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- I wish I could make you feel safe.
- Can‘t you warn him off for me?
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- Drive. Go, go!
- What happened?
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Trust me. Everything's going to be OK.
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I'll see you in Apple Tree Yard.
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Were you there when Mark Costley
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beat and kicked George
Selway to death, Yvonne?
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Ijust don't get why you went to him.
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Costley's effectively pleading
guilty to manslaughter.
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If they accept Costley's plea,
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they still can come
after you for murder.
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That you have brought into your mess!
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You deserve everything you get!
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The first defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
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claimed that he is not responsible
for the killing of George Selway
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because he has a personality disorder.
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What are "special measures"?
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Yes, that's the witness that
needs to retain anonymity.
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- The Ml5 man, yes?
- Yeah.
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I'm asking if you were happy enough
with Mark Costley's mental state?
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It was purely for me to turn him down
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as an unsuitable candidate
for the security services.
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YVONNE: Who are you really?
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You may not be a spook, Mark Costley...
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but one thing's clear...
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MARK: You're beautiful.
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you're in love with secrets.
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Life's mysterious...
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Maybe that‘s all we
shared, you and I...
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Trust me.
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...a secret.
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A secret we have to keep.
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Sergeant Johns, the man we have
in the dock here, Mr Costley,
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- do you know him?
- Yes, I worked with him
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throug hout my time at the Crown Estate.
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- On a daily basis?
- That's correct.
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Would you mind describing to the court
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Mark Costley's responsibilities
as a security advisor,
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so far as you understand them?
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Certainly.
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It was his job to ensure
compliance, health and safety,
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any arrangements for special events,
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checking the duty log,
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supervising shifts for
the CCTV monitoring crews,
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that sort of thing.
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And was Mr Costley good at his job?
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Yes, he was, on the whole.
He was very reliable.
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Efficient.
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During the time you worked
with him, until he was arrested,
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did your colleague display any behaviour
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that led to concerns that he
might be unstable psychologically?
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No. He did everything
that was required of him.
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- He was just... normal.
- Normal?
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To talk to, the way he acted.
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Were you aware of any change
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in what you describe as Mark
Costley's "normal" behaviour
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in the days before the
killing of George Selway
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on March the 12th of this year?
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I can't remember any change at all.
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- He seemed... how he always did.
- What about prior to that?
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In November of the previous year,
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when Yvonne Carmichael
told him she'd been raped,
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did you observe any change
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in your colleague Mark Costley's
behaviour at that time?
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No.
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I don't remember any change whatsoever.
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He was just Mark.
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Sergeant Johns, you've told the court
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that you saw no change in
Mark Costley‘s behaviour
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in November of last year.
Is that correct?
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Yes.
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That‘s not strictly true, is it?
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In respect of Mark
Costley‘s behaviour to you...
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was there a change
in November last year?
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Not really. I don't think so.
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Isn't it the case that, during November
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and into December of last year,
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the two of you had had a
short-lived relationship,
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which ended acrimoniously?
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- No. That's absolutely untrue.
- Which bit?
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That you and Mr Costley were in a
relationship, or that it was over?
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It wasn't a relationship.
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I wouldn't describe it like that at all.
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- How would you describe it?
- I would say...
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Mark propositioned me.
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And had he "propositioned"
you prior to this?
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No.
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So this marked a change in his
behaviour, then, towards you,
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- in November of last year?
- Well, I suppose so.
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I thought that you meant
his general behav...
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You went for drinks with
Mr Costley after work
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on, I believe, three orfour occasions.
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Not that many times.
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- Once or twice.
- Which was it? Once or twice?
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- Twice, maybe.
- Oh, really?
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Well, my information is that
it was at least three times.
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And on the last of these occasions,
in early December of last year,
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you had intimate contact with Mr Costley
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in a Westminster pub
called the Bull And Keg.
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Firstly... the first time we went
out was with a group of people.
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So I would say twice.
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Secondly, the contact
that you're referring to
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was initiated by him and
I told him to stop.
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Immediately?
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Did you ask him to stop
immediately, Sergeant Johns?
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Not immediately. No.
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So perhaps you could take us through
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exactly what happened between
you in the Bull And Keg.
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We'd had a few drinks and Mark...
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Mr Costley had his hand on my knee.
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It was making me uncomfortable.
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Just having his hand on your knee?
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No.
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I have no wish to
embarrass you, Sergeant,
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but can I suggest
that you and Mr Costley
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had been drinking
together since around 6pm?
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He had his hand on your
knee beneath the table.
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At some point, he moved
his hand under your skirt,
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down your tights and
into your underwear...
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where he proceeded, I believe
the appropriate colloquialism is,
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to finger you.
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My Lord, I fail to see how
this is in any way necessary.
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Well, I'm seeking to establish
the fitness of the witness
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to assess the defendant's mental state.
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[KATE SLAMS THE DOOR]
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I'll allow this question.
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But move on swiftly, please, Ms Bonnard.
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Did Mr Costley insert his fingers
into your vagina, Sergeant Johns?
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Yes.
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And did you prevent him from
doing so, or object in any way?
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Not at the time, no.
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So in other words, you and Mr Costley
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had intimate sexual
contact, did you not?
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You know, which in many people's
eyes, constitutes a relationship.
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I told him I didn't like it.
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Was this in the pub?
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No. At work, the next day.
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It was embarrassing.
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I told him I wasn't
interested and, after that,
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he made it clear that he was
giving me the cold shoulder.
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Things got quite hostile
on his part, actually.
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He started ignoring me
in meetings and so on.
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He made it really difficult.
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So, when you told this court...
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that Mr Costley was "just Mark'"...
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in both November of last
year, when Yvonne Carmichael
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sought his advice after
her rape by George Selway
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and in the days immediately preceding
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the killing of George Selway,
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did his "normal" pattern of behaviour
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include the sexual advances towards you
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and his "difficult"
professional behaviour?
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I just meant... the day-to-day.
It was nothing I couldn't handle.
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Is being felt up by a
colleague in the pub normal,
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as far as you're concerned,
Sergeant Johns?
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No! Of course it's not!
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No further questions for
this witness, my Lord.
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No questions, my Lord.
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Thank you, Sergeant Johns.
You may step down.
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YVONNE: Poor Sergeant Johns.
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Two weeks after I told you
what George Selway did to me...
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you were in that pub with her.
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That's how much I mean to you.
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Dr. Sanderson, can you
tell the jury what you do?
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I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist
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and I've been practising as
such for the last 23 years.
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You conducted an assessment of
Mark Costley while he was on remand.
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- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
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Having examined Mark Costley,
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do you assess him as suffering
from a personality disorder?
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- I do not.
- Why is that?
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An individual with a
personality disorder
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would not possess Mr Costley's
solid work record, for one,
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or his complete lack
of psychiatric history.
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It's also extremely unlikely
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that a personality-disordered
individual
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would hold down a stable marriage,
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let alone a career in the civil service.
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And setting all that aside,
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during my assessment,
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Mr Costley displayed none
of the signs or symptoms
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of a personality disorder.
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What are those?
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Emotional instability.
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Lack of individual identity.
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A pattern of run-ins with the law.
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Suicidal behaviours.
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Addictions of various kinds.
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So...
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during your examination, Mr
Costley displayed none of these?
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No.
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In my expert opinion, he has
difficulty telling the truth.
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But the pursuit of extramarital sex
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and a tendency to embroider the facts
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do not mean that he is mentally unwell.
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Otherwise, half the men in the
country would be seeking treatment.
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Coming now to previous
offences on file...
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Yes. In 2005,
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Mark Costley pleaded
guilty to the charge
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of assault occasioning
actual bodily harm.
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Thank you, Detective
Inspector Cleveland.
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That concludes the case
for the Crown, my Lord.
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YVONNE: I don't know you at all, dol?
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I never did.
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And you are all that's standing
between me and a prison sentence.
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GARY: I'm sorry I wasn't
there this afternoon.
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I took Carrie in for a check-up.
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- But everything's OK, isn't it?
- Yes. Yeah.
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- You would tell me if it wasn't?
- Absolutely fine.
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Of course.
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The baby's just not
ready to come out yet.
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All OK this afternoon?
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Yeah.
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Smoke and mirrors, you know?
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You know I love you.
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Stay strong, hm?
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- I'll see you tomorrow, love.
- Bye.
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[GARY HANGS UP]
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Good morning, Dr. Carmichael.
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We're getting there.
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Even Ms. Bonnard shouldn't
be able to spin her case out
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- beyond the end of today.
- Really?
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Well, Mr. Costley won't be in the
box, as they're pleading diminished.
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So, er... yeah.
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The... assault that the
prosecution mentioned yesterday,
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that Mark was charged with,
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do you know the details?
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He, er... attacked a
man outside a restaurant
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who was chatting up his wife, I believe.
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Broke his jaw.
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The defence managed
to limit the admission,
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so the jury doesn't know that.
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It won't have exactly improved
their opinion of him, though,
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- hearing he has a conviction.
- Do you think they think it's murder?
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Well, in my experience,
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it's always best not to try and
second-guess what a jury's thinking.
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Hopefully, the defence
psychiatrist Ms. Bonnard is calling
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will help convince the jury that
Mr. Costley is mad, rather than bad.
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Not that we're relying on
his defence, you understand.
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But it would help our case, wouldn't it?
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Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter.
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It would help, certainly.
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When I examined Mark Costley,
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he displayed very highly
developed coping mechanisms,
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considering the situation he
was in, the stress he was under.
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Coping...
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Isn't that the sign of someone who's
psychologically healthy, Dr. Sadiq?
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Not necessarily. Not all patients
with disordered personalities
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have chaotic lives.
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Very intelligent people,
with good support systems,
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they can be what you could
call high-functioning patients.
253
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Theircoping, in fact, masks
more deep-seated symptoms.
254
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Could you tell us, Dr. Sadiq,
how a personality disorder
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might be displayed in a patient...
256
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[CROSS EXAMINATION FADES AWAY]
257
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What did you think of me, the
first time you saw me? Honestly?
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Well...
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I thought...
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I would.
261
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[SHE CHUCKLES]
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- Well, you did. Yeah.
- I did.
263
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[SHE CHUCKLES]
264
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So was it just that?
265
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Seriously, like, "I would"?
266
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No, I just thought...
267
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you seemed to know what you were doing.
268
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No, not like that!
269
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Well, yes, like that.
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But you seemed...
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right.
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Sound...
273
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...so, in Mr Costley's
case, he dissociates.
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He detaches from real life
275
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and creates his own
self-sustaining narrative.
276
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Forgive me, Doctor. Would you mind
putting that in layperson's terms?
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Sorry.
278
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Patients like Mr. Costley,
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they make themselves the
hero of their own story,
280
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almost like they're
in a film, or a book,
281
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and they're watching themselves
as the main character.
282
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And to other people, this
tendency to make up stories,
283
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could it make the sufferer seem
merely... a bit of a fantasist?
284
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It could look like that,
on the outside, yes.
285
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But it would represent an
abnormality of mental functioning,
286
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- is that correct?
- That is correct.
287
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What happens, Dr Sadiq, when someone
suffering from this type of disorder
288
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is put in an unusually
stressful situation?
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Well, if their sense
of safety is challenged
290
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by the loss of their stable environment,
291
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they decompensate.
292
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Decompensate... What does that mean?
293
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Act oddly, if you like.
294
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They might then start
showing chaotic behaviour,
295
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disturbed behaviour, violent
or self-destructive tendencies.
296
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- Violent, you say?
- Yes.
297
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They might lash out,
lose control completely.
298
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And in an altercation,
Such as we can assume
299
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took place between George
Selway and Mark Costley...
300
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- Objection!
- Ms. Bonnard...
301
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My Lord.
302
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To be clear, Dr. Sadiq, in a
personality-disordered individual,
303
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such as the type you're describing,
304
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could an argument or a physical threat
305
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substantially impair their
ability to keep a grip
306
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on what a reasonable response might be?
307
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I think so, yes.
308
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Right, so their abnormality
of mental functioning
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would, in this situation,
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affect their ability to
exercise self-control?
311
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Yes, it would.
312
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Returning to Mark Costley,
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during your examination of him,
what conclusions did you draw?
314
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I was struck by his almost
inappropriate ability
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to manage this very
stressful situation he was in
316
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as though he'd found a
different story to tell himself.
317
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Added to the nature of
the crime he's admitted to,
318
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his history of risky sexual encounters,
319
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even his attraction to
the secret service...
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In my opinion, Mark Costley
fits the profile of someone
321
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with a high-functioning
personality disorder.
322
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Thank you.
323
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No questions for the witness, my Lord.
324
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Dr Sadiq, this theory of yours
325
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about so-called high-functioning
personality disorders,
326
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am I correct in saying it formed
the basis of your PhD thesis
327
00:16:40,203 --> 00:16:44,142
- at Kingston University?
- Yes, that's right.
328
00:16:44,143 --> 00:16:46,672
So would it be fair to
say it's your pet theory?
329
00:16:48,206 --> 00:16:50,735
Well... in a way.
330
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It's certainly a theory I've
done a great deal of work on.
331
00:16:55,153 --> 00:16:58,012
- It explains a lot, in my opinion.
- Indeed.
332
00:16:58,013 --> 00:17:01,342
But isn't it the case that
your theory is countered
333
00:17:01,343 --> 00:17:04,342
by the recognised diagnostic
categorisation systems
334
00:17:04,343 --> 00:17:07,532
- used in psychiatry?
- Well, I wouldn't say countered.
335
00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:11,332
For instance, the Worldwide
Disease Classification Index...
336
00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:13,622
Is high-functioning
personality disorder
337
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included in the current
manual, Dr Sadiq?
338
00:17:16,113 --> 00:17:18,402
It isn't in WDCI-IO.
339
00:17:18,403 --> 00:17:21,542
But we're hoping, by the
time WDCI-II comes out,
340
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- it'll be included.
- No doubt.
341
00:17:23,613 --> 00:17:26,982
But does high-functioning
personality disorder
342
00:17:27,023 --> 00:17:30,502
appear anywhere in this highly
respected reference work?
343
00:17:33,693 --> 00:17:35,232
Erm...
344
00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:38,842
it isn't yet classified as a
separate diagnosis in the WDCI.
345
00:17:38,843 --> 00:17:43,162
But in WDCI-II, the intention
is to move to a spectrum-based...
346
00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:44,702
Thank you, Dr Sadiq.
347
00:17:46,343 --> 00:17:50,562
In the Biannual Study Papers
Of Mental Disorders, Volume 24,
348
00:17:50,563 --> 00:17:53,052
dated March 2013,
349
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there is a specific
refutation of your theory
350
00:17:57,133 --> 00:17:59,282
in an article by Dr Michael Sedora,
351
00:17:59,283 --> 00:18:02,802
an expert in borderline
personality disorders
352
00:18:02,803 --> 00:18:05,192
of some 22 years' standing.
353
00:18:05,193 --> 00:18:08,382
It's page 72, my Lord, footnote five.
354
00:18:08,383 --> 00:18:10,162
See "Sadiq, Kingston,
355
00:18:10,163 --> 00:18:12,502
High-Functioning Personality Disorder
356
00:18:12,503 --> 00:18:15,832
And The Disguise Of
Pathological Trait Domains."
357
00:18:15,833 --> 00:18:19,162
That is the name of your
PhD thesis, Dr Sadiq?
358
00:18:21,413 --> 00:18:22,392
Dr Sadiq?
359
00:18:23,893 --> 00:18:25,672
Yes, that's right.
360
00:18:27,833 --> 00:18:31,632
"I find no clinical
evidence that the so-called
361
00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:35,522
high-functioning individual
is able to disguise traits
362
00:18:35,523 --> 00:18:38,712
such as compulsivity or antagonism
363
00:18:38,713 --> 00:18:42,032
from family members or
medical professionals."
364
00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:44,752
They're missing the
fundamental point of my thesis,
365
00:18:44,753 --> 00:18:48,272
which is that personality is not
a binary concept but a spectrum.
366
00:18:48,273 --> 00:18:52,492
"I discount entirely the existence
of a high-functioning category
367
00:18:52,493 --> 00:18:54,462
separate from the current definition
368
00:18:54,463 --> 00:18:55,632
of personality disorders."
369
00:18:55,633 --> 00:18:58,632
There's a group of
individuals, like Mr Costley,
370
00:18:58,633 --> 00:19:00,932
who have significant
personality pathology,
371
00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:03,602
which may fall short of the current
diagnosis of personality dis...
372
00:19:03,603 --> 00:19:04,962
Fall short?
373
00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:13,582
Indeed.
374
00:19:15,895 --> 00:19:19,965
"A subcategory of high-functioning
personality disorder...
375
00:19:20,986 --> 00:19:23,364
remains unsubsta ntiated."
376
00:19:30,793 --> 00:19:32,902
No further questions, my Lord.
377
00:19:35,243 --> 00:19:36,552
YVONNE: Mad or bad?
378
00:19:37,773 --> 00:19:40,579
Right now, the jury thinks
you're as sane as I am.
379
00:19:41,739 --> 00:19:43,418
They think you're a murderer.
380
00:19:56,573 --> 00:19:58,022
[HE MOUTHS]
381
00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:24,869
[HE TAPS LOUDLY]
382
00:20:26,483 --> 00:20:28,172
Yeah, OK, I'll come down.
383
00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:33,512
They were a bit worried
because her waters had broken
384
00:20:33,513 --> 00:20:36,282
and nothing was happening,
so they induced her
385
00:20:36,283 --> 00:20:39,462
and it was all fast
and furious after that.
386
00:20:39,463 --> 00:20:42,134
But Carrie's OK? The baby's OK?
387
00:20:43,073 --> 00:20:47,045
- Who does he look like?
- Oh, my nose maybe. Poor bugger!
388
00:20:47,048 --> 00:20:48,842
[HE CHUCKLES]
389
00:20:48,843 --> 00:20:52,452
You did tell Carrie that they
wouldn't let me call the hospital?
390
00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:54,332
I'll give her all your love.
391
00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:57,472
And Sathnam. She knows you're
thinking about her, love.
392
00:20:57,473 --> 00:20:58,872
Oh, God...
393
00:21:00,473 --> 00:21:02,672
I really wish I could have been there.
394
00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:03,982
I know.
395
00:21:05,723 --> 00:21:08,392
- Oh, bloody hell!
- Oh, aye, come on, now...
396
00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:10,032
Hm?
397
00:21:10,033 --> 00:21:13,502
Home straight. Just remember
everything Robert's told you
398
00:21:13,503 --> 00:21:16,312
about making a good impression
399
00:21:16,313 --> 00:21:20,783
and we'll get home and
see that baby, yeah?
400
00:21:22,783 --> 00:21:24,232
Yeah.
401
00:21:25,263 --> 00:21:27,422
You will tell Carrie that
I love her, won't you?
402
00:21:30,707 --> 00:21:33,846
- What are they going to call him?
- Oh, I don't think they've decided yet.
403
00:21:34,923 --> 00:21:36,677
I'm keen on Gary Junior.
404
00:21:42,053 --> 00:21:44,252
Von, I want to be there tomorrow.
405
00:21:45,283 --> 00:21:46,882
For all of it.
406
00:21:46,883 --> 00:21:49,132
When you're questioned.
407
00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,450
- But we agreed.
- Yeah.
408
00:21:51,843 --> 00:21:54,888
Yeah. It's important, though.
409
00:21:56,583 --> 00:22:02,052
I've been thinking and I'm so
sorry about all the shite over Rosa.
410
00:22:03,003 --> 00:22:04,642
No more secrets.
411
00:22:06,248 --> 00:22:08,167
Nowhere we can't go together.
412
00:22:09,399 --> 00:22:12,728
That's how all this happened
in the first place, and I just...
413
00:22:15,103 --> 00:22:19,502
I just wish you'd been
able to trust me with it.
414
00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:29,912
Oh, I'm sorry.
415
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:41,689
OK.
416
00:23:05,023 --> 00:23:06,852
What about me?
417
00:23:06,853 --> 00:23:09,242
What did you think the
first time you saw me?
418
00:23:11,043 --> 00:23:12,582
You were just so...
419
00:23:13,513 --> 00:23:17,232
so comfortable in your own world.
420
00:23:20,123 --> 00:23:21,852
In that committee room.
421
00:23:21,853 --> 00:23:23,682
Just owning it.
422
00:23:26,683 --> 00:23:27,839
I loved that.
423
00:23:50,683 --> 00:23:53,922
[SHE GIGGLES]
424
00:23:53,923 --> 00:23:56,872
[LAUGHTER CONTINUES]
425
00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,202
All rise.
426
00:24:31,983 --> 00:24:36,202
Dr Carmichael, can you give us some
idea of the kind of work involved
427
00:24:36,203 --> 00:24:38,972
in appearing at a House of
Commons Select Committee?
428
00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:41,782
Erm... well, it doesn't
really involve any extra work,
429
00:24:41,783 --> 00:24:43,422
apart from turning up.
430
00:24:44,453 --> 00:24:46,942
You're called to answer
questions that cover your field.
431
00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:49,092
Your field being?
432
00:24:49,093 --> 00:24:52,702
The human genome and
genetic engineering.
433
00:24:52,703 --> 00:24:56,082
And it was at the last of these
occasions that you met Mark Costley?
434
00:24:56,083 --> 00:24:57,952
That's correct.
435
00:24:57,955 --> 00:25:00,354
Can you tell me your
impressions of him?
436
00:25:01,473 --> 00:25:03,482
He was pleasant.
437
00:25:03,483 --> 00:25:06,266
Er, knowledgeable. I liked him.
438
00:25:07,143 --> 00:25:11,692
He gave me a guided tour of
the Great Hall of Westminster,
439
00:25:11,693 --> 00:25:13,422
the Crypt Chapel.
440
00:25:14,783 --> 00:25:16,842
We met for coffee a few times.
441
00:25:16,843 --> 00:25:19,662
I work... I worked nearby.
442
00:25:19,663 --> 00:25:21,912
Did you meet purely as friends?
443
00:25:21,913 --> 00:25:23,412
Yes.
444
00:25:23,413 --> 00:25:27,248
His niece was considering
a career in science and...
445
00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:30,392
Well, it's a bit of
a hobby-horse of mine,
446
00:25:30,393 --> 00:25:33,162
getting women and girls into
science as a career, so...
447
00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:36,912
My own daughter's a scientist.
448
00:25:38,273 --> 00:25:41,882
So we talked about that
and I gave him some advice.
449
00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:43,852
Dr Carmichael, we now have to discuss
450
00:25:43,853 --> 00:25:46,192
the events that have led, indirectly,
451
00:25:46,193 --> 00:25:48,112
to you being here,
452
00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:51,442
in a position you never would
have imagined yourself to be in.
453
00:26:07,383 --> 00:26:09,862
[INAUDIBLE]
454
00:26:18,253 --> 00:26:19,612
It didn't seem real.
455
00:26:21,863 --> 00:26:23,792
Although it was...
456
00:26:23,793 --> 00:26:27,072
the most, most shocking thing
that's ever happened to me.
457
00:26:29,842 --> 00:26:31,811
When it was over...
458
00:26:31,812 --> 00:26:35,421
he acted as if it was completely normal.
459
00:26:35,422 --> 00:26:37,717
And I got in the cab with him because...
460
00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,298
I didn't know what else to do.
461
00:26:42,682 --> 00:26:45,591
Some people will find
it hard to understand
462
00:26:45,592 --> 00:26:47,511
why you didn't even tell your husband
463
00:26:47,512 --> 00:26:49,341
about this horrific, vicious attack.
464
00:26:52,622 --> 00:26:56,231
I would have found it hard,
before it happened to me.
465
00:26:56,232 --> 00:26:57,871
To understand, I mean.
466
00:26:59,942 --> 00:27:01,761
But it seemed so clear.
467
00:27:07,342 --> 00:27:09,361
I didn't want what he did...
468
00:27:11,012 --> 00:27:14,571
in my life, in my home.
469
00:27:19,572 --> 00:27:21,871
I didn't want to be
sitting in my kitchen,
470
00:27:21,872 --> 00:27:25,150
having a meal with my
husband and wonder...
471
00:27:27,502 --> 00:27:31,643
two years later, five
years later, whatever...
472
00:27:34,062 --> 00:27:38,241
wonder if he was
thinking about it, or...
473
00:27:40,952 --> 00:27:44,381
for him to raise it, or talk about it...
474
00:27:46,162 --> 00:27:48,311
when I wasn't ready.
475
00:27:48,352 --> 00:27:50,191
I wasn't ready.
476
00:27:50,192 --> 00:27:53,851
[SHE SOBS]
477
00:28:03,692 --> 00:28:07,961
George Selway treated me as
a collection of holes and...
478
00:28:10,532 --> 00:28:15,831
at least, by not telling Gary,
I had control over that one thing.
479
00:28:21,272 --> 00:28:25,581
What was your intention when
you went to see Mark Costley
480
00:28:25,582 --> 00:28:28,491
to ask his advice about George Selway?
481
00:28:28,492 --> 00:28:30,691
I just wanted it to stop.
482
00:28:31,772 --> 00:28:35,051
E-mailing me, texting, following me.
483
00:28:37,162 --> 00:28:41,011
When George turned
up near my house, I...
484
00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:43,021
I was just so frightened.
485
00:28:45,082 --> 00:28:46,541
To be clear...
486
00:28:47,662 --> 00:28:51,511
did you wish George
Selway physical harm?
487
00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,241
No.
488
00:28:53,242 --> 00:28:57,741
Did you encourage or urge Mr Mark
Costley to kill George Selway?
489
00:28:57,742 --> 00:28:58,771
No!
490
00:29:00,182 --> 00:29:02,711
While you were waiting, in the car,
491
00:29:02,712 --> 00:29:05,901
were you aware of what was taking
place in George Selway's flat?
492
00:29:07,772 --> 00:29:09,371
No.
493
00:29:10,772 --> 00:29:14,381
JUDGE: I suggest, given the very
obvious distress of the witness,
494
00:29:14,382 --> 00:29:16,541
we'll adjourn for a short break.
495
00:29:36,602 --> 00:29:39,651
Dr Carmichael, I have
no wish to distress you.
496
00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:42,511
But could I ask you a few more questions
497
00:29:42,512 --> 00:29:44,991
about the night you
claim you were attacked
498
00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,431
by the victim in this case?
499
00:29:47,432 --> 00:29:48,881
Of course.
500
00:29:50,152 --> 00:29:52,591
Now, earlier on that
day, the day of the party,
501
00:29:52,592 --> 00:29:55,731
- you were working at home?
- Yes, that's right.
502
00:29:55,732 --> 00:29:59,951
And then you got into your party
dress and took the Tube into town.
503
00:29:59,952 --> 00:30:02,291
- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
504
00:30:04,964 --> 00:30:09,601
Now, you've said you were at the
party with Mr Selway for some hours,
505
00:30:09,602 --> 00:30:11,901
drinking with him,
before you went with him
506
00:30:11,902 --> 00:30:14,711
up to his secluded
office on the fifth floor,
507
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:16,451
an area of the building you knew
508
00:30:16,452 --> 00:30:18,561
would be empty at that time of night.
509
00:30:18,562 --> 00:30:19,537
Well, as I said,
510
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:22,357
he mentioned something about getting
some papers from his office.
511
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,082
Yes. Just to establish,
512
00:30:24,085 --> 00:30:27,231
when you were drinking
and smoking with Mr Selway,
513
00:30:27,232 --> 00:30:30,331
you were, for a time,
seated together outside
514
00:30:30,334 --> 00:30:32,370
in a small courtyard in the
middle of the building?
515
00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:34,081
Yes. I wasn't smoking.
516
00:30:35,575 --> 00:30:37,594
You were keeping him company, then.
517
00:30:39,034 --> 00:30:41,811
When you were seated together outside,
518
00:30:41,812 --> 00:30:45,182
can you recall placing your
hand on Mr Selway's knee?
519
00:30:46,032 --> 00:30:47,120
No, I can't.
520
00:30:47,123 --> 00:30:49,282
Can you recall him placing
his hand on your knee?
521
00:30:54,282 --> 00:30:57,141
He may have done, yes.
522
00:30:57,142 --> 00:31:00,841
I think he did, just on
my knee, to steady himself.
523
00:31:02,532 --> 00:31:04,031
Er...
524
00:31:04,032 --> 00:31:08,061
We were all laughing, in a group.
525
00:31:08,062 --> 00:31:10,691
It wasn't just the two of us and...
526
00:31:10,692 --> 00:31:13,271
I was a bit unsteady
and so was he, and...
527
00:31:14,912 --> 00:31:17,911
I put my hand on his
knee, just to steady myself.
528
00:31:17,912 --> 00:31:19,781
So you put your hand on his knee?
529
00:31:23,217 --> 00:31:25,451
Or he did on mine. He...
530
00:31:25,452 --> 00:31:28,850
He was filling up my glass.
It could have been both.
531
00:31:30,142 --> 00:31:32,061
You were flirting, weren't you?
532
00:31:32,062 --> 00:31:34,311
No, I wouldn't say that.
533
00:31:34,312 --> 00:31:37,971
We were talking, joking,
in a group of people.
534
00:31:37,972 --> 00:31:40,171
Well, let's not get into
a detailed discussion
535
00:31:40,172 --> 00:31:43,501
on the definition of
flirting, Dr Carmichael.
536
00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:47,581
Did you, or did you not, tell
George Selway you were promiscuous?
537
00:31:47,582 --> 00:31:49,131
No! Absolutely not!
538
00:31:49,132 --> 00:31:51,663
- Well, you seem very certain about that.
- I am.
539
00:31:51,666 --> 00:31:55,321
And if anybody thinks they heard
me say that, they're mistaken.
540
00:31:55,322 --> 00:31:57,611
Or drunk. There was a lot of
drinking going on that night.
541
00:31:57,612 --> 00:31:59,771
Yes, I'm not talking about the party.
542
00:31:59,772 --> 00:32:02,441
Do you remember the occasion you
spent two days with George Selway,
543
00:32:02,442 --> 00:32:04,457
a month or so before he was killed?
544
00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:07,181
You're talking about when we interviewed
for the junior research fellowship.
545
00:32:07,182 --> 00:32:08,531
- Of course I remember.
- Good.
546
00:32:08,532 --> 00:32:11,391
Then you might also remember
telling George Selway,
547
00:32:11,392 --> 00:32:14,961
in front of a room full of
people, you were promiscuous.
548
00:32:16,362 --> 00:32:17,681
No.
549
00:32:18,752 --> 00:32:21,331
Absolutely not. I said no such thing.
550
00:32:21,332 --> 00:32:22,461
Really?
551
00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:26,771
Did you or did you not describe
yourself as "really easy"?
552
00:32:29,582 --> 00:32:32,021
- That's ridiculous!
- Oh, so you do remember?
553
00:32:32,022 --> 00:32:35,401
"I like to pretend I'm
classy, but I'm really easy."
554
00:32:35,402 --> 00:32:37,461
I... I was talking
about the coffee machine!
555
00:32:37,462 --> 00:32:38,961
He'd brought us some coffees.
556
00:32:38,962 --> 00:32:41,631
I'm not asking you for the context
of the comment, Dr Carmichael.
557
00:32:41,632 --> 00:32:43,651
I'm sure you were bantering
away with Mr Selway
558
00:32:43,652 --> 00:32:44,681
on all manner of subjects.
559
00:32:44,682 --> 00:32:47,021
Just please answer the
question, "really easy",
560
00:32:47,022 --> 00:32:49,881
- did you use that exact phrase?
- That is ludicrous.
561
00:32:49,882 --> 00:32:52,181
- You can take anything out of context.
- Yes or no?
562
00:32:52,182 --> 00:32:54,151
You're trying to create
a false impression
563
00:32:54,152 --> 00:32:56,261
- of the kind of relationship
that we had. - Yes or no?
564
00:32:56,262 --> 00:32:58,181
Not in the way that you mean!
565
00:33:08,888 --> 00:33:10,477
This is why...
566
00:33:11,737 --> 00:33:15,271
This is why I didn't want to bring
this to court in the first place.
567
00:33:25,608 --> 00:33:28,467
It's not the only reason,
is it, Dr Carmichael?
568
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:38,349
Why didn't you report the
alleged rape by George Selway?
569
00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:42,670
Often these cases are conducted as if...
570
00:33:42,671 --> 00:33:44,740
the victim has committed a crime.
571
00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:48,060
And I felt that I'd been through enough.
572
00:33:48,061 --> 00:33:49,470
Well, this isn't a rape trial.
573
00:33:49,471 --> 00:33:51,210
And you have been charged with a crime,
574
00:33:51,211 --> 00:33:53,170
the most serious crime there is.
575
00:33:53,171 --> 00:33:55,280
Now, forgive me, you
said it was eight years
576
00:33:55,281 --> 00:33:57,530
you worked for the Beaufort Institute.
577
00:33:57,531 --> 00:33:59,310
Erm...
578
00:33:59,311 --> 00:34:03,210
Full time, yes. And
more recently part time.
579
00:34:03,211 --> 00:34:04,420
Of course.
580
00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:07,940
And during those eight
years, you commuted every day?
581
00:34:07,941 --> 00:34:10,100
The Tube to St James's and then a walk?
582
00:34:11,271 --> 00:34:12,300
Yes.
583
00:34:13,431 --> 00:34:16,240
And lunch hours, coffee breaks,
584
00:34:16,241 --> 00:34:19,038
plenty of places to eat around there.
585
00:34:19,041 --> 00:34:22,290
- Pubs after work, so on.
- My Lord, really!
586
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:26,595
- Forgive me, my Lord, I am getting there.
- Then do, please, Ms Bonnard.
587
00:34:28,101 --> 00:34:30,680
Dr Carmichael, in your
professional capacity,
588
00:34:30,681 --> 00:34:33,860
you have been working in or
visiting the Borough of Westminster
589
00:34:33,861 --> 00:34:36,400
for, what, around 12 years? Longer?
590
00:34:36,401 --> 00:34:37,990
Erm...
591
00:34:37,991 --> 00:34:39,300
longer, probably.
592
00:34:39,301 --> 00:34:43,520
So it's fair to say you are
very familiar with the area.
593
00:34:43,521 --> 00:34:47,550
What with all the commuting
and lunch hours, walking, so on?
594
00:34:49,051 --> 00:34:50,460
It...
595
00:34:50,461 --> 00:34:51,870
Yes.
596
00:34:53,411 --> 00:34:55,150
You know it intimately...
597
00:34:57,161 --> 00:34:59,040
this little corner of St James.
598
00:35:00,491 --> 00:35:02,600
The highways and byways.
599
00:35:03,911 --> 00:35:05,510
The shops and cafes.
600
00:35:10,381 --> 00:35:12,160
The side streets.
601
00:35:12,161 --> 00:35:14,277
The back alleyways.
602
00:35:25,818 --> 00:35:29,517
You're familiar, Dr Carmichael...
603
00:35:29,518 --> 00:35:32,887
with a small alleyway
called Apple Tree Yard?
604
00:35:46,158 --> 00:35:48,077
Apple Tree Yard...
605
00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:53,097
is the alleyway in the
Borough of Westminster,
606
00:35:53,098 --> 00:35:55,537
St James to be precise,
607
00:35:55,538 --> 00:35:59,657
where you had intercourse
with your lover, Mark Costley,
608
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,107
in a public street,
609
00:36:01,108 --> 00:36:04,907
quite quickly, I imagine, during
rush hour, standing up in a doorway.
610
00:36:04,908 --> 00:36:07,347
Isn't that the case, Dr Carmichael?
611
00:36:16,438 --> 00:36:17,897
It...
612
00:36:20,098 --> 00:36:21,227
It wasn't rush hour.
613
00:36:22,818 --> 00:36:25,627
Well, I apologise for any
inaccuracy as to timings,
614
00:36:25,628 --> 00:36:29,007
but you will forgive me for
doubting the absolute credibility
615
00:36:29,008 --> 00:36:31,487
of any account you're
willing to give this court.
616
00:36:31,488 --> 00:36:34,867
You know, you are facing
a charge of murder.
617
00:36:34,868 --> 00:36:37,727
Don't you think it's time
you started telling the truth?
618
00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:39,647
You've lied, haven't you?
619
00:36:40,868 --> 00:36:43,297
You have lied to your husband
620
00:36:43,298 --> 00:36:44,897
and you've lied to the police
621
00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:47,897
and you have lied to this
court! Well, haven't you?
622
00:36:57,228 --> 00:36:58,587
Yes.
623
00:37:02,148 --> 00:37:03,737
I beg your pardon?
624
00:37:05,618 --> 00:37:07,117
Yes.
625
00:37:14,428 --> 00:37:18,087
Did you ask my client
to kill George Selway?
626
00:37:18,088 --> 00:37:19,347
No.
627
00:37:19,348 --> 00:37:22,347
- Are you telling the truth?
- Yes!
628
00:37:22,348 --> 00:37:24,927
Did you tell him you
were raped, Dr Carmichael?
629
00:37:24,928 --> 00:37:26,477
Isaid... Yes.
630
00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:28,677
- And were you raped? Is
that the truth? - Yes! Yes!
631
00:37:28,678 --> 00:37:30,037
Yes!
632
00:37:55,225 --> 00:37:57,994
As you went to the party that night...
633
00:38:00,468 --> 00:38:03,647
after you had had sex with my client...
634
00:38:10,168 --> 00:38:12,047
were you wearing underwear?
635
00:38:36,418 --> 00:38:39,087
Please, at least tell
me that the sex was good.
636
00:38:48,798 --> 00:38:49,777
Why?
637
00:38:51,252 --> 00:38:53,041
Why with someone like that?
638
00:38:54,238 --> 00:38:58,007
He didn't seem... the way
he sounds in court. He...
639
00:38:58,688 --> 00:39:00,417
He made me feel...
640
00:39:01,918 --> 00:39:06,377
- Gary wants to talk to you so much
- I can't.... I can't.
641
00:39:06,378 --> 00:39:08,907
No. No, it wouldjust finish me off.
642
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:11,749
Think about it.
643
00:39:12,888 --> 00:39:15,237
Isn't it going to do
more damage this way?
644
00:39:15,238 --> 00:39:19,357
Damage? Suse, the damage is done.
645
00:39:19,358 --> 00:39:21,747
You saw the jury's faces.
I'm going to prison.
646
00:39:21,748 --> 00:39:23,717
- You don't know that.
- Yes, I do.
647
00:39:23,718 --> 00:39:25,877
- The trial isn't over yet.
- Yes, it is. It is.
648
00:39:25,878 --> 00:39:27,327
It is for me.
649
00:39:33,122 --> 00:39:36,361
You know, the one thing that Gary's
always said that he couldn't bear...
650
00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:38,627
is humiliation.
651
00:39:38,628 --> 00:39:39,607
Didn't you think?
652
00:39:41,438 --> 00:39:42,847
What?
653
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,397
[SHE SIGHS]
654
00:39:44,398 --> 00:39:48,590
If you were having this thing
with Mark Costley, then...
655
00:39:49,738 --> 00:39:53,257
surely your marriage was over anyway?
656
00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:56,107
Do you really think that
it's that cut and dried?
657
00:39:56,108 --> 00:39:58,737
God, Suse, I'd expect that from
Carrie, but you, of all people...
658
00:39:58,738 --> 00:40:00,797
I am trying to understand.
659
00:40:00,798 --> 00:40:04,597
You should know that a marriage is
not what it seems from the outside.
660
00:40:05,718 --> 00:40:09,007
What, Jay? Well, Jay's a
bit different from Gary.
661
00:40:09,008 --> 00:40:11,627
Well, you've always held Gary
up as some kind of shining star.
662
00:40:11,628 --> 00:40:13,507
Because he is a good man!
663
00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:23,867
Yes, he is.
664
00:40:25,318 --> 00:40:26,397
Of course he is.
665
00:40:36,198 --> 00:40:37,787
When I started my degree...
666
00:40:39,808 --> 00:40:42,657
I was going to dedicate
my life to science.
667
00:40:44,868 --> 00:40:46,367
And then...
668
00:40:47,538 --> 00:40:51,057
the first week of the
first term, there he was.
669
00:40:51,058 --> 00:40:53,019
So specific.
670
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:56,959
There, in the lab...
671
00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:01,369
being so bloody
certain about everything.
672
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:05,019
With his shirt tucked in.
673
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:08,209
And his thousand-yard stare.
674
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,519
30 years, nearly.
675
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:18,429
Don't you think that's
worth fighting for?
676
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,819
Ladies and gentlemen,
677
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,169
the dramatic revelations
of the last days
678
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:08,119
have served only to strengthen
the prosecution's case,
679
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,169
that it is beyond reasonable doubt
680
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:13,889
that Mark Costley and Yvonne
Carmichael are both guilty
681
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:15,949
of the murder of George Selway.
682
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:19,039
Whose idea was it to drive
to Selway's flat that day?
683
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:23,779
Yvonne Carmichael has
admitted it was her idea.
684
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:25,749
Tragically...
685
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:29,309
Mr Costley's already marked
tendencies as a fantasist
686
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:31,749
and his inability to tell the difference
687
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:34,839
between reality and a
story of his own invention
688
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,169
found its flashpoint at
that unbearable moment
689
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:41,829
when he confronted the man he
believed to have raped his lover.
690
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,339
Yvonne Carmichael had suffered
a brutal and degrading rape
691
00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:49,889
at the hands of George Selway,
692
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:55,419
who then added to this quite
devastating trauma by stalking her.
693
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:57,859
She just wanted it to stop.
694
00:42:57,860 --> 00:43:00,809
There is no evidence
that she wanted him dead.
695
00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:03,859
There's no evidence
that she asked for it.
696
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:06,059
Mark Costley was in his own world
697
00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:08,359
when he entered George Selway's flat,
698
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,329
on a mission of his own making.
699
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:13,519
It comes down to this...
700
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,049
Does having an affair with Mark Costley,
701
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,549
keeping it secret,
702
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:21,717
make Dr Carmichael a murderer?
703
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,169
Not...
704
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:26,219
does it make her
unsavoury, inappropriate?
705
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:28,852
Your private judgment
is your own concern.
706
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:34,139
Does it make her... a murderer?
707
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,469
It's time.
708
00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:55,889
[DOOR BUZZER SOUNDS]
709
00:44:01,570 --> 00:44:04,569
YVONNE: Courts aren't about the truth.
710
00:44:04,570 --> 00:44:06,769
They're about who tells the best story.
711
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:14,499
You know all about that.
712
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:16,329
You're the expert.
713
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,689
You caught me so easily.
714
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:29,739
But then, I think now...
715
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:31,659
I was waiting to be caught.
716
00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:59,369
Madam Foreperson,
717
00:44:59,370 --> 00:45:03,449
has the jury reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
718
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:04,849
Yes.
719
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:08,039
Would the defendants please stand?
720
00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:17,699
Do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
721
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:22,239
guilty or not guilty of
the murder of George Selway?
722
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:26,039
We find the defendant not guilty.
723
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,489
Do you find the defendant
Yvonne Carmichael
724
00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:37,669
guilty or not guilty of
the murder of George Selway?
725
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Not guilty.
726
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,139
Upon count two of this indictment,
727
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:50,279
do you find the defendant
Mark Liam Costley
728
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,369
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
729
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,899
Guilty.
730
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,039
Do you find the defendant
Yvonne Carmichael
731
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,339
guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
732
00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:11,039
We find the defendant...
733
00:46:18,144 --> 00:46:19,833
not guilty.
734
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:19,669
Congratulations.
735
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:26,239
YVONNE: Dear X...
736
00:48:27,584 --> 00:48:28,803
Dear Mark...
737
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:34,119
with good behaviour and the
all clear from your psychiatrist,
738
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,129
you'll be free in five years.
739
00:48:41,523 --> 00:48:44,102
They found me guilty of perjury.
740
00:48:44,105 --> 00:48:45,744
Suspended sentence.
741
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,049
Sounds about right, "suspended."
742
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,239
Hanging above me,
743
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,959
a sword that could fall
on my neck at any time.
744
00:48:56,858 --> 00:48:58,819
And of course...
745
00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:01,259
my good behaviour has
to last a lifetime.
746
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:21,229
When do you think Carrie
will be ready to see me?
747
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:25,399
I think that's best discussed
between you and her, don't you?
748
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,389
You can do no wrong in
her eyes, you know that.
749
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,889
Yeah, well, we're all on a
learning curve, aren't we?
750
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:35,149
Gary...
751
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:38,479
Does she know about you and Rosa?
752
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:43,119
There's nothing to tell any
more, is there? So, no point.
753
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,119
Surely it's only fair that
she knows something about...
754
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,069
what was going on with you and us?
755
00:49:49,070 --> 00:49:51,229
Oh, you really want to go there, do you?
756
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,759
Jesus Christ...
757
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,729
Fairness?
758
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:57,609
Transparency?
759
00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:02,759
There were so many
opportunities to tell me.
760
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,729
So many points.
761
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,729
The rape.
762
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,219
Him.
763
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,259
I would have understood.
I know you would.
764
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:18,229
So why? Because you had to win,
765
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:20,719
you had to be the best at
everything, even marriage?
766
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,399
Could you just not bear the thought
767
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,889
of not having something to
hold against me for once?
768
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:27,369
That we both might have
fucked up, even-stevens?
769
00:50:27,370 --> 00:50:29,759
- Is that what you think?
- Yes, that's what I think!
770
00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:34,919
I think you think I've been the bad one.
771
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,609
That's how it's worked!
772
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,749
I'm sorry.
773
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:06,189
Iam.
774
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:12,329
And I'll say it every day,
for as long as it takes.
775
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:37,969
[DRILLING]
776
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:09,057
Thank you for agreeing to see me.
777
00:52:16,698 --> 00:52:18,477
Yvonne...
778
00:52:18,478 --> 00:52:20,357
in court...
779
00:52:20,358 --> 00:52:21,997
when I, erm...
780
00:52:23,218 --> 00:52:25,557
I told my barrister about us...
781
00:52:27,388 --> 00:52:30,247
she just twisted everything.
782
00:52:32,398 --> 00:52:33,297
I'm so sorry.
783
00:52:37,798 --> 00:52:39,667
I think I understand.
784
00:52:41,358 --> 00:52:42,857
You panicked.
785
00:52:45,454 --> 00:52:48,123
Is... that what happened with George?
786
00:52:50,118 --> 00:52:51,907
I know you didn't mean to kill him.
787
00:52:51,908 --> 00:52:54,857
You wouldn't have let me
drive you to his house...
788
00:52:57,298 --> 00:52:58,837
if you'd meant to kill him.
789
00:52:58,838 --> 00:53:00,477
Ijust wanted to teach him a lesson.
790
00:53:01,658 --> 00:53:03,017
For you.
791
00:53:05,308 --> 00:53:07,047
I wanted you to feel safe.
792
00:53:16,888 --> 00:53:18,487
I lied to you.
793
00:53:25,558 --> 00:53:28,987
Brilliant geneticist, one of the
country's leading scientists...
794
00:53:28,988 --> 00:53:30,107
I'm not.
795
00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:35,217
I haven't produced an original
piece of work for years.
796
00:53:37,328 --> 00:53:39,487
I was never anybody important.
797
00:53:44,044 --> 00:53:46,343
You made me feel important.
798
00:53:50,218 --> 00:53:52,657
I don't know what you want me to say.
799
00:53:54,298 --> 00:53:55,937
I'm sorry.
800
00:53:58,848 --> 00:54:00,397
Mark...
801
00:54:02,788 --> 00:54:04,607
[SHE SIGHS HEAVILY]
802
00:54:06,208 --> 00:54:07,937
The feelings...
803
00:54:09,438 --> 00:54:11,217
they were real.
804
00:54:12,538 --> 00:54:14,787
Mine were, at least.
805
00:54:14,788 --> 00:54:16,607
And mine, too.
806
00:54:18,868 --> 00:54:21,437
That's why I told her about us.
807
00:54:21,438 --> 00:54:23,507
Because how else would anyone know?
808
00:54:26,318 --> 00:54:27,577
How would they know?
809
00:54:31,148 --> 00:54:33,767
That it had been... real.
810
00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:44,407
It was just everything else that wasn't.
811
00:54:57,868 --> 00:55:01,987
YVONNE: If relationships are stories,
812
00:55:01,988 --> 00:55:04,055
there is no happy ending for ours.
813
00:55:06,118 --> 00:55:10,489
But life, as they say, goes on.
814
00:55:22,528 --> 00:55:25,007
[BABY GURGLES]
815
00:55:50,178 --> 00:55:52,007
MARK: Yvonne...
816
00:55:58,108 --> 00:55:59,837
What you said to me in the flat...
817
00:56:02,368 --> 00:56:03,397
The safe house.
818
00:56:05,468 --> 00:56:07,057
I never told them.
819
00:56:10,948 --> 00:56:12,217
I didn't.
820
00:56:21,118 --> 00:56:23,277
So what do you want?
821
00:56:25,298 --> 00:56:27,217
I want you to kill him.
822
00:56:27,218 --> 00:56:29,507
[SHE LAUGHS]
823
00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:34,539
I want you to smash his fucking face in.
824
00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:49,767
People can say anything.
825
00:56:58,488 --> 00:57:01,157
You really can't tell
the difference, can you?
826
00:57:16,228 --> 00:57:23,330
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