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This is the city, Los
Angeles California.
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I work here. I carry a badge.
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The story you're
about to see is true.
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The names have been
changed to protect the innocent.
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It was Wednesday, September 4th.
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We were working
the day watch out of
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Robbery Division. The
boss is Captain Perry.
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My partner's Bill Gannon.
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My name's Friday.
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I was just returning from lunch.
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It was 1:05 p.m.
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I signed you back
in. Let's go upstairs.
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Upstairs?
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- Public Affairs wants
to see us.
- What about?
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Joe, you're the sergeant.
You got the rank.
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What that's supposed to mean?
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Nobody confides in me.
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We went upstairs to the 7th
floor, Public Information Division.
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Sergeant Dan Cooke is the
man who wanted to see us.
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- Afternoon, gentlemen.
- Hi, Dan.
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- Cooke, how is it going?
- I suppose you're wondering
why we asked you here.
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That'll do for openers.
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Ever hear of this fellow
named Chuck Bligh?
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No. Not me.
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- The guy on TV?
- The same.
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I have.
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We're not asking you to be
a television critic, Gannon.
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And by his gaze,
it would be easy.
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True. He's not exactly
sympathetic towards the department.
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Not sympathetic? He'd sell
the whole force for a dime.
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His producer called us and
wanted to know if we could send over
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a couple of working detectives
to sit in on his program tonight.
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You mean be on it?
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That's what they have in mind.
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I'm not much good at that kind of thing,
Why not send somebody from Command?
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Because the captain
thinks, and I agree with him,
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that it would be better to let him
interview two guys in the field level.
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Two average policemen.
No harm intended.
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Now, we're both talking about the
same program, "Speak Your Mind"?
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That's the name of it.
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- You've never seen the show?
- No, I haven't.
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Well, he's not exactly
what we'd call a friend.
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Maybe you can
change his mind a little.
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They expect you at 7:30,
Studio B. Here's the address.
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- No advice?
- Keep your left up.
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You've seen this
Chuck Bligh, huh?
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Yeah, wife watches the show
all the time. He's a snag one.
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You sit at home and really feel
sorry for the people on the panel.
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What's Aileen think
of the program?
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She says it's interesting.
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Can I help you, gentlemen?
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We're from the Los Angeles Police
Department. This is Bill Gannon.
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- My name's Friday.
- Right.
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You're on the panel with Profession
Tom Higgins and Jesse Chaplin.
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Plenty of time. I'll get
you into makeup. Tony!
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Makeup? I didn't know
we had to wear makeup.
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Take care of these
gentlemen, will you?
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We'll begin taping
in about 20 minutes.
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Just a little powder and
some eyebrow pencil.
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Eyebrows? What do
you think these are?
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They're too light. The cameras
won't pick them up. You look okay.
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For 45 years, they
haven't been too light.
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You look great.
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- That wasn't so bad, was it?
- Not so bad.
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He gave me the works, everything
but lipstick in a beauty market.
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Wait a minute.
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There, I feel better.
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- Tony, Chuck's cowlick.
- I'm on my way.
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He didn't hear me, didn't he?
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Rarin' to go? Good. Now,
we start with our theme
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then we go to Chuck's
intro then he'll introduce you.
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You walk on and take a seat
when you hear your name. Got it?
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- I think so.
- Now, you men understand
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we employ a rather loose
debate style of presentation.
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You men are on the side
with the police department.
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That's good.
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Now, Higgins and Chaplin
are on the other side, okay?
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There we go. Now, enjoy
yourselves. Now, one more thing.
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- What's that?
- Don't be afraid. Speak your mind.
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- Take a look, Joe.
- At what?
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- My tie, is it straight?
- Well, it was.
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- You got butterflies?
- Have I got what?
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- Butterflies in your stomach?
- No, I don't.
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Helen Hayes still
gets 'em. Butterflies.
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Fellas, could you hold it
down a minute, please?
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"Speak Your Mind,"
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the show that every week dares
to be different, dramatic and daring.
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This week's guests will discuss the
topic "The Police, Who Needs Them?"
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Anything can happen and usually
does when Chuck Bligh is around.
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And now, here's that number
one judge, Chuck Bligh.
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Thank you.
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Good evening, everybody.
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I'm glad to see so many of
you here in the studio tonight.
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It isn't raining outside, is it?
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Well, sir, tonight we're
going to get to the nitty-gritty
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about your friendly fuzz,
your local police officers.
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Okay, our first guest
needs no introduction.
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Professor Tom Higgins, historian,
social critic, and political activist,
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is one of LA's
makers and shakers.
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No ivory tower for this egghead.
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Our next guest is Jesse Chaplin,
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editor-publisher of LA's
favorite underground newspaper.
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He is the man responsible for "The Free
Forum," the thinking man's newspaper.
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Jesse!
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Now, on the other side, we have invited
two of the local fuzz to join us tonight.
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Hey, Tom, you're a professor.
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Maybe you can tell me,
how do you make fuzz plural?
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Is it fuzzes or fuzzi?
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- Fuzz is plural.
- One fuzz is a fizz.
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Well, we have two of
them with us tonight,
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Officer Bill Gannon
and Sergeant Joe Friday,
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Los Angeles Police
Department. Gentlemen.
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Jesse, why don't
we start with you?
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Well, as the topic tonight is
"The Fuzz, Who Needs Them?"
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Let me begin by saying
not me... or is not I?
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- It's neither of us.
- Right.
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As far as I'm concerned,
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you might as well ask,
who needed the Gestapo?
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And my answer to that
would be the establishment.
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See, it's the establishment in every
fascist state that needs the police.
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It's not the people.
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The establishment needs
the goon squads with the mace
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and the clubs and the
guns and the teargas
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to preserve the evils
of the status quo.
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You ask me who needs them
and I say it's not the black people,
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it's not the Mexican Americans,
and it's not the students.
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They're just trying to make
a new and better world.
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Who needs them are the fascists,
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the establishment fat cats
who have been rapping on us
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and sucking our blood
for thousands of years
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and are now getting a little
uptight because we, the people,
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are getting sick
and tired of it.
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A tough act to follow. Care
to try, Sergeant Friday?
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Mr. Chaplin, I'm not certain
who or what this establishment is
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that you keep talking about.
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If you're talking about the people
who hire us and pay our salaries
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or you're talking about yourself
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and Professor Higgins
there and Mr. Bligh,
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you're talking about the
taxpayers of Los Angeles.
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You really think that when
we get a call about a robbery
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or a killing, the first thing we do is to
check out the victim's bank balance?
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Something like that.
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And we have a great
many wealthy people in LA.
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Last year, the department
worked on 10,000 robberies,
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60,000 burglaries,
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1,400 rapes, 281 murders,
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26,000 car thefts.
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I don't happen to agree
entirely with the remarks
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of my good friend on my right.
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Geographically speaking.
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I'm less concerned with the police
as a so-called law enforcement agency
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than as a social arbiter.
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I think if they stick to playing
cops and robbers, it would be okay.
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Now, if someone swipes
my car, sure, I want it back,
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and it's your job
to find it for me.
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But if I'm demonstrating against the
president or against some company
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that's making blood money from
the production of war material,
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I don't want some goon
whom I as a taxpayer
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am supporting to break
my head or shoot me.
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I've yet to meet a cop who wasn't a
reactionary. Whose attitude wasn't,
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"I've got mine, buster, and I
couldn't care less if you starve."
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They like their guns and badges.
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They like the
power it gives them.
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It's people they don't like.
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Their idea of social progress
is a bigger pension plan
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for themselves.
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Gentlemen...
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Frankly, I wish we could
stick to cops and robbers.
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It's hard work, but at least the only
enemies you make are the criminals,
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not the very people
you're paid to protect.
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We're not supposed
to be social arbiters.
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We're policemen.
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If the president of the United
States visits Los Angeles,
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it's our job to protect him
because he is the president.
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Now, if you want a parade, all you need
is a permit from the Police Commission.
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We'll be there not
only to protect his life
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but to protect you against people
who might violently disagree
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with your point of view.
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Now as a citizen, you have
the right to demonstrate,
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but you have no right to
break the law and interfere
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with the rights of others in so
doing, and that includes the president.
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Break whose law?
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The establishment's.
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Property rights are all
they're concerned about,
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not human rights,
and the president now,
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if we don't demonstrate, how
do you suggest we reach him?
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Like most of us, you
might try the ballot box.
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You can't pick and
choose the laws you'll obey
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and say this one I will
and this one I won't.
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A democracy can't exist under
those terms and conditions, can it?
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The same book of laws that
gives you the right to assemble
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and demonstrate also
gives others protection of life
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and property if your
demonstrations get out of hand.
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It's always in the vested
interests of the rich.
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Well, then how would
you take it if somebody who
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didn't like your newspaper
started picketing you?
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That's their right, my friend.
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How would you like it if they
started marching through your offices
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and laid down in the
doorway of your bathroom?
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Would you still think
that's their right?
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I think we'd all agree
that you're both exceptions
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to the general run of policemen,
but then you're detectives.
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What about the boys in the
black and white patrol cars?
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Are they concerned with
anything but busting heads?
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Aren't they the boys
with the nightsticks?
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You men are on an entirely
different level, a much higher one.
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That's not quite true.
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Hold that thought, Sergeant.
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We'll be right back after this brief
word from our benevolent sponsor.
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Clear.
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You're doing fine, boys.
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I'd like to answer
that question.
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All those boys in the black
and whites are hardly made
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of the stuff as you and
Officer Gannon, right?
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Wrong. They're made
of exactly the same stuff.
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Everybody on the job from the
chief on down starts the same way
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on those black and whites, and everybody
takes civil service exams for promotion.
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- I didn't know that.
- Here you go, Chuck.
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Thank you, Monty.
How is it going?
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Good, fine. Good show. Stand by.
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The good sergeant
was just making a point,
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but unfortunately, we don't have
time to go into it because now,
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we come to this section of our
program where you the people, the jury
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get a chance to speak your mind.
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Okay, who wants the first crack
at cross-examining our witnesses?
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My name' s Harry Wilson
and I'd like to direct my question
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to one or both of
the police officers.
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I want to know why
we need gun laws.
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It's my constitutional right as an
American citizen to own a pistol,
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and if I got the cash to pay for it, it's
nobody's business but mine if I buy one.
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Tell me, sir, why do
you want to own a gun?
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To protect my home and family.
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I don't see why I, an American
taxpayer and a veteran,
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should have to run around
registering a gun. Crooks don't.
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Well frankly, sir, I wish I didn't
have to carry one, but I do.
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It's part of my job.
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Protecting my home is my job.
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Do you have any children?
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You bet I do... Three
boys... 5, 7, and 10.
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Well, where are you gonna hide a gun and
be certain that your boys won't find it?
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If you have the time
to get to your gun, you
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have the time to get
to a phone and call us.
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All right, look at it this way.
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We register all our guns.
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A foreign country invades us.
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Same thing will happen here
as it has in country after country.
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The invading army
just goes to the files
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and then goes around
confiscating all the weapons.
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We'll be left defenseless.
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I want to protect my country.
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You really believe
that might happen?
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You bet I do. Like I said, it's happened
before in other parts of the world.
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If that ever comes to pass
here and there's nuclear age,
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I doubt if many of us would be around
for any weapon collecting, will we?
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In other words, you men are
in favor of gun registration?
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No, sir, we didn't say that.
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It's not our position as civil
servants to state any preference.
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Gun registration and control,
like all other laws and regulations,
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is a matter for the
people to decide.
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And we work for the people.
Whatever they decide we'll enforce.
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And what's your name?
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My name's John Dietz and what I
want to know is why smoking pot is illegal
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but drinking booze ain't?
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And to whom do you
address that question, John?
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To Jesse Chaplin.
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It's because society is corrupt
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and because
things are run strictly
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for the profit of
the establishment
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and enforced by the
hypocrites in uniform. That's why.
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Sergeant.
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Society puts
restrictions on drinking.
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Get drunk and you get arrested.
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Even bartenders don't
want you to go away drunk.
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There's too much chance
you won't live to come back.
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Besides, nobody likes to be around
a drunk, not even another drunk.
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But with marijuana,
the whole purpose is to
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get so high you don't
know who or what you are.
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There's no such thing as a
quickie or one to be sociable,
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and in pot smoking circles, if
you're not flying you're a square,
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and flying means you don't know
where you are or what you're doing.
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Son, no matter how you
slice that, that's dangerous.
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What about LSD? You
police are against that too.
283
00:14:26,833 --> 00:14:28,966
Even Aldous Huxley dug acid.
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Aldous Huxley was a
great writer who took
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LSD and wrote of his
psychedelic experiences.
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I've read Huxley.
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A cop who reads.
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That's good,
sergeant. Good for you.
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Aldous Huxley experimented with
LSD under a doctor's supervision
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and the total amount of LSD
he took in all of his experiments
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amounted to less than most
kids take for a single trip.
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And I've heard an awful lot of propaganda
about the way the right kind of sugar cube
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can expand your mind.
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Propaganda?
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Son, if you want to expand your
mind, pay a visit to your public library.
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If there's a full moon, you
might even find a cop there.
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You try the library, boy.
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You'll discover the place
is full of magical cubes.
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They call them books.
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On that literary note, we'll
take time out to pay the light bill.
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My name is Charlie Varco.
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00:15:31,297 --> 00:15:34,165
Before, you were talking
about respecting all the laws.
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What about the bad laws?
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00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,470
Thoreau said that one man could
be a majority if he was in the right.
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Does the man of conscience have the
obligation to disobey outmoded laws?
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Oh, you bet your
booties he does.
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He has the obligation
and the duty to his country.
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If he doesn't, every good man from
Jesus Christ on has been all wet.
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If you break the law,
you must stand trial.
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Then it's up to your
peers to judge your crime.
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It's their 12 consciences
against yours.
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Now, if you don't like a law, you
can try to persuade your congressmen
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to help change it or
you can join together
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and demonstrate that your conscience
isn't the only one opposed to the law.
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In a democracy, the minority has
the right to convince the majority
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that laws should be changed, but
that does not give the minority the right
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to ignore the laws that exist and
there cannot be a majority of one.
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A killer's conscience tells
him it's okay to murder.
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What happens to your
majority of one man?
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Without laws and the people to enforce
them, you've got anarchy, haven't you?
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The law of the jungle.
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00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:44,101
An awful lot of people have bled
and died for an idea called democracy,
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00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:47,371
an idea that people
are better than animals
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and that a civilized nation
is better than a jungle.
325
00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:52,787
A lot of people are still
fighting and dying for that belief.
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00:16:52,811 --> 00:16:57,381
A lot of them wear badges because
they believe in those American ideals.
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00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,684
My name is Mondo Mabamba.
328
00:17:00,753 --> 00:17:02,764
I'm the president of
the Black Widow Party
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00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:07,090
and I'm here to tell you honkies where
you can put all that bull about democracy.
330
00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:15,533
You're all a bunch of Nazis,
only you don't dress as sharp.
331
00:17:15,601 --> 00:17:18,402
Not nearly as sharp, man.
332
00:17:18,471 --> 00:17:20,304
You boys drive through Watts
333
00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,673
and all you want to do
is catch one of us alone
334
00:17:22,741 --> 00:17:24,908
so you can work us over
or blow our heads off.
335
00:17:24,977 --> 00:17:29,680
You tell us about that, Mr. Charlie, and
tell us good 'cause I've been there, man.
336
00:17:29,748 --> 00:17:31,815
I've been there.
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00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:35,324
I'm not here to say that race relations
have always been perfect on either side,
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00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:37,254
but things are improving.
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00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:40,791
The chief of police is seeing to that
and that's our number one priority.
340
00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:44,328
But as for police brutality,
that's another story.
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00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:47,931
We try to prevent it in the first
place by not hiring brutal men.
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00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,402
Only one out of 25 who applies for a
job in the department ever makes it.
343
00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:54,650
We have three-man panels composed
of one sergeant and two civilians
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who pass on every man who
wants to go to the academy.
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One blackball
and that man is out.
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00:18:00,513 --> 00:18:04,315
Occasionally, a bad apple slips
through or a good apple turns bad.
347
00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:07,084
Well, my friend, you
don't want him on the job
348
00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:08,930
and the department
doesn't want him either.
349
00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:10,799
One trigger-happy
cop making headlines
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00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:13,457
is all it takes to give all
police officers a black eye.
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00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,792
I've been on the job 12 years,
352
00:18:15,861 --> 00:18:17,706
and in that time I've
drawn my gun eight times
353
00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:20,063
and I've fired it twice,
and that's about average.
354
00:18:20,132 --> 00:18:23,334
There are great many officers
who have never fired their revolver.
355
00:18:23,402 --> 00:18:27,104
The only place I've ever fired
mine is on the police pistol range.
356
00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:29,251
I wonder how many of you
know there's a shooting board.
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00:18:29,275 --> 00:18:31,609
It's made up of division chiefs.
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00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:35,112
Now, if any police officer
fires his gun even if he misses,
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00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:37,180
he has to make a
report to that board.
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00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:40,562
And if he doesn't have a good reason for
dropping the hammer, he's in big trouble.
361
00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:43,920
What about that 15-year-old
boy who was shot down last week
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00:18:43,989 --> 00:18:46,189
by one of you
brave boys in blue?
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00:18:46,259 --> 00:18:48,726
Tell us about him.
Will you do that, man?
364
00:18:48,794 --> 00:18:52,396
That 15-year-old was sniping
at passersby from a rooftop.
365
00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:56,267
He wounded six people, one of them
seriously before the officer got there.
366
00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:58,068
The officer was a better shot.
367
00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:01,505
You can be shot just as dead by a
15-year-old as by his grandfather.
368
00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,039
Oh, yeah?
369
00:19:03,108 --> 00:19:05,008
Men, answer me this.
370
00:19:05,077 --> 00:19:08,145
Now, one of you blue cats
catch it and you get all excited.
371
00:19:08,213 --> 00:19:11,333
You really drop everything to
go after a cop killer, don't you?
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00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:14,685
You bet we do, but not just
because he killed a friend of ours.
373
00:19:14,754 --> 00:19:17,232
Now, you figure it. If a man
shoots down an armed officer,
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00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:20,491
do you think he'd hesitate to
shoot down an unarmed citizen?
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00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,626
Okay, answer me this.
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00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:26,963
Why is it you guys always in
patrol cars or sitting on cycles?
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00:19:27,032 --> 00:19:30,066
Why don't you boys walk a
beat like the force back East?
378
00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:32,269
You don't mind protecting us.
379
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:35,458
You just don't want to have to
mingle with us, is that the idea?
380
00:19:42,147 --> 00:19:43,614
This is a city on wheels
381
00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:45,427
so we have a police
department on wheels.
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00:19:45,451 --> 00:19:46,961
We have to cover
254 square miles,
383
00:19:46,985 --> 00:19:51,755
and we've got only 5,700
men to cover them, 5,700.
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00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:54,591
New York has 28,000 policemen.
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00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:56,427
Chicago has 12,000.
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00:19:56,495 --> 00:20:00,497
As it is, the department is trying to
arrange for more officers to walk a beat.
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00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,433
But as Bill pointed out,
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00:20:02,501 --> 00:20:05,013
it's not always practical in an
area as large as Los Angeles.
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00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:08,037
We have to offer as much
protection to as many as we can.
390
00:20:12,077 --> 00:20:14,790
I want to know why the Los
Angeles Police Department
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00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,981
is prejudiced against
Mexican Americans.
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00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,483
How do you figure?
393
00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:22,052
I applied for a job on the
force and I was turned down.
394
00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,389
Well, I can assure you it wasn't
because you're a Mexican American.
395
00:20:25,458 --> 00:20:29,125
Just offhand, I'd guess you were rejected
because of the height requirements.
396
00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:31,795
Our department
requires a 5'8" minimum.
397
00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:34,331
Listen, fella. I can
take care of myself.
398
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,334
I know judo. What's
height got to do with it?
399
00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:40,070
It's the department's
experience that a taller man
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00:20:40,138 --> 00:20:43,151
is less likely to have to take
care of himself as you put it.
401
00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:46,877
Studies have proven that the injury
rate is much greater for shorter policemen.
402
00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:48,990
There is now a policy
change being discussed
403
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:52,349
that would drop the minimum
height requirement to 5'7".
404
00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:55,018
What good does
that do me? I'm 5'4".
405
00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:56,520
What can I do?
406
00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,922
Be happy you never
grew those three inches.
407
00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:04,795
My name's Diane Newcombe.
408
00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:08,031
I just want to say that I'm
all for our police department.
409
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,401
I think they do a good job.
410
00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:16,940
And how long has your husband
been on the force, ma'am?
411
00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:21,144
My husband works at a supermarket
and the police have prevented two holdups
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00:21:21,213 --> 00:21:24,147
at his store in the
past three weeks.
413
00:21:24,216 --> 00:21:25,783
Very commendable.
414
00:21:25,851 --> 00:21:28,118
Well, I for one am all for them.
415
00:21:28,186 --> 00:21:31,288
Where do you think we'd
be without a police force?
416
00:21:31,356 --> 00:21:33,290
Better off, my dear.
417
00:21:36,094 --> 00:21:40,096
As you may have noticed, Sergeant,
our audience is somewhat partial.
418
00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:42,399
Is that so? It doesn't show.
419
00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,135
It's good to see you boys
have a sense of humor.
420
00:21:45,203 --> 00:21:46,915
All right, we're reaching the
end of our time, gentlemen.
421
00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:51,708
Tom, why don't you sum up your
thoughts in about 15 seconds?
422
00:21:51,777 --> 00:21:55,512
Well, I think the officers
have made some good points.
423
00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:58,381
They've defended the system
about as well as they could,
424
00:21:58,451 --> 00:22:00,491
but the system is
actually indefensible.
425
00:22:00,553 --> 00:22:03,854
The system promises
equal justice for all.
426
00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:05,923
But for the poor,
the black people,
427
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:08,792
the Mexican American,
that promise is a lie.
428
00:22:08,861 --> 00:22:11,929
For the rich, the police
are a protective agency,
429
00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:15,699
and for the poor, they're
professional harassers.
430
00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:17,946
I don't like the system and I
don't like the sort of people
431
00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:19,736
who wear guns and badges
432
00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:23,540
and who enforce that system's
rules like so many machines.
433
00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,047
Cops are all right,
434
00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:33,584
but I wouldn't want
my sister to marry one.
435
00:22:36,922 --> 00:22:39,189
Sergeant, 15 seconds.
436
00:22:39,257 --> 00:22:40,991
We're not machines.
437
00:22:41,059 --> 00:22:43,226
If we were, maybe we'd
never make mistakes.
438
00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:47,197
We'd never overreact, never
make errors in judgment.
439
00:22:47,265 --> 00:22:49,967
Unfortunately, we're human
beings, not computers.
440
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:54,170
Now, the book tells us to use the force
necessary to apprehend the suspect.
441
00:22:54,239 --> 00:22:56,773
How much force is necessary?
442
00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:59,232
No computer can make
that decision when you're
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00:22:59,256 --> 00:23:01,512
chasing an armed
suspect down a dark alley.
444
00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:04,247
A man has to make that
decision and he has to make it fast.
445
00:23:04,316 --> 00:23:07,918
Sometimes he doesn't use
enough and he gets himself killed.
446
00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:09,616
I usually try to stay
in the middle on this
447
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,332
show, but I can't resist
this one, Sergeant.
448
00:23:11,356 --> 00:23:13,368
A man with a gun has no
business making mistakes.
449
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,903
- Amen.
- Amen.
450
00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:17,761
We try not to, but
we all make mistakes.
451
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:21,042
Maybe it's only a matter of putting the
carbon paper in backwards in the typewriter
452
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,344
or burning the toast or
missing a business appointment.
453
00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:25,226
You make that kind of
a mistake and you say,
454
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:27,004
"Well, nobody's
perfect. I'm only human."
455
00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,373
But a police officer's mistakes
are a matter of life and death
456
00:23:30,442 --> 00:23:32,554
and his decisions are
made in a split second.
457
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:36,146
Give him some credit for having
the guts to make those decisions.
458
00:23:36,214 --> 00:23:38,782
His job and his life are
riding on each one of them.
459
00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:42,519
And keep in mind, he is
not asking for your applause.
460
00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:46,289
He knows you reserve that
for ball players and movie stars.
461
00:23:46,358 --> 00:23:48,525
He's only a guy doing his job,
462
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:52,295
and all he'd really like is a little
common courtesy and some respect.
463
00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:53,830
Respect?
464
00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:55,098
That's right.
465
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We know that you respect
those American boys
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who go across the world to protect
us from enemies 8,000 miles away.
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Is a police officer less entitled
because he's risking his neck
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to protect you from enemies
in your own hometown?
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I respect them
just about as much.
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Wouldn't it be nice if
that were the alternative?
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