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My mother tells me
that by five years old...
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l had decided definitively
to become a concert pianist.
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l think she had decided
sometime earlier.
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The story goes
that while l was in the womb...
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she played the piano continuously
to give me a head start...
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and evidently it paid off.
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My mother was my first teacher
and l've never doubted her methods.
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After all
she introduced me to Bach.
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Oh good. Try another.
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By the age of ten l had the first book
of The Well-Tempered Clavier...
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pretty much under my belt.
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Good. Oh that's good.
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Very good.
Let's try one up at this end here.
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My childhood was full of music
even at our cottage on Lake Simcoe.
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Those days seem particularly idyllic
to me at least in retrospect.
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- Go ahead.
- They were compared to my school days.
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Eight-seven times twenty-three is--
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At an early age l could read music
and memorize it on the spot.
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ln fact l could read music
before l could read words.
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l remember l used to play a game
with my mother...
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where l would identify the chords she
played from the other side of the house.
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People always seem to make a great deal
out of these early signs...
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but they hardly constitute miracles
in my opinion.
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l simply have a facility
with a certain kind of minutia.
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- l always have.
- 87 times 26 equals 2262.
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Eighty-seven times--
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Eighty-seven times 27
equals 2349.
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Eighty-seven times 28
equals 2436.
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l often think how fortunate l was...
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to have been brought up
in an environment...
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where music was always present.
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Who knows what would have
become of me otherwise?
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lt's a question
l often ask myself...
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but l've yet to come up
with an answer.
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After all when we met for
the first time in a hotel in Toronto...
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after having talked at length
several times over the phone...
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or having written
to make our first appointment--
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l met him the temperature was
ninety degrees it was very warm--
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He was wearing a coat a hat
scarves and gloves--
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A seemingly extravagant getup...
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which in fact corresponded
exactly to the protection he needed...
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against the outside world to protect
himself from what finally killed him--
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Problems of germs
and blood pressure--
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So let us say that the first vision...
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one would have of such a person
was very surprising.
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You could not avoid being surprised at
the sight of someone resembling a tramp.
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But he walked into the hotel room
and stayed 1 8 hours straight.
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No outside worry
food or anything...
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interrupted the rapport
we were establishing.
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The other striking thing
was his sense of humor...
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his extraordinary ability to have fun
and offer ideas stimulating...
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both because of their depth
and because they were fun.
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So this slightly bizarre manner
which was the first thing you caught...
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and which lasted for that brief instant
of the first meeting and then was over--
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This disappeared very quickly to make
way for the real man that he was...
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who was not trying to shock others.
He was just trying to express himself.
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Mr. Gould to begin let me ask straight
out: Are there any off-limit areas?
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l certainly can't think of any
apart from music of course.
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Well Mr. Gould
l don't want to go back on my word.
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Your participation in this interview
was never contractually confirmed...
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but l assumed we'd spend the bulk of
the interview on music-related matters.
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Do you think it's essential?
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l mean my own personal philosophy
of interviewing--
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and l've done quite a bit of it
on the air as perhaps you know--
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is that the most illuminating
disclosures usually derive from areas...
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only indirectly related
to the interviewee's line of work.
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- For example?
- ln preparing radio documentaries...
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l've interviewed a theologian
about technology...
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a surveyor about William James...
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and a housewife about acquisitiveness
in the art market.
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But surely you've interviewed
musicians about music.
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Well yes l have on occasion but only
to put them at ease with the mike.
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But it's been far more instructive
to talk with Leopold Stokowski...
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about the prospect for interplanetary
travel which is l'm sure you'll agree--
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Let me ask this: ls there a subject
you'd particularly like to discuss?
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What about native rights in Alaska?
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Well l must confess l had a rather
more conventional line of attack...
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so to speak in mind Mr. Gould.
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As l'm sure you're aware the virtually
obligatory question about your career...
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is the controversy you created by giving
up live concert performance at age 3 2...
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and choosing to communicate
only through the media.
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l do feel we must at least
touch on it.
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As far as l'm concerned
it primarily...
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involves moral
rather than musical considerations.
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ln any case be my guest.
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Now you've been quoted as saying
that your involvement with recording--
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with media in general indeed
represents the future.
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- That's correct.
- And conversely the concert stage...
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the opera house or whatever
represent the past--
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an aspect of your own past
in particular perhaps...
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as well as in more general terms
music's past.
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That's true.
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l hope you'll forgive me for saying that
these ideas are only partly justified.
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Also l feel that you
Mr. Gould have forgone...
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the privilege that is rightfully yours
of communicating with an audience.
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From a power base?
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From a setting in which
the naked fact of your humanity...
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is unedited and unadorned.
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Couldn't l at least be allowed to
display the tuxedoed fallacy perhaps?
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Please Mr. Gould we shouldn't allow
this conversation to degenerate.
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l've tried to pose the question
in all candor and--
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Well then
l'll try and answer likewise.
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To me the ideal
audience-to-artist relationship...
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is a one-to-zero relationship.
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- That's the moral objection.
- Run that by me again?
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First l'm not at all happy with words
like "public" and "artist"...
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or the hierarchical implications
of that kind of terminology.
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The artist should be
granted anonymity.
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He should be permitted to operate
in secret as it were...
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unconcerned with or better still
unaware of the marketplace's demands...
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which demands given enough indifference
on the part of enough artists...
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will simply disappear.
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Given that disappearance the artist
will then abandon his false sense...
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of public responsibility...
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and his audience or "public"
will relinquish its...
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- role of servile dependency.
- And never the twain shall meet.
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No they'll make contact
but on a much more meaningful level.
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Well Mr. Gould
l'm well aware that this sort of...
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idealistic role swapping has
a certain rhetorical flourish.
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The creative audience concept of which
you've spoken at length elsewhere...
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has a kind
of McLuhan-esque fascination.
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But you conveniently forget that
the artist however hermetic his life...
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is still in effect
an autocratic figure.
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He's still however benevolently
a social dictator...
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and his public however generously
enfranchised by electronic options...
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is still on the receiving end
of the experience.
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All your neomedieval anonymity quest
on behalf of the "artist-as-zero"...
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and all your vertical pan-culturalism on
behalf of his "public" won't change it.
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May l speak now?
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Of course. Sorry to get carried away.
But l do feel strongly about the--
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- About the artist as Superman?
- That's not quite fair Mr. Gould.
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Or about the interlocutor
as controller of conversation perhaps?
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There's no need to be rude.
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What about this?
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lf you imagine that the artist--
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Yes. That's right.
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Toronto.
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Toronto Canada?
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lt should read as follows:
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" Dear Walter. Stop.
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Under the weather yesterday. Stop.
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X-rays reveal chronic bronchitis--
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Bronchitis in right lung. Stop.
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Feeling as foggy
as it is outside. Stop.
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Stop.
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lt would suit you perfectly. Stop.
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Cannot and will not
leave this room. Stop. End."
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Sir l am sorry to disturb
but we have a--
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- From New York? Yes.
- Yes sir.
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At last. Excellent. Thank you.
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Yes that would be it indeed.
Could you read that back to me please?
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Wait. Wait please stay.
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"Concerts tomorrow and Monday
cancelled" not "can't sell."
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That means
something entirely different.
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Go ahead.
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Yes.
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That's absolutely flawless. Could you
send it off immediately please?
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Room 31 8.
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Thank you.
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Salzburg to Stockholm Berlin...
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Wiesbaden Florence
Tel AvivJerusalem...
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and on the whole tour l'd say
there were maybe six good hotel rooms...
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five comfortable beds
and at least three adequate pianos.
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Some of these pianos were
so hopelessly unwieldy...
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l decided it was best
just to ignore them.
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lt required a kind of mystical
transcendence to get me through.
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l have no idea
what the audience resorted to.
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l'm not one of those piano freaks
you know. Of course...
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l know there are people who would gladly
sit in the most uncomfortable chair...
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with 3000 other people
in uncomfortable chairs...
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and listen to hours and hours
of the stuff...
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but it's nothing l would ever
subject myself to.
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l just don't like the sound
of piano music that much.
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Five minutes Mr. Gould.
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Yeah. Tell them to close the doors now.
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Yeah l think he's ready now.
l told you go ahead. Here he comes.
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This way Mr. Gould.
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l didn't want to bother you now but
l'm not gonna be here after the show.
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- Fine.
- Gary's gonna be here--
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the guy with the short you know--
he's gonna pick you up.
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And there is a reception after. l know
it's gonna be squaresville man...
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but you'd make some gray-haired ladies
happy if you waltz through it one time.
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l did wanna show you a schedule for
tomorrow. No don't bother with it now.
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Don't think about it. But later
if you wanna change anything--
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- l'm sure it's fine.
-you wanna see more of L.A.--
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l'm gonna leave it on your dresser.
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l think we should take the stairs.
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Maybe we should.
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Don't even think about it now.
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- lt's a long way.
- lt certainly is.
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lf it weren't for you l'd have been
dropping bread crumbs along the way.
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- Mr. Gould?
- Of course.
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- My wife has all of your records.
- Well...
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tell your wife that she has
exceptional taste.
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Also she's very lucky.
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l'm never going to sign
one of these again.
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How long have you worked
for this theater?
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lt's been almost 30 years.
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Thirty years? You must be near
retirement? lf you don't mind my asking.
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- No. At the end of the season.
- What will you do after that?
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- Well l have my garden.
- Yes?
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l'm going to build
an arboretum.
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- You know what that is?
- Yes l think so.
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My best to your wife and garden.
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Thank you.
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What did he say?
What did he write?
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"April 1 0 1 964. Best of luck
on your new career. Glenn Gould--
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The Final Concert."
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l think that like all people
who try to justify their stand...
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do what they want to do anyway...
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yet still want to justify it
in a universal manner--
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He too fell in this trap...
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of somewhat exaggerating
the morality of his decision.
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Of course in a way he was right.
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ln an audience some hear better than
others some see better than others.
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Sometimes in large churches people are
seated behind pillars and can't see.
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Acoustics can be exaggerated.
You hear too much or too little...
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the volume is too high
or the reverberation hurts the ears.
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He is right.
lt's not always ideal.
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But it's part of life.
For me it exists as a live element.
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Personally l find Glen Gould's
life too... too artificial.
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But as l said it's because l am not
in his league as a creator.
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l cannot make a life for myself
on my own excluding everybody else...
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and concentrating only on
this intellectual exercise.
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And the physical-- Trying to
avoid drafts protected by a scarf...
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not tolerating someone touching
my shoulder...
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And at the same time
he loved going to fishing villages...
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over the great--
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The great distances that Canada offers.
He liked that.
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He liked nature.
He liked natural men.
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He liked the fisherman
much more than a New York audience.
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Ready?
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Glenn we're ready for playback.
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l'm gonna give it to you
without EQ-ing okay?
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And all the levels are flat.
236
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Ready in three two...
237
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one.
238
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- Coffee?
- Yes. Yes.
239
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l really shouldn't be
giving this to you you know.
240
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lt's not very good for you.
241
00:35:00,478 --> 00:35:02,714
You mean coffee in general
or your coffee?
242
00:35:02,714 --> 00:35:06,050
No coffee and cream as a combination--
it's very bad for you.
243
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:10,043
- lt's dangerous.
- Where did you get this?
244
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lt just sits in your stomach like--
like asphalt. l read it in a magazine.
245
00:35:20,432 --> 00:35:24,425
The coffee from that machine is gonna
kill me anyway so a little cream--
246
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Yeah you're one to talk.
l mean look at you.
247
00:35:32,944 --> 00:35:35,213
You're falling apart there.
Now he could use some coffee.
248
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Sugar on the other hand
is actually a very good combination.
249
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lt actually helps the coffee do
what it's supposed to do. So--
250
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The ltalian Concerto.
251
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You know this is really good.
252
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l really think
we have something here.
253
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How was that?
254
00:36:19,491 --> 00:36:23,484
l think there's something in that.
Let's hear it again.
255
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l became Glenn Gould's chambermaid
because the other chambermaids...
256
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who were mostly middle-aged ltalian and
Jamaican women were terrified of him.
257
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They thought he was strange--
probably some sort of sexual deviant.
258
00:40:44,222 --> 00:40:46,891
They just found him peculiar
because he was very eccentric.
259
00:40:46,891 --> 00:40:50,884
When we were in Moscow in 1 957
we stayed at the Canadian embassy...
260
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and after the first concert...
261
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we went back into our limousine which
had been loaned to us by the embassy.
262
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At the end of the concert Glenn had
received a huge number of flowers...
263
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and big pots of mums
and other flowers...
264
00:41:08,312 --> 00:41:12,305
and as we got into the limousine
and sat down...
265
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all the flowers had been piled up there
and we had barely room to sit.
266
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Glenn said to me
"You know Walter...
267
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it feels like we are driving
to our own funeral at this point."
268
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This was his passion.
269
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He really really wanted to start--
270
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you know retire away
to Manitoulin lsland...
271
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to buy a big hunk of it and bring every
unwanted animal in the world there.
272
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There were numerous boxes--
273
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l think one time l counted
a dozen boxes of arrowroot cookies...
274
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sort of scattered about the room.
275
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There were also
numerous bottles of ketchup.
276
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lt was a very penetrating interview--
277
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the most intelligent questions l think
l'd ever heard about the North...
278
00:41:57,128 --> 00:41:59,197
from experts
laymen or anything else--
279
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questions that required
rather long answers.
280
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As l would start to speak
or make a point...
281
00:42:05,503 --> 00:42:09,496
he would register his feelings
not by voice but by a smile...
282
00:42:09,841 --> 00:42:13,834
but all the time he was
using his hands and conducting.
283
00:42:14,579 --> 00:42:18,572
This might be slightly off-putting when
you're trying to think deep thoughts...
284
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because l had no idea
what this was all about...
285
00:42:22,887 --> 00:42:26,324
but he continuously was just
waving his arms...
286
00:42:26,324 --> 00:42:30,317
and would sort of
bring up this idea and so on.
287
00:42:30,561 --> 00:42:33,097
l was his orchestra for that hour.
288
00:42:33,097 --> 00:42:35,933
So he decided to wear
this business suit...
289
00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:38,469
and l discussed it with him
and l said "You know Glenn...
290
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l'm not sure the public will understand
what you're trying to convey...
291
00:42:42,306 --> 00:42:46,010
but if you want to do it
go ahead" which he did.
292
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And he was probably the first artist
who went out on stage...
293
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without what was considered then
the proper concert attire.
294
00:42:53,251 --> 00:42:56,220
But he again was
in the forefront of change.
295
00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,191
He used to wake up
at about 4:00 in the afternoon...
296
00:43:00,191 --> 00:43:03,628
and to get himself awake
he used to phone people...
297
00:43:03,628 --> 00:43:07,621
and l was one of those people
he phoned.
298
00:43:10,034 --> 00:43:12,536
He'd talk about anything
you know.
299
00:43:12,536 --> 00:43:14,438
He just wanted a listening board.
300
00:43:14,438 --> 00:43:18,431
One night he called
and he was babbling on...
301
00:43:19,277 --> 00:43:23,180
and it was probably 1 :00
in the morning something like that...
302
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:27,173
and he--
and l fell asleep.
303
00:43:27,451 --> 00:43:29,987
As a matter of fact
before l fell asleep...
304
00:43:29,987 --> 00:43:33,424
l had stretched out on the rug
and l had the phone there...
305
00:43:33,424 --> 00:43:37,417
'cause l'd been sitting in the chair
and got tired so l stretched out.
306
00:43:38,229 --> 00:43:42,222
He was talking talking talking
and l wasn't talking at all.
307
00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:45,169
and l fell asleep.
308
00:43:45,169 --> 00:43:48,539
The next thing l knew
my son had walked into the room...
309
00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:52,009
and he was kicking me
on the soles of my feet.
310
00:43:52,009 --> 00:43:56,002
He said "Wake up.
There's somebody on the phone."
311
00:43:56,247 --> 00:43:59,483
lt was Glenn
and he was talking away.
312
00:43:59,483 --> 00:44:03,476
l don't know
how long l had been sleeping...
313
00:44:04,221 --> 00:44:08,214
but l didn't even remember
the sequence he was just--
314
00:44:10,027 --> 00:44:13,397
The words were just pouring out.
315
00:44:13,397 --> 00:44:17,390
The phone rang and as l picked it up
it was Glenn Gould on the other end.
316
00:44:17,568 --> 00:44:21,505
He said " Hi this is Glenn Gould
and l feel like talking."
317
00:44:21,505 --> 00:44:25,498
" Mario" he said "l came across the
most marvelous opera for your program."
318
00:44:27,411 --> 00:44:30,247
l said "What is it?"
He said "You know Ernst Krenck?"
319
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l said "Yes certainly."
He said...
320
00:44:32,116 --> 00:44:35,086
"l've got
this marvelous opera by him."
321
00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:38,155
He said "Wait l've got
the score here. l'll sing it to you."
322
00:44:38,155 --> 00:44:41,726
So he sang this entire
one-act opera--
323
00:44:41,726 --> 00:44:44,462
one-act two-scene opera--
over the telephone...
324
00:44:44,462 --> 00:44:48,065
in his not-very-pleasant voice.
325
00:44:48,065 --> 00:44:52,058
He was very much involved
with himself.
326
00:44:52,737 --> 00:44:56,730
You know he didn't think
of what others had to--
327
00:44:57,375 --> 00:45:01,078
what others had to do
or their responsibilities.
328
00:45:01,078 --> 00:45:04,115
You know
he was consumed with--
329
00:45:04,115 --> 00:45:07,218
with what he was doing
and his own things.
330
00:45:07,218 --> 00:45:10,988
His will was that he left...
331
00:45:10,988 --> 00:45:14,981
half of estate to the SPCA--
332
00:45:15,126 --> 00:45:18,596
Society for the Prevention
of Cruelty to Animals--
333
00:45:18,596 --> 00:45:21,265
and the other half
to the Salvation Army.
334
00:45:21,265 --> 00:45:25,258
Yes! Getting 31 8 back from Ottawa...
335
00:45:26,103 --> 00:45:28,372
to tune for the conservatory...
336
00:45:28,372 --> 00:45:30,808
when l was phoned up about it...
337
00:45:30,808 --> 00:45:34,311
l thought "Should l do this?"
338
00:45:34,311 --> 00:45:37,081
l thought " No l'm going to do it
just for old-times' sake."
339
00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:41,074
And when l got working on 31 8 again
and cleaned it up...
340
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,455
and tuned it and worked
on the action a bit...
341
00:45:44,455 --> 00:45:46,724
it felt good.
342
00:45:46,724 --> 00:45:50,394
So l guess l miss him.
343
00:45:50,394 --> 00:45:54,387
l miss his intelligent comments...
344
00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:58,792
and l miss listening
to his 20 questions...
345
00:46:00,337 --> 00:46:03,340
not particularly to me but--
346
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,610
He was--
l'll tell you one thing.
347
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:09,413
Today l had a customer phone me up
and say...
348
00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:12,616
"Can you come tomorrow
to tune my piano?"
349
00:46:12,616 --> 00:46:16,609
Glenn Gould used to give me
two or three months notice...
350
00:46:17,421 --> 00:46:19,723
and l respected that...
351
00:46:19,723 --> 00:46:23,716
and l'm very thankful
for knowing him.
352
00:47:33,764 --> 00:47:36,800
Hello Mr. Gould.
Do you want the usual?
353
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,793
Yes if you'd be so kind.
354
00:47:51,882 --> 00:47:55,875
Yeah l agree. For instance
one time up by the reptile house--
355
00:47:57,154 --> 00:47:59,790
you know where that is
up near Parry Sound--
356
00:47:59,790 --> 00:48:03,460
l see this hippie-yippie type
thumbin' a ride.
357
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:06,463
Long hair out to here.
358
00:48:06,463 --> 00:48:08,799
l figured l'd pick him up anyway--
359
00:48:08,799 --> 00:48:11,902
keep me entertained for a while
'cause l'm goin' all night.
360
00:48:11,902 --> 00:48:13,804
Keep me awake.
361
00:48:13,804 --> 00:48:17,797
Only when l pick him up
it turns out it wasn't a hippie at all--
362
00:48:18,876 --> 00:48:21,879
lt was a girl-- a young girl...
363
00:48:21,879 --> 00:48:24,315
and l mean pretty
like you never seen.
364
00:48:24,315 --> 00:48:28,308
So l says to her "What the hell you
doin' out here all by yourself eh?"
365
00:48:28,852 --> 00:48:32,845
And a hundred miles down the road
l got her whole life story.
366
00:48:33,991 --> 00:48:37,194
Seems like she had a fight
with her boyfriend.
367
00:48:37,194 --> 00:48:40,698
They broke up.
Then she had a fight with her parents...
368
00:48:40,698 --> 00:48:44,668
- and decided to run away from home--
-Janet?
369
00:48:44,668 --> 00:48:47,271
generation gap
or whatever the hell it was.
370
00:48:47,271 --> 00:48:50,307
Sit down. lt's not the right time
but l need to talk to you.
371
00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:53,844
A hundred miles later
she's curled up next to me...
372
00:48:53,844 --> 00:48:57,837
They are going to change my route.
l won't be coming this way anymore.
373
00:48:59,216 --> 00:49:02,319
l looked down at this sweet little
1 6-year-old thing...
374
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:05,656
The same route for three years.
The change isn't so bad.
375
00:49:05,656 --> 00:49:08,692
l turned my rig around
and l took her straight home--
376
00:49:08,692 --> 00:49:12,685
Do you know how many times
l've come here? l've counted: 1 56.
377
00:49:12,896 --> 00:49:14,932
You should have seen the look
on her parents' face.
378
00:49:14,932 --> 00:49:18,469
- Fifty bucks pal.
- They screwed us man.
379
00:49:18,469 --> 00:49:22,273
Damn lmlach. We would have been
better off with Clancy.
380
00:49:22,273 --> 00:49:26,043
Ohlman Anderson Ellis--
who needs 'em?
381
00:49:26,043 --> 00:49:28,812
- lf we still had Maholovich--
- Yeah but you don't.
382
00:49:28,812 --> 00:49:32,549
- You see there's a code l live by.
- Because it's over. l gotta go now.
383
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:36,542
- Montreal's gonna take it. Wanna bet?
- A strict ethical code. l believe it.
384
00:49:38,422 --> 00:49:41,025
- So come on-- rack 'em up.
- You rack 'em up.
385
00:49:41,025 --> 00:49:43,961
- l practice it.
- Okay ten bucks.
386
00:49:43,961 --> 00:49:47,765
l never regret it
not a minute-- never.
387
00:49:47,765 --> 00:49:51,758
No sir.
388
00:50:08,585 --> 00:50:10,621
Okay Glenn l'm ready to start.
389
00:50:10,621 --> 00:50:14,525
Yeah l'll give you the whole
thing from the top and when we get--
390
00:50:14,525 --> 00:50:17,695
l'll just hit the "record"button
and you can start.
391
00:50:17,695 --> 00:50:19,963
Are you all set? Here we go.
392
00:50:19,963 --> 00:50:22,533
Stand by.
393
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,501
Ready? Here we go.
394
00:50:24,501 --> 00:50:27,571
Three two--
395
00:50:27,571 --> 00:50:31,308
l was fascinated by the country as such.
l flew north from Churchill...
396
00:50:31,308 --> 00:50:35,301
to Coral Harbour on Southampton
lsland at the end of September.
397
00:50:35,379 --> 00:50:39,116
Snow had begun to fall and the country
was freshly covered by it.
398
00:50:39,116 --> 00:50:41,785
Some of the lakes
were frozen around the edges...
399
00:50:41,785 --> 00:50:45,778
but toward the center of the lake you
could still see the clear clear water.
400
00:50:47,324 --> 00:50:49,927
Flying over this country
you could look down and see...
401
00:50:49,927 --> 00:50:53,864
various shades of green in the water
and you could see the lake bottoms...
402
00:50:53,864 --> 00:50:57,368
and it was
a most fascinating experience.
403
00:50:57,368 --> 00:51:00,437
l remember l was up in the cockpit
with the pilot...
404
00:51:00,437 --> 00:51:03,540
and l was forever looking out
left and right...
405
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,076
and l could see ice floes
over Hudson Bay...
406
00:51:06,076 --> 00:51:10,069
and l was always looking
for polar bears or seals to spot.
407
00:51:10,714 --> 00:51:13,951
but unfortunately
there were none.
408
00:51:13,951 --> 00:51:17,087
And as we flew along
the east coast of Hudson Bay--
409
00:51:17,087 --> 00:51:19,690
- this flat country frightened me...
- l don't know. Let me say this again.
410
00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:23,683
- l don't go for this northmanship.
- because it just seemed endless.
411
00:51:24,561 --> 00:51:27,364
We just seemed going into nowhere.
412
00:51:27,364 --> 00:51:30,601
And the further north we went
the more monotonous.
413
00:51:30,601 --> 00:51:33,537
But l see it as a kind of a game--
this northmanship thing.
414
00:51:33,537 --> 00:51:37,007
People say "Well were you
ever up at the North Pole?"
415
00:51:37,007 --> 00:51:40,811
l say "l did
a dogsled trip of 22 days"...
416
00:51:40,811 --> 00:51:44,548
and the other fellow says
"Well l did one of 30 days. "
417
00:51:44,548 --> 00:51:48,152
Perhaps they would see themselves--
418
00:51:48,152 --> 00:51:50,687
Sure the North's changed my life.
l can't conceive...
419
00:51:50,687 --> 00:51:53,724
of anyone being
in close touch with the North...
420
00:51:53,724 --> 00:51:57,394
whether he lived there all the time
or simply travelled it...
421
00:51:57,394 --> 00:51:59,096
month after month
year after--
422
00:51:59,096 --> 00:52:03,089
l can't conceive of such a person
being really untouched by the North.
423
00:52:04,735 --> 00:52:07,905
When l left in 1 965--
at least left the job--
424
00:52:07,905 --> 00:52:11,898
lt was not like there was some
special merit some virtue...
425
00:52:12,709 --> 00:52:15,946
to being in the North
or some special virtue...
426
00:52:15,946 --> 00:52:18,582
in having been
with the primitive people.
427
00:52:18,582 --> 00:52:21,552
You know what special virtue
is there in that?
428
00:52:21,552 --> 00:52:24,688
lt is most diffiicult to describe.
429
00:52:24,688 --> 00:52:28,525
lt was extreme observation.
This is very true.
430
00:52:28,525 --> 00:52:32,518
l knew very well l could not go anywhere
except for a mile or two walking.
431
00:52:34,965 --> 00:52:38,958
l always think of the long summer nights
when the snow had melted...
432
00:52:39,169 --> 00:52:43,162
the lakes were open and the geese
and ducks had started to fly home.
433
00:52:45,642 --> 00:52:47,911
During that time
the sun would set...
434
00:52:47,911 --> 00:52:51,582
and when there was still
the last shimmer in the sky...
435
00:52:51,582 --> 00:52:54,618
l would walk out
to one of those lakes...
436
00:52:54,618 --> 00:52:58,255
and watch those ducks and geese
just fly around peacefully...
437
00:52:58,255 --> 00:53:01,658
or sitting on the water...
438
00:53:01,658 --> 00:53:05,496
and l felt that l was
almost part of that country--
439
00:53:05,496 --> 00:53:09,489
part of that peaceful surrounding--
and l wished that it would never end.
440
00:53:17,207 --> 00:53:21,200
This is Glenn Gould and this program is
called "The ldea of North."
441
00:53:35,259 --> 00:53:39,252
Let's talk about the radio documentaries
you made for the CBC.
442
00:53:40,531 --> 00:53:44,167
Two of your programs "The ldea
of North" and "The Latecomers"...
443
00:53:44,167 --> 00:53:46,937
are both about the idea of solitude...
444
00:53:46,937 --> 00:53:50,207
as it affects people living
in Northern Canada.
445
00:53:50,207 --> 00:53:54,200
ln fact all of those programs deal
to some degree with solitude.
446
00:53:55,012 --> 00:53:59,005
l've made five programs that have
taken 300 or 400 hours of studio time.
447
00:54:00,083 --> 00:54:02,819
Number one was as you mentioned
"The ldea of North."
448
00:54:02,819 --> 00:54:05,222
Two was " Latecomers."
Three was "Stokowski."
449
00:54:05,222 --> 00:54:07,691
Four is one we're just mixing now
on Casals--
450
00:54:07,691 --> 00:54:09,927
"Casals: A Portrait for Radio."
451
00:54:09,927 --> 00:54:13,920
l'm doing one next year on Schoenberg
and there's one that's lain around...
452
00:54:14,598 --> 00:54:16,233
for a year and a half.
453
00:54:16,233 --> 00:54:18,869
lt's a program about the Mennonites
called "Quiet in the Land"...
454
00:54:18,869 --> 00:54:22,239
and that's the ultimate
in community isolation.
455
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,676
So next l want to do a comedy
about an isolated man...
456
00:54:25,676 --> 00:54:29,046
because l'm sick and tired
of all these profound statements.
457
00:54:29,046 --> 00:54:32,015
Well radio itself is
a solitary experience.
458
00:54:32,015 --> 00:54:34,151
Why does it interest you as a medium?
459
00:54:34,151 --> 00:54:37,154
l'd like to deal with this
as sensibly as l can.
460
00:54:37,154 --> 00:54:40,023
lt's a big question.
lt's an important question.
461
00:54:40,023 --> 00:54:42,259
l don't know
what the effective ratio would be...
462
00:54:42,259 --> 00:54:44,661
but l've always had
a sort of intuition...
463
00:54:44,661 --> 00:54:48,654
that for every hour you spend
with other human beings...
464
00:54:49,066 --> 00:54:52,269
you need X number of hours alone.
465
00:54:52,269 --> 00:54:55,839
Now what that X represents
l don't really know--
466
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:59,042
whether it be two and seven-eighths
or seven and two-eighths--
467
00:54:59,042 --> 00:55:01,345
but it's a substantial ratio.
468
00:55:01,345 --> 00:55:05,338
Radio is something that's been
very close to me since l was a child...
469
00:55:05,649 --> 00:55:07,351
something l listen to
virtually nonstop.
470
00:55:07,351 --> 00:55:10,287
l mean it's wallpaper for me.
471
00:55:10,287 --> 00:55:12,990
l sleep with the radio on
in fact.
472
00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:15,592
Now l'm incapable of sleeping
without the radio on...
473
00:55:15,592 --> 00:55:17,661
ever since l gave up Nembutal.
474
00:55:17,661 --> 00:55:20,597
Does it affect your dreams?
475
00:55:20,597 --> 00:55:24,590
Sure insofar as if there are
broadcasts on the hour...
476
00:55:24,635 --> 00:55:27,270
l will pick up the bulletins
and dream them...
477
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:30,641
and in the morning if there's
a boat that's just gone down...
478
00:55:30,641 --> 00:55:34,634
l'll think "Gee that was on odd dream
about the Titanic l had last night."
479
00:55:36,213 --> 00:55:38,615
And l will have
of course gone through it.
480
00:55:38,615 --> 00:55:41,852
Maybe your feelings about solitude
come from your Nordic temperament.
481
00:55:41,852 --> 00:55:45,845
l think that's certainly part of it.
lt's always been an ambition of mine...
482
00:55:45,956 --> 00:55:48,125
which l'll probably
never get around to realizing...
483
00:55:48,125 --> 00:55:52,118
to spend at least one winter
north of the Arctic Circle.
484
00:55:52,229 --> 00:55:54,197
Anyone can go there in the summer
when the sun is up...
485
00:55:54,197 --> 00:55:57,434
but l want to go there
when the sun is down l really do...
486
00:55:57,434 --> 00:56:00,937
and so help me
l'm going to do it one of these times.
487
00:56:00,937 --> 00:56:03,173
l've been saying this
for five or six years now...
488
00:56:03,173 --> 00:56:06,643
and every year
the schedule gets in the way.
489
00:56:06,643 --> 00:56:10,636
Well l hope you do.
Thank you very much Mr. Gould.
490
00:56:25,195 --> 00:56:28,065
Mr. Gould thank you
for the interview yesterday.
491
00:56:28,065 --> 00:56:31,902
l would just like some
further clarification if l may.
492
00:56:31,902 --> 00:56:35,895
That's good. Where am l?
493
00:56:35,939 --> 00:56:38,075
Okay here we are.
494
00:56:38,075 --> 00:56:41,011
Now if it's really true
that you attach little importance...
495
00:56:41,011 --> 00:56:43,246
to the actual technique
of playing the piano...
496
00:56:43,246 --> 00:56:47,150
how is it that you have managed
to attain such a level of skill at it?
497
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:49,152
Well that is to say
don't you think it's depressing...
498
00:56:49,152 --> 00:56:53,145
for all the young pianists
of the world to know this?
499
00:56:58,361 --> 00:57:00,997
l really want to thank you
from the bottom of my heart...
500
00:57:00,997 --> 00:57:04,990
for arranging for me to have
this chance to interview you finally.
501
00:57:06,169 --> 00:57:08,171
And before we begin the interview...
502
00:57:08,171 --> 00:57:10,841
l also want to give you
a great big thank you...
503
00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:12,976
on behalf of all of our readers.
504
00:57:12,976 --> 00:57:14,845
These are tough questions.
They're gonna come up.
505
00:57:14,845 --> 00:57:18,448
People are gonna watch the play.
They're gonna ask me.
506
00:57:18,448 --> 00:57:21,985
Glenn Gould is apparently incredibly
interested in technology...
507
00:57:21,985 --> 00:57:24,454
but really wasn't technology
just a reason...
508
00:57:24,454 --> 00:57:26,389
or a way for him
to keep the world at arm's length?
509
00:57:26,389 --> 00:57:27,824
lt's just a big smoke screen
isn't it?
510
00:57:27,824 --> 00:57:30,393
Let me ask you this:
511
00:57:30,393 --> 00:57:34,386
What is Glenn Gould really like
when he's not in the studio?
512
00:57:34,798 --> 00:57:38,791
l mean what do you like to do when
you're outside of a recording booth?
513
00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:43,306
What kind of lifestyle do you lead?
514
00:57:43,306 --> 00:57:47,277
Mr. Gould you are a perfectionist
when it comes to recording.
515
00:57:47,277 --> 00:57:50,914
So why is it when you are recording
you place little importance...
516
00:57:50,914 --> 00:57:54,484
on whether you have a piano with
noisy works or a chair that squeaks?
517
00:57:54,484 --> 00:57:58,455
Why when you seem obsessed
with this idea of musical perfection...
518
00:57:58,455 --> 00:58:02,359
do you hum as you play?
519
00:58:02,359 --> 00:58:06,352
Well--
520
00:58:09,566 --> 00:58:11,201
l forgot the question.
521
00:58:11,201 --> 00:58:15,194
l mean what aspect of your life...
522
00:58:16,173 --> 00:58:18,275
has nothing to do...
523
00:58:18,275 --> 00:58:21,478
with-- with-with...
524
00:58:21,478 --> 00:58:24,548
anything that has to do with...
525
00:58:24,548 --> 00:58:28,451
classical musical music?
526
00:58:28,451 --> 00:58:31,888
Years ago you said that you were gonna
leave public performance...
527
00:58:31,888 --> 00:58:34,291
because you wanted to compose...
528
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,293
and we've waited
and the years have passed...
529
00:58:36,293 --> 00:58:38,895
and there's no body of work--
l mean musically speaking--
530
00:58:38,895 --> 00:58:42,888
and people are waiting.
531
00:58:44,568 --> 00:58:48,104
How do you feel about all that?
532
00:58:48,104 --> 00:58:50,140
Would you teach me piano?
533
00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:52,843
What about children?
l mean have you thought about that?
534
00:58:52,843 --> 00:58:54,911
What do you look for in a woman?
535
00:58:54,911 --> 00:58:58,014
Or maybe l should just say
what are you waiting for?
536
00:58:58,014 --> 00:59:01,151
One more question if l may
out of curiosity.
537
00:59:01,151 --> 00:59:04,421
Why do you insist
on conducting interviews by phone?
538
00:59:04,421 --> 00:59:07,891
Mr. Gould you stated that in
our culture there are economic...
539
00:59:07,891 --> 00:59:10,927
and social forces at play
which have already rendered...
540
00:59:10,927 --> 00:59:13,430
concert halls obsolete.
Furthermore you expected...
541
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:15,498
these halls to disappear
by the year 2000.
542
00:59:15,498 --> 00:59:18,568
ln which way does this statement
allow you to look anew...
543
00:59:18,568 --> 00:59:20,837
upon the mechanics and the economy
of the music market...
544
00:59:20,837 --> 00:59:24,830
and on the subservience of
the artist to this system?
545
00:59:27,043 --> 00:59:29,412
Well um--
546
00:59:29,412 --> 00:59:30,914
Obsolete.
547
00:59:30,914 --> 00:59:34,317
l know.
You left the concert platform.
548
00:59:34,317 --> 00:59:37,053
lt's been talked about
it's been explained...
549
00:59:37,053 --> 00:59:41,046
all the reasons
but when you think about it...
550
00:59:42,492 --> 00:59:46,485
on the day that it happened
it was about fear wasn't it?
551
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:50,623
While you consider this new
cultural order as the emancipation...
552
00:59:50,867 --> 00:59:54,860
of the artist it seems in my opinion
that this vision encourages...
553
00:59:54,905 --> 00:59:57,574
a techno-hegemony and
the exploitation of the artist...
554
00:59:57,574 --> 00:59:59,910
by capitalistic mega-structures
don't you think?
555
00:59:59,910 --> 01:00:02,879
l've asked you about your music
l've asked you about your family...
556
01:00:02,879 --> 01:00:05,215
l've asked you about your children
what you had for dinner...
557
01:00:05,215 --> 01:00:08,385
l've asked you what you do
when you go to a movie.
558
01:00:08,385 --> 01:00:11,454
Mr. Gould you've stated...
559
01:00:11,454 --> 01:00:15,258
that the concert hall is becoming...
560
01:00:15,258 --> 01:00:19,062
more and more
of an economic liability...
561
01:00:19,062 --> 01:00:23,055
but that you foresee this problem
rectifying itself by the year 2000.
562
01:00:26,236 --> 01:00:30,229
Why?
563
01:00:32,075 --> 01:00:35,211
Okay fine.
564
01:00:35,211 --> 01:00:39,204
Are you homosexual?
565
01:00:41,151 --> 01:00:45,144
Why didn't you answer my calls?
566
01:00:45,722 --> 01:00:49,715
Why did you stop calling me?
567
01:00:53,563 --> 01:00:57,556
You know l am deeply in love
with a certain beautiful girl.
568
01:00:58,401 --> 01:01:00,737
l asked her to marry me
but she turned me down...
569
01:01:00,737 --> 01:01:04,140
but l still love her more
than anything in the world...
570
01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:08,133
and every minute l can spend with her
is pure heaven.
571
01:01:08,645 --> 01:01:11,081
But l don't want to be a bore...
572
01:01:11,081 --> 01:01:15,074
and if l can only get her to tell me
when l could see her it would help.
573
01:01:15,752 --> 01:01:19,389
She has a standing invitation to let me
take her anywhere she'd like to go...
574
01:01:19,389 --> 01:01:23,382
anytime but it seems to me
she never has time for me.
575
01:01:24,594 --> 01:01:27,397
Please if you see her
ask her to let me know...
576
01:01:27,397 --> 01:01:31,390
when l can see her
and when l can--
577
01:04:55,171 --> 01:04:58,975
Sheik Ahmed Zaki Yamani arrived
in Ottawa today to begin...
578
01:04:58,975 --> 01:05:02,968
a series of discussions across Canada
about the future of oil pricing.
579
01:05:03,413 --> 01:05:05,415
- The powerful Saudi oil minister--
- Howie thanks for holding.
580
01:05:05,415 --> 01:05:07,951
lt's me your fairy godmother.
You just cleared 30 grand in your sleep.
581
01:05:07,951 --> 01:05:11,944
1 2000 Texas Gulf at 46. Call me
and let me know how the options open.
582
01:05:12,889 --> 01:05:15,358
Sorry sir. What's on the recommender?
Play it safe.
583
01:05:15,358 --> 01:05:19,351
l'm sticking with the big one.
Oil that is black gold Texas tea.
584
01:05:19,395 --> 01:05:22,465
Across the board: Gulf Dome Petrofina.
Take your pick hold on for the ride.
585
01:05:22,465 --> 01:05:26,458
We're going through the roof here.
l'm looking at 3 2 by the bell. Okay.
586
01:05:27,637 --> 01:05:30,640
Sotex Resources?
No never heard of it.
587
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,644
Yeah l'll check the charts.
588
01:05:34,644 --> 01:05:37,413
Yeah but again
l'm telling you oil right now...
589
01:05:37,413 --> 01:05:41,406
is as close to a sure thing as we got in
this business and it's crazy to sell.
590
01:05:41,551 --> 01:05:43,853
Sotex. No.
591
01:05:43,853 --> 01:05:47,657
Got nothing on it. Sounds risky to me.
You want it you got it.
592
01:05:47,657 --> 01:05:51,394
- Who's that? Who is it?
- Glenn Gould.
593
01:05:51,394 --> 01:05:53,930
l'll just ask you to remember
in the days and weeks ahead...
594
01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:55,932
this was your bright idea.
595
01:05:55,932 --> 01:05:59,002
That's my job. Later.
596
01:05:59,002 --> 01:06:02,995
- The piano player?
- Yeah Glenn Gould the piano player.
597
01:06:05,008 --> 01:06:08,911
Okay got a buy for you:
1 0000 STX Gould.
598
01:06:08,911 --> 01:06:11,781
- What's the special of the day?
- Canstar Oil and Gas.
599
01:06:11,781 --> 01:06:14,717
- Eleven and three quarters.
- Mr. Mackie lunched with the minister.
600
01:06:14,717 --> 01:06:16,452
There's an incentive program
in the air.
601
01:06:16,452 --> 01:06:18,788
- Well l don't buy it.
- He's in for 90 thou.
602
01:06:18,788 --> 01:06:22,258
The Pormack brothers are in tight with
the Saudis. They've mopped up all week.
603
01:06:22,258 --> 01:06:25,461
So as long as this embargo holds--
604
01:06:25,461 --> 01:06:28,431
- lt's going up up and away.
- Anything else Mr. Gould?
605
01:06:28,431 --> 01:06:31,501
Yes l'll have a cup of coffee
and a telephone.
606
01:06:31,501 --> 01:06:34,871
- Everybody's buying.
- l'm afraid l can't agree.
607
01:06:34,871 --> 01:06:36,873
What do you mean?
Do you know something?
608
01:06:36,873 --> 01:06:40,866
l had a small word with Sheik Yamani's
bodyguard at the airport and--
609
01:06:41,611 --> 01:06:43,880
- And what?
- Now...
610
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,873
this one has to be kept
strictly between you and me.
611
01:06:48,885 --> 01:06:52,288
STX-- Sotex Resources?
Never heard of it.
612
01:06:52,288 --> 01:06:56,281
The sheik has and he's about to deliver
them a major explorations contract.
613
01:07:03,633 --> 01:07:07,570
This is entirely entre nous.
This is just between you and me.
614
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:10,873
Sotex? Hang on one second.
615
01:07:10,873 --> 01:07:14,866
- Here it is.
- Little stock called Sotex. Hear of it?
616
01:07:18,948 --> 01:07:22,685
Sotex ten and a third.
Get me 20000 shares.
617
01:07:22,685 --> 01:07:26,389
Mines natural resources
stuff from up north you know.
618
01:07:26,389 --> 01:07:30,382
Listen Sheik Yamani is very interested
in this company.
619
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:37,934
The TSE dropped 40 points as a result
of this morning's announcement...
620
01:07:37,934 --> 01:07:41,070
and the Dow fell back
an alarming 7 2 points.
621
01:07:41,070 --> 01:07:44,474
One of the few bright spots
in the midst of this doom and gloom...
622
01:07:44,474 --> 01:07:47,443
was a tiny company
called Sotex Resources...
623
01:07:47,443 --> 01:07:51,436
which closed at 1 5.3.
624
01:07:52,582 --> 01:07:56,552
Ten and a quarter. Ditch it for
Christ's sake. What are you waiting for?
625
01:07:56,552 --> 01:07:59,956
Yeah Howie unfortunately
we are looking at a bit of a dip.
626
01:07:59,956 --> 01:08:03,059
Down 1 2 points. Well that's the way
the game works. You know the risk.
627
01:08:03,059 --> 01:08:05,962
Sotex? Sure.
You want a piece?
628
01:08:05,962 --> 01:08:08,064
Look what do you want me to say?
629
01:08:08,064 --> 01:08:12,057
You lost l lost everybody lost.
Take it up with OPEC.
630
01:08:12,702 --> 01:08:14,704
Whatever you say Glenn.
631
01:08:14,704 --> 01:08:17,907
You know l have to confess you were my
only client who made a buck last week.
632
01:08:17,907 --> 01:08:21,900
And a pretty good one too.
Hey listen you gave up touring.
633
01:08:22,545 --> 01:08:25,915
Maybe you should give up playing piano
altogether and just play the market.
634
01:08:25,915 --> 01:08:28,885
That's right a virtuoso.
635
01:08:28,885 --> 01:08:32,878
Yeah l'll talk to you soon.
636
01:08:34,991 --> 01:08:38,984
Piano player.
637
01:09:06,756 --> 01:09:09,659
"Wanted;:friendly
companionably reclusive...
638
01:09:09,659 --> 01:09:12,462
socially unacceptable
alcoholically abstemious...
639
01:09:12,462 --> 01:09:15,064
tirelessly talkative
zealously unzealous...
640
01:09:15,064 --> 01:09:17,667
spiritually intense
minimally turquoise...
641
01:09:17,667 --> 01:09:19,669
maximally ecstatic loon...
642
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:22,538
seeks moth or moths
with similar equalities...
643
01:09:22,538 --> 01:09:25,174
for purposes of telephonic seduction...
644
01:09:25,174 --> 01:09:27,477
Tristan-esque trip-taking--
645
01:09:27,477 --> 01:09:30,780
Tristan-esque--
Tristan-esque trip-taking...
646
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:32,915
and permanent flame-fluttering.
647
01:09:32,915 --> 01:09:36,052
No photos required.
Financial status immaterial.
648
01:09:36,052 --> 01:09:39,489
All ages and noncompetitive
vocations considered.
649
01:09:39,489 --> 01:09:42,758
Applicants should furnish cassettes
of sample conversation...
650
01:09:42,758 --> 01:09:46,095
notarized certification
of marital disinclination...
651
01:09:46,095 --> 01:09:50,088
references re: low-decibel
vocal consistency...
652
01:09:50,266 --> 01:09:53,769
"itinery" and--
653
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:55,938
itinerary and sample receipts...
654
01:09:55,938 --> 01:09:59,775
from previous successfully completed
out-of-town moth flights.
655
01:09:59,775 --> 01:10:03,768
All submissions treated confidentially.
No paws need apply.
656
01:10:04,947 --> 01:10:07,483
The auditions
for all promising candidates...
657
01:10:07,483 --> 01:10:11,476
will be conducted to
and on Anaton Penisend Newfoundland."
658
01:10:27,203 --> 01:10:31,196
Toronto Star Classified.
Good afternoon.
659
01:10:44,954 --> 01:10:47,290
Valium;:a minor tranquilizer...
660
01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:50,560
used to relieve symptoms
of tension and anxiety.
661
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,553
Avoid using this medication
in conjunction with antidepressants.
662
01:10:55,264 --> 01:10:57,967
Trifluoperazine;:an antipsychotic...
663
01:10:57,967 --> 01:11:01,604
prescribed for moderate to severe
depression and anxiety.
664
01:11:01,604 --> 01:11:04,273
This medication may cause
an inability to sleep.
665
01:11:04,273 --> 01:11:07,143
Do not take in conjunction
with barbiturates.
666
01:11:07,143 --> 01:11:08,711
Like other barbiturates...
667
01:11:08,711 --> 01:11:12,715
pentobarbital acts by interfering
with nerve impulses to the brain.
668
01:11:12,715 --> 01:11:15,051
Long-term use
may result in addiction.
669
01:11:15,051 --> 01:11:17,587
Side effects include
drowsiness lethargy...
670
01:11:17,587 --> 01:11:21,290
and a general allergic reaction.
671
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:23,292
Librax is most commonly used...
672
01:11:23,292 --> 01:11:27,285
to soothe the anxiety often associated
with gastrointestinal disorders.
673
01:11:27,697 --> 01:11:29,865
The effects of Librax
may be inhibited...
674
01:11:29,865 --> 01:11:33,858
by certain medications used in
the treatment of high blood pressure.
675
01:11:34,036 --> 01:11:37,006
Aldomet is used to control
high blood pressure.
676
01:11:37,006 --> 01:11:40,977
A mild sedative effect or transient
headache are possible side effects.
677
01:11:40,977 --> 01:11:44,213
Aldomet will increase the effectiveness
of other antihypertensives.
678
01:11:44,213 --> 01:11:46,716
Clonidine acts in the brain...
679
01:11:46,716 --> 01:11:49,251
by causing the dilation
of certain blood vessels.
680
01:11:49,251 --> 01:11:53,089
Side effects include drowsiness
dizziness headache and fatigue.
681
01:11:53,089 --> 01:11:55,758
lndocin;:a nonsteroidal agent...
682
01:11:55,758 --> 01:11:59,028
used to treat various forms
ofjoint and muscle inflammation.
683
01:11:59,028 --> 01:12:01,297
lt can produce
severe stomach upsets...
684
01:12:01,297 --> 01:12:05,290
rashes itching
and even a ringing in the ears.
685
01:12:06,102 --> 01:12:07,970
Hydrochlorothiazide;:
686
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:11,407
an antihypertensive used in
the treatment of high blood pressure.
687
01:12:11,407 --> 01:12:15,400
Side effects include headache
restlessness and a depressed sex drive.
688
01:12:16,278 --> 01:12:20,271
Septra;:an anti-infective used to treat
infections of the urinary tract.
689
01:12:20,816 --> 01:12:24,809
May cause itching rashes
drug-fever or arthritis-like pain.
690
01:12:26,088 --> 01:12:29,025
Fiorinal;:
a nonnarcotic pain reliever...
691
01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:31,327
can lead to drug dependence
or addiction.
692
01:12:31,327 --> 01:12:35,064
lnteraction with phenylbutazone
may cause stomach irritation.
693
01:12:35,064 --> 01:12:38,000
Phenylbutazone;:
an anti-inflammatory...
694
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,003
often used to treat pain
in the shoulder due to bursitis.
695
01:12:41,003 --> 01:12:44,874
Prolonged use may lead
to excessive water retention.
696
01:12:44,874 --> 01:12:48,844
Chlorothiazide;:a diuretic used in
the treatment of high blood pressure...
697
01:12:48,844 --> 01:12:52,837
or in situations where it is necessary
to rid the body of excess water.
698
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:56,719
Avoid using in conjunction with drugs
that have a stimulant effect.
699
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:59,989
Allopurinol;:
an anti-gout medication.
700
01:12:59,989 --> 01:13:03,959
A major side effect is exhaustion
and a desire to sleep.
701
01:13:03,959 --> 01:13:07,952
Avoid tasks
that require concentration.
702
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:16,872
He didn't talk to me
about drugs very much...
703
01:13:16,872 --> 01:13:19,442
except these instances
when he would excuse himself...
704
01:13:19,442 --> 01:13:21,744
and then-- it was interesting.
705
01:13:21,744 --> 01:13:25,448
Of course there was a bathroom
in this hotel suite...
706
01:13:25,448 --> 01:13:28,317
and l asked him
if l could use the bathroom.
707
01:13:28,317 --> 01:13:32,310
These sessions went on for six
and seven hours and so l did--
708
01:13:33,255 --> 01:13:36,325
l remember going in there and seeing
lined up on the wall...
709
01:13:36,325 --> 01:13:39,695
all these different bottles
and l came out and l said--
710
01:13:39,695 --> 01:13:43,688
l said "Glenn surely you're
not taking all this stuff are you?"
711
01:13:43,966 --> 01:13:47,959
He said "Well no not all at once"
and sort of laughed.
712
01:13:49,004 --> 01:13:51,006
l don't understand that in him.
713
01:13:51,006 --> 01:13:54,999
l never understood that and he--
714
01:13:55,277 --> 01:13:59,270
l didn't have the feeling
that he was acting in a--
715
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:04,943
in a way that had been produced
by a drug.
716
01:14:05,488 --> 01:14:08,491
He was neither speeding
nor was he sort of you know...
717
01:14:08,491 --> 01:14:12,484
not in control of his
any kinds of anything.
718
01:14:12,795 --> 01:14:16,788
And here was this lineup of bottles.
719
01:16:33,369 --> 01:16:35,404
Mr. Gould we've covered
a lot of the topics...
720
01:16:35,404 --> 01:16:37,406
that l wanted to cover with you.
721
01:16:37,406 --> 01:16:41,399
But could we perhaps move on
to some of the more personal questions?
722
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:44,446
Tell me do you believe
in the supernatural...
723
01:16:44,446 --> 01:16:47,182
or in ESP?
724
01:16:47,182 --> 01:16:51,086
You know no one's ever
asked me that before.
725
01:16:51,086 --> 01:16:53,589
Do l believe in the supernatural?
Of course.
726
01:16:53,589 --> 01:16:57,393
Yes... and no.
727
01:16:57,393 --> 01:17:00,229
That is to say...
728
01:17:00,229 --> 01:17:03,065
l don't hold with this notion...
729
01:17:03,065 --> 01:17:07,002
that one's mind can be read
like a book...
730
01:17:07,002 --> 01:17:09,138
or some such thing.
731
01:17:09,138 --> 01:17:11,407
But that there are...
732
01:17:11,407 --> 01:17:15,311
certain inexplicable coincidences
in the world...
733
01:17:15,311 --> 01:17:18,247
seems to me patently obvious.
734
01:17:18,247 --> 01:17:21,083
Have you ever experienced
any of those coincidences?
735
01:17:21,083 --> 01:17:23,218
Could you tell me about it?
736
01:17:23,218 --> 01:17:25,421
Yes several times...
737
01:17:25,421 --> 01:17:29,414
the oddest being when l was
very young-- nine years old.
738
01:17:30,192 --> 01:17:33,062
l should preface this by saying...
739
01:17:33,062 --> 01:17:36,265
that l've always been fascinated
by dreams...
740
01:17:36,265 --> 01:17:39,068
and the kind of feeling...
741
01:17:39,068 --> 01:17:42,438
that they leave one with.
742
01:17:42,438 --> 01:17:46,431
There's a certain horrible feeling...
743
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:49,311
tragic sense of loss...
744
01:17:49,311 --> 01:17:53,304
that one can derive only from a dream.
745
01:17:55,017 --> 01:17:57,619
Anyway at this time...
746
01:17:57,619 --> 01:18:00,422
l was about nine years old--
747
01:18:00,422 --> 01:18:02,524
Pardon me.
748
01:18:02,524 --> 01:18:06,095
About nine years old
and l had this peculiar dream...
749
01:18:06,095 --> 01:18:10,088
in which l saw myself covered
with red spots.
750
01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:14,503
The next morning
when l mentioned it to my mother...
751
01:18:14,503 --> 01:18:18,496
she'd had exactly the same dream.
752
01:18:18,574 --> 01:18:21,643
Now at that time
there was no hint of measles...
753
01:18:21,643 --> 01:18:25,447
no epidemic no worry of any kind...
754
01:18:25,447 --> 01:18:28,517
so the dream certainly
couldn't have been affected...
755
01:18:28,517 --> 01:18:32,510
by any external common suggestion.
756
01:18:33,355 --> 01:18:37,348
And yet four days later
l got the measles.
757
01:18:38,293 --> 01:18:42,286
Very interesting.
Tell me continuing...
758
01:18:42,364 --> 01:18:46,357
what do you believe
regarding afterlife?
759
01:18:47,002 --> 01:18:49,772
Well l was brought up
a Presbyterian...
760
01:18:49,772 --> 01:18:52,107
though l stopped being a churchgoer...
761
01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:56,100
at about the age of 1 8.
762
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:01,350
l've always felt
tremendously strongly...
763
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:03,419
that...
764
01:19:03,419 --> 01:19:07,412
there is indeed a hereafter...
765
01:19:07,456 --> 01:19:11,326
with which we must all reckon...
766
01:19:11,326 --> 01:19:15,319
in light of which we must
live our lives...
767
01:19:15,397 --> 01:19:19,390
and there is that inevitability
of the transformation of the spirit.
768
01:19:21,303 --> 01:19:23,138
As a consequence...
769
01:19:23,138 --> 01:19:27,131
l find all here-and-now philosophies
quite repellent--
770
01:19:27,709 --> 01:19:29,778
lax if you will.
771
01:19:29,778 --> 01:19:33,771
l realize however
that there's a great temptation...
772
01:19:34,616 --> 01:19:38,609
to formulate a comfortable theory
about eternal life...
773
01:19:40,122 --> 01:19:44,115
so as to reconcile oneself
to the inevitability of death.
774
01:19:44,193 --> 01:19:47,796
But l'd like to think
that's not what l'm doing.
775
01:19:47,796 --> 01:19:51,166
l don't believe l'm trying
to create for myself...
776
01:19:51,166 --> 01:19:55,159
a deliberate self-reassuring process.
777
01:19:55,604 --> 01:19:59,441
lt just seems intuitively right.
778
01:19:59,441 --> 01:20:03,434
l've never had to work very hard
of convincing myself of a hereafter.
779
01:20:05,347 --> 01:20:09,340
After all don't you think it seems
infinitely more plausible...
780
01:20:09,384 --> 01:20:13,377
than its opposite: oblivion?
781
01:20:21,363 --> 01:20:23,899
HelloJessie it's me.
782
01:20:23,899 --> 01:20:27,892
l wonder could indulge me for a moment?
l'm in a bit of a state.
783
01:20:29,271 --> 01:20:31,473
Well l was driving along...
784
01:20:31,473 --> 01:20:35,177
when l suddenly remembered
that story about Schoenberg.
785
01:20:35,177 --> 01:20:37,312
Schoenberg.
786
01:20:37,312 --> 01:20:40,916
Remember he was obsessed
with numerology numbers and so forth.
787
01:20:40,916 --> 01:20:44,186
So much so that when he turned 65...
788
01:20:44,186 --> 01:20:46,188
he was terrified
that he was going to die...
789
01:20:46,188 --> 01:20:49,158
because his age was divisible by 1 3.
790
01:20:49,158 --> 01:20:53,151
So he consulted an astrologer friend
who assured him that he would survive...
791
01:20:53,862 --> 01:20:57,366
until the next time
the numbers conspired against him.
792
01:20:57,366 --> 01:21:01,359
"Well great" he thought
"another 1 3 years.
793
01:21:02,804 --> 01:21:05,374
l'll be fine until l'm 7 8."
794
01:21:05,374 --> 01:21:08,877
Eleven years later however
when he was 7 6...
795
01:21:08,877 --> 01:21:11,747
the astrologer wrote back to warn him
that it's not only numbers...
796
01:21:11,747 --> 01:21:15,150
that are divisible by 1 3
that he ought to watch out for...
797
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:18,921
but also those whose digits
add up to 1 3.
798
01:21:18,921 --> 01:21:22,914
For example 7 6.
799
01:21:23,158 --> 01:21:27,151
Needless to say he was petrified
but not for long.
800
01:21:27,963 --> 01:21:30,399
Three months later he died...
801
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:34,392
July 13 1951 .
802
01:21:35,237 --> 01:21:37,606
l can't help it.
803
01:21:37,606 --> 01:21:40,576
l'm 49 tomorrow...
804
01:21:40,576 --> 01:21:44,569
and Schoenberg's
still talking to me.
805
01:21:46,848 --> 01:21:50,841
Jessie?
Jessie are you there?
806
01:21:53,855 --> 01:21:57,848
The week before he died
l remember it in great detail.
807
01:21:58,427 --> 01:22:00,295
And it's funny that--
808
01:22:00,295 --> 01:22:03,699
lt's peculiar that l do remember it
in such detail...
809
01:22:03,699 --> 01:22:07,692
because many of the times
our conversations were light...
810
01:22:08,537 --> 01:22:11,373
and just banter
between two good friends.
811
01:22:11,373 --> 01:22:14,676
But that week before Glenn died...
812
01:22:14,676 --> 01:22:17,446
everything was serious.
813
01:22:17,446 --> 01:22:20,582
He couldn't control the birthday...
814
01:22:20,582 --> 01:22:23,285
that was coming up--
the celebration.
815
01:22:23,285 --> 01:22:25,587
He couldn't--
He seemed to think...
816
01:22:25,587 --> 01:22:29,458
everything was slipping away
from his control...
817
01:22:29,458 --> 01:22:33,451
and he was obsessed with this feeling
that he wondered--
818
01:22:33,996 --> 01:22:37,989
would people recognize him
and come to a funeral...
819
01:22:38,734 --> 01:22:42,727
and we'd never talked about anything
like that before.
820
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:48,610
But he said that he wanted--
821
01:22:48,610 --> 01:22:51,580
He didn't-- He would like to be
like Huckleberry Finn...
822
01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:54,249
and come to his own funeral...
823
01:22:54,249 --> 01:22:58,242
because he didn't think
that there would be people who came.
824
01:22:58,620 --> 01:23:02,524
He didn't think that the world
loved him like they did...
825
01:23:02,524 --> 01:23:06,517
and he knew about how
the records were selling...
826
01:23:06,828 --> 01:23:09,898
he knew that they were very--
827
01:23:09,898 --> 01:23:13,869
thatJapanese people bought
a lot of them...
828
01:23:13,869 --> 01:23:17,862
that people in Central Europe...
829
01:23:18,373 --> 01:23:21,410
and in Asia
bought a lot of them...
830
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:24,846
but he just didn't think...
831
01:23:24,846 --> 01:23:27,749
that he was that important...
832
01:23:27,749 --> 01:23:31,742
and it never surfaced that
to me at least...
833
01:23:32,054 --> 01:23:36,047
that he felt his own...
834
01:23:37,993 --> 01:23:40,062
fame.
835
01:23:40,062 --> 01:23:44,055
His humility was beyond everything.
836
01:23:45,701 --> 01:23:49,694
And when l saw the people pour into...
837
01:23:51,073 --> 01:23:53,709
St. Paul's Cathedral...
838
01:23:53,709 --> 01:23:56,545
l couldn't help but believe
"Oh Glenn you were wrong...
839
01:23:56,545 --> 01:23:59,881
for probably the first time
in your life."
840
01:23:59,881 --> 01:24:03,874
You know 'cause he always liked
to think he never was wrong.
841
01:25:48,924 --> 01:25:52,060
HelloJessie? lt's me.
842
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:56,053
l was just out driving along
and guess what came on the radio.
843
01:25:56,998 --> 01:26:00,991
Here.
844
01:26:04,506 --> 01:26:06,641
Well?
845
01:26:06,641 --> 01:26:10,634
Yes sure it's one of
the French suites but which one?
846
01:26:15,951 --> 01:26:19,087
And there you have it--
Johann Sebastian Bach...
847
01:26:19,087 --> 01:26:21,122
the Saraband
from French Suite No. 1 ...
848
01:26:21,122 --> 01:26:25,115
performed with the unmistakable genius
of the young Glenn Gould.
849
01:26:26,061 --> 01:26:29,798
Tragically Mr. Gould passed away
this morning at the age of 50.
850
01:26:29,798 --> 01:26:33,791
He died in hospital in Toronto
after suffering a stroke last week.
851
01:26:34,135 --> 01:26:37,005
Since that time
he'd been on a life support system...
852
01:26:37,005 --> 01:26:40,998
and never regained consciousness.
853
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,546
ln the fall of 1 97 7...
854
01:27:51,546 --> 01:27:55,539
the U.S. government sent two ships
Voyagers l and ll into space...
855
01:27:57,085 --> 01:28:01,078
where they are eventually destined
to reach the edge of our galaxy.
856
01:28:01,957 --> 01:28:05,950
ln the hope that someone somewhere
would intercept these craft...
857
01:28:06,661 --> 01:28:09,764
a variety of messages
were placed on board...
858
01:28:09,764 --> 01:28:12,133
that would be capable of communicating
the existence...
859
01:28:12,133 --> 01:28:14,302
of an intelligent creature...
860
01:28:14,302 --> 01:28:18,273
living on a planet called Earth.
861
01:28:18,273 --> 01:28:22,266
Among these was included a short prelude
byJohann Sebastian Bach...
862
01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:28,172
as performed by Glenn Gould.
863
01:28:29,284 --> 01:28:33,277
Voyagers l and ll
left our solar system respectively...
864
01:28:33,588 --> 01:28:37,581
in 1987 and 1989.
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