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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,602 --> 00:00:21,187 You can fix code. 2 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:22,939 You can't fix people. 3 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:27,235 I always like to say that the weakest part of any system 4 00:00:28,069 --> 00:00:30,280 is the people that put it together. 5 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:32,657 Fifteen years ago, 6 00:00:33,241 --> 00:00:36,494 we were just dumbass kids having a good time 7 00:00:37,078 --> 00:00:40,206 sharing jokes and memes on the internet. 8 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:44,461 {\an8}Do we even know? Who is this 4chan person or website? 9 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:48,423 4chan.org is a collaborative community 10 00:00:48,506 --> 00:00:50,842 known for posting these on the net. Tom? 11 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:52,510 - What are photographs? - Yes. 12 00:00:53,344 --> 00:00:56,806 We were using subversive humor to make fun of the world. 13 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:59,893 Their name comes from their secret website. 14 00:01:00,685 --> 00:01:03,772 Not understanding that the jokes we made 15 00:01:03,855 --> 00:01:06,024 would turn into conspiracy theories. 16 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:11,154 And next thing you know, the entire world 17 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:16,367 turned into this disinformation-pumping gigantic chanosphere. 18 00:01:17,452 --> 00:01:20,038 Conspiracy theories saturate the internet. 19 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:24,375 This misinformation has reshaped our society. 20 00:01:29,839 --> 00:01:34,135 {\an8}We started something and never intended for it to end up this way. 21 00:01:37,639 --> 00:01:40,892 USA! 22 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:48,733 And now I'm just trying to clean up what I see as my old mistakes. 23 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:14,050 I was about ten years old when I first got into computers. 24 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:18,263 {\an8}I would start playing sick at home 25 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:19,848 {\an8}to get out of school. 26 00:02:19,931 --> 00:02:23,143 The only phone line in the house was in the living room, 27 00:02:23,726 --> 00:02:26,646 but my computer was upstairs. 28 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,903 I would take one of my parent's checks, 29 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:37,782 open up an AOL account, and go online on AOL all day. 30 00:02:40,743 --> 00:02:44,289 And then an hour before my mom and dad were gonna be coming home from work, 31 00:02:44,372 --> 00:02:47,542 I would get on the phone with AOL to cancel the account. 32 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:54,090 I felt like the coolest criminal child in the world. 33 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:58,136 I think I was 12 when we first got the internet. 34 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,723 {\an8}I definitely was super curious, 35 00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:03,975 {\an8}looking up stuff I probably should not have been. 36 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:06,644 I specifically remember one instance, 37 00:03:06,728 --> 00:03:09,647 my stepdad approached me after dinner one night. 38 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:13,776 He's like, "Why did you look up sex.com?" 39 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:16,571 And I got in so much trouble. 40 00:03:16,654 --> 00:03:19,407 I wasn't allowed online for like a week after that. 41 00:03:21,075 --> 00:03:25,830 {\an8}From my perspective, as a kid, you know, there was always just internet. 42 00:03:27,498 --> 00:03:31,586 Chat rooms, forums, bulletin boards. 43 00:03:31,669 --> 00:03:35,506 Having an online persona as a way to get outside myself. 44 00:03:36,549 --> 00:03:41,596 Kirtaner is loud, brash, take-no-prisoners. 45 00:03:42,805 --> 00:03:46,226 It was an inverse of how I was in real life. 46 00:03:51,481 --> 00:03:55,610 I didn't understand that I had anxiety, but I knew that I felt 47 00:03:55,693 --> 00:03:58,363 strange being in groups of people. 48 00:04:00,698 --> 00:04:03,493 So, the internet became a place for me to 49 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:04,953 be comfortable. 50 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:10,375 I would just go online, see what other people were talking about, 51 00:04:10,458 --> 00:04:12,085 attempt to join in. 52 00:04:12,961 --> 00:04:16,714 There was this whole other world of people that I could talk to. 53 00:04:18,174 --> 00:04:22,053 I would talk to people about video games, anime. 54 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:28,059 At the time, Japanese anime was blowing up in a big way. 55 00:04:28,142 --> 00:04:32,397 American children's entertainment, it's pretty lame for the most part. 56 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:37,819 The Japanese stuff was just cooler than all the other stuff on TV at the time. 57 00:04:40,071 --> 00:04:41,281 Power Rangers! 58 00:04:41,364 --> 00:04:43,676 Throughout the '90s, it felt like Japanese culture 59 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:45,618 was taking over the world. 60 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:01,718 I'd always wanted to live in Japan. 61 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:04,929 {\an8}To us Gen-Xers, 62 00:05:05,013 --> 00:05:09,642 {\an8}Japan was the place that made all the cool stuff that we so desperately wanted. 63 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:13,438 In the '90s and early 2000s, 64 00:05:13,521 --> 00:05:18,026 Japan was a Petri dish for all sorts of technological innovations. 65 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:26,492 Most Japanese accessed the internet not off of PCs, 66 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:29,829 but on cell phones, which had really limited bandwidth. 67 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,294 It starts to create strange new systems for communication, like the emoji. 68 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:40,715 And 2channel was yet another example of this. 69 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:46,012 2channel is an anonymous bulletin board system. 70 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:50,016 Being totally anonymous gave young people 71 00:05:50,099 --> 00:05:52,894 the opportunity to vent their thoughts and opinions 72 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:55,688 without fear of being judged for it. 73 00:05:57,065 --> 00:05:59,567 It was pretty primitive looking, 74 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:01,986 but, you know, connecting people, 75 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:05,656 being able to find your tribe, it was absolutely revolutionary. 76 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,162 And it was instantly popular with otaku. 77 00:06:12,413 --> 00:06:15,541 Otaku are adults who had no interest 78 00:06:15,625 --> 00:06:18,378 in any of the traditional trappings of adulthood. 79 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:22,632 2channel let them dive deeper into their fantasy lives. 80 00:06:24,592 --> 00:06:30,390 The visual aspect also made it a lot easier for Westerners to access. 81 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:35,228 One of them was a mysterious figure who went by the handle "moot." 82 00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:40,400 He downloaded a copy of 2chan's software 83 00:06:41,484 --> 00:06:45,780 and then he launched it under the name 4chan. 84 00:06:47,198 --> 00:06:48,908 4chan.net, 85 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:53,204 an English version of 2chan.net. 86 00:06:56,999 --> 00:07:00,086 First time I saw 4chan was the first day it was online. 87 00:07:00,169 --> 00:07:03,381 If I'm remembering correctly. 88 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:08,010 It was like a hodgepodge of anything you could think of. 89 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:12,640 {\an8}Things that you would not see anywhere else online except for there. 90 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:17,770 There was definitely a lot of stuff that was... super edgy. 91 00:07:19,397 --> 00:07:22,233 To my young brain... 92 00:07:22,316 --> 00:07:25,278 ...it was really cool. 93 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:29,174 You could say whatever you want and it was not associated with you. 94 00:07:29,198 --> 00:07:31,993 Nobody knew who you were, you were anonymous. 95 00:07:34,871 --> 00:07:37,582 {\an8}Being able to post things anonymously, 96 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:41,252 {\an8}with an image, didn't exist anywhere else on the internet. 97 00:07:44,088 --> 00:07:46,007 During the summer of 2004, 98 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:47,800 a friend hits me up and is like, 99 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:50,470 "Hey, do you want to come on as a programmer?" 100 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:54,849 And I'm like, "Okay." I like programming. So, why not? 101 00:07:56,434 --> 00:07:58,060 Moot was very mysterious. 102 00:07:58,144 --> 00:07:59,729 No one knew what he looked like. 103 00:07:59,812 --> 00:08:03,441 No one knew his real name, or where he lived. 104 00:08:04,066 --> 00:08:06,819 But he created something we all wanted. 105 00:08:07,445 --> 00:08:09,947 Like, this is what the internet should be. 106 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:14,785 You can communicate with anyone all over the world, in any way you want. 107 00:08:17,788 --> 00:08:20,917 It was a glorious time, those early first few years. 108 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:25,171 Like, we ate, breathed, slept that shit. 109 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,549 We formed our own language, our own lingo. 110 00:08:29,842 --> 00:08:34,305 Most of it, not exactly culturally acceptable in this day and age. 111 00:08:37,558 --> 00:08:38,601 {\an8}Ey. 112 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:41,812 {\an8}4chan loved making these inside jokes 113 00:08:41,896 --> 00:08:45,525 {\an8}that people outside the community wouldn't get. 114 00:08:46,234 --> 00:08:47,818 {\an8}"For the Lulz" was a term. 115 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:52,365 "The lulz" is a bastardization of "laugh out loud." 116 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:54,367 You would make a funny meme, 117 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:58,329 post it, you refresh, all of a sudden, you've got 100 replies. 118 00:08:58,412 --> 00:09:01,207 Everybody's laughing, joking, modifying it. 119 00:09:02,458 --> 00:09:04,377 You've got that dopamine rush. 120 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,379 You just wanted another hit, another taste. 121 00:09:07,296 --> 00:09:10,049 Viral imagery blasting in your eyeballs. 122 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:12,301 You didn't want the party to stop. 123 00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:17,640 The site worked in this Darwinian way, 124 00:09:17,723 --> 00:09:21,102 {\an8}where the most interesting posts, the posts that got the most replies, 125 00:09:21,185 --> 00:09:23,813 {\an8}would be bumped to the top of the site, 126 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:26,190 and all the other ones would fall away and die. 127 00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:29,694 {\an8}The game was to post something interesting, 128 00:09:29,777 --> 00:09:31,529 that was funny, that people would reply to, 129 00:09:31,612 --> 00:09:34,657 that would essentially survive on the site more than a second. 130 00:09:35,366 --> 00:09:39,495 You're constantly getting new content, and it just keeps you hooked. 131 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:43,749 That was the beginning of the format of what became social media nowadays, 132 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:45,835 what they call the endless scroll. 133 00:09:54,635 --> 00:09:58,556 We were just watching this thing grow and evolve 134 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,976 and slowly take over all of our minds. 135 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:11,986 What the 4chan users didn't know 136 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:16,490 was that 2channel's effect on Japanese society was profound. 137 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:21,495 2channel spawned all sorts of extreme behavior. 138 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:24,540 Like the Neomugicha incident, 139 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:28,461 where a kid who had been egged on by 2channel users 140 00:10:28,544 --> 00:10:29,754 hijacked a city bus, 141 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:34,133 and he actually killed one of the passengers with a knife. 142 00:10:36,636 --> 00:10:39,597 It sparked a whole lot of debate 143 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,643 about the impact of having a totally anonymous website. 144 00:10:43,726 --> 00:10:48,606 Undoubtedly, the internet is a hotbed of crimes. 145 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:52,777 People are posting irresponsible comments because it's anonymous. 146 00:10:53,277 --> 00:10:56,238 The things that we saw happening in Japan 147 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:58,449 were about to come to the West, 148 00:10:58,532 --> 00:11:00,701 but we just didn't know it yet at the time. 149 00:11:07,249 --> 00:11:10,252 Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, otaku of all ages, 150 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:13,839 welcome to the 2005 Otakon show. 151 00:11:16,092 --> 00:11:20,054 Otakon is an anime convention that started in Baltimore. 152 00:11:20,137 --> 00:11:22,515 At the time, it was one of the largest in the country, 153 00:11:22,598 --> 00:11:26,018 and where the very first official 4chan panel happened. 154 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:31,524 Going from spending so much time on 4chan 155 00:11:31,607 --> 00:11:37,363 to being in a physical space with thousands of people was pretty surreal. 156 00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:40,700 Growing up, I lived a very sheltered life. 157 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:43,744 {\an8}I was bullied in grade school, my parents weren't supportive, 158 00:11:43,828 --> 00:11:46,872 {\an8}no one cared about what I was interested in and what I was into. 159 00:11:46,956 --> 00:11:49,834 {\an8}And I'm just like, I gotta find some way of dealing with this. 160 00:11:49,917 --> 00:11:53,129 And so, going into the anime scene was kind of an escape for me. 161 00:11:54,046 --> 00:11:57,967 I can drop the pretense. I don't have to pretend. I can be who I am. 162 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:03,889 And I actually did this whole comedy skit, 163 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:06,350 but as soon as it was over, walked all the way downstairs, 164 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:09,603 and I sat in the front row of the first 4chan panel in 2005. 165 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:12,565 This will be on BitTorrent tomorrow. 166 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:16,777 Up at the front of the room you have the 4chan guys, 167 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:21,657 who are giving this PowerPoint presentation, or trying to... 168 00:12:22,283 --> 00:12:25,995 about this new website that they'd made. 169 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:28,247 Despite everyone being completely anonymous, 170 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:31,333 it felt like there were these people that were kind of celebrities. 171 00:12:31,417 --> 00:12:34,545 It was funny because we hadn't even posted our photos before, 172 00:12:34,628 --> 00:12:36,839 no one knew what we looked like. 173 00:12:36,922 --> 00:12:39,592 {\an8}People didn't really think moot was actually a person. 174 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:40,801 Come up here. 175 00:12:40,885 --> 00:12:45,055 Moot is in this room, and he's coming up on stage right now. 176 00:12:46,098 --> 00:12:47,558 Oh my God! 177 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:50,186 That's not moot. 178 00:12:50,978 --> 00:12:52,021 Bullshit. 179 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:53,731 Hi. I'm known as moot. 180 00:12:55,357 --> 00:13:00,279 Moot was this teenage boy wearing a blue Polo shirt, with chubby cheeks, 181 00:13:00,362 --> 00:13:02,490 and a New York Yankees hat. 182 00:13:02,573 --> 00:13:04,200 I don't know what I was expecting, 183 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:07,411 but moot definitely wasn't what anyone was expecting. 184 00:13:09,246 --> 00:13:12,750 There was a little bit of a celebrity to it, you know? 185 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,794 This was moot, the guy who created 4chan. 186 00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:20,341 And then we browsed over three million pages a day, and that's a lot of porn. 187 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:22,468 Elsewhere... 188 00:13:23,677 --> 00:13:27,223 I think the most exciting thing about doing a panel with our users 189 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:30,935 was realizing that this is bigger than we thought it was. 190 00:13:31,018 --> 00:13:34,146 Wrong way! 191 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:37,900 You can see thousands of posts per day from all over the world, 192 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:41,487 but not realize how you are affecting these people. 193 00:13:43,113 --> 00:13:46,283 We weren't really seeing ourselves as anything special. 194 00:13:46,367 --> 00:13:48,494 We were just a bunch of kids having fun 195 00:13:48,577 --> 00:13:52,456 {\an8}that somehow made something that was bigger than us. 196 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:59,088 4chan establishes itself as this goofy, creative place, 197 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:00,840 and these jokes they're creating, 198 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:03,425 they start to make their way outside of 4chan. 199 00:14:03,968 --> 00:14:08,347 An early popular meme was linked to something someone really wanted to see. 200 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,728 And instead, it would link to Rick Astley singing "Never Gonna Give You Up." 201 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,873 People got "Rickrolled." 202 00:14:16,897 --> 00:14:18,566 A friend sends you a link, 203 00:14:18,649 --> 00:14:22,069 but when you click on the link, up pops this instead. 204 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:25,364 You've been Rickrolled. 205 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:29,493 We were essentially trolling people. 206 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:32,288 Trolling is like performance art. 207 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:39,253 The idea is to digitally pants someone and have everyone point and laugh. 208 00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:43,549 At least, that's the fun spirit of it. 209 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:47,887 So, they got together and wanted to do these collective pranks, 210 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,098 and they would all say, "Let's go mess with this person." 211 00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:53,142 "Let's go and ruin other websites." 212 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:57,688 Habbo Hotel was an online browser-based game. 213 00:14:57,771 --> 00:14:59,607 It was a chatroom essentially, 214 00:14:59,690 --> 00:15:03,611 but you could go to different virtual spaces. 215 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,864 There was a rumor that Habbo Hotel 216 00:15:06,947 --> 00:15:09,950 was removing users who were using Black avatars. 217 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:12,870 The 4chan users decided, 218 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:16,957 hey, we're going to create Black characters with Afros and suits, 219 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:18,584 and we're going to go en masse 220 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:22,880 onto Habbo Hotel and just block access to entire areas. 221 00:15:24,048 --> 00:15:26,592 We were blocking the entrances to the pool. 222 00:15:26,675 --> 00:15:30,638 The infamous phrase "Pool is closed due to AIDS." 223 00:15:31,555 --> 00:15:35,392 Other hijinks. We would take all of our characters and form a swastika. 224 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:39,104 Yeah, I know. We were dumb kids. 225 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:43,359 Maybe, looking back on it, it probably was not as innocent as 226 00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:45,736 people catching onto it might have assumed, 227 00:15:45,819 --> 00:15:47,237 but it didn't feel like that. 228 00:15:47,321 --> 00:15:49,281 It felt like people were just being stupid. 229 00:15:49,365 --> 00:15:53,994 But then it did start to shift to people actually, like, trolling in real life. 230 00:15:54,578 --> 00:15:58,165 My six-year-old and eight-year-old half-Black grandchildren 231 00:15:58,248 --> 00:16:00,542 are not welcome in my subdivision's pool. 232 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:03,563 Some try to explain it away as part of an internet phenomenon, 233 00:16:03,587 --> 00:16:06,090 and those who don't know of it are left out of the joke. 234 00:16:06,173 --> 00:16:07,800 Didn't feel inherently mean. 235 00:16:07,883 --> 00:16:11,345 It just felt like, okay, everyone's doing this. This is funny. 236 00:16:12,388 --> 00:16:14,390 A joke is when two people laugh. 237 00:16:14,932 --> 00:16:16,016 I'm not laughing. 238 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:17,601 During our interview, 239 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:19,728 Altorfer learned of a second flyer at the pool. 240 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:22,022 It's a picture of me with an afro? 241 00:16:22,773 --> 00:16:27,236 {\an8}And I tell myself it's just a bunch of racist, homophobic geeks. 242 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:30,155 {\an8}People started recreating Habbo Hotel in person 243 00:16:30,239 --> 00:16:32,825 and this culture spawned out of it. 244 00:16:32,908 --> 00:16:36,704 We were growing up online together, 245 00:16:36,787 --> 00:16:38,330 figuring things out. 246 00:16:38,414 --> 00:16:41,583 We didn't know necessarily what was right or wrong. 247 00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:44,586 {\an8}We didn't know what kind of culture we were building. 248 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:48,549 {\an8}We weren't really aware of those things, but we were building them. 249 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:54,388 And that became a problem for the people who ran 4chan. 250 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,267 So moot banned raids. 251 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:02,646 {\an8}We were all having so much fun, and 252 00:17:03,897 --> 00:17:06,525 it got clamped down on really quickly. 253 00:17:06,608 --> 00:17:09,778 And we weren't having any of that. 254 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:14,074 I think the Otakon meetup really inspired moot 255 00:17:14,158 --> 00:17:17,494 to try and make 4chan more of a social thing, 256 00:17:17,578 --> 00:17:19,038 like Facebook or something, 257 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:22,166 than like the anonymous culture that he began with. 258 00:17:22,249 --> 00:17:23,584 I disagreed, 259 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:27,921 we argued about it, and then I did have my server access removed by moot. 260 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:31,300 That was that. I was gone. 261 00:17:33,218 --> 00:17:35,012 Moot ain't the boss of us. 262 00:17:35,095 --> 00:17:37,639 We want to do what we want, and we're going to have some fun. 263 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:42,186 And in that moment an identity started to form. 264 00:17:42,269 --> 00:17:45,272 We all collectively started referring to ourselves, 265 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:48,859 and our merry band of chaos-stirrers... 266 00:17:48,942 --> 00:17:50,569 Anonymous. 267 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:55,866 It coalesced into an identity, ironically. 268 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:59,661 You know, you think "anonymous," you don't think of an identity, 269 00:18:00,370 --> 00:18:04,416 but an identity formed around this one single word. 270 00:18:14,676 --> 00:18:16,470 Ah-ahh. 271 00:18:31,151 --> 00:18:35,823 Habbo Hotel showed that you could enact retribution 272 00:18:35,906 --> 00:18:39,576 towards someone or something that we felt deserved it. 273 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:45,541 And this obviously attracted people that wanted to join in the fun and chaos. 274 00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:49,878 The big breakout raid. 275 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:53,966 There was a neo-Nazi radio show host. His name was Hal Turner. 276 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:56,361 {\an8}Welcome to The Hal Turner Show. 277 00:18:56,385 --> 00:19:00,305 {\an8}For some reason or another, all these lower cultures and lower races 278 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:03,475 {\an8}are more important. And I find that disgusting. 279 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:07,187 {\an8}He made himself a target just by being who he is. 280 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:08,981 He had a phone number you could call. 281 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:10,440 {\an8}Where you calling from? 282 00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:12,085 We did a lot of prank calls... 283 00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:13,360 Thomas, you're on air. 284 00:19:13,443 --> 00:19:16,780 Well, I was born and raised in West Philadelphia, 285 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:19,449 - played b-ball outside the school and all. - Right. 286 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:22,369 Just one little fight and my mom got scared, 287 00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:24,663 sent me to live with some relatives down in Bel-Air. 288 00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:28,625 And he's out of here too! Another asshole. 289 00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:30,794 ...and drove him into an absolute frenzy. 290 00:19:30,878 --> 00:19:33,189 "Hal Turner was right. I should've paid attention, 291 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:36,383 but I was too busy being a fucking moron on the radio!" 292 00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:39,052 Hal Turner Show. Who are you? Where you calling from? 293 00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:42,848 He would always react and escalate things. 294 00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:45,434 You sit there like a stupid motherfucking asshole... 295 00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:50,772 I don't want to imply that all the people that were trolling Hal Turner 296 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,733 {\an8}were anti-racists. 297 00:19:52,816 --> 00:19:55,527 {\an8}A lot of them just wanted to fuck with people. 298 00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:58,113 We trolled him mercilessly for months. 299 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:02,492 - Hello, this is Kirt. I run 420chan. - You've had a lot of fun with me. 300 00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,536 We kept his show offline for 10 weeks. 301 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:08,665 You are not going to kick me off my own server. 302 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:13,378 We hacked into his email account, found emails between him and his FBI handler, 303 00:20:14,254 --> 00:20:16,131 outed him as an informant. 304 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,259 He got ostracized from the white supremacist community, 305 00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:21,678 his wife filed for divorce... 306 00:20:21,762 --> 00:20:24,598 ...and in the end he was the one that went to jail. 307 00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:27,935 I'm in Essex County jail. Internet tough guy and all, 308 00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:30,562 {\an8}but I got to tell you, I am not cut out for where I am. 309 00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:35,567 If something drew the ire of Anonymous, it suffered. 310 00:20:43,283 --> 00:20:45,619 A lot of times when you do something groundbreaking, 311 00:20:45,702 --> 00:20:48,789 you only know it was groundbreaking when you look back at it. 312 00:20:48,872 --> 00:20:51,792 But while you're doing it, it's just the thing that's happening. 313 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:56,672 During the Hal Turner raids, I did some of the phone calls. 314 00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:58,799 The content of them, I'm not proud of anymore, 315 00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:02,552 {\an8}but at the end of the raid, you look back, and you start questioning. 316 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:04,388 {\an8}We put a white nationalist in jail. 317 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:08,558 Well, that was a good thing. What... What else can we do? 318 00:21:09,851 --> 00:21:12,896 {\an8}So, they looked for someone they can test their strength against, 319 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,607 {\an8}and they settle on the Church of Scientology. 320 00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:21,113 Scientology was a relatively new religion. 321 00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:24,992 It was started by a science fiction author, L. Ron Hubbard. 322 00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:28,537 And they used celebrities to make the church into a global powerhouse. 323 00:21:29,997 --> 00:21:33,959 There was an internal Church of Scientology video 324 00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:38,046 that leaked to the internet of Tom Cruise being over-the-top. 325 00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:42,134 There is a worldwide arena 326 00:21:42,217 --> 00:21:45,554 where the game is played for the fate of whole populations, 327 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:50,475 but there's someone advancing Scientology on a fully epic scale. 328 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:56,898 {\an8}He is IAS Freedom Medal of Valor winner Tom Cruise! 329 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:01,069 There's nothing part of the way for me. 330 00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:04,656 It's just... 331 00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:10,871 Watching this video, it's hilarious how crazy he sounds. 332 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:14,541 It was supposed to only exist in a way where it gets shown to Scientologists. 333 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:17,461 So, it's internal, and they do not want the world to see it. 334 00:22:18,086 --> 00:22:19,629 And then, all of a sudden, 335 00:22:19,713 --> 00:22:24,092 the Church of Scientology got it removed from all over the internet. 336 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:27,888 Oh, they're trying to control the flow of information on the internet? 337 00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:29,306 Oh, we can't have that. 338 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:33,060 But Scientology was not an easy target. 339 00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:35,312 Back in, I believe, 1991, 340 00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:41,860 they sued Time magazine for a article that was titled "Cult of Greed." 341 00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:45,822 And so most media were not talking about Scientology, 342 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:47,616 no matter what Scientology did wrong. 343 00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:50,660 There were rumors of people leaving the church 344 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:52,537 who were then being harassed, 345 00:22:53,288 --> 00:22:55,832 or mysteriously committing suicide. 346 00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,877 Secrecy surrounded Scientology. 347 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:02,255 So, what if we, as a group, 348 00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:06,718 could make this so outlandish and so large of a thing 349 00:23:06,802 --> 00:23:09,721 that the media would have no choice but to cover it? 350 00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:11,223 That would be a win. 351 00:23:26,446 --> 00:23:29,616 So, we uploaded the message onto YouTube, 352 00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:33,370 and went to sleep not expecting it to do too terribly much. 353 00:23:36,623 --> 00:23:41,628 {\an8}I wake up the next morning to a phone call from my girlfriend, 354 00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:43,338 {\an8}and she's like, "It's on CNN." 355 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:49,094 {\an8}So, I turn on the damn TV, and they play the video twice while I'm watching. 356 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,577 {\an8}We are Anonymous. We are legion. 357 00:23:51,638 --> 00:23:54,433 {\an8}We do not forgive. We do not forget. 358 00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:57,978 Suddenly, everyone online was expecting direction. 359 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:02,983 We came up with the name Operation Chanology. 360 00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:06,570 The idea was, they've got buildings in every major city on this planet, 361 00:24:06,653 --> 00:24:11,324 hundreds of them, so what would the internet look like if it went outside? 362 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,911 But we also needed an image that sticks with people. 363 00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:17,581 This goddamn guy. 364 00:24:19,332 --> 00:24:22,419 V for Vendetta was a hot film at the time. 365 00:24:22,502 --> 00:24:23,795 These masks were everywhere. 366 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:26,465 The aesthetic that was defined by the Habbo Hotel raids, 367 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:28,800 the suit and the tie, and the afro, 368 00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:32,721 then melded with the Guy Fawkes mask. 369 00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:40,562 We assumed that worldwide 200 people would show up outside. 370 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,858 We start watching Sydney, the first city to go live. 371 00:24:44,941 --> 00:24:48,570 And within an hour, there's 200 people on the ground there. 372 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,032 {\an8}Then Perth and Adelaide and Melbourne, and all them start going. 373 00:24:52,115 --> 00:24:56,161 We thought, 'cause they were smaller than Sydney, we would end up with 20 people. 374 00:24:56,244 --> 00:24:57,662 No, they all get hundreds. 375 00:24:57,746 --> 00:25:02,709 {\an8}By the time we get to Germany, we're up over like 4,000 people. 376 00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,878 So, we're just losing our minds. 377 00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:08,215 We're here with a protester. He's known as... 378 00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:09,174 Anonymous. 379 00:25:09,257 --> 00:25:13,220 A web-based group called Anonymous has been picketing and protesting 380 00:25:13,303 --> 00:25:16,223 in front of the Church of Scientology in Boston and elsewhere. 381 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:19,392 The virtual protest came to life in cities around the world. 382 00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:22,771 And today, dozens of those people put on masks in downtown Toronto 383 00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:24,147 in an unusual standoff. 384 00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:28,777 {\an8}Their goal is to shut down what they call a cult of misinformation and greed. 385 00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:33,031 We are Anonymous. We are legion. Expect us! 386 00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:35,534 Expect us! 387 00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,703 By the end of the day, we're counting somewhere near 10,000 people 388 00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:40,956 have shown up worldwide to our protests. 389 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,666 ♪ Never gonna give you up ♪ 390 00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:45,085 {\an8}♪ Never gonna let you down ♪ 391 00:25:45,168 --> 00:25:48,672 Anonymous was, from that point forward, 392 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,009 a globally recognized force for good. 393 00:25:56,471 --> 00:25:57,639 {\an8}That's absurd, right? 394 00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:01,560 Like, this weird anime website that kind of morphs into this other thing 395 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,563 decided to have a semi-ironic street protest against, like, 396 00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:07,440 a celebrity science-fiction cult. 397 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:15,824 {\an8}Chanology really showed an entire generation of people that 398 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:18,034 you could organize something anonymously 399 00:26:18,118 --> 00:26:20,078 that would have a real-world effect. 400 00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:24,374 Putting forward an idea online, 401 00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:27,294 having it manifest in the world, 402 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:29,796 it's a powerful feeling. 403 00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:32,215 You start to enjoy the feeling 404 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,885 of inflicting that pain that you feel on others. 405 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:39,514 It's a way to escape it, to take control of it. 406 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,267 It's ultimately harmful to everyone. 407 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:46,187 Things started out very centralized, 408 00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:47,939 and then after Chanology 409 00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:52,277 it became a formless, shapeless beast. 410 00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:56,615 For a while, in the invasion community, 411 00:26:56,698 --> 00:27:01,578 I was perhaps one of the only voices who would chime in every now and then and go... 412 00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:10,321 We were just trying to have fun, have our kicks. 413 00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:14,215 All these rah-rah good guys and stuff. No, we are not good fucking people. 414 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,343 We are goddamn monsters... 415 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:24,643 So, at the same time that they're doing these very earnest protests, 416 00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:28,188 they're still spinning these crazy nihilistic pranks on the world. 417 00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,273 They post on Oprah's message board. 418 00:27:30,357 --> 00:27:33,193 Let me read you something that was posted on our message boards 419 00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:36,613 from someone who claims to be a member of a known pedophile network. 420 00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:40,575 Oprah reads that to her entire audience of seven million moms. 421 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,202 He doesn't forgive. 422 00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:43,161 He does not forget. 423 00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:47,540 His group has over 9,000 penises, and they're all raping children. 424 00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,334 It's grotesque, right? 425 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,046 People were just being shitty, being mean, 426 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:54,756 just for the fun of it, 427 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:59,010 and trying to take it to its limits. 428 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:01,638 I will readily admit I was one of those people. 429 00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:05,809 {\an8}It's just jokes. It's just edgy, subversive humor. 430 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,897 If you were in on the joke, you were just laughing your ass off. 431 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,361 So, Anonymous really kind of splits in these two directions. 432 00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:19,614 Half the group goes off and becomes genuine activists, 433 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,491 and the irony melts away there. 434 00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:26,287 And there's a section of Anonymous that wants to be trolls still. 435 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,292 - Ooh. - ♪ Give you up ♪ 436 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,212 Otakon felt so different. 437 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,506 The community was so much bigger. 438 00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:40,176 - The best day of my life. - Look at all these costumes. 439 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:46,516 Instead of anime characters, you had people dressed up as memes from 4chan. 440 00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:49,477 4chan's where it's at, man. 441 00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,938 Fuck you! 442 00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,941 I was asked to host a panel. 443 00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:58,695 I'm friends with moot. I just was folded into the entourage. 444 00:28:58,778 --> 00:29:01,656 - Any last words? - We're gonna have a great time today. 445 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,909 - All right, we'll take another question. - Hi, come on up here. 446 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:08,329 I'm looking around, and I'm like, yeah, these are my people, 447 00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,665 but there's something wrong with this. 448 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:15,003 Aw! 449 00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:22,343 Kids literally started throwing Sig Heils, like, in real life. 450 00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:25,096 For the most part, we just kind of brushed it off. 451 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,389 These are the few. 452 00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:29,100 Maybe, they don't necessarily represent all of us. 453 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:35,899 People felt more comfortable doing or saying stuff than they had previously. 454 00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,487 Saying racially charged things, just incredibly offensive stuff. 455 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:42,947 Because they feel comfortable with their little group, 456 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:45,033 they feel like maybe there's no consequence. 457 00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:49,162 If I could go back in time, and if you had told me that, 458 00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:51,331 "You're walking through this anime convention, 459 00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:54,334 and this is a pivot point upon which history will turn." 460 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:58,922 Now, looking back at it, it feels like a premonition. 461 00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:04,719 It was very stark contrast to all the goodness that you saw, 462 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:07,472 the community, the friendship you saw at the convention. 463 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:12,143 It made it more apparent that there was some bad things happening 464 00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,896 and it was leaking over into the real world. 465 00:30:15,396 --> 00:30:17,065 On the first day, 466 00:30:17,148 --> 00:30:19,275 moot created 4chan... 467 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,613 ...and said, "Lo, this is 4chan, bringer of pain." 468 00:30:23,696 --> 00:30:24,948 Hallelujah! 469 00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:31,788 On the second day, moot created Anonymous. 470 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,962 I had to make a decision as to whether I was going to participate or not. 471 00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:42,382 And me being part of this is endorsing it, it's making it okay, 472 00:30:42,465 --> 00:30:44,300 and I don't want it to be okay. 473 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:46,261 Thank you, Will. 474 00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:49,430 I stopped going to conventions. I stopped cosplaying. 475 00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:53,309 The long and short of this is that I had to grow up. 476 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:58,147 There was a huge shift in, like, the greater part of the community 477 00:30:58,231 --> 00:31:01,067 felt more like it was... 478 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:02,193 just trolling. 479 00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:04,737 Rape train! Rape train! 480 00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:08,366 It started to kind of outweigh the funny stuff. 481 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:11,452 It was kind of scary, honestly. 482 00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:24,048 The older I got, the more mature I got, 483 00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:28,303 I became interested in disturbing the balance of power. 484 00:31:31,681 --> 00:31:34,225 You know, my hope was that 485 00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:38,062 this force would be able to be wielded 486 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:39,689 for good. 487 00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:49,240 As this sort of decentralized, anti-establishment collective is growing, 488 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,534 the political landscape is changing. 489 00:31:51,618 --> 00:31:55,288 Obama came in promising hope and change, 490 00:31:55,371 --> 00:31:57,206 but he didn't really deliver on that. 491 00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:01,461 So, that expectation that wars would end, 492 00:32:01,544 --> 00:32:03,671 that Wall Street would get punished, 493 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:07,300 that something would happen, melts into resentment. 494 00:32:07,884 --> 00:32:11,012 That's the moment people say, "Now we have to go outside the system." 495 00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:18,603 You started to see a lot more people support the idea 496 00:32:18,686 --> 00:32:21,230 of vigilante justice online. 497 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,984 We could actually get some change done if we wanted it. 498 00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:26,736 We had a hand to play in this. 499 00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:36,371 The hand we thought we had was destructive. 500 00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:39,999 We thought we were going to just start laying waste to the things that existed 501 00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,670 in order to force them to build something else up in the ruins. 502 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:48,925 And Occupy Wall Street seemed like a vehicle for that. 503 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,976 {\an8}Occupy Wall Street was being pushed by a group out of New York, 504 00:32:58,059 --> 00:32:59,644 and it wasn't going anywhere. 505 00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:03,606 They were gathering in Zuccotti Park to protest. 506 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,525 They wanted to take on the financial industry, 507 00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:08,069 and get some of these people arrested who deserved it. 508 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:12,365 We stepped up with the large megaphone that we had and said 509 00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,617 {\an8}Anonymous is standing behind these people. 510 00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:17,036 {\an8}We started putting out material for it. 511 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,832 {\an8}The media were like, "Great, Anonymous is involved. Now we'll talk about it." 512 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:24,836 We begin this morning with the protest movement that began near Wall Street 513 00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:27,046 - and is gaining strength. - Anonymous. 514 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:29,465 Now, they're evolving into this movement of social change. 515 00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:32,552 A real driving force behind the Wall Street occupiers. 516 00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:35,948 - Tell me what democracy looks like! - This is what democracy looks like! 517 00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:40,268 Right off the rip, Occupy Wall Street was a big hit with Anonymous. 518 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:44,772 It was regular people occupying public space. 519 00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:49,819 {\an8}It's an attractive story for the media to see a vigilante group 520 00:33:49,902 --> 00:33:52,530 {\an8}that can't be identified, can't be tracked down, 521 00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:55,158 but anyone can be in Anonymous. 522 00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:56,659 People have had it. 523 00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:59,954 They know that their country is headed in the wrong direction. 524 00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:05,293 It felt like there was no way to say what Occupy Wall Street was saying. 525 00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:08,838 That these big power structures that are over people's heads, 526 00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:12,050 that no one really likes, there are actually ways to attack them. 527 00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:15,053 Maybe there's ways to dismantle them. Anonymous was part of that. 528 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:19,640 Today thousands of union workers marched in solidarity. 529 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:24,103 It's in every US state and more than 100 cities. 530 00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:28,691 It was a global effort, and a lot of people were riding that wave. 531 00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:32,236 We are the 99%! 532 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,948 I was watching the live streams constantly. 533 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:37,241 Tax the rich! 534 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:40,953 The energy around Occupy 535 00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:45,041 definitely made people feel like a change could be around the corner. 536 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:59,806 And the response by the state was as aggressive as possible. 537 00:34:59,889 --> 00:35:04,185 {\an8}Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! 538 00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:08,815 If you refuse to leave the park, you'll be subject to arrest. 539 00:35:09,732 --> 00:35:12,276 {\an8}The state felt they had to destroy them, 540 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,696 and really rip apart that idea, which they perceived as a threat. 541 00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:20,284 They're treating us like we're some kind of violent people. 542 00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:23,412 This is so sad. This is America. 543 00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:41,013 It was a period of time when I think the world was in uproar. 544 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,558 {\an8}I'd heard about it and the things Anonymous had done. 545 00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:47,395 {\an8}And so I wanted to be there to offer my experience and skills. 546 00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:51,607 But I was just kind of attracted to hacking 'cause it was anti-authoritarian, 547 00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:54,193 and those ideals kind of spoke to me. 548 00:35:57,113 --> 00:36:00,616 Because the police brutally repressed these protest movements in the streets, 549 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:04,203 I escalated things a little bit by going after the police and government. 550 00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:08,416 A group of online pranksters has embarked on a type of hacking payback. 551 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:10,751 Retaliation for what it called brutality 552 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:13,254 against Occupy Wall Street protesters. 553 00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:15,631 To be honest, there's a point in time when I had 554 00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,550 more targets than the time to work with. 555 00:36:17,633 --> 00:36:19,903 Hacking the Baldwin County Sheriff's Office... 556 00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:22,054 {\an8}DPS breached by a group of hackers... 557 00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:25,516 {\an8}A notorious hacking group has targeted Rupert Murdoch's newspapers. 558 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,312 They were just having a good time doing these high-profile crimes. 559 00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:32,106 {\an8}The CIA's website, for the US Senate's website... 560 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:36,569 Law enforcement websites in Birmingham, Boston, were also hacked. 561 00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,506 There was kind of, like, "I have nothing to lose." 562 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:43,284 {\an8}They were able to take down FBI.gov for a brief period of time. 563 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,661 Now Anonymous is taking a victory lap. 564 00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:51,083 I was hacking at night, and then waking up and going to work and school. 565 00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:54,420 We had the momentum and the power. 566 00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:56,047 We were in control. 567 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:59,550 The agents didn't know there was a third party on the line. 568 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,553 The target of the call, Anonymous, was listening in. 569 00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:05,556 I would be happy taking down the entire system. 570 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,016 Burn it all to the ground. 571 00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:08,851 It seems that a week doesn't go by 572 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:12,104 without a significant story about hacking or cyberattacks. 573 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:14,398 And the Pentagon is now singling out Anonymous 574 00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:18,486 as an example of the serious new cyber threats facing the country. 575 00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:24,033 This one night, it's like 3:00 in the morning. 576 00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:29,997 And all of a sudden, I got a private message... 577 00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,876 from an alias of Jeremy Hammond. 578 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:36,712 He had a sense of urgency. 579 00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:40,216 He needed help with hacks 580 00:37:40,299 --> 00:37:44,387 and was literally giving me specific targets to go after 581 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:49,767 and giving me all the information I needed to compromise those targets. 582 00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:52,228 Which is kind of unheard of. 583 00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,438 It's like somebody giving you the keys to a car 584 00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:56,565 and saying, "Hey, can you steal this car for me?" 585 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,028 It was unlike any kind of conversation that we had 586 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,655 prior to this point. 587 00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:04,991 That left me feeling very uneasy. 588 00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:10,621 The next morning, 589 00:38:11,163 --> 00:38:14,417 I had an opening shift at my job, 590 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,586 and I get a text message from a friend of mine. 591 00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:21,048 A news story had just dropped. 592 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:23,759 Some members of the computer-hacking organization 593 00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:25,761 known as Anonymous are no longer anonymous. 594 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,723 Jeremy Hammond is one of five suspected hackers 595 00:38:28,806 --> 00:38:30,016 arrested by the FBI. 596 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:34,562 They had been watching me, like, come and go out of my apartment. 597 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:38,050 Hammond was arrested at his Bridgeport home. 598 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:40,651 He remembers smoking marijuana with friends 599 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:44,155 when heavily armed federal agents tossed in a flashbang grenade. 600 00:38:45,364 --> 00:38:49,118 They are already in the front door. They were also busting in my window. 601 00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:52,038 The cops were definitely looking for my laptop. 602 00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:54,749 They wanted to seize my laptop while it was running, 603 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,752 and I had it set up to where if you close the lid of the laptop, 604 00:38:57,835 --> 00:38:59,337 it would require a password. 605 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:01,047 So that would deter them from being 606 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,424 able to recover the contents of my hard drive. 607 00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:09,096 So, I walked two steps towards my computer and shut the laptop just in time. 608 00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:13,142 I was scared for myself. 609 00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:18,356 I realized that it wasn't Jeremy that was messaging me, 610 00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:22,234 it was the FBI, and they were trying to entrap me. 611 00:39:25,571 --> 00:39:30,785 When I got home, I immediately started wiping all of my hard drives. 612 00:39:32,203 --> 00:39:33,704 And left the next day. 613 00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:39,543 I have nothing to do with any of this, but I freaked out, 614 00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:43,589 and anything that I could find on the first five to ten pages of Google, 615 00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,049 I blew it all away. 616 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:49,303 If there was a Wiki article that named me, I wiped it. 617 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,141 That's the moment that I made myself disappear. 618 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:58,854 Tried to bury the past as much as I could. 619 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,275 Just completely exited that world. 620 00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,821 For a long, long, long time. 621 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,542 The FBI effectively broke up that group. 622 00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:26,799 And when they did that, the Anonymous bubble collapsed. 623 00:40:32,179 --> 00:40:35,599 Unfortunately, they brute forced the password to my laptop. 624 00:40:36,475 --> 00:40:37,601 It took them six months. 625 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:42,565 My password was named after my cat. Chewy12345. It was at least 10 characters. 626 00:40:43,566 --> 00:40:46,652 In the end, I was sentenced to 10 years, the statutory maximum. 627 00:40:46,735 --> 00:40:49,655 Those who wrote letters, visited, attended court dates, 628 00:40:49,738 --> 00:40:51,550 I appreciate you. 629 00:40:51,574 --> 00:40:54,869 There was definitely this feeling of disappointment. 630 00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:59,540 You know? I mean, I think a lot of us had high hopes for Anonymous 631 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:02,084 and what could come next. 632 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,675 I spent the next months, uh, on trains, 633 00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,511 Greyhound buses, 634 00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:15,806 taxis going all over the country. 635 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:20,811 I was afraid to talk to my friends and family because that might lead to me 636 00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:22,438 being compromised in some way. 637 00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:26,817 It was one of the loneliest experiences I've had in my life. 638 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:31,572 After Anonymous left 4chan, 639 00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:34,116 the people who were left there 640 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,996 were a great deal of young people who were more despairing than ever. 641 00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:50,257 4chan was appealing because I was very angry at my living situation. 642 00:41:52,468 --> 00:41:55,846 {\an8}It was a place where there were a lot of very angry kids, for many reasons, 643 00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:57,139 {\an8}and angry adults too. 644 00:41:57,223 --> 00:42:00,142 {\an8}And the board became, like, depression central. 645 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:04,021 We're all kind of losers, right? 646 00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:06,750 That doesn't have to be such a bad thing 647 00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:09,360 and you can kind of make a community out of that. 648 00:42:09,443 --> 00:42:13,906 You started to see users one-upping each other 649 00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,325 in terms of who has it worse in life. 650 00:42:17,743 --> 00:42:21,413 I felt like I could usually win those, even though I was pretty young, 651 00:42:21,497 --> 00:42:23,499 because I have this crippling disease. 652 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:31,632 That feeling of powerlessness that launched Occupy Wall Street, 653 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:32,967 that didn't go away. 654 00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:38,472 It just sunk into this new, dark, 655 00:42:39,598 --> 00:42:40,975 nihilistic place. 656 00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:00,995 One of the things that I really liked about going on 4chan was that 657 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:02,705 I was not supposed to be there. 658 00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:06,667 {\an8}Both culturally, it was sort of designed to repel me, 659 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:09,086 {\an8}and, literally, they said there were no women there. 660 00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:14,592 These young men were experiencing 661 00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:17,011 this profound mass alienation, 662 00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:21,807 and coping with it through extreme humor and sexual and violent imagery. 663 00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:24,685 It became really clear that 664 00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:29,231 there was a desire to cultivate a space that was hostile to women. 665 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,323 At the time, I was a full-time journalist writing about the world of video games. 666 00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:39,241 A game developer called Zoë Quinn 667 00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:42,119 had made an independent game on living with depression. 668 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:43,871 Depression Quest. 669 00:43:43,954 --> 00:43:48,375 It was a text-based game that didn't have conventional production values. 670 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,338 The game made Zoë controversial as a developer because Zoë was, like, 671 00:43:52,421 --> 00:43:56,342 bringing new voices and new subject matter to the world of video games. 672 00:43:56,425 --> 00:44:01,013 A little while later, Zoë had a disgruntled ex-boyfriend 673 00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:03,724 publish a blog post 674 00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:08,020 about Zoë having a relationship with a games journalist. 675 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:10,898 I thought that can't possibly be controversial. 676 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,151 But some gamers seized on this blog post 677 00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:19,031 as evidence of a conspiracy that women and gender minorities 678 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,617 were ruining the video games industry. 679 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,411 Depression Quest. 680 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,914 It's developed by some dumb bitch named Zoë Quinn, 681 00:44:26,997 --> 00:44:30,417 who had to fuck five guys in gaming media to get positive reviews. 682 00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:33,087 Hey, there's plenty of stupid bitches like her. 683 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:35,923 That games journalist had never covered Zoë's work. 684 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:40,344 {\an8}This conspiracy became a harassment campaign against Zoë, 685 00:44:40,427 --> 00:44:42,805 against female video games journalists, 686 00:44:42,888 --> 00:44:46,350 and against anyone who spoke out against the harassment. 687 00:44:46,975 --> 00:44:50,688 They said, you know, "It's about ethics in video games journalism," 688 00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:51,771 and it wasn't. 689 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:57,403 {\an8}They were just trying to find a rationale that explains their disenfranchisement. 690 00:44:57,486 --> 00:45:03,075 {\an8}Zoë Quinn, you are the stupidest person alive. 691 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:07,079 {\an8}There was this sentiment that women are coming to take our toys away. 692 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:10,541 This one place where it's supposed to be safe to be a dork, 693 00:45:10,624 --> 00:45:12,710 is now under attack by women. 694 00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:17,047 GamerGate. It's a story about sexism in the world of video gaming. 695 00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:20,259 Bomb threats, rape threats, even death threats. 696 00:45:20,342 --> 00:45:24,763 It was nothing but trying to get me to kill myself. 697 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,224 Trying to get people to hurt me. 698 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,479 {\an8}GamerGate is a war on women in this industry. 699 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,315 {\an8}Ethics in journalism is not what's happening in any way. 700 00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:39,778 It's actually men going after women in really hostile, aggressive ways. 701 00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:41,196 That's what GamerGate is about. 702 00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:50,998 GamerGate established 4chan as this place of extreme and misogynistic behavior. 703 00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:55,169 And moot was obviously very troubled by this. 704 00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:59,506 He had sort of evolved from that kid with the baseball cap 705 00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:02,342 hiding behind his laptop at Otakon, 706 00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:05,179 into a sort of internet celebrity. 707 00:46:05,721 --> 00:46:07,306 You still live at home, right? 708 00:46:07,389 --> 00:46:09,433 I actually moved out recently. 709 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,185 That's very cool. 710 00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:15,022 Once GamerGate occurred on the chans, moot decided to ban it. 711 00:46:16,064 --> 00:46:17,566 Moot said to the GamerGate coalition, 712 00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,409 "You're not allowed to talk about this here." 713 00:46:20,402 --> 00:46:22,242 Having seen the Scientology movement, 714 00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:27,159 movements that grow out of chan boards tend to be right in the end. 715 00:46:27,242 --> 00:46:29,995 It was like this infallible belief that I had. 716 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:32,456 So, when GamerGate happened... 717 00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:36,627 I was definitely a sympathetic audience. 718 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,714 So, after Chris Poole banned GamerGate, 719 00:46:41,298 --> 00:46:44,760 there were a bunch of users that wanted to still talk about it. 720 00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:48,305 They searched on Google "alternatives to 4chan." 721 00:46:48,388 --> 00:46:51,600 They eventually got to, like, page three, which had... 722 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:05,781 8chan, before GamerGate, only had like 100 posts a day. 723 00:47:05,864 --> 00:47:11,912 But after, we had some days where we were getting 7,000 posts in an hour. 724 00:47:13,288 --> 00:47:16,959 Fredrick, you and 8chan are being likened to a hate group. 725 00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:18,544 How do you answer to that? 726 00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:21,547 Someone made a GamerGate board on 8chan, 727 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,341 but it was not founded for the purpose of GamerGate, 728 00:47:24,424 --> 00:47:27,511 {\an8}and it will be around long after GamerGate is over. 729 00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:30,722 The only sources that were taking GamerGate seriously 730 00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:33,684 were very far right sources. Like Breitbart. 731 00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:35,435 Breitbart News, 732 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,731 a bomb-throwing site favored by the so-called alt-right. 733 00:47:39,815 --> 00:47:45,112 A mixture of conservatives and populists, white supremacists, and anti-Semites. 734 00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:49,533 Milo Yiannopoulos wrote a whole bunch of articles about GamerGate. 735 00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:51,593 Every community on the internet, 736 00:47:51,618 --> 00:47:56,331 {\an8}4chan, Reddit, or whatever, has a dog in the fight in GamerGate. 737 00:47:56,415 --> 00:47:59,001 Conservatives have missed a huge cultural opportunity. 738 00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:02,713 He knew he was writing this stuff to, like, a 4chan audience. 739 00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:05,757 These gamers were being courted. 740 00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:10,095 Like, "Yes, you are disenfranchised and, yes, women are taking your toys away." 741 00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:14,683 "And, you know, that's happening to us at all levels of government as well." 742 00:48:14,766 --> 00:48:17,144 {\an8}Steve Bannon, the owner and publisher of Breitbart, 743 00:48:17,227 --> 00:48:19,563 {\an8}who later became part of the Trump administration, 744 00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:23,901 now understands this group of young, disenfranchised men, 745 00:48:23,984 --> 00:48:25,986 who are angry, who are unhappy, 746 00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:28,196 and he says, "They come in through GamerGate, 747 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,866 then we get them turned on to Trump." That was his idea. 748 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:37,664 I will never let you be the forgotten people again. 749 00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:39,124 We're the forgotten people. 750 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,711 I will never let you down. 751 00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:45,672 I promise. I will never ever let you down. 752 00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:55,223 {\an8}What would America look like with an ascendant alt-right? 753 00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:57,100 {\an8}With a Trump in the White House 754 00:48:57,184 --> 00:48:59,895 {\an8}and a Mr. Bannon as the chief of staff, and...? 755 00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:02,230 {\an8}It would be so much more fun. 756 00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:05,734 {\an8}It would be full of joy and mischief and laughter and memes. 757 00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:06,817 {\an8}More spontaneous. 758 00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:10,280 {\an8}Steve Bannon knew a good thing when he saw it. 759 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:14,660 {\an8}And by activating what he called the "rootless white males," 760 00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:17,037 in his own words, of 4chan, 761 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040 he turned them into a political force to be reckoned with. 762 00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:24,795 It played out this way in Japan back in 2002, 763 00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:31,134 with these politicized 2channel users known as the Net Right, 764 00:49:31,218 --> 00:49:37,432 who felt that their own country wasn't doing enough to make Japan great again. 765 00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:41,687 What are 4chan and 8chan doing to promote Trump? 766 00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,981 They're doing the same thing Anonymous was doing. 767 00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:48,610 Mass pranks, spinning misinformation into the news cycle, 768 00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:51,446 like rumors that Hillary Clinton is sick. 769 00:49:52,406 --> 00:49:53,949 And they're making memes. 770 00:49:56,576 --> 00:50:00,163 Which then spread off the chans into the mainstream narrative. 771 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:04,167 These radicalized young men know that they can poison that well 772 00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:07,337 and spread all this stuff downstream in the culture. 773 00:50:07,421 --> 00:50:09,172 {\an8}That's what 4chan was always doing, 774 00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:11,299 {\an8}but now it was getting more toxic than ever. 775 00:50:12,467 --> 00:50:15,929 While this is happening, what is happening on the rest of the internet? 776 00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:18,765 Everyone's experience on the internet 777 00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:22,978 is a monetized corporate form of 4chan. 778 00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:25,856 But it's more dangerous than 4chan 779 00:50:25,939 --> 00:50:30,152 because these newer sites are better at boosting whatever content 780 00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:33,196 will make people stay on the site longer. 781 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:39,745 What drives user-base numbers and revenue is anger. 782 00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:45,333 So, Facebook or Twitter is making more money 783 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:49,046 as users are getting angrier and becoming glued to the screen. 784 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:54,551 And so, as the internet gets 4chan-ified, it's easier than ever 785 00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:57,971 to make really dark, disgusting or screwed up things, 786 00:50:58,055 --> 00:51:02,726 {\an8}and they can let it spawn in that environment until it spreads everywhere. 787 00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:03,809 {\an8}Go ahead. 788 00:51:06,938 --> 00:51:11,943 The Fox News decision desk has called Donald Trump 789 00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:15,572 the 45th president of the United States, 790 00:51:15,655 --> 00:51:20,660 winning the most surreal election we have ever seen. 791 00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:35,467 With moot, I did find it really funny that when we all started to leave 792 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:39,137 and all he was left with was the Nazis... that he quit. 793 00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:42,099 Having an angry mob of 25 million people 794 00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:45,310 who disagree with everything you do is never very fun. 795 00:51:45,393 --> 00:51:46,895 It's not even that I'm burnt out. 796 00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:51,483 It's that I've probably gone through like five burnouts at this point. 797 00:51:53,026 --> 00:51:58,198 He had founded 4chan as this haven for people who loved stuff from Japan, 798 00:51:58,281 --> 00:52:00,700 and who loved internet hijinks. 799 00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:02,911 He wasn't in it for politics. 800 00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:06,164 Moot is exasperated, 801 00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:09,626 and he announces that he's leaving the site. 802 00:52:10,418 --> 00:52:11,753 His parting advice 803 00:52:11,837 --> 00:52:14,631 is that you shouldn't actually be on the internet that much. 804 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:19,010 He says, go out and live your life. There's now a meme for it, "touch grass." 805 00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:23,390 For people who are angry on the internet, I really, truly hope that 806 00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:27,144 you one day find the beauty in not allowing strangers 807 00:52:27,227 --> 00:52:29,067 and things outside your control to rile you up. 808 00:52:29,104 --> 00:52:33,108 I'm sure you'll add a few extra years to your life by keeping your heart rate down. 809 00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:40,365 But the user base, I think, wanted to drag the site in another direction. 810 00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:46,413 After Trump wins the election, 811 00:52:46,496 --> 00:52:52,043 the people on 4chan and 8chan spreading viral misinformation feel empowered. 812 00:52:52,127 --> 00:52:54,254 It worked, so they keep doing it. 813 00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:03,346 After it happened and Trump became president, 814 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:05,140 I was totally shocked. 815 00:53:08,101 --> 00:53:10,478 {\an8}I was reading the New York Times. 816 00:53:10,562 --> 00:53:13,648 {\an8}They projected Hillary at 90-something-percent to win. 817 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,612 No one thought this could happen from the very beginning, 818 00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:19,905 and it did. 819 00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,535 {\an8}At the time, I was a freshman in New York City. 820 00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:28,997 I did swing left. Really far left. 821 00:53:30,165 --> 00:53:31,416 They were painting Trump out 822 00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:35,295 like he was going to be some second coming of Hitler. 823 00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:42,010 {\an8}To someone as ignorant as I was at 18, 19, believing that stuff was horrifying. 824 00:53:42,928 --> 00:53:46,014 On Election Day, my friends are like, "We're doing this march." 825 00:53:46,097 --> 00:53:47,515 "We're going to Trump Tower." 826 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,100 {\an8}Fuck your wall! 827 00:53:49,184 --> 00:53:50,560 {\an8}It was all-out madness. 828 00:53:50,644 --> 00:53:53,104 Fuck Donald Trump! Fuck Donald Trump! 829 00:53:53,188 --> 00:53:54,898 People yelling and screaming. 830 00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:57,692 New York hates you! New York hates you! 831 00:53:57,776 --> 00:53:59,819 It was just total rage. 832 00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:01,029 Set it on fire! 833 00:54:01,112 --> 00:54:02,572 Let it all burn! 834 00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:05,033 {\an8}Being in that mob, it was so hateful, 835 00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:08,119 and it sort of hit me like a wrecking ball all at once, 836 00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:11,998 realizing, like, hey, this isn't what I signed up for. 837 00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:14,584 - Whose streets? - Our streets! 838 00:54:14,668 --> 00:54:18,088 There was a shift, and a lot of it had to do with 839 00:54:18,171 --> 00:54:20,757 just being extremely curious. 840 00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:26,263 When you're that young, you want to change the world. 841 00:54:26,346 --> 00:54:29,557 It's that same thing of, like, this country is corrupt 842 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:31,977 and something needs to be done about it. 843 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:34,396 With Trump, we have this new guy in charge saying, 844 00:54:34,479 --> 00:54:36,398 "We're going to drain the swamp." 845 00:54:37,023 --> 00:54:39,484 We're gonna drain the swamp of Washington. 846 00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:42,654 We're gonna have fun doing it. We're all doing it together. 847 00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:46,574 It gave people some sort of hope that the world could change. 848 00:54:48,868 --> 00:54:52,372 A lot of Trump's mega fans felt that when he was in the White House, 849 00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:57,585 he would have some kind of clandestine plan 850 00:54:57,669 --> 00:54:59,879 to bring all these people to justice. 851 00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:03,425 But that hope of a radical change 852 00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:06,761 {\an8}that had been promised repeatedly 853 00:55:06,845 --> 00:55:09,931 {\an8}never seemed to happen or come into fruition. 854 00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:15,645 That's when one of the early Q posts came up on my radar. 855 00:55:17,814 --> 00:55:20,608 Someone with the name Q put out a post, 856 00:55:20,692 --> 00:55:23,945 and it would have the same phrase Trump would tweet ten minutes later. 857 00:55:25,905 --> 00:55:29,075 Like, how did they predict President Trump's Twitter? 858 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:30,702 That's just, like, nuts. 859 00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:33,705 So, it's like, "Let's just show this to people. This is crazy." 860 00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:36,416 This was posted in 4chan. 861 00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:38,835 So, Q posted the triple-plus, 862 00:55:38,918 --> 00:55:44,007 and Donald Trump, seven minutes later, tweeted the triple-plus. 863 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:45,633 So we know for a fact that Q is real. 864 00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:47,802 And within, you know, a day or two, 865 00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:53,308 I have 20,000 views, a flood of comments that are all positive. 866 00:55:53,391 --> 00:55:56,644 And it's just this whirlwind of, like... 867 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,480 "What did I just do?" 868 00:55:58,563 --> 00:56:00,940 You know? "What have I stumbled on?" 869 00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:04,986 The whole idea was, like, 870 00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:09,115 "There's this person on the inside who's sort of leaving us breadcrumbs." 871 00:56:12,285 --> 00:56:14,871 So, he's giving us breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs. 872 00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:18,124 {\an8}I'm giving you all my breadcrumbs, the whole entire way. 873 00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:20,752 And it's like, you guys aren't getting the real story. 874 00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:23,088 {\an8}Here's what's going on behind the scenes. 875 00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:26,966 {\an8}Trump wanted people to think that he had a plan. 876 00:56:27,884 --> 00:56:32,347 He set people up to feel like this kind of person would emerge. 877 00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:36,393 This is his team here. I'm guessing Q is one of these people. 878 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:39,687 We have Kushner here, but look at all the thumbs. 879 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:43,483 All the thumbs up, they connect to make an actual Q. 880 00:56:43,566 --> 00:56:45,110 So that was the first hint we got. 881 00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:50,073 The YouTube channel was growing like wildfire. 882 00:56:50,698 --> 00:56:53,159 This never happened in the history of the world, 883 00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,620 and it's all happening because of the internet. 884 00:56:55,703 --> 00:56:58,415 Share the stream, tweet it out, do whatever you want to do. 885 00:56:58,498 --> 00:57:00,917 Spread the information, that's what QAnon asks us to do. 886 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,171 Q is a patriot. We know that for sure. 887 00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,841 Many of the things that he has 888 00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:13,138 {\an8}given clues about and talked about on 4chan and other forums, 889 00:57:13,221 --> 00:57:15,515 {\an8}um, have really proven to be true. 890 00:57:15,598 --> 00:57:19,519 There was a curious sight at last night's Trump rally in Tampa. 891 00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:21,855 The letter Q was everywhere. 892 00:57:21,938 --> 00:57:24,399 What was once a baseless conspiracy theory 893 00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:27,110 has become a mainstream online cult. 894 00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:28,987 Q is about getting to the truth. 895 00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:32,198 He knows a lot of the secrets that they have, 896 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:34,367 and that's why he's such a threat to them. 897 00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:38,788 The information he has given us has been extraordinary. 898 00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:42,041 {\an8}It was a very diverse group, 899 00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,086 {\an8}but ultimately, they're just normal people. 900 00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:48,381 You know? They have jobs, they have kids, they have families. 901 00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:50,216 They're... They're working people. 902 00:57:52,594 --> 00:57:56,598 When you talk to people who support QAnon, 903 00:57:56,681 --> 00:57:59,726 they need some way of expressing 904 00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:02,937 that they got the short end of the stick. 905 00:58:03,771 --> 00:58:07,775 You have an elite group of people getting richer and richer using mainstream media 906 00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:10,445 to say, "Everything's fine. Don't worry about it." 907 00:58:10,528 --> 00:58:12,614 "I know life is getting tougher for you." 908 00:58:12,697 --> 00:58:14,616 "That's the truth. We represent the truth." 909 00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:17,702 Well, what happens is people begin to hate the truth. 910 00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:22,790 And they end up doing the same thing that 4chan people did. 911 00:58:22,874 --> 00:58:26,044 They start falling into the internet, falling into fantasy. 912 00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:28,870 Those smart people at the top, 913 00:58:28,922 --> 00:58:31,090 they're using the truth to beat me over the head. 914 00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:33,301 So, I'll invent my own truth. 915 00:58:33,384 --> 00:58:36,179 It doesn't have to be true, it just has to feel right. 916 00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:41,518 And little by little, that quote, unquote "truth" just sounded deranged. 917 00:58:42,101 --> 00:58:45,355 If you're not familiar with the conspiracy theory, it goes like this. 918 00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:48,983 They think that President Trump is engaged in a secret war 919 00:58:49,067 --> 00:58:52,820 against Satanic pedophiles in the Democratic Party and Hollywood. 920 00:58:53,321 --> 00:58:56,991 Hillary Clinton is a Luciferian, Satanist, and so are the Rothschilds. 921 00:58:57,075 --> 00:58:58,701 So are the rest of the cabal. 922 00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:02,038 Open your eyes to what's really going on. Oprah Winfrey? 923 00:59:02,121 --> 00:59:04,290 You really think we can trust Oprah Winfrey? 924 00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:07,126 These people are trying to drink blood. Why do they do it? 925 00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:09,295 It's actually a drug, it's called adrenochrome. 926 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:13,091 It gives them energy. It makes them feel a little younger, right? 927 00:59:13,174 --> 00:59:16,052 So it's not like they're doing it for no reason. 928 00:59:16,135 --> 00:59:19,347 This myth becomes a meme as it grows in popularity, 929 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:21,182 as people begin to believe it, 930 00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:26,062 but 4chan knows that what they're doing is they're putting old 4chan jokes 931 00:59:26,145 --> 00:59:28,189 in the thing that they're making up. 932 00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:33,444 For example, CP, that's a code for child pornography. 933 00:59:33,528 --> 00:59:36,281 So, anything that started with those letters, 934 00:59:36,364 --> 00:59:40,201 {\an8}cheese pizza, Christopher Poole, Captain Picard, 935 00:59:41,202 --> 00:59:43,580 these were all old-school 4chan memes. 936 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,790 Raise your hand if you're a pedophile. 937 00:59:45,873 --> 00:59:47,959 Oh, right. Yes. 938 00:59:48,042 --> 00:59:51,462 It's, you know, pure adolescent nonsense 939 00:59:51,546 --> 00:59:54,591 that was far removed from what they were joking about. 940 00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:57,302 But it grows into this outlandish horror story 941 00:59:57,385 --> 00:59:59,512 that a lot of people believe. 942 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:01,723 You are secretly saving the world 943 01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:05,560 {\an8}from this Satanic cult of pedophiles and cannibals. 944 01:00:05,643 --> 01:00:09,814 {\an8}Does that sound like something you are behind? 945 01:00:09,897 --> 01:00:13,318 Well, I haven't... I haven't heard that, but, uh... 946 01:00:13,818 --> 01:00:16,195 is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? 947 01:00:16,279 --> 01:00:20,700 New York City, do not let them normalize pedophilia. 948 01:00:20,783 --> 01:00:23,745 Hollywood is trying to normalize pedophilia. 949 01:00:24,537 --> 01:00:30,793 QAnon started trying to absorb the iconography, the lingo, 950 01:00:30,877 --> 01:00:33,671 the messaging tactics of Anonymous. 951 01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,799 And I took that personally. 952 01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:46,601 You know? I was out of the game a couple of years at that point. 953 01:00:47,185 --> 01:00:50,063 And I tried to ignore them as much as possible, 954 01:00:50,146 --> 01:00:52,940 but it became a self-propagating troll. 955 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,111 Your great-grandma's knitting group 956 01:00:57,195 --> 01:01:00,239 was all of a sudden talking about Q and saving the children. 957 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:05,453 Q was just a whole bunch of trolls who were, like, 958 01:01:05,536 --> 01:01:10,875 "Look at all these fools. They believe it. They actually honestly believe this, 959 01:01:10,958 --> 01:01:13,795 and, God, ain't this funny, everybody?" 960 01:01:15,463 --> 01:01:17,608 {\an8}And the only way that you can really get there 961 01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:19,425 {\an8}is if you're an asshole that wants 962 01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:23,012 {\an8}to make people believe that their thoughts, 963 01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:25,598 their interpretations of reality are not true, 964 01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,351 and that's harmful. 965 01:01:28,434 --> 01:01:30,228 That's harmful to everybody. 966 01:01:31,604 --> 01:01:36,359 All of us who had built the culture started seeing our work being used 967 01:01:36,442 --> 01:01:39,195 by people we utterly despised. 968 01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:44,534 And because we all left the chan culture, there was no one there pushing back. 969 01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:50,164 We've all participated in undermining reality 970 01:01:50,248 --> 01:01:53,668 with our silly jokes and the conspiracy theories. 971 01:01:56,629 --> 01:02:01,634 But we never wanted things to turn into a living cartoon. 972 01:02:03,094 --> 01:02:07,265 And we have to understand we have awoken in the midst of a nightmare! 973 01:02:07,348 --> 01:02:08,808 But we can fight this! 974 01:02:10,935 --> 01:02:13,521 Unfortunately, when you are that far gone, 975 01:02:13,604 --> 01:02:15,940 there's nothing really you can do. 976 01:02:16,023 --> 01:02:19,777 All you can do is cross your fingers and hope that eventually 977 01:02:19,861 --> 01:02:21,446 they will realize that... 978 01:02:22,697 --> 01:02:23,697 "I've been conned." 979 01:02:25,074 --> 01:02:27,994 I was convinced that it was a real thing. 980 01:02:28,077 --> 01:02:31,330 But eventually Q started getting a couple things wrong. 981 01:02:32,623 --> 01:02:35,877 There were, like, dates given, and then it would never happen. 982 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,421 Like I said, QAnon, right? 983 01:02:38,504 --> 01:02:42,467 He said March 9th. It's March 20th, guys. Okay? 984 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,136 Little things like that kept happening again and again. 985 01:02:45,219 --> 01:02:47,889 We know the storm is upon us. What else do you want me to say? 986 01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:49,532 These people are going to get arrested. 987 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:54,061 There was this big kind of powwow live stream with all the Q influencers, 988 01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,563 kind of like a sales pitch. 989 01:02:55,646 --> 01:02:57,206 It doesn't matter if it's real. 990 01:02:57,231 --> 01:02:58,649 It's better than Game of Thrones. 991 01:02:58,733 --> 01:03:01,014 It's better than House of Cards, better than Walking Dead. 992 01:03:01,068 --> 01:03:03,196 It is the most entertaining thing on the internet. 993 01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:04,999 The content he's discussing is real. 994 01:03:05,072 --> 01:03:06,616 Whether Q himself is real or not, 995 01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:08,701 the content he's discussing is 100% genuine. 996 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:09,619 Yeah. 997 01:03:09,702 --> 01:03:13,372 Eventually I learned that many of the individuals in that live stream 998 01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:16,292 were actually behind the QAnon posts. 999 01:03:18,002 --> 01:03:20,171 And they were just some dudes in a basement 1000 01:03:20,254 --> 01:03:24,383 who gained legitimacy by predicting those Trump tweets. 1001 01:03:25,426 --> 01:03:27,887 Q never predicted any of Donald Trump's tweets. 1002 01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:31,516 Trolls simply doctored the timestamps to make it seem that way. 1003 01:03:33,267 --> 01:03:35,895 {\an8}QAnon followers saw what they wanted to see, 1004 01:03:35,978 --> 01:03:37,647 {\an8}and they just ran with the lie. 1005 01:03:40,274 --> 01:03:42,735 I think it really took advantage of people that 1006 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:47,240 were looking for answers about themselves, about the world around them. 1007 01:03:50,785 --> 01:03:52,703 It just got to a point where I was like, 1008 01:03:52,787 --> 01:03:56,040 "Okay, I have to tell these people this is not real." 1009 01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:59,335 So, today's the day that Q dies. 1010 01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:04,966 The group behind QAnon is a bunch of manipulative 8chan scammers. 1011 01:04:05,049 --> 01:04:07,134 They were using me to push the Q narrative, 1012 01:04:07,218 --> 01:04:11,722 and it's not good to have this false hope, and the truth needs to come out. 1013 01:04:11,806 --> 01:04:14,851 It wasn't well-received at all. 1014 01:04:14,934 --> 01:04:18,479 It was a mountain of dislikes and hate comments. 1015 01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:26,612 It was really like me talking to a wall. There's nothing I could have said. 1016 01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:31,450 Once you really realize it's phony, nothing's gonna happen, 1017 01:04:31,534 --> 01:04:33,744 you know, you kind of think like, 1018 01:04:34,412 --> 01:04:36,873 what is going to happen to these people? 1019 01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:39,977 {\an8}The authorities in Nevada say a man barricaded himself 1020 01:04:40,001 --> 01:04:41,502 {\an8}in an armored vehicle 1021 01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:46,048 {\an8}near the Hoover Dam bridge this afternoon, demanding President Trump release reports. 1022 01:04:46,132 --> 01:04:48,551 {\an8}Reports about what, he did not say. 1023 01:04:48,634 --> 01:04:51,012 The man accused of murdering reputed mob boss 1024 01:04:51,095 --> 01:04:53,431 Francesco "Franky Boy" Cali appearing in court today. 1025 01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:55,725 {\an8}Comello held up his hand in court, 1026 01:04:55,808 --> 01:04:57,518 his palm filled with scribblings, 1027 01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,979 including a reference to a conspiracy theory. 1028 01:05:00,062 --> 01:05:03,649 Parker Police said she believed her child had been taken 1029 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,236 by a Satanic pedophilia ring of Democrats. 1030 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,320 This is ridiculous. What this is, folks, 1031 01:05:09,363 --> 01:05:14,243 this is Douglas County getting caught being a child sex trafficking ring 1032 01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:16,913 and trying to go after the person that's outing them. 1033 01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,206 Things were teetering on a precipice 1034 01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:22,084 and the 2020 election pushed things over the edge. 1035 01:05:25,087 --> 01:05:30,676 {\an8}Joseph R. Biden, Jr. is elected the 46th president of the United States. 1036 01:05:31,177 --> 01:05:33,095 {\an8}This is a major fraud on our nation. 1037 01:05:34,055 --> 01:05:37,141 {\an8}We were getting ready to win this election. 1038 01:05:37,224 --> 01:05:39,685 {\an8}Frankly, we did win this election. 1039 01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,814 {\an8}President Trump appeared in public and falsely claimed 1040 01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:45,942 that he won the 2020 election. 1041 01:05:46,025 --> 01:05:49,654 {\an8}He is still showing no signs of conceding any time soon. 1042 01:05:49,737 --> 01:05:52,031 Stop the steal! Stop the steal! 1043 01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:56,786 We're here to tell them that they're not stealing our republic from us! 1044 01:05:56,869 --> 01:06:00,456 It was another denial of reality. 1045 01:06:00,539 --> 01:06:02,208 Reconciling Trump's loss 1046 01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:05,670 with a win by creating a fantasy that he, in fact, has won. 1047 01:06:05,753 --> 01:06:08,214 If we look into the way voter fraud is being conducted, 1048 01:06:08,297 --> 01:06:10,299 the way people are throwing away ballots, 1049 01:06:10,383 --> 01:06:13,678 these people are going down, you guys, because these people are cowards, 1050 01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:15,596 they're a bunch of child molesters. 1051 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,724 "Stop the steal" has swept across inboxes, 1052 01:06:18,808 --> 01:06:22,061 Facebook pages, and Twitter like an out-of-control virus. 1053 01:06:23,187 --> 01:06:27,441 There was this moment that I don't see written about a lot, 1054 01:06:27,525 --> 01:06:29,151 leading up to January 6th, 1055 01:06:29,235 --> 01:06:30,778 of incredible tension. 1056 01:06:31,487 --> 01:06:37,034 They need to stop the steal tomorrow! Stop the steal! 1057 01:06:37,868 --> 01:06:39,704 Stop the steal! 1058 01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:43,833 Everyone felt it in the air. We didn't know what was going to happen. 1059 01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:46,252 Stop the steal! 1060 01:06:46,335 --> 01:06:48,045 Anything could happen. 1061 01:06:58,514 --> 01:07:01,726 Delta Airlines is paging Fight For Trump. 1062 01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:04,437 Fight For Trump. 1063 01:07:05,062 --> 01:07:09,984 Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! 1064 01:07:12,862 --> 01:07:17,950 {\an8}The most important day right now in modern political history is upon us. 1065 01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:19,410 The power is in your hands. 1066 01:07:19,493 --> 01:07:22,496 One, two, three, four. USA! USA! 1067 01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,957 It was an internet-generated event. 1068 01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:28,836 What's up, people? Where you guys from? Let me know. Please tag, people. 1069 01:07:28,919 --> 01:07:30,755 I'm gonna walk you guys... 1070 01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:33,174 I'm gonna walk you all the way out to the crowds. 1071 01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:36,886 It's people who love Christ, people who love Trump, 1072 01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:40,014 people who are just conservatives, conspiracy theorists, 1073 01:07:40,097 --> 01:07:41,807 people who are totally deranged, 1074 01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:45,936 and they're all glomming together, and the radical acceptance of all of that, 1075 01:07:46,729 --> 01:07:49,523 because they believed in this mass delusion. 1076 01:07:50,357 --> 01:07:52,610 They're storming the Capitol! 1077 01:07:52,693 --> 01:07:54,403 Hell yeah! 1078 01:07:54,487 --> 01:07:56,197 It was wild, you know? 1079 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,365 We'd never seen anything like it. 1080 01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:04,038 There is no historical parallel to the storming of the US Capitol. 1081 01:08:05,331 --> 01:08:08,084 But at the time, I wasn't surprised at all. 1082 01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,549 I'm a reporter, and I was actually there. 1083 01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:20,513 I wandered in the crowd, like, up the Capitol Hill, to the... 1084 01:08:20,596 --> 01:08:24,809 part where the Capitol begins, and it's shrouded in tear gas and smoke. 1085 01:08:26,644 --> 01:08:28,187 And I go around, and I'm like, 1086 01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:30,898 "Excuse me, sir. Why are you invading the Capitol?" 1087 01:08:30,981 --> 01:08:33,150 We all feel like, you know, it was fraud, 1088 01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:35,444 and with the evidence and everything... 1089 01:08:35,528 --> 01:08:41,283 And everyone has a little different, precious, deranged internet conspiracy. 1090 01:08:41,784 --> 01:08:44,954 If you don't know what an obelisk is, do some research. 1091 01:08:45,037 --> 01:08:47,873 It's Satan's penis, basically. But, anyway, look it up. 1092 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:50,626 Then you gotta ask yourself, "Why is it in Washington, DC?" 1093 01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:51,752 Each one is different. 1094 01:08:51,836 --> 01:08:52,962 The Great Reset? 1095 01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:53,879 Yeah. 1096 01:08:53,963 --> 01:08:55,297 That's when we go 1097 01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:58,217 to a digital currency and a one-world government. 1098 01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,177 The next person would be totally different. 1099 01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:03,931 Governor Wolf, in Pennsylvania, shuts my fucking restaurant down. 1100 01:09:04,014 --> 01:09:05,850 Fuck you, Governor Wolf. 1101 01:09:06,433 --> 01:09:08,644 And I would ask them, "What are you reading?" 1102 01:09:08,727 --> 01:09:11,730 Is there a certain place where you get your information on Trump? 1103 01:09:11,814 --> 01:09:13,524 Yeah, Facebook and Parler. 1104 01:09:13,607 --> 01:09:16,610 There had not been a revolution like this before. 1105 01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:19,446 It felt new. It felt like a product of the internet. 1106 01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:21,407 A product of social media. 1107 01:09:22,741 --> 01:09:25,161 I'm the guy with the mask on. Where are you? 1108 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,496 Cobra, over and out. 1109 01:09:29,331 --> 01:09:30,875 Break through! 1110 01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:40,926 Whoo! 1111 01:09:43,304 --> 01:09:47,558 Stop the steal! 1112 01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:52,855 Once all of these Trump people raid the building, and they're all inside, 1113 01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:57,318 they don't just walk over the stanchion or, like, over the velvet red rope. 1114 01:09:57,401 --> 01:09:59,195 They walk along it, 1115 01:09:59,278 --> 01:10:01,947 even though they have to go into a little line. 1116 01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,075 A lot of them were acting like tourists. They just... 1117 01:10:05,659 --> 01:10:08,787 "Whoa. We did it." You know? 1118 01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:13,709 Like, total just big-eyed deer in headlights, a lot of them. 1119 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,507 They were surprised themselves. It was as if 1120 01:10:20,591 --> 01:10:22,509 they were wanderers in a dream. 1121 01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:28,057 And to me, that spoke to their... 1122 01:10:28,974 --> 01:10:30,434 deep delusion. 1123 01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:35,856 They were enacting something that was a fantasy on the internet. 1124 01:10:36,941 --> 01:10:42,196 And that it was far removed from the reality of what they were doing. 1125 01:10:43,614 --> 01:10:46,784 They were filming themselves. Putting themselves back on the internet 1126 01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:49,148 as they were doing this from this closed loop. 1127 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:51,330 Can I speak to Pelosi? 1128 01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:52,915 Yeah? We're coming, bitch! 1129 01:10:52,998 --> 01:10:54,792 Whose office is this? 1130 01:10:55,292 --> 01:10:57,002 Is it on the door? 1131 01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,088 Oh, my God. 1132 01:11:27,825 --> 01:11:32,871 Some of us who started this whole long unfortunate series of events 1133 01:11:32,955 --> 01:11:35,624 had to sit there and watch it happen. 1134 01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:41,297 "No. This is where this needs to fucking stop." 1135 01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:42,965 USA! 1136 01:11:43,048 --> 01:11:44,466 Fuck yeah! 1137 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,720 All these people that were emboldened in the moment, 1138 01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:51,932 they all tried to scrub what they could from the internet. 1139 01:11:54,601 --> 01:11:57,104 The FBI spent the past week trying to identify 1140 01:11:57,187 --> 01:12:00,566 and locate the people involved in last week's violence and unrest. 1141 01:12:00,649 --> 01:12:03,861 So far, more than 70 people are facing federal charges, 1142 01:12:03,944 --> 01:12:05,529 but many more walking around, 1143 01:12:05,612 --> 01:12:08,991 blending into our communities and evading charges. 1144 01:12:09,074 --> 01:12:11,827 The FBI needs your help to find them. 1145 01:12:13,037 --> 01:12:15,622 The first time I heard that Kirt might be coming back, 1146 01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:18,751 my first thought was just... It was utter joy. 1147 01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:21,879 This guy is an outright old-school troll 1148 01:12:21,962 --> 01:12:24,256 with the skill set needed to cause some trouble. 1149 01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:29,428 So, myself and a few other people got to work. 1150 01:12:31,805 --> 01:12:36,352 Parler was a social network that was used during January 6th. 1151 01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:41,231 We were able to download the entirety of all media that was posted that day. 1152 01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,361 And on top of that, who they were communicating with, 1153 01:12:45,444 --> 01:12:48,405 where they went after the fact, where they came from. 1154 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:51,867 All of it was right there, ripe for the taking, 1155 01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:55,954 and we pulled it all down and released it to the public. 1156 01:12:58,082 --> 01:13:01,835 Anonymous de-anonymized everybody. 1157 01:13:04,671 --> 01:13:06,215 It was poetry in motion. 1158 01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:10,469 This is the environment that I thrive in. I'm just like, who's next, right? 1159 01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:13,305 {\an8}The hacking group Anonymous stole tons of data 1160 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,558 {\an8}from a site that hosts extremist and racist groups. 1161 01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:18,018 Epik hosting, 1162 01:13:18,102 --> 01:13:21,688 their client base includes InfoWars, 1163 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:24,274 the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys. 1164 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:28,529 It's a who's who of hate groups. 1165 01:13:29,988 --> 01:13:32,658 All of their customer data, their credit card numbers, 1166 01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:34,410 personal information, 1167 01:13:34,493 --> 01:13:36,161 was all released by Anonymous. 1168 01:13:37,329 --> 01:13:40,582 It was one of the biggest hacks that people had seen in a decade. 1169 01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:42,126 {\an8}Law enforcement's involved, 1170 01:13:42,209 --> 01:13:45,337 {\an8}and we're going to find exactly how it was moved. 1171 01:13:45,421 --> 01:13:47,840 {\an8}No, I'm not in a state of denial. Come on, bro. 1172 01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:50,717 When you get on a good win streak, 1173 01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:53,512 you know, you're riding high, you know, 1174 01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,806 you kind of get carried away. 1175 01:13:56,932 --> 01:14:00,978 There's kind of an intoxicating aspect 1176 01:14:01,061 --> 01:14:05,190 to the attention that you can get from hacking. 1177 01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:08,944 It can trick you into thinking you're fighting for good. 1178 01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:12,823 But in reality, you're just high off the feeling of having power. 1179 01:14:14,992 --> 01:14:16,869 When you're behind a screen, 1180 01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:19,329 you could wake up one day and say, "You know what?" 1181 01:14:19,413 --> 01:14:21,999 "Today, I'm gonna be the asshole." 1182 01:14:23,083 --> 01:14:24,543 And you can just go out there, 1183 01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:27,004 and you could get it out of your fucking system, 1184 01:14:27,087 --> 01:14:28,505 and see what happens. 1185 01:14:29,006 --> 01:14:31,425 It happened with the FBI raids. 1186 01:14:32,092 --> 01:14:33,844 It happened with QAnon. 1187 01:14:34,386 --> 01:14:36,138 You can still see it today. 1188 01:14:36,889 --> 01:14:41,018 I did indeed discover Donald Trump's Twitter password, 1189 01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:44,480 which was Maga2020 with an exclamation mark. 1190 01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:48,650 And he changed a single digit to Maga2024. 1191 01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:53,155 That was the password for realDonaldTrump. 1192 01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:54,865 I had that shit. 1193 01:14:55,365 --> 01:14:57,045 I only know that was his Twitter password. 1194 01:14:57,075 --> 01:15:00,746 I don't know if it's his password anywhere else. I did not go to check... 1195 01:15:00,829 --> 01:15:04,082 I would never, ever encourage people to go do anything, 1196 01:15:04,166 --> 01:15:09,838 but minor variations on that password work in a lot of places. 1197 01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:13,467 Former President Trump just launched his new social media app, 1198 01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:14,968 Truth Social. 1199 01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:17,554 The site was briefly accessible to the public last night 1200 01:15:17,638 --> 01:15:20,140 and was immediately overrun by trolls 1201 01:15:20,224 --> 01:15:24,102 that posted a photo of a pig defecating on its own scrotum. 1202 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:29,650 It's pretty funny. We got piggy poop balls on The Colbert Show. 1203 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:32,444 Throughout the years, 1204 01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:37,824 there have been countless people who tried to take the reins of Anonymous, 1205 01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:42,621 but they have not learned from the mistakes that we made in the past. 1206 01:15:44,665 --> 01:15:49,878 Activism should come from a place of understanding 1207 01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:54,132 more so than just anger or fear 1208 01:15:54,216 --> 01:15:58,345 or especially self-aggrandization. 1209 01:15:58,428 --> 01:16:02,099 {\an8}We actually haven't heard Anonymous in a while, to tell you the truth, 1210 01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:04,601 {\an8}but what can you tell us about this hack? 1211 01:16:04,685 --> 01:16:10,065 Because of the attention you can gain 1212 01:16:10,148 --> 01:16:14,820 through these tactics, it can have a way of corrupting people. 1213 01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:17,948 I am literally in every mainstream media publication 1214 01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:19,908 for the things that I do! 1215 01:16:20,409 --> 01:16:22,494 I'm not an unknown actor! 1216 01:16:23,161 --> 01:16:26,665 I'm literally a famous fucking cyberterrorist! 1217 01:16:27,291 --> 01:16:29,418 And you think that you could scare me? 1218 01:16:29,501 --> 01:16:33,338 What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do to me, huh? 1219 01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:48,937 It was around 11:00 in the morning. 1220 01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:51,106 Couple of cops come around the corner. 1221 01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:57,154 They served me a warrant. 1222 01:16:57,237 --> 01:16:59,740 And, "We're here to search your premises." 1223 01:16:59,823 --> 01:17:05,078 "We're from the, uh, Ontario Police Cyber Crimes Division." 1224 01:17:06,788 --> 01:17:12,169 I wasn't charged, I wasn't detained, but now I'm being investigated for... 1225 01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,797 some alleged online activities. 1226 01:17:20,344 --> 01:17:25,724 They're hauling out my computers, any hard drive storage devices they can find. 1227 01:17:25,807 --> 01:17:30,062 And then towards the end, they're like, "Does he have a Guy Fawkes mask in there?" 1228 01:17:30,145 --> 01:17:32,981 "Yeah." "Oh, yeah. He's got a Guy Fawkes mask." 1229 01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:39,946 I am in a very similar situation as Jeremy Hammond was. 1230 01:17:41,114 --> 01:17:43,742 And that's absolutely fucking terrifying 1231 01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:48,580 because, well, Hammond went to prison for a decade. 1232 01:17:50,791 --> 01:17:55,545 What's ironic about 4chan, or any of these digital spaces, 1233 01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:59,049 is that people went there to feel less alone, 1234 01:17:59,132 --> 01:18:01,968 but these spaces only simulate community. 1235 01:18:03,887 --> 01:18:08,350 It feels like you're fulfilling your wildest fantasies, but in fact, 1236 01:18:09,601 --> 01:18:12,354 you're just experiencing less and less of life. 1237 01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:20,654 You feel like you have it all, when, in fact, you have nothing. 1238 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,242 You're just alone together. 1239 01:18:52,602 --> 01:18:56,398 This is the kind of place where, like, you're walking around people, 1240 01:18:56,481 --> 01:18:59,234 they'll make eye contact with you. They want that, "How you doing?" 1241 01:18:59,317 --> 01:19:00,569 Yeah, that's nice. 1242 01:19:01,278 --> 01:19:03,363 As far as the FBI stuff went, 1243 01:19:03,447 --> 01:19:07,743 I got out of it unscathed, with no charges or anything like that. 1244 01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:12,748 The people that I was staying with when I was on my trip around the country 1245 01:19:12,831 --> 01:19:14,833 were people that I've known since the '90s, 1246 01:19:14,916 --> 01:19:17,669 that I met in anime chat rooms, 1247 01:19:17,753 --> 01:19:22,257 and had not met them at all until I left on the run. 1248 01:19:24,092 --> 01:19:30,056 Anonymous was never this mythical unicorn 1249 01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:34,644 of an organization that could fix all of our problems. 1250 01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:37,564 People just believed that it was. 1251 01:19:37,647 --> 01:19:42,819 ♪ Never gonna run around And desert you ♪ 1252 01:19:42,903 --> 01:19:44,571 ♪ Never gonna make you cry ♪ 1253 01:19:44,654 --> 01:19:50,243 I think I have an understanding of how some of our actions in the past, 1254 01:19:50,327 --> 01:19:54,456 whether we like it or not, have affected 1255 01:19:55,373 --> 01:19:57,250 the reality of things today. 1256 01:19:57,334 --> 01:19:59,711 {\an8}Police say he posted a document showing 1257 01:19:59,795 --> 01:20:02,339 {\an8}support for racist conspiracy theories. 1258 01:20:02,422 --> 01:20:04,716 {\an8}The Guardian reports 4chan has inspired 1259 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,177 {\an8}at least three other mass casualty attacks, 1260 01:20:07,260 --> 01:20:10,055 {\an8}including a shooting in D.C. just last month. 1261 01:20:11,389 --> 01:20:18,104 There has been a string of fake mass shootings with crisis actors... 1262 01:20:18,188 --> 01:20:20,982 The Jews want to replace white people because they hate us. 1263 01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:23,226 Do your own research and find out for yourself. 1264 01:20:23,276 --> 01:20:25,362 Leaders shape-shift into reptiles. 1265 01:20:25,445 --> 01:20:27,531 They're always eating these children. 1266 01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:29,866 Of course it's not fake, okay? 1267 01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:34,329 We now know that if you spend a lot of time on the screen, 1268 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,415 you can create a mass delusion, 1269 01:20:37,499 --> 01:20:40,418 that reality parts from where you are, 1270 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:43,547 and you can create something elaborate in your mind 1271 01:20:43,630 --> 01:20:46,258 that is delicate and complicated, 1272 01:20:46,341 --> 01:20:48,885 and it can be this really fascinating thing, 1273 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:51,805 and you can spend all day obsessing about it with other people. 1274 01:20:53,265 --> 01:20:55,350 It can feel real as anything else. 1275 01:21:00,272 --> 01:21:04,609 But what we're doing is building these elaborate grotesque fantasies 1276 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,486 out of our own unhappiness. 1277 01:21:10,991 --> 01:21:15,787 Our current moment is really about us as humans. 1278 01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:20,750 And how we're only just starting to learn the effects 1279 01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:23,628 of these tools that we all use. 1280 01:21:25,338 --> 01:21:28,425 We didn't evolve to be online all the time. 1281 01:21:30,302 --> 01:21:34,472 This is an absolutely new moment for the human animal. 1282 01:21:38,476 --> 01:21:42,230 And figuring out how we use these tools, 1283 01:21:42,314 --> 01:21:45,400 that's the question of the next century. 112663

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