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This is the city.
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Los Angeles, California.
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I work here.
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I carry a badge.
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The story you're
about to see is true.
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The names have been
changed to protect the innocent.
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It was Thursday, October 10th.
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It was cool in Los Angeles.
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We were working the day watch
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out of Internal
Affairs Division.
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The boss is Captain Bradley.
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My partner is Bill Gannon.
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My name's Friday.
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When any member of the
Los Angeles Police Department
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is accused of misconduct,
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it's the job Internal
Affairs Division
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to conduct an investigation.
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We checked in with the acting
commander of Sunset Division.
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An accusation had come from
a man in custody at the division.
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His name was John Meadows.
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His charge against
the arresting officer,
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police brutality
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You're the men from IAD?
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Yes, sir.
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Bill Gannon and Joe Friday.
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The captain's off sick.
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I'm acting commander.
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How do you want to handle this?
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Some place we could
use for an interview room?
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- My office would be all right?
- Yes, sir, fine.
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Do you have the complainant's
statement, Lieutenant?
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Being typed up now.
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Have you had a chance to
check Hillier's personnel file?
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Only briefly, sir.
Brought it along with us.
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Let me save you
some reading time.
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Ed Hillier has
been assigned here
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since he graduated
from the academy.
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His personnel rating reports
put him in the top 10%.
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I just put through
a commendation
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that should earn him
the medal of valor.
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Served in Vietnam,
wounded, decorated.
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Military service
record reads as good
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as the one he's piled up here.
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College man, two
years. Happily married.
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Sounds like you've been
keeping an eye on him, Lieutenant?
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How do you mean that?
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Well, you seem to have made
a special study of this Hillier.
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No more than the other
200 men at this station.
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I make it my business
to know about them.
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And that's what's
gnawing at me inside.
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Yes, sir.
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In my book, Ed Hillier adds up
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to an intelligent,
dedicated policeman.
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Now, if the charge against
him is true, the question is this,
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Did Hillier fail us,
or did we fail him?
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Is there something I'm not
giving my people at roll call?
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Is it the training program or
did we simply misjudge this man
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when we said he was good
enough to wear a badge?
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Well, that's part of what
we're here to find out, sir.
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While you're at it, maybe
you can find this out.
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Is it possible the department
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expects too much of
these young officers?
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- How do you mean, sir?
- How long has it been
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since either one of you
have been out on the street?
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It's been a while.
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I don't get out
there much, either.
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I'm nailed to this desk.
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But I hear it and
see it every day...
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The name calling,
the verbal abuse,
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the days a policeman
has become the symbol
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of the so called establishment,
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the visual target
for practically
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every gripe society
has these days.
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I don't mean to sound
like a bleeding heart,
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but it's true isn't it?
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It seems to be. Yes, sir.
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I'm sorry.
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I'll climb out of my box now.
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I didn't mean to put
you two through all that.
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We understand sir.
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- You ought to talk to Reed and
Malloy of the backup team.
- Yes, sir we will.
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I told him to wait
before they go off watch.
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Yes, sir that will be fine.
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- I'd hate to lose Hillier. He's
a good man.
- Yes, sir.
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But if he's turned sour, he's
no good to the department.
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9:30 am.
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Bill picked up the
complainant's statement
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and the arrest report.
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I examined Officer Ed
Hillier's personnel record.
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We asked the jailer to
bring the complainant,
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John Meadows, to the office.
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- All right. You want to sit
down there?
- Okay.
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He's Sgt. Friday,
my name's Gannon.
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- We're from Internal Affairs
Division.
- What's that?
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Well among other things, Internal
Affairs investigates complaints
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against police officers
and you filed a complaint.
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It's a pretty good
deal, isn't it?
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Oh? How's that sir?
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Policemen
investigating policemen.
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Let me explain it to you.
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We're here because
the Chief of Police
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cares about your complaint,
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so does the Police Commission.
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When we've completed
our investigation here,
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the chief or a board
of accused policeman's
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superior officers will weigh the
evidence and make a decision.
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Now, Officer Hillier,
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the man you've accused
could be reprimanded,
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suspended for up to six
months without pay, or fired,
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or he could be
cleared of the charges.
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But it's still policemen passing
judgment on a policeman.
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Regardless of what decision
the department makes,
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you're still entitled to file
whatever legal action you might
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care to bring against
the arresting officer.
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- Is that clear?
- I see.
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Now as far as policemen
passing judgment on policemen,
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wouldn't it be a good idea to
wait and see the outcome before
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you make up your
mind it's one-sided?
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Maybe. We'll see.
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All right, sir, state
your true name.
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John Everett Meadows Jr.
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Your address please.
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221 Garland Street.
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Have you ever been
arrested before?
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Yeah, four times.
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You want to give us
the circumstances?
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1951, back in Omaha, Nebraska.
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I was 12 years old.
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I liked ball games.
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I had a big thing for
the left field fence.
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The management couldn't see it.
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All right Mr. Meadows,
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will you tell us what
happened at 221 Garland Street
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at approximately 1:47 am
this morning, October 10?
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I told it all once
to that Sergeant.
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- We'd like to hear it again if
you would, please.
- All right.
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But first, I want to make
one thing abundantly clear.
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Yeah, sir. Go ahead.
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I'm no cook.
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I work for a living.
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I don't burn draft cards, pick
at politicians or smoke pot.
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I pay my bills and
I pay my taxes.
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I just want to get the
record straight, understood?
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Perfectly. That
makes four of us.
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Yeah? Who's the fourth?
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Officer Hillier.
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More power to him.
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Okay. It's on the record.
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Now, you want to tell us
exactly what happened?
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There wasn't much to it really.
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Not to start with anyhow.
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We were having a few
drinks, six of us, three couples.
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We'd work late at the store,
Cliveden's over on Wilshire.
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I'm a buyer there,
men's furnishing's.
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They were the
people I work with.
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You've got their
names and addresses.
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Good people, all of them.
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You say you were drinking?
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Well, yeah. Not
heavy. Just to unwind.
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Go on Meadows.
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Well, I guess we
got a little noisy.
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The old gal next
door called the cops.
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Did she tell you she called?
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Yeah. So we broke it up.
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Started to anyway.
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Well how do you mean?
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Well, the first couple left,
Ted Nichols and his fiancé.
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Their names are on your list.
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- Nichols? Wasn't he the 502?
- 502?
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Drunk.
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Hillier said he was
drunk. That's his opinion.
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In my opinion, he
was a long way from it.
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All right, what happened then?
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Ted and his gal got in the car.
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Just then, Hillier and his
partner came around the corner.
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Ted pulled away from the curve.
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His foot slipped
on the gas pedal
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and he banged
into a station wagon.
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It was parked maybe
20 feet in front of him.
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Hillier was just
in time to see it.
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- Go on.
- We heard the noise and came
outside.
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Hillier was already
giving Ted a bad time.
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- In what way?
- What do you mean?
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Well, in what way was Officer
Hillier giving Nichols a bad time?
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Oh, you know, bugging him for
his license, shaking him down,
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accusing him of being
stoned... The whole stupid bit.
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And Teddy is not
even feeling good.
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- What happened then?
- I asked this Hillier for his
badge number.
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He told me to
read it for myself.
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Well, I reached for his
badge and he jumped back.
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And what happened next?
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Now this is when I goofed
and I'm the first guy to admit it.
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Hillier's partner had
Teddy in the police car.
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I knew they were
going to take him in
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and that really burned
me up. I started for him.
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I guess Hillier thought I was
going to try and get him loose.
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- Were you?
- Come on Sergeant, be serious.
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With two cops around
and more on the way,
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I'm going to try and spring a
guy from out of a police car?
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It's happened before.
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Well, I guess that's what
Hillier must have thought.
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But I hadn't committed
murder you know.
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So how does Hillier react?
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Like, I just machine
gunned City Hall man.
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I don't mean maybe.
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He was all over me.
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And then wham down I went.
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Well exactly what do you
mean by, "down I went"?
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Exactly what it sounds like.
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Hillier slugged me.
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Where did he strike you?
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Right here on the jaw.
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Did you request
medical attention?
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Well you bet I did.
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It felt like that cop
tore my head off.
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What did Officer
Hillier strike you with?
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- His fist.
- His fist?
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And you say you went down?
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That's right on both knees.
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Tell me, are those the same
trousers you were wearing
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when you were
arrested this morning?
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- That's right.
- No damage to the material is
there?
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It was on the
parkway. It's all grass.
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Light colored material,
no grass stains.
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You two just playing
detective with me or
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are you doing what
I strongly suspect?
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Trying to whitewash
this whole affair.
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Well you said it
yourself Mr. Meadows.
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Oh yeah? What's that?
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Just want to get
the record straight.
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10:10 am.
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I called Cliveden's
the clothing store
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where John Meadows worked.
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I spoke to the four witnesses.
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You get a hold of them?
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- Yeah, they all said they'd be
in to give us their statements.
- What about Hillier?
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On his way in. He should
be here in about an hour.
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Back up team, Reed and Malloy
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are waiting for us in
the Roll Call Room.
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- Did you talk to them?
- Only to say hello. Malloy is
the senior man.
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- Been on the job seven years,
Reed's the probationer.
- Yeah.
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I don't know you take
a look at that Reed.
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It seems to me they're
getting younger all the time Joe.
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Or we're getting older.
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Here's my partner,
Sergeant Friday.
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- Pete Malloy.
- Malloy.
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- My partner, Jim Reed.
- Reed.
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- Sit down.
- Reed, I might have to ask you
before,
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your dad in the department?
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- No sir, wrong Reed.
- Oh.
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- Sergeant?
- Yeah?
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What's going to
happen to Ed Hillier?
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Depends on whether the
complaint against him is justified.
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What happens if it is?
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He can draw a suspension of
up to 30 days without pay from
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the chief or he may
have to face a trial board.
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Now, you know what that is?
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Not too much, no sir.
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Good try to keep it that way.
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The trial board has three
other ranking officers,
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captain or above.
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The board can suspend
him for up to six months
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without pay or fire him.
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- It's kind of rough.
- So is a punch in the jaw.
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Ed Hillier is a good man,
smart, conscientious,
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works hard, and he likes people.
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All right. Let's talk
about last night.
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There's not a whole lot to tell.
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We were the backup unit.
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If Hillier punched
anybody in the jaw,
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it was before we got there.
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When you arrived,
what was going on?
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Hillier had Meadows
up against his unit.
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He was shaking him down.
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His partner Pollack had the
502 suspect in the backseat.
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That was Nichols?
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Ted Nichols, that's right.
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00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:02,411
What were the
other people doing?
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They were drunk and loud.
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Any name calling going on?
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The usual. Giving
all of us a bad time.
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00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:10,452
Hillier's partner Pollack got
out of the car and asked if we'd
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make the TA report and take
the 502 down at the station.
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Said they had to drive the
other guy to Central Receiving.
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- Did he say why?
- He said he'd been hurt
resisting arrest.
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- Who said?
- Hillier.
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00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:22,031
What did you do then?
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We cleared the area
then went back on patrol.
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This Nichols, did he
appear drunk to you?
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00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:28,037
He was definitely
under the influence.
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He registered 0.2 on in the BA.
It was a good arrest Sergeant.
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00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:32,608
All right, we'll go
over all this again
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when you make your
individual statements.
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00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:35,377
But I want you
to think carefully
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about what I'm
going to ask you now.
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Did Hillier seem upset?
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00:10:38,204 --> 00:10:41,617
Did he do anything out
of the ordinary? Reed?
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Not that I noticed.
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00:10:42,708 --> 00:10:43,685
Malloy?
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He said something.
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00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:46,989
Maybe it's important,
maybe it isn't.
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00:10:47,013 --> 00:10:48,190
Everything's important.
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00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:49,424
When I first walked up to him,
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he turned his head toward
me and kind of whispered.
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00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:52,661
What did he say?
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00:10:52,685 --> 00:10:54,696
"I'm sick," he said.
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"I'm so sick I could vomit."
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10:30 am.
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00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:16,019
We talked with Officer
Ed Hillier's partner,
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Tom Pollack in the Sunset
Division coffee room.
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00:11:19,413 --> 00:11:24,760
11 am, the 502 suspect Ted
Nichols was brought from his
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jail cell to the watch
commander's office.
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00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,399
Nichols managed the
men's sportswear department
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at the same store
where Meadows worked.
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00:11:31,658 --> 00:11:34,137
He had put up bail and
was technically free to go.
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00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:36,572
Rough night
Sergeant, really rough.
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00:11:36,596 --> 00:11:37,873
So we understand.
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00:11:37,897 --> 00:11:39,375
I don't know what
you understand,
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00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:42,311
but I'm telling you my
part of it was real rough.
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00:11:42,335 --> 00:11:45,181
I drink too much, you know that?
321
00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:46,982
Mr. Nichols, you
know why you're here?
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00:11:47,006 --> 00:11:50,253
Some kind of mix up that has
to do Johnny Meadows. Is that it?
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00:11:50,277 --> 00:11:52,188
Yes, sir, we'd like you to
tell us what happened over
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on Garland this morning.
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00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:56,426
You've got to believe I
was out of it most of the time,
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00:11:56,450 --> 00:11:57,960
at least from 9 o'clock on.
327
00:11:57,984 --> 00:11:59,762
That's when we
started hitting the juice.
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00:11:59,786 --> 00:12:01,464
Just tell us what you remember.
329
00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:02,631
Beginning when?
330
00:12:02,655 --> 00:12:04,800
At the beginning as
best you can recall.
331
00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:07,370
Well, we were in
Johnny's apartment.
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00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:10,639
The stereo was going full blast.
333
00:12:10,663 --> 00:12:12,908
Everybody was laughing at Patsy.
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00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:14,810
She's a real kick, you know.
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00:12:14,834 --> 00:12:17,513
She does a great
imitation of an opera singer.
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00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:19,815
A real talented girl Patsy is.
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00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:21,750
Yes, sir. Go on, please.
338
00:12:21,774 --> 00:12:23,519
Well there's a knock
on the apartment door,
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00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:24,853
Johnny opened it.
340
00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:27,490
I saw this heavy set lady.
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00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:29,225
She said she'd had
it with all the noise
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00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:32,128
and the cops were on the
way. That was all I had to hear.
343
00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:35,598
As soon as the woman left, I
grabbed Alice by the arm and took off.
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00:12:35,622 --> 00:12:38,367
We ran outside and
jumped in the car.
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00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:39,902
I couldn't get it
started though.
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00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:41,837
I was nervous, I guess.
347
00:12:41,861 --> 00:12:45,141
Just as it did fire up, I
looked in the rearview mirror
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00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:47,243
and a police car was
pulling in behind us.
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00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:49,212
Well, now why were
you nervous Mr. Nichols?
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00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:51,514
Simple, I'm scared
to death of cops.
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00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,682
Don't ask me why. I just am.
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00:12:53,706 --> 00:12:55,151
Ever been arrested before?
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00:12:55,175 --> 00:12:58,020
No, sir. I was raised
to believe anybody that
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00:12:58,044 --> 00:12:59,888
had ever been
arrested was a bum.
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00:12:59,912 --> 00:13:01,157
I'm no bum.
356
00:13:01,181 --> 00:13:04,727
A drunken bum maybe
but not an ordinary bum.
357
00:13:04,751 --> 00:13:07,830
What happened after you saw
the police car pulling in behind you?
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00:13:07,854 --> 00:13:09,865
I was looking in the
rearview mirror at
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00:13:09,889 --> 00:13:12,835
that black and white car
and I stepped on the gas.
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00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:14,670
There was a crash
and the next thing
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00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:16,839
I knew somebody's
helping me out of the car.
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00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:18,241
Would you go on, please?
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00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:20,843
I've gone on just about
as far as I can go on.
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00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,679
I remember looking
at a policeman.
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00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:26,682
I remember walking
in the police station.
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00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:30,286
I remember blowing
into some kind of gadget.
367
00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,922
I remember being here
right now and that's it.
368
00:13:33,946 --> 00:13:35,958
Do you recall any
kind of altercation?
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00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,427
- What do you mean?
- Anybody hit anybody.
370
00:13:38,451 --> 00:13:41,264
It sure wouldn't have been
me. I couldn't find the sidewalk.
371
00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:43,366
Somebody hit somebody? Who says?
372
00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:46,235
- One of the cops
claimed Johnny hit him?
- The other way around.
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00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:49,605
- Johnny says he got slugged
by one of the cops?
- That's what he says.
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00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:52,808
- I don't know about you,
but I believe him.
- Is that right?
375
00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,211
I've known Johnny
Meadows for over 10 years
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00:13:55,235 --> 00:13:57,935
and I've never known
him to lie about anything.
377
00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,454
11:40 a.m.
378
00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:08,524
Officer Edward W. Hillier
reported in for his interview.
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00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:11,360
He told us substantially the
same story that we had gotten
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00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,429
from his partner and
from the backup team,
381
00:14:13,453 --> 00:14:15,565
Officers Reed and Malloy.
382
00:14:15,589 --> 00:14:17,633
Hillier had been
removed from field duty
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00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:19,202
and placed on station duty
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00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:22,004
pending the outcome
of the IAD investigation.
385
00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:23,639
We asked the suspect
and his passenger
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00:14:23,663 --> 00:14:24,807
to get out of the vehicle.
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00:14:24,831 --> 00:14:26,342
They complied.
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00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,744
My partner started to
interrogate the woman passenger.
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00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:31,414
I asked the suspect
for his driver's license.
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00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:33,216
His name was Ted Nichols.
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00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,418
We didn't try to give him
the field sobriety exam.
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00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:36,819
He was so drunk, we were afraid
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00:14:36,843 --> 00:14:38,421
he might fall down
and hurt himself.
394
00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:39,888
At this point, I
heard loud voices,
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00:14:39,912 --> 00:14:42,458
and I observed four people,
two men and two women,
396
00:14:42,482 --> 00:14:45,027
approaching from the
duplex at 221 Garland.
397
00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:48,297
The person doing all the talking
was a man named John Meadows
398
00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:50,866
who we later booked for
interfering due to the fact that
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00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,236
he grabbed my partner's arm
and tried to prevent him from
400
00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,371
placing the 502
suspect in our unit.
401
00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,673
You say Meadows
was doing all the talking.
402
00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:58,974
Exactly what did he say?
403
00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:01,043
- The usual things, you know.
- Tell us.
404
00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:05,013
He called us the Gestapo,
fuzz, storm troopers,
405
00:15:05,037 --> 00:15:06,382
the usual things you hear.
406
00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:08,451
Said we had no right to
shove his friend around,
407
00:15:08,475 --> 00:15:11,520
that he... Nichols, didn't do
any damage to the Ford wagon.
408
00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,456
- Was there any damage?
- Yes, sir.
409
00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,090
The rear bumper guards
were sheared off and
410
00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:16,792
the left rear tail
light was smashed.
411
00:15:16,816 --> 00:15:18,160
All right, Hillier, go on.
412
00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:20,529
Well, this Meadows asked
me for my badge number.
413
00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:23,031
I put my thumb behind the
shield and turned my light on.
414
00:15:23,055 --> 00:15:25,033
He reached out
to grab the badge.
415
00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:28,203
I told him not to touch it but to take
down the number if that's what he wanted.
416
00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:31,507
And he made a grab for it. He got the
fingers of his right hand around the badge.
417
00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,410
I twisted away to my
left breaking his hold.
418
00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,845
I heard my shirt rip.
That's when he said it.
419
00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:39,715
- Said what?
- Called me a pig cop.
420
00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,617
He said all cops
were filthy pigs
421
00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:43,419
and their wives
were sowbelly pigs.
422
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,020
Those were his exact words?
423
00:15:45,044 --> 00:15:46,489
Yes, sir, his exact words.
424
00:15:46,513 --> 00:15:48,491
Sergeant, before I
put that uniform on,
425
00:15:48,515 --> 00:15:50,793
nobody ever called
me a pig before...
426
00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:53,296
Nobody... my wife, either.
427
00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,464
And I'm tired of hearing it.
428
00:15:55,488 --> 00:15:56,899
What happened then?
429
00:15:56,923 --> 00:15:58,567
I told him I was taking him in
430
00:15:58,591 --> 00:15:59,769
for interfering with an arrest.
431
00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:01,404
He said, "Try it, pig."
432
00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:02,738
And that's when it happened.
433
00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:03,806
When what happened?
434
00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:05,841
- I backhanded him.
- Show us how.
435
00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:08,143
I'm like this with the
back of my right hand.
436
00:16:08,167 --> 00:16:11,714
- Where did you hit him?
- Across the right cheek, lower
portion of his right jaw.
437
00:16:11,738 --> 00:16:14,016
- Did you cut him?
- No, sir, I didn't.
438
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,519
He said he was hurt so we drove
him over to Central Receiving.
439
00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:17,886
You can check his MT slip.
440
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:19,221
No visible injury.
441
00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:21,290
All right, Hillier, anything
else you want to add?
442
00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:22,825
What else is there to say?
443
00:16:22,849 --> 00:16:26,028
I'm cooked, and I know it.
444
00:16:26,052 --> 00:16:28,331
- Let me ask you something,
Hillier.
- Yes, sir.
445
00:16:28,355 --> 00:16:30,666
Why do you think
you struck that man?
446
00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,536
You're a good policeman,
outstanding record on the job,
447
00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,770
and you know better, don't you?
448
00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,605
- I guess.
- You guess or you know?
449
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:38,574
I'll tell you what I
know, Sergeant.
450
00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:41,910
Lately I've taken everything
from verbal abuse and threats
451
00:16:41,934 --> 00:16:44,847
to being hospitalized
by a guy with the DTs.
452
00:16:44,871 --> 00:16:46,849
In the last eight months
I've had two windshields
453
00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:47,950
busted out of my unit.
454
00:16:47,974 --> 00:16:49,918
First time, it was
a 30-aught-6 slug.
455
00:16:49,942 --> 00:16:52,187
The guy who fired it
just didn't like cops.
456
00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:53,989
Second time, it was a brick.
457
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,792
Kid who threw it had to take
time out from what he was doing
458
00:16:56,816 --> 00:16:58,093
burning the American flag.
459
00:16:58,117 --> 00:16:59,362
I've lost count how
many dents we've had
460
00:16:59,386 --> 00:17:00,796
to roll out of the unit.
461
00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,631
Rocks, bottles,
chunks of lumber.
462
00:17:02,655 --> 00:17:03,966
You name it, they throw it,
463
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:07,670
the people who we're
hired to protect and serve.
464
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,137
You guys tell me.
465
00:17:09,161 --> 00:17:10,406
I can't pull up an answer.
466
00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:12,140
Would you say that this
Meadows could have been
467
00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:13,876
the last straw,
maybe, is that it?
468
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,210
Maybe.
469
00:17:15,234 --> 00:17:16,979
When that guy was
clawing at my badge
470
00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:18,280
and screeching at me,
471
00:17:18,304 --> 00:17:20,215
all I could seem to
see were the faces.
472
00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:21,684
The angry mouths of everybody
473
00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,652
I've come in contact
with the last few months.
474
00:17:23,676 --> 00:17:25,388
I guess that's who I
was backhanding...
475
00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:27,556
Every one of them,
not just Meadows.
476
00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,492
Hillier, your
personal history card
477
00:17:29,516 --> 00:17:31,293
lists a whole string
of commendations
478
00:17:31,317 --> 00:17:33,629
from those angry
citizens you have to serve.
479
00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:35,631
But if it didn't
list one, so what?
480
00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:37,099
You pick up your
check, don't you?
481
00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:39,468
You get paid to be a
policeman, not to be loved.
482
00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:41,771
Well, you don't buy that
100%, do you, Sergeant?
483
00:17:41,795 --> 00:17:45,441
No. I'd like a kind
word now and again.
484
00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:48,878
When they don't come, I
write it off as part of the job.
485
00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:52,047
When you first put that uniform
on nobody every told you you'd
486
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,916
be running in a popularity
contest, now did they?
487
00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:55,217
No, sir, they didn't.
488
00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:58,454
Your PRR puts you in the
top 10% of the department.
489
00:17:58,478 --> 00:18:00,122
Now to me, that indicates
a trained, capable,
490
00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:04,460
disciplined police officer
not a back alley brawler.
491
00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:06,629
You were riding
with a young partner.
492
00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:09,064
What kind of example do
you think you set for him?
493
00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,933
And worse, you committed
494
00:18:10,957 --> 00:18:12,902
one of the cardinal
sins in our business.
495
00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,437
You struck a man.
496
00:18:14,461 --> 00:18:15,871
And I'll use your words,
497
00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:18,541
a man you're hired
to protect and to serve.
498
00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:21,143
Now one last thing,
Hillier, and maybe
499
00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:23,111
this is the most
pregnant issue of all.
500
00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:25,380
These are tenuous
times we live in.
501
00:18:25,404 --> 00:18:27,783
The young people in this
country are groping, searching for a
502
00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:29,585
direction and they're
having trouble finding it.
503
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,855
The older people in our
society are not much better off.
504
00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:35,424
They seem to have lost or
misplaced one of our great
505
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:38,794
American commodities, a
true sense of the real values.
506
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:41,029
The values that
built this country
507
00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:42,998
into the great one that it is.
508
00:18:43,022 --> 00:18:44,867
I'll tell you I never thought
I'd live to see the day that it
509
00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:48,471
had become stylish to shout
down constituted law injustice, to
510
00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:51,874
scream police brutality at
almost every opportunity.
511
00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:54,242
There's the key
to this, Hillier.
512
00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,311
When you lost control
this morning at 2 a.m.
513
00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:59,147
out there on Garland
Street, you laid another bruise
514
00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:01,617
on every man who wears
a uniform and a badge.
515
00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:04,753
Your newspaper story will give
credence to those whose sole aim
516
00:19:04,777 --> 00:19:06,889
is to kick authority
right in the groin.
517
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,491
And you've shaken the
confidence of those who
518
00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:10,459
believe in order with justice.
519
00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:14,162
A lot more went down
out there on Garland Street
520
00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:19,735
this morning besides a man
being struck by a policeman.
521
00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,637
But is it asking too
much Sergeant?
522
00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,672
- What's that?
- The people.
523
00:19:23,696 --> 00:19:24,874
What about them?
524
00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:28,900
Can't they see there
are two sides to it?
525
00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:37,586
12 noon, Officer Ed
Hillier's wife asked
526
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:38,954
if she could talk to us.
527
00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:40,689
Can I get you a cup
of coffee, Mrs. Hillier?
528
00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:42,357
No thank you.
529
00:19:42,381 --> 00:19:44,326
I'll make this as
brief as possible.
530
00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:45,794
I know you men are busy.
531
00:19:45,818 --> 00:19:47,630
Take your time.
We're not that busy.
532
00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:48,931
Thank you.
533
00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,700
I'm scared to
death, I really am.
534
00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:53,536
There's no need
to be, Mrs. Hillier.
535
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,605
I feel that Ed's whole
future is at stake.
536
00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:59,441
Please don't let
him be fired. Please.
537
00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:02,044
Well it isn't up to us, but
he'll be given a fair hearing.
538
00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:03,278
I brought this.
539
00:20:03,302 --> 00:20:06,749
I thought it might
help prove Ed's story.
540
00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:10,085
He thinks it's a blouse
I'm taking back to the store.
541
00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:11,820
Open it, please.
542
00:20:11,844 --> 00:20:13,989
That's why I
wanted to talk to you.
543
00:20:14,013 --> 00:20:15,891
Ed said he didn't think it
would make much difference
544
00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,660
but I hope it will.
545
00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:18,694
Ed's shirt?
546
00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:21,129
Yes, the one he wore last night.
547
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:24,700
- You can see it's torn there
where he wears his badge.
- Yes, ma'am.
548
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,235
Well, that proves he's
telling the truth, doesn't it?
549
00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,638
We're not questioning
his truthfulness Mrs. Hillier.
550
00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:32,307
- Ed's a good policeman
Sergeant.
- Yes, ma'am.
551
00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:34,176
He's never made
a mistake before.
552
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,678
This was a big one.
553
00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:37,145
He mustn't lose his job.
554
00:20:37,169 --> 00:20:40,749
It's his life, his whole life.
555
00:20:40,773 --> 00:20:43,608
That's all there is to it.
556
00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:49,892
6:30 p.m.
557
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,595
We interviewed the first of
the four witnesses who were in
558
00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:54,362
Meadow's apartment
the night of the incident.
559
00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:56,932
Look, there's no question
about it, that cop cuffed Johnny.
560
00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:58,200
What do you mean cuffed him?
561
00:20:58,224 --> 00:20:59,735
Like this it was with
the back of his hand
562
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,004
right across the face. He
gave him a good whack.
563
00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:05,273
Was there any provocation for
Officer Hillier striking Meadows?
564
00:21:05,297 --> 00:21:07,442
- How do you mean?
- Was there any name calling?
565
00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:10,668
Not a word. That cop
just hit him for no reason.
566
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,018
The next witness was
a clerk at the store.
567
00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:18,153
Her name was Patsy Cronin.
568
00:21:18,177 --> 00:21:19,354
Well, I should say so.
569
00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:20,589
They always seem
to get a kick out of
570
00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,858
my opera star impersonations.
571
00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:25,628
- Yes, ma'am.
- You say you heard some name
calling?
572
00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:26,862
I sure did.
573
00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:29,098
Johnny Meadows is a
pain when he gets tanked.
574
00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:32,267
Called that policeman
a pig... His wife, too.
575
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,636
Want to know what I think?
576
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,937
Yes, ma'am, what do you think?
577
00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,772
I don't blame that officer.
578
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,763
I'd have knocked
Johnny's head off.
579
00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:44,579
The third witness
was Mary Kay Morton.
580
00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:46,915
She worked as a
secretary in the store.
581
00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:48,784
I guess the reason
the cop hit him was
582
00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:50,953
because Johnny
grabbed for his badge.
583
00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:52,888
Did you see anything
else, Miss Morton?
584
00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:56,424
- No, but I heard something.
- What did you hear?
585
00:21:56,448 --> 00:21:58,961
The sound of fabric being
ripped, you know torn?
586
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:01,229
Have you any idea where
that sound came from?
587
00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:04,299
- I know where it came from.
- Yes, ma'am.
588
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,302
When that bonehead Johnny
grabbed the policeman's badge,
589
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:09,359
he tore his shirt.
590
00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:14,943
The fourth and final
witness was Alice Jenkins,
591
00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:17,813
the girlfriend of the 502
suspect, Ted Nichols.
592
00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,716
Teddy told me he's sorry
about that man's station wagon,
593
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,317
but he's going to
pay for the damage.
594
00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:23,819
All right, now, have
you told us everything
595
00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:25,287
you can remember
about this morning?
596
00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:27,156
Yes, everything.
597
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,524
I'll tell you how this
entire mess looks to me.
598
00:22:29,548 --> 00:22:30,993
All right, Miss
Jenkins, go ahead.
599
00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,028
No matter what
anybody calls a cop,
600
00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:35,252
he's no right to hit anybody.
601
00:22:39,258 --> 00:22:41,036
8:37 p.m.
602
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,338
We concluded our
investigation of the incident
603
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,007
involving Officer
Edward Hillier.
604
00:22:45,031 --> 00:22:47,776
Tomorrow morning, we would
reduce it all down to paper
605
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,180
and submit the reports to
the Captain for processing.
606
00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:52,514
How's it look, Friday?
607
00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:54,649
Well, my guess is
that he'll be sat down.
608
00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,085
How hard, I don't
know, Lieutenant.
609
00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:57,419
What's the bottom line?
610
00:22:57,443 --> 00:22:59,054
As far as answers go,
611
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:00,589
the kind you're looking for,
612
00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:02,490
I'm afraid we didn't
come up with many.
613
00:23:02,514 --> 00:23:03,558
I suppose not.
614
00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:04,960
You know, we had
a pretty good chief
615
00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,229
that you served
under and so did we.
616
00:23:07,253 --> 00:23:08,563
Bill Parker.
617
00:23:08,587 --> 00:23:10,099
Maybe he said it best.
618
00:23:10,123 --> 00:23:12,467
We'll always have
incidents like this
619
00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:13,902
because we have one big problem
620
00:23:13,926 --> 00:23:15,838
in selecting police officers.
621
00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:16,972
What's that?
622
00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,663
We have to recruit
from the human race.
623
00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:12,794
John Meadows was
given a 30-day sentence
624
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:14,663
in the Los Angeles County Jail.
625
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,297
Since it was his first offense,
626
00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:18,800
the sentence was suspended.
627
00:24:18,824 --> 00:24:21,970
The accused police
officer Edward Hillier
628
00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:23,605
waived his right to a hearing
629
00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,807
by a board of his
superior officers.
630
00:24:25,831 --> 00:24:27,876
In the judgment of
the Chief of Police,
631
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,911
he was considered to
have used excessive force
632
00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,681
in the apprehension
of John Meadows.
633
00:24:32,705 --> 00:24:34,583
He was suspended
from duty for 30 days
634
00:24:34,607 --> 00:24:37,274
with complete loss
of pay and benefits.
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