All language subtitles for The Ricky Gervais Show s02e12 Art.eng

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and Karl Pilkington

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Hello and welcome
to "the Ricky Gervais Show"

with me, Ricky Gervais,
Stephen Merchant...

- Hello. - ...
And the little round-headed buffoon

that is Karl Pilkington.

Hi.

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What is art?
It's a very broad term.

It's a very difficult
one as well.

Well, let me throw that question
over to Karl Pilkington.

What do you wanna know?

Well, we were just trying
to clarify what art is.

Uh, it's just something
for your eyes to look at.

- Right. - It's just a change
from the norm, isn't it?

- Um...
- Mm.

I mean that's why I think
most people have it.

But then the problem is
I'd never buy a piece of art.

I don't see the point in buying
something because I know

- that my eyes will get bored of it eventually.
- Ricky: Right.

Have you got much art
in your house?

- Yes.
- Really?

Because it gives me pleasure
and I don't get tired of it.

- I don't get bored of it.
- Do you look at it every day?

- Well, it's there, isn't it?
- Yeah, but other things are there too.

Dust is there but...
Surprisingly, I've not compared

art d dust as often
as I perhaps should.

- ( Laughing )
- But the thing about...

And this, I think,
may be intriguing to you.

Damien hirst, of course,

is more of a conceptual artist
like Tracey emin.

And a lot of what
contemporary art does

is followed on fr a a guy
called marcel duchamp

who I'm sure
you're familiar with.

- Uh... - Stephen: Now he
famously... ( Chuckles )

He famously took
a gentlemen's white urinal

like you'd find
in a pub toilet

and he put it on its side
and he signed it

with a fake name and he put it
in an art gallery.

Now he did that in about 1917,
perhaps a bit later.

It just annoys me because they'll be
snobby people who haven't got a clue.

And they're looking at that and they go,
"oh yeah, I see what he's trying to say."

- Well, that might make them think.
- Damien hirst...

I don't feel angry
with Damien hirst really

because he's
getting away with it.

But why does that annoy you?

Because it's people
falling into the trap.

Damien hirst, before he dies...

I'll bet he goes,
"what a laugh that was.

- I had everyone on.
" - That's a very good point as well

because some people think
that the greatest art form

of the last hundred years
is marketing.

- Eh. - Some people say
that that is his art.

That it's not good enough
to do it.

You've gotta then
get away with it.

And if art... if the point
of art is to inflame,

I don't think anything inflames
people more than the discussion

about whether something's art
or if someone's taking the piss.

Oror if someone gets $50 million
for something, do they deserve it?

- Is it worth a hospital?
- Well, what do you think?

What do you think
of the shark in the tank?

I think I was blown away by it.

I thought I had never seen
anything like it before.

It was sort of spectacular because
it is so huge and so vast

and to have put a shark,
you know, in formaldehyde

and to have hung it
in an art gallery...

It's very striking
when you see it.

- Yeah, it is.
- It's a remarkable achievement.

But what is he?
Is he an artist or a fishmonger?

- ( Ricky cackling )
- Karl: What he's done...

anyone could have done
what he did.

Yes, but not everyone did it.
He did it.

- ( Coughs )
- ( Laughing )

This is an interesting point
that you raise.

It's the same old point
you always raise.

Not... anyone
could have done it.

That's always the same point you
make... anyone could have done it.

- They didn't do it. - But, Karl, you
could say the same about Michelangelo.

Is he an artist
or a painter and decorator?

Well, it hasn't caught on, has it?
Like the crying boy photograph.

No one's having them
in their house.

No one's gone, "have you seen the
new trend... a shark in a tank?"

- No one's got the room.
No one wants it. - ( Laughing )

And that, to me,
shows you what's popular.

At the end of the day,
if everyone wants one,

it's gotta be good, hasn't it?

But I think if people
were given a chance

to appreciate
more sophisticated things,

then they would.

And I just think that that's... I think
that's true in all walks of life.

You know,
it's an acquired taste.

And the best things
are an acquired taste.

I mean I haven't got
pictures in our flat

because of that
mirrored wall I've got.

- Right?
- Yeah.

So I mean it's tiny.
You've been in it.

I've got windows on one wall,
door to get in on the other,

kitchen on the other,
mirrored wall on the other.

- So there's no way...
- No space for art.

- There's no space for art.
- I'm intrigued how you sit at home.

What's... where's the sofa?

- At home?
- Ricky: Yeah.

- Facing the mirror.
- ( Door opens )

So you sit looking
at yourself all night...

- Yeah.
- ...As opposed to a p?

Yeah, but at least
that changes each day.

- No, it doesn't.
- It does.

- The picture changes. - No, it's round
and miserable every fucking day.

No no, honestly.
It's good to...

Because you don't look at yourself
otherwise, especially me.

I haven't got any hair
to comb or anything.

So I don't look in the mirror
as much as the normal person.

Whereas now,
I'm looking there every day.

So you're sat at home
staring at yourself?

Karl: No, because the telly's
in front of the mirror.

Stephen: But are you not slightly
distracted by yourself?

Yeah, you do.
When the adverts run, you look up.

And if Suzanne's
sat next to me,

I tend to talk to her
through the mirror.

( Laughing ) What do u u mean?

So why don't you look at her
when you talk to her?

Well, you don't... you don't have
to turn your neck or anything.

There's no neck usage going on.

I can just look forward.
I look at the telly, lift the eyes up,

look in the mirror,
looking at me look at her.

( Ricky laughs )
And what does she do?

Well, we're used to it.
That's... there's nothing wrong with that.

It's like there's more people
in the room in a way.

( Laughing )
And they're further away.

There's nothing odd about that.

Why wouldn't you use...
it doesn't matter...

Sorry, why wouldn't you talk to your
girlfriend via a mirror all the time?

Is that your question?

Well, no.
I think it's quite normal.

If your head is facing a mirror

where you can see everything in that
room... remember it's a small flat.

I can see everything that's going
on in there without moving my head.

- Stephen Hawking would be well happy.
- ( Ricky laughing )

So I can look forward.
She's sat next to me.

If I'm watching the telly,
I can say something.

Now she's getting the sound from
me still because she's sat close.

- Ricky: Yeah.
- But yeah, we're further away,

but things look better
from a distance anyway.

( Laughing )

So that's how you've managed
to keep this relationship alive.

You're such an odd little man.

But no, it's not odd. You see, there was
a woman on the estate who did use...

Have I told you
about miss piggy before?

- No. - It rings a bell.
Go on.

I think I told you ages ago.

It's this fat woman
who used to be on the estate.

She had
a three-Wheeler bike.

Stephen:
A push bike, a pedal bike.

- Karl: Like a tricycle thingy, but a big one.
- Stephen: Right.

She used to sit her husband in the basket
in the back, cycle about, what have you.

She was known as miss piggy.
Anyway...

Ricky: Oh, is this the one
that she used to beat him up

so your dad pretended
to be a policeman?

Yeah, that's it.

Anyway, the way she used
to communicate...

she used to always go in quick
save and Nick biscuits.

And if anyone went up to her to
say "stop nicking the biscuits,"

she'd pull out a little
mirror out of her bag

and she'd look in it but
talk to you via the mirror.

( Laughi ) )
Oh God! How mad is...

- so she was insane. - This place where
he grew up... it's weird, isn't it?

- It's like narnia. - It was really weird.
It used to scare me.

- It's like a Salvador dali painting.
- ( Siren wailing )

- You exist in there.
- ( Ricky laughing )

Yeah. It's really
really weird.

So hang on.
So she used to talk to people

through the mirror
because she was mental.

I couldn't sit, watch the telly

and look at me watching the
telly in a mirror all night.

- Stephen: No no.
- Ricky: That's weird.

- That would be really weird.
- Why?

It's really weird,
Karl. Oh.

I'd be very conscious
of myself,

conscious of the way I'm sat.

It gives you
confidence and that.

- And if you are sort of...
- Gives you confidence?

Yeah, because you're
seeing yourself more

and you pick up what habits
you do and stuff like that.

So what have you changed through
your viewing of yourself?

I sort of grew a beard
through the week,

just something different
to look at for a bit.

And then you get sick of that.
Itit's like a piece of art.

Change that.
Have a bit of a shave.

Can you see the back
of the telly in the mirror?

A little bit, yeah.
If the flat's a mess, it's a mess twice.

( Cackling )

Oh God. Oh.

Sculptures.

What do you think
of sculptures?

I mean because
that's something...

that really is getting into the
3-d world there, isn't it?

No longer do you have to
represent something as 3-d.

You can make something.
You know, is it...

You know, the statues
are amazing, aren't they?

They're clever, aren't they?

I mean they always
look the same.

Well, that's not true, is it?

Because recently there was
quite a controversial one,

a huge one in London...
the pregnant thalidomide woman.

- What do you think of that?
- Oh yeah, I saw that.

- Thoughts?
- ( Exhales )

I wouldn't have it in my house.

( Cackling )

Well, there wouldn't be room because
it would just be you, Suzanne

and a pregntnt thalidomide
watching telly.

- ( Laughing ) - I don't know
what it was trying to say.

- It's...
- Maybe she was saying,

"okay, we've had
the human form.

This is an example
of the human form."

Yeah, but do you think she
started off trying to do normal

and it was like, "oh,
I've chipped a bit off"?

( Cackling )

She... one of the arms
got chipped off?

It makes you wonder,
doesn't it?

( Laughing )

And why... you see that square?
Trafalgar square?

You've got that...
Nelson's column.

He's got one arm and a leg
missing or something

and a patch over his eye.

And you've got the thalidomide.

Why can't they just do
a full person?

( Cackling )

Oh!

That was what they saw.
That was what the artist saw.

It's about confronting us with ctatain
preconceptions of what that...

What we expect of the human form,
what we expect of sculpture.

It's probably a little ironic comment
as well on the famous rodin.

It's been wrapped up with all
kinds of ideas of maternity,

of the human form,
of what sculpture is.

Why wouldn't you put that
in a big public place?

But what about the subject?

Did you think, "who's that subject?
Who is that woman?"

No, not really because
thalidomides are around

and we've all seen one.

It's not like a shocking...
a shocking image.

It's one of life's little
things that it Chucks out.

There are some out there.

- So it's not shocking, is it?
- Amazing amazing.

I don't understand
what you mean.

I think what I thought is
it just goes to show

we could be sort of
running out of ideas.

What do you think of people
who are so angry at art

they try and censor it
or they try and destroy it?

Do you think art
should ever be censored?

It's where you put it.
If it's in a gallery,

then it doesn't
have to be censored.

If it's in trafalgar square

whereveveryone's wandering
around, having a nice time,

you don't want a 12' cock.

( Laughing )

So it's all about
where you put it.

I think some art looks better
because of where it is.

Angel of the north...
that's a bit of art.

But it's a bit of a
surprise, isn't it?

- You're driving along a
miserable motorway. - Yeah.

"H, h, what's that
over there?"

Gives you something for
your eyes to look at again.

Motorways are the most
boring place to drive.

But you go, "oh, look, there's
a bit of art over there."

Yeah, but then again,
should you be looking at art

when you're going 70mph
along a motorway?

Well yeah,
because it's really big.

- You can keep your eye on it
and... - Look in the mirror.

You can...
it's not a problem.

Wait till you go past it and
look in the mirror like normal.

So you like
the angel of the north?

Becae e it's something
inhehe middle of notngng.

Right, but if you put it
somewhere else...

Stick it in trafalgar square,
you'd go, "oh, orore clutter."

( Snkekering )

I remember we rere shown
the cartoon version

of "animal farm"
when we were about 15, 16.

We were discussing it
afterwards about,

"oh yeah, Napoleon.
Oh yeah, great.

Oh yeah,
communism versus...

ohd d this bloke went, t,"
"you lot make me sick.

It was just a nice film
about some animals."

( Laughing )

- Brilliant.
- Yeah.

- What's your take on that, Karl?
- ( Laughing )

Stephen: No, go on.
What's your point?

Because you can see
the irony there, can't you?

- - I haven't seen it.
- No?

Uh, if you wanna do a serious
point, don't use animals.

Nono? Well,
I sasagree there,

because I think my favorite
is probably chleles dicken

and I think the greatest sto e
ever told is "a Christmas Carol.

And thers s only one way
ththat couldvever be improved,

that absbsututely ghght, yeah.
- And I think that you cld......

and I think people could
take a lesson from that

and d ybybe other f fms
th theheuppepe.

- "A muppet schindler's s St."
- Ststhen: Yeah.

Ririy: Stephen:Ou could make e
"schindler's list in space."

( Laughing )

"Miss piggy's choice."

- Well, we talked about that.
- What?

About things like that
in art as well.

Do you think that bringing
something so serious

to the masses like films do...

Things like the holocaust
and like "Sophie's choice,"

where she has to choose
which child lives and dies.

Why does she have to pick?

Well, because the Nazis were
horrible nasty evil people.

Well, which one did she pick?

I don't think that's the point.

I don't think
that's the point.

- I love the idea that...
- This is not a betting game.

No, but I imagine this is
like "deal or no deal."

It's kind of you're down
to the last...

- down to the last two.
- ( Laughing )

- Karl: Which one are you gonna go for?
- ( Buzzer )

- ( Laughing )
- Oh God.

But why did you ask,
"which one did she choose"?

Because even...
if he had said the names,

Robert and Allison,
what difference would it make?

You don't know the story.
Why is it...

No, because then I'd ask more.
I'd ask more then.

If he said Allison, I'd go, "what
was it with Allison that...

What did she have
over Robert?"

That's what films
are meant to do.

You question it. Whenever I
watch a film with Suzanne,

I always say at the end,
"what was going on there?"

- That's because you're an idiot!
- Oh, Jesus Christ!

That's because you've just watched
"a muppet Christmas Carol"

and you can't understand
why a frog's able to talk.

I'm all for films
with a good storyline.

- Yeah? - Brilliant.
That's a perfect point.

- ( Laughing )
- What an extraordinary point.

This is gonna be... he's
gonna follow this up, mate.

- He's gonna follow this up.
- He's got something here.

Come on. Karl, go on then.
What's your take on films?

Films are really good.
You can get lost in them.

- Right.
- And uh...

- you like one with a good story.
- I like...

I mean whenever anyone asks,
it's always the same.

It's "elephant man."

It's because...
"mission impossible ii."

- ( Laughing ) "Mission impossible ii.
" - "Mission impossible ii"?

These are what you consider
great works of film art?

No, I'm just saying these are
ones I've enjoyed recently.

There's so many films
that I haven't seen yet.

You always say,
"oh, have you seen so and so?"

What, "mission impossible I"?

( Laughing )

There's good news for you.

- "III" is out.
- ( Laughs ) That's true.

One of the most striking
art exhibitions

that I ever attended, Karl, was
an exhibition of outsider art,

something I'm sure
you're very familiar with.

Outsider art, of course, is
work that is made by people

who are often institutionalized
for mental health problems,

or they are just
incredibly, you know...

The people who aren't in any way
part of the art establishment.

Well, they're all right up
to psychopathic murderers.

Clinically insane mass murders

would count as outsider art.

I went to an outsider art
exhibition in New York.

It was incredible and I bought
a painting off this guy.

He's a chronic schizophrenic.

And he paints in tar,
like road tar,

that he gets from roads.

And he paints in that
on wood he finds in skips.

And it's incredible because
it's sort of like scratched in.

And it's amazing.

It's this thing of Jesus being
helped down off the cross.

Admittedly I was walking
around there going,

"this is fucking mental."

And Jane was going, "you've
got to stop saying that."

Because of course some of
the people are mental.

There was one bloke who had done
a sculpture of a skull, right?

( Laughing )
And underneath...

it was like a little head
with teeth.

Underneath he had put a sign
that said "real teeth."

( Laughing )

Where did he get
the real teeth from?

What I think
is interesting about that

is how much therapy it provides

for these often
mentally unstable people.

Which is another important
value of art of course...

People's self-expression,
people being able to give

a little piece of themselves
through their work.

Do you not see
any value in that?

How do you express yourself?

- Whistle.
- ( Cackling )

- You whistle?
- Yeah.

I found over Christmas I whistled
a lot more than I usually do.

And I think that
was just freedom.

- What do you mean "freedom"?
- It's freedom.

Right, expand on this point,
if you would.

Well, that's what
art is, isn't it?

It's you being free
of all the world's heaviness

on your shoulders.

See, that's
a great quote, that.

That's great, that.
For art is freedom.

I love that because I think you've
really hit on something there.

Would you include the "free of all the
world's heaviness" in the quote as well?

- I know what he meant there.
- Would you include that one in it?

I mean I would include the
world's heaviness in my freedom.

You know, some artists
are attracted

to the dark side,
the heaviness of the world.

But I just want to return
to you whistling

as your artistic expression
of freedom.

I mean, why do you
find yourself whistling more?

That's what was weird.

So just take us through
a typical day.

- When would the whistling begin?
- So all right,

you spent Christmas
down in Kent

with Suzanne
and her parents.

- Karl: Yeah.
- Yeah.

Could I suggest something?

Your freedom
was thinking,

"I'm in my own place now.
I'm going to annoy them."

Well, it was mainly... it's when
we were playing scrabble.

And they were taking ages
to have their go,

and couldn't have
the radio on

- because the boiler affects the radio.
- ( Static over radio )

You've got boiler problems
down in Kent as well?

It works. It just gives something
off every time it kicks in.

- The radio goes all staticky.
- Ricky: Right.

So I just was sort of
supplying the soundtrack.

- ( Ricky laughing )
- ( Whistling )

And what kind of things
would you be whistling?

It was like... I just
sort of did a whistle medley.

It was going from one thing
to another.

- A wedley?
- And her mum was impressed.

She was like, "oh, you can
whistle, can't you?"

I was like, "yeah." And then she was
saying, "how loud can you go?"

I was just doing
all different levels.

Sorry, this sounds like a scene from
"one flew over the cuckoo's nest."

The boiler is setting off
the radio.

"I can whistle."
"You're a good whistler?"

"Yeah."
( Mimics whistling )

"Oh, there's scrabble."
Talk about outsider art.

I love the fact that Karl's life
is like living in a home...

- It is. - ...
When you're in your 80s.

- Yeah. - But you felt
that this was your way

- of expressing yourself.
- I just found it odd

because I'm not...
I don't whistle that much.

I think just because I'm...
I think I'm fed up

most of the time
when I'm in London.

And you don't whistle
when you're fed up, do you?

Whistling is a happy thing.

You never get
an angry man

suddenly breaking
into a whistle.

Well, the people who aren't
whistling are usually pissed off.

But yeah, the bloke who's
whistling, it's like... yeah.

It's the least... he's the
least-annoyed person in the room

when someone's whistling.
Same as holding a drill.

The only person
that noise doesn't annoy

is the bloke
who's drilling.

Everyone else wants
to punch his face in.

- Same with whistling.
- ( Whistling )

- There's no point in whistling.
- No, there is.

- No, there's not.
- I don't know.

I mean our window cleaner
was known as like...

that's how you knew
he was there.

He always whistled.
And in the end,

he fell of his ladder,
broke his front teeth.

- Ricky: Oh.
- Karl: Retired.

( Both laughing )

- Well, because he couldn't whistle.
- That was it.

Well, you know
he whistled all the time.

Can't whistle, can't clean windows.
It was a bit tragic.

Could he take along a whistle?
Just pop that in his mouth?

- Karl: Yeah, I suppose he could have done.
- ( Flute tooting )

- I didn't think of that. - Ricky:
What about a flute or a recorder?

"Not 'London's burning' again.

Fuckin' clean the windows
and then fuck off."

He didn't really think
this through, did he?

- He retired at the age of 28.
- ( Ricky laughs ) Yeah.

- Stephen: And his whole family were
bankrupt with no teeth. - Ricky: Yeah.

And just a bucket
and a squeegee.

"Why aren't you working, dad?"
"Because I can't whistle."

"And the day
you give up whistling

is the day I give up
window cleaning."

- So you never whistle?
- No.

I can't really whistle
very well.

( Whistling softly ) No.

( Whistling )

Well, I don't whistle, but I
can whistle better than that.

( Whistling continues )

What? You did this for hours
on end while playing scrabble?

- Jesus.
- About two hours.

- Two hours?!
- Fucking hell.

- I'd put my word down... - Sorry,
can we just hear that again?

- Just hear... can we hear a
little bit... - ( Whistling )

So you were whistling after
you had your go as well?

- On yeah yeah.
- Fucking hell, Karl.

But hang on,
let's just hear a bit.

- ( Whistling ) - That is
Karl's self-expression.

That is his artistic
self-expression right there.

Inane.
No tune, no nothing.

( Whistling )

There's mental patients who
have smeared canvases with shit

who have expressed more
than you have in that.

Yeah, but it's not
about other people.

I'm not there
to please other people.

Ricky: You're there
to annoy them.

What was the best word
you came up with in scrabble?

Don't knock me at scrabble
because I do all right.

What's weird is
when I play scrabble,

my brain can come up with words

- that I don't normally say.
- Oh, for fuck's sake.

Okay, this isn't...
now I'm intrigued here.

Your brain can come up with words
you wouldn't normally say?

Just words that I'd never
drop into a sentence.

- Stephen: "Tree," "cat."
- Ricky: Go on.

- "Squirm."
- ( Ricky cackling )

That's using a q.
It's worth 10, that.

( Laughing continues )

It's not bad, is it?
Now I'd never say that.

I've never heard you... I don't think
I've ever heard you say "squirm," no.

- ( Stephen laughs ) - I
think that you're right, Karl.

I've never heard you
say "squirm."

- Weird, isn't it?
- Yeah, it is weird.

And yet your brain
popped that one out.

Yeah. When it wasn't
my go, I'd just...

- ( Whistling ) - ( Laughing ) Oh God!
Christ.

Anyway, so that's sort of
doing art for yourself

as opposed for other people.

I don't think that you can count
what you just did then as art.

Hobby maybe...
craft, pastime.

I don't think you can
count that as art.

I'm not being funny.
I'm being a bit snobby here,

but I think there's a difference
between Beethoven and...

( Whistling )

"Squirm." ( Whistling )
( Stephen laughs )

"There's a q in that."

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