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>>DAVID WILCOCK: All right, welcome to "Cosmic Disclosure."

I'm your host, David Wilcock.

I'm here with Corey Goode, and we are discussing

the Secret Space Program.

And in this episode I have a printout

of questions that you've submitted in the comment

forums in the areas that we have at the bottom of each episode.

We are reading them.

We are interested in what you have to say,

and we do want to try to keep this as a community discussion

and not just as something that is relegated

to whatever I can think of to ask him

in any particular episode.

So this is kind of a grab bag.

We're going to have a series of different things to discuss,

and we'll see where it goes.

So Corey, welcome to the show.

>>COREY GOODE: Thank you.

>>DAVID: OK, so the first question

we have is from banjoman1437.

When they say that our local star cluster is emerging

into a higher vibrational place, do they

mean that physically our star cluster is emerging

into a part of the galaxy where there

are inherent higher vibrations?

Or do they mean that we are ascending

from third and fourth densities to fifth and sixth,

which would be more of a holographic approach

to the sense of place and location?

>>GOODE: That was quite a loaded question.

But what I have discussed is yes,

from the center of the galaxy there are constantly

a whole array of rays, different types of energies that

are constantly ebbing and flowing

from the center of the galaxy that are buffeting

the Earth and the solar system.

>>DAVID: The conventional science

says the center of the galaxy is a black hole,

but then you can't see it.

They say, oh, it's hiding behind that giant star

cluster in the middle.

>>GOODE: Right.

But as we know, the galaxy is a giant torsion field.

And it has pretty much an ecliptic plane

with part of the field, like a north and south,

different fields turning in different directions.

>>DAVID: Counter-rotating.

>>GOODE: Counter-rotating.

>>DAVID: Well now, I did document

in "The Source Field" book that there are actually

two types of stars in the galaxy,

and that they do counter-rotate.

There's one type that's going clockwise,

and the other type's going counterclockwise.

And science acknowledges that, but then

they never explain why that's happening or what that is.

So that validates what you're saying.

It's not like this is something you can only hear about

in the Space Program.

>>GOODE: Right.

A lot of this information is out there on the internet.

And we're rotating around, inside this giant torsion

field, our solar system and local star cluster,

as they mentioned.

And we're entering in a different part of our galaxy,

and we have been since at least the 1930s, that

have clouds of high density, high energetic particles.

And when we're getting deeper and deeper into these bands

of giant nebula-type clouds of high energy particles

and as our stars' field interacts with those energies,

it's bringing those energies into the star

through its torsion field energy field,

and that energy feeds out through the planet's feedback

through the cosmic web effect that we've discussed.

>>DAVID: Right.

>>GOODE: So I hope that somewhat answers the question.

>>DAVID: Now, you also said in the interview

that you did with "In5D," Greg Prescott,

that the people in the Space Program

had gone out and sampled that cloud.

So could you tell us that story because that has never

been put on the show?

And I was blown away when you said that.

>>GOODE: They for a long time had

been flying interstellar vessels out

to do telemetry on these clouds, the larger, more energetic ones

that we're heading towards.

And in doing so they learned a lot about the spectrums

of them, the information about them, and they

had some incidents of the craft people having bad things

happening to the people.

I'm not exactly sure what all happened to them.

>>DAVID: So they flew into the cloud?

>>GOODE: I think the field of the cloud, them

just being close enough to the cloud.

They weren't shielded like we would be on Earth

and in our solar system with the protective fields

we have around us.

>>DAVID: I do want to point out that NASA has openly

acknowledged that we're moving into something they call

"local fluff," which is cloudy.

So they've acknowledged it, but they don't ever

say that it's going to do anything.

>>GOODE: And we've been moving into small ribbons of it

since at least the '30s.

>>DAVID: Right.

So people get into the energy fields,

and then they have behavioral problems?

>>GOODE: Behavioral and psychotic problems.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Right.

And they were even testing these frequencies and energy fields

that they were encountering, and these cloud

ribbons that we're heading into on unsuspecting people

on research vessels, and also certain stations

that they had that they were doing testing.

They would tell people they were doing one thing while

secretly, unbeknownst to them, exposing them to the energy.

>>DAVID: Very unethical stuff.

>>GOODE: Oh yeah.

>>DAVID: You had said in the radio show

that people would be zapped with this.

They'd create a semblance of the energy, a simulacra of it,

in the lab and zap people in the lab?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: And what happened to those people?

>>GOODE: It would mostly depend on the-- it varied

on the polarity of the person, what kind of a person

they were.

If they were one of those soldier psychotic types,

they would have a psychotic breakdown.

If they had underlying mental illness problems,

they would become pronounced.

>>DAVID: To address the rest of banjoman's question

here, why does everybody want to skip over fourth density

and jump right to five?

We're in third now.

You don't get to hopscotch two at a time.

Why do people say 5D all the time?

What do you think is going on there?

>>GOODE: How do we know how it works, to be honest?

>>DAVID: So did you hear terms like the fourth, fifth density

in the Space Program?

>>GOODE: Yes.

>>DAVID: You did?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

We could be transitional right now.

We could be third, fourth density right now.

A lot of it depends on belief systems

and that kind of a thing.

When you start talking about what density we're going into,

how it's going to happen-- when it comes down to it,

we really don't know.

We're just going to have to ride the ride and see what happens.

>>DAVID: So the core of the question

was, is this sort of a holographic thing that

doesn't matter where you're positioned,

or is it position dependent?

And you're saying that based on everything that you heard,

it is position dependent.

We are moving into a physical location of fluffy energy

clouds.

>>GOODE: That is what is occurring locally

with us right now.

>>DAVID: OK, cool.

The next one that we have is from dumitru, D-U-M-I-T-R-U.

How will we know when these high-energy waves are hitting

the planet?

>>GOODE: Well, like I said, they've

been hitting the solar system since at least the '30s.

So they're hitting.

They've been hitting.

And they come in sort of waves or patches.

>>DAVID: Would there be an observable solar effect,

like a solar coronal mass ejection or solar particle

emissions-- that kind of stuff?

>>GOODE: I'm told that there are things

that are observable from the sun that are energetic but are not

something that you're going to see in SOHO data.

But on the Earth, for us, I would

suggest being a people watcher.

You're going to feel it yourself.

People around you, you can tell by the way they're acting.

But as a synergy has come in, I mean,

I've seen people that have become triggered

in different ways and people that are showing

their polarity, showing what they're made of,

more than any other time.

>>DAVID: And remember, gravity was working just fine

before the apple fell on Newton's head

and he said, oh, there must be a force doing that.

You don't see anything coming out of a magnet

when it's going to go stick onto the refrigerator.

So these are energetic waves.

It's not like maybe in his mind he was wondering

if there was some sort of starry-looking clouds of energy

that just starts sprinkling into the atmosphere.

>>GOODE: Well, at some point it's

expected to be so strong there will be like aurora

borealis, the peak of it.

>>DAVID: The big surge could have a very detrimental effect

on the electrical grid.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: Were there plans within the Space Program?

Were they expecting that electricity would not

be functioning the way that it does now,

that machines would have to be redone

after this shift takes place?

>>GOODE: Yes.

Some operational stuff they plan on taking

an advantage of that time period for several things.

>>DAVID: Right on.

We pretty much answered this.

The diffusion thing, I think, is just a way of him saying,

is it going to look like something or not?

And it's mostly invisible up until the big moment.

OK, now we have susanonbay.

And this is controversial.

When the astronauts actually landed on the moon in 1969,

didn't they see any signs of other life on the moon

if it was so inhabited at that time?

Did Neil Armstrong know that something was going on,

or did he go to his grave believing

that he was the first man to step on the moon?

Now, there's a lot of stuff that she might not

be aware of that others have done

to help answer that question.

But again, the focus here is on what you know personally,

what you encountered personally, in your days

in the Space Program and with the Alliance now.

>>GOODE: I don't know what these astronauts knew.

It has always been from the beginning,

and even now, common for astronauts to be blank slated.

>>DAVID: Really?

Even NASA astronauts were getting blankslated?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: So there might be stuff that some of them have--

>>DAVID: And for those who don't know what blankslating is,

could you just briefly explain?

>>GOODE: They used to do it through chemicals,

but now they can do it electronically with fields--

affect your memory and give you a screen memory.

>>DAVID: OK.

>>GOODE: I can't really speak for what they remember.

>>DAVID: Well, let's toss out a couple data points.

Number one, Neil Armstrong totally

shunned public appearances-- did not

want to go talk to any crowds.

There are quotes of him saying that he felt like they were all

used, that they were duped.

He became a severe alcoholic.

He basically drank himself to death.

And there are reports that he saw a domed or rounded craft

on the edge of a crater when they had the first Apollo

landing and he was the first one to walk out there,

and that he was basically saying,

somebody else has been here before us.

So did you ever hear about that in your work

on the inside, that event?

>>GOODE: Well, yeah.

I heard that the astronauts did go up to the moon,

that they didn't pick a good place to land.

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It's a very diplomatically split up piece of real estate.

They further angered people when they smashed a command module

or something into the moon like a missile,

and they were asked not to come back.

[laughter]

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: That's what I read and was told.

I don't know if all of the landings really happened

or if they did a landing, screwed it up so bad.

But they continued to do fly arounds,

and there definitely were quite a bit of photographs

and reports of what they photographed

on the surface of the moon.

>>DAVID: Well, there's a lot of data.

And obviously, this is not really

your bailiwick as much as others who have studied this,

but the astronauts had a code apparently

that was "Santa Claus" for extraterrestrial activity.

And they come around the backside of the moon

and they go back into radio range,

and then they say, ladies and gentlemen of America,

I am happy to announce that there is a Santa Claus.

And that was live, and it really kind of freaked people out.

Why did he say that?

What's going on there?

>>GOODE: All astronauts have seen something flying around

out in space.

>>DAVID: Our director, Jay Weidner,

he is sort of the Grand Poobah of lunar landing hoax.

And his evidence is absolutely compelling,

that there was apparently a set also built in which it could

appear that they were on the moon but they really weren't.

And it appears that the director Stanley

Kubrick was involved with that after his work

in the movie "2001."

Did you encounter any direct knowledge

about that, that they had the opportunity to do a set as well

as landing on the actual moon?

>>GOODE: I know they landed on the moon,

but I wouldn't put it past them at all.

They do that type of Hollywood deception kind

of stuff, even up until present time.

It wouldn't surprise me.

>>DAVID: Well, the insider Henry Deacon,

who has incredible amounts of overlap with his Space Program

background as yours, although you

seem to have experienced aspects of it

that he never came in contact with, he did tell me that they

built a set on Earth as well as doing the actual moon

missions because they were in a race with the Russians

to get to the moon.

They did not want it to fail.

They had to fake that it succeeded, even if it did fail,

so they wouldn't lose that publicity war.

And he also said that the radiation was spiking so much

on the moon's surface that a lot of the footage that they tried

to shoot out there was unusable because the radiation would

overexpose the film.

So by having a set that was local here on Earth,

they could conveniently mock up what was happening out there.

So we do have insider testimony that I've personally

had-- I've vetted out these people's credentials--

confirming that the moon landings did happen,

and that they were faked.

And this is one of the things that skeptics have attacked

Jay for, which is not fair.

He's not saying that nobody landed on the moon.

It was both.

That appears to be what happened.

>>GOODE: I would buy that.

I would at least look at it closely.

>>DAVID: Well, it's the government, right?

They always want to have a backup plan.

They don't want to be embarrassed.

They didn't know if this was going to work.

They're sending these guys up there

with crappy technology that was way behind what

they were actually using.

And let's not forget that NASA, in the 1957 charter--

this is the Richard C. Hoagland stuff now--

NASA was chartered as a defense agency in the United States

government that could classify information deemed

inimical to national security.

>>GOODE: All images go through the NSA before they hit us.

>>DAVID: That I did not know.

All right, the next question is from a user named-- well,

this is probably not his real name-- manticore.

And here we go.

Corey, you mentioned that the Lunar Operations Command,

or LOC, may have been started by the Nazis during World War II.

I think it was actually pre-World War II.

I'm curious, if they developed the ability

to travel to the moon during World War II,

wouldn't they have had the technology to win the war?

Putting it differently, how could they

have developed the technology to travel to the moon,

or were they helped by the Alliance or some other group?

Well, those are really two different questions,

so let's come back to the second one.

We'll start with the first one, which

would be if the Nazis developed the ability

to travel to the moon during World War II,

wouldn't they have also had the technology to win World War II?

>>GOODE: Well, you can look at it two ways.

Maybe they just changed tactics, and they did win World War II.

>>DAVID: Depending on how you look at it.

>>GOODE: They went to a high-tech,

instead of a blunt force war of attrition

that they were losing, and moving

into a horrific technological war.

They developed high technology, a breakaway civilization

that was mostly made up of secret societies that

predated the Nazis hundreds of years at least.

And these societies later on infiltrated the West

and took over the military industrial complex--

later on took over the governments and the banking

anyway.

So I really don't see how they lost in the end.

>>DAVID: Wouldn't you also argue that if they

used this advanced technology in the war too much,

it would tip off to the world that they

had it, which could then compromise

their operational security?

>>GOODE: Yes.

And they had developed a breakaway civilization

that they were wanting to keep secret,

and they also had an interest in keeping things status quo,

keeping the Babylonian money magic system in place,

being able to manipulate the world

as it was while they had their own breakaway civilization that

had advanced technology.

And they had high plans on colonizing the solar system,

and they needed the industrial might of the West.

So they found a way of making their enemy their tool.

>>DAVID: Wouldn't you also say that it's

almost like a magic trick, where the magician has his hand up

here, but at the same time he's reached

into his pocket for the next trick?

>>GOODE: Diversion.

>>DAVID: It appears that they lost,

but hey, they've got this awesome base in Antarctica.

They've got this awesome base on the moon.

They're starting to build awesome bases on Mars.

So did they really lose in their mind,

if they have these platforms to work off of?

OK, so let's go to the second part of the question then.

To put it differently, how could they

have developed the technology to travel to the moon,

or were they helped by the Alliance-- which didn't really

exist at that point-- or some other group?

>>GOODE: The Germans were brilliant and already

well ahead, and their scientists weren't doing what

the Western scientists were.

A lot of their scientists were from the Thule Society

and these other groups, and they didn't rule out

the supernatural and only stick to the quantifiable,

like Western science does.

And they were getting better results.

Not only that, they were doing major expeditions

because they believed in ancient aliens

and ancient civilizations of Earth that were advanced

and had advanced technology, and they were looking seriously

into that past and were finding manuscripts

that gave detailed information on how

to reconstruct that technology.

So they were getting pretty far on their own.

>>DAVID: Well, apparently they didn't just

believe in inner Earth civilizations.

They made contact with them, which we've discussed.

>>GOODE: Right.

They were also doing quite a bit of, a lot of people

call it channeling, but they were

doing a lot of broadcasting out into the cosmos,

trying to make contact with beings.

And they did make contact with inner Earth beings

and some of these negative non-terrestrial beings,

and they received help from both.

>>DAVID: Let's take the next question.

And this is from alisback.

I would like to know where these people came from that

are in these colonies.

Are these all the people that were on the side of milk

cartons?

[chuckles]

>>GOODE: Most of these people have

been on these colonies for generations now.

There were, what we've talked about,

the brain drain that occurred across the world, where they

took scientists, engineers-- people from all everything

that you would need to have a new society colony-- offered

them positions, and in some cases, just took them.

There were a couple waves.

>>DAVID: Well, Peterson's data was

that it started in the 1950s and that in those early years,

'50s and '60s, it amounted to 60 million people,

and that they cherry-picked the best and the brightest

scientific minds from all the different nations of the world,

and these people were just told they were going abroad.

And they also seemed to preferentially pick

people who had very few friends or social interactions.

You'd have to write a bunch of postcards before you went,

and then they'd send them out over an interval

of several years' time so that people

got the sense that you were gradually fading out

of contact with them.

>>GOODE: Right.

And this brain drain happened in waves.

>>DAVID: Right.

>>GOODE: And not only that, there

were people that in Common Era that

were just being approached and told, hey, we've got this job.

It's a great honor to be offered this.

You can help save the world-- either that,

or that something's about to happen to the planet.

You can save your family by moving

to one of these colonies.

Here's kind of like a brochure kind of thing.

It looks like "The Jetsons."

It looks wonderful, utopic.

But when they arrive there, it's a totally different reality.

>>DAVID: Well, if people have seen the Mars colony inspection

episodes, remember where that guy asked you

where you were from who was up at the colony.

You said Texas, and why was that so shocking to them?

>>GOODE: Well, because that colony

had been told that the world had suffered a cataclysm,

and the surface was not survivable.

And not only did I say I was from Texas,

but I had a sunburn, and I smelled like aloe,

and I didn't smell right.

I didn't smell like someone that had lived on a colony

or lived on a vessel or out in space.

I smelled totally foreign to them.

>>DAVID: To get to the other part of the question then,

he's kind of digging for, are these people

that are going missing-- are they being abducted?

Are they dying?

But all these missing people each year

that are showing up on the milk cartons,

are there people being pulled into the Space

Program that way, where it's involuntary conscription

and abduction, and then they just get stuck up there?

>>GOODE: That is occurring.

Also, we've discussed the more disturbing aspect

of approximately a million people going

missing on the Earth every year that are used in interstellar

slave trade system that is pretty

disturbing that our own people are taking part in.

>>DAVID: Somebody might want me to ask this, which

we haven't quite gotten to-- are they also recruiting people

now?

Are they pulling people out of the military?

>>GOODE: They're still recruiting people

from the military.

>>DAVID: But there are still people

getting pulled in now, both on this sort of captive level

as well as on an official invitation level?

>>GOODE: Right, a lot of people in the Air Force and Navy

are being invited, even in some of these 20-and-back programs.

>>DAVID: Right.

OK, cool.

Now we've got sylviepollard.

Is it possible to still see suns-- i.e., stars--

when you're out in space away from any atmospheres

of a planet or a biosphere?

>>GOODE: Yes, just like our satellites that are telescopes

are able to see stars.

Yeah, you can see stars.

>>DAVID: I guess what she's referring to is

that there was some speculation, maybe

in the alternative community, that the atmosphere was

actually causing stars to be visible,

and that the visible light only activated

when it hit atmosphere.

So that's not actually the case?

>>GOODE: No.

>>DAVID: OK.

OK, mikepatterson2, if the replicators

can make gold, silver, or $100 bills, then

what is the point of mining asteroids,

mining the moon, et cetera?

Well, they've got a replicator called the Federal Reserve,

right?

They can make as many $100 bills as they want.

>>GOODE: They've got different types of replicators.

They've got the food replicators and material replicators.

>>DAVID: OK.

>>GOODE: And the material replicators

can replicate small amounts of minerals

and different types of things like that.

And even if you wanted to, a complex thing

like a $100 bill, if you wanted to have

a $100 bill in your pocket during a time

when you don't need money.

But it is not really feasible to replicate

large amounts of cubic tons of these not just gold but of all

these different minerals that they need to then take and put

through the process of creating all

these different technologies that they trade and sell

to other secret space programs and societies.

>>DAVID: One of the insiders from Dr. Steven Greer's

original disclosure project, "The 39 Witnesses,"

was a guy who talked about particalization.

And that was the term that he was

told that they used for this replicator technology.

And the use of that term implies that you are essentially

molecularly assembling.

You're assembling at a quantum level.

Is that why you're saying that, other than small amounts,

it starts to become nonfeasible?

>>GOODE: It's not practical.

I mean, if you need 3,000 metric tons of palladium

for a certain part and it's in a meteor,

with the technology they have, automated technology,

they can go take it out and then just transport it

to where it's needed.

When the material replicators-- you're

going to be producing very small amounts.

It's just an industrial--

>>DAVID: Well, you seem to understand that.

But I don't know if we do.

Why are there only small amounts?

Where is it drawing from to create matter, first of all?

Do you have to put in some kind of base material

similar to like in "Back to the Future,"

where they were dumping banana peels into the core

of the car, that kind of thing?

>>GOODE: No.

It's creating matter out of energy, just like our sun.

Our sun is a giant replicator.

It's taking energy that's coming at it from

not only within the cosmic web but from the cosmos,

and that energy is interacting with its field

and it is creating base minerals and chemicals that

are coming out of it.

>>DAVID: Like the expanding Earth hypothesis, where

you can take away the oceans and shrink the continents down

and they all fit together into a globe that's only 55%

of its current size?

>>GOODE: The sun is producing steam, which is water.

>>DAVID: Right.

>>GOODE: How does it?

The sun is producing steam, which becomes water?

I mean, the sun is a giant replicator.

And it's taking background energy of the cosmos,

and it's converting it into matter.

So it's converting energy into matter is all this is doing.

>>DAVID: Somebody would counter, well then, why couldn't you

just build a bigger replicator?

And if you make it large enough, then you

should be able to generate large amounts of material

quickly and easily.

>>GOODE: You can produce larger replicators,

I'm sure, to produce larger amounts of materials.

But it has just been more practical for them

for the long-term to mine the asteroid belt.

It's something they've been doing for a very long time.

It's been very lucrative.

It's paid for itself.

It's done autonomously, remotely.

Only a few people have to be at one of these mining stations

to manage all of the remote equipment,

and it's transported where it needs to go.

>>DAVID: Well, I want to bring up something

that Jacob also said that was relevant to this question,

the Space Program insider who I was in contact

with for several years.

He said that you can make gold in a replicator,

but part of what the Draco really want with the gold

is that there are actually some 200 properties of gold

and how they can use it for all kinds

of weird advanced technology, including healing

stuff and other stuff, and that where

the gold forms on the Earth has a tremendous effect

on its energetic properties and what you can use it for,

that it is literally impregnated with the energy of the Earth's

grid.

And you do not get that type of stuff

if you make it in a replicator.

Have you heard anything about energetic properties

of materials where the natural stuff is better than the stuff

you can make in the replicator?

>>GOODE: I've heard that the gold and minerals

that were mined in the asteroid belt

had the exact same energetic properties of that of Earth.

But I had not heard that type of information.

>>DAVID: OK.

So the next question we have is from camareneo.

So if there are all these different types

of human extraterrestrials, then are they all in a conference

room with you?

And if so, I wonder how they are all

able to breathe the same air.

>>GOODE: All of these different groups,

I'm sure, breathe different types of air

of different environments.

But these groups are not flying from another star

system for these meetings.

They have embassies on our planet and in our solar system.

So they, I would imagine, are acclimated here

or have some sort of high technological workaround

for it.

At one meeting, when there were new beings that we didn't even

know were here, there were aquatic-type beings

that you would think breathe only underwater that

were present.

Is there anything further, or are we at the end?

>>DAVID: We're at the end, and that's

your questions for Corey Goode here on "Cosmic Disclosure."

>>GOODE: I enjoyed answering the questions.

>>DAVID: Yeah.

This has been fun.

And as always, we thank you for watching.

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