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The new docuseries revealsexplosive allegations
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behind the scenesat Nickelodeon.
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Some reallydisturbing allegations.
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Now in this new documentary...
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It hits you immediately
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how inappropriatesome of this content was.
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Quiet on Set The Dark Side
of Kids TV shined a spotlight
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on the toxicand dangerous culture
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behind some of the mosticonic children's shows
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of the late 90sand early 2000s.
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My lawyer filed complaints.
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Gender discrimination,hostile work environment.
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Actual pedophiles on set.
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There are all these setups
that reference porn.
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Once I saw it againas an adult,
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it was like, oh, oh. Oh.
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I was just trapped.
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I had no way out.
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And the seriesbrought to light
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Hollywood's ownshocking involvement.
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These letters show
how strong the support was
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for a convictedsexual predator,
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with peoplewith industry connections.
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It gets me so mad
I get so emotional about it.
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Protect your kids.
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The series has gone viral,
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launchinga thousand conversations,
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provoking shock, outrage...
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This creep was behind
that
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...and heartbreak.
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So much of this country's entertainment
industry is built on harming children.
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As long as those checks come in,
that's what mattered to y'all.
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What I do want to talk about is never
letting this stuff happen again.
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In this episode,we'll talk to Drake Bell
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for the first timesince the series premiered,
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I'm curious why you decided
to participate
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after all these years
of not talking about it.
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We'll air never-before-seenfootage from the series,
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as well as new insights from
those closest to the story.
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So what brought you
back together?
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The documentary.
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It was a light bulb moment.
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And hear froma cast member of All That
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who will speak outfor the first time.
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Join us as we dig deeper
and break the silence
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on the disturbing world
of kids entertainment.
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Thank you so much
for joining us.
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I'm Soledad O'Brien.
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In this special episode
of Quiet On Set,
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we'll bring you new insights
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from those closest
to the story
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starting with
Drake Bell himself.
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In the days
since Drake came forward
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as the John Doe victim in
the 2003 child sex abuse case
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against his dialogue coach
Brian Peck,
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the reaction has been swift.
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Both an outpouring of support and
horror that this could have happened
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under the watchful eye
of so many adults.
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I didn't feel likeanyone knew anything.
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I was under the impression that
this was just a big, giant secret.
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I just hoped and prayed
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that one day
it would just stop.
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I often look back at that timeand wonder
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how in the world I survived.
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- Drake, welcome.
- Thank you.
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So I'm curious why you decided
to participate after...
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After all these years
of not talking about it.
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The-- The choice to
participate was a tough one.
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It was a really hard
decision to make
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because I'd been
approached before
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and wasn't ready
and said no, and...
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But when I-- When the people
from the doc reached out to me,
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and I was speaking
with-- With Emma,
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she just made me
feel really comfortable
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and she took her time
and was really sensitive.
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I was able to feel like
I could open up to her
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and... I don't know.
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I just felt
maybe this is the time--
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This is the time
to tell my story.
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In the child sex abuse
case against Brian Peck,
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you described the moment
you walk into the courtroom
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and you see it packed
with many well-known faces.
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But they're not there for you.
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On the dayof sentencing for Brian,
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I get to the courthouse.
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It was the most unbelievable
thing I'd ever seen.
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His entire side
of the courtroom... was full.
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There were definitely some recognizable
faces on that side of the room.
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And my side was...
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Me, my mom and my brother.
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Brian had been convicted.
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But gettingall of this support
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from a lot of people
in the industry and...
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Yeah, I was pretty shocked.
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We wanted to understand
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who in Hollywood was
supporting Brian through this.
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So we petitioned the court to unseal
the letters of support in this case.
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Will Friedle and Rider
Strong from Boy Meets World
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wrote letters
in support of Brian Peck.
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Then they recently spoke
about it on their podcast.
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Hearing from Will and hearing from
Ryder, does it...
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Does it change at all how
you think about that day now?
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I mean...
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No.
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I worked-- I worked with Will
on Spider-Man
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and there was
a lot of opportunity to...
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Apologize or talk about it
and never did.
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But also, I mean, it's a very
difficult subject to bring up,
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I mean, especially
in a work environment.
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So... And that's the thing
that's hard about this
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is because everybody deals with
their trauma in different ways.
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Everybody comes to
different conclusions
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at different times in their
lives and realizations,
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and I mean,
I really appreciate
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that they've... You know,
their perspective now.
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But I mean, that day
is so ingrained in my mind,
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and there's so many people
who I mean, I haven't...
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Nobody's reached out to me.
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-Nobody's...
-No one else?
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- I mean--
- No one at all?
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Personally? Personally, no,
not one person who's written
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one of those letters
has reached out to me.
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The thing I have found,
really shocking, I guess,
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is the idea that this wasn't
a bigger scandal 21 years ago.
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That... boggles my mind.
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I mean, three or four months
prior to his arrest,
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was the Jason Handy case.
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And then Brian
gets arrested and...
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- Nothing.
- No articles.
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I mean,
there's nothing about it.
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I mean, I think
there was something
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on the nightly news
about the arrest.
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But for those two cases
to happen so closely together
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and at the same network
on the same show?
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It allowed him to go
to work on other shows,
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go work on other kid's shows
on other kids networks.
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As a registered sex offender.
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Exactly! Exactly! As a registered
sex offender, going and working on--
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And it was just unbelievable,
and it just...
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I think that there being no media
coverage played a huge part in that.
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I was surprised
in the documentary
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about Dan Schneider's
support of you.
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How does that square with what
basically everybody else said
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about their treatment by Dan?
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I mean, it was very hard
to watch.
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It was really hard to watch because
I can only speak from my experience
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and I can't take away
from anyone else's experience.
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You know, I can just say that
during this time with Brian,
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Dan was really
the only one from the network
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that even made an effort
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to... help me
and make sure I was okay.
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Let's pause there.
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But we have so much more
to talk about.
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We'll be right back.
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He was so good
at what he was doing.
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Brian, he was so calculated.
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He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do.
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Why did you want
to come forward?
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I think the only way
we can change
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is to really
evaluate the past,
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and I have some perspective
to share on that.
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We're back with Drake Bell
continuing to share his story.
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So, Drake, you mentioned that you've been
processing and dealing with your trauma.
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Can you talk about
how your...
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How you're dealing with it?
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And when you look at
other actors--
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I mean Amanda Bynes,
who's in the doc as well.
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I mean, when you see her story
and her struggle...
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Is that-- Do you look
and think, you know,
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this is also part of what happens
when you're a child actor?
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Well, I mean, with Amanda
and so many others,
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I mean, we've lost so many
that aren't here anymore.
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And it's just--
I've watched tragedy over--
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After tragedy after tragedy
in this business and...
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And it's just heartbreaking.
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I went many years not wanting
to even talk about it at all.
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Not in therapy, not with my
friends, not with my family.
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I-- I kind of started--
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There was a lot of things
happening in my personal life
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that were really difficult,
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and I started to
just kind of...
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You know...
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I guess spiral
is the best way to put it.
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And so when I went to rehab,
I... It was--
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It wasn't just 45 min
with your doctor twice a week.
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It was from 8:00 o'clock
in the morning
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until 8:00 o'clock at night.
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Uh, 10:00 o'clock at night.
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Therapy all day.
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Trauma therapy, group therapy,
one on one, all of this stuff.
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And I mean-- And I think a lot
of the help was being in groups
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where you're hearing other
people's stories and going,
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"Oh my gosh, I'm not alone."
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And it was
really helpful to...
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Start facing
this stuff head on.
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Obviously, things like DUIs and
choices that I've made in my life,
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they are decisions
I made on my own.
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So I do have to
take accountability
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and responsibility
for those things.
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But It's really
eye opening to...
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Get down to maybe
what's the root cause,
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you know,
where is this coming from.
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You talk a lot in the doc about
your mom and your dad as well.
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How is your relationship
with them now
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and have things changed
since the doc came out?
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No, my dad's very emotional.
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But I mean, we have a...
A fantastic relationship,
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and it's so--
I'm so grateful for that
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because like--
Like it shows in the doc,
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we went through
many years of separation,
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and it was really hard
on both of us,
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and right now we have an
amazing, amazing relationship,
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and my mom and I have
an incredible relationship.
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I do feel there's a lot of
people kind of after the doc...
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Going after my mom a bit.
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But if you were in
that situation at that time,
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he was so good
at what he was doing.
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Brian, he was so calculated.
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He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do,
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the image
to portray, everything.
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I mean,
I completely understand
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how he just... pulled the wool
over everyone's eyes.
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It's... It's tragic.
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I want to ask you a little bit
about your former co-star Josh
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because people were...
Were very hard on him
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for what they perceived to be
his reaction to your story.
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Yeah, I just...
I know what it's like to have,
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you know, the internet
attack you for...
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I mean, really nothing.
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He had reached out to me,
and we-- We've been talking.
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This is a really difficult
thing to process.
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But at the end of the day,
you know,
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we have such
a close connection
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and this unique bond,
that's so rare in this industry that...
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I don't know.
It's really special,
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and he's a really
great person.
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You have obviously
been dealing with this trauma
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for-- For more than
two decades,
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and I thought
maybe we would show
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a never-before-seen clip
from your interview
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about one of the ways that
you've been dealing with this.
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Can we play that?
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A lot of times my emotions
and my inner thoughts and...
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What I--
What I'd been through would...
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Would creep up
and get in the way.
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But luckily,I was writing songs
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and expressed what I was
feeling through music.
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I think that was my therapy,
really, at that time.
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I see your guitar
right behind you.
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So... Clearly.
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Tell me a little bit about
how music has been helping you
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and has always, you know,
been a platform for you.
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Music's like my diary
or my journal.
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I... I've always written
about my life
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and after I did this doc, I started
just writing even more and more and more
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and stuff started pouring out.
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And that's actually
when I started--
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When I wrote the new song
I just put out
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and the video
that addresses the abuse
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and other things that I've gone
through in my life and the rehab,
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and it's kind ofthe most vulnerable,
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honest, self-reflective stuffthat I've written ever.
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Well, Drake,
thanks for talking with us.
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I really appreciate it.
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I know...
Maybe you don't know,
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but so many people really need
to hear what you had to say.
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You talk a lot about being
alone, being isolated,
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and so I think what you're
doing is really important.
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Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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Coming up next,
we're joined in the studio
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by two contributors
from Quiet On Set
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reunited to talk about their
experience since the premiere.
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Have you guys spoken
to Dan since?
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You know, recently
in the last weeks?
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Yeah,
I got a phone call.
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Here with me now
are a couple of faces
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you'll recognize
from the series.
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Giovonnie Samuels
and Bryan Hearne,
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two cast members
who spent multiple seasons
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on All That
in the early 2000s.
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Welcome to you both.
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So how has it been?
283
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I mean, have you been surprised by
the fallout from the documentary?
284
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-Yeah.
-Absolutely.
285
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Both of us had to kind of
take a step back
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from social media and whatnot
because it's been...
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The only way we can
describe it is overwhelming.
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In a good way? I mean support?
289
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-Absolutely.
-Yeah.
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- There's been a lot--
And on the flip side is...
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People were like, "Yo,
my childhood is now traumatized by this."
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-Yeah.
-"And I feel grieved that
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-that you guys went through this...
-Yeah.
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...but I also feel
trauma too."
295
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And I'm like, I don't want
you guys to feel that way.
296
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Not all of it was terrible.
297
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There are still some
beautiful pieces left in it.
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You know, we're okay.
299
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Yeah, I think the--
The main... point
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of us participating
in this documentary
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was to make sure that
this doesn't continue.
302
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Your former boss, Dan Schneider,
posted a video defending himself.
303
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He also apologized
for his actions.
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I am so sorry to any kid who
ever had to do a dare or anything
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that they didn't want to do
or weren't comfortable doing.
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We went out of our way
to make sure they were safe
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and that everything
was done properly.
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But if a kid was scared
and didn't want to do it,
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- kids shouldn't have to do it.
- Yeah.
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- Period. The end.
- Right.
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And if I had known
at the time...
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I would-- I would have
changed it on the spot.
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"If he had known at the time,
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- he would have changed it
on the spot."
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Why are you both laughing?
316
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The thing about his interview
as a whole is, um,
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- I just thought--
I thought it was funny.
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- What'd you think was funny about it?
- -If I'm--
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If I could be candid,
Dan was an actor before all of this.
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And so I think
that he brushed off some chops
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and gave us
a nice performance.
322
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Where was
all of this apologizing
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when Jeanette McCurdy's
book came out?
324
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Or when Angelique Bates
had said something?
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- Yeah, very publicly.
- Very publicly.
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And I just feel that...
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What's an apology
without accountability?
328
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Realistically,
if you take the--
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The inappropriate jokes away,
330
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do you have a show... anymore?
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Take all the foot jokes.
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Take all the face shots,
333
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all the--
All of that inappropriateness.
334
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Is it just commercials then?
335
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In this interview,
Dan also said this.
336
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All these jokes
that you are speaking of...
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That the show covered
over the past two nights...
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Every one of those jokes was
written for a kid audience
339
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because kids thought they
were funny and only funny.
340
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Okay?
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Now we have some adults
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looking back at them 20 years
later through their lens,
343
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and they're looking at them
and they're saying,
344
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"I don't think that's
appropriate for a kid's show."
345
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So back then,
346
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did you think those jokes
were funny to hear?
347
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Did you think those jokes
were funny to do?
348
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No.
349
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Only because one, we're kids.
350
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We don't know.
We're a bit naive.
351
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And when you have a writer
or a showrunner,
352
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and he's laughing the hardest,
you go along with it.
353
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- Mmm.
- -Because one, you don't know any better,
354
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and two... This is your job.
This is your boss.
355
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,360
So when you were
performing those jokes,
356
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or even hearing your colleagues
sort of saying those jokes,
357
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did it just feel like
this is not really for kids?
358
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I mean, did you feel that
when you were doing the show?
359
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,360
-There were jokes that was going over
our heads. -Completely over our heads.
360
00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,260
I'm 13 years old.
I'm very new to like...
361
00:20:01,260 --> 00:20:02,860
-Comedy, everything.
-I'm not allowed to watch--
362
00:20:02,860 --> 00:20:06,700
-Yeah. -I'm not allowed to
watch South Park and Family Guy
363
00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:07,960
and, you know,
things of that nature.
364
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,260
I'm-- I'm sitting here just
trying-- trying to be funny.
365
00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:14,100
I'm just trying
to be funny.
366
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:18,700
And with us coming in in the
second round of All That,
367
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:21,860
we're looking to him because
he's the creator of this.
368
00:20:21,860 --> 00:20:27,660
He is the guy
that made so many people big.
369
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So you're trusting
his judgment.
370
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He seems to say,
with the lens of now adults
371
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all these years later
look back and say,
372
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,700
"Oh,
that looks like it's sexual,
373
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,530
that looks inappropriate."
374
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,730
Is he just utterly wrong?
375
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:46,060
It's one of those things.
376
00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:48,300
The foot stuff was crazy.
377
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,460
I never liked the foot stuff.
378
00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:52,860
Never liked the foot stuff.
379
00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:54,360
He thought
the foot stuff was funny.
380
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,100
-You're like,
"I'm a paid actor." -I don't get it.
381
00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:59,060
- I'm going to execute on the foot stuff.
- -Yeah.
382
00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:01,260
And then you kind of look
to your left...
383
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:02,560
And everybody in the room,
384
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,400
or at least the adults
are laughing,
385
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,760
you go along with it.
386
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:11,160
Dan had this to say
about diversity.
387
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,200
Diversity has always been
very important
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to me in my shows.
389
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If you go back
to the very first
390
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Nickelodeon show I ever made,
that's very evident,
391
00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:21,360
as it is in the second one,
392
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,800
and then the first movie
I ever made for Nickelodeon,
393
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which starred Kenan and Kel,
394
00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:27,300
and every show
I did after that
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had a lead Black actor in it.
396
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:34,560
So you were the only two Black
actors on all that, right?
397
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,560
-Yes.
-Yeah.
398
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,230
What do you think
when he says that?
399
00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:41,000
Oh, that's the sign here
that's happening.
400
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,360
I don't know if you guys
can hear this, the deep sign.
401
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,560
Uh...
402
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,500
It was very evident
from the first day.
403
00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:52,660
It was just the two of us.
404
00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:55,800
I've said this before
on social media, you know,
405
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,860
that's usually the first thing
you do in a Black space,
406
00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:02,460
or as a Black person,
or a person of color.
407
00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:03,860
-Count the Black people.
-Yeah,
408
00:22:03,860 --> 00:22:05,830
You count who's in the room,
409
00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:08,860
in front
and behind the camera.
410
00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:13,330
-And... there were two.
-Two people.
411
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:16,160
-Four if you include our moms.
-Yeah.
412
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,860
My gripe with the way
that question was answered
413
00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:27,260
is that the question itself
was posed to him about us.
414
00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:29,260
-Right.
-It was about us.
415
00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:34,030
He said, "Oh, I jump-started
the careers of Kenan and Kel."
416
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,760
So they talked about
us being overlooked,
417
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,230
and then he overlooked us
in his answer.
418
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,000
What do you do with that?
419
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,560
Did you feel like you were
stereotypes, tokenized roles?
420
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,300
Mmm-hmm.
421
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,660
Did you feel
like that consistently
422
00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:53,330
-while you were on the show?
-Yes.
423
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,160
I was told,
"You're so talented,
424
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,400
we don't know
what to do with you.
425
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,700
Let's just kinda
stick you anywhere, or..."
426
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:06,660
- Which was why I came up with sketches and ideas to help.
- -Yeah.
427
00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:09,460
Have you guys spoken
to Dan since?
428
00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:11,860
Recently, in the last weeks?
429
00:23:11,860 --> 00:23:13,860
Yeah, I got a phone call.
430
00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:14,860
Oh.
431
00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:19,700
He reached out a week before
the documentary aired.
432
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:20,560
Mmm.
433
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,830
He asked if I could give
a quote of support.
434
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,800
He didn't know
that you were in the--
435
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,330
-He knew I was in the
documentary for a year. -He knew.
436
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,200
And he was like,
"Oh, I love Gio.
437
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,560
She's great,
she's nice, great.
438
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,360
She could tell my side,"
439
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:42,260
and I don't know
what you want.
440
00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:44,400
I don't know
what possessed him.
441
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200
So he asked you if you would
give a quote of support.
442
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,560
And what did you say?
443
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,500
-He asked because I did come back
to do Henry Danger, -Mmm-hmm.
444
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,760
which was sometime later.
445
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760
He was like, "You had
a good time on set, right?
446
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,660
Right?"
447
00:23:59,660 --> 00:24:01,360
And you said?
448
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,760
I told him
I was terrified of him.
449
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,660
Was he surprised by that?
450
00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:08,160
I don't know.
451
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,860
I said, "You had the power
to make people stars."
452
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,830
And I was intimidated by you.
453
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,000
I wanted to do a good job.
454
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,960
Hmm.
455
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:23,100
The children
of the next generation,
456
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:27,100
if our children should so
decide one day to say,
457
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:28,760
"Put me in front
of the camera."
458
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,960
Would you say yes?
459
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,860
As dad, today?
460
00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:36,400
With my four-year-old
and my 10-year-old?
461
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,760
-No.
-Yeah.
462
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,860
- Absolutely not.
- Hmm.
463
00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:41,900
We have a lot more
to talk about.
464
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:43,960
Coming up, Bryan's mom,
Tracey Brown, will join us
465
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,760
to talk about
how Bryan's experience
466
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,600
on Dan's sets impacted
her relationship with her son.
467
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,500
In that moment,
I said I've lost him.
468
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:53,760
You do right there.
469
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,830
I lost him.
470
00:25:00,860 --> 00:25:02,500
So Bryan,
in the series, we hear
471
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,560
a really heartbreaking story
of when you're told
472
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,300
-you're not gonna be asked back.
-Yeah.
473
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:12,100
And that day clearly had
an impact on the relationship
474
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,560
you had with your mom.
475
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,630
Yeah.
476
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:19,960
The daythat we were told
477
00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:26,600
In that moment, he grew up and
his body language showed it,
478
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,560
just showed this man
protruding out.
479
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,030
And that's a man that
didn't trust his mom anymore.
480
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,160
It ruined us.
481
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,460
And you can't get that...
482
00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:41,660
like the moment
you can't get back.
483
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,360
Oh, this was one of the most
heartbreaking things to watch.
484
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,300
Joining us now
is Bryan's mom, Tracey.
485
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,560
-It's nice to talk to you, Tracey.
-Thank you.
486
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,860
In so many ways,
it feels like Bryan's exit
487
00:25:56,860 --> 00:26:01,160
was really pivotal, clearly,
in your relationship. Um...
488
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,260
It sounds like
you were trying to protect him
489
00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:04,860
and do the right thing
490
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:07,100
and it came
at a tremendous cost.
491
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,160
Can you explain that?
492
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,000
Yeah, I wasn't looking for
my son to be this great star
493
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,100
and that's my dependency.
494
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,900
My dependency is raising
a healthy child.
495
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:18,460
I'm a Leo, I don't know
if that makes a difference
496
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:21,360
to any of you guys,
I'm a lion, right?
497
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,100
I don't mind being in my cave
and licking my nails,
498
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:26,530
but I have nails.
499
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:31,460
When you think
when Bryan lost his job
500
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:35,660
that maybe it was you
that you had brought this
501
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:38,100
-on him in some way?
-I knew it.
502
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:39,260
You knew you did?
503
00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:41,500
I absolutely knew it.
504
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:47,660
When he got the news,
he went to his agents
505
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:50,360
and they said,
"Bring your mom up here."
506
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,560
And that's when we got
the news and the funny part is
507
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,260
he was just 13,
but he slunched over
508
00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:04,430
and I saw a different soul
come through.
509
00:27:05,860 --> 00:27:09,800
And I said, in that moment
I said, "I've lost him."
510
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,230
You do right there.
511
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,230
I lost him.
512
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,730
Did you think
your mom was responsible?
513
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600
I think that, um,
I'm trying not to cry.
514
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,900
-I've got a whole box of tissues here
for both of you. -Oh, please, please.
515
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:28,860
So say the word.
516
00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:30,500
It was like, well,
whose fault is it?
517
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,260
Is it my fault?
518
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:34,760
Is it... You know,
she's the outspoken one.
519
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,460
You know?
520
00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:38,300
And there were times
where I was like,
521
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:39,360
"Oh,
I'm not gonna say anything
522
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,900
because I don't want her
to burn the place down,
523
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:41,960
and so I'm not gonna say
anything here,
524
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,260
I'm not gonna say
anything here."
525
00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:44,560
And I would have.
526
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,460
Yeah.
527
00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:48,800
How bad was your relationship?
I mean, obviously at 13--
528
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,660
With my son?
529
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,400
Yeah,
how bad did it get?
530
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,530
It was ruined.
531
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:56,300
It wasn't, "And for six months
I was really mad at my mom."
532
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,700
-No, it was all of his life.
-All of it.
533
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,900
-Yeah.
-All of... from 13 on.
534
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:02,060
Yeah.
535
00:28:02,060 --> 00:28:03,260
You had a rift between you.
536
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:08,300
Yeah, he didn't trust me
anymore, he was resentful.
537
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,500
He ran away from home.
538
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,500
Yeah.
539
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,260
So what brought you
back together?
540
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:14,530
-Can I answer that?
-Yeah.
541
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,160
The documentary.
542
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,660
- Hmm.
- How?
543
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,300
It was a light bulb moment
544
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,700
to go back in time
545
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:32,760
and discover, as a mom,
that moment ruined us.
546
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,660
Hmm.
547
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:38,700
- I still did not hope that you and I would talk.
-Hmm.
548
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,830
And then I didn't know he had
already seen the documentary
549
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,900
and Valentine's Day
rolled around
550
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,430
and I sent...
551
00:28:58,260 --> 00:29:00,100
"Happy Valentine's Day."
552
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,430
And he responded,
"Happy Valentine's Day, mom."
553
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,760
So let me push it back
a little bit.
554
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,930
So to be perfectly honest,
watching that scene,
555
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:17,030
um, brought me to tears.
556
00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:21,600
And first of all, I called
my therapist immediately.
557
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,330
This was not on a therapy day.
558
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:26,300
Not on a therapy day.
559
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,430
My day is Tuesday.
560
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:30,830
I think I watched on a Monday
and was like, "Oh, my God."
561
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:35,360
This was the spawn.
562
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,560
And we had that conversation,
therapist to patient, client.
563
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,500
And it just,
it changed everything
564
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,460
because I was able
to pinpoint, "Oh, my gosh,
565
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:49,860
this is where
my resentment started."
566
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,900
Oh, my gosh.
567
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:57,060
-I can talk to 13,
14 year old Bryan now and say, -Right.
568
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:59,400
"This wasn't your fault.
569
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,860
It wasn't her fault.
570
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:03,430
These people
had it out for y'all."
571
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,030
Hmm.
572
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,600
So there's a clip,
it's never been seen before
573
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600
of another Black actor who was
featured in the series.
574
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,930
And I want to play that now.
575
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:20,460
There was a scene
we were doing,
576
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:21,760
it was called, "The Literals."
577
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600
And every time
I said, "Spit it out,"
578
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,560
she would spit
what was in her mouth,
579
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,400
whether it was the water
or whatever,
580
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000
like directly in my face.
581
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,260
Everybody thoughtit was so funny.
582
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:31,860
Ha-ha-ha.Everybody's laughing.
583
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:33,560
Me, I did not find it funny.
584
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,260
The third time
I was like infuriated.
585
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:39,100
Like I was so mad
that the director
586
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,160
hurried and put me
on the side of the set
587
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,530
and was like, "Listen, Raquel,
588
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,460
breathe in, breathe out.
589
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:50,760
She's the star of the show."
590
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,930
He said, "Don't make
too much of a problem.
591
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,160
I'm gonna ask her
not to spit in your face,
592
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160
but you have
to keep your cool."
593
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,760
That's racist.
594
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,260
Period.
595
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,260
Wow.
596
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:13,400
Why is that so disturbing
to you, Bryan?
597
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,360
I obviously did not know
that story.
598
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,860
I've only had one solid
conversation with Raquel,
599
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:20,600
but oh, my God,
that hit me really hard.
600
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,630
She's...
601
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:26,260
To just be told
you don't matter,
602
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:28,900
in that moment,
you're being spit on.
603
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,760
And they say, this person
matters more than you.
604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,360
- 'Cause she's a star.
- Take it.
605
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,460
Yeah.
606
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:37,360
And there's a cultural
difference too, right?
607
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,730
- We are culturally trained to take it.
- -Hmm.
608
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,560
-They are not.
-Hmm.
609
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,560
And imagine... so imagine
that little girl saying,
610
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,000
"I don't wanna do that,"
right?
611
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,100
"I don't wanna do this."
612
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,260
What would happen?
613
00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:56,760
So then what's your advice
614
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,530
for young Black actors now?
615
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,500
You know, it's hard
because the one thing
616
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,460
I would say
is that I was disappointed
617
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:07,830
there wasn't another Black boy
on set.
618
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,960
That's important.
619
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,000
-The camaraderie is important,
let alone the likeness. -Yeah.
620
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,560
And it's not even just Black,
it's indigenous.
621
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,160
It's Hispanic.
622
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,860
You can't just have the one
representing the whole world.
623
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:21,860
It doesn't make sense to me.
624
00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:23,260
That was pressure.
625
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:24,400
-It's pressure.
-For Gio and I.
626
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,160
Even having the privilege--
627
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
I mean to have one Black girl
and one Black boy.
628
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,300
That was good.
629
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,060
For them to think that
that was okay too.
630
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:33,060
-It's not.
-Yeah.
631
00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:35,400
-The pressure for each of us...
-Yes.
632
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,860
...to represent was very hard.
633
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:40,860
So then what would you tell
a young Black actor,
634
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:42,260
"Don't do it?"
635
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:43,560
- What would you say?
- Today?
636
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,360
What advice
would you give them today?
637
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,560
-Today?
-Mmm-hmm.
638
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:53,160
-Do it, but if you have to walk
away, do that. -Hmm.
639
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,200
-And I would say that to the
moms and the dads. -Yeah, yeah.
640
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
-Pull your kid out.
-Yeah.
641
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,460
Tracey, thank you
for talking with me.
642
00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:01,760
-I appreciate it, Bryan, you as well.
-Thank you.
643
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,560
-Oh, no problem at all.
-Absolutely.
644
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,900
So in our final segment,
we meet a fellow,
645
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,960
All That cast member
who's coming forward publicly
646
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,260
for the first time.
647
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:13,960
There were certainly
some passes, you know.
648
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,430
-That he made on you.
-Yeah.
649
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:20,100
Joining us now
for an exclusive interview
650
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,960
is an actor from All That
who's coming forward
651
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,100
for the first time.
652
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:25,960
Shane Lyons, thank you
for being here today.
653
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,100
-Thanks for having me.
-You bet.
654
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,460
So what was it like
for you on the set?
655
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:30,300
It was pretty dynamic.
656
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,700
And for someonewho always wanted to be
657
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,260
a funny guy on television,you know,
658
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,660
I wouldn't sayit was a dream come true,
659
00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:41,460
but it seemed likea really great stepping stone.
660
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:43,560
I always wanted to belike Chris Farley
661
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,500
and be on Saturday Night Live.
662
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,160
So this felt like, "Okay,
I'm gonna be doing that
663
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,260
in my future, and this is
a great place to start."
664
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:52,960
And then was there a point
where that shifted?
665
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,000
Yeah, they just fired me.
666
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,700
And I never learned why.
667
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:02,160
I was 16 and my contract
wasn't picked up.
668
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800
I think I'm sort of a unique
case and really lucky,
669
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,160
in that my parents
were chefs.
670
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,900
I knew that no matter what,
671
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,500
I can kind of follow
in my mom's footsteps--
672
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,260
A lot of young actors
don't have that.
673
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:13,360
Their dream is to do this show
and then this show
674
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,560
and then bigger and bigger.
675
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,400
Right, and we're setting them
up for failure.
676
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,860
We acknowledge that,
"Oh, it's really hard
677
00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:20,100
to go from a child actor
into an adult actor."
678
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,000
Yes, okay,
but what are we doing in the process
679
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
of a young actor who's on set?
680
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,000
What sort of continuing
education are we providing them?
681
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,660
Why did you wanna
come forward?
682
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:34,160
I think the only way
we can change
683
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,260
is to really evaluate
the past.
684
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:38,800
And I have some perspective
to share on that
685
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,860
and I felt
like it was important.
686
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:42,660
You were on the set
with Brian Peck.
687
00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:44,160
I was on the set
with Brian Peck, yeah.
688
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,060
Was he as charmingas people would describe him?
689
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:50,000
- I mean--- 100%, 100%.
690
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,260
And we were enamored with,
at least me personally,
691
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:57,260
that there is an adult
who's also a cast member
692
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:58,660
who is someone that we knew
693
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:01,500
we could kind ofrun things by,
694
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,860
work with, improvise with.
695
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:05,000
It was very helpfulin that context.
696
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Since you knew Brian Peck,
697
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,860
-when you heard Drake's story,
-Hmm.
698
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:10,960
what did you think?
699
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,300
I think
it was very brave of him
700
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,760
to go on national television
and say it.
701
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,660
And the specificity
of what Brian did
702
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,000
was something nobody knew.
703
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Uh, and it's absolutely
gut-wrenching.
704
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:31,230
That poor kid, now man,
it's gut-wrenching.
705
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,900
And I feel very blessed
and lucky
706
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,330
that nothing like that
happened to me.
707
00:35:43,460 --> 00:35:47,060
There were certainly
some passes, you know?
708
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:49,200
-That he made on you.
-Yeah.
709
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,700
Did you realize at the time
that they were passes?
710
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,100
No, when he asked me if I knew
what blue balls was,
711
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,330
I thought
they were racquetballs.
712
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
What did he say?
713
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Some conversation was
happening in the green room
714
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,700
and we get called to set
and Brian follows behind me
715
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,600
and I'm kind of alone
in the green room set
716
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,360
and he sits next to me
and goes,
717
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,600
because previously
in the conversation
718
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,660
they were talking
about blue balls.
719
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,260
And I just didn't know
what they were.
720
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:14,560
And he goes, "Well, we know what
blue balls are, right, Shane?"
721
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560
And I said,
"Yeah, like racquetballs."
722
00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:21,960
Right, I'm a kid, 13, 14.
723
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,160
You know,
and as I think back now,
724
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,100
as an adult, as a 36 year old,
725
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,760
and I go, would I ever have
a conversation
726
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,600
with a 13 year old boy
like he had with me?
727
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,300
No, it makes
absolutely zero sense
728
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,860
for a 13 year old girl
or 13 year old anybody.
729
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,900
They're kids,
why are you talking like that?
730
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,900
What would a protection
for kids on the set,
731
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,460
since you were on the set,
that makes sense,
732
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:47,600
that's doable,
that's enforceable,
733
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,060
that could work,
what does it look like?
734
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:51,260
So, updating the law
first and foremost,
735
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:57,000
so that no individual who is
a convicted child molester
736
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,100
can ever get on
a Hollywood set again.
737
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:02,560
And currently there's
a loophole in the law
738
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,800
that as long as there's
a guardian or a parent
739
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,800
omnipresent on the set,
they don't have to hire people
740
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,360
who go through
a background check.
741
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,200
And I think more broadly,
742
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,760
when you have
a cult of personality
743
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,660
in any work environment,
744
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:18,360
inevitably it's ripefor toxicity.
745
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,160
We get into their sphere
and their orbit,
746
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,430
and no one wants to disrupt
what's happening,
747
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:26,160
above or below.
748
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,460
Dan said he had many,
many layers above him.
749
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,400
He had a boss
and his boss had a boss
750
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,660
and his boss had a boss.
751
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:38,760
Well, it sounds like the
farmer that blames the tractor
752
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,260
for the poor harvest,
it's like, "Not me, man."
753
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:46,460
You shirk responsibility,
it's pretty simple.
754
00:37:46,460 --> 00:37:48,700
When you're not at a point
in your life
755
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,060
to take ownership
of the mistakes you made,
756
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,560
um, the first thing to do
757
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560
is to shift the blame
to someone else.
758
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,560
I think the lessons that
hopefully the perpetrators
759
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,260
highlighted in this film
can learn,
760
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:03,660
because that's ultimately
what needs to happen
761
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:05,760
is them learning and
everyone else learning too.
762
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,300
If they can't do that,
then there's no chance
763
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:11,000
of them actually growing
or changing or evolving.
764
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,460
It must feel good to have
all your voices elevated
765
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,000
in this particular project,
766
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,700
and I would love
to bring out your co-stars.
767
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,260
Giovonnie, why don't I put you
here in the middle?
768
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:22,360
And Bryan, welcome back here.
769
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:24,030
Hi.
770
00:38:24,030 --> 00:38:25,800
It's nice to have
you guys together.
771
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760
-I go for the fist and he gives the hand.
-Knuckle sandwich.
772
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,700
Knuckle sandwich, all right.
773
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,800
You did
your interviews individually.
774
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,500
-You weren't in a big
group together. -No.
775
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,260
So this has been a time
for you guys to kind of like,
776
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:42,330
- do a little reunion.
- Yeah.
777
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,160
These are the people
I grew up with.
778
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,360
These are my brothers.
779
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,260
We have this special
connection with each other,
780
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:52,760
and even if we don't see
each other every day,
781
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,460
it's like we pick up
where we left off.
782
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:58,800
You know, as soon as I saw
Shane, I was like,
783
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,900
-my Papa Bear's back.
-I'm Papa Bear.
784
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,360
Yes, like as soon as
I saw Bryan,
785
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,460
- I was like my little bro, like no time has passed.
- -Yeah.
786
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:13,000
And it's just disheartening
787
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,660
-that it had to be this
-Hmm.
788
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,100
that brought us
back together again.
789
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,760
Have you all been
just surprised
790
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,600
at the impact
of this documentary?
791
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,900
Yes, I didn't know
what to expect.
792
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,800
I had high hopes,
but I wanna say that
793
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,060
I appreciate Emma and Mary
so much for being real people.
794
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:39,030
Hmm.
795
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:41,360
I've said before,these people approached us,
796
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,660
we didn't know who they were,
so we were apprehensive.
797
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:46,360
And we definitely had
our guard up, for sure.
798
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,100
But once we realized,
yo, these people
799
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,060
care about the people,
they care about the story,
800
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:57,260
-and they wanna get the truth
out, -The truth out.
801
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:59,700
or you can visit online.rainn,R-A-I-N-N.org.
802
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,760
How about for you, Shane?
Have you been surprised?
803
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,460
I think when something
that's potentially explosive
804
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,360
always comes out,
you sort of have this like...
805
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,660
...moment of hold your breath,
806
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:12,100
is it what's gonna
really happen?
807
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,500
And I am hoping
that the impact sustains,
808
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,400
and it's not just a flash
in the pan of the interest,
809
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,360
but there's real change
that needs to occur.
810
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,100
And I'm hoping this is a first
stepping stone for that.
811
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,460
I really want
to thank you guys
812
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:31,460
for being part
of this conversation,
813
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:33,460
really all the guests for being
part of this conversation.
814
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:36,500
You are truly the heroes
of this story,
815
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,600
and it requires
a lot of bravery
816
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,060
to come forward
and tell your story.
817
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:42,160
And when you don't know,
you know,
818
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,200
what the impact is gonna be,
what the fallout's gonna be,
819
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,500
so you should know
you're really having
820
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:49,160
a hugely positive impact
821
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,500
on people
who've been watching.
822
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:52,560
It's a big deal,
and we appreciate it.
823
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,660
And in case you haven't had
a chance to watch,
824
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:59,360
all four episodes are
currently streaming on Max.
825
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,660
Thank you for joining us.
826
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:03,460
If you or someone you knowhas been affected
827
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,660
by sexual abuse,help is available 24-7
828
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:09,360
through the NationalSexual Assault Hotline.
829
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,560
You can call 800-656-HOPE,
830
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,260
or you can visit online.rainn,R-A-I-N-N.org.
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