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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:03:29,189 --> 00:03:32,259 My mother tells me that by five years old... 2 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:36,252 l had decided definitively to become a concert pianist. 3 00:03:37,697 --> 00:03:41,301 l think she had decided sometime earlier. 4 00:03:41,301 --> 00:03:44,504 The story goes that while l was in the womb... 5 00:03:44,504 --> 00:03:48,497 she played the piano continuously to give me a head start... 6 00:03:49,042 --> 00:03:52,679 and evidently it paid off. 7 00:03:52,679 --> 00:03:56,672 My mother was my first teacher and l've never doubted her methods. 8 00:03:57,083 --> 00:04:00,220 After all she introduced me to Bach. 9 00:04:00,220 --> 00:04:04,213 Oh good. Try another. 10 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,752 By the age of ten l had the first book of The Well-Tempered Clavier... 11 00:04:10,597 --> 00:04:12,732 pretty much under my belt. 12 00:04:12,732 --> 00:04:15,735 Good. Oh that's good. 13 00:04:15,735 --> 00:04:19,728 Very good. Let's try one up at this end here. 14 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,033 My childhood was full of music even at our cottage on Lake Simcoe. 15 00:04:25,011 --> 00:04:29,015 Those days seem particularly idyllic to me at least in retrospect. 16 00:04:29,015 --> 00:04:33,008 - Go ahead. - They were compared to my school days. 17 00:04:53,106 --> 00:04:56,977 Eight-seven times twenty-three is-- 18 00:04:56,977 --> 00:05:00,970 At an early age l could read music and memorize it on the spot. 19 00:05:01,314 --> 00:05:05,307 ln fact l could read music before l could read words. 20 00:05:05,852 --> 00:05:08,321 l remember l used to play a game with my mother... 21 00:05:08,321 --> 00:05:12,314 where l would identify the chords she played from the other side of the house. 22 00:05:14,094 --> 00:05:17,364 People always seem to make a great deal out of these early signs... 23 00:05:17,364 --> 00:05:21,357 but they hardly constitute miracles in my opinion. 24 00:05:22,335 --> 00:05:26,328 l simply have a facility with a certain kind of minutia. 25 00:05:27,107 --> 00:05:31,100 - l always have. - 87 times 26 equals 2262. 26 00:05:32,779 --> 00:05:34,881 Eighty-seven times-- 27 00:05:34,881 --> 00:05:38,874 Eighty-seven times 27 equals 2349. 28 00:05:39,886 --> 00:05:43,879 Eighty-seven times 28 equals 2436. 29 00:05:50,096 --> 00:05:53,767 l often think how fortunate l was... 30 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:56,770 to have been brought up in an environment... 31 00:05:56,770 --> 00:06:00,073 where music was always present. 32 00:06:00,073 --> 00:06:03,843 Who knows what would have become of me otherwise? 33 00:06:03,843 --> 00:06:07,836 lt's a question l often ask myself... 34 00:06:07,881 --> 00:06:11,874 but l've yet to come up with an answer. 35 00:08:15,108 --> 00:08:18,178 After all when we met for the first time in a hotel in Toronto... 36 00:08:18,178 --> 00:08:22,171 after having talked at length several times over the phone... 37 00:08:22,515 --> 00:08:25,084 or having written to make our first appointment-- 38 00:08:25,084 --> 00:08:28,822 l met him the temperature was ninety degrees it was very warm-- 39 00:08:28,822 --> 00:08:32,258 He was wearing a coat a hat scarves and gloves-- 40 00:08:32,258 --> 00:08:34,460 A seemingly extravagant getup... 41 00:08:34,460 --> 00:08:38,298 which in fact corresponded exactly to the protection he needed... 42 00:08:38,298 --> 00:08:42,291 against the outside world to protect himself from what finally killed him-- 43 00:08:43,236 --> 00:08:47,229 Problems of germs and blood pressure-- 44 00:08:47,807 --> 00:08:51,511 So let us say that the first vision... 45 00:08:51,511 --> 00:08:54,581 one would have of such a person was very surprising. 46 00:08:54,581 --> 00:08:58,574 You could not avoid being surprised at the sight of someone resembling a tramp. 47 00:08:59,185 --> 00:09:03,178 But he walked into the hotel room and stayed 1 8 hours straight. 48 00:09:07,126 --> 00:09:11,119 No outside worry food or anything... 49 00:09:11,231 --> 00:09:15,224 interrupted the rapport we were establishing. 50 00:09:15,268 --> 00:09:18,171 The other striking thing was his sense of humor... 51 00:09:18,171 --> 00:09:22,164 his extraordinary ability to have fun and offer ideas stimulating... 52 00:09:25,345 --> 00:09:29,215 both because of their depth and because they were fun. 53 00:09:29,215 --> 00:09:33,208 So this slightly bizarre manner which was the first thing you caught... 54 00:09:35,488 --> 00:09:39,481 and which lasted for that brief instant of the first meeting and then was over-- 55 00:09:41,327 --> 00:09:45,320 This disappeared very quickly to make way for the real man that he was... 56 00:09:48,668 --> 00:09:52,661 who was not trying to shock others. He was just trying to express himself. 57 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:07,643 Mr. Gould to begin let me ask straight out: Are there any off-limit areas? 58 00:10:10,323 --> 00:10:13,693 l certainly can't think of any apart from music of course. 59 00:10:13,693 --> 00:10:15,528 Well Mr. Gould l don't want to go back on my word. 60 00:10:15,528 --> 00:10:19,399 Your participation in this interview was never contractually confirmed... 61 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:23,392 but l assumed we'd spend the bulk of the interview on music-related matters. 62 00:10:24,337 --> 00:10:26,439 Do you think it's essential? 63 00:10:26,439 --> 00:10:29,275 l mean my own personal philosophy of interviewing-- 64 00:10:29,275 --> 00:10:32,145 and l've done quite a bit of it on the air as perhaps you know-- 65 00:10:32,145 --> 00:10:36,138 is that the most illuminating disclosures usually derive from areas... 66 00:10:36,182 --> 00:10:38,985 only indirectly related to the interviewee's line of work. 67 00:10:38,985 --> 00:10:42,978 - For example? - ln preparing radio documentaries... 68 00:10:43,022 --> 00:10:45,959 l've interviewed a theologian about technology... 69 00:10:45,959 --> 00:10:47,727 a surveyor about William James... 70 00:10:47,727 --> 00:10:50,697 and a housewife about acquisitiveness in the art market. 71 00:10:50,697 --> 00:10:53,700 But surely you've interviewed musicians about music. 72 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:57,693 Well yes l have on occasion but only to put them at ease with the mike. 73 00:10:58,104 --> 00:11:02,097 But it's been far more instructive to talk with Leopold Stokowski... 74 00:11:02,542 --> 00:11:06,379 about the prospect for interplanetary travel which is l'm sure you'll agree-- 75 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:10,372 Let me ask this: ls there a subject you'd particularly like to discuss? 76 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:14,220 What about native rights in Alaska? 77 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:18,191 Well l must confess l had a rather more conventional line of attack... 78 00:11:18,191 --> 00:11:20,526 so to speak in mind Mr. Gould. 79 00:11:20,526 --> 00:11:24,519 As l'm sure you're aware the virtually obligatory question about your career... 80 00:11:25,198 --> 00:11:29,168 is the controversy you created by giving up live concert performance at age 3 2... 81 00:11:29,168 --> 00:11:31,237 and choosing to communicate only through the media. 82 00:11:31,237 --> 00:11:33,373 l do feel we must at least touch on it. 83 00:11:33,373 --> 00:11:35,174 As far as l'm concerned it primarily... 84 00:11:35,174 --> 00:11:38,077 involves moral rather than musical considerations. 85 00:11:38,077 --> 00:11:39,712 ln any case be my guest. 86 00:11:39,712 --> 00:11:42,715 Now you've been quoted as saying that your involvement with recording-- 87 00:11:42,715 --> 00:11:45,585 with media in general indeed represents the future. 88 00:11:45,585 --> 00:11:48,721 - That's correct. - And conversely the concert stage... 89 00:11:48,721 --> 00:11:51,457 the opera house or whatever represent the past-- 90 00:11:51,457 --> 00:11:54,293 an aspect of your own past in particular perhaps... 91 00:11:54,293 --> 00:11:57,030 as well as in more general terms music's past. 92 00:11:57,030 --> 00:11:58,331 That's true. 93 00:11:58,331 --> 00:12:02,324 l hope you'll forgive me for saying that these ideas are only partly justified. 94 00:12:02,502 --> 00:12:05,405 Also l feel that you Mr. Gould have forgone... 95 00:12:05,405 --> 00:12:09,398 the privilege that is rightfully yours of communicating with an audience. 96 00:12:10,543 --> 00:12:12,145 From a power base? 97 00:12:12,145 --> 00:12:14,747 From a setting in which the naked fact of your humanity... 98 00:12:14,747 --> 00:12:17,617 is unedited and unadorned. 99 00:12:17,617 --> 00:12:21,587 Couldn't l at least be allowed to display the tuxedoed fallacy perhaps? 100 00:12:21,587 --> 00:12:24,490 Please Mr. Gould we shouldn't allow this conversation to degenerate. 101 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:27,760 l've tried to pose the question in all candor and-- 102 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,330 Well then l'll try and answer likewise. 103 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:35,234 To me the ideal audience-to-artist relationship... 104 00:12:35,234 --> 00:12:38,171 is a one-to-zero relationship. 105 00:12:38,171 --> 00:12:41,240 - That's the moral objection. - Run that by me again? 106 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,211 First l'm not at all happy with words like "public" and "artist"... 107 00:12:45,211 --> 00:12:49,148 or the hierarchical implications of that kind of terminology. 108 00:12:49,148 --> 00:12:51,651 The artist should be granted anonymity. 109 00:12:51,651 --> 00:12:54,187 He should be permitted to operate in secret as it were... 110 00:12:54,187 --> 00:12:58,180 unconcerned with or better still unaware of the marketplace's demands... 111 00:12:58,758 --> 00:13:02,728 which demands given enough indifference on the part of enough artists... 112 00:13:02,728 --> 00:13:04,497 will simply disappear. 113 00:13:04,497 --> 00:13:08,490 Given that disappearance the artist will then abandon his false sense... 114 00:13:08,801 --> 00:13:10,770 of public responsibility... 115 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:14,640 and his audience or "public" will relinquish its... 116 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,111 - role of servile dependency. - And never the twain shall meet. 117 00:13:18,111 --> 00:13:21,547 No they'll make contact but on a much more meaningful level. 118 00:13:21,547 --> 00:13:25,418 Well Mr. Gould l'm well aware that this sort of... 119 00:13:25,418 --> 00:13:28,654 idealistic role swapping has a certain rhetorical flourish. 120 00:13:28,654 --> 00:13:32,647 The creative audience concept of which you've spoken at length elsewhere... 121 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,294 has a kind of McLuhan-esque fascination. 122 00:13:35,294 --> 00:13:39,287 But you conveniently forget that the artist however hermetic his life... 123 00:13:40,299 --> 00:13:42,435 is still in effect an autocratic figure. 124 00:13:42,435 --> 00:13:45,271 He's still however benevolently a social dictator... 125 00:13:45,271 --> 00:13:48,741 and his public however generously enfranchised by electronic options... 126 00:13:48,741 --> 00:13:52,111 is still on the receiving end of the experience. 127 00:13:52,111 --> 00:13:56,104 All your neomedieval anonymity quest on behalf of the "artist-as-zero"... 128 00:13:56,549 --> 00:14:00,186 and all your vertical pan-culturalism on behalf of his "public" won't change it. 129 00:14:00,186 --> 00:14:01,420 May l speak now? 130 00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:04,323 Of course. Sorry to get carried away. But l do feel strongly about the-- 131 00:14:04,323 --> 00:14:08,127 - About the artist as Superman? - That's not quite fair Mr. Gould. 132 00:14:08,127 --> 00:14:12,120 Or about the interlocutor as controller of conversation perhaps? 133 00:14:12,198 --> 00:14:16,191 There's no need to be rude. 134 00:14:19,438 --> 00:14:21,741 What about this? 135 00:14:21,741 --> 00:14:25,734 lf you imagine that the artist-- 136 00:14:55,174 --> 00:14:58,678 Yes. That's right. 137 00:14:58,678 --> 00:15:00,446 Toronto. 138 00:15:00,446 --> 00:15:02,982 Toronto Canada? 139 00:15:02,982 --> 00:15:05,518 lt should read as follows: 140 00:15:05,518 --> 00:15:09,222 " Dear Walter. Stop. 141 00:15:09,222 --> 00:15:12,792 Under the weather yesterday. Stop. 142 00:15:12,792 --> 00:15:16,785 X-rays reveal chronic bronchitis-- 143 00:15:16,829 --> 00:15:20,822 Bronchitis in right lung. Stop. 144 00:15:21,701 --> 00:15:25,694 Feeling as foggy as it is outside. Stop. 145 00:15:30,676 --> 00:15:32,712 Stop. 146 00:15:32,712 --> 00:15:36,705 lt would suit you perfectly. Stop. 147 00:15:40,953 --> 00:15:44,946 Cannot and will not leave this room. Stop. End." 148 00:15:45,024 --> 00:15:47,226 Sir l am sorry to disturb but we have a-- 149 00:15:47,226 --> 00:15:48,894 - From New York? Yes. - Yes sir. 150 00:15:48,894 --> 00:15:52,887 At last. Excellent. Thank you. 151 00:15:55,234 --> 00:15:58,704 Yes that would be it indeed. Could you read that back to me please? 152 00:15:58,704 --> 00:16:02,697 Wait. Wait please stay. 153 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:11,373 "Concerts tomorrow and Monday cancelled" not "can't sell." 154 00:16:11,484 --> 00:16:15,477 That means something entirely different. 155 00:16:17,790 --> 00:16:21,783 Go ahead. 156 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:31,693 Yes. 157 00:16:32,305 --> 00:16:36,298 That's absolutely flawless. Could you send it off immediately please? 158 00:16:36,575 --> 00:16:40,568 Room 31 8. 159 00:16:43,316 --> 00:16:47,309 Thank you. 160 00:19:38,858 --> 00:19:42,061 Salzburg to Stockholm Berlin... 161 00:19:42,061 --> 00:19:45,731 Wiesbaden Florence Tel AvivJerusalem... 162 00:19:45,731 --> 00:19:49,724 and on the whole tour l'd say there were maybe six good hotel rooms... 163 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:55,563 five comfortable beds and at least three adequate pianos. 164 00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:01,780 Some of these pianos were so hopelessly unwieldy... 165 00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:04,116 l decided it was best just to ignore them. 166 00:20:04,116 --> 00:20:08,109 lt required a kind of mystical transcendence to get me through. 167 00:20:10,122 --> 00:20:13,726 l have no idea what the audience resorted to. 168 00:20:13,726 --> 00:20:16,662 l'm not one of those piano freaks you know. Of course... 169 00:20:16,662 --> 00:20:20,499 l know there are people who would gladly sit in the most uncomfortable chair... 170 00:20:20,499 --> 00:20:22,735 with 3000 other people in uncomfortable chairs... 171 00:20:22,735 --> 00:20:24,270 and listen to hours and hours of the stuff... 172 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:27,072 but it's nothing l would ever subject myself to. 173 00:20:27,072 --> 00:20:31,065 l just don't like the sound of piano music that much. 174 00:23:50,309 --> 00:23:54,302 Five minutes Mr. Gould. 175 00:24:10,329 --> 00:24:13,932 Yeah. Tell them to close the doors now. 176 00:24:13,932 --> 00:24:17,925 Yeah l think he's ready now. l told you go ahead. Here he comes. 177 00:24:19,004 --> 00:24:22,997 This way Mr. Gould. 178 00:24:30,315 --> 00:24:32,951 l didn't want to bother you now but l'm not gonna be here after the show. 179 00:24:32,951 --> 00:24:34,453 - Fine. - Gary's gonna be here-- 180 00:24:34,453 --> 00:24:36,955 the guy with the short you know-- he's gonna pick you up. 181 00:24:36,955 --> 00:24:40,292 And there is a reception after. l know it's gonna be squaresville man... 182 00:24:40,292 --> 00:24:44,285 but you'd make some gray-haired ladies happy if you waltz through it one time. 183 00:24:45,964 --> 00:24:49,957 l did wanna show you a schedule for tomorrow. No don't bother with it now. 184 00:24:50,469 --> 00:24:53,539 Don't think about it. But later if you wanna change anything-- 185 00:24:53,539 --> 00:24:55,440 - l'm sure it's fine. -you wanna see more of L.A.-- 186 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,243 l'm gonna leave it on your dresser. 187 00:24:58,243 --> 00:25:01,547 l think we should take the stairs. 188 00:25:01,547 --> 00:25:05,540 Maybe we should. 189 00:25:06,351 --> 00:25:10,344 Don't even think about it now. 190 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,508 - lt's a long way. - lt certainly is. 191 00:25:29,508 --> 00:25:33,501 lf it weren't for you l'd have been dropping bread crumbs along the way. 192 00:25:54,032 --> 00:25:58,025 - Mr. Gould? - Of course. 193 00:25:59,872 --> 00:26:03,865 - My wife has all of your records. - Well... 194 00:26:05,077 --> 00:26:09,070 tell your wife that she has exceptional taste. 195 00:26:09,114 --> 00:26:12,084 Also she's very lucky. 196 00:26:12,084 --> 00:26:14,586 l'm never going to sign one of these again. 197 00:26:14,586 --> 00:26:16,655 How long have you worked for this theater? 198 00:26:16,655 --> 00:26:19,958 lt's been almost 30 years. 199 00:26:19,958 --> 00:26:23,629 Thirty years? You must be near retirement? lf you don't mind my asking. 200 00:26:23,629 --> 00:26:26,965 - No. At the end of the season. - What will you do after that? 201 00:26:26,965 --> 00:26:30,969 - Well l have my garden. - Yes? 202 00:26:30,969 --> 00:26:33,038 l'm going to build an arboretum. 203 00:26:33,038 --> 00:26:37,031 - You know what that is? - Yes l think so. 204 00:26:44,182 --> 00:26:46,385 My best to your wife and garden. 205 00:26:46,385 --> 00:26:50,378 Thank you. 206 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,003 What did he say? What did he write? 207 00:27:05,003 --> 00:27:08,996 "April 1 0 1 964. Best of luck on your new career. Glenn Gould-- 208 00:27:10,542 --> 00:27:14,535 The Final Concert." 209 00:31:00,438 --> 00:31:04,431 l think that like all people who try to justify their stand... 210 00:31:05,844 --> 00:31:08,613 do what they want to do anyway... 211 00:31:08,613 --> 00:31:12,606 yet still want to justify it in a universal manner-- 212 00:31:13,685 --> 00:31:16,555 He too fell in this trap... 213 00:31:16,555 --> 00:31:20,548 of somewhat exaggerating the morality of his decision. 214 00:31:21,493 --> 00:31:25,486 Of course in a way he was right. 215 00:31:27,299 --> 00:31:31,292 ln an audience some hear better than others some see better than others. 216 00:31:32,971 --> 00:31:36,964 Sometimes in large churches people are seated behind pillars and can't see. 217 00:31:40,879 --> 00:31:44,872 Acoustics can be exaggerated. You hear too much or too little... 218 00:31:48,253 --> 00:31:52,246 the volume is too high or the reverberation hurts the ears. 219 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,352 He is right. lt's not always ideal. 220 00:31:58,630 --> 00:32:02,623 But it's part of life. For me it exists as a live element. 221 00:32:05,003 --> 00:32:08,996 Personally l find Glen Gould's life too... too artificial. 222 00:32:13,345 --> 00:32:17,338 But as l said it's because l am not in his league as a creator. 223 00:32:20,785 --> 00:32:24,778 l cannot make a life for myself on my own excluding everybody else... 224 00:32:30,562 --> 00:32:34,555 and concentrating only on this intellectual exercise. 225 00:32:36,968 --> 00:32:40,961 And the physical-- Trying to avoid drafts protected by a scarf... 226 00:32:44,476 --> 00:32:48,469 not tolerating someone touching my shoulder... 227 00:32:50,649 --> 00:32:54,642 And at the same time he loved going to fishing villages... 228 00:32:56,488 --> 00:33:00,481 over the great-- 229 00:33:02,827 --> 00:33:06,820 The great distances that Canada offers. He liked that. 230 00:33:06,965 --> 00:33:10,802 He liked nature. He liked natural men. 231 00:33:10,802 --> 00:33:14,795 He liked the fisherman much more than a New York audience. 232 00:33:39,097 --> 00:33:41,366 Ready? 233 00:33:41,366 --> 00:33:43,802 Glenn we're ready for playback. 234 00:33:43,802 --> 00:33:47,795 l'm gonna give it to you without EQ-ing okay? 235 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,832 And all the levels are flat. 236 00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:57,315 Ready in three two... 237 00:33:57,315 --> 00:33:58,683 one. 238 00:33:58,683 --> 00:34:02,676 - Coffee? - Yes. Yes. 239 00:34:55,907 --> 00:34:58,543 l really shouldn't be giving this to you you know. 240 00:34:58,543 --> 00:35:00,478 lt's not very good for you. 241 00:35:00,478 --> 00:35:02,714 You mean coffee in general or your coffee? 242 00:35:02,714 --> 00:35:06,050 No coffee and cream as a combination-- it's very bad for you. 243 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:10,043 - lt's dangerous. - Where did you get this? 244 00:35:16,394 --> 00:35:20,387 lt just sits in your stomach like-- like asphalt. l read it in a magazine. 245 00:35:20,432 --> 00:35:24,425 The coffee from that machine is gonna kill me anyway so a little cream-- 246 00:35:30,909 --> 00:35:32,944 Yeah you're one to talk. l mean look at you. 247 00:35:32,944 --> 00:35:35,213 You're falling apart there. Now he could use some coffee. 248 00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:38,049 Sugar on the other hand is actually a very good combination. 249 00:35:38,049 --> 00:35:42,042 lt actually helps the coffee do what it's supposed to do. So-- 250 00:35:56,201 --> 00:35:59,771 The ltalian Concerto. 251 00:35:59,771 --> 00:36:02,540 You know this is really good. 252 00:36:02,540 --> 00:36:06,533 l really think we have something here. 253 00:36:17,021 --> 00:36:19,491 How was that? 254 00:36:19,491 --> 00:36:23,484 l think there's something in that. Let's hear it again. 255 00:40:30,975 --> 00:40:34,979 l became Glenn Gould's chambermaid because the other chambermaids... 256 00:40:34,979 --> 00:40:38,972 who were mostly middle-aged ltalian and Jamaican women were terrified of him. 257 00:40:39,784 --> 00:40:43,777 They thought he was strange-- probably some sort of sexual deviant. 258 00:40:44,222 --> 00:40:46,891 They just found him peculiar because he was very eccentric. 259 00:40:46,891 --> 00:40:50,884 When we were in Moscow in 1 957 we stayed at the Canadian embassy... 260 00:40:51,162 --> 00:40:54,532 and after the first concert... 261 00:40:54,532 --> 00:40:58,525 we went back into our limousine which had been loaned to us by the embassy. 262 00:40:59,203 --> 00:41:03,196 At the end of the concert Glenn had received a huge number of flowers... 263 00:41:04,442 --> 00:41:08,312 and big pots of mums and other flowers... 264 00:41:08,312 --> 00:41:12,305 and as we got into the limousine and sat down... 265 00:41:12,817 --> 00:41:16,810 all the flowers had been piled up there and we had barely room to sit. 266 00:41:17,088 --> 00:41:20,158 Glenn said to me "You know Walter... 267 00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:24,151 it feels like we are driving to our own funeral at this point." 268 00:41:25,029 --> 00:41:26,831 This was his passion. 269 00:41:26,831 --> 00:41:28,900 He really really wanted to start-- 270 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,836 you know retire away to Manitoulin lsland... 271 00:41:31,836 --> 00:41:35,829 to buy a big hunk of it and bring every unwanted animal in the world there. 272 00:41:36,007 --> 00:41:39,143 There were numerous boxes-- 273 00:41:39,143 --> 00:41:43,136 l think one time l counted a dozen boxes of arrowroot cookies... 274 00:41:43,781 --> 00:41:46,317 sort of scattered about the room. 275 00:41:46,317 --> 00:41:49,520 There were also numerous bottles of ketchup. 276 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,513 lt was a very penetrating interview-- 277 00:41:53,825 --> 00:41:57,128 the most intelligent questions l think l'd ever heard about the North... 278 00:41:57,128 --> 00:41:59,197 from experts laymen or anything else-- 279 00:41:59,197 --> 00:42:03,167 questions that required rather long answers. 280 00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:05,503 As l would start to speak or make a point... 281 00:42:05,503 --> 00:42:09,496 he would register his feelings not by voice but by a smile... 282 00:42:09,841 --> 00:42:13,834 but all the time he was using his hands and conducting. 283 00:42:14,579 --> 00:42:18,572 This might be slightly off-putting when you're trying to think deep thoughts... 284 00:42:19,984 --> 00:42:22,887 because l had no idea what this was all about... 285 00:42:22,887 --> 00:42:26,324 but he continuously was just waving his arms... 286 00:42:26,324 --> 00:42:30,317 and would sort of bring up this idea and so on. 287 00:42:30,561 --> 00:42:33,097 l was his orchestra for that hour. 288 00:42:33,097 --> 00:42:35,933 So he decided to wear this business suit... 289 00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:38,469 and l discussed it with him and l said "You know Glenn... 290 00:42:38,469 --> 00:42:42,306 l'm not sure the public will understand what you're trying to convey... 291 00:42:42,306 --> 00:42:46,010 but if you want to do it go ahead" which he did. 292 00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:49,881 And he was probably the first artist who went out on stage... 293 00:42:49,881 --> 00:42:53,251 without what was considered then the proper concert attire. 294 00:42:53,251 --> 00:42:56,220 But he again was in the forefront of change. 295 00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,191 He used to wake up at about 4:00 in the afternoon... 296 00:43:00,191 --> 00:43:03,628 and to get himself awake he used to phone people... 297 00:43:03,628 --> 00:43:07,621 and l was one of those people he phoned. 298 00:43:10,034 --> 00:43:12,536 He'd talk about anything you know. 299 00:43:12,536 --> 00:43:14,438 He just wanted a listening board. 300 00:43:14,438 --> 00:43:18,431 One night he called and he was babbling on... 301 00:43:19,277 --> 00:43:23,180 and it was probably 1 :00 in the morning something like that... 302 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:27,173 and he-- and l fell asleep. 303 00:43:27,451 --> 00:43:29,987 As a matter of fact before l fell asleep... 304 00:43:29,987 --> 00:43:33,424 l had stretched out on the rug and l had the phone there... 305 00:43:33,424 --> 00:43:37,417 'cause l'd been sitting in the chair and got tired so l stretched out. 306 00:43:38,229 --> 00:43:42,222 He was talking talking talking and l wasn't talking at all. 307 00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:45,169 and l fell asleep. 308 00:43:45,169 --> 00:43:48,539 The next thing l knew my son had walked into the room... 309 00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:52,009 and he was kicking me on the soles of my feet. 310 00:43:52,009 --> 00:43:56,002 He said "Wake up. There's somebody on the phone." 311 00:43:56,247 --> 00:43:59,483 lt was Glenn and he was talking away. 312 00:43:59,483 --> 00:44:03,476 l don't know how long l had been sleeping... 313 00:44:04,221 --> 00:44:08,214 but l didn't even remember the sequence he was just-- 314 00:44:10,027 --> 00:44:13,397 The words were just pouring out. 315 00:44:13,397 --> 00:44:17,390 The phone rang and as l picked it up it was Glenn Gould on the other end. 316 00:44:17,568 --> 00:44:21,505 He said " Hi this is Glenn Gould and l feel like talking." 317 00:44:21,505 --> 00:44:25,498 " Mario" he said "l came across the most marvelous opera for your program." 318 00:44:27,411 --> 00:44:30,247 l said "What is it?" He said "You know Ernst Krenck?" 319 00:44:30,247 --> 00:44:32,116 l said "Yes certainly." He said... 320 00:44:32,116 --> 00:44:35,086 "l've got this marvelous opera by him." 321 00:44:35,086 --> 00:44:38,155 He said "Wait l've got the score here. l'll sing it to you." 322 00:44:38,155 --> 00:44:41,726 So he sang this entire one-act opera-- 323 00:44:41,726 --> 00:44:44,462 one-act two-scene opera-- over the telephone... 324 00:44:44,462 --> 00:44:48,065 in his not-very-pleasant voice. 325 00:44:48,065 --> 00:44:52,058 He was very much involved with himself. 326 00:44:52,737 --> 00:44:56,730 You know he didn't think of what others had to-- 327 00:44:57,375 --> 00:45:01,078 what others had to do or their responsibilities. 328 00:45:01,078 --> 00:45:04,115 You know he was consumed with-- 329 00:45:04,115 --> 00:45:07,218 with what he was doing and his own things. 330 00:45:07,218 --> 00:45:10,988 His will was that he left... 331 00:45:10,988 --> 00:45:14,981 half of estate to the SPCA-- 332 00:45:15,126 --> 00:45:18,596 Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals-- 333 00:45:18,596 --> 00:45:21,265 and the other half to the Salvation Army. 334 00:45:21,265 --> 00:45:25,258 Yes! Getting 31 8 back from Ottawa... 335 00:45:26,103 --> 00:45:28,372 to tune for the conservatory... 336 00:45:28,372 --> 00:45:30,808 when l was phoned up about it... 337 00:45:30,808 --> 00:45:34,311 l thought "Should l do this?" 338 00:45:34,311 --> 00:45:37,081 l thought " No l'm going to do it just for old-times' sake." 339 00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:41,074 And when l got working on 31 8 again and cleaned it up... 340 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,455 and tuned it and worked on the action a bit... 341 00:45:44,455 --> 00:45:46,724 it felt good. 342 00:45:46,724 --> 00:45:50,394 So l guess l miss him. 343 00:45:50,394 --> 00:45:54,387 l miss his intelligent comments... 344 00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:58,792 and l miss listening to his 20 questions... 345 00:46:00,337 --> 00:46:03,340 not particularly to me but-- 346 00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,610 He was-- l'll tell you one thing. 347 00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:09,413 Today l had a customer phone me up and say... 348 00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:12,616 "Can you come tomorrow to tune my piano?" 349 00:46:12,616 --> 00:46:16,609 Glenn Gould used to give me two or three months notice... 350 00:46:17,421 --> 00:46:19,723 and l respected that... 351 00:46:19,723 --> 00:46:23,716 and l'm very thankful for knowing him. 352 00:47:33,764 --> 00:47:36,800 Hello Mr. Gould. Do you want the usual? 353 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,793 Yes if you'd be so kind. 354 00:47:51,882 --> 00:47:55,875 Yeah l agree. For instance one time up by the reptile house-- 355 00:47:57,154 --> 00:47:59,790 you know where that is up near Parry Sound-- 356 00:47:59,790 --> 00:48:03,460 l see this hippie-yippie type thumbin' a ride. 357 00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:06,463 Long hair out to here. 358 00:48:06,463 --> 00:48:08,799 l figured l'd pick him up anyway-- 359 00:48:08,799 --> 00:48:11,902 keep me entertained for a while 'cause l'm goin' all night. 360 00:48:11,902 --> 00:48:13,804 Keep me awake. 361 00:48:13,804 --> 00:48:17,797 Only when l pick him up it turns out it wasn't a hippie at all-- 362 00:48:18,876 --> 00:48:21,879 lt was a girl-- a young girl... 363 00:48:21,879 --> 00:48:24,315 and l mean pretty like you never seen. 364 00:48:24,315 --> 00:48:28,308 So l says to her "What the hell you doin' out here all by yourself eh?" 365 00:48:28,852 --> 00:48:32,845 And a hundred miles down the road l got her whole life story. 366 00:48:33,991 --> 00:48:37,194 Seems like she had a fight with her boyfriend. 367 00:48:37,194 --> 00:48:40,698 They broke up. Then she had a fight with her parents... 368 00:48:40,698 --> 00:48:44,668 - and decided to run away from home-- -Janet? 369 00:48:44,668 --> 00:48:47,271 generation gap or whatever the hell it was. 370 00:48:47,271 --> 00:48:50,307 Sit down. lt's not the right time but l need to talk to you. 371 00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:53,844 A hundred miles later she's curled up next to me... 372 00:48:53,844 --> 00:48:57,837 They are going to change my route. l won't be coming this way anymore. 373 00:48:59,216 --> 00:49:02,319 l looked down at this sweet little 1 6-year-old thing... 374 00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:05,656 The same route for three years. The change isn't so bad. 375 00:49:05,656 --> 00:49:08,692 l turned my rig around and l took her straight home-- 376 00:49:08,692 --> 00:49:12,685 Do you know how many times l've come here? l've counted: 1 56. 377 00:49:12,896 --> 00:49:14,932 You should have seen the look on her parents' face. 378 00:49:14,932 --> 00:49:18,469 - Fifty bucks pal. - They screwed us man. 379 00:49:18,469 --> 00:49:22,273 Damn lmlach. We would have been better off with Clancy. 380 00:49:22,273 --> 00:49:26,043 Ohlman Anderson Ellis-- who needs 'em? 381 00:49:26,043 --> 00:49:28,812 - lf we still had Maholovich-- - Yeah but you don't. 382 00:49:28,812 --> 00:49:32,549 - You see there's a code l live by. - Because it's over. l gotta go now. 383 00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:36,542 - Montreal's gonna take it. Wanna bet? - A strict ethical code. l believe it. 384 00:49:38,422 --> 00:49:41,025 - So come on-- rack 'em up. - You rack 'em up. 385 00:49:41,025 --> 00:49:43,961 - l practice it. - Okay ten bucks. 386 00:49:43,961 --> 00:49:47,765 l never regret it not a minute-- never. 387 00:49:47,765 --> 00:49:51,758 No sir. 388 00:50:08,585 --> 00:50:10,621 Okay Glenn l'm ready to start. 389 00:50:10,621 --> 00:50:14,525 Yeah l'll give you the whole thing from the top and when we get-- 390 00:50:14,525 --> 00:50:17,695 l'll just hit the "record"button and you can start. 391 00:50:17,695 --> 00:50:19,963 Are you all set? Here we go. 392 00:50:19,963 --> 00:50:22,533 Stand by. 393 00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,501 Ready? Here we go. 394 00:50:24,501 --> 00:50:27,571 Three two-- 395 00:50:27,571 --> 00:50:31,308 l was fascinated by the country as such. l flew north from Churchill... 396 00:50:31,308 --> 00:50:35,301 to Coral Harbour on Southampton lsland at the end of September. 397 00:50:35,379 --> 00:50:39,116 Snow had begun to fall and the country was freshly covered by it. 398 00:50:39,116 --> 00:50:41,785 Some of the lakes were frozen around the edges... 399 00:50:41,785 --> 00:50:45,778 but toward the center of the lake you could still see the clear clear water. 400 00:50:47,324 --> 00:50:49,927 Flying over this country you could look down and see... 401 00:50:49,927 --> 00:50:53,864 various shades of green in the water and you could see the lake bottoms... 402 00:50:53,864 --> 00:50:57,368 and it was a most fascinating experience. 403 00:50:57,368 --> 00:51:00,437 l remember l was up in the cockpit with the pilot... 404 00:51:00,437 --> 00:51:03,540 and l was forever looking out left and right... 405 00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,076 and l could see ice floes over Hudson Bay... 406 00:51:06,076 --> 00:51:10,069 and l was always looking for polar bears or seals to spot. 407 00:51:10,714 --> 00:51:13,951 but unfortunately there were none. 408 00:51:13,951 --> 00:51:17,087 And as we flew along the east coast of Hudson Bay-- 409 00:51:17,087 --> 00:51:19,690 - this flat country frightened me... - l don't know. Let me say this again. 410 00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:23,683 - l don't go for this northmanship. - because it just seemed endless. 411 00:51:24,561 --> 00:51:27,364 We just seemed going into nowhere. 412 00:51:27,364 --> 00:51:30,601 And the further north we went the more monotonous. 413 00:51:30,601 --> 00:51:33,537 But l see it as a kind of a game-- this northmanship thing. 414 00:51:33,537 --> 00:51:37,007 People say "Well were you ever up at the North Pole?" 415 00:51:37,007 --> 00:51:40,811 l say "l did a dogsled trip of 22 days"... 416 00:51:40,811 --> 00:51:44,548 and the other fellow says "Well l did one of 30 days. " 417 00:51:44,548 --> 00:51:48,152 Perhaps they would see themselves-- 418 00:51:48,152 --> 00:51:50,687 Sure the North's changed my life. l can't conceive... 419 00:51:50,687 --> 00:51:53,724 of anyone being in close touch with the North... 420 00:51:53,724 --> 00:51:57,394 whether he lived there all the time or simply travelled it... 421 00:51:57,394 --> 00:51:59,096 month after month year after-- 422 00:51:59,096 --> 00:52:03,089 l can't conceive of such a person being really untouched by the North. 423 00:52:04,735 --> 00:52:07,905 When l left in 1 965-- at least left the job-- 424 00:52:07,905 --> 00:52:11,898 lt was not like there was some special merit some virtue... 425 00:52:12,709 --> 00:52:15,946 to being in the North or some special virtue... 426 00:52:15,946 --> 00:52:18,582 in having been with the primitive people. 427 00:52:18,582 --> 00:52:21,552 You know what special virtue is there in that? 428 00:52:21,552 --> 00:52:24,688 lt is most diffiicult to describe. 429 00:52:24,688 --> 00:52:28,525 lt was extreme observation. This is very true. 430 00:52:28,525 --> 00:52:32,518 l knew very well l could not go anywhere except for a mile or two walking. 431 00:52:34,965 --> 00:52:38,958 l always think of the long summer nights when the snow had melted... 432 00:52:39,169 --> 00:52:43,162 the lakes were open and the geese and ducks had started to fly home. 433 00:52:45,642 --> 00:52:47,911 During that time the sun would set... 434 00:52:47,911 --> 00:52:51,582 and when there was still the last shimmer in the sky... 435 00:52:51,582 --> 00:52:54,618 l would walk out to one of those lakes... 436 00:52:54,618 --> 00:52:58,255 and watch those ducks and geese just fly around peacefully... 437 00:52:58,255 --> 00:53:01,658 or sitting on the water... 438 00:53:01,658 --> 00:53:05,496 and l felt that l was almost part of that country-- 439 00:53:05,496 --> 00:53:09,489 part of that peaceful surrounding-- and l wished that it would never end. 440 00:53:17,207 --> 00:53:21,200 This is Glenn Gould and this program is called "The ldea of North." 441 00:53:35,259 --> 00:53:39,252 Let's talk about the radio documentaries you made for the CBC. 442 00:53:40,531 --> 00:53:44,167 Two of your programs "The ldea of North" and "The Latecomers"... 443 00:53:44,167 --> 00:53:46,937 are both about the idea of solitude... 444 00:53:46,937 --> 00:53:50,207 as it affects people living in Northern Canada. 445 00:53:50,207 --> 00:53:54,200 ln fact all of those programs deal to some degree with solitude. 446 00:53:55,012 --> 00:53:59,005 l've made five programs that have taken 300 or 400 hours of studio time. 447 00:54:00,083 --> 00:54:02,819 Number one was as you mentioned "The ldea of North." 448 00:54:02,819 --> 00:54:05,222 Two was " Latecomers." Three was "Stokowski." 449 00:54:05,222 --> 00:54:07,691 Four is one we're just mixing now on Casals-- 450 00:54:07,691 --> 00:54:09,927 "Casals: A Portrait for Radio." 451 00:54:09,927 --> 00:54:13,920 l'm doing one next year on Schoenberg and there's one that's lain around... 452 00:54:14,598 --> 00:54:16,233 for a year and a half. 453 00:54:16,233 --> 00:54:18,869 lt's a program about the Mennonites called "Quiet in the Land"... 454 00:54:18,869 --> 00:54:22,239 and that's the ultimate in community isolation. 455 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,676 So next l want to do a comedy about an isolated man... 456 00:54:25,676 --> 00:54:29,046 because l'm sick and tired of all these profound statements. 457 00:54:29,046 --> 00:54:32,015 Well radio itself is a solitary experience. 458 00:54:32,015 --> 00:54:34,151 Why does it interest you as a medium? 459 00:54:34,151 --> 00:54:37,154 l'd like to deal with this as sensibly as l can. 460 00:54:37,154 --> 00:54:40,023 lt's a big question. lt's an important question. 461 00:54:40,023 --> 00:54:42,259 l don't know what the effective ratio would be... 462 00:54:42,259 --> 00:54:44,661 but l've always had a sort of intuition... 463 00:54:44,661 --> 00:54:48,654 that for every hour you spend with other human beings... 464 00:54:49,066 --> 00:54:52,269 you need X number of hours alone. 465 00:54:52,269 --> 00:54:55,839 Now what that X represents l don't really know-- 466 00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:59,042 whether it be two and seven-eighths or seven and two-eighths-- 467 00:54:59,042 --> 00:55:01,345 but it's a substantial ratio. 468 00:55:01,345 --> 00:55:05,338 Radio is something that's been very close to me since l was a child... 469 00:55:05,649 --> 00:55:07,351 something l listen to virtually nonstop. 470 00:55:07,351 --> 00:55:10,287 l mean it's wallpaper for me. 471 00:55:10,287 --> 00:55:12,990 l sleep with the radio on in fact. 472 00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:15,592 Now l'm incapable of sleeping without the radio on... 473 00:55:15,592 --> 00:55:17,661 ever since l gave up Nembutal. 474 00:55:17,661 --> 00:55:20,597 Does it affect your dreams? 475 00:55:20,597 --> 00:55:24,590 Sure insofar as if there are broadcasts on the hour... 476 00:55:24,635 --> 00:55:27,270 l will pick up the bulletins and dream them... 477 00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:30,641 and in the morning if there's a boat that's just gone down... 478 00:55:30,641 --> 00:55:34,634 l'll think "Gee that was on odd dream about the Titanic l had last night." 479 00:55:36,213 --> 00:55:38,615 And l will have of course gone through it. 480 00:55:38,615 --> 00:55:41,852 Maybe your feelings about solitude come from your Nordic temperament. 481 00:55:41,852 --> 00:55:45,845 l think that's certainly part of it. lt's always been an ambition of mine... 482 00:55:45,956 --> 00:55:48,125 which l'll probably never get around to realizing... 483 00:55:48,125 --> 00:55:52,118 to spend at least one winter north of the Arctic Circle. 484 00:55:52,229 --> 00:55:54,197 Anyone can go there in the summer when the sun is up... 485 00:55:54,197 --> 00:55:57,434 but l want to go there when the sun is down l really do... 486 00:55:57,434 --> 00:56:00,937 and so help me l'm going to do it one of these times. 487 00:56:00,937 --> 00:56:03,173 l've been saying this for five or six years now... 488 00:56:03,173 --> 00:56:06,643 and every year the schedule gets in the way. 489 00:56:06,643 --> 00:56:10,636 Well l hope you do. Thank you very much Mr. Gould. 490 00:56:25,195 --> 00:56:28,065 Mr. Gould thank you for the interview yesterday. 491 00:56:28,065 --> 00:56:31,902 l would just like some further clarification if l may. 492 00:56:31,902 --> 00:56:35,895 That's good. Where am l? 493 00:56:35,939 --> 00:56:38,075 Okay here we are. 494 00:56:38,075 --> 00:56:41,011 Now if it's really true that you attach little importance... 495 00:56:41,011 --> 00:56:43,246 to the actual technique of playing the piano... 496 00:56:43,246 --> 00:56:47,150 how is it that you have managed to attain such a level of skill at it? 497 00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:49,152 Well that is to say don't you think it's depressing... 498 00:56:49,152 --> 00:56:53,145 for all the young pianists of the world to know this? 499 00:56:58,361 --> 00:57:00,997 l really want to thank you from the bottom of my heart... 500 00:57:00,997 --> 00:57:04,990 for arranging for me to have this chance to interview you finally. 501 00:57:06,169 --> 00:57:08,171 And before we begin the interview... 502 00:57:08,171 --> 00:57:10,841 l also want to give you a great big thank you... 503 00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:12,976 on behalf of all of our readers. 504 00:57:12,976 --> 00:57:14,845 These are tough questions. They're gonna come up. 505 00:57:14,845 --> 00:57:18,448 People are gonna watch the play. They're gonna ask me. 506 00:57:18,448 --> 00:57:21,985 Glenn Gould is apparently incredibly interested in technology... 507 00:57:21,985 --> 00:57:24,454 but really wasn't technology just a reason... 508 00:57:24,454 --> 00:57:26,389 or a way for him to keep the world at arm's length? 509 00:57:26,389 --> 00:57:27,824 lt's just a big smoke screen isn't it? 510 00:57:27,824 --> 00:57:30,393 Let me ask you this: 511 00:57:30,393 --> 00:57:34,386 What is Glenn Gould really like when he's not in the studio? 512 00:57:34,798 --> 00:57:38,791 l mean what do you like to do when you're outside of a recording booth? 513 00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:43,306 What kind of lifestyle do you lead? 514 00:57:43,306 --> 00:57:47,277 Mr. Gould you are a perfectionist when it comes to recording. 515 00:57:47,277 --> 00:57:50,914 So why is it when you are recording you place little importance... 516 00:57:50,914 --> 00:57:54,484 on whether you have a piano with noisy works or a chair that squeaks? 517 00:57:54,484 --> 00:57:58,455 Why when you seem obsessed with this idea of musical perfection... 518 00:57:58,455 --> 00:58:02,359 do you hum as you play? 519 00:58:02,359 --> 00:58:06,352 Well-- 520 00:58:09,566 --> 00:58:11,201 l forgot the question. 521 00:58:11,201 --> 00:58:15,194 l mean what aspect of your life... 522 00:58:16,173 --> 00:58:18,275 has nothing to do... 523 00:58:18,275 --> 00:58:21,478 with-- with-with... 524 00:58:21,478 --> 00:58:24,548 anything that has to do with... 525 00:58:24,548 --> 00:58:28,451 classical musical music? 526 00:58:28,451 --> 00:58:31,888 Years ago you said that you were gonna leave public performance... 527 00:58:31,888 --> 00:58:34,291 because you wanted to compose... 528 00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,293 and we've waited and the years have passed... 529 00:58:36,293 --> 00:58:38,895 and there's no body of work-- l mean musically speaking-- 530 00:58:38,895 --> 00:58:42,888 and people are waiting. 531 00:58:44,568 --> 00:58:48,104 How do you feel about all that? 532 00:58:48,104 --> 00:58:50,140 Would you teach me piano? 533 00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:52,843 What about children? l mean have you thought about that? 534 00:58:52,843 --> 00:58:54,911 What do you look for in a woman? 535 00:58:54,911 --> 00:58:58,014 Or maybe l should just say what are you waiting for? 536 00:58:58,014 --> 00:59:01,151 One more question if l may out of curiosity. 537 00:59:01,151 --> 00:59:04,421 Why do you insist on conducting interviews by phone? 538 00:59:04,421 --> 00:59:07,891 Mr. Gould you stated that in our culture there are economic... 539 00:59:07,891 --> 00:59:10,927 and social forces at play which have already rendered... 540 00:59:10,927 --> 00:59:13,430 concert halls obsolete. Furthermore you expected... 541 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:15,498 these halls to disappear by the year 2000. 542 00:59:15,498 --> 00:59:18,568 ln which way does this statement allow you to look anew... 543 00:59:18,568 --> 00:59:20,837 upon the mechanics and the economy of the music market... 544 00:59:20,837 --> 00:59:24,830 and on the subservience of the artist to this system? 545 00:59:27,043 --> 00:59:29,412 Well um-- 546 00:59:29,412 --> 00:59:30,914 Obsolete. 547 00:59:30,914 --> 00:59:34,317 l know. You left the concert platform. 548 00:59:34,317 --> 00:59:37,053 lt's been talked about it's been explained... 549 00:59:37,053 --> 00:59:41,046 all the reasons but when you think about it... 550 00:59:42,492 --> 00:59:46,485 on the day that it happened it was about fear wasn't it? 551 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:50,623 While you consider this new cultural order as the emancipation... 552 00:59:50,867 --> 00:59:54,860 of the artist it seems in my opinion that this vision encourages... 553 00:59:54,905 --> 00:59:57,574 a techno-hegemony and the exploitation of the artist... 554 00:59:57,574 --> 00:59:59,910 by capitalistic mega-structures don't you think? 555 00:59:59,910 --> 01:00:02,879 l've asked you about your music l've asked you about your family... 556 01:00:02,879 --> 01:00:05,215 l've asked you about your children what you had for dinner... 557 01:00:05,215 --> 01:00:08,385 l've asked you what you do when you go to a movie. 558 01:00:08,385 --> 01:00:11,454 Mr. Gould you've stated... 559 01:00:11,454 --> 01:00:15,258 that the concert hall is becoming... 560 01:00:15,258 --> 01:00:19,062 more and more of an economic liability... 561 01:00:19,062 --> 01:00:23,055 but that you foresee this problem rectifying itself by the year 2000. 562 01:00:26,236 --> 01:00:30,229 Why? 563 01:00:32,075 --> 01:00:35,211 Okay fine. 564 01:00:35,211 --> 01:00:39,204 Are you homosexual? 565 01:00:41,151 --> 01:00:45,144 Why didn't you answer my calls? 566 01:00:45,722 --> 01:00:49,715 Why did you stop calling me? 567 01:00:53,563 --> 01:00:57,556 You know l am deeply in love with a certain beautiful girl. 568 01:00:58,401 --> 01:01:00,737 l asked her to marry me but she turned me down... 569 01:01:00,737 --> 01:01:04,140 but l still love her more than anything in the world... 570 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:08,133 and every minute l can spend with her is pure heaven. 571 01:01:08,645 --> 01:01:11,081 But l don't want to be a bore... 572 01:01:11,081 --> 01:01:15,074 and if l can only get her to tell me when l could see her it would help. 573 01:01:15,752 --> 01:01:19,389 She has a standing invitation to let me take her anywhere she'd like to go... 574 01:01:19,389 --> 01:01:23,382 anytime but it seems to me she never has time for me. 575 01:01:24,594 --> 01:01:27,397 Please if you see her ask her to let me know... 576 01:01:27,397 --> 01:01:31,390 when l can see her and when l can-- 577 01:04:55,171 --> 01:04:58,975 Sheik Ahmed Zaki Yamani arrived in Ottawa today to begin... 578 01:04:58,975 --> 01:05:02,968 a series of discussions across Canada about the future of oil pricing. 579 01:05:03,413 --> 01:05:05,415 - The powerful Saudi oil minister-- - Howie thanks for holding. 580 01:05:05,415 --> 01:05:07,951 lt's me your fairy godmother. You just cleared 30 grand in your sleep. 581 01:05:07,951 --> 01:05:11,944 1 2000 Texas Gulf at 46. Call me and let me know how the options open. 582 01:05:12,889 --> 01:05:15,358 Sorry sir. What's on the recommender? Play it safe. 583 01:05:15,358 --> 01:05:19,351 l'm sticking with the big one. Oil that is black gold Texas tea. 584 01:05:19,395 --> 01:05:22,465 Across the board: Gulf Dome Petrofina. Take your pick hold on for the ride. 585 01:05:22,465 --> 01:05:26,458 We're going through the roof here. l'm looking at 3 2 by the bell. Okay. 586 01:05:27,637 --> 01:05:30,640 Sotex Resources? No never heard of it. 587 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,644 Yeah l'll check the charts. 588 01:05:34,644 --> 01:05:37,413 Yeah but again l'm telling you oil right now... 589 01:05:37,413 --> 01:05:41,406 is as close to a sure thing as we got in this business and it's crazy to sell. 590 01:05:41,551 --> 01:05:43,853 Sotex. No. 591 01:05:43,853 --> 01:05:47,657 Got nothing on it. Sounds risky to me. You want it you got it. 592 01:05:47,657 --> 01:05:51,394 - Who's that? Who is it? - Glenn Gould. 593 01:05:51,394 --> 01:05:53,930 l'll just ask you to remember in the days and weeks ahead... 594 01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:55,932 this was your bright idea. 595 01:05:55,932 --> 01:05:59,002 That's my job. Later. 596 01:05:59,002 --> 01:06:02,995 - The piano player? - Yeah Glenn Gould the piano player. 597 01:06:05,008 --> 01:06:08,911 Okay got a buy for you: 1 0000 STX Gould. 598 01:06:08,911 --> 01:06:11,781 - What's the special of the day? - Canstar Oil and Gas. 599 01:06:11,781 --> 01:06:14,717 - Eleven and three quarters. - Mr. Mackie lunched with the minister. 600 01:06:14,717 --> 01:06:16,452 There's an incentive program in the air. 601 01:06:16,452 --> 01:06:18,788 - Well l don't buy it. - He's in for 90 thou. 602 01:06:18,788 --> 01:06:22,258 The Pormack brothers are in tight with the Saudis. They've mopped up all week. 603 01:06:22,258 --> 01:06:25,461 So as long as this embargo holds-- 604 01:06:25,461 --> 01:06:28,431 - lt's going up up and away. - Anything else Mr. Gould? 605 01:06:28,431 --> 01:06:31,501 Yes l'll have a cup of coffee and a telephone. 606 01:06:31,501 --> 01:06:34,871 - Everybody's buying. - l'm afraid l can't agree. 607 01:06:34,871 --> 01:06:36,873 What do you mean? Do you know something? 608 01:06:36,873 --> 01:06:40,866 l had a small word with Sheik Yamani's bodyguard at the airport and-- 609 01:06:41,611 --> 01:06:43,880 - And what? - Now... 610 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,873 this one has to be kept strictly between you and me. 611 01:06:48,885 --> 01:06:52,288 STX-- Sotex Resources? Never heard of it. 612 01:06:52,288 --> 01:06:56,281 The sheik has and he's about to deliver them a major explorations contract. 613 01:07:03,633 --> 01:07:07,570 This is entirely entre nous. This is just between you and me. 614 01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:10,873 Sotex? Hang on one second. 615 01:07:10,873 --> 01:07:14,866 - Here it is. - Little stock called Sotex. Hear of it? 616 01:07:18,948 --> 01:07:22,685 Sotex ten and a third. Get me 20000 shares. 617 01:07:22,685 --> 01:07:26,389 Mines natural resources stuff from up north you know. 618 01:07:26,389 --> 01:07:30,382 Listen Sheik Yamani is very interested in this company. 619 01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:37,934 The TSE dropped 40 points as a result of this morning's announcement... 620 01:07:37,934 --> 01:07:41,070 and the Dow fell back an alarming 7 2 points. 621 01:07:41,070 --> 01:07:44,474 One of the few bright spots in the midst of this doom and gloom... 622 01:07:44,474 --> 01:07:47,443 was a tiny company called Sotex Resources... 623 01:07:47,443 --> 01:07:51,436 which closed at 1 5.3. 624 01:07:52,582 --> 01:07:56,552 Ten and a quarter. Ditch it for Christ's sake. What are you waiting for? 625 01:07:56,552 --> 01:07:59,956 Yeah Howie unfortunately we are looking at a bit of a dip. 626 01:07:59,956 --> 01:08:03,059 Down 1 2 points. Well that's the way the game works. You know the risk. 627 01:08:03,059 --> 01:08:05,962 Sotex? Sure. You want a piece? 628 01:08:05,962 --> 01:08:08,064 Look what do you want me to say? 629 01:08:08,064 --> 01:08:12,057 You lost l lost everybody lost. Take it up with OPEC. 630 01:08:12,702 --> 01:08:14,704 Whatever you say Glenn. 631 01:08:14,704 --> 01:08:17,907 You know l have to confess you were my only client who made a buck last week. 632 01:08:17,907 --> 01:08:21,900 And a pretty good one too. Hey listen you gave up touring. 633 01:08:22,545 --> 01:08:25,915 Maybe you should give up playing piano altogether and just play the market. 634 01:08:25,915 --> 01:08:28,885 That's right a virtuoso. 635 01:08:28,885 --> 01:08:32,878 Yeah l'll talk to you soon. 636 01:08:34,991 --> 01:08:38,984 Piano player. 637 01:09:06,756 --> 01:09:09,659 "Wanted;:friendly companionably reclusive... 638 01:09:09,659 --> 01:09:12,462 socially unacceptable alcoholically abstemious... 639 01:09:12,462 --> 01:09:15,064 tirelessly talkative zealously unzealous... 640 01:09:15,064 --> 01:09:17,667 spiritually intense minimally turquoise... 641 01:09:17,667 --> 01:09:19,669 maximally ecstatic loon... 642 01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:22,538 seeks moth or moths with similar equalities... 643 01:09:22,538 --> 01:09:25,174 for purposes of telephonic seduction... 644 01:09:25,174 --> 01:09:27,477 Tristan-esque trip-taking-- 645 01:09:27,477 --> 01:09:30,780 Tristan-esque-- Tristan-esque trip-taking... 646 01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:32,915 and permanent flame-fluttering. 647 01:09:32,915 --> 01:09:36,052 No photos required. Financial status immaterial. 648 01:09:36,052 --> 01:09:39,489 All ages and noncompetitive vocations considered. 649 01:09:39,489 --> 01:09:42,758 Applicants should furnish cassettes of sample conversation... 650 01:09:42,758 --> 01:09:46,095 notarized certification of marital disinclination... 651 01:09:46,095 --> 01:09:50,088 references re: low-decibel vocal consistency... 652 01:09:50,266 --> 01:09:53,769 "itinery" and-- 653 01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:55,938 itinerary and sample receipts... 654 01:09:55,938 --> 01:09:59,775 from previous successfully completed out-of-town moth flights. 655 01:09:59,775 --> 01:10:03,768 All submissions treated confidentially. No paws need apply. 656 01:10:04,947 --> 01:10:07,483 The auditions for all promising candidates... 657 01:10:07,483 --> 01:10:11,476 will be conducted to and on Anaton Penisend Newfoundland." 658 01:10:27,203 --> 01:10:31,196 Toronto Star Classified. Good afternoon. 659 01:10:44,954 --> 01:10:47,290 Valium;:a minor tranquilizer... 660 01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:50,560 used to relieve symptoms of tension and anxiety. 661 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,553 Avoid using this medication in conjunction with antidepressants. 662 01:10:55,264 --> 01:10:57,967 Trifluoperazine;:an antipsychotic... 663 01:10:57,967 --> 01:11:01,604 prescribed for moderate to severe depression and anxiety. 664 01:11:01,604 --> 01:11:04,273 This medication may cause an inability to sleep. 665 01:11:04,273 --> 01:11:07,143 Do not take in conjunction with barbiturates. 666 01:11:07,143 --> 01:11:08,711 Like other barbiturates... 667 01:11:08,711 --> 01:11:12,715 pentobarbital acts by interfering with nerve impulses to the brain. 668 01:11:12,715 --> 01:11:15,051 Long-term use may result in addiction. 669 01:11:15,051 --> 01:11:17,587 Side effects include drowsiness lethargy... 670 01:11:17,587 --> 01:11:21,290 and a general allergic reaction. 671 01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:23,292 Librax is most commonly used... 672 01:11:23,292 --> 01:11:27,285 to soothe the anxiety often associated with gastrointestinal disorders. 673 01:11:27,697 --> 01:11:29,865 The effects of Librax may be inhibited... 674 01:11:29,865 --> 01:11:33,858 by certain medications used in the treatment of high blood pressure. 675 01:11:34,036 --> 01:11:37,006 Aldomet is used to control high blood pressure. 676 01:11:37,006 --> 01:11:40,977 A mild sedative effect or transient headache are possible side effects. 677 01:11:40,977 --> 01:11:44,213 Aldomet will increase the effectiveness of other antihypertensives. 678 01:11:44,213 --> 01:11:46,716 Clonidine acts in the brain... 679 01:11:46,716 --> 01:11:49,251 by causing the dilation of certain blood vessels. 680 01:11:49,251 --> 01:11:53,089 Side effects include drowsiness dizziness headache and fatigue. 681 01:11:53,089 --> 01:11:55,758 lndocin;:a nonsteroidal agent... 682 01:11:55,758 --> 01:11:59,028 used to treat various forms ofjoint and muscle inflammation. 683 01:11:59,028 --> 01:12:01,297 lt can produce severe stomach upsets... 684 01:12:01,297 --> 01:12:05,290 rashes itching and even a ringing in the ears. 685 01:12:06,102 --> 01:12:07,970 Hydrochlorothiazide;: 686 01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:11,407 an antihypertensive used in the treatment of high blood pressure. 687 01:12:11,407 --> 01:12:15,400 Side effects include headache restlessness and a depressed sex drive. 688 01:12:16,278 --> 01:12:20,271 Septra;:an anti-infective used to treat infections of the urinary tract. 689 01:12:20,816 --> 01:12:24,809 May cause itching rashes drug-fever or arthritis-like pain. 690 01:12:26,088 --> 01:12:29,025 Fiorinal;: a nonnarcotic pain reliever... 691 01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:31,327 can lead to drug dependence or addiction. 692 01:12:31,327 --> 01:12:35,064 lnteraction with phenylbutazone may cause stomach irritation. 693 01:12:35,064 --> 01:12:38,000 Phenylbutazone;: an anti-inflammatory... 694 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,003 often used to treat pain in the shoulder due to bursitis. 695 01:12:41,003 --> 01:12:44,874 Prolonged use may lead to excessive water retention. 696 01:12:44,874 --> 01:12:48,844 Chlorothiazide;:a diuretic used in the treatment of high blood pressure... 697 01:12:48,844 --> 01:12:52,837 or in situations where it is necessary to rid the body of excess water. 698 01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:56,719 Avoid using in conjunction with drugs that have a stimulant effect. 699 01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:59,989 Allopurinol;: an anti-gout medication. 700 01:12:59,989 --> 01:13:03,959 A major side effect is exhaustion and a desire to sleep. 701 01:13:03,959 --> 01:13:07,952 Avoid tasks that require concentration. 702 01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:16,872 He didn't talk to me about drugs very much... 703 01:13:16,872 --> 01:13:19,442 except these instances when he would excuse himself... 704 01:13:19,442 --> 01:13:21,744 and then-- it was interesting. 705 01:13:21,744 --> 01:13:25,448 Of course there was a bathroom in this hotel suite... 706 01:13:25,448 --> 01:13:28,317 and l asked him if l could use the bathroom. 707 01:13:28,317 --> 01:13:32,310 These sessions went on for six and seven hours and so l did-- 708 01:13:33,255 --> 01:13:36,325 l remember going in there and seeing lined up on the wall... 709 01:13:36,325 --> 01:13:39,695 all these different bottles and l came out and l said-- 710 01:13:39,695 --> 01:13:43,688 l said "Glenn surely you're not taking all this stuff are you?" 711 01:13:43,966 --> 01:13:47,959 He said "Well no not all at once" and sort of laughed. 712 01:13:49,004 --> 01:13:51,006 l don't understand that in him. 713 01:13:51,006 --> 01:13:54,999 l never understood that and he-- 714 01:13:55,277 --> 01:13:59,270 l didn't have the feeling that he was acting in a-- 715 01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:04,943 in a way that had been produced by a drug. 716 01:14:05,488 --> 01:14:08,491 He was neither speeding nor was he sort of you know... 717 01:14:08,491 --> 01:14:12,484 not in control of his any kinds of anything. 718 01:14:12,795 --> 01:14:16,788 And here was this lineup of bottles. 719 01:16:33,369 --> 01:16:35,404 Mr. Gould we've covered a lot of the topics... 720 01:16:35,404 --> 01:16:37,406 that l wanted to cover with you. 721 01:16:37,406 --> 01:16:41,399 But could we perhaps move on to some of the more personal questions? 722 01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:44,446 Tell me do you believe in the supernatural... 723 01:16:44,446 --> 01:16:47,182 or in ESP? 724 01:16:47,182 --> 01:16:51,086 You know no one's ever asked me that before. 725 01:16:51,086 --> 01:16:53,589 Do l believe in the supernatural? Of course. 726 01:16:53,589 --> 01:16:57,393 Yes... and no. 727 01:16:57,393 --> 01:17:00,229 That is to say... 728 01:17:00,229 --> 01:17:03,065 l don't hold with this notion... 729 01:17:03,065 --> 01:17:07,002 that one's mind can be read like a book... 730 01:17:07,002 --> 01:17:09,138 or some such thing. 731 01:17:09,138 --> 01:17:11,407 But that there are... 732 01:17:11,407 --> 01:17:15,311 certain inexplicable coincidences in the world... 733 01:17:15,311 --> 01:17:18,247 seems to me patently obvious. 734 01:17:18,247 --> 01:17:21,083 Have you ever experienced any of those coincidences? 735 01:17:21,083 --> 01:17:23,218 Could you tell me about it? 736 01:17:23,218 --> 01:17:25,421 Yes several times... 737 01:17:25,421 --> 01:17:29,414 the oddest being when l was very young-- nine years old. 738 01:17:30,192 --> 01:17:33,062 l should preface this by saying... 739 01:17:33,062 --> 01:17:36,265 that l've always been fascinated by dreams... 740 01:17:36,265 --> 01:17:39,068 and the kind of feeling... 741 01:17:39,068 --> 01:17:42,438 that they leave one with. 742 01:17:42,438 --> 01:17:46,431 There's a certain horrible feeling... 743 01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:49,311 tragic sense of loss... 744 01:17:49,311 --> 01:17:53,304 that one can derive only from a dream. 745 01:17:55,017 --> 01:17:57,619 Anyway at this time... 746 01:17:57,619 --> 01:18:00,422 l was about nine years old-- 747 01:18:00,422 --> 01:18:02,524 Pardon me. 748 01:18:02,524 --> 01:18:06,095 About nine years old and l had this peculiar dream... 749 01:18:06,095 --> 01:18:10,088 in which l saw myself covered with red spots. 750 01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:14,503 The next morning when l mentioned it to my mother... 751 01:18:14,503 --> 01:18:18,496 she'd had exactly the same dream. 752 01:18:18,574 --> 01:18:21,643 Now at that time there was no hint of measles... 753 01:18:21,643 --> 01:18:25,447 no epidemic no worry of any kind... 754 01:18:25,447 --> 01:18:28,517 so the dream certainly couldn't have been affected... 755 01:18:28,517 --> 01:18:32,510 by any external common suggestion. 756 01:18:33,355 --> 01:18:37,348 And yet four days later l got the measles. 757 01:18:38,293 --> 01:18:42,286 Very interesting. Tell me continuing... 758 01:18:42,364 --> 01:18:46,357 what do you believe regarding afterlife? 759 01:18:47,002 --> 01:18:49,772 Well l was brought up a Presbyterian... 760 01:18:49,772 --> 01:18:52,107 though l stopped being a churchgoer... 761 01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:56,100 at about the age of 1 8. 762 01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:01,350 l've always felt tremendously strongly... 763 01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:03,419 that... 764 01:19:03,419 --> 01:19:07,412 there is indeed a hereafter... 765 01:19:07,456 --> 01:19:11,326 with which we must all reckon... 766 01:19:11,326 --> 01:19:15,319 in light of which we must live our lives... 767 01:19:15,397 --> 01:19:19,390 and there is that inevitability of the transformation of the spirit. 768 01:19:21,303 --> 01:19:23,138 As a consequence... 769 01:19:23,138 --> 01:19:27,131 l find all here-and-now philosophies quite repellent-- 770 01:19:27,709 --> 01:19:29,778 lax if you will. 771 01:19:29,778 --> 01:19:33,771 l realize however that there's a great temptation... 772 01:19:34,616 --> 01:19:38,609 to formulate a comfortable theory about eternal life... 773 01:19:40,122 --> 01:19:44,115 so as to reconcile oneself to the inevitability of death. 774 01:19:44,193 --> 01:19:47,796 But l'd like to think that's not what l'm doing. 775 01:19:47,796 --> 01:19:51,166 l don't believe l'm trying to create for myself... 776 01:19:51,166 --> 01:19:55,159 a deliberate self-reassuring process. 777 01:19:55,604 --> 01:19:59,441 lt just seems intuitively right. 778 01:19:59,441 --> 01:20:03,434 l've never had to work very hard of convincing myself of a hereafter. 779 01:20:05,347 --> 01:20:09,340 After all don't you think it seems infinitely more plausible... 780 01:20:09,384 --> 01:20:13,377 than its opposite: oblivion? 781 01:20:21,363 --> 01:20:23,899 HelloJessie it's me. 782 01:20:23,899 --> 01:20:27,892 l wonder could indulge me for a moment? l'm in a bit of a state. 783 01:20:29,271 --> 01:20:31,473 Well l was driving along... 784 01:20:31,473 --> 01:20:35,177 when l suddenly remembered that story about Schoenberg. 785 01:20:35,177 --> 01:20:37,312 Schoenberg. 786 01:20:37,312 --> 01:20:40,916 Remember he was obsessed with numerology numbers and so forth. 787 01:20:40,916 --> 01:20:44,186 So much so that when he turned 65... 788 01:20:44,186 --> 01:20:46,188 he was terrified that he was going to die... 789 01:20:46,188 --> 01:20:49,158 because his age was divisible by 1 3. 790 01:20:49,158 --> 01:20:53,151 So he consulted an astrologer friend who assured him that he would survive... 791 01:20:53,862 --> 01:20:57,366 until the next time the numbers conspired against him. 792 01:20:57,366 --> 01:21:01,359 "Well great" he thought "another 1 3 years. 793 01:21:02,804 --> 01:21:05,374 l'll be fine until l'm 7 8." 794 01:21:05,374 --> 01:21:08,877 Eleven years later however when he was 7 6... 795 01:21:08,877 --> 01:21:11,747 the astrologer wrote back to warn him that it's not only numbers... 796 01:21:11,747 --> 01:21:15,150 that are divisible by 1 3 that he ought to watch out for... 797 01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:18,921 but also those whose digits add up to 1 3. 798 01:21:18,921 --> 01:21:22,914 For example 7 6. 799 01:21:23,158 --> 01:21:27,151 Needless to say he was petrified but not for long. 800 01:21:27,963 --> 01:21:30,399 Three months later he died... 801 01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:34,392 July 13 1951 . 802 01:21:35,237 --> 01:21:37,606 l can't help it. 803 01:21:37,606 --> 01:21:40,576 l'm 49 tomorrow... 804 01:21:40,576 --> 01:21:44,569 and Schoenberg's still talking to me. 805 01:21:46,848 --> 01:21:50,841 Jessie? Jessie are you there? 806 01:21:53,855 --> 01:21:57,848 The week before he died l remember it in great detail. 807 01:21:58,427 --> 01:22:00,295 And it's funny that-- 808 01:22:00,295 --> 01:22:03,699 lt's peculiar that l do remember it in such detail... 809 01:22:03,699 --> 01:22:07,692 because many of the times our conversations were light... 810 01:22:08,537 --> 01:22:11,373 and just banter between two good friends. 811 01:22:11,373 --> 01:22:14,676 But that week before Glenn died... 812 01:22:14,676 --> 01:22:17,446 everything was serious. 813 01:22:17,446 --> 01:22:20,582 He couldn't control the birthday... 814 01:22:20,582 --> 01:22:23,285 that was coming up-- the celebration. 815 01:22:23,285 --> 01:22:25,587 He couldn't-- He seemed to think... 816 01:22:25,587 --> 01:22:29,458 everything was slipping away from his control... 817 01:22:29,458 --> 01:22:33,451 and he was obsessed with this feeling that he wondered-- 818 01:22:33,996 --> 01:22:37,989 would people recognize him and come to a funeral... 819 01:22:38,734 --> 01:22:42,727 and we'd never talked about anything like that before. 820 01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:48,610 But he said that he wanted-- 821 01:22:48,610 --> 01:22:51,580 He didn't-- He would like to be like Huckleberry Finn... 822 01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:54,249 and come to his own funeral... 823 01:22:54,249 --> 01:22:58,242 because he didn't think that there would be people who came. 824 01:22:58,620 --> 01:23:02,524 He didn't think that the world loved him like they did... 825 01:23:02,524 --> 01:23:06,517 and he knew about how the records were selling... 826 01:23:06,828 --> 01:23:09,898 he knew that they were very-- 827 01:23:09,898 --> 01:23:13,869 thatJapanese people bought a lot of them... 828 01:23:13,869 --> 01:23:17,862 that people in Central Europe... 829 01:23:18,373 --> 01:23:21,410 and in Asia bought a lot of them... 830 01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:24,846 but he just didn't think... 831 01:23:24,846 --> 01:23:27,749 that he was that important... 832 01:23:27,749 --> 01:23:31,742 and it never surfaced that to me at least... 833 01:23:32,054 --> 01:23:36,047 that he felt his own... 834 01:23:37,993 --> 01:23:40,062 fame. 835 01:23:40,062 --> 01:23:44,055 His humility was beyond everything. 836 01:23:45,701 --> 01:23:49,694 And when l saw the people pour into... 837 01:23:51,073 --> 01:23:53,709 St. Paul's Cathedral... 838 01:23:53,709 --> 01:23:56,545 l couldn't help but believe "Oh Glenn you were wrong... 839 01:23:56,545 --> 01:23:59,881 for probably the first time in your life." 840 01:23:59,881 --> 01:24:03,874 You know 'cause he always liked to think he never was wrong. 841 01:25:48,924 --> 01:25:52,060 HelloJessie? lt's me. 842 01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:56,053 l was just out driving along and guess what came on the radio. 843 01:25:56,998 --> 01:26:00,991 Here. 844 01:26:04,506 --> 01:26:06,641 Well? 845 01:26:06,641 --> 01:26:10,634 Yes sure it's one of the French suites but which one? 846 01:26:15,951 --> 01:26:19,087 And there you have it-- Johann Sebastian Bach... 847 01:26:19,087 --> 01:26:21,122 the Saraband from French Suite No. 1 ... 848 01:26:21,122 --> 01:26:25,115 performed with the unmistakable genius of the young Glenn Gould. 849 01:26:26,061 --> 01:26:29,798 Tragically Mr. Gould passed away this morning at the age of 50. 850 01:26:29,798 --> 01:26:33,791 He died in hospital in Toronto after suffering a stroke last week. 851 01:26:34,135 --> 01:26:37,005 Since that time he'd been on a life support system... 852 01:26:37,005 --> 01:26:40,998 and never regained consciousness. 853 01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,546 ln the fall of 1 97 7... 854 01:27:51,546 --> 01:27:55,539 the U.S. government sent two ships Voyagers l and ll into space... 855 01:27:57,085 --> 01:28:01,078 where they are eventually destined to reach the edge of our galaxy. 856 01:28:01,957 --> 01:28:05,950 ln the hope that someone somewhere would intercept these craft... 857 01:28:06,661 --> 01:28:09,764 a variety of messages were placed on board... 858 01:28:09,764 --> 01:28:12,133 that would be capable of communicating the existence... 859 01:28:12,133 --> 01:28:14,302 of an intelligent creature... 860 01:28:14,302 --> 01:28:18,273 living on a planet called Earth. 861 01:28:18,273 --> 01:28:22,266 Among these was included a short prelude byJohann Sebastian Bach... 862 01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:28,172 as performed by Glenn Gould. 863 01:28:29,284 --> 01:28:33,277 Voyagers l and ll left our solar system respectively... 864 01:28:33,588 --> 01:28:37,581 in 1987 and 1989. 75236

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