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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,004 --> 00:00:04,448 This is the city. 2 00:00:04,472 --> 00:00:06,749 Los Angeles, California. 3 00:00:06,773 --> 00:00:08,318 I work here. 4 00:00:08,342 --> 00:00:09,975 I carry a badge. 5 00:00:16,417 --> 00:00:18,628 The story you're about to see is true. 6 00:00:18,652 --> 00:00:22,021 The names have been changed to protect the innocent. 7 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:55,532 It was Thursday, October 10th. 8 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:56,866 It was cool in Los Angeles. 9 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,034 We were working the day watch 10 00:00:58,058 --> 00:00:59,536 out of Internal Affairs Division. 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,970 The boss is Captain Bradley. 12 00:01:00,994 --> 00:01:02,339 My partner is Bill Gannon. 13 00:01:02,363 --> 00:01:04,006 My name's Friday. 14 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:06,376 When any member of the Los Angeles Police Department 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,077 is accused of misconduct, 16 00:01:08,101 --> 00:01:09,812 it's the job Internal Affairs Division 17 00:01:09,836 --> 00:01:11,881 to conduct an investigation. 18 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:14,651 We checked in with the acting commander of Sunset Division. 19 00:01:14,675 --> 00:01:18,054 An accusation had come from a man in custody at the division. 20 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:19,922 His name was John Meadows. 21 00:01:19,946 --> 00:01:21,725 His charge against the arresting officer, 22 00:01:21,749 --> 00:01:23,749 police brutality 23 00:01:31,124 --> 00:01:32,202 You're the men from IAD? 24 00:01:32,226 --> 00:01:33,203 Yes, sir. 25 00:01:33,227 --> 00:01:34,370 Bill Gannon and Joe Friday. 26 00:01:34,394 --> 00:01:35,371 The captain's off sick. 27 00:01:35,395 --> 00:01:36,406 I'm acting commander. 28 00:01:36,430 --> 00:01:37,574 How do you want to handle this? 29 00:01:37,598 --> 00:01:39,175 Some place we could use for an interview room? 30 00:01:39,199 --> 00:01:41,444 - My office would be all right? - Yes, sir, fine. 31 00:01:41,468 --> 00:01:42,679 Do you have the complainant's statement, Lieutenant? 32 00:01:42,703 --> 00:01:44,146 Being typed up now. 33 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:46,416 Have you had a chance to check Hillier's personnel file? 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,184 Only briefly, sir. Brought it along with us. 35 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:49,885 Let me save you some reading time. 36 00:01:49,909 --> 00:01:51,454 Ed Hillier has been assigned here 37 00:01:51,478 --> 00:01:53,155 since he graduated from the academy. 38 00:01:53,179 --> 00:01:55,692 His personnel rating reports put him in the top 10%. 39 00:01:55,716 --> 00:01:57,026 I just put through a commendation 40 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:58,628 that should earn him the medal of valor. 41 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:00,963 Served in Vietnam, wounded, decorated. 42 00:02:00,987 --> 00:02:02,965 Military service record reads as good 43 00:02:02,989 --> 00:02:04,234 as the one he's piled up here. 44 00:02:04,258 --> 00:02:06,703 College man, two years. Happily married. 45 00:02:06,727 --> 00:02:08,438 Sounds like you've been keeping an eye on him, Lieutenant? 46 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:09,905 How do you mean that? 47 00:02:09,929 --> 00:02:12,342 Well, you seem to have made a special study of this Hillier. 48 00:02:12,366 --> 00:02:14,577 No more than the other 200 men at this station. 49 00:02:14,601 --> 00:02:16,512 I make it my business to know about them. 50 00:02:16,536 --> 00:02:17,513 And that's what's gnawing at me inside. 51 00:02:17,537 --> 00:02:19,249 Yes, sir. 52 00:02:19,273 --> 00:02:20,717 In my book, Ed Hillier adds up 53 00:02:20,741 --> 00:02:22,452 to an intelligent, dedicated policeman. 54 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:25,588 Now, if the charge against him is true, the question is this, 55 00:02:25,612 --> 00:02:28,057 Did Hillier fail us, or did we fail him? 56 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:30,727 Is there something I'm not giving my people at roll call? 57 00:02:30,751 --> 00:02:34,063 Is it the training program or did we simply misjudge this man 58 00:02:34,087 --> 00:02:36,266 when we said he was good enough to wear a badge? 59 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:38,100 Well, that's part of what we're here to find out, sir. 60 00:02:38,124 --> 00:02:40,002 While you're at it, maybe you can find this out. 61 00:02:40,026 --> 00:02:41,537 Is it possible the department 62 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:43,105 expects too much of these young officers? 63 00:02:43,129 --> 00:02:44,940 - How do you mean, sir? - How long has it been 64 00:02:44,964 --> 00:02:46,476 since either one of you have been out on the street? 65 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:47,543 It's been a while. 66 00:02:47,567 --> 00:02:49,044 I don't get out there much, either. 67 00:02:49,068 --> 00:02:50,313 I'm nailed to this desk. 68 00:02:50,337 --> 00:02:52,214 But I hear it and see it every day... 69 00:02:52,238 --> 00:02:54,016 The name calling, the verbal abuse, 70 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,985 the days a policeman has become the symbol 71 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:57,353 of the so called establishment, 72 00:02:57,377 --> 00:02:58,888 the visual target for practically 73 00:02:58,912 --> 00:03:00,823 every gripe society has these days. 74 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,692 I don't mean to sound like a bleeding heart, 75 00:03:02,716 --> 00:03:03,726 but it's true isn't it? 76 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:04,827 It seems to be. Yes, sir. 77 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:05,895 I'm sorry. 78 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,497 I'll climb out of my box now. 79 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,064 I didn't mean to put you two through all that. 80 00:03:09,088 --> 00:03:10,900 We understand sir. 81 00:03:10,924 --> 00:03:13,670 - You ought to talk to Reed and Malloy of the backup team. - Yes, sir we will. 82 00:03:13,694 --> 00:03:15,438 I told him to wait before they go off watch. 83 00:03:15,462 --> 00:03:17,973 Yes, sir that will be fine. 84 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:21,377 - I'd hate to lose Hillier. He's a good man. - Yes, sir. 85 00:03:21,401 --> 00:03:24,836 But if he's turned sour, he's no good to the department. 86 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:30,152 9:30 am. 87 00:03:30,176 --> 00:03:31,788 Bill picked up the complainant's statement 88 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:33,222 and the arrest report. 89 00:03:33,246 --> 00:03:35,825 I examined Officer Ed Hillier's personnel record. 90 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:37,993 We asked the jailer to bring the complainant, 91 00:03:38,017 --> 00:03:39,662 John Meadows, to the office. 92 00:03:39,686 --> 00:03:42,799 - All right. You want to sit down there? - Okay. 93 00:03:42,823 --> 00:03:44,467 He's Sgt. Friday, my name's Gannon. 94 00:03:44,491 --> 00:03:47,203 - We're from Internal Affairs Division. - What's that? 95 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:50,139 Well among other things, Internal Affairs investigates complaints 96 00:03:50,163 --> 00:03:52,408 against police officers and you filed a complaint. 97 00:03:52,432 --> 00:03:54,076 It's a pretty good deal, isn't it? 98 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:55,144 Oh? How's that sir? 99 00:03:55,168 --> 00:03:56,912 Policemen investigating policemen. 100 00:03:56,936 --> 00:03:58,348 Let me explain it to you. 101 00:03:58,372 --> 00:04:00,616 We're here because the Chief of Police 102 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,017 cares about your complaint, 103 00:04:02,041 --> 00:04:03,653 so does the Police Commission. 104 00:04:03,677 --> 00:04:05,588 When we've completed our investigation here, 105 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:08,424 the chief or a board of accused policeman's 106 00:04:08,448 --> 00:04:11,394 superior officers will weigh the evidence and make a decision. 107 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:12,628 Now, Officer Hillier, 108 00:04:12,652 --> 00:04:15,130 the man you've accused could be reprimanded, 109 00:04:15,154 --> 00:04:18,668 suspended for up to six months without pay, or fired, 110 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:20,436 or he could be cleared of the charges. 111 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:23,005 But it's still policemen passing judgment on a policeman. 112 00:04:23,029 --> 00:04:25,341 Regardless of what decision the department makes, 113 00:04:25,365 --> 00:04:27,977 you're still entitled to file whatever legal action you might 114 00:04:28,001 --> 00:04:29,812 care to bring against the arresting officer. 115 00:04:29,836 --> 00:04:31,414 - Is that clear? - I see. 116 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:34,851 Now as far as policemen passing judgment on policemen, 117 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:37,219 wouldn't it be a good idea to wait and see the outcome before 118 00:04:37,243 --> 00:04:38,554 you make up your mind it's one-sided? 119 00:04:38,578 --> 00:04:40,111 Maybe. We'll see. 120 00:04:41,314 --> 00:04:43,225 All right, sir, state your true name. 121 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:45,060 John Everett Meadows Jr. 122 00:04:45,084 --> 00:04:46,662 Your address please. 123 00:04:46,686 --> 00:04:49,131 221 Garland Street. 124 00:04:49,155 --> 00:04:51,000 Have you ever been arrested before? 125 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:52,502 Yeah, four times. 126 00:04:52,526 --> 00:04:54,203 You want to give us the circumstances? 127 00:04:54,227 --> 00:04:57,139 1951, back in Omaha, Nebraska. 128 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:58,441 I was 12 years old. 129 00:04:58,465 --> 00:04:59,942 I liked ball games. 130 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:01,977 I had a big thing for the left field fence. 131 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:03,479 The management couldn't see it. 132 00:05:03,503 --> 00:05:04,781 All right Mr. Meadows, 133 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:07,617 will you tell us what happened at 221 Garland Street 134 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:11,053 at approximately 1:47 am this morning, October 10? 135 00:05:11,077 --> 00:05:12,855 I told it all once to that Sergeant. 136 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:15,525 - We'd like to hear it again if you would, please. - All right. 137 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:18,160 But first, I want to make one thing abundantly clear. 138 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:19,295 Yeah, sir. Go ahead. 139 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:20,663 I'm no cook. 140 00:05:20,687 --> 00:05:22,164 I work for a living. 141 00:05:22,188 --> 00:05:25,568 I don't burn draft cards, pick at politicians or smoke pot. 142 00:05:25,592 --> 00:05:28,137 I pay my bills and I pay my taxes. 143 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:30,406 I just want to get the record straight, understood? 144 00:05:30,430 --> 00:05:32,141 Perfectly. That makes four of us. 145 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:33,409 Yeah? Who's the fourth? 146 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:34,510 Officer Hillier. 147 00:05:34,534 --> 00:05:35,912 More power to him. 148 00:05:35,936 --> 00:05:37,447 Okay. It's on the record. 149 00:05:37,471 --> 00:05:39,515 Now, you want to tell us exactly what happened? 150 00:05:39,539 --> 00:05:41,150 There wasn't much to it really. 151 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:42,952 Not to start with anyhow. 152 00:05:42,976 --> 00:05:45,955 We were having a few drinks, six of us, three couples. 153 00:05:45,979 --> 00:05:48,958 We'd work late at the store, Cliveden's over on Wilshire. 154 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:51,527 I'm a buyer there, men's furnishing's. 155 00:05:51,551 --> 00:05:53,095 They were the people I work with. 156 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:54,697 You've got their names and addresses. 157 00:05:54,721 --> 00:05:55,998 Good people, all of them. 158 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:57,299 You say you were drinking? 159 00:05:57,323 --> 00:05:59,101 Well, yeah. Not heavy. Just to unwind. 160 00:05:59,125 --> 00:06:00,336 Go on Meadows. 161 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,371 Well, I guess we got a little noisy. 162 00:06:02,395 --> 00:06:04,406 The old gal next door called the cops. 163 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:05,508 Did she tell you she called? 164 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:07,577 Yeah. So we broke it up. 165 00:06:07,601 --> 00:06:08,711 Started to anyway. 166 00:06:08,735 --> 00:06:09,979 Well how do you mean? 167 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:12,815 Well, the first couple left, Ted Nichols and his fiancé. 168 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,484 Their names are on your list. 169 00:06:14,508 --> 00:06:17,152 - Nichols? Wasn't he the 502? - 502? 170 00:06:17,176 --> 00:06:17,568 Drunk. 171 00:06:17,592 --> 00:06:20,089 Hillier said he was drunk. That's his opinion. 172 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:22,558 In my opinion, he was a long way from it. 173 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:23,993 All right, what happened then? 174 00:06:24,017 --> 00:06:25,695 Ted and his gal got in the car. 175 00:06:25,719 --> 00:06:28,731 Just then, Hillier and his partner came around the corner. 176 00:06:28,755 --> 00:06:30,199 Ted pulled away from the curve. 177 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,301 His foot slipped on the gas pedal 178 00:06:32,325 --> 00:06:34,069 and he banged into a station wagon. 179 00:06:34,093 --> 00:06:36,005 It was parked maybe 20 feet in front of him. 180 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:37,740 Hillier was just in time to see it. 181 00:06:37,764 --> 00:06:40,543 - Go on. - We heard the noise and came outside. 182 00:06:40,567 --> 00:06:42,612 Hillier was already giving Ted a bad time. 183 00:06:42,636 --> 00:06:44,279 - In what way? - What do you mean? 184 00:06:44,303 --> 00:06:47,149 Well, in what way was Officer Hillier giving Nichols a bad time? 185 00:06:47,173 --> 00:06:50,686 Oh, you know, bugging him for his license, shaking him down, 186 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:53,556 accusing him of being stoned... The whole stupid bit. 187 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,290 And Teddy is not even feeling good. 188 00:06:55,314 --> 00:06:58,460 - What happened then? - I asked this Hillier for his badge number. 189 00:06:58,484 --> 00:07:00,730 He told me to read it for myself. 190 00:07:00,754 --> 00:07:02,798 Well, I reached for his badge and he jumped back. 191 00:07:02,822 --> 00:07:04,333 And what happened next? 192 00:07:04,357 --> 00:07:07,036 Now this is when I goofed and I'm the first guy to admit it. 193 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:09,104 Hillier's partner had Teddy in the police car. 194 00:07:09,128 --> 00:07:10,372 I knew they were going to take him in 195 00:07:10,396 --> 00:07:13,275 and that really burned me up. I started for him. 196 00:07:13,299 --> 00:07:15,511 I guess Hillier thought I was going to try and get him loose. 197 00:07:15,535 --> 00:07:18,213 - Were you? - Come on Sergeant, be serious. 198 00:07:18,237 --> 00:07:20,182 With two cops around and more on the way, 199 00:07:20,206 --> 00:07:22,752 I'm going to try and spring a guy from out of a police car? 200 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,153 It's happened before. 201 00:07:24,177 --> 00:07:26,188 Well, I guess that's what Hillier must have thought. 202 00:07:26,212 --> 00:07:27,924 But I hadn't committed murder you know. 203 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:29,224 So how does Hillier react? 204 00:07:29,248 --> 00:07:31,694 Like, I just machine gunned City Hall man. 205 00:07:31,718 --> 00:07:32,762 I don't mean maybe. 206 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:34,063 He was all over me. 207 00:07:34,087 --> 00:07:36,131 And then wham down I went. 208 00:07:36,155 --> 00:07:38,868 Well exactly what do you mean by, "down I went"? 209 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:40,302 Exactly what it sounds like. 210 00:07:40,326 --> 00:07:41,604 Hillier slugged me. 211 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:42,738 Where did he strike you? 212 00:07:42,762 --> 00:07:44,406 Right here on the jaw. 213 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:46,008 Did you request medical attention? 214 00:07:46,032 --> 00:07:47,142 Well you bet I did. 215 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:49,144 It felt like that cop tore my head off. 216 00:07:49,168 --> 00:07:51,146 What did Officer Hillier strike you with? 217 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:53,515 - His fist. - His fist? 218 00:07:53,539 --> 00:07:55,250 And you say you went down? 219 00:07:55,274 --> 00:07:56,752 That's right on both knees. 220 00:07:56,776 --> 00:07:58,821 Tell me, are those the same trousers you were wearing 221 00:07:58,845 --> 00:08:00,355 when you were arrested this morning? 222 00:08:00,379 --> 00:08:02,491 - That's right. - No damage to the material is there? 223 00:08:02,515 --> 00:08:05,661 It was on the parkway. It's all grass. 224 00:08:05,685 --> 00:08:07,930 Light colored material, no grass stains. 225 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:10,099 You two just playing detective with me or 226 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:12,201 are you doing what I strongly suspect? 227 00:08:12,225 --> 00:08:14,336 Trying to whitewash this whole affair. 228 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,205 Well you said it yourself Mr. Meadows. 229 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:17,506 Oh yeah? What's that? 230 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:19,998 Just want to get the record straight. 231 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:27,083 10:10 am. 232 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,251 I called Cliveden's the clothing store 233 00:08:29,275 --> 00:08:30,686 where John Meadows worked. 234 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:31,687 I spoke to the four witnesses. 235 00:08:31,711 --> 00:08:33,656 You get a hold of them? 236 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,125 - Yeah, they all said they'd be in to give us their statements. - What about Hillier? 237 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:38,060 On his way in. He should be here in about an hour. 238 00:08:38,084 --> 00:08:39,361 Back up team, Reed and Malloy 239 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:41,030 are waiting for us in the Roll Call Room. 240 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:43,733 - Did you talk to them? - Only to say hello. Malloy is the senior man. 241 00:08:43,757 --> 00:08:46,401 - Been on the job seven years, Reed's the probationer. - Yeah. 242 00:08:46,425 --> 00:08:48,070 I don't know you take a look at that Reed. 243 00:08:48,094 --> 00:08:50,572 It seems to me they're getting younger all the time Joe. 244 00:08:50,596 --> 00:08:52,897 Or we're getting older. 245 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,054 Here's my partner, Sergeant Friday. 246 00:09:05,078 --> 00:09:06,288 - Pete Malloy. - Malloy. 247 00:09:06,312 --> 00:09:07,923 - My partner, Jim Reed. - Reed. 248 00:09:07,947 --> 00:09:10,459 - Sit down. - Reed, I might have to ask you before, 249 00:09:10,483 --> 00:09:11,694 your dad in the department? 250 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,129 - No sir, wrong Reed. - Oh. 251 00:09:13,153 --> 00:09:15,364 - Sergeant? - Yeah? 252 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:16,732 What's going to happen to Ed Hillier? 253 00:09:16,756 --> 00:09:19,301 Depends on whether the complaint against him is justified. 254 00:09:19,325 --> 00:09:20,770 What happens if it is? 255 00:09:20,794 --> 00:09:23,539 He can draw a suspension of up to 30 days without pay from 256 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:25,607 the chief or he may have to face a trial board. 257 00:09:25,631 --> 00:09:26,608 Now, you know what that is? 258 00:09:26,632 --> 00:09:27,943 Not too much, no sir. 259 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:29,679 Good try to keep it that way. 260 00:09:29,703 --> 00:09:31,647 The trial board has three other ranking officers, 261 00:09:31,671 --> 00:09:32,815 captain or above. 262 00:09:32,839 --> 00:09:34,684 The board can suspend him for up to six months 263 00:09:34,708 --> 00:09:36,118 without pay or fire him. 264 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,287 - It's kind of rough. - So is a punch in the jaw. 265 00:09:38,311 --> 00:09:42,091 Ed Hillier is a good man, smart, conscientious, 266 00:09:42,115 --> 00:09:43,625 works hard, and he likes people. 267 00:09:43,649 --> 00:09:45,695 All right. Let's talk about last night. 268 00:09:45,719 --> 00:09:47,196 There's not a whole lot to tell. 269 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:48,731 We were the backup unit. 270 00:09:48,755 --> 00:09:50,332 If Hillier punched anybody in the jaw, 271 00:09:50,356 --> 00:09:51,466 it was before we got there. 272 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:53,202 When you arrived, what was going on? 273 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:54,904 Hillier had Meadows up against his unit. 274 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:56,172 He was shaking him down. 275 00:09:56,196 --> 00:09:58,874 His partner Pollack had the 502 suspect in the backseat. 276 00:09:58,898 --> 00:09:59,942 That was Nichols? 277 00:09:59,966 --> 00:10:01,077 Ted Nichols, that's right. 278 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:02,411 What were the other people doing? 279 00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:04,113 They were drunk and loud. 280 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:05,547 Any name calling going on? 281 00:10:05,571 --> 00:10:07,817 The usual. Giving all of us a bad time. 282 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:10,452 Hillier's partner Pollack got out of the car and asked if we'd 283 00:10:10,476 --> 00:10:13,322 make the TA report and take the 502 down at the station. 284 00:10:13,346 --> 00:10:15,390 Said they had to drive the other guy to Central Receiving. 285 00:10:15,414 --> 00:10:18,194 - Did he say why? - He said he'd been hurt resisting arrest. 286 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:20,029 - Who said? - Hillier. 287 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:22,031 What did you do then? 288 00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:23,999 We cleared the area then went back on patrol. 289 00:10:24,023 --> 00:10:26,268 This Nichols, did he appear drunk to you? 290 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:28,037 He was definitely under the influence. 291 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:30,906 He registered 0.2 on in the BA. It was a good arrest Sergeant. 292 00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:32,608 All right, we'll go over all this again 293 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:34,110 when you make your individual statements. 294 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:35,377 But I want you to think carefully 295 00:10:35,401 --> 00:10:36,846 about what I'm going to ask you now. 296 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:38,180 Did Hillier seem upset? 297 00:10:38,204 --> 00:10:41,617 Did he do anything out of the ordinary? Reed? 298 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:42,684 Not that I noticed. 299 00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:43,685 Malloy? 300 00:10:43,709 --> 00:10:44,954 He said something. 301 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:46,989 Maybe it's important, maybe it isn't. 302 00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:48,190 Everything's important. 303 00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:49,424 When I first walked up to him, 304 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:51,560 he turned his head toward me and kind of whispered. 305 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:52,661 What did he say? 306 00:10:52,685 --> 00:10:54,696 "I'm sick," he said. 307 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,188 "I'm so sick I could vomit." 308 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:13,883 10:30 am. 309 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,019 We talked with Officer Ed Hillier's partner, 310 00:11:16,043 --> 00:11:19,389 Tom Pollack in the Sunset Division coffee room. 311 00:11:19,413 --> 00:11:24,760 11 am, the 502 suspect Ted Nichols was brought from his 312 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:27,163 jail cell to the watch commander's office. 313 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,399 Nichols managed the men's sportswear department 314 00:11:29,423 --> 00:11:31,634 at the same store where Meadows worked. 315 00:11:31,658 --> 00:11:34,137 He had put up bail and was technically free to go. 316 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:36,572 Rough night Sergeant, really rough. 317 00:11:36,596 --> 00:11:37,873 So we understand. 318 00:11:37,897 --> 00:11:39,375 I don't know what you understand, 319 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:42,311 but I'm telling you my part of it was real rough. 320 00:11:42,335 --> 00:11:45,181 I drink too much, you know that? 321 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:46,982 Mr. Nichols, you know why you're here? 322 00:11:47,006 --> 00:11:50,253 Some kind of mix up that has to do Johnny Meadows. Is that it? 323 00:11:50,277 --> 00:11:52,188 Yes, sir, we'd like you to tell us what happened over 324 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:53,523 on Garland this morning. 325 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:56,426 You've got to believe I was out of it most of the time, 326 00:11:56,450 --> 00:11:57,960 at least from 9 o'clock on. 327 00:11:57,984 --> 00:11:59,762 That's when we started hitting the juice. 328 00:11:59,786 --> 00:12:01,464 Just tell us what you remember. 329 00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:02,631 Beginning when? 330 00:12:02,655 --> 00:12:04,800 At the beginning as best you can recall. 331 00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:07,370 Well, we were in Johnny's apartment. 332 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:10,639 The stereo was going full blast. 333 00:12:10,663 --> 00:12:12,908 Everybody was laughing at Patsy. 334 00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:14,810 She's a real kick, you know. 335 00:12:14,834 --> 00:12:17,513 She does a great imitation of an opera singer. 336 00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:19,815 A real talented girl Patsy is. 337 00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:21,750 Yes, sir. Go on, please. 338 00:12:21,774 --> 00:12:23,519 Well there's a knock on the apartment door, 339 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:24,853 Johnny opened it. 340 00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:27,490 I saw this heavy set lady. 341 00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:29,225 She said she'd had it with all the noise 342 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:32,128 and the cops were on the way. That was all I had to hear. 343 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:35,598 As soon as the woman left, I grabbed Alice by the arm and took off. 344 00:12:35,622 --> 00:12:38,367 We ran outside and jumped in the car. 345 00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:39,902 I couldn't get it started though. 346 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:41,837 I was nervous, I guess. 347 00:12:41,861 --> 00:12:45,141 Just as it did fire up, I looked in the rearview mirror 348 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:47,243 and a police car was pulling in behind us. 349 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:49,212 Well, now why were you nervous Mr. Nichols? 350 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:51,514 Simple, I'm scared to death of cops. 351 00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,682 Don't ask me why. I just am. 352 00:12:53,706 --> 00:12:55,151 Ever been arrested before? 353 00:12:55,175 --> 00:12:58,020 No, sir. I was raised to believe anybody that 354 00:12:58,044 --> 00:12:59,888 had ever been arrested was a bum. 355 00:12:59,912 --> 00:13:01,157 I'm no bum. 356 00:13:01,181 --> 00:13:04,727 A drunken bum maybe but not an ordinary bum. 357 00:13:04,751 --> 00:13:07,830 What happened after you saw the police car pulling in behind you? 358 00:13:07,854 --> 00:13:09,865 I was looking in the rearview mirror at 359 00:13:09,889 --> 00:13:12,835 that black and white car and I stepped on the gas. 360 00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:14,670 There was a crash and the next thing 361 00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:16,839 I knew somebody's helping me out of the car. 362 00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:18,241 Would you go on, please? 363 00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:20,843 I've gone on just about as far as I can go on. 364 00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,679 I remember looking at a policeman. 365 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:26,682 I remember walking in the police station. 366 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:30,286 I remember blowing into some kind of gadget. 367 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,922 I remember being here right now and that's it. 368 00:13:33,946 --> 00:13:35,958 Do you recall any kind of altercation? 369 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,427 - What do you mean? - Anybody hit anybody. 370 00:13:38,451 --> 00:13:41,264 It sure wouldn't have been me. I couldn't find the sidewalk. 371 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:43,366 Somebody hit somebody? Who says? 372 00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,235 - One of the cops claimed Johnny hit him? - The other way around. 373 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:49,605 - Johnny says he got slugged by one of the cops? - That's what he says. 374 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:52,808 - I don't know about you, but I believe him. - Is that right? 375 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,211 I've known Johnny Meadows for over 10 years 376 00:13:55,235 --> 00:13:57,935 and I've never known him to lie about anything. 377 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,454 11:40 a.m. 378 00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:08,524 Officer Edward W. Hillier reported in for his interview. 379 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:11,360 He told us substantially the same story that we had gotten 380 00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,429 from his partner and from the backup team, 381 00:14:13,453 --> 00:14:15,565 Officers Reed and Malloy. 382 00:14:15,589 --> 00:14:17,633 Hillier had been removed from field duty 383 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:19,202 and placed on station duty 384 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:22,004 pending the outcome of the IAD investigation. 385 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:23,639 We asked the suspect and his passenger 386 00:14:23,663 --> 00:14:24,807 to get out of the vehicle. 387 00:14:24,831 --> 00:14:26,342 They complied. 388 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,744 My partner started to interrogate the woman passenger. 389 00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:31,414 I asked the suspect for his driver's license. 390 00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:33,216 His name was Ted Nichols. 391 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,418 We didn't try to give him the field sobriety exam. 392 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:36,819 He was so drunk, we were afraid 393 00:14:36,843 --> 00:14:38,421 he might fall down and hurt himself. 394 00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:39,888 At this point, I heard loud voices, 395 00:14:39,912 --> 00:14:42,458 and I observed four people, two men and two women, 396 00:14:42,482 --> 00:14:45,027 approaching from the duplex at 221 Garland. 397 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:48,297 The person doing all the talking was a man named John Meadows 398 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:50,866 who we later booked for interfering due to the fact that 399 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,236 he grabbed my partner's arm and tried to prevent him from 400 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,371 placing the 502 suspect in our unit. 401 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,673 You say Meadows was doing all the talking. 402 00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:58,974 Exactly what did he say? 403 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:01,043 - The usual things, you know. - Tell us. 404 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:05,013 He called us the Gestapo, fuzz, storm troopers, 405 00:15:05,037 --> 00:15:06,382 the usual things you hear. 406 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:08,451 Said we had no right to shove his friend around, 407 00:15:08,475 --> 00:15:11,520 that he... Nichols, didn't do any damage to the Ford wagon. 408 00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,456 - Was there any damage? - Yes, sir. 409 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,090 The rear bumper guards were sheared off and 410 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:16,792 the left rear tail light was smashed. 411 00:15:16,816 --> 00:15:18,160 All right, Hillier, go on. 412 00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:20,529 Well, this Meadows asked me for my badge number. 413 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:23,031 I put my thumb behind the shield and turned my light on. 414 00:15:23,055 --> 00:15:25,033 He reached out to grab the badge. 415 00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:28,203 I told him not to touch it but to take down the number if that's what he wanted. 416 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:31,507 And he made a grab for it. He got the fingers of his right hand around the badge. 417 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,410 I twisted away to my left breaking his hold. 418 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,845 I heard my shirt rip. That's when he said it. 419 00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:39,715 - Said what? - Called me a pig cop. 420 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,617 He said all cops were filthy pigs 421 00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:43,419 and their wives were sowbelly pigs. 422 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,020 Those were his exact words? 423 00:15:45,044 --> 00:15:46,489 Yes, sir, his exact words. 424 00:15:46,513 --> 00:15:48,491 Sergeant, before I put that uniform on, 425 00:15:48,515 --> 00:15:50,793 nobody ever called me a pig before... 426 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:53,296 Nobody... my wife, either. 427 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,464 And I'm tired of hearing it. 428 00:15:55,488 --> 00:15:56,899 What happened then? 429 00:15:56,923 --> 00:15:58,567 I told him I was taking him in 430 00:15:58,591 --> 00:15:59,769 for interfering with an arrest. 431 00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:01,404 He said, "Try it, pig." 432 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:02,738 And that's when it happened. 433 00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:03,806 When what happened? 434 00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:05,841 - I backhanded him. - Show us how. 435 00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:08,143 I'm like this with the back of my right hand. 436 00:16:08,167 --> 00:16:11,714 - Where did you hit him? - Across the right cheek, lower portion of his right jaw. 437 00:16:11,738 --> 00:16:14,016 - Did you cut him? - No, sir, I didn't. 438 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,519 He said he was hurt so we drove him over to Central Receiving. 439 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:17,886 You can check his MT slip. 440 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:19,221 No visible injury. 441 00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:21,290 All right, Hillier, anything else you want to add? 442 00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:22,825 What else is there to say? 443 00:16:22,849 --> 00:16:26,028 I'm cooked, and I know it. 444 00:16:26,052 --> 00:16:28,331 - Let me ask you something, Hillier. - Yes, sir. 445 00:16:28,355 --> 00:16:30,666 Why do you think you struck that man? 446 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,536 You're a good policeman, outstanding record on the job, 447 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,770 and you know better, don't you? 448 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,605 - I guess. - You guess or you know? 449 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:38,574 I'll tell you what I know, Sergeant. 450 00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:41,910 Lately I've taken everything from verbal abuse and threats 451 00:16:41,934 --> 00:16:44,847 to being hospitalized by a guy with the DTs. 452 00:16:44,871 --> 00:16:46,849 In the last eight months I've had two windshields 453 00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:47,950 busted out of my unit. 454 00:16:47,974 --> 00:16:49,918 First time, it was a 30-aught-6 slug. 455 00:16:49,942 --> 00:16:52,187 The guy who fired it just didn't like cops. 456 00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:53,989 Second time, it was a brick. 457 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,792 Kid who threw it had to take time out from what he was doing 458 00:16:56,816 --> 00:16:58,093 burning the American flag. 459 00:16:58,117 --> 00:16:59,362 I've lost count how many dents we've had 460 00:16:59,386 --> 00:17:00,796 to roll out of the unit. 461 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,631 Rocks, bottles, chunks of lumber. 462 00:17:02,655 --> 00:17:03,966 You name it, they throw it, 463 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:07,670 the people who we're hired to protect and serve. 464 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,137 You guys tell me. 465 00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:10,406 I can't pull up an answer. 466 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:12,140 Would you say that this Meadows could have been 467 00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:13,876 the last straw, maybe, is that it? 468 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,210 Maybe. 469 00:17:15,234 --> 00:17:16,979 When that guy was clawing at my badge 470 00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:18,280 and screeching at me, 471 00:17:18,304 --> 00:17:20,215 all I could seem to see were the faces. 472 00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:21,684 The angry mouths of everybody 473 00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,652 I've come in contact with the last few months. 474 00:17:23,676 --> 00:17:25,388 I guess that's who I was backhanding... 475 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:27,556 Every one of them, not just Meadows. 476 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,492 Hillier, your personal history card 477 00:17:29,516 --> 00:17:31,293 lists a whole string of commendations 478 00:17:31,317 --> 00:17:33,629 from those angry citizens you have to serve. 479 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:35,631 But if it didn't list one, so what? 480 00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:37,099 You pick up your check, don't you? 481 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:39,468 You get paid to be a policeman, not to be loved. 482 00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:41,771 Well, you don't buy that 100%, do you, Sergeant? 483 00:17:41,795 --> 00:17:45,441 No. I'd like a kind word now and again. 484 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:48,878 When they don't come, I write it off as part of the job. 485 00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:52,047 When you first put that uniform on nobody every told you you'd 486 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,916 be running in a popularity contest, now did they? 487 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:55,217 No, sir, they didn't. 488 00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:58,454 Your PRR puts you in the top 10% of the department. 489 00:17:58,478 --> 00:18:00,122 Now to me, that indicates a trained, capable, 490 00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:04,460 disciplined police officer not a back alley brawler. 491 00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:06,629 You were riding with a young partner. 492 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:09,064 What kind of example do you think you set for him? 493 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,933 And worse, you committed 494 00:18:10,957 --> 00:18:12,902 one of the cardinal sins in our business. 495 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,437 You struck a man. 496 00:18:14,461 --> 00:18:15,871 And I'll use your words, 497 00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:18,541 a man you're hired to protect and to serve. 498 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:21,143 Now one last thing, Hillier, and maybe 499 00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:23,111 this is the most pregnant issue of all. 500 00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:25,380 These are tenuous times we live in. 501 00:18:25,404 --> 00:18:27,783 The young people in this country are groping, searching for a 502 00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:29,585 direction and they're having trouble finding it. 503 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,855 The older people in our society are not much better off. 504 00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:35,424 They seem to have lost or misplaced one of our great 505 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:38,794 American commodities, a true sense of the real values. 506 00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:41,029 The values that built this country 507 00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:42,998 into the great one that it is. 508 00:18:43,022 --> 00:18:44,867 I'll tell you I never thought I'd live to see the day that it 509 00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:48,471 had become stylish to shout down constituted law injustice, to 510 00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:51,874 scream police brutality at almost every opportunity. 511 00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:54,242 There's the key to this, Hillier. 512 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,311 When you lost control this morning at 2 a.m. 513 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:59,147 out there on Garland Street, you laid another bruise 514 00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:01,617 on every man who wears a uniform and a badge. 515 00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:04,753 Your newspaper story will give credence to those whose sole aim 516 00:19:04,777 --> 00:19:06,889 is to kick authority right in the groin. 517 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,491 And you've shaken the confidence of those who 518 00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:10,459 believe in order with justice. 519 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:14,162 A lot more went down out there on Garland Street 520 00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:19,735 this morning besides a man being struck by a policeman. 521 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,637 But is it asking too much Sergeant? 522 00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,672 - What's that? - The people. 523 00:19:23,696 --> 00:19:24,874 What about them? 524 00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:28,900 Can't they see there are two sides to it? 525 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:37,586 12 noon, Officer Ed Hillier's wife asked 526 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:38,954 if she could talk to us. 527 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:40,689 Can I get you a cup of coffee, Mrs. Hillier? 528 00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:42,357 No thank you. 529 00:19:42,381 --> 00:19:44,326 I'll make this as brief as possible. 530 00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:45,794 I know you men are busy. 531 00:19:45,818 --> 00:19:47,630 Take your time. We're not that busy. 532 00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:48,931 Thank you. 533 00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,700 I'm scared to death, I really am. 534 00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:53,536 There's no need to be, Mrs. Hillier. 535 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,605 I feel that Ed's whole future is at stake. 536 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:59,441 Please don't let him be fired. Please. 537 00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:02,044 Well it isn't up to us, but he'll be given a fair hearing. 538 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:03,278 I brought this. 539 00:20:03,302 --> 00:20:06,749 I thought it might help prove Ed's story. 540 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:10,085 He thinks it's a blouse I'm taking back to the store. 541 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:11,820 Open it, please. 542 00:20:11,844 --> 00:20:13,989 That's why I wanted to talk to you. 543 00:20:14,013 --> 00:20:15,891 Ed said he didn't think it would make much difference 544 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,660 but I hope it will. 545 00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:18,694 Ed's shirt? 546 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:21,129 Yes, the one he wore last night. 547 00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:24,700 - You can see it's torn there where he wears his badge. - Yes, ma'am. 548 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,235 Well, that proves he's telling the truth, doesn't it? 549 00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,638 We're not questioning his truthfulness Mrs. Hillier. 550 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:32,307 - Ed's a good policeman Sergeant. - Yes, ma'am. 551 00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:34,176 He's never made a mistake before. 552 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,678 This was a big one. 553 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:37,145 He mustn't lose his job. 554 00:20:37,169 --> 00:20:40,749 It's his life, his whole life. 555 00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,608 That's all there is to it. 556 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:49,892 6:30 p.m. 557 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,595 We interviewed the first of the four witnesses who were in 558 00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:54,362 Meadow's apartment the night of the incident. 559 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:56,932 Look, there's no question about it, that cop cuffed Johnny. 560 00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:58,200 What do you mean cuffed him? 561 00:20:58,224 --> 00:20:59,735 Like this it was with the back of his hand 562 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,004 right across the face. He gave him a good whack. 563 00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:05,273 Was there any provocation for Officer Hillier striking Meadows? 564 00:21:05,297 --> 00:21:07,442 - How do you mean? - Was there any name calling? 565 00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:10,668 Not a word. That cop just hit him for no reason. 566 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,018 The next witness was a clerk at the store. 567 00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:18,153 Her name was Patsy Cronin. 568 00:21:18,177 --> 00:21:19,354 Well, I should say so. 569 00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:20,589 They always seem to get a kick out of 570 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,858 my opera star impersonations. 571 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:25,628 - Yes, ma'am. - You say you heard some name calling? 572 00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:26,862 I sure did. 573 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:29,098 Johnny Meadows is a pain when he gets tanked. 574 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:32,267 Called that policeman a pig... His wife, too. 575 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,636 Want to know what I think? 576 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,937 Yes, ma'am, what do you think? 577 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,772 I don't blame that officer. 578 00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,763 I'd have knocked Johnny's head off. 579 00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:44,579 The third witness was Mary Kay Morton. 580 00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:46,915 She worked as a secretary in the store. 581 00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:48,784 I guess the reason the cop hit him was 582 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:50,953 because Johnny grabbed for his badge. 583 00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:52,888 Did you see anything else, Miss Morton? 584 00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:56,424 - No, but I heard something. - What did you hear? 585 00:21:56,448 --> 00:21:58,961 The sound of fabric being ripped, you know torn? 586 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:01,229 Have you any idea where that sound came from? 587 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:04,299 - I know where it came from. - Yes, ma'am. 588 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,302 When that bonehead Johnny grabbed the policeman's badge, 589 00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:09,359 he tore his shirt. 590 00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:14,943 The fourth and final witness was Alice Jenkins, 591 00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:17,813 the girlfriend of the 502 suspect, Ted Nichols. 592 00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,716 Teddy told me he's sorry about that man's station wagon, 593 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,317 but he's going to pay for the damage. 594 00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:23,819 All right, now, have you told us everything 595 00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:25,287 you can remember about this morning? 596 00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:27,156 Yes, everything. 597 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,524 I'll tell you how this entire mess looks to me. 598 00:22:29,548 --> 00:22:30,993 All right, Miss Jenkins, go ahead. 599 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,028 No matter what anybody calls a cop, 600 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:35,252 he's no right to hit anybody. 601 00:22:39,258 --> 00:22:41,036 8:37 p.m. 602 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,338 We concluded our investigation of the incident 603 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,007 involving Officer Edward Hillier. 604 00:22:45,031 --> 00:22:47,776 Tomorrow morning, we would reduce it all down to paper 605 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,180 and submit the reports to the Captain for processing. 606 00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:52,514 How's it look, Friday? 607 00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:54,649 Well, my guess is that he'll be sat down. 608 00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,085 How hard, I don't know, Lieutenant. 609 00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:57,419 What's the bottom line? 610 00:22:57,443 --> 00:22:59,054 As far as answers go, 611 00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:00,589 the kind you're looking for, 612 00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:02,490 I'm afraid we didn't come up with many. 613 00:23:02,514 --> 00:23:03,558 I suppose not. 614 00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:04,960 You know, we had a pretty good chief 615 00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,229 that you served under and so did we. 616 00:23:07,253 --> 00:23:08,563 Bill Parker. 617 00:23:08,587 --> 00:23:10,099 Maybe he said it best. 618 00:23:10,123 --> 00:23:12,467 We'll always have incidents like this 619 00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:13,902 because we have one big problem 620 00:23:13,926 --> 00:23:15,838 in selecting police officers. 621 00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:16,972 What's that? 622 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,663 We have to recruit from the human race. 623 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:12,794 John Meadows was given a 30-day sentence 624 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:14,663 in the Los Angeles County Jail. 625 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,297 Since it was his first offense, 626 00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:18,800 the sentence was suspended. 627 00:24:18,824 --> 00:24:21,970 The accused police officer Edward Hillier 628 00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:23,605 waived his right to a hearing 629 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,807 by a board of his superior officers. 630 00:24:25,831 --> 00:24:27,876 In the judgment of the Chief of Police, 631 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,911 he was considered to have used excessive force 632 00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,681 in the apprehension of John Meadows. 633 00:24:32,705 --> 00:24:34,583 He was suspended from duty for 30 days 634 00:24:34,607 --> 00:24:37,274 with complete loss of pay and benefits. 46958

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