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(phone ringing)
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- [Uncle Rob] Hello?
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- Hey Uncle Rob, listen,
I'm gonna be in Ontario
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the first few weeks in November
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and I'm starting
another documentary.
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I'm actually gonna see if
I can track down my mom.
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- [Uncle Rob] Oh,
good luck on that one.
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- [Rob] This is my
mom, Terri Lee Parker,
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and this is the last
image we have of her,
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because on the night
of October 27th, 1990,
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she vanished.
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I was only eight years old,
and no one has seen her since.
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(somber piano music)
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- A lot of kids who don't
know their biological parents
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really feel they
need to find out
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where they came from,
and I understand that.
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Those of us who have
that in our past
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take it for granted, I think,
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and so I think it's normal
for kids to want that
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and young adults,
adults to want that
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and sort of find their roots
and figure out who they are.
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But, it may not
be what they want.
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- Well I'm sure it's hard not
knowing what happened to her.
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He may finally be able
to get some closure.
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It's hard to make the decision
right now to go after her,
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but you don't know what
the outcome's gonna be.
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I don't know how he's gonna
react to it, good or bad.
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- I don't know
what's gonna happen.
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I mean, it very well be
we don't find anything.
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We could possibly find
her, and we could find out
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that she's no more,
she could be dead.
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And you know what?
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All of those
possibilities are okay.
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I'm a firm believer it
is, all of it the journey,
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not the destination.
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But it'd be great to
have some answers.
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- I met him in grade one,
and it was interesting
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circumstances that
brought him to London.
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I can't recall where he
came from in Ontario,
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but he kinda just
arrived in grade one.
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We quickly became
friends as he did with
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some of our other pals that
we're still close with today.
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- When he was
younger, especially,
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you could see anger issues.
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- Ah, Rob was very
strong-minded,
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potentially confrontational
with authority,
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teachers and principals.
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- Rob really hasn't
changed that much
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since I met him as a kid.
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- You didn't really
think about it,
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you didn't really notice
it 'cause his grandparents
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were great, and to me
they were his parents,
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but at the same time, knowing
him, there was this void.
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- Everyone else had
a mother or father,
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and Rob had his grandparents.
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His parents were absent
his entire childhood.
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- I recall meeting
his mom once, I think.
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I recall being in his
kitchen and I met his mom,
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and then, nothing,
just vanished.
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- So I can understand going
on this quest for him.
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Why not, why wouldn't
you wanna know?
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How could you live the rest
of your life not knowing?
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- It's the strongest
connection left to him but,
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is there a connection?
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What is this gonna turn up?
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- Once he sets his
mind on something,
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he's gonna follow
through to the end.
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And, I think as a
result he's gonna find
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the answers that he's
looking for in this case.
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- This quest is gonna have
many phases or components,
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but the first phase
is the research phase.
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It's where I'm hoping to
gather as much information
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as possible, because right now,
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I don't even have a starting
point to look for my mom.
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Here's what's gonna happen
for the next 17 days.
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I'm gonna talk with my
grandparents, Norm and Carol,
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my uncle Rob, and
my best friend Jay.
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Then I'm gonna travel to
Windsor to see my aunt Kelly
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and my grandma, Mary.
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After that, I'm gonna
rendezvous with my brother Chris
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who's flying in from
Thompson, Manitoba
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to join our trek, and
with him on board,
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we'll get to talk
to his dad, Rick,
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who was married to our mom.
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We'll also get to talk
to Chris's grandpa, Ross.
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On the film side is
Ryan Daniszewski,
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who's filming most of
this, and Jordan Morris
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is co-directing and producing
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as well as acting
as my confidant
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and, from time to time,
the voice of reason.
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(upbeat techno music)
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So, I'm in London,
Ontario, back home again.
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It's decidedly fall outside,
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and gearin' up for
all these interviews.
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I can tell people are a little
excited and a little anxious.
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My grandma's already tryin'
to start talkin' to me
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about stuff, which
is kind of insane.
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It's never been officially,
you know, a taboo subject
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but now that I've expressed
interest in talking about it,
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the gates are open.
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- Okay, the last time
I saw my daughter
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was at her father's
50th birthday,
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which would be 24 years ago.
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- Oh, she was fun,
she really was.
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She was, (laughing)
off-the-wall crazy too, though.
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- She always made me
nervous. (laughing)
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'Cause she was always one
to try and push the limits
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as far as she could push them.
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- She started skating when
she was four years old.
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- She loved skating.
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She would get up in the morning,
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and you never had
to wake her twice.
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She would get up,
off to the rink,
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work like a dog, come
home, go to school,
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she was a good student.
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Never a moment's
problem in that respect.
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She had a lotta good friends,
never had any problems.
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- She was smart.
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Everything came easy to her.
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- I used to get phone calls,
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in the evening, afternoon
sometime, mostly in the evening.
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I would get phone calls from
people who obviously knew her,
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and there was a lot
of derogatory comments
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made over the telephone,
which I'd never reveal.
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My wife doesn't even know that.
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- Her biggest fault was boys.
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- You know, growing up
as a teenager and that,
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I never seen her with
any drugs or anything.
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I know she smoked.
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- Alcohol started disappearing.
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I know that for a fact.
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- She turned to other things
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or other people
outside of the family
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who made her feel
very different.
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- She had left and
disappeared, I know that,
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and then she kinda surfaced.
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She was going by
the name of Lee.
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- So we didn't know that either.
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It was almost like
she had taken on
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this other identity.
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- That was not her name.
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I mean, well, it was her
name, it was her middle name,
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but it was not the name
that we knew her by.
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- Once she married Rob's dad,
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I didn't see her
very much after that.
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- I don't even remember
how she met David.
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I don't even
remember that piece.
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- I had more respect for David
than I had for my daughter.
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I thought, you know,
I looked at him
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and I didn't say anything,
and I was thinking to myself,
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"How the hell did you get
yourself in this position?"
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- I always wish I knew
what happened to her
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'cause she was important to me.
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- Being a mother,
the worst thing
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always goes through
your mind first.
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- She's probably dead,
or she could be dead.
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We don't know.
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- If she only knew,
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how many people love
her unconditionally.
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- I'm probably cold-hearted
about the whole thing,
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but if I never see her
again, I could care less.
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- [Rob] While we were
only hoping to get an idea
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on my mom's character and past
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during the opening
round of interviews,
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we unexpectedly got
a lead from my uncle
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that she was seen in
Collingwood, Ontario
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about 10 years ago.
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Starting the hunt this early
was never part of our plan,
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but this was too good to ignore.
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We had to follow it
all the way to the end.
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- Probably around 10 years ago,
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but a buddy of mine who is a
police officer with the OPP
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so I know he's pretty good
with face recognition,
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he was, I don't know if
it was a ski trip or what
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but he was up in
the Collingwood area
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and he was pretty
positive at the time
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that he had seen my sister.
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He didn't confront
her or antyhing
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'cause it was, I don't
know if he seen her
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while he was driving or in
a store or a restaurant,
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he never really
got to that detail.
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He just told me, it
was a matter of factly,
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you know, "I think I seen your
sister up in Collingwood."
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My friend's been with the
police force a long time,
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and when he was with a
couple of the smaller cities
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(laughs) he was
actually able to go on
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and try and track
her down for me.
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He's tried probably five,
six times in the past
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over the years, and
never had any luck
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trying to locate her.
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Well, he grew up with me.
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We had been friends since
we were about 10 years old,
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so he was quite familiar
with my sister growing up.
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He knew that she had
her first marriage
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last name McCallum, second
marriage last name Byford.
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Sometimes she liked to go
by her middle name, Lee,
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so it could be any
combination of Lee Byford,
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Lee McCallum, Terri
Byford, Terri McCallum.
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- This is Rob McCallum,
I'm Rob Parker's nephew.
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You may or may not have
heard what I'm trying to do,
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I'm trying to track
down my mother,
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Rob Parker's sister, and I
heard that you may or may not
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have had somewhat
of an encounter,
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and just off the record
I would love to hear it
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kinda firsthand
to see what it is.
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Obviously, nothing on you
about how legitimate it is,
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but I'm just trying to get
every scrap of evidence,
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because as you know probably
it's a bit of a mystery
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and any information
could be super helpful
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whether it's now
or down the road.
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So hopefully you can
help me out a little bit.
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Just give us a call back.
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I'm at my uncle's
house right now.
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We'll be here most of the night,
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and if you can't get
back to us tonight
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maybe I'll try ya again
later on through the week.
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Thanks so much, I
appreciate it, bye.
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(suspenseful techno music)
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I didn't meet my dad
till I was 10 years old,
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and we didn't really have
an amazing relationship.
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We tried to see eye to eye,
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but it could just
never really work
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the way that that
relationship should work.
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Now that I'm trying
to find my mom,
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I'm wondering if
we'll ever be able
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to have a good relationship,
or if the events
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of the past are really
too hard to overcome.
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- David walked in
the office all smiles
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and he says, "You'll never
guess what happened."
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Then he told me that Rob Parker
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was gonna make arrangements
for him to meet his son.
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- And I just called
him and basically said,
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"Look, your son's asking
a lot of questions.
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"You haven't been in the
picture and you haven't called,
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"so I'm gonna do
one of two things.
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"One, if you don't want to
have any contact with your son,
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"I won't tell him
I ever found you,
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"but if you do want
contact with him,
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"now's the time to step up
and give him a call or visit."
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I think it was only a matter
of about two weeks later
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that he got to
see his dad again.
244
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- I remember driving
up to London,
245
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and David was feeling
very nervous about it.
246
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He wasn't sure how Robby
was going to react to him.
247
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I think he really worried about
248
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if Robby was going to ever
forgive him for what he did.
249
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- There was a lotta
disappointing trips
250
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where Rob would go and
visit his dad for a weekend
251
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or a week, and he'd
be excited for it.
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By the time he got back,
he would be so over it
253
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and hoping that he wouldn't
have to go see his dad
254
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for another year.
255
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- When it came to
Robby wanting his way
256
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and Dave wanting his way, yep,
257
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they would butt heads all right.
258
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- We moved down to Houston
right after we got married.
259
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Rob's dad helped us
build a house down there
260
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and it was in the same
neighborhood where they lived,
261
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so we all lived really close,
262
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like almost across the street.
263
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And then later on, Nelson
and his family moved down.
264
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Rob was never into hunting,
but Nelson and Dave
265
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went hunting quite often.
266
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One weekend, Nelson
and Dave went hunting.
267
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- It was late in the night.
268
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We were sittin' around the
campfire, havin' some beer,
269
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and I wanted to go
hunting in the morning
270
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'cause I like to hunt in
the morning, he didn't.
271
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He'd stay up, skip
the morning hunt.
272
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So I went to bed and
then, I don't remember
273
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how much longer after, but,
274
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there was another
gentleman with us
275
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and he come running in
the house and woke me up
276
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and told me there was an
accident and I need to get up.
277
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When I got up, I ran outside
278
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and our dad, he was on fire.
279
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- We got a call really
early on a Sunday morning
280
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and it was Donna.
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She was down at the
hospital in Houston,
282
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and she said that David
had been in an accident
283
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and that he had burns
all over his body.
284
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I just remember Rob saying,
"Why does it have to be burns?"
285
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I think he was freaked out.
286
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I think he was afraid
to see him after that.
287
00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:51,398
- Soon after that
he went into a coma,
288
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and then never
talked to him again.
289
00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:58,005
When he left the camp,
I never seen him again.
290
00:14:01,741 --> 00:14:05,345
- My heart really went
out to Robby because,
291
00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:08,081
David was all he
really had then.
292
00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:14,287
And not to have a mother,
and only a father,
293
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and then to lose your father,
294
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it was really hard.
295
00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:25,966
Then also to make the decision
to pull the plug on his dad.
296
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(somber piano music)
297
00:14:38,011 --> 00:14:39,179
- [Rob] Are we goin' for sure?
298
00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:42,149
We made that plan official?
299
00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:45,118
- Yeah, it's only a matter
of time, but we're goin'.
300
00:14:45,118 --> 00:14:46,653
I'm in the process right now
301
00:14:46,653 --> 00:14:48,922
of writing down all the major
restaurants that we could find
302
00:14:48,922 --> 00:14:50,623
at least off the
main strip anyway,
303
00:14:50,623 --> 00:14:54,361
which will give us most of
the eateries in that region.
304
00:14:54,361 --> 00:14:56,496
I think what we're gonna
do once we get up there
305
00:14:56,496 --> 00:14:58,598
is to attack spots like that
306
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which all represent
trying to interrupt
307
00:15:01,634 --> 00:15:04,004
someone's daily routine.
308
00:15:04,004 --> 00:15:06,273
- [Rob] How many are we at?
309
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- 59.
310
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And a bunch of these are Wendys,
there's several Starbucks.
311
00:15:15,815 --> 00:15:17,784
- Does that include
hotels, or no?
312
00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:19,119
- [Jordan] No.
313
00:15:19,119 --> 00:15:22,322
- So that's just
restaurants, 59 restaurants.
314
00:15:22,322 --> 00:15:25,592
- With chains, with
Timmy's, Starbucks,
315
00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:28,061
that kind of stuff
in there as well.
316
00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:31,264
- And we had talked
about making a flyer.
317
00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,967
- Yeah, actually
leaving posters behind,
318
00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:36,103
have you seen this person?
319
00:15:36,103 --> 00:15:38,505
Missing mom, and details on her,
320
00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:41,441
the most recent photo
that you have of her,
321
00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:44,477
and traits, you know, like
she has been a server,
322
00:15:44,477 --> 00:15:47,580
she has been an
accomplished figure skater,
323
00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:50,917
anything else that
we can throw in there
324
00:15:50,917 --> 00:15:53,286
and see what kind
of a hit we can get.
325
00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:54,521
And we gotta hit it all,
326
00:15:54,521 --> 00:15:56,456
so my concern is that
it's a smaller town
327
00:15:56,456 --> 00:15:58,425
but there's still
lots of restaurants.
328
00:15:58,425 --> 00:16:00,027
- How big is Collingwood?
329
00:16:00,027 --> 00:16:01,628
Do you have a population?
330
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:02,662
- I don't have that yet.
331
00:16:02,662 --> 00:16:05,098
Let me find that out right now.
332
00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:07,567
- It should say, it
should say over here.
333
00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:08,568
Oh, up here.
334
00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:13,773
Up, population, just
under 20,000 as of 2011.
335
00:16:13,773 --> 00:16:17,244
The big question is, is
how much time do we have
336
00:16:17,244 --> 00:16:19,246
for this trip to Collingwood
337
00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:21,648
that we can manage and pull off?
338
00:16:21,648 --> 00:16:24,584
I mean, I haven't even run this
past my brother yet, right?
339
00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:27,354
He might say, "You guys
are just wasting time,
340
00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:28,655
"you guys are going
up there on a rumor
341
00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:31,291
"that's changed from
four to 10 years
342
00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:32,692
"and you just hope to get lucky
343
00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,227
"by putting posters up there."
344
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,595
- [Jordan] It would be
tough, it would be tough
345
00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,996
to do them all in one day.
346
00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,965
- So, from London how
far of a drive is it?
347
00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:40,467
- [Jordan] Three hours.
348
00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:44,071
- 246 kilometers, which
is about 180 miles?
349
00:16:45,272 --> 00:16:47,840
So we got the poster,
and it's walking in
350
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,743
and saying, "Hi, I'm looking
for a missing person,
351
00:16:50,743 --> 00:16:53,346
"I haven't seen my
mom in a long time
352
00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:55,415
"but it was rumored she was
here four to six, 10 years ago.
353
00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:56,749
"Have you seen her?"
354
00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:58,151
Whatever the answer is--
355
00:16:58,151 --> 00:16:59,619
- [Jordan] Do you have
any advice as well?
356
00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:01,288
- Do you have any advice,
can I leave this here
357
00:17:01,288 --> 00:17:03,190
with you, and can we post this?
358
00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:05,958
- [Jordan] Will you
allow us to post this?
359
00:17:05,958 --> 00:17:09,562
(suspenseful techno music)
360
00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:48,368
- So Jordan and I
put, missing person.
361
00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:49,802
Hey friends, need a favor.
362
00:17:49,802 --> 00:17:51,471
Anyone have connections
to people of influence
363
00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:52,639
or people that are connected
364
00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:54,006
to the Collingwood,
Ontario area?
365
00:17:54,006 --> 00:17:55,508
I'm looking for my
mom, she was last seen
366
00:17:55,508 --> 00:17:57,043
in this area four
to 10 years ago.
367
00:17:57,043 --> 00:18:00,747
Anything could be possible,
but need your help.
368
00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:01,981
Sound good?
369
00:18:01,981 --> 00:18:04,217
- [Jordan] Yeah,
that sounds great.
370
00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:05,752
(keys clacking)
371
00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:08,621
- This app is
supposed to allow you
372
00:18:08,621 --> 00:18:10,757
to see what somebody's look like
373
00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,659
when they're a bit older.
374
00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:16,296
It's the new version of
hiring a sketch artist.
375
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:19,299
I may go online and see
what I can get as well,
376
00:18:19,299 --> 00:18:22,635
'cause it's a little
comedic, I think, but.
377
00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:24,737
- [Jordan] Well, as
long as we're up front
378
00:18:24,737 --> 00:18:27,039
about the fact that there's
no science behind it.
379
00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:28,141
- [Rob] Yeah.
380
00:18:29,676 --> 00:18:31,411
- [Jordan] It's fine.
381
00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:33,613
- So.
382
00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:41,588
(phone ticking)
383
00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:49,329
Okay, so.
384
00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:54,201
That's there now on Twitter.
385
00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:00,907
That's creepy.
386
00:19:00,907 --> 00:19:01,741
Woah!
387
00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:07,013
- [Jordan] Isn't that freaky?
388
00:19:07,013 --> 00:19:08,481
- [Rob] Oh man, I can't.
389
00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:11,351
Regardless of, but
like, watch this.
390
00:19:11,351 --> 00:19:14,787
- [Woman] Oh, yeah,
I saw her move, geez.
391
00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:22,695
(Rob growling)
(woman gasping)
392
00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:25,198
- There is no Dana, only Zuul.
393
00:19:26,899 --> 00:19:28,535
It feels real all
of a sudden, man,
394
00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:30,770
now that people are lookin'
at this on Facebook.
395
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,940
- [Jordan] Yeah,
you're out there now.
396
00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:36,343
- Like, it's one
thing to go around
397
00:19:36,343 --> 00:19:38,845
and get family stories, right?
398
00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,849
- [Jordan] Yep.
399
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,984
- And, just to see these two
people share it on Facebook,
400
00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:47,320
it's like, wow, people care.
401
00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:55,995
Which I'm super comfortable
with, obviously.
402
00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:02,068
I mean, this is like
the ultimate fear now,
403
00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:04,437
'cause now people are
gonna ask on Facebook
404
00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:06,406
and Twitter and Instagram,
405
00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:08,675
and that's kind of what we want,
406
00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,010
but now it's, all those years
407
00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:12,979
defending this whole
thing as a kid,
408
00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:14,381
like saying, "Oh
no, my mom is gone,"
409
00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:16,449
and ending the subject.
410
00:20:16,449 --> 00:20:18,385
- [Jordan] Not no more.
411
00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:22,755
- Yeah. (laughing)
412
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:27,294
(deep exhaling)
413
00:20:27,294 --> 00:20:30,463
(upbeat techno music)
414
00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:45,845
One in the morning,
I get a message,
415
00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:49,248
and it was, I went to
high school with your mom
416
00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:50,517
and I know where she is.
417
00:20:50,517 --> 00:20:51,918
She goes by this name now.
418
00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:52,785
- What?
419
00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:53,620
- Yeah.
420
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,693
- Well, I could
tell by your text
421
00:21:00,693 --> 00:21:04,263
that you had a solid lead, but
that's way more than solid.
422
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:05,432
That's way more than a lead.
423
00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:06,933
We know where she is.
424
00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:09,135
Like, how close are you to
having an address, even?
425
00:21:09,135 --> 00:21:11,304
- Kitchener, LinkedIn profile.
426
00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:12,972
- Kitchener?
427
00:21:12,972 --> 00:21:14,307
- And workplace.
428
00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:18,845
- So obviously you
went online and looked?
429
00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:21,614
- Yeah, went online and
looked, Facebook profile.
430
00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:22,449
- Picture?
431
00:21:22,449 --> 00:21:23,383
- Yeah.
432
00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:25,251
- Jesus, man, that's amazing.
433
00:21:25,251 --> 00:21:27,019
- I don't, I don't 100% buy it.
434
00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:28,154
- You don't think
it's the same person?
435
00:21:28,154 --> 00:21:29,622
- No.
436
00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:31,458
Definite similarities,
437
00:21:32,692 --> 00:21:34,694
a few different facial things
438
00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:37,063
like a mole on the
face that wasn't on,
439
00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:38,798
that I never saw it with my mom.
440
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,232
- Well, that's a long time.
441
00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:41,501
- Stuff can happen.
- Absolutely.
442
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:44,737
- I mean, sunburn can
leave that kinda thing.
443
00:21:44,737 --> 00:21:45,972
- Sunburn, smoking.
444
00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:48,808
- And then this
morning, at 9:30am,
445
00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:52,144
I get another message
from another party
446
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,881
that eventually was
the one that prompted
447
00:21:54,881 --> 00:21:56,416
each of these two
parties last night.
448
00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:58,351
So there's like this
person at the top
449
00:21:58,351 --> 00:21:59,886
who shared this with everyone,
450
00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:01,988
and the two people contacted me
451
00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:03,656
based on that initial person.
452
00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:06,158
So this initial person
said, "Someone messaged me,
453
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:09,596
"she's living in a
hotel in East London."
454
00:22:10,897 --> 00:22:12,131
- [Jordan] What?
455
00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:15,134
- I had a friend say
that he knew her,
456
00:22:16,903 --> 00:22:20,006
this guy named Bud,
and she's living
457
00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:22,174
in a hotel in East London.
458
00:22:25,478 --> 00:22:28,681
Flash forward to
10:15, I get a message,
459
00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:30,683
"Hi, someone says
you're looking for me
460
00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,853
"but I don't know
if I know you."
461
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:37,724
And, little bit stronger
facial feature resemblance
462
00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:41,360
than before, but again,
things not lining up.
463
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,830
Like, this person's only 46.
464
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:47,400
She lived in Collingwood
briefly in the mid 80s, though,
465
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,135
was born from London.
466
00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:52,171
- So probably not her.
467
00:22:52,171 --> 00:22:53,005
- Probably not.
468
00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:54,273
- I mean, the age alone.
469
00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:55,675
- Well, and yeah, the age alone,
470
00:22:55,675 --> 00:22:56,976
but like everything else.
471
00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:58,277
This person looks
like this person,
472
00:22:58,277 --> 00:23:00,480
this person looks
like this person.
473
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,280
- Damn.
474
00:23:02,782 --> 00:23:04,617
(blowing through lips)
475
00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:07,186
- So imagine that
going through my head.
476
00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:08,621
I mean, I didn't go
to sleep til 4:00am
477
00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:09,822
because it's like, holy crap.
478
00:23:09,822 --> 00:23:10,857
- Well especially the one, like,
479
00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:12,358
hi, do I know you?
480
00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:14,861
- Yeah, and that was this
morning as I was driving here.
481
00:23:14,861 --> 00:23:17,630
I'm like, do I look at
it, do I not look at it?
482
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:20,633
'Cause if we're not
Facebook friends,
483
00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:22,935
so it's not like I can see
her profile or anything
484
00:23:22,935 --> 00:23:24,837
other than the basic page.
485
00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:26,673
- Well I wanna see
all of these people.
486
00:23:26,673 --> 00:23:27,907
- Sure.
487
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:28,975
Jordan took a look
at all the messages
488
00:23:28,975 --> 00:23:30,477
and social media hits and agreed
489
00:23:30,477 --> 00:23:32,745
that no one had a strong
enough case to be my mom,
490
00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,380
but regardless of all that buzz,
491
00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:36,883
I had something else I
had to get off my chest.
492
00:23:36,883 --> 00:23:40,186
I think I'm gonna
give it a year.
493
00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:41,454
I think that's the timeline.
494
00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:42,755
- And then, if nothing comes--
495
00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:44,591
- Walk away.
- Put it to bed.
496
00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:48,495
- So from my, essentially,
birthday to birthday.
497
00:23:48,495 --> 00:23:49,328
- Mm hmm.
498
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:51,964
- How do you feel about that?
499
00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:56,102
- No, you can't have it draggin'
around behind ya forever,
500
00:23:56,102 --> 00:23:58,437
so that seems healthy, sure.
501
00:24:00,473 --> 00:24:01,273
One year.
502
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:05,377
I think there's gonna be a
lot of activity in a year,
503
00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:06,846
especially if you keep pushin'.
504
00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:08,981
- Well that's just it, right?
505
00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:10,850
If you can't do it in a year.
506
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:12,418
- [Jordan] And it's only
gonna take a few months
507
00:24:12,418 --> 00:24:15,755
to really start spoolin'
up and getting social,
508
00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:18,958
to, like I say, to make
it more of a viral thing.
509
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,159
- Yeah.
510
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:23,129
- And if more pictures
from Collingwood--
511
00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:24,831
- [Rob] Emerge or anywhere.
512
00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:27,767
- Like, even that
later, that could prove
513
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,069
to be really interesting.
514
00:24:30,069 --> 00:24:33,640
(suspenseful techno music)
515
00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:44,851
- [Rob] Chris flew into
town and we were eager
516
00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:46,352
to add him to the mix.
517
00:24:46,352 --> 00:24:48,220
He's an RCMP officer, a Mountie,
518
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,557
and he's got a level head
for these kinda situations.
519
00:24:50,557 --> 00:24:52,592
Truth be told, Chris
is my half brother.
520
00:24:52,592 --> 00:24:54,761
We have the same mom,
but different dads.
521
00:24:54,761 --> 00:24:56,028
When that marriage failed,
522
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:57,630
Chris went to his dad's parents
523
00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:59,465
and I went to our mom's parents,
524
00:24:59,465 --> 00:25:02,334
so we were each raised
by our grandparents.
525
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,370
- Everyone has the same
question, even now.
526
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:05,938
Where's mom and dad?
527
00:25:05,938 --> 00:25:08,140
The only answer I
can give 'em is,
528
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:11,077
dad lives in Penetang
and we have no idea
529
00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:14,513
where my mother is, and
she's been missing for,
530
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,248
since I was three years old.
531
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:19,919
Mom went missing, and
grandma and grandpa Byford
532
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,889
and grandma and grandpa
Parker were right there,
533
00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:27,359
assumed control right
away, no questions asked.
534
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,429
It's unfathomable to think
about because it's a mother,
535
00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:33,199
like, what mother would do that?
536
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:36,335
- I think it's particularly
difficult in a family
537
00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:40,306
where no one really knows,
when no one really knows,
538
00:25:40,306 --> 00:25:44,110
because then everybody
makes up their own story.
539
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:47,513
As a kid, you don't
know what to believe,
540
00:25:47,513 --> 00:25:52,318
and so you glom onto something
that's somewhat reasonable
541
00:25:52,318 --> 00:25:56,288
or the best story that you
think you can believe in,
542
00:25:56,288 --> 00:26:00,059
and choose that one until
maybe you're a little older
543
00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:01,728
and hear something
else, and then you might
544
00:26:01,728 --> 00:26:02,929
choose another one.
545
00:26:02,929 --> 00:26:05,197
So it's a little crazy
making, you know?
546
00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:07,033
What's the real story?
547
00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:10,436
- So we're off to the OPP.
548
00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:16,375
There was one more lead from
social media last night.
549
00:26:16,375 --> 00:26:18,044
Someone reached out
from Collingwood
550
00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:21,380
who said they used to work
with our mom at Kelsey's,
551
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:24,416
and now he's a police
officer up there.
552
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:27,353
And if we can give
him some information,
553
00:26:27,353 --> 00:26:30,122
he will do everything
in his power to help us.
554
00:26:30,122 --> 00:26:32,959
He said, "Boy, she was a
lot of fun to work with."
555
00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:35,161
So how do you feel
about that, Chris?
556
00:26:35,161 --> 00:26:37,063
- [Chris] Well, it's good
to have someone on our side.
557
00:26:37,063 --> 00:26:38,264
- So here's--
558
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,833
- Knows what we're
talking about.
559
00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,101
- So here's my concern, right,
560
00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:43,836
we're gonna go talk
to the OPP right now
561
00:26:43,836 --> 00:26:45,171
and this is what
I mentioned to you
562
00:26:45,171 --> 00:26:47,139
just before we got in the car.
563
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:49,441
Maybe we have to pay
two stops to the OPP.
564
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,477
One to see if there's
anything on record
565
00:26:51,477 --> 00:26:53,545
and then see what information
we can come away with,
566
00:26:53,545 --> 00:26:54,814
talk to other people
in the family,
567
00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,448
and then open up a missing case,
568
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:58,350
or a missing persons
report thing.
569
00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:00,419
But I don't wanna
compromise what the OPP
570
00:27:00,419 --> 00:27:02,121
might be trying to do if
this guy in Collingwood
571
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,290
starts trying to
do stuff for us.
572
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,759
- Well, when the
file is created,
573
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:10,629
he can easily, like, 'cause
they're gonna wanna talk
574
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,465
to people in Collingwood,
I'm assuming,
575
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,401
'cause she lived there.
576
00:27:15,401 --> 00:27:19,005
And if people know her,
they're gonna wanna talk
577
00:27:19,005 --> 00:27:21,173
to those people, and he would
be an invaluable resource
578
00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:23,442
in that capacity, in my opinion,
579
00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:24,844
because he worked with her.
580
00:27:24,844 --> 00:27:26,012
- [Jordan] Yeah,
can't he just openly
581
00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:27,079
contribute to the case?
582
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:27,914
- Yes, he can.
583
00:27:27,914 --> 00:27:29,148
- Okay, so--
584
00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:31,617
- But they would
need to know him,
585
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:34,386
'cause as of right now they
won't know who he is, right?
586
00:27:34,386 --> 00:27:35,855
- Right.
587
00:27:35,855 --> 00:27:37,724
- So they won't know he's
a resource to pull on.
588
00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:40,893
(upbeat techno music)
589
00:28:11,758 --> 00:28:13,259
- Yeah.
590
00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:15,294
- [Rob] For a whole bunch of
reasons, mainly privacy laws,
591
00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:17,897
the officer that talked to us
couldn't give us much info,
592
00:28:17,897 --> 00:28:20,666
but he did give us one
little bread crumb.
593
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:22,234
Someone by the
name of Lee Byford
594
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:25,838
was mentioned as a
reportee on a file in 1994,
595
00:28:25,838 --> 00:28:28,174
but he couldn't tell us
where that file was generated
596
00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:30,509
or the nature of the report.
597
00:28:47,193 --> 00:28:48,660
So Chris, give us
a brief explanation
598
00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:52,498
of what we're trying to
do, without specifics.
599
00:28:53,665 --> 00:28:56,102
- I am gonna text
a friend of mine
600
00:28:56,102 --> 00:29:00,239
to see what she can find out
about what we just learned.
601
00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,843
Essentially, it's just
a shot in the dark
602
00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,277
that we might be able to pull up
603
00:29:05,277 --> 00:29:07,546
whatever was being looked at.
604
00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:09,081
- [Rob] Okay.
605
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:12,551
- The idea that the
last reported sighting
606
00:29:12,551 --> 00:29:15,855
might have just gotten
five years fresher
607
00:29:15,855 --> 00:29:18,124
and possibly be in a
totally different direction
608
00:29:18,124 --> 00:29:20,559
than what we were
about to pursue
609
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:24,163
freaks me out, 'cause we're
throwing everything we have,
610
00:29:24,163 --> 00:29:28,034
limited resources wise, you
know, time, money, all that,
611
00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:30,036
we're trying to cover the
best ground that we can
612
00:29:30,036 --> 00:29:31,437
and if we're just throwin' a net
613
00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:33,672
over the wrong part of Ontario,
614
00:29:33,672 --> 00:29:35,674
we're gonna get nowhere.
615
00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:38,110
So, it's really important
that we figure out
616
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:41,513
as much as we can based
on the information.
617
00:29:41,513 --> 00:29:44,383
There's zero
guarantees of anything.
618
00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:46,218
- [Rob] One of the hardest
parts about this for Chris
619
00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:48,154
is that he has no
memories of our childhood
620
00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:49,956
or our mother, nothing,
621
00:29:49,956 --> 00:29:51,523
so I wanted to
help him with that
622
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:54,093
and show him some home movies
that I recently discovered.
623
00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:56,562
- [Uncle Rob] Go catch
up to Robby, Chris.
624
00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:58,130
Where ya goin', Chris?
625
00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:00,432
- We're following this path.
626
00:30:00,432 --> 00:30:03,302
(child shouting indistinctly)
627
00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:05,637
- [Uncle Rob] Those
are wild onions, Rob.
628
00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:08,574
Uncle Robby had to eat
them for a survival course.
629
00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:10,142
- You can eat that.
630
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,414
- [Uncle Rob] Tastes
like an onion.
631
00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:17,349
Mm, how nice.
632
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,451
(laughing)
633
00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:20,519
- Wanna bite?
634
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:21,587
- [Chris] No.
635
00:30:22,889 --> 00:30:24,423
- Eat this bite, it's onion!
636
00:30:24,423 --> 00:30:25,291
Want an onion?
637
00:30:25,291 --> 00:30:26,859
(Chris wailing)
638
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:29,028
- [Uncle Rob] Take
a bite of it, Chris.
639
00:30:29,028 --> 00:30:30,362
Robby.
640
00:30:30,362 --> 00:30:31,763
Robby.
641
00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:32,698
- Yeah?
642
00:30:32,698 --> 00:30:33,799
- [Uncle Rob] Don't force him.
643
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:34,967
- Why?
644
00:30:34,967 --> 00:30:35,534
- [Uncle Rob] Wanna
try it, Chris?
645
00:30:35,534 --> 00:30:36,368
- No.
646
00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:37,904
- [Uncle Rob] I got one.
647
00:30:37,904 --> 00:30:40,006
How ya like that, Chris?
648
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:42,608
- [Rob] He's biting,
taking a bite of it!
649
00:30:42,608 --> 00:30:44,276
- [Uncle Rob] Yep.
650
00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:46,812
What's it taste like?
651
00:30:46,812 --> 00:30:50,716
- Looks like we were
normal kids at that point.
652
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:55,754
It's neat to watch, especially
when you know who's there
653
00:30:55,754 --> 00:30:58,424
but you don't have
memory of that.
654
00:30:58,424 --> 00:30:59,691
It's very cool.
655
00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:00,960
- [Rob] There isn't
much video of our past
656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,461
or even other family events.
657
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,264
One thing I did find was the
last appearance of our mom
658
00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,166
in October of 1990.
659
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:10,469
No real set for this one either.
660
00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:13,139
It's amazing what you find.
661
00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:14,673
Over the hill.
662
00:31:14,673 --> 00:31:15,741
- I see that.
663
00:31:22,748 --> 00:31:24,850
- [Rob] See who that was?
664
00:31:25,952 --> 00:31:27,719
- Very good.
665
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:31,123
That was the last time
anyone ever saw her,
666
00:31:31,123 --> 00:31:32,992
that we can think of.
667
00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:33,892
It's weird.
668
00:31:35,327 --> 00:31:38,697
I don't know, I have
no memory of her.
669
00:31:38,697 --> 00:31:41,533
It's something that I
didn't even think existed.
670
00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:43,169
- It's just crazy to
wrap your head around
671
00:31:43,169 --> 00:31:45,671
everything we've heard,
and then to see that.
672
00:31:45,671 --> 00:31:47,739
- Again, we've only
seen still photos,
673
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,776
or at least I've only
ever seen a still photo,
674
00:31:50,776 --> 00:31:54,613
which is always,
like, wedding photos
675
00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:58,250
where it's obviously a very
happy moment but it's static,
676
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,786
there's no movement,
no life to it.
677
00:32:00,786 --> 00:32:04,523
You're right, it's very much,
it's a live person smiling
678
00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:08,194
and looking like they're
having a good time.
679
00:32:09,628 --> 00:32:12,331
So yeah, it's a different way
of looking at it, for sure.
680
00:32:12,331 --> 00:32:14,333
- I mean, we've talked
about the last few days
681
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:17,903
this idea that maybe it
was, don't come back,
682
00:32:17,903 --> 00:32:20,539
you know, directly
or indirectly implied
683
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,374
that if she came back it
would be bad for everybody
684
00:32:22,374 --> 00:32:24,710
so maybe that's why she left.
685
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,845
But then, if this
is the last moment,
686
00:32:26,845 --> 00:32:29,781
did that moment
happen that night?
687
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,450
- The plot thickens.
688
00:32:32,618 --> 00:32:35,321
- [Rob] All right,
what's goin' on?
689
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:38,457
- I just received an
email from a friend
690
00:32:38,457 --> 00:32:40,959
who says that she was able to,
691
00:32:43,929 --> 00:32:48,034
look up a Lee Byford with
the same date of birth
692
00:32:48,034 --> 00:32:51,037
and it's a Toronto
Police Department.
693
00:32:51,037 --> 00:32:52,004
- [Rob] Jesus.
694
00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:54,273
What do you think that means?
695
00:32:54,273 --> 00:32:56,875
- She's now in a city of,
what, two million people?
696
00:32:56,875 --> 00:33:00,512
In 1994. (laughing)
697
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:04,350
All right, a friend of
mine there did some digging
698
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:06,752
on our little bit of a
lead there yesterday.
699
00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:08,254
- Yep.
700
00:33:08,254 --> 00:33:12,258
- And, she discovered that
it was a general occurrence
701
00:33:12,258 --> 00:33:14,326
in Toronto for Lee Byford
702
00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:19,431
in 1994, and I have a
file number as well.
703
00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:22,000
- So no address or anything?
704
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,703
- No address, not
on that system.
705
00:33:24,703 --> 00:33:27,406
Toronto would
probably have that.
706
00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:29,141
- So if we went to the
Toronto service and dug,
707
00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,543
we might find a fuller,
more complete file.
708
00:33:31,543 --> 00:33:32,544
- [Chris] Yes.
709
00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:34,980
'Cause we have a
file number now.
710
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:37,116
- That sounds promising, yeah?
711
00:33:37,116 --> 00:33:39,251
- [Rob] Yeah, Chris
said that we need to do
712
00:33:39,251 --> 00:33:40,752
an ATIP in Toronto.
713
00:33:40,752 --> 00:33:42,020
- Yeah.
714
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,289
- And now that you
know the service,
715
00:33:43,289 --> 00:33:45,124
you can throw 'em
all over Ontario.
716
00:33:45,124 --> 00:33:46,758
- Yeah, about right.
717
00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:50,829
- And we just happen to be
driving through Toronto.
718
00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:54,366
- We can stop at a police
station in Toronto.
719
00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:57,536
(turn signal ticking)
720
00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:02,441
- [Rob] Guess we can just
park anywhere, right?
721
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:08,747
But?
722
00:34:36,142 --> 00:34:38,910
- [Rob] Or her
names or anything.
723
00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:53,959
- Yeah, like that's
really what it is.
724
00:34:55,127 --> 00:34:57,229
- [Rob] What are
you thinkin', buddy?
725
00:34:57,229 --> 00:34:58,630
- I'm not thinkin'
really anything,
726
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:59,465
I'm just,
727
00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:03,202
I guess I am thinking.
728
00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:05,103
What can we do without,
729
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:10,309
getting anyone in trouble?
730
00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:11,777
I don't wanna, that's
not my goal here.
731
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:15,947
I wanna be able to just
get this information easily
732
00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:19,084
and that's all, that's it.
733
00:35:20,486 --> 00:35:24,089
- It's just really
frustrating for me.
734
00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:27,826
These people are doing
their jobs, and I get it,
735
00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:29,361
that there's laws
in place to protect
736
00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:30,929
people's private information.
737
00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:34,500
I wouldn't want my phone number,
address given out either,
738
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,001
but at the same
time, I feel like
739
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:38,370
they're lookin' behind the
curtain and see that information
740
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:41,440
on a (bleep) computer screen,
741
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,610
and we're that close and
they won't say anything.
742
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:48,414
It's so frustrating that it's
a digital file on a server,
743
00:35:48,414 --> 00:35:50,916
and it's right there.
744
00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:51,750
- Yeah.
745
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:53,319
- It's aggravating.
746
00:35:58,089 --> 00:36:00,626
(somber music)
747
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,402
Even with our stop in
Toronto being a bust,
748
00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:13,239
we still had an
important interview
ahead with Rick Byford,
749
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,007
Chris's dad, in
Penetanguishene, Ontario.
750
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:18,377
This interview could lead
to a lot of key information
751
00:36:18,377 --> 00:36:22,548
as he may have known our mom
best out of anyone so far.
752
00:36:23,982 --> 00:36:24,983
- My dad is,
753
00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:32,023
he's an interesting guy.
754
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:35,594
I've often described
him, and I don't wanna
755
00:36:35,594 --> 00:36:37,095
make it sound bad,
756
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:39,898
as a big kid.
757
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,603
It's disappointing the
fact that he's been there
758
00:36:44,603 --> 00:36:47,873
my whole life, but
only at arm's reach.
759
00:36:51,743 --> 00:36:54,079
Can I say I'm particularly
proud of that?
760
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,748
No, I think he
could've done more,
761
00:36:56,748 --> 00:36:58,584
but am I gonna fault him on it?
762
00:36:58,584 --> 00:36:59,818
No, I don't think
he was prepared
763
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:01,753
to be a father to begin with.
764
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:05,657
I believe my dad kept
me at arm's reach
765
00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:08,894
for the very reason
that I reminded him
766
00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:10,862
of this person
who abandoned him,
767
00:37:10,862 --> 00:37:13,699
and I think that's really
what it is, it's abandonment.
768
00:37:13,699 --> 00:37:17,869
He was left high and dry, and
I'm what reminds him of that.
769
00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:24,175
- First time I met
Lee, she was a waitress
770
00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:27,178
at the Desert Inn
in Guelph, Ontario
771
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:30,682
and I was a cook there.
772
00:37:30,682 --> 00:37:33,051
That was basically how we met
773
00:37:33,051 --> 00:37:35,387
and had a little
whirlwind romance there,
774
00:37:35,387 --> 00:37:38,457
and got married
fairly soon after.
775
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,959
When you're working in
the hospitality industry,
776
00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:43,795
you're mostly
working all the time.
777
00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:46,532
You know, after work then
you go out for drinks
778
00:37:46,532 --> 00:37:49,335
and party and do
it all over again.
779
00:37:49,335 --> 00:37:52,638
There's not really a
lot of dating going on.
780
00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,574
She was bubbly, she
was always happy,
781
00:37:55,574 --> 00:37:57,543
she was a good worker.
782
00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,478
I mean, she was pretty.
783
00:38:00,546 --> 00:38:02,414
The marriage proposal
was basically
784
00:38:02,414 --> 00:38:04,616
she told me she wanted a ring,
785
00:38:04,616 --> 00:38:07,786
and I got it. (laughing)
786
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:10,656
Went to Collingwood
to the Cranberry Inn
787
00:38:10,656 --> 00:38:12,123
and she was behind me there,
788
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:15,461
and then it was, after
a couple of years
789
00:38:17,262 --> 00:38:19,798
I started lookin'
for a job again.
790
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,735
Wounded up in Parry Sound
at the Rocky Crest Resort.
791
00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:25,437
She woulda known she
was pregnant, I guess,
792
00:38:25,437 --> 00:38:28,740
probably two months
after we were married.
793
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:31,843
Must've been, it had
to be that close.
794
00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:34,380
Went off the pill
and didn't tell me
795
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:36,948
and bingo, she was
pregnant, right?
796
00:38:36,948 --> 00:38:40,586
Like, you know, she wasn't
comin' home at night
797
00:38:40,586 --> 00:38:41,820
and stuff like that.
798
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,154
"Oh, I fell asleep
at my friend's,"
799
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:44,690
and blah, blah, blah.
800
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:48,494
That's when we weren't
working at the same resort.
801
00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:51,229
She had taken a job
at another resort,
802
00:38:51,229 --> 00:38:53,499
and then she did
it again one night,
803
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:56,402
went somewhere after
work and came home
804
00:38:56,402 --> 00:38:59,505
in the wee, wee, wee
hours of the morning,
805
00:38:59,505 --> 00:39:03,108
and it was like, "This
is your last chance now
806
00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:05,711
"that you've just used it.
807
00:39:05,711 --> 00:39:07,679
"It better not happen again."
808
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:09,247
And then two days later,
it happened again,
809
00:39:09,247 --> 00:39:12,551
two or three days later,
and that was that.
810
00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:15,020
We weren't really together
for all that long, really.
811
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:17,556
It was like three and
a half years, maybe,
812
00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:20,826
that we were together,
maybe not even that long.
813
00:39:20,826 --> 00:39:23,695
I don't really know
why nobody ever
814
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,531
tried to look for her.
815
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,368
I don't know.
816
00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:34,706
- And so I don't know
if the boys at all
817
00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:37,643
have really talked about
this openly and honestly,
818
00:39:37,643 --> 00:39:40,946
about their differences and
the different perspectives
819
00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:42,948
they have of their mother.
820
00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:45,551
But if I was a
therapist seeing them,
821
00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:47,385
I might wanna start there.
822
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,155
They each have their
own individual issues
823
00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:53,692
connected to her, but
there's a common bond
824
00:39:53,692 --> 00:39:57,062
that they also have
connected to the trauma
825
00:39:57,062 --> 00:39:58,897
of their mother not
being in their life,
826
00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:01,066
and it is a trauma.
827
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:03,635
(somber music)
828
00:40:11,577 --> 00:40:13,411
- Can you forgive her?
829
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:18,584
- I don't think I have
anything to forgive.
830
00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:24,790
'Cause, again, this is
all your memories of her
831
00:40:26,191 --> 00:40:30,328
and your battle with those
memories and feelings.
832
00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:32,163
I think I've grown
up enough to be like,
833
00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:35,767
I didn't have any
control of any of that.
834
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:38,369
I'm not looking for forgiveness.
835
00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:41,640
I'm just, it's curiosity for me.
836
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,276
- I'm angry for what they
did to you, I know that.
837
00:40:45,276 --> 00:40:49,080
- Then maybe it's a good
thing that I don't remember.
838
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,982
Maybe I blocked that out.
839
00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:53,118
- It could be a good thing.
840
00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:55,186
- Where would I be if
I was angry with it?
841
00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:57,923
I wouldn't probably
wanna do this.
842
00:40:57,923 --> 00:41:00,291
- What do you hope
you find, man?
843
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:03,695
'Cause I, I don't know
what I want to find,
844
00:41:03,695 --> 00:41:05,430
let alone what I
think I might find.
845
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:06,865
- What is it you hope you find?
846
00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:08,333
- I don't know.
847
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:11,537
I hope I find, not answers
and not even closure.
848
00:41:11,537 --> 00:41:13,038
I mean, I already have
some understanding
849
00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:14,472
which is something I
didn't have before.
850
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,508
I have that picture
that I can paint.
851
00:41:16,508 --> 00:41:18,343
- Do you think you need this?
852
00:41:18,343 --> 00:41:20,879
Like you can't go on without it?
853
00:41:20,879 --> 00:41:22,714
- There's so much more to learn.
854
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:24,382
Everything has really
been fog and mist
855
00:41:24,382 --> 00:41:26,351
that we've got so far,
and we haven't found
856
00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:27,853
a definite truth,
and the only way
857
00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:29,921
that we'll really know
who she is, I think,
858
00:41:29,921 --> 00:41:31,189
is by meeting her.
859
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:32,591
And I wanna know
who this person is,
860
00:41:32,591 --> 00:41:33,825
and it's not about
finding a villain,
861
00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:34,993
it's not about finding a hero,
862
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:36,562
it's not even about
finding a mom.
863
00:41:36,562 --> 00:41:39,464
- Hey, you know what,
I'm with you on that.
864
00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:41,867
She chose to separate from us,
865
00:41:41,867 --> 00:41:44,302
and I don't think we're
gonna give her a choice.
866
00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:47,138
She will have to confront
us, if we get to that point.
867
00:41:47,138 --> 00:41:48,106
- Right.
868
00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:49,407
- She'll have to deal with that.
869
00:41:49,407 --> 00:41:50,976
Whether or not it
goes on from there
870
00:41:50,976 --> 00:41:54,512
is gonna be, is another
story I'm assuming.
871
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,047
- If she started a new family,
872
00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:57,683
that doesn't mean that those
people made those choices,
873
00:41:57,683 --> 00:42:00,786
and us coming into that
life could rock their world.
874
00:42:00,786 --> 00:42:03,855
That might force her
to run again, right?
875
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,390
And then they'll be in
the same position of us,
876
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:07,859
and at what point
does the cycle stop?
877
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,161
When do people stop running?
878
00:42:10,161 --> 00:42:14,332
- It's a hard question
to answer. (laughs)
879
00:42:16,067 --> 00:42:17,736
We only got a few days left.
880
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:19,605
It seems that the direction
881
00:42:19,605 --> 00:42:21,372
that police have
been asking us to go
882
00:42:21,372 --> 00:42:24,876
is with either a PI
or the Salvation Army,
883
00:42:24,876 --> 00:42:27,378
so bearing that in mind,
884
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:30,582
that's where we're
gonna go from here.
885
00:42:30,582 --> 00:42:34,552
- Our friend from
the Collingwood area,
886
00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:36,655
who was gonna help
us behind the scenes
887
00:42:36,655 --> 00:42:38,256
and asked to remain anonymous
888
00:42:38,256 --> 00:42:40,225
has just reached out after
a couple days of silence.
889
00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:42,728
He did say he'd be
at work on Thursday
890
00:42:42,728 --> 00:42:45,363
so we'll see what he
found, being today,
891
00:42:45,363 --> 00:42:47,065
and we'll get in touch.
892
00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:48,499
He wants to call,
and I just asked him
893
00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:50,969
when he wants that to happen.
894
00:42:50,969 --> 00:42:53,639
(phone ringing)
895
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:57,943
- Hi there, this
is Rob McCallum.
896
00:43:07,485 --> 00:43:08,319
- Right.
897
00:43:22,834 --> 00:43:23,669
- Yeah.
898
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:37,515
- Yeah, we went to
the OPP to try to see
899
00:43:37,515 --> 00:43:41,086
if there was anything
ever opened by our family.
900
00:43:41,086 --> 00:43:41,920
- Nothin'.
901
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:48,293
- Right.
902
00:43:55,867 --> 00:43:56,702
- No.
903
00:43:56,702 --> 00:43:58,469
Yeah, I mean, we've--
904
00:43:59,671 --> 00:44:01,539
- Well that's just it,
she was such a traveler.
905
00:44:01,539 --> 00:44:03,341
She was never really
in any one place
906
00:44:03,341 --> 00:44:05,243
for more than a couple years,
907
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:07,445
and we can't find
a single confidant
908
00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:09,647
at really any point
in her entire life
909
00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:11,649
'cause she would just
move from group to group,
910
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:13,919
and even when she was
in the Collingwood area
911
00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:15,386
and married to her
second husband,
912
00:44:15,386 --> 00:44:18,323
she had six or seven jobs
all up in Collingwood
913
00:44:18,323 --> 00:44:22,493
and Thornbury and MacTier and
Owen Sound and Parry Sound.
914
00:44:25,997 --> 00:44:27,232
- I have no idea.
915
00:44:27,232 --> 00:44:29,300
It's quite possible,
there were suggestions
916
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,569
that part of the
reason she had kids
917
00:44:31,569 --> 00:44:33,939
and wanted both my
brother and I around
918
00:44:33,939 --> 00:44:36,574
even though she wasn't
maybe capable of raising us
919
00:44:36,574 --> 00:44:40,245
was to get some social
assistance out of it.
920
00:44:43,949 --> 00:44:44,783
- Sure.
921
00:44:47,118 --> 00:44:49,654
- Okay, I appreciate it, thanks.
922
00:44:49,654 --> 00:44:50,889
- Bye.
923
00:44:50,889 --> 00:44:52,390
Well, he didn't get
any more information.
924
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:54,860
Just as we were startin' to
talk about that case file,
925
00:44:54,860 --> 00:44:58,129
before we could even get
into the case file stuff
926
00:44:58,129 --> 00:44:59,364
he got pulled away.
927
00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:00,899
So at least we're all
on the same page so far
928
00:45:00,899 --> 00:45:05,536
that maybe that '94 report
thing was the last of it.
929
00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:07,005
He's gonna call me back.
930
00:45:07,005 --> 00:45:10,208
It sounds like he didn't
wanna cut that off.
931
00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:12,177
So that's cool, and
maybe he can get us
932
00:45:12,177 --> 00:45:14,179
some more information with
what he's got access to,
933
00:45:14,179 --> 00:45:17,615
but if he's OPP, up there
in northern Ontario,
934
00:45:17,615 --> 00:45:20,451
then he maybe has what OPP
down here in London saw,
935
00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:22,253
which isn't enough to
get more information
936
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,790
so we're still pushin' for
that inner Toronto lead.
937
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:26,324
- [Jordan] It's pretty
funny though, right?
938
00:45:26,324 --> 00:45:29,627
He said the same thing: she
had to have had a confidant,
939
00:45:29,627 --> 00:45:31,462
she had to have
had a best friend,
940
00:45:31,462 --> 00:45:33,932
but we haven't found any.
941
00:45:33,932 --> 00:45:34,833
- Nope.
942
00:45:34,833 --> 00:45:35,666
We have...
943
00:45:38,203 --> 00:45:39,771
- [Chris] I still
find that weird.
944
00:45:39,771 --> 00:45:43,008
- We don't have much
goin' on our side.
945
00:45:43,008 --> 00:45:45,210
I'm not giving up or
anything by any means,
946
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:47,946
but we've got some
solid options.
947
00:45:50,115 --> 00:45:52,017
The thing is, everything
that we've got
948
00:45:52,017 --> 00:45:54,953
really needs to produce
something to go forward.
949
00:45:54,953 --> 00:45:56,454
- [Jordan] Yeah,
we're stalled out
950
00:45:56,454 --> 00:45:58,857
unless we can get into that
file and find the next crumb.
951
00:45:58,857 --> 00:46:00,258
- Yeah.
952
00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:03,795
(suspenseful techno music)
953
00:46:17,075 --> 00:46:17,909
- [Chris] Hello?
954
00:46:17,909 --> 00:46:19,144
- [Ross] Hello.
955
00:46:19,144 --> 00:46:20,345
- [Rob] Next we
went to see Ross.
956
00:46:20,345 --> 00:46:21,813
Ross is Chris's grandpa,
and we're hoping
957
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,382
he can fill in some more
of the story about our mom.
958
00:46:24,382 --> 00:46:26,751
Ross also has a
cousin, also named Rob,
959
00:46:26,751 --> 00:46:28,286
who works for the
Toronto Police Force,
960
00:46:28,286 --> 00:46:29,654
so we're hoping
to give him a call
961
00:46:29,654 --> 00:46:31,356
and see if he has any
suggestions about learning more
962
00:46:31,356 --> 00:46:34,759
about that report that
was filed in 1994.
963
00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:38,229
- Carol got hold of
Prudence and she said,
964
00:46:38,229 --> 00:46:42,167
"I've got Lee here," I
guess it was in Toronto,
965
00:46:44,269 --> 00:46:46,671
"And she wants to see Chris."
966
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,643
So, my wife said, "If you
wanna see Chris, okay.
967
00:46:53,644 --> 00:46:55,813
"I'm gonna see her first."
968
00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:59,384
And she went and saw her,
969
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:04,022
and she said, "Lee, I'm sorry,
970
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:08,059
"if you can't get
yourself cleaned up,
971
00:47:10,095 --> 00:47:13,398
"then you're not gonna see him."
972
00:47:13,398 --> 00:47:15,433
And we, as far as
we're concerned,
973
00:47:15,433 --> 00:47:17,335
never heard from her again.
974
00:47:17,335 --> 00:47:20,338
As far as I know, her
last known appearance
975
00:47:20,338 --> 00:47:22,107
was at Wonderland.
976
00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:24,375
- [Rob] Canada's Wonderland
is an amusement park
977
00:47:24,375 --> 00:47:26,811
just north of Toronto
in Vaughan, Ontario.
978
00:47:26,811 --> 00:47:28,846
In addition to roller
coasters and thrill rides,
979
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:30,681
there are a number
of musical acts,
980
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,250
singing groups, diving shows,
981
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:35,820
and figure skating
performances on display.
982
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:39,991
- Carol told me that she had
met one of Lee's school friends
983
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,562
and the school friend had said
984
00:47:44,562 --> 00:47:47,632
that they had seen
her at Wonderland.
985
00:47:49,067 --> 00:47:53,504
She went, Carol went up and
tried to trace her from there,
986
00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:54,839
from Wonderland.
987
00:47:56,207 --> 00:48:00,178
I guess, well Wonderland
closes over the winter,
988
00:48:00,178 --> 00:48:04,215
so the previous year
the girl had met her,
989
00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:07,185
Carol met the girl
and then Carol
990
00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:11,356
either after Wonderland was
open for the next season,
991
00:48:13,024 --> 00:48:15,760
she wasn't working
there anymore.
992
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,763
If she was actually
at Wonderland,
993
00:48:18,763 --> 00:48:22,934
then she did stay around
Toronto for a period of time.
994
00:48:33,778 --> 00:48:37,048
(phone ringing)
995
00:48:37,048 --> 00:48:38,316
- [Child On Phone] Hello?
996
00:48:38,316 --> 00:48:39,917
- Hello, is Rob there please?
997
00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:41,152
- [Child On Phone] Yes.
998
00:48:41,152 --> 00:48:42,320
- Can I speak to him?
999
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,288
- [Child On Phone] Okay.
1000
00:48:43,288 --> 00:48:44,822
(laughing)
1001
00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:45,656
Daddy!
1002
00:48:47,825 --> 00:48:48,826
- [Cousin Rob] Hello?
1003
00:48:48,826 --> 00:48:50,228
- Hi there Rob, it's Chris.
1004
00:48:50,228 --> 00:48:51,596
- [Cousin Rob] Hey,
what's goin' on?
1005
00:48:51,596 --> 00:48:53,731
- Oh not too bad,
long time no see.
1006
00:48:53,731 --> 00:48:54,699
- [Cousin Rob] I know.
1007
00:48:54,699 --> 00:48:56,201
- Where've you been?
1008
00:48:56,201 --> 00:48:58,736
- [Cousin Rob] I've been
here, where have you been?
1009
00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:00,438
- Well I've been in
the great white North.
1010
00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:01,706
(Rob laughing)
1011
00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:03,108
Keepin' the North
strong and free.
1012
00:49:03,108 --> 00:49:04,609
- [Cousin Rob] Right.
1013
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:06,677
- So, me and my brother,
my brother's a filmmaker.
1014
00:49:06,677 --> 00:49:09,680
One of the things we uncovered
throughout all of this
1015
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,517
was a file that
came up in Toronto,
1016
00:49:12,517 --> 00:49:15,086
with her name and date of birth.
1017
00:49:15,086 --> 00:49:16,721
- [Cousin Rob] Okay.
1018
00:49:16,721 --> 00:49:17,922
- In 1994.
1019
00:49:17,922 --> 00:49:20,025
I know it's 20 years
ago, but really
1020
00:49:20,025 --> 00:49:22,994
that's the only lead
we've had since.
1021
00:49:22,994 --> 00:49:27,032
So there was no ever any
missing person's file, per se,
1022
00:49:27,032 --> 00:49:30,535
like you would hope there
would be one, but there isn't.
1023
00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:32,370
And I was just wondering
if you were able
1024
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:33,638
to look into it for me.
1025
00:49:33,638 --> 00:49:36,374
- [Cousin Rob] Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1026
00:49:36,374 --> 00:49:37,908
- [Rob] So what do
you think about that?
1027
00:49:37,908 --> 00:49:39,310
- That's awesome.
1028
00:49:41,012 --> 00:49:42,413
- How are you feelin' right now?
1029
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:43,248
- Excited.
1030
00:49:43,248 --> 00:49:44,682
- Why?
1031
00:49:44,682 --> 00:49:46,417
- Because he's more than
willing to look into it for us
1032
00:49:46,417 --> 00:49:48,686
and check in and
do whatever he can
1033
00:49:48,686 --> 00:49:50,621
to help us at that end,
1034
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:53,524
and then give us an update.
1035
00:49:53,524 --> 00:49:56,027
Unfortunately it's gonna
be after, but that's--
1036
00:49:56,027 --> 00:49:57,428
- [Rob] But it's in the works.
1037
00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:58,929
- But it's in the works,
and it sounds like
1038
00:49:58,929 --> 00:50:01,166
it's a good start, but he
won't be back into work
1039
00:50:01,166 --> 00:50:03,501
until it sounds like Monday.
1040
00:50:03,501 --> 00:50:07,438
- I'll be the negative guy
saying it sucks I leave Monday.
1041
00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:10,108
- It ain't over on Monday,
it ain't over on Monday.
1042
00:50:10,108 --> 00:50:12,377
- [Chris] It's been 25 years.
1043
00:50:12,377 --> 00:50:14,979
Another couple of months isn't
gonna kill anyone. (laughs)
1044
00:50:14,979 --> 00:50:16,981
- I can't imagine a
better case scenario,
1045
00:50:16,981 --> 00:50:18,049
really, than that.
1046
00:50:18,049 --> 00:50:19,584
- So?
1047
00:50:19,584 --> 00:50:20,385
- There's still no guarantee
about anything in that file.
1048
00:50:20,385 --> 00:50:21,319
- Here's the question.
1049
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:22,420
Here's the bigger question.
1050
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:23,354
- What?
1051
00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:24,355
- What do we do Saturday?
1052
00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:25,890
- Collingwood.
- Collingwood.
1053
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:27,425
- [Rob] In what capacity?
1054
00:50:27,425 --> 00:50:29,026
- [Jordan] A combination,
like you said.
1055
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:30,761
- I think we should
try, go and see
1056
00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:32,963
if we can talk to anyone,
just to talk to them,
1057
00:50:32,963 --> 00:50:35,233
get our faces out there saying
this is what's happening,
1058
00:50:35,233 --> 00:50:37,168
generate hype for
this Kickstarter.
1059
00:50:37,168 --> 00:50:40,405
Being like, it started
in their community
1060
00:50:40,405 --> 00:50:44,375
and I think we can get
people on board with that.
1061
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:47,545
(upbeat techno music)
1062
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:50,115
- So we're at 50 kilometers,
1063
00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:53,151
30 miles outside of
Collingwood, northern Ontario.
1064
00:50:53,151 --> 00:50:55,153
This is the last
place anybody saw her
1065
00:50:55,153 --> 00:50:57,155
so we decided that
we're gonna print off
1066
00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:59,890
a bunch of these, we got 200
flyers ready to hand out.
1067
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:01,626
We're gonna go it all the
restaurants that we know
1068
00:51:01,626 --> 00:51:03,027
because she worked
in the hospitality,
1069
00:51:03,027 --> 00:51:05,263
service industry,
maybe a couple hotels.
1070
00:51:05,263 --> 00:51:07,632
Interrupt the daily life of
people who are in coffee shops,
1071
00:51:07,632 --> 00:51:09,200
that's where we're
gonna hope to hit them,
1072
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,470
pass these out, and see
what leads we can find.
1073
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:15,640
(upbeat techno music)
1074
00:51:17,875 --> 00:51:20,145
Oh, not bad, how are you doin'?
1075
00:51:20,145 --> 00:51:21,746
Hoping that you can
help us with something.
1076
00:51:21,746 --> 00:51:24,349
We're conducting a
missing person search.
1077
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:25,650
Nah, well, not too bad.
1078
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:26,817
We're hoping you
can help us out.
1079
00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:28,419
We're conducting a
missing persons search.
1080
00:51:28,419 --> 00:51:30,788
Our mom disappeared
like 25 years ago,
1081
00:51:30,788 --> 00:51:32,223
but someone said they saw her
1082
00:51:32,223 --> 00:51:34,459
in the four to 10 year
region in this area,
1083
00:51:34,459 --> 00:51:36,093
which is where we grew
up in the mid 80s.
1084
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:37,528
We're actually wondering
if you can help us out.
1085
00:51:37,528 --> 00:51:39,264
We're conducting a
missing persons search.
1086
00:51:39,264 --> 00:51:41,466
My mom went missing
25 years ago,
1087
00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:43,801
so I live in Las Vegas, my
brother lives north of Winnipeg.
1088
00:51:43,801 --> 00:51:45,102
He's hitting another restaurant
1089
00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:46,404
'cause she worked as
a waitress and stuff,
1090
00:51:46,404 --> 00:51:47,705
and we have a flyer
and we're wondering
1091
00:51:47,705 --> 00:51:49,073
if we can post it
or give it to you.
1092
00:51:49,073 --> 00:51:50,808
So, we just stopped
in a restaurant
1093
00:51:50,808 --> 00:51:52,310
that's only been here a year,
1094
00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:53,611
but the guy that's up
there, who tends bar here,
1095
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:55,513
says he's seen her
at Blue Mountain.
1096
00:51:55,513 --> 00:51:57,215
He says, "She looks familiar,
go to Blue Mountain,"
1097
00:51:57,215 --> 00:51:59,049
he gave us a contact,
gave us someone to check,
1098
00:51:59,049 --> 00:52:00,518
so after we hit a
few more on here
1099
00:52:00,518 --> 00:52:01,786
we're definitely gonna
head up to the mountain
1100
00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:03,221
and check the Blue Mountain Inn
1101
00:52:03,221 --> 00:52:04,989
or the conference center
where this manager
1102
00:52:04,989 --> 00:52:07,792
of food and beverage is, and
try to talk to that person
1103
00:52:07,792 --> 00:52:09,294
and see if we can get a lead.
1104
00:52:09,294 --> 00:52:13,298
He swears that he may have
seen her within a year.
1105
00:52:13,298 --> 00:52:16,867
(suspenseful techno music)
1106
00:52:25,042 --> 00:52:26,344
So we're outside Kelsey's.
1107
00:52:26,344 --> 00:52:27,845
We had lunch here.
1108
00:52:27,845 --> 00:52:31,549
This is where our mom used to
work about 23, 24 years ago,
1109
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:33,218
and we're about to
talk to somebody
1110
00:52:33,218 --> 00:52:34,619
who had just punched
in the clock,
1111
00:52:34,619 --> 00:52:36,487
so he's about to
start his shift,
1112
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:38,223
and he worked here
about 20 years ago
1113
00:52:38,223 --> 00:52:39,557
so there's a chance that
there's some overlap
1114
00:52:39,557 --> 00:52:40,791
between the two.
1115
00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:42,293
It's the last shot at
the end of the day,
1116
00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:44,362
hopefully that we can get some
information out of this guy
1117
00:52:44,362 --> 00:52:46,364
and end the day on
a positive note,
1118
00:52:46,364 --> 00:52:49,200
but we've done a good job,
I think, papering the town
1119
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,936
and success will only
really be determined
1120
00:52:51,936 --> 00:52:54,038
on what happened going
forward from here,
1121
00:52:54,038 --> 00:52:58,042
so let's hope we get lucky
and see what happens.
1122
00:52:58,042 --> 00:52:59,444
I have a lot of mixed feelings
1123
00:52:59,444 --> 00:53:01,011
about being back in Collingwood,
1124
00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:03,113
because the years
that I lived there
1125
00:53:03,113 --> 00:53:07,017
were probably the worst
years of my entire life.
1126
00:53:07,017 --> 00:53:11,021
- Chris was born, and they
were living in Thornbury.
1127
00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:12,823
Okay, you're gonna get
your life together.
1128
00:53:12,823 --> 00:53:15,793
Now, she got a new husband now,
this is the second husband.
1129
00:53:15,793 --> 00:53:17,662
Gonna get her life together
and they're gonna do this
1130
00:53:17,662 --> 00:53:19,230
and they're gonna do
that, and I said okay,
1131
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,699
we'll let Rob go
live with you for,
1132
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:23,568
see how things work out.
1133
00:53:23,568 --> 00:53:26,571
- I gave him my
Battle Armor He-man.
1134
00:53:28,138 --> 00:53:31,342
I'm just like, you know,
take this with you,
1135
00:53:31,342 --> 00:53:33,744
and I remember just
crying and crying
1136
00:53:33,744 --> 00:53:35,780
and going home.
1137
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:37,948
- They were kids, I
mean, well, a baby.
1138
00:53:37,948 --> 00:53:40,518
I could relate more
to Rob because,
1139
00:53:40,518 --> 00:53:43,220
you know, he liked his
Masters of the Universe stuff
1140
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:45,189
and I used to like sittin' there
1141
00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:46,757
watchin' the shows with him.
1142
00:53:46,757 --> 00:53:50,928
Our family life, between the
three of us, was pretty good.
1143
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:56,334
A lotta times the question
was, well, where's mom?
1144
00:53:56,334 --> 00:54:00,305
Well, she's at work, she's
somewhere, I don't know.
1145
00:54:00,305 --> 00:54:02,072
- And then, over time,
1146
00:54:05,009 --> 00:54:08,078
I would say, started
to get neglectful.
1147
00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:10,481
- We did send money up because
1148
00:54:10,481 --> 00:54:12,082
we wanted to make sure the kids,
1149
00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:13,718
there was not much in
their cupboards up there
1150
00:54:13,718 --> 00:54:15,653
when we went for a visit.
1151
00:54:15,653 --> 00:54:18,456
- The husband was busy
working long hours,
1152
00:54:18,456 --> 00:54:21,025
strange hours, never came home.
1153
00:54:21,025 --> 00:54:22,827
Like, he was there at mealtime
1154
00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:27,298
so he ate all his meals at
the resort, if you wanna say,
1155
00:54:27,298 --> 00:54:28,699
so he wasn't hungry.
1156
00:54:28,699 --> 00:54:30,301
- We don't have
anything for supper
1157
00:54:30,301 --> 00:54:33,338
or somethin' like that,
and I'd have to leave work,
1158
00:54:33,338 --> 00:54:36,441
go get somethin' for them
for supper, bring it to them.
1159
00:54:36,441 --> 00:54:39,143
- Robby and Chris would
come down with the father
1160
00:54:39,143 --> 00:54:40,244
or with them.
1161
00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:45,215
They kinda, Robby would
kinda raid the cupboard
1162
00:54:45,215 --> 00:54:47,418
'cause he wanted to
take food back home,
1163
00:54:47,418 --> 00:54:50,521
kinda the caretaker, looking
after the little brother.
1164
00:54:50,521 --> 00:54:52,390
- I don't know what the
mother was doing at that time,
1165
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:53,824
whether she was
working or whether
1166
00:54:53,824 --> 00:54:55,893
she was just out diddling
around or something,
1167
00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:58,295
but they had a babysitter that
was looking after the kids.
1168
00:54:58,295 --> 00:55:00,130
I think she was supposed
to be working somewhere,
1169
00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:01,632
I have no idea where.
1170
00:55:01,632 --> 00:55:05,102
- But we got a feeling that,
geez, why are the boys hungry?
1171
00:55:05,102 --> 00:55:06,704
- There was never
any food in the house
1172
00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:09,607
for the kids to eat,
and the babysitter was,
1173
00:55:09,607 --> 00:55:11,876
you know, it was
just deplorable.
1174
00:55:11,876 --> 00:55:14,244
- I had no qualms
about getting him
1175
00:55:14,244 --> 00:55:16,013
because we still had custody,
1176
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:18,349
but working for a lawyer, the
first thing he said to me,
1177
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:20,585
he says, "You can't walk in
there and take his brother
1178
00:55:20,585 --> 00:55:22,553
"because the minute
you walk out the door,
1179
00:55:22,553 --> 00:55:24,722
"she can charge you
with kidnapping."
1180
00:55:24,722 --> 00:55:26,524
That's when I said to them,
"Then what am I gonna do?"
1181
00:55:26,524 --> 00:55:28,659
He said, "I'm gonna
draw ya up papers,
1182
00:55:28,659 --> 00:55:31,228
"put my notary seal on
it, but you've gotta get
1183
00:55:31,228 --> 00:55:33,263
"that boy's father
to sign the paper."
1184
00:55:33,263 --> 00:55:37,334
- She'd try to corner ya,
and put ya in a situation
1185
00:55:37,334 --> 00:55:40,204
where you couldn't,
where it was like,
1186
00:55:40,204 --> 00:55:41,406
you know what I mean?
1187
00:55:41,406 --> 00:55:43,474
She had all the legal
stuff behind her.
1188
00:55:43,474 --> 00:55:46,444
- So when I went in and I
told her I was takin' Rob,
1189
00:55:46,444 --> 00:55:48,112
she said, "You can't take him."
1190
00:55:48,112 --> 00:55:50,347
I said, "Yes, I can, I
have custody of him."
1191
00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:53,651
'Cause I would never, we
would never sign off custody.
1192
00:55:53,651 --> 00:55:55,820
And I said, "Well might as
well pack up Christopher
1193
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:57,488
"'cause he's coming with me,"
1194
00:55:57,488 --> 00:56:00,190
and he said, "No, I'm
not lettin' ya take him."
1195
00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:03,293
And she looked to her
second husband, Rick,
1196
00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:05,295
and said, "You gonna let
my parents take him?"
1197
00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:06,531
And he said, "No."
1198
00:56:06,531 --> 00:56:08,365
So I thought about
it for a few minutes
1199
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:11,135
and he wandered away, and
of course she's cryin'
1200
00:56:11,135 --> 00:56:12,336
and carryin' on.
1201
00:56:12,336 --> 00:56:14,472
She didn't wanna lose
one let alone two,
1202
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:16,273
and that's when
I went downstairs
1203
00:56:16,273 --> 00:56:19,977
because, (sighing)
Rob's grandfather
1204
00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:22,447
had already told me what
was going on downstairs,
1205
00:56:22,447 --> 00:56:24,014
so when I went
downstairs and I said,
1206
00:56:24,014 --> 00:56:25,950
"Rick, I'm taking
Christopher with me."
1207
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:27,418
He said, "You can't take him."
1208
00:56:27,418 --> 00:56:28,653
I said, "Yes, I can."
1209
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:30,154
I said, "I've got papers
here for you to sign
1210
00:56:30,154 --> 00:56:31,321
"so that I can take him."
1211
00:56:31,321 --> 00:56:32,823
He said, "You're
not takin' him,"
1212
00:56:32,823 --> 00:56:34,792
and that's when I got up and
I pushed him against the wall
1213
00:56:34,792 --> 00:56:37,261
and I said, "I either take
him or I call the Mounties
1214
00:56:37,261 --> 00:56:38,829
"and they take
you for that stuff
1215
00:56:38,829 --> 00:56:40,230
"that's growin' in
the other room."
1216
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,399
- Yes, I did have a
couple of pot plants
1217
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:43,601
growin' in the basement.
1218
00:56:43,601 --> 00:56:44,835
I was young.
1219
00:56:44,835 --> 00:56:46,937
- And he couldn't stop
me from takin' 'em.
1220
00:56:46,937 --> 00:56:50,007
Because, I would've
called the Mounties.
1221
00:56:50,007 --> 00:56:52,142
- It was basically she
wanted what was right for,
1222
00:56:52,142 --> 00:56:54,845
what was better
for Robby, right?
1223
00:56:54,845 --> 00:56:56,681
And I wanted what
was better for Robby
1224
00:56:56,681 --> 00:56:58,449
and also for Christopher.
1225
00:56:58,449 --> 00:57:01,719
- She called us and
we had already offered
1226
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,254
to take Chris if
that was the case,
1227
00:57:04,254 --> 00:57:07,825
which, when we got the
word, we did. (laughing)
1228
00:57:07,825 --> 00:57:09,560
- And so then it
was agreed upon,
1229
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,195
the way things went.
1230
00:57:11,195 --> 00:57:14,064
One went one way, the
other went the other.
1231
00:57:14,064 --> 00:57:17,735
Everybody still stayed
pretty well in touch.
1232
00:57:19,003 --> 00:57:21,205
Everybody except one person.
1233
00:57:21,205 --> 00:57:24,074
- It was great, I thought
it was just for a visit.
1234
00:57:24,074 --> 00:57:26,076
I don't remember who told
me, it was probably my mom,
1235
00:57:26,076 --> 00:57:28,746
that, "Oh no, he's
back for good."
1236
00:57:28,746 --> 00:57:31,549
- I went by the
place, stopped in,
1237
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:34,585
and talked to them and
told them where I was going
1238
00:57:34,585 --> 00:57:37,121
and I would be
back on the Monday,
1239
00:57:37,121 --> 00:57:41,191
and I would pick up all the
toys and stuff the kids had.
1240
00:57:41,191 --> 00:57:43,460
I had a truck, so I
could take it all.
1241
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,964
I would pick it up and
bring it back here.
1242
00:57:48,198 --> 00:57:50,735
In doing so, I arrived
on, I think Monday,
1243
00:57:50,735 --> 00:57:52,302
I think it was
sometime on Monday.
1244
00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:54,138
I pulled in there and
they had a garage sale
1245
00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:57,307
on the weekend and
sold all the stuff.
1246
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:00,144
Very nice.
1247
00:58:01,045 --> 00:58:02,847
So I brought back nothing.
1248
00:58:02,847 --> 00:58:05,349
- Why would you sell
your kids' toys?
1249
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:07,785
If you didn't need the money?
1250
00:58:07,785 --> 00:58:11,656
But, if the kids aren't
eating, there's no money.
1251
00:58:11,656 --> 00:58:14,625
If there's pot being
grown in the basement,
1252
00:58:14,625 --> 00:58:17,127
that's one step to
other things, right?
1253
00:58:17,127 --> 00:58:20,397
- How do you tell a kid that
they ain't there no more?
1254
00:58:20,397 --> 00:58:24,034
- After Chris came
to live with us,
1255
00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:26,303
I took him out for
a haircut one day
1256
00:58:26,303 --> 00:58:29,907
and the barber took a look
at the scaling on his head
1257
00:58:29,907 --> 00:58:33,978
and he says, "He was
malnutritioned at
one time or another,
1258
00:58:33,978 --> 00:58:37,648
"and that's why he's
got this scabs or scale
1259
00:58:37,648 --> 00:58:40,417
"on the top of his head."
1260
00:58:40,417 --> 00:58:43,053
- Yeah, she hurt us a
bit, but being parents
1261
00:58:43,053 --> 00:58:45,556
you learn to forgive and forget,
1262
00:58:45,556 --> 00:58:47,157
but she hurt her boys.
1263
00:58:47,157 --> 00:58:48,893
That I don't forgive.
1264
00:58:50,628 --> 00:58:54,131
(slow, somber rock music)
1265
00:59:09,146 --> 00:59:12,817
- It was definitely a
learning experience.
1266
00:59:12,817 --> 00:59:16,654
This trip has been
extremely informative.
1267
00:59:16,654 --> 00:59:19,624
I literally went from
knowing extremely little
1268
00:59:19,624 --> 00:59:22,059
to knowing like 200 times more
1269
00:59:22,059 --> 00:59:24,061
than I ever thought I would.
1270
00:59:24,061 --> 00:59:27,497
And I think we started
the actual search.
1271
00:59:28,866 --> 00:59:32,803
We've stretched our legs
into social media a bit
1272
00:59:32,803 --> 00:59:34,571
and we've got some
positive results.
1273
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:38,042
We've been in Collingwood,
her last known location.
1274
00:59:38,042 --> 00:59:41,178
I'm excited, I think we've
got somewhere to go from here.
1275
00:59:41,178 --> 00:59:42,680
The biggest thing I've learned
1276
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,383
is that this is not just
a character in a picture,
1277
00:59:46,383 --> 00:59:48,152
but an actual person.
1278
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:52,189
Like, I watched a
video and saw life,
1279
00:59:52,189 --> 00:59:54,158
the person was
living and breathing
1280
00:59:54,158 --> 00:59:56,493
and interacting with people.
1281
00:59:58,028 --> 01:00:01,966
So yeah, it's a real
thing, it's a real person.
1282
01:00:03,133 --> 01:00:05,502
- There are some things
that are just too hard
1283
01:00:05,502 --> 01:00:09,473
to do by yourself, and I
think for both Rob and Chris,
1284
01:00:09,473 --> 01:00:12,209
they've done too much
of this by themselves.
1285
01:00:12,209 --> 01:00:15,579
I'd like to see that
they really think about
1286
01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:17,782
doing this with someone
else, somebody trained
1287
01:00:17,782 --> 01:00:22,219
and somebody who can really
help them to let it go.
1288
01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:25,723
(slow, somber rock music)
1289
01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:49,379
(phone ringing)
1290
01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:50,380
- [Chris] Hello?
1291
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:51,782
- [Rob] Hey, Chris, it's Rob.
1292
01:00:51,782 --> 01:00:53,083
- [Chris] Hey.
1293
01:00:53,083 --> 01:00:54,051
- [Rob] Hey, this
is being recorded
1294
01:00:54,051 --> 01:00:55,419
for the sake of the film.
1295
01:00:55,419 --> 01:00:56,687
- [Chris] (laughs) Okay.
1296
01:00:56,687 --> 01:01:00,324
- [Rob] Just thought
I'd throw it out there.
1297
01:01:10,334 --> 01:01:11,168
- Right.
1298
01:01:21,178 --> 01:01:22,012
- Okay.
1299
01:02:05,389 --> 01:02:07,825
- Yeah, I mean, it's
nice that it is all
1300
01:02:07,825 --> 01:02:09,459
kinda revolving
around the same area.
1301
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:11,195
I don't know if
there's an address
1302
01:02:11,195 --> 01:02:14,498
for this 2006 incident
that we can investigate,
1303
01:02:14,498 --> 01:02:17,201
if it's a landlord,
what do they know,
1304
01:02:17,201 --> 01:02:20,637
what can they say, what
are they willing to say.
1305
01:02:20,637 --> 01:02:22,506
It just really points
us in another direction.
1306
01:02:22,506 --> 01:02:26,010
With Chris still in the GTA,
the Greater Toronto Area,
1307
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:30,180
he might be doing a little road
trip himself, I don't know.
1308
01:02:39,356 --> 01:02:40,190
- Yeah.
1309
01:02:44,394 --> 01:02:47,064
- Yeah, absolutely,
so the plan right now
1310
01:02:47,064 --> 01:02:49,900
is to focus all our
efforts on Toronto,
1311
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,637
as crazy as that sounds, a
city of over two million,
1312
01:02:53,637 --> 01:02:56,673
three million once you
consider the surrounding area,
1313
01:02:56,673 --> 01:03:00,344
but a new flyer will go
up today with Lee Byford
1314
01:03:00,344 --> 01:03:04,448
and I'll try to get more
recent pics to keep pushin'.
1315
01:03:07,384 --> 01:03:10,254
So, just got a message,
man, on Facebook
1316
01:03:10,254 --> 01:03:13,290
from somebody who saw
our social media posts
1317
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:16,393
and they said, "This
is Lee's number."
1318
01:03:16,393 --> 01:03:17,627
They gave me the phone number.
1319
01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:19,997
This was just forwarded
to me for some reason.
1320
01:03:19,997 --> 01:03:23,033
She said, "This is
your mom's number,"
1321
01:03:23,033 --> 01:03:27,471
and it's a 647 number, which
is a Toronto area code.
1322
01:03:27,471 --> 01:03:29,639
So, what the hell do I do?
1323
01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:37,814
- This is someone who
was in a certain picture
1324
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,249
that was just posted.
1325
01:03:39,249 --> 01:03:41,051
I'm trying to protect
their identity a little bit
1326
01:03:41,051 --> 01:03:43,487
since this is being recorded.
1327
01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:49,726
- The message says, and
I'm not skipping a word,
1328
01:03:49,726 --> 01:03:52,362
"This is Lee's
number," the number,
1329
01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:55,532
"this was just forwarded
to me for some reason."
1330
01:03:55,532 --> 01:03:58,702
She said, "This is
your mom's number."
1331
01:04:00,104 --> 01:04:03,273
And I responded right
away, are you kidding me?
1332
01:04:03,273 --> 01:04:06,443
Question mark, question mark,
question mark, question mark.
1333
01:04:06,443 --> 01:04:08,245
And I'm waiting for a response.
1334
01:04:08,245 --> 01:04:09,914
So this was a flyer
that was posted
1335
01:04:09,914 --> 01:04:12,249
on a Collingwood Facebook site,
1336
01:04:12,249 --> 01:04:15,019
and someone saw it and
contacted the person
1337
01:04:15,019 --> 01:04:17,187
who posted it, who's,
again, one of these people
1338
01:04:17,187 --> 01:04:20,891
in the pictures that we just
posted through social media,
1339
01:04:20,891 --> 01:04:23,060
and now this number
is out there.
1340
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:24,661
(beeping)
1341
01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:25,896
- [Lee] Hello.
1342
01:04:25,896 --> 01:04:29,099
- Hi, could I speak
to Lee Byford please?
1343
01:04:30,267 --> 01:04:32,802
- Lee, I'm a friend from
the Collingwood area,
1344
01:04:32,802 --> 01:04:34,338
I think we may have
worked together.
1345
01:04:34,338 --> 01:04:36,640
I'm just trying to see if I
can get in touch with you.
1346
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,910
I think we worked
together at Kelsey's.
1347
01:04:42,947 --> 01:04:43,780
- Well--
1348
01:04:45,415 --> 01:04:46,783
(Skype program beeping)
1349
01:04:46,783 --> 01:04:47,784
- Oh my god.
1350
01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:53,023
My connection just dropped.
1351
01:05:00,397 --> 01:05:03,867
- Well, at first I thought
it was a voicemail.
1352
01:05:03,867 --> 01:05:05,669
Oh my god, and then
my connection dropped
1353
01:05:05,669 --> 01:05:08,505
'cause I have all
my I-devices on.
1354
01:05:10,174 --> 01:05:12,176
(bleep)
1355
01:05:24,488 --> 01:05:27,157
- Holy (bleep).
1356
01:05:34,864 --> 01:05:37,534
(deep exhaling)
1357
01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:43,373
- All right, I'm gonna
call her from the phone.
1358
01:05:58,022 --> 01:05:59,756
- Yeah, yeah I agree.
1359
01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:02,459
Jesus.
1360
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:06,063
Okay, I'll let you
know how it goes.
1361
01:06:06,063 --> 01:06:08,732
(phone ringing)
1362
01:06:21,711 --> 01:06:22,546
- Hi, Lee?
1363
01:06:23,847 --> 01:06:25,249
- Hi, sorry, my
connection dropped.
1364
01:06:25,249 --> 01:06:28,585
I was calling you
from a Skype number.
1365
01:06:28,585 --> 01:06:30,454
- Sorry about that.
1366
01:06:30,454 --> 01:06:32,056
Listen, this is a bit strange.
1367
01:06:32,056 --> 01:06:33,790
Are you sitting down?
1368
01:06:35,759 --> 01:06:37,761
- I think you're my mom.
1369
01:06:39,696 --> 01:06:40,964
- Rob McCallum.
1370
01:06:44,601 --> 01:06:45,869
- I'm in Las Vegas right now,
1371
01:06:45,869 --> 01:06:47,604
which if this is
a mobile number,
1372
01:06:47,604 --> 01:06:51,007
that's probably why it
came up as a 213 area code.
1373
01:06:51,007 --> 01:06:52,076
- [Lee] Mm hmm.
1374
01:06:52,076 --> 01:06:53,510
- Are you my mom?
1375
01:06:56,580 --> 01:07:00,084
- I don't know if you're
gonna hang up or anything
1376
01:07:00,084 --> 01:07:03,453
but I just wanna let
you know I love you.
1377
01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:05,689
- Yeah.
1378
01:07:11,161 --> 01:07:13,697
- Or text me and I can call
ya back to save long distance.
1379
01:07:13,697 --> 01:07:14,931
Please call me.
1380
01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:17,801
- Thank you so much.
1381
01:07:19,236 --> 01:07:20,304
- I love you.
1382
01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:38,455
(phone ringing)
1383
01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:51,168
(deep exhaling)
1384
01:07:52,802 --> 01:07:54,804
- Just give me a second.
1385
01:07:57,941 --> 01:07:58,775
It's her.
1386
01:08:00,377 --> 01:08:02,946
(phone ringing)
1387
01:08:02,946 --> 01:08:03,780
- Chris.
1388
01:08:04,714 --> 01:08:05,615
- It's Rob.
1389
01:08:07,717 --> 01:08:09,653
- Are you sitting down?
1390
01:08:11,521 --> 01:08:13,022
- Please sit down.
1391
01:08:18,162 --> 01:08:20,397
- I just talked to our mom.
1392
01:08:21,731 --> 01:08:24,901
- I'm not (bleep) ya.
1393
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,177
- Here, I gotta race
back to my office.
1394
01:08:33,177 --> 01:08:36,045
Well, I'm hopin' that we can
do the first meet together
1395
01:08:36,045 --> 01:08:39,816
with cameras around, if
she's cool with that.
1396
01:08:44,621 --> 01:08:48,425
- I hear ya, man, I gotta
book a whole new flight.
1397
01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:50,327
- Are you sitting down?
1398
01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:54,231
- Okay, I need some advice.
1399
01:08:56,366 --> 01:08:58,535
- I just talked to my mom.
1400
01:09:02,038 --> 01:09:02,872
- No.
1401
01:09:05,575 --> 01:09:06,743
- [Norm] You did?
1402
01:09:06,743 --> 01:09:07,744
- 100%.
1403
01:09:12,216 --> 01:09:13,950
- [Voicemail Recording] To
leave a callback number,
1404
01:09:13,950 --> 01:09:15,985
press five.
(beeping)
1405
01:09:15,985 --> 01:09:18,054
- Hey Uncle Rob, it's
your nephew, Rob.
1406
01:09:18,054 --> 01:09:22,426
It's about 20 to 3:00 your time
on Wednesday, November 19th.
1407
01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:26,596
Just calling to let you know
that I talked to my mom.
1408
01:09:26,596 --> 01:09:31,468
Hopefully you're not on a
ladder when you get this.
1409
01:09:31,468 --> 01:09:34,137
So Jordan and I have had
an adventure this morning.
1410
01:09:34,137 --> 01:09:35,872
- Well, what happened?
1411
01:09:35,872 --> 01:09:37,541
- [Rob] I talked to
my mom on the phone.
1412
01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:39,709
- No way, are you serious?
1413
01:09:40,944 --> 01:09:42,912
- [Rob] I talked to
her on the phone.
1414
01:09:42,912 --> 01:09:43,947
- Really?
1415
01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:48,117
(dramatic techno
and piano music)
1416
01:10:35,031 --> 01:10:36,766
- Wow, when I
return to Las Vegas
1417
01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:39,035
I'll have a mom in my life.
1418
01:10:40,404 --> 01:10:41,237
Weird.
1419
01:10:52,215 --> 01:10:54,318
- [Jordan] So
where are we going?
1420
01:10:54,318 --> 01:10:57,086
- After 10 days of
the social media push
1421
01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:01,124
and the hunt and papering
the town, we got a response
1422
01:11:01,124 --> 01:11:03,827
and made connections
with my mom,
1423
01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:05,795
and now we're about an hour away
1424
01:11:05,795 --> 01:11:07,931
from a journey that
started, really only like
1425
01:11:07,931 --> 01:11:12,135
two or three weeks ago
and 10 days of hard push
1426
01:11:12,135 --> 01:11:14,070
to try to find her.
1427
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:15,772
From what I understand,
it was part in parcel
1428
01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:17,607
from our push to Collingwood,
1429
01:11:17,607 --> 01:11:19,175
seeing the flyers all over town,
1430
01:11:19,175 --> 01:11:21,044
and the stuff on Facebook,
1431
01:11:21,044 --> 01:11:24,280
and a combination
of the two paid off.
1432
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,449
Good to see ya.
1433
01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:26,983
- Long time no see.
1434
01:11:26,983 --> 01:11:28,184
- Yeah.
(laughing)
1435
01:11:28,184 --> 01:11:29,553
What was your reaction
when I called you
1436
01:11:29,553 --> 01:11:31,588
and I said, "I hope
you're sitting down,
1437
01:11:31,588 --> 01:11:33,757
"I just talked to our mom"?
1438
01:11:33,757 --> 01:11:38,662
- It was a holy (bleep)
moment. (laughing)
1439
01:11:38,662 --> 01:11:40,196
It was a holy (bleep) moment.
1440
01:11:40,196 --> 01:11:41,865
That was, it
happened a lot faster
1441
01:11:41,865 --> 01:11:44,568
than I thought it
was gonna happen.
1442
01:11:44,568 --> 01:11:46,202
- The closest thing
is adrenaline,
1443
01:11:46,202 --> 01:11:47,537
and it's just been like ongoing,
1444
01:11:47,537 --> 01:11:49,205
like, oh my god, oh
my god, oh my god,
1445
01:11:49,205 --> 01:11:50,239
oh my god, oh my god.
1446
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:51,508
Just like, this is happening,
1447
01:11:51,508 --> 01:11:53,443
and the second that
I got the information
1448
01:11:53,443 --> 01:11:55,545
and talked to her on the phone,
1449
01:11:55,545 --> 01:11:57,347
it just didn't end
for that entire day,
1450
01:11:57,347 --> 01:11:58,382
and then the next
day it was like,
1451
01:11:58,382 --> 01:11:59,949
oh, no this is still happening.
1452
01:11:59,949 --> 01:12:02,251
This wasn't a dream and
this wasn't just for a film.
1453
01:12:02,251 --> 01:12:05,188
This is big ramification
kinda stuff.
1454
01:12:05,188 --> 01:12:08,725
Booked a flight that night
and, well, here I am.
1455
01:12:08,725 --> 01:12:11,127
- I don't have any
expectations, I don't think.
1456
01:12:11,127 --> 01:12:12,729
- All I know is
that everybody said
1457
01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:15,565
that it would be near
impossible to do, and we did it.
1458
01:12:15,565 --> 01:12:18,334
And that feels really
good for the moment.
1459
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:20,069
She's worried that we
won't recognize her,
1460
01:12:20,069 --> 01:12:21,471
she's worried that
she's not gonna have
1461
01:12:21,471 --> 01:12:23,540
the answers to the
questions we have,
1462
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:25,509
and I just said, "I'm
hungry, I'm just lookin'
1463
01:12:25,509 --> 01:12:26,876
"for somethin' to eat."
1464
01:12:26,876 --> 01:12:28,578
She said, "I don't think
I'll be able to eat,"
1465
01:12:28,578 --> 01:12:30,179
and I said, "Chris
and I probably won't
have that problem."
1466
01:12:30,179 --> 01:12:32,115
(laughing)
I mean, we can eat.
1467
01:12:32,115 --> 01:12:33,316
So, you hungry?
1468
01:12:33,316 --> 01:12:34,418
- I could eat.
1469
01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:35,485
- You could eat.
1470
01:12:35,485 --> 01:12:36,920
(laughing) Okay.
1471
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,390
All right, we're goin'
off into the sunset.
1472
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:43,393
(mellow rock music)
1473
01:12:58,341 --> 01:12:59,342
- It was so,
1474
01:13:01,177 --> 01:13:04,481
I can't even think of a word
to describe what I was feeling
1475
01:13:04,481 --> 01:13:08,151
because it was somethin'
I dreamed about,
1476
01:13:08,151 --> 01:13:10,319
that I might hear
from them someday
1477
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,657
but I just, certainly
didn't wake up that day
1478
01:13:13,657 --> 01:13:15,559
thinkin' it would be that day.
1479
01:13:15,559 --> 01:13:17,226
I don't wanna say it
was a different time,
1480
01:13:17,226 --> 01:13:21,798
but it was, (sniffing)
and I never thought
1481
01:13:21,798 --> 01:13:23,366
to go to a relative
1482
01:13:24,601 --> 01:13:27,036
and tell them what
I was going through,
1483
01:13:27,036 --> 01:13:28,772
'cause I couldn't believe
1484
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:30,139
that I couldn't
talk to my parents
1485
01:13:30,139 --> 01:13:33,543
or that when I did, it
wasn't well received.
1486
01:13:33,543 --> 01:13:34,978
They, you know...
1487
01:13:36,913 --> 01:13:41,485
I just felt very lost, and
that I didn't have anybody.
1488
01:13:41,485 --> 01:13:44,253
Came back from Winnipeg
and moved to Toronto.
1489
01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:47,423
My biggest goal was
to get my children,
1490
01:13:47,423 --> 01:13:51,360
and for the first four
years I lived in Toronto
1491
01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:55,298
I lived in a room, I
didn't have an apartment
1492
01:13:55,298 --> 01:13:58,034
because then I could
save more money,
1493
01:13:58,034 --> 01:13:59,469
and I saw three
different lawyers,
1494
01:13:59,469 --> 01:14:01,204
I had lawyers telling me,
1495
01:14:01,204 --> 01:14:02,672
"Oh, you never
should've signed that.
1496
01:14:02,672 --> 01:14:04,140
"Your mother should've
known better,
1497
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:08,277
"that you were entitled to
have your own representation."
1498
01:14:08,277 --> 01:14:10,680
My mother's words
came back to haunt me.
1499
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,683
She told me, 'cause I told
her I was gonna fight.
1500
01:14:13,683 --> 01:14:16,119
I said, "If I have to
go to a lawyer, I will."
1501
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:17,821
She goes, "You'll
never have enough money
1502
01:14:17,821 --> 01:14:19,989
"to fight us for custody."
1503
01:14:19,989 --> 01:14:23,326
And those words have
haunted me forever,
1504
01:14:23,326 --> 01:14:27,631
'cause I thought, why do
they think I'm so bad?
1505
01:14:27,631 --> 01:14:30,199
Why do they think
I don't deserve
1506
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:32,135
to be a part of my child's life?
1507
01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:35,972
I didn't understand, I
still don't understand.
1508
01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:48,785
- I don't, no, I don't,
1509
01:14:48,785 --> 01:14:50,453
because I mean, we always had,
1510
01:14:50,453 --> 01:14:52,989
I don't know where that
comes from because, I don't.
1511
01:14:52,989 --> 01:14:54,323
I mean, this is kinda news to me
1512
01:14:54,323 --> 01:14:56,025
'cause I don't even
recall this at all.
1513
01:14:56,025 --> 01:14:59,128
Before this conversation,
I don't recall
1514
01:14:59,128 --> 01:15:01,164
that ever being an issue.
1515
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,644
- Yeah, again, I'm not
aware of that at all.
1516
01:15:14,644 --> 01:15:18,582
I don't recall there not
being food in the house.
1517
01:15:18,582 --> 01:15:20,584
I don't know if this is,
1518
01:15:22,051 --> 01:15:24,554
I don't know where this
is coming from, I don't.
1519
01:15:24,554 --> 01:15:27,223
I don't recall that at all.
1520
01:15:27,223 --> 01:15:30,694
I mean, what I recall,
there was always
1521
01:15:30,694 --> 01:15:32,495
the snacks that they liked.
1522
01:15:32,495 --> 01:15:33,329
I don't...
1523
01:15:55,018 --> 01:15:58,021
- Now see, again,
this is the first,
1524
01:15:58,021 --> 01:16:01,691
it's nothing he ever discussed
with me, that I recall.
1525
01:16:01,691 --> 01:16:03,927
And I mean, he lived there.
1526
01:16:03,927 --> 01:16:07,030
So why she would call
him at the resort
1527
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:11,868
to tell him there was
nothing when he lived there.
1528
01:16:11,868 --> 01:16:14,638
This is pretty confusing
for me right now
1529
01:16:14,638 --> 01:16:19,242
'cause I don't, I don't
remember anything like this.
1530
01:16:19,242 --> 01:16:22,846
I remember there were issues
where Rick and I didn't talk.
1531
01:16:22,846 --> 01:16:26,683
I don't remember this
at all, in this context.
1532
01:16:27,751 --> 01:16:29,753
I just know there were problems,
1533
01:16:29,753 --> 01:16:33,156
but I don't remember there
not being food in the house.
1534
01:16:33,156 --> 01:16:34,557
I don't remember.
1535
01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:39,462
(deep exhaling)
1536
01:16:39,462 --> 01:16:41,030
This is a bit of a,
1537
01:16:42,398 --> 01:16:45,401
I'm trying to go back
all that time ago
1538
01:16:45,401 --> 01:16:48,071
and I don't remember
any of this.
1539
01:16:48,071 --> 01:16:50,874
I don't know if this
happened after I left.
1540
01:16:50,874 --> 01:16:52,308
I don't, I don't.
1541
01:16:55,879 --> 01:16:57,380
(deep exhaling)
1542
01:16:57,380 --> 01:17:00,717
There was just so much
that was left unsaid
1543
01:17:00,717 --> 01:17:03,887
and undone, and our
children suffered.
1544
01:17:06,222 --> 01:17:09,225
I take full
responsibility for that.
1545
01:17:12,561 --> 01:17:13,396
I have,
1546
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:21,705
so much guilt, and I don't,
and I deserve the guilt.
1547
01:17:21,705 --> 01:17:23,039
It's not that I,
1548
01:17:28,712 --> 01:17:30,179
I just didn't have the skills.
1549
01:17:30,179 --> 01:17:32,782
I didn't know what to do, I
didn't know who to ask for help.
1550
01:17:32,782 --> 01:17:33,883
I didn't.
1551
01:17:33,883 --> 01:17:36,385
I just didn't know what to do.
1552
01:17:38,421 --> 01:17:40,589
- So we just finished
interviewing my mom.
1553
01:17:40,589 --> 01:17:42,625
It was like a three
hour interview,
1554
01:17:42,625 --> 01:17:44,127
and I gotta send
the footage to Chris
1555
01:17:44,127 --> 01:17:45,929
'cause he couldn't be there.
1556
01:17:45,929 --> 01:17:48,031
We covered a lot of subjects.
1557
01:17:48,031 --> 01:17:50,066
I'm sure I'm gonna have
a ton more questions
1558
01:17:50,066 --> 01:17:52,736
as I think about
how everything went,
1559
01:17:52,736 --> 01:17:57,440
but the two things that have
hit me almost right away is,
1560
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,644
that I have no idea how the
family is going to react,
1561
01:18:01,644 --> 01:18:06,649
and connected to that, that
my actions to go look for her
1562
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:08,684
and subsequently find
her are gonna have
1563
01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,054
a bigger repercussion
than I first thought.
1564
01:18:11,054 --> 01:18:13,522
This is now going to
affect a lot more lives
1565
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:17,961
than just my own, and
going on this adventure
1566
01:18:17,961 --> 01:18:21,898
is more than my curiosity
or my brother's curiosity
1567
01:18:21,898 --> 01:18:23,432
at this point.
1568
01:18:23,432 --> 01:18:25,001
I thought it was a
little bit more contained
1569
01:18:25,001 --> 01:18:26,535
than what it is.
1570
01:18:26,535 --> 01:18:30,039
I kinda just hope that it has
a happy ending for everybody,
1571
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,241
'cause I really don't
know how everybody else
1572
01:18:32,241 --> 01:18:34,543
is gonna react now that
we know where she is,
1573
01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:36,245
and if she's gonna be
1574
01:18:36,245 --> 01:18:40,249
a part of people's
lives going forward.
1575
01:18:40,249 --> 01:18:42,318
It's bigger than just me.
1576
01:18:44,387 --> 01:18:48,524
- It's really bringing out
what's your worst fear,
1577
01:18:48,524 --> 01:18:50,593
what's the worst
thing that can happen
1578
01:18:50,593 --> 01:18:53,629
if you really, really
think about it,
1579
01:18:53,629 --> 01:18:56,032
talk about it, bring
it out into the open
1580
01:18:56,032 --> 01:18:58,902
and talk to somebody about it.
1581
01:18:58,902 --> 01:19:02,271
People I've spoken to
before, in treatment,
1582
01:19:02,271 --> 01:19:06,442
have said, "I'm afraid if I
start to cry, I won't stop.
1583
01:19:07,877 --> 01:19:11,447
"I'm afraid if I get angry,
I won't be able to stop."
1584
01:19:11,447 --> 01:19:14,818
So it's that fear of
having some emotion
1585
01:19:14,818 --> 01:19:18,988
that they just are not gonna
be able to control or stop.
1586
01:19:20,456 --> 01:19:24,060
- I was thoroughly convinced
that they wouldn't find her.
1587
01:19:25,194 --> 01:19:27,063
So yeah, I was, I was
not only relieved,
1588
01:19:27,063 --> 01:19:28,731
I was happy that they found her.
1589
01:19:28,731 --> 01:19:30,199
- And I did tell him, I said,
1590
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:33,302
"If you do find her, I'll
contribute 200 dollars
1591
01:19:33,302 --> 01:19:36,205
"to the project,
or the film fund."
1592
01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:40,243
And then he called
10, 11 days later
1593
01:19:40,243 --> 01:19:42,378
and told me I had
to write a check.
1594
01:19:42,378 --> 01:19:44,147
- I always felt
something had happened
1595
01:19:44,147 --> 01:19:46,582
'because I thought we
would have heard from her,
1596
01:19:46,582 --> 01:19:48,184
you know, one way or the other.
1597
01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:49,853
- But it was a
relief, in respect,
1598
01:19:49,853 --> 01:19:50,987
because I had resigned the fact
1599
01:19:50,987 --> 01:19:52,488
that I may never see her again.
1600
01:19:52,488 --> 01:19:54,958
- Yeah, also happy to
know that he did find her,
1601
01:19:54,958 --> 01:19:56,926
and one, she was alive.
1602
01:19:56,926 --> 01:20:00,663
- First I saw her, it
was like, dead silence.
1603
01:20:02,465 --> 01:20:04,567
Just, eye to eye contact,
1604
01:20:07,871 --> 01:20:10,773
I could see the
relief on her face.
1605
01:20:12,275 --> 01:20:14,911
I didn't wanna put
her on the spot,
1606
01:20:14,911 --> 01:20:17,513
and I didn't wanna go reflective
1607
01:20:17,513 --> 01:20:20,049
on what had happened
in the past.
1608
01:20:20,049 --> 01:20:22,351
I just basically said to her,
1609
01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:25,521
"There's a lotta water
gone under the bridge.
1610
01:20:25,521 --> 01:20:28,657
"We can't turn it back,
we can only move forward."
1611
01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:32,295
- We talk about the 24 years
that we hadn't seen her,
1612
01:20:32,295 --> 01:20:34,964
and yes, she's
definitely changed,
1613
01:20:34,964 --> 01:20:36,465
but we've changed.
1614
01:20:36,465 --> 01:20:38,567
Age does a wonderful
thing for you.
1615
01:20:38,567 --> 01:20:41,938
Everything takes time,
and time heals a lot.
1616
01:20:41,938 --> 01:20:46,109
- You've gotta let a lotta
anger and personal stuff go,
1617
01:20:46,109 --> 01:20:50,213
on the grounds that, they
could maintain that anger,
1618
01:20:50,213 --> 01:20:52,581
my sister could
maintain her anger,
1619
01:20:52,581 --> 01:20:56,685
and we can go another 24
years with no contact again.
1620
01:20:56,685 --> 01:20:59,855
But I think the first 24
years has shown everybody
1621
01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:03,626
that we don't want
that to happen again.
1622
01:21:03,626 --> 01:21:06,495
It wasn't worth
it, no matter what.
1623
01:21:06,495 --> 01:21:10,166
- Probably if I'da known
she was so close by
1624
01:21:10,166 --> 01:21:12,568
when the boys were little,
1625
01:21:12,568 --> 01:21:16,039
I probably would've
tried to contact her.
1626
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,908
- Time does solve
a lot of problems,
1627
01:21:18,908 --> 01:21:22,078
because whatever problems
there were in the past,
1628
01:21:22,078 --> 01:21:25,381
they obviously don't
exist at this point.
1629
01:21:25,381 --> 01:21:26,950
- Yeah, when she came
home for Christmas
1630
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:28,517
it was a very pleasant occasion.
1631
01:21:28,517 --> 01:21:30,920
- [Carol] And we spent, well,
the best part of Christmas
1632
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,856
at her brother's, 'cause
the whole family was there.
1633
01:21:33,856 --> 01:21:35,824
- I think one of
the better aspects
1634
01:21:35,824 --> 01:21:37,560
of the getting
together at Christmas
1635
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,528
is simply the fact
that we were able
1636
01:21:39,528 --> 01:21:41,264
to do some family photographs
1637
01:21:41,264 --> 01:21:43,666
that hadn't been
done for 24 years,
1638
01:21:43,666 --> 01:21:46,469
that's including my
granddaughter in there.
1639
01:21:46,469 --> 01:21:50,139
It was a very happy moment to
meet her and see her again.
1640
01:21:50,139 --> 01:21:54,077
- So we just accomplished
being a family again.
1641
01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:58,381
- I don't feel alone anymore.
1642
01:21:59,282 --> 01:22:00,683
For me, it's overwhelming
1643
01:22:00,683 --> 01:22:02,685
'cause I've never really
counted on anybody,
1644
01:22:02,685 --> 01:22:06,522
and I, it's hard getting
used to counting on people
1645
01:22:06,522 --> 01:22:08,757
or having people there for me.
1646
01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:11,927
I'm just not used to
it, it's a new feeling.
1647
01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:13,296
(laughing)
1648
01:22:13,296 --> 01:22:15,531
I've always thought
family was important.
1649
01:22:15,531 --> 01:22:19,668
It's trying to deal with
family issues at certain times
1650
01:22:19,668 --> 01:22:21,304
and not knowing how.
1651
01:22:21,304 --> 01:22:24,573
I think if you can
overcome that, then,
1652
01:22:29,012 --> 01:22:30,613
then that's key.
1653
01:22:30,613 --> 01:22:32,881
- I give her due, I give her
all the credit in the world
1654
01:22:32,881 --> 01:22:35,018
for what she has accomplished.
1655
01:22:35,018 --> 01:22:38,454
She's done marvelous
things with herself,
1656
01:22:39,555 --> 01:22:42,992
more than I would
expect, put it that way,
1657
01:22:42,992 --> 01:22:44,393
if you wanna put it that way.
1658
01:22:44,393 --> 01:22:45,828
I would do the same for her
1659
01:22:45,828 --> 01:22:47,863
as I would do for anybody
else in the family.
1660
01:22:47,863 --> 01:22:50,966
I can support her
100%, without question.
1661
01:22:50,966 --> 01:22:52,768
I think you can achieve
anything you want
1662
01:22:52,768 --> 01:22:54,037
if you put your mind to it.
1663
01:22:54,037 --> 01:22:55,271
- If you want it bad enough.
1664
01:22:55,271 --> 01:22:57,606
- If you want it bad enough.
1665
01:22:58,541 --> 01:23:01,810
- There is love from your family
1666
01:23:01,810 --> 01:23:04,813
that members want
to share with you,
1667
01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:08,951
and it's something
that can't be done
1668
01:23:08,951 --> 01:23:10,886
when you're not around.
1669
01:23:12,288 --> 01:23:14,357
Don't ever sit back and
think that you're not loved,
1670
01:23:14,357 --> 01:23:17,060
you're not wanted,
or anything else,
1671
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:21,230
because you're wrong, like
the 24 years, you're wrong.
1672
01:23:22,598 --> 01:23:25,968
We do love you and
we do want contact.
1673
01:23:25,968 --> 01:23:29,038
(somber piano music)
1674
01:23:38,581 --> 01:23:39,815
- Well first, congratulations.
1675
01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:41,016
You've got married today.
1676
01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:42,618
It's been about a
year since we went on
1677
01:23:42,618 --> 01:23:45,454
that epic road trip
where we found our mom.
1678
01:23:45,454 --> 01:23:48,324
How has that year been
and what do you think
1679
01:23:48,324 --> 01:23:50,059
now that she's in our lives?
1680
01:23:50,059 --> 01:23:51,227
- I think it's great.
1681
01:23:51,227 --> 01:23:54,029
She's made, she's
almost fully integrated
1682
01:23:54,029 --> 01:23:55,264
back into her family.
1683
01:23:55,264 --> 01:23:58,101
She's moved back to London.
1684
01:23:58,101 --> 01:24:02,338
We talk to her almost every
day, well at least, I do.
1685
01:24:02,338 --> 01:24:06,809
Definitely have good
conversations at
least once a week.
1686
01:24:06,809 --> 01:24:09,678
It's not what I expected.
1687
01:24:09,678 --> 01:24:12,047
- Yeah, it's the
Hollywood ending,
1688
01:24:12,047 --> 01:24:14,817
and because it feels
so manufactured,
1689
01:24:14,817 --> 01:24:17,019
it almost doesn't feel real.
1690
01:24:17,019 --> 01:24:19,522
But we have this
opportunity and I think
1691
01:24:19,522 --> 01:24:21,857
for everybody watching, I think
one of the main things is,
1692
01:24:21,857 --> 01:24:23,559
this is really just
the starting point.
1693
01:24:23,559 --> 01:24:25,861
You can't just have somebody
jump back in your lives
1694
01:24:25,861 --> 01:24:27,496
and everything is good.
1695
01:24:27,496 --> 01:24:29,398
The journey is still ahead,
1696
01:24:29,398 --> 01:24:31,434
so there's still a lot to learn.
1697
01:24:31,434 --> 01:24:34,370
But what's your big takeaway
from this whole experience?
1698
01:24:34,370 --> 01:24:38,474
- I have my mom back,
someone I never had.
1699
01:24:38,474 --> 01:24:42,678
She wants to be here, she's
figuring it out as she goes,
1700
01:24:42,678 --> 01:24:44,980
just like we are,
and it's great.
1701
01:24:44,980 --> 01:24:46,549
I can't be happier.
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