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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:12,173 --> 00:01:14,541 Controversial rapper and actor Tupac Shakur 2 00:01:14,542 --> 00:01:16,309 has died in a Las Vegas hospital. 3 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,645 Rap star Biggie Smalls, The Notorious B.I.G., 4 00:01:18,646 --> 00:01:21,348 was shot today by a drive-by gunman. 5 00:01:21,349 --> 00:01:23,216 Someone had had enough of seeing this and 6 00:01:23,217 --> 00:01:26,619 there was an anonymous letter sent to law enforcement 7 00:01:26,620 --> 00:01:29,722 saying these guys are living like drug dealers. 8 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:33,092 Y'all can't wait til he's just gone for good 9 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:37,130 so they can fully breathe a sigh of relief. 10 00:01:37,131 --> 00:01:38,631 He's dead. 11 00:01:38,632 --> 00:01:40,667 That person's dead. 12 00:01:40,668 --> 00:01:43,470 And everybody feels comfortable with the fact of that. 13 00:01:43,471 --> 00:01:46,973 When I say everybody, I mean whoever set it up. 14 00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:49,041 They're not going to rest until Suge Knight 15 00:01:49,042 --> 00:01:50,611 is dead or in jail. 16 00:01:52,045 --> 00:01:54,581 It was a set-up. 17 00:03:24,305 --> 00:03:25,372 Could you please state 18 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:28,608 your full name for the record? 19 00:03:28,609 --> 00:03:29,477 Yes. 20 00:03:29,478 --> 00:03:31,544 Tupac Amaru Shakur. 21 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:45,325 I started off with poetry, writing poetry. 22 00:03:45,326 --> 00:03:46,793 But. 23 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:47,927 Like, junior high, high school? 24 00:03:47,928 --> 00:03:49,896 Yes, junior high, high school. 25 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:51,398 And... 26 00:03:51,399 --> 00:03:53,199 Poets, I saw, 27 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,669 were like looked on as like wimps. 28 00:03:56,670 --> 00:04:00,139 So I did that personally, but then I started turning 29 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:01,909 the poetry into songs. 30 00:04:03,377 --> 00:04:06,446 From the moment that I met Tupac, 31 00:04:06,447 --> 00:04:07,881 at the age of 17, 32 00:04:09,317 --> 00:04:13,487 he was one of the most startling individuals I've ever met. 33 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:17,525 He was, and still is, 34 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:24,998 just one of the most amazing voices. 35 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,302 I loved Pac instantly. 36 00:04:29,303 --> 00:04:31,304 It's how you're raised. 37 00:04:31,305 --> 00:04:33,373 We weren't raised barricaded, 38 00:04:33,374 --> 00:04:37,545 although the FBI was always lurking around and all of that, 39 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,281 but you still went about your business. 40 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,617 The kids still played outside. 41 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:47,654 When they came upstairs, they came upstairs and ate dinner. 42 00:04:47,655 --> 00:04:51,090 The only lock on the door was your police bar in New York 43 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:53,259 and your little lock but you weren't 44 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:55,495 standing at the window with guns. 45 00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:57,397 That's not what his life was. 46 00:04:57,398 --> 00:04:59,732 It may have been others, but it wasn't his. 47 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:02,502 He became like my little brother, actually. 48 00:05:02,503 --> 00:05:05,037 I work with many different artists, 49 00:05:05,038 --> 00:05:09,342 but he's the guy who invites you to your home, you know, 50 00:05:09,343 --> 00:05:11,845 who you talk to late at night. 51 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:16,315 He was just very easy to know, for me. 52 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:20,753 I kind of feel like he was that way with many more people 53 00:05:20,754 --> 00:05:24,123 which is why he's so missed, because when people met him, 54 00:05:24,124 --> 00:05:27,560 they really got a chance to get a piece of him. 55 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:29,762 Months and months, I kept talking about needing 56 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:32,433 a young artist that had a voice, 57 00:05:33,601 --> 00:05:37,069 that could translate and cross all boundaries. 58 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:40,339 Tupac was one of those guys who said what was on his mind. 59 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:41,774 Plenty of days and nights, 60 00:05:41,775 --> 00:05:44,143 the brother, he kept a smile on us, we kept joking. 61 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:46,278 He was one of those guys that had a personality that 62 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,814 he wasn't always serious, you know. 63 00:05:47,815 --> 00:05:50,316 Man, he could be going through the worst things in court 64 00:05:50,317 --> 00:05:52,685 and things like that, facing the worst things in his world 65 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,854 but he always kept a smile on his face, he always, 66 00:05:54,855 --> 00:05:56,389 you know, he always kept us laughing. 67 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:59,191 It is of my opinion that I was rapping 68 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:02,228 while I was writing poetry. Okay. 69 00:06:02,229 --> 00:06:05,832 So, I was into rap, I guess you could say, 70 00:06:05,833 --> 00:06:08,100 from junior high when I wrote my first poem. 71 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:13,005 I fought a lot of people around me because Pac, 72 00:06:13,006 --> 00:06:17,177 when he was so young, he was already a contradiction 73 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:21,714 in so many ways, externally and internally, 74 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:23,850 and he lived out loud. 75 00:06:23,851 --> 00:06:25,652 So, nothing surprised me. 76 00:06:25,653 --> 00:06:27,319 He was so in your face. 77 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,921 Pac really down-to-earth. 78 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:30,289 He was a good dude. 79 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:31,758 He had good intentions, you know what I mean? 80 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,093 It's just that, unfortunately, sometimes in the streets, 81 00:06:34,094 --> 00:06:36,896 it can mislead us and have us going the wrong way, you know? 82 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:40,467 A lot of people nowadays like to say Tupac was loyal, 83 00:06:40,468 --> 00:06:44,170 but Tupac was really only loyal to Tupac. 84 00:06:44,171 --> 00:06:46,774 He was loyal to what he wanted. 85 00:06:48,308 --> 00:06:53,045 What my and Pac's friendship and love was about, 86 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:55,214 was about making shit happen. 87 00:06:55,215 --> 00:06:58,317 If you could ride with that, he was fine with it. 88 00:06:58,318 --> 00:07:00,152 But, if it was something you couldn't ride with, 89 00:07:00,153 --> 00:07:03,422 he would move on or if you did something he didn't like 90 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,725 or if you didn't give him the attention that he 91 00:07:05,726 --> 00:07:08,160 thought he needed at that particular time, 92 00:07:08,161 --> 00:07:09,862 he was done with you. 93 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:11,564 He might just be done with you for the night, 94 00:07:11,565 --> 00:07:13,733 but he was done with you, at least for that night 95 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:16,869 and then he may reconsider the next morning and 96 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:17,870 you guys would be fine. 97 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:20,373 But that's just how Tupac was. 98 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,644 And after I heard on the radio that there were 99 00:07:24,645 --> 00:07:28,615 other poets who made records and they were selling 100 00:07:28,616 --> 00:07:29,882 and they was working, 101 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:33,987 then I decided to change the method of my poetry. 102 00:07:57,244 --> 00:07:59,746 He had Los Angeles police officers 103 00:07:59,747 --> 00:08:01,313 working within the organization, 104 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:03,850 Compton police officers working inside the organization. 105 00:08:03,851 --> 00:08:08,020 Their badges stopped us from getting to the truth. 106 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:10,489 No one is above the law. 107 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:14,994 This is a fundamental principle in our society 108 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:16,395 and when it is violated, 109 00:08:16,396 --> 00:08:18,731 it's the job of the Department of Justice to step in 110 00:08:18,732 --> 00:08:20,800 and hold individuals accountable. 111 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:22,669 The 51-year-old deputy chief is now 112 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:25,471 facing federal charges of selling drugs, 113 00:08:25,472 --> 00:08:26,939 three drugs in particular: 114 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:29,942 Oxycodone, heroin and marijuana. 115 00:08:29,943 --> 00:08:31,678 In a three year investigation, 116 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:33,846 the San Francisco police officers have been indicted. 117 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:37,650 All the officers were put on administrative assignment, 118 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:39,051 taken off of any street. 119 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:40,587 Certain officers, 120 00:08:40,588 --> 00:08:43,222 because of the seriousness of the allegation, were disarmed. 121 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,057 And unfortunately, in this particular case, 122 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:48,728 we had to take three police officers who were sworn 123 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:51,698 to uphold public safety off the street. 124 00:08:51,699 --> 00:08:53,265 You know, from my point of view, 125 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:56,368 I'm battling the Mexican cartels in Chicago, 126 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:57,904 now I gotta worry about this. 127 00:08:57,905 --> 00:09:02,408 Now I gotta worry about this, now I gotta worry about this. 128 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:14,387 Turn it off. 129 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:17,625 Turn it off. 130 00:09:29,703 --> 00:09:32,071 I just enjoyed the fringe benefits 131 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:35,041 that came with the credential. 132 00:09:35,042 --> 00:09:37,310 Night life, the party life, 133 00:09:38,545 --> 00:09:40,613 the rubbing elbows with the powerful 134 00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:42,616 in Juarez and Chihuahua. 135 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:56,196 When I was with the Feds, there was this one guy. 136 00:09:58,365 --> 00:10:02,234 This happened after the Pablo Acosta incident. 137 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:04,403 We were doing a job. 138 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,872 One of the other agents had a case 139 00:10:05,873 --> 00:10:09,375 and we were called in to help him. 140 00:10:09,376 --> 00:10:12,378 We went into his house, a real nice house. 141 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:16,015 I turn around, there's a bag, a paper bag, a grocery bag. 142 00:10:16,016 --> 00:10:19,485 I look into it and there were piles of money and 143 00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:21,253 inside the sealed bag there was 144 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:24,156 many bags of ounces of cocaine. 145 00:10:24,157 --> 00:10:27,093 If I would have been smart I would have kept it. 146 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:29,195 But that wasn't my, you know, 147 00:10:29,196 --> 00:10:32,064 that wasn't my thing, it was share alike. 148 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:33,666 So I gave that money to 149 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:35,968 the person in charge of that job. 150 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:39,038 And some other agents were San-Ra-ck-ing, taking everything. 151 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,173 They were stealing everything. 152 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:45,344 And the person I gave the money to stole the money. 153 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:46,645 He never reported it. 154 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:48,815 So I came back home that night. 155 00:10:48,816 --> 00:10:50,683 I get a knock. 156 00:10:50,684 --> 00:10:52,752 And I walk out and it was two 157 00:10:52,753 --> 00:10:54,954 of the commandant's right hands. 158 00:10:54,955 --> 00:10:57,023 Commander found out about the money, 159 00:10:57,024 --> 00:10:59,191 and they turned around and blamed me for it. 160 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:00,693 I was tortured. 161 00:11:00,694 --> 00:11:05,397 The same thing we did to the criminals was done to me. 162 00:11:05,398 --> 00:11:08,134 And the one pointing the finger blaming me 163 00:11:08,135 --> 00:11:12,305 was the same guy that was taking everything from the house. 164 00:11:15,175 --> 00:11:18,077 As I was, the first time as they were. 165 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:21,480 They bounded, they tied my hands, my face. 166 00:11:21,481 --> 00:11:23,783 Gave me water shocks. 167 00:11:23,784 --> 00:11:25,284 When they started beating me up, 168 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:28,054 the commander was accusing me of being a DEA agent, 169 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:29,321 working in Mexico. 170 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:30,990 That was the only time I had that problem. 171 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:33,393 This was a commander talking. 172 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:36,195 The first night I went in there, 173 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:37,864 they asked me, where's the money. 174 00:11:37,865 --> 00:11:40,166 I gave the money to him. 175 00:11:40,167 --> 00:11:43,635 The guy I gave the money said, no, no you didn't. 176 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:46,739 And since he was the commander's right hand, 177 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:49,641 you know, he believed him more than me. 178 00:11:49,642 --> 00:11:52,812 So they took me into his office. 179 00:11:52,813 --> 00:11:55,247 They handcuffed my hands. 180 00:11:55,248 --> 00:11:57,884 They tied my legs, they put me on the ground. 181 00:11:57,885 --> 00:12:00,519 They shoved a rag up my mouth. 182 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,390 They put a handkerchief on my face. 183 00:12:04,958 --> 00:12:07,126 And gave me the water treatment. 184 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:10,063 Mineral water with a pepper powder. 185 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:16,869 My father gave 20 some thousand dollars to them. 186 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:19,806 They called me, they pulled me out of the cell. 187 00:12:19,807 --> 00:12:21,673 And they took me into an office, 188 00:12:21,674 --> 00:12:23,542 and the commander turned around, 189 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:25,277 and he cursed at me for a while, 190 00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:26,813 and he turned around and told my father, 191 00:12:26,814 --> 00:12:29,081 you know, I tortured him. 192 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,850 Ain't shit he can do about it. 193 00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:33,052 I was pretty messed up. 194 00:12:33,053 --> 00:12:35,387 It was after 30 days my face was swollen, 195 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:37,023 my body was hurting. 196 00:12:37,024 --> 00:12:40,359 I had a beard, my hair was all messed up. 197 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,394 I remember crossing the bridge and the guy at the 198 00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:44,897 port of entry just looked at me, and said, are you okay? 199 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:46,232 No, what's wrong with you? 200 00:12:46,233 --> 00:12:48,234 Nothing, kept walking. 201 00:12:54,908 --> 00:12:57,977 In the mid 1980s, the cocaine trade 202 00:12:57,978 --> 00:13:00,612 had sort of shifted from Miami, 203 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:04,016 because a lot of the law enforcement there, to Los Angeles. 204 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:07,319 As the volume of cocaine cases, and frankly, 205 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,556 the volume of cocaine per case started to grow and grow, 206 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:12,724 the sheriff's department selected some of 207 00:13:12,725 --> 00:13:14,961 their best narcotics officers to be 208 00:13:14,962 --> 00:13:16,628 what they called their majors crews, 209 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:19,265 to go after the big, significant, 210 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:21,934 large-scale narcotics distributors. 211 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:26,106 The majors units at the LA Sheriff's Department were 212 00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:32,544 Majors-I, Majors-II, Majors-III, and Majors-IV. 213 00:13:32,545 --> 00:13:36,715 Operation Big Spender was an epic announcement 214 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:41,153 to discover and ferret out and punish corruption 215 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:43,389 by elite law enforcement officers. 216 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,425 It started because some of these sheriff's deputies 217 00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:49,695 who are putting their lives on the line every day, 218 00:13:49,696 --> 00:13:52,731 as they would seize money, they at some point came up 219 00:13:52,732 --> 00:13:54,867 with the idea of taking a little bit of the money 220 00:13:54,868 --> 00:13:57,870 to try to get better equipment to help them do their jobs. 221 00:13:57,871 --> 00:14:00,339 Over time it morphed into, 222 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,909 maybe people were going to lunch that day from the unit, 223 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:05,377 so they would take some of the money from the kitty, 224 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:08,014 as they called it, and they'd use it for lunch. 225 00:14:08,015 --> 00:14:10,316 And then a little later on it might be the weekend, 226 00:14:10,317 --> 00:14:12,418 and they were all going out, and it's like, 227 00:14:12,419 --> 00:14:13,986 hey, let's take a little money 228 00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:15,721 from the kitty for when we go out. 229 00:14:15,722 --> 00:14:16,956 Here's a good example. 230 00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:19,225 The time we took the Iranians down, 231 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:21,227 and we have a million dollars in cash 232 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:23,762 in fives, tens, and twenties, 233 00:14:23,763 --> 00:14:25,364 spread through all of our desks. 234 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:26,966 They wouldn't let us use the money counter, 235 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:28,968 so we had to do it by hand. 236 00:14:28,969 --> 00:14:32,071 We ordered pizza, and so we're all digging in our pockets, 237 00:14:32,072 --> 00:14:35,141 trying to come up with enough to pay the pizza guy, 238 00:14:35,142 --> 00:14:37,910 and he's looking at us like we're crazy, 239 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,312 because here's a million dollars 240 00:14:40,313 --> 00:14:42,581 spread out all over these tables. 241 00:14:42,582 --> 00:14:45,517 And then before you know it, as time progresses on, 242 00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:47,886 and certainly by the time of the majors teams, 243 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:49,388 forget the kitty. 244 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:51,557 When we seize money, let's just take some. 245 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:54,995 The predication came from drug dealers. 246 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:59,999 Later on we find out that not only had they 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,134 been planting drugs on my guys, 248 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:03,369 but they had been planting drugs 249 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:05,537 and lying on the witness stand, 250 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:08,874 and fabricating search warrants 251 00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:10,142 for a lot of other people. 252 00:15:10,143 --> 00:15:12,079 Too many drug dealers 253 00:15:13,846 --> 00:15:16,849 came forward and spoke to officials, 254 00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:20,187 and created a buzz 255 00:15:21,388 --> 00:15:25,225 where similar, if not identical, scenarios of, 256 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,597 hey, I don't, it's all the same to me, but just so you know, 257 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:34,667 they reported $50,000 seized from me, 258 00:15:36,203 --> 00:15:38,504 I had $100,000 in cash. 259 00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:42,674 Basically they put away the gang thing, 260 00:15:42,675 --> 00:15:46,079 and became people that had organizations, 261 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:51,017 and like Whitey's World, the Way Out World, 262 00:15:51,018 --> 00:15:53,885 the World on Wheels, Cobra Enterprises. 263 00:15:53,886 --> 00:15:57,789 These were all African-American gang members that had 264 00:15:57,790 --> 00:16:01,460 narcotic organizations that made millions of dollars. 265 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:03,395 Bunch of my guys had been getting 266 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:05,564 drugs planted on them when they didn't have no drugs, 267 00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:09,935 when they wasn't selling drugs, and I wanted to find out 268 00:16:09,936 --> 00:16:11,970 who these cops were that was doing this. 269 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:15,375 Ricky Ross was a legendary drug dealer, 270 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:18,410 but so were a lot of people in LA. 271 00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:19,878 They was taking the drugs 272 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,548 from one person, planting 'em on another person, 273 00:16:22,549 --> 00:16:24,416 and selling 'em to this person, and just, 274 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,418 you know, just a criminal enterprise. 275 00:16:26,419 --> 00:16:30,956 Sometimes it happened invisibly to the drug dealer, 276 00:16:30,957 --> 00:16:33,625 but sometimes it happened right out in the open, 277 00:16:33,626 --> 00:16:37,129 where a seeming confidence had developed 278 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:41,067 among the detectives, nobody's gonna believe this person. 279 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:43,569 At some point in, I think, 1988, 280 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:45,604 someone had had enough of seeing this 281 00:16:45,605 --> 00:16:47,239 and there was an anonymous letter 282 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,742 sent to law enforcement saying 283 00:16:50,910 --> 00:16:52,744 these guys are living like drug dealers. 284 00:16:52,745 --> 00:16:53,945 You need to check 'em out. 285 00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:55,547 They're spending money like drug dealers, 286 00:16:55,548 --> 00:16:57,416 they have money like drug dealers. 287 00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:59,585 And they're living the life of drug dealers. 288 00:16:59,586 --> 00:17:02,921 That led to a lengthy and exhaustive investigation 289 00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:06,125 culminating in a sting, where they actually had 290 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:08,827 a wired-up, videoed-up hotel room 291 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:12,899 with plant, alleged drug money in, I think, 1989. 292 00:17:14,267 --> 00:17:18,437 And they actually caught members of the Majors-II 293 00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:20,940 sheriff's unit stealing money. 294 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:26,178 Thieves doing the thieving, live before your eyes. 295 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,347 Yeah, taken a 20 and nobody'd have ever known, 296 00:17:28,348 --> 00:17:31,850 but it was something that, you know, 297 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:35,854 in me, that I would've never been able to sleep. 298 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:37,189 I would have been waiting for them 299 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:39,358 to come and knock on my door and take me away 300 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,530 for taking $20 from a dirtbag dope dealer with a million. 301 00:17:44,697 --> 00:17:47,533 The sergeant on that crew, a guy named Robert 302 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:51,703 or Bob Sobel, wound up flipping, or cooperating, 303 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,872 and then he testified in the first trial. 304 00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:56,175 And because of the information he gave, 305 00:17:56,176 --> 00:17:59,378 and later, others, the investigation spread 306 00:17:59,379 --> 00:18:02,114 to the other major narcotics crews. 307 00:18:02,115 --> 00:18:04,950 You didn't have to do very much persuasion 308 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:08,854 that there was something rotten here, 309 00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:10,956 because you can see it. 310 00:18:10,957 --> 00:18:13,325 As well as study financial records. 311 00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,728 You could see thievery occur. 312 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:30,376 On the one hand, you have Operation Big Spender, 313 00:18:30,377 --> 00:18:32,844 and the Los Angeles County Sheriffs being prosecuted, 314 00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:34,112 and on the other side of the fence 315 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:35,547 you have the city of Compton. 316 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:37,183 Of course it's not uncommon, 317 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:39,718 you can take any large city or medium city 318 00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:42,621 or relatively small city, like Compton, 319 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:44,856 with a population of approximately 100,000, 320 00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:46,458 and you're gonna be able to identify 321 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:49,127 in its historical record there was corruption. 322 00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:51,198 There are no lines that 323 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:55,801 people with power in Compton 324 00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:58,737 were unwilling to cross to defend their power. 325 00:18:58,738 --> 00:19:02,374 No legal lines, no moral lines, no ethical lines. 326 00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:04,543 I just found that it was the wild west. 327 00:19:04,544 --> 00:19:06,144 Virtually every town 328 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:09,748 that has 19th century origins in southern California 329 00:19:09,749 --> 00:19:12,584 started out as small agricultural colonies. 330 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:15,687 But Compton was unique in that it was early on 331 00:19:15,688 --> 00:19:17,923 the settlers decided to incorporate. 332 00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,626 Los Angeles at the turn of the century is an emerging city. 333 00:19:20,627 --> 00:19:23,094 It's still not even in the top 100 cities 334 00:19:23,095 --> 00:19:25,364 in the United States in terms of population, 335 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:27,165 but it's on the make. 336 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,935 And just south of Compton is Long Beach. 337 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:34,005 These families have been here 40, 50, 60 years. 338 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:37,142 And so everyone knows everyone. 339 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:39,878 You know, if you got caught breaking into somebody's house, 340 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:43,615 in the neighborhood, you got a problem. 341 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:46,685 If you stole from somebody in the neighborhood, 342 00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,086 you got a problem. 343 00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:50,389 And if you were from outside of the neighborhood 344 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:53,825 they gonna check you out and tell you leave here. 345 00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:56,061 So for African-Americans coming from 346 00:19:56,062 --> 00:19:57,696 South Central Los Angeles, 347 00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:00,999 which was increasingly congested and deteriorated housing, 348 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,669 for those middle class African-Americans, 349 00:20:03,670 --> 00:20:06,438 they viewed Compton as nirvana, 350 00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:09,641 and whites are moving en masse so quickly, 351 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:12,778 I refer to it rather than white flight as white exodus. 352 00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:16,949 By 1970 Compton is an African-American majority community, 353 00:20:18,585 --> 00:20:21,186 and by the early 70s the first community 354 00:20:21,187 --> 00:20:25,190 this side of the Mississippi River entirely run 355 00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:29,861 politically and administratively by African-Americans. 356 00:20:29,862 --> 00:20:33,299 So that's not a neighborhood that we're gonna go into. 357 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,635 Be it Crip or Piru, that if they see my face 358 00:20:36,636 --> 00:20:39,305 they're not gonna stop and say, Omar, Omar. 359 00:20:39,306 --> 00:20:43,442 Compton, through the 70s and 80s and 90s 360 00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:47,779 enters a really trying, challenging, difficult era. 361 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:49,948 You had whites move out, 362 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:52,718 and they took their businesses with them. 363 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:56,221 So the tax base, with all of the banks gone, 364 00:20:56,222 --> 00:20:59,725 in fact, downtown Compton is bulldozed. 365 00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:02,160 As that happens, the infrastructure 366 00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,695 of the city begins to decline. 367 00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:07,132 Now these rough streets are because I'm no longer mayor. 368 00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:11,203 Now, you introduce a cheap drug, crack cocaine. 369 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:17,075 That, with a rudimentary gang structure, 370 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,044 that if it expands and becomes 371 00:21:19,045 --> 00:21:21,179 business-oriented in an underground economy, 372 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:22,848 can make a hell of a lot of money. 373 00:21:22,849 --> 00:21:24,583 I was captain of the fucking football team, 374 00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,186 A/B student, magnet. 375 00:21:28,321 --> 00:21:31,222 I should, I'm, we out there gettin' it. 376 00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:32,958 Fuck with this nigga. 377 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,494 Call my brothers so, we'd have a super long ring, 378 00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:37,329 it's ridiculous. 379 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:39,631 I ain't have no problem. 380 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:43,168 450 I sell, niggas in the 10th grade. 381 00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:45,471 And for kids that can't find jobs otherwise, 382 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:47,072 and schools that are deteriorating, 383 00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:48,874 they're having trouble staying in school. 384 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:52,143 You can make quick money, a lot of money 385 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:56,482 if you do the selling of drugs connected to gangs. 386 00:21:56,483 --> 00:21:58,650 I sold drugs 'cause I was running from poverty. 387 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,185 I didn't like being poor and broke, you know. 388 00:22:00,186 --> 00:22:02,688 I didn't like not having food in the refrigerator. 389 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:04,856 I didn't like for the light man 390 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:09,194 to be talking about cutting my mom's lights off. 391 00:22:09,195 --> 00:22:12,564 Suge Knight was a very powerful individual. 392 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:14,666 He had connections with the Compton mayor, 393 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:18,303 and he had access to just about the entire Blood gang. 394 00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:19,438 Death Row Records. 395 00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:20,606 Death Row Records. Death Row. 396 00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:21,973 Death Row. Death Row Records. 397 00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:23,274 Death Row. Death Row. 398 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:24,510 Death Row Records. 399 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,011 This is Michael Harris. 400 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:29,781 A man drug agents describe as a major cocaine trafficker. 401 00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:32,117 Yeah, I knew Michael Harris. 402 00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:35,220 Yeah, he was trying to put together his wife's album, 403 00:22:35,221 --> 00:22:38,457 and uh, matter of fact we was cellies at the time. 404 00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:42,461 Harris, identifying himself as original organizer 405 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:46,398 and owner, names him as an equal partner in Death Row. 406 00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:47,666 I told him that he should have 407 00:22:47,667 --> 00:22:51,102 Dr. Dre produce a song for him. 408 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:52,438 And that's how his thing with 409 00:22:52,439 --> 00:22:55,140 the Suge and the Dre and all started transpiring. 410 00:22:55,141 --> 00:22:56,809 I met Suge in a MDC. 411 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,345 Harris' complaint also names 412 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,981 criminal defense attorney David Kenner 413 00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:05,951 as the company general counsel and organizer. 414 00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:07,786 Harry-O and a couple other guys in there 415 00:23:07,787 --> 00:23:09,455 that was running for David Kenner. 416 00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,922 You know, that was their game. 417 00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,124 You hire David Kenner then they get a kickback. 418 00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:15,060 I was there when he first told Kenner 419 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,662 about the music business as well. 420 00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,930 Harry-O told David Kenner that he would, 421 00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:21,567 he would make him more money in the music business 422 00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:23,903 than he ever made doing law. 423 00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:28,707 What's up, boy? 424 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:29,676 No work. 425 00:23:29,677 --> 00:23:30,909 What's goin' on, homie? 426 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:31,778 All right, what's up, Omar? 427 00:23:31,779 --> 00:23:33,278 Doing a documentary. 428 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:36,615 Corruption exacerbated things. 429 00:23:36,616 --> 00:23:40,519 As prominent political figures were identified, 430 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,021 often with a federal investigation 431 00:23:43,022 --> 00:23:45,090 of corruption on a variety of charges. 432 00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:46,892 They had some high-ranking people, 433 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,661 like US Representative Tucker, 434 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,830 taking some bribes from a company, 435 00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:53,465 thinking it was a rubbish company, 436 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:55,567 or reclaim, reclamation company 437 00:23:55,568 --> 00:24:00,005 that was coming into Compton and given favored status, and. 438 00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:02,574 And the FBI investigated. 439 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,410 And then over a course of time, found guilty. 440 00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:07,879 Did City Council meet in August? 441 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,880 No. 442 00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:10,115 And yet our producer 443 00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:12,918 found that you were being paid in August. 444 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:13,786 Probably so. 445 00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:15,186 Why so? 446 00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:16,722 Tradition. 447 00:24:16,723 --> 00:24:19,357 I was, I mean, just to be honest, I was really naive. 448 00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:22,928 I have worked in politics at a lot of different levels. 449 00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:25,631 I have worked in the White House. 450 00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:28,600 I've worked on five Presidential campaigns. 451 00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:30,636 I'd been a deputy mayor. 452 00:24:30,637 --> 00:24:33,404 I'd been on state board of education. 453 00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:36,207 I worked on a number of mayoral campaigns 454 00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:37,509 and gubernatorial campaigns. 455 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:40,846 I had never, never encountered politics 456 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:42,914 like I encountered in Compton. 457 00:24:42,915 --> 00:24:45,150 Ben Austin worked in the White House, 458 00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,185 so he's seen politics of all kinds. 459 00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:48,654 They've gotta be pretty bad. 460 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,122 Our research shows in 2012 461 00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:55,060 that City Council members earn $39,000 each 462 00:24:55,061 --> 00:24:57,629 for serving on four commissions, 463 00:24:57,630 --> 00:25:00,899 which met for a total of 26 hours. 464 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,102 That shakes out to $1500 per hour. 465 00:25:04,103 --> 00:25:05,637 Compton was just the wild west, 466 00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:08,173 and there were simply no rules. 467 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,742 There were no lines 468 00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,611 that people with power 469 00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:16,014 in Compton were unwilling to cross to defend their power. 470 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:19,484 No legal lines, no moral lines, no ethical lines. 471 00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:21,987 I just found that it was the wild west. 472 00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:24,189 What commissions are you on? 473 00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,692 Um, all of them. 474 00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,994 Do you have a favorite? 475 00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:30,829 A favorite? No. 476 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:32,363 Well, which one... 477 00:25:32,364 --> 00:25:35,200 I'm just serving on the ones that's on the books. 478 00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:37,036 So that's, well, CRAA. 479 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,441 Public finance. 480 00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:46,945 You caught me by... 481 00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:48,714 At nearby Huntington Park, 482 00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:51,917 council members make less than $15,000 a year. 483 00:25:51,918 --> 00:25:54,185 Ditto over in Maywood, the politicians there 484 00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:59,190 make about $6700 a year, and in affluent Huntington Beach, 485 00:25:59,191 --> 00:26:01,760 council members earn about $16,000. 486 00:26:01,761 --> 00:26:03,662 And the rules of engagement. 487 00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:06,064 The normal rules of engagement do not apply. 488 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,666 Do they do anything? 489 00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:10,135 Well, they listen to the audience comments. 490 00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:12,738 And then they may comment on that. 491 00:26:12,739 --> 00:26:14,673 And then they decide something? 492 00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,342 There's nothing to decide. 493 00:26:17,343 --> 00:26:18,944 So, the people that came into power 494 00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:22,447 hired their cousins, and their uncles, and others 495 00:26:22,448 --> 00:26:24,883 into the jobs, especially in the school district, right, 496 00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:29,520 which was the largest employer for city residents. 497 00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:32,824 But in 1993, the state does something unprecedented. 498 00:26:32,825 --> 00:26:35,193 It takes over the Compton school district. 499 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,028 State had never done that before. 500 00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:38,396 School board president announced 501 00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:41,000 during a debate about this that 502 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:45,136 we just need to accept that all children 503 00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:46,404 are not going to succeed. 504 00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:49,174 All kids are not going to make it. 505 00:26:49,175 --> 00:26:51,009 That's just the opening salvo. 506 00:26:51,010 --> 00:26:54,412 That was their basic premise from which they were operating. 507 00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:56,181 And everything else flows from there. 508 00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,316 And the board. 509 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,886 Sometimes we don't even know what's going on. 510 00:27:00,887 --> 00:27:04,355 I mean it, the words that were spoken in Compton. 511 00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:05,991 I gave you your five minutes, 512 00:27:05,992 --> 00:27:07,392 there will be no more speaking. 513 00:27:07,393 --> 00:27:10,028 And the actions that were taken were 514 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,630 in my mind, in an alternate universe. 515 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,901 And like I said, I had come there having worked 516 00:27:15,902 --> 00:27:18,236 in the White House and on five Presidential campaigns. 517 00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:21,006 All kids are not going to make it. 518 00:27:21,007 --> 00:27:24,142 And I had never seen anything like this. 519 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:25,877 Adult issues are important. 520 00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:28,714 So you have, in that period of the late 80s 521 00:27:28,715 --> 00:27:33,084 through the late 90s, this mountain of scandals. 522 00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:35,653 In the school district, and in City Hall, 523 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,889 in the representatives there, 524 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:39,825 the two are to Congress from the city. 525 00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:43,094 I was at an education conference in San Diego. 526 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:45,197 And I saw across the hall 527 00:27:46,632 --> 00:27:48,700 a former Superintendent of Compton. 528 00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:50,068 He just happened to be there. 529 00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:51,602 I remember it like it was yesterday. 530 00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:54,339 He turns to me, and he says, you're a crazy motherfucker. 531 00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:56,107 And I said, well, what do you mean? 532 00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:59,277 And he said, well, when I was Superintendent of Compton, 533 00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:01,713 the mayor called me one day and said 534 00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,715 that I needed to sell a parcel of land 535 00:28:03,716 --> 00:28:06,151 to a developer friend of his. 536 00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,586 And, and he said. 537 00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:11,622 You know, that he refused. 538 00:28:11,623 --> 00:28:12,858 That he wasn't gonna do it. 539 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:16,862 So soon after that a school caught on fire. 540 00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:19,766 And a couple of days, a week later, 541 00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,633 another school catches on fire. 542 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:24,435 And then it happens again. 543 00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:27,106 And so he called the fire chief. 544 00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:30,909 Or the police chief, I don't remember which. 545 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,011 And he said, when is this gonna stop? 546 00:28:33,012 --> 00:28:35,080 What's going on here, we got a huge problem. 547 00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:37,682 And he said, the fires will stop 548 00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:40,318 when the mayor says the fires will stop. 549 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,453 They were essentially doing this eyes wide open. 550 00:28:42,454 --> 00:28:44,155 They had done a report on themselves, 551 00:28:44,156 --> 00:28:48,193 they learned that the schools were not performing well 552 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:51,429 because of affirmative decisions they were making, 553 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:53,198 and didn't make any changes. 554 00:28:53,199 --> 00:28:55,666 And that was, for me, a real poster child 555 00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:59,470 for an educational system that is fundamentally designed 556 00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:01,973 to serve the needs of adults, not the needs of children. 557 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:04,375 Adult issues are important. 558 00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:06,845 Kids in McKinley are 50 times more likely 559 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,147 to drop out of school than to go to college. 560 00:29:09,148 --> 00:29:10,548 I mean, that's a huge concern, 561 00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:11,983 and especially for these parents 562 00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:13,484 that want their kids to succeed like any parent does. 563 00:29:13,485 --> 00:29:15,020 And so, the first thing, 564 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:16,888 they want to get their kids out of this school district. 565 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:19,925 I founded an organization called Parent Revolution. 566 00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:23,761 And we invented a new law called the Parent Trigger Law, 567 00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:27,365 the law says that if half the parents at a failing school 568 00:29:27,366 --> 00:29:30,235 sign a petition, they can bring in new staff, 569 00:29:30,236 --> 00:29:32,037 they can bring in new leadership, 570 00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:34,672 they can convert their school to a charter school. 571 00:29:34,673 --> 00:29:37,308 Or they can use the law as leverage to bargain. 572 00:29:37,309 --> 00:29:40,879 But it wasn't until we turned the petitions in 573 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,783 on December 7th that the blowback really began. 574 00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,888 They mapped the networks of the school 575 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:52,657 and figured out the children of 576 00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:55,293 the parents who signed the petition. 577 00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:58,029 And for the children of the parents who signed the petition, 578 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:01,100 and these are elementary school kids. 579 00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:05,336 They wouldn't let the children, when they were at school, 580 00:30:05,337 --> 00:30:07,772 they wouldn't let them go to the bathroom. 581 00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:12,010 And they forced the children to pee in their pants. 582 00:30:12,011 --> 00:30:16,314 And when they did, they were sent to the nurse's office. 583 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:18,316 And the nurse was in charge of the recissions. 584 00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:20,685 And so the nurse would call in the mom 585 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:22,820 to bring clean underwear in, 586 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:27,392 and as the mom was changing their child's underwear, 587 00:30:27,393 --> 00:30:32,063 the nurse would ask her to sign a recission petition. 588 00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:34,132 And I just wanna make this statement. 589 00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:36,868 When Omar had the city with a surplus. 590 00:30:36,869 --> 00:30:39,104 Had the murder rate dropped from 100 a year 591 00:30:39,105 --> 00:30:41,072 down to 20 by bringing in the sheriff 592 00:30:41,073 --> 00:30:44,409 and getting rid of the corrupt Compton PD. 593 00:30:55,888 --> 00:30:57,956 And now we see that the corruption 594 00:30:57,957 --> 00:30:59,790 that's passed from the city government 595 00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:02,227 and the corruption that's infected the schools is now 596 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:06,664 passing its way down to the Compton Police Department. 597 00:31:06,665 --> 00:31:09,567 But you have to ask yourself this question. 598 00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:12,637 The entire Compton Police Department was disbanded. 599 00:31:12,638 --> 00:31:15,907 What does it take to disband an entire police department? 600 00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:18,509 In order to disband an entire police department, 601 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,745 things have to be so bad and so corrupt 602 00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:23,214 that there's no other alternative. 603 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:26,551 You know, such as maybe bringing in a new police chief. 604 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:29,154 New police administration, or something of that nature. 605 00:31:29,155 --> 00:31:31,356 They envied Compton streets 606 00:31:31,357 --> 00:31:32,723 when I was mayor. 607 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,293 I used to get on the radio and laugh at 'em. 608 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,328 'Cause they couldn't figure out my formula. 609 00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,330 It has happened on occasion where 610 00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:42,200 the entire municipality has been dissolved. 611 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,235 The bottom line is things have to be 612 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,337 pretty bad before that happens. 613 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:48,739 I had personal interaction with them 614 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,078 working the gang detail from '84 to '90. 615 00:31:53,645 --> 00:31:56,647 We didn't share a lot of information with them 616 00:31:56,648 --> 00:31:59,517 because of the, the city government was known 617 00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,687 to be corrupt and the police department had a 618 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:06,291 stigma of not being on the up and up. 619 00:32:06,292 --> 00:32:09,094 It was like shoveling sand against the tide. 620 00:32:09,095 --> 00:32:10,561 You'd hear over and over again 621 00:32:10,562 --> 00:32:12,897 that the Compton cops were on the payrolls of the gangs. 622 00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,566 Initially when the word that cops 623 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:17,402 were working for Suge was out was that 624 00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:19,370 basically they were providing intelligence. 625 00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:21,506 But he, also when cops, you know, 626 00:32:21,507 --> 00:32:23,074 when there'd be a clear street 627 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,642 and there wouldn't be any cops around. 628 00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:25,876 Now one of the things that the 629 00:32:25,877 --> 00:32:27,778 former mayor of Compton, Omar Bradley told us 630 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:29,680 was that there actually wasn't a difference 631 00:32:29,681 --> 00:32:31,949 between Death Row Records and the city of Compton. 632 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,918 They've always been the same entity. 633 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,420 That's what you don't get. 634 00:32:35,421 --> 00:32:39,390 The city attorney's nephew, or cousin, is Snoop Dogg. 635 00:32:39,391 --> 00:32:42,260 The city manager's son is A and R. 636 00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:44,062 The head of homicide's son 637 00:32:44,063 --> 00:32:46,397 is vice-president, head of security. 638 00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:50,235 The other chief of police that I bring in to replace Hourie, 639 00:32:50,236 --> 00:32:52,637 his daughter got a million dollar contract with them. 640 00:32:52,638 --> 00:32:55,640 They reached out to the Los Angeles County Sheriffs 641 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:57,208 to see if the sheriffs would be 642 00:32:57,209 --> 00:33:00,578 interested in policing Compton. 643 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,614 In police work, in law enforcement, 644 00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:07,518 there is so much duplication of services. 645 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,387 You know, they overlap. 646 00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:13,024 And a lot of times, eliminating a police department 647 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,293 really doesn't harm the public, 648 00:33:15,294 --> 00:33:18,229 because another department can come in and take care of it. 649 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:21,066 The way this actually worked was the FBI 650 00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:25,002 walked into Omar Bradley's office one day 651 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,373 because a Long Beach police officer had been shot 652 00:33:28,374 --> 00:33:31,676 with a gun that had flowed through the Compton 653 00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:34,846 police evidence locker, and so the FBI 654 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:40,351 wanted to know if Omar Bradley was in on it. 655 00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:41,886 And Omar Bradley said, 656 00:33:41,887 --> 00:33:44,222 I don't know what you're talking about. 657 00:33:44,223 --> 00:33:46,657 And that led to an investigation 658 00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:50,128 into the Compton corruption that was happening. 659 00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:52,029 When they start this investigation, 660 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,332 they come in and they find the 661 00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,302 evidence locker is just a mess. 662 00:33:57,303 --> 00:34:02,140 The inventory hasn't been done in years and years and years. 663 00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:05,244 And Chief Hourie Taylor is suspended. 664 00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:08,779 A group of those cops, sort of an elite group of those 665 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:11,949 cops were doing, were actually like a criminal gang. 666 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:13,518 And we're not talking about just 667 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:14,952 casual trips down to the locker, 668 00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:19,657 we're talking about 172 unaccounted for visits. 669 00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:21,659 And they ask Hourie Taylor if they can start 670 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,928 looking into the lockers, and Hourie Taylor 671 00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:26,597 is pacing back and forth, oh, I don't think I have a key, 672 00:34:26,598 --> 00:34:28,499 and I don't think the key's around. 673 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,636 And he seems like he's nervous, and he's upset. 674 00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:34,839 And so the investigator pulls out bolt cutters 675 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,676 and just cuts off the lock to Hourie Taylor's locker. 676 00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:42,180 And inside they find two kilos of cocaine 677 00:34:42,181 --> 00:34:45,450 in the police chief's personal locker. 678 00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:47,452 And Hourie Taylor, all of a sudden, 679 00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,220 decides he doesn't wanna be there, 680 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:52,223 and he leaves the police station. 681 00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:54,459 And Hourie Taylor gestures to his attorney 682 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:57,362 as he's running out the back stairs to follow him up there, 683 00:34:57,363 --> 00:34:59,997 and that's the last they see of Hourie Taylor. 684 00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:03,534 Cases were being rejected by the D.A.'s office. 685 00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:07,905 And the Compton police were actually keeping the evidence. 686 00:35:07,906 --> 00:35:09,940 And a lot of that evidence wasn't 687 00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:12,042 being kept in the evidence locker, and then when they 688 00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:14,979 actually go to look for the evidence, it's missing. 689 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,649 Compton was a very corrupt city, 690 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:22,120 and the police were trafficking narcotics. 691 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:27,526 Using the evidence locker as their warehouse. 692 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,495 So then that's how they pay him. 693 00:35:30,496 --> 00:35:31,996 But you gotta understand. 694 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:34,999 We give you the dope, you give us a business deal. 695 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,402 So our money looks good because 696 00:35:37,403 --> 00:35:40,571 our money's coming off this business deal. 697 00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:43,308 But where's that money coming from? 698 00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:48,313 Coming from the dope coming out the evidence locker. 699 00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:50,982 And the guns, 2300 guns missing. 700 00:35:52,918 --> 00:35:54,486 140 gallons of PCP. 701 00:36:01,059 --> 00:36:03,328 I mean, money laundering is if you take drug money 702 00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:05,896 and you go buy a car, and you just laundered that money. 703 00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:09,367 If you go buy clothes, you just laundered that money. 704 00:36:09,368 --> 00:36:10,835 That's a small scale. 705 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:13,571 They started calling people in one at a time. 706 00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:17,475 Nobody was taking the rap for what was happening 707 00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:20,378 and all the corruption, and they were blaming other people. 708 00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:23,348 There was an awful lot of finger pointing. 709 00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:26,884 They were also trafficking in stolen guns. 710 00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:30,120 And a lot of those guns were going into the evidence locker, 711 00:36:30,121 --> 00:36:34,293 and then finding their way over to a gun shop in Compton. 712 00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:38,796 City clerk, he owns, part owner of the gun shop. 713 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:41,132 ATF, FBI, Homeland Security. 714 00:36:42,268 --> 00:36:43,801 And Baca. Baca, oh. 715 00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:47,004 About 400 people went in there to get all them guns out. 716 00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:48,906 They had to bring up a big rig 717 00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:50,608 to get all the shit they had out. 718 00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:53,511 There's no coincidence that the Compton 719 00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:55,913 police corruption report happened 720 00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:59,850 at the exact same time that we had the Rampart scandal. 721 00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:02,186 And so you have this pattern that includes 722 00:37:02,187 --> 00:37:05,423 actually, the DA's office in the missing cocaine, 723 00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,792 but nothing ever happens. 724 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:10,928 And you have an Assistant District Attorney 725 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:14,165 who refuses to prosecute Hourie Taylor. 726 00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,602 But then turns around and is the one 727 00:37:17,603 --> 00:37:20,371 that was pursuing Omar Bradley 728 00:37:20,372 --> 00:37:24,141 the entire time Omar Bradley had his corruption trial, 729 00:37:24,142 --> 00:37:26,143 which was eventually overturned. 730 00:37:26,144 --> 00:37:28,078 But even after it was overturned, 731 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,483 the Assistant District Attorney kept pursuing Omar Bradley. 732 00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:34,952 Within three years after Omar Bradley 733 00:37:34,953 --> 00:37:38,088 is defeated as Mayor and Eric Perrodin takes over, 734 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:40,691 fellow prosecutor Terry Bork 735 00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:43,961 presses charges against Omar Bradley for corruption 736 00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:46,196 as it applies to credit card charges. 737 00:37:46,197 --> 00:37:48,533 Yet when those same credit card charges that are made 738 00:37:48,534 --> 00:37:51,502 by Eric Perrodin are presented to Terry Bork, 739 00:37:51,503 --> 00:37:53,170 with the question as to whether or not 740 00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:56,441 that's actually corruption, Terry Bork says that even if 741 00:37:56,442 --> 00:37:59,477 he found that those credit card charges were corruption, 742 00:37:59,478 --> 00:38:03,314 he would not prosecute Eric Perrodin. 743 00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:07,352 Reggie Wright Sr. Is in charge of narcotics 744 00:38:07,353 --> 00:38:10,821 at the Compton Police Department. 745 00:38:10,822 --> 00:38:12,990 And so they bring him in for questioning. 746 00:38:12,991 --> 00:38:17,162 And Reggie Wright Sr. Immediately starts talking about how, 747 00:38:18,397 --> 00:38:21,031 even though he's the man that's in charge, 748 00:38:21,032 --> 00:38:24,001 and the responsibility really stops with him, 749 00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:27,705 that he doesn't ever make any decisions, 750 00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:29,940 and so they really shouldn't be looking at him, 751 00:38:29,941 --> 00:38:32,242 they should be looking at the guy under him, 752 00:38:32,243 --> 00:38:33,878 and the guy over him. 753 00:38:33,879 --> 00:38:37,715 Everybody is pointing to other people to blame for 754 00:38:37,716 --> 00:38:41,919 the malfeasance that was going on in the department. 755 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,121 Now it looks like the time in the Compton police report 756 00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:46,223 that Reggie Wright Sr. Was actually in charge 757 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:49,694 of both the narcotics and the gang units, was about a year. 758 00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:52,930 But prior to that he had been in charge of the gangs. 759 00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,265 And who deals the drugs? 760 00:38:55,266 --> 00:38:56,101 The gangs. 761 00:38:57,569 --> 00:39:01,305 The Compton Police Corrution Report is a 95 page document. 762 00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:04,108 So when it was decided that they were going to shut down 763 00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:07,277 the Compton Police Department, a lawsuit was filed. 764 00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:09,179 One of the things that struck us immediately 765 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,881 was that there was a handful of people 766 00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:12,349 in the Compton Police Department 767 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,351 that were just not satisfied with 768 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:17,087 the Compton Police Department being closed. 769 00:39:17,088 --> 00:39:18,989 It was heard before a judge. 770 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,758 They tried to do everything they could 771 00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:23,093 to block this from being shut down. 772 00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:27,932 And the judge heard the case, they had their day in court. 773 00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,901 And the judge allowed them to 774 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:33,638 shut down the Compton Police Department. 775 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,073 Even though Omar Bradley had been successful in 776 00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:38,409 shutting down the corrupt Compton Police Department, 777 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,310 what do you think was the first priority 778 00:39:40,311 --> 00:39:42,847 on Eric Perrodin's agenda? 779 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:45,016 Restarting the Compton PD. 780 00:39:48,987 --> 00:39:52,857 The whole notion of, I am my brother's keeper. 781 00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:54,625 Doesn't exist over here. 782 00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:56,761 This is dog eat dog. 783 00:39:56,762 --> 00:39:58,663 So what you had here is a real dilemma for the 784 00:39:58,664 --> 00:40:01,331 Compton Police Department, because it's sort of like a vise. 785 00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:04,569 On the one hand you have the Operation Big Spender, 786 00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:06,203 and the sheriffs, and everybody that's 787 00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:08,372 surrounding the city of Compton being investigated 788 00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:11,008 for corruption as it relates to the drug trade. 789 00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:12,710 And on the other side of it you have 790 00:40:12,711 --> 00:40:15,212 the Justice Department and the Drug Enforcement Agency 791 00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:16,881 coming down on Death Row Records, 792 00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:19,183 and looking at Death Row Records for money laundering, 793 00:40:19,184 --> 00:40:21,318 as it relates to drug sales. 794 00:40:21,319 --> 00:40:22,853 So where is in the middle? 795 00:40:22,854 --> 00:40:24,489 The Compton Police Department. 796 00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:28,158 I was approached by the F.B.I. and A.T.F. 797 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,662 about a year and 1/2, about a year afterwards, 798 00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:35,332 while I was working with Death Row Records 799 00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:40,304 in regards to racketeering within Death Row Records, 800 00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:42,473 and also the, at that time, 801 00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:44,909 the mayor of Compton, Omar Bradley. 802 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:47,044 Of some other things that occur within the city. 803 00:40:47,045 --> 00:40:48,378 I didn't know that the F.B.I 804 00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,216 at that time was following Reggie, 805 00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:55,486 Suge, the homeboys. 806 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:58,556 And that's how things started out with the F.B.I. 807 00:40:58,557 --> 00:41:01,659 He really was not that street person. 808 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,061 He didn't understand the streets value. 809 00:41:04,062 --> 00:41:05,896 At 24, Tupac Shakur was a 810 00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:08,232 platinum-selling artist, the movie star, 811 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:10,835 and an inmate at the Dannemora jail in upstate New York. 812 00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:13,437 By the time that Tupac Shakur had gone to prison, 813 00:41:13,438 --> 00:41:16,306 he had already shot two cops in the city of Atlanta. 814 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:18,142 The charges were dropped against him, 815 00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:20,144 but he still shot cops. 816 00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:22,346 So he was no favorite with law enforcement. 817 00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:24,615 That's just plain out, period, don't come to jail. 818 00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:27,051 I'm telling you straight up, this ain't the spot. 819 00:41:27,052 --> 00:41:30,020 It's dirty, it's filthy, it's like you an animal. 820 00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:30,989 And this is not the spot. 821 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:32,523 No man don't wanna be here. 822 00:41:32,524 --> 00:41:33,891 No man or woman wants to be here. 823 00:41:33,892 --> 00:41:36,360 Pac is now in Dannemora. 824 00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:38,428 Everybody is visiting back and forth. 825 00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:42,299 Before the records, after the records, Dannemora. 826 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,836 After Dannemora, I visited him, I took a trip. 827 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:47,471 I just one day I was like, 828 00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:49,339 I gotta go to New York and see Pac. 829 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,643 And I think also that Tupac got it in his mind 830 00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:55,880 that he needed someone to protect him. 831 00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:56,715 Now. 832 00:41:57,849 --> 00:42:00,117 That again isn't true. 833 00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,385 That he needed someone to protect him, 834 00:42:01,386 --> 00:42:03,353 because Watani had a group of people, 835 00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:04,454 had always put a group of people 836 00:42:04,455 --> 00:42:06,557 around him to look out for him. 837 00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:08,225 The reason things happened to Tupac 838 00:42:08,226 --> 00:42:10,828 is Tupac would step outside of that group. 839 00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:12,429 If you, if people put a group of people 840 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,064 around you to look out for you, 841 00:42:14,065 --> 00:42:15,399 you need to stay inside that group. 842 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,367 You don't need to step out and create 843 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:20,571 new alliances with people that you don't know. 844 00:42:20,572 --> 00:42:24,374 I got a phone call that Death Row had went to visit Tupac, 845 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:27,311 and that, I think he's signing with Suge. 846 00:42:27,312 --> 00:42:29,980 The whole, kinda, Death Row thing. 847 00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:33,417 It's, Tupac wanted to go to Death Row. 848 00:42:33,418 --> 00:42:34,753 What he told me. 849 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,188 Face to face, as close as we are sitting. 850 00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:39,624 Was I want to go to Death Row because 851 00:42:39,625 --> 00:42:41,926 I want to record with Dre and Snoop. 852 00:42:41,927 --> 00:42:44,461 He said to me, you can make a phone call, 853 00:42:44,462 --> 00:42:46,797 or I'll have someone make a phone call. 854 00:42:46,798 --> 00:42:48,599 And I think Watani and I were both 855 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,235 down at Dannemora talking to him at the time, 856 00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:52,569 and told him you don't need to do that. 857 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,739 There's no reason to do that. 858 00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:56,974 You're number one on the charts. 859 00:42:56,975 --> 00:43:01,411 Your record's outselling anybody at this particular time. 860 00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:03,681 All Death Row is is Interscope. 861 00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,215 You don't need to go to Death Row. 862 00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:06,784 Clockwork, 24/7. 863 00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:08,653 Because I knew he was gonna end it. 864 00:43:08,654 --> 00:43:09,820 This was just a means. 865 00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:11,756 He had to get out of jail. 866 00:43:11,757 --> 00:43:13,758 And he wanted his mom to have a house. 867 00:43:13,759 --> 00:43:15,425 And he would do those three albums, 868 00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,394 and after those three albums were done 869 00:43:17,395 --> 00:43:19,396 the house is paid for, what is he gonna do? 870 00:43:19,397 --> 00:43:21,065 'Cause he had other ambitions. 871 00:43:21,066 --> 00:43:23,167 At the time, Suge wasn't letting anyone 872 00:43:23,168 --> 00:43:27,404 work with Dre or Snoop unless they were part of Death Row. 873 00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:32,076 In those months, in those last nine months of his life, 874 00:43:32,077 --> 00:43:35,279 he had a kind of desperation that I talked about earlier. 875 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,915 The only thing that mattered was to make a difference. 876 00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:39,750 Thug life is like the 12th grade. 877 00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:41,719 Some people graduate from high school, 878 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,420 and don't seek to do anything else. 879 00:43:43,421 --> 00:43:46,724 His lifestyle on video and on tape 880 00:43:46,725 --> 00:43:49,426 and even on song looked like a party. 881 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:52,562 It wasn't a party, it wasn't a gangster party. 882 00:43:52,563 --> 00:43:54,932 It wasn't a party at all. 883 00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,534 You have to remember, Tupac was out on bail. 884 00:43:57,535 --> 00:43:58,836 And the reason that he was rushing 885 00:43:58,837 --> 00:44:00,905 to get as many songs done as he could 886 00:44:00,906 --> 00:44:02,707 was because he wasn't sure that that bail 887 00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:04,574 wouldn't be revoked at some point, 888 00:44:04,575 --> 00:44:07,077 and that he may actually go back to prison. 889 00:44:07,078 --> 00:44:09,080 He was not a gangster. 890 00:44:10,181 --> 00:44:12,249 Not one day in his life. 891 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:16,486 Not even the day in the MGM when he stomped 892 00:44:16,487 --> 00:44:20,090 whoever the hell that was on the floor. 893 00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:40,544 I was in the limo. 894 00:44:40,545 --> 00:44:43,914 Me and Tupac, Outlaw Immortalz, we were driving around 895 00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:47,919 in Harlem, and the radio came on with Snoop Dogg 896 00:44:49,087 --> 00:44:52,689 saying that he had no beef with New York. 897 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,926 Which sent Pac into a rage. 898 00:44:55,827 --> 00:44:57,228 And at that time. 899 00:44:58,629 --> 00:45:02,300 The artists, the height of that whole forefront, was Snoop. 900 00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:07,037 How the fuck did that feel? 901 00:45:07,038 --> 00:45:09,039 'Cause I am the LBC. 902 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,108 I'm the king of Long Beach, nigga. 903 00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:13,978 I made it fashionable for niggas that bang the dub. 904 00:45:13,979 --> 00:45:16,180 I made it universal, motherfucker. 905 00:45:16,181 --> 00:45:18,783 I'm the nigga that took the set around the whole globe. 906 00:45:18,784 --> 00:45:20,951 23 year old Calvin Broadus, 907 00:45:20,952 --> 00:45:23,020 AKA Snoop Doggy Dogg, the man who made 908 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:26,190 gangsta rap mainstream, stands accused of murder. 909 00:45:26,191 --> 00:45:28,692 Los Angeles police announce that 21 year old 910 00:45:28,693 --> 00:45:32,329 Calvin Broadus, better known as rap star Snoop Doggy Dogg, 911 00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:34,464 had turned himself in to police on Friday, 912 00:45:34,465 --> 00:45:35,665 along with two other young black men, 913 00:45:35,666 --> 00:45:37,067 all accompanied by an attorney 914 00:45:37,068 --> 00:45:39,336 in connection with the murder on August 25 915 00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:41,238 of a man named Phillip Woldermariam, 916 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,373 in what police believe was a gang-related shooting. 917 00:45:43,374 --> 00:45:45,275 We the jury in the above entitled action 918 00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:47,577 find the defendant, Calvin Broadus, not guilty 919 00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:49,947 of the crime of murder in the first degree. 920 00:45:49,948 --> 00:45:51,816 Only if David Kenner just would have had love for me 921 00:45:51,817 --> 00:45:53,283 on that level, and just did it for me, 922 00:45:53,284 --> 00:45:55,820 just, not for the paper, just doing it for the love, 923 00:45:55,821 --> 00:45:58,122 'cause I know that's how he is about me. 924 00:45:58,123 --> 00:45:59,689 He's not concerned with the money issue, 925 00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:01,291 you know what I'm saying, and I knew that 926 00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:02,927 when he did his closing argument. 927 00:46:02,928 --> 00:46:04,394 You know, we beat a murder trial for him, 928 00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:06,263 but then he's on probation. 929 00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:09,299 Then he got caught with two ounces of marijuana. 930 00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:10,801 Then he got caught with guns. 931 00:46:10,802 --> 00:46:13,003 And each time it's nothing, they're not gonna violate him. 932 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:15,072 Because for the street guys, 933 00:46:15,073 --> 00:46:16,573 street guys know what I'm talking about. 934 00:46:16,574 --> 00:46:18,108 There's no puzzle. 935 00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:20,110 I mean, if you get a guy that constantly getting in trouble 936 00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:21,545 and never gonna go to prison, 937 00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,714 that's because he's an informant, he's a rat, a snitch. 938 00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:26,951 You know, it was Suge, and his guys, 939 00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:30,320 and Tupac, and myself, and there was Snoop Dogg, 940 00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:32,189 and Dre, and Tha Dogg Pound. 941 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,024 That's how it was on the personal side. 942 00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:35,225 Well. 943 00:46:35,226 --> 00:46:36,861 You know, that was Pac, man. 944 00:46:36,862 --> 00:46:37,962 You cross him. 945 00:46:37,963 --> 00:46:39,396 There's no gray area. 946 00:46:39,397 --> 00:46:41,365 There's black and white. 947 00:46:41,366 --> 00:46:45,735 You cross him, you do something, you screw up, you're out. 948 00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:48,372 Now since he's not around, everybody claims 949 00:46:48,373 --> 00:46:50,140 that they was great friends. 950 00:46:50,141 --> 00:46:52,342 Everybody do a show. 951 00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,078 Some artists knew him, 952 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,014 but like, Pac and Snoop, they hated each other. 953 00:46:57,015 --> 00:46:59,749 And you could tell that by the simple fact that 954 00:46:59,750 --> 00:47:04,054 when Snoop did Doggfather, Pac was not on not one song. 955 00:47:04,055 --> 00:47:06,057 And Pac didn't like Dre. 956 00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:09,293 That would change the Death Row camp, 957 00:47:09,294 --> 00:47:11,761 because of the jealousy of Tupac. 958 00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:14,231 Because Tupac was all of a sudden now, 959 00:47:14,232 --> 00:47:16,000 he's this major star, and he getting all the light, 960 00:47:16,001 --> 00:47:17,301 he getting all the attention. 961 00:47:17,302 --> 00:47:20,504 I didn't feel nothing for nobody at first. 962 00:47:20,505 --> 00:47:21,738 I mean, especially Snoop. 963 00:47:21,739 --> 00:47:24,308 Snoop, Snoop and Pac came up together. 964 00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:26,010 You know, like Thug Life and Dogg Pound, 965 00:47:26,011 --> 00:47:27,211 we like came up together. 966 00:47:27,212 --> 00:47:29,079 And you know, Thug Life, Murder Was the Case, 967 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,048 and I Get Around was the same time, 968 00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:32,883 we'd see each other, traveling, yeah, you know what I mean, 969 00:47:32,884 --> 00:47:34,485 and keep it moving. 970 00:47:36,387 --> 00:47:39,824 That might have changed over time because 971 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,629 that group of people hadn't been around Pac like we had. 972 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:48,632 So they didn't know how, how Pac is 973 00:47:48,633 --> 00:47:52,069 as a celebrity, as a star, to actually deal with him 974 00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:56,006 requires more attention, more time, 'cause he's Pac. 975 00:47:56,007 --> 00:47:57,908 And here's the irony. 976 00:47:57,909 --> 00:47:59,743 Tupac left to go to Death Row Records, 977 00:47:59,744 --> 00:48:02,446 because he wanted to record with Snoop and with Dre. 978 00:48:02,447 --> 00:48:04,848 But when he got there, by the time he was done, 979 00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:06,383 he didn't like either of them. 980 00:48:06,384 --> 00:48:08,185 Tupac looked at me, and said, 981 00:48:08,186 --> 00:48:10,187 man, is that how my shit gonna sound? 982 00:48:10,188 --> 00:48:11,989 And I'm like, naw, man. 983 00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:15,325 But he's ready to kick a hole in the wall. 984 00:48:15,326 --> 00:48:17,561 Told the guy no man, they kicked us out 985 00:48:17,562 --> 00:48:20,730 of Can-Am six o'clock this morning, 986 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:22,799 this is the best that Kevin Lewis could do for us. 987 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,502 And he picks up the phone, he calls the office. 988 00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:29,639 He says Snoop was corny, take all day doing one song. 989 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,743 He says, I'm paying Nate Dogg's child support. 990 00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:35,112 Rage. 991 00:48:35,113 --> 00:48:37,814 Y'all kicked my engineers out the studio, 992 00:48:37,815 --> 00:48:40,650 so that that Rage could continue working 993 00:48:40,651 --> 00:48:43,787 on a record that she's been working on for two years. 994 00:48:43,788 --> 00:48:45,889 That's pretty fucked up. 995 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:47,791 I am paying for this. 996 00:48:47,792 --> 00:48:50,327 Why aren't you guys kicking them out the studio, 997 00:48:50,328 --> 00:48:53,863 when my record is the number one record on Billboard? 998 00:48:53,864 --> 00:48:56,366 Stuff like that, you know I'm saying? 999 00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:59,403 So, you know, that to me, you know, 1000 00:48:59,404 --> 00:49:01,338 was childish on their part, 1001 00:49:01,339 --> 00:49:04,174 but they can never fill the shoes that Pac filled 1002 00:49:04,175 --> 00:49:05,675 if I walk in the door, like he would. 1003 00:49:05,676 --> 00:49:08,878 But in the city of New York on September 4th of 1996 1004 00:49:08,879 --> 00:49:11,181 there was a big problem, and that had to do 1005 00:49:11,182 --> 00:49:13,550 with a radio interview that Snoop Dogg did. 1006 00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:15,052 Because she asked me on the air, 1007 00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:18,455 how do you feel about Puffy and Biggie? 1008 00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:20,224 And I said what I felt. 1009 00:49:20,225 --> 00:49:22,126 They're my homeboys, I love 'em. 1010 00:49:22,127 --> 00:49:24,328 Pac of course had big beef with New York. 1011 00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:26,730 Pac had a beef with New York because he got 1012 00:49:26,731 --> 00:49:30,667 attacked in 1994 and there was a shot fired, 1013 00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:33,037 and unfortunately it was self-inflicted. 1014 00:49:33,038 --> 00:49:35,039 Snoop was basically saying, hey. 1015 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,673 I don't have beef with them. 1016 00:49:36,674 --> 00:49:38,243 That set Tupac off. 1017 00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:41,411 And we immediately spun the limo around, 1018 00:49:41,412 --> 00:49:44,714 and we went back to the hotel to confront Snoop. 1019 00:49:44,715 --> 00:49:46,650 We couldn't find him. 1020 00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:50,254 But we found Mr. Knight, and that's who 1021 00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:52,756 Tupac confronted about what was going on 1022 00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:54,224 on the radio while we were in New York. 1023 00:49:54,225 --> 00:49:58,395 I think Mr. Knight had me stay for the safety of Tupac. 1024 00:49:58,396 --> 00:50:01,031 Because I think Mr. Knight, with me not being there, 1025 00:50:01,032 --> 00:50:02,432 he would have put his hands on him. 1026 00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:03,933 He was that upset. 1027 00:50:03,934 --> 00:50:08,238 And Pac's words were, I'm gonna cut out Makavelli, 1028 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,408 and when I cut out Makavelli, I'm the hell up out of here. 1029 00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:13,677 You got your money, I don't want nothing else 1030 00:50:13,678 --> 00:50:15,445 to do with Death Row, I'm out. 1031 00:50:15,446 --> 00:50:18,582 And after the major fallout between Suge and Tupac, 1032 00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:21,085 suddenly Snoop walks back to the hotel. 1033 00:50:21,086 --> 00:50:22,286 When I got back to the hotel, 1034 00:50:22,287 --> 00:50:24,888 it was a whole 'nother atmosphere, like. 1035 00:50:24,889 --> 00:50:26,723 Perpetuating this, so it could be drama. 1036 00:50:26,724 --> 00:50:29,759 Which, I still love MTV, but when it all go down, 1037 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,695 don't look at me and Biggie and be like, 1038 00:50:31,696 --> 00:50:33,963 why is there a big beef, East Coast/West Coast war. 1039 00:50:33,964 --> 00:50:38,468 So when we got on the plane to go back to LA the next day, 1040 00:50:38,469 --> 00:50:40,870 Suge didn't let none of my security ride with me. 1041 00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:45,042 I had to ride on the plane with him, his homies, and Pac. 1042 00:50:46,211 --> 00:50:47,877 And it was the most uncomfortable 1043 00:50:47,878 --> 00:50:49,246 ride I ever had in my life. 1044 00:50:49,247 --> 00:50:51,982 Back, put the blanket on my head. 1045 00:50:53,184 --> 00:50:55,585 Knife in my hand, fork in my hand. 1046 00:50:55,586 --> 00:50:57,621 And just sleep the rest of the ride. 1047 00:50:57,622 --> 00:50:58,788 'Cause I feel like they fittin' 1048 00:50:58,789 --> 00:51:00,457 to try to do something to me. 1049 00:51:00,458 --> 00:51:02,926 So I walked down the steps, we meet right here. 1050 00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:04,594 I'm like cuz, you going to Vegas? 1051 00:51:04,595 --> 00:51:08,031 Why was somebody that wasn't going to Vegas anyway 1052 00:51:08,032 --> 00:51:11,101 asking Tupac, are you going to Vegas? 1053 00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:12,837 He do me like this. 1054 00:51:14,939 --> 00:51:16,506 Went his way and he went my way. 1055 00:51:16,507 --> 00:51:17,841 Apparently the Long Beach Crips 1056 00:51:17,842 --> 00:51:20,244 had put out a DVD with a bunch of diss songs 1057 00:51:20,245 --> 00:51:22,146 and some music videos that dissed 1058 00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:24,648 the Death Row organization and dissed Suge Knight. 1059 00:51:24,649 --> 00:51:28,652 The DVD was all about killing Death Row people. 1060 00:51:28,653 --> 00:51:30,086 You feel me? 1061 00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:34,491 Now, the DVD was predominantly Long Beach people in it. 1062 00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:36,693 You feel me, I'm from Long Beach. 1063 00:51:36,694 --> 00:51:39,062 My whole time that I was on Death Row I lived it, 1064 00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:40,330 right here in Long Beach. 1065 00:51:40,331 --> 00:51:43,533 You always saw Pac and Suge hanging together. 1066 00:51:43,534 --> 00:51:46,503 You always saw these niggas everywhere together. 1067 00:51:46,504 --> 00:51:48,938 They was like big brother, little brother and shit, 1068 00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:51,208 and the thing is, that relationship 1069 00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:53,710 was dangerous for the powers that be. 1070 00:51:53,711 --> 00:51:54,978 'Cause I remember that. 1071 00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:56,246 Not the West Coast that got backlash 1072 00:51:56,247 --> 00:51:59,549 from Suge Knight, Tupac and Death Row. 1073 00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:02,986 And them was our last days hanging out before he got killed. 1074 00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:05,522 So we ended on a kind of foul note. 1075 00:52:05,523 --> 00:52:07,056 The tension between Death Row Records 1076 00:52:07,057 --> 00:52:09,326 and the Long Beach Crips and the Snoop Dogg 1077 00:52:09,327 --> 00:52:11,495 Dogg Pound camps was palpable. 1078 00:52:11,496 --> 00:52:14,063 To the point where Snoop Dogg went to the point 1079 00:52:14,064 --> 00:52:16,566 of making an entire music video 1080 00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:19,436 that showed total disrespect for Suge Knight. 1081 00:52:19,437 --> 00:52:21,438 Bully got checked, you know what I'm saying. 1082 00:52:21,439 --> 00:52:23,640 You know how when you in school and you got a bully. 1083 00:52:23,641 --> 00:52:25,108 And he's scaring everybody, 1084 00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:27,110 and everybody going the other way. 1085 00:52:27,111 --> 00:52:28,912 Scared, putting their lunch money up, 1086 00:52:28,913 --> 00:52:30,414 hiding their gold chains. 1087 00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:33,283 Well this day at school the bully got checked. 1088 00:52:33,284 --> 00:52:36,486 He had to put his gold chain in, he tried to light a cigar. 1089 00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:37,954 You know, but the media didn't want to 1090 00:52:37,955 --> 00:52:40,056 bring it off like that, 'cause they was scared that Suge 1091 00:52:40,057 --> 00:52:42,526 was gonna do something to 'em for telling the truth. 1092 00:52:42,527 --> 00:52:44,127 Shit, go ahead, why? 1093 00:52:44,128 --> 00:52:46,396 Were you in Vegas? 1094 00:52:46,397 --> 00:52:47,864 No, we heard about it. 1095 00:52:47,865 --> 00:52:49,999 'Cause they was trying to get us to go to Vegas. 1096 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,669 And we was like, Dogg Pound, we was really on 1097 00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:55,272 our fuck Death Row shit, really, you know what I'm saying, 1098 00:52:55,273 --> 00:52:56,573 we was already feeling. At, by that time. 1099 00:52:56,574 --> 00:52:58,875 We was already saying fuck Death Row. 1100 00:52:58,876 --> 00:53:00,143 You know what I'm saying? Okay. 1101 00:53:00,144 --> 00:53:01,878 'Cause we know everybody. 1102 00:53:01,879 --> 00:53:03,780 And now we have opportunity. 1103 00:53:03,781 --> 00:53:06,716 The people that need to be in Las Vegas are in Las Vegas, 1104 00:53:06,717 --> 00:53:08,017 and the people who don't wanna be 1105 00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:11,488 seen in Las Vegas have cleared out. 1106 00:53:11,489 --> 00:53:13,623 'Cause I am the LBC. 1107 00:53:13,624 --> 00:53:15,992 I'm the king of Long Beach, nigga. 1108 00:53:15,993 --> 00:53:18,728 I made it fashionable for niggas to bang the dub. 1109 00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:20,797 I made it universal, motherfucker. 1110 00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,700 I'm the nigga that took the set around the whole globe. 1111 00:53:23,701 --> 00:53:25,035 Yeah, that's me. 1112 00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:31,207 Tupac hated people, and we was supposed to 1113 00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:32,809 hate people because Tupac hated 'em. 1114 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:34,411 In most law enforcement investigations, 1115 00:53:34,412 --> 00:53:36,913 you find that the first suspects 1116 00:53:36,914 --> 00:53:39,516 that are looked at are generally wives, 1117 00:53:39,517 --> 00:53:42,286 girlfriends, significant others. 1118 00:53:42,287 --> 00:53:45,188 People that would normally have a natural relationship, 1119 00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:46,623 and you'd actually try to figure out 1120 00:53:46,624 --> 00:53:49,826 if they were the most logical suspect, 1121 00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,828 and in this case it doesn't seem to happen, 1122 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:53,897 yet you're looking at, she had plenty of motive. 1123 00:53:53,898 --> 00:53:56,099 She was managing Snoop in the very beginning, 1124 00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,034 but Snoop wasn't happy with that. 1125 00:53:58,035 --> 00:54:01,971 Knightlife Management, which Sharitha Knight owned, 1126 00:54:01,972 --> 00:54:04,073 which was Suge Knight's wife. 1127 00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,543 By Suge owning Death Row Records, 1128 00:54:06,544 --> 00:54:08,011 it would be a conflict of interest 1129 00:54:08,012 --> 00:54:10,347 of him managing his artists too. 1130 00:54:10,348 --> 00:54:13,850 So he had that in his wife's name. 1131 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:16,886 And not only did she manage every artist that was 1132 00:54:16,887 --> 00:54:20,990 on Death Row, she also managed Caution, she managed us. 1133 00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:23,059 I think that he gave her the 1134 00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:26,996 Knightlife entertainment to give her some experience, 1135 00:54:26,997 --> 00:54:29,466 get her experienced, 'cause she was young. 1136 00:54:29,467 --> 00:54:30,767 Anything goes down with Suge, 1137 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:32,268 you know who's gonna run this company? 1138 00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:33,503 Reggie. 1139 00:54:33,504 --> 00:54:34,704 Nope, wrong. 1140 00:54:34,705 --> 00:54:36,540 That's pressure Reggie can't handle. 1141 00:54:36,541 --> 00:54:38,575 Let me tell you, something goes wrong with Suge, 1142 00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:40,410 who's gonna run the company? 1143 00:54:40,411 --> 00:54:43,079 Common sense, Mike, Sharitha. Sharitha. 1144 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,948 Sharitha is on the thing. 1145 00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:46,783 Sharitha's on the paper. 1146 00:54:46,784 --> 00:54:49,453 Reggie would carry most of the burden. 1147 00:54:49,454 --> 00:54:52,155 They're tighter than you think. 1148 00:54:52,156 --> 00:54:54,759 They're tighter than you think. 1149 00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:58,127 Even though she was young, you know, 1150 00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:00,898 she had a baby, and so that kinda, 1151 00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,802 that kinda gave her the edge over a few people. 1152 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:10,540 I knew what he did when we were outside Death Row Records, 1153 00:55:10,541 --> 00:55:12,842 but he, as soon as Sharitha found out about it, 1154 00:55:12,843 --> 00:55:14,744 something had happened, 1155 00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:16,245 he's sitting at home. 1156 00:55:16,246 --> 00:55:17,748 It was never done. 1157 00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:20,750 He didn't play that one. 1158 00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:23,119 It was like, I guess it was like okay, 1159 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,491 either me or them, and I'm not giving up the child checks. 1160 00:55:27,492 --> 00:55:29,258 She had a cheating husband. 1161 00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:31,595 She was, had financial ties to him. 1162 00:55:31,596 --> 00:55:35,198 She could definitely gain from him being dead. 1163 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:37,166 So in all of those circumstances, 1164 00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:39,002 there might be good motive. 1165 00:55:39,003 --> 00:55:40,637 I mean, murder is pretty simple. 1166 00:55:40,638 --> 00:55:43,373 The first person you go after is the spouse, 1167 00:55:43,374 --> 00:55:45,975 or the person closest to the victim. 1168 00:55:45,976 --> 00:55:46,944 He just changed. 1169 00:55:46,945 --> 00:55:48,613 His ego, his temper. 1170 00:55:50,247 --> 00:55:53,216 The women started flocking, the money. 1171 00:55:53,217 --> 00:55:56,019 That was basically the demise of our marriage. 1172 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:58,522 Suge got out of control. 1173 00:56:00,425 --> 00:56:02,692 She went with the flow. 1174 00:56:02,693 --> 00:56:04,260 It didn't bother her. 1175 00:56:04,261 --> 00:56:07,997 A lot of times, she got herself into situations too. 1176 00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,133 And actually, by the time she said that, 1177 00:56:10,134 --> 00:56:12,268 she was suing Snoop, and trying to get money 1178 00:56:12,269 --> 00:56:14,604 'cause she said her husband was gonna kill him 1179 00:56:14,605 --> 00:56:16,440 at any moment and she wanted to get her money 1180 00:56:16,441 --> 00:56:17,707 while Snoop was still alive. 1181 00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:19,943 But more than just Suge, we wondered if 1182 00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:22,579 maybe Tupac was a threat to Sharitha. 1183 00:56:22,580 --> 00:56:25,314 When Tupac came in the picture of Death Row, 1184 00:56:25,315 --> 00:56:27,084 it all just crumbled. 1185 00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,056 It would have been easy for her to take over, 1186 00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:37,393 but I don't think she had the experience that was necessary 1187 00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,262 to keep a multi-million dollar 1188 00:56:39,263 --> 00:56:42,265 record company running like that. 1189 00:56:42,266 --> 00:56:43,900 You couldn't reach Sharitha except 1190 00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:45,502 through intermediaries who were lawyers, 1191 00:56:45,503 --> 00:56:49,473 but I had documents, and she knew I had those. 1192 00:56:49,474 --> 00:56:51,975 I basically knew about her relationship with Kevin Gaines, 1193 00:56:51,976 --> 00:56:55,212 so it was, how far in Kevin Gaines was. 1194 00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:59,048 Was it, you know, was he just involved with you? 1195 00:56:59,049 --> 00:57:02,786 Or was he really working for Suge too? 1196 00:57:02,787 --> 00:57:03,621 And. 1197 00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:07,857 She basically claimed that he did work for 1198 00:57:07,858 --> 00:57:10,259 Death Row Records, but it was at her behest and through her, 1199 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,662 and that, you know, the only time he was ever around Suge 1200 00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:15,364 was the time she thought Suge was gonna kill him. 1201 00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:18,301 He worked briefly for Suge Knight just as, 1202 00:57:18,302 --> 00:57:20,704 approximately 100 other officers. 1203 00:57:20,705 --> 00:57:24,273 Officers were paid $75 an hour to work for Suge Knight. 1204 00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:27,777 I was asked to work for Suge Knight, which I declined. 1205 00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:29,045 But a lot of officers did, 1206 00:57:29,046 --> 00:57:30,880 and they weren't all black officers. 1207 00:57:30,881 --> 00:57:32,482 And they weren't all from LAPD. 1208 00:57:32,483 --> 00:57:33,717 When they took the drive, 1209 00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:37,353 and Gaines and she both got scared. 1210 00:57:37,354 --> 00:57:38,655 But according to the stories 1211 00:57:38,656 --> 00:57:40,790 that roam the halls of Death Row Records, 1212 00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:42,992 Kevin Gaines was taken out to the 1213 00:57:42,993 --> 00:57:45,228 middle of the desert as a warning. 1214 00:57:45,229 --> 00:57:48,998 He was stripped naked and left to walk back to the city. 1215 00:57:48,999 --> 00:57:50,534 'Cause Suge was being very menacing, 1216 00:57:50,535 --> 00:57:52,636 and she basically backed him off 1217 00:57:52,637 --> 00:57:54,904 by saying, you know, this man's a police officer, 1218 00:57:54,905 --> 00:57:57,373 he's got a gun, you wouldn't dare kill a police officer. 1219 00:57:57,374 --> 00:57:59,342 According to the FBI documents, 1220 00:57:59,343 --> 00:58:01,678 Kevin Gaines was in Las Vegas 1221 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,080 from two days prior to the shooting of Shakur 1222 00:58:04,081 --> 00:58:07,283 until two days after the death of Shakur. 1223 00:58:07,284 --> 00:58:09,052 So we know that Kevin Gaines was already 1224 00:58:09,053 --> 00:58:11,688 Snoop Dogg's bodyguard, and apparently his muscle. 1225 00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:13,489 And that Kevin Gaines had a 1226 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,324 relationship with Sharitha Knight. 1227 00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,661 So what exactly was Kevin Gaines doing 1228 00:58:17,662 --> 00:58:21,598 out on that special assignment in Las Vegas? 1229 00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:27,971 We came across a letter that was called, 1230 00:58:27,972 --> 00:58:29,973 we call it the confession letter. 1231 00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:33,309 That was given to us by Chris Blatchford at Fox News. 1232 00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:36,580 And this letter was given to him in 1998, okay, 1233 00:58:36,581 --> 00:58:40,049 by a gentleman who is now in prison. 1234 00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:42,151 But at the time he was a confidential informant 1235 00:58:42,152 --> 00:58:45,254 for Fox News for Chris Blatchford, and he was reliable. 1236 00:58:45,255 --> 00:58:46,723 He'd helped him, actually tipped him off 1237 00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:49,125 to a couple of really big burglaries that had happened. 1238 00:58:49,126 --> 00:58:52,495 CHP's offices got burglarized, and he helped 1239 00:58:52,496 --> 00:58:55,699 Fox catch the people that did it, and this letter 1240 00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,767 was alleged to have been written 1241 00:58:57,768 --> 00:59:00,069 by Danny and Malcolm Patton. 1242 00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:03,807 And the Patton brothers were Piru, Pirus. 1243 00:59:03,808 --> 00:59:05,742 And. It's a gang in Los Angeles. 1244 00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:08,111 Yes, there's a gang in Los Angeles, I should say that. 1245 00:59:08,112 --> 00:59:10,179 That the Blood gang. Yeah. 1246 00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:13,751 And that they had mapped out this entire, 1247 00:59:15,352 --> 00:59:17,486 not only confession, that they were involved 1248 00:59:17,487 --> 00:59:20,056 with the shootings, but why the shootings happened. 1249 00:59:20,057 --> 00:59:22,525 What was all involved with it to begin with. 1250 00:59:22,526 --> 00:59:26,529 And in that letter, not only were the Pattons the ones 1251 00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:28,632 who were alleged to have written the letter, 1252 00:59:28,633 --> 00:59:31,901 but they named a rapper by the name of Lil Half Dead. 1253 00:59:31,902 --> 00:59:34,337 You have to be pretty hard core, know the Dogg Pound 1254 00:59:34,338 --> 00:59:37,340 to know the player, to know who he is. 1255 00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:41,044 So his name came up, but it was immediately 1256 00:59:41,045 --> 00:59:44,147 kind of the scoff, because nobody ever heard this before. 1257 00:59:44,148 --> 00:59:45,348 You don't need to look any further 1258 00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:48,284 than the album cover that Lil Half Dead did. 1259 00:59:48,285 --> 00:59:49,953 In this album cover he features 1260 00:59:49,954 --> 00:59:53,957 a picture of a dead Tupac Shakur slumped over a console 1261 00:59:53,958 --> 00:59:57,794 at Can-Am Studios, along with a picture of what 1262 00:59:57,795 --> 01:00:00,897 arguably looks like Yafeu Fula, 1263 01:00:00,898 --> 01:00:03,299 the second victim right after the shooting, 1264 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,736 as a victim as well being shot in the head. 1265 01:00:06,737 --> 01:00:09,572 Lil Half Dead himself is dressed up as 1266 01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:12,241 none other than the Terminator. 1267 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:14,610 Dogg Pound, we was really on our fuck Death Row shit, 1268 01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,012 really, you know what I'm saying. 1269 01:00:16,013 --> 01:00:17,446 We was already feeling. At that time. 1270 01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:19,749 We was already saying fuck Death Row. 1271 01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:21,350 And the story goes that they owed 1272 01:00:21,351 --> 01:00:22,886 Freeway Rick Ross some money. 1273 01:00:22,887 --> 01:00:25,188 At that time Fox News was paying a lot of money, 1274 01:00:25,189 --> 01:00:26,856 and if they thought you could break a story that would 1275 01:00:26,857 --> 01:00:31,060 get the kind of OJ ratings, you solved Tupac and Biggie. 1276 01:00:31,061 --> 01:00:33,763 That kind of ratings back in '97, '98. 1277 01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,667 Well, maybe it was worth giving this to. 1278 01:00:37,668 --> 01:00:39,468 We've also heard that it was an insurance policy, 1279 01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:42,105 because people were dropping like flies during those days. 1280 01:00:42,106 --> 01:00:44,407 Sometimes you can give the press a letter, 1281 01:00:44,408 --> 01:00:46,442 and you say, if anything happens to me, 1282 01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:48,011 you're free to put this out. 1283 01:00:48,012 --> 01:00:50,279 Several different points that the letter brings out. 1284 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,916 We narrowed it down to four basic benchmarks 1285 01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:55,551 that we could look at to see if there was any legitimacy. 1286 01:00:55,552 --> 01:00:57,687 The first one was demo stealing. 1287 01:00:57,688 --> 01:00:59,188 The letter mentions the fact that 1288 01:00:59,189 --> 01:01:00,690 there was a problem with demo stealing. 1289 01:01:00,691 --> 01:01:02,792 At the time there was a problem with demo stealing. 1290 01:01:02,793 --> 01:01:04,694 There were a lot of people ripping off albums. 1291 01:01:04,695 --> 01:01:06,129 Yeah, I saw that all the time. 1292 01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:09,232 Still you'll see it to this day. 1293 01:01:09,233 --> 01:01:11,267 When people would come to Death Row 1294 01:01:11,268 --> 01:01:13,236 to play their tracks for us, 1295 01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:16,105 if it was a good track after they left, 1296 01:01:16,106 --> 01:01:17,406 we might just make something that 1297 01:01:17,407 --> 01:01:18,875 sounded like what we just heard. 1298 01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:20,777 Now, there's a song by Tupac called "Toss it Up", 1299 01:01:20,778 --> 01:01:23,012 which is really, started out from "No Diggity". 1300 01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:24,814 One day, all of a sudden, 1301 01:01:24,815 --> 01:01:26,349 Death Row security comes to the door, 1302 01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:27,917 and they've got the master tape of "No Diggity". 1303 01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:31,054 As it got handed down the line to different producers, 1304 01:01:31,055 --> 01:01:33,389 more and more stuff got erased of "No Diggity", 1305 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:37,761 and then it's kind of hard to hear that that's in there. 1306 01:01:37,762 --> 01:01:39,195 The second thing that we looked at in the letter 1307 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:41,530 was actually the reference to the fact 1308 01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,133 that there was an altercation between 1309 01:01:44,134 --> 01:01:46,569 Lil Half Dead and Tupac's soldiers. 1310 01:01:46,570 --> 01:01:49,939 I think Pac was a great man, but his governor was broke. 1311 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:51,808 You know, in the car, when you got your governor, 1312 01:01:51,809 --> 01:01:53,843 where you could only go a certain, 1313 01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:56,245 Pac had to go all the way, every time. 1314 01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:58,247 All out or nothing. 1315 01:01:58,248 --> 01:01:59,715 It got to the point where I 1316 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,584 had a bail bondsman on speed dial, 1317 01:02:01,585 --> 01:02:04,487 and he knew me, and he knew our money was good. 1318 01:02:04,488 --> 01:02:08,224 So anytime Tupac or any of the guys got in trouble, 1319 01:02:08,225 --> 01:02:09,725 usually it was Tupac, 1320 01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:12,896 and then Madman would have to get bailed out also. 1321 01:02:12,897 --> 01:02:15,664 I'd call and get them bailed out right away. 1322 01:02:15,665 --> 01:02:18,301 This is back in the day where we're using Dats. 1323 01:02:18,302 --> 01:02:21,204 And I cued up the Dat to the wrong spot. 1324 01:02:21,205 --> 01:02:24,373 And Pac, he just blasted me in front of the whole crowd. 1325 01:02:24,374 --> 01:02:26,776 I'm sorry y'all, that's my stupid brother. 1326 01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:29,278 That's my stupid-ass brother on the mix. 1327 01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:30,513 You know, I'm like. 1328 01:02:30,514 --> 01:02:32,415 No, they better come now, check this out. 1329 01:02:32,416 --> 01:02:34,217 They fired me, but did it in a round about, 1330 01:02:34,218 --> 01:02:36,385 punk, snitch way, so I caught 'em on the streets 1331 01:02:36,386 --> 01:02:38,621 and beat they behinds, you know what I'm saying, 1332 01:02:38,622 --> 01:02:40,723 I was a menace to these brothers. 1333 01:02:40,724 --> 01:02:42,725 And it ain't over, I still got more for you. 1334 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,429 And I'm going like this is a movie. 1335 01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:48,264 My fist is coming back like this. 1336 01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:51,267 I got him by the neck, and I'm getting ready to punch him, 1337 01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:53,803 and just like a movie I get snatched off him. 1338 01:02:53,804 --> 01:02:55,438 And then it's just a bum rush, 1339 01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:56,940 and everybody just start rat packing, 1340 01:02:56,941 --> 01:03:00,076 you're just like Raging Bull, blood spurting everywhere. 1341 01:03:00,077 --> 01:03:02,045 And I just felt my body just contort. 1342 01:03:02,046 --> 01:03:03,947 I'd never been, you know, rat packed before. 1343 01:03:03,948 --> 01:03:07,451 I was just shocked I didn't feel anything. 1344 01:03:11,688 --> 01:03:12,922 The third thing that the 1345 01:03:12,923 --> 01:03:14,123 confession letter brings up 1346 01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:15,391 is actually the fact that there was 1347 01:03:15,392 --> 01:03:18,494 a bounty placed out on Tupac and Suge Knight. 1348 01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:20,129 That's not news. 1349 01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:21,931 There were bounties that were put out 1350 01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:23,833 allegedly on Death Row chains. 1351 01:03:23,834 --> 01:03:26,802 There was allegedly bounties put out on that. 1352 01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:28,504 Crooked Eye talks about the fact that there 1353 01:03:28,505 --> 01:03:30,073 was actually a bounty that was put out. 1354 01:03:30,074 --> 01:03:33,209 If you were a Death Row artist you were marked for death. 1355 01:03:33,210 --> 01:03:34,610 The fourth thing that we looked at, 1356 01:03:34,611 --> 01:03:36,179 and this was the real jaw-dropper, 1357 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:38,381 and that was that they mentioned Reggie Wright Jr., 1358 01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:40,816 and his involvement and the fact that he was going 1359 01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,753 to provide information as to where they were going to be, 1360 01:03:44,754 --> 01:03:47,023 and to provide barricades so that 1361 01:03:47,024 --> 01:03:49,558 there was actually no way out. 1362 01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:51,961 Tupac thought he was going to 1363 01:03:51,962 --> 01:03:53,963 a place where he could have protection, 1364 01:03:53,964 --> 01:03:58,201 but both Tupac and Suge were in over their heads, 1365 01:03:58,202 --> 01:04:02,571 and they were both targeted for execution that night. 1366 01:04:08,412 --> 01:04:10,013 Why would you have people mad at you 1367 01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,084 when they're holding your freedom in their hands? 1368 01:04:15,252 --> 01:04:17,520 Suge, what up with ya, big man. 1369 01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:19,255 Yeah, we livin'. Suge! 1370 01:04:20,524 --> 01:04:22,025 By this time we know that Death Row Records 1371 01:04:22,026 --> 01:04:24,593 and Ruthless Records had been funded with drug money, 1372 01:04:24,594 --> 01:04:26,429 and that Death Row Records was the subject 1373 01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:28,764 of a money laundering investigation. 1374 01:04:28,765 --> 01:04:31,100 The operation at Death Row Records was the kind 1375 01:04:31,101 --> 01:04:35,004 of organization that you'd wanna keep things kinda quiet. 1376 01:04:35,005 --> 01:04:37,873 Suge Knight started showing up on talk shows. 1377 01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:40,409 He started showing up on magazine covers. 1378 01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:41,978 And he started bringing a lot of attention 1379 01:04:41,979 --> 01:04:45,581 to people who just did not want that kind of attention. 1380 01:04:45,582 --> 01:04:49,753 In 1996, Death Row Records is worth 1/2 a billion dollars. 1381 01:04:51,755 --> 01:04:53,756 There are a lot of people that are really upset 1382 01:04:53,757 --> 01:04:55,992 with Suge Knight at the time. 1383 01:04:55,993 --> 01:04:58,361 So if you're Reggie Wright Jr., 1384 01:04:58,362 --> 01:05:00,796 it only makes sense that if something 1385 01:05:00,797 --> 01:05:03,499 is worth 1/2 a billion dollars, 1386 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:07,270 and you're tired of being harassed by the guy who runs it, 1387 01:05:07,271 --> 01:05:11,574 why not just kill him and take it from him? 1388 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,978 Guns, drugs, jealousy, money. 1389 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,116 This is a really bad formula here. 1390 01:05:22,686 --> 01:05:26,355 Now keep that back. 1391 01:05:26,356 --> 01:05:28,024 Keep that back. 1392 01:05:28,025 --> 01:05:29,925 I'm like, fuck that shit. 1393 01:05:29,926 --> 01:05:32,128 I could have jumped out on his ass in Vegas, 1394 01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:33,729 but I, you know, it was killing me, 1395 01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,332 but Snoop was like, hold on, don't fuck this up. 1396 01:05:36,333 --> 01:05:38,101 Don't fuck this up, don't fuck this up. 1397 01:05:38,102 --> 01:05:40,336 Don't fuck this up. Don't fuck this up. 1398 01:05:52,249 --> 01:05:54,483 On September the 7th, 1399 01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:56,919 Reggie Wright asked me to ride with him 1400 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,454 to the meeting that we were having. 1401 01:05:58,455 --> 01:06:00,056 It was about 12 noon. 1402 01:06:00,057 --> 01:06:04,460 And we were going to George Kelisis' office in Las Vegas. 1403 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:08,632 When we arrived there, there was 23 other security personnel 1404 01:06:09,866 --> 01:06:12,168 for Wright Way Security at this meeting, 1405 01:06:12,169 --> 01:06:16,339 along with the attorney and Reggie Wright. 1406 01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:17,806 Which is another thing that's unusual. 1407 01:06:17,807 --> 01:06:21,310 And one of the main issues and the main points were 1408 01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:23,479 we were not to carry our weapons. 1409 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,483 So, that right away brought up the issue of why not. 1410 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:30,319 I've been to Club 662 on many occasions, 1411 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,390 and never have they told me to leave my weapon. 1412 01:06:34,391 --> 01:06:37,626 So myself, Michael Moore, and Al Giddens 1413 01:06:37,627 --> 01:06:41,464 was excluded from that because we were 1414 01:06:41,465 --> 01:06:45,635 gonna be the main security at the Club 662 that evening. 1415 01:06:47,171 --> 01:06:50,973 Why would I leave my weapons in a vehicle, 1416 01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:55,378 or in the hotel room, and I'm personally guarding Pac? 1417 01:06:55,379 --> 01:06:57,780 In one of the most hottest places to be. 1418 01:06:57,781 --> 01:06:59,982 We were told to leave our weapons 1419 01:06:59,983 --> 01:07:02,718 originally into our hotel room, okay. 1420 01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,487 Then we said well, why would we 1421 01:07:04,488 --> 01:07:05,921 leave them in the hotel room? 1422 01:07:05,922 --> 01:07:07,190 There was gonna be a lot of commotion, 1423 01:07:07,191 --> 01:07:08,624 there was gonna be a lot of people. 1424 01:07:08,625 --> 01:07:10,659 And what that's gonna make it is a 1425 01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:12,561 body guarding incident. 1426 01:07:12,562 --> 01:07:14,597 So at this point in time all of the weapons 1427 01:07:14,598 --> 01:07:18,602 were gonna be at Club 662, left in our vehicles. 1428 01:07:20,737 --> 01:07:23,239 Therefore, if there was gonna be a problem, 1429 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,475 we would be able to retrieve our weapons from our vehicles. 1430 01:07:26,476 --> 01:07:31,180 I got into a little argument with Reggie Wright. 1431 01:07:31,181 --> 01:07:32,681 At lunch over it. 1432 01:07:32,682 --> 01:07:35,017 He said, Mike, I'm putting Frank back on him, 1433 01:07:35,018 --> 01:07:37,052 and I'm taking you back off. 1434 01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:39,288 And I said Reggie, that part doesn't make sense. 1435 01:07:39,289 --> 01:07:42,292 Why not leave me and Frank on Tupac? 1436 01:07:44,761 --> 01:07:48,831 I was at Los Angeles County jail booking in 1437 01:07:48,832 --> 01:07:51,567 a burglary suspect I arrested, I went to work that day. 1438 01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:53,936 At three o'clock or four o'clock in the afternoon, 1439 01:07:53,937 --> 01:07:56,872 in Las Vegas, at the Luxor, 1440 01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:58,574 security was all brought together 1441 01:07:58,575 --> 01:08:02,911 by Reggie Wright on the day that Pac was shot, 1442 01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,748 and we were told not to carry weapons, 1443 01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:07,516 'cause we were all armed. 1444 01:08:07,517 --> 01:08:11,688 We were told specifically, do not carry your weapon. 1445 01:08:13,123 --> 01:08:15,991 And did you find that kind of strange? 1446 01:08:15,992 --> 01:08:18,093 After the fight in the casino. Yeah, everybody. 1447 01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:20,563 Everybody thought it was strange. 1448 01:08:20,564 --> 01:08:24,633 Why would, why were guys told not to carry weapons? 1449 01:08:24,634 --> 01:08:26,101 Even the cops that were there 1450 01:08:26,102 --> 01:08:27,803 were told not to carry weapons. 1451 01:08:27,804 --> 01:08:29,905 Everybody was told not to carry weapons. 1452 01:08:29,906 --> 01:08:31,507 That's what we were told. 1453 01:08:31,508 --> 01:08:34,377 Now, I, at the meeting, was one of the few, 1454 01:08:34,378 --> 01:08:36,745 asked one of the few questions. 1455 01:08:36,746 --> 01:08:41,016 Why would you tell us not to carry our weapons? 1456 01:08:41,017 --> 01:08:43,619 This is their number one artist, I mean. 1457 01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:45,554 He's as high-profile as they get. 1458 01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:48,424 You know, and you're paying for all this security. 1459 01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:50,759 I mean, you got all these guys at the club. 1460 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,728 Something's wrong. 1461 01:08:51,729 --> 01:08:53,762 The pieces, the pieces of this 1462 01:08:53,763 --> 01:08:55,831 whole situation just doesn't fit. 1463 01:08:55,832 --> 01:08:57,966 I think the reason they removed me 1464 01:08:57,967 --> 01:09:00,236 from Tupac is because I was one of the 1465 01:09:00,237 --> 01:09:03,972 few people that wouldn't buy into not carrying your weapon. 1466 01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:07,943 And during no part of that day did I take my weapon off. 1467 01:09:07,944 --> 01:09:11,747 And Mr. Wright knew that, so they removed me off Tupac, 1468 01:09:11,748 --> 01:09:13,749 so there wouldn't be a weapon there. 1469 01:09:13,750 --> 01:09:16,118 I rode with Reggie, and as we were riding, 1470 01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:18,153 driving, going over to the meeting, 1471 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:22,326 he began to tell me about how he was upset at Kevin Hackie, 1472 01:09:23,693 --> 01:09:25,594 because Kevin Hackie didn't come out to Las Vegas, 1473 01:09:25,595 --> 01:09:28,664 and that Kevin Hackie had my Nextel, 1474 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:31,634 two-way, you know, cell-phone radio, 1475 01:09:31,635 --> 01:09:34,870 that should have been given to me when I arrived in Vegas. 1476 01:09:34,871 --> 01:09:37,273 Normally Frank and I would both have radios, 1477 01:09:37,274 --> 01:09:40,075 and Frank'd just say, hey Mike, I'm over here. 1478 01:09:40,076 --> 01:09:41,477 There was no radio again. 1479 01:09:41,478 --> 01:09:43,846 That day Frank doesn't have a radio. 1480 01:09:43,847 --> 01:09:46,449 I don't have a radio, which I normally have. 1481 01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:47,650 And we have confusion. 1482 01:09:47,651 --> 01:09:50,353 So for most of the day, all this went on, 1483 01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:53,322 and Tupac did not have a clue that's what we were doing. 1484 01:09:53,323 --> 01:09:56,158 Death Row was worth 1/2 a billion dollars at that time, 1485 01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,995 and Tupac Shakur, most of that revenue. 1486 01:09:59,996 --> 01:10:02,698 If your go-to excuse as the director of security 1487 01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:05,200 for Death Row Records is that you can't afford 1488 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,736 an extra radio, and that's why you don't have enough radios 1489 01:10:07,737 --> 01:10:10,339 to go around, you should be ashamed of yourself. 1490 01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:12,841 When Reggie did that and I questioned it, 1491 01:10:12,842 --> 01:10:14,843 Reggie did something that he's never done. 1492 01:10:14,844 --> 01:10:17,580 He's never stayed at 662. 1493 01:10:17,581 --> 01:10:20,683 He, that day, he stayed at the club. 1494 01:10:20,684 --> 01:10:22,485 Then why would he need me there, 1495 01:10:22,486 --> 01:10:25,521 and why would I be taken off of Tupac? 1496 01:10:34,398 --> 01:10:35,764 I didn't just meet Suge 1497 01:10:35,765 --> 01:10:37,633 when I started working at Death Row. 1498 01:10:37,634 --> 01:10:40,269 I used to work at Solar Records. 1499 01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:41,870 When he was running around, 1500 01:10:41,871 --> 01:10:43,606 go-fering, and going and buying lunch, 1501 01:10:43,607 --> 01:10:46,409 and picking lunch up, and all of that stuff, 1502 01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:48,677 but they groomed him into Suge Knight. 1503 01:10:48,678 --> 01:10:52,749 The ladies would see from Suge is this nice side. 1504 01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:55,651 And the nice side is making sure 1505 01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:57,252 you didn't want for nothing. 1506 01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:59,388 You know Suge, for a while, 1507 01:10:59,389 --> 01:11:02,291 was sending her roses all the time. 1508 01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:04,627 Too many, every time that she was here. 1509 01:11:04,628 --> 01:11:07,330 You'd go open the door and there was some more flowers, 1510 01:11:07,331 --> 01:11:10,699 you know, for every occasion, and sometimes every week. 1511 01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:12,535 Initially he would send her flowers, 1512 01:11:12,536 --> 01:11:15,538 and when we were still in California, 1513 01:11:15,539 --> 01:11:19,508 they would try to, they initially kept the bills paid. 1514 01:11:19,509 --> 01:11:22,177 See, we thought that was Pac's house. 1515 01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:25,180 We did not know that was Death Row's house. 1516 01:11:25,181 --> 01:11:28,050 That was not his house, it was not in his name. 1517 01:11:28,051 --> 01:11:29,752 From the moment we got there, 1518 01:11:29,753 --> 01:11:32,488 we thought that that was Pac's house he was buying. 1519 01:11:32,489 --> 01:11:35,157 So he bought everybody a car for Christmas. 1520 01:11:35,158 --> 01:11:39,695 But the catch on that on the control side, on the flip side, 1521 01:11:39,696 --> 01:11:42,498 he never put the car in your name. 1522 01:11:42,499 --> 01:11:45,133 So if he got mad at you he took your car back. 1523 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,703 He died in September, October. 1524 01:11:47,704 --> 01:11:50,807 We had an estate storage company come 1525 01:11:52,442 --> 01:11:54,777 and take all of the stuff out of that house. 1526 01:11:54,778 --> 01:11:56,712 He has a side of him 1527 01:11:56,713 --> 01:12:00,048 that is the sweeter side, and then he has a side of him 1528 01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,351 that he literally turns into the devil. 1529 01:12:02,352 --> 01:12:04,887 Because he's so nice with it, 1530 01:12:04,888 --> 01:12:07,623 he catches you off-guard when he does something. 1531 01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:12,094 Suge had them to pack everything in the Wilshire house 1532 01:12:12,095 --> 01:12:13,529 and send it down here. 1533 01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:14,963 She didn't even know it was coming. 1534 01:12:14,964 --> 01:12:16,399 We looked and it was there. 1535 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,501 She didn't want it in particularly, 1536 01:12:18,502 --> 01:12:20,102 even though she took it 'cause it was here, 1537 01:12:20,103 --> 01:12:22,606 'cause she said it wasn't his. 1538 01:12:27,444 --> 01:12:31,847 We were getting very close to wrapping on Gridlock, 1539 01:12:31,848 --> 01:12:34,149 we probably had maybe a week or two left on it, 1540 01:12:34,150 --> 01:12:38,321 and myself and Kevin Hackie, we were both on duty that day 1541 01:12:39,322 --> 01:12:40,789 on the set. 1542 01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:43,225 And it was in the evening time, 'cause it was already night. 1543 01:12:43,226 --> 01:12:46,395 And I got this phone call from Yaasmyn Fula, 1544 01:12:46,396 --> 01:12:49,665 and she said, hey Frank, I'm coming down to Gridlock, 1545 01:12:49,666 --> 01:12:51,333 don't you and Kevin leave 'cause I 1546 01:12:51,334 --> 01:12:53,135 need to talk to the two of you. 1547 01:12:53,136 --> 01:12:55,504 So, you know, probably 30 minutes later, 1548 01:12:55,505 --> 01:12:58,174 she shows up, and she goes, hey. 1549 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:00,843 She goes, there's some things going on 1550 01:13:00,844 --> 01:13:03,546 over at the Death Row office. 1551 01:13:03,547 --> 01:13:06,281 Pac has called an audit on the Death Row office. 1552 01:13:06,282 --> 01:13:07,716 You have to keep in mind, 1553 01:13:07,717 --> 01:13:10,252 it was a conflict of interest for Tupac to have 1554 01:13:10,253 --> 01:13:15,257 the same attorney that Death Row had, being David Kenner. 1555 01:13:15,258 --> 01:13:17,960 You know what I mean, that speaks for itself right there. 1556 01:13:17,961 --> 01:13:20,128 He wasn't feeling comfortable with what he was receiving, 1557 01:13:20,129 --> 01:13:22,665 I guess, as far as his royalties or whatever. 1558 01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:25,468 So that's the completion of that obligation. 1559 01:13:25,469 --> 01:13:27,302 As we, as I know it. 1560 01:13:27,303 --> 01:13:29,972 And I tell you, he had movie scripts, 1561 01:13:29,973 --> 01:13:32,107 and he was truly interested in that. 1562 01:13:32,108 --> 01:13:33,776 People were talking to him about it. 1563 01:13:33,777 --> 01:13:35,611 Yeah, he's done, he was done. 1564 01:13:35,612 --> 01:13:37,145 He was done. 1565 01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:38,380 He was done. 1566 01:13:38,381 --> 01:13:42,084 There were meetings with attorneys, Yaas and I, 1567 01:13:42,085 --> 01:13:44,487 yeah, he was done, he was done. 1568 01:13:44,488 --> 01:13:48,391 He had fulfilled his obligation with Death Row. 1569 01:13:50,393 --> 01:13:54,564 And no intentions of renewing any sort of paper agreement. 1570 01:14:27,931 --> 01:14:31,867 If David Kenner or Suge Knight 1571 01:14:31,868 --> 01:14:34,503 or anyone else that was upset with Tupac, 1572 01:14:34,504 --> 01:14:37,172 what do you think they would have done? 1573 01:14:37,173 --> 01:14:39,575 Institutionalize Tupac. 1574 01:14:39,576 --> 01:14:43,779 Have his appeal bond revoked, for some reason. 1575 01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:45,347 They would have no reason to kill him 1576 01:14:45,348 --> 01:14:46,915 or anything like that. 1577 01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:49,518 They would just have him go back to jail, 1578 01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:51,654 and humble him a bit. 1579 01:15:00,463 --> 01:15:01,997 According to Reggie Wright, 1580 01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:03,498 if Tupac got out of line, 1581 01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:06,368 we'll just throw him back in jail, and humiliate him. 1582 01:15:06,369 --> 01:15:07,636 Humble him a little. 1583 01:15:07,637 --> 01:15:09,738 Isn't that what they did to Kevin Gaines? 1584 01:15:09,739 --> 01:15:11,974 Isn't that what they did to Snoop Dogg? 1585 01:15:11,975 --> 01:15:14,577 And Seldon is down on his stomach. 1586 01:15:14,578 --> 01:15:15,511 And that's it. 1587 01:15:15,512 --> 01:15:18,614 It's over in the first round. 1588 01:15:18,615 --> 01:15:21,984 Tyson was Pac's homeboy, and to, you know, 1589 01:15:21,985 --> 01:15:23,586 see Tyson in the ring doing his thing, 1590 01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:26,756 you know, whooping up on Bruce Seldon. 1591 01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:30,559 Pac was excited, you know, he was jumping up, and he was, 1592 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,728 you know, saying what he was saying, 1593 01:15:32,729 --> 01:15:35,430 you know, everybody getting excited about a fight. 1594 01:15:35,431 --> 01:15:39,368 And that continued from the seats into the back 1595 01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:44,840 of the, the area where the boxers come back in 1596 01:15:44,841 --> 01:15:46,274 after the fight is over. 1597 01:15:46,275 --> 01:15:48,510 And he, you know, got back there, and he's just going off, 1598 01:15:48,511 --> 01:15:51,013 you know, man, 50 blows, 50 man, 1599 01:15:51,014 --> 01:15:54,482 he knocked him out with 50 blows, you know, blah blah blah. 1600 01:15:54,483 --> 01:15:56,118 That was it, that was it. 1601 01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:58,020 That was the excitement of that fight, 1602 01:15:58,021 --> 01:15:59,554 that was Pac's excitement behind it. 1603 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:01,223 Mike Tyson never came in the back, 1604 01:16:01,224 --> 01:16:03,659 so we never met up with Mike. 1605 01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:04,860 We ended up leaving. 1606 01:16:04,861 --> 01:16:08,097 As we left out of the fight arena area, 1607 01:16:09,232 --> 01:16:12,435 as we got out into the casino area again, 1608 01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:17,372 the rest of our entourage was out there waiting on us. 1609 01:16:17,373 --> 01:16:20,508 As we walked up to greet them, 1610 01:16:20,509 --> 01:16:24,681 which would have been, you know, all of Death Row entourage, 1611 01:16:25,715 --> 01:16:28,516 along with Tupac's entourage. 1612 01:16:28,517 --> 01:16:31,787 One of Suge's guys, his name was Trayvon. 1613 01:16:31,788 --> 01:16:35,057 Came over and whispered in Tupac's right ear, 1614 01:16:35,058 --> 01:16:37,225 because I was standing on Tupac's left. 1615 01:16:37,226 --> 01:16:39,161 Tupac took off and ran. 1616 01:16:39,162 --> 01:16:40,195 His governor was broke. 1617 01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:41,664 I took off behind him. 1618 01:16:41,665 --> 01:16:43,766 Your appeal was about to be overturned. 1619 01:16:43,767 --> 01:16:45,901 And the rest of the entourage was behind me. 1620 01:16:45,902 --> 01:16:48,103 He did not want to go back to prison. 1621 01:16:48,104 --> 01:16:49,772 I had never been rat packed before. 1622 01:16:49,773 --> 01:16:53,175 Tupac comes to, at this time, I didn't know who it was. 1623 01:16:53,176 --> 01:16:55,210 Now being Orlando Anderson, 1624 01:16:55,211 --> 01:16:58,781 standing by this planter, just like waiting. 1625 01:16:58,782 --> 01:17:01,684 Why would you have people mad at you and upset 1626 01:17:01,685 --> 01:17:03,952 if they're holding your freedom in their hands. 1627 01:17:03,953 --> 01:17:05,821 It was a setup. 1628 01:17:05,822 --> 01:17:08,356 Tupac had a big tour still to do. 1629 01:17:08,357 --> 01:17:09,357 They're holding your freedom. 1630 01:17:09,358 --> 01:17:11,761 They're holding your freedom. 1631 01:17:13,162 --> 01:17:15,831 Pac just ran up on him, and, 1632 01:17:15,832 --> 01:17:18,266 and Orlando Anderson swung back. 1633 01:17:18,267 --> 01:17:21,269 At this time, Pac's medallion broke. 1634 01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:23,471 When he reached out to grab the medallion, 1635 01:17:23,472 --> 01:17:26,842 I grabbed him and got him out of the fight. 1636 01:17:26,843 --> 01:17:28,343 By the time the entourage who was 1637 01:17:28,344 --> 01:17:31,013 behind me had gotten there, 1638 01:17:31,014 --> 01:17:34,116 the footage that is from the MGM everyone sees, 1639 01:17:34,117 --> 01:17:35,718 Orlando Anderson is on the ground, 1640 01:17:35,719 --> 01:17:37,953 everybody's kicking at him, beating him down or whatever. 1641 01:17:37,954 --> 01:17:41,123 Because I knew the way through the MGM 1642 01:17:41,124 --> 01:17:43,759 'cause I was in the MGM walking around earlier, 1643 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,429 looking for everyone, I knew how to walk us out 1644 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:49,397 of the MGM to the entrance. 1645 01:17:49,398 --> 01:17:51,199 And I walked us out of the entrance, 1646 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,335 as the tape shows, I'm in front, 1647 01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:56,404 Pac and Suge and everybody is following me now. 1648 01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:57,806 After the beating there seems to 1649 01:17:57,807 --> 01:17:59,207 be a divergence of stories. 1650 01:17:59,208 --> 01:18:01,276 On one hand, some people say that 1651 01:18:01,277 --> 01:18:04,813 Orlando Anderson left the MGM to go on and do other things. 1652 01:18:04,814 --> 01:18:07,349 But witness Corey Edwards actually said 1653 01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:09,752 that Orlando Anderson stayed at the bar. 1654 01:18:09,753 --> 01:18:11,519 Corey Edwards was there with friends, 1655 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,521 as was Orlando Anderson. 1656 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:16,058 And if Orlando Anderson was in fact at that bar, 1657 01:18:16,059 --> 01:18:18,160 according to Corey Edwards, you don't think 1658 01:18:18,161 --> 01:18:20,028 the Las Vegas police department would have 1659 01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:22,630 checked the closed circuit cameras at the MGM, 1660 01:18:22,631 --> 01:18:25,300 to find out whether that was true? 1661 01:18:25,301 --> 01:18:27,469 Well, Russell Poole said they did. 1662 01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:30,672 And Russell Poole said that that was true. 1663 01:18:33,777 --> 01:18:36,544 After the fight that occurred at the MGM, 1664 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,346 we got to the Luxor. 1665 01:18:38,347 --> 01:18:41,483 The crowd was all outside all of the, 1666 01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,485 you know, groupies and everything. 1667 01:18:43,486 --> 01:18:45,453 As I walked to the car with them, 1668 01:18:45,454 --> 01:18:48,490 the first thought in my mind was, 1669 01:18:48,491 --> 01:18:50,993 my weapon is in my car. 1670 01:18:50,994 --> 01:18:54,629 My car is on the other side of the Luxor hotel. 1671 01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:56,865 I wasn't gonna tell Tupac and tell Suge, 1672 01:18:56,866 --> 01:18:58,733 oh, wait one minute, I have to run over 1673 01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,469 to my car and get my gun. 1674 01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:04,873 Well, how come you don't have your gun on you? 1675 01:19:04,874 --> 01:19:06,508 Well, Reggie told us not to. 1676 01:19:06,509 --> 01:19:08,410 You took a fall because you didn't have your gun, 1677 01:19:08,411 --> 01:19:09,744 you should have had your gun. 1678 01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,179 You know what, man? 1679 01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,881 You see, now we have conflicting stories, then. 1680 01:19:12,882 --> 01:19:14,316 Because we were told... I told you that? 1681 01:19:14,317 --> 01:19:17,886 You're saying, I told y'all, at least in the car. 1682 01:19:17,887 --> 01:19:19,855 You could carry that gun with you. 1683 01:19:19,856 --> 01:19:21,389 Exactly, there you go. 1684 01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:22,991 You said, leave 'em in the car. 1685 01:19:22,992 --> 01:19:25,260 It ponders through me all the time, 1686 01:19:25,261 --> 01:19:27,529 what if I could have done something? 1687 01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:29,564 Then I would have really been the hero 1688 01:19:29,565 --> 01:19:32,000 that Suge Knight once thought I was. 1689 01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:34,136 When Snoop's trailer got shot up. 1690 01:19:34,137 --> 01:19:38,640 I put myself in this position in my mind many times. 1691 01:19:43,446 --> 01:19:46,715 To say what if I would have had my gun. 1692 01:19:48,017 --> 01:19:49,918 While I was working at 662, 1693 01:19:49,919 --> 01:19:52,154 I heard something over the Nextels 1694 01:19:52,155 --> 01:19:53,989 that we all carried for security. 1695 01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,924 And what I heard was, got 'em. 1696 01:19:55,925 --> 01:19:57,260 Got 'em. Got 'em. 1697 01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:01,729 Michael talks about hearing 1698 01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:03,398 something over the radio. 1699 01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:05,901 Well, he would have heard it over Reggie's radio, 1700 01:20:05,902 --> 01:20:08,136 because he wouldn't have had a radio that night. 1701 01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:11,039 Then someone else came on the radio and said, 1702 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,808 hey, don't say nothing over the radio. 1703 01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,245 Which was the Nextels we were using, radio to radio. 1704 01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:21,116 And I just clearly heard somebody say, 1705 01:20:21,117 --> 01:20:22,650 don't say that over the radio. 1706 01:20:22,651 --> 01:20:26,021 But the person who said it was not homeboy security. 1707 01:20:26,022 --> 01:20:28,156 Nor was it one of our security guards. 1708 01:20:28,157 --> 01:20:30,825 It was, to me, would be like a stranger. 1709 01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:34,196 Someone, and the person that said that was Caucasian. 1710 01:20:34,197 --> 01:20:35,964 Definitely not African-American. 1711 01:20:35,965 --> 01:20:37,465 Oh, no, you know. 1712 01:20:37,466 --> 01:20:39,935 We've been getting that, even, we were in the cab, 1713 01:20:39,936 --> 01:20:43,872 and we heard, you know, something happened. 1714 01:20:43,873 --> 01:20:45,908 Tupac, somebody was like, you know, 1715 01:20:45,909 --> 01:20:48,210 over the radio, oh those rappers, Tupac, something, 1716 01:20:48,211 --> 01:20:50,045 you know, people have been shot. 1717 01:20:50,046 --> 01:20:51,947 I was like oh no, I'm like, pull over, you know. 1718 01:20:51,948 --> 01:20:53,849 I'm like, calling Yaas. 1719 01:20:55,018 --> 01:20:56,885 I'm like, is everything okay? 1720 01:20:56,886 --> 01:20:59,721 And she found, she calls, says no, go to the hospital. 1721 01:20:59,722 --> 01:21:01,056 She told me where the hospital was, 1722 01:21:01,057 --> 01:21:02,524 we went to the hospital. 1723 01:21:02,525 --> 01:21:06,461 And then I also remember seeing, you know, 1724 01:21:06,462 --> 01:21:09,064 Suge roll by on the gurney with a little Band-Aid 1725 01:21:09,065 --> 01:21:12,000 on his head, and I was like, what happened? 1726 01:21:12,001 --> 01:21:13,169 They missed. 1727 01:21:15,138 --> 01:21:16,139 They missed. 1728 01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:22,544 All of the planning that they put into the operation, 1729 01:21:22,545 --> 01:21:24,947 they shot tons of rounds into that car. 1730 01:21:24,948 --> 01:21:28,116 To the point where everybody thought that they were dead. 1731 01:21:28,117 --> 01:21:31,186 But at the end of the day, they missed. 1732 01:21:31,187 --> 01:21:35,358 After the shooting occurred on September 7th that evening, 1733 01:21:37,826 --> 01:21:41,363 I don't understand something that occurred. 1734 01:21:41,364 --> 01:21:44,499 Trayvon, after we were questioned by 1735 01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:49,037 the homicide detectives, went back over to Club 662. 1736 01:21:49,038 --> 01:21:52,040 If he cared so much about Pac, 1737 01:21:52,041 --> 01:21:54,142 why didn't he go to the hospital? 1738 01:21:54,143 --> 01:21:56,744 It didn't really seem to register on anybody's radar, 1739 01:21:56,745 --> 01:21:58,480 that it might have been an attempted 1740 01:21:58,481 --> 01:22:00,148 assassination on Suge Knight. 1741 01:22:00,149 --> 01:22:03,385 Suge was at the hospital, Pac was at the hospital. 1742 01:22:03,386 --> 01:22:07,390 How come everyone that supposedly had loved Pac, 1743 01:22:08,491 --> 01:22:11,126 other than his family, the Outlawz. 1744 01:22:11,127 --> 01:22:13,795 This is about selling a narrative. 1745 01:22:13,796 --> 01:22:15,397 They tried to sell a narrative to 1746 01:22:15,398 --> 01:22:17,765 the Las Vegas police and it didn't work. 1747 01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:20,002 They tried to sell the same narrative 1748 01:22:20,003 --> 01:22:23,105 through Chuck Phillips at the Los Angeles Times. 1749 01:22:23,106 --> 01:22:24,639 And that didn't work. 1750 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,175 They tried to sell the narrative through 1751 01:22:27,176 --> 01:22:30,878 the Wallace investigation and the Wallace civil suit, 1752 01:22:30,879 --> 01:22:32,580 through Waymond Anderson. 1753 01:22:32,581 --> 01:22:34,983 And then they tried the last round, 1754 01:22:34,984 --> 01:22:37,820 to sell it through an ex-LAPD cop, 1755 01:22:38,687 --> 01:22:41,356 in a book called Murder Rap. 1756 01:22:41,357 --> 01:22:43,125 How come everybody didn't go to the hospital? 1757 01:22:43,126 --> 01:22:44,692 What happened? 1758 01:22:44,693 --> 01:22:46,061 I don't understand that. 1759 01:22:46,062 --> 01:22:48,463 So now we're in damage control mode. 1760 01:22:48,464 --> 01:22:50,999 Suge Knight got shot at, and he lived. 1761 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,634 Now what the hell are we gonna do? 1762 01:22:52,635 --> 01:22:54,802 Because you've got somebody asking questions, 1763 01:22:54,803 --> 01:22:56,271 and we don't have an answer. 1764 01:22:56,272 --> 01:22:58,140 I had Newsweek and Time, I had all of them, 1765 01:22:58,141 --> 01:23:02,144 majors, magazines and newspapers coming to Club 662. 1766 01:23:02,145 --> 01:23:03,378 They gotta make up a story. 1767 01:23:03,379 --> 01:23:05,280 They gotta come up with something. 1768 01:23:05,281 --> 01:23:08,650 Because after the fight Tupac was going to entertain. 1769 01:23:08,651 --> 01:23:11,053 You have the attempted assassination of the head of 1770 01:23:11,054 --> 01:23:15,223 arguably the largest record label at that time. 1771 01:23:15,224 --> 01:23:16,391 Now, if this were David Geffen, 1772 01:23:16,392 --> 01:23:18,460 or any other big record label executive, 1773 01:23:18,461 --> 01:23:20,095 there'd be cops falling all over themselves 1774 01:23:20,096 --> 01:23:22,030 to try to investigate this. 1775 01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:25,167 But, it didn't seem to work that way. 1776 01:23:25,168 --> 01:23:27,902 So then I went and, to see Tupac, 1777 01:23:27,903 --> 01:23:29,371 they wouldn't let me close to Tupac, 1778 01:23:29,372 --> 01:23:31,506 but they did let me see in there. 1779 01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:34,109 So that's when Kenner came to me, 1780 01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:37,945 and said, do you have keys to Death Row, to the offices? 1781 01:23:37,946 --> 01:23:40,748 He said, well then you get on the next thing smoking, 1782 01:23:40,749 --> 01:23:42,650 you know, hey, do you need some money? 1783 01:23:42,651 --> 01:23:44,786 I said, no, I got money. 1784 01:23:44,787 --> 01:23:46,054 And go back to LA. 1785 01:23:46,055 --> 01:23:48,022 So Suge Knight goes back to Los Angeles 1786 01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:51,294 and has a meeting at Death Row Records. 1787 01:23:52,928 --> 01:23:55,063 Suge called a meeting, all the artists 1788 01:23:55,064 --> 01:23:57,065 were instructed to come to this meeting, 1789 01:23:57,066 --> 01:24:00,068 and certain security was invited. 1790 01:24:00,069 --> 01:24:01,669 And I happened to be one of 'em. 1791 01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:05,039 But prior to going into the meeting with Suge 1792 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,142 and all the artists from Death Row, 1793 01:24:07,143 --> 01:24:09,577 Reggie met with us out front in his own meeting. 1794 01:24:09,578 --> 01:24:12,280 But I'm gonna add something to that. 1795 01:24:12,281 --> 01:24:14,850 We were also instructed to lie. 1796 01:24:16,051 --> 01:24:18,986 By Reggie Wright, to Suge. 1797 01:24:18,987 --> 01:24:20,988 But if I'm Suge Knight, 1798 01:24:20,989 --> 01:24:22,357 and somebody takes a shot at me, 1799 01:24:22,358 --> 01:24:23,925 regardless of who else is in the car, 1800 01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:25,360 they're shooting at me. 1801 01:24:25,361 --> 01:24:28,430 I wanna know who shot at me, and why. 1802 01:24:28,431 --> 01:24:31,032 And the reason we were instructed to lie, 1803 01:24:31,033 --> 01:24:35,204 was because Reggie Wright told us not to carry any weapons. 1804 01:24:36,339 --> 01:24:37,939 What did they do? 1805 01:24:37,940 --> 01:24:39,341 They lie. 1806 01:24:39,342 --> 01:24:43,378 So, I have, by me just looking at what Reggie told me, 1807 01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:47,081 I'm thinking that Mr. Knight was unaware. 1808 01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:48,850 More importantly, I wanna know 1809 01:24:48,851 --> 01:24:50,652 how far down this rabbit hole goes. 1810 01:24:50,653 --> 01:24:53,755 The meeting was basically about what happened, 1811 01:24:53,756 --> 01:24:56,524 and the artists were drilling security 1812 01:24:56,525 --> 01:24:59,561 about what methods we had used, 1813 01:24:59,562 --> 01:25:01,028 and what were some of our tactics. 1814 01:25:01,029 --> 01:25:02,497 And we know from looking at the statement that 1815 01:25:02,498 --> 01:25:04,966 Suge Knight gave to the Las Vegas Police Department, 1816 01:25:04,967 --> 01:25:07,335 that he fully expected that Frank Alexander 1817 01:25:07,336 --> 01:25:08,770 and every other bodyguard there 1818 01:25:08,771 --> 01:25:10,372 was to carry their weapons. 1819 01:25:10,373 --> 01:25:11,739 So whatever the case might have been, 1820 01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:13,675 Suge Knight didn't get the message. 1821 01:25:13,676 --> 01:25:15,643 I looked around, and no one said it. 1822 01:25:15,644 --> 01:25:17,279 No one was speaking up for security. 1823 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,381 So I'm Suge Knight, and I'm asking myself, 1824 01:25:19,382 --> 01:25:20,982 who the hell is shooting at me and why? 1825 01:25:20,983 --> 01:25:23,050 And who's the first person I'm gonna ask? 1826 01:25:23,051 --> 01:25:25,453 My head of security, Reggie Wright Jr. 1827 01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:28,923 And it looked like Reggie wasn't going to 1828 01:25:28,924 --> 01:25:31,327 say that information to them. 1829 01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:40,602 The driver appeared to be hit 1830 01:25:40,603 --> 01:25:43,705 with a fragment in the head area. 1831 01:25:43,706 --> 01:25:47,409 At this time the wounds are life-threatening. 1832 01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:50,278 Serious, not in critical condition at this time. 1833 01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:52,380 Homicide detectives are very busy right now. 1834 01:25:52,381 --> 01:25:54,148 He has numerous injuries. 1835 01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,050 He has multiple gunshot wounds to the chest 1836 01:25:56,051 --> 01:25:58,119 and so, yes, that's always a possibility 1837 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,688 that a lung could be hit, a lung could collapse. 1838 01:26:00,689 --> 01:26:02,123 Or there could be other internal injuries 1839 01:26:02,124 --> 01:26:05,493 that might need additional attention in the OR. 1840 01:26:05,494 --> 01:26:07,762 Kevin Hackie shows up in Las Vegas, 1841 01:26:07,763 --> 01:26:09,897 and he's got a lot of questions as to what's happening. 1842 01:26:09,898 --> 01:26:11,165 I was in the hospital. 1843 01:26:11,166 --> 01:26:13,034 His eyes, you could tell he was sedated. 1844 01:26:13,035 --> 01:26:15,036 So I mean, obviously, his pupils were open, 1845 01:26:15,037 --> 01:26:17,038 but there was, there was no movement there. 1846 01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:19,106 I actually started crying. 1847 01:26:19,107 --> 01:26:21,743 I mean, I was caught up, I liked the kid. 1848 01:26:21,744 --> 01:26:23,177 But Kevin Hackie gets into a scrape 1849 01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:25,547 with Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, 1850 01:26:25,548 --> 01:26:27,449 when he reveals to them that he may be involved 1851 01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:29,984 with a federal law enforcement agency. 1852 01:26:29,985 --> 01:26:32,687 I did work undercover for the FBI 1853 01:26:32,688 --> 01:26:35,557 and ATF during my tenure with Death Row Records 1854 01:26:35,558 --> 01:26:37,225 and Wright Way Protective Services. 1855 01:26:37,226 --> 01:26:38,826 There was a report that was written 1856 01:26:38,827 --> 01:26:40,928 by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department 1857 01:26:40,929 --> 01:26:42,997 about the altercation with Kevin Hackie. 1858 01:26:42,998 --> 01:26:45,433 The Las Vegas Metropoitan Police Department 1859 01:26:45,434 --> 01:26:47,502 wasn't concerned about anybody's safety, 1860 01:26:47,503 --> 01:26:49,837 but they were more concerned about the public relations 1861 01:26:49,838 --> 01:26:52,139 of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, 1862 01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:54,842 and strangely, the public relations 1863 01:26:54,843 --> 01:26:57,178 of the Compton Police Department. 1864 01:26:57,179 --> 01:26:58,946 Now since Compton wasn't gonna be involved 1865 01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:01,048 in the case for several days later, 1866 01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:03,918 why would the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department 1867 01:27:03,919 --> 01:27:05,820 be so concerned about the public relations 1868 01:27:05,821 --> 01:27:09,691 of the Compton Police Department, if they weren't there yet? 1869 01:27:09,692 --> 01:27:13,862 A CEO of a company, or the wife of somebody being murdered 1870 01:27:16,098 --> 01:27:18,900 is one kind of investigation, but now you're talking about 1871 01:27:18,901 --> 01:27:22,370 something where there was all kinds of 1872 01:27:22,371 --> 01:27:24,171 alleged baggage involved. 1873 01:27:24,172 --> 01:27:25,607 This is where you begin to see 1874 01:27:25,608 --> 01:27:27,575 Compton Police Department inject themselves 1875 01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:30,211 into the middle of the Las Vegas investigation 1876 01:27:30,212 --> 01:27:33,581 under the false pretense that it's a gang activity. 1877 01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:37,519 And again, that first night, I don't think he was 1878 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,987 totally forthcoming on everything he knew. 1879 01:27:39,988 --> 01:27:42,490 So they approach Frank Alexander to basically 1880 01:27:42,491 --> 01:27:44,326 lie to the Vegas Police Department, 1881 01:27:44,327 --> 01:27:47,161 and tell them that a chain was actually snatched 1882 01:27:47,162 --> 01:27:49,531 the day of the shooting, September 6th, 1883 01:27:49,532 --> 01:27:50,765 earlier that morning. 1884 01:27:50,766 --> 01:27:53,668 And that was the story that was concocted then. 1885 01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:55,503 It happened that day. 1886 01:27:55,504 --> 01:27:57,038 Nothing about the Lakewood Mall, 1887 01:27:57,039 --> 01:27:59,741 and nothing about anything happening months earlier. 1888 01:27:59,742 --> 01:28:01,343 It was all happening that day. 1889 01:28:01,344 --> 01:28:03,745 And that's what they told Frank Alexander to tell the cops, 1890 01:28:03,746 --> 01:28:05,680 and that's what Frank Alexander told the cops. 1891 01:28:05,681 --> 01:28:07,782 Every time I think it's over, 1892 01:28:07,783 --> 01:28:10,519 they drag me right back in again. 1893 01:28:12,655 --> 01:28:14,822 And later on when Frank Alexander is asked 1894 01:28:14,823 --> 01:28:18,926 to repeat that story again, he refuses. 1895 01:28:18,927 --> 01:28:21,496 We were supposed to went down to Vegas, 1896 01:28:21,497 --> 01:28:24,666 me, you, and Malcolm, 'cause Malcolm could ID the person. 1897 01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:28,536 We're supposed to send you and him down to ID, 1898 01:28:28,537 --> 01:28:30,171 you know, to look at the pictures, 1899 01:28:30,172 --> 01:28:31,706 'cause they had a suspect. 1900 01:28:31,707 --> 01:28:33,975 And that's when they were, had Orlando as a suspect. 1901 01:28:33,976 --> 01:28:35,443 And they were gonna have y'all look 1902 01:28:35,444 --> 01:28:38,112 at the pictures before then to see if maybe that, 1903 01:28:38,113 --> 01:28:42,284 you know, made your memory get better or whatever. 1904 01:28:44,387 --> 01:28:46,187 Say you can describe somebody. 1905 01:28:46,188 --> 01:28:48,823 But once you see a picture, oh yeah, that's him. 1906 01:28:48,824 --> 01:28:50,625 So that's what they would have you to do, 1907 01:28:50,626 --> 01:28:52,159 and that's what David told them, 1908 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,764 that we had two witnesses that uh, maybe could help you out 1909 01:28:56,765 --> 01:28:58,366 and put some things in the right. 1910 01:28:58,367 --> 01:29:00,334 And, plus the statement that you gave 1911 01:29:00,335 --> 01:29:03,070 about the chain and all of that, you know, 1912 01:29:03,071 --> 01:29:06,408 with the additional information. 1913 01:29:06,409 --> 01:29:07,775 And when he refuses, 1914 01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:10,612 the story begins to evolve a little bit. 1915 01:29:10,613 --> 01:29:13,481 It doesn't become that the chain was snatched that day. 1916 01:29:13,482 --> 01:29:15,182 It becomes that the chain was snatched 1917 01:29:15,183 --> 01:29:16,684 several months earlier. 1918 01:29:16,685 --> 01:29:21,122 His head of security is an ex-Compton police officer. 1919 01:29:21,123 --> 01:29:23,891 It's suspected that you have Compton gang members 1920 01:29:23,892 --> 01:29:25,860 that came up there to do a shooting, 1921 01:29:25,861 --> 01:29:27,395 gang land style shooting. 1922 01:29:27,396 --> 01:29:31,365 And yet, and still, who's heading up the investigation? 1923 01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,901 You have a lieutenant from Compton Police. 1924 01:29:33,902 --> 01:29:38,205 Just whole, this whole thing, it smells from high hell. 1925 01:29:38,206 --> 01:29:43,077 Hundreds of hours of investigation was spent 1926 01:29:43,078 --> 01:29:45,947 on the narrative that said that 1927 01:29:45,948 --> 01:29:48,683 this guy murdered this other person. 1928 01:29:48,684 --> 01:29:52,554 That narrative came from the powers to be. 1929 01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:54,255 There's a Compton police officer by the name of 1930 01:29:54,256 --> 01:29:57,024 Tim Brennan who is a protege of Reggie Wright Sr. 1931 01:29:57,025 --> 01:29:58,560 Well, Tim Brennan is the first one 1932 01:29:58,561 --> 01:30:00,828 that comes up in this investigation with 1933 01:30:00,829 --> 01:30:03,631 the entire concept that a gang was involved, 1934 01:30:03,632 --> 01:30:06,400 and that Orlando Anderson was actually the shooter. 1935 01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:09,170 Tim Brennan and Bobby Ladd run around talking about 1936 01:30:09,171 --> 01:30:12,507 what great guys Reggie Wright Sr. And Hourie Taylor were, 1937 01:30:12,508 --> 01:30:14,275 and of course this is the same Reggie Wright Sr. 1938 01:30:14,276 --> 01:30:16,177 That the Compton Police Department says 1939 01:30:16,178 --> 01:30:18,480 is in charge of both the gangs and the drugs, 1940 01:30:18,481 --> 01:30:20,915 and drugs are disappearing from the evidence locker. 1941 01:30:20,916 --> 01:30:23,050 And the same Hourie Taylor, that's the one 1942 01:30:23,051 --> 01:30:25,853 that has two keys of cocaine fall out of his locker 1943 01:30:25,854 --> 01:30:28,723 when they investigate him after being suspended. 1944 01:30:28,724 --> 01:30:30,825 You know, so obviously from a law enforcement agency 1945 01:30:30,826 --> 01:30:33,327 looking in to this, to all of a sudden, 1946 01:30:33,328 --> 01:30:34,629 there's war in Compton. 1947 01:30:34,630 --> 01:30:37,064 I mean, you know, calls were made, you know. 1948 01:30:37,065 --> 01:30:39,901 So, quote unquote, you know, alleged crip members 1949 01:30:39,902 --> 01:30:41,936 whatever were killed left and right. 1950 01:30:41,937 --> 01:30:44,438 But from Las Vegas standpoint, 1951 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,373 I mean, the whole thing smells. 1952 01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:48,876 Tim Brennan lays the entire Orlando Anderson theory 1953 01:30:48,877 --> 01:30:51,579 smack down in the middle of the investigation, 1954 01:30:51,580 --> 01:30:54,716 and uses a couple of confidential informants, 1955 01:30:54,717 --> 01:30:57,552 and we have no idea of their reliability. 1956 01:30:57,553 --> 01:30:59,053 Oh yeah. 1957 01:30:59,054 --> 01:31:02,256 People you know, embellishing search warrants to get it. 1958 01:31:02,257 --> 01:31:04,191 You know, so they can get it. 1959 01:31:04,192 --> 01:31:07,194 It's not, you know, in my experience it wasn't 1960 01:31:07,195 --> 01:31:10,097 something that was widely done, 1961 01:31:10,098 --> 01:31:13,434 but there were times that you'd hear about it was done. 1962 01:31:13,435 --> 01:31:15,803 But seriously, what are they gonna do? 1963 01:31:15,804 --> 01:31:17,972 They're gonna try to blame somebody else. 1964 01:31:17,973 --> 01:31:21,609 And who are they gonna blame in a hurry? 1965 01:31:21,610 --> 01:31:23,010 They're gonna blame somebody that 1966 01:31:23,011 --> 01:31:24,579 they can't point the finger on. 1967 01:31:24,580 --> 01:31:26,280 Somebody that can't be named individually. 1968 01:31:26,281 --> 01:31:27,815 They're gonna name some entity. 1969 01:31:27,816 --> 01:31:31,987 They're gonna name some group, some people, some gang. 1970 01:31:33,155 --> 01:31:34,822 But at the end of the day, they're gonna lie. 1971 01:31:34,823 --> 01:31:36,490 And they had to get a search warrant, 1972 01:31:36,491 --> 01:31:38,125 and they couldn't come up with, 1973 01:31:38,126 --> 01:31:39,794 you know, the probable cause for it, 1974 01:31:39,795 --> 01:31:43,330 so sometimes it was embellished, or yeah, made up. 1975 01:31:43,331 --> 01:31:45,867 That's what Tim Brennan told me personally. 1976 01:31:45,868 --> 01:31:47,569 He said whenever they're ready, tell 'em that 1977 01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:49,370 when they're ready to know who did it, 1978 01:31:49,371 --> 01:31:50,938 who was in the car, and all that stuff, 1979 01:31:50,939 --> 01:31:52,740 tell 'em we have the evidence, we know who did it, 1980 01:31:52,741 --> 01:31:54,976 we know exactly who was in that car that night. 1981 01:31:54,977 --> 01:31:57,344 And he's basically saying, and I don't wanna start 1982 01:31:57,345 --> 01:31:59,914 the tension between two different departments, 1983 01:31:59,915 --> 01:32:02,516 but he said... Well it's funny because, 1984 01:32:02,517 --> 01:32:06,688 he, everything we had came from Tim Brennan. 1985 01:32:06,689 --> 01:32:10,859 You can't always take what they say 100% true, 1986 01:32:13,862 --> 01:32:16,698 because you always have to look at a motive 1987 01:32:16,699 --> 01:32:19,233 for somebody, why are they saying what they're, 1988 01:32:19,234 --> 01:32:21,202 why are they telling me what they're telling me? 1989 01:32:21,203 --> 01:32:22,436 Do they have a motive? 1990 01:32:22,437 --> 01:32:25,372 You have to understand the absurdity of this. 1991 01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:28,576 The entire narrative being manufactured 1992 01:32:28,577 --> 01:32:29,977 is for a reason. 1993 01:32:29,978 --> 01:32:32,580 You have to solicit a response from the judge. 1994 01:32:32,581 --> 01:32:35,282 You have to get the judge to believe the story. 1995 01:32:35,283 --> 01:32:37,619 Is there some reason why they're doing this? 1996 01:32:37,620 --> 01:32:40,922 'Cause I mean, it may be something other than the truth. 1997 01:32:40,923 --> 01:32:42,824 If they had told the judge, hey, 1998 01:32:42,825 --> 01:32:45,126 there's just some random arm that came out of a car, 1999 01:32:45,127 --> 01:32:46,794 we really don't know who it is, 2000 01:32:46,795 --> 01:32:48,930 and we really don't know who is responsible for it, 2001 01:32:48,931 --> 01:32:50,832 and it may or may not have been related 2002 01:32:50,833 --> 01:32:53,167 to a chain-snatch earlier that day, 2003 01:32:53,168 --> 01:32:56,037 or two months earlier, and we're really not sure of that. 2004 01:32:56,038 --> 01:32:57,571 There's not a very good likelihood 2005 01:32:57,572 --> 01:32:59,473 that that judge is gonna sign that search warrant. 2006 01:32:59,474 --> 01:33:02,009 They may, they don't like him. 2007 01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:03,310 They don't like the individual, 2008 01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:04,812 or they got something against the individual, 2009 01:33:04,813 --> 01:33:09,016 or somebody told 'em, I need you to pin this guy. 2010 01:33:09,017 --> 01:33:11,853 And no witness to the Tupac Shakur fight at the MGM 2011 01:33:11,854 --> 01:33:14,221 said anything about Tupac saying anything, 2012 01:33:14,222 --> 01:33:16,724 especially the line are you from the south. 2013 01:33:16,725 --> 01:33:19,827 Cops do it all the time. 2014 01:33:19,828 --> 01:33:22,329 That was intentionally added to the search warrant 2015 01:33:22,330 --> 01:33:24,932 to give it a flavor of contradiction, 2016 01:33:24,933 --> 01:33:28,670 and to identify the south with the Southside Crips. 2017 01:33:28,671 --> 01:33:31,739 And this was to make it appear gang-motivated. 2018 01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:33,775 When a judge signs a search warrant, 2019 01:33:33,776 --> 01:33:36,443 that judge is absolutely relying upon 2020 01:33:36,444 --> 01:33:38,479 the representations made in the affidavit. 2021 01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,848 And the affidavit has to be under oath. 2022 01:33:40,849 --> 01:33:42,917 It's important to understand that 2023 01:33:42,918 --> 01:33:45,953 this kind of a false narrative emphasizes 2024 01:33:45,954 --> 01:33:47,689 the fact that there was a fight, 2025 01:33:47,690 --> 01:33:51,225 and it made it Tupac versus the Southside Crips. 2026 01:33:51,226 --> 01:33:53,695 So it set up the big fight. 2027 01:33:53,696 --> 01:33:56,263 The judge is relying upon the 2028 01:33:56,264 --> 01:33:59,466 veracity and truthfulness of that police officer. 2029 01:33:59,467 --> 01:34:00,968 The statements made by Tim Brennan 2030 01:34:00,969 --> 01:34:02,436 were not simply academic. 2031 01:34:02,437 --> 01:34:04,739 They were actually made for an intended purpose 2032 01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:07,608 and for a reason that that judge would have to buy later. 2033 01:34:07,609 --> 01:34:11,078 And there are times, and I was a judge myself, 2034 01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:15,049 where you get the call at 2:30, 3:00 in the morning, 2035 01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:18,185 from the drug enforcement officers, 2036 01:34:18,186 --> 01:34:19,954 that they want to come to your house 2037 01:34:19,955 --> 01:34:21,488 and have you sign a search warrant. 2038 01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:23,390 It's like, when we serve the search warrant 2039 01:34:23,391 --> 01:34:28,195 on my undercover operation, the affidavit was this thick. 2040 01:34:28,196 --> 01:34:30,197 The affidavit says that somebody got out 2041 01:34:30,198 --> 01:34:32,934 of the car and started talking shit. 2042 01:34:32,935 --> 01:34:34,201 Well, that didn't happen. 2043 01:34:34,202 --> 01:34:35,870 No witness ever said that that happened. 2044 01:34:35,871 --> 01:34:37,604 And if you really go back to think about 2045 01:34:37,605 --> 01:34:39,774 the amount of work that that would've involved, 2046 01:34:39,775 --> 01:34:41,642 it asks a whole lot more questions. 2047 01:34:41,643 --> 01:34:44,111 And you gotta make darn sure, as a judge, 2048 01:34:44,112 --> 01:34:47,048 that you're attentive, you're attuned to 2049 01:34:47,049 --> 01:34:49,817 what they're doing, and you have some clarity. 2050 01:34:49,818 --> 01:34:52,586 Well, if all your facts are based upon 2051 01:34:52,587 --> 01:34:56,090 the opinion or assumptions of other individuals 2052 01:34:56,091 --> 01:35:00,461 and you have no confirmation of that by other witnesses, 2053 01:35:00,462 --> 01:35:02,496 then you're going to go back and you're going to 2054 01:35:02,497 --> 01:35:04,365 put your affidavit together, and you say, 2055 01:35:04,366 --> 01:35:08,836 I am swearing to these truths that were given to me. 2056 01:35:08,837 --> 01:35:10,972 And these truths may not be truth. 2057 01:35:10,973 --> 01:35:12,907 They're only opinions and assumptions. 2058 01:35:12,908 --> 01:35:14,375 For example, if someone got out 2059 01:35:14,376 --> 01:35:16,610 of the passenger side of a stopped car and walked 2060 01:35:16,611 --> 01:35:19,013 all the way around the front of that car or around 2061 01:35:19,014 --> 01:35:22,083 the back of that car talking shit and holding a gun, 2062 01:35:22,084 --> 01:35:24,819 that the bodyguards would have reacted to that. 2063 01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:26,353 But it didn't happen. 2064 01:35:26,354 --> 01:35:29,423 So, the detective that is getting the information 2065 01:35:29,424 --> 01:35:31,827 must be able to confirm or to 2066 01:35:34,096 --> 01:35:38,266 have other evidentiary value to verify them as truths. 2067 01:35:40,068 --> 01:35:42,870 In my era, if I was caught lying, 2068 01:35:42,871 --> 01:35:44,305 it would have been the end of my career. 2069 01:35:44,306 --> 01:35:45,840 I would have been fired. 2070 01:35:45,841 --> 01:35:48,009 They wouldn't have whitewashed it, they would have fired me. 2071 01:35:48,010 --> 01:35:50,711 Each one of the statements made in Tim Brennan's affidavit 2072 01:35:50,712 --> 01:35:54,048 that were incorrect were not made accidentally. 2073 01:35:54,049 --> 01:35:56,417 They were made intentionally. 2074 01:35:56,418 --> 01:35:58,786 And the reason that they were made intentionally 2075 01:35:58,787 --> 01:36:02,423 was to alter the meaning of the search warrant. 2076 01:36:02,424 --> 01:36:04,125 They alter the statement. 2077 01:36:04,126 --> 01:36:06,427 It wasn't are you from the south. 2078 01:36:06,428 --> 01:36:08,429 Tupac said nothing like that. 2079 01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:11,632 But if you alter it, and you say, are you from the south, 2080 01:36:11,633 --> 01:36:13,567 that's not just a simple mistake. 2081 01:36:13,568 --> 01:36:16,737 That makes it personal, it makes it argumentative, 2082 01:36:16,738 --> 01:36:18,372 and it makes it actionable. 2083 01:36:18,373 --> 01:36:20,341 They can't use you anymore, 2084 01:36:20,342 --> 01:36:22,977 because you've already lied on the record 2085 01:36:22,978 --> 01:36:25,746 and therefore, you have no credibility anymore, 2086 01:36:25,747 --> 01:36:27,214 so therefore they can't use you. 2087 01:36:27,215 --> 01:36:30,217 And it got to the point where Compton had to do something. 2088 01:36:30,218 --> 01:36:31,518 It began before dawn. 2089 01:36:31,519 --> 01:36:33,787 The crime sweep involved 300 officers, 2090 01:36:33,788 --> 01:36:35,923 10 agencies, including the FBI, 2091 01:36:35,924 --> 01:36:38,993 at more than 37 locations in the Compton, 2092 01:36:38,994 --> 01:36:40,761 Lynwood, and Long Beach areas. 2093 01:36:40,762 --> 01:36:41,996 Based on the affidavit and 2094 01:36:41,997 --> 01:36:43,464 the search warrant of Tim Brennan, 2095 01:36:43,465 --> 01:36:45,732 they go ahead and they do this big gang sweep. 2096 01:36:45,733 --> 01:36:47,301 Well starting out the day, 2097 01:36:47,302 --> 01:36:48,535 he chased me into a house, 2098 01:36:48,536 --> 01:36:50,637 and we recovered some guns out of that house. 2099 01:36:50,638 --> 01:36:53,140 Looking all over Compton for Orlando Anderson. 2100 01:36:53,141 --> 01:36:54,741 But who finds him? 2101 01:36:54,742 --> 01:36:56,043 Tim Brennan. 2102 01:36:56,044 --> 01:36:57,912 So they haul Orlando Anderson in, 2103 01:36:57,913 --> 01:37:00,381 and Vegas police ask him a bunch of questions. 2104 01:37:00,382 --> 01:37:02,183 And what do the Vegas police do? 2105 01:37:02,184 --> 01:37:04,051 They walk away. 2106 01:37:04,052 --> 01:37:05,719 I just don't see the interest. 2107 01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,922 And Tim Brennan and the Compton PD can't figure out 2108 01:37:07,923 --> 01:37:09,290 what the heck's going on. 2109 01:37:09,291 --> 01:37:11,658 We're giving it to you on a silver platter, 2110 01:37:11,659 --> 01:37:13,727 and you're just not buying it. 2111 01:37:13,728 --> 01:37:15,362 I've heard Manning before say that 2112 01:37:15,363 --> 01:37:17,364 while we treat it like any other case, 2113 01:37:17,365 --> 01:37:20,067 that they haven't got any special treatment because, 2114 01:37:20,068 --> 01:37:23,104 he is a celebrity, but I don't know if I buy all that. 2115 01:37:23,105 --> 01:37:25,039 There was an arrest made 2116 01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,840 for the murder of Tupac Shakur. 2117 01:37:26,841 --> 01:37:29,944 It was done by Tim Brennan to Orlando Anderson. 2118 01:37:29,945 --> 01:37:32,213 Yeah, I know the people they need to talk to. 2119 01:37:32,214 --> 01:37:33,714 The, to solve it. 2120 01:37:33,715 --> 01:37:35,282 So suddenly the rhetoric starts. 2121 01:37:35,283 --> 01:37:38,019 Now Las Vegas is incompetent. 2122 01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:40,187 Brent Becker's incompetent. 2123 01:37:40,188 --> 01:37:42,289 Kevin Manning's incompetent. 2124 01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:44,025 Everybody's incompetent. 2125 01:37:44,026 --> 01:37:45,893 The bullshit that everybody says, 2126 01:37:45,894 --> 01:37:47,428 that we didn't do anything. 2127 01:37:47,429 --> 01:37:49,396 They're so far out in left field, they're ridiculous. 2128 01:37:49,397 --> 01:37:52,366 You know and they, and then that's that. 2129 01:37:52,367 --> 01:37:55,502 I've had some problems between Las Vegas and me, 2130 01:37:55,503 --> 01:37:57,771 'cause they don't, you know, like what I've said. 2131 01:37:57,772 --> 01:38:01,876 But you know, I speak the truth. 2132 01:38:03,111 --> 01:38:05,012 In the Tim Brennan search warrant, 2133 01:38:05,013 --> 01:38:07,548 there's mention of several gang members involved, 2134 01:38:07,549 --> 01:38:09,416 and one of those gang members involved 2135 01:38:09,417 --> 01:38:11,652 is a gang member by the name of Danny Patton, 2136 01:38:11,653 --> 01:38:14,088 who also goes by the nickname of White Boy. 2137 01:38:14,089 --> 01:38:16,890 During the service and the execution of this search warrant, 2138 01:38:16,891 --> 01:38:19,593 many, many houses and residences that were involved 2139 01:38:19,594 --> 01:38:21,662 with these gang members were searched, 2140 01:38:21,663 --> 01:38:24,665 with the notable exception of one. 2141 01:38:24,666 --> 01:38:27,935 And that was Danny Patton, AKA White Boy. 2142 01:38:27,936 --> 01:38:29,570 It reminds me of the old statement, 2143 01:38:29,571 --> 01:38:32,373 don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to. 2144 01:38:32,374 --> 01:38:33,640 There are a lot of things 2145 01:38:33,641 --> 01:38:36,710 that no one else knows about. 2146 01:38:36,711 --> 01:38:38,112 The Vegas police department 2147 01:38:38,113 --> 01:38:39,947 knew exactly what was going on. 2148 01:38:39,948 --> 01:38:42,649 It stunk to high heaven and they didn't want any part of it. 2149 01:38:42,650 --> 01:38:45,186 On the way out, Orlando Anderson says to Brent Becker, 2150 01:38:45,187 --> 01:38:46,853 are you going to arrest me? 2151 01:38:46,854 --> 01:38:49,490 Brent Becker says, arrest you for what? 2152 01:38:49,491 --> 01:38:52,159 Do I think we know who did it? 2153 01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:53,627 Yeah. 2154 01:38:53,628 --> 01:38:55,696 And the further and harder that Compton pushed the matter, 2155 01:38:55,697 --> 01:38:58,632 the further the Vegas police backed away, and the further 2156 01:38:58,633 --> 01:39:01,935 that they didn't want anything to do with it. 2157 01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:05,306 Right off the bat, we're wanting to talk to 2158 01:39:05,307 --> 01:39:08,909 the guy that's in the car with Tupac Shakur, Suge Knight. 2159 01:39:08,910 --> 01:39:11,178 And we're working right away with that. 2160 01:39:11,179 --> 01:39:12,679 In fact, the night of the shooting 2161 01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,149 we tried to talk to him but were refused 2162 01:39:15,150 --> 01:39:19,254 access to him by members of Death Row, attorneys. 2163 01:39:21,756 --> 01:39:24,458 And in fact it took three days to 2164 01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:27,161 get to talk to Suge Knight. 2165 01:39:27,162 --> 01:39:29,096 And here's where David Kenner comes into play. 2166 01:39:29,097 --> 01:39:31,265 David Kenner was a former prosecutor 2167 01:39:31,266 --> 01:39:33,667 that suddenly for whatever reason decided 2168 01:39:33,668 --> 01:39:35,636 he wanted to start defending criminals, 2169 01:39:35,637 --> 01:39:36,970 and he became a defense attorney. 2170 01:39:36,971 --> 01:39:39,106 He was a very good defense attorney. 2171 01:39:39,107 --> 01:39:40,674 And we kept getting the run-around, 2172 01:39:40,675 --> 01:39:43,144 yeah, yeah, we'll get you in touch with him, 2173 01:39:43,145 --> 01:39:46,047 yes, we'll do this, yes, we'll do that. 2174 01:39:46,048 --> 01:39:48,449 Who was giving you the run-around? 2175 01:39:48,450 --> 01:39:50,151 David Kenner's office. 2176 01:39:50,152 --> 01:39:52,786 He was actually an umbrella that covered 2177 01:39:52,787 --> 01:39:54,555 a lot of the legal shenanigans that were going on 2178 01:39:54,556 --> 01:39:56,090 at Death Row Records. 2179 01:39:56,091 --> 01:39:59,826 But understand that any shit can change tomorrow. 2180 01:39:59,827 --> 01:40:02,163 Compton PD had one more shot at trying to 2181 01:40:02,164 --> 01:40:05,266 ruin Suge Knight, and that happened in the courtroom. 2182 01:40:05,267 --> 01:40:07,901 They was able to pull, they scheme, 2183 01:40:07,902 --> 01:40:10,971 and they ideas all about me being in prison. 2184 01:40:10,972 --> 01:40:15,076 He had so many people shook on these streets, 2185 01:40:15,077 --> 01:40:19,713 that yo, motherfuckers can't wait 'til he's just gone. 2186 01:40:19,714 --> 01:40:24,418 For good, so they can fully breathe a sigh of relief. 2187 01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:27,454 Because it's two things that I always say, 2188 01:40:27,455 --> 01:40:29,656 being from the ghetto, either they're gonna 2189 01:40:29,657 --> 01:40:33,760 take the money from you, which you be OJ. 2190 01:40:33,761 --> 01:40:35,496 And if they can't take the money from you, 2191 01:40:35,497 --> 01:40:36,963 they take you from the money. 2192 01:40:36,964 --> 01:40:39,233 It's y'all motherfuckers that's scared of him. 2193 01:40:39,234 --> 01:40:42,336 Only way to take you from the money is 2194 01:40:42,337 --> 01:40:45,240 while you die, death, or in prison. 2195 01:40:46,374 --> 01:40:47,841 Yo, motherfuckers can't wait 2196 01:40:47,842 --> 01:40:50,411 'til he's just gone, for good, 2197 01:40:50,412 --> 01:40:54,681 so they can fully breathe a sigh of relief. 2198 01:40:54,682 --> 01:40:56,650 I mean, I feel like they're not gonna rest 2199 01:40:56,651 --> 01:41:00,621 until Suge Knight is dead or in jail. 2200 01:41:00,622 --> 01:41:02,856 Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight 2201 01:41:02,857 --> 01:41:04,592 were kicking Orlando. 2202 01:41:06,528 --> 01:41:09,363 I seen him standing right there helping me. 2203 01:41:09,364 --> 01:41:10,664 He was about the only one. 2204 01:41:10,665 --> 01:41:12,566 He made the comment that Tupac 2205 01:41:12,567 --> 01:41:14,468 and Knight beat him up pretty good. 2206 01:41:14,469 --> 01:41:15,836 And with that, Suge Knight 2207 01:41:15,837 --> 01:41:19,373 is sentenced to nine years in prison. 2208 01:41:24,146 --> 01:41:26,180 So if the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department 2209 01:41:26,181 --> 01:41:29,316 weren't interested in Orlando Anderson as a suspect, 2210 01:41:29,317 --> 01:41:31,285 who were they interested in? 2211 01:41:31,286 --> 01:41:34,388 I think the answer to that question comes in the form 2212 01:41:34,389 --> 01:41:36,990 of logs and notes that were made 2213 01:41:36,991 --> 01:41:40,394 by a police officer on the Los Angeles Police Department 2214 01:41:40,395 --> 01:41:42,529 involving certain incidents that happened 2215 01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:45,399 at Death Row's Can-Am Studios. 2216 01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,068 That officer's name was Knox. 2217 01:41:48,069 --> 01:41:50,137 You're right that Knox is probably the most 2218 01:41:50,138 --> 01:41:52,306 underrepresented character in this story, 2219 01:41:52,307 --> 01:41:54,641 because he was the very first guy to get on the fact that 2220 01:41:54,642 --> 01:41:56,677 there were all these cops working for Death Row Records. 2221 01:41:56,678 --> 01:42:00,046 I can remember talking to Sergio Robledo, 2222 01:42:00,047 --> 01:42:03,284 when they were trying to get, you know, subpoena Knox, 2223 01:42:03,285 --> 01:42:05,352 to, and he said, you know, he's disappeared, 2224 01:42:05,353 --> 01:42:08,822 I mean, the cops have given him a leave of absence, 2225 01:42:08,823 --> 01:42:10,023 he's left the country, 2226 01:42:10,024 --> 01:42:11,858 we've staked out his house, he's never home, 2227 01:42:11,859 --> 01:42:14,195 he hasn't been home in we don't know how long. 2228 01:42:14,196 --> 01:42:17,698 I mean, we cannot get him, the guy we most want. 2229 01:42:17,699 --> 01:42:20,133 And we cannot locate him. 2230 01:42:20,134 --> 01:42:22,035 He sort of stumbled into it. 2231 01:42:22,036 --> 01:42:23,970 He was the senior lead officer, 2232 01:42:23,971 --> 01:42:26,607 which is, it's an elite position, 2233 01:42:26,608 --> 01:42:29,476 and there's just one at every LAPD station. 2234 01:42:29,477 --> 01:42:32,779 He was responding to citizen complaints about activity 2235 01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:34,848 at Death Row's studios. 2236 01:42:34,849 --> 01:42:36,783 People were upset that these gang bangers were 2237 01:42:36,784 --> 01:42:39,586 parking in their driveways, and if they questioned them, 2238 01:42:39,587 --> 01:42:41,322 you know, they were being threatened with guns, 2239 01:42:41,323 --> 01:42:43,790 and that kind of thing, so he decided he should 2240 01:42:43,791 --> 01:42:46,960 visit the studio, and the first day he arrives, 2241 01:42:46,961 --> 01:42:49,129 he sees a back and forth with this guy 2242 01:42:49,130 --> 01:42:51,232 who turns out to be Ramsey Lewis' son, 2243 01:42:51,233 --> 01:42:54,000 and turns into one of the best informants 2244 01:42:54,001 --> 01:42:56,537 about what was going on at Death Row Records. 2245 01:42:56,538 --> 01:42:58,472 What Kendrick Knox observed may have actually 2246 01:42:58,473 --> 01:43:01,875 driven Las Vegas in the direction of their investigation. 2247 01:43:01,876 --> 01:43:03,377 And the guy says, well, you know, 2248 01:43:03,378 --> 01:43:06,747 one of the people who sits here is one of your own guys. 2249 01:43:06,748 --> 01:43:07,948 What? 2250 01:43:07,949 --> 01:43:11,285 And so, he follows that up, that's McCauley, 2251 01:43:11,286 --> 01:43:15,489 but he's finding out that there are a number of other 2252 01:43:15,490 --> 01:43:18,024 LAPD officers working for Death Row Records, 2253 01:43:18,025 --> 01:43:20,894 and there are higher ups that already know it. 2254 01:43:20,895 --> 01:43:23,897 It's already been, he goes to his superior, 2255 01:43:23,898 --> 01:43:25,632 who says, yeah, we know that. 2256 01:43:25,633 --> 01:43:27,701 But that's not gonna be in any reports, 2257 01:43:27,702 --> 01:43:31,137 and, you know, you're not gonna, you know, 2258 01:43:31,138 --> 01:43:32,739 make anything public about that. 2259 01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:35,208 So Knox is pushed back a step, but he still 2260 01:43:35,209 --> 01:43:36,843 is continuing with his investigation, 2261 01:43:36,844 --> 01:43:38,945 'cause he's got all these leads that are, 2262 01:43:38,946 --> 01:43:41,047 you know, he's getting into the Tupac case, 2263 01:43:41,048 --> 01:43:42,816 he's getting into the Biggie case. 2264 01:43:42,817 --> 01:43:44,818 He's getting evidence that there are cops, 2265 01:43:44,819 --> 01:43:49,623 you know, there were lots of cops, including LAPD present, 2266 01:43:49,624 --> 01:43:54,295 in Las Vegas and even on the scene when Tupac was killed. 2267 01:43:54,296 --> 01:43:57,831 The implication that they were, you know, helping set it up. 2268 01:43:57,832 --> 01:43:59,933 The reason that you've never heard of Ken Knox 2269 01:43:59,934 --> 01:44:02,669 were because the minute that Ken Knox turned in his reports 2270 01:44:02,670 --> 01:44:05,406 the LAPD understood the value of those reports, 2271 01:44:05,407 --> 01:44:07,107 and how damaging they might be, 2272 01:44:07,108 --> 01:44:09,476 and those reports just disappeared. 2273 01:44:09,477 --> 01:44:11,912 Well that was when he really knew this is serious. 2274 01:44:11,913 --> 01:44:14,515 He did, he took a vacation, I think it was. 2275 01:44:14,516 --> 01:44:17,951 And when he came back, he found that his computer 2276 01:44:17,952 --> 01:44:20,887 had been completely erased, I mean, everything. 2277 01:44:20,888 --> 01:44:22,055 It was blank. 2278 01:44:22,056 --> 01:44:23,457 They shut him down, basically. 2279 01:44:23,458 --> 01:44:26,627 They got him alone in a room and threatened him, 2280 01:44:26,628 --> 01:44:28,395 and told him his career was over. 2281 01:44:28,396 --> 01:44:32,633 The one thing he did do was pass it on to Russ Poole. 2282 01:44:32,634 --> 01:44:35,268 When I talked to him, it was clear, you know, 2283 01:44:35,269 --> 01:44:37,838 he'd made his, basically I've made my decision, 2284 01:44:37,839 --> 01:44:40,006 I've decided to save myself, it's not worth, 2285 01:44:40,007 --> 01:44:41,908 you know, throwing my own life away, 2286 01:44:41,909 --> 01:44:44,411 and hurting my family for what, 2287 01:44:44,412 --> 01:44:47,648 to make cases against these gang bangers? 2288 01:44:47,649 --> 01:44:49,916 One other reason that the Tim Brennan affidavit 2289 01:44:49,917 --> 01:44:52,953 tended to gain traction was because Tim Brennan 2290 01:44:52,954 --> 01:44:55,356 falsely characterized a series of gang shootings 2291 01:44:55,357 --> 01:44:58,191 that happened as a war that was in retaliation 2292 01:44:58,192 --> 01:44:59,926 for the shooting of Tupac Shakur. 2293 01:44:59,927 --> 01:45:02,429 Our investigation revealed that some of the motivation 2294 01:45:02,430 --> 01:45:05,165 for the shootings that occurred in Compton may be 2295 01:45:05,166 --> 01:45:08,935 in retaliation for the events that transpired in Las Vegas. 2296 01:45:08,936 --> 01:45:10,704 And in fact, it was stated later 2297 01:45:10,705 --> 01:45:13,507 that the shootings had nothing to do with the gang war. 2298 01:45:13,508 --> 01:45:15,041 It's no secret that the Crips and 2299 01:45:15,042 --> 01:45:16,710 the Bloods were hanging out together, 2300 01:45:16,711 --> 01:45:18,912 and were recording at Death Row Records. 2301 01:45:18,913 --> 01:45:21,882 But what made it interesting was on the eve of Tim Brennan 2302 01:45:21,883 --> 01:45:24,585 telling everybody that there was a gang war, 2303 01:45:24,586 --> 01:45:27,454 10 Los Angeles police officers showed up 2304 01:45:27,455 --> 01:45:30,457 at Can-Am Studios to basically hoist 2305 01:45:30,458 --> 01:45:33,460 a bunch of gang guys out of the studio. 2306 01:45:33,461 --> 01:45:36,363 What they found was that Bloods were working with Crips 2307 01:45:36,364 --> 01:45:38,532 at the studio, which was no secret. 2308 01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:40,901 But that the Crips were East Coast Crips 2309 01:45:40,902 --> 01:45:42,736 that came from New Jersey. 2310 01:45:42,737 --> 01:45:45,972 West Coast Bloods working with East Coast Crips. 2311 01:45:45,973 --> 01:45:48,475 Not much of a gang war there. 2312 01:45:48,476 --> 01:45:52,546 But even more importantly, if the term East Coast Crips 2313 01:45:52,547 --> 01:45:56,950 and Crips coming from New Jersey, sound familiar, 2314 01:45:56,951 --> 01:45:58,785 it may be because of something 2315 01:45:58,786 --> 01:46:00,721 that happened just shortly after that. 2316 01:46:05,126 --> 01:46:06,727 It was a criminal organization. 2317 01:46:06,728 --> 01:46:11,297 It'd be like officers working for the Gambino family. 2318 01:46:11,298 --> 01:46:15,470 Yafeu Fula was a name that a lot of people have thrown back 2319 01:46:16,938 --> 01:46:20,273 in our faces, that we were derelict in doing things. 2320 01:46:20,274 --> 01:46:24,745 Yafeu Fula was interviewed the night of the shooting. 2321 01:46:24,746 --> 01:46:27,914 Yafeu Fula gave a statement. 2322 01:46:27,915 --> 01:46:30,884 People say we never interviewed him. 2323 01:46:30,885 --> 01:46:32,454 He was interviewed. 2324 01:46:33,788 --> 01:46:37,691 And the big thing is everybody says that he said 2325 01:46:37,692 --> 01:46:39,760 he could identify the shooter. 2326 01:46:39,761 --> 01:46:41,028 No, he did not. 2327 01:46:42,564 --> 01:46:44,632 He never said that to us. 2328 01:46:46,333 --> 01:46:50,303 He said he might be able to identify the driver. 2329 01:46:50,304 --> 01:46:52,073 That is what he said. 2330 01:46:54,041 --> 01:46:58,178 And we tried to reach out to re-interview Yafeu Fula, 2331 01:46:58,179 --> 01:47:01,915 well, next thing you know, we're getting notification 2332 01:47:01,916 --> 01:47:03,917 from, I think it's in Orange, New Jersey, 2333 01:47:03,918 --> 01:47:06,653 if I remember right, that he's been murdered 2334 01:47:06,654 --> 01:47:10,825 in a housing project or something like that over some drugs. 2335 01:47:12,093 --> 01:47:14,995 The problem was, this is a big country. 2336 01:47:14,996 --> 01:47:16,863 People go wherever, you know. 2337 01:47:16,864 --> 01:47:18,832 We don't have tracking devices on them. 2338 01:47:18,833 --> 01:47:21,635 So we have to depend on people we know 2339 01:47:21,636 --> 01:47:25,238 we can get in touch with to try and reach out to 'em. 2340 01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:28,374 Immediately after the Yafeu Fula shooting takes place, 2341 01:47:28,375 --> 01:47:30,210 Compton police and Las Vegas police 2342 01:47:30,211 --> 01:47:32,278 make it known publicly that the shooting 2343 01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:35,882 has absolutely nothing to do with the death of Tupac Shakur. 2344 01:47:35,883 --> 01:47:38,819 But that's not exactly true, because the FBI 2345 01:47:38,820 --> 01:47:41,855 went back several years later and interviewed the New Jersey 2346 01:47:41,856 --> 01:47:44,591 detectives that worked the Yafeu Fula shooting, 2347 01:47:44,592 --> 01:47:47,561 and they said that the Yafeu Fula shooting 2348 01:47:47,562 --> 01:47:51,633 was done execution-style in the style of the mob. 2349 01:47:54,569 --> 01:47:56,269 The Compton police and Death Row Records 2350 01:47:56,270 --> 01:47:57,504 had two big problems. 2351 01:47:57,505 --> 01:47:58,939 Number one, they still weren't able 2352 01:47:58,940 --> 01:48:00,974 to convince the Vegas police that Orlando Anderson 2353 01:48:00,975 --> 01:48:02,609 had anything to do with the murder, 2354 01:48:02,610 --> 01:48:05,946 and Reggie Wright was having trouble trying to convince 2355 01:48:05,947 --> 01:48:09,182 Frank Alexander to go back and repeat the same lie 2356 01:48:09,183 --> 01:48:12,719 that he had told Vegas police earlier in the investigation 2357 01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,722 about the chain snatch that occurred that day. 2358 01:48:15,723 --> 01:48:17,924 We were supposed to went down to Vegas, 2359 01:48:17,925 --> 01:48:20,794 me, you, and Malcolm, and correct the statement 2360 01:48:20,795 --> 01:48:23,797 that you gave about the chain and all of that. 2361 01:48:23,798 --> 01:48:26,332 You know, with the additional information. 2362 01:48:26,333 --> 01:48:28,969 The LAPD had just come out of the Christopher Commission, 2363 01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:31,037 which was started by the Rodney King beatings. 2364 01:48:31,038 --> 01:48:33,840 And it had everything to do with police misconduct. 2365 01:48:33,841 --> 01:48:35,942 So police misconduct was nothing new 2366 01:48:35,943 --> 01:48:37,578 to the Los Angeles Police Department. 2367 01:48:37,579 --> 01:48:39,813 But to also have it involving gangs, 2368 01:48:39,814 --> 01:48:41,815 and having it involve an agency 2369 01:48:41,816 --> 01:48:44,084 that's dealing in drugs like Death Row 2370 01:48:44,085 --> 01:48:46,620 would have made a serious black eye for the LAPD. 2371 01:48:46,621 --> 01:48:49,923 The LAPD was, it was basically in cover-up mode. 2372 01:48:49,924 --> 01:48:51,357 You know, self-protection. 2373 01:48:51,358 --> 01:48:54,761 Kevin Gaines was in Las Vegas from two days prior to the 2374 01:48:54,762 --> 01:48:58,632 shooting of Shakur until two days after the death of Shakur. 2375 01:48:58,633 --> 01:49:00,200 So what are we gonna do? 2376 01:49:00,201 --> 01:49:02,869 We're gonna galvanize this into the public mindset. 2377 01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:04,504 We're gonna make sure they don't 2378 01:49:04,505 --> 01:49:06,072 forget the South Side Crips. 2379 01:49:06,073 --> 01:49:09,042 We're gonna make sure they don't forget Orlando Anderson. 2380 01:49:09,043 --> 01:49:10,977 We're gonna make sure they don't forget this is an 2381 01:49:10,978 --> 01:49:13,213 East Coast/West Coast problem. 2382 01:49:13,214 --> 01:49:15,716 And we're gonna do it in such a way 2383 01:49:15,717 --> 01:49:17,618 that it's big and outrageous, 2384 01:49:17,619 --> 01:49:19,085 and you will never forget it. 2385 01:49:21,989 --> 01:49:23,289 Fire department, go ahead. 2386 01:49:23,290 --> 01:49:24,658 We on Fairfax and Wilshire. 2387 01:49:24,659 --> 01:49:25,892 What's wrong? 2388 01:49:25,893 --> 01:49:27,694 We're a man shot in our car right now. 2389 01:49:27,695 --> 01:49:29,663 Okay, they drove up next to us and shot at 2390 01:49:29,664 --> 01:49:31,364 the car in the passenger side. 2391 01:49:31,365 --> 01:49:33,299 Okay, somebody's already on the way. 2392 01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:34,801 Man, can you hear me baby? 2393 01:49:34,802 --> 01:49:36,837 I'm standing outside of the Peterson Auto Museum, 2394 01:49:36,838 --> 01:49:39,205 the site of the Wallace killings. 2395 01:49:39,206 --> 01:49:41,374 And you know, they did it. 2396 01:49:41,375 --> 01:49:43,710 Christopher Wallace murder and the corresponding blame 2397 01:49:43,711 --> 01:49:45,779 placed on Suge Knight as retaliation for 2398 01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:49,115 the Orlando Anderson shooting moved light years towards 2399 01:49:49,116 --> 01:49:52,418 legitimizing the cover story cooked up in September of '96. 2400 01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:55,321 But, in a missed move, the Los Angeles Police Department 2401 01:49:55,322 --> 01:49:58,591 allowed a rogue, felon ex-cop to tell his cell-mate 2402 01:49:58,592 --> 01:50:02,362 the details of how the Wallace killing actually went down. 2403 01:50:02,363 --> 01:50:04,665 The LAPD tried to hide this inmate's testimony, 2404 01:50:04,666 --> 01:50:06,933 because they had used the same informant's 2405 01:50:06,934 --> 01:50:11,337 alleged credibility to exonerate at least five LAPD officers 2406 01:50:11,338 --> 01:50:14,908 and they knew he was not just another jailhouse informant. 2407 01:50:14,909 --> 01:50:17,844 What you're about to hear was worth 1.1 million dollars 2408 01:50:17,845 --> 01:50:20,681 to the LAPD to hide from the Wallace family. 2409 01:50:20,682 --> 01:50:22,582 That's what the judge fined the city 2410 01:50:22,583 --> 01:50:25,085 for not letting this go out to the public. 2411 01:50:25,086 --> 01:50:27,353 This is what they did not want you to hear, 2412 01:50:27,354 --> 01:50:29,255 served up by the very witness whose 2413 01:50:29,256 --> 01:50:31,858 testimony cleared five cops. 2414 01:50:31,859 --> 01:50:34,227 My name is Kenneth Boagni. 2415 01:50:34,228 --> 01:50:37,999 And I was in Lynwood County Regional Facility 2416 01:50:38,933 --> 01:50:41,602 from November 1999 to July 2000. 2417 01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,376 There I befriended Raphael Perez, the LAPD officer 2418 01:50:50,377 --> 01:50:53,213 who was in the center of the Rampart scandal. 2419 01:50:53,214 --> 01:50:54,414 And then I could see, 2420 01:50:54,415 --> 01:50:56,182 the motive was patently obvious. 2421 01:50:56,183 --> 01:50:58,618 He'd done things that were hanging over him. 2422 01:50:58,619 --> 01:51:00,453 He could have gone to prison for the rest of his life. 2423 01:51:00,454 --> 01:51:04,157 He could make a deal to get out from under that. 2424 01:51:04,158 --> 01:51:07,393 And, but then, he could also get revenge 2425 01:51:07,394 --> 01:51:11,031 on anybody who had ever offended him in any way. 2426 01:51:11,032 --> 01:51:12,532 Raphael Perez never mentioned 2427 01:51:12,533 --> 01:51:13,900 Suge Knight in name. 2428 01:51:13,901 --> 01:51:17,237 He just said David Kenner and Reggie Wright 2429 01:51:17,238 --> 01:51:21,007 told him that that Mack was there when Ronnie got beaten up. 2430 01:51:21,008 --> 01:51:25,211 It was a million dollars for Puffy and Notorious BIG. 2431 01:51:25,212 --> 01:51:29,115 I cheated on my employer, and I cheated on all of you, 2432 01:51:29,116 --> 01:51:30,516 the people of Los Angeles. 2433 01:51:30,517 --> 01:51:32,152 From what I was told, 2434 01:51:32,153 --> 01:51:36,323 it was, gave him almost 250 grand, which, up front, 2435 01:51:38,425 --> 01:51:41,929 and he owed him 750 grand on the back end. 2436 01:51:42,964 --> 01:51:45,866 Completely hidden Boagni from, 2437 01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:49,602 so clearly the LAPD took it at least that seriously, 2438 01:51:49,603 --> 01:51:52,272 that they would hide all mention of Boagni. 2439 01:51:52,273 --> 01:51:55,608 The real break in the case 2440 01:51:55,609 --> 01:51:58,144 was the arrest of David Mack for 2441 01:51:58,145 --> 01:52:01,647 a bank robbery out in Los Angeles. 2442 01:52:01,648 --> 01:52:03,483 David Mack was an LAPD officer. 2443 01:52:03,484 --> 01:52:05,651 He was arrested for one of the biggest bank robberies 2444 01:52:05,652 --> 01:52:08,721 in LA history, which he was caught on film committing. 2445 01:52:08,722 --> 01:52:11,291 It's been said publicly that David Mack was actually 2446 01:52:11,292 --> 01:52:13,259 the introduction of the concept 2447 01:52:13,260 --> 01:52:16,496 that LAPD cops were working for Death Row Records, 2448 01:52:16,497 --> 01:52:18,131 and were working for Suge Knight. 2449 01:52:18,132 --> 01:52:20,133 And that's not true. 2450 01:52:20,134 --> 01:52:23,236 Because long before David Mack ever robbed that bank, 2451 01:52:23,237 --> 01:52:26,172 Ken Knox had logs that clearly spelled out 2452 01:52:26,173 --> 01:52:28,141 who was working for Death Row Records 2453 01:52:28,142 --> 01:52:30,343 and those logs were published to 2454 01:52:30,344 --> 01:52:32,678 Los Angeles Police Department's internal affairs 2455 01:52:32,679 --> 01:52:37,283 in June of 1996, even before the Shakur shooting took place. 2456 01:52:37,284 --> 01:52:39,786 They did a search warrant on his house 2457 01:52:39,787 --> 01:52:41,822 for the bank robbery. 2458 01:52:41,823 --> 01:52:44,024 He owned a black SS Impala, 2459 01:52:44,025 --> 01:52:45,892 and that's the same vehicle that was used 2460 01:52:45,893 --> 01:52:48,428 in the killing of Biggie Smalls. 2461 01:52:48,429 --> 01:52:52,298 There's a number of clues that connect 2462 01:52:52,299 --> 01:52:54,667 David Mack possibly to the killing. 2463 01:52:54,668 --> 01:52:56,736 Perez was just along for the ride at the time, 2464 01:52:56,737 --> 01:53:01,041 going to a Death Row meeting with Reggie Wright. 2465 01:53:01,042 --> 01:53:04,177 He was pretty much Mack's sidekick at this time. 2466 01:53:04,178 --> 01:53:06,346 A bigwig got Amir to get the job done. 2467 01:53:06,347 --> 01:53:08,214 And Mack had already knew Amir from 2468 01:53:08,215 --> 01:53:10,516 being from the nation of Islam, 2469 01:53:10,517 --> 01:53:12,385 and they went to school together. 2470 01:53:12,386 --> 01:53:15,255 He was already in the sand, for the nation of Islam. 2471 01:53:15,256 --> 01:53:17,590 So Amir Muhammed comes into the story. 2472 01:53:17,591 --> 01:53:20,326 Russ Poole sees that he's had one visitor, 2473 01:53:20,327 --> 01:53:21,895 and he identifies who this person is, 2474 01:53:21,896 --> 01:53:24,965 but he gave, basically was trying to cover up who he was. 2475 01:53:24,966 --> 01:53:26,867 Well, that's suspicious, obviously. 2476 01:53:26,868 --> 01:53:29,769 And then he gets, looks at the driver's license, 2477 01:53:29,770 --> 01:53:31,404 and sees that the picture looks a lot like 2478 01:53:31,405 --> 01:53:35,241 the composite drawing that was made of Biggie's shooter. 2479 01:53:35,242 --> 01:53:37,677 LA police detective Greg Kading came out and said 2480 01:53:37,678 --> 01:53:40,613 that the reason that Amir Muhammed put a fake 2481 01:53:40,614 --> 01:53:43,683 social security number on the inmate visitor application 2482 01:53:43,684 --> 01:53:46,052 when he went to visit David Mack was because 2483 01:53:46,053 --> 01:53:48,521 he did not want his identity stolen. 2484 01:53:48,522 --> 01:53:51,057 His explanation was that he was aware 2485 01:53:51,058 --> 01:53:53,994 that inmates and other people would be able to view 2486 01:53:53,995 --> 01:53:57,063 or access that log, and he didn't want his identity stolen. 2487 01:53:57,064 --> 01:54:00,200 This hardly sounds like a professional killer. 2488 01:54:00,201 --> 01:54:02,835 And he bought that as a culpable explanation. 2489 01:54:02,836 --> 01:54:04,337 Well the fact of the matter is, 2490 01:54:04,338 --> 01:54:06,539 if you're putting your true date of birth, 2491 01:54:06,540 --> 01:54:09,442 and your true address, and your true name 2492 01:54:09,443 --> 01:54:12,645 on the application, you have more chances of identity theft 2493 01:54:12,646 --> 01:54:14,380 than just the social security number. 2494 01:54:14,381 --> 01:54:17,183 If you're really that concerned about your identity 2495 01:54:17,184 --> 01:54:19,852 being stolen, you should use a fake date of birth. 2496 01:54:19,853 --> 01:54:21,387 You should use a fake address. 2497 01:54:21,388 --> 01:54:22,923 But he didn't. 2498 01:54:22,924 --> 01:54:25,125 He used true information, the only thing that he embellished 2499 01:54:25,126 --> 01:54:26,859 was his social security number, 2500 01:54:26,860 --> 01:54:28,561 and you'd ask the question, why? 2501 01:54:28,562 --> 01:54:29,829 Well it's really simple. 2502 01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:31,764 The social security number is the only thing 2503 01:54:31,765 --> 01:54:34,834 that's not with you when you get your ID checked. 2504 01:54:34,835 --> 01:54:37,537 Amir Muhammed in Orange County under yet another 2505 01:54:37,538 --> 01:54:39,039 one of his assumed identities, 2506 01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,307 this time he changed himself physically, 2507 01:54:41,308 --> 01:54:42,808 he had a shaved head now. 2508 01:54:42,809 --> 01:54:45,045 Didn't look like the Muslim with the fade haircut anymore, 2509 01:54:45,046 --> 01:54:47,880 he had a shaved head and a beard. 2510 01:54:47,881 --> 01:54:52,552 But anyway, he had been arrested for menacing a couple. 2511 01:54:52,553 --> 01:54:57,257 He was in an SUV menacing a couple in an SUV with a gun. 2512 01:54:57,258 --> 01:54:59,725 He pulled out a gun, pulled up alongside 2513 01:54:59,726 --> 01:55:02,662 and pointed the gun at 'em, threatened 'em. 2514 01:55:02,663 --> 01:55:05,298 The woman was somebody he had been involved with, 2515 01:55:05,299 --> 01:55:07,667 so it wasn't like, this wasn't a hit, per Se. 2516 01:55:07,668 --> 01:55:10,036 But they called the cops. 2517 01:55:10,037 --> 01:55:11,938 They pulled him over, he had, you know, 2518 01:55:11,939 --> 01:55:13,539 he had fake driver's license. 2519 01:55:13,540 --> 01:55:15,475 He had many aliases. 2520 01:55:15,476 --> 01:55:17,743 He had, his real name was Harry Billups. 2521 01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:19,779 He never really, I don't think, ever legally changed it, 2522 01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:21,914 I think he still is legally Harry Billups. 2523 01:55:21,915 --> 01:55:25,251 But he called himself Harry Muhammed. 2524 01:55:25,252 --> 01:55:27,320 Amir Muhammed was convicted in that case, 2525 01:55:27,321 --> 01:55:30,223 but he was convicted on, I think that was a misdemeanor. 2526 01:55:30,224 --> 01:55:32,425 Yet initially it was a felony. 2527 01:55:32,426 --> 01:55:34,860 They pleaded it down, and he. 2528 01:55:34,861 --> 01:55:37,363 But a lot of the reason that he got off 2529 01:55:37,364 --> 01:55:39,865 was that the couple, who the only witnesses, 2530 01:55:39,866 --> 01:55:42,969 the week later were found shot to death. 2531 01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:46,806 It was ruled by the coroner a murder-suicide. 2532 01:55:46,807 --> 01:55:50,276 The whole thing seemed dubious to me. 2533 01:55:50,277 --> 01:55:52,378 You know, I, if I'd. 2534 01:55:52,379 --> 01:55:54,981 This happened well after I wrote LAbyrinth, 2535 01:55:54,982 --> 01:55:57,183 and I found out about this, so I, you know, 2536 01:55:57,184 --> 01:55:58,884 I didn't follow it all the way. 2537 01:55:58,885 --> 01:56:00,620 Somebody should. 2538 01:56:00,621 --> 01:56:03,556 I told you that this cats was coming to kill us, 2539 01:56:03,557 --> 01:56:05,425 or try to get at us that night. 2540 01:56:05,426 --> 01:56:07,293 I told you I had intel. 2541 01:56:07,294 --> 01:56:11,364 The night that Notorious BIG was killed, 2542 01:56:11,365 --> 01:56:15,536 a LAPD officer saw Gaines cut off both, both cars. 2543 01:56:20,474 --> 01:56:23,210 Both were, Biggie was in the car, 2544 01:56:24,578 --> 01:56:27,413 and Sean, P Diddy was in the car. 2545 01:56:27,414 --> 01:56:30,483 Gaines was supposed to cut both of those guys off. 2546 01:56:30,484 --> 01:56:32,885 I told our driver, Kenny. 2547 01:56:32,886 --> 01:56:34,820 Kenny, run these next three lights. 2548 01:56:34,821 --> 01:56:36,822 Run the light, Kenny. 2549 01:56:36,823 --> 01:56:38,324 Kenny ran the light. 2550 01:56:38,325 --> 01:56:39,825 Big stopped at the light. 2551 01:56:39,826 --> 01:56:40,993 Big gets killed. 2552 01:56:40,994 --> 01:56:42,595 Wasn't meant for him, bruh. 2553 01:56:42,596 --> 01:56:44,264 The whole job didn't get done. 2554 01:56:44,265 --> 01:56:47,600 One of the guys got away, of course Sean Combs got away. 2555 01:56:47,601 --> 01:56:49,635 He also told me later on that he found out 2556 01:56:49,636 --> 01:56:53,939 that Gaines was working with Internal Affairs. 2557 01:56:53,940 --> 01:56:56,709 He couldn't tell Internal Affairs about that. 2558 01:56:56,710 --> 01:57:00,046 But he was informing them on a lot of other stuff. 2559 01:57:00,047 --> 01:57:02,014 So what exactly was Kevin Gaines doing 2560 01:57:02,015 --> 01:57:05,686 out on that special assignment in Las Vegas? 2561 01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:11,391 Perez said that was the reason he was killed. 2562 01:57:12,926 --> 01:57:14,227 No, it wasn't an accident. 2563 01:57:14,228 --> 01:57:15,561 He goes, do you have any regrets? 2564 01:57:15,562 --> 01:57:16,862 And I says, yeah. 2565 01:57:16,863 --> 01:57:18,464 And he leans forward again, he goes, 2566 01:57:18,465 --> 01:57:19,699 do you regret shooting him? 2567 01:57:19,700 --> 01:57:20,634 I says no, I regret that he was alone 2568 01:57:20,635 --> 01:57:22,068 in the truck at the time. 2569 01:57:24,238 --> 01:57:25,271 Figured that one out. 2570 01:57:25,272 --> 01:57:26,739 You know, you hear that? 2571 01:57:26,740 --> 01:57:28,341 Alone in the truck at the time. 2572 01:57:28,342 --> 01:57:30,443 I could have killed a whole truckload of them. 2573 01:57:30,444 --> 01:57:34,046 That would have been happily doing it, doing so. 2574 01:57:34,047 --> 01:57:36,015 Derwin and his buddy Kevin Gaines 2575 01:57:36,016 --> 01:57:38,184 were best friends and running partners. 2576 01:57:38,185 --> 01:57:40,921 That's how Gaines knew who I was. 2577 01:57:42,389 --> 01:57:45,691 I came through, Henderson was a probationer of mine. 2578 01:57:45,692 --> 01:57:47,827 And I'd seen them one night in Hollywood. 2579 01:57:47,828 --> 01:57:49,262 And remember, I had long hair, 2580 01:57:49,263 --> 01:57:51,364 driving a fucking Buick Regal, 2581 01:57:51,365 --> 01:57:53,899 and I see Henderson in traffic and we stop, 2582 01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:55,835 I was going south, he was going north. 2583 01:57:55,836 --> 01:57:57,503 He had another male black in the car with him, 2584 01:57:57,504 --> 01:57:59,071 but I didn't pay attention to that guy. 2585 01:57:59,072 --> 01:58:00,373 I was talking to Derwin. 2586 01:58:00,374 --> 01:58:01,607 We were partners, and we were saying 2587 01:58:01,608 --> 01:58:02,908 hi to him and talking to him. 2588 01:58:02,909 --> 01:58:04,410 Turns out Gaines was with him, 2589 01:58:04,411 --> 01:58:06,011 they were running part, and that's how Gaines knew me. 2590 01:58:06,012 --> 01:58:08,281 Reggie Wright and David Kenner 2591 01:58:08,282 --> 01:58:10,049 informed Mack and Perez that they weren't 2592 01:58:10,050 --> 01:58:11,551 gonna pay for the whole contract, 2593 01:58:11,552 --> 01:58:14,820 and therefore they not, they had to do the bank robbery 2594 01:58:14,821 --> 01:58:16,856 to get the money to pay Amir, 'cause Amir was 2595 01:58:16,857 --> 01:58:20,460 really upset about it, he wasn't taking no for an answer. 2596 01:58:20,461 --> 01:58:21,994 You know, he wanted his money. 2597 01:58:21,995 --> 01:58:25,030 And the only recourse was for Dave Mack and Raphael Perez 2598 01:58:25,031 --> 01:58:27,800 along with Sammy Martin to do this bank robbery 2599 01:58:27,801 --> 01:58:29,702 to get the money to pay Amir, 2600 01:58:29,703 --> 01:58:32,104 which is the reason why the money wasn't recovered. 2601 01:58:32,105 --> 01:58:33,606 Have you had any conversations 2602 01:58:33,607 --> 01:58:37,277 with Perez at all, either over the phone or in person? 2603 01:58:37,278 --> 01:58:38,511 No. 2604 01:58:38,512 --> 01:58:40,146 No conversations about what someone? 2605 01:58:40,147 --> 01:58:41,747 No. 2606 01:58:41,748 --> 01:58:43,184 How about with, 2607 01:58:45,085 --> 01:58:48,854 Sammy Martin, have you had discussions with Sam Martin? 2608 01:58:48,855 --> 01:58:51,257 Over the phone, or. No. 2609 01:58:51,258 --> 01:58:53,693 If a guy has all these girlfriends or whatever, I mean, 2610 01:58:53,694 --> 01:58:57,597 I wouldn't want that being in the paper on me, 2611 01:58:57,598 --> 01:58:59,599 you know, so what else... 2612 01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,334 What's your feeling about him 2613 01:59:01,335 --> 01:59:03,636 having a girlfriend that's a dope dealer? 2614 01:59:03,637 --> 01:59:05,438 Well I think obviously if that's true, 2615 01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:07,173 that's, you know, there's a problem with that. 2616 01:59:07,174 --> 01:59:08,674 Okay, what's your feeling about him 2617 01:59:08,675 --> 01:59:11,311 stealing three kilos of cocaine out of the streets 2618 01:59:11,312 --> 01:59:13,313 and sus-ter-mans are out of their property? 2619 01:59:13,314 --> 01:59:14,914 Right from the get-go, 2620 01:59:14,915 --> 01:59:18,851 detectives believed somehow Death Row Records was involved. 2621 01:59:18,852 --> 01:59:20,786 Phil Carson was committed to this case. 2622 01:59:20,787 --> 01:59:22,588 I mean, he had made a case. 2623 01:59:22,589 --> 01:59:24,390 He was ready to make arrests. 2624 01:59:24,391 --> 01:59:26,726 He was convinced that Mack and Muhmammed, 2625 01:59:26,727 --> 01:59:29,329 and other LAPD officers had been involved 2626 01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:30,796 in setting up Biggie's murder. 2627 01:59:30,797 --> 01:59:32,732 I mean, he was all the way in on 'em. 2628 01:59:32,733 --> 01:59:35,435 He was ready to file, but his superiors, 2629 01:59:35,436 --> 01:59:37,002 you know, basically blocked him, 2630 01:59:37,003 --> 01:59:38,571 and eventually took him off it. 2631 01:59:38,572 --> 01:59:40,606 Just like Kenneth Knox. 2632 01:59:40,607 --> 01:59:44,310 You know, he was right there, ready to make a case. 2633 01:59:44,311 --> 01:59:45,945 He was told no. 2634 01:59:45,946 --> 01:59:50,116 So Carson basically, just like Knox, to save his career, 2635 01:59:51,285 --> 01:59:52,652 backed off. 2636 02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:05,130 The first and most significant informant in this case, 2637 02:00:05,131 --> 02:00:08,668 long before Poole or anybody had heard of Amir Muhammed, 2638 02:00:08,669 --> 02:00:10,135 Mike Robinson. 2639 02:00:10,136 --> 02:00:11,737 He worked with the sheriffs mostly, and the sheriffs 2640 02:00:11,738 --> 02:00:14,974 actually handed him over to Poole and Miller. 2641 02:00:14,975 --> 02:00:17,977 But, and they said, you know, 2642 02:00:17,978 --> 02:00:19,712 this guy has made cases for us. 2643 02:00:19,713 --> 02:00:21,614 We've gotten murder convictions, 2644 02:00:21,615 --> 02:00:24,917 almost entirely based on his, at least, 2645 02:00:24,918 --> 02:00:26,819 we wouldn't have gotten them without him. 2646 02:00:26,820 --> 02:00:28,988 He said right away that he knew the killer 2647 02:00:28,989 --> 02:00:32,558 was somebody named Amir or Ashmir or something like that. 2648 02:00:32,559 --> 02:00:35,561 I've had cases where I've had individuals 2649 02:00:35,562 --> 02:00:38,564 confess to a crime and I go, no, you didn't do it. 2650 02:00:38,565 --> 02:00:40,600 I know you didn't do it, why are you telling me you did it, 2651 02:00:40,601 --> 02:00:41,967 when I know you didn't do it? 2652 02:00:41,968 --> 02:00:44,770 It's well, it's because their brother 2653 02:00:44,771 --> 02:00:47,006 did something to somebody in a gang, 2654 02:00:47,007 --> 02:00:48,941 and the gang said, you gotta make up for your brother, 2655 02:00:48,942 --> 02:00:52,645 so you gotta take the hit on it, and they wouldn't relent. 2656 02:00:52,646 --> 02:00:54,680 They, they're actually doing prison time 2657 02:00:54,681 --> 02:00:57,117 for something they didn't do. 2658 02:01:03,590 --> 02:01:05,325 Time and time again, 2659 02:01:05,326 --> 02:01:07,327 we have people who have information. 2660 02:01:07,328 --> 02:01:09,729 They're put in a situation that's manufactured 2661 02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:11,664 to make them look like nuts. 2662 02:01:11,665 --> 02:01:14,133 Now suddenly they're not credible on the other side. 2663 02:01:14,134 --> 02:01:16,469 They're not nutty about other things. 2664 02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:19,739 Board of Inquiries, they're not nutty about Iranians 2665 02:01:19,740 --> 02:01:22,775 bringing in 60 kilos of cocaine. 2666 02:01:22,776 --> 02:01:25,244 They're not nuts about any of these other things 2667 02:01:25,245 --> 02:01:26,179 that are going on. 2668 02:01:26,180 --> 02:01:28,548 They're cops, in some cases. 2669 02:01:28,549 --> 02:01:30,116 So I met Waymond. 2670 02:01:31,485 --> 02:01:35,656 And I started to talk with Waymond, and meet with Waymond, 2671 02:01:36,757 --> 02:01:38,658 me and my partner, never alone, 2672 02:01:38,659 --> 02:01:42,496 and I can tell you that he never, ever gave me 2673 02:01:45,799 --> 02:01:48,334 any bad information, me or my partner. 2674 02:01:48,335 --> 02:01:50,336 One of the guys that was from Marella's 2675 02:01:50,337 --> 02:01:53,172 law firm, he, actually, they had my case up at Wilshire PD. 2676 02:01:53,173 --> 02:01:55,941 They told me if I did not do what they were asking me to do, 2677 02:01:55,942 --> 02:01:57,843 they would switch my, they had power to switch my case 2678 02:01:57,844 --> 02:01:59,311 into another courtroom, which they did. 2679 02:01:59,312 --> 02:02:00,813 I have it to prove it to you. 2680 02:02:00,814 --> 02:02:04,417 Right after the deposition, the guy who did the deposition 2681 02:02:04,418 --> 02:02:06,519 from Marella's law firm, I think that's how you pronounce 2682 02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,920 the law firm. Yeah, Marella. 2683 02:02:07,921 --> 02:02:09,522 Marella, whatever they call themselves. 2684 02:02:09,523 --> 02:02:14,159 They sent the deposition within four days to Chuck Phillips. 2685 02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,629 I never signed that deposition. 2686 02:02:16,630 --> 02:02:19,331 I never approved that deposition. 2687 02:02:19,332 --> 02:02:21,701 But four days after I cleared the deposition 2688 02:02:21,702 --> 02:02:24,203 when they were sending it to the LA Times 2689 02:02:24,204 --> 02:02:26,739 to go to print with it, I contacted Perry Sanders 2690 02:02:26,740 --> 02:02:29,074 and told him that I did it under being threatened 2691 02:02:29,075 --> 02:02:31,143 and was duressed, and I would never sign it. 2692 02:02:31,144 --> 02:02:33,345 I never, I never, ever. 2693 02:02:33,346 --> 02:02:37,518 They were bringing in me, or sending me information. 2694 02:02:38,685 --> 02:02:41,020 You know, trying to put words in my mouth 2695 02:02:41,021 --> 02:02:43,088 about other articles, telling they wanted me 2696 02:02:43,089 --> 02:02:45,658 to go along with saying Perry Sanders offered me money. 2697 02:02:45,659 --> 02:02:47,192 He never offered me any money. 2698 02:02:47,193 --> 02:02:49,529 That came from Don Vincent's mouth. 2699 02:02:49,530 --> 02:02:51,330 And then he threatened my son. Wow. 2700 02:02:51,331 --> 02:02:53,098 He told me I would be put in the hole. 2701 02:02:53,099 --> 02:02:55,367 So, this whole thing came from the city attorney, 2702 02:02:55,368 --> 02:02:57,302 they had a hard one against Perry Sanders, 2703 02:02:57,303 --> 02:03:00,305 Mrs. Wallace, and Christopher's estate. 2704 02:03:00,306 --> 02:03:03,275 They, they did not, they did not like Perry Sanders, 2705 02:03:03,276 --> 02:03:07,379 they did not want them to get over, they felt, 2706 02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:09,582 on the city of Los Angeles. 2707 02:03:09,583 --> 02:03:12,251 But suddenly when it comes to matters of Death Row, 2708 02:03:12,252 --> 02:03:14,920 or it comes to matters of Suge Knight, 2709 02:03:14,921 --> 02:03:17,457 or it comes to matters of the Wallace investigation, 2710 02:03:17,458 --> 02:03:21,427 or LAPD corruption, these guys are bonkers now. 2711 02:03:21,428 --> 02:03:24,797 Anybody with half a brain can see what's going on here. 2712 02:03:24,798 --> 02:03:26,832 Let's suppose for a minute that 2713 02:03:26,833 --> 02:03:28,300 we say these guys aren't nuts. 2714 02:03:28,301 --> 02:03:32,472 Let's say we take at face value what these guys had to say. 2715 02:03:32,473 --> 02:03:35,508 Before they were tampered with, before they were threatened. 2716 02:03:35,509 --> 02:03:37,543 Before Chuck Phillips got to them. 2717 02:03:37,544 --> 02:03:38,811 Probably gonna write this story 2718 02:03:38,812 --> 02:03:40,814 by the end of next week. 2719 02:03:42,916 --> 02:03:45,485 I just think that that would be. 2720 02:03:45,486 --> 02:03:48,353 I want to be able to bring that up in the story, 2721 02:03:48,354 --> 02:03:50,055 but it would be much better to bring it up 2722 02:03:50,056 --> 02:03:52,024 if you were part of it, you know what I mean. 2723 02:03:52,025 --> 02:03:55,828 If you just would say, hey, I would, I would. 2724 02:03:55,829 --> 02:03:58,063 I mean, you don't have to say you can identify the guy, 2725 02:03:58,064 --> 02:04:01,567 all you have to say is I would go to a lineup. 2726 02:04:01,568 --> 02:04:03,736 So, because they've not even done that. 2727 02:04:03,737 --> 02:04:05,738 And they're trying to act like they have done it, 2728 02:04:05,739 --> 02:04:08,040 you know what I mean, that there's no reason to do it. 2729 02:04:08,041 --> 02:04:10,175 Yeah, you know. 2730 02:04:10,176 --> 02:04:12,244 Well, that's a question that I'm not gonna answer, 2731 02:04:12,245 --> 02:04:13,546 Chuck, one way or another. 2732 02:04:13,547 --> 02:04:15,948 Before the LAPD got to them, 2733 02:04:15,949 --> 02:04:20,085 before they had an opportunity to be dissuaded somehow. 2734 02:04:20,086 --> 02:04:22,622 We have been told numerous times, 2735 02:04:22,623 --> 02:04:25,190 by numerous people, including police officers, 2736 02:04:25,191 --> 02:04:27,192 that they're afraid to come forward. 2737 02:04:27,193 --> 02:04:29,562 First we have to look at what they said originally, 2738 02:04:29,563 --> 02:04:31,764 then we look at how they were tampered with, 2739 02:04:31,765 --> 02:04:33,799 because this is witness tampering. 2740 02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:36,135 Let's call it what it is. 2741 02:04:36,136 --> 02:04:38,704 These people had reliable information. 2742 02:04:38,705 --> 02:04:41,807 They had a track record of provable, reliable information. 2743 02:04:41,808 --> 02:04:43,676 They get tampered with. 2744 02:04:43,677 --> 02:04:45,911 Now all of a sudden they're afraid to talk. 2745 02:04:45,912 --> 02:04:47,880 Their stories are changing. 2746 02:04:47,881 --> 02:04:49,582 They're not right about certain facts 2747 02:04:49,583 --> 02:04:52,384 that they had been absolutely concrete sure of before. 2748 02:04:52,385 --> 02:04:54,754 And how does that not stink? 2749 02:04:54,755 --> 02:04:57,222 And they wanted a gang expert. 2750 02:04:57,223 --> 02:04:59,258 'Cause there were some gang issues in there, 2751 02:04:59,259 --> 02:05:01,460 and I was known, I've been known and still am 2752 02:05:01,461 --> 02:05:05,031 as a gang expert in the defense world also. 2753 02:05:06,432 --> 02:05:08,167 They called me, and I went down and talked to 'em 2754 02:05:08,168 --> 02:05:09,702 about the case, and told 'em yeah, 2755 02:05:09,703 --> 02:05:13,305 I'd be glad to work on it with ya, and be more than happy. 2756 02:05:13,306 --> 02:05:17,610 So I got retained and started working on it. 2757 02:05:17,611 --> 02:05:21,146 And got into it, and found out that, 2758 02:05:21,147 --> 02:05:23,115 well, I don't understand the gang issues, 2759 02:05:23,116 --> 02:05:26,886 there's no real gang involvement in this. 2760 02:05:26,887 --> 02:05:30,624 And I'm basically there as a police practices 2761 02:05:32,358 --> 02:05:35,194 expert at that time in court. 2762 02:05:35,195 --> 02:05:39,365 And so, they're having discussion and testimony about, 2763 02:05:42,302 --> 02:05:45,370 you know, informants and things, and Kading, and all that, 2764 02:05:45,371 --> 02:05:48,440 and he's up there and testifying went on. 2765 02:05:48,441 --> 02:05:51,276 The defense calls me, and I get on the witness stand, 2766 02:05:51,277 --> 02:05:53,545 and they're asking me. 2767 02:05:53,546 --> 02:05:57,650 And I says yeah, this is how you deal with informants. 2768 02:05:57,651 --> 02:06:01,153 This is the department protocol, and, 2769 02:06:01,154 --> 02:06:03,122 and there, you know, there's a manual. 2770 02:06:03,123 --> 02:06:05,958 There wasn't when I was on, but there is now. 2771 02:06:05,959 --> 02:06:10,130 And the judge turned over and asked me, he says, well, 2772 02:06:11,264 --> 02:06:13,265 what is your assessment, or how do you feel, 2773 02:06:13,266 --> 02:06:17,670 that Detective Kading handling of these informants? 2774 02:06:17,671 --> 02:06:20,740 And I said he sounded like he was totally out of control, 2775 02:06:20,741 --> 02:06:22,875 and totally out of policy to me, Your Honor. 2776 02:06:22,876 --> 02:06:27,046 He just, he did not follow the correct procedure. 2777 02:06:27,047 --> 02:06:30,415 And he goes, okay, and then he, the judge told 2778 02:06:30,416 --> 02:06:34,286 the US Attorney that I want to see the informant manual. 2779 02:06:34,287 --> 02:06:35,988 Well, there isn't one, Your Honor. 2780 02:06:35,989 --> 02:06:37,690 Kading's telling the federal 2781 02:06:37,691 --> 02:06:39,825 prosecutor there is no such thing. 2782 02:06:39,826 --> 02:06:42,695 But we know, we know there is. 2783 02:06:42,696 --> 02:06:46,031 And, he said, I want that manual 2784 02:06:46,032 --> 02:06:48,101 in my office in one hour. 2785 02:06:49,970 --> 02:06:51,971 And they went and got it. 2786 02:06:51,972 --> 02:06:56,008 And so that, basically, put Kading in a real cross, 2787 02:06:56,009 --> 02:06:59,278 because he has testified that there is no such thing, 2788 02:06:59,279 --> 02:07:00,780 and there was. 2789 02:07:00,781 --> 02:07:02,882 But the federal prosecutor believed Kading 2790 02:07:02,883 --> 02:07:04,984 that there wasn't anything, and there was. 2791 02:07:04,985 --> 02:07:08,487 And then you saw exactly what I laid out, 2792 02:07:08,488 --> 02:07:10,823 as to how it's to be handled. 2793 02:07:10,824 --> 02:07:13,092 Well come to find out, and I listened to a lot 2794 02:07:13,093 --> 02:07:15,260 of the tapes of him and his informants. 2795 02:07:15,261 --> 02:07:17,730 Why he taped himself, I'll never know. 2796 02:07:17,731 --> 02:07:22,267 Because he's promising these guys houses and money, 2797 02:07:22,268 --> 02:07:24,569 and all these things, I need you to say this, 2798 02:07:24,570 --> 02:07:27,807 I need you to say, and then I have phone conversations 2799 02:07:27,808 --> 02:07:31,443 of the informant telling other guys, yeah, 2800 02:07:31,444 --> 02:07:33,879 all I had to do, I have to say this, this, and that, 2801 02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,248 I'm at 400 grand, I'm gonna get a, you know, 2802 02:07:36,249 --> 02:07:38,317 a $500,000 home, I'm gonna be living there, 2803 02:07:38,318 --> 02:07:40,085 I'm gonna be living high on the hog, 2804 02:07:40,086 --> 02:07:42,654 I'm gonna be doing it bro, and all this, and I'm like. 2805 02:07:42,655 --> 02:07:46,125 You can't promise people, you can't. 2806 02:07:46,126 --> 02:07:50,996 You can't buy informants. 2807 02:07:50,997 --> 02:07:54,499 You can't offer them anything for that. 2808 02:07:54,500 --> 02:07:57,837 You have to tell them that I can't give you anything, 2809 02:07:57,838 --> 02:07:59,371 I have no authority to give you anything... 2810 02:07:59,372 --> 02:08:00,906 Who would believe that? 2811 02:08:00,907 --> 02:08:02,374 If somebody, you're gonna get half a million dollars 2812 02:08:02,375 --> 02:08:05,210 if you testify like that, who would believe him anyway? 2813 02:08:05,211 --> 02:08:07,246 I mean, really, are they that gullible? 2814 02:08:07,247 --> 02:08:08,948 Well, it was on tape. 2815 02:08:08,949 --> 02:08:12,384 You didn't have to believe him, it was on tape. 2816 02:08:12,385 --> 02:08:14,954 That's why I don't understand why he taped himself 2817 02:08:14,955 --> 02:08:17,122 when he visited these guys alone. 2818 02:08:17,123 --> 02:08:19,291 He never had a partner with him, 2819 02:08:19,292 --> 02:08:21,293 and he never had a witness or anything, 2820 02:08:21,294 --> 02:08:22,494 but he taped himself. 2821 02:08:22,495 --> 02:08:23,896 He even taped himself on the phone, 2822 02:08:23,897 --> 02:08:27,800 and I just don't understand the mentality 2823 02:08:27,801 --> 02:08:32,271 of someone that's a seasoned officer or detective that 2824 02:08:32,272 --> 02:08:34,573 he knows they're taping this. 2825 02:08:34,574 --> 02:08:38,077 My understanding is is that when 2826 02:08:38,078 --> 02:08:41,413 the case was, almost all the charges were dismissed. 2827 02:08:41,414 --> 02:08:44,751 There were some minor bookkeeping things 2828 02:08:46,552 --> 02:08:50,890 the feds had on Torres, and he got some real tiny conviction 2829 02:08:50,891 --> 02:08:55,061 on some housekeeping and bookkeeping things or something, 2830 02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:57,696 everything else was dismissed. 2831 02:08:57,697 --> 02:09:02,367 The murder, the drugs, all that stuff was all kicked out. 2832 02:09:02,368 --> 02:09:05,471 Was not guilty by jury, and the judge 2833 02:09:07,073 --> 02:09:12,077 informed Kading that I don't ever wanna know or see 2834 02:09:12,078 --> 02:09:14,814 or hear of you being in a federal court building, 2835 02:09:14,815 --> 02:09:18,550 and you're never allowed in my courtroom ever again. 2836 02:09:18,551 --> 02:09:22,021 And made mention to the US Attorney that 2837 02:09:22,022 --> 02:09:25,424 he feels that they should contact the department 2838 02:09:25,425 --> 02:09:28,560 and let them know what had transpired here. 2839 02:09:28,561 --> 02:09:29,628 Were you around when they said that? 2840 02:09:29,629 --> 02:09:30,463 Yeah. 2841 02:09:30,463 --> 02:09:31,297 You were there? 2842 02:09:31,298 --> 02:09:32,565 Yeah, and so. 2843 02:09:33,967 --> 02:09:37,269 That's all I know, and I never saw or heard of Kading 2844 02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:38,503 again. Right. 2845 02:09:38,504 --> 02:09:42,374 I've seen this with other detectives at LAPD 2846 02:09:42,375 --> 02:09:44,176 on other cases in state court, 2847 02:09:44,177 --> 02:09:47,980 where they were caught in a lie on the witness stand, 2848 02:09:47,981 --> 02:09:51,316 and the judge whitewashed it as a, well, 2849 02:09:51,317 --> 02:09:53,853 they were just embellishing, they weren't really lying. 2850 02:09:53,854 --> 02:09:56,055 And then when it gets back to the department, 2851 02:09:56,056 --> 02:09:58,557 they slapped their hand like, well, 2852 02:09:58,558 --> 02:10:01,160 you can't be in homicide for three or four weeks, 2853 02:10:01,161 --> 02:10:02,494 and then he's right back in. 2854 02:10:02,495 --> 02:10:04,463 It's like nothing happens. 2855 02:10:04,464 --> 02:10:08,800 Like any public entity, they don't want to take a hit 2856 02:10:08,801 --> 02:10:12,471 in public that puts the reputation or anything 2857 02:10:12,472 --> 02:10:14,840 of the department down, and so. 2858 02:10:14,841 --> 02:10:18,177 It's a common practice with just about anywhere. 2859 02:10:18,178 --> 02:10:20,913 They don't wanna take that kind of hit, 2860 02:10:20,914 --> 02:10:22,747 you know, unless they have to, like, 2861 02:10:22,748 --> 02:10:25,750 you know, the black eye from Raphael Perez, where, 2862 02:10:25,751 --> 02:10:29,955 in my era, if I was caught lying on the witness stand, 2863 02:10:29,956 --> 02:10:31,256 it would have been the end of my career. 2864 02:10:31,257 --> 02:10:32,691 I would have been fired. 2865 02:10:32,692 --> 02:10:35,360 They wouldn't have whitewashed, they would have fired me. 2866 02:10:35,361 --> 02:10:38,797 Because as that point of you lying, 2867 02:10:38,798 --> 02:10:42,034 you are no longer any use to the department 2868 02:10:42,035 --> 02:10:46,171 because you can not testify on any case anymore. 2869 02:10:46,172 --> 02:10:48,407 You're not trustworthy anymore. 2870 02:10:48,408 --> 02:10:50,442 They can't use you anymore. 2871 02:10:50,443 --> 02:10:54,346 Because you've already lied on the record in a courtroom, 2872 02:10:54,347 --> 02:10:56,848 and therefore you have no credibility anymore, 2873 02:10:56,849 --> 02:10:58,250 so therefore they can't use you. 2874 02:10:58,251 --> 02:11:01,386 But, it seemed like nobody cared. 2875 02:11:01,387 --> 02:11:06,291 You have to understand that Greg Kading admitted in 2011 2876 02:11:06,292 --> 02:11:09,694 and several years after he was off the police department, 2877 02:11:09,695 --> 02:11:13,432 that he personally had not seen any of the evidence 2878 02:11:13,433 --> 02:11:15,500 that had been presented in discovery. 2879 02:11:15,501 --> 02:11:17,102 Well, what was the whole entire nature 2880 02:11:17,103 --> 02:11:18,503 of the Wallace lawsuit? 2881 02:11:18,504 --> 02:11:20,940 The entire nature of the Wallace lawsuit was that 2882 02:11:20,941 --> 02:11:23,708 cops were involved, and that David Mack was involved, 2883 02:11:23,709 --> 02:11:25,477 and that Raphael Perez was involved, 2884 02:11:25,478 --> 02:11:27,112 and that Amir Muhammed was involved. 2885 02:11:27,113 --> 02:11:30,082 That was the entire scope of the Wallace investigation. 2886 02:11:30,083 --> 02:11:32,751 So if you're a detective and you've seen nothing 2887 02:11:32,752 --> 02:11:35,587 that puts forward any new evidence or any new information 2888 02:11:35,588 --> 02:11:37,522 to support that theory, how in the world 2889 02:11:37,523 --> 02:11:40,993 can you say you've actually investigated it at all? 2890 02:11:40,994 --> 02:11:44,998 If you do not include box B, along with box A. 2891 02:11:47,067 --> 02:11:50,702 And explain everything in those boxes, 2892 02:11:50,703 --> 02:11:54,106 of course, you're an incompetent investigator, one. 2893 02:11:54,107 --> 02:11:57,277 Two, you're a fraudulent investigator. 2894 02:11:58,178 --> 02:12:00,179 And, you've just disgraced 2895 02:12:00,180 --> 02:12:02,447 the law enforcement code of ethics. 2896 02:12:02,448 --> 02:12:04,316 Greg Kading and some other people that 2897 02:12:04,317 --> 02:12:06,585 he was affiliated with put that letter online, 2898 02:12:06,586 --> 02:12:08,720 and then started immediately saying, 2899 02:12:08,721 --> 02:12:10,089 oh, how ridiculous this is. 2900 02:12:10,090 --> 02:12:11,556 Oh, here goes R.J. Bond again. 2901 02:12:11,557 --> 02:12:14,426 But again, like I said, nobody really has come back with, 2902 02:12:14,427 --> 02:12:16,161 other than, oh that's silly. 2903 02:12:16,162 --> 02:12:20,599 You haven't considered box B, and the evidence in there. 2904 02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:23,935 That could refute and change everything. 2905 02:12:23,936 --> 02:12:26,538 So your investigation is not complete. 2906 02:12:26,539 --> 02:12:29,641 I've talked to the US Attorneys out here 2907 02:12:29,642 --> 02:12:33,813 that had that Kading case, and he's like, his name is mud. 2908 02:12:39,319 --> 02:12:42,521 It turns out a few months after the Biggie Smalls killing, 2909 02:12:42,522 --> 02:12:45,525 that there was actually a secret bid 2910 02:12:47,193 --> 02:12:49,862 auction for helicopters that the 2911 02:12:51,197 --> 02:12:53,398 Compton Police Department owned. 2912 02:12:53,399 --> 02:12:56,268 One of the bidders on this secret bid, 2913 02:12:56,269 --> 02:13:00,705 that was a sealed bid, was the city of Las Vegas. 2914 02:13:00,706 --> 02:13:03,142 Vegas has to be told to shut up. 2915 02:13:03,143 --> 02:13:04,643 They have to be hushed. 2916 02:13:04,644 --> 02:13:06,345 Because when they're gonna get pinched in a corner, 2917 02:13:06,346 --> 02:13:08,247 the FBI rocks over too many cases, 2918 02:13:08,248 --> 02:13:09,914 they're not gonna be able to basically 2919 02:13:09,915 --> 02:13:12,884 contain what they believe to be the truth about it, 2920 02:13:12,885 --> 02:13:14,786 and I think that was always the veiled threat. 2921 02:13:14,787 --> 02:13:16,555 Hey, you push us too hard, we're gonna 2922 02:13:16,556 --> 02:13:18,390 talk about the whole stinking affair. 2923 02:13:18,391 --> 02:13:19,858 We know it exists. 2924 02:13:19,859 --> 02:13:23,228 Anybody with half a brain can see what's going on here. 2925 02:13:23,229 --> 02:13:25,697 And if you really wanted to go in that direction, 2926 02:13:25,698 --> 02:13:28,167 we can push it that way. 2927 02:13:28,168 --> 02:13:29,534 That's when Compton said, oh, 2928 02:13:29,535 --> 02:13:30,869 let's change our tact a little bit. 2929 02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:32,604 Maybe we won't push so hard. 2930 02:13:32,605 --> 02:13:34,073 Maybe we won't say you guys are dummies. 2931 02:13:34,074 --> 02:13:37,742 In fact, why don't we give you something nice. 2932 02:13:37,743 --> 02:13:39,244 Why don't we treat you good. 2933 02:13:39,245 --> 02:13:40,512 Why don't we give you something 2934 02:13:40,513 --> 02:13:42,447 that you can turn around and flip, 2935 02:13:42,448 --> 02:13:44,583 and make a little bit of a profit on. 2936 02:13:44,584 --> 02:13:46,251 The City Council just knew that the helicopters 2937 02:13:46,252 --> 02:13:47,786 were to be declared surplus. 2938 02:13:47,787 --> 02:13:49,954 The City Council has no idea of what helicopters do, 2939 02:13:49,955 --> 02:13:52,124 and they're not in the helicopter business, 2940 02:13:52,125 --> 02:13:55,160 so they wouldn't know how much these helicopters were worth. 2941 02:13:55,161 --> 02:13:57,028 And so if you're gonna give 'em away to Vegas, 2942 02:13:57,029 --> 02:13:58,730 give 'em away to Vegas, sure, no problem. 2943 02:13:58,731 --> 02:14:00,031 How 'bout the helicopter? 2944 02:14:00,032 --> 02:14:01,266 That went to Vegas? 2945 02:14:01,267 --> 02:14:02,734 Man, I tell you, the night of that meeting, 2946 02:14:02,735 --> 02:14:05,104 I'm getting sent the city of Las Vegas' budget, 2947 02:14:05,105 --> 02:14:07,072 it's damn near a billion dollars a year. 2948 02:14:07,073 --> 02:14:09,174 Our budget is 163 million. 2949 02:14:09,175 --> 02:14:11,243 And we selling them a helicopter? 2950 02:14:11,244 --> 02:14:14,213 We had a four seat jet helicopter, 2951 02:14:14,214 --> 02:14:15,714 it cost a million dollars. 2952 02:14:15,715 --> 02:14:19,284 And you're talking about a helicopter? 2953 02:14:19,285 --> 02:14:20,319 Give me a break. 2954 02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:21,520 From the looks of it, 2955 02:14:21,521 --> 02:14:23,155 it doesn't appear that that transaction 2956 02:14:23,156 --> 02:14:26,291 was actually sanctioned in any kind of a 2957 02:14:26,292 --> 02:14:30,463 city council or budget meeting in the city of Las Vegas. 2958 02:14:32,832 --> 02:14:34,799 Tell us what we're doing. 2959 02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:38,971 So, we're looking for records of a helicopter transfer. 2960 02:14:40,373 --> 02:14:44,876 If there was an exchange of a helicopter from 2961 02:14:44,877 --> 02:14:49,048 Compton PD to LVMPD, you're never gonna find it in LVMPD. 2962 02:14:50,516 --> 02:14:51,650 You won't find it. 2963 02:14:51,651 --> 02:14:53,618 That, those documents are destroyed, 2964 02:14:53,619 --> 02:14:56,888 and the tracking of that money is just about 2965 02:14:56,889 --> 02:14:58,890 as hard to track that money as it is 2966 02:14:58,891 --> 02:15:01,092 to the police radio system money. 2967 02:15:01,093 --> 02:15:03,428 It's nonexistent anymore. 2968 02:15:03,429 --> 02:15:05,430 It's bought, it stays off the books, 2969 02:15:05,431 --> 02:15:09,901 and no one has any idea that this helicopter was purchased. 2970 02:15:09,902 --> 02:15:14,105 So, we hear that they got this brand spankin' new 2971 02:15:14,106 --> 02:15:16,676 $50,000 helicopter engine, and, 2972 02:15:19,645 --> 02:15:21,246 they don't read the instruction manual, 2973 02:15:21,247 --> 02:15:23,682 and they burn it up right there on the pad, 2974 02:15:23,683 --> 02:15:26,551 so there's another $50,000 right out the door, 2975 02:15:26,552 --> 02:15:29,053 and it was right around this same time frame. 2976 02:15:29,054 --> 02:15:33,124 I'm just wondering if there was some kind of connection. 2977 02:15:38,431 --> 02:15:41,633 This wasn't a grand conspiracy, but rather, 2978 02:15:41,634 --> 02:15:46,171 a few individuals that were very good at gaming the system. 2979 02:15:46,172 --> 02:15:49,608 After Tupac was dead, and having missed their opportunity 2980 02:15:49,609 --> 02:15:53,712 to kill Suge Knight, the conspirators put him in prison 2981 02:15:53,713 --> 02:15:57,216 so they could rape and plunder Death Row Records. 2982 02:15:57,217 --> 02:15:59,951 They were able to sell most of their crimes leading up 2983 02:15:59,952 --> 02:16:04,022 to the murders as a gang thing that was unsolvable. 2984 02:16:04,023 --> 02:16:06,157 When the narrative didn't gain traction, 2985 02:16:06,158 --> 02:16:10,161 they elevated the narrative by killing Biggie as an 2986 02:16:10,162 --> 02:16:14,334 East Coast/West Coast feud that was equally unsolvable. 2987 02:16:15,668 --> 02:16:18,337 They sold this narrative through Tim Brennan's affidavit. 2988 02:16:18,338 --> 02:16:21,873 And they sold it through Chuck Phillips' LA Times articles. 2989 02:16:21,874 --> 02:16:25,610 As the truth began to emerge in Biggie and Tupac, 2990 02:16:25,611 --> 02:16:27,546 and the Wallace civil trials, 2991 02:16:27,547 --> 02:16:30,349 they suppressed the truth in the first trial, 2992 02:16:30,350 --> 02:16:32,851 and used Waymond Anderson to sell the narrative 2993 02:16:32,852 --> 02:16:35,320 and derail the second trial. 2994 02:16:35,321 --> 02:16:39,057 To galvanize this narrative, they used an ex-LAPD cop 2995 02:16:39,058 --> 02:16:40,959 to sell it, yet again. 2996 02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:43,795 They'll do anything to obfuscate the truth 2997 02:16:43,796 --> 02:16:46,665 and sell you this murder as unsolvable. 2998 02:16:46,666 --> 02:16:50,635 In spite of hundreds of witnesses in very public places, 2999 02:16:50,636 --> 02:16:54,706 because they are still gaming the system. 3000 02:16:54,707 --> 02:16:56,741 I don't take any criticism 3001 02:16:56,742 --> 02:16:58,543 of the Los Angeles Police Department, 3002 02:16:58,544 --> 02:17:01,546 or any criticism against law enforcement lightly. 3003 02:17:01,547 --> 02:17:04,583 Because my family was a family of cops. 3004 02:17:04,584 --> 02:17:07,352 My grandfather was on the Los Angeles Police Department. 3005 02:17:07,353 --> 02:17:10,221 My father was on the Los Angeles Police Department. 3006 02:17:10,222 --> 02:17:14,225 I knew cops every day, and it makes me sad to think that 3007 02:17:14,226 --> 02:17:17,796 these people that are involved in these crimes have sullied 3008 02:17:17,797 --> 02:17:20,365 the reputation of great men and women that are out there, 3009 02:17:20,366 --> 02:17:22,233 because there are a lot of them out there. 3010 02:17:22,234 --> 02:17:26,405 The only way police misconduct can occur is if it is 3011 02:17:26,406 --> 02:17:30,642 condoned and tolerated by upper police management. 3012 02:17:30,643 --> 02:17:32,811 That's it, that's the bottom line. 3013 02:17:32,812 --> 02:17:34,813 There were no convictions as a result 3014 02:17:34,814 --> 02:17:37,549 of the Compton PD investigation. 3015 02:17:37,550 --> 02:17:41,720 There were no convictions for the Tupac Shakur killing. 3016 02:17:41,721 --> 02:17:45,056 There were no convictions for the Biggie Smalls killing. 3017 02:17:45,057 --> 02:17:48,960 There were no convictions for the acts of very bad people. 3018 02:17:48,961 --> 02:17:51,663 And now the lack of conviction 3019 02:17:51,664 --> 02:17:54,299 and the lack of prosecution against certain individuals 3020 02:17:54,300 --> 02:17:57,168 that we know did some really bad things 3021 02:17:57,169 --> 02:18:01,105 are being used as a rationalization and a justification 3022 02:18:01,106 --> 02:18:03,808 that they're actually good people. 3023 02:18:03,809 --> 02:18:08,447 The reality is that Al Capone was never charged with murder. 3024 02:18:08,448 --> 02:18:10,649 Al Capone was charged with tax evasion. 3025 02:18:10,650 --> 02:18:12,351 Did it mean there weren't people 3026 02:18:12,352 --> 02:18:14,419 that were dead as a result of Al Capone? 3027 02:18:14,420 --> 02:18:15,887 Yeah, there were. 3028 02:18:15,888 --> 02:18:18,390 But he was never charged with murder. 3029 02:18:18,391 --> 02:18:21,192 And if that's gonna be our rationale as a society, 3030 02:18:21,193 --> 02:18:24,663 well I didn't get caught, so it must be okay. 3031 02:18:24,664 --> 02:18:27,632 Then we have a long way to go. 3032 02:18:27,633 --> 02:18:29,668 Do it the right way. 3033 02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:31,536 Reduced to three words. 3034 02:18:31,537 --> 02:18:32,772 Be high minded. 3035 02:18:34,540 --> 02:18:37,610 Three more words, remain high minded. 3036 02:18:39,011 --> 02:18:41,646 That's the message I want them giving to people. 3037 02:18:41,647 --> 02:18:46,217 Before, not after, they face the first fork in the road. 3038 02:18:46,218 --> 02:18:48,387 Do I do the right thing today, 3039 02:18:48,388 --> 02:18:50,489 or do I go off the path? 3040 02:18:50,490 --> 02:18:52,992 And do I become corrupt today? 245385

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