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[retro orchestral music]
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I wanted to be an actress
when I was young.
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My mom had beena legal assistant
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within the movie industryfor years.
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She knew a lot of what went onbehind the scenes.
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And decided
she never wanted, uh,
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my brother or I
to ever have any involvement
within the movie industry.
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So I had some resentment
over that.
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Years later...
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[people exclaiming]
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...my daughter, Brandi,was very outgoing,full of life.
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Full of personality.
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[man] Hi, little hambone.
How you doing?
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And she was very enamored
with television.
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Disney Channel, Nickelodeon.
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She idolized these shows,
and she thought
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what a fun life
that looked like.
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She had found
what she wanted to do in life.
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Brandi absolutely loved
The Amanda Show,
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and they were looking for kids
to be in a schoolroom scene.
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Class dismissed! Bring in
the dancing lobsters!
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[MJ] So, for herto get booked on a showthat she absolutely loved,
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at only 11 years old,
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she came out of that
just on cloud nine.
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We, as parents,were not allowed backon the set.
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We were greetedby a production assistant,Jason Handy,
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who guided all the kidsto where they needed to be.
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Jason looked likethe all-Americanboy next door.
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Very charismatic,
very charming.
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When he wasn't on setwith the kids,
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Jason would come outand talk with all the moms.
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Wanted to get to knowabout us, what our familieswere like.
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You thought,
"Oh, I could be friends
with this person."
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On the drive home,Brandi was very excited.
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She said Jason
started exchanging numbers
with the kids and the parents,
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and Jason wants to email.
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She thought, "Oh, this is
somebody else on the set
that seemed to be so nice."
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And she would havea friend in the industry.
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I thought,
"Oh, this is going well."
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I was so happy.
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I was the parent
that could give my child
what she wanted in life.
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[dial-up modem connecting]
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About a weekafter she was on that episode,
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there was an email from Jason.
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She let me read it, and it was
a very innocent email.
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It just talked about the shows
that he had been working on.
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[dial-up modem sounds]
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After that,they were emailing more.
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She would tell me,
"Oh, I got an email
from Jason.
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He's doing this.
He's doing that."
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I didn't see any harm in it.
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[intense instrumental music]
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A couple months later,she was sittingat the computer,
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and all of a sudden, I noticed
she had suddenly shut down
the computer completely,
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and got up
and ran into her bedroom,
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and slammed
the bedroom door shut.
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And I said,
"Brandi, what is wrong?"
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She started to cry.
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And she said,
"I got an email from Jason."
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[voice breaking] It was
a picture of him naked...
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masturbating.
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And he said
he had sent it to her
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because he wanted her
to see...
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that he was thinking of her.
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I went back and forth with,
"Should I call the police?
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They're gonna thinkI'm a bad parent
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because I allowed herto talk to this person."
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I struggled with this
and I finally told myself,
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"I can't call the police.
All I can do...
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is make sure
I keep her far away from him."
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[somber instrumental music]
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She left the businessand never returned.
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The public still has
this image of Hollywood
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of this glitz and glam,
and the limelight,
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and, "Oh, you have
the best career,
and it's all fine and great."
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They don't know
what these kids went through.
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[opening theme music playing]
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This is Amanda.
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I sure hope you like my act.
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-[man] What is your name?
-Hi, my name's Amanda Bynes.
I'm nine years old.
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[woman] How old are you,
by the way? Are you--
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-I'm ten.
-[woman] You're 10 years old.
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-I'm 12, turning 13
April 3rd. Yay!
-[host] Yay!
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-Teenager! [whoops]
-[crowd applauding]
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And I'm 14 years old.
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And I'm 16.
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Amanda Bynes
was very, very famous
by the time she was, like, 16.
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And, at the time,she talked about wantingto take on more adult roles.
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On Nickelodeon, I had to do
a lot of, like, slapstick-y.
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I was always wearing wigsand doing all that.
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And I got to a point,
I was growing up,
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that I wanted to feel like
my age, and like a girl
and do all that.
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[Koul] She made a few movies,
What a Girl Wants
and Big Fat Liar.
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So she's starting to pivotinto this different spacein her career
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that's well beyond Nickelodeon
and well beyond being a figure
of child entertainment.
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♪ What I like about you ♪
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[Koul] Dan Schneidercreated a show called
What I Like About You
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on the WB with a 16-year-oldAmanda Bynes.
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And Dan really wanted
to follow Amanda
into this mainstream success.
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But there's already trouble
on set.
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[audience laughing]
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[Taylor] Dan had a veryspecific image
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of how he wanted
What I Like About You to go,
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but he was constantly fighting
with the co-creator
of What I Like about You,
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Wil Calhoun from Friends.
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And there was just
this massive amount
of tension there,
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where the network
didn't really trust Dan.
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And they stepped in.
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He got pushed outfrom the writer's room.
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[somber instrumental music]
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But Dan is still able
to remain on set with Amanda
in his role as producer.
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[Fabian] Amanda's relationshipwith Dan was very close.
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[people clamoring]
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He thought that he should be
the one to, kind of,
usher Amanda into adulthood.
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[people clamoring]
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It's a very
delicate transition
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to make from child star
to adult person,
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never mind adult actor.
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-[reporter] What's the cost
of fame, in your opinion?
-Um...
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People like
having to be involved
in your personal lives.
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Oh, enough
out of you. [laughs]
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[Fabian] She wantedto be a grown-up.
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She still lived at home,
you know? So there were
some rules.
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[Taylor] Amandaand her parentswere not getting along.
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Amanda was dating someone.
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[Fabian] He was older.
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You know, you're 16 years old,
and you think you're an adult
and you know everything.
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But her parents,being good parents,
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said, "Miss. Can't do that."
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And I think
she didn't like hearing,
"I can't."
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Amanda tries to run away
from home
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and, in this moment,
she turns to Dan for help.
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The detailsare a little bit murky,
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but we know from sourcesthat the police were involved.
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And we also knowthat Amanda's parents
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are really, really upset
with Dan's actions
through this.
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But around this time,Amanda turns to Danand other representatives
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to come up with a plan
to get her emancipated
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and get her a new level
of independence.
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This plan takes her parents
completely by surprise.
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They didn't say, "I do."
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So what rights do kids havewhen they want a divorcefrom their mom and dad?
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Two teenage sisterswent to courtto get a divorce,
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not from their husbands,but from their parents.
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[woman] My childwants to be emancipated.What does this mean?
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That's a really good question.
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What your child wantsis to be called a legal adult.
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In order to do that,your child needs to petitionthe court.
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[Koul] There's a prettylengthy history of teen stars
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getting emancipatedfrom their parents.
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It lets them work
a little more freely.
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They don't have to work
reduced hours.
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It would have made everybody
a lot more money
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and they could have worked hereven harderthan they already were.
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[ominous instrumental music]
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And she really felt pulled
in a couple
of different directions.
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You know, parents,
Dan Schneider...
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Dan Schneider is the guyresponsible for my career.
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She's a teenager
and that's a lot
to put on somebody.
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Knowing that no matter
what decision you make,
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you're gonna hurt someone
who means something to you
is difficult.
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Dan inserting himself
into Amanda's life like this
is really ethically fraught.
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I thinkthat there is an argumentthat can be made
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that he was tryingto help Amanda.
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But, unfortunately for Dan,
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this goes to court,
and it entirely fails.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Because of Dan's involvement
in this plan
to emancipate Amanda,
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this creates this huge splitin between Amanda's parentsand Dan Schneider.
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-[reporters clamoring]
-[cameras flashing]
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This is really the end
of Dan's relationship
with Amanda.
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But her transition
into adulthood
in the public eye
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will be incredibly fraught.
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Pretty soon after this,
Dan parts ways
with What I Like About You.
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He stays on with the show
in name only.
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Dan has basicallylost his ticketout of children's programming.
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It's a huge blow.
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So, now,he has to turn his attentionback to Nickelodeon.
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And Nickelodeon
obviously wanted him
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because here's a guy,
he's responsible
for a couple of
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really successful showsfor them.
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The dark side of thatis that it came at a costto a lot of people.
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[Koul] Over at Nickelodeon,Dan had been growingwhat would become an empire,
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reviving All That
with a whole new cast.
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[presenter] The all-new castof all-new All That!
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[all] It's All That!
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[Koul] All That
made Dan's career.
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He was able to capturethis really lively energy
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where it just looked likeeverybody was just havinga good time.
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What makes it
really fun for me,
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working with young people,
is that it's fresh and new
to them.
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This is oftentheir first or second job.
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Fame is new, the whole process
is new, and they're excited
to be a part of it.
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Dan was a writer
and executive producer
on All That,
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and he was the primary person
in charge on set.
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There is a deference
on a television set.
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It's very hierarchical.
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Dan is someone
who holds economic power
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and emotional power
over these kids.
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He had so much power
and he threw it around.
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[solemn instrumental music]
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I grew up watching All That,
and I remember the way
they talked about Dan.
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-[phone ringing]
-It's the Dan Phone!
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There's a very telling scene
where Dan calls the cast,
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and it's like Charlie
calling his Angels.
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-[Schneider on call]
Hello, cast!
-[all] Hi, Dan!
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He's parodying himself
as a big-shot producer.
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We lost him.
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Lost 'em.
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-How about a shrimp?
-Okay.
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[Koul] He's being hand-fedshrimp tails,
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and then, the kids
are literally referring to him
as God.
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Look, it is not our place
to question Dan.
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-Yeah. Dan's a god.
-True.
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[boy] I can't argue that.
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To me, it looks like a moment
that really reflects
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what's happening
behind the scenes.
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-Let's go make Dan proud!
-Come on!
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I was so excited,
but I had no idea
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what kind of wild ride
I was getting into.
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You guys know Gail.
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Heidi heidi heidi hi!
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I am Giovonnie,
Giovonnie Samuels.
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I started on All That
for season seven through nine.
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I understood the magnitude
of being the token Black girl,
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but I didn't realize
how significant that was
until years later.
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My name is Kyle Sullivan.
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I was a guest star
on The Amanda Show.
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You people
ripped us off! [gasps]
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I was apparently, like,funny enough that Dantook a liking to me,
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and was like, "Oh, wow. Okay."
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-[gasping]
-Inhale!
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I was on All That
for, like, four years.
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[hollering]
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My name
is Bryan Christopher Hearne.
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I was a cast memberon season seven and eightof All That.
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Every time I booked a role,
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I felt like I was one step
closer to getting my family
out the hood.
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And, so, it was freeingto get the role on All That.
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But that wasn't the reality.
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[Sullivan] The set on All That
was dysfunctional.
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You could just
kind of get away with more.
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Like going overtime in ways
that were sort of pushing
the envelope.
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They would be like,
"Hey, can you stay an extra
however-long?"
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"I guess. Sure."
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You kind of
look at your mom like,
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"We're ignoring child
labor laws again,
do you know that?
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All right.
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Let's... let's shoot."
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I remember we did this
sketch "Sugar and Coffee."
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It involved me and Lisarunning around this set,
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and basically, like,swallow a bunch of sugarand swallow a bunch of coffee.
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That sketch required, like,
a ton of, like, physical work.
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-Welcome, Mrs. Nut-Hurst!
-Yeah!
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[Samuels] They had me come indressed as an old lady
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that gets drowned
in the sugar and coffee.
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I mean, you're pouring, like,pounds and pounds of literalsugar in your mouth.
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And it's hitting you
like sand.
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And, sometimes,
we would choke.
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It was taxing and it...
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And, frankly, like,
if you look at the sketch,
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it's gross.
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Oh!
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[Sullivan] Like, it wouldcongeal into this gross,viscous goo.
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It was weird.
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The show was full of, like,these uncomfortable sketches.
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I think that Dan got a kick
out of walking a line
with that.
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But, generally,
I had a good relationship
with Dan.
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Dan was very professional
and nice to me.
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Dan had a nicer
relationship with...
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some of the other white kids.
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I didn't feel close to him
at all.
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My time on Nickelodeonplayed a big part in how I...
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dealt, and still deal,
with racial issues.
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We got impressions
on what the climate
was like immediately,
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first day filming.
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You wanna buy
some girlie cookies?
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-[canned laughter]
-You're not a girl.
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-[shushes]
-[canned laughter]
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They set up the scene
like he was selling drugs.
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-[shushes]
-[canned laughter]
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And I was like, "Oh,
the Black kid gets to be
the crack dealer?"
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And then, we were at the end
of the scene,
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and there's a man
sitting there
who was the producer.
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Behind him was a young ladymassaging him.
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That was certainly pulled
from Dan getting massages
on set,
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which was weird.
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Why are we having adult jokes?
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Are you showing the kids
that Hollywood
is a casting couch?
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And, "Oh, Tracey." [shushes]
"Go do it."
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I was complaining too much.
I became the oddball.
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There was a sketch
where I played
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the youngest rapper
of all time,
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Lil' Fetus.
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Yo, yo, yo!
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Lil' Fetus in the womb, yeah!
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They were fitting me
for the Lil' Fetus role.
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And, essentially,
you're a fetus,
so you're naked.
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But, you know,
they had to put
a body suit on you.
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And, obviously,it has to be skin tone.
301
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Someone said the skin tone
should be charcoal.
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I started to get teary-eyed.
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Whoever was doing my makeup
at the time was kind of, like,
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hand on my shoulder, like,
"It's gonna be okay."
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Like, "Don't worry about that
[bleep] he just said."
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That was a momentwhere I felt like,
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"Oh, I could goget my mom about this."
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But also, I know my mom,
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and I knowthat she would have rose hell.
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I saw things differently
than everybody else.
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Now, ultimately,
I did try to tell his agent,
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'cause she called me.
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She's like, "Tracey, come on.
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Do it for Bryan.Just shut up."
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And I was like, "Yeah,
but things are weird here."
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[Koul] The person at the topsets the tonefor the entire production.
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If you run a show
dealing overwhelmingly
with children,
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then you are responsible
for creating an environment
where those kids feel
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beyond comfortable to tell you
that they're not comfortable.
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It needs to be so safethat your most vulnerableperson on set
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is able to say to you,
the most powerful
person there,
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"I don't wanna do this."
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[presenter] FromNickelodeon Studiosin Hollywood,
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-welcome to this week's
Snick On-Air Dare!
-[crowd cheering]
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The On Air Dares
were the Fear Factor
of Nickelodeon.
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We would be standingin these tube chambers.
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It was, like,
this ominous thing
that was deciding,
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"Who is it gonna be?"
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[child] Will it be Bryan,Kyle, or Chelsea?
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[Hearne] And then,it would be lights.
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And then, it would shine on,
332
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you know,
all the cast members,
and it would stop.
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[all] Bryan Hearne!
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Those were
particularly traumatic,
335
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,300
and they were, sort of,
designed to be.
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The whole idea was thatyou would have to dosomething scary on camera.
337
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And they got pretty scary.
338
00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:05,367
I did the peanut butter one.
339
00:18:05,367 --> 00:18:08,066
So, I had to be submergedin peanut butter.
340
00:18:08,066 --> 00:18:10,066
All right, lay him downon the floor!
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That was weird.
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-[child] Release the hounds!
-[Hearne] But then,the dogs come.
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I'm laying on the groundand, then, the dogs,
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they gotta lick peanut butteroff my body.
345
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That sounds like some kind of
awkward fantasy
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from some freaky dude.
347
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It was really uncomfortable.
I didn't like that.
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00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,667
And when you question it,
it's like,
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"But it's normal, isn't it?"
350
00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:36,233
Right? They begin to teach
the parents, "This is normal."
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I didn't need to have dogs
lick the peanut butter off.
352
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:45,166
Jack didn't needto be submergedin a pool of worms.
353
00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,667
I don't think that any of that
was necessary.
354
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There was, sort of,
this weird dynamic with it,
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where they were taking
something that,
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you know, existsin an adult context,like Fear Factor.
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[screaming]
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And, like, transmogrifying itinto kids.
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When you do that,
it's actually, like,
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an inappropriate thing to do.
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[Hearne] There wasa scorpion there!
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The thing that was
most uncomfortable
is having to watch
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your fellow castmates...
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be, essentially, tortured.
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[clamoring]
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If there's anything on set
that I wish
I could have yelled,
367
00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:30,066
"Stop! Let's not do this.
I'm out,"
368
00:19:30,066 --> 00:19:31,166
it's still On-Air Dares.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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00:19:32,266 --> 00:19:34,867
I think that peoplejust kinda look at us and go,
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"You made some money.
So what are you
complaining about?"
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00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:42,467
And, yeah, we collect
our money, sure.
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But at what cost?
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The environment on set
really matters
when we're talking about kids
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because, if they aren'tprotected, then they'revulnerable to much worse.
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-Hey, Anthony.
-[Anthony] Yes.
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-Do me a favor.
-[Anthony] Yes.
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[Taylor] As Dan grewmore powerful,
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he became
more verbally abusive,
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more aggressive,
more demanding of people.
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[Hearne] Dan's presencein the room can changethe vibe of the room.
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00:20:10,467 --> 00:20:14,600
Everybody would kind of
just be like, "Okay, shut up.
Shut up."
383
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,667
Dan would come down
and yell and scream.
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00:20:18,667 --> 00:20:20,266
There was many timeswhere I had to go,
385
00:20:20,266 --> 00:20:25,734
"Okay, you're creating
an atmosphere on this set
that is not healthy."
386
00:20:26,867 --> 00:20:29,333
I worked with Dan on All That.
387
00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:31,867
And then came The Amanda Show.
388
00:20:31,867 --> 00:20:34,400
And then came Drake and Josh.
389
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,967
When I worked with Dan,I felt like the barwas always being risen,
390
00:20:37,967 --> 00:20:41,000
and I had to reach that bar.
391
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You had to be
as good, or better,
or put more hours in,
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00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:47,734
or do longer things
than Dan did.
393
00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:50,567
And we all did it...
394
00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:52,433
or you got fired.
395
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:57,000
The edit bay was likea Starship Enterprise.
396
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Dan Schneider would sitin the very back row
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and make commentsthe whole time.
398
00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:04,033
And they were sometimes
very degrading.
399
00:21:04,767 --> 00:21:06,567
He would nottalk to me directly.
400
00:21:06,567 --> 00:21:09,300
He would say
to his associate producer,
401
00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:13,367
"Tell her to make
this certain edit."
Or, "Tell her to trim this."
402
00:21:13,367 --> 00:21:17,667
Or, "Tell her to, you know,
start over," or "Better take."
403
00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:21,100
Dan was a golden child
at the time,
404
00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:24,567
and there was always
the next show, the next show.
405
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:29,467
He would run to the mailbox
on Monday mornings
and get the Nielsen ratings.
406
00:21:29,467 --> 00:21:32,400
I think it puta lot of pressure on Dan
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to maintainsome kind of number.
408
00:21:35,967 --> 00:21:40,367
[Thompson] I would be editingfrom 8:00 a.m. to midnight.
409
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You didn't eat,
you didn't go to the bathroom.
410
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,433
Dan would be like,
411
00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:48,200
"Wait. Wait a minute."
You know? "Can you hold it?
Can you wait a minute?"
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00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:54,066
So, every day
was constant pressure
to get things done
413
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faster, faster, faster.
414
00:21:56,767 --> 00:21:59,000
One day, I keeled over,
415
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,667
and I ended up
having to go to the hospital.
416
00:22:01,667 --> 00:22:04,567
And, as I'm leaving
and curled over,
417
00:22:04,567 --> 00:22:08,700
I could hear someone say...
418
00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:12,166
"How is the show
going to get finished?"
419
00:22:12,166 --> 00:22:15,767
And I just remember saying,
"I'll be right back!" [laughs]
420
00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:17,567
"I'll be right back."
421
00:22:19,567 --> 00:22:23,266
And then, he promised me a job
and didn't give it to me.
422
00:22:23,266 --> 00:22:27,567
Not only was this job
that Dan promised me
given to someone else,
423
00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:30,367
it was a younger man
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00:22:30,367 --> 00:22:32,400
who had
no experience. [chuckling]
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00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,967
I was livid.
426
00:22:34,967 --> 00:22:38,834
I got up out of my chairand I never came back.
427
00:22:40,166 --> 00:22:44,567
I had enough of promises
from Dan that didn't
come true.
428
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,300
[Fabian] He was justan egomaniac.
429
00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:56,600
You know, when everybody
is just kissing your butt,
430
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,500
and the money's crazy,
431
00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,600
yeah, how do you avoid that?
I don't know
how you avoid that.
432
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,000
In the end,
I was going through a disaster
in my marriage,
433
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,066
and I was not on my game.
434
00:23:09,266 --> 00:23:11,767
And he never pulled me aside
435
00:23:11,767 --> 00:23:15,500
and said, "Hey, man.
Talk to me. What's going on?"
436
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:19,100
Instead of giving me the note,he would play little gameson the set,
437
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:20,934
almost trying
to get me to quit.
438
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,867
I was doing an episodeof All That.
439
00:23:24,867 --> 00:23:28,200
We were in the middle
of rehearsals,
440
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,200
and Virgil got madat something.
441
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,767
I don't know
what the exchange was
or what happened.
442
00:23:34,767 --> 00:23:36,667
The stage manager came to me
and said,
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00:23:36,667 --> 00:23:39,467
"You can go. We'll shoot itand it'll be fine."
444
00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:41,700
I was like, "Okay.
445
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:45,567
If Dan wants me to go,
then have Dan come over here
and tell me that."
446
00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,266
And she said, "Look, man.
447
00:23:48,266 --> 00:23:49,533
You can go."
448
00:23:50,567 --> 00:23:52,800
I really considered Dana friend.
449
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,200
And the way it ended,
and the way
he didn't talk to me,
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00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,667
yeah, bothered me.
451
00:23:58,667 --> 00:23:59,767
A lot.
452
00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:00,867
To this day.
453
00:24:01,567 --> 00:24:02,734
Yeah.
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00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:06,900
[Samuels] When Virgil left,
455
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,266
you definitely felta difference,
456
00:24:09,266 --> 00:24:12,266
'cause Virgil
was always fighting for us,
457
00:24:12,266 --> 00:24:15,166
going to bat for us,
making sure we were okay.
458
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,166
Virgil was very goodabout that.
459
00:24:19,767 --> 00:24:22,100
[Hearne] I was excitedto start my third season.
460
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,767
I thought my dream
of being able
to take my family,
461
00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:27,800
quite literally, out the hood
was on its way.
462
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,567
I kind of knew by this time
I was the real problem.
463
00:24:31,567 --> 00:24:34,467
Dan treated Bryan
464
00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:36,266
with caution.
465
00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:38,066
Like, he side-eyed him.
466
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,500
And so, we're in New York Cityexpecting to go back.
467
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,834
We get a call from the agent.
She was like, "Come down."
468
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,266
[train rumbling]
469
00:24:49,266 --> 00:24:50,800
[elevator dings]
470
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,567
And she told me
471
00:24:52,567 --> 00:24:55,066
Bryan wasn't being
invited back.
472
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,266
[Hearne] I was crying...
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00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:03,100
because I'm 13, 14,
and I've built this family,
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00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,867
and now, I'm not a part
of the family anymore?
475
00:25:04,867 --> 00:25:07,567
Like, dang, I didn't even
get to say goodbye
to my people.
476
00:25:07,567 --> 00:25:09,867
Like my Gio, my Jack, my Kyle.
477
00:25:09,867 --> 00:25:12,500
Like, when am I gonnasee them again?
478
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,166
I definitely blamed myself,
but I also kind of
felt like...
479
00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:19,266
the times that my mom was,you know, raising hell,
480
00:25:19,266 --> 00:25:21,900
that, maybe,
that had a lot to do with
481
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,900
the collective
decision to kick me off.
482
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:25,834
It was "Get them out of here!"
483
00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:27,967
And that's Hollywood.
484
00:25:27,967 --> 00:25:30,066
But I wasn't prepared
for that.
485
00:25:33,266 --> 00:25:36,166
[Brown sobbing] The daythat we were told...
486
00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:42,467
in that moment, he grew up,
and his body language
showed it.
487
00:25:42,467 --> 00:25:45,367
Just showed this man
protruding out,
488
00:25:45,367 --> 00:25:49,266
and that's a man
that didn't trust
his mom anymore.
489
00:25:49,266 --> 00:25:50,767
It ruined us.
490
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,400
[voice breaking] And you can't
get that...
491
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,834
Like, the moment,
you can't get it back.
492
00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:03,100
[Hearne] Getting kickedoff the show definitely wasthe stage-setter
493
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:06,166
for a lot of issuesthat I still face today.
494
00:26:06,166 --> 00:26:08,800
As a Black man in therapy,
495
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,667
a lot of issues
that I'm currently overcoming.
496
00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:14,367
But I feel like everything
happens for a reason.
497
00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:15,300
You know what I mean?
498
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,300
Maybe I wasn't supposed to beon set anymore.
499
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:24,667
[Brown] I had no ideawhat I was saving my son from.
500
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,433
It was a house of horrors.
501
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:28,367
No kidding.
502
00:26:28,367 --> 00:26:30,634
House of horrors.
503
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,100
[newscaster] Van Nuys divisionofficers have arrestedthe suspected child predator,
504
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,500
28-year-oldJason Michael Handyof Sherman Oaks.
505
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,500
Handy has connectionsto the TV industry...
506
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:44,166
-[phone ringing]
-[MJ] Phone rang and it wasa woman on the other line.
507
00:26:44,166 --> 00:26:49,266
She announced herself
as a detective
from the LA police department.
508
00:26:49,266 --> 00:26:53,700
And she said, "We'd liketo speak with Brandiabout Jason Handy.
509
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,667
Are you familiarwith that name?"
510
00:26:56,667 --> 00:27:01,266
And I said,
"I am very familiar
with that name."
511
00:27:01,266 --> 00:27:03,166
[tense instrumental music]
512
00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:04,767
[Samuels] Jason Handy,
513
00:27:04,767 --> 00:27:07,867
he looked like a goofywhite boy from Nebraska.
514
00:27:07,867 --> 00:27:09,600
[laughs]
515
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,467
"Hey, guys, how you doing?
516
00:27:11,467 --> 00:27:13,667
Okay, We're going to sit now."
517
00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:16,400
Jason was a regular member
of the crew.
518
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,634
He even appeared on screenat the end of a numberof episodes.
519
00:27:21,967 --> 00:27:26,266
Jason Handy was a PA,
production assistant.
520
00:27:26,266 --> 00:27:29,500
I remember him
being a pretty nice kid.
521
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,367
[Sullivan] He was around a lot
522
00:27:32,367 --> 00:27:34,767
because, as the PA,
523
00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:36,967
like, it was his job
524
00:27:36,967 --> 00:27:40,200
to basically walk the kids
around the set,
525
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,533
often outside of the presenceof their parents.
526
00:27:45,367 --> 00:27:47,100
There's Jason.
527
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,767
Lisa and I would have
Bible study on set,
and Jason would join us.
528
00:27:50,767 --> 00:27:55,867
He appeared to bethis really nice,genuine person.
529
00:27:55,867 --> 00:28:00,700
I had people
write notes to me,
like a yearbook.
530
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,066
And this is Jason.
531
00:28:03,066 --> 00:28:06,300
"Keep your trust in God
and don't forget me.
532
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:11,500
You and all the kids
are why I work for free
half the week.
533
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,734
I love you. Jason."
534
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:18,400
Law enforcement
had been tipped off
535
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,667
about Jason Handy's
inappropriate behavior
towards children.
536
00:28:21,667 --> 00:28:22,433
[police siren wailing]
537
00:28:22,433 --> 00:28:25,266
So, in 2003,they searched his home.
538
00:28:25,266 --> 00:28:29,867
They find this enormous trove
of child pornography.
539
00:28:31,567 --> 00:28:33,867
"Over 10,000 imagesof children,
540
00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:39,000
including 1,768 imagesof young girlsin erotic poses,
541
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,467
238 images of young girlsin sexually explicit poses,
542
00:28:43,467 --> 00:28:47,467
and two images
of girls engaged in
"bondage activity".
543
00:28:47,467 --> 00:28:50,100
One of the CDs included
seven video files of minors
544
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,367
engaged in sexually
explicit conduct.
545
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,300
The officer said,
"We found Ziploc bags,
546
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,100
each one
with a girl's name on it,
547
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,634
and each Ziploc bag had...
548
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,400
some kind of token in it."
549
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,467
And she said that, "The reason
I'm calling is we found
a Ziploc bag
550
00:29:12,467 --> 00:29:14,066
with Brandi's name on it.
551
00:29:15,266 --> 00:29:19,433
And there were lettersfrom her in that Ziploc bag."
552
00:29:22,467 --> 00:29:27,166
She had started describingsome of the other bagsand what were in them.
553
00:29:27,166 --> 00:29:29,266
There was a Ziploc bag...
554
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:33,266
with a girl's name on it.
555
00:29:33,266 --> 00:29:37,433
She was seven years old
and it was a pair
of her underwear in that bag.
556
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,200
She started telling me
that a lot of parents
557
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,166
did not wanna be involved
in the investigation,
558
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:49,066
and they said
we would really like to speak
with Brandi.
559
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,934
I didn't want peopleto lay the blame on herin any way.
560
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,900
But my decisionin allowing Brandito talk with the detectives
561
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,800
was that we would find justice
for her,
562
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,767
and that we would get closure.
563
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:13,600
[Taylor] One of the mostdisturbing thingsthat law enforcement found
564
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,100
when they searched
Jason Handy's home
was Handy's own journals,
565
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:22,533
where he spells out
how he feels
about these young children.
566
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,767
"I am a pedophile, full blown.
567
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,266
I really have been giving in
to my desire for little girls
these past few weeks."
568
00:30:32,266 --> 00:30:35,000
And, "I even struggle
on a day to day basis
569
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,266
of how I can find a victimto rape if I have to."
570
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,533
[MJ] Eventually, Brandihad to go to courtand testify against him.
571
00:30:48,166 --> 00:30:51,000
There wasanother family there.
572
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,867
Their daughter was there
to testify against Jason.
573
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,867
They fell into his trap also.
574
00:30:59,166 --> 00:31:02,700
It went a little bit furtheron their end.
575
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,367
Jason Handy meets another girl
on a different
Nickelodeon show,
576
00:31:06,367 --> 00:31:07,634
Cousin Skeeter.
577
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,000
She was just a guest staron the show.
578
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,100
They became friendly and...
579
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,667
on one day in the spring
or summer of 2000,
580
00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:17,500
when the girl
was nine years old,
581
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,834
she and Jason Handy
were playing video games
in her bedroom.
582
00:31:25,367 --> 00:31:27,467
He kissed her twiceand, on the second kiss,
583
00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,467
he tried to force his tongue
inside her mouth.
584
00:31:29,467 --> 00:31:32,333
She backed away,
feeling uncomfortable
about the kisses.
585
00:31:37,467 --> 00:31:40,700
He told her
not to tell her mother
about the kisses.
586
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,700
He had also told
this young girl,
587
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:47,767
"I can get youon other shows."
588
00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:50,767
So, there wasthat promise of...
589
00:31:50,767 --> 00:31:55,033
he's going to take her farin this business.
590
00:31:56,967 --> 00:32:00,066
[Taylor] Ultimately, Jasonwas sentenced to six years
591
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:04,700
on two felony countsand one misdemeanorinvolving two girls,
592
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:06,166
one of whom was Brandi.
593
00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:07,900
-[man] Brandi!
-[woman] Hi!
594
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,367
-[cooing]
-Hello, Brandi!
595
00:32:10,367 --> 00:32:17,433
I no longer trusted
anybody with children
in this industry.
596
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:22,734
I felt abandoned.
597
00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:27,567
There was never any apology
598
00:32:27,567 --> 00:32:31,433
to Brandi herselffor what happened.
599
00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:34,300
[solemn instrumental music]
600
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,834
Everything got sweptunder the rug.
601
00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:41,667
[Sullivan] He was gone.He was disappeared.
602
00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:45,467
And folks talked about ita little bit.
603
00:32:45,467 --> 00:32:49,100
But there's this sort of,
like, steamroller effect
604
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:52,834
of the pressure
of the environment...
605
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,233
that the show must go on.
606
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,667
[Taylor] Jason was arrestedin April of 2003.
607
00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:06,667
Just four months later,another member of the crewwas arrested.
608
00:33:06,667 --> 00:33:10,200
Wait! Two pedophiles?
What is that?
609
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,333
What is that?
610
00:33:16,266 --> 00:33:19,166
Look, there's Brian Peck,
611
00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:21,367
AKA Pickle Boy.
612
00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:26,433
[presenter] Pickle Boylikes to hurtand tease pickles.
613
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,867
[canned laughter]
614
00:33:28,867 --> 00:33:31,967
Pickle Boy was this,
like, character
615
00:33:31,967 --> 00:33:36,266
that returned again
and again and again
616
00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:39,000
throughout the seasons
of All That.
617
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,300
Pickle Boy appeared
in every episode,
618
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,400
and he's often
interacting with a celebrity.
619
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600
-[Ray Romano] Hello!
-[canned laughter]
620
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,967
Anyone?
621
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,066
I gotta get something to eat!
622
00:33:50,066 --> 00:33:52,166
[canned laughter]
623
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,133
A pickle.
624
00:33:59,767 --> 00:34:01,433
[Samuels] We justwent with it.
625
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,567
Pickles? Look, this is
the mind of Dan Schneider.
You gotta ask him.
626
00:34:06,567 --> 00:34:08,467
There was this referencing
to like,
627
00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:12,066
"Oh, yeah! Dan just has
a weird sense of humor."
628
00:34:12,066 --> 00:34:13,667
That was like...
629
00:34:13,667 --> 00:34:16,367
"The pickles don't look
like penises to you?"
630
00:34:16,367 --> 00:34:18,667
[canned laughter]
631
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,533
[moans]
632
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,567
[Sullivan] This isa children's television show.
633
00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:27,867
Wait, why is this in the show?
What is...
634
00:34:27,867 --> 00:34:30,767
What is the joke here exactly?
635
00:34:30,767 --> 00:34:32,767
There's this weird element
of, like,
636
00:34:32,767 --> 00:34:36,333
they all were able to, like,pull a fast oneand get away with it.
637
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:40,000
And that's, like,
a part of the joke.
638
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,667
[Taylor] Brian Peckworked closely with Danas this dialogue coach.
639
00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:48,100
And Brian is seen as this guy
on set who's just helping
with the kids.
640
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,700
He's very much one of the cogs
in the Dan Schneider machine.
641
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:54,500
I'll see you in hell!
642
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,300
Brian first connected
with Dan's World
643
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,467
playing small rolesin Good Burger
and Kenan and Kel.
644
00:34:59,467 --> 00:35:01,567
Let's get these ballsa bouncin'.
645
00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:03,266
And there are these
behind-the-scenes clips
646
00:35:03,266 --> 00:35:06,166
where you see Brian Peckjoking around on set.
647
00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:10,100
I... I'm not just Pickle Boy,
but I'm also
a trained professional
648
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,300
who works here
on the set of All That.
649
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,100
You can tell by my very
important-looking headset.
650
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,100
I'm sorry. Hang on.
651
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,900
Yeah, do you want fries
with that?
652
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:22,000
Everybody loved Brian.
653
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,166
He was charming,he was clever,
654
00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:27,266
and he was around
all the time.
655
00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:29,200
We played foosball with Brian.
656
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,166
We played Nintendo with Brian.
657
00:35:32,166 --> 00:35:33,567
He was funny.
658
00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:36,400
It's also important to note,
like, all the parents
loved him, too.
659
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Like, everybody trusted Brian.
660
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,266
[Samuels] I would walkon Brian's back.
661
00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:44,767
I guess, looking at it now
as an adult,
662
00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,734
that was kind of weird.
663
00:35:48,767 --> 00:35:52,367
"Hey, Giovonnie, thank you
for walking on my back.
664
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,700
It really cut down
on my chiropractic
bills." [laughing]
665
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:59,600
[Taylor] But there are momentswhere Brian joking aroundon set
666
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,367
feels a little bit off.
667
00:36:03,667 --> 00:36:05,133
Later, Kyle.
668
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,867
[Samuels] But we were therefor so many hours,
669
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:10,867
you'd get comfortablewith people...
670
00:36:16,667 --> 00:36:17,767
until you're not.
671
00:36:20,967 --> 00:36:23,100
[Sullivan] I remember,at the time,
672
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,767
I think it was about, like,two and a half years in,
673
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:30,266
everyone went to Brian's house
for a barbecue.
674
00:36:30,266 --> 00:36:32,467
And his house
was a little off.
675
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,600
He had a room
that was just dedicated
to, like,
676
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,900
vintage toys and comic books,
677
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:45,133
and he converted his garageinto, like, a Planet
of the Apes shrine.
678
00:36:46,467 --> 00:36:51,767
I noticed a paintingin the roomthat stuck out to me
679
00:36:51,767 --> 00:36:54,600
because it had nothing to dowith Planet of the Apes.
680
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,166
It was of a birthday clownholding balloons.
681
00:36:58,166 --> 00:37:01,166
And Brian got very excited
when I asked him about it.
682
00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:04,967
He flipped the thing around
and, on the back, it said,
683
00:37:04,967 --> 00:37:08,800
"To Brian, I hope you enjoy
the painting.
684
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,667
Best wishes.
Your friend, John Wayne Gacy."
685
00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:15,266
[ominous instrumental music]
686
00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:18,467
It was a self-portraitof serial killerJohn Wayne Gacy.
687
00:37:18,467 --> 00:37:19,767
[camera shutter clicking]
688
00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:23,867
At this point, I'm, like, 14.
689
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:26,867
I didn't know, like,
the details,
690
00:37:26,867 --> 00:37:29,300
but I knew, like, this guyis a [bleep] serial killer
691
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,667
who, like, killed
a lot of young men and boys.
692
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:36,467
My instinct was, like,
everyone has to see this.
693
00:37:36,467 --> 00:37:39,467
And so, like, all the parentsand the kidscome into the room.
694
00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:42,233
And, then, Brian presentsthe painting again.
695
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:48,000
And Brian actually developeda pen pal relationshipwith John.
696
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,367
He kept, like, this pile
of letters and photos
from John Wayne Gacy
697
00:37:54,367 --> 00:37:56,100
in his nightstand
next to his bed.
698
00:37:56,100 --> 00:38:01,500
And he, like, pulls them out
and starts showing them to me.
699
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:04,367
Your instinctis to give someonethe benefit of the doubt
700
00:38:04,367 --> 00:38:06,400
if you've known themfor that long,
701
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,900
even in the face of, like,
this really bad sign.
702
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:15,400
It was one of those,
like, classic failures
of group psychology,
703
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,200
this man who is, like, trusted
704
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,667
as basically a supervisorof kids...
705
00:38:22,567 --> 00:38:23,834
is not safe.
706
00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:29,400
It was probably just, like,several months after this.
707
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,734
One Monday morning,we have the table read.
708
00:38:34,266 --> 00:38:37,266
That table read was so weird.
709
00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:40,567
The energy was really off.
710
00:38:40,567 --> 00:38:43,266
[Sullivan] There were peoplethat I had not seen before.
711
00:38:43,266 --> 00:38:47,367
And after we, like,
do the table read, Dan says,
712
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:51,867
"Would it be possiblefor the parents to leavethe room for a moment
713
00:38:51,867 --> 00:38:54,667
so that our friends
can talk to the kids?"
714
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:57,266
We thought
it was an announcement.
715
00:38:57,266 --> 00:39:00,967
Like, "Hey, we're gonna
go over some stuff."
716
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,467
[Sullivan] And this happensjust after Brian Peckis arrested
717
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:09,266
on 11 chargesof child sexual abuse.
718
00:39:09,266 --> 00:39:11,333
[tense instrumental music]
719
00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:20,467
And these charges
are related to a child actor.
720
00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,367
[Samuels] We were like, "What?
721
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,433
Are you sure? Brian Peck?"
722
00:39:32,467 --> 00:39:35,266
[Sullivan] And, then,these guys
723
00:39:35,266 --> 00:39:39,266
said something to the effectof, like, "Brian isn't gonnabe here anymore.
724
00:39:39,266 --> 00:39:42,634
Does anyone have anything
they'd like to say?"
725
00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:50,600
That was one of the mostawkward silences of my life.
726
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,000
Everyone was, like,
looking at everyone else.
727
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,867
Basically wondering, like,
is someone gonna admit
728
00:39:54,867 --> 00:39:58,467
that, like, they were abused
by Brian?
729
00:39:58,467 --> 00:40:00,867
Thinking about it now,
as an adult,
730
00:40:00,867 --> 00:40:03,567
and having the parents
leave the room...
731
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:06,834
that was a little sus.
732
00:40:09,567 --> 00:40:15,900
[Sullivan] At the time,that experiencewas really disillusioning.
733
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:20,567
It left a lasting impact on me
in terms of how
the world works.
734
00:40:21,867 --> 00:40:24,300
[Samuels] We go through enoughas child actors,
735
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,100
and for us to not feel like
we have a voice,
736
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,667
that's worse...
737
00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:32,333
'Cause you don't knowwho you're supposed to trust.
738
00:40:34,567 --> 00:40:39,467
After this, like,
very awkward pregnant pause,
739
00:40:39,467 --> 00:40:43,467
the lawyerly fellowswere like, "Okay,thank you very much."
740
00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:45,667
And, then, Dan was like,
"All right!"
741
00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:49,333
And then, everyone got up,
and that was that.
742
00:40:57,867 --> 00:41:01,000
[Hearne] To hearthat Brian Peckwas a sexual predator,
743
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,867
it made me wonder
immediately about...
744
00:41:05,967 --> 00:41:09,367
who was being hurt.
745
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:14,500
Who it is, when it happened,
where it happened,
746
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:16,967
I have no idea.
747
00:41:16,967 --> 00:41:20,400
It wasn't dealing with anybody
on the shows
or anything, right?
748
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,834
[producer] It was
a child actor.
749
00:41:22,467 --> 00:41:24,266
On one of our shows?
750
00:41:24,266 --> 00:41:25,433
[producer] Yes.
751
00:41:32,867 --> 00:41:34,166
[sighs]
752
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:41,066
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