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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,837 --> 00:00:07,239 This is the city, Los Angeles California. 2 00:00:10,044 --> 00:00:12,478 I work here. I carry a badge. 3 00:00:18,552 --> 00:00:21,198 The story you're about to see is true. 4 00:00:21,222 --> 00:00:24,356 The names have been changed to protect the innocent. 5 00:00:55,856 --> 00:00:58,022 It was Wednesday, September 4th. 6 00:00:58,091 --> 00:00:59,273 We were working the day watch out of 7 00:00:59,297 --> 00:01:00,770 Robbery Division. The boss is Captain Perry. 8 00:01:00,794 --> 00:01:02,961 My partner's Bill Gannon. 9 00:01:03,029 --> 00:01:05,196 My name's Friday. 10 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:07,432 I was just returning from lunch. 11 00:01:07,501 --> 00:01:10,535 It was 1:05 p.m. 12 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:19,055 I signed you back in. Let's go upstairs. 13 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,246 Upstairs? 14 00:01:21,314 --> 00:01:22,759 - Public Affairs wants to see us. - What about? 15 00:01:22,783 --> 00:01:24,761 Joe, you're the sergeant. You got the rank. 16 00:01:24,785 --> 00:01:26,495 What that's supposed to mean? 17 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:28,553 Nobody confides in me. 18 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:36,694 We went upstairs to the 7th floor, Public Information Division. 19 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:39,464 Sergeant Dan Cooke is the man who wanted to see us. 20 00:01:39,532 --> 00:01:41,767 - Afternoon, gentlemen. - Hi, Dan. 21 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:43,913 - Cooke, how is it going? - I suppose you're wondering why we asked you here. 22 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:45,270 That'll do for openers. 23 00:01:45,338 --> 00:01:47,316 Ever hear of this fellow named Chuck Bligh? 24 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:48,874 No. Not me. 25 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:50,976 - The guy on TV? - The same. 26 00:01:51,044 --> 00:01:52,443 I have. 27 00:01:52,512 --> 00:01:54,758 We're not asking you to be a television critic, Gannon. 28 00:01:54,782 --> 00:01:56,559 And by his gaze, it would be easy. 29 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:58,795 True. He's not exactly sympathetic towards the department. 30 00:01:58,819 --> 00:02:02,254 Not sympathetic? He'd sell the whole force for a dime. 31 00:02:02,322 --> 00:02:04,367 His producer called us and wanted to know if we could send over 32 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:06,669 a couple of working detectives to sit in on his program tonight. 33 00:02:06,693 --> 00:02:08,593 You mean be on it? 34 00:02:08,662 --> 00:02:10,662 That's what they have in mind. 35 00:02:10,730 --> 00:02:13,743 I'm not much good at that kind of thing, Why not send somebody from Command? 36 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:15,967 Because the captain thinks, and I agree with him, 37 00:02:16,036 --> 00:02:18,882 that it would be better to let him interview two guys in the field level. 38 00:02:18,906 --> 00:02:20,850 Two average policemen. No harm intended. 39 00:02:20,874 --> 00:02:23,352 Now, we're both talking about the same program, "Speak Your Mind"? 40 00:02:23,376 --> 00:02:24,742 That's the name of it. 41 00:02:24,812 --> 00:02:27,612 - You've never seen the show? - No, I haven't. 42 00:02:27,681 --> 00:02:29,659 Well, he's not exactly what we'd call a friend. 43 00:02:29,683 --> 00:02:31,683 Maybe you can change his mind a little. 44 00:02:31,751 --> 00:02:34,297 They expect you at 7:30, Studio B. Here's the address. 45 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:36,354 - No advice? - Keep your left up. 46 00:02:43,897 --> 00:02:45,675 You've seen this Chuck Bligh, huh? 47 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:48,477 Yeah, wife watches the show all the time. He's a snag one. 48 00:02:48,501 --> 00:02:50,880 You sit at home and really feel sorry for the people on the panel. 49 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:52,248 What's Aileen think of the program? 50 00:02:52,272 --> 00:02:54,272 She says it's interesting. 51 00:02:58,578 --> 00:03:00,345 Can I help you, gentlemen? 52 00:03:00,413 --> 00:03:02,025 We're from the Los Angeles Police Department. This is Bill Gannon. 53 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:03,915 - My name's Friday. - Right. 54 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:06,262 You're on the panel with Profession Tom Higgins and Jesse Chaplin. 55 00:03:06,286 --> 00:03:08,920 Plenty of time. I'll get you into makeup. Tony! 56 00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:11,100 Makeup? I didn't know we had to wear makeup. 57 00:03:11,124 --> 00:03:12,768 Take care of these gentlemen, will you? 58 00:03:12,792 --> 00:03:14,204 We'll begin taping in about 20 minutes. 59 00:03:14,228 --> 00:03:15,738 Just a little powder and some eyebrow pencil. 60 00:03:15,762 --> 00:03:17,707 Eyebrows? What do you think these are? 61 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:19,809 They're too light. The cameras won't pick them up. You look okay. 62 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:22,667 For 45 years, they haven't been too light. 63 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:35,247 You look great. 64 00:03:35,315 --> 00:03:37,849 - That wasn't so bad, was it? - Not so bad. 65 00:03:37,918 --> 00:03:39,929 He gave me the works, everything but lipstick in a beauty market. 66 00:03:39,953 --> 00:03:41,452 Wait a minute. 67 00:03:41,521 --> 00:03:42,720 There, I feel better. 68 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:44,667 - Tony, Chuck's cowlick. - I'm on my way. 69 00:03:44,691 --> 00:03:46,202 He didn't hear me, didn't he? 70 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:48,927 Rarin' to go? Good. Now, we start with our theme 71 00:03:48,996 --> 00:03:51,241 then we go to Chuck's intro then he'll introduce you. 72 00:03:51,265 --> 00:03:53,476 You walk on and take a seat when you hear your name. Got it? 73 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:55,500 - I think so. - Now, you men understand 74 00:03:55,535 --> 00:03:57,855 we employ a rather loose debate style of presentation. 75 00:03:57,905 --> 00:03:59,548 You men are on the side with the police department. 76 00:03:59,572 --> 00:04:01,039 That's good. 77 00:04:01,108 --> 00:04:03,386 Now, Higgins and Chaplin are on the other side, okay? 78 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:07,857 There we go. Now, enjoy yourselves. Now, one more thing. 79 00:04:07,881 --> 00:04:11,149 - What's that? - Don't be afraid. Speak your mind. 80 00:04:16,356 --> 00:04:17,867 - Take a look, Joe. - At what? 81 00:04:17,891 --> 00:04:21,526 - My tie, is it straight? - Well, it was. 82 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,761 - You got butterflies? - Have I got what? 83 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:25,990 - Butterflies in your stomach? - No, I don't. 84 00:04:26,033 --> 00:04:29,500 Helen Hayes still gets 'em. Butterflies. 85 00:04:29,569 --> 00:04:32,270 Fellas, could you hold it down a minute, please? 86 00:04:32,339 --> 00:04:34,105 "Speak Your Mind," 87 00:04:34,174 --> 00:04:37,475 the show that every week dares to be different, dramatic and daring. 88 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:42,147 This week's guests will discuss the topic "The Police, Who Needs Them?" 89 00:04:42,215 --> 00:04:45,750 Anything can happen and usually does when Chuck Bligh is around. 90 00:04:45,819 --> 00:04:49,554 And now, here's that number one judge, Chuck Bligh. 91 00:04:57,630 --> 00:05:01,199 Thank you. 92 00:05:01,268 --> 00:05:03,034 Good evening, everybody. 93 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:04,914 I'm glad to see so many of you here in the studio tonight. 94 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:07,572 It isn't raining outside, is it? 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,142 Well, sir, tonight we're going to get to the nitty-gritty 96 00:05:11,211 --> 00:05:13,945 about your friendly fuzz, your local police officers. 97 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:16,348 Okay, our first guest needs no introduction. 98 00:05:16,416 --> 00:05:20,385 Professor Tom Higgins, historian, social critic, and political activist, 99 00:05:20,454 --> 00:05:22,653 is one of LA's makers and shakers. 100 00:05:22,722 --> 00:05:24,622 No ivory tower for this egghead. 101 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,475 Our next guest is Jesse Chaplin, 102 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:36,968 editor-publisher of LA's favorite underground newspaper. 103 00:05:37,037 --> 00:05:38,781 He is the man responsible for "The Free Forum," the thinking man's newspaper. 104 00:05:38,805 --> 00:05:41,739 Jesse! 105 00:05:46,546 --> 00:05:50,482 Now, on the other side, we have invited two of the local fuzz to join us tonight. 106 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,195 Hey, Tom, you're a professor. 107 00:05:52,219 --> 00:05:54,297 Maybe you can tell me, how do you make fuzz plural? 108 00:05:54,321 --> 00:05:56,154 Is it fuzzes or fuzzi? 109 00:05:56,223 --> 00:05:59,590 - Fuzz is plural. - One fuzz is a fizz. 110 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:04,795 Well, we have two of them with us tonight, 111 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:08,199 Officer Bill Gannon and Sergeant Joe Friday, 112 00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:10,402 Los Angeles Police Department. Gentlemen. 113 00:06:19,513 --> 00:06:22,047 Jesse, why don't we start with you? 114 00:06:22,115 --> 00:06:25,050 Well, as the topic tonight is "The Fuzz, Who Needs Them?" 115 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:28,920 Let me begin by saying not me... or is not I? 116 00:06:28,988 --> 00:06:31,156 - It's neither of us. - Right. 117 00:06:34,428 --> 00:06:35,693 As far as I'm concerned, 118 00:06:35,762 --> 00:06:38,396 you might as well ask, who needed the Gestapo? 119 00:06:38,465 --> 00:06:40,831 And my answer to that would be the establishment. 120 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:44,936 See, it's the establishment in every fascist state that needs the police. 121 00:06:45,004 --> 00:06:46,871 It's not the people. 122 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:49,707 The establishment needs the goon squads with the mace 123 00:06:49,776 --> 00:06:52,277 and the clubs and the guns and the teargas 124 00:06:52,345 --> 00:06:55,046 to preserve the evils of the status quo. 125 00:06:55,115 --> 00:06:58,349 You ask me who needs them and I say it's not the black people, 126 00:06:58,418 --> 00:07:01,852 it's not the Mexican Americans, and it's not the students. 127 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:04,689 They're just trying to make a new and better world. 128 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:09,660 Who needs them are the fascists, 129 00:07:09,729 --> 00:07:12,863 the establishment fat cats who have been rapping on us 130 00:07:12,932 --> 00:07:15,166 and sucking our blood for thousands of years 131 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:18,002 and are now getting a little uptight because we, the people, 132 00:07:18,071 --> 00:07:20,004 are getting sick and tired of it. 133 00:07:31,151 --> 00:07:33,432 A tough act to follow. Care to try, Sergeant Friday? 134 00:07:33,487 --> 00:07:37,355 Mr. Chaplin, I'm not certain who or what this establishment is 135 00:07:37,424 --> 00:07:39,056 that you keep talking about. 136 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:42,305 If you're talking about the people who hire us and pay our salaries 137 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:44,207 or you're talking about yourself 138 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:46,897 and Professor Higgins there and Mr. Bligh, 139 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:49,601 you're talking about the taxpayers of Los Angeles. 140 00:07:49,669 --> 00:07:52,248 You really think that when we get a call about a robbery 141 00:07:52,272 --> 00:07:55,651 or a killing, the first thing we do is to check out the victim's bank balance? 142 00:07:55,675 --> 00:07:57,308 Something like that. 143 00:07:57,377 --> 00:07:59,877 And we have a great many wealthy people in LA. 144 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:02,380 Last year, the department worked on 10,000 robberies, 145 00:08:02,449 --> 00:08:04,149 60,000 burglaries, 146 00:08:04,217 --> 00:08:07,185 1,400 rapes, 281 murders, 147 00:08:07,254 --> 00:08:09,120 26,000 car thefts. 148 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:12,157 I don't happen to agree entirely with the remarks 149 00:08:12,225 --> 00:08:14,259 of my good friend on my right. 150 00:08:14,327 --> 00:08:16,461 Geographically speaking. 151 00:08:19,132 --> 00:08:22,311 I'm less concerned with the police as a so-called law enforcement agency 152 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:24,068 than as a social arbiter. 153 00:08:24,137 --> 00:08:27,283 I think if they stick to playing cops and robbers, it would be okay. 154 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:30,441 Now, if someone swipes my car, sure, I want it back, 155 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,744 and it's your job to find it for me. 156 00:08:33,813 --> 00:08:36,792 But if I'm demonstrating against the president or against some company 157 00:08:36,816 --> 00:08:39,896 that's making blood money from the production of war material, 158 00:08:39,952 --> 00:08:43,054 I don't want some goon whom I as a taxpayer 159 00:08:43,122 --> 00:08:46,857 am supporting to break my head or shoot me. 160 00:08:51,598 --> 00:08:55,366 I've yet to meet a cop who wasn't a reactionary. Whose attitude wasn't, 161 00:08:55,435 --> 00:08:58,555 "I've got mine, buster, and I couldn't care less if you starve." 162 00:08:58,605 --> 00:09:00,738 They like their guns and badges. 163 00:09:00,807 --> 00:09:02,451 They like the power it gives them. 164 00:09:02,475 --> 00:09:04,975 It's people they don't like. 165 00:09:05,044 --> 00:09:07,845 Their idea of social progress is a bigger pension plan 166 00:09:07,914 --> 00:09:10,147 for themselves. 167 00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:11,449 Gentlemen... 168 00:09:11,518 --> 00:09:13,851 Frankly, I wish we could stick to cops and robbers. 169 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,965 It's hard work, but at least the only enemies you make are the criminals, 170 00:09:16,989 --> 00:09:19,457 not the very people you're paid to protect. 171 00:09:19,526 --> 00:09:21,626 We're not supposed to be social arbiters. 172 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:23,595 We're policemen. 173 00:09:23,663 --> 00:09:26,197 If the president of the United States visits Los Angeles, 174 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:29,500 it's our job to protect him because he is the president. 175 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:33,538 Now, if you want a parade, all you need is a permit from the Police Commission. 176 00:09:33,607 --> 00:09:36,207 We'll be there not only to protect his life 177 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:39,544 but to protect you against people who might violently disagree 178 00:09:39,613 --> 00:09:41,412 with your point of view. 179 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:44,682 Now as a citizen, you have the right to demonstrate, 180 00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:46,962 but you have no right to break the law and interfere 181 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:50,788 with the rights of others in so doing, and that includes the president. 182 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:52,724 Break whose law? 183 00:09:52,792 --> 00:09:54,191 The establishment's. 184 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:56,628 Property rights are all they're concerned about, 185 00:09:56,696 --> 00:09:59,230 not human rights, and the president now, 186 00:09:59,299 --> 00:10:02,300 if we don't demonstrate, how do you suggest we reach him? 187 00:10:02,369 --> 00:10:05,002 Like most of us, you might try the ballot box. 188 00:10:05,071 --> 00:10:07,116 You can't pick and choose the laws you'll obey 189 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,307 and say this one I will and this one I won't. 190 00:10:09,376 --> 00:10:12,877 A democracy can't exist under those terms and conditions, can it? 191 00:10:12,945 --> 00:10:15,413 The same book of laws that gives you the right to assemble 192 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:17,915 and demonstrate also gives others protection of life 193 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:20,485 and property if your demonstrations get out of hand. 194 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:23,788 It's always in the vested interests of the rich. 195 00:10:23,856 --> 00:10:26,028 Well, then how would you take it if somebody who 196 00:10:26,052 --> 00:10:28,293 didn't like your newspaper started picketing you? 197 00:10:28,361 --> 00:10:30,295 That's their right, my friend. 198 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:32,742 How would you like it if they started marching through your offices 199 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:34,999 and laid down in the doorway of your bathroom? 200 00:10:35,067 --> 00:10:37,134 Would you still think that's their right? 201 00:10:37,203 --> 00:10:39,604 I think we'd all agree that you're both exceptions 202 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,950 to the general run of policemen, but then you're detectives. 203 00:10:41,974 --> 00:10:44,119 What about the boys in the black and white patrol cars? 204 00:10:44,143 --> 00:10:46,155 Are they concerned with anything but busting heads? 205 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:47,757 Aren't they the boys with the nightsticks? 206 00:10:47,781 --> 00:10:51,115 You men are on an entirely different level, a much higher one. 207 00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:52,883 That's not quite true. 208 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:54,652 Hold that thought, Sergeant. 209 00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:58,723 We'll be right back after this brief word from our benevolent sponsor. 210 00:11:00,059 --> 00:11:02,560 Clear. 211 00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:04,161 You're doing fine, boys. 212 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:06,163 I'd like to answer that question. 213 00:11:06,232 --> 00:11:08,076 All those boys in the black and whites are hardly made 214 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:09,912 of the stuff as you and Officer Gannon, right? 215 00:11:09,936 --> 00:11:12,837 Wrong. They're made of exactly the same stuff. 216 00:11:12,905 --> 00:11:15,851 Everybody on the job from the chief on down starts the same way 217 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:19,444 on those black and whites, and everybody takes civil service exams for promotion. 218 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:21,056 - I didn't know that. - Here you go, Chuck. 219 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,425 Thank you, Monty. How is it going? 220 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:25,516 Good, fine. Good show. Stand by. 221 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,665 The good sergeant was just making a point, 222 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:32,223 but unfortunately, we don't have time to go into it because now, 223 00:11:32,291 --> 00:11:35,304 we come to this section of our program where you the people, the jury 224 00:11:35,328 --> 00:11:37,695 get a chance to speak your mind. 225 00:11:37,764 --> 00:11:40,576 Okay, who wants the first crack at cross-examining our witnesses? 226 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,901 My name' s Harry Wilson and I'd like to direct my question 227 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:46,437 to one or both of the police officers. 228 00:11:46,506 --> 00:11:48,840 I want to know why we need gun laws. 229 00:11:48,908 --> 00:11:53,344 It's my constitutional right as an American citizen to own a pistol, 230 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:57,648 and if I got the cash to pay for it, it's nobody's business but mine if I buy one. 231 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:05,823 Tell me, sir, why do you want to own a gun? 232 00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:07,670 To protect my home and family. 233 00:12:07,694 --> 00:12:11,863 I don't see why I, an American taxpayer and a veteran, 234 00:12:11,931 --> 00:12:15,867 should have to run around registering a gun. Crooks don't. 235 00:12:15,935 --> 00:12:18,313 Well frankly, sir, I wish I didn't have to carry one, but I do. 236 00:12:18,337 --> 00:12:19,604 It's part of my job. 237 00:12:19,672 --> 00:12:21,706 Protecting my home is my job. 238 00:12:25,512 --> 00:12:26,844 Do you have any children? 239 00:12:26,913 --> 00:12:31,015 You bet I do... Three boys... 5, 7, and 10. 240 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:34,263 Well, where are you gonna hide a gun and be certain that your boys won't find it? 241 00:12:34,287 --> 00:12:36,131 If you have the time to get to your gun, you 242 00:12:36,155 --> 00:12:38,022 have the time to get to a phone and call us. 243 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:40,124 All right, look at it this way. 244 00:12:40,192 --> 00:12:42,393 We register all our guns. 245 00:12:42,462 --> 00:12:44,462 A foreign country invades us. 246 00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:47,832 Same thing will happen here as it has in country after country. 247 00:12:47,901 --> 00:12:50,435 The invading army just goes to the files 248 00:12:50,503 --> 00:12:52,804 and then goes around confiscating all the weapons. 249 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,906 We'll be left defenseless. 250 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:57,475 I want to protect my country. 251 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:01,557 You really believe that might happen? 252 00:13:01,581 --> 00:13:04,949 You bet I do. Like I said, it's happened before in other parts of the world. 253 00:13:05,017 --> 00:13:07,852 If that ever comes to pass here and there's nuclear age, 254 00:13:07,921 --> 00:13:11,241 I doubt if many of us would be around for any weapon collecting, will we? 255 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:14,024 In other words, you men are in favor of gun registration? 256 00:13:14,093 --> 00:13:15,827 No, sir, we didn't say that. 257 00:13:15,895 --> 00:13:19,330 It's not our position as civil servants to state any preference. 258 00:13:19,398 --> 00:13:22,800 Gun registration and control, like all other laws and regulations, 259 00:13:22,869 --> 00:13:24,936 is a matter for the people to decide. 260 00:13:25,004 --> 00:13:28,473 And we work for the people. Whatever they decide we'll enforce. 261 00:13:28,541 --> 00:13:30,407 And what's your name? 262 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:34,545 My name's John Dietz and what I want to know is why smoking pot is illegal 263 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:36,681 but drinking booze ain't? 264 00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:38,983 And to whom do you address that question, John? 265 00:13:39,051 --> 00:13:42,453 To Jesse Chaplin. 266 00:13:42,522 --> 00:13:45,490 It's because society is corrupt 267 00:13:45,558 --> 00:13:47,959 and because things are run strictly 268 00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:49,939 for the profit of the establishment 269 00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:53,197 and enforced by the hypocrites in uniform. That's why. 270 00:13:53,265 --> 00:13:54,899 Sergeant. 271 00:13:54,968 --> 00:13:57,101 Society puts restrictions on drinking. 272 00:13:57,169 --> 00:13:58,747 Get drunk and you get arrested. 273 00:13:58,771 --> 00:14:01,205 Even bartenders don't want you to go away drunk. 274 00:14:01,273 --> 00:14:03,151 There's too much chance you won't live to come back. 275 00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:07,111 Besides, nobody likes to be around a drunk, not even another drunk. 276 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:09,338 But with marijuana, the whole purpose is to 277 00:14:09,362 --> 00:14:11,749 get so high you don't know who or what you are. 278 00:14:11,818 --> 00:14:14,351 There's no such thing as a quickie or one to be sociable, 279 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:18,088 and in pot smoking circles, if you're not flying you're a square, 280 00:14:18,157 --> 00:14:21,136 and flying means you don't know where you are or what you're doing. 281 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,328 Son, no matter how you slice that, that's dangerous. 282 00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:26,764 What about LSD? You police are against that too. 283 00:14:26,833 --> 00:14:28,966 Even Aldous Huxley dug acid. 284 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:30,871 Aldous Huxley was a great writer who took 285 00:14:30,895 --> 00:14:32,937 LSD and wrote of his psychedelic experiences. 286 00:14:33,006 --> 00:14:34,872 I've read Huxley. 287 00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:36,541 A cop who reads. 288 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:38,976 That's good, sergeant. Good for you. 289 00:14:43,149 --> 00:14:46,684 Aldous Huxley experimented with LSD under a doctor's supervision 290 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:49,854 and the total amount of LSD he took in all of his experiments 291 00:14:49,923 --> 00:14:52,389 amounted to less than most kids take for a single trip. 292 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:55,971 And I've heard an awful lot of propaganda about the way the right kind of sugar cube 293 00:14:55,995 --> 00:14:57,795 can expand your mind. 294 00:14:57,864 --> 00:14:59,664 Propaganda? 295 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:03,868 Son, if you want to expand your mind, pay a visit to your public library. 296 00:15:03,937 --> 00:15:07,371 If there's a full moon, you might even find a cop there. 297 00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:11,408 You try the library, boy. 298 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:13,744 You'll discover the place is full of magical cubes. 299 00:15:13,813 --> 00:15:15,512 They call them books. 300 00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:21,577 On that literary note, we'll take time out to pay the light bill. 301 00:15:29,128 --> 00:15:31,228 My name is Charlie Varco. 302 00:15:31,297 --> 00:15:34,165 Before, you were talking about respecting all the laws. 303 00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:36,033 What about the bad laws? 304 00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,470 Thoreau said that one man could be a majority if he was in the right. 305 00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:44,375 Does the man of conscience have the obligation to disobey outmoded laws? 306 00:15:45,545 --> 00:15:47,389 Oh, you bet your booties he does. 307 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:50,614 He has the obligation and the duty to his country. 308 00:15:50,683 --> 00:15:55,553 If he doesn't, every good man from Jesus Christ on has been all wet. 309 00:16:00,693 --> 00:16:03,060 If you break the law, you must stand trial. 310 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:05,629 Then it's up to your peers to judge your crime. 311 00:16:05,698 --> 00:16:08,732 It's their 12 consciences against yours. 312 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:11,846 Now, if you don't like a law, you can try to persuade your congressmen 313 00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:14,238 to help change it or you can join together 314 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:18,675 and demonstrate that your conscience isn't the only one opposed to the law. 315 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:22,546 In a democracy, the minority has the right to convince the majority 316 00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:26,150 that laws should be changed, but that does not give the minority the right 317 00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:30,921 to ignore the laws that exist and there cannot be a majority of one. 318 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:33,290 A killer's conscience tells him it's okay to murder. 319 00:16:33,359 --> 00:16:35,337 What happens to your majority of one man? 320 00:16:35,361 --> 00:16:38,721 Without laws and the people to enforce them, you've got anarchy, haven't you? 321 00:16:38,764 --> 00:16:40,431 The law of the jungle. 322 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:44,101 An awful lot of people have bled and died for an idea called democracy, 323 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:47,371 an idea that people are better than animals 324 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,806 and that a civilized nation is better than a jungle. 325 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:52,787 A lot of people are still fighting and dying for that belief. 326 00:16:52,811 --> 00:16:57,381 A lot of them wear badges because they believe in those American ideals. 327 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,684 My name is Mondo Mabamba. 328 00:17:00,753 --> 00:17:02,764 I'm the president of the Black Widow Party 329 00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:07,090 and I'm here to tell you honkies where you can put all that bull about democracy. 330 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:15,533 You're all a bunch of Nazis, only you don't dress as sharp. 331 00:17:15,601 --> 00:17:18,402 Not nearly as sharp, man. 332 00:17:18,471 --> 00:17:20,304 You boys drive through Watts 333 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,673 and all you want to do is catch one of us alone 334 00:17:22,741 --> 00:17:24,908 so you can work us over or blow our heads off. 335 00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:29,680 You tell us about that, Mr. Charlie, and tell us good 'cause I've been there, man. 336 00:17:29,748 --> 00:17:31,815 I've been there. 337 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:35,324 I'm not here to say that race relations have always been perfect on either side, 338 00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:37,254 but things are improving. 339 00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:40,791 The chief of police is seeing to that and that's our number one priority. 340 00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:44,328 But as for police brutality, that's another story. 341 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:47,931 We try to prevent it in the first place by not hiring brutal men. 342 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,402 Only one out of 25 who applies for a job in the department ever makes it. 343 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:54,650 We have three-man panels composed of one sergeant and two civilians 344 00:17:54,674 --> 00:17:57,874 who pass on every man who wants to go to the academy. 345 00:17:57,943 --> 00:18:00,444 One blackball and that man is out. 346 00:18:00,513 --> 00:18:04,315 Occasionally, a bad apple slips through or a good apple turns bad. 347 00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:07,084 Well, my friend, you don't want him on the job 348 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:08,930 and the department doesn't want him either. 349 00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:10,799 One trigger-happy cop making headlines 350 00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:13,457 is all it takes to give all police officers a black eye. 351 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,792 I've been on the job 12 years, 352 00:18:15,861 --> 00:18:17,706 and in that time I've drawn my gun eight times 353 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:20,063 and I've fired it twice, and that's about average. 354 00:18:20,132 --> 00:18:23,334 There are great many officers who have never fired their revolver. 355 00:18:23,402 --> 00:18:27,104 The only place I've ever fired mine is on the police pistol range. 356 00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:29,251 I wonder how many of you know there's a shooting board. 357 00:18:29,275 --> 00:18:31,609 It's made up of division chiefs. 358 00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:35,112 Now, if any police officer fires his gun even if he misses, 359 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:37,180 he has to make a report to that board. 360 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:40,562 And if he doesn't have a good reason for dropping the hammer, he's in big trouble. 361 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:43,920 What about that 15-year-old boy who was shot down last week 362 00:18:43,989 --> 00:18:46,189 by one of you brave boys in blue? 363 00:18:46,259 --> 00:18:48,726 Tell us about him. Will you do that, man? 364 00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:52,396 That 15-year-old was sniping at passersby from a rooftop. 365 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:56,267 He wounded six people, one of them seriously before the officer got there. 366 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:58,068 The officer was a better shot. 367 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:01,505 You can be shot just as dead by a 15-year-old as by his grandfather. 368 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,039 Oh, yeah? 369 00:19:03,108 --> 00:19:05,008 Men, answer me this. 370 00:19:05,077 --> 00:19:08,145 Now, one of you blue cats catch it and you get all excited. 371 00:19:08,213 --> 00:19:11,333 You really drop everything to go after a cop killer, don't you? 372 00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:14,685 You bet we do, but not just because he killed a friend of ours. 373 00:19:14,754 --> 00:19:17,232 Now, you figure it. If a man shoots down an armed officer, 374 00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:20,491 do you think he'd hesitate to shoot down an unarmed citizen? 375 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,626 Okay, answer me this. 376 00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:26,963 Why is it you guys always in patrol cars or sitting on cycles? 377 00:19:27,032 --> 00:19:30,066 Why don't you boys walk a beat like the force back East? 378 00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:32,269 You don't mind protecting us. 379 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:35,458 You just don't want to have to mingle with us, is that the idea? 380 00:19:42,147 --> 00:19:43,614 This is a city on wheels 381 00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:45,427 so we have a police department on wheels. 382 00:19:45,451 --> 00:19:46,961 We have to cover 254 square miles, 383 00:19:46,985 --> 00:19:51,755 and we've got only 5,700 men to cover them, 5,700. 384 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:54,591 New York has 28,000 policemen. 385 00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:56,427 Chicago has 12,000. 386 00:19:56,495 --> 00:20:00,497 As it is, the department is trying to arrange for more officers to walk a beat. 387 00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,433 But as Bill pointed out, 388 00:20:02,501 --> 00:20:05,013 it's not always practical in an area as large as Los Angeles. 389 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:08,037 We have to offer as much protection to as many as we can. 390 00:20:12,077 --> 00:20:14,790 I want to know why the Los Angeles Police Department 391 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,981 is prejudiced against Mexican Americans. 392 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,483 How do you figure? 393 00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:22,052 I applied for a job on the force and I was turned down. 394 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,389 Well, I can assure you it wasn't because you're a Mexican American. 395 00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:29,125 Just offhand, I'd guess you were rejected because of the height requirements. 396 00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:31,795 Our department requires a 5'8" minimum. 397 00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:34,331 Listen, fella. I can take care of myself. 398 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,334 I know judo. What's height got to do with it? 399 00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:40,070 It's the department's experience that a taller man 400 00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:43,151 is less likely to have to take care of himself as you put it. 401 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:46,877 Studies have proven that the injury rate is much greater for shorter policemen. 402 00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:48,990 There is now a policy change being discussed 403 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:52,349 that would drop the minimum height requirement to 5'7". 404 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:55,018 What good does that do me? I'm 5'4". 405 00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:56,520 What can I do? 406 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,922 Be happy you never grew those three inches. 407 00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:04,795 My name's Diane Newcombe. 408 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:08,031 I just want to say that I'm all for our police department. 409 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,401 I think they do a good job. 410 00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:16,940 And how long has your husband been on the force, ma'am? 411 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:21,144 My husband works at a supermarket and the police have prevented two holdups 412 00:21:21,213 --> 00:21:24,147 at his store in the past three weeks. 413 00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:25,783 Very commendable. 414 00:21:25,851 --> 00:21:28,118 Well, I for one am all for them. 415 00:21:28,186 --> 00:21:31,288 Where do you think we'd be without a police force? 416 00:21:31,356 --> 00:21:33,290 Better off, my dear. 417 00:21:36,094 --> 00:21:40,096 As you may have noticed, Sergeant, our audience is somewhat partial. 418 00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:42,399 Is that so? It doesn't show. 419 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,135 It's good to see you boys have a sense of humor. 420 00:21:45,203 --> 00:21:46,915 All right, we're reaching the end of our time, gentlemen. 421 00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:51,708 Tom, why don't you sum up your thoughts in about 15 seconds? 422 00:21:51,777 --> 00:21:55,512 Well, I think the officers have made some good points. 423 00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:58,381 They've defended the system about as well as they could, 424 00:21:58,451 --> 00:22:00,491 but the system is actually indefensible. 425 00:22:00,553 --> 00:22:03,854 The system promises equal justice for all. 426 00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:05,923 But for the poor, the black people, 427 00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,792 the Mexican American, that promise is a lie. 428 00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:11,929 For the rich, the police are a protective agency, 429 00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:15,699 and for the poor, they're professional harassers. 430 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:17,946 I don't like the system and I don't like the sort of people 431 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:19,736 who wear guns and badges 432 00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:23,540 and who enforce that system's rules like so many machines. 433 00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,047 Cops are all right, 434 00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:33,584 but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one. 435 00:22:36,922 --> 00:22:39,189 Sergeant, 15 seconds. 436 00:22:39,257 --> 00:22:40,991 We're not machines. 437 00:22:41,059 --> 00:22:43,226 If we were, maybe we'd never make mistakes. 438 00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:47,197 We'd never overreact, never make errors in judgment. 439 00:22:47,265 --> 00:22:49,967 Unfortunately, we're human beings, not computers. 440 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:54,170 Now, the book tells us to use the force necessary to apprehend the suspect. 441 00:22:54,239 --> 00:22:56,773 How much force is necessary? 442 00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:59,232 No computer can make that decision when you're 443 00:22:59,256 --> 00:23:01,512 chasing an armed suspect down a dark alley. 444 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,247 A man has to make that decision and he has to make it fast. 445 00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,918 Sometimes he doesn't use enough and he gets himself killed. 446 00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:09,616 I usually try to stay in the middle on this 447 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,332 show, but I can't resist this one, Sergeant. 448 00:23:11,356 --> 00:23:13,368 A man with a gun has no business making mistakes. 449 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,903 - Amen. - Amen. 450 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:17,761 We try not to, but we all make mistakes. 451 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:21,042 Maybe it's only a matter of putting the carbon paper in backwards in the typewriter 452 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,344 or burning the toast or missing a business appointment. 453 00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:25,226 You make that kind of a mistake and you say, 454 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:27,004 "Well, nobody's perfect. I'm only human." 455 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,373 But a police officer's mistakes are a matter of life and death 456 00:23:30,442 --> 00:23:32,554 and his decisions are made in a split second. 457 00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:36,146 Give him some credit for having the guts to make those decisions. 458 00:23:36,214 --> 00:23:38,782 His job and his life are riding on each one of them. 459 00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:42,519 And keep in mind, he is not asking for your applause. 460 00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:46,289 He knows you reserve that for ball players and movie stars. 461 00:23:46,358 --> 00:23:48,525 He's only a guy doing his job, 462 00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:52,295 and all he'd really like is a little common courtesy and some respect. 463 00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:53,830 Respect? 464 00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:55,098 That's right. 465 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,045 We know that you respect those American boys 466 00:23:57,069 --> 00:24:00,537 who go across the world to protect us from enemies 8,000 miles away. 467 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:03,284 Is a police officer less entitled because he's risking his neck 468 00:24:03,308 --> 00:24:07,644 to protect you from enemies in your own hometown? 469 00:24:07,713 --> 00:24:10,113 I respect them just about as much. 470 00:24:21,526 --> 00:24:23,994 Wouldn't it be nice if that were the alternative? 38458

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