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You can fix code.
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You can't fix people.
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I always like to say
that the weakest part of any system
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is the people that put it together.
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Fifteen years ago,
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we were just dumbass kids
having a good time
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sharing jokes and memes on the internet.
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{\an8}Do we even know?
Who is this 4chan person or website?
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4chan.org
is a collaborative community
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known for posting these on the net. Tom?
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- What are photographs?
- Yes.
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We were using subversive humor
to make fun of the world.
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Their name comes
from their secret website.
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Not understanding
that the jokes we made
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would turn into conspiracy theories.
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And next thing you know,
the entire world
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turned into this disinformation-pumping
gigantic chanosphere.
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Conspiracy theories
saturate the internet.
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This misinformation
has reshaped our society.
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{\an8}We started something and
never intended for it to end up this way.
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USA!
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And now I'm just trying to
clean up what I see as my old mistakes.
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I was about ten years old
when I first got into computers.
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{\an8}I would start playing sick at home
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{\an8}to get out of school.
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The only phone line in the house
was in the living room,
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but my computer was upstairs.
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I would take one of my parent's checks,
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open up an AOL account,
and go online on AOL all day.
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And then an hour before my mom and dad
were gonna be coming home from work,
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I would get on the phone
with AOL to cancel the account.
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I felt like
the coolest criminal child in the world.
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I think I was 12
when we first got the internet.
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{\an8}I definitely was super curious,
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{\an8}looking up stuff
I probably should not have been.
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I specifically remember one instance,
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my stepdad approached me
after dinner one night.
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He's like, "Why did you look up sex.com?"
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And I got in so much trouble.
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I wasn't allowed online
for like a week after that.
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{\an8}From my perspective, as a kid, you know,
there was always just internet.
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Chat rooms, forums, bulletin boards.
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Having an online persona
as a way to get outside myself.
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Kirtaner is loud, brash,
take-no-prisoners.
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It was an inverse
of how I was in real life.
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I didn't understand that
I had anxiety, but I knew that I felt
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strange being in groups of people.
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So, the internet became a place for me to
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be comfortable.
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I would just go online,
see what other people were talking about,
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attempt to join in.
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There was this whole other world
of people that I could talk to.
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I would talk to people
about video games, anime.
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At the time, Japanese anime
was blowing up in a big way.
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American children's entertainment,
it's pretty lame for the most part.
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The Japanese stuff was just cooler than
all the other stuff on TV at the time.
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Power Rangers!
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Throughout the '90s,
it felt like Japanese culture
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was taking over the world.
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I'd always wanted to live in Japan.
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{\an8}To us Gen-Xers,
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{\an8}Japan was the place that made all the cool
stuff that we so desperately wanted.
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In the '90s and early 2000s,
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Japan was a Petri dish for all sorts
of technological innovations.
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Most Japanese accessed
the internet not off of PCs,
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but on cell phones,
which had really limited bandwidth.
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It starts to create strange new systems
for communication, like the emoji.
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And 2channel
was yet another example of this.
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2channel is an anonymous
bulletin board system.
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Being totally anonymous gave young people
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the opportunity to vent
their thoughts and opinions
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without fear of being judged for it.
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It was pretty primitive looking,
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but, you know, connecting people,
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being able to find your tribe,
it was absolutely revolutionary.
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And it was
instantly popular with otaku.
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Otaku are adults who had no interest
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in any of the traditional trappings
of adulthood.
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2channel let them
dive deeper into their fantasy lives.
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The visual aspect also made it
a lot easier for Westerners to access.
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One of them was a mysterious figure
who went by the handle "moot."
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He downloaded
a copy of 2chan's software
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and then he launched it
under the name 4chan.
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4chan.net,
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an English version of 2chan.net.
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First time I saw 4chan
was the first day it was online.
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If I'm remembering correctly.
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It was like a hodgepodge
of anything you could think of.
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{\an8}Things that you would not see
anywhere else online except for there.
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There was definitely a lot
of stuff that was... super edgy.
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To my young brain...
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...it was really cool.
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You could say whatever you want
and it was not associated with you.
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Nobody knew who you were,
you were anonymous.
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{\an8}Being able to post things anonymously,
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{\an8}with an image, didn't exist
anywhere else on the internet.
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During the summer of 2004,
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a friend hits me up and is like,
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"Hey, do you want to
come on as a programmer?"
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And I'm like, "Okay."
I like programming. So, why not?
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Moot was very mysterious.
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No one knew what he looked like.
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No one knew his real name,
or where he lived.
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But he created something we all wanted.
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Like, this is what the internet should be.
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You can communicate with anyone all over
the world, in any way you want.
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It was a glorious time,
those early first few years.
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Like, we ate, breathed, slept that shit.
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We formed our own language, our own lingo.
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Most of it, not exactly culturally
acceptable in this day and age.
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{\an8}Ey.
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{\an8}4chan loved making these inside jokes
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{\an8}that people outside
the community wouldn't get.
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{\an8}"For the Lulz" was a term.
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"The lulz" is a bastardization
of "laugh out loud."
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You would make a funny meme,
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post it, you refresh,
all of a sudden, you've got 100 replies.
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Everybody's laughing,
joking, modifying it.
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You've got that dopamine rush.
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You just wanted another hit,
another taste.
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Viral imagery blasting in your eyeballs.
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You didn't want the party to stop.
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The site worked in this Darwinian way,
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{\an8}where the most interesting posts,
the posts that got the most replies,
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{\an8}would be bumped to the top of the site,
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and all the other ones
would fall away and die.
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{\an8}The game was
to post something interesting,
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that was funny,
that people would reply to,
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that would essentially survive
on the site more than a second.
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You're constantly getting
new content, and it just keeps you hooked.
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That was the beginning of the format
of what became social media nowadays,
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what they call the endless scroll.
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We were just watching
this thing grow and evolve
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and slowly take over all of our minds.
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What the 4chan users didn't know
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was that 2channel's effect
on Japanese society was profound.
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2channel spawned
all sorts of extreme behavior.
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Like the Neomugicha incident,
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where a kid who had been egged on
by 2channel users
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hijacked a city bus,
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and he actually killed
one of the passengers with a knife.
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It sparked a whole lot of debate
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about the impact of having
a totally anonymous website.
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Undoubtedly,
the internet is a hotbed of crimes.
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People are posting irresponsible comments
because it's anonymous.
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The things
that we saw happening in Japan
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were about to come to the West,
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but we just didn't know it
yet at the time.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, otaku of all ages,
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welcome to the 2005 Otakon show.
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Otakon is an anime convention
that started in Baltimore.
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At the time, it was one
of the largest in the country,
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and where the very first
official 4chan panel happened.
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Going from spending so much time on 4chan
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to being in a physical space with
thousands of people was pretty surreal.
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Growing up, I lived a very sheltered life.
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{\an8}I was bullied in grade school,
my parents weren't supportive,
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{\an8}no one cared about what I was
interested in and what I was into.
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{\an8}And I'm just like, I gotta
find some way of dealing with this.
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And so, going into the anime scene
was kind of an escape for me.
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I can drop the pretense. I don't have
to pretend. I can be who I am.
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And I actually did
this whole comedy skit,
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but as soon as it was over,
walked all the way downstairs,
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and I sat in the front row
of the first 4chan panel in 2005.
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This will be
on BitTorrent tomorrow.
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Up at the front of the room
you have the 4chan guys,
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who are giving this
PowerPoint presentation, or trying to...
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about this new website that they'd made.
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Despite everyone
being completely anonymous,
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it felt like there were these people
that were kind of celebrities.
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It was funny because we hadn't
even posted our photos before,
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no one knew what we looked like.
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{\an8}People didn't really think
moot was actually a person.
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Come up here.
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Moot is in this room,
and he's coming up on stage right now.
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Oh my God!
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That's not moot.
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Bullshit.
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Hi. I'm known as moot.
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Moot was this teenage boy wearing
a blue Polo shirt, with chubby cheeks,
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and a New York Yankees hat.
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I don't know what I was expecting,
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but moot definitely wasn't
what anyone was expecting.
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There was a little bit
of a celebrity to it, you know?
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This was moot, the guy who created 4chan.
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And then we browsed over three million
pages a day, and that's a lot of porn.
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Elsewhere...
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I think the most exciting thing
about doing a panel with our users
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was realizing that this is bigger
than we thought it was.
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Wrong way!
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You can see thousands of posts
per day from all over the world,
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but not realize
how you are affecting these people.
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We weren't really seeing ourselves
as anything special.
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We were just a bunch of kids having fun
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{\an8}that somehow made something
that was bigger than us.
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4chan establishes itself
as this goofy, creative place,
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and these jokes they're creating,
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they start to make
their way outside of 4chan.
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An early popular meme was linked to
something someone really wanted to see.
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And instead, it would link to Rick Astley
singing "Never Gonna Give You Up."
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People got "Rickrolled."
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A friend sends you a link,
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but when you click on the link,
up pops this instead.
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You've been Rickrolled.
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We were
essentially trolling people.
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Trolling is like performance art.
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The idea is to digitally pants someone
and have everyone point and laugh.
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At least, that's the fun spirit of it.
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So, they got together and wanted
to do these collective pranks,
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and they would all say,
"Let's go mess with this person."
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"Let's go and ruin other websites."
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Habbo Hotel was
an online browser-based game.
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It was a chatroom essentially,
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but you could go
to different virtual spaces.
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There was a rumor that Habbo Hotel
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was removing users
who were using Black avatars.
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The 4chan users decided,
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hey, we're going to create
Black characters with Afros and suits,
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and we're going to go en masse
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onto Habbo Hotel
and just block access to entire areas.
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We were blocking
the entrances to the pool.
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The infamous phrase
"Pool is closed due to AIDS."
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Other hijinks. We would take all of
our characters and form a swastika.
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Yeah, I know. We were dumb kids.
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Maybe, looking back on it,
it probably was not as innocent as
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people catching onto it
might have assumed,
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but it didn't feel like that.
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It felt like people
were just being stupid.
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But then it did start to shift to people
actually, like, trolling in real life.
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My six-year-old and eight-year-old
half-Black grandchildren
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are not welcome in my subdivision's pool.
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Some try to explain it away
as part of an internet phenomenon,
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and those who don't know of it
are left out of the joke.
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Didn't feel inherently mean.
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It just felt like, okay,
everyone's doing this. This is funny.
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A joke is when two people laugh.
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I'm not laughing.
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During our interview,
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Altorfer learned
of a second flyer at the pool.
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It's a picture of me with an afro?
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{\an8}And I tell myself it's just a bunch
of racist, homophobic geeks.
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{\an8}People started recreating
Habbo Hotel in person
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and this culture spawned out of it.
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We were growing up online together,
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figuring things out.
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We didn't know necessarily
what was right or wrong.
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{\an8}We didn't know what kind
of culture we were building.
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{\an8}We weren't really aware of those things,
but we were building them.
249
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And that became a problem
for the people who ran 4chan.
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So moot banned raids.
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{\an8}We were all having
so much fun, and
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it got clamped down on really quickly.
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And we weren't having any of that.
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I think the Otakon meetup
really inspired moot
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to try and make 4chan
more of a social thing,
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like Facebook or something,
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than like the anonymous culture
that he began with.
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I disagreed,
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we argued about it, and then I did have
my server access removed by moot.
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That was that. I was gone.
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Moot ain't the boss of us.
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We want to do what we want,
and we're going to have some fun.
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And in that moment
an identity started to form.
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We all collectively started
referring to ourselves,
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and our merry band of chaos-stirrers...
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Anonymous.
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It coalesced into an identity, ironically.
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You know, you think "anonymous,"
you don't think of an identity,
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but an identity formed
around this one single word.
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Ah-ahh.
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Habbo Hotel showed
that you could enact retribution
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towards someone or something
that we felt deserved it.
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And this obviously attracted people
that wanted to join in the fun and chaos.
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The big breakout raid.
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There was a neo-Nazi radio show host.
His name was Hal Turner.
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{\an8}Welcome to The Hal Turner Show.
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{\an8}For some reason or another,
all these lower cultures and lower races
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{\an8}are more important.
And I find that disgusting.
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{\an8}He made himself a target
just by being who he is.
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He had a phone number you could call.
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{\an8}Where you calling from?
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We did a lot of prank calls...
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Thomas, you're on air.
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Well, I was born
and raised in West Philadelphia,
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- played b-ball outside the school and all.
- Right.
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Just one little fight
and my mom got scared,
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sent me to live with some
relatives down in Bel-Air.
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And he's out
of here too! Another asshole.
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...and drove him into an absolute frenzy.
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"Hal Turner was right.
I should've paid attention,
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but I was too busy being
a fucking moron on the radio!"
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Hal Turner Show.
Who are you? Where you calling from?
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He would always react and escalate things.
294
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You sit there
like a stupid motherfucking asshole...
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I don't want to imply that all the people
that were trolling Hal Turner
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{\an8}were anti-racists.
297
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{\an8}A lot of them
just wanted to fuck with people.
298
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We trolled him mercilessly for months.
299
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- Hello, this is Kirt. I run 420chan.
- You've had a lot of fun with me.
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We kept
his show offline for 10 weeks.
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You are not going
to kick me off my own server.
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We hacked into his email account, found
emails between him and his FBI handler,
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outed him as an informant.
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He got ostracized from
the white supremacist community,
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his wife filed for divorce...
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...and in the end
he was the one that went to jail.
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I'm in Essex County jail.
Internet tough guy and all,
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{\an8}but I got to tell you,
I am not cut out for where I am.
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If something drew the ire of Anonymous,
it suffered.
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A lot of times when
you do something groundbreaking,
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you only know it was groundbreaking
when you look back at it.
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But while you're doing it,
it's just the thing that's happening.
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During the Hal Turner raids,
I did some of the phone calls.
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The content of them,
I'm not proud of anymore,
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{\an8}but at the end of the raid,
you look back, and you start questioning.
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{\an8}We put a white nationalist in jail.
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Well, that was a good thing.
What... What else can we do?
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{\an8}So, they looked for someone
they can test their strength against,
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{\an8}and they settle
on the Church of Scientology.
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Scientology
was a relatively new religion.
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It was started by a science fiction
author, L. Ron Hubbard.
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And they used celebrities to make
the church into a global powerhouse.
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There was an internal
Church of Scientology video
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that leaked to the internet
of Tom Cruise being over-the-top.
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There is a worldwide arena
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where the game is played
for the fate of whole populations,
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but there's someone advancing
Scientology on a fully epic scale.
328
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{\an8}He is IAS
Freedom Medal of Valor winner Tom Cruise!
329
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There's nothing part of the way for me.
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It's just...
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Watching this video,
it's hilarious how crazy he sounds.
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It was supposed to only exist in a way
where it gets shown to Scientologists.
333
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So, it's internal,
and they do not want the world to see it.
334
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And then, all of a sudden,
335
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the Church of Scientology
got it removed from all over the internet.
336
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Oh, they're trying to control
the flow of information on the internet?
337
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Oh, we can't have that.
338
00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:33,060
But Scientology
was not an easy target.
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Back in, I believe, 1991,
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they sued Time magazine for a article
that was titled "Cult of Greed."
341
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And so most media were not
talking about Scientology,
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no matter what Scientology did wrong.
343
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There were rumors
of people leaving the church
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who were then being harassed,
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or mysteriously committing suicide.
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Secrecy surrounded Scientology.
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So, what if we, as a group,
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could make this so outlandish
and so large of a thing
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that the media would have
no choice but to cover it?
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That would be a win.
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So, we uploaded
the message onto YouTube,
352
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and went to sleep not expecting
it to do too terribly much.
353
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{\an8}I wake up the next morning
to a phone call from my girlfriend,
354
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{\an8}and she's like, "It's on CNN."
355
00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:49,094
{\an8}So, I turn on the damn TV, and they play
the video twice while I'm watching.
356
00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,577
{\an8}We are Anonymous. We are legion.
357
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{\an8}We do not forgive. We do not forget.
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Suddenly, everyone online
was expecting direction.
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We came up with
the name Operation Chanology.
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The idea was, they've got buildings
in every major city on this planet,
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hundreds of them, so what would
the internet look like if it went outside?
362
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,911
But we also needed
an image that sticks with people.
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This goddamn guy.
364
00:24:19,332 --> 00:24:22,419
V for Vendetta
was a hot film at the time.
365
00:24:22,502 --> 00:24:23,795
These masks were everywhere.
366
00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:26,465
The aesthetic that was defined
by the Habbo Hotel raids,
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the suit and the tie, and the afro,
368
00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:32,721
then melded with the Guy Fawkes mask.
369
00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:40,562
We assumed that worldwide
200 people would show up outside.
370
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,858
We start watching Sydney,
the first city to go live.
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00:24:44,941 --> 00:24:48,570
And within an hour,
there's 200 people on the ground there.
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{\an8}Then Perth and Adelaide and Melbourne,
and all them start going.
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We thought, 'cause they were smaller than
Sydney, we would end up with 20 people.
374
00:24:56,244 --> 00:24:57,662
No, they all get hundreds.
375
00:24:57,746 --> 00:25:02,709
{\an8}By the time we get to Germany,
we're up over like 4,000 people.
376
00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,878
So, we're just losing our minds.
377
00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:08,215
We're here with a protester.
He's known as...
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Anonymous.
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A web-based group called Anonymous
has been picketing and protesting
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in front of the Church of Scientology
in Boston and elsewhere.
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The virtual protest came
to life in cities around the world.
382
00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:22,771
And today, dozens of those people
put on masks in downtown Toronto
383
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:24,147
in an unusual standoff.
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{\an8}Their goal is to shut down what they call
a cult of misinformation and greed.
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00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:33,031
We are Anonymous.
We are legion. Expect us!
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00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:35,534
Expect us!
387
00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,703
By the end of the day, we're
counting somewhere near 10,000 people
388
00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:40,956
have shown up worldwide to our protests.
389
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,666
♪ Never gonna give you up ♪
390
00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:45,085
{\an8}♪ Never gonna let you down ♪
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Anonymous was,
from that point forward,
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a globally recognized force for good.
393
00:25:56,471 --> 00:25:57,639
{\an8}That's absurd, right?
394
00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:01,560
Like, this weird anime website
that kind of morphs into this other thing
395
00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,563
decided to have a semi-ironic street
protest against, like,
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00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:07,440
a celebrity science-fiction cult.
397
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:15,824
{\an8}Chanology really showed
an entire generation of people that
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you could organize something anonymously
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that would have a real-world effect.
400
00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:24,374
Putting forward an idea online,
401
00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:27,294
having it manifest in the world,
402
00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:29,796
it's a powerful feeling.
403
00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:32,215
You start to enjoy the feeling
404
00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,885
of inflicting that pain
that you feel on others.
405
00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:39,514
It's a way to escape it,
to take control of it.
406
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,267
It's ultimately harmful to everyone.
407
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:46,187
Things started out very centralized,
408
00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:47,939
and then after Chanology
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00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:52,277
it became a formless, shapeless beast.
410
00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:56,615
For a while, in the invasion community,
411
00:26:56,698 --> 00:27:01,578
I was perhaps one of the only voices who
would chime in every now and then and go...
412
00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:10,321
We were just trying
to have fun, have our kicks.
413
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:14,215
All these rah-rah good guys and stuff.
No, we are not good fucking people.
414
00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,343
We are goddamn monsters...
415
00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:24,643
So, at the same time that they're
doing these very earnest protests,
416
00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:28,188
they're still spinning these
crazy nihilistic pranks on the world.
417
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,273
They post on Oprah's message board.
418
00:27:30,357 --> 00:27:33,193
Let me read you something
that was posted on our message boards
419
00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:36,613
from someone who claims to be a member
of a known pedophile network.
420
00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:40,575
Oprah reads that to her entire audience
of seven million moms.
421
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,202
He doesn't forgive.
422
00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:43,161
He does not forget.
423
00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:47,540
His group has over 9,000 penises,
and they're all raping children.
424
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,334
It's grotesque, right?
425
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,046
People were
just being shitty, being mean,
426
00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:54,756
just for the fun of it,
427
00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:59,010
and trying to take it to its limits.
428
00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:01,638
I will readily admit
I was one of those people.
429
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:05,809
{\an8}It's just jokes.
It's just edgy, subversive humor.
430
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,897
If you were in on the joke,
you were just laughing your ass off.
431
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,361
So, Anonymous really kind
of splits in these two directions.
432
00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:19,614
Half the group goes off
and becomes genuine activists,
433
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,491
and the irony melts away there.
434
00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:26,287
And there's a section of Anonymous
that wants to be trolls still.
435
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,292
- Ooh.
- ♪ Give you up ♪
436
00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,212
Otakon felt so different.
437
00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,506
The community was so much bigger.
438
00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:40,176
- The best day of my life.
- Look at all these costumes.
439
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:46,516
Instead of anime characters, you
had people dressed up as memes from 4chan.
440
00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:49,477
4chan's where it's at, man.
441
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,938
Fuck you!
442
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,941
I was asked to host a panel.
443
00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:58,695
I'm friends with moot.
I just was folded into the entourage.
444
00:28:58,778 --> 00:29:01,656
- Any last words?
- We're gonna have a great time today.
445
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,909
- All right, we'll take another question.
- Hi, come on up here.
446
00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,329
I'm looking around, and I'm like,
yeah, these are my people,
447
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,665
but there's something wrong with this.
448
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:15,003
Aw!
449
00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:22,343
Kids literally started throwing
Sig Heils, like, in real life.
450
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:25,096
For the most part,
we just kind of brushed it off.
451
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,389
These are the few.
452
00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:29,100
Maybe, they don't necessarily represent
all of us.
453
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:35,899
People felt more comfortable doing
or saying stuff than they had previously.
454
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,487
Saying racially charged things,
just incredibly offensive stuff.
455
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,947
Because they feel comfortable
with their little group,
456
00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,033
they feel like
maybe there's no consequence.
457
00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:49,162
If I could go back in time,
and if you had told me that,
458
00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:51,331
"You're walking through
this anime convention,
459
00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:54,334
and this is a pivot point
upon which history will turn."
460
00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:58,922
Now, looking back at it,
it feels like a premonition.
461
00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:04,719
It was very stark contrast
to all the goodness that you saw,
462
00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:07,472
the community, the friendship
you saw at the convention.
463
00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:12,143
It made it more apparent that
there was some bad things happening
464
00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,896
and it was leaking over
into the real world.
465
00:30:15,396 --> 00:30:17,065
On the first day,
466
00:30:17,148 --> 00:30:19,275
moot created 4chan...
467
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,613
...and said,
"Lo, this is 4chan, bringer of pain."
468
00:30:23,696 --> 00:30:24,948
Hallelujah!
469
00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:31,788
On the second day, moot created Anonymous.
470
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,962
I had to make a decision as to
whether I was going to participate or not.
471
00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:42,382
And me being part of this is endorsing it,
it's making it okay,
472
00:30:42,465 --> 00:30:44,300
and I don't want it to be okay.
473
00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:46,261
Thank you, Will.
474
00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:49,430
I stopped going to conventions.
I stopped cosplaying.
475
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:53,309
The long and short of this
is that I had to grow up.
476
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:58,147
There was a huge shift in,
like, the greater part of the community
477
00:30:58,231 --> 00:31:01,067
felt more like it was...
478
00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:02,193
just trolling.
479
00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:04,737
Rape train! Rape train!
480
00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:08,366
It started to kind of
outweigh the funny stuff.
481
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:11,452
It was kind of scary, honestly.
482
00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:24,048
The older I got,
the more mature I got,
483
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:28,303
I became interested in
disturbing the balance of power.
484
00:31:31,681 --> 00:31:34,225
You know, my hope was that
485
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:38,062
this force would be able to be wielded
486
00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:39,689
for good.
487
00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:49,240
As this sort of decentralized,
anti-establishment collective is growing,
488
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,534
the political landscape is changing.
489
00:31:51,618 --> 00:31:55,288
Obama came in promising hope and change,
490
00:31:55,371 --> 00:31:57,206
but he didn't really deliver on that.
491
00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:01,461
So, that expectation that wars would end,
492
00:32:01,544 --> 00:32:03,671
that Wall Street would get punished,
493
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:07,300
that something would happen,
melts into resentment.
494
00:32:07,884 --> 00:32:11,012
That's the moment people say,
"Now we have to go outside the system."
495
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:18,603
You started to see
a lot more people support the idea
496
00:32:18,686 --> 00:32:21,230
of vigilante justice online.
497
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,984
We could actually get some
change done if we wanted it.
498
00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:26,736
We had a hand to play in this.
499
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:36,371
The hand we thought we had
was destructive.
500
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:39,999
We thought we were going to just start
laying waste to the things that existed
501
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,670
in order to force them to
build something else up in the ruins.
502
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:48,925
And Occupy Wall Street
seemed like a vehicle for that.
503
00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,976
{\an8}Occupy Wall Street was being pushed
by a group out of New York,
504
00:32:58,059 --> 00:32:59,644
and it wasn't going anywhere.
505
00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:03,606
They were gathering
in Zuccotti Park to protest.
506
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,525
They wanted to take on
the financial industry,
507
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:08,069
and get some of these
people arrested who deserved it.
508
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:12,365
We stepped up with the large megaphone
that we had and said
509
00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,617
{\an8}Anonymous is standing behind these people.
510
00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:17,036
{\an8}We started putting out material for it.
511
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,832
{\an8}The media were like, "Great, Anonymous
is involved. Now we'll talk about it."
512
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:24,836
We begin this morning with the protest
movement that began near Wall Street
513
00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:27,046
- and is gaining strength.
- Anonymous.
514
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:29,465
Now, they're evolving into this
movement of social change.
515
00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:32,552
A real driving force
behind the Wall Street occupiers.
516
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:35,948
- Tell me what democracy looks like!
- This is what democracy looks like!
517
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:40,268
Right off the rip, Occupy
Wall Street was a big hit with Anonymous.
518
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:44,772
It was regular
people occupying public space.
519
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:49,819
{\an8}It's an attractive story for the media
to see a vigilante group
520
00:33:49,902 --> 00:33:52,530
{\an8}that can't be identified,
can't be tracked down,
521
00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:55,158
but anyone can be in Anonymous.
522
00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:56,659
People have had it.
523
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:59,954
They know that their country
is headed in the wrong direction.
524
00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:05,293
It felt like there was no way to
say what Occupy Wall Street was saying.
525
00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:08,838
That these big power structures
that are over people's heads,
526
00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:12,050
that no one really likes,
there are actually ways to attack them.
527
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:15,053
Maybe there's ways to dismantle them.
Anonymous was part of that.
528
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,640
Today thousands of union
workers marched in solidarity.
529
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:24,103
It's in every US state
and more than 100 cities.
530
00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:28,691
It was a global effort, and a lot
of people were riding that wave.
531
00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:32,236
We are the 99%!
532
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,948
I was watching
the live streams constantly.
533
00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:37,241
Tax the rich!
534
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:40,953
The energy around Occupy
535
00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:45,041
definitely made people feel like
a change could be around the corner.
536
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:59,806
And the response by the state
was as aggressive as possible.
537
00:34:59,889 --> 00:35:04,185
{\an8}Shame on you!
Shame on you! Shame on you!
538
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:08,815
If you refuse to leave the park,
you'll be subject to arrest.
539
00:35:09,732 --> 00:35:12,276
{\an8}The state felt
they had to destroy them,
540
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,696
and really rip apart that idea,
which they perceived as a threat.
541
00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:20,284
They're treating us like we're
some kind of violent people.
542
00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:23,412
This is so sad. This is America.
543
00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:41,013
It was a period of time when
I think the world was in uproar.
544
00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,558
{\an8}I'd heard about it
and the things Anonymous had done.
545
00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:47,395
{\an8}And so I wanted to be there
to offer my experience and skills.
546
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:51,607
But I was just kind of attracted to
hacking 'cause it was anti-authoritarian,
547
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:54,193
and those ideals kind of spoke to me.
548
00:35:57,113 --> 00:36:00,616
Because the police brutally repressed
these protest movements in the streets,
549
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:04,203
I escalated things a little bit
by going after the police and government.
550
00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:08,416
A group of online pranksters has
embarked on a type of hacking payback.
551
00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:10,751
Retaliation
for what it called brutality
552
00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:13,254
against Occupy Wall Street protesters.
553
00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:15,631
To be honest,
there's a point in time when I had
554
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,550
more targets than the time to work with.
555
00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:19,903
Hacking
the Baldwin County Sheriff's Office...
556
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:22,054
{\an8}DPS breached by a group of hackers...
557
00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:25,516
{\an8}A notorious hacking group has targeted
Rupert Murdoch's newspapers.
558
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,312
They were just having a good time
doing these high-profile crimes.
559
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:32,106
{\an8}The CIA's website,
for the US Senate's website...
560
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:36,569
Law enforcement websites
in Birmingham, Boston, were also hacked.
561
00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,506
There was kind of,
like, "I have nothing to lose."
562
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:43,284
{\an8}They were able to take down
FBI.gov for a brief period of time.
563
00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,661
Now Anonymous
is taking a victory lap.
564
00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:51,083
I was hacking at night, and then waking up
and going to work and school.
565
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:54,420
We had the momentum and the power.
566
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:56,047
We were in control.
567
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:59,550
The agents didn't know
there was a third party on the line.
568
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,553
The target of the call,
Anonymous, was listening in.
569
00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:05,556
I would be happy
taking down the entire system.
570
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,016
Burn it all to the ground.
571
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:08,851
It seems that a week doesn't go by
572
00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:12,104
without a significant story
about hacking or cyberattacks.
573
00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:14,398
And the Pentagon is now
singling out Anonymous
574
00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:18,486
as an example of the serious
new cyber threats facing the country.
575
00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:24,033
This one night,
it's like 3:00 in the morning.
576
00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:29,997
And all of a sudden,
I got a private message...
577
00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,876
from an alias of Jeremy Hammond.
578
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:36,712
He had a sense of urgency.
579
00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:40,216
He needed help with hacks
580
00:37:40,299 --> 00:37:44,387
and was literally giving me
specific targets to go after
581
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:49,767
and giving me all the information
I needed to compromise those targets.
582
00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:52,228
Which is kind of unheard of.
583
00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,438
It's like somebody
giving you the keys to a car
584
00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:56,565
and saying,
"Hey, can you steal this car for me?"
585
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,028
It was unlike
any kind of conversation that we had
586
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,655
prior to this point.
587
00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:04,991
That left me feeling very uneasy.
588
00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:10,621
The next morning,
589
00:38:11,163 --> 00:38:14,417
I had an opening shift at my job,
590
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,586
and I get a text message from
a friend of mine.
591
00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:21,048
A news story had just dropped.
592
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:23,759
Some members
of the computer-hacking organization
593
00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:25,761
known as Anonymous
are no longer anonymous.
594
00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,723
Jeremy Hammond
is one of five suspected hackers
595
00:38:28,806 --> 00:38:30,016
arrested by the FBI.
596
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:34,562
They had been watching me, like,
come and go out of my apartment.
597
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:38,050
Hammond was arrested
at his Bridgeport home.
598
00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:40,651
He remembers smoking
marijuana with friends
599
00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:44,155
when heavily armed federal agents
tossed in a flashbang grenade.
600
00:38:45,364 --> 00:38:49,118
They are already in the front door.
They were also busting in my window.
601
00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:52,038
The cops were
definitely looking for my laptop.
602
00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:54,749
They wanted to seize
my laptop while it was running,
603
00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,752
and I had it set up to where
if you close the lid of the laptop,
604
00:38:57,835 --> 00:38:59,337
it would require a password.
605
00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:01,047
So that would deter them from being
606
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,424
able to recover
the contents of my hard drive.
607
00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:09,096
So, I walked two steps towards my computer
and shut the laptop just in time.
608
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:13,142
I was scared for myself.
609
00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:18,356
I realized that it wasn't
Jeremy that was messaging me,
610
00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:22,234
it was the FBI,
and they were trying to entrap me.
611
00:39:25,571 --> 00:39:30,785
When I got home, I immediately
started wiping all of my hard drives.
612
00:39:32,203 --> 00:39:33,704
And left the next day.
613
00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:39,543
I have nothing to do
with any of this, but I freaked out,
614
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:43,589
and anything that I could find on
the first five to ten pages of Google,
615
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,049
I blew it all away.
616
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:49,303
If there was a Wiki article
that named me, I wiped it.
617
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,141
That's the moment
that I made myself disappear.
618
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:58,854
Tried to bury the past as much as I could.
619
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,275
Just completely exited that world.
620
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,821
For a long, long, long time.
621
00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,542
The FBI
effectively broke up that group.
622
00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:26,799
And when they did that,
the Anonymous bubble collapsed.
623
00:40:32,179 --> 00:40:35,599
Unfortunately, they brute forced
the password to my laptop.
624
00:40:36,475 --> 00:40:37,601
It took them six months.
625
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:42,565
My password was named after my cat.
Chewy12345. It was at least 10 characters.
626
00:40:43,566 --> 00:40:46,652
In the end, I was sentenced
to 10 years, the statutory maximum.
627
00:40:46,735 --> 00:40:49,655
Those who wrote letters,
visited, attended court dates,
628
00:40:49,738 --> 00:40:51,550
I appreciate you.
629
00:40:51,574 --> 00:40:54,869
There was definitely
this feeling of disappointment.
630
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:59,540
You know? I mean, I think a lot of us
had high hopes for Anonymous
631
00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:02,084
and what could come next.
632
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,675
I spent the next months, uh, on trains,
633
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,511
Greyhound buses,
634
00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:15,806
taxis going all over the country.
635
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:20,811
I was afraid to talk to my friends and
family because that might lead to me
636
00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:22,438
being compromised in some way.
637
00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:26,817
It was one of the loneliest experiences
I've had in my life.
638
00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:31,572
After Anonymous left 4chan,
639
00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:34,116
the people who were left there
640
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,996
were a great deal of young people
who were more despairing than ever.
641
00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:50,257
4chan was appealing because
I was very angry at my living situation.
642
00:41:52,468 --> 00:41:55,846
{\an8}It was a place where there were a lot
of very angry kids, for many reasons,
643
00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:57,139
{\an8}and angry adults too.
644
00:41:57,223 --> 00:42:00,142
{\an8}And the board became,
like, depression central.
645
00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:04,021
We're all kind of losers, right?
646
00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:06,750
That doesn't have to be such a bad thing
647
00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:09,360
and you can kind of make
a community out of that.
648
00:42:09,443 --> 00:42:13,906
You started to see users
one-upping each other
649
00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,325
in terms of who has it worse in life.
650
00:42:17,743 --> 00:42:21,413
I felt like I could usually win those,
even though I was pretty young,
651
00:42:21,497 --> 00:42:23,499
because I have this crippling disease.
652
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:31,632
That feeling of powerlessness
that launched Occupy Wall Street,
653
00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:32,967
that didn't go away.
654
00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:38,472
It just sunk into this new, dark,
655
00:42:39,598 --> 00:42:40,975
nihilistic place.
656
00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:00,995
One of the things that I really liked
about going on 4chan was that
657
00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:02,705
I was not supposed to be there.
658
00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:06,667
{\an8}Both culturally,
it was sort of designed to repel me,
659
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:09,086
{\an8}and, literally, they said there
were no women there.
660
00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:14,592
These young men
were experiencing
661
00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:17,011
this profound mass alienation,
662
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:21,807
and coping with it through extreme humor
and sexual and violent imagery.
663
00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:24,685
It became really clear that
664
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:29,231
there was a desire to cultivate
a space that was hostile to women.
665
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,323
At the time, I was a full-time journalist
writing about the world of video games.
666
00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:39,241
A game developer called Zoë Quinn
667
00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:42,119
had made an independent game
on living with depression.
668
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:43,871
Depression Quest.
669
00:43:43,954 --> 00:43:48,375
It was a text-based game that didn't
have conventional production values.
670
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,338
The game made Zoë controversial as
a developer because Zoë was, like,
671
00:43:52,421 --> 00:43:56,342
bringing new voices and new subject matter
to the world of video games.
672
00:43:56,425 --> 00:44:01,013
A little while later, Zoë had
a disgruntled ex-boyfriend
673
00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:03,724
publish a blog post
674
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:08,020
about Zoë having a relationship
with a games journalist.
675
00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:10,898
I thought that
can't possibly be controversial.
676
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,151
But some gamers seized on this blog post
677
00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:19,031
as evidence of a conspiracy
that women and gender minorities
678
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,617
were ruining the video games industry.
679
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,411
Depression Quest.
680
00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,914
It's developed by
some dumb bitch named Zoë Quinn,
681
00:44:26,997 --> 00:44:30,417
who had to fuck five guys in gaming media
to get positive reviews.
682
00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:33,087
Hey, there's plenty
of stupid bitches like her.
683
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:35,923
That games journalist
had never covered Zoë's work.
684
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:40,344
{\an8}This conspiracy became
a harassment campaign against Zoë,
685
00:44:40,427 --> 00:44:42,805
against female video games journalists,
686
00:44:42,888 --> 00:44:46,350
and against anyone who spoke out
against the harassment.
687
00:44:46,975 --> 00:44:50,688
They said, you know, "It's about
ethics in video games journalism,"
688
00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:51,771
and it wasn't.
689
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:57,403
{\an8}They were just trying to find a rationale
that explains their disenfranchisement.
690
00:44:57,486 --> 00:45:03,075
{\an8}Zoë Quinn,
you are the stupidest person alive.
691
00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:07,079
{\an8}There was this sentiment that
women are coming to take our toys away.
692
00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,541
This one place where it's supposed
to be safe to be a dork,
693
00:45:10,624 --> 00:45:12,710
is now under attack by women.
694
00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:17,047
GamerGate. It's a story about sexism
in the world of video gaming.
695
00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:20,259
Bomb threats,
rape threats, even death threats.
696
00:45:20,342 --> 00:45:24,763
It was nothing
but trying to get me to kill myself.
697
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,224
Trying to get people to hurt me.
698
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,479
{\an8}GamerGate is a war
on women in this industry.
699
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,315
{\an8}Ethics in journalism is not
what's happening in any way.
700
00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:39,778
It's actually men going after women
in really hostile, aggressive ways.
701
00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:41,196
That's what GamerGate is about.
702
00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:50,998
GamerGate established 4chan as this place
of extreme and misogynistic behavior.
703
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:55,169
And moot was
obviously very troubled by this.
704
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:59,506
He had sort of evolved
from that kid with the baseball cap
705
00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:02,342
hiding behind his laptop at Otakon,
706
00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:05,179
into a sort of internet celebrity.
707
00:46:05,721 --> 00:46:07,306
You still live at home, right?
708
00:46:07,389 --> 00:46:09,433
I actually moved out recently.
709
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,185
That's very cool.
710
00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:15,022
Once GamerGate occurred
on the chans, moot decided to ban it.
711
00:46:16,064 --> 00:46:17,566
Moot said to the GamerGate coalition,
712
00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,409
"You're not allowed
to talk about this here."
713
00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:22,242
Having seen
the Scientology movement,
714
00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:27,159
movements that grow out of chan boards
tend to be right in the end.
715
00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:29,995
It was like this
infallible belief that I had.
716
00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:32,456
So, when GamerGate happened...
717
00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:36,627
I was definitely a sympathetic audience.
718
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,714
So, after Chris Poole
banned GamerGate,
719
00:46:41,298 --> 00:46:44,760
there were a bunch of users
that wanted to still talk about it.
720
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:48,305
They searched on Google
"alternatives to 4chan."
721
00:46:48,388 --> 00:46:51,600
They eventually got
to, like, page three, which had...
722
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:05,781
8chan, before GamerGate,
only had like 100 posts a day.
723
00:47:05,864 --> 00:47:11,912
But after, we had some days where
we were getting 7,000 posts in an hour.
724
00:47:13,288 --> 00:47:16,959
Fredrick, you and 8chan
are being likened to a hate group.
725
00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:18,544
How do you answer to that?
726
00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:21,547
Someone made
a GamerGate board on 8chan,
727
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,341
but it was not founded
for the purpose of GamerGate,
728
00:47:24,424 --> 00:47:27,511
{\an8}and it will be around long
after GamerGate is over.
729
00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:30,722
The only sources
that were taking GamerGate seriously
730
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:33,684
were very far right sources.
Like Breitbart.
731
00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:35,435
Breitbart News,
732
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,731
a bomb-throwing site
favored by the so-called alt-right.
733
00:47:39,815 --> 00:47:45,112
A mixture of conservatives and populists,
white supremacists, and anti-Semites.
734
00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:49,533
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote
a whole bunch of articles about GamerGate.
735
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:51,593
Every community on the internet,
736
00:47:51,618 --> 00:47:56,331
{\an8}4chan, Reddit, or whatever,
has a dog in the fight in GamerGate.
737
00:47:56,415 --> 00:47:59,001
Conservatives have missed
a huge cultural opportunity.
738
00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:02,713
He knew he was writing this stuff
to, like, a 4chan audience.
739
00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:05,757
These gamers
were being courted.
740
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:10,095
Like, "Yes, you are disenfranchised and,
yes, women are taking your toys away."
741
00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:14,683
"And, you know, that's happening to us
at all levels of government as well."
742
00:48:14,766 --> 00:48:17,144
{\an8}Steve Bannon,
the owner and publisher of Breitbart,
743
00:48:17,227 --> 00:48:19,563
{\an8}who later became part
of the Trump administration,
744
00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:23,901
now understands
this group of young, disenfranchised men,
745
00:48:23,984 --> 00:48:25,986
who are angry, who are unhappy,
746
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:28,196
and he says,
"They come in through GamerGate,
747
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,866
then we get them turned on to Trump."
That was his idea.
748
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:37,664
I will never let you be
the forgotten people again.
749
00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:39,124
We're the forgotten people.
750
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,711
I will never let you down.
751
00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:45,672
I promise.
I will never ever let you down.
752
00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:55,223
{\an8}What would America look like
with an ascendant alt-right?
753
00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:57,100
{\an8}With a Trump in the White House
754
00:48:57,184 --> 00:48:59,895
{\an8}and a Mr. Bannon
as the chief of staff, and...?
755
00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:02,230
{\an8}It would be so much more fun.
756
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:05,734
{\an8}It would be full of joy
and mischief and laughter and memes.
757
00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:06,817
{\an8}More spontaneous.
758
00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:10,280
{\an8}Steve Bannon knew a good thing
when he saw it.
759
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:14,660
{\an8}And by activating what he called
the "rootless white males,"
760
00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:17,037
in his own words, of 4chan,
761
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040
he turned them into a political force
to be reckoned with.
762
00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:24,795
It played out this way
in Japan back in 2002,
763
00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:31,134
with these politicized 2channel users
known as the Net Right,
764
00:49:31,218 --> 00:49:37,432
who felt that their own country wasn't
doing enough to make Japan great again.
765
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:41,687
What are 4chan and 8chan
doing to promote Trump?
766
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,981
They're doing the same thing
Anonymous was doing.
767
00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:48,610
Mass pranks, spinning misinformation
into the news cycle,
768
00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:51,446
like rumors that Hillary Clinton is sick.
769
00:49:52,406 --> 00:49:53,949
And they're making memes.
770
00:49:56,576 --> 00:50:00,163
Which then spread off the chans
into the mainstream narrative.
771
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:04,167
These radicalized young men know
that they can poison that well
772
00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:07,337
and spread all this stuff
downstream in the culture.
773
00:50:07,421 --> 00:50:09,172
{\an8}That's what 4chan was always doing,
774
00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:11,299
{\an8}but now it was getting
more toxic than ever.
775
00:50:12,467 --> 00:50:15,929
While this is happening, what is
happening on the rest of the internet?
776
00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:18,765
Everyone's experience on the internet
777
00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:22,978
is a monetized corporate form of 4chan.
778
00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:25,856
But it's more dangerous than 4chan
779
00:50:25,939 --> 00:50:30,152
because these newer sites are
better at boosting whatever content
780
00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:33,196
will make people stay on the site longer.
781
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:39,745
What drives
user-base numbers and revenue is anger.
782
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:45,333
So, Facebook or Twitter
is making more money
783
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:49,046
as users are getting angrier
and becoming glued to the screen.
784
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:54,551
And so, as the internet gets
4chan-ified, it's easier than ever
785
00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:57,971
to make really dark, disgusting
or screwed up things,
786
00:50:58,055 --> 00:51:02,726
{\an8}and they can let it spawn in that
environment until it spreads everywhere.
787
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:03,809
{\an8}Go ahead.
788
00:51:06,938 --> 00:51:11,943
The Fox News decision desk
has called Donald Trump
789
00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:15,572
the 45th president of the United States,
790
00:51:15,655 --> 00:51:20,660
winning the most surreal election
we have ever seen.
791
00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:35,467
With moot, I did find it really
funny that when we all started to leave
792
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:39,137
and all he was left with
was the Nazis... that he quit.
793
00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:42,099
Having an angry mob of 25 million people
794
00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:45,310
who disagree with
everything you do is never very fun.
795
00:51:45,393 --> 00:51:46,895
It's not even that I'm burnt out.
796
00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:51,483
It's that I've probably gone through
like five burnouts at this point.
797
00:51:53,026 --> 00:51:58,198
He had founded 4chan as this haven
for people who loved stuff from Japan,
798
00:51:58,281 --> 00:52:00,700
and who loved internet hijinks.
799
00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:02,911
He wasn't in it for politics.
800
00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:06,164
Moot is exasperated,
801
00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:09,626
and he announces
that he's leaving the site.
802
00:52:10,418 --> 00:52:11,753
His parting advice
803
00:52:11,837 --> 00:52:14,631
is that you shouldn't actually be
on the internet that much.
804
00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:19,010
He says, go out and live your life.
There's now a meme for it, "touch grass."
805
00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:23,390
For people who are angry
on the internet, I really, truly hope that
806
00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:27,144
you one day find the beauty
in not allowing strangers
807
00:52:27,227 --> 00:52:29,067
and things outside
your control to rile you up.
808
00:52:29,104 --> 00:52:33,108
I'm sure you'll add a few extra years to
your life by keeping your heart rate down.
809
00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:40,365
But the user base, I think, wanted
to drag the site in another direction.
810
00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:46,413
After Trump wins the election,
811
00:52:46,496 --> 00:52:52,043
the people on 4chan and 8chan spreading
viral misinformation feel empowered.
812
00:52:52,127 --> 00:52:54,254
It worked, so they keep doing it.
813
00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:03,346
After it happened
and Trump became president,
814
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:05,140
I was totally shocked.
815
00:53:08,101 --> 00:53:10,478
{\an8}I was reading the New York Times.
816
00:53:10,562 --> 00:53:13,648
{\an8}They projected Hillary at
90-something-percent to win.
817
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,612
No one thought this could
happen from the very beginning,
818
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:19,905
and it did.
819
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,535
{\an8}At the time,
I was a freshman in New York City.
820
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:28,997
I did swing left. Really far left.
821
00:53:30,165 --> 00:53:31,416
They were painting Trump out
822
00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:35,295
like he was going to be
some second coming of Hitler.
823
00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:42,010
{\an8}To someone as ignorant as I was at 18, 19,
believing that stuff was horrifying.
824
00:53:42,928 --> 00:53:46,014
On Election Day, my friends are like,
"We're doing this march."
825
00:53:46,097 --> 00:53:47,515
"We're going to Trump Tower."
826
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,100
{\an8}Fuck your wall!
827
00:53:49,184 --> 00:53:50,560
{\an8}It was all-out madness.
828
00:53:50,644 --> 00:53:53,104
Fuck Donald Trump!
Fuck Donald Trump!
829
00:53:53,188 --> 00:53:54,898
People yelling and screaming.
830
00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:57,692
New York hates you!
New York hates you!
831
00:53:57,776 --> 00:53:59,819
It was just total rage.
832
00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:01,029
Set it on fire!
833
00:54:01,112 --> 00:54:02,572
Let it all burn!
834
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:05,033
{\an8}Being in that mob,
it was so hateful,
835
00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:08,119
and it sort of hit me
like a wrecking ball all at once,
836
00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:11,998
realizing, like, hey,
this isn't what I signed up for.
837
00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:14,584
- Whose streets?
- Our streets!
838
00:54:14,668 --> 00:54:18,088
There was a shift,
and a lot of it had to do with
839
00:54:18,171 --> 00:54:20,757
just being extremely curious.
840
00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:26,263
When you're that young,
you want to change the world.
841
00:54:26,346 --> 00:54:29,557
It's that same thing of,
like, this country is corrupt
842
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:31,977
and something needs to be done about it.
843
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:34,396
With Trump, we have
this new guy in charge saying,
844
00:54:34,479 --> 00:54:36,398
"We're going to drain the swamp."
845
00:54:37,023 --> 00:54:39,484
We're gonna drain the swamp of Washington.
846
00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:42,654
We're gonna have fun doing it.
We're all doing it together.
847
00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:46,574
It gave people some sort of hope
that the world could change.
848
00:54:48,868 --> 00:54:52,372
A lot of Trump's mega fans felt
that when he was in the White House,
849
00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:57,585
he would have some kind
of clandestine plan
850
00:54:57,669 --> 00:54:59,879
to bring all these people to justice.
851
00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:03,425
But that hope of a radical change
852
00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:06,761
{\an8}that had been promised repeatedly
853
00:55:06,845 --> 00:55:09,931
{\an8}never seemed to happen
or come into fruition.
854
00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:15,645
That's when one of the early
Q posts came up on my radar.
855
00:55:17,814 --> 00:55:20,608
Someone with the name Q put out a post,
856
00:55:20,692 --> 00:55:23,945
and it would have the same phrase
Trump would tweet ten minutes later.
857
00:55:25,905 --> 00:55:29,075
Like, how did they predict
President Trump's Twitter?
858
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:30,702
That's just, like, nuts.
859
00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:33,705
So, it's like, "Let's just show
this to people. This is crazy."
860
00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:36,416
This was posted in 4chan.
861
00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:38,835
So, Q posted the triple-plus,
862
00:55:38,918 --> 00:55:44,007
and Donald Trump, seven minutes later,
tweeted the triple-plus.
863
00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:45,633
So we know for a fact that Q is real.
864
00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:47,802
And within,
you know, a day or two,
865
00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:53,308
I have 20,000 views,
a flood of comments that are all positive.
866
00:55:53,391 --> 00:55:56,644
And it's just this whirlwind of, like...
867
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,480
"What did I just do?"
868
00:55:58,563 --> 00:56:00,940
You know? "What have I stumbled on?"
869
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:04,986
The whole idea was, like,
870
00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:09,115
"There's this person on the inside
who's sort of leaving us breadcrumbs."
871
00:56:12,285 --> 00:56:14,871
So, he's giving us breadcrumbs.
Breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs.
872
00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:18,124
{\an8}I'm giving you all my breadcrumbs,
the whole entire way.
873
00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:20,752
And it's like, you guys
aren't getting the real story.
874
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:23,088
{\an8}Here's what's going on behind the scenes.
875
00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:26,966
{\an8}Trump wanted people
to think that he had a plan.
876
00:56:27,884 --> 00:56:32,347
He set people up to feel like
this kind of person would emerge.
877
00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:36,393
This is his team here.
I'm guessing Q is one of these people.
878
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,687
We have Kushner here,
but look at all the thumbs.
879
00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:43,483
All the thumbs up,
they connect to make an actual Q.
880
00:56:43,566 --> 00:56:45,110
So that was the first hint we got.
881
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:50,073
The YouTube channel
was growing like wildfire.
882
00:56:50,698 --> 00:56:53,159
This never happened
in the history of the world,
883
00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,620
and it's all happening
because of the internet.
884
00:56:55,703 --> 00:56:58,415
Share the stream, tweet it out,
do whatever you want to do.
885
00:56:58,498 --> 00:57:00,917
Spread the information,
that's what QAnon asks us to do.
886
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,171
Q is a patriot.
We know that for sure.
887
00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,841
Many of the things that he has
888
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:13,138
{\an8}given clues about and talked about
on 4chan and other forums,
889
00:57:13,221 --> 00:57:15,515
{\an8}um, have really proven to be true.
890
00:57:15,598 --> 00:57:19,519
There was a curious sight
at last night's Trump rally in Tampa.
891
00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:21,855
The letter Q was everywhere.
892
00:57:21,938 --> 00:57:24,399
What was once
a baseless conspiracy theory
893
00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:27,110
has become a mainstream online cult.
894
00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:28,987
Q is about getting to the truth.
895
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:32,198
He knows a lot of
the secrets that they have,
896
00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:34,367
and that's why he's such a threat to them.
897
00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:38,788
The information he has
given us has been extraordinary.
898
00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:42,041
{\an8}It was a very diverse group,
899
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,086
{\an8}but ultimately,
they're just normal people.
900
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:48,381
You know? They have jobs,
they have kids, they have families.
901
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:50,216
They're... They're working people.
902
00:57:52,594 --> 00:57:56,598
When you talk to people
who support QAnon,
903
00:57:56,681 --> 00:57:59,726
they need some way of expressing
904
00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:02,937
that they got the short end of the stick.
905
00:58:03,771 --> 00:58:07,775
You have an elite group of people getting
richer and richer using mainstream media
906
00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:10,445
to say, "Everything's fine.
Don't worry about it."
907
00:58:10,528 --> 00:58:12,614
"I know life is getting tougher for you."
908
00:58:12,697 --> 00:58:14,616
"That's the truth.
We represent the truth."
909
00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:17,702
Well, what happens is people
begin to hate the truth.
910
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:22,790
And they end up doing
the same thing that 4chan people did.
911
00:58:22,874 --> 00:58:26,044
They start falling into the internet,
falling into fantasy.
912
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:28,870
Those smart people at the top,
913
00:58:28,922 --> 00:58:31,090
they're using the truth
to beat me over the head.
914
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:33,301
So, I'll invent my own truth.
915
00:58:33,384 --> 00:58:36,179
It doesn't have to be true,
it just has to feel right.
916
00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:41,518
And little by little, that quote,
unquote "truth" just sounded deranged.
917
00:58:42,101 --> 00:58:45,355
If you're not familiar with the
conspiracy theory, it goes like this.
918
00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:48,983
They think that President Trump
is engaged in a secret war
919
00:58:49,067 --> 00:58:52,820
against Satanic pedophiles
in the Democratic Party and Hollywood.
920
00:58:53,321 --> 00:58:56,991
Hillary Clinton is a Luciferian,
Satanist, and so are the Rothschilds.
921
00:58:57,075 --> 00:58:58,701
So are the rest of the cabal.
922
00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:02,038
Open your eyes to what's really going on.
Oprah Winfrey?
923
00:59:02,121 --> 00:59:04,290
You really think
we can trust Oprah Winfrey?
924
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:07,126
These people are trying to drink blood.
Why do they do it?
925
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:09,295
It's actually a drug,
it's called adrenochrome.
926
00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:13,091
It gives them energy. It makes
them feel a little younger, right?
927
00:59:13,174 --> 00:59:16,052
So it's not like
they're doing it for no reason.
928
00:59:16,135 --> 00:59:19,347
This myth becomes a meme
as it grows in popularity,
929
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:21,182
as people begin to believe it,
930
00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:26,062
but 4chan knows that what they're doing
is they're putting old 4chan jokes
931
00:59:26,145 --> 00:59:28,189
in the thing that they're making up.
932
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:33,444
For example, CP,
that's a code for child pornography.
933
00:59:33,528 --> 00:59:36,281
So, anything that started
with those letters,
934
00:59:36,364 --> 00:59:40,201
{\an8}cheese pizza, Christopher Poole,
Captain Picard,
935
00:59:41,202 --> 00:59:43,580
these were all old-school 4chan memes.
936
00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,790
Raise your hand
if you're a pedophile.
937
00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:47,959
Oh, right. Yes.
938
00:59:48,042 --> 00:59:51,462
It's, you know,
pure adolescent nonsense
939
00:59:51,546 --> 00:59:54,591
that was far removed
from what they were joking about.
940
00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:57,302
But it grows into
this outlandish horror story
941
00:59:57,385 --> 00:59:59,512
that a lot of people believe.
942
00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:01,723
You are
secretly saving the world
943
01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:05,560
{\an8}from this Satanic cult of pedophiles
and cannibals.
944
01:00:05,643 --> 01:00:09,814
{\an8}Does that sound like something
you are behind?
945
01:00:09,897 --> 01:00:13,318
Well, I haven't...
I haven't heard that, but, uh...
946
01:00:13,818 --> 01:00:16,195
is that supposed
to be a bad thing or a good thing?
947
01:00:16,279 --> 01:00:20,700
New York City, do not
let them normalize pedophilia.
948
01:00:20,783 --> 01:00:23,745
Hollywood is trying
to normalize pedophilia.
949
01:00:24,537 --> 01:00:30,793
QAnon started trying to absorb
the iconography, the lingo,
950
01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:33,671
the messaging tactics of Anonymous.
951
01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,799
And I took that personally.
952
01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:46,601
You know? I was out of
the game a couple of years at that point.
953
01:00:47,185 --> 01:00:50,063
And I tried to ignore them
as much as possible,
954
01:00:50,146 --> 01:00:52,940
but it became a self-propagating troll.
955
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,111
Your great-grandma's knitting group
956
01:00:57,195 --> 01:01:00,239
was all of a sudden talking
about Q and saving the children.
957
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:05,453
Q was just a whole bunch
of trolls who were, like,
958
01:01:05,536 --> 01:01:10,875
"Look at all these fools. They believe it.
They actually honestly believe this,
959
01:01:10,958 --> 01:01:13,795
and, God, ain't this funny, everybody?"
960
01:01:15,463 --> 01:01:17,608
{\an8}And the only way
that you can really get there
961
01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:19,425
{\an8}is if you're an asshole that wants
962
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:23,012
{\an8}to make people believe
that their thoughts,
963
01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:25,598
their interpretations
of reality are not true,
964
01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,351
and that's harmful.
965
01:01:28,434 --> 01:01:30,228
That's harmful to everybody.
966
01:01:31,604 --> 01:01:36,359
All of us who had built the culture
started seeing our work being used
967
01:01:36,442 --> 01:01:39,195
by people we utterly despised.
968
01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:44,534
And because we all left the chan culture,
there was no one there pushing back.
969
01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:50,164
We've all participated
in undermining reality
970
01:01:50,248 --> 01:01:53,668
with our silly jokes
and the conspiracy theories.
971
01:01:56,629 --> 01:02:01,634
But we never wanted things
to turn into a living cartoon.
972
01:02:03,094 --> 01:02:07,265
And we have to understand we have
awoken in the midst of a nightmare!
973
01:02:07,348 --> 01:02:08,808
But we can fight this!
974
01:02:10,935 --> 01:02:13,521
Unfortunately,
when you are that far gone,
975
01:02:13,604 --> 01:02:15,940
there's nothing really you can do.
976
01:02:16,023 --> 01:02:19,777
All you can do is cross your fingers
and hope that eventually
977
01:02:19,861 --> 01:02:21,446
they will realize that...
978
01:02:22,697 --> 01:02:23,697
"I've been conned."
979
01:02:25,074 --> 01:02:27,994
I was convinced
that it was a real thing.
980
01:02:28,077 --> 01:02:31,330
But eventually Q started
getting a couple things wrong.
981
01:02:32,623 --> 01:02:35,877
There were, like, dates given,
and then it would never happen.
982
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,421
Like I said, QAnon, right?
983
01:02:38,504 --> 01:02:42,467
He said March 9th.
It's March 20th, guys. Okay?
984
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,136
Little things like that
kept happening again and again.
985
01:02:45,219 --> 01:02:47,889
We know the storm is upon us.
What else do you want me to say?
986
01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:49,532
These people are going to get arrested.
987
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:54,061
There was this big kind of powwow
live stream with all the Q influencers,
988
01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,563
kind of like a sales pitch.
989
01:02:55,646 --> 01:02:57,206
It doesn't matter if it's real.
990
01:02:57,231 --> 01:02:58,649
It's better than Game of Thrones.
991
01:02:58,733 --> 01:03:01,014
It's better than House of Cards,
better than Walking Dead.
992
01:03:01,068 --> 01:03:03,196
It is the most entertaining thing
on the internet.
993
01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:04,999
The content
he's discussing is real.
994
01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:06,616
Whether Q himself is real or not,
995
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:08,701
the content he's discussing
is 100% genuine.
996
01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:09,619
Yeah.
997
01:03:09,702 --> 01:03:13,372
Eventually I learned that many
of the individuals in that live stream
998
01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:16,292
were actually behind the QAnon posts.
999
01:03:18,002 --> 01:03:20,171
And they were just
some dudes in a basement
1000
01:03:20,254 --> 01:03:24,383
who gained legitimacy
by predicting those Trump tweets.
1001
01:03:25,426 --> 01:03:27,887
Q never predicted
any of Donald Trump's tweets.
1002
01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:31,516
Trolls simply doctored the
timestamps to make it seem that way.
1003
01:03:33,267 --> 01:03:35,895
{\an8}QAnon followers
saw what they wanted to see,
1004
01:03:35,978 --> 01:03:37,647
{\an8}and they just ran with the lie.
1005
01:03:40,274 --> 01:03:42,735
I think it really
took advantage of people that
1006
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:47,240
were looking for answers about themselves,
about the world around them.
1007
01:03:50,785 --> 01:03:52,703
It just got
to a point where I was like,
1008
01:03:52,787 --> 01:03:56,040
"Okay, I have to tell
these people this is not real."
1009
01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:59,335
So,
today's the day that Q dies.
1010
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:04,966
The group behind QAnon is a bunch
of manipulative 8chan scammers.
1011
01:04:05,049 --> 01:04:07,134
They were using me
to push the Q narrative,
1012
01:04:07,218 --> 01:04:11,722
and it's not good to have this false hope,
and the truth needs to come out.
1013
01:04:11,806 --> 01:04:14,851
It wasn't well-received at all.
1014
01:04:14,934 --> 01:04:18,479
It was a mountain of dislikes
and hate comments.
1015
01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:26,612
It was really like me talking to a wall.
There's nothing I could have said.
1016
01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:31,450
Once you really realize it's phony,
nothing's gonna happen,
1017
01:04:31,534 --> 01:04:33,744
you know, you kind of think like,
1018
01:04:34,412 --> 01:04:36,873
what is going to happen to these people?
1019
01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:39,977
{\an8}The authorities in Nevada
say a man barricaded himself
1020
01:04:40,001 --> 01:04:41,502
{\an8}in an armored vehicle
1021
01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:46,048
{\an8}near the Hoover Dam bridge this afternoon,
demanding President Trump release reports.
1022
01:04:46,132 --> 01:04:48,551
{\an8}Reports about what, he did not say.
1023
01:04:48,634 --> 01:04:51,012
The man accused
of murdering reputed mob boss
1024
01:04:51,095 --> 01:04:53,431
Francesco "Franky Boy" Cali
appearing in court today.
1025
01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:55,725
{\an8}Comello held up
his hand in court,
1026
01:04:55,808 --> 01:04:57,518
his palm filled with scribblings,
1027
01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,979
including a reference
to a conspiracy theory.
1028
01:05:00,062 --> 01:05:03,649
Parker Police said
she believed her child had been taken
1029
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,236
by a Satanic pedophilia ring of Democrats.
1030
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,320
This is ridiculous.
What this is, folks,
1031
01:05:09,363 --> 01:05:14,243
this is Douglas County getting caught
being a child sex trafficking ring
1032
01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:16,913
and trying to go after
the person that's outing them.
1033
01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,206
Things were
teetering on a precipice
1034
01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:22,084
and the 2020 election
pushed things over the edge.
1035
01:05:25,087 --> 01:05:30,676
{\an8}Joseph R. Biden, Jr. is elected
the 46th president of the United States.
1036
01:05:31,177 --> 01:05:33,095
{\an8}This is a major fraud on our nation.
1037
01:05:34,055 --> 01:05:37,141
{\an8}We were getting ready
to win this election.
1038
01:05:37,224 --> 01:05:39,685
{\an8}Frankly, we did win this election.
1039
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,814
{\an8}President Trump appeared
in public and falsely claimed
1040
01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:45,942
that he won the 2020 election.
1041
01:05:46,025 --> 01:05:49,654
{\an8}He is still showing no signs
of conceding any time soon.
1042
01:05:49,737 --> 01:05:52,031
Stop the steal!
Stop the steal!
1043
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:56,786
We're here to tell them that they're not
stealing our republic from us!
1044
01:05:56,869 --> 01:06:00,456
It was another denial of reality.
1045
01:06:00,539 --> 01:06:02,208
Reconciling Trump's loss
1046
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:05,670
with a win by creating a fantasy
that he, in fact, has won.
1047
01:06:05,753 --> 01:06:08,214
If we look into the way voter fraud
is being conducted,
1048
01:06:08,297 --> 01:06:10,299
the way people are throwing away ballots,
1049
01:06:10,383 --> 01:06:13,678
these people are going down, you guys,
because these people are cowards,
1050
01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:15,596
they're a bunch of child molesters.
1051
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,724
"Stop the steal"
has swept across inboxes,
1052
01:06:18,808 --> 01:06:22,061
Facebook pages, and Twitter
like an out-of-control virus.
1053
01:06:23,187 --> 01:06:27,441
There was this moment that
I don't see written about a lot,
1054
01:06:27,525 --> 01:06:29,151
leading up to January 6th,
1055
01:06:29,235 --> 01:06:30,778
of incredible tension.
1056
01:06:31,487 --> 01:06:37,034
They need to stop the steal tomorrow!
Stop the steal!
1057
01:06:37,868 --> 01:06:39,704
Stop the steal!
1058
01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:43,833
Everyone felt it in the air. We didn't
know what was going to happen.
1059
01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:46,252
Stop the steal!
1060
01:06:46,335 --> 01:06:48,045
Anything could happen.
1061
01:06:58,514 --> 01:07:01,726
Delta Airlines
is paging Fight For Trump.
1062
01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:04,437
Fight For Trump.
1063
01:07:05,062 --> 01:07:09,984
Fight for Trump!
Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!
1064
01:07:12,862 --> 01:07:17,950
{\an8}The most important day right now
in modern political history is upon us.
1065
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,410
The power is in your hands.
1066
01:07:19,493 --> 01:07:22,496
One, two, three, four.
USA! USA!
1067
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,957
It was
an internet-generated event.
1068
01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:28,836
What's up, people? Where you guys from?
Let me know. Please tag, people.
1069
01:07:28,919 --> 01:07:30,755
I'm gonna walk you guys...
1070
01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:33,174
I'm gonna walk you
all the way out to the crowds.
1071
01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:36,886
It's people who love Christ,
people who love Trump,
1072
01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:40,014
people who are just conservatives,
conspiracy theorists,
1073
01:07:40,097 --> 01:07:41,807
people who are totally deranged,
1074
01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:45,936
and they're all glomming together,
and the radical acceptance of all of that,
1075
01:07:46,729 --> 01:07:49,523
because they believed
in this mass delusion.
1076
01:07:50,357 --> 01:07:52,610
They're storming the Capitol!
1077
01:07:52,693 --> 01:07:54,403
Hell yeah!
1078
01:07:54,487 --> 01:07:56,197
It was wild, you know?
1079
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,365
We'd never seen anything like it.
1080
01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:04,038
There is no historical parallel
to the storming of the US Capitol.
1081
01:08:05,331 --> 01:08:08,084
But at the time,
I wasn't surprised at all.
1082
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,549
I'm a reporter,
and I was actually there.
1083
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:20,513
I wandered in the crowd,
like, up the Capitol Hill, to the...
1084
01:08:20,596 --> 01:08:24,809
part where the Capitol begins,
and it's shrouded in tear gas and smoke.
1085
01:08:26,644 --> 01:08:28,187
And I go around, and I'm like,
1086
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:30,898
"Excuse me, sir.
Why are you invading the Capitol?"
1087
01:08:30,981 --> 01:08:33,150
We all feel like,
you know, it was fraud,
1088
01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:35,444
and with the evidence and everything...
1089
01:08:35,528 --> 01:08:41,283
And everyone has a little different,
precious, deranged internet conspiracy.
1090
01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:44,954
If you don't know what
an obelisk is, do some research.
1091
01:08:45,037 --> 01:08:47,873
It's Satan's penis, basically.
But, anyway, look it up.
1092
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:50,626
Then you gotta ask yourself,
"Why is it in Washington, DC?"
1093
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:51,752
Each one is different.
1094
01:08:51,836 --> 01:08:52,962
The Great Reset?
1095
01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:53,879
Yeah.
1096
01:08:53,963 --> 01:08:55,297
That's when we go
1097
01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:58,217
to a digital currency
and a one-world government.
1098
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,177
The next person
would be totally different.
1099
01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:03,931
Governor Wolf, in Pennsylvania,
shuts my fucking restaurant down.
1100
01:09:04,014 --> 01:09:05,850
Fuck you, Governor Wolf.
1101
01:09:06,433 --> 01:09:08,644
And I would ask them,
"What are you reading?"
1102
01:09:08,727 --> 01:09:11,730
Is there a certain place where
you get your information on Trump?
1103
01:09:11,814 --> 01:09:13,524
Yeah, Facebook and Parler.
1104
01:09:13,607 --> 01:09:16,610
There had not been
a revolution like this before.
1105
01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:19,446
It felt new.
It felt like a product of the internet.
1106
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:21,407
A product of social media.
1107
01:09:22,741 --> 01:09:25,161
I'm the guy
with the mask on. Where are you?
1108
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,496
Cobra, over and out.
1109
01:09:29,331 --> 01:09:30,875
Break through!
1110
01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:40,926
Whoo!
1111
01:09:43,304 --> 01:09:47,558
Stop the steal!
1112
01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:52,855
Once all of these Trump people
raid the building, and they're all inside,
1113
01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:57,318
they don't just walk over the stanchion
or, like, over the velvet red rope.
1114
01:09:57,401 --> 01:09:59,195
They walk along it,
1115
01:09:59,278 --> 01:10:01,947
even though
they have to go into a little line.
1116
01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,075
A lot of them were acting like tourists.
They just...
1117
01:10:05,659 --> 01:10:08,787
"Whoa. We did it." You know?
1118
01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:13,709
Like, total just big-eyed deer
in headlights, a lot of them.
1119
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,507
They were surprised themselves.
It was as if
1120
01:10:20,591 --> 01:10:22,509
they were wanderers in a dream.
1121
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:28,057
And to me, that spoke to their...
1122
01:10:28,974 --> 01:10:30,434
deep delusion.
1123
01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:35,856
They were enacting something
that was a fantasy on the internet.
1124
01:10:36,941 --> 01:10:42,196
And that it was far removed from
the reality of what they were doing.
1125
01:10:43,614 --> 01:10:46,784
They were filming themselves.
Putting themselves back on the internet
1126
01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:49,148
as they were doing this
from this closed loop.
1127
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:51,330
Can I speak to Pelosi?
1128
01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:52,915
Yeah? We're coming, bitch!
1129
01:10:52,998 --> 01:10:54,792
Whose office is this?
1130
01:10:55,292 --> 01:10:57,002
Is it on the door?
1131
01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,088
Oh, my God.
1132
01:11:27,825 --> 01:11:32,871
Some of us who started this
whole long unfortunate series of events
1133
01:11:32,955 --> 01:11:35,624
had to sit there and watch it happen.
1134
01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:41,297
"No. This is where
this needs to fucking stop."
1135
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:42,965
USA!
1136
01:11:43,048 --> 01:11:44,466
Fuck yeah!
1137
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,720
All these people that were
emboldened in the moment,
1138
01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:51,932
they all tried to scrub what they could
from the internet.
1139
01:11:54,601 --> 01:11:57,104
The FBI spent
the past week trying to identify
1140
01:11:57,187 --> 01:12:00,566
and locate the people involved
in last week's violence and unrest.
1141
01:12:00,649 --> 01:12:03,861
So far, more than 70 people
are facing federal charges,
1142
01:12:03,944 --> 01:12:05,529
but many more walking around,
1143
01:12:05,612 --> 01:12:08,991
blending into our communities
and evading charges.
1144
01:12:09,074 --> 01:12:11,827
The FBI needs your help to find them.
1145
01:12:13,037 --> 01:12:15,622
The first time I heard that Kirt
might be coming back,
1146
01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:18,751
my first thought was just...
It was utter joy.
1147
01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:21,879
This guy is an outright old-school troll
1148
01:12:21,962 --> 01:12:24,256
with the skill set needed
to cause some trouble.
1149
01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:29,428
So, myself
and a few other people got to work.
1150
01:12:31,805 --> 01:12:36,352
Parler was a social network
that was used during January 6th.
1151
01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:41,231
We were able to download the entirety
of all media that was posted that day.
1152
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,361
And on top of that,
who they were communicating with,
1153
01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:48,405
where they went after the fact,
where they came from.
1154
01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:51,867
All of it was right there,
ripe for the taking,
1155
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:55,954
and we pulled it all down
and released it to the public.
1156
01:12:58,082 --> 01:13:01,835
Anonymous
de-anonymized everybody.
1157
01:13:04,671 --> 01:13:06,215
It was poetry in motion.
1158
01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:10,469
This is the environment that I thrive in.
I'm just like, who's next, right?
1159
01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:13,305
{\an8}The hacking group Anonymous
stole tons of data
1160
01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,558
{\an8}from a site that hosts extremist
and racist groups.
1161
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:18,018
Epik hosting,
1162
01:13:18,102 --> 01:13:21,688
their client base includes InfoWars,
1163
01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:24,274
the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys.
1164
01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,529
It's a who's who of hate groups.
1165
01:13:29,988 --> 01:13:32,658
All of their customer data,
their credit card numbers,
1166
01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:34,410
personal information,
1167
01:13:34,493 --> 01:13:36,161
was all released by Anonymous.
1168
01:13:37,329 --> 01:13:40,582
It was one of the biggest hacks
that people had seen in a decade.
1169
01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:42,126
{\an8}Law enforcement's involved,
1170
01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:45,337
{\an8}and we're going to find
exactly how it was moved.
1171
01:13:45,421 --> 01:13:47,840
{\an8}No, I'm not in a state of denial.
Come on, bro.
1172
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:50,717
When you get
on a good win streak,
1173
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:53,512
you know, you're riding high, you know,
1174
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,806
you kind of get carried away.
1175
01:13:56,932 --> 01:14:00,978
There's kind of an intoxicating aspect
1176
01:14:01,061 --> 01:14:05,190
to the attention
that you can get from hacking.
1177
01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:08,944
It can trick you into thinking
you're fighting for good.
1178
01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:12,823
But in reality, you're just high
off the feeling of having power.
1179
01:14:14,992 --> 01:14:16,869
When you're behind a screen,
1180
01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:19,329
you could wake up one day and say,
"You know what?"
1181
01:14:19,413 --> 01:14:21,999
"Today, I'm gonna be the asshole."
1182
01:14:23,083 --> 01:14:24,543
And you can just go out there,
1183
01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:27,004
and you could get it
out of your fucking system,
1184
01:14:27,087 --> 01:14:28,505
and see what happens.
1185
01:14:29,006 --> 01:14:31,425
It happened with the FBI raids.
1186
01:14:32,092 --> 01:14:33,844
It happened with QAnon.
1187
01:14:34,386 --> 01:14:36,138
You can still see it today.
1188
01:14:36,889 --> 01:14:41,018
I did indeed discover
Donald Trump's Twitter password,
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01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:44,480
which was Maga2020
with an exclamation mark.
1190
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:48,650
And he changed a single digit to Maga2024.
1191
01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:53,155
That was the password for realDonaldTrump.
1192
01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:54,865
I had that shit.
1193
01:14:55,365 --> 01:14:57,045
I only know that was his Twitter password.
1194
01:14:57,075 --> 01:15:00,746
I don't know if it's his password anywhere
else. I did not go to check...
1195
01:15:00,829 --> 01:15:04,082
I would never, ever encourage people
to go do anything,
1196
01:15:04,166 --> 01:15:09,838
but minor variations
on that password work in a lot of places.
1197
01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:13,467
Former President Trump
just launched his new social media app,
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01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:14,968
Truth Social.
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01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:17,554
The site was briefly accessible
to the public last night
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01:15:17,638 --> 01:15:20,140
and was immediately overrun by trolls
1201
01:15:20,224 --> 01:15:24,102
that posted a photo of a pig defecating
on its own scrotum.
1202
01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:29,650
It's pretty funny. We got
piggy poop balls on The Colbert Show.
1203
01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:32,444
Throughout the years,
1204
01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:37,824
there have been countless people
who tried to take the reins of Anonymous,
1205
01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:42,621
but they have not learned from
the mistakes that we made in the past.
1206
01:15:44,665 --> 01:15:49,878
Activism should come from
a place of understanding
1207
01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:54,132
more so than just anger or fear
1208
01:15:54,216 --> 01:15:58,345
or especially self-aggrandization.
1209
01:15:58,428 --> 01:16:02,099
{\an8}We actually haven't heard Anonymous
in a while, to tell you the truth,
1210
01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:04,601
{\an8}but what can you tell us about this hack?
1211
01:16:04,685 --> 01:16:10,065
Because of
the attention you can gain
1212
01:16:10,148 --> 01:16:14,820
through these tactics,
it can have a way of corrupting people.
1213
01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:17,948
I am literally
in every mainstream media publication
1214
01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:19,908
for the things that I do!
1215
01:16:20,409 --> 01:16:22,494
I'm not an unknown actor!
1216
01:16:23,161 --> 01:16:26,665
I'm literally
a famous fucking cyberterrorist!
1217
01:16:27,291 --> 01:16:29,418
And you think that you could scare me?
1218
01:16:29,501 --> 01:16:33,338
What are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do to me, huh?
1219
01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:48,937
It was around
11:00 in the morning.
1220
01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:51,106
Couple of cops come around the corner.
1221
01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:57,154
They served me a warrant.
1222
01:16:57,237 --> 01:16:59,740
And, "We're here to search your premises."
1223
01:16:59,823 --> 01:17:05,078
"We're from the, uh,
Ontario Police Cyber Crimes Division."
1224
01:17:06,788 --> 01:17:12,169
I wasn't charged, I wasn't detained,
but now I'm being investigated for...
1225
01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,797
some alleged online activities.
1226
01:17:20,344 --> 01:17:25,724
They're hauling out my computers, any
hard drive storage devices they can find.
1227
01:17:25,807 --> 01:17:30,062
And then towards the end, they're like,
"Does he have a Guy Fawkes mask in there?"
1228
01:17:30,145 --> 01:17:32,981
"Yeah."
"Oh, yeah. He's got a Guy Fawkes mask."
1229
01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:39,946
I am in a very similar situation
as Jeremy Hammond was.
1230
01:17:41,114 --> 01:17:43,742
And that's absolutely fucking terrifying
1231
01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:48,580
because, well,
Hammond went to prison for a decade.
1232
01:17:50,791 --> 01:17:55,545
What's ironic about 4chan,
or any of these digital spaces,
1233
01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:59,049
is that people went there
to feel less alone,
1234
01:17:59,132 --> 01:18:01,968
but these spaces only simulate community.
1235
01:18:03,887 --> 01:18:08,350
It feels like you're fulfilling
your wildest fantasies, but in fact,
1236
01:18:09,601 --> 01:18:12,354
you're just experiencing
less and less of life.
1237
01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:20,654
You feel like you have it all,
when, in fact, you have nothing.
1238
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,242
You're just alone together.
1239
01:18:52,602 --> 01:18:56,398
This is the kind of place where,
like, you're walking around people,
1240
01:18:56,481 --> 01:18:59,234
they'll make eye contact with you.
They want that, "How you doing?"
1241
01:18:59,317 --> 01:19:00,569
Yeah, that's nice.
1242
01:19:01,278 --> 01:19:03,363
As far as the FBI stuff went,
1243
01:19:03,447 --> 01:19:07,743
I got out of it unscathed,
with no charges or anything like that.
1244
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:12,748
The people that I was staying with
when I was on my trip around the country
1245
01:19:12,831 --> 01:19:14,833
were people
that I've known since the '90s,
1246
01:19:14,916 --> 01:19:17,669
that I met in anime chat rooms,
1247
01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:22,257
and had not met them at all
until I left on the run.
1248
01:19:24,092 --> 01:19:30,056
Anonymous was never this mythical unicorn
1249
01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:34,644
of an organization
that could fix all of our problems.
1250
01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:37,564
People just believed that it was.
1251
01:19:37,647 --> 01:19:42,819
♪ Never gonna run around
And desert you ♪
1252
01:19:42,903 --> 01:19:44,571
♪ Never gonna make you cry ♪
1253
01:19:44,654 --> 01:19:50,243
I think I have an understanding
of how some of our actions in the past,
1254
01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:54,456
whether we like it or not, have affected
1255
01:19:55,373 --> 01:19:57,250
the reality of things today.
1256
01:19:57,334 --> 01:19:59,711
{\an8}Police say he posted
a document showing
1257
01:19:59,795 --> 01:20:02,339
{\an8}support for racist conspiracy theories.
1258
01:20:02,422 --> 01:20:04,716
{\an8}The Guardian reports
4chan has inspired
1259
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,177
{\an8}at least three other
mass casualty attacks,
1260
01:20:07,260 --> 01:20:10,055
{\an8}including a shooting
in D.C. just last month.
1261
01:20:11,389 --> 01:20:18,104
There has been a string of
fake mass shootings with crisis actors...
1262
01:20:18,188 --> 01:20:20,982
The Jews want to replace
white people because they hate us.
1263
01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:23,226
Do your own research
and find out for yourself.
1264
01:20:23,276 --> 01:20:25,362
Leaders
shape-shift into reptiles.
1265
01:20:25,445 --> 01:20:27,531
They're always
eating these children.
1266
01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:29,866
Of course it's not fake, okay?
1267
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:34,329
We now know that if you spend
a lot of time on the screen,
1268
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,415
you can create a mass delusion,
1269
01:20:37,499 --> 01:20:40,418
that reality parts from where you are,
1270
01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:43,547
and you can create
something elaborate in your mind
1271
01:20:43,630 --> 01:20:46,258
that is delicate and complicated,
1272
01:20:46,341 --> 01:20:48,885
and it can be
this really fascinating thing,
1273
01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:51,805
and you can spend all day
obsessing about it with other people.
1274
01:20:53,265 --> 01:20:55,350
It can feel real as anything else.
1275
01:21:00,272 --> 01:21:04,609
But what we're doing is building
these elaborate grotesque fantasies
1276
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,486
out of our own unhappiness.
1277
01:21:10,991 --> 01:21:15,787
Our current moment
is really about us as humans.
1278
01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:20,750
And how we're only
just starting to learn the effects
1279
01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:23,628
of these tools that we all use.
1280
01:21:25,338 --> 01:21:28,425
We didn't evolve
to be online all the time.
1281
01:21:30,302 --> 01:21:34,472
This is an absolutely new moment
for the human animal.
1282
01:21:38,476 --> 01:21:42,230
And figuring out
how we use these tools,
1283
01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:45,400
that's the question of the next century.
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