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I today announce my intention
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to nominate United States
Court of Appeals Judge Robert H. Bork
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to be an Associate Justice
of the Supreme Court.
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The drumbeat continued today
from both camps
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in the pitched battle
over the President's nomination
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of Judge Robert Bork to the Supreme Court.
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The lobbying is having an effect
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with the Senate mailroom
reported days behind
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under a deluge of mail on Bork.
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Mr. President, looks like the Bork
nomination will fail in the Committee.
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Over my dead body,
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The yeas are 42. The nays are 58.
The nomination is not confirmed.
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If we intend to turn
the United States Supreme Court
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into an election process,
let's change the Constitution,
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and let's elect a Supreme Court judge
of the United States.
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I, George Herbert Walker Bush,
do solemnly swear
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that I will faithfully execute the office
of President of the United States.
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Thurgood Marshall, the Supreme Court's
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first and only black justice,
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announced his retirement today,
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In a letter to President Bush, Marshall said,
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"The strenuous demands
of court work appear at this time
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"to be incompatible with
my advancing age and medical condition."
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President Bush said today his nomination
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to replace retiring
Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall
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could come in a few days,
but should that person be black?
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A minority appointment
could certainly neutralize
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a lot of potential opposition.
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Marshall warned that the emphasis on race
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in choosing his successor
might have negative results.
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My dad told me way back
that you can't use race.
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For example, there's no difference
between a white snake and a black snake.
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They'll both bite.
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This is a special report.
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We are told the President
is going to announce
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his nominee to the Supreme Court.
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Well, I am very pleased to announce
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that I will nominate Judge Clarence Thomas
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to serve as Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court.
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Clarence Thomas fits my description
of the best man at the right time.
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President Bush has moved to
cement the conservative majority
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on the United States Supreme Court
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by nominating federal judge Clarence Thomas
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to fill the seat left vacant by the
retirement of Justice Thurgood Marshall.
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As with Marshall, Thomas is a black man,
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a man born to poverty in a segregated South,
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a man who benefited from
the legal legacy of Justice Marshall.
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The more that people see
and hear of Clarence Thomas,
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the more they will be persuaded
that his brand of integrity
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and independence and common sense
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is exactly what we need in this time.
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In New York City today,
several thousand demonstrators
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protested against the Supreme Court decision
restricting abortion counseling
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and urged Congress to reject
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President Bush's nomination of
Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
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Clarence Thomas is an insult
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to the life and legacy of Thurgood Marshall
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and everything he stood and worked for.
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At a national gathering
of civil rights activists in Memphis,
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black leaders are vocal in their reaction
to the Supreme Court nominee.
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Simply to appoint a black person
doesn't make it right.
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We have to Bork Thomas.
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We don't wait for questions.
We simply immediately Bork him,
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kill him politically,
and kill Bush in the meantime.
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How about a Caribbean Cruise?
www . Casino Royal Dragon . com
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Ricki Seidman.
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Hey, Ricki, it's Nan
at the Alliance For Justice.
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You know that thing
we've been hearing all summer
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about how Thomas treated women
who worked for him?
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- Yeah.
- I finally found a name.
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In 1946, a black woman
wanted to study law here
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at the University of Oklahoma.
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At the time, it was illegal
for blacks and whites
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to study together in this state,
so Miss Sipuel sued.
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- What are you gonna do?
- Nothing.
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You don't want to say anything?
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This man could end up on the Supreme Court.
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At the EEOC,
I saw women have their lives ruined
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because they spoke out against
a manager at a diner.
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What do you think would happen to me?
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Okay.
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Lots of people will fight this nomination.
It doesn't have to be me.
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Okay.
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- Clarence Thomas?
- Yes.
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There you go.
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There he is.
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- There is the man of the hour.
- None of this...
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Now, what did I tell you?
What did I tell you 20 years ago?
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You said, "Come work for me,
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"and I'll only pay you $11,000 a year."
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What I said was... What I said was,
you have a huge future ahead of you.
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Judge Clarence Thomas appears
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headed for confirmation
to the Supreme Court.
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I think he'll be confirmed.
I think he should be confirmed.
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We'll find it
intellectually stimulating hearings,
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but I don't see many fireworks.
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Clarence, Ginni. First day of the hearings.
How you feeling?
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- Good. Glad to finally be here.
- Good. Good.
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Now just remember, some of these Democrats
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on the Committee are gonna be a hard sell.
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Worst case scenario,
seven of them vote against you.
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That still leaves seven voting for you.
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And a tie takes you to the full Senate.
We're in great shape.
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Even with the Democratic majority?
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Ginni, we only need 50 votes.
At last count, we had 60.
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And as popular as the President is,
number could even go up higher,
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so don't worry if you catch a little heat
in these hearings.
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Yeah, good to know that. Thank you.
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Let's get in there.
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- Judge.
- Senator.
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- Mrs. Thomas.
- Senator.
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In a clearly symbolic gesture,
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Strom Thurmond, ranking Republican
on the Judiciary Committee
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and former segregationist, is escorting
Judge Thomas into the chamber.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I...
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I would like to first introduce you
to my wife Virginia.
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Welcome, Mrs. Thomas.
It's a pleasure to have you here.
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And my son Jamal.
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Welcome, Jamal.
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There are not enough words
to express my deep gratitude
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and appreciation to Senator Danforth.
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- Hello?
- May I speak with Anita Hill?
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- This is Anita.
- This is Ricki Seidman.
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I'm an investigator
in Senator Kennedy's office.
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I'm doing background checks
on Clarence Thomas
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in reference to his nomination
to the Supreme Court.
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I know you worked for Judge Thomas.
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Can I ask some questions about him?
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Miss Seidman, the hearings are starting.
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Isn't it late to be doing background checks?
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You worked for him twice, right,
at Education and EEOC?
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- That's right.
- Good experiences?
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I was proud of things we accomplished
at both offices.
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Professor, we've heard that Judge Thomas
mistreated young women
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who worked for him at the EEOC.
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Do you know anything about that?
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That's not something I can talk about.
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Why not?
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I'll put it this way.
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If I were advising someone who were
a victim of his unwanted advances,
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I don't think I would suggest
that she come forward.
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In my experience, in a case like this,
when someone comes forward,
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the victim tends to become the villain.
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Professor, in the next few decades,
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the Supreme Court will be
making crucial decisions
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that will have a real impact
on the lives of American women.
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If there were less at stake, I wouldn't ask.
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Were you one of the victims of his advances?
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What I say is
to the Senate Judiciary Committee only,
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not for public consumption.
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Agreed.
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I wouldn't want it to appear
that I had a political agenda.
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I'll make it clear.
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I came to you.
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My earliest memories are those
of Pin Point, Georgia,
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a life far removed in space and time
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from this room, this day,
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- this moment.
- It started at the Department of Education.
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But I have always carried
in my heart the values of my youth.
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The values of my grandparents
and my neighbors.
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The values of people
who believe so very deeply in this country
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in spite of all of the contradictions.
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It is my hope that
when these hearings are complete,
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that this Committee will conclude
that I am an honest, decent,
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fair person.
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We begin tonight's coverage with
NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Capitol Hill.
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Clarence Thomas held
the Judiciary Committee spellbound today
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as he talked about
growing up in poverty and racism.
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- Why are you bringing this to me?
- You're an investigator.
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Follow up. Call her.
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I can't do that, not from this office.
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You know how Biden is
about this type of thing. He'd never...
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Carolyn, what she's alleging
is sexual harassment.
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It's against the law.
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Okay, so bring it to your own senator.
Have him deal with it.
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Kennedy can lead the charge
on a lot of issues.
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Sexual impropriety isn't one of them.
We both know that.
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Fine, let's play this out.
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Say I do investigate and it pans out.
Then what?
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Then the Committee calls Thomas on it.
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And which senator is gonna take that on?
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Not mine. Certainly not yours.
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I don't know. Leahy maybe. Simon.
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Okay, but even if they were up for it,
what about the others?
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I mean, Ricki,
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half these guys have their own
very shaky dynamics with women.
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They are not gonna want this door to open.
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Well, they might not have a choice.
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The people who gave me Anita Hill's name
expect us to investigate it.
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If we don't, they'll probably leak it.
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So she's saying what? That he touched her?
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No, she says it was verbal.
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- Any other women saying the same thing?
- Not that we know of.
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She does have
a corroborating witness, though.
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A friend she told at the time.
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Somebody credible?
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A judge, and Hill is a law professor,
so, on paper at least, yes.
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When is she saying this happened?
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Ten years ago.
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Ten years ago?
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Carolyn, he's been approved
for three federal jobs in that time.
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- I know that.
- Why didn't she bring it up before?
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She didn't bring it up now, okay?
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We called her. She didn't want to talk about it,
and she really does not want this getting out.
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Yeah, no kidding. That makes two of us.
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I do not want to go after this guy
on a sex charge, Carolyn.
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This is, this is exactly
the kind of thing I hate.
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Yeah, I understand.
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And what if she's lying?
You understand that?
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Then you got me bringing up
a bunch of bogus dirt
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on a federal judge's past,
and I'm the bad guy in all this.
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She... She didn't want to talk about it?
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Not at first, no.
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Well, hell, I mean,
I don't want to force a reluctant woman
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to have to come in here
and talk about all this stuff.
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This is...
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What if we just... Can we just let it go?
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Well, uh...
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We're not the, the only people
who know about this, so...
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Shit. All right, call the FBI.
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Have them look into the whole thing.
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They're gonna run
the whole gauntlet on this thing.
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They got to go quick on that report.
We've got to vote on this guy in a week.
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You didn't need to do this, you know.
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We have agents coming to interview you.
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Yes, but since the FBI
reports to the White House,
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I thought it was important that I say
what I have to say in my own words,
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so there's no room for misunderstandings.
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Judge Clarence Thomas?
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Yes.
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Anita Hill?
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Yes. Come in.
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Clarence?
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What's wrong?
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A former employee,
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someone I hired, mentored,
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told the FBI that
I was inappropriate with her...
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...that I harassed her...
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Sexually.
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Is there any basis for it?
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None. She worked for me.
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I treated her the same way
I treat other people working for me.
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- Then why is she saying this?
- I don't know.
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How can I answer that?
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Someone lies about me.
How am I supposed to know why?
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Don't yell. I'm just asking.
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I'm sorry. I'm upset.
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I don't understand.
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Maybe someone is putting her up to this.
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There are a lot of groups out there
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that can't stand the thought
of you on the Court.
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They can't beat you honorably,
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so they come after you like this,
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with lies and slander.
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But thank goodness the FBI is on it.
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They will see it for what it is, right?
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It's political nonsense.
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Okay. Thank you.
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So the FBI's looked into it.
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The upshot is,
she says one thing, he says another.
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How thorough was the investigation?
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Oh, it wasn't exhaustive.
Christ, they had two days to do it.
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It's a serious charge
that deserves serious attention.
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We got a vote scheduled
on this guy in two days.
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To dig into all this,
we're gonna have to postpone that,
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and I can't do that without an explanation.
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Neither of them wants this thing public,
so unless somebody has a better plan,
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we're gonna vote on the nominee
on Friday as scheduled.
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We'll send him on
to the full Senate for their vote.
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He showed the report
to the whole Committee?
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Yes, but it's fine.
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Clarence, these guys are senators.
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They know a BS ploy when they see one.
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And even if they wanted
to make something of it,
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which they don't, who would dare?
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I mean, DeConcini,
he's up to his neck in ethics charges.
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And Kennedy, after the summer he's had...
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You're saying I shouldn't care that
my name is gonna be linked to this garbage?
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You're saying that I shouldn't care
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that when people think of me,
they're gonna think of this?
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I'm saying no one will think of this.
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But I can't not care. I'm not Kennedy.
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I'm a black man in America.
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This is a very different thing for me.
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- Mr. Thurmond?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Hatch?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Simpson?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Grassley?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Specter?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Brown?
- Aye.
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- Mr. Biden?
- No.
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The 14 members of the Committee
split right down the middle,
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seven for and seven against his nomination.
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The message,
Thomas is not a great candidate.
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Still, his nomination was sent
to the full Senate,
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where it is all but certain
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that he will be confirmed.
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- Hello?
- Professor Hill, this is Nina Totenberg
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from National Public Radio.
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I received a copy of the affidavit
that you faxed the Judiciary Committee
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stating that Clarence Thomas
sexually harassed you.
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I'd like to ask you some questions.
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Jesus!
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God damn it. Fuck.
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"Fuck" is right.
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I have Nina Totenberg and Tim Phelps
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asking me about Clarence Thomas
and sexual harassment.
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God damn it.
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Did they say who leaked it?
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- No, of course not.
- All right, draw up a statement.
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Say the charges have been investigated,
found to be baseless.
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The President has total faith in his nominee.
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- Does the President know?
- I'll tell him.
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Hello.
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Hi!
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I'm gonna be in the news tomorrow.
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Um...
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Some of the things they'll be reporting
will be shocking to you.
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I'm so sorry for that.
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This is Weekend Edition. I'm Liane Hansen.
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A woman who served as personal assistant
to Clarence Thomas for over two years
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has accused him of sexually harassing her.
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NPR's Nina Totenberg reports.
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Law professor Anita Hill said she had much
in common with Clarence Thomas
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and that she initially believed
that common background
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was one of the reasons he hired her
as his personal assistant 10 years ago.
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According to Hill's affidavit,
Thomas soon began asking her out socially
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and refused to accept her explanation
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that she did not think it appropriate
to go out with her boss.
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Thomas, after a brief work discussion,
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would, quote, "turn conversation to
discussions about his sexual interests."
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He never touched her,
she acknowledged in an interview,
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and he never directly threatened her job,
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but she said she was 25,
and she began to worry
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that she would soon suffer professionally
if she did not submit.
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Several senators contacted by NPR
say they are troubled by the Hill allegations
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and the long delay in investigating them
by Chairman Biden.
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Carolyn, all right, look,
she's out there making it sound
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like we haven't done a goddamn thing on this.
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I want a full chronology,
who called who and when, all right?
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I'm not gonna be the bad guy on this thing.
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- Tom, I need those phone logs.
- What happened?
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I promised her this wouldn't get out.
I gave my word.
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That was pretty fucking stupid, wasn't it?
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Nothing like this stays secret in this town.
You should know that.
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Trouble today for President Bush's already
controversial Supreme Court nominee
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Clarence Thomas.
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Leading Democrats label the charges,
quote, "very disturbing."
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The senator says this is
the kind of thing one expects
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in the last moments of a political campaign,
not a judicial confirmation.
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The whole thing, says Danforth,
has a very definite and strong aroma to it.
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I just spoke with Mrs. Thomas.
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He's writing an affidavit.
He wants to release it to the press.
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Hell, no. Get on that.
Everything goes through me.
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Yeah.
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It's basically the same as yours,
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except instead of refuting her claims
one by one like you did,
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we thought it made more sense
to offer a single categorical denial.
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Why?
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It's just us being extra careful
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in the off chance that, at some point,
something was said by you.
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Some off-the-cuff comment,
not inappropriate,
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but which she took to be inappropriate.
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- You don't believe me.
- No, we do. We do.
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If something happened and you sign
anything asserting that it didn't,
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it's a misstatement of sworn fact.
It's grounds for impeachment.
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Forget the Supreme Court, Clarence,
you could lose your current job.
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I know that, Ken.
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- She's here!
- Professor Hill!
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Anita, did a political group
put you up to this?
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Do you have a personal vendetta
against Judge Thomas?
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The chronology of this woman
and her participation...
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Dozens of women in his office
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and only one person
testifies to this 10 years ago.
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I've always had my concerns about Anita.
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And I wonder, really,
if she knows what she did.
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The allegations that are being made
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are just absolutely unfounded
and absolutely not true.
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I am offended that there is a possibility
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that this opportunity
may be snatched from him.
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- Excuse me.
- Give us some room.
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- Okay. You okay?
- "Okay"?
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Have you heard
what people are saying about me?
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Ignore it.
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Is that what you'd do if people were lying
about you on national television?
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Good morning. I'm Dave Swank,
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Dean of the College of Law.
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Professor Hill, a member of our faculty,
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has asked an opportunity to hold
a press conference this morning
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to respond to some of the information
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which has been on the television
and in the newspapers.
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So without any more, Professor Hill.
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So that's her, huh?
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This is good. These girls always think
it'll help to talk to the press,
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and every time they come off looking cheap.
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Good morning.
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I... I have three points
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that I really want
to make clear here with you today,
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and afterward,
I will attempt to answer any question
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as fully and forthrightly as I can.
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The first point that I want to address today
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is the idea that this is somehow
part of a political ploy.
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Nothing could be further from the truth.
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This has taken a great toll on me
personally and professionally,
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and there is no way that I would do
something like that for political purposes.
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It's helpful perhaps for you to understand
how I came to make this statement.
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I was approached by the Senate
Judiciary Committee in early September.
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They approached me...
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...as someone who had worked
with Clarence Thomas.
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They asked me questions
about work that I had done there,
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and they asked specifically
about sexual harassment.
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Some people have said that
I have waited until the eleventh hour
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to bring this to the press.
I never came to the press.
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The press came to me.
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Do you think that
the attention that this is getting
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will affect the vote on Tuesday?
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I think you have to ask your senator.
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I don't know what effect it has or will have.
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What does the final resolution mean for you?
What do you want?
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If the senators fully
consider this information
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and come to a conclusion,
I will be satisfied.
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That is what I want.
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For them to fully consider it
and take this seriously.
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She doesn't look cheap to me.
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Based on your experience,
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do you feel he's not qualified
to be on the Supreme Court?
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You're asking me, would I vote for him
to be on the Supreme Court?
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Oh, boy, there's trouble.
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00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,060
In almost every Senate office in Washington,
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the phones have been busy all week.
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All right, thanks a lot for calling.
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00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,220
Callers are angry about Clarence Thomas
and allegations about sexual harassment.
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Senate leaders say the Judiciary Committee
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already has investigated
the allegation against Thomas
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and they do not intend to delay
Tuesday evening's vote on his nomination.
436
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,768
We're here to see Senator Mitchell.
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00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,260
Pat, this is a private Senate lunch.
Members of the House are...
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You're a public servant, George.
439
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,060
You don't have a right to privacy right now.
440
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,620
You need to delay the Senate vote on Thomas
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and hold a full hearing on these charges.
442
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,980
Look, I'm just as upset
about this as you are.
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00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,526
- No, I doubt that.
- He's not the emperor.
444
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,620
He can't stop or delay a vote
on the Senate floor just because...
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We know the damn rules, Joe.
446
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,460
Well, Pat, then you know you need
unanimous consent from the entire body.
447
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,660
If, if you want to try to convince
each and every one of these guys...
448
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,171
- Help yourself.
- ...be my guest, yeah.
449
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,367
Fine.
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00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,042
So much power, so little leadership.
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00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,580
You heard those phones ringing.
You know what that sound was?
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It's the sound of 51%
of your constituents...
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...saying if you vote for Thomas
without looking into this...
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...they will not forget it.
455
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,460
We are not postponing this vote.
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Just hypothetically, how long
would the postponement have to be?
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A real investigation of these charges
would take weeks.
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00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,940
You can't hijack the process like that,
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not when this woman had months,
years to speak up.
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00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,900
If you're gonna allow her to have a platform
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for what she's saying,
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00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,890
- you'll be raising rumor to fact.
- Who the hell dug her up anyway?
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00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,420
We've lost too many.
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Take the full Senate vote right now,
we'll come up short.
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00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,020
Somebody leaked it.
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00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,900
Yeah, somebody on your Committee.
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00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,688
Jim, I got your message and I want to say
I think you are making a mistake.
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00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,370
If a cheap move like this
can derail anyone's nomination, then...
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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,251
All right.
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00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,244
I understand, Jim,
and I thank you for calling me.
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We can take the vote today, but you'll lose.
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00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,241
Clarence, it's Jack.
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00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,940
It's not that they
don't want to vote for you.
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They just don't feel they can with all
the heat they're getting on this thing,
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00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,380
so we need to delay the Senate vote
and hold a hearing.
476
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,687
Air all this out. Get these votes back.
477
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,964
The only way the Senate will approve
a delay is if you ask for it yourself.
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00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,444
Clarence, what do you say?
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00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,327
I...
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00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,806
I need an answer here, Clarence.
Tell me what we should do.
481
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,807
For love of Pete! Give me the damn phone.
482
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,220
Alan Simpson here, Judge. How you doing?
483
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,020
I can't take this, Senator.
I don't know why she's doing this to me.
484
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,540
Well, buckle up your guts, pal.
There's no time for self-pity.
485
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,500
Somebody did this to me,
I'll tell you what I'd do,
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and if you can't do that,
I will not vote for you.
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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,860
You are going to get back on with Jack
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00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,646
and tell him you will do whatever it takes
to clear your name.
489
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,040
Clarence? Tell me what you want to do.
490
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,420
The Senate has agreed to hold
hearings on your claims, Professor.
491
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,460
We need to have you testify.
492
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,140
In fact, we're gonna
reconvene here on Friday,
493
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,580
Friday? Senator, that's in three days.
494
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,060
And I'm supposed to prepare and travel and...
495
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,700
Don't worry about any of that.
I got a great young staff,
496
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,247
who are gonna help you out with everything.
Logistics and your witnesses.
497
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,900
How many will be allowed to testify
on my behalf?
498
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,580
Well, Anita, I...
499
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,300
Professor, I think Judge Thomas has got
two colleagues that he'll be calling on.
500
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,530
He's already chosen his witnesses.
When did he hear about this?
501
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,040
Oh, kiddo, I feel for you. I do.
You're about to head into...
502
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,180
Pardon my French. A real shit show here.
503
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,523
I'll tell you, if I wasn't chairing
this thing, I'd be your lawyer myself.
504
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,401
You...
505
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,449
You have secured legal counsel, right?
506
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,086
When would I have done that?
I had no idea I needed it.
507
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,620
Good evening, we begin tonight
with a tidal wave of doubt
508
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,820
that swept through the Senate today.
509
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,060
There's been no official announcement
yet of a vote delay,
510
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,620
but that's only because
they're still trying to decide
511
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,041
how long it ought to be,
how long it will be.
512
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,300
What do I hear every time
I walk on the floor?
513
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,700
"How's the civil rights bill, Jack?
514
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,500
"What are you doing for us
on your civil rights bill?"
515
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,730
Until this mess is resolved to my satisfaction,
I'm not doing one damn thing.
516
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,767
Delay the vote a week?
Full Senate vote next Tuesday.
517
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,300
- That's not ideal.
- What about this is?
518
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,020
This is only to examine the charges
before the Senate vote.
519
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,420
We do not revisit the Committee vote.
That stands.
520
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,740
Of course! Of course!
Nobody wants to go backwards on this thing.
521
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,491
Joe, I have known Clarence Thomas
for 17 years.
522
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,940
I know him to be a man of integrity.
523
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,460
If he tells me this never happened,
it never happened.
524
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,881
Sounds to me like
you got nothing to worry about then, Jack.
525
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,728
This is Emma Coleman Jordan,
Georgetown Law Center.
526
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,380
She's putting together a legal team.
527
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,340
She's called harassment experts.
528
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,100
- Supreme Court experts, litigators.
- Great.
529
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,220
I also included my old roommate
Sonia Jarvis. Very smart.
530
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,220
What about Charles Ogle tree?
He's an amazing litigator.
531
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,482
Emma tried him. He can't do it.
532
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,100
He's up for tenure at Harvard.
533
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Controversy doesn't go over
too well at Cambridge.
534
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,961
Mmm-hmm.
535
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,486
There's only two possible scenarios here.
536
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,201
One, she's lying,
or two, she's telling the truth,
537
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,060
in which case the President's an idiot,
538
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,128
and he nominated a pervert
to the Supreme Court.
539
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,700
Obviously, the second scenario
is unacceptable.
540
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,060
We lost Judge Bork.
541
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,700
We need to use every resource at our disposal
to prove the first. Now...
542
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,340
Absolutely cannot lose Judge Thomas.
543
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,340
We're not losing anybody, Senator Thurmond.
544
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,500
Polls are coming in 50-50,
people who support him versus her.
545
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,540
Okay, so we have half a nation to convince.
546
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,689
I've been in touch with the networks.
We'll be live as long as we're in session,
547
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,140
and we're bringing in a busload
of supporters from Georgia. Women.
548
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,020
It's a strong visual support.
The TV cameras will eat it up.
549
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,326
We support Thomas!
550
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:04,642
You put me down and the White House down
and our administration down as 100%
551
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,820
for Clarence Thomas
without wavering in any way.
552
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,540
They say you should make a TV address.
553
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,820
What are these things?
554
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Come on, Rita.
555
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,460
Tim, Senator Jack Danforth here.
556
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,940
I hear you run the student Republican
Party there at University of Oklahoma.
557
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,940
Listen, I think the senators on Judiciary
here in Washington
558
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,300
need to hear from you
and other young Republicans
559
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,811
about this Anita Hill.
560
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,380
Well, call us or fax us
561
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,380
because here in DC,
we have no idea who this woman is.
562
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,845
None whatsoever.
563
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,520
I think it's a cruel thing we're witnessing,
a very sad and harsh thing.
564
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,140
Anita Hill will be sucked
565
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,686
right into the very thing
she wanted to avoid most.
566
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,460
She will be injured and destroyed
and belittled and hounded and harassed.
567
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,086
Real harassment.
Different from the sexual kind.
568
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,211
Plain old Washington variety harassment.
569
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,500
Is it the truth, Ms. Hill?
570
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,820
How long did the relationship last?
571
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,140
Is it true? Is the story true?
572
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,242
Are you gonna get a job
on the Hill after this?
573
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,300
Sonia. What are you doing here?
574
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,740
I thought someone other than a bodyguard
should help you through this.
575
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,580
- Can I take that?
- I got a car for you.
576
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,681
Thank you.
577
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,924
Step off, ma'am. Step off.
578
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,121
Get closer.
579
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,965
A little more. A little more.
580
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,860
- Come on!
- I don't know.
581
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,564
- Lady, really?
- Sorry. I don't know.
582
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,220
They earned law degrees at Yale
583
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,140
and went to Washington
to begin their careers.
584
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,300
Now, in the nation's capital
and before the world,
585
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,900
they are at opposite ends
of a personal, legal,
586
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,800
political, and emotional dispute
of historic proportions.
587
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,300
- Ma'am.
- Thank you.
588
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,481
You're welcome.
589
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,140
Here she is. You found us. Good.
590
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,500
Great to see you.
Wish it was under different circumstances.
591
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,045
Hi, Anita. Janet Napolitano.
592
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,460
Ms. Hill, I'm Warner Gardner.
593
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,380
Anita, hi. Judith Resnik.
594
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,580
- Hi, Anita. I'm Michele Roberts.
- Pleasure.
595
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,100
- Sue Ross.
- Hi.
596
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,380
Anita, I'm John Frank.
597
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,460
- Thank you.
- It's my pleasure.
598
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,660
Professor Hill, Charles Ogle tree.
599
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,740
- I'd heard you were unavailable.
- I worked it out.
600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,260
Well, we have a lot to do
and little time in which to do it.
601
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,521
Let's get started.
602
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,488
You worked for him all of what, two years?
603
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,166
Two and a half.
604
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,961
Hmm.
605
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,002
And you were both single all that time?
606
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,409
Yes. Well, I had a dating life, as did he.
607
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,921
Hmm.
608
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,140
Excuse me. You never dated each other?
609
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,401
No.
610
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,580
I mean, not even two colleagues
at the end of the day,
611
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,780
"Hey, let's go catch a movie"?
612
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,420
Why would I do that?
I couldn't stand to be around him.
613
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,740
- Is that right?
- Yes.
614
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,411
Hmm? Starting when?
At Education or the EEOC?
615
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,460
I suppose you're trying to find out
why I followed him.
616
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,100
Anita, you did stay in touch with him.
617
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,860
By that, if you mean
that there was occasionally a reason
618
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,566
for me to call him on professional
matters, then yes, I...
619
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,100
What about the office Christmas party?
620
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,740
What party?
621
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,820
Nat King Cole roasting chestnuts,
too much eggnog.
622
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,140
You get a little sloppy.
623
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,620
- You wind up knocking boots with the boss.
- No. No.
624
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,380
- Happens all the time.
- Absolutely not. Not to me.
625
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,660
- No?
- No.
626
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,940
Charles, I don't know
627
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,340
- what the hell goes on at Cambridge.
- No judgment.
628
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,500
But I do not get sloppy.
That is not who I am.
629
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,300
And for you to imply that it might be means
630
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,660
that you are grossly mistaken
about me personally,
631
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,780
and more importantly tells me
632
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,963
that you need to learn
the damn truth about sexual harassment.
633
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,287
Hmm.
634
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,287
Okay?
635
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,967
Okay.
636
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,883
And tomorrow will be much worse.
637
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,206
Yeah.
638
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,860
There is in Washington almost
a giddy sense of anticipation
639
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,540
about the impending drama.
640
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,220
It's like the flash of lightning
in the summer sky just before a big storm,
641
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,420
and all around town
it's all anyone's talking about.
642
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,366
Oh, yes, it's much more fun
than talking about national health insurance.
643
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,460
Joe. Joe, you are not seriously
having Anita Hill testify first, are you?
644
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,780
She's the one who made the claim.
She's asked to go first, so yes.
645
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,180
She's already gone first.
She's told her story to the media.
646
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,180
Her claims are out there,
and they are hanging over Clarence's head.
647
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,340
That is exactly why in these proceedings,
648
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,364
Clarence deserves the right
to speak first and clear his name.
649
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,620
- So you're asking me to change the order?
- Yes, I am.
650
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,660
The hearing is less than 12 hours away.
651
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,843
You're the chairman, Joe.
You know what's right here.
652
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,580
So, listen, you go on and get some sleep.
653
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,100
- I'll meet you at the hotel in the morning.
- Hang on.
654
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,680
- We'll ride over together.
- Hang on, guys. Change of plans.
655
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,380
They switched the order.
They're gonna let Thomas testify first.
656
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,660
Danforth convinced Biden
the order wasn't fair to Thomas.
657
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,780
But that doesn't make any sense.
The hearings are about my charges.
658
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,900
What is there to talk about
until I introduce them?
659
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,020
It's strategic.
You get out in front first, you set the tone.
660
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,580
But he can't just make a big change
like this hours before we start.
661
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,729
He's the chairman.
He can do whatever he wants.
662
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,740
Judge Clarence Thomas is,
as surely the whole country knows now,
663
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,460
accused by Professor Anita Hill
of sexually harassing her
664
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,660
when he was the head
665
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,020
of the Equal Employment
Opportunity Commission,
666
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,300
the government agency
where one would file a complaint
667
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,404
of sexual harassment if one felt
they had been victimized by it.
668
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,300
The country has not heard
from Judge Thomas in person all week,
669
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,260
though he did issue a statement
denying all the charges against him.
670
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,860
Sometime after Judge Thomas testifies,
Professor Hill will be called.
671
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,860
The Judiciary Committee stands accused
672
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,980
of not taking these charges seriously
when they were made.
673
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,500
And this week at least,
virtually the entire Senate
674
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,286
stands accused of being indifferent
to women's rights.
675
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,728
The number six Oklahoma Sooner
drive for perfection is over.
676
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,540
Their dream for an undefeated season
saw its biggest test and challenge last week
677
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,620
during the Red River shootout
at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas...
678
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,006
Football?
679
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,020
It relaxes me.
680
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,780
...swarming throughout the game.
681
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,380
Oklahoma could not
get anything done offensively
682
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,580
while being held to under 100 yards passing.
683
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,220
Anti-Thomas protesters rallied this morning
684
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,846
before what is expected to be
a dramatic Senate hearing.
685
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,540
Supporters of Judge Thomas gathered
to show solidarity for the nominee, and...
686
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,780
...despite this outstanding
24-yard touchdown catch
687
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,740
by running back Ted Long.
688
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,605
Quarterback Cale Gundy
was under constant pressure...
689
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,380
That was a hell of a throw.
690
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,006
...late fumble recovery for
the winning touchdown late in the game.
691
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,420
We're wasting time.
692
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,131
I'm sorry for this setting.
It's the only quiet spot around here.
693
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,649
In Acts, how do Paul and Silas
prepare for trial?
694
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,960
They sing.
695
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,128
Where's Clarence? They're ready for him.
696
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,780
Judge, do you swear to tell the truth,
697
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,460
the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?
698
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,925
I do.
699
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,081
Mr. Chairman, Senator Thurmond,
700
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,451
members of the Committee.
701
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:54,007
As excruciatingly difficult
as the last two weeks have been,
702
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,008
I welcome the opportunity
to clear my name today.
703
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,647
The first I learned of the allegations
by Professor Anita Hill
704
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,401
was on September 25th, 1991,
705
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,931
when the FBI came to my home
706
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,246
to investigate her allegations.
707
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,283
When informed by the FBI agent
of the nature of the allegations
708
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,845
and the person making them,
709
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,965
I was shocked, surprised,
710
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,531
hurt, and enormously saddened.
711
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,085
I cannot imagine anything
that I said or did to Anita Hill
712
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,971
that could have been mistaken
for sexual harassment.
713
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,700
If there is anything
that has been misconstrued
714
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,325
by Anita Hill or anyone else,
715
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,164
then I can say that I am so very sorry
and wish I had known.
716
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,740
Thank you so much for calling.
717
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,922
That's great. Thank you. It's very helpful.
718
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,647
Okay, thanks.
719
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,260
That's three more friends of Anita's
in addition to the one we already knew about
720
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,648
who remember her telling them at the time
that Thomas was harassing her.
721
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,220
Go to the chairman's office.
Tell them we need to fly these people in.
722
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,402
- They can all testify together.
- Got it.
723
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,322
...or this country can do
to give me my good name back.
724
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,860
I am not going to engage in discussions,
725
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,282
nor will I submit to roving questions
of what goes on
726
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,726
in the most intimate parts of my private life
727
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,841
or the sanctity of my bedroom.
728
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,050
These are the most intimate parts
of my privacy.
729
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,644
And they will remain just that.
730
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,921
Private.
731
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,485
Thank you, Judge.
You will not be asked to.
732
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,881
Um...
733
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,526
What's he doing?
734
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,100
Realizing unless we can
introduce Hill's affidavit,
735
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,851
he's got nothing to ask Thomas about.
736
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,410
Before I begin my questioning,
737
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,380
um, Judge, I just want to point out
to the Committee
738
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,380
that we are somewhat limited
to permissible questions at this stage.
739
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,324
- Limited why?
- I understand, as recently as late last night,
740
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,660
Professor Hill has asked us to maintain
the confidentiality of her statement.
741
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,728
- I said no such thing.
- I know.
742
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,841
Hmm.
743
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,540
This is an open forum
in the nomination process
744
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,100
to allow her attorneys or her...
745
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,740
I said I'd present my statement myself
when I testified.
746
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,660
Biden changed the rules.
He can't blame this on me.
747
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,940
I'm calling him.
748
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,660
Now that this man's reputation
has been very badly hurt...
749
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,001
- Senator, would you please yield?
- I'm not finished yet.
750
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,500
She wants to tell her own tale
and maintain the confidentiality,
751
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,020
I gather from
Chairman Biden's description of this.
752
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,220
Biden just misrepresented
my client as not being forthcoming.
753
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,260
If he had stuck with the plan
for her to go first,
754
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,660
we would not be having this problem.
This is not her doing.
755
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,020
Well, if Professor Hill would just allow
for her affidavit to be released,
756
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,540
then they'd be able to
question Judge Thomas.
757
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,700
No. No. That was never the plan.
758
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,647
The plan was for her to present her charges
in person, which she is fully prepared to do.
759
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,700
Okay, well, then I guess we need her here
at the Senate building now.
760
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,700
And you need to have Biden clarify this now.
761
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,007
Fine, yes, just get her over here.
762
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,060
Orrin Hatch of the Republican minority side
of the Committee is, for the moment,
763
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,220
taking charge of the Committee.
764
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,060
This is just an extraordinary development.
765
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,420
When you have a member
of a Senate Committee saying
766
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,980
"If you don't allow
a certain procedure to take place,
767
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,220
"I'm gonna resign from the Committee
and quit," as Senator Hatch just did,
768
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,980
now, that doesn't happen up here every day.
769
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Hearing will come to order.
770
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,364
Committee has resolved the impasse
the following way.
771
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:18,420
Professor Hill has indicated on the telephone
that she is prepared to release her statement.
772
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,380
We will excuse temporarily Judge Thomas,
773
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,060
and we will call momentarily,
as a witness, Anita Hill.
774
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,940
Professor Hill will be sworn
775
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,420
and will make her own statement
in her own words.
776
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,681
You did good.
777
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,780
- Is there a room set aside for Professor Hill?
- Not that I know of, sir.
778
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,405
- Then find us one, damn it.
- Yes, sir.
779
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:56,801
Thanks.
780
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,660
Not exactly concerned about
my comfort, are they?
781
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,967
Don't worry about that. You'll be fine.
782
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,210
Why are you doing this?
783
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,366
I've got students more qualified than Thomas.
784
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,565
Plus, I believe you.
785
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,290
What about tenure?
786
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,964
Hell, in 24 hours,
I'll be able to get any job I want.
787
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,487
Fuck tenure.
788
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,940
Come in.
789
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,900
Professor, they're ready for you now.
790
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,411
Thank you.
791
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,286
Hearing will come to order.
792
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,940
Welcome, Professor.
793
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,780
We thank you on behalf of the Committee for
making time for this. I know it wasn't easy,
794
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,202
and we appreciate that.
Uh, please stand to be sworn in.
795
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,700
Do you swear to tell the truth,
796
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,406
the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?
797
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,602
- I do.
- Okay.
798
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,210
Go ahead, then,
with your opening statement, please.
799
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,460
- Mr. Chairman...
- Excuse me. Excuse me.
800
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,980
I'm going to instruct the officers to not
let anybody in or out of those doors
801
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,402
while Professor Hill is making
this opening statement, please.
802
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,700
Can we do that?
803
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,250
Mr. Chairman,
804
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,084
Senator Thurmond,
805
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,167
members of the Committee.
806
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,220
My name is Anita F. Hill,
807
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,166
and I am a professor of law
at the University of Oklahoma.
808
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,766
I was born on a farm
in Okmulgee County, Oklahoma, in 1956.
809
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,603
I'm the youngest of 13 children.
810
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,740
During this period
at the Department of Education...
811
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,287
- Are you watching in there?
- I'm not gonna watch at all.
812
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,683
But when they bring you back,
they'll assume that you saw it.
813
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,730
They can assume whatever they like.
814
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,963
I've heard enough of these lies.
815
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,060
After approximately three months
of working there,
816
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,721
he asked me to go out socially with him.
817
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,121
What happened next
and telling the world about it
818
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,529
are two of the most difficult things...
Experiences of my life.
819
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,220
My working relationship
became even more strained
820
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,690
when Judge Thomas began to use
work situations to discuss sex.
821
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,900
He spoke about acts that he had seen
in pornographic films
822
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,700
involving such matters
as women having sex with animals
823
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,805
and films showing group sex or rape scenes.
824
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,260
He talked about pornographic materials
825
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,220
depicting individuals with large penises
826
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,450
or large breasts involved
in various sex acts.
827
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:55,885
On several occasions, Thomas told me
graphically of his own sexual prowess.
828
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,450
Because I was extremely uncomfortable
talking about sex with him at all
829
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,361
and particularly in such a graphic way,
830
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,100
I told him that I did not want
831
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,060
to talk about these subjects.
832
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,083
Somebody answer those.
833
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,340
I would also try to change the subject
to education matters
834
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,540
or to nonsexual personal matters,
835
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,247
such as his background or his beliefs.
836
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,841
My efforts to change the subject
were rarely successful.
837
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,247
During the latter part of my time
at the Department of Education,
838
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,644
the social pressures
and his offensive behavior ended.
839
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,204
I began both to believe and hope
840
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:58,125
that our working relationship could be
a proper, cordial, and professional one.
841
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,726
When Judge Thomas was made
chair of the EEOC,
842
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,801
I needed to face the question
of whether to go with him.
843
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,887
I was asked to do so, and I did.
844
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,047
The work itself was interesting
845
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,340
and at that time it appeared
846
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,162
that the sexual overtures
which had so troubled me had ended.
847
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,727
However, during the fall and winter of 1982,
848
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,646
these began again.
849
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,326
One of the oddest episodes I remember
was an occasion
850
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,047
in which Thomas was drinking a Coke
in his office.
851
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,126
He got up from the table
at which we were working,
852
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,321
went over to his desk to get a Coke,
853
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,480
looked at the can, and asked,
"Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?"
854
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,004
On other occasions,
he referred to the size of his own penis
855
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,562
as being larger than normal,
856
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:12,323
and he also spoke of the pleasures
he had given to women
857
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,361
with oral sex.
858
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,927
Finally, he made a comment
that I will vividly remember.
859
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,047
He said that if I ever told anyone
of his behavior,
860
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,640
that it would ruin his career.
861
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,260
I have no personal vendetta
against Clarence Thomas.
862
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,700
I seek only to provide the Committee
863
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,885
with information
which it may regard as relevant.
864
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,886
It would have been more comfortable
to remain silent.
865
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,489
I took no initiative to inform anyone,
866
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,206
but when I was asked
by a representative of this Committee
867
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,407
to report my experience,
868
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,807
I felt that I had to tell the truth.
869
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,449
I could not keep silent.
870
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,049
There's no way he survives this day.
871
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,780
Professor, before I begin my questioning,
872
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,451
I notice that you have
a number of people here.
873
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,460
You've got friends or family
joining you here today?
874
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,767
My family hasn't arrived.
875
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,940
They... I'm sorry.
They are here, but they're in the hall.
876
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,300
We will make room for your family.
877
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,846
It's a very large family, Senator.
878
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,580
Well, let's...
Can we open those doors, please,
879
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,660
get Professor Hill's family in here?
880
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,780
If we can clear some of these chairs here.
881
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,540
If you're not essential,
maybe you can clear over here.
882
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,687
Love you, baby.
883
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:05,881
Here you go.
884
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,900
What's the backroom conversation
at the White House?
885
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,940
I'm just speculating here, Peter.
It isn't over, and I don't know,
886
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,500
but the sense that you get here,
although they won't say it publicly,
887
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,931
is that they're pretty gloomy.
888
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,540
By all means, let's get loving close-ups
of the salt-of-the-earth parents.
889
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,620
That's not prejudicial.
890
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,051
Is the President watching?
891
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,328
He's still behind the guy? Okay, yeah.
Just making sure. All right.
892
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,641
I had to ask.
893
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,140
I must ask you, Professor,
894
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,700
to explain again
and more fully, if you would,
895
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,740
the behavior that you have alleged,
896
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,686
that you say went beyond, uh, professional,
897
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,489
um, business practices.
898
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,011
Did all that behavior take place at work?
899
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,980
Yes, it did.
900
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,100
And just in your own words, as best you can,
901
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,100
can you tell the Committee
where each of these incidents
902
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,540
that you mentioned in your opening statement
903
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,165
took place specifically?
904
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,300
Well, I recall specifically
905
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,328
that the incident about the Coke can
occurred in his office at the EEOC.
906
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:23,965
What incident was that?
907
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,924
The incident with regard to the Coke can
that's spelled out in my statement.
908
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,362
Okay, one more time again for me, please.
909
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,882
The, , uh, incident involved him
910
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,020
going to his desk...
911
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,329
Getting up from a work table,
going to his desk,
912
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,965
looking at a can, and saying,
"Who put pubic hair on my Coke?"
913
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:08,722
And were there other incidents
that took place at the office?
914
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,644
I recall at least one instance
in his office at the EEOC
915
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,300
where he brought up the substance
916
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,928
or the content of pornographic material.
917
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,921
And again for the record,
what was the content of...
918
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,246
What the hell is he doing?
919
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,660
Does he think
people want to hear this trash again?
920
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,642
...to an individual who had, um,
a very large penis
921
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,609
and used the name that he was referred to
922
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,500
in the pornographic material.
923
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,523
- Um...
- Do you recall what that was?
924
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,686
I do.
925
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,883
The name that was referred to
was Long Dong Silver.
926
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,402
Jesus Christ Almighty.
927
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,660
Can you tell the Committee here
what was the most embarrassing
928
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,444
of all these alleged incidents?
929
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,206
I think the one that was
the most embarrassing
930
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,820
was his descriptions of pornography
931
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,860
involving women with large breasts
932
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:30,620
engaged in a variety of sex
with different people or animals.
933
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,900
That was the thing
that embarrassed me the most
934
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,571
and made me feel the most humiliated.
935
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,660
Professor, I'm going to yield the floor now
936
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,660
to my good friend from Pennsylvania,
Senator Specter.
937
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,369
Professor Hill, you testified
that you drew an inference
938
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,246
that Judge Thomas might want you
to look at pornographic films,
939
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,402
but you told the FBI specifically that
he never asked you to watch the films.
940
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,820
Is that correct?
941
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,740
He never said,
"Let's go to my apartment and watch films."
942
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,580
He did say,
"You ought to see this material."
943
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,287
But when you testified, as I wrote it down,
944
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,780
"We ought to look at
pornographic movies together,"
945
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,100
that was an expression
of what was in your mind.
946
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,140
That was the inference that I drew, yes.
947
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,060
What with his pressing me
for social engagements, yes.
948
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,448
But the fact is flatly he never asked you
to look at pornographic movies with him?
949
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,880
With him?
950
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,408
- No, he did not.
- No, he did not.
951
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,131
Professor Hill, you said you took it to mean
952
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,180
that Judge Thomas
wanted to have sex with you,
953
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,171
but, in fact, he never did ask you
to have sex, correct?
954
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,249
No, he never asked me to have sex.
955
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,300
He did continually pressure me
to go out with him.
956
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,007
He would not accept my explanation
as being valid.
957
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,243
You think she should be more emotional?
958
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,660
If she were, we'd be saying
she should be less emotional.
959
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,740
All right, all three networks
are going to stay live
960
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:11,980
as long as we're in session,
961
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,620
so if we can keep her talking
for a few more hours,
962
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,380
Clarence will have prime time all to himself.
963
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,925
Call the Committee. Let them know.
964
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:27,525
Professor Hill, what went
through your mind, if anything,
965
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,180
on whether you ought
to come forward at that stage?
966
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,420
If you had, you would have stopped this man
from being head of the EEOC.
967
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,126
What went through your mind?
968
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,940
How could you allow
this sort of reprehensible conduct
969
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,203
to go on right in the headquarters
without doing something about it?
970
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:52,340
I can only say that when I made the decision
to just withdraw from the situation
971
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,260
and not press a claim against him,
972
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,180
I may have shirked a duty,
a responsibility that I had.
973
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,330
And to that extent,
I confess that I am very sorry
974
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,488
that I didn't do something or say something.
975
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,380
But at the time, that was my best judgment.
976
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,566
It may have been a poor judgment,
but it was not dishonest.
977
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,530
It was not a completely unreasonable
choice given the circumstances.
978
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,900
I think it really does underscore
979
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,740
the basic difference how men and women
look at this issue.
980
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,340
I've had a number of occasions.
Did I report them? No.
981
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,489
And for the same reasons you've heard
every other woman in this country state.
982
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,568
There has been disclosed in the public
the records of certain telephone logs.
983
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,580
You've been quoted
in The Washington Post as saying,
984
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,321
"Ms. Hill called the telephone logs garbage."
985
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,300
Have you seen the records
of the telephone logs, Professor Hill?
986
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,420
Yes, I have.
987
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,220
Do you deny the accuracy of
these telephone logs?
988
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,300
No, I do not.
989
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,940
Then you now concede that
you had called Judge Thomas 11 times?
990
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,044
I do not deny the accuracy of these logs.
991
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,851
So they're not garbage.
992
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,529
Senator, what I said was,
the issue is garbage.
993
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,460
Those telephone messages do not indicate
994
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:21,329
that somehow I was pursuing something more
than a cordial relationship.
995
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,087
A professional relationship.
996
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,460
Each one of those calls was made
in a professional context.
997
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,245
Several of those calls involved one incident
998
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,569
where I was trying to act
on behalf of another group.
999
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,762
So the issue that is being created with
the telephone calls, yes, indeed is garbage.
1000
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,300
If what you say this man
said to you occurred,
1001
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,340
why in God's name
when he left his position of power
1002
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,180
or status or authority over you...
1003
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:01,322
Why in God's name would you ever speak
to a man like that the rest of your life?
1004
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,648
That's a very good question.
1005
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,211
And I am sure that I cannot answer it
to your satisfaction.
1006
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,771
That is one of the things
that I have tried to do here today,
1007
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,162
I have suggested
that I was afraid of retaliation.
1008
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,485
I was afraid of damage
to my professional life.
1009
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:35,860
I believed that... You have to understand
that this kind of response is not atypical,
1010
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,780
and I can't explain it.
1011
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,966
It takes an expert in psychology
to explain how that can happen.
1012
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,168
But it can happen.
1013
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,483
'Cause it happened to me.
1014
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,321
Well done.
1015
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,660
But the fact of the matter is that
1016
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,300
Anita Hill was a very compelling witness
1017
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,482
who told in graphic detail
1018
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,300
how she was sexually harassed
by Judge Thomas.
1019
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,820
There's a feeling here that, that this witness
has held up pretty well this afternoon,
1020
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,460
and there has been
a sense of apprehension about it.
1021
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,846
Here she is.
1022
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,220
Let's face it, Clarence has
his work cut out for him tonight.
1023
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,483
No shit. We got to do
everything we can to back him up.
1024
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,500
- Everything.
- Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Duberstein.
1025
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,260
I was asked to tell you that Senator Biden
decided to adjourn till tomorrow,
1026
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,540
so they're not gonna need
Judge Thomas tonight.
1027
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,290
What? No fucking way. Move.
1028
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,220
- You are not adjourning.
- Ken, everybody is completely exhausted.
1029
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,620
- We had an agreement. Same news cycle, Joe.
- I already got a tooth that's killing me.
1030
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,529
This country's gonna hear
Clarence Thomas tonight.
1031
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,620
It's either gonna be in there
at the witness table
1032
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,300
or parked right outside this door
explaining to a bank of television cameras
1033
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,529
why Joe Biden is denying him
the right to defend himself.
1034
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,644
Clarence. The car's here.
1035
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,851
We're going to be late.
1036
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,206
Did you talk to Jamal?
1037
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,761
Yes.
1038
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,128
- How is he?
- Angry.
1039
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,326
He's confused.
1040
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,925
What do I say to him?
1041
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,561
How can I explain all of this stuff
that they say about me?
1042
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,441
Hmm?
1043
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,762
Vile things no child should ever have
to hear about their father.
1044
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,860
And these men judging me,
1045
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,060
half of them are under an ethics cloud
at this very minute.
1046
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,460
Money charges, sex charges.
1047
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,380
You don't see their lives
going up in flames around them, do you?
1048
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,606
Do you?
1049
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,361
No.
1050
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,889
They're gonna be just fine.
1051
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,849
- Judge, you may want...
- Senator, I would like to start by saying
1052
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,930
unequivocally,
1053
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,804
uncategorically...
1054
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:37,580
That I deny each and every single allegation
against me today
1055
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,083
that suggested that I, in any way,
had conversations
1056
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,884
of a sexual nature
1057
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,487
or about pornographic material
with Anita Hill,
1058
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,843
that I ever attempted to date her,
1059
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:05,405
that I ever had any personal
sexual interest in her,
1060
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,886
or that I, in any way, ever harassed her.
1061
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,642
Second...
And I think it's the more important point.
1062
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,050
I think that this today is a travesty.
1063
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,688
I think it is disgusting.
1064
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,809
I think this hearing
1065
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,371
should never occur in America.
1066
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,660
How would any member on this Committee,
1067
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,524
any person in this room,
1068
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,460
any person in this country
1069
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,962
like sleaze said about
him or her in this fashion,
1070
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,811
or this dirt dredged up
and these lies displayed in this manner?
1071
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,889
This is a circus. It's a national disgrace.
1072
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,884
And from my standpoint,
1073
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,890
as a black American,
1074
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,243
as far as I'm concerned,
it's a hi-tech lynching
1075
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:27,410
for uppity blacks who in any way
deign to think for themselves,
1076
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,085
do for themselves,
1077
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,766
to have different ideas.
1078
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,242
And it is a message that,
unless you kowtow to the old order...
1079
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,768
This is what will happen to you.
1080
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,645
You will be lynched,
1081
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:57,891
destroyed,
1082
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,846
caricatured...
1083
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,449
By a Committee of the US Senate
rather than hung from a tree.
1084
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:48,327
Judge, tomorrow we will reconvene.
1085
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,888
I assume, Judge... It's your choice.
1086
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,220
I assume you wish to come back tomorrow.
1087
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,940
The Committee is not demanding
that you come back.
1088
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,530
Would you like to come back tomorrow?
1089
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,089
I think so, Senator. I'd like to finish this.
1090
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,841
Most, most of the senators
who were, uh, on the Committee tonight.
1091
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,540
Uh, I think, were stunned at the anger...
1092
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,740
It is impossible to absolutely
resolve these two stories.
1093
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,100
Does he not have a point
when he says the leakage of this stuff,
1094
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,420
the dirty character of it
amounts, in part at least,
1095
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,980
to an attempting
lynching of Clarence Thomas?
1096
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,566
- This is about sexual harassment.
- Agreed.
1097
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,500
And about his fitness to be
an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court.
1098
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,220
None of what he said has any relevance.
1099
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,020
But this is not a judicial proceeding.
1100
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,620
This is political theater,
and Thomas just performed.
1101
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,060
- So he got you?
- No.
1102
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,300
- I'm not saying anything he said was relevant.
- Mmm-hmm.
1103
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,580
And I hate that it was him of all people,
but he did tell a truth.
1104
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,924
"A truth"? By saying that supporting me
is synonymous with supporting lynching?
1105
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,220
- No, no, no. I'm not trying to say that.
- He is not the victim here.
1106
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,620
I'm not trying to say that, either.
1107
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,580
- Then what are you trying to say, Charles?
- Listen.
1108
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,808
White folks are already talking this bullshit
1109
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,020
that this can't be about race
'cause you're both black, right?
1110
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,700
- So what Thomas just did...
- No, listen to me. Listen to me!
1111
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:14,420
My grandfather fled Arkansas
because he was threatened with lynching.
1112
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,980
- I appreciate that.
- A real lynching.
1113
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,300
Not this metaphoric kind
that Thomas is talking about.
1114
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,084
But he doesn't care about that.
1115
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,651
He only acknowledged race
because it was about him.
1116
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,820
But that's not right.
1117
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,460
- I'm not saying it is right.
- It's not the issue.
1118
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,820
- The issue is sexual harassment.
- But it was effective. Now, you think
1119
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,288
any of those white boys on that Committee
are prepared to challenge him now?
1120
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,761
You know what really pisses me off?
1121
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,287
He's trying to dismiss you
precisely because you're a black woman.
1122
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,780
- Hmm.
- You and I both know
1123
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,487
that this hearing and his nomination
would be in a very different place
1124
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:57,740
if you looked like his wife.
1125
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,841
Hmm.
1126
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,008
Good, you're still here.
1127
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,690
You're not gonna believe this.
1128
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,100
There's another woman.
1129
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,060
Her name is Angela Wright.
She worked for Thomas after Anita Hill.
1130
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,380
They never met,
never even heard of each other.
1131
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,540
She's a newspaper editor now, but what
she really wants to be is a columnist,
1132
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,325
so to prove herself to her bosses,
she wrote a sample column.
1133
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,606
"I know Thomas is capable of doing
these things because he did them to me."
1134
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,331
We need to depose her.
1135
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,300
I can tell you that during the course of
the year that I worked for Clarence Thomas,
1136
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,540
there were several comments that he made.
1137
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,660
And Clarence Thomas
did consistently pressure me to date him.
1138
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,180
- Right, and was there...
- At one point,
1139
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,250
Clarence Thomas made comments
about my anatomy.
1140
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,500
- Can you...
- He often said,
1141
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,420
"I've got some fine women on my staff."
1142
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,683
I remember him saying
that one woman had a big ass.
1143
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,646
Clarence Thomas commented
on a dress that I was wearing
1144
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,900
and asked what size my boobs were.
1145
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,460
Clarence Thomas came
by my house at night...
1146
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,180
- Miss Wright...
- ...uninvited, spoke in general terms,
1147
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:08,300
but then tried to move the conversation
over to the prospect of me dating him.
1148
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,140
- Is this on?
- We're talking about a thing that, you know..
1149
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,220
She can hear?
1150
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,580
...pretty much pops out of
Clarence Thomas's mouth
1151
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,921
whenever the hell he feels like saying it.
1152
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,820
Does the White House know about her?
1153
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,251
We sent over a copy of her deposition.
1154
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,820
Oh.
1155
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,763
- They're gonna love that, aren't they?
- Yeah.
1156
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,620
Okay, triple-check her credibility.
1157
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,660
I mean, these situations
pull all sorts of people out of the woodwork.
1158
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,420
- Attention seekers.
- Yeah, I don't think that's the case here.
1159
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,660
She didn't call us.
Someone else sent her column in.
1160
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,820
And she has a corroborating witness.
1161
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,540
It took some convincing to get her to talk,
but, boy, once she started...
1162
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,060
- A loose cannon?
- Possibly. Plus, he fired her.
1163
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,100
Oh.
1164
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,460
Ex-employee disgruntled loose cannon.
1165
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,561
- Yeah.
- Better yet.
1166
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,602
- All right, bring her in.
- She won't come.
1167
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,060
"Even though I have got the guts of a bull,
1168
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,740
"I don't necessarily relish the fallout
from speaking up in this kind of situation."
1169
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,420
Well, I'm not gonna be the chairman
1170
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,780
who knew about a second accuser
and didn't call her in.
1171
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,660
Subpoena her if that's what it takes,
1172
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,127
- but get her down here however you have to.
- Okay.
1173
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,561
And somebody find me a goddamn dentist!
1174
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,923
An eleventh hour surprise
in the Clarence Thomas case.
1175
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,540
According to the North Carolina newspaper
The Charlotte Observer,
1176
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,940
one of its own employees, Angela Wright,
has some charges of her own to level.
1177
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,820
New accusations are being leveled
against the Supreme Court nominee.
1178
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,020
This in addition to
the allegation of sexual harassment
1179
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,140
made by law professor Anita Hill.
1180
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,620
If that's the best witness they can dig up,
we bring her in. Arlen has a field day.
1181
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:35,700
I disagree completely.
1182
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,940
Any woman telling the same story,
whoever she is, is bad for Clarence.
1183
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,100
- Sir.
- Yes?
1184
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,850
Jamie Bush, the President's nephew, called.
1185
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,020
- About what?
- A Dr. Satinover.
1186
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,540
Another psychiatrist in addition to
the one we're bringing in tomorrow.
1187
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:48,641
Thank you.
1188
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,420
Who told the lies?
1189
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,260
Well, two witnesses,
Judge Thomas and Anita Hill,
1190
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,443
told precisely opposite stories under oath.
1191
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:57,966
Which one lied?
1192
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,881
A word to boys and girls who may be
in front of the television set at the moment.
1193
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,420
We parents know
this is usually your time of day.
1194
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,420
If today's testimony
is anything like yesterday's,
1195
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,540
there may once again be
extremely graphic testimony
1196
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,041
that you may not want your children to watch.
1197
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,686
It was hot off the presses
in San Francisco this morning.
1198
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,860
The controversy with more questions
than answers.
1199
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,460
The wind-burned fisherman
who believes the professor.
1200
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,900
When a woman at her age
gets down in front of the public
1201
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,210
and gives herself up like that,
that man is guilty as far as I'm concerned.
1202
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:40,420
The sex harassment victim
who trusts the judge.
1203
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,809
Just didn't seem to me
like she was telling the truth.
1204
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:46,700
In Compton, California,
1205
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,700
at the nation's only NAACP chapter
to support Clarence Thomas,
1206
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,849
people still can't believe
a black woman is his accuser.
1207
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,380
The ordeal continues
on this Saturday morning
1208
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:00,940
and it can only be called that, an ordeal,
for Clarence Thomas, for Anita Hill,
1209
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,020
for the Senate Judiciary Committee,
1210
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,980
and for the nation as well.
1211
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,900
This is round two of these
renewed hearings, of course,
1212
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,500
on Anita Hill's accusations of
sexual harassment against Clarence Thomas.
1213
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,100
They'll be finished with Thomas
by end of day,
1214
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,540
Do we have all our folks
lined up for tomorrow?
1215
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,100
The four friends of Anita who remember her
1216
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,100
telling them about
the harassment at the time.
1217
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,201
Three lawyers, one judge.
1218
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:20,780
Make sure
the Committee has their credentials.
1219
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,620
We also sent them the names
of the three psychologists who will say
1220
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,700
that Anita's behavior is consistent
with victims of sexual harassment.
1221
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,260
Get them the published research
on that as well.
1222
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,460
- That other woman?
- Angela Wright.
1223
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,820
She's gonna bring this thing home.
1224
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,620
I think the line is the absolute truth.
1225
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,540
They are delighted with
Thomas's performance last night.
1226
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,260
They felt that the whole dynamic
of the hearing changed.
1227
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,780
John, did the White House
have a piece of this strategy?
1228
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,660
Were they in on the idea of invoking race?
1229
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,980
They were in on the idea.
1230
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,367
They knew exactly
what Clarence Thomas was going to say.
1231
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,771
In this country,
when it comes to sexual conduct,
1232
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:59,204
we still have underlying racial attitudes
about black men and their views on sex.
1233
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,740
Once you pin that on me, I can't get it off.
1234
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,926
Anita Hill said he discussed
oral sex between men and women.
1235
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,300
Yes, I'm a client. Can you tell him I'm here?
1236
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,900
But nobody in the Senate bothered telling me
where the hell I'm supposed to go.
1237
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,721
"Thomas liked to discuss specific sex acts
and frequency of sex."
1238
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,780
Now that last... "Frequency."
That could have to do
1239
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,860
with black men supposedly being
very promiscuous or something like that.
1240
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,089
So it could be partially stereotypical?
1241
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,340
Yes.
1242
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:36,602
Well, I'm concerned.
1243
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,088
Well, I was talking about these hearings
with a friend of mine,
1244
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,380
and when I told him what I thought
as a mental health professional,
1245
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:48,086
he said to me, "This is something
the senators need to hear."
1246
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,140
- Doctor...
- And at first I was just flabbergasted,
1247
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,642
but then halfway through her testimony,
it hit me.
1248
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,804
Erotomania.
1249
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,140
- I beg your pardon?
- It's a psychiatric disorder.
1250
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,060
The person suffering has delusions
1251
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,540
that another person,
usually of a higher status,
1252
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,281
has a romantic interest in him or her.
1253
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,002
You're not kidding? Now, this exists?
1254
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,446
Ever read this book?
1255
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:20,881
No.
1256
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,780
The Exorcist.
1257
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,370
- What the hell is he doing?
- No, Senator.
1258
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,562
You said you never did say,
"Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?"
1259
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,362
You never did talk about Long Dong Silver.
1260
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,540
I submit those things were found
1261
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,282
from page 70 of this particular version
of The Exorcist.
1262
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,460
"'Dennings had remarked to him
in passing, ' said Sharon,
1263
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,860
"'that there appeared to be," ' quote,
1264
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,409
"'an alien pubic hair
floating around in my gin,"'
1265
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,260
unquote.
1266
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,380
This is ridiculous.
1267
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:58,643
You think that was spoken by happenstance?
1268
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:06,100
I think it is very well that you were
not here to hear the testimony of Miss Hill.
1269
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,860
I'm Angela Wright.
I'm here to see my lawyer, Gil Middlebrooks.
1270
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,246
Okay.
1271
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,020
Welcome to DC.
They haven't called you in yet.
1272
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,340
You can wait here till they do.
1273
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:18,090
And here we are.
1274
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,728
You've been before us for 105 days.
1275
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,961
I'm waiting for 105 days
of surveillance of Miss Hill.
1276
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,380
Then we'll see, you know,
who ate the cabbage...
1277
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:34,245
- The fuck is he talking about?
- ...as we say out in the Wild West.
1278
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,060
And now...
1279
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,300
- Christ's sake, rein these guys in.
- I can't.
1280
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,609
...I really am getting stuff over
the transom about Professor Hill.
1281
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,242
I have got letters hanging out of my pockets.
1282
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,100
I have got faxes.
1283
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,204
I have got statements
from her former law professors.
1284
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,203
Statements from people that know her.
1285
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,204
Statements from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
saying, watch out for this woman.
1286
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,771
But nobody has the guts to say that
1287
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,128
because it gets all tangled up
in this sexual harassment crap.
1288
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,380
- Have they scheduled Angela Wright?
- Call you back.
1289
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,289
- She's in the mix.
- What does that mean?
1290
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,700
There's a schedule.
1291
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:18,780
She's either on it, or she's not.
1292
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,689
Carolyn, there's a Washington Post reporter.
1293
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,020
He's found a video store owner who claims
that Thomas is a longtime customer of his.
1294
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,281
Rented lots of hardcore porn.
1295
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,540
- What?
- What?
1296
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,380
Should I get his number
so we can talk to him? Or is that...
1297
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:29,940
- No!
- Yes, absolutely!
1298
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,020
- No!
- Yes!
1299
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,940
God, there is a law against that.
1300
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,805
We do not expose
citizens' private viewing records.
1301
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:39,805
Carolyn Hart.
1302
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,161
Wow.
1303
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,220
Angela Wright...
1304
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,300
- That's us, we should go.
- ...will soon be with us.
1305
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,007
We think,
but now we're told that Angela Wright has,
1306
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,620
what we used to call
in the legal trade, cold feet.
1307
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,324
Wait, what?
1308
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,220
Is Angela Wright backing out?
1309
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,180
No, I went over the witness list
with Biden's office. She's still on it.
1310
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,300
- So he's lying.
- He knows she's a threat.
1311
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,686
- He's discrediting her.
- Exactly.
1312
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,321
Did you fire her? And if you did, what for?
1313
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,769
Um, she referred to a male member
of my staff as a faggot.
1314
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,300
That's a lie. I did no such thing.
1315
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,971
- That was enough for you?
- That was more than enough.
1316
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,980
That is kind of the way you are, isn't it?
1317
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,809
That is how I am
1318
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,682
when it comes to that kind of conduct.
1319
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,260
She's a credible witness
that'll testify Thomas harassed her, too,
1320
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,140
and they're smearing her
just like they smeared Anita.
1321
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,481
- This is completely unethical.
- Exactly.
1322
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,048
I won't get into those old saws,
1323
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,883
but I will tell you
that I do love Shakespeare,
1324
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,048
and Shakespeare would love this.
1325
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,648
This is about love and hate,
1326
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,285
and cheating, and disgust, and avarice.
1327
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:03,766
All those things
that make that remarkable bard read today.
1328
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,606
Othello. Read Othello,
1329
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,480
and don't ever forget this line.
1330
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:17,089
"Good name in man and woman,
dear my Lord."
1331
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:18,401
Christ.
1332
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:19,886
You remember this scene?
1333
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,129
"Is the immediate jewel of our souls."
1334
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,380
Good evening. Clarence Thomas
went on the attack today
1335
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,820
- accusing his critics of using blatant racism...
- Thank you.
1336
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,260
...to keep him off the Supreme Court.
1337
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:39,820
But he said he had rather died...
1338
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,300
They said they'll call you tomorrow.
1339
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,380
The dramatic testimony
1340
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:43,820
- came during a grueling...
- Mmm-hmm.
1341
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,660
They apologize for any inconvenience.
1342
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,081
Did they apologize
for trashing my reputation?
1343
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,651
Did they apologize for that?
1344
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:52,766
Have a nice day, sir.
1345
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:58,220
Chief of Staff John Sununu telling CNN
Anita Hill's credibility has been undermined
1346
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,140
and that calls to the White House
are overwhelmingly in Thomas's favor.
1347
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,780
Even the people at the White House
were stunned
1348
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,100
by what they consider the lackluster
performance of the Democrats.
1349
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,500
They couldn't understand
why they were just sitting there
1350
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,020
and not challenging Thomas
and being more assertive.
1351
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,020
We need to be pushing harder to the press.
1352
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,340
- We need to push back.
- Well, they beat us to that.
1353
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,580
Journalists calling to confirm
Anita's lesbianism
1354
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,968
...and to inquire about
an official diagnosis of erotomania.
1355
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,460
- What is that?
- Think it means what it says.
1356
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,700
In a decision that apparently
1357
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,140
was personally approved by the President,
1358
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,420
they decided to go after her
1359
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,980
and to float all sorts of stories
about erotic fantasies
1360
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,367
and that she has psychological problems.
1361
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,380
Today, spectators will watch
corroborating witnesses
1362
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:45,660
attempt to support both
Judge Thomas and Professor Hill
1363
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,220
and continue to struggle
with who is telling the truth.
1364
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,765
Have you seen these?
1365
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,324
Fifty percent of Americans believe him.
Twenty-five percent believe her.
1366
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,780
- Ricki.
- Your boss is fucking this up.
1367
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,284
It is not your place to tell the chairman
of the Judiciary Committee how to do his job.
1368
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,010
Last time I checked,
you worked for a senator, too,
1369
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,362
and maybe you should bring it up with him.
1370
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,603
Are you sure you want to do this?
1371
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,521
Yes.
1372
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,687
Because there'll be no way to keep it quiet.
1373
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,180
Checked on Anita Hill's
former students in Oklahoma.
1374
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,521
- And what'd you find?
- They basically all said the same thing.
1375
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,130
She's tough but fair.
1376
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,940
Senator Brown's office did talk
to some guys from Oral Roberts,
1377
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,260
where she worked before Oklahoma,
1378
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:34,860
and they did have a story,
but it seemed pretty...
1379
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,540
What'd they say?
1380
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,300
Well, they said
1381
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,580
that Anita Hill had put pubic hair
between the pages of their term papers.
1382
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,500
Anita Hill put pubic hairs
in her students' term papers.
1383
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,780
No, I don't think so.
1384
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,420
That is what they said, but it was
after the whole Coke can thing, so...
1385
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,568
We need affidavits from them.
1386
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,460
We do? Okay.
Um, sorry, it just seems so unlikely that...
1387
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,620
Well, we have no idea what's
likely or unlikely from this woman.
1388
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:59,767
Sorry, sir. Yes, sir.
1389
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,380
A CBS news poll conducted just yesterday
1390
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:04,980
shows most Americans believe
1391
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:10,220
that neither Thomas nor his accuser
Anita Hill told the entire truth.
1392
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,100
I was hoping I could
have a quick word with you, if it's okay.
1393
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,362
Sure. Sit.
1394
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,042
Okay, so let me start by saying
1395
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,127
I get why you've been quiet
through all of this.
1396
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,642
I'm sure a lot of people much smarter than me
have told you that's the way to go.
1397
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,369
And who knows? Maybe they're right, but...
1398
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,242
She's all alone out there, sir.
1399
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,725
You ever taken a polygraph before, Miss Hill?
1400
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,209
- No, I have not.
- Okay.
1401
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:07,860
She told me she was being subjected
1402
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,291
to sexual harassment from her boss.
1403
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:11,925
That boss was Clarence Thomas.
1404
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,020
She told me Clarence Thomas
asked her out on dates
1405
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,140
and showed an unwanted
sexual interest in her.
1406
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,651
Is she, in your estimation,
1407
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,500
a woman who suffers
from fantasies in any way
1408
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,126
or is she pretty levelheaded?
1409
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,840
She's one of the most
levelheaded people I know.
1410
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:29,260
Thank you, Judge.
1411
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,806
- Is your name Anita F. Hill?
- Yes.
1412
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:39,529
Various psychiatrists have come forward
to state as a general principle,
1413
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,128
not as a diagnosis of an individual
but as a general principle,
1414
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,927
that there is a specific disorder.
1415
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,610
So here is this foul stack of stench
1416
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,840
justifiably offensive in any category,
1417
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,081
and I ask you why, after she left his power,
1418
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,324
or whatever it was that gave her fear
1419
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,604
or revulsion or repulsion...
1420
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:14,123
Why did she, twice after that,
visit personally with him in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
1421
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,980
I get Christmas cards from people I don't see
from one end of the year to the other end
1422
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,286
and do not wish to.
1423
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,130
I also return their cards
and will return their calls.
1424
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,300
And these are people who have insulted me
1425
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,370
and done things which perhaps
have been degrading at times.
1426
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,923
But these are the things
you have to put up with.
1427
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,489
And being a black woman,
you have to put up with a lot.
1428
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,446
So you grit your teeth, and you do it.
1429
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,011
- Senator Kennedy.
- Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
1430
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,169
Some people just don't want to believe you.
1431
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,525
You have to understand
that they just don't want to believe you,
1432
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,321
and they don't want
to believe Professor Hill.
1433
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,681
But I hope, Mr. Chairman...
1434
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,082
I hope that we're not going to hear
a lot more comments,
1435
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:14,609
unworthy, unjustified comments
1436
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,287
about fantasy stories picked out of books
1437
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:22,286
and law cases
after we've heard from this panel.
1438
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,809
I hope we can clear this room of the dirt
1439
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:30,209
and innuendo
about over-the-transom information.
1440
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,860
I hope we're going to be sensitive
1441
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,660
to the attempts of character assassination
on Professor Hill.
1442
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,046
They're unworthy.
1443
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,841
And quite frankly, I hope we're not going
to hear a lot more about racism
1444
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,122
as we consider this nominee.
1445
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,322
Fact is that these points
of sexual harassment
1446
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,811
are made by an Afro-American
against an Afro-American.
1447
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,289
The issue isn't discrimination and racism.
1448
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,805
It's about sexual harassment.
1449
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:10,608
And I hope we can keep our eye
on that particular issue.
1450
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,481
Thank you.
1451
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,330
Thank you, Senator Kennedy.
1452
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,100
Within the last few minutes,
we just found out
1453
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,620
that Professor Anita Hill
has taken a polygraph test,
1454
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,180
and according to the expert that
administered it to her, she passed it.
1455
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,940
She offered to take a lie detector test.
1456
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,900
That's not the hallmark
of someone who's lying.
1457
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,660
At a golf outing, President
Bush said he saw no reason
1458
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,048
for either Hill or Judge Clarence Thomas
to take such a test.
1459
01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:59,660
I don't want to be in a position of advocating
that every nominee takes a lie detector test.
1460
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,046
And I think it's a stupid idea.
1461
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,364
Of course she'll pass a polygraph
1462
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,851
because the disorder makes her believe
she is telling the truth.
1463
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,300
Republicans complaining bitterly
that, as Orrin Hatch said,
1464
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,980
you can find any polygraph tester
to produce any results you want.
1465
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:19,404
He called it "the sleazy tactic
of a two-bit sleaze lawyer."
1466
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:22,100
It seems to me that in the country
1467
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,660
for that great band in the middle somewhere,
1468
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,162
that their judgment swings
from session to session.
1469
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,767
This afternoon,
Anita Hill's friends and supporters
1470
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,180
made a very credible appearance.
1471
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,100
Tonight, his friends and supporters
and coworkers
1472
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:36,900
are making credible performances.
1473
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,731
He's a man of high moral standing,
1474
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,088
and I tell you that it's not possible
1475
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:44,980
that he could be linked
with the kinds of things
1476
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,740
that have been alleged against him here.
1477
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,322
I have known Judge Clarence Thomas
for more than 30 years,
1478
01:31:50,440 --> 01:31:56,300
and I find the allegations by Miss Hill
not only ludicrous but totally inconsistent,
1479
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,260
and in opposite to his principles
and his personality.
1480
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,843
She played the role of a meek, innocent,
shy Baptist girl from the South
1481
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,540
who was a victim of this big bad man.
1482
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,020
Chairman Thomas
that I have known for 10 years
1483
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,603
is absolutely incapable
of the abuses described by Professor Hill.
1484
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,220
In my case,
1485
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:20,420
she had fantasized about my being
interested in her romantically.
1486
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:21,806
Et tu, Brutus?
1487
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,005
You, too, Anita?
1488
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,220
Extraordinary hearings
on the nomination of
1489
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,140
Judge Clarence Thomas continue
1490
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,580
and are expected
to go on long into the night.
1491
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,540
Tomorrow, Professor Anita Hill
and Judge Clarence Thomas
1492
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,940
have been invited back
to wrap up their testimony,
1493
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:43,100
Extraordinary is a word that may be
not quite strong enough, Carole.
1494
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,780
This thing has ground on now for hours
through the day and into the night.
1495
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,700
Some Republican senators are still trying
1496
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,060
to prevent the Committee from hearing
testimony from another witness
1497
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,060
who's come forward against Thomas.
1498
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:55,940
At first, we thought it was going to be
1499
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,300
a national encounter on sexual harassment.
1500
01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:59,740
And now it has turned ugly.
1501
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,740
It's almost a murder-suicide pact
between Democrats and Republicans.
1502
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,604
Just no one wins.
1503
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,780
I talked to Joel Paul.
1504
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,220
He's been getting threatening phone calls,
and he's worried he won't get tenure.
1505
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,641
Because he was a character witness for me?
1506
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:15,527
Yes.
1507
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,260
If we can get Thomas's porn rental records,
I say we get them.
1508
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,700
- Absolutely not, no.
- Joe, this is a dirty fight.
1509
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,980
There's no second place.
If we don't win, we lose.
1510
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,320
At what cost, Patrick?
1511
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,620
I'm getting calls into my office.
Hundreds an hour.
1512
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:37,940
American citizens saying
1513
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,060
whatever the hell
you people are doing down there
1514
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:45,740
with the Coke cans and Long Dong Ding,
whatever the fuck it is, stop it.
1515
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,940
We have an obligation to make sure
1516
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,900
we're putting the right person
on the Supreme Court.
1517
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,820
I also have an obligation
to uphold the dignity
1518
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,540
and the credibility
of the United States Senate.
1519
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,881
Yeah? How's that going?
1520
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,460
If there is a consensus
in this nation tonight,
1521
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:32,441
it is that no one likes what's going on
and there are no real winners.
1522
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,731
We have gone from shock to discomfort,
1523
01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:39,762
now to a combination of anger,
depression, and shame.
1524
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,420
No, you are not introducing
that vile, obvious bullshit.
1525
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,569
Maybe it's BS, and maybe it's not, Joe.
You don't know.
1526
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,566
It's just like this bogus movie
rental stuff and this Angela Wright.
1527
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:59,100
If you want to introduce questionable
testimony on national television,
1528
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,020
I've got a doozy right here.
1529
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,940
You know we've got the votes back, Joe.
1530
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,820
We have a solid 51 in the Senate.
1531
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,526
We'll probably pick up
one or two more by Tuesday,
1532
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,180
so we can keep talking dirty
to the nation if you want,
1533
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,009
but it won't change the outcome.
1534
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:14,500
Jack, is this who you want to be?
1535
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,020
This is a free-for-all, Joe.
There are no rules.
1536
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,860
Somebody who goes after a woman
like this with no holds barred?
1537
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,860
You know this is a street fight, Joe.
1538
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,620
And if a friend of mine is attacked
in a street fight,
1539
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,722
I'm gonna pick up a crowbar.
1540
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,847
Hey, take that shit with you.
1541
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:20,047
So I came all the way here for nothing?
1542
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,205
The Committee appreciates
your willingness to participate.
1543
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,530
"Willingness"? I was subpoenaed.
1544
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,740
While it is Chairman Biden's desire
that you testify,
1545
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,060
the time constraints we find ourselves under
are making that impossible.
1546
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,481
"Time constraints"?
I've been here a day and a half.
1547
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,091
So the chairman would like
to withdraw your subpoena.
1548
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,848
He will enter your deposition
into the written record unrebutted.
1549
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,769
This agreement is by mutual consent.
1550
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,300
He would like you to sign it.
1551
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:49,460
What if I don't?
1552
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:54,441
They'll fill the time with other witnesses
so they really do run out of time.
1553
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,900
Angela Wright is not going to testify.
1554
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:12,604
- What?
- No!
1555
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,140
By mutual agreement, they say.
1556
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:15,220
That is bullshit.
1557
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,260
The deposition is going
into the written record,
1558
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,060
so the senators will know what she said.
1559
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,540
If they read it, which they won't.
1560
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,290
- Which they won't.
- Correct.
1561
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,929
This was a mistake.
1562
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,340
This is why I never came forward before.
1563
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:34,920
What good have we done?
1564
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:38,180
My friends' jobs are being threatened.
1565
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,180
My reputation is ruined.
1566
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:41,340
- For what?
- You will testify tomorrow
1567
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:42,420
and set the record straight.
1568
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,808
I have said everything that I came here
to say, but they don't want to hear it.
1569
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,608
They don't care. They only want to win.
1570
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,980
There's got to be something we can do.
1571
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,020
There has to be something else
that we can do.
1572
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,201
We need to get the names.
1573
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,846
You all have worked very hard.
1574
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:17,649
And if I'm letting you down, I'm sorry.
1575
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,204
Call Judiciary.
1576
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,841
Tell them I'm done. I want to go home.
1577
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,580
Ladies, thank you so much.
1578
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,340
We certainly appreciate
your testimony here today.
1579
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:05,081
Obviously we didn't recognize or realize
1580
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,620
we were going to go quite as late
as we did tonight.
1581
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,051
- Senator.
- But that's...
1582
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:22,020
Both Professor Hill and Judge Thomas
1583
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:26,648
have decided not to appear tomorrow.
1584
01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:31,405
Based on that,
this entire proceeding is ended.
1585
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,740
- Fifty-two votes.
- Fifty-two votes! Congratulations!
1586
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,020
Thomas's supporters claim
that he has the votes
1587
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:24,380
to win the confirmation when the full
Senate votes at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday.
1588
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,660
But the situation is now
so muddled and so confused
1589
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,100
after three days of lurid,
inconclusive testimony
1590
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,180
that nobody's sure of anything,
1591
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,409
except that the whole process
has been distasteful.
1592
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:10,721
Hey.
1593
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,487
Who'd you believe, him or her?
1594
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:18,161
Her.
1595
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,740
The chair will remind the galleries
1596
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,730
that expressions of approval
or disapproval are prohibited.
1597
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:26,444
The question is on the confirmation of the
nomination of Clarence Thomas of Georgia
1598
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,247
to be an Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court.
1599
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,885
The clerk will call the roll.
1600
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,044
- Mr. Adams.
- No.
1601
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,968
- Mr. Akaka.
- No.
1602
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,820
- Mr. Baucus.
- No.
1603
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:41,968
- Mr. Bentsen.
- No.
1604
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,801
- Mr. Biden.
- No.
1605
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,089
- Mr. Bingaman.
- No.
1606
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,284
- Mr. Bond.
- Aye.
1607
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,761
Hey.
1608
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:13,571
Welcome home.
1609
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:16,480
Thank you.
1610
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:18,845
Is this all...
1611
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,645
For you? Yup.
1612
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,606
All of it.
1613
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,561
What's it say?
1614
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,163
"Dear Professor Hill,
1615
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,606
"For 25 years, I've been a cashier.
1616
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:07,488
"All that time, my boss has treated me
like his personal property.
1617
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,890
"I never said anything,
not even to my husband.
1618
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,620
"It's been really scary and lonely,
1619
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:19,011
"but watching you this week felt like
I was watching someone standing up for me.
1620
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:23,130
"So thank you.
1621
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,481
"Sincerely, Elisa Nelson."
1622
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:30,241
Wow.
1623
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,565
- Mr. Wellstone.
- No.
1624
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,005
- Mr. Wirth.
- No.
1625
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,371
- Mr. Wofford.
- No.
1626
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:12,525
The yeas are 52, and the nays are 48.
1627
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,008
The nomination of
Clarence Thomas of Georgia
1628
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,540
to be Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court
1629
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:20,449
is hereby confirmed.
1630
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:41,761
Clarence.
1631
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,165
It's good news.
1632
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:31,200
It was not too long ago
1633
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:34,642
that a colleague of mine
complimented me on my appearance
1634
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,180
and then said that he was going to
chase me around the House floor.
1635
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,060
The last time the federal
government polled all its workers,
1636
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:44,940
42% of the women reported
they had been recently sexually harassed.
1637
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,644
So, Hal, tell us what happens now.
1638
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,688
Well, what happens now is we've got
a political issue for the 1992 campaign.
1639
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,180
Two percent may be good for milk,
1640
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,620
but it ain't good
for the United State Senate.
1641
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,740
What's different this year is
the record number of women
1642
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,286
running and winning up and down the ticket.
1643
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,820
One factor there and elsewhere is backlash
over the Senate's treatment of Anita Hill.
1644
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,140
A woman's voice does not count
in America today.
1645
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,660
I have not been sexually harassed,
1646
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,003
but I have been very obviously
discriminated against.
1647
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,220
Happened something like 20 years ago.
1648
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,721
- But you're aware that women also...
- Wait. Wait, Sam!
1649
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,820
I remember every word of it.
1650
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,700
If we stay mad about
Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill,
1651
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:29,928
we'll never remember our lines.
1652
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:34,926
Oh... Please.
1653
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,620
Sir, would you please state your name?
1654
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,722
Long Dong Silver.
1655
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:46,020
The rules of the old boys' club
that prevailed in this hearing
1656
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,580
are simply not going to work anymore.
1657
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,604
The Senate Judiciary Committee
is getting diversity,
1658
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,460
Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois
and California's Dianne Feinstein
1659
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,005
have been assigned to the panel.
1660
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,980
Women for the first time
in my lifetime have said
1661
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,340
we are players in this society,
and we intend to stay that way.
1662
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:06,780
On Thursday, President Bush signed
a long-awaited civil rights bill.
1663
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,140
...which will make it much
easier for women and minorities
1664
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:11,660
to sue for discrimination...
1665
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,620
...and harassment on the job.
1666
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,940
It does not have to be a physical
touch or a specific threat.
1667
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:21,660
Companies now produce videos explaining
it can be any unwanted sexual advances.
1668
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,220
A bill to combat violence against women
was introduced in the US Senate.
1669
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:29,540
You should have the civil rights protection
as well as the criminal laws protection.
1670
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:34,060
This has become a national teacher
on the issue of sexual harassment.
1671
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,180
I just think that you're getting caught up
in the politics of it
1672
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,940
when what you're forgetting is that
there's a human being, a woman involved.
1673
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,980
- There's a man, too.
- Okay.
1674
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,340
That'd be Clarence Thomas.
His is the name that's been made mud of.
1675
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:50,060
There's clearly a brass-knuckles,
1676
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,420
totally unfair process
of brutalizing Presidential appointees.
1677
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,060
How much of an exploration
1678
01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,540
of not only Supreme Court candidates but
all candidates for public office do you want?
1679
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,768
Do you have anything further to say about it?
1680
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:08,740
Senator, my reaction to this has been...
1681
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,060
Over the last two weeks,
has been one of horror.
1682
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,020
I can't tell you what I've lived through.
1683
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,060
I think I did the right thing.
1684
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:21,645
I think I did what was proper and correct
in this situation.
1685
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:28,330
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