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[BIRDS AND INSECTS CHIRPING]
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[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING]
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SETH: I'm Seth Breedlove.
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I make movies about strange
and unusual subjects.
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In 2015,
I made a documentary
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about an unknown
creature sighting
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which occurred near the village
of Whitehall, New York,
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called the Beast of Whitehall.
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That story had introduced me
to a region of the country
I'd never been to before,
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and one that's
frequently overlooked
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even by East Coasters
like myself...
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the Adirondacks.
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In the years
since the film was released,
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I constantly found myself
longing to go back.
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In March of 2020,
the United States
was wracked by a virus
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that had closed down
large swaths of the country.
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Political leaders
and talking heads
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urged people to stay indoors
and avoid the outside world.
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As COVID-19 made its way
around the world,
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I spent time at home
with my family
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and put my energy into work
I could do from home.
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Despite loving
the newfound abundance
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of time I had to spend
with my wife and son,
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I miss the adventure
and excitement
of being on the road,
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filming documentaries
in new places,
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and the hours I got
to spend in the forests.
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So, while the rest of the world
pondered a future
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full of quarantines
and four walls,
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I began to make plans
for a journey
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that I would take
with my friends Mark Matzke,
Mark's son Andy,
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and Adam Duggan.
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It would be a trip
that would reunite me
with the natural world...
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and one that would take me back
to a subject
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I've been locked away from
for nearly three months.
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The search for Bigfoot.
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[DISTORTED VOICES]
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[INAUDIBLE]
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[INAUDIBLE]
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[INAUDIBLE]
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The Adirondack region
of Upstate New York
is sprawling.
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When I first came here in 2015,
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I was completely unprepared
for what I found.
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A wilderness that stretches
beyond the horizon
with pine forests,
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endless rivers and streams,
and distant mountains.
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Once we'd reached the park,
we met up with
Aleksandar Petakov,
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a friend
and frequent collaborator
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who moonlights as an adventurer
and explorer
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when he isn't spending time
working on various
documentary projects.
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When I described
this expedition to Aleks
and the rest of the crew,
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I explained that we were
going to Upstate New York
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to explore one of the largest
wild areas on the East Coast,
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and one of the largest
protected forests
in the United States.
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We weren't simply
going to find Bigfoot,
or evidence of the creature.
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In fact, I was already
firmly in the camp
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that they could,
and very probably,
did exist here,
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if they existed anywhere.
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The mission was two-fold,
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and while Bigfoot
made up one part,
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the other was something
I couldn't quite explain.
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It was an idea,
an idea that even to this day,
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I'm struggling
to put into words.
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It involves nature
and man's desire
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to be among the trees
and streams and mountains.
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It's about Bigfoot
as a driving force
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to reconnect
with the world outside
when we most need it.
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And what better place
to reconnect
with the natural world
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than a place
who's serene beauty
and rugged landscapes
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seem painted
onto a blank canvas?
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[BIRDS CHIRPING]
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The Northeast has a rich history
of historical accounts,
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if you want to attribute
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a lot of the early wild man
sort of stories to Bigfoot.
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New York Bigfoot reports
go back a long way,
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certainly to the days
of the Native Americans,
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in which they were called
Wendigo or stone giants...
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uh, that's what
the Iroquois called them.
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In more recent times,
after the settlers arrived,
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newspaper reports
began to emerge
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of wild man sightings
in New York State,
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especially in the Adirondacks,
where there was a lot of
wilderness and still is.
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So, if you were to
use a search engine
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and look for
Bigfoot-type reports,
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you wouldn't put "Bigfoot,"
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you would put "creature"
or "weird bear" or "wild man."
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And if you put "wild man" in,
you will get tons of hits.
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As far as history goes,
I try and remain skeptical
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because when it comes
to newspapers,
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those are reporters,
they're trying to sell a paper.
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But at the same time,
there are other
historical accounts,
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like, take
Theodore Roosevelt's account,
for example.
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He talks about a friend he had
who saw a creature
that looked a lot like Bigfoot.
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So, I try and remain skeptical
when I hear stories like this.
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So, we have various cases
and some are kind of celebrated.
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We have the Vermont governor
named Jonas Galusha,
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and he was able to actually
lead searching parties
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after a creature called
Old Slipperyskin,
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and that was in the 1770s,
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and what he was banking on
was that if he brought
this creature in,
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it would win him the election.
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And he didn't, and it didn't.
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In one of the earliest
encounters, really,
that's recorded at least,
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uh, in a non-oral sort of
Native tradition, would've been
in Massachusetts.
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There were...
there was a sighting,
I believe in the 1760s,
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well before America
was even really a country.
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It's interesting that you have
that back story
all throughout this area.
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PAUL: And you have these flaps
of wild man sightings
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going from the, uh, 1770s
right up to, you know,
the 1920s or so.
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Throughout all of human history,
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there've been these incidences
of monstrous creatures.
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These, sort of, liminal beings,
whether it's trolls or ogres,
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and they tend to inhabit
the forests and the swamps
and... And the mountains,
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notably sort of
outside civilization.
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And so, you've got
sort of two tropes.
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Either the monster, like in...
Like Grendel and Beowulf...
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comes from the, sort of outside
into the civilized space
and causes problems.
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The other trope
is human beings that go
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too far beyond
the civilized space
into the wild
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where they either
encounter a monster,
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or they undergo
some kind of trauma
that makes them into a monster.
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Throughout all of human history,
there's been
this kind of dynamic
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between the civilized space
and the wild and the monsters
that it contains,
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and sort of a
necessary separation
between the two.
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[RAVEN CROAKING]
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SETH: It's important
to understand the layout
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of the northeast portion
of the United States
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because the geography
and terrain of the area
plays a key role
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in where these creatures
are seen.
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While southern New York
is known for being fertile,
flat, pasture land,
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the northern part of the state
is rugged and wild,
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with only the occasional
major metropolitan areas
such as Albany
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breaking up
the acres and acres of forest.
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The northernmost part
of the Adirondacks
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is defined by a section called
the High Peaks Wilderness.
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While I had visited
the Adirondack Park
three previous times,
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I'd never managed
to make it to this area.
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So, I set aside
the final two days of our trek
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to work our way
to the High Peaks.
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To the east of the Adirondacks
lies Vermont,
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where the Adirondacks
spill into the Green Mountains,
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and to the Northeast,
New Hampshire, where you have
the White Mountains,
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another untamed,
rugged wilderness,
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though one not quite
a sprawling as the Adirondacks.
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To the southeast
is Western Massachusetts,
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another destination
we would soon visit.
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All of these areas
are connected
by forests and streams,
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which, if there's anything
I've learned
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in my brief time involved
in the search for Bigfoot,
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it's that they always
follow the creeks.
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[SHOUTS]
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Did you hit your head already?
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Dude, this thing is nuts.
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This is as far as it goes, bud.
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I mean, it doesn't look like
it's been carved.
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-It's smooth over here,
like, it's really smooth.
-Yeah.
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These are called
drip mine's rust.
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[INDISTINCT TALKING]
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The, the... first time
I came in here,
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like the thing that's crazy
to me about the Adirondacks
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is you don't... I don't think
you hear as much
about this area...
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but having been
in like the Pacific Northwest
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and like the Olympic Peninsula
and all that stuff,
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there's a lot of similarities
between the two,
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in that you've got this,
like huge, vast...
essentially like an ecosystem
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where things can exist
and live off the land
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and no one has to know
anything's here.
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It's like you can stick
five of the biggest
national parks
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-within the boundaries of...
-Right.
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...of this park.
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I've heard Yosemite,
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-this is bigger than Yosemite,
this whole area.
-Mmm-hmm.
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Here you have New York,
but it's like still
a four-hour drive from the city.
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So, uh, that's why I think
you do hear some of these
reports from this area.
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Just always been
really interesting to me.
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I've never really had
a chance to explore it
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aside from Whitehall
on the, kind of, periphery,
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so, really exciting,
just be here
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and see
all the different wildlife...
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and, kind of,
what similarities it has
to other areas,
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but how different it is, too.
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The thing I was surprised by,
and probably
shouldn't have been,
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is the fact that
there's a lot of lakes
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just interspersed
between the peaks,
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and that when you said
about the Pacific Northwest,
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that's what reminded me
of that, as well.
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When I started Adirondacks,
I just thought...
like, Great Smokys,
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-you know,
like mountains rising up.
-Yeah.
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I didn't realize
the lake system
that was here, as well.
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So many water sources,
lots of fish,
that sort of stuff, and...
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It's interesting because
it's... It's...
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It's more dense
than I thought it would be.
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The forest floor is,
there's a lot of cover.
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There's a ton of cover.
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And we were talking
as we were driving into,
like, it is...
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it is really, really dense.
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Coming from Tennessee,
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like, we have lots of forests,
but it's... It's not like this.
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I mean, there could be
some animal, right,
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20 feet in that tree line
right there just watching us.
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We'd have absolutely no idea
'cause you can't see
that far in.
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Yeah.
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SETH: It was day one,
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and despite a hike
deep into the forest
near Wells, New York,
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we'd barely experienced
the true scope of the park.
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Our next stop was
somewhere near
Lake George,
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where we would meet up
with Steve Kulls
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and some of his
Bigfoot research team.
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Steve is a private detective
and security expert
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who runs an organization
comprised mostly of current
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and former
law enforcement officials,
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many of whom have encountered
Bigfoot for themselves.
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Steve took us to a camp
on Buck Mountain
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where his team had experienced
numerous unusual things.
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We were only a handful of miles
away from Whitehall,
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and in terms of travel paths,
Buck Mountain seems
as good a place as any
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to encounter a creature
just passing through.
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Despite the nearby tourist
haven of Lake George,
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Buck Mountain
is densely forested,
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runs down to
a mostly uninhabited section
of Lake George shoreline
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and is overrun
with deer and other wildlife.
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Like most rural spots
in this part of the Northeast,
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it's the ideal place
for a person to encounter
a Sasquatch,
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and many claim to have done
just that.
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Um... what brings you out here?
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Well, what brought me
out here, originally,
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was a sighting report
of a man and his wife
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that had a fairly
aggressive encounter
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where they walked off trail...
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and something started
screaming at them.
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And the guy had been
coming up here for years
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and never heard
anything like that.
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He was a bit of an outdoorsman.
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As they retreated
from where they were,
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going back to the trail
and then back out
to the road area,
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they... he could see
something moving, you know,
off to the corner of his eye.
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You know, basically,
escorting them out.
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And to me,
that's very indicative
that they may have interfered
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with a territorial type of...
Of area.
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MICHAEL: You know, I've been up
in the Adirondacks,
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where I've come across
trackways
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and found an adult...
What would be
an adult-sized trackway
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with a juvenile-sized
trackway. At the end,
there's hair.
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So, we know we have
two different size individuals
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moving through that area.
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The generally, the Adirondack...
uh... You know,
that's something...
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I got a sighting that...
yesterday, up in
the St. Lawrence County area,
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uh, from another
law enforcement officer.
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Family has been smelling odors.
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They did some knocks.
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They got some screams.
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But I got quite a few photos
and got some other evidence
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that make it look like
it's a viable area.
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In 2011, I was up here
with my team
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and we were all sitting by,
by the fire.
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I needed to get some batteries
for my headlamp.
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So, I went out to my car.
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And, uh, you know...
sometimes I like to
just walk away and listen.
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Uh, I know their strategies.
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They like watching us.
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That's why we have
those types of sightings
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where they're off on the...
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the... the edge of the forest,
watching people do things.
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And I shined my flashlight
down to the north side
of the road.
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And then I spun around
to the south side of the road,
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which is at an uphill grade,
and they're standing there...
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uh, right next
to the utility pole was
this eight-foot dark creature.
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I could see...
its eye shine was
reflecting back at me,
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and the first thing it did
was turn around...
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kind of... it kind of
turned its body and looked...
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and I think it was looking
for an escape route,
just in case.
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Now, mind you,
I'm shining a light
in its face,
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or, you know,
at a distance of...
of maybe 100-150 feet.
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Uh... you know, time slows down.
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So, it could have been...
I thought it was 40 seconds.
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It could have been longer,
could have been shorter,
I don't know,
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but I shook the light,
and with that it turned,
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and it started to walk
back into the woods
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around the south side
of our camp.
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What are some of the...
the things you've experienced,
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or been a part of experiencing
during some of those
investigations
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or night ops,
or whatever you want to...
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[SIGHS] You know, I've been
paced out of the woods
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with a couple
other, uh, investigators.
283
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The rock throwing incident.
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Sometimes I sit
on the skeptic side,
and then...
285
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bam, I got hit in the face
with something.
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Literally,
the rock throwing incident,
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I was leaning
over the top of our car,
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while another investigator
was pulling a camera
out of his car to get it set up.
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Another investigator,
in the front of the car,
working with night vision...
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and boom, one rock in the face,
291
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another one skidded
across the roof of the car.
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I'm moving around the car
going to get the thermal camera
out to get that set up.
293
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We can hear thumps.
294
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Can't get thermal camera on
fast enough to get to
that particular area.
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SETH: It had been a long day,
but a real purpose
in coming to this area
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with Steve and his crew
was to actively try to have
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an encounter with Bigfoot
for ourselves.
298
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Our night investigation
consisted of two parts.
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Part one was a simple walk
down the forested gravel road
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that leads up to
the parking lot
near our campsite.
301
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Yeah. Can you give us a rundown
real quick of what
we're about to go do?
302
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Okay, yeah, so, what we're doing
is sending a team out
to walk the road.
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-There's been times
we've been out here before...
-SETH: Mmm-hmm.
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STEVE: ...where we've
been paralleled,
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actually on both
sides of the roads at times.
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-SETH: Mmm-hmm.
-Uh, we actually repeated that
307
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on the same night
with another team.
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So, the whole idea is,
send that one team up.
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We're going to stay here
in base camp
with a flare and monitor.
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We have to always make sure
that they think
they're in control.
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So, if you see, I'm gonna lead,
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um, with Austin and Fred.
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-Mike's gonna probably stay back
with you guys.
-[CAR HORN HONKS]
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-Um...
-Yeah.
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Mike, I'm just telling 'em.
what we're gonna do is
we're gonna walk for a while
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-and we're gonna pause
and observe.
-MICHAEL: Okay.
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And when we pause,
it's important for everybody
to be quiet.
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-Okay.
-Let's go.
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SETH: We wandered
down the gravel road
about a half mile,
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stopping every 50 yards or so
321
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to listen to the sounds
in the forest surrounding us.
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-I don't know what that was.
-What's that movement?
323
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-It just sounded like footsteps.
-Yeah, it did.
324
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[WHISPERING]
It sounded like footsteps
going through the woods.
325
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-Right.
-Yes.
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-And then it just stopped.
-Yeah.
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SETH: It was deathly quiet.
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Outside of Area X,
I'd never experienced
the kind of stillness
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that was pervasive
in our Buck Mountain
camping area.
330
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There was the constant sense
that we were not alone
in this place,
331
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and yet, the lack of
any ambient noise
332
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should have led us
to feel the solitude.
333
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Did you see what it is?
334
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[MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
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True that.
336
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I don't want to look.
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-What you got?
-I had one...
No, I had a tree rat
338
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and probably a small chipmunk
or something like that
go behind it.
339
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SETH: Having no luck
during our road walk,
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we headed back to base camp
341
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where we made the decision
to try call blasting.
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[SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
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SETH: While one team
stayed at the camp,
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four of us,
including Adam Duggan
and myself,
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moved into the woods
about 200 yards
to hunker down
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and see if we could spot
anything moving in toward camp.
347
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Call blasting is a technique
frequently utilized
by Bigfoot researchers
348
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to elicit a response
from their quarry.
349
00:20:54,183 --> 00:20:58,222
Typically they'll blast
animal noises or other
purported Bigfoot recordings,
350
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but tonight
they're trying something else,
something different.
351
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[SCREAMING]
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SETH: If there was
anything present
on the mountain that night,
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besides Steve Kulls
and his crew
of investigators...
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it didn't want to
make itself known.
355
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Despite a lack of anything
definitive presenting itself
the previous night,
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we woke up on day two
ready to get out
and experience the Adirondacks.
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Our destination
was a mountainous area
to the southwest of our camp
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on Buck Mountain
and Lake George,
359
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a mild incline
of 1,500-plus feet
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up the 3.4-mile
Hadley Mountain Trail.
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Leaving the Lake George area,
we began to discover
the acres of forest
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that covers the Adirondacks.
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When the lockdowns began
in early March,
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like everyone,
it relegated me to my home.
365
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I would while away days
editing on my laptop
or researching future projects,
366
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but I would often find myself
dreaming of the days
367
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when I would again be able to
get out and explore
rugged mountains on foot.
368
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SETH: There's nothing
like a global pandemic
369
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,373
to leave you in
the worst shape of your life.
370
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And as I trudged
up Mount Hadley,
371
00:23:31,444 --> 00:23:35,275
I couldn't help but think
that this was
the best kind of misery.
372
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MARK: The Adirondack Park
was established in 1892,
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and two years later,
there was a Forever Wild clause
374
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that was added to
the New York State Constitution
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that ensured
that the state lands
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would not be sold or leased,
377
00:23:55,226 --> 00:23:57,470
and also that the timber
378
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would not be harvested, uh,
from those locations ever again.
379
00:24:01,992 --> 00:24:05,685
And then, in 1912,
it was further clarified that
380
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,483
where the boundaries
for that all existed
because there was state forest,
381
00:24:10,518 --> 00:24:13,486
there was private properties
that were also a part of that.
382
00:24:13,521 --> 00:24:15,488
Well, you...
You have swampy areas.
383
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You have heavily wooded areas.
384
00:24:17,732 --> 00:24:19,492
You have rugged
mountainous areas.
385
00:24:19,527 --> 00:24:22,599
I think we have 46 main peaks
in the Adirondacks.
386
00:24:22,633 --> 00:24:27,673
You've got a wide diversity
of rugged terrain
in the Adirondacks,
387
00:24:27,707 --> 00:24:32,332
and it would certainly be
able to sustain a mystery
for a long time.
388
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:36,544
I would imagine that
the habitat needed for
something like Bigfoot to exist
389
00:24:36,578 --> 00:24:39,857
would have to be quite vast
in the sense of
natural resources
390
00:24:39,892 --> 00:24:42,929
where you'd have
plenty of water sources,
plenty of food resources,
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both in terms of carnivorous,
omnivorous, and basically,
anything in between.
392
00:24:48,314 --> 00:24:51,835
Even though
the Adirondacks are vast,
they're not isolated.
393
00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:56,391
They're connected
to other areas, other ranges.
394
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There's ample wild areas
on the western side
of the Hudson River.
395
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On the eastern side you have,
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probably no more
than 50 miles away,
397
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you get into
Western Massachusetts,
398
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where you have Mount Greylock,
399
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where you have
Savoy State Forest,
400
00:25:14,098 --> 00:25:18,206
and there is a, uh,
green trail, if you will...
401
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,209
uh, looking at this
from a forested standpoint...
402
00:25:21,243 --> 00:25:25,972
uh, that runs north and south
throughout New York State,
403
00:25:26,007 --> 00:25:30,908
Vermont, New Hampshire,
even going up into Canada,
as well.
404
00:25:30,943 --> 00:25:34,015
So, New York would be
the perfect habitat for Bigfoot
405
00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:36,500
because it is a lot like
the Pacific Northwest.
406
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,364
It's just really shrunken down.
407
00:25:38,398 --> 00:25:41,332
Bigfoot resides in areas
with heavy rainfall,
408
00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:43,369
abundant wildlife
and resources.
409
00:25:43,403 --> 00:25:47,200
Bigfoot is sighted
all over this region.
410
00:25:47,235 --> 00:25:49,237
PETAKOV: I think
these creatures would
probably be opportunistic
411
00:25:49,271 --> 00:25:51,895
because you have
times of the year
where nothing is growing.
412
00:25:51,929 --> 00:25:54,242
You have really harsh winters
here in the Northeast
413
00:25:54,276 --> 00:25:57,245
and New York
and Western Massachusetts,
414
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:58,591
the whole area.
415
00:25:58,626 --> 00:26:01,076
You have five months
out of the year
where there's nothing
416
00:26:01,111 --> 00:26:04,114
that's basically,
except for flesh and blood,
that's kind of running around.
417
00:26:04,148 --> 00:26:07,842
So, that would be perhaps
a time where meat would be
more accessible.
418
00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:11,570
PAUL: There are occasional
cases of these creatures
419
00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:14,607
being attached
to maybe a downed deer,
420
00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:18,749
and you wonder if it killed it
or came across
the dead animal already.
421
00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:22,201
There was a report
in Kinderhook, New York,
of the creatures,
422
00:26:22,235 --> 00:26:26,412
which seemed to be storing food
in a snowbank.
423
00:26:26,446 --> 00:26:29,380
PETAKOV: During the summer
months, you have berries,
you have lots of fruits,
424
00:26:29,415 --> 00:26:31,590
you have apple orchards
that we put out there.
425
00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:32,832
There's been a lot of sightings
426
00:26:32,867 --> 00:26:34,869
that are taking place
near apple orchards.
427
00:26:34,903 --> 00:26:36,387
You have other animals
that do that as well.
428
00:26:36,422 --> 00:26:40,012
Deer and moose,
they'll feed off
of our agriculture.
429
00:26:40,046 --> 00:26:42,359
So, why would a creature
like this not do that?
430
00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:46,708
EMILY: Another reason why
New York is the perfect place
for Bigfoot
431
00:26:46,743 --> 00:26:51,540
is because it backs
right up to Canada,
and it's right next to Vermont.
432
00:26:51,575 --> 00:26:53,335
These creatures
are migrating down.
433
00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:57,477
They're migrating
through Vermont
through New York and then West.
434
00:26:57,512 --> 00:26:59,169
SETH: Why do you say
they're migrating?
435
00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:02,482
-Why? What evidence do you have?
-[GIGGLES]
436
00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:05,106
Well, if you look
at the map of sightings,
437
00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:07,867
you can tend to see
some migration patterns.
438
00:27:07,902 --> 00:27:12,251
Canada has a lot of sightings
around the Ontario area,
439
00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:15,703
and then those trickle down
into Upstate New York
and Vermont,
440
00:27:15,737 --> 00:27:19,534
whereas on the West Coast,
British Columbia
has a ton of sightings
441
00:27:19,568 --> 00:27:23,089
which trickle down into Oregon
and Washington and California.
442
00:27:23,124 --> 00:27:26,023
If you look at the patterns,
seasonally, of sightings,
443
00:27:26,058 --> 00:27:28,232
you will begin to
see correlations,
444
00:27:28,267 --> 00:27:31,063
especially with
the annual rainfall, as well.
445
00:27:31,097 --> 00:27:34,342
PAUL: One of the patterns
that we noticed
right away in this area
446
00:27:34,376 --> 00:27:40,589
was that August, September
and October appear to be
peak months for sightings.
447
00:27:40,624 --> 00:27:45,629
Why did... Native tribes
move back and forth
from different areas?
448
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:49,391
Why animals migrate...
your food sources, your heat.
449
00:27:49,426 --> 00:27:55,708
And I think, up here
you just... You have
such a dense forest.
450
00:27:55,743 --> 00:28:00,023
PAUL: It would appear that
if a creature
wants to be elusive,
451
00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:01,680
the higher up it goes,
452
00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:04,579
the less of a chance
of an encounter with people.
453
00:28:04,613 --> 00:28:06,443
That makes perfect sense.
454
00:28:06,477 --> 00:28:10,896
SETH: Do you think
there's some sort of, uh...
migratory route or...
455
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:14,416
I think what's going on
in this area, particular,
456
00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:16,833
primates, like
aboriginal Americans,
457
00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:19,767
they would have summer homes
and winter homes.
458
00:28:19,801 --> 00:28:22,390
And they can migrate,
depending on the food source,
459
00:28:22,424 --> 00:28:24,012
you know, weather
and stuff like that.
460
00:28:24,047 --> 00:28:25,773
The reason why we have
so much activity
461
00:28:25,807 --> 00:28:29,742
from about the end of May
till like the middle
of December here
462
00:28:29,777 --> 00:28:31,986
is because we're
in the Adirondack State Park,
463
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:33,746
and in this part of the park,
464
00:28:33,781 --> 00:28:37,577
it's oak, it's birch,
it's maple, its leaves.
465
00:28:37,612 --> 00:28:40,511
And come October...
466
00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:45,516
those leaves start to drop,
so, in winter time
there's no cover for that snow.
467
00:28:45,551 --> 00:28:48,416
So, you will get, you know,
feet of snow up here.
468
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:51,350
So, I think what happens
is that they move from here
469
00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:53,317
to the Green Mountain
State Forest,
470
00:28:53,352 --> 00:28:58,840
and I think that's the reason
why Whitehall is, like,
this epicenter of everything.
471
00:28:58,875 --> 00:29:01,636
They have some cover
from the snow there.
472
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:03,914
And then you...
And as well as camouflage.
473
00:29:03,949 --> 00:29:06,434
And you have
the forests here
in the summertime,
474
00:29:06,468 --> 00:29:10,438
which has an abundance of water
and abundance of wildlife
475
00:29:10,472 --> 00:29:11,922
and abundance of food source.
476
00:29:11,957 --> 00:29:15,305
SETH: Talk about what it is
about the geography
or the terrain here
477
00:29:15,339 --> 00:29:18,377
that, that might set it apart
from other parts of the country.
478
00:29:18,411 --> 00:29:19,792
I generally do
a lot of my research
479
00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:22,174
in the western part
of New York,
480
00:29:22,208 --> 00:29:25,108
uh, down into Pennsylvania
'cause that's where I'm located.
481
00:29:25,142 --> 00:29:29,629
I do tend to get up here
a couple of times a year
to work with, uh...
482
00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:31,148
With Steve Kulls.
483
00:29:31,183 --> 00:29:34,738
You know, I've kind of been
brought up in their
thought theories,
484
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,326
but I also look at my own.
485
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,777
Today, you know,
we looked at a mountain...
486
00:29:38,811 --> 00:29:42,815
Um, and you could look,
as you're going up
in elevation, the change
487
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:45,231
going from hardwood
to that pine.
488
00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:50,789
And again, like we said,
we're looking at those
diversities in environment.
489
00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:53,377
You could go forever
without being seen up here.
490
00:29:53,412 --> 00:29:55,586
I mean, it's a giant,
giant area.
491
00:30:05,873 --> 00:30:08,461
SETH: To say that the hike up
Mount Hadley was rough
492
00:30:08,496 --> 00:30:10,809
would be
a dramatic understatement.
493
00:30:10,843 --> 00:30:13,535
I could feel my legs under me
just dying to give up.
494
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:16,228
My lungs burn,
my back was coated with sweat
495
00:30:16,262 --> 00:30:20,025
and I was breathing
like a marathon sprinter
nearing the finish line.
496
00:30:20,059 --> 00:30:22,406
And then, there it was,
the summit.
497
00:30:38,388 --> 00:30:41,978
SETH: Suddenly, viruses,
politics, elections,
social unrests
498
00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:45,015
were replaced by something
I hadn't experienced
in a long time.
499
00:30:46,051 --> 00:30:46,879
Peace.
500
00:30:47,742 --> 00:30:49,640
Here in the Adirondacks,
501
00:30:49,675 --> 00:30:52,298
while searching
for what most consider a myth,
502
00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:55,784
I'd found a break
from the chaos
of the world outside.
503
00:31:41,002 --> 00:31:43,591
I woke up on day three,
tired and sore,
504
00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:45,455
but eager to
finally revisit the scene
505
00:31:45,489 --> 00:31:48,976
of one of the most important
recorded Bigfoot sightings
on the East Coast.
506
00:31:56,466 --> 00:32:00,401
Each trip brings me back
to a town that has become
a home away from home to me
507
00:32:00,435 --> 00:32:04,439
in the waning years
since we made our documentary
based here.
508
00:32:04,474 --> 00:32:07,132
Since we've released
theBeast of Whitehall in 2015,
509
00:32:07,166 --> 00:32:09,479
the town has embraced
its strange legacy
510
00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:12,551
as a hot spot
for unusual creature sightings.
511
00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:15,795
Even going so far as to host
an annual Bigfoot festival
512
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:18,212
to accompany
the myriad statues, sculptures
513
00:32:18,246 --> 00:32:20,455
and wood carvings
that dot the area.
514
00:32:30,086 --> 00:32:32,951
Though it's situated
at the base of
the Adirondack Mountains
515
00:32:32,985 --> 00:32:35,505
and just outside
the boundaries of the park,
516
00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:38,197
Whitehall still encompasses
everything about the region
517
00:32:38,232 --> 00:32:41,166
that makes it so unique
and so perfectly suited
518
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,582
for a large animal
to remain hidden.
519
00:32:43,616 --> 00:32:47,137
Outside the village,
the mountains spill out
into fields and forests
520
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:50,209
that stretch all the way
into nearby Vermont.
521
00:32:55,766 --> 00:32:59,011
There are certain cases
that become landmark cases,
522
00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:03,705
and one of those was
the Abair Road incident
back in 1976.
523
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:05,880
And if we were to
put it in a nutshell,
524
00:33:05,914 --> 00:33:08,365
you had teenagers
out on Abair Road,
525
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,437
a very rural road
in... In Whitehall, New York.
526
00:33:11,472 --> 00:33:14,509
They parked their truck
and they encountered a creature
527
00:33:14,544 --> 00:33:17,271
that was walking
next to a telephone pole there.
528
00:33:17,305 --> 00:33:20,929
They sped away,
leaving tracks in the road
529
00:33:20,964 --> 00:33:23,035
and went in to
report it to the police.
530
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:25,762
Washington County
Deputy Sheriff,
the Whitehall Police,
531
00:33:25,796 --> 00:33:29,490
New York State Trooper,
all responded
to the... To the scene.
532
00:33:29,524 --> 00:33:34,357
And that night,
which was August 24th, 1976,
533
00:33:34,391 --> 00:33:38,326
they cited several sightings
of a creature out on Abair Road
534
00:33:38,361 --> 00:33:42,330
that was described
as being about
seven to eight feet tall,
535
00:33:42,365 --> 00:33:44,850
dark colored,
walking upright like a man,
536
00:33:44,884 --> 00:33:49,475
but looking more like a gorilla
and having red glowing eyes.
537
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:52,444
SETH: Paul Bartholomew
is a born and raised
Whitehall local
538
00:33:52,478 --> 00:33:54,584
with connections
to the Abair Road incident,
539
00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:57,794
as well as most major cases
from the area.
540
00:33:57,828 --> 00:34:00,624
In the 1980s, Paul,
along with his brother Robert,
541
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:04,283
author Bruce Hallenbeck,
and Bigfoot investigator
Bill Brann,
542
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,631
co-authored a book titled
Monsters of the Northwoods,
543
00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:11,670
a study of the phenomenon
in Upstate New York.
544
00:34:11,704 --> 00:34:15,018
The book helped to cement
the Abair Road incident's
place in history
545
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,572
and also to act
as a connecting point
for the research
546
00:34:17,607 --> 00:34:22,784
of four of the most important
figures in Bigfoot research
on the East Coast.
547
00:34:22,819 --> 00:34:25,960
Today, a rift has grown
between Brann
and the Bartholomews,
548
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:29,205
but despite this fact,
the historical significance
of the book
549
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,105
can't be overstated, in that
it fully defined Whitehall
550
00:34:33,140 --> 00:34:36,902
as a gateway
to unusual happenings
on the East Coast.
551
00:34:36,936 --> 00:34:40,285
So, are those sightings over...
by Carvers Falls...
552
00:34:40,319 --> 00:34:43,391
am I wrong in remembering that?
I thought there was
something about... Okay.
553
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:45,704
-Big one.
-SETH: Oh, okay, I thought
you were saying I was wrong.
554
00:34:45,738 --> 00:34:49,087
That's... You know what,
I... I should have
mentioned that and I didn't.
555
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:54,644
The Abair Road incident
culminated with
the Carvers Falls incident,
556
00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:58,130
in which a fellow...
came into the police station.
557
00:34:58,165 --> 00:35:00,236
Back then, it was a great job
to be a dispatcher.
558
00:35:00,270 --> 00:35:01,685
You're on duty all night.
559
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,102
You're right there
taking a couple calls,
watching TV or whatever.
560
00:35:04,136 --> 00:35:05,724
Guy comes rushing
in the police station,
561
00:35:05,758 --> 00:35:06,897
"I just shot Bigfoot."
562
00:35:06,932 --> 00:35:09,141
So, uh, New York State Police
were notified
563
00:35:09,176 --> 00:35:10,763
'cause that's
their jurisdiction.
564
00:35:10,798 --> 00:35:13,766
They shooed out to, uh,
Carvers Falls Road...
565
00:35:13,801 --> 00:35:16,390
and, uh, go to the site,
they find shotgun shell,
566
00:35:16,424 --> 00:35:17,805
but they don't find
any creature...
567
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:23,638
The Whitehall area
has produced some
extremely important researchers.
568
00:35:23,673 --> 00:35:27,401
And the first of those
is Dr. Warren Cook.
569
00:35:27,435 --> 00:35:33,200
He was a heavyweight researcher
and well respected
in circles of higher education.
570
00:35:33,234 --> 00:35:38,446
Dr. Cook also
was heavily interested
in mystery primates.
571
00:35:38,481 --> 00:35:42,381
And certainly included
in that number of researchers
572
00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:46,903
was one William or Bill Brann.
573
00:35:46,937 --> 00:35:51,045
And Bill Brann really became
an instrumental researcher
574
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,498
in Whitehall cases,
in particular,
the Abair Road incident.
575
00:35:55,532 --> 00:35:57,155
SETH: Can you talk
about your...
576
00:35:57,189 --> 00:35:58,501
Any insights you might have
577
00:35:58,535 --> 00:36:01,642
to share about
people who investigate Bigfoot,
578
00:36:01,676 --> 00:36:03,713
specifically in
this area, like...
579
00:36:03,747 --> 00:36:07,889
There were two people involved
in investigating these reports.
580
00:36:07,924 --> 00:36:13,723
One was a college professor
from Columbia-Greene College
named Dr. Gary Levine.
581
00:36:13,757 --> 00:36:17,968
The more serious researcher,
I felt, was another
college professor
582
00:36:18,003 --> 00:36:20,833
from Castleton College
in Vermont, Dr. Warren Cook,
583
00:36:20,868 --> 00:36:24,458
who took
a very biological approach
to the creature.
584
00:36:24,492 --> 00:36:27,633
He felt that in Whitehall
and Kinderhook
585
00:36:27,668 --> 00:36:31,292
there may have been
breeding colonies
of these things.
586
00:36:31,327 --> 00:36:38,230
What Paul Bartholomew
and... And Dr. Cook established
in that region
587
00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:43,373
was a sort of loose grouping
of Bigfoot researchers
588
00:36:43,408 --> 00:36:45,858
who were sharing information
with one another,
589
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:50,069
and early on, establishing
a database of sightings
590
00:36:50,104 --> 00:36:53,901
and correlating
both local legends and lore
591
00:36:53,935 --> 00:36:57,111
with up to date sightings
of the Bigfoot creature.
592
00:36:57,145 --> 00:37:00,356
Well, this is one of my
first time really diving into
the Adirondacks.
593
00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:01,909
I've just been sort of
on the peripheries.
594
00:37:01,943 --> 00:37:03,980
I've been to Whitehall
a number of times,
595
00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:07,397
and I think that Whitehall
almost functions
as a gateway to this area,
596
00:37:07,432 --> 00:37:10,020
and kind of what
we talked about
to a lot of the researchers
597
00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:12,885
was the possibility
of migrational routes
598
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,681
and the way
these things are moving into
other states, into Vermont,
599
00:37:15,716 --> 00:37:17,096
where there's other sightings.
600
00:37:17,131 --> 00:37:18,891
And then you have
this vast wilderness.
601
00:37:18,926 --> 00:37:23,620
EMILY: Whitehall is kind of
the Bigfoot capital
of New York, you could say.
602
00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:26,554
What's interesting to me
is that you can go
from New York City,
603
00:37:26,589 --> 00:37:28,729
with a population
over a million,
604
00:37:28,763 --> 00:37:32,250
to Whitehall, with a population
just under a few thousand,
605
00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:35,701
and the landscape
and culture changes so much.
606
00:37:35,736 --> 00:37:38,186
You know, I've heard sightings
go back as far as the '50s.
607
00:37:38,221 --> 00:37:42,501
We're trying to get the actual
definitive line on that.
It's kind of hard.
608
00:37:42,536 --> 00:37:44,952
But I do know,
beginning in the '60s
609
00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:47,920
that there were sightings
on the Vermont side
610
00:37:47,955 --> 00:37:51,130
just over the, the river,
you know, from Whitehall.
611
00:37:51,165 --> 00:37:54,410
And then, you know, obviously
in the '70s, Whitehall.
612
00:37:54,444 --> 00:37:56,101
We're not very far
from Whitehall.
613
00:37:56,135 --> 00:37:59,277
We are, you know,
within 15 miles of Whitehall.
614
00:37:59,311 --> 00:38:02,141
This forest here
goes straight to that area.
615
00:38:02,176 --> 00:38:05,283
Do you think there's a larger
preponderance of reports
616
00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:08,320
based around Whitehall?
617
00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:11,358
What do you think
that's attributable to?
618
00:38:11,392 --> 00:38:16,708
You know, I'm not really sure
if it's because the attention
has been placed on the area
619
00:38:16,742 --> 00:38:21,160
or if the area itself
is synonymous with
paranormal phenomena.
620
00:38:21,195 --> 00:38:23,611
In this region, we can go to
Kinderhook, New York.
621
00:38:23,646 --> 00:38:25,164
We can go to
Whitehall, New York.
622
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,307
We can go to
Chittenden, Vermont,
parts of Rutland, Vermont.
623
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:33,966
These all seem to be hot spots
for creature activity
in this region.
624
00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:39,075
But I suspect that part
of Whitehall's charm may be
because we've focused on it.
625
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:42,181
There was another gentleman
in 2003, I believe,
626
00:38:42,216 --> 00:38:45,840
that was parked right outside
this campsite's parking area,
627
00:38:45,875 --> 00:38:48,326
which is maybe
a few hundred yards from here.
628
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,569
He opens his door up,
it hit something,
629
00:38:50,604 --> 00:38:51,743
looked down,
there's a hairy foot,
630
00:38:51,777 --> 00:38:53,779
looked up and something's
looking down at him.
631
00:38:53,814 --> 00:38:55,194
He was sleeping in his car.
632
00:38:55,229 --> 00:38:56,472
So, there it was,
looking at him
633
00:38:56,506 --> 00:38:58,197
and it just kind of turned
and walked away.
634
00:38:58,232 --> 00:38:59,682
And that's not uncommon
over here.
635
00:38:59,716 --> 00:39:02,374
Sometimes people,
instead of camping,
they'll just, you know,
636
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:03,858
they've done a hike,
"I'm gonna hang out,
637
00:39:03,893 --> 00:39:05,101
"and I'm gonna
go sleep in the car."
638
00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,309
It's a beautiful area.
It's quiet.
639
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:08,829
It's desolate. You need
to get away, it's perfect.
640
00:39:08,863 --> 00:39:13,385
There was a young man
with his uncle
who loved to go fishing.
641
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:17,009
That was their hobby,
and they would always go
to the same place every summer.
642
00:39:17,044 --> 00:39:19,702
It's in Rutland, Vermont,
which is right near Whitehall.
643
00:39:19,736 --> 00:39:23,809
And so, as they were fishing,
they started hearing splashes
in the water.
644
00:39:23,844 --> 00:39:25,501
They started to get concerned.
645
00:39:25,535 --> 00:39:27,537
As a fisherman,
you don't really hear
too much noise
646
00:39:27,572 --> 00:39:29,470
unless a fish
is jumping out of the water.
647
00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:32,370
But the type of fish that were
in this creek wouldn't do that.
648
00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:35,062
So, they started heading
down the creek,
649
00:39:35,096 --> 00:39:37,789
and all of a sudden
this young man's uncle
650
00:39:37,823 --> 00:39:41,033
put his hand back and said,
"Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Stay there."
651
00:39:41,068 --> 00:39:45,210
They started making their way
around to the other side
of the creek very quietly
652
00:39:45,244 --> 00:39:49,007
to see if they could
find the creature
and see a clearer image of it.
653
00:39:49,041 --> 00:39:54,046
So, they got around the bend,
and all of a sudden
the creature came into view.
654
00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:58,396
It was a huge, dark figure
covered in hair.
655
00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:01,019
They were about 40 feet
from this creature,
656
00:40:01,053 --> 00:40:02,952
so, they could see
almost every detail.
657
00:40:02,986 --> 00:40:04,332
It looked like a linebacker.
658
00:40:04,367 --> 00:40:07,784
Its... Its body was humongous,
and it was in the creek
659
00:40:07,819 --> 00:40:10,442
trying to catch a fish
with its bare hands
660
00:40:10,477 --> 00:40:12,686
and getting frustrated
while doing so,
661
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,446
hence, slapping the water.
662
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:18,657
One of the recent sightings
from 2018 was simply a...
663
00:40:18,692 --> 00:40:22,316
The most common sighting
that we get, which is
the road-cross sighting.
664
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:24,939
And it's usually...
You weren't expecting it,
665
00:40:24,974 --> 00:40:26,389
you aren't looking for it,
666
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:28,287
and it just crosses the road
in front of you.
667
00:40:30,704 --> 00:40:32,188
SETH: The bulk
of witness sightings
668
00:40:32,222 --> 00:40:34,604
in the Whitehall area
take place near roads
669
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,918
and typically occur from
behind the wheel of the car.
670
00:40:37,952 --> 00:40:42,612
Even the infamous
1976 sightings are an example
of this fact.
671
00:40:42,647 --> 00:40:45,408
Whitehall, being just outside
the Adirondack Park
672
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,548
and situated
at the base of the mountains,
673
00:40:47,583 --> 00:40:50,965
might simply be a stop
on the way to someplace else
for Bigfoot,
674
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,277
if it exists.
675
00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:55,487
With multiple rivers
and streams
676
00:40:55,522 --> 00:40:59,077
that flow down
from the high peaks region
in the Adirondacks,
677
00:40:59,111 --> 00:41:02,736
it's theorized that
they could simply be
following the waterways
678
00:41:02,770 --> 00:41:05,601
which lead to
or nearby the village,
679
00:41:05,635 --> 00:41:10,882
which could account for
the high number of sightings
in this specific area.
680
00:41:10,916 --> 00:41:14,230
On this day, Paul Bartholomew
had set up a meeting
with a witness
681
00:41:14,264 --> 00:41:16,266
who wished to remain anonymous.
682
00:41:16,301 --> 00:41:19,269
However, his sighting
is within the last year,
683
00:41:19,304 --> 00:41:21,651
and like the 1976 sightings,
684
00:41:21,686 --> 00:41:23,135
it takes place near a road.
685
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:24,827
Everything was closed,
I was relaxing at home.
686
00:41:24,861 --> 00:41:27,692
I get a call from my friend
that his truck overturned
687
00:41:27,726 --> 00:41:30,626
and he needed my help
down by the Apple Diner.
688
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:33,491
So, I live on...
I live down in, uh, Whitehall.
689
00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:36,563
So, what I did was,
I got dressed, went outside,
690
00:41:36,597 --> 00:41:39,082
get in the car,
started down on 4.
691
00:41:39,117 --> 00:41:42,465
And, uh, I ended up by the, uh,
the electric panels,
692
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,985
they just put up that
new field of electric panels.
693
00:41:45,019 --> 00:41:46,365
And as I was coming
down the hill,
694
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,782
just as I pass
the electric panels,
I was coming down the hill,
695
00:41:48,816 --> 00:41:50,197
and I was looking up,
696
00:41:50,231 --> 00:41:53,718
and all of a sudden
I see this big shadow
stepping over a fence,
697
00:41:53,752 --> 00:41:55,720
the fence that was there,
a little short fence...
698
00:41:55,754 --> 00:41:58,136
and it was stepping over,
his back was to me.
699
00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:59,551
His arm was down here.
700
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:01,829
His other arm was, like,
half up like this...
701
00:42:01,864 --> 00:42:03,382
and he stepped over the fence.
702
00:42:03,417 --> 00:42:06,247
And I look at it,
I go, "Oh, my God..."
I say, "Looks like a man."
703
00:42:06,282 --> 00:42:08,560
But it wasn't a man,
it was a big, hairy thing.
704
00:42:08,595 --> 00:42:10,907
Then what I did was,
as I kept on going,
705
00:42:10,942 --> 00:42:13,185
by the time I got down there,
I was about 400 feet away.
706
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:16,119
By the time I got down here,
it was already down
and went down
707
00:42:16,154 --> 00:42:19,191
Because if you
look down there,
where I saw the footprints...
708
00:42:19,226 --> 00:42:20,607
So, then I go home,
709
00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:21,780
and then my wife says,
710
00:42:21,815 --> 00:42:23,886
"Tomorrow morning, go and see
if there's footprints."
711
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,921
I go, "Honey, I don't got..."
712
00:42:24,956 --> 00:42:26,405
She says, "Go see
if there's footprints."
713
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,441
I went there,
714
00:42:27,475 --> 00:42:30,409
saw the prints,
took the pictures, called Paul.
715
00:42:30,444 --> 00:42:34,275
Paul went there,
and he made a couple of casts
of the right and the left foot.
716
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:36,001
of both of them.
Just where the thing went over.
717
00:42:36,036 --> 00:42:37,520
And I'm standing there
looking at the footprints,
718
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:39,557
I'm going, "Oh, my God.
There's footprints there."
719
00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:41,006
And I couldn't believe it.
720
00:42:41,041 --> 00:42:42,836
I made the pictures.
I got the pictures in my phone,
you saw them.
721
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:44,838
And that's the whole week.
Then I went home,
and that was it.
722
00:42:44,872 --> 00:42:48,151
And then... Paul took care
of the rest. They put...
723
00:42:48,186 --> 00:42:50,637
How... How big
do you think it was?
724
00:42:50,671 --> 00:42:52,949
I would say,
at least six-and-a-half
to seven feet.
725
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:55,434
SETH: Did you see a color?
726
00:42:55,469 --> 00:42:58,023
MAN: Black. All I could see
was black, pure black.
727
00:42:58,058 --> 00:42:59,715
SETH: Eye shine, any?
MAN: No, he was back...
728
00:42:59,749 --> 00:43:01,371
-His back...
His back was to me.
-SETH: Okay.
729
00:43:01,406 --> 00:43:04,616
He was...
He was, like, sideways...
730
00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:06,204
stepping over there,
just like this.
731
00:43:07,343 --> 00:43:09,690
I'm coming down the road here.
732
00:43:09,725 --> 00:43:13,936
And he's like this
stepping over... like this.
733
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:15,627
And his back, his head,
everything is...
734
00:43:15,662 --> 00:43:18,181
Everything was, uh,
in one big...
735
00:43:18,216 --> 00:43:19,458
His head, there was no neck.
736
00:43:19,493 --> 00:43:21,081
It was like hair
coming down like this.
737
00:43:21,115 --> 00:43:22,910
Shoulders like this,
coming down.
738
00:43:22,945 --> 00:43:24,015
One hand was out.
739
00:43:24,049 --> 00:43:26,155
The other hand was like this
on the side...
740
00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:27,225
and he was stepping over...
741
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:30,193
and all black, all black hair.
742
00:43:30,642 --> 00:43:31,885
And that was it.
743
00:43:31,919 --> 00:43:35,198
I never thought that
in a million years
that I would ever...
744
00:43:35,233 --> 00:43:36,614
-See it.
-...see it.
745
00:43:36,648 --> 00:43:37,925
You know, I'm born Brooklyn boy.
746
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,064
I don't know anything
about that.
747
00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:40,410
I never come upstate that much.
748
00:43:40,445 --> 00:43:42,654
You know,
when I moved up here,
all of a sudden I saw a Bigfoot.
749
00:43:42,689 --> 00:43:44,380
It was amazing.
Do you want to see it again?
750
00:43:46,037 --> 00:43:47,072
I would love to see it again,
751
00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:48,349
but I doubt
that's ever gonna happen.
752
00:43:48,384 --> 00:43:51,594
Remember, I'm, uh, you know...
I'm not a young guy and, uh...
753
00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,527
it took a long time
to see this one.
754
00:43:53,561 --> 00:43:54,424
You know, it was amazing.
755
00:43:54,459 --> 00:43:55,391
I was really shocked.
756
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,910
I can't believe it.
757
00:43:56,944 --> 00:43:59,119
That thing was just standing,
I could just see it.
758
00:43:59,153 --> 00:44:01,535
-Yeah.
-I... I genuinely appreciate you
telling me your story.
759
00:44:01,569 --> 00:44:02,501
That's great.
760
00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:03,710
-Thank you very much.
-It's really...
761
00:44:03,744 --> 00:44:05,988
I... I hope someday
I can have
that experience myself.
762
00:44:06,022 --> 00:44:08,818
I tell you, it's weird.
You'd be very...
I... I was shocked.
763
00:44:08,853 --> 00:44:11,096
I mean, I... I was on the phone
screaming to my wife.
764
00:44:11,131 --> 00:44:12,442
I'm going, "I can't believe it.
765
00:44:12,477 --> 00:44:13,858
"I just saw Bigfoot."
"Yeah, you fool,
my dad just saw Bigfoot!"
766
00:44:13,892 --> 00:44:16,101
"I can't believe it! I just saw
him just climb over the fence."
767
00:44:16,136 --> 00:44:18,310
-The big black thing
just standing there, you know.
-Yeah.
768
00:44:18,345 --> 00:44:20,036
It was weird.
769
00:44:20,071 --> 00:44:23,143
It was really... It was really
a weird thing to be out
at that hour going to that area.
770
00:44:23,177 --> 00:44:24,938
I usually never
go down that way.
771
00:44:24,972 --> 00:44:26,180
-It's strange.
-Yeah.
772
00:44:42,093 --> 00:44:43,163
SETH: As evening fell,
773
00:44:43,197 --> 00:44:45,786
we made the decision
to head to Carvers Falls,
774
00:44:45,821 --> 00:44:49,169
a location tied to
Whitehall's Bigfoot history.
775
00:44:49,203 --> 00:44:50,964
While there have been
multiple sightings
776
00:44:50,998 --> 00:44:53,656
in the forests and fields
surrounding the Poultney River,
777
00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:57,729
Carvers Falls is
an especially active location.
778
00:44:57,764 --> 00:45:00,801
Geographically, the falls
lie less than a quarter mile
779
00:45:00,836 --> 00:45:03,942
from the location
where the Gosselin sighting
took place.
780
00:45:03,977 --> 00:45:07,670
It's also the location
where Bigfoot investigator
Bill Brann once theorized
781
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:11,329
the creature
may have called home
for a short time.
782
00:45:11,363 --> 00:45:14,539
Brann had even gone so far
as to search a local cave
for evidence
783
00:45:14,573 --> 00:45:16,230
of the Beast
of Whitehall's presence,
784
00:45:16,265 --> 00:45:19,026
but had come away empty handed.
785
00:45:19,061 --> 00:45:22,409
Carvers Falls
has a large decline
that runs down a steep hill
786
00:45:22,443 --> 00:45:26,965
before spilling out
into the valley that runs
just behind Abair Road.
787
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,418
At the top of the falls lies
a dam built to supply power
to Plant 1491,
788
00:45:31,452 --> 00:45:33,109
which sits along
the banks of the river.
789
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:41,669
[SHOUTS]
790
00:46:01,828 --> 00:46:02,967
[SHOUTS]
791
00:46:25,644 --> 00:46:27,888
What are your thoughts
on this area?
792
00:46:27,923 --> 00:46:31,409
Oh, it's a nice little...
quiet area. [EXHALES]
793
00:46:32,513 --> 00:46:34,895
There's been some disturbance...
794
00:46:35,931 --> 00:46:37,725
There's a plant broken off.
795
00:46:39,969 --> 00:46:41,591
Quite sure everyone is on...
796
00:46:42,903 --> 00:46:46,562
Can you see, there seems
to be... any kind of...
797
00:46:47,701 --> 00:46:49,496
motion.
798
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:53,880
But whatever it is,
it doesn't look like it's...
very large...
799
00:46:53,914 --> 00:46:55,019
if there is anything.
800
00:46:57,745 --> 00:47:00,818
SETH: Our plan was to
hike down the hill
and end at the valley
801
00:47:00,852 --> 00:47:03,130
where we would
follow the river.
802
00:47:03,165 --> 00:47:07,134
Paul Bartholomew had speculated
that the Bigfoot seen in 1976
803
00:47:07,169 --> 00:47:09,067
may have been following
the Poultney River
804
00:47:09,102 --> 00:47:10,828
and simply wandered away
from the banks
805
00:47:10,862 --> 00:47:13,209
in search of food or shelter.
806
00:47:13,244 --> 00:47:16,454
Perhaps that's why it was seen
in an empty field off Abair,
807
00:47:16,488 --> 00:47:19,319
a concept which is bolstered
by a strange deer kill
808
00:47:19,353 --> 00:47:22,149
that was found
at the back of the same field
the creature was sighted,
809
00:47:22,184 --> 00:47:24,600
just days after
the incident occurred.
810
00:47:29,674 --> 00:47:30,675
[SHOUTS]
811
00:47:33,195 --> 00:47:34,127
[SHOUTS]
812
00:47:43,377 --> 00:47:45,483
[INDISTINCT CONVERSATION]
813
00:47:47,554 --> 00:47:49,970
-Yeah, you can't hear it.
-You can hear
from farther distances.
814
00:47:50,005 --> 00:47:52,352
You kind of have to be
on top to hear it.
815
00:47:56,874 --> 00:48:00,084
SETH: Whatever the case,
on this night,
I couldn't help but think
816
00:48:00,118 --> 00:48:02,500
that we might be walking
in the same path
817
00:48:02,534 --> 00:48:06,607
that the Beast of Whitehall
had walked over 40 years ago.
818
00:48:37,949 --> 00:48:39,364
[INDISTINCT CONVERSATION]
819
00:48:39,399 --> 00:48:41,194
-...paper crack.
-Yeah.
820
00:48:41,228 --> 00:48:43,851
-It's hollow ground.
-It is. Yeah.
821
00:48:43,886 --> 00:48:46,337
And it's kinda funny
after knowing Brian,
822
00:48:46,371 --> 00:48:48,201
and hearing the story
so many times,
823
00:48:48,235 --> 00:48:49,409
you can see it.
824
00:48:50,548 --> 00:48:52,999
And you can see him parked here,
825
00:48:53,033 --> 00:48:55,208
and the trooper
that was parked
down the road.
826
00:48:55,242 --> 00:48:57,175
And then the trooper
peeling out.
827
00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,145
And then Brian, hearing the...
As he described the...
[SCRAPING]
828
00:49:01,179 --> 00:49:03,250
The... The rubbing of the legs.
829
00:49:03,285 --> 00:49:05,839
And then, he gets out,
puts the light up,
830
00:49:05,873 --> 00:49:08,980
shines it on it,
and it turns around.
831
00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:11,086
He kinda has
his back, turns around,
goes like that.
832
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,398
And it just turns around
and keeps on walking.
833
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,441
Like, historically, I think...
834
00:49:21,475 --> 00:49:24,616
this location's
really important to the...
To the East Coast.
835
00:49:24,651 --> 00:49:27,067
Especially to New York State,
836
00:49:27,102 --> 00:49:30,105
'cause of
the Abair Road incident...
837
00:49:30,139 --> 00:49:33,556
But, like... I mean,
you and I have talked
about it so much
838
00:49:33,591 --> 00:49:35,144
-you're well aware of this
-Right.
839
00:49:35,179 --> 00:49:37,008
But just... On, like,
a personal level,
840
00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:41,288
this is probably the place
where I finally considered
841
00:49:41,323 --> 00:49:43,670
the possibility
the Bigfoot was real,
842
00:49:43,704 --> 00:49:46,431
on a natural level.
On a real level.
843
00:49:46,466 --> 00:49:49,296
Like, beyond just, like,
fun, myth-making kinda stuff.
844
00:49:49,331 --> 00:49:52,230
What was it
about the location then?
845
00:49:52,265 --> 00:49:53,783
I've never been able
to figure it out
846
00:49:53,818 --> 00:49:55,509
because of all the places
we've gone,
847
00:49:55,544 --> 00:49:59,099
this is the location
that I... genuinely love.
848
00:49:59,134 --> 00:50:00,583
-Right.
-I just love to be here.
849
00:50:00,618 --> 00:50:02,171
Love to come out here.
850
00:50:02,206 --> 00:50:04,208
And, we... We've spent...
851
00:50:04,242 --> 00:50:06,762
I mean, I've been...
This is my fourth trip here.
852
00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,213
You know, on every trip
we spend multiple nights
853
00:50:09,247 --> 00:50:12,768
-out here, just doing this.
Just hanging out.
-Mmm-hmm.
854
00:50:12,802 --> 00:50:14,494
So, I don't know
what it is about the location
855
00:50:14,528 --> 00:50:18,049
other than, maybe, just...
You're just so aware
of the history of the place.
856
00:50:18,084 --> 00:50:21,466
That it... Being here
almost brings it to life.
857
00:50:21,501 --> 00:50:23,192
-Mmm-hmm.
-The... The incident...
858
00:50:23,227 --> 00:50:27,231
to life. And just you...
You do, sort of,
859
00:50:27,265 --> 00:50:30,441
gain a love
or create a certain...
860
00:50:30,475 --> 00:50:33,237
-There's a certain love
for the story.
-Yeah.
861
00:50:33,271 --> 00:50:36,274
And this... This really
does put it in
a different perspective,
862
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:38,656
a real, like,
real life perspective.
863
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:40,106
So I think
that's a big part of it.
864
00:50:40,934 --> 00:50:42,729
What's it like for you
to be here?
865
00:50:42,763 --> 00:50:44,455
Um, yeah, it's great.
866
00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:48,045
-I mean, it's the first time
I've seen any of it.
-Yeah.
867
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,770
Yeah, it's... It's pretty crazy.
868
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:52,566
And having just
been down in, uh...
869
00:50:52,601 --> 00:50:54,223
-The river valley.
-The river, yeah.
870
00:50:54,258 --> 00:50:57,019
-You can kinda put
some pieces together...
-Right.
871
00:50:57,054 --> 00:50:58,089
...in an interesting way.
872
00:50:58,124 --> 00:51:00,540
-Where it might have
traveled and why?
-Right.
873
00:51:13,898 --> 00:51:17,281
SETH: We headed back
to base camp for our final
night on Buck Mountain.
874
00:51:17,315 --> 00:51:21,319
There, Steve Calls unveiled
a piece of history,
in the way of sighting maps
875
00:51:21,354 --> 00:51:24,426
that he's been working on
for over 20 years.
876
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:29,258
Maps that help to show
the ebb and flow of activity
around the region.
877
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:32,399
-Yeah, just tell us
what these are first.
-STEVE: Okay, so...
878
00:51:32,434 --> 00:51:36,990
What I try to do is...
These are the, uh,
the geographical survey maps
879
00:51:37,024 --> 00:51:39,682
of, uh, the areas that,
you know,
880
00:51:39,717 --> 00:51:43,790
are... Are, you know...
From basically, Lake George
to the Vermont state line.
881
00:51:43,824 --> 00:51:46,827
What I've done
is I've marked with dots
882
00:51:46,862 --> 00:51:48,864
different events
that had happened,
883
00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:50,866
-relating to
Sasquatch sightings...
-SETH: Mmm-hmm.
884
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:52,385
STEVE: ...in and around
the area.
885
00:51:52,419 --> 00:51:54,490
This is the area
we're in over here.
886
00:51:54,525 --> 00:51:57,493
This is... You know,
20 years of me coming up here
887
00:51:57,528 --> 00:52:00,393
mainly is the reason why
it includes the forty end casts.
888
00:52:00,427 --> 00:52:04,949
and the... And the, uh...
You know, 2003 there was
vocalizations heard,
889
00:52:04,983 --> 00:52:06,433
pilot knob...
890
00:52:06,468 --> 00:52:10,299
And, uh, you know,
the different base camps,
over the years, we've used.
891
00:52:10,334 --> 00:52:13,026
SETH: How many individual
events is that?
892
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:15,062
-A dozen, or so.
-Okay.
893
00:52:15,097 --> 00:52:19,239
Um, not... You know,
some by our own team,
some by others.
894
00:52:19,274 --> 00:52:20,723
-The one right here...
-SETH: Mmm-hmm.
895
00:52:20,758 --> 00:52:23,036
-STEVE: ...is actually the one
that... That brought us here.
-Mmm-hmm.
896
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,382
STEVE: Brought me here
20 years ago.
897
00:52:24,417 --> 00:52:26,833
And, as you can see,
as you go west,
898
00:52:26,867 --> 00:52:30,388
um, it's almost like
this is a... A push...
899
00:52:30,423 --> 00:52:33,598
through here, into the area.
900
00:52:33,633 --> 00:52:37,361
Um, which is Whitehall,
which is, kind of, to me,
the crossroads.
901
00:52:37,395 --> 00:52:40,433
And, you know, you see heavy
concentrations of events.
902
00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:42,642
And a couple of those events
are... Are with our team.
903
00:52:42,676 --> 00:52:48,199
But the rest of the events,
actually, were from witnesses
since the 1960s.
904
00:52:48,234 --> 00:52:50,408
SETH: Where...
Where's the Poultney,
where we were tonight?
905
00:52:50,443 --> 00:52:53,377
STEVE: Uh, Poultney is
gonna be right here.
906
00:52:53,411 --> 00:52:56,518
-As you can see, it's gonna
come right along here.
-Mmm.
907
00:52:56,552 --> 00:53:00,522
-And it's gonna go
into Whitehall that way.
-SETH: Okay.
908
00:53:00,556 --> 00:53:04,974
-You can see...right.
-STEVE: ...how all those are...
canal or waterway.
909
00:53:05,009 --> 00:53:08,875
So, is it possible that some
kind of straggled along
and went that way?
910
00:53:08,909 --> 00:53:10,083
Absolutely.
911
00:53:10,117 --> 00:53:13,051
So, it... To me what it's
showing is movement.
-Right.
912
00:53:13,086 --> 00:53:16,365
Um, even if they don't go
into the Green Mountains,
913
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,195
it shows a lot
of movement in here.
914
00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:20,818
Of course, now that
I've seen Carvers Falls,
915
00:53:20,852 --> 00:53:23,752
-you know, there's
a lot of pine in here.
-Mmm-hmm.
916
00:53:23,786 --> 00:53:26,375
Uh, so that... That's important
917
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:27,997
-because again
it may provide...
-Cold...
918
00:53:28,032 --> 00:53:29,033
It might provide...
919
00:53:29,067 --> 00:53:31,104
Yeah, it might provide
some more cover, so...
920
00:53:31,138 --> 00:53:35,522
So, well... maybe it's just
kind of a movement into here
and into Carvers Falls.
921
00:53:35,557 --> 00:53:39,871
-Hmm.
-And... you know, you kind of
see the distinct pattern
922
00:53:39,906 --> 00:53:41,597
-of where things are going.
-Yeah.
923
00:54:25,158 --> 00:54:27,298
SETH: Ninety-eight miles
south of Whitehall,
924
00:54:27,333 --> 00:54:29,576
lies another small
New York town,
925
00:54:29,611 --> 00:54:33,615
that has a significant role
in Bigfoot's story
on the East Coast.
926
00:54:33,649 --> 00:54:36,134
I first became aware
of the village of Kinderhook
927
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:38,136
while making
theBeast of Whitehall.
928
00:54:38,171 --> 00:54:41,623
Paul Bartholomew was eager
for me to learn about
the infamous rash
929
00:54:41,657 --> 00:54:44,971
of strange creature reports
that took place
in the early 1980s.
930
00:54:45,005 --> 00:54:47,214
And I was so fascinated
by the stories
931
00:54:47,249 --> 00:54:49,665
that I ended up including
a brief news segment
932
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:54,946
that a TV news crew from Albany
had done on the Kinderhook
creature in our film.
933
00:54:54,981 --> 00:54:58,502
We journeyed out of
the Adirondack area
to visit Western Massachusetts,
934
00:54:58,536 --> 00:55:01,194
and to learn
more about Bigfoot
in the Northeast.
935
00:55:01,228 --> 00:55:04,991
When we discovered
that Kinderhook was right
along our travel route,
936
00:55:05,025 --> 00:55:08,719
we made a beeline
for this tiny hamlet
in the Hudson Valley.
937
00:55:08,753 --> 00:55:11,480
Upon arrival, we met up
with Bruce Hallenbeck,
938
00:55:11,515 --> 00:55:13,655
a key player
in the creature case,
939
00:55:13,689 --> 00:55:18,522
as well as one of
the co-authors
ofMonsters of the Northwoods.
940
00:55:18,556 --> 00:55:21,697
Can you talk about
the Kinderhook
creature sightings...
941
00:55:21,732 --> 00:55:25,356
uh, and... and... Bruce,
and all that kind of stuff?
942
00:55:25,391 --> 00:55:28,428
Sure. If... You know
in some of these regions,
943
00:55:28,463 --> 00:55:30,465
it's not what you would expect.
944
00:55:30,499 --> 00:55:32,812
Albany, New York, uh,
the capital of New York.
945
00:55:32,846 --> 00:55:34,952
If you go just
10 miles south,
946
00:55:34,986 --> 00:55:37,023
you will run into
Kinderhook, New York.
947
00:55:37,057 --> 00:55:38,542
They have a creature
down there.
948
00:55:38,576 --> 00:55:40,992
The leading expert
on the Kinderhook creature
949
00:55:41,027 --> 00:55:42,925
is Bruce G. Hallenbeck.
950
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,101
And Bruce Hallenbeck,
uh, several members
of his family,
951
00:55:46,135 --> 00:55:47,723
have had close encounters,
952
00:55:47,758 --> 00:55:52,418
with, uh, a creature,
and multiple creatures
down in that region.
953
00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:57,837
And a lot of the Kinderhook
creature sightings
took place in or around 1980.
954
00:55:57,871 --> 00:56:03,394
Which is not all that
far removed from
the Abair incident of 1976.
955
00:56:03,429 --> 00:56:06,915
This was a time in history
where Bigfoot sightings
were happening
956
00:56:06,949 --> 00:56:10,263
all over the country,
and there was a general sense
957
00:56:10,297 --> 00:56:12,817
that it's all right
to talk about these things.
958
00:56:12,852 --> 00:56:15,958
TV PRESENTER: ...creature
or creatures
in the Kinderhook area.
959
00:56:15,993 --> 00:56:18,616
It's very elusive,
whatever it is.
960
00:56:18,651 --> 00:56:23,103
In fact, Hallenbeck says
this thing is so elusive that
he'll sometimes see tracks,
961
00:56:23,138 --> 00:56:27,349
and then they suddenly stop,
as if the creature
had vanished into thin air...
962
00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:30,490
SETH: Can you walk us through
Kinderhook creature attacks?
963
00:56:30,525 --> 00:56:32,285
The Kinderhook creature story
964
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,563
really is, in a way, the story
of my grandmother.
965
00:56:34,598 --> 00:56:36,703
But it started with another
family member of mine
966
00:56:36,738 --> 00:56:38,912
my cousin, Barry,
who was
967
00:56:38,947 --> 00:56:41,950
trapping down
in the swamp land
behind my parents' house.
968
00:56:41,984 --> 00:56:45,263
One day, he came
running up to the house,
and I was here,
969
00:56:45,298 --> 00:56:47,265
and his face
was as white as a sheet,
970
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:52,961
and he said he had seen
three creatures
cross the creek down there
971
00:56:52,995 --> 00:56:56,551
that were tall, bipedal,
and had reddish-brown hair.
972
00:56:56,585 --> 00:56:59,450
And they were making
clacking and grunting sounds.
973
00:56:59,485 --> 00:57:02,280
Much later that year,
my grandmother had noticed
974
00:57:02,315 --> 00:57:05,525
that something was taking
her trash bags
975
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,114
from the... The garbage can
on the porch.
976
00:57:08,148 --> 00:57:10,427
Taking the bags down
to the middle of the yard,
977
00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:12,532
untying them
like a person would do,
978
00:57:12,567 --> 00:57:16,398
and rifling through,
to apparently look for food.
979
00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:18,055
So, it must've
had fingers, right?
980
00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:20,298
My grandmother
also found out that
981
00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:23,129
her neighbor, uh,
a woman named Mrs. Walters,
982
00:57:23,163 --> 00:57:24,889
was having
the same experiences.
983
00:57:24,924 --> 00:57:28,479
And she found her trash bag
up in a tree, one day.
984
00:57:28,514 --> 00:57:33,864
And then, uh, one morning,
my grandmother got up
early, around 5:00,
985
00:57:33,898 --> 00:57:35,831
and it was just
getting light,
986
00:57:35,866 --> 00:57:38,385
and she looked out
the... The kitchen window,
987
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:41,112
and saw something
lying on the ground
988
00:57:41,147 --> 00:57:43,701
all curled up, she said,
like in the fetal position.
989
00:57:43,736 --> 00:57:48,085
A creature curled up
in the fetal position
on her lawn.
990
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,846
And she watched for a minute
thinking it was a bear
991
00:57:50,881 --> 00:57:53,780
that was gonna get up
and walk, you know,
and lumber away.
992
00:57:53,815 --> 00:57:57,612
Whatever it was, got up,
stood on two legs,
and walked away.
993
00:57:57,646 --> 00:58:01,167
And they wrote to
theTimes Union back then,
994
00:58:01,201 --> 00:58:03,549
a columnist
named Barney Fowler.
995
00:58:03,583 --> 00:58:06,034
And he dubbed it,
"The Kinderhook Creature."
996
00:58:06,068 --> 00:58:07,656
MAN: ...encounter
with the creature.
997
00:58:08,381 --> 00:58:10,176
[MUMBLING]
998
00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:12,316
Big, tall.
999
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:15,215
And it was standing
on its two feet,
1000
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:16,872
just like a person.
1001
00:58:16,907 --> 00:58:19,219
And covered with black hair.
And...
1002
00:58:19,254 --> 00:58:20,738
So, he published a letter,
1003
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:22,809
and as a result of that,
1004
00:58:22,844 --> 00:58:25,018
scores of other people wrote in,
1005
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:26,882
saying that they had
had similar experiences...
1006
00:58:26,917 --> 00:58:30,127
They'd either seen something,
or they heard something
they couldn't explain.
1007
00:58:30,161 --> 00:58:33,337
And they were all
in the same general area
here in Columbia County.
1008
00:58:33,371 --> 00:58:36,547
It got to the point where
he was getting deluged
with so many letters,
1009
00:58:36,582 --> 00:58:39,619
he finally had to say,
"Okay. That's enough.
We have to stop now.
1010
00:58:39,654 --> 00:58:41,518
"We have to go on
to other topics."
1011
00:58:42,933 --> 00:58:46,868
Finally, in September...
September 24th, 1980,
1012
00:58:46,902 --> 00:58:50,216
my aunt Barbara was bringing
my grandmother home
from her house.
1013
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,563
As soon as my grandmother
got out of the car,
1014
00:58:52,598 --> 00:58:54,945
she heard this noise
from around the side
of the house,
1015
00:58:54,979 --> 00:58:59,190
that she described
as sounding like
a person in mortal agony.
1016
00:58:59,225 --> 00:59:00,778
[SCREECHING]
1017
00:59:00,813 --> 00:59:05,300
My aunt Barbara heard it,
and she was so... So terrified
that she panicked,
1018
00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:08,579
and she locked all the doors
before my grandmother
could get back in the car.
1019
00:59:08,614 --> 00:59:11,306
What eventually happened
was my grandmother
came in to the house,
1020
00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:15,137
and my aunt Barbara
went to get my cousin Barry,
who had a shotgun,
1021
00:59:15,172 --> 00:59:17,001
My grandmother
stayed in the house,
1022
00:59:17,036 --> 00:59:19,832
holding a hammer
in her hand.[CHUCKLES]
Sitting by the window.
1023
00:59:19,866 --> 00:59:22,697
Ready for anything, I guess,
'cause she was a tough lady.
1024
00:59:22,731 --> 00:59:25,976
My aunt Barbara came back
with, uh, her son Barry.
1025
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:29,151
And Barry got up on the porch
with a shotgun.
1026
00:59:29,186 --> 00:59:31,602
And he heard
the rustling of leaves,
1027
00:59:31,637 --> 00:59:35,261
and he heard the thing
moving near the trees.
1028
00:59:35,295 --> 00:59:38,229
And, so he fired the shotgun
up into the air,
1029
00:59:38,264 --> 00:59:40,335
and everything went silent.
1030
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:44,546
Then he fired it again,
and he said this time
1031
00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:46,065
flame came out
the barrel of the gun,
1032
00:59:46,099 --> 00:59:49,724
and the creature screamed
and ran away.
1033
00:59:49,758 --> 00:59:51,726
And, uh, that was
the end of it.
1034
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,004
They didn't hear
anything more that night.
1035
00:59:54,038 --> 00:59:57,559
So, there were
a lot of sightings,
and a lot of vocalizations
1036
00:59:57,594 --> 00:59:59,112
going on through the '80s...
1037
00:59:59,147 --> 01:00:02,184
up in... into, uh,
late 1988 actually,
1038
01:00:02,219 --> 01:00:05,291
when my mother tape recorded
a strange creature,
1039
01:00:05,325 --> 01:00:08,915
making all kinds of bizarre
noises across the road
from their house.
1040
01:00:12,678 --> 01:00:15,197
SETH: Can you, uh,
start by telling me,
1041
01:00:15,232 --> 01:00:17,890
uh, your name
and your connection
to the story.
1042
01:00:17,924 --> 01:00:19,616
The Kinderhook Creature story.
1043
01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:21,894
I'm Susan Hallenbeck,
and I live here.
1044
01:00:21,928 --> 01:00:24,379
My mother and I would
tape the noises, and...
1045
01:00:24,413 --> 01:00:28,417
uh, heard noises
for quite a while
over that one summer.
1046
01:00:28,452 --> 01:00:30,834
When was it, like '82
and again in '88.
1047
01:00:30,868 --> 01:00:33,008
'82 was a variety
of strange noises,
1048
01:00:33,043 --> 01:00:36,011
like, uh, sometimes it would
sound like a pig squealing,
1049
01:00:36,046 --> 01:00:38,255
and other times it would
sound like a giant bird.
1050
01:00:38,289 --> 01:00:39,877
Like a pterodactyl or something.
1051
01:00:39,912 --> 01:00:43,432
And, um, sometimes it would
sound almost like a monkey.
1052
01:00:43,467 --> 01:00:46,125
Um, there was also... I think
it was when we made a tape,
1053
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:47,298
if I'm not mistaken,
1054
01:00:47,333 --> 01:00:50,198
that my father went over
across the road with a shotgun,
1055
01:00:50,232 --> 01:00:52,200
trying to see
if he could see anything.
1056
01:00:52,234 --> 01:00:54,651
And he said he saw
something with red eyes.
1057
01:00:54,685 --> 01:00:55,962
Something that he saw
with red eyes,
1058
01:00:55,997 --> 01:00:58,689
and he said there aren't
really any animals
native to this area
1059
01:00:58,724 --> 01:01:00,277
-that have red eyes.
-SETH: Mmm-hmm.
1060
01:01:00,311 --> 01:01:02,693
So... [CLICKS TONGUE]
That was part of it.
1061
01:01:02,728 --> 01:01:05,178
-WOMAN: Still plays.
-It still... Oh, you have
the original one?
1062
01:01:05,213 --> 01:01:07,560
Is that in there?
Oh, okay, you've done it.
1063
01:01:07,594 --> 01:01:09,804
-SETH: That's exciting.
-All right.
1064
01:01:09,838 --> 01:01:11,668
[STATIC ON RECORDER]
1065
01:01:21,608 --> 01:01:22,748
That it?
1066
01:01:22,782 --> 01:01:24,404
Well, I was trying
to turn it up.
1067
01:01:25,371 --> 01:01:27,373
[STATIC CONTINUES]
1068
01:01:37,832 --> 01:01:40,006
[SQUAWKING ON TAPE]
1069
01:02:03,892 --> 01:02:05,825
I don't think we can hear
anything else, but...
1070
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:09,070
We were almost wondering if it
was some kind of
a bird thing, because...
1071
01:02:09,104 --> 01:02:12,245
Yeah, it would make
weird bird noises...
We still don't know about that.
1072
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,247
And then we shined
the light on it,
1073
01:02:14,282 --> 01:02:16,905
and then, couple seconds later,
it was down
1074
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:18,976
at the other end of the field
where that driveway is.
1075
01:02:19,011 --> 01:02:21,151
Yeah, it moved fast,
whatever it was,
or there were two of them.
1076
01:02:21,185 --> 01:02:22,600
It moved fast whatever it was.
1077
01:02:22,635 --> 01:02:24,326
SETH: But he said he saw
something with red eyes.
1078
01:02:24,361 --> 01:02:25,949
Red eyes, that's all he saw...
1079
01:02:29,573 --> 01:02:30,988
BRUCE: The sightings
continued.
1080
01:02:31,023 --> 01:02:33,577
Uh, there were some
very interesting experiences
1081
01:02:33,611 --> 01:02:36,822
that, uh, people had,
who were neighbors of ours.
1082
01:02:36,856 --> 01:02:40,032
There was a fellow
up the road named,
uh, Philip Wineguard
1083
01:02:40,066 --> 01:02:41,965
who said that he saw it
in a swamp.
1084
01:02:41,999 --> 01:02:44,174
You know, the...
The typical description,
1085
01:02:44,208 --> 01:02:45,865
and he said it was making
a horrible sound.
1086
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:49,489
There was an excellent sighting
by a fellow named Mike Mabb,
1087
01:02:49,524 --> 01:02:53,355
who was fishing
at a nearby dam, one day.
1088
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:56,117
And he saw
across the creek,
1089
01:02:56,151 --> 01:02:58,188
this creature come out
of the woods.
1090
01:02:58,222 --> 01:03:01,122
And this was in
broad daylight, mind you,
this was in the afternoon.
1091
01:03:01,156 --> 01:03:03,400
He said it had
reddish-brown hair,
1092
01:03:03,434 --> 01:03:05,160
very big dark eyes.
1093
01:03:05,195 --> 01:03:08,060
He even said that he could see
its fingernails were black.
1094
01:03:08,094 --> 01:03:10,372
And finally it turned
and went back into the woods,
1095
01:03:10,407 --> 01:03:11,684
and that was the end of it.
1096
01:03:15,101 --> 01:03:18,553
So what you have
in the Kinderhook location,
1097
01:03:18,587 --> 01:03:20,797
is that green pathway,
1098
01:03:20,831 --> 01:03:25,215
going from the Adirondacks,
down around the Albany area
1099
01:03:25,249 --> 01:03:27,562
and along the Hudson River then.
1100
01:03:27,596 --> 01:03:29,667
You can also
extend that eastward.
1101
01:03:29,702 --> 01:03:31,980
And if you go
about 50 miles east,
1102
01:03:32,015 --> 01:03:36,088
then again you're running
into Greylock, uh, Mountain.
1103
01:03:36,122 --> 01:03:40,161
You're running into
the Savoy State Forest
in Western Massachusetts.
1104
01:03:40,195 --> 01:03:42,819
While it wouldn't seem
immediately evident
1105
01:03:42,853 --> 01:03:46,167
that this would be a place
for strange creature locations,
1106
01:03:46,201 --> 01:03:49,101
uh, there seems to be
a... A sensible way
1107
01:03:49,135 --> 01:03:52,829
that this is linked
to other areas of New York.
1108
01:03:55,038 --> 01:03:58,455
SETH: It's somewhat surreal to
visit a place like Kinderhook.
1109
01:03:58,489 --> 01:04:01,907
Almost like
you've stepped foot
in a fictional location.
1110
01:04:01,941 --> 01:04:05,669
This town, like Whitehall,
is so tied into Bigfoot lore
1111
01:04:05,703 --> 01:04:08,775
that any book, documentary,
or podcast on the topic,
1112
01:04:08,810 --> 01:04:12,262
will almost inevitably
get around to bringing it up.
1113
01:04:12,296 --> 01:04:16,162
"A landmark case,"
as Paul Bartholomew
would call it,
1114
01:04:16,197 --> 01:04:19,269
can imprint itself
onto an entire community.
1115
01:04:19,303 --> 01:04:21,858
Even if it's only in the eyes
of those who experienced
1116
01:04:21,892 --> 01:04:23,687
something unusual
for themselves.
1117
01:04:25,102 --> 01:04:28,002
It reminds me, in a way,
of the Pacific Northwest
1118
01:04:28,036 --> 01:04:29,658
and how towns
like Willow Creek
1119
01:04:29,693 --> 01:04:32,213
are forever linked
to their local Bigfoot.
1120
01:04:32,247 --> 01:04:35,250
And just like Sasquatch
left a mark on the men
and women
1121
01:04:35,285 --> 01:04:38,219
who experienced it in the towns
where the legend was born,
1122
01:04:38,253 --> 01:04:41,670
here on the East Coast,
the story remains the same.
1123
01:04:42,775 --> 01:04:46,710
One thing that's impressed me
in the 40 years is...
1124
01:04:46,744 --> 01:04:51,335
how this topic can be a
life changer for certain people.
1125
01:04:51,370 --> 01:04:54,235
A lot of people, this is
not a positive experience,
1126
01:04:54,269 --> 01:04:56,823
but can be a negative
experience for them.
1127
01:04:56,858 --> 01:05:01,725
Uh, some researchers
I've met, treat this
almost like a religion.
1128
01:05:01,759 --> 01:05:03,727
And I would warn against that.
1129
01:05:03,761 --> 01:05:06,247
Take the information down,
enjoy life,
1130
01:05:06,281 --> 01:05:09,698
and just, uh, report on it
as accurately as possible.
1131
01:05:09,733 --> 01:05:12,425
MAN: And just on a... A sort of
practical level, you know,
1132
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:16,084
just the... The idea
of human beings
exploring their world.
1133
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,845
Whether it's just
other people,
or other... places,
1134
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,642
and these exotic,
remote countries
and that type of thing.
1135
01:05:22,677 --> 01:05:25,197
It is just sort of
a natural inclination
to human beings
1136
01:05:25,231 --> 01:05:26,957
to... To go out and explore...
1137
01:05:26,992 --> 01:05:29,856
At the same time,
uh, you have things like
1138
01:05:29,891 --> 01:05:33,860
ghosts or the paranormal
or some kind of
anomalous phenomenon
1139
01:05:33,895 --> 01:05:36,208
that seems to,
sort of, toy with us.
1140
01:05:36,242 --> 01:05:41,316
And wants to be explored
whether we want it
to be around or not.
1141
01:05:41,351 --> 01:05:43,353
SETH: By the time
we left Kinderhook,
1142
01:05:43,387 --> 01:05:45,355
it was already late afternoon.
1143
01:05:45,389 --> 01:05:48,530
That evening
we were to meet up
with Squatchachusetts,
1144
01:05:48,565 --> 01:05:52,258
a Bigfoot research group,
operated out of
Western Massachusetts,
1145
01:05:52,293 --> 01:05:54,467
and headed
by Jonathan Wilk.
1146
01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:56,745
We were still roughly
two hours from the location
1147
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:59,541
where we would be conducting
our night investigation,
1148
01:05:59,576 --> 01:06:02,751
so, with the sun setting
behind the hills
around Kinderhook,
1149
01:06:02,786 --> 01:06:04,581
we made our way
further east.
1150
01:06:06,686 --> 01:06:10,276
As we began to journey
from the populated regions
of Upstate New York,
1151
01:06:10,311 --> 01:06:15,695
the changing terrain gave way
to the densely forested areas
of the Northeast Coast.
1152
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:18,457
Here, not far from
the suburban sprawl
of cities,
1153
01:06:18,491 --> 01:06:20,321
like Boston and Hartford,
1154
01:06:20,355 --> 01:06:21,598
we found ourselves
1155
01:06:21,632 --> 01:06:23,945
among strangely familiar
mountains and foothills.
1156
01:06:27,121 --> 01:06:30,883
Familiar, because here,
nine hours from home in Ohio,
1157
01:06:30,917 --> 01:06:34,162
we'd once again
found ourselves in Appalachia.
1158
01:06:34,197 --> 01:06:36,026
The frontiers
of the Adirondacks,
1159
01:06:36,061 --> 01:06:39,167
had given way to the backwoods
of the Appalachian Mountains.
1160
01:06:39,202 --> 01:06:41,963
And maybe here,
three hours from Whitehall,
1161
01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:43,896
we would find some clue
1162
01:06:43,930 --> 01:06:46,726
as to where the creatures
that wandered down
from the high peaks...
1163
01:06:46,761 --> 01:06:47,727
might end up.
1164
01:06:49,281 --> 01:06:52,146
All right, um, start out
by telling me your name
1165
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:54,148
and your connection
to the Bigfoot subject.
1166
01:06:54,182 --> 01:06:55,839
Uh, my name's Jonathan Wilk,
1167
01:06:55,873 --> 01:06:57,427
and, I... We're here
1168
01:06:57,461 --> 01:06:59,670
in Savoy Mountain
State Forest this evening
1169
01:06:59,705 --> 01:07:02,156
and my connection
to Bigfoot was...
1170
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:04,365
I was a park ranger up here,
1171
01:07:04,399 --> 01:07:06,574
uh, back in the '80s
and the '90s.
1172
01:07:06,608 --> 01:07:09,991
And I had one run
right out in front of
my pickup truck one night.
1173
01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:12,373
About a mile from
where we are tonight.
1174
01:07:12,407 --> 01:07:15,065
SETH: What is it about
this particular area
1175
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:16,687
that you think
draws them here
1176
01:07:16,722 --> 01:07:20,070
-or might... Or might
contribute to their existence...
-Well, all of New England
1177
01:07:20,105 --> 01:07:22,969
is... Is full of patchy
sections of forest.
1178
01:07:23,004 --> 01:07:26,594
New England
was clear-cut three times
over the past 200 years.
1179
01:07:26,628 --> 01:07:28,837
And, so there...
There's not a lot of,
1180
01:07:28,872 --> 01:07:31,357
uh... Uh, protected
forest land up here.
1181
01:07:31,392 --> 01:07:34,429
And, if you wanna find
a Sasquatch in New England,
1182
01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:37,053
go to the few patches
of forest that are left.
1183
01:07:37,087 --> 01:07:39,124
The Pacific Northwest
is so vast,
1184
01:07:39,158 --> 01:07:41,022
there's so many
places to hide.
1185
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:43,956
Here, in New England, there's
not a lot of places to hide.
1186
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:45,958
So, it makes it
a lot easier to pinpoint
1187
01:07:45,992 --> 01:07:49,651
where these creatures
may be, or may have been.
1188
01:07:49,686 --> 01:07:53,241
Western Massachusetts
is at least 50% forested.
1189
01:07:53,276 --> 01:07:57,383
From the middle
of Massachusetts, west,
towards New York,
1190
01:07:57,418 --> 01:08:02,078
there's, there's well over
half a million...
Uh, forested acres.
1191
01:08:02,112 --> 01:08:04,218
SETH: Uh, start out by
telling me your name
1192
01:08:04,252 --> 01:08:05,667
and your connection
to the Bigfoot subject.
1193
01:08:05,702 --> 01:08:08,843
I'm Dave McCullough
from Massachusetts.
1194
01:08:08,877 --> 01:08:11,604
I work with Squatchachusetts.
1195
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,055
I started out, New York, 2005,
1196
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:15,643
probably about
four years straight,
1197
01:08:15,677 --> 01:08:17,023
just goin' up there.
1198
01:08:17,058 --> 01:08:18,680
That's when I...
1199
01:08:18,715 --> 01:08:20,786
Before I met Jon
and Squatchachusetts
1200
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:22,408
and getting reports around Mass.
1201
01:08:22,443 --> 01:08:25,894
I was always, "Uh, gotta go
at least three to four hours
1202
01:08:25,929 --> 01:08:27,620
"up to New Hampshire,
Maine, or..."
1203
01:08:27,655 --> 01:08:30,934
Right after going to Whitehall,
I was just hooked, and...
1204
01:08:30,968 --> 01:08:34,040
I got to know Paul Bartholomew,
a few guys up there,
1205
01:08:34,075 --> 01:08:37,458
uh, you know them all,
Paul Gosselin and...
1206
01:08:37,492 --> 01:08:39,529
just talkin' to them,
they... They're there.
1207
01:08:39,563 --> 01:08:41,393
They're there.
I know they're there.
1208
01:08:41,427 --> 01:08:44,879
Got me hooked and, uh, I've been
steadily into it since.
1209
01:08:44,913 --> 01:08:48,193
What is it about this sort
of region of the country
1210
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:50,850
that you think might appeal
to something like a Bigfoot?
1211
01:08:50,885 --> 01:08:54,509
Until I actually read up
on the East Coast reports,
1212
01:08:54,544 --> 01:08:56,615
Paul Bartholomew, Loren Coleman
1213
01:08:56,649 --> 01:08:59,273
and other researchers
from the East.
1214
01:08:59,307 --> 01:09:01,689
Uh, I've just realized
it's in my backyard,
1215
01:09:01,723 --> 01:09:03,587
I didn't have to
travel far, like,
1216
01:09:03,622 --> 01:09:07,833
in Massachusetts, in general,
there's a lot of farms,
rolling hills,
1217
01:09:07,867 --> 01:09:12,078
Not as steep and hilly
as say maybe
New Hampshire, Maine.
1218
01:09:12,113 --> 01:09:14,495
But abundant food supply,
1219
01:09:14,529 --> 01:09:18,223
from west to east,
it's really a vast state.
1220
01:09:18,257 --> 01:09:22,779
Doesn't look it on the map,
but there is a lot of farms
and lands and swamps.
1221
01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:29,855
SETH: So, where are
we going tonight?
1222
01:09:29,889 --> 01:09:32,340
Tonight, we're going, uh,
about 50 feet over here
1223
01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:34,308
into Savoy State Forest.
1224
01:09:34,342 --> 01:09:37,103
One of the squatchiest places,
I feel, in New England.
1225
01:09:37,138 --> 01:09:38,691
There are more reports up here
1226
01:09:38,726 --> 01:09:41,418
then I... Then I know of
anywhere else in the area.
1227
01:09:41,453 --> 01:09:43,800
I know this area
like the back of my hand.
1228
01:09:43,834 --> 01:09:46,423
I've been working
up in here for years.
1229
01:09:46,458 --> 01:09:47,804
I know all the trails.
1230
01:09:47,838 --> 01:09:50,600
I know all the hills.
I know all the hiding spots.
1231
01:09:50,634 --> 01:09:53,672
And we have
pretty good luck up here.
1232
01:09:53,706 --> 01:09:57,848
I say, you come with us,
you got about a 20% chance
of something happening.
1233
01:09:57,883 --> 01:10:01,231
-Mmm-hmm.
-You got about a zero chance
of ever seeing one...
1234
01:10:01,266 --> 01:10:02,957
-Yeah.
-But, you might...
1235
01:10:02,991 --> 01:10:06,063
You're almost guaranteed
to hear something.
1236
01:10:06,098 --> 01:10:08,480
Either hear something,
or have something
thrown at us.
1237
01:10:08,514 --> 01:10:09,895
We love when stuff's
thrown at us.
1238
01:10:09,929 --> 01:10:11,241
-Yeah. [CHUCKLES]
-We encourage that.
1239
01:10:11,276 --> 01:10:13,036
So, 'cause it never really
lands near you,
1240
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:14,175
it just lands around you.
1241
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:15,901
And they just try
to intimidate you,
and let you know
1242
01:10:15,935 --> 01:10:18,006
that you're really
not welcome here.
1243
01:10:18,041 --> 01:10:19,767
And that we're
invading their area.
1244
01:10:19,801 --> 01:10:22,045
And we always respect that.
We back out.
1245
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:24,392
And we... And we just, uh,
we go on.
1246
01:10:24,427 --> 01:10:27,326
-Yeah.
-And... And that's the end
of the show for the night
1247
01:10:27,361 --> 01:10:29,328
when... When something
like that happens anyways,
1248
01:10:29,363 --> 01:10:30,743
'cause usually we're pretty...
1249
01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:32,987
-Everyone in the group's shooken
up, and we're ready to...
-Yeah.
1250
01:10:33,021 --> 01:10:35,576
-We're ready to move on
to the next place.
-Sort of respectfully.
1251
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:38,579
-Yeah, you respectively retreat.
-Yeah. [CHUCKLES]
1252
01:10:38,613 --> 01:10:40,305
Try to walk kinda quietly,
1253
01:10:40,339 --> 01:10:44,309
you know, 'cause everybody's
trying to turn their ears on
as much as possible,
1254
01:10:44,343 --> 01:10:45,896
and listen.
1255
01:10:45,931 --> 01:10:49,555
Uh, we have extra flares.
We can pass 'em around
if anybody wants to use 'em.
1256
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:51,454
And let's go have some fun.
1257
01:10:51,488 --> 01:10:52,800
All right. Let's do it.
1258
01:11:25,936 --> 01:11:29,733
SETH: You can travel
all over the country,
maybe even the world,
1259
01:11:29,768 --> 01:11:32,564
and find a variation
of the same story.
1260
01:11:32,598 --> 01:11:35,774
A human being,
an unexpected encounter,
1261
01:11:35,808 --> 01:11:37,293
a life changed.
1262
01:11:39,778 --> 01:11:42,367
Something about being in
the forest here
in the Northeast
1263
01:11:42,401 --> 01:11:44,265
just drives it home for me.
1264
01:11:46,474 --> 01:11:50,444
While the Pacific Northwest
is vast with endless acres
of forest,
1265
01:11:50,478 --> 01:11:54,033
here, we're never
that far from civilization.
1266
01:11:54,068 --> 01:11:58,003
Yet, people are still claiming
encounters with the creature
known as Bigfoot.
1267
01:11:58,037 --> 01:11:59,729
In their own backyard,
1268
01:11:59,763 --> 01:12:02,663
these men and women are still
able to wander into the forest
1269
01:12:02,697 --> 01:12:04,941
and maybe, just maybe,
1270
01:12:04,975 --> 01:12:07,737
find themselves with something
more than just a mystery
1271
01:12:07,771 --> 01:12:10,395
or an excuse to head outside
during a pandemic.
1272
01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:15,469
Here, along
the Appalachian Mountains,
1273
01:12:15,503 --> 01:12:17,781
we're in the heart
of the Adirondacks.
1274
01:12:17,816 --> 01:12:21,854
You can find yourself
face to face with a legend.
1275
01:12:21,889 --> 01:12:24,995
It was a really hot summer night
and we just had a thunderstorm.
1276
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:28,447
And I always remember that fresh
smell of the ozone in the air.
1277
01:12:28,482 --> 01:12:29,759
Had the window rolled down.
1278
01:12:29,793 --> 01:12:31,450
It was probably
about 80 degrees out.
1279
01:12:31,485 --> 01:12:34,039
Listening to the Red Sox
on my AM radio,
1280
01:12:34,073 --> 01:12:35,696
checking some of
the outlying boundaries.
1281
01:12:35,730 --> 01:12:38,423
Which one of them
is not too far from here.
1282
01:12:38,457 --> 01:12:41,253
So I pulled into this place
called Tannery Falls
Parking Lot.
1283
01:12:41,287 --> 01:12:43,600
It's a day-use area where people
can have a picnic
1284
01:12:43,635 --> 01:12:47,811
and also go visit this, uh,
300-foot cascading waterfall.
1285
01:12:47,846 --> 01:12:52,368
And I get out of the truck
to pick up some garbage
that was on the ground.
1286
01:12:52,402 --> 01:12:56,406
And as I came around the truck,
this noise came from the woods.
1287
01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:59,996
This six and a half foot tall,
hairy creature came running out,
1288
01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:01,342
grabbed the trash
in front of me
1289
01:13:01,377 --> 01:13:03,413
and took off around
the other side of the truck.
1290
01:13:03,448 --> 01:13:07,175
As it came around
the side of the truck,
it looked me right in the eye.
1291
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:11,559
I was pretty much paralyzed
with fear and shock and awe.
1292
01:13:11,594 --> 01:13:14,010
I went to jump in the truck,
and when I turned,
1293
01:13:14,044 --> 01:13:17,427
there was about
an eight and a half foot one
standing behind the truck
1294
01:13:17,462 --> 01:13:20,292
that let out a scream
that can only be compared
1295
01:13:20,326 --> 01:13:24,607
to probably a gorilla and a lion
screaming at the same time.
1296
01:13:24,641 --> 01:13:26,505
The other one took off.
It was out of sight.
1297
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:28,058
Because it was pitch dark
up there
1298
01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:29,784
all you could see was just
what the headlights
1299
01:13:29,819 --> 01:13:31,303
and tail lights
were illuminating.
1300
01:14:07,822 --> 01:14:10,307
-Did you hear that?
-Yeah.
1301
01:14:10,342 --> 01:14:12,482
-Oh, oh, he's here.
-Is it moving?
1302
01:14:12,517 --> 01:14:14,933
-It did.
-It could be the windmills.
1303
01:14:15,589 --> 01:14:17,625
[INDISTINCT CHATTERING]
1304
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:19,593
It could be the windmills.
1305
01:14:19,627 --> 01:14:21,836
There's windmills
way up in the entrance.
1306
01:14:21,871 --> 01:14:25,150
[INDISTINCT CONVERSATION]
1307
01:14:25,184 --> 01:14:27,497
Everyone was talking at once.
1308
01:14:27,532 --> 01:14:28,774
Yeah.
1309
01:14:28,809 --> 01:14:30,327
And in the middle of it,
there was a real...
1310
01:14:35,229 --> 01:14:37,783
[KNOCK]
1311
01:14:37,818 --> 01:14:39,785
-Did you hear that?
-Yeah.
1312
01:14:44,549 --> 01:14:45,860
[KNOCK]
1313
01:14:47,172 --> 01:14:48,967
-Did you hear that?
-Yeah.
1314
01:14:55,905 --> 01:15:01,531
[KNOCK]
1315
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:07,088
They're huge.
They're far, far, far.
1316
01:15:07,123 --> 01:15:08,607
-They're like 40 miles...
-Seth said he heard something.
1317
01:15:08,642 --> 01:15:12,887
Dude, I thought in the middle
of all you guys talking,
I think I heard him.
1318
01:15:12,922 --> 01:15:15,303
-Thought you...
-Oh, I don't...
1319
01:15:15,338 --> 01:15:18,099
Did you not...
Did you hear something
that sounds like drumming?
1320
01:15:18,652 --> 01:15:19,998
-No.
-You didn't?
1321
01:15:20,032 --> 01:15:22,794
-I didn't.
-Everyone was talking at once.
1322
01:15:22,828 --> 01:15:23,829
Yeah.
1323
01:15:25,348 --> 01:15:27,937
That first one,
I think was legit.
1324
01:15:27,971 --> 01:15:29,732
Where do you think it came from?
1325
01:15:29,766 --> 01:15:33,805
The first one, I have no idea,
'cause it was literally
right when you guys saw that.
1326
01:15:34,633 --> 01:15:36,532
-Everyone started talking...
-Yeah.
1327
01:15:36,566 --> 01:15:37,947
and all of a sudden,
I just heard it.
1328
01:15:37,981 --> 01:15:39,776
Remember when I talked
about discipline tonight?
1329
01:15:39,811 --> 01:15:41,675
Here I am breaking my own rules,
you know.
1330
01:15:41,709 --> 01:15:43,262
It was... It was kind of like...
1331
01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:45,817
-You're sure those red lights...
-It was there.
1332
01:15:45,851 --> 01:15:49,165
That one was distant
but not that distant.
Not as distant.
1333
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:51,754
This one was like
way off in that direction.
1334
01:15:51,788 --> 01:15:54,619
-I think that was a car
turning around I saw.
-Okay.
1335
01:15:54,653 --> 01:15:56,586
'Cause there's a clearing
up there.
1336
01:15:56,621 --> 01:15:58,830
There's like a... Where a bunch
of trails come together.
1337
01:15:58,864 --> 01:16:01,453
My guess is
they took the wrong road.
1338
01:16:16,986 --> 01:16:20,368
Anything we didn't touch on yet
that you wanted to talk about?
1339
01:16:20,403 --> 01:16:23,613
Uh, just the camaraderie,
all the great people
I've met in this,
1340
01:16:23,648 --> 01:16:25,063
it's been a great ride.
1341
01:16:25,097 --> 01:16:26,478
This has been a lot of fun.
1342
01:16:26,512 --> 01:16:28,687
We've been all around
the country.
1343
01:16:28,722 --> 01:16:31,725
Met some
really interesting people,
hundreds of witnesses.
1344
01:16:31,759 --> 01:16:33,692
And going
to some of those things
1345
01:16:33,727 --> 01:16:36,315
and seeing people that
really affected their lives.
1346
01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:39,698
I've seen people crying,
talking about their report.
1347
01:16:39,733 --> 01:16:41,942
Changes people's lives.
1348
01:16:41,976 --> 01:16:43,702
From most of the witnesses
I've heard,
1349
01:16:43,737 --> 01:16:46,981
they look
at the world differently
and... need some answers.
1350
01:17:06,552 --> 01:17:09,279
SETH: When planning
this adventure,
we'd consciously decided
1351
01:17:09,314 --> 01:17:12,075
to save our trip up into the
High Peaks for the final day.
1352
01:17:12,835 --> 01:17:14,008
During our stay in New York,
1353
01:17:14,043 --> 01:17:15,631
and even while
in Massachusetts,
1354
01:17:15,665 --> 01:17:17,563
we've heard about
the High Peaks.
1355
01:17:17,598 --> 01:17:19,738
How the waters flow down
from those mountains,
1356
01:17:19,773 --> 01:17:22,534
how Bigfoot seems to follow
the pass down
from the High Peaks
1357
01:17:22,568 --> 01:17:24,605
during certain times
of the year.
1358
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,089
Patterns upon patterns,
1359
01:17:26,124 --> 01:17:29,748
many of them mapped
by investigators
like Bill Brand and Steve Kulls
1360
01:17:29,783 --> 01:17:34,684
or noted by authors
like Paul Bartholomew
and Bruce Hallenbeck.
1361
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:37,100
It's hard to look at the maps
that Steve has compiled
1362
01:17:37,135 --> 01:17:42,450
and not see pieces of a puzzle
slowly compiled
over the course of decades.
1363
01:17:42,485 --> 01:17:45,799
If Bigfoot isn't real,
then why are there
consistent sightings
1364
01:17:45,833 --> 01:17:48,905
at certain points of the year
in certain areas
1365
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:52,806
with creatures that behave
in very specific ways?
1366
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,567
Why do sightings
seem to correlate
to seasonal changes,
1367
01:17:55,601 --> 01:17:59,019
types of habitat,
water sources, food sources?
1368
01:17:59,053 --> 01:18:01,504
But at the same time,
I've just spent a week here,
1369
01:18:01,538 --> 01:18:03,230
heard a lot
of fascinating stories,
1370
01:18:03,264 --> 01:18:05,577
and aside from
a very suspicious wood knock,
1371
01:18:05,611 --> 01:18:08,994
haven't experienced
much of anything for myself.
1372
01:18:09,029 --> 01:18:11,756
Then again,
guys like Dave McCullough
and Paul Bartholomew
1373
01:18:11,790 --> 01:18:14,206
has spent their entire lives
in this area
1374
01:18:14,241 --> 01:18:16,243
and neither have had a sighting
1375
01:18:16,277 --> 01:18:20,419
despite spending hours
and even days of their time
on the hunt.
1376
01:18:22,042 --> 01:18:23,802
I think
on a psychological level,
1377
01:18:23,837 --> 01:18:27,047
it's sort of been
incumbent on humanity
1378
01:18:27,081 --> 01:18:31,499
to delimit between
sort of chaos and order,
1379
01:18:31,534 --> 01:18:35,780
and our brains are sort of
necessarily noticed patterns.
1380
01:18:35,814 --> 01:18:39,680
And anything that doesn't
function outside that pattern
1381
01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:42,372
is at best a mystery
1382
01:18:42,407 --> 01:18:44,754
or at worst,
like a threat of some kind.
1383
01:18:44,789 --> 01:18:49,414
And Bigfoot seems
to kind of represent
1384
01:18:49,448 --> 01:18:52,520
that... That mystery,
maybe threat,
1385
01:18:52,555 --> 01:18:56,662
that as conscious beings,
we want to grapple with.
1386
01:18:56,697 --> 01:18:59,286
And so it's sort of a mystery...
1387
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,116
It's sort of an embodiment
of that mystery
1388
01:19:02,151 --> 01:19:04,222
that human beings
just like to grapple with.
1389
01:19:04,256 --> 01:19:07,673
That we like to ask questions
of things that are beyond us
1390
01:19:07,708 --> 01:19:11,194
and we want to figure things out
1391
01:19:11,229 --> 01:19:14,404
that don't readily
present themselves
to us clearly.
1392
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,788
Do you have any regrets... uh,
1393
01:19:18,823 --> 01:19:20,928
about your, I guess, your time
1394
01:19:20,963 --> 01:19:22,827
researching the paranormal
and...
1395
01:19:22,861 --> 01:19:25,243
I have not seen Champ.
1396
01:19:25,277 --> 01:19:28,142
I have not seen
the Kinderhook Creature.
1397
01:19:28,177 --> 01:19:30,489
I have not seen
the Whitehall Beast.
1398
01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:35,701
I've heard some things
that I can't explain.
1399
01:19:35,736 --> 01:19:40,085
My only regrets for, you know,
being a cryptozoologist,
1400
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,639
if that's what I am is, uh,
1401
01:19:42,674 --> 01:19:44,676
that I have never seen
my quarry.
1402
01:19:45,919 --> 01:19:48,197
Do you have any regrets?
1403
01:19:53,443 --> 01:19:55,549
[SIGHS] That I didn't
get started in earlier.
1404
01:19:56,619 --> 01:19:58,794
It's a passion.
1405
01:19:58,828 --> 01:20:01,589
There's fights there,
there's causes, there's...
1406
01:20:01,624 --> 01:20:04,316
I've never been the one
to shy away from it.
1407
01:20:04,351 --> 01:20:07,561
If people don't like me or...
1408
01:20:07,595 --> 01:20:10,944
You know, 'cause I believe
or I do this kind of stuff,
1409
01:20:10,978 --> 01:20:12,704
then they're not
really my friend.
1410
01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:16,535
It hasn't
cost me relationships.
1411
01:20:16,570 --> 01:20:18,123
At least not that I think of.
1412
01:20:19,021 --> 01:20:20,643
I'm not super obsessed.
1413
01:20:20,677 --> 01:20:23,335
Normally, I would ask people,
like, "Do you have any regrets
1414
01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:26,718
"about all the time
you have put into this?"
and that sort of thing.
1415
01:20:26,752 --> 01:20:29,376
Do you sort of see this
as a lifelong thing
1416
01:20:29,410 --> 01:20:33,104
or, you know, you think you'll
reach a point where... Where
you sort of move away from it?
1417
01:20:34,036 --> 01:20:37,177
Bigfoot is going to be
in my life forever.
1418
01:20:37,211 --> 01:20:38,695
I love this creature.
1419
01:20:38,730 --> 01:20:42,182
I've fallen in love
with the mystery
and the science behind it.
1420
01:20:42,216 --> 01:20:47,187
I've fallen in love
with the chase of trying
to find evidence of it.
1421
01:20:47,221 --> 01:20:49,914
What intrigues me most
about the Bigfoot phenomenon
1422
01:20:49,948 --> 01:20:54,159
is that there is a creature
roaming the forests
of the United States.
1423
01:20:54,194 --> 01:20:56,403
This creature
is eight to 10 feet tall,
1424
01:20:56,437 --> 01:20:57,714
dark in color,
1425
01:20:57,749 --> 01:21:00,752
screams louder than anything
you've ever heard,
1426
01:21:00,786 --> 01:21:03,893
yet science has not
officially discovered it yet.
1427
01:21:03,928 --> 01:21:06,275
I want to find this creature.
1428
01:21:06,309 --> 01:21:08,208
I want to learn
about its behaviors.
1429
01:21:08,242 --> 01:21:11,452
I wanna learn about its brain
and its capabilities.
1430
01:21:11,487 --> 01:21:14,559
And that is what drives me
to keep going on this search.
1431
01:21:34,165 --> 01:21:36,270
SETH: I think the reason
I wanna go up isn't just
1432
01:21:36,305 --> 01:21:39,273
to see the scenery
or that sort of thing,
1433
01:21:39,308 --> 01:21:43,933
but to actually get a lay
of just how expansive
the place is.
1434
01:21:43,968 --> 01:21:49,180
I think a lot of people
don't understand the size
and scope of the park either.
1435
01:21:49,214 --> 01:21:52,804
How much habitat there is
for something like a Bigfoot
to exist out here?
1436
01:21:52,838 --> 01:21:54,979
Well, just other wildlife too.
I mean, if you think about it,
1437
01:21:55,013 --> 01:21:57,636
we've been skirting
sort of the edges here.
1438
01:21:57,671 --> 01:21:59,397
I mean, we've mostly been
in the southern
1439
01:21:59,431 --> 01:22:02,848
and a little bit
south-central portions
or the eastern portion.
1440
01:22:02,883 --> 01:22:04,540
And now we're going
directly in the center
1441
01:22:04,574 --> 01:22:06,059
where the High Peaks'
wilderness is.
1442
01:22:06,093 --> 01:22:07,577
-Yeah.
-So there's just so much there.
1443
01:22:07,612 --> 01:22:10,270
There's parts that are
four hours from us
as we stand here now.
1444
01:22:10,304 --> 01:22:12,341
So we're not going
to those parts right now.
1445
01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:14,619
So it will just be a good way
to cover terrain
1446
01:22:14,653 --> 01:22:18,140
we probably wouldn't do
with a car in a week,
let alone a month.
1447
01:22:18,174 --> 01:22:20,452
Like you said, I think
getting out into it a little bit
1448
01:22:20,487 --> 01:22:21,971
even though we're not
gonna be on the ground,
1449
01:22:22,006 --> 01:22:23,835
is gonna be... It's gonna be
really cool to see.
1450
01:22:23,869 --> 01:22:26,113
And to get an idea
of the expanse like,
1451
01:22:26,148 --> 01:22:28,184
because I think we only see
so much standing here,
1452
01:22:28,219 --> 01:22:31,325
but up from there,
you can really tell, like,
is there enough room?
1453
01:22:57,627 --> 01:22:59,802
SETH: The first thing I notice
is the flatlands
1454
01:22:59,836 --> 01:23:02,391
that lie just at the foot
of the mountains,
1455
01:23:02,425 --> 01:23:05,704
the same flatlands
where Whitehall sits.
1456
01:23:05,739 --> 01:23:08,914
When you hear
that Whitehall is at the base
of the Adirondack Mountains,
1457
01:23:08,949 --> 01:23:10,502
it's literal.
1458
01:23:10,537 --> 01:23:12,021
It sits just below them
1459
01:23:12,056 --> 01:23:14,713
with the forested hills
spilling into
the same pastureland
1460
01:23:14,748 --> 01:23:16,888
that you find around places
like Abair Road,
1461
01:23:21,168 --> 01:23:22,549
And then the lakes.
1462
01:23:22,583 --> 01:23:24,723
The lakes
fed by mountain streams.
1463
01:23:24,758 --> 01:23:26,967
Lake George, and above it,
Buck Mountain,
1464
01:23:27,002 --> 01:23:29,659
where we'd spent
the first night of our trek.
1465
01:23:29,694 --> 01:23:31,454
Buck Mountain connects
to the same forest
1466
01:23:31,489 --> 01:23:33,698
that run down
from those High Peaks.
1467
01:23:33,732 --> 01:23:35,355
It's easy for me to speculate
1468
01:23:35,389 --> 01:23:38,806
that maybe there are
so many Bigfoot sightings
around that particular area
1469
01:23:38,841 --> 01:23:40,843
because, as with Whitehall,
1470
01:23:40,877 --> 01:23:43,121
the creatures
follow the streams
down in the winter
1471
01:23:43,156 --> 01:23:46,573
to seek shelter
in the coniferous forests
around the lake.
1472
01:23:46,607 --> 01:23:49,334
We spend
what seems like an eternity
flying over mountains
1473
01:23:49,369 --> 01:23:52,510
that rise ever higher into
the sky with endless green
1474
01:23:52,544 --> 01:23:54,857
only broken up by
the occasional river or lake.
1475
01:23:55,823 --> 01:23:58,274
And then our pilot
comes over the radio
1476
01:23:58,309 --> 01:24:00,104
and points toward the distance
1477
01:24:00,138 --> 01:24:03,176
and introduces us
to the High Peaks,
1478
01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:06,869
the last frontier
of the East Coast...
1479
01:24:06,903 --> 01:24:10,148
just the place for an
undiscovered animal to hide.
1480
01:24:53,674 --> 01:24:55,711
Suddenly, it makes
a little more sense
1481
01:24:55,745 --> 01:24:59,163
as to why so many feel pulled
to these mountains.
1482
01:24:59,197 --> 01:25:02,131
Here, just on the outskirts
of civilization,
1483
01:25:02,166 --> 01:25:04,651
lies over six million acres
of cover.
1484
01:25:05,583 --> 01:25:07,792
For Bigfoot, if it exists,
1485
01:25:07,826 --> 01:25:11,520
it's cover from the prying eyes
of human beings.
1486
01:25:11,554 --> 01:25:15,765
For us, it's cover
from the chaos of a world
slowly decaying from within.
1487
01:25:17,284 --> 01:25:19,148
It's a place to get lost
1488
01:25:19,183 --> 01:25:21,254
and I'm happy
to lose myself here.
1489
01:25:34,232 --> 01:25:37,132
Personally, I just view nature
as something I could not
live without.
1490
01:25:37,166 --> 01:25:39,064
Just getting out
on the mountains,
1491
01:25:39,099 --> 01:25:40,928
I don't know how I would
kind of function without it.
1492
01:25:40,963 --> 01:25:42,827
I think it really goes
perfectly hand in hand
1493
01:25:42,861 --> 01:25:45,105
with cryptozoology,
with Bigfoot, of course,
1494
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:48,453
because these are the areas
that this being
is purported to exist in.
1495
01:25:48,488 --> 01:25:50,524
So how could I not want
to just spend some time
1496
01:25:50,559 --> 01:25:52,733
and have a little bit
of that wonder?
1497
01:25:52,768 --> 01:25:55,184
I think sometimes
a trip like this
1498
01:25:55,219 --> 01:25:57,497
could be framed
in terms of an escape.
1499
01:25:58,808 --> 01:26:01,225
But for me,
it wasn't so much an escape
1500
01:26:01,259 --> 01:26:04,573
as it was an embrace of life,
1501
01:26:05,436 --> 01:26:10,026
the way that I like living it.
1502
01:26:10,061 --> 01:26:14,099
Embracing the fact
that there are risks inherent
in everything that we do.
1503
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:20,727
But what on the trail of,
enabled us all to do,
1504
01:26:20,761 --> 01:26:25,490
is to make our own assessment
of the risks again
1505
01:26:26,111 --> 01:26:28,148
and say, "You know what?
1506
01:26:28,183 --> 01:26:32,980
"To go and do this right now,
at this time in history,
1507
01:26:33,015 --> 01:26:35,086
"in this time in our own lives,
1508
01:26:35,845 --> 01:26:37,019
"it's worth it."
1509
01:26:37,882 --> 01:26:41,230
I want to not just exist.
1510
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:44,371
I wanna do more than survive.
1511
01:26:44,406 --> 01:26:47,340
You know, I wanna live life.
1512
01:26:47,374 --> 01:26:50,929
And being out here in the woods
and on the mountains
1513
01:26:50,964 --> 01:26:54,070
and searching
after a mysterious creature
1514
01:26:54,105 --> 01:26:58,143
is living through
a time of challenge
1515
01:26:58,178 --> 01:27:00,215
instead of just existing.
1516
01:27:15,299 --> 01:27:17,439
SETH: Wait, I don't think you...
1517
01:27:17,473 --> 01:27:20,373
ADAM: I've been here for,
this is my fourth time here.
1518
01:27:20,407 --> 01:27:24,653
I had no clue how vast
the Adirondacks were.
1519
01:27:24,687 --> 01:27:26,413
We took that flight,
1520
01:27:26,448 --> 01:27:29,623
and to come out of the area
that I have been to,
1521
01:27:29,658 --> 01:27:31,487
that I have experience going to,
1522
01:27:31,522 --> 01:27:35,042
and see that I haven't even been
at the tip of the iceberg
of the Adirondacks
1523
01:27:35,077 --> 01:27:36,630
and how expansive it is
1524
01:27:36,665 --> 01:27:38,701
especially when you get up
into these High Peaks.
1525
01:27:38,736 --> 01:27:44,086
I mean, just that fact
that it is one of the largest
managed parks in America.
1526
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,468
A lot of people think
you have to go West
for that kind of stuff.
1527
01:27:46,502 --> 01:27:48,987
No, it's right here in New York
of all places.
1528
01:27:49,022 --> 01:27:50,748
Obviously, it's in your city.
1529
01:27:50,782 --> 01:27:54,614
I think for me, just comparing
it to what I'm familiar with
in New England,
1530
01:27:54,648 --> 01:27:56,616
where there is
a lot of wildlife as well,
1531
01:27:56,650 --> 01:27:58,928
and there's a lot of terrain
and the same kind of thing,
1532
01:27:58,963 --> 01:28:00,240
people don't associate it
with that.
1533
01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:02,553
So if you combine
parts of Vermont,
1534
01:28:02,587 --> 01:28:05,487
Western Massachusetts as we saw
with this area,
1535
01:28:05,521 --> 01:28:07,592
you have millions of acres,
essentially,
1536
01:28:07,627 --> 01:28:10,077
where you can get
from one state to the other,
1537
01:28:10,112 --> 01:28:11,803
to the Canadian border and back.
1538
01:28:11,838 --> 01:28:14,047
You've got suitable habitat
for large animals
1539
01:28:14,081 --> 01:28:16,429
such as moose
and black bear already,
1540
01:28:16,463 --> 01:28:18,638
so why wouldn't something else
simply adapt?
1541
01:28:18,672 --> 01:28:20,571
And it seems like
every little town we've been to,
1542
01:28:20,605 --> 01:28:23,159
there's been sightings here
or a Bigfoot story.
1543
01:28:23,194 --> 01:28:26,335
Even down the Kinderhook,
which isn't even
in the Adirondacks.
1544
01:28:26,370 --> 01:28:29,200
This really, I mean,
you get into this particular
1545
01:28:29,234 --> 01:28:32,928
the northern third,
I suppose, of the Adirondacks,
1546
01:28:32,962 --> 01:28:35,171
and it's much more mountainous.
1547
01:28:35,206 --> 01:28:38,796
And the other thing, too,
that just struck me, again,
1548
01:28:38,830 --> 01:28:41,454
is the sheer amount
of waterways.
1549
01:28:42,075 --> 01:28:44,215
Mountain streams, lakes.
1550
01:28:44,249 --> 01:28:47,943
And what we were looking
at a map of the Adirondacks
this afternoon,
1551
01:28:47,977 --> 01:28:51,843
and just the number
of inland lakes,
1552
01:28:51,878 --> 01:28:53,362
connecting streams.
1553
01:28:53,397 --> 01:28:57,642
It's just when we talk
about the habitat
that would be necessary,
1554
01:28:57,677 --> 01:29:00,956
not only do you have
the sheer acreage
1555
01:29:00,990 --> 01:29:03,510
but the water sources
that you would need
1556
01:29:03,545 --> 01:29:06,927
for a population
of larger creature.
1557
01:29:06,962 --> 01:29:09,723
The biggest thing for me
was probably going to...
1558
01:29:09,758 --> 01:29:12,450
As weird as it is,
going down to the Poultney River
1559
01:29:12,485 --> 01:29:15,419
and being able
to geographically figure out
1560
01:29:15,453 --> 01:29:19,354
how those sightings
follow that river.
1561
01:29:19,388 --> 01:29:22,874
And so Whitehall to me
previously
1562
01:29:22,909 --> 01:29:25,981
was a really fascinating,
isolated case.
1563
01:29:26,015 --> 01:29:29,156
Since seeing Steve's maps
and talking to Paul
about all the sightings,
1564
01:29:29,191 --> 01:29:31,262
and hearing about
the Kinderhook Creature,
1565
01:29:31,296 --> 01:29:34,092
and then spilling over
in the Western Massachusetts
1566
01:29:34,127 --> 01:29:37,510
and finding that the same thing
is going on there as well,
1567
01:29:37,544 --> 01:29:40,478
there's a much bigger picture
that we're looking at.
1568
01:29:40,513 --> 01:29:43,412
There's that saying that
there are two elements
to a Bigfoot encounter.
1569
01:29:43,447 --> 01:29:46,139
You know, there's gotta be
a Bigfoot.
1570
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:47,727
Then there has to be a person.
1571
01:29:47,761 --> 01:29:51,420
You add in a space
like the Adirondacks to that,
1572
01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:55,459
there is plenty of room
for a Bigfoot,
1573
01:29:55,493 --> 01:29:58,323
and it is more than vast enough
1574
01:29:58,358 --> 01:30:00,878
for that person
to never come into the picture.
1575
01:30:00,912 --> 01:30:04,675
What was so, uh, moving,
I guess, in a certain way,
1576
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:08,403
was to see the camaraderie
that built up with these groups
that go out together.
1577
01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:11,578
Just by dint of spending time
with one another,
1578
01:30:11,613 --> 01:30:15,340
and being dedicated
to this cause, as it were,
1579
01:30:15,375 --> 01:30:16,790
you get to know each other
1580
01:30:16,825 --> 01:30:20,829
just because you're
out in the woods
multiple times a month...
1581
01:30:21,657 --> 01:30:23,176
regardless
of what you discover.
1582
01:30:23,210 --> 01:30:27,318
To really, like, start to see
the drive those guys have
1583
01:30:27,352 --> 01:30:29,251
and the desire
to keep coming out,
1584
01:30:29,285 --> 01:30:31,460
they all have
their... Their disparate reasons
1585
01:30:31,495 --> 01:30:33,600
for why they're coming out
and doing what they're doing.
1586
01:30:51,169 --> 01:30:53,517
SETH: Most investigators
spend years of their lives
1587
01:30:53,551 --> 01:30:55,519
in the forest
looking for Bigfoot.
1588
01:30:55,553 --> 01:30:58,245
We spent five days
in this part of the country
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01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,869
and in that time
saw nothing for ourselves
1590
01:31:00,903 --> 01:31:04,182
that could equate
to Sasquatch activity.
1591
01:31:04,217 --> 01:31:09,118
But the vast landscapes
and acres of forest
helped explain that for us.
1592
01:31:09,153 --> 01:31:12,708
And on the sixth day, as we
drove back to the real world,
1593
01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:15,055
a world overrun
with a pandemic,
1594
01:31:15,090 --> 01:31:17,886
rumors of wars
and civil unrest,
1595
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,371
none of us felt
that the journey
had been a failure.
1596
01:31:21,406 --> 01:31:23,685
The target had eluded us,
1597
01:31:23,719 --> 01:31:27,102
and yet its presence
was always felt.
1598
01:31:27,136 --> 01:31:30,450
In the months to follow,
the world around us
grew only more tumultuous
1599
01:31:30,485 --> 01:31:33,177
and my desire to head back
to the forests
of the Adirondacks
1600
01:31:33,211 --> 01:31:34,834
became more and more prevalent.
1601
01:31:37,043 --> 01:31:39,804
Like Bigfoot itself,
those mountains called to me
1602
01:31:39,839 --> 01:31:42,427
to come and experience
something different.
1603
01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:44,775
Something extraordinary.
1604
01:31:46,121 --> 01:31:50,297
A call to escape,
to wander, to get lost.
1605
01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:55,475
The journey is calling...
and I must go.
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