All language subtitles for Becky Watts Case - Confessions of a Serial Killer - S02 EP06 - True Crime (inglés_ASR)

I'm Professor David Wilson

as a criminologist I'm often asked

what's it like to interview a murderer

interview

to answer this question I'm going to

take you on a journey

into the dark heart of the police

interrogation room

using Cutting Edge lip sync technology

will bring to life the actual tape

confessions of some of the world's most

notorious Killers I put tape on her

mouth

and bring you face to face with evil I

felt sick looking at him knowing

what he did

and along with forensic psychologist

Professor Michael Brooks I'll analyze

their interviews in unparallel detail

her skull game way a little bit

immediately the unconscious

their wicked words now seen spoken for

the very first time

will never be forgotten

so I didn't suggest to him that we kill

her on Sunday but I knew that she

I knew that she had to be gone

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in today's episode we feature the police

interviews of not one but two killers

they were a boyfriend and girlfriend who

shared dark sexual fantasies involving

the Abduction of young teenage girls

they killed as part of a Foley adur a

joint Madness compelling them to become

partners in crime

such killing couples often have a shared

sadism with perhaps Fred and Rose West

and Brady and hindley being the most

infamous murderers falling into this

category

the victim of the pair under scrutiny

today was Bristol schoolgirl Rebecca

Watts who disappeared in February 2015.

initial inquiries focused on the belief

that Becky had disappeared after leaving

the family home based on statements

given by her stepbrother and his

girlfriend who were in the house at the

time

they said they had not seen Watts but

had heard the door slam and assumed

she'd left in a teenage tantrum

suspicious about their story the police

brought the pairing for questioning

separately

over the course of two days their

stories shift and change the male as the

dominant killing partner tries to

protect the female and observe her for

any blame even refusing to have her name

mentioned however as their stories

unravel their loyalties are challenged

culminating with the bombshell discovery

of Becky's dismembered body

she'd been cut into pieces and placed in

a suitcase

it's a fascinating series of interviews

demonstrating how Killers will do

anything to avoid confronting the

realities of their crimes

who were these young lovers who ended a

life in order to satisfy their shared

sexual fantasies

Nathan Matthews and Shauna [ __ ]

in February 2015 two Bristol teenagers

were brought into patchway police

station for questioning

a 15 year old school girl called Becky

Watts had gone missing

police believe to her stepbrother Nathan

Matthews was the last person to have

seen her

statement Matthews had given at the time

of The Disappearance when the police

visited the home the family shared

didn't add up

he was about to be questioned under

caution what would unfold over the next

few days

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this interview is being

recorded at Patrick police station in

Bristol it is now Tuesday the 3rd of

March 2015 and it's exactly 12 midday

I'm DC 3302 Marie Stephen Nathan can you

give us your full name Nathan Charles

Matthews thank you and your date of

birth the night of the 1st 1987.

one of the things when you're looking at

a killer or a serial killer in

particular when you start looking back

into their lives

one of the things you identify as a

common trait

is dysfunctional family background

there's always been some kind of trauma

or there's been absent parents there's

been divorces there's been new families

joined together forced together

collectively because two adults have

decided to join those families together

so the children are sort of left there

in limbo and they're trying to obviously

get on with the new brothers and step

brothers and sisters as best he can

Nathan Matthews his mother married

Becky's father and Becky lived with her

father and Nathan's mother at a home not

far from where he grew up

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at the beginning it would appear that

Nathan was very supportive towards the

family and got on well with a

but there does seem to be suggestions of

some sexual misbehavior on his part

towards her he seems to have developed a

bit of a resentment towards Becky and I

mean you wonder whether that was down to

the fact that she wasn't complying in

his sort of world she didn't sort of

count out him in any way she didn't want

to play any of his games she didn't

enjoy it when he jumped out to frighten

her perhaps and maybe this is one of the

reasons that he he could never quite

dominate her and manipulate her and

maybe that was why he he really didn't

like her at all

had been with Nathan Matthews for six

years but it was a troubled relationship

born out of troubled personal

circumstances

she had a very disturbed childhood

she was one of eight children she was

putting care for her own protection she

some stage in her life returned to the

to her mother and then at the age of

about 14 or 15 she met Nathan who became

her boyfriend now he is a 20 year old

man she's a 14 year old girl so she's

very naive innocent he's teaches her

about sex and they get into sex in a big

way it would appear that Shauna actually

seemed to encourage him and engage him

in his fantasies they started getting

into sexual fantasies they started

getting into threesomes they started to

look at the more deep and end of the

sexual

Continuum as their fantasies evolved and

their communication and the way they

talked about what they would like to do

and so on and became more more finely

tuned and clearer then you you get to a

point where the fantasy isn't enough

anymore and so the pleasure then has to

move to reality and if you've got two

people who are reinforcing each other's

Behavior then that step can be taken I

think more easily perhaps than somebody

Who's acting alone

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they start talking about kidnapping

um Becky now a lot of people have

fantasies and they share with their

partner

but there's an element of control they

know it's fantasy it's not the real

world he has gone past that point

and it's actually starting to plan as a

serious height

at the beginning there doesn't seem to

be any suggestion of of homicide but

later on

Nathan actually acquires a kind of

murder kit he calls it kidnap kid

um handcuffs ropes things like that and

clearly to be used to kidnap her

Becky was reported

and father originally

he hadn't seen

and Shauna and

claimed that on the day of her

disappearance they had heard the door

slam but they hadn't seen her leave so

there was kind of this version of events

that Becky had gone out of the house and

she had just disappeared Into Thin Air

but when police took a look at her

belongings they found that she didn't

have her mobile phone she didn't have

her laptop her social media was inactive

and that's really unusual for a young

teenage girl to not be posting on

Facebook every few hours and actually

after a few days it became really clear

that Becky had disappeared

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foreign

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where is she I don't know where she is

she safe

but I didn't rush it so I wanted to know

do you know she's alive

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have you heard her

no I don't know

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with Nathan rested from his initial

round of questions Sean a [ __ ] was now

brought in to also be questioned under

caution in relation to The Disappearance

of Becky Watts

foreign

police station in Bristol

as Nathan had any saw concerns about

speaking to us

not that he's holding me now but if he

does I wouldn't live with them

yeah how is he finding it

and he's found it quite hard actually

yeah or again knowing how hard it'd be

for his mum at the moment

yeah because Becky was almost like her

daughter to her is there anything going

on in that house that made you worried

or concerned everything seemed normal

to anything that happened that could be

significant in The Disappearance of

Rebecca

you're absolutely sure

the interviews end up being quite

revealing because first of all you know

you have Shona who's very kind of

articulate

uh talkative but absolutely unconcerned

about Becky's disappearance she sort of

Giggles a bit and laughs a bit and makes

the sides but there's no sense of

distress or concern about the missing

Teen

um and Nathan is is pretty similar he's

very sort of controlled he's very

you know very confident in the way he's

talking

he's recycling then

music upstairs machine Becky had been in

then

um

I went

into the kitchen to get a cigarette

and went to go outside have a cigarette

my daughter started whinging she always

come up with me so I took her down to

the garden

to help feed the rabbit while I had a

cigarette

and she asked me if they had gone out

and I said yeah I heard the door go

immediately before this sound of the

door slamming what could you hear then

I heard stomping down the stairs that's

what made me think that Becky left in a

mood I assumed

I knew she was in a bit of one of her

Tantrums yeah

but the strange thing was that their

story slotted together so perfectly and

sometimes when police will interrogate

people they'll be overlaps or there'll

be bits of misinformation that just

generally happen from interviewing

Witnesses and people that are in a

pressurized situation but Shauna and

Nathan had stories so exact it seemed

really obscure to the investigators

I'm here with Professor Michael Brooks a

man who spent the majority of his

professional life talking to prisoners

in his role as a prison psychologist

how is he finding it and he's found

quite hard actually

okay it's the start of the interview

what's interesting of course it's one of

those two-handers

Shawna [ __ ] is being interviewed

separately from Nathan Matthews about

Becky Watts's murder and they're both

asked roughly the same question is there

any reason why you wouldn't get on with

Becky and of course they come up with

something Anodyne about

Becky leaves her clothes lying about the

floor and is therefore showing

disrespect to

um to their mother and that may well be

the case because

the motivating factor behind

killing Becky may not have been domestic

circumstances there may have been other

reasons particularly sort of sexual

deviancy on the part of Nathan and

Shauna and that was the the contributor

factor which caused to them killing

Becky and so if there's nothing in the

home circumstances we're on to the uh

what might be sexually driving their

behavior Nathan Matthews is seven years

older than Shauna indeed he meets Shauna

when she's just 14. he clearly is

sexually attracted to younger women and

clearly Becky Watts his stepsister fits

the age range that he's interested in

and there must have been some

pre-planning about they both knew they

were going to be taking down the police

station they both knew that they were

going to be interviewed about what

happened to Becky they must have

discussed that with each other and come

up with some tactics that eventually are

going to unravel but they must have

discussed that prior to going to the

police station well they may have done

but once you're in that police station

and separated then there's a whole set

of different dynamics that come into

play

while Shauna is being interviewed the

pressure begins to get to Nathan and he

wants to give another statement this

time written

this is a technique used by the police

they separate suspected accomplices to a

crime and the knowledge that their

partner is being interviewed and perhaps

telling the truth is a catalyst for the

other to change their story

I had developed an idea to scare Rebecca

by kidnapping her

I wanted to kidnap her to teach her a

lesson

during a short struggle my mask slipped

and Rebecca was able to see my face

this caused me to panic and I strangled

very helpfully I

and statements

what we would like to do now if Nathan

is for that to be told on the it to be

recorded so I have to actually listen to

it and I put my fingers in my ears

thank you

armed with Nathan's new statement the

detectives questioned Shauna again

he says that he killed Becky whilst he

was at the address on the state okay

what's your knowledge of him killing

Becky

I found out yesterday morning he found

out yesterday morning

um prior to that I had no idea

that he had any movement in

anything at all

how do we know you weren't involved in

the killing of Becky

please

there would be no proof

I haven't

touched anything

or been anywhere

near her alive or dead

can you tell me then Nathan because if

we work through what you told us in this

written statement

this

um idea that you

was I don't know

you're gonna have to are you gonna have

to read that statement

I don't want that to be read

to someone

hmm

once Nathan had made a statement to the

police and that was taken down in

writing and then when the police went

back to him to reinterview him and read

back the statement he went into denial

and it's very typical of

immature Killers to want to do this to

go into denial the donor here the words

the foul Deeds have done they've done it

they've told the police that's it gone

they just want to leave it what strikes

me on watching Matthew's behavior is

here is a young man who is clearly out

of his depth

and he is distraught and he is

physically doubled over in

um he's tearful he's making fragmentary

statements his behavior is someone who

cannot cope he has failed to cope

completely in this situation he doesn't

know what to do he does not have the

skills necessary to even respond

coherently

I don't want that to be read

someone

what do you make of that so this is the

bit where fantasy moves to reality and

the difficulty of coping then with

reality

and that's a bit where he starts

becoming emotionally disturbing to him

realizing what he did

and the beginning when he's holding his

hands over his ears he literally doesn't

want to hear the information it's too

much for him and yet he's the one that

is older than seanahor he's the one that

would be the dominant do you think will

we have to start working through or what

was the fantasy

who and who is responsible for enacting

the the fantasy was it shared was it

joint was it um from from Nathan was it

from Shona and those are the things that

you you'd want to explore but certainly

that there is a vulnerability about him

as well as a dominance and sometimes

that's quite often the case that people

may present with a very hard exterior

but actually underneath they're quite

fragile and so what you're finding now

is the fragility of the individual

coming out even though he may well have

been the dominant person and instigating

the uh attack and assault and

kidnapping and murder

Nathan Matthews and Shauna [ __ ] have

both now had an opportunity to present

to the police their version of events

regarding The Disappearance of Becky

Watts

killing couples nearly always collude in

the planning execution and aftermath of

their crimes to ensure that they get

their story straight

however the seasoned police officers

interviewing them are already finding

disparities that are of concern and

other behavioral issues that raise

suspicion

Matthew's refusal to hear his own

written statement is classic denialist

Behavior as are his frequent histrionics

and tears

horse flat effect and nonchalance are

extraordinary and for me she is the more

controlled of the couple and the more

dangerous for it which perhaps also

hints at who may have been the dominant

partner in this killing couple

but as the interviews progress It's the

discovery of Becky's mutilated body that

brings about a seismic shift in the

interview room Nathan's claims were that

at home Becky's attitudes towards Angie

his mother had really started to get on

his nerves that she was ungrateful and

that she was rude to her and he said

that what he had eventually

concocted up was a way to teach her a

lesson and to teach her to be a little

bit more grateful towards the people in

her life particularly Angie what he had

decided he was going to do was he was

going to scare her and he said all he

had meant to do was to go into her room

and he was going to get her to fold up

into a suitcase and he would drive her

out to the woods and tell her things

like you should be more grateful for the

people in your life and you should not

treat people so badly and his claims

were that he was going to leave her

there and then when she came home she

would hopefully be scared into behaving

maybe a little bit better towards her

family

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how about if we start with

this idea you had about scaring Becky

tell me about how that started up then

how you got that idea

I don't know if it was on TV

something like that but obviously

I had a couple of Dreams

about the idea that you got and you said

it might have been something on TV or

you had a dream

well also I came up with the idea to

scare her because like to try and

basically make her more appreciative of

life so she'd be more appreciative

okay

so tell me what you thought you were

gonna do

what your plan was

you stick them in the suitcase

obviously um

obviously put tape around your mouth so

she wouldn't make any noise obviously

got her in the car to make up some up to

say to say to Shauna

um I'm sorry to leave like to help

someone to do something or somewhere and

obviously like scaring

you know save

some long length of you know you've got

to start treating people

um start treating people better you know

not being a [ __ ] I come up with the

idea to scare her

let's deal with the defense

um he basically is suggesting that the

plan was to kidnap and frighten Becky

because of seemingly the disrespect that

she shows to their mother by leaving her

clothes about the floor and not picking

them up and being tidy the intention was

never to kill her the intention was to

kidnap and frighten her do you buy that

in any way shape or form

well we have to remember that an

interview is a process so you start

where the person is and that is it sort

of not accepting any sort of

responsibility saying actually they're a

nice happy family there's no reason why

um

we should fall out with um with Becky

other than that she's disrespectful and

now you've moved it on slightly or the

interviewers moved it on slightly in

which there there's an acknowledgment of

some things that happened but they can't

yet accept fully what's happened and so

that takes time to get there we hear

this so often of

um a killer trying to rationalize his

behavior by blaming the victim we've got

classic victim blaming here where he's

saying that Rebecca was in the house

causing problems for his mother

causing family disputes and things like

that

still doesn't justify killing her if

it's got any justification it should

have been the Big Brother given her

advice and everything else because she's

a tarsome teenager but we see time time

again

Killers using uh victim blaming

techniques

has he ever

known anyone nor have you seen him go on

any websites or anything at all I mean

where does this come from

I have no idea but he's never mentioned

kidnapping somebody

or

killing so again I'm not sure

if he's just kind of lost his marbles or

if

deeply Disturbed without anybody knowing

I suppose the question is

why Becky

again I knew they didn't particularly

like each other

I wouldn't say they hated each other and

yeah I didn't always like Becky but she

was a nice enough girl

she was so young

I'm a kidnapping fantasies are all about

control it's about taking someone's

Liberty and having them entirely within

your own control you control

well you control whether they live or

die ultimately and actually

kidnapping fantasies especially in terms

in sexual in terms of sexual violence

are really quite quite common and it is

about it's about that objectification of

the person who's been kidnapped it's

taking away their voice entirely and

they just become a

a part in the offender's narrative

Perhaps Perhaps as an element

of Truth in him

um not wishing to kill Becky but

um perhaps there was a point at which he

panicked and him wanting to render Becky

unconscious maybe maybe he thought it

would be better at that point to to um

to kill her but really I mean that's

academic

um Nathan Matthews murdered Becky watts

and that's that's the end of it

the reality of what happened to Becky

was much different

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Becky was upstairs in her room Nathan

came in

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there seems to have been some sort of a

struggle

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he had panicked and he had begun to

strangle her until she lost

consciousness

Jesus

questions

he put her in his car and drove it to

his home a few miles away and it seems

as though something happened in the

bathroom at Nathan's home because when

police scanned it it was Immaculate

there was no DNA on the bathtub and the

house was in this state of disarray

there was stuff everywhere it was untidy

it was unclean

but when police looked at the bathtub it

was gleaming there was no DNA of Shauna

and there was no DNA of Nathan let alone

any DNA of Becky and this just seemed

really out of place to them now Nathan

had spent some time in the Army himself

and so he was very very thorough in

cleaning up the bathroom this was him

employing the decontamination skills

that he had learned in the army

there's footage of him going into a DIY

store and purchasing a circular saw

which ultimately he used to cut up and

dismember Becky's body

he had now just got a body this wasn't

an individual this wasn't Becky this was

somebody who no longer was a human being

in his own mind it was an object which

is completely and utterly wrong but that

to his own mind was what she was that's

what she'd become and he needed to get

rid of it now for somebody to be able to

sadistically do this and couldn't

dismember a body up you have to be cold

you have to be calculating and you have

to be devoid of any emotion almost

Psychopathic without any shadow of a

doubt

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they had cut her body up and put her

into tiny packages they had then roped

friends in to holding on to these

packages and the friend knew they were

holding on to something

potentially illegal and they claim they

had no idea that what they were holding

on to or actually Becky's remains

after they had killed her apparently

they they got went out and got a meal

and played some sort of song from a film

about how do you dispose of a body that

that shows a kind of disturbing level of

cynical disregard which is one of the

characteristics of someone who has

failed to develop a conscience

foreign

Becky's remains and when they found them

they found them discarded in a shed

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Nathan Matthews capitulates under

pressure and reveals the details of how

Becky died yet he's still unable to

admit to her murder his appalling

justifications for the crime claiming it

was his duty to scare her and teach her

a lesson for disrespecting his mother

suggests a high level of resentment

towards the young girl however once

again it's [ __ ] interview that

intrigues her continued attempts at

Deception and denial even willing to use

her unborn twin children as a pawn in

the game she's playing with the police

suggests she was far more complicit in

the crime and far more determined to

save her own skin than her boyfriend

Matthews

but the police evidence against the

couple is stacking up and it's gradually

being fed into the interview room

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we have to investigate this whole event

and of course whilst you're being

interviewed sure

yeah

so you don't want to

okay

oh she said something about

um

something about Shawna can you rephrase

it

so we can include basically

everybody in it and not use her name

it's very difficult to understand the

mechanics of their relationship because

he he does seem to want to keep her out

of uh culpability for this horrific

crime

maybe that's part of some deal that they

had maybe he he was he was in awe of her

he was he was terrified he would lose

her affection but he really does try

quite hard to keep her out of it to the

extent that he can't even bear to hear

her name mentioned during the interview

which sort of seems quite extraordinary

once the confession had been made

shoulder was relieved and she just

wanted to make sure that she was all

right and her children were going to be

all right so she actually went forward

and said this was all Nathan's fault I'm

innocent this has nothing to do with me

I'm just a victim as well if you like so

she went into open Flow really about

Nathan's guilt to defend herself and

protect herself

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just so and clear as far as the kidnap's

concerned you are not aware that Nathan

was planning to do that in that day okay

how do I know that you weren't involved

again I shouldn't have any DNA reason to

be involved in again

especially with my past to think that I

could

allow

him to come to somebody else like that

is highly unlikely

and again the fact that as far as I knew

he was you know changing he wasn't as

violent anymore

all right

take a moment that's right

I felt sick looking at him no one

what he did

and the fact that we've got a little

girl herself

I'm carrying his unborn children

I feel sick knowing what he did

the idea that

he then because she begins to try and

responsibilize him and downplay any part

that she might have had in Becky's

murder and yet she's pregnant with his

two unborn children

so so what she's trying to say is that

he's totally responsible for what

happened and I'm not

she's very quick to kind of um cut him

loose despite the fact that he um has

been trying fairly hard to sort of

protect her which kind of does suggest

in a way that she was perhaps more

proactive in the relationship than

um some people might think looking in

although he he may have had pedophile

Tendencies and and was a clearly

sexually deviant character

what was her engagement in all this I

mean she seems to be fairly proactive

and fairly

um responsible for the Dynamics there

what we have to do is look at the

interaction and it's quite complex so in

some respects in certain respects they

were probably both dominant but what

what we need to look at is that what

happens when they come together and that

destructive

um you know pair they made so they

really reinforced each other and while

in some elements

um one may have been dominant over the

other I think it was the way they acted

together where they reinforced each

other's Behavior the way they fueled

each other it was all about around

negativity

um and and you know destructive sexual

fantasies and and it was really just the

perfect storm they were they were the

perfect couple in that respect

by this time the police had gained

access to the couple's phones a number

of messages shared between them shared

new light on the dark nature of their

relationship

so the first message is a 9th of 12th

2014 timed at 12 48 and it says to

Shauna and um it says

you bring me back to pretty schoolgirls

then

the one I think that says tell me about

that text message can you comment

next message is 9th of December 2014 at

1814. it says from Shauna

just went to Cost Cutters and saw a very

big cats pretty pretty girl almost

knocked her out to bring her home l-o-l

and there's crosses and zeros

Sean what can you tell me about that new

comment

am I right in thinking that this girl

was similar to Becca's Aid no comment

have you seen a 16 year old girl outside

the supermarket and sent a text message

to Nathan saying I've seen this girl

outside the supermarket and I want to

bash her on the head

and that in itself was incriminating

thereafter the police said to her

how can you justify or explain this

and suddenly she wasn't as talkative

suddenly she went into no comment no

comment no comment and she wasn't

helpful at all

almost knocked her out to bring her home

Shauna what can you tell me about that

who come in

well I I think those

Clips give us quite a bit of information

don't they they do in terms of her

engagement in the process in terms of

her wanting to pick up and sort of

sexually abuse to some extent young

girls

the extent to which it's going to be a

joint Enterprise between her and and

Nathan

and sort of on both sides not wanting to

comment any further not to implicate

themselves any further given the

information that the police already have

when I suspect it's been very helpful in

the police investigation and answering

answering all the interview questions

and pointing them in the right direction

and being open and honest and truthful

as best he can when they suddenly stop

when they're confronted with something

that's not showing them in a good light

and start going no comment

Dutchman the alarm Bells start to ring

and it's normally a classic sign of

somebody's guilt I think Sean was

certainly complicit in the planning of

the Abduction of Becky

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can you say you whether Shauna wanted

Becky dead

um I I don't think

I don't think you can even say that

Nathan wanted Becky dead

she's certainly responsible

to a large degree for the death of Becky

Watts

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um

protected by Nathan Shauna continued to

maintain that Nathan had acted

independently of her and that she had no

knowledge of the crime detectives

however were convinced that she had been

present and had been instrumental in the

plan to harm Becky

foreign

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as the interviews draw to a close and

the evidence mounts both Matthews and

[ __ ] shift from being talkative and

informative to silent an uncommunicative

they both turn into the classic no

comment Killers the evidence is

insurmountable and their lies will be

listened to no more I've seen this

happen time and time again

the police interviews would play a

crucial role at their trials

Matthews would be found guilty of murder

and [ __ ] the Lesser charge of

manslaughter but anyone in any doubt

about the role she played in the crime

she consider the shocking text messages

she exchanged with Matthews that were

read out to her during the police

interviews

they are a stark reminder that killing

couples were shared fantasies will

always continue to find each other and

find a way to unleash their dark

sadistic Passions

thank you

this is an illustration I think of the

malignancy that can grow

from co-conspirators

who began to plot

and who have a kind of moral vacuity

I think when you look at cases similar

to this and you look at how a couple get

together how they are thrown together by

the universe and they feed off each

other's deviant Behavior they actually

get a thrill from that and it's almost

like two worlds colliding it's two minds

looking at something in a very negative

way not a positive way in a negative way

that they want to fuel their own desires

so it's a bit narcissistic for the both

of them really and that's what happened

in this case these particular people

these two people were as bad as each

other there's no doubt about it but

ultimately had they not been caught

because they'd already tasted the kill

if you like they'd reached at Euphoria

of killing and getting away with it if

they hadn't got away with it undoubtedly

they would have continued and there'd be

more victims it's quite possible that

she may have become a procure for him

and that it might have escalated and

they may have the victims if they had

gotten away with this and I don't know

if that's the case you could make the

counter argument that Becky

he solved his problem by killing Becky

and I've often heard murderers

effectively say that

they had one victim that was a nemesis

when that person was killed their

problem was solved

simple as that

I think I tend to subscribe to more to

that than any other more malignant

potential and yeah

some person of girl

so the idea that somehow

women are always nurturing and caring

and men are always sadistic and brutal

these are caricatures of gender but it

becomes such more complex in these joint

relationships if we take Ian Brady and

Mara hinley if we take Fred and Rose

West

in which the women become actively

engaged in the process whatever it

started off

um that they sort of

gets assumed within it and become active

players

whenever I'm asked that I know that the

next question should be if Myra hindley

had never met Ian Brady if Rose West had

never married Fred West if Sean a [ __ ]

had never met Nathan Matthews would any

of those women have ended up committing

murder and that we all never know

the murder of Becky Watts remains one of

the most chilling and senseless in

recent memory the police interviews of

Nathan Matthews and Shauna [ __ ] are a

prime example of how excellent police

work and interrogation techniques leads

to the truth no matter how solid the

union that exists between the killing

couple

Nathan Matthews is now serving a life

term for murder shown a [ __ ] 17 years

from manslaughter

they're no longer a couple

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