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Man 1: You hear that? Actually,
I'm turning down, fuckers.
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- Man 2: Holy shit!
- Man 3: Wow.
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- Man 2: That's a first.
- Man 4: He didn't really do it.
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Man 1: I didn't really do it.
Yeah, I just said it, yeah.
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Man 4: He's got that fake knob.
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Man 1: I just gave it the eye.
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Man 2: Do one of those.
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The creative input
of these session guys
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cannot be overstated.
It can't be overstated.
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Wait, Waddy's still
getting dressed.
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I guess so.
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I guess he can't get
that bracelet on again.
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He's not, he's on the phone.
I saw him when he went down.
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He's probably freaking out.
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Eventually,
he will reveal himself.
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- All will be revealed.
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Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of.
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Yeah.
In the early '70s,
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you couldn't pick up
an album with the liner notes
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without seeing
these guys' names.
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Where were you? What does
it take to put on a shirt?
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- Fuck off.
- Yeah, fuck you, too.
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Everybody face--
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There's nobody anywhere,
who I would respect
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what they have to say
about rock and roll,
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more than these four guys. Nobody.
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This builds up the anticipation.
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Announcer 1: And now ladies
and gentlemen,
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please put your hands together
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and welcome to the stage,
The Immediate Family.
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Have fun, guys,
see you later.
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One of the things
they say, which is hysterical
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but true, is they say,
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"We're the best
cover band alive."
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And all the covers
they're playing
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are all the hit songs
that they produced or wrote.
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I have over a hundred
golden platinum records
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and they've probably played
on 95 percent of 'em.
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Just to give you a number.
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♪ And don't you know
Don't you know ♪
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♪ She's got
To be somebody's baby ♪
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♪ Poor, poor, pitiful me ♪
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♪ All she wants to
Do is dance ♪
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♪ Ooh, I hear laughter
In the rain ♪
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♪ Walking hand in hand
With the one ♪
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♪ Oh, Mexico ♪
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♪ It sounds so sweet
With the sun sinking low ♪
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♪ The moon so bright
Like the light ♪
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♪ Send lawyers,
Guns and money ♪
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♪ This shit has hit the fan ♪
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♪ I feel the sky tumbling down
A-tumbling down ♪
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♪ A-tumbling down
A-tumbling down ♪
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♪ A-tumbling down
tumbling down ♪
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In the late '50s,
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it was all
about the face and the image.
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Cut a track and put that face
and image on a record.
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Especially
in the first part of the '60s,
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not a lot of people were
writing their own material.
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And you would record material
written by other people
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and the record companies
often had a lot to say
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about what songs
an artist recorded.
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♪ There's a lot
Of things I want ♪
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1965 was much more
a year of the Brill Building.
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I think of all the great songs
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that came out
of all that great writing
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from just those writers
that didn't go on to be artists.
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They would give
the songs to the artists
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and then they had this group
of musicians
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who were this mainstay
of the time,
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called, "The Wrecking Crew."
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Very seasoned,
well-read musicians.
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They would go in and cut
three or four songs in a session
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and those would go on to become
the pop hits of the day.
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The only thing
that's constant
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in art is change.
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The Wrecking Crew,
it had its time
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and its time passed.
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In the late '60s
and early '70s,
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the singer-songwriter began
to emerge.
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People writing
their own material,
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recording their own material,
having a little more control
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over what happened
in the studio.
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In a way,
these new independent players
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that were brought in
by new artists like Carole King
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in those days, in a way,
the baton was handed to them.
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Russ Kunkel, Lee Sklar,
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Danny Kortchmar, Waddy.
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And they weren't...
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the most famous players
in the world.
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They were just musicians
we knew
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and they gradually became
legendary session musicians.
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I would buy records,
just 'cause they were on it.
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I didn't know the music
until I'd bought the record,
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because they were on it
and then I heard it.
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It was so great.
I said, "Okay, I'm done."
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"I'm done."
- "I'll be in the hotel."
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That'll work,
that'll work.
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"I'll be drinking champagne
the rest of the night.
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- Thank you very much."
Yeah, absolutely.
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- That's one of the things
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about this is that
we got to meet and play
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with our heroes.
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- Yeah.
Can you believe it?
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- Yeah.
I can't play--
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I'm still in shock
that I got to play
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with some
of the people I idolized.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
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And this is a big part
of doing this for me, you know?
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Ten, 9, 8, 7...
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♪ There's something
wrong here ♪
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♪ There can be no denying ♪
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♪ One of us is changing ♪
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♪ Or maybe We've
Just stopped trying ♪
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♪ And it's too late, baby, now
It's too late ♪
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I'm born in New York City
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and I grew up in the suburbs,
Westchester County.
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When I was ten years old,
my mother bought me
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a Stella guitar
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and she thought I would look
cute with a guitar.
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So I took the thing,
and I banged on it,
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and I took a few lessons,
and I struggled with it,
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and hated it,
and everything like that.
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And rock and roll hit
around '52.
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The first time
I heard Elvis Presley,
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I couldn't believe my ears.
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That was the greatest thing
I ever heard in my life.
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Elvis, and Little Richard,
and Fats Domino,
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it just really spoke to me.
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My parents hated it, of course,
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as a lot of parents did
at the time, but I loved it.
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And I felt that that was like
the direction I was gonna go in.
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What really happened was
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when I learned the three chords
with which you could play
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every rock and roll song,
that's when the heavens parted
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and that's when I realized,
"Man, this is it."
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At the airport...
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I was really
into soul music and blues
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and the Beatles,
they suggested a path
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where you could translate R&B
and soul music
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into a guitar combo.
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As opposed to horns, B3 organ,
background singers.
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Create a band
that was all guitars,
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but play the same kind
of music that I loved.
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Every summer my family,
right after school was out,
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we'd get in the car and drive
up to Martha's Vineyard
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and spend
the whole summer up there.
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And that's where I met James,
was up there.
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And both of us were just kind
of lollygagging around
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the porch of the
Menemsha store.
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And he and I started hanging out
just as pals.
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Kootch and I met there
and started hanging out.
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I was 13, I think, when we met.
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James and I used to get
around on Martha's Vineyard
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by hitchhiking,
like all us kids did, you know?
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At one point,
we're walking down the street,
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trying to get a ride.
He just starts singing.
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And he starts singing
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Ray Charles'
"Hallelujah I Love Her So."
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♪ Let me tell you
about a girl I know ♪
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Wow, this guy can sing.
I mean, he can really sing.
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And I was astonished.
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Him and I used to sit around
and play folk music and blues,
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a lot of blues.
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♪ Well, it's something in
The way she moves ♪
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♪ Or looks my way ♪
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And by the time
he was 16 or 17,
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he was starting to write songs.
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♪ That seems to leave
This troubled world behind ♪
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I always wanted
to be a rock and roll star,
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but I wanted to be in a band.
I didn't want it to be just me.
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I wanted to be in a hit band
and so did everyone.
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I didn't want
to be a solo artist.
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It's too lonely.
Too much work.
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Too much responsibility.
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Too much responsibility.
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It was never
even really a concept, really.
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You know,
you come up playing in bands,
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you figure you want your band
to be the one that makes it.
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- And you're part of this...
- That's right.
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...you know,
machine that works.
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♪ We're back in Chicago
On a rainy day ♪
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Well, the King Bees was first.
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That was the first band
I started
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as soon as
I graduated high school.
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♪ All day and night this cat
Just sat around and blew ♪
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When we came
to tour America,
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somebody would organize
a Peter and Gordon backup band.
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Somebody supplied us
with or introduced us
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to the King Bees.
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And of course, Danny.
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And we also
became close personal friends.
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The King Bees, shortly
after that, kind of sank.
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'Cause we couldn't get arrested,
we couldn't get anything going.
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But I was fortunate enough
to continue a relationship
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with my pal, Peter Asher.
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In 1966,
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Kootch encouraged me
to come down to New York.
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And he stayed
with me in my place
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and ended up getting
his own place.
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And we started a band, you know?
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And the band
was The Flying Machine.
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♪ I'm a night owl, honey
Sleep all day long ♪
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I actually wanted to call it,
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"The James Taylor Band."
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But he didn't want to stick
his neck out that far.
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♪ Now most folks they
Like the good day time ♪
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♪ They like
To see the shining sun ♪
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We did really well
at the Night Owl Cafe
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down there in the village.
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And we played there for,
I don't know, almost a year.
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One night,
Buffalo Springfield came in.
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Our jaws hit the floor.
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We couldn't believe
what we were hearing.
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It was so good.
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So much so
that our bass player said,
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"Well, we're never
gonna be that good.
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We might as well quit."
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And when that band broke up,
James decided
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that he was gonna
go try his luck in London.
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So, I gave him Peter Asher's
phone number and address.
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And as luck
would have it,
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Peter had just accepted
a position
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at the Beatles' new label,
Apple Records.
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It was just perfect timing,
you know?
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James essentially
called me up out of the blue,
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played me a demo tape
he'd made in London.
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I said to him,
"I think this is brilliant.
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You know,
I love your guitar playing.
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I love your singing.
I love your songs.
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Would you like a record deal?"
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And he said,
"Yes, please, I'd love one."
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And that was kind of it.
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I'd really run out
of gas in New York City.
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It was not a friendly environment.
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Freezing cold.
I remember walking down,
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trying to get back to my pad,
walking down the street.
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It's snowing. I'm carrying
an amp and a guitar,
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and I can't get a cab,
and I'm freezing my ass off.
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When I was offered
a gig to go out to LA,
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I said, "Sure," you know,
a band called Clear Light.
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They needed
a new guitar player right away,
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and auditioned for them
and got the gig.
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And away we went.
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When I first moved out there,
I lived in Laurel Canyon.
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And everyone was dressed
wearing fringe jackets
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And groovy hats.
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And I dug it immediately.
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One of the first people I met
when I moved out here
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was David Crosby.
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And then I met Stills
after that,
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and everyone was coming by.
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That's where I met Jackson,
and Joni Mitchell came by.
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And I realized
that I'd walked into
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what was
a terrific music community.
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Now, right down the road on
Wonderland Avenue was Carole.
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She was living there
with her daughters
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and with Charlie,
Charlie Larkey.
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And so I always used
to go down there,
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'cause I loved Carole so much,
and I wanted to work
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on her music.
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And we all grew together
at that point.
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I'd like to invite
a very good friend of mine
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to be on TV with me,
Mr. Danny Kootch.
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James and I made
one album for Apple.
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Apple was falling apart.
So I sat down with Joe Smith
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to make a deal
with Warner Brothers.
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I moved here in 1970
to Los Angeles
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in order to get a band together
for those sessions.
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We knew we wanted Danny.
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I met Carole through Kootch
and asked her
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if she would consider playing
on James' record.
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I was looking
for a drummer and found Russ.
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I was playing
with a man named John Stewart.
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Peter came and listened
to me play and hired me
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for the Sweet Baby Jamesalbum.
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John Stewart never quite
forgave me, to be honest.
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He would laughingly, you know,
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accuse me
of stealing his drummer,
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but there
was a little edge to it.
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And 'cause I sort of did.
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And I remember Russ
would always like,
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at that time,
he would show up early,
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you know,
set up his own drums himself.
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And when I got there
for the very first session,
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he was already all set up
and polishing his cymbals
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and you know, it was
a new experience for all of us.
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♪ Flying machines
In pieces on the ground ♪
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♪ Whoa, I've seen fire
And I've seen rain ♪
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The first time I saw him play,
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I was astonished
that he could have this dynamic.
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He'd play this really quiet,
solid, but quiet,
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and then have
these big toms happen
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and punctuate the song.
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♪ I thought I'd see you
One more time again ♪
295
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♪ There's just a few
Things coming ♪
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♪ my way this time around ♪
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My older brother, he's the one
that got me started.
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He had a band
that rehearsed in the house.
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One day he just sat me
on his knee
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and put the sticks in my hand
and you know,
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moved my hands around
and I was bit.
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I joined the orchestra
in the fifth grade.
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I would just start riffing
on the snare drum, you know,
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kind of imitating Gene Krupa.
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Poorly. And I was probably told
more than once to not do that,
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'cause it was disrupting
the class,
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and I did it one more time,
extra loud, and that was it,
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you know, I was ejected
from the fifth-grade orchestra.
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♪ And settled in
its ways here ♪
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♪ Oh, but California ♪
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I was living
in Southern California.
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I was in various
different bands
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and we played surf music,
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'cause that was really big,
you know, in the '60s.
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Hugely influenced by
The Beatles
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because no one had ever heard
anything like that before.
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But I just had
this feeling that,
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"Wow, that is so different
than anything
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that I've ever heard.
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That means
that if they can do that,
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maybe I can be part
of something like that, too."
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The summer of my 11th grade,
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the moment that I decided
that I wanted to be a musician
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and nothing else.
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My mom
was very supportive of that.
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We didn't have a lot of money.
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So, that summer,
she said to me, she said,
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"You know, Russ, you're gonna
have to get a job this summer."
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A block away,
there was a Signal gas station.
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I got a job there
for the summer.
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And you know,
at the end of the workday,
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your hands are absolutely black
and it's summer
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and you've sweated
your ass off the whole day.
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And at that moment,
when I finished my last day,
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I said, "That's it.
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I'm gonna do this music thing,
'cause I ain't doing that."
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I came to Hollywood
with a band,
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that I was in Long Beach,
called Things to Come.
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We were the opening act
to the Whiskey a Go Go
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for 19 weeks.
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Somebody told me that I had
to hear this kid drummer
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from this little band,
down on the coast.
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And I said, "Sure."
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And it was the Things to Come.
The band sucked.
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And Russell
was fucking glorious.
346
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Like most bands do,
they have a shelf life.
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Musicians
are constantly unemployed
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until you get your next gig.
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My wife, Leah,
was gonna have a baby.
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And so, I needed to get busy.
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That's when I decided
I'm gonna try to do this,
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be a session musician thing.
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Any time I went
and did a session,
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one of my goals was
to find out what's needed
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and wanted
from the artist or the producer
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to create a situation where,
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hopefully,
they would hire me back.
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So, I never had an attitude
that I didn't care,
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it was my way or the highway.
I wanted to please them.
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My main goal
was to not get fired.
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♪ There is a young cowboy
who lives on the range ♪
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All of us met
over at Peter Asher's pad
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in his living room.
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The first time
I met Danny Kortchmar,
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I was sitting,
playing acoustic guitar.
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And I put my drum set up
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and we rehearsed the songs
for Sweet Baby James.
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We rehearsed
that in the afternoon
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and went in the studio
at night and did the songs.
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We were relying to some degree
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on the creativity
of the musicians.
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Peter expected all of us
to think like producers.
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In other words,
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we were supposed to play stuff
that was gonna help the record.
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You know, what
Kootch contributes or Russ,
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00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,151
that can take it
in its own direction.
377
00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:48,415
And then from there, everything,
the dominoes started to fall.
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♪ Country road ♪
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I was 15
and I was heavily influenced
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by James Taylor.
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He had impacted me
in that I'd learned
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everything I could off
the record.
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And I remember
getting the record
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and just playing it over,
and over, and over again.
385
00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:09,088
I mean,
James was like the catalyst
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for this new movement in music.
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00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:14,310
Once he got on the cover
ofTime Magazine, yeah.
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00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:15,920
Yeah, it changed dramatically.
389
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,661
Right, James
became this huge star.
390
00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:19,054
I don't think any of us,
you know,
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we weren't
sitting around, going,
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"Oh, it's gonna be huge.
Oh, it's gonna be-- "
393
00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:23,624
- We didn't think like that.
It ain't like that,
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You know, "That's a good song.
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The next one,
that's a good song, too.
396
00:18:27,584 --> 00:18:29,456
That's not such a good song.
But that one is a good song."
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00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,197
That's all we thought
about at the moment.
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00:18:31,545 --> 00:18:32,981
You know,
we don't sit around thinking
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about "We're going to be a star.
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This guy's gonna be
a huge star."
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00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:38,291
I think we were
just kind of being quiet,
402
00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:40,075
so no one yanked us
out of the position
403
00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:41,555
- that we were already in.
[chuckles] Good point.
404
00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:42,904
- Good point.
Exactly.
405
00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:45,254
- Keep it on the low down.
- Shh.
406
00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:47,169
After the record
became very successful,
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00:18:47,343 --> 00:18:49,040
I wanted to get
the whole band who played
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on the record to come
and play the Troubadour.
409
00:18:53,784 --> 00:18:55,960
Right, now I'd like
to bring out some other people
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00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:57,832
to help me out a little bit.
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Mr. Russell Kunkel
and Mr. Leland Sklar.
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I mean, for me,
meeting all you guys,
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I came in slightly after
the fact that, you know,
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that album had been cut
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and the gig at the Troubadour
had been booked to do.
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00:19:13,543 --> 00:19:16,894
And I met James
at our Wolfgang rehearsal.
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00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:20,550
John Fischbach, he was just
a friend of the band.
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00:19:20,724 --> 00:19:22,204
One of our rehearsals,
he brought a friend
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of his along with him...
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who turned out
to be James Taylor.
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'Cause I distinctly
remember him calling me,
422
00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:31,518
telling me that he found,
423
00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,084
you know,
the bass player of his dreams.
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00:19:33,346 --> 00:19:35,304
They tracked me down
and they asked me
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if I would play
this gig with them.
426
00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:38,351
And I said, "Oh, I'd love to."
427
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,180
And that was where I met
Kootch for the first time
428
00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,703
and I met Russ.
429
00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,531
I was playing one show
with the guy,
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00:19:44,705 --> 00:19:46,533
I was still in college,
and next thing I know,
431
00:19:46,707 --> 00:19:48,448
it turned into 50 plus years.
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♪ I see you smile at me ♪
433
00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:17,041
♪ No one can tell me
That I'm doing wrong ♪
434
00:20:17,346 --> 00:20:20,784
Leland who?
435
00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,699
♪ Whenever I see
Your smiling face my way ♪
436
00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:26,660
And you know,
Lee, I mean, the way he plays,
437
00:20:26,834 --> 00:20:30,446
it's like he literally makes
love to the bass.
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00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:37,148
So Leland is one
of the greatest examples,
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00:20:37,323 --> 00:20:39,890
ever, of living in two worlds.
440
00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:42,284
Leland Sklar
is a genius bass player.
441
00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:43,677
Listen to "Doctor My Eyes."
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00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:45,940
Then go listen
to all my TV bullshit
443
00:20:46,114 --> 00:20:49,117
and he would come
in and read his butt off
444
00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,075
and play his butt off.
445
00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:54,949
And then be able to go out
on the road and be authentic.
446
00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,141
My earliest memories
about music
447
00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:14,969
really were The Liberace Show.
448
00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,198
My parents, they were
big fans of Liberace.
449
00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,158
I was about four years old
450
00:21:30,811 --> 00:21:32,203
and I'd sneak around the corner
while they were watching it
451
00:21:32,378 --> 00:21:34,118
and I'd lay there
and I'd watch it, too.
452
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,513
And I just became enamored
with the whole kind of panache
453
00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:40,168
of him sitting there in his
tux, and his big rings,
454
00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:41,822
and a candelabra.
455
00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:45,826
For some reason, when I sat down
at a piano, I had an affinity.
456
00:21:47,131 --> 00:21:50,047
I was a classical snob
when I studied piano.
457
00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,093
I didn't know anything
about rock and roll,
458
00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:55,270
didn't care. I was really
classically trained.
459
00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:57,098
It wasn't until The Beatles
460
00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:59,318
that I really turned
my head around
461
00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:02,712
and thought there was
something more to look at.
462
00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:04,888
When I went
into junior high school
463
00:22:05,062 --> 00:22:06,890
at Birmingham
and when I arrived,
464
00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,719
I had this
kind of moderate arrogance
465
00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:11,330
that I was gonna be
your piano player
466
00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:13,201
'cause I had had these awards
467
00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:16,247
from the Hollywood Bowl
Association and all this crap.
468
00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:19,903
And I went in
and the music teacher, Ted Lynn,
469
00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:21,688
he brought out a bass
and I put--
470
00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:23,516
Showed me how to hold it
and I plucked a note
471
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:25,039
and felt
that vibration run through
472
00:22:25,213 --> 00:22:26,954
and I just went, "Sold."
473
00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:28,564
And the thing that
was hard was,
474
00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:30,436
- I mean, I didn't have a bass.
475
00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:32,263
We had a piano at home,
so they would let me, like,
476
00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:33,961
carry the bass home
from school.
477
00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:35,832
You know...
...a little kid dragging
478
00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:37,660
a string bass, you know,
a couple of miles home.
479
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,184
You know, it was kind
of like walking through snow
480
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,099
and bare feet this deep,
you know...
481
00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:43,579
...in the dead of winter.
482
00:22:45,973 --> 00:22:48,149
Since I was a little kid,
I've dealt with nothing,
483
00:22:48,323 --> 00:22:50,499
a profound low self-esteem.
484
00:22:51,718 --> 00:22:54,503
My flesh crawls when people
start complimenting me,
485
00:22:54,677 --> 00:22:56,070
'cause I don't think
I deserve it.
486
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,073
Could be, a little hiding.
487
00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,859
But the last time I actually
was totally clean shaven
488
00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:04,992
was when they gave me
my high school diploma.
489
00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:08,125
That's the last time
I saw my upper lip, was '65.
490
00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:10,301
Have you ever noticed,
ladies and gentlemen,
491
00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:14,828
that every generation has had
a particular kind of music
492
00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:16,873
they considered
all their very own?
493
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,832
You know,
like now it's rock and roll.
494
00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:24,446
I like
the responsibility of the bass
495
00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:26,622
and you can be
the guy in the back,
496
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:28,363
you don't have
to be the guy up front,
497
00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:30,060
you know, hanging it all out.
498
00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:36,589
I knew I'd always play music,
but it never occurred to me
499
00:23:36,763 --> 00:23:40,157
that I would actually be able
to have this be my vocation
500
00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:41,768
rather than an avocation.
501
00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:44,205
Being a musician,
502
00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:46,163
it was always-- They'd kind
of look at musicians
503
00:23:46,337 --> 00:23:47,817
as like the fringe element.
504
00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,646
Everybody would look
at what you do
505
00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:51,995
as it's your hobby.
506
00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:53,910
At some point,
you got to get serious
507
00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:56,304
and think about a job,
you know, be a
508
00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:58,132
doctor or an electrician
509
00:23:58,306 --> 00:24:00,656
or a plumber or a lawyer
or something like that.
510
00:24:01,614 --> 00:24:04,791
When all hell breaks loose,
you stand on a corner
511
00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:06,619
and be an executive
512
00:24:06,793 --> 00:24:08,055
and I'll stand there
and play music
513
00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:09,448
and let's see who gets paid.
514
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:17,325
Carole, Danny, Lee, and I toured
the Sweet Baby Jamesalbum
515
00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:18,631
with James.
516
00:24:19,109 --> 00:24:20,981
And you know,
she'd been writing these songs
517
00:24:21,155 --> 00:24:23,549
and he really encouraged her
to get out there and do it.
518
00:24:24,637 --> 00:24:26,334
She gets introduced--
Well, I introduced her
519
00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:29,337
to James and Peter and all,
and it started to be
520
00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,034
this whole circle of people
521
00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,297
who were working together.
Russ, Lee, of course.
522
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,299
Carole was there
as the piano player.
523
00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:38,912
So, one night, I don't know
whether it was prepared or not,
524
00:24:39,086 --> 00:24:40,696
but he says,
"This is Carole King,
525
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,393
she's written some incredibly
great songs.
526
00:24:42,655 --> 00:24:43,656
Carole, sing a few songs
527
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:45,179
- for the audience."
- Yeah.
528
00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:46,528
And she didn't know
what to expect
529
00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:47,834
- and was terrified.
530
00:24:48,008 --> 00:24:49,488
But she sang
the first song,
531
00:24:49,662 --> 00:24:51,011
whichever it was,
and the audience goes nuts.
532
00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:52,882
They start applauding
and yelling.
533
00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:56,233
The next thing that happens
is Doug Wester gets on the mic,
534
00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:57,583
"Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm sorry,
535
00:24:57,757 --> 00:24:59,280
we're gonna have
to clear the hall.
536
00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:01,717
There's been a bomb scare."
537
00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,719
Whether they were
freaking out, I couldn't tell,
538
00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:06,200
'cause I remember
before they filed out,
539
00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:08,332
the words that popped out
of my mouth when he said,
540
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,987
"I think they say
there's a bomb in here,"
541
00:25:11,248 --> 00:25:14,077
- "As long as it's not me."
542
00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:16,515
First time.
- That was at the Troubadour.
543
00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:17,951
- At the Troubadour, yes.
544
00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:20,736
Lou Adler signed her to A&M.
545
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:22,651
And the next thing you know,
Carole's in the studio
546
00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:23,696
cutting Tapestry.
547
00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:27,308
Tapestry
was all new for me.
548
00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:31,094
You know, I wanted
as much of Carole as possible.
549
00:25:31,791 --> 00:25:34,141
All we did was take
the magic of what we would do
550
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:37,144
in a living room,
take it into the studio.
551
00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:41,452
♪ I feel the earth move
Under my feet ♪
552
00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:44,586
♪ I feel the sky
Crumbling down ♪
553
00:25:45,065 --> 00:25:47,807
With Kootch,
I could really communicate
554
00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:52,115
and could translate
that into actual playing.
555
00:25:53,682 --> 00:25:55,292
♪ Ooh, baby ♪
556
00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:59,775
Kootch can play anything
from the '40s to the future.
557
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:03,692
Tapestry, the whole thing
was done in three weeks.
558
00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:05,172
Three songs in one day.
559
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:06,695
And we didn't piece together
560
00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:08,088
- the best.
- No, it wasn't overdubbed.
561
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:09,655
It was live.
562
00:26:10,003 --> 00:26:11,874
♪ Hey, I feel the earth move ♪
563
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,529
♪ Now you look so unhappy ♪
564
00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:17,358
We would know
when we had the magic take,
565
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,142
because when we got it,
we got it.
566
00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:21,231
It was magic.
It was the first time.
567
00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:23,712
It was fresh. It was new.
It was unique.
568
00:26:23,886 --> 00:26:25,496
And everybody clicked.
569
00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:27,890
♪ Now it's too late
Though we really did ♪
570
00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:29,457
I was playing solos live.
571
00:26:29,631 --> 00:26:31,198
Carole would just say,
"Oh, play a solo there."
572
00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:32,547
"Okay."
573
00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:34,593
I wasn't thinking
about it too much.
574
00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,290
I just played it off
the top of my head.
575
00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:38,901
It had to be a sad,
kind of melancholy solo.
576
00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:42,339
♪ Oh, no, no ♪
577
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,693
The solos Kootch played
on Carole's record,
578
00:26:47,867 --> 00:26:50,696
they were brilliant, 'cause
they were a little bit jazzy
579
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:54,482
in a way
and not strictly rock and roll.
580
00:26:59,530 --> 00:27:01,445
I'm glad I didn't have
another shot at that solo,
581
00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:03,709
because I would have pissed
my pants realizing that,
582
00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:05,362
you know,
everyone was gonna hear it.
583
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,495
But I didn't know that I was
gonna be listening to it
584
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:10,629
in every supermarket,
every drugstore forever.
585
00:27:13,806 --> 00:27:16,243
Every day
for the rest of your life.
586
00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:17,853
- That's right. Yeah.
587
00:27:18,985 --> 00:27:22,336
1971 was a crazy year.
588
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:25,426
Danny Kortchmar and I were
working on Carole King's
589
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,732
Tapestry album.
590
00:27:27,123 --> 00:27:29,256
And at the same time, Leland
and Danny and I,
591
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:32,825
were working on James Taylor's
Mud Slide Slimalbum.
592
00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:36,524
♪ All you got to do is call ♪
593
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:39,440
♪ And I'll be there ♪
594
00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:41,703
It was a busy time.
Sure was, yeah.
595
00:27:43,618 --> 00:27:45,359
I was an avid
record buyer.
596
00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,971
And I bought records
by people I liked,
597
00:27:49,145 --> 00:27:52,888
but also by the guys behind.
598
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,805
You'd follow certain people,
you know?
599
00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:59,852
I was transfixed
by what those guys did
600
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:01,505
to support the songs.
601
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,985
And that changed
the whole way I thought about
602
00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,423
what a session guy does,
how to support a song,
603
00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:08,512
what a band does,
what a bass player does,
604
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,123
- what a drummer does.
I remember
605
00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,342
seeing Russ Kunkel's name
on records.
606
00:28:12,516 --> 00:28:14,301
Of course, you know
the James Taylor records.
607
00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:17,391
Of course, back in those days,
you didn't always see
608
00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,132
those guys, you know?
609
00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:21,090
It wasn't like their pictures
were in the fan magazines
610
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:22,135
all the time.
611
00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,790
Peter was the one
who instigated
612
00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,966
putting musicians' names
on albums.
613
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,489
He was the first guy to do it.
614
00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:32,014
It was a subtler view
of how this music was made.
615
00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:33,929
You started to learn
that different people
616
00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:35,539
played different ways.
And what was the difference?
617
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:36,758
And how did it sound?
618
00:28:37,454 --> 00:28:40,153
And I just remember
seeing these three names
619
00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:41,850
on records all the time.
620
00:28:42,242 --> 00:28:43,504
"Who are those punks?"
621
00:28:43,678 --> 00:28:45,680
Well, you drummer,
bass player, fine.
622
00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:46,986
"Who's this guy, Kootch?"
623
00:28:47,551 --> 00:28:49,075
"Who are these fucking guys?
Who's this guy, Kootch?
624
00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:52,295
Why is he on all these records?
How does he get all these gigs?"
625
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:54,341
Well, I'd been hearing
about Waddy,
626
00:28:54,515 --> 00:28:55,603
and he'd been hearing about me.
627
00:28:55,995 --> 00:28:57,431
But we hadn't run
into each other.
628
00:28:57,823 --> 00:28:59,302
Lou Adler called both
Waddy and I
629
00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,652
to play on a Tim Curry album.
630
00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:03,742
As soon as he walked in,
I took one look at him.
631
00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:05,047
It was love at first sight.
632
00:29:05,482 --> 00:29:07,180
I was almost like,
"I know this guy.
633
00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:08,659
I know this guy."
634
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:10,531
'Cause I could tell,
just his attitude,
635
00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:11,924
the way he walked in.
636
00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:13,447
I just knew
what he was all about.
637
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:16,015
He looked
like an adorable Muppet.
638
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,800
So of course, the second
we met, we loved each other.
639
00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:20,236
And it was like
the beginning of our,
640
00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:22,064
aside
from our personal relationship,
641
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:24,719
our guitar relationship.
We instantly knew what to do,
642
00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:26,155
what the other guy
wouldn't be doing.
643
00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:28,636
So they were like
considered the LA guys.
644
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,899
But there was something
that was different about them.
645
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:37,166
And I was like,
"What is so different about...
646
00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:41,040
their playing that doesn't
necessarily--
647
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,001
It's not your typical
LA kind of thing."
648
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,439
And then I found out they were
two Jews from New York.
649
00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:50,876
And I said,
"Well, there you have it,
650
00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:53,487
my people. Now I get it."
651
00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:16,379
♪ Where you just have
To wish to make it so ♪
652
00:30:17,728 --> 00:30:21,645
♪ Let's go up on the roof ♪
653
00:30:22,124 --> 00:30:23,952
I would turn around
and I'd watch him playing,
654
00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:27,042
and just go like,
"He's extraordinary.
655
00:30:27,347 --> 00:30:28,696
You know,
he's just extraordinary."
656
00:30:36,356 --> 00:30:41,143
♪ At night the stars
They put on a show ♪
657
00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:45,060
At five years old, I saw
somebody on TV playing a guitar.
658
00:30:51,632 --> 00:30:53,764
My mom was standing there
and I said, "What's is that?
659
00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:54,940
What's this guy doing?"
660
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,639
And she goes,
"That's a guitar." I went,
661
00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:00,249
"Okay.
That's what I want to do."
662
00:31:03,731 --> 00:31:05,037
And she went,
"You're five years old.
663
00:31:05,428 --> 00:31:06,386
What are you talking about?"
And I said, "That's it.
664
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,430
That's all I want."
665
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:12,044
Age nine, I got a guitar
for Christmas or Hanukkah.
666
00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:14,263
And it was a Les Paul.
667
00:31:14,568 --> 00:31:16,526
Being a rotten kid, I went,
"This ain't the one I want."
668
00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:19,921
No, it was the yellow kind, not
the black one that I wanted.
669
00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:22,576
Started taking lessons
at age nine.
670
00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:31,193
All this really amazing
guitar stuff started
671
00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:32,934
slapping me in the head.
672
00:31:33,108 --> 00:31:35,676
And there was Duane Eddy
and Carl Perkins.
673
00:31:36,807 --> 00:31:39,158
♪ Hey, honey, don't ♪
674
00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,378
I had a band,
called Twice Nicely.
675
00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,729
I got a phone call
from Ahmet Ertegun
676
00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,123
with my demo playing
in the background
677
00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:50,430
and him telling me,
"I love this fucking record.
678
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:52,736
I love this fucking record.
Welcome to Atlantic."
679
00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:55,043
And then a day later,
Bud Cowsill tells me,
680
00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:56,610
"Yeah, the Atlantic deal's
not happening."
681
00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,569
I broke up
the band shortly after that.
682
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,658
And I decided
at that point, I said,
683
00:32:01,832 --> 00:32:04,183
"I want to be a studio musician.
I want to do that.
684
00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:05,488
I'm good enough to do that."
685
00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,841
The timing
when I moved to California,
686
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,235
right when everything
was beginning to happen here,
687
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:16,325
it was like Liverpool
was when Beatles came out.
688
00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:22,505
It was somewhere
around in the beginning of '72
689
00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:24,464
when I first met Waddy.
690
00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:28,729
And we started working
onBuckingham Nicks.
691
00:32:30,339 --> 00:32:32,254
We were just trying
to make this record.
692
00:32:32,602 --> 00:32:35,344
But Waddy
was a super-big part of it.
693
00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:39,261
We're sitting
in this restaurant.
694
00:32:39,696 --> 00:32:42,264
And there's David Crosby's,
like, three tables away from me
695
00:32:42,438 --> 00:32:44,614
and I'm going, "This is,
like, incredible, I mean."
696
00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:46,094
Waddy walks up
to me and he says,
697
00:32:46,268 --> 00:32:49,054
"How do you do this?
How do we do this?
698
00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:51,404
We want to be rock stars.
We want to play."
699
00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:54,276
I loved him right away.
He was a funny, little guy.
700
00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:55,886
He could play.
701
00:32:58,367 --> 00:32:59,847
I was doing sessions
and I got a call
702
00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:01,892
from someone
to talk about sessions.
703
00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,677
But in that call, he said,
704
00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,244
"Oh, by the way,
the Everly Brothers are looking
705
00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:07,072
for a guitar player
for a tour."
706
00:33:07,246 --> 00:33:09,900
I said, "Well, that's my gig.
I mean, I know every song.
707
00:33:10,249 --> 00:33:12,294
I know every vocal part.
I know every guitar part."
708
00:33:12,729 --> 00:33:13,600
I went and auditioned.
709
00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:18,039
Door opens and this guy
comes in with a fedora hat on
710
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,824
and a seersucker jacket,
and shades.
711
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,175
Warren Zevon.
That's where I met Warren.
712
00:33:23,349 --> 00:33:25,046
And he goes,
"Okay, we're gonna play
713
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:26,830
the song through and then
you'll play it with us."
714
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,615
I said, "You know, you could
leave that step out,
715
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:30,791
really, because, you know,
I know these songs
716
00:33:30,965 --> 00:33:32,358
backwards and forwards."
He goes,
717
00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:33,707
"No, no, no,
we're gonna do it like the way
718
00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:36,014
I'm telling you." "Okay, fine."
719
00:33:36,188 --> 00:33:37,754
But he goes, "Okay, now,
it's time for you to do it."
720
00:33:37,928 --> 00:33:39,104
And I went, "Okay, great,
721
00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:40,844
but you're not playing
it right."
722
00:33:41,193 --> 00:33:42,585
He goes, "What do you mean
I'm not playing?
723
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,718
I'm the musical director
of this band."
724
00:33:45,153 --> 00:33:47,460
I said, "Yeah, well, that may
be, but...
725
00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:48,939
...it goes like this."
726
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,116
And I played it
and the bass player,
727
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,292
who'd been with the Everlys
for a long time, goes,
728
00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:56,121
"Hey, yeah, that's right.
That's how it goes."
729
00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:59,254
♪ Is dream ♪
730
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:02,431
Begrudgingly, he goes,
"Well, I guess you got the job."
731
00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,262
I got a call
from Lou Adler's office
732
00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:11,179
and Lou wanted me
to come play on a record date.
733
00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:17,533
I'm driving into SIR
in my old '57 Chevy
734
00:34:17,706 --> 00:34:20,449
and this other '57 Chevy
is coming out of SIR.
735
00:34:20,623 --> 00:34:22,103
And we literally stopped
in the middle
736
00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:23,713
of Santa Monica Boulevard,
right there at Vine.
737
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,889
And people are honking horns
and everything.
738
00:34:26,063 --> 00:34:27,587
- And he goes, "Are you Waddy?"
739
00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:29,067
And I went,
"Yeah, are you Russ?"
740
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:30,416
He goes, "Yeah, man."
741
00:34:30,851 --> 00:34:31,895
He says, "I got to go,
but we're gonna be seeing
742
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,592
a lot of each other, man."
743
00:34:33,766 --> 00:34:36,726
And that's when the four
of us got together
744
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:37,858
for the first time.
745
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:39,947
And we did her
Thoroughbred record,
746
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,601
me, Russell, and Leland,
and Danny.
747
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,214
When I walked past Carole
in the hallway,
748
00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:47,607
she looks at me...
749
00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:50,523
...she goes,
"Are we related?"
750
00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:52,786
I go, "I hope so,
but I don't think so."
751
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400
♪ Only love is real ♪
752
00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:02,100
As soon as I played
with him, I went,
753
00:35:02,274 --> 00:35:05,494
"This is it, these guys,
this is fantastic," you know?
754
00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:07,322
"Who is this fucking guy,
Kootch?"
755
00:35:07,496 --> 00:35:08,758
And you still feel
that way?
756
00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:10,934
I do, yeah.
I know who you are now.
757
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,632
- I know how to spell Kortchmar.
758
00:35:12,806 --> 00:35:14,460
I think
759
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,158
the fact that they put our names
760
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:21,206
on the album jackets
had a profound effect
761
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,468
on our careers,
762
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:25,993
because looking back
to the Wrecking Crew
763
00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,126
and the generation
of players before us
764
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,606
that didn't get credit,
people had no idea
765
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:33,261
that when they're listening
to Mamas and the Papas
766
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:35,350
and The Association,
and Frank Sinatra,
767
00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:37,091
and all these artists,
that it was the same bunch
768
00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:38,397
- of musicians...
- Right.
769
00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:39,876
...on all these things.
But to have
770
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:43,053
Peter and Lou Adler,
771
00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:44,751
and people like that
putting our names on 'em
772
00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:46,056
all of a sudden,
773
00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:49,408
when people were looking
to sign their artists
774
00:35:49,582 --> 00:35:51,279
and they would look at,
like, a James Taylor record
775
00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,108
and see Russ, and me,
and Kootch on it,
776
00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:56,066
they would go,
"If it worked for him,
777
00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:58,112
it's bound to work for us."
778
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:01,550
And, man, I mean, to me,
I always look at my career,
779
00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:06,033
I went from zero to a hundred
overnight where it was like,
780
00:36:06,207 --> 00:36:08,253
went from no studio experience,
781
00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:10,168
basically,
to working around the clock.
782
00:36:10,342 --> 00:36:12,822
Yeah. In probably a four
or five-year period of time
783
00:36:12,996 --> 00:36:14,911
from like 1970 to 1975.
784
00:36:15,085 --> 00:36:16,478
- It was unbelievable.
So much music
785
00:36:16,652 --> 00:36:18,176
that we all did
during that period of time.
786
00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:22,223
♪ Little hands, little eyes ♪
787
00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:25,661
♪ And they walk around
Tellin' great, big lies ♪
788
00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,490
People started listening
to them, going,
789
00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:29,970
"God, these guys
are great players."
790
00:36:30,144 --> 00:36:32,581
So, people started
hiring them on the side
791
00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:34,801
to record stuff
on their records.
792
00:36:34,975 --> 00:36:37,673
♪ Well, I don't want
No short people ♪
793
00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:41,851
♪ Don't want no short people ♪
794
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,986
My first job
of real consequences
795
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,729
was getting to unlock
the potential in my own songs
796
00:36:49,903 --> 00:36:51,557
in a studio with great players.
797
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:53,994
I mean,
it's maybe a naive assumption,
798
00:36:54,168 --> 00:36:56,388
but I'm thinking I'm going
to studio with a guy,
799
00:36:56,562 --> 00:36:57,867
named Jackson Browne.
800
00:36:58,128 --> 00:36:59,478
And I thought
he was gonna be black.
801
00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:02,437
When I suddenly see
this skinny, little, white guy,
802
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:05,092
I go, "You're Jackson Browne?
Wow. Cool."
803
00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:07,399
As soon as he sat down
to play, I just went,
804
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:10,228
"Oh man, this guy,
you know, he's got it."
805
00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:13,840
♪ Doctor, my eyes
Have seen the years ♪
806
00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:18,192
♪ And the slow parade
Of fears without crying ♪
807
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:22,022
♪ Now, I want to understand ♪
808
00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,895
Now, I'd spend every day
with either Danny or Russell
809
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:28,463
or Leland in some session
or one of them here
810
00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,248
and then one of them
in another one.
811
00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:32,685
♪ Oh, Carey, get out
your cane ♪
812
00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:35,122
Being in LA at that time,
813
00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,125
we all went a little bit
different directions,
814
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:40,823
because we worked
with slightly different artists
815
00:37:40,997 --> 00:37:42,825
on different things,
but we always ended up
816
00:37:42,999 --> 00:37:46,176
coming back and playing
on specific things together.
817
00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:51,181
♪ Lovely day, lovely day
Lovely day, lovely day ♪
818
00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:52,661
While the other guys
were off doing
819
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,272
like John Stewart
820
00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:56,317
or somebody like that
or Carole or something,
821
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,973
I ended up going off
and doing this seminal,
822
00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:02,889
you know, jazz fusion album
that everybody looks at.
823
00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:11,201
He's played
on so many great things,
824
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:14,596
but he played on Spectrum,
Billy Cobham, Spectrum.
825
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:16,424
I mean, come on, enough said.
826
00:38:21,037 --> 00:38:22,996
I got spoiled pretty early
from working
827
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:24,780
with these
brilliant song writers.
828
00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:26,782
When you're working
with, you know,
829
00:38:26,956 --> 00:38:28,480
with James, and Carole,
and Jackson Browne,
830
00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:29,524
you get spoiled.
831
00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:33,528
♪ Can you see around the bend ♪
832
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:35,617
They're not looking
at a clock,
833
00:38:35,965 --> 00:38:38,011
they're not thinking
about how much they're making
834
00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:41,449
for the three hours.
They're just musicianship.
835
00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:42,842
"What's the best
that I can do here
836
00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:43,843
to make this record?"
837
00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:47,194
The thing
about those guys is they knew
838
00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:48,630
the right thing to play.
839
00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:49,936
They knew how to play
with each other,
840
00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:50,937
and they knew how
to play with us.
841
00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:52,634
We were really fortunate
842
00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:54,070
that all these things
came together
843
00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:55,420
- in such a unique way...
Yeah.
844
00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:56,856
- ...for all of us.
Yeah.
845
00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:59,511
Also, unlike a lot
of session musicians,
846
00:39:00,468 --> 00:39:02,296
we were called to be ourselves.
847
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:03,863
- In other words...
Yeah.
848
00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:06,561
...we weren't called,
Waddy and I certainly,
849
00:39:06,735 --> 00:39:08,650
and all of us weren't called
to say, "Oh,
850
00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:10,391
could you sound just
like so and so?
851
00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:11,958
Could you play
a part just like--" Never.
852
00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:13,351
You can get anyone to do that.
853
00:39:13,525 --> 00:39:14,395
You get a lot
of guys that'll do that,
854
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:15,701
and they'll do it amazingly.
855
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:17,964
We were called to be us.
We were like character actors.
856
00:39:18,138 --> 00:39:19,444
We were called to do
what we already do.
857
00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:24,013
So I came up in New York
City as a session player
858
00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:25,798
about ten years
after all these guys.
859
00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,844
So, they were all
big influences on me.
860
00:39:29,628 --> 00:39:33,153
When they came up, people wanted
them to play themselves.
861
00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:35,111
"I need Waddy Wachtel
in the session.
862
00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:36,678
I need Danny Kort--"
863
00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:39,115
By the time I got in there,
they were telling us,
864
00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,379
one day, be like,
"Play like Waddy Wachtel.
865
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:43,511
Play like Danny Kortchmar."
866
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,774
But nobody was saying,
"Play like Steve Postell."
867
00:39:46,035 --> 00:39:49,125
Those guys had already
cornered that market.
868
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:51,693
Each song is
a different victim, you know,
869
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:53,869
each one is a separate patient.
870
00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:56,481
You know, you can't just apply
one science to it.
871
00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:58,744
I stopped by Roy's house
and Warren was there.
872
00:39:58,918 --> 00:40:00,441
He goes,
"That's great you're here.
873
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,922
We got to write this song,
'Werewolves of London.'"
874
00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:07,187
And I just got back
from being in London.
875
00:40:07,622 --> 00:40:09,319
And I just looked
at Warren and I said,
876
00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:10,930
"You mean something like,
'I saw a werewolf
877
00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:12,497
with a Chinese menu
in his hand,
878
00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,847
walking down the streets
of Soho in the rain?'" He goes,
879
00:40:15,108 --> 00:40:16,631
"Yeah, yeah, like that."
880
00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:19,329
And my friend Roy Marinell,
he had this lick sitting around
881
00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:22,376
for years,
two years worth of this.
882
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:24,204
Yeah.
883
00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:31,037
And I said, "Roy,
play that fucking lick."
884
00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:34,997
So many people tried versions
of it and it wasn't working.
885
00:40:35,171 --> 00:40:37,173
And Jorge Calderón, he said,
886
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:39,219
"What about Mick Fleetwood
and John McVie?"
887
00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:42,918
So, I called him and I said,
"Hey, would you consider
888
00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:45,486
playing on a song with Warren,
and Jackson, and myself?"
889
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,619
They went, "We're honored."
I went, "Honored?
890
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:50,273
We're honored. So why don't you
just get down here
891
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,840
and we'll talk
about who's honored."
892
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:55,278
And across
the studio, Mick's saying,
893
00:40:55,453 --> 00:41:00,066
"Now, Waddy, we're not Kunkel
and Sklar, all right?
894
00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:01,807
Take it easy on us."
895
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:03,548
When we started,
we did take one.
896
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:09,292
We did take two.
897
00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:12,644
Nine.
898
00:41:15,908 --> 00:41:17,692
Five hours later,
you know, "You want to hear it?"
899
00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:19,564
Mick goes, "Nah, nah,
let's just keep going, man.
900
00:41:19,738 --> 00:41:20,913
Let's keep going."
901
00:41:22,044 --> 00:41:24,917
We played it
until the sun was coming up.
902
00:41:30,183 --> 00:41:33,012
And Mick Fleetwood saying,
"Waddy, Waddy,
903
00:41:33,186 --> 00:41:35,101
we're never done, Waddy.
We're never done."
904
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:37,103
And I went,
"We're never done, huh?
905
00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:38,234
Oh, okay.
906
00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:40,759
All right, let's keep going.
We're never done."
907
00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,981
I'm about
to count off take 60, 61.
908
00:41:46,155 --> 00:41:48,070
It's like, I don't know
what time it is now.
909
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:53,119
Waddy said,
"Like I just think we
910
00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:55,948
- had it in the beginning."
- I went to Jackson, I went,
911
00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:58,864
"Jackson,
take two was good, right?"
912
00:41:59,038 --> 00:42:01,431
"Play us take two."
913
00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:13,139
♪ I saw a werewolf with
A Chinese menu in his hand ♪
914
00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:18,013
♪ Walking through the streets
Of Soho in the rain ♪
915
00:42:18,405 --> 00:42:20,973
I looked at Mick and went,
"Mick, we're done.
916
00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:22,844
That's it. It's over.
917
00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:24,629
That's the take.
Thank you, guys."
918
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:31,374
♪ Don't you know ♪
919
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,944
♪ Don't you know
That it's wrong ♪
920
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:39,905
What you found
is that the best song
921
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,950
wasn't necessarily
the hit song.
922
00:42:42,777 --> 00:42:46,781
And so you were trying to make
every song the best song.
923
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:49,131
♪ You could get along
If you try to be strong ♪
924
00:42:49,305 --> 00:42:51,612
♪ But you'll never be strong
'Cause ♪
925
00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:54,093
If you, you know,
walked into a session
926
00:42:54,267 --> 00:43:01,013
with artists like Randy
or James or whoever,
927
00:43:01,361 --> 00:43:02,841
you didn't bring up
the word "hit."
928
00:43:03,842 --> 00:43:04,756
That was a no-no.
929
00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:07,976
It was like it was,
"We're not selling that."
930
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:10,457
I always made sure
I played exactly
931
00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:12,633
what the producer
or the artist wanted.
932
00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:14,766
And then sometimes I'd say,
"Could you indulge me
933
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,942
and let me try something else?
934
00:43:17,116 --> 00:43:18,813
Just see what you think.
As an alternative."
935
00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:20,249
And there were times
where they'd go,
936
00:43:20,423 --> 00:43:22,687
"You just made the song.
That's fantastic."
937
00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:24,558
And then there were other times
where they'd say,
938
00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:26,038
you know, kind of,
"I'm really used to
939
00:43:26,212 --> 00:43:28,083
what we've got."
So, I'd say, "Cool."
940
00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:32,740
My kind of mantra is everything
I do is etched in mud.
941
00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,222
♪ Mr. Bojangles ♪
942
00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:40,487
♪ Mr. Bojangles ♪
943
00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:43,577
Each album
became like a, you know,
944
00:43:43,751 --> 00:43:45,448
"What's the next thing
they're gonna do?"
945
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,233
And everybody
was waiting for it.
946
00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:04,424
There's that fear
that if you leave town,
947
00:44:04,598 --> 00:44:06,078
somebody else
is gonna take that seat
948
00:44:06,252 --> 00:44:07,906
and you're not gonna
get your gig back.
949
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,038
Mm-hmm.
- And I mean,
950
00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:13,259
you know,
this harkens back to the days
951
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:14,695
of the Wrecking Crew,
952
00:44:14,956 --> 00:44:16,654
where they didn't go
on the road with people.
953
00:44:16,828 --> 00:44:18,612
They made everybody's records.
954
00:44:18,786 --> 00:44:20,048
And if people wanted
to go perform,
955
00:44:20,222 --> 00:44:22,094
they would have
a road band to go do it.
956
00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:25,706
We were really lucky
to have lived both sides
957
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,229
- of that fence...
Extremely lucky.
958
00:44:27,403 --> 00:44:28,709
- ...to be able to do that.
Yeah.
959
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,105
In the '70s,
960
00:44:33,583 --> 00:44:35,194
touring did become an
important record-selling tool
961
00:44:35,368 --> 00:44:36,891
in the eyes
of the record company.
962
00:44:37,936 --> 00:44:39,372
Peter would put
a band together
963
00:44:39,633 --> 00:44:41,200
and we would rehearse
a little bit.
964
00:44:41,374 --> 00:44:42,505
We'd go to make the album.
965
00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:44,072
And then when
the album came out,
966
00:44:44,246 --> 00:44:45,073
we'd tour, same band.
967
00:44:49,512 --> 00:44:52,951
I'd like to introduce
to a few more players up here.
968
00:44:53,952 --> 00:44:55,388
Russell Kunkel and Lee Sklar.
969
00:44:57,433 --> 00:44:58,913
And the thing
that was interesting to me was
970
00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:00,393
there were a lot of players
971
00:45:00,828 --> 00:45:02,134
in town who were like,
"So what are you up to?" I said,
972
00:45:02,308 --> 00:45:03,613
"We're heading out
for the summer.
973
00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:05,224
We're gonna be working."
And they're going,
974
00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:07,574
"How can you do that, man?
I mean, you leave town,
975
00:45:07,835 --> 00:45:09,619
somebody else
is gonna take all your gigs
976
00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:12,448
and all that."
I said, "So be it."
977
00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:15,756
It's Kootch.
978
00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:18,716
Danny Kortchmar.
979
00:45:22,589 --> 00:45:24,722
Why, it's Waddy. Waddy Wachtel.
980
00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:32,207
No, it just seemed
like the natural thing
981
00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:35,776
that the people
who played the music...
982
00:45:36,864 --> 00:45:38,910
you know, for the record
should play it on the road.
983
00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:42,783
This next tune,
now, Kootch wrote it.
984
00:45:43,088 --> 00:45:45,177
I didn't write it.
Kootch wrote it.
985
00:45:53,489 --> 00:45:55,970
We did these huge,
huge shows.
986
00:45:56,449 --> 00:45:58,973
And these were
baseball stadiums, full.
987
00:45:59,147 --> 00:46:01,280
I mean,
it was pretty impressive.
988
00:46:08,026 --> 00:46:11,943
I played "Fire And Rain"
10,000 times.
989
00:46:12,552 --> 00:46:14,162
It's a simple couple of chords.
990
00:46:14,336 --> 00:46:16,948
I don't think I've ever played
it twice the same way.
991
00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,601
Standing next
to Leland on stage
992
00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:21,213
when we played
with James, he would do stuff.
993
00:46:22,344 --> 00:46:23,737
I would just forget where I was.
994
00:46:23,911 --> 00:46:25,565
He would-- "How is this guy
doing that?
995
00:46:25,739 --> 00:46:27,219
What is all that?"
996
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,962
Again, I asked him, "Could you
not play quite as great?
997
00:46:31,136 --> 00:46:34,530
Could you just maybe,
you know play a note?"
998
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:37,490
When people say,
"Don't you get bored?"
999
00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:40,058
I always go look at,
somewhere in that audience,
1000
00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:42,234
somebody's hearing this
for the first time,
1001
00:46:42,408 --> 00:46:43,757
and that's who I'm playing to.
1002
00:46:43,931 --> 00:46:45,324
When we went on the road,
1003
00:46:45,498 --> 00:46:47,413
I was the person
who was on the bill.
1004
00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:50,242
But it really, to me, felt like
I was playing in a band.
1005
00:46:51,983 --> 00:46:53,680
I always looked
at the road
1006
00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:58,859
as one of the greatest gifts
one could ask for of travel.
1007
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:00,339
'Cause I never traveled
as a kid.
1008
00:47:00,513 --> 00:47:02,254
My family, I mean,
the most we would do
1009
00:47:02,428 --> 00:47:05,039
is maybe go to San Francisco
from LA or something like that
1010
00:47:05,213 --> 00:47:06,606
or San Diego.
1011
00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:09,870
So, when suddenly I found myself
flying around the world.
1012
00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:21,012
These guys were
Carole's band and James' band.
1013
00:47:21,186 --> 00:47:23,144
They then
became celebrities themself,
1014
00:47:23,318 --> 00:47:25,364
because they were seen
by millions of people.
1015
00:47:26,234 --> 00:47:28,584
I remember playing
Merriweather Post Pavilion,
1016
00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:31,500
and we walk out on stage
and James kind of looked over
1017
00:47:31,674 --> 00:47:33,676
at me with this kind
of a scowl on his face.
1018
00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,461
And I looked down,
in the front row
1019
00:47:35,765 --> 00:47:38,333
was a whole bunch of people
that said "Le Sklar Fan Club"
1020
00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:41,423
T-shirts on. And he was like...
1021
00:47:41,597 --> 00:47:44,339
I went, "Dude, I'm sorry,
I'll try to keep
1022
00:47:44,513 --> 00:47:45,775
a lower profile."
1023
00:47:48,256 --> 00:47:49,605
We were out
for so long back then.
1024
00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:51,042
End of the tour,
1025
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:52,870
we'd just keep extending
and extending.
1026
00:47:53,131 --> 00:47:54,132
We're not going home.
1027
00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:57,352
Twelve weeks, three months
at a time, maybe.
1028
00:47:57,831 --> 00:47:58,963
Go to the next town,
1029
00:47:59,311 --> 00:48:00,747
I don't care where it is,
doesn't matter.
1030
00:48:01,008 --> 00:48:02,488
That piece of paper comes
under the door saying
1031
00:48:02,662 --> 00:48:04,446
what time you got to get up.
I'll be up.
1032
00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:06,709
You know, I'll get on the bus.
1033
00:48:09,147 --> 00:48:10,322
We were on a bus
1034
00:48:10,931 --> 00:48:13,238
that had a Continental
Trailways driver in a uniform.
1035
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,631
We didn't ask
anything more about it.
1036
00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:17,372
Like did it have bunks?
1037
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:20,419
We didn't think about it till
it was time to go to sleep.
1038
00:48:22,812 --> 00:48:24,466
There were no bunks.
1039
00:48:26,251 --> 00:48:28,209
We had chartered a plane.
1040
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:30,864
It's kind of an older plane,
for sure.
1041
00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:32,822
We said this,
"Is it all ready?"
1042
00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:34,433
They said, "We're waiting
on a welder."
1043
00:48:34,955 --> 00:48:36,565
So he's out there working
and we're sitting, you know,
1044
00:48:36,739 --> 00:48:38,089
twiddling our thumbs
1045
00:48:38,263 --> 00:48:39,481
and the thing finally,
he's done.
1046
00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:41,092
And we said,
"So is everything okay?"
1047
00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:42,963
And he goes,
"It'll get you there."
1048
00:48:44,573 --> 00:48:46,358
Flying to Akron, Ohio.
1049
00:48:49,143 --> 00:48:51,058
Heavy weather instantly.
1050
00:48:52,364 --> 00:48:56,020
And we were circling Akron
when the radio cut out.
1051
00:48:58,587 --> 00:48:59,937
See, I'd gotten
so drunk the night before,
1052
00:49:00,111 --> 00:49:01,590
I was painfully hungover.
1053
00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:04,767
With no visibility,
the guy took it up.
1054
00:49:06,117 --> 00:49:07,335
I think there was some
smoke coming out
1055
00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:09,555
from under the
front cabin door.
1056
00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:11,470
We look out the window
and there's oil pouring out
1057
00:49:11,644 --> 00:49:14,342
- one of the engines.
1058
00:49:14,516 --> 00:49:16,910
Suddenly, everybody comes
flying back into the back
1059
00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:18,912
of the plane and a big scrum
of people, you know?
1060
00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,393
I was just lying
on a bench or something
1061
00:49:21,567 --> 00:49:23,438
in the plane just going,
"Oh, God."
1062
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,745
We're in free fall forward.
1063
00:49:26,311 --> 00:49:28,139
I was, like, hoping
we would crash.
1064
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:32,056
When the pilot dipped
below the cloud level,
1065
00:49:32,621 --> 00:49:34,362
there happened
to be a field below it.
1066
00:49:34,884 --> 00:49:36,147
And we landed in that field.
1067
00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,411
♪ Thank you, baby
Oh, yes ♪
1068
00:49:39,585 --> 00:49:42,196
♪ How sweet it is
To be loved by you ♪
1069
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:44,198
It was just dumb luck.
1070
00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:46,157
The pilot, I'm sure,
thought we were gonna die, too.
1071
00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:48,289
When that plane hit the ground,
1072
00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:50,639
pilot and co-pilot quit
1073
00:49:51,031 --> 00:49:52,554
at that point.
They got off the plane, gone.
1074
00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:58,343
♪ I learned my lesson
It left a scar ♪
1075
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,521
♪ Now I see how you
really are ♪
1076
00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:04,914
♪ You're no good
You're no good ♪
1077
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:07,395
♪ You're no good
Baby, you're no good ♪
1078
00:50:07,569 --> 00:50:09,223
Making an album
and the rest of the time
1079
00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:10,485
we'd be on the road.
We'd come do the album tour,
1080
00:50:10,659 --> 00:50:12,183
album tour, album tour.
1081
00:50:12,357 --> 00:50:14,141
♪ You're no good
You're no good ♪
1082
00:50:14,315 --> 00:50:16,709
♪ You're no good
Baby, you're no good ♪
1083
00:50:16,883 --> 00:50:18,537
But it was really album,
tour, tour, tour, tour,
1084
00:50:18,711 --> 00:50:20,147
album, tour,
tour, tour, tour.
1085
00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:22,845
Well, Linda, you know, she--
1086
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,412
First of all, she'd been
on the road forever
1087
00:50:24,586 --> 00:50:26,023
at that point
and I was new to it.
1088
00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:28,416
But, you know, she taught me
1089
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,507
the gourmet eating on a tour bus
is a one-minute hotdog
1090
00:50:32,681 --> 00:50:34,944
in the microwave.
And I said, "Oh, that's great."
1091
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,946
I'd never worked a microwave,
not even seen one.
1092
00:50:50,612 --> 00:50:52,049
My father
for years was saying,
1093
00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:53,615
"No, you don't want that."
1094
00:50:54,007 --> 00:50:55,704
Always wanted me
to be a doctor or something.
1095
00:50:57,010 --> 00:51:00,666
And I remember,
when I got my gig with Linda,
1096
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,103
he was being helped out
by a friend of his,
1097
00:51:03,277 --> 00:51:06,367
this builder in New York,
real successful builder guy
1098
00:51:06,541 --> 00:51:07,455
that he grew up with.
1099
00:51:08,021 --> 00:51:10,284
And Harry came to the show
1100
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:11,894
and I'm standing there
with my dad,
1101
00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:13,722
and I have make up
all over my face,
1102
00:51:13,896 --> 00:51:16,334
and...
...you know, I'm sweating out.
1103
00:51:16,508 --> 00:51:19,337
And I told him, I said,
"You can tell Harry Waxman
1104
00:51:19,511 --> 00:51:20,903
to go kiss my ass now.
1105
00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:22,601
I'm going to take care of you
for the rest
1106
00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:24,385
of your fucking life.
We don't need him anymore."
1107
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:26,518
And he was just so happy.
1108
00:51:26,692 --> 00:51:29,825
And from then on, he was going,
"Yeah, Bobby's a guitar player,
1109
00:51:29,999 --> 00:51:31,175
like Glen Campbell."
1110
00:51:31,566 --> 00:51:33,220
That's all he could say,
"Like Glen Campbell.
1111
00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:35,309
He's like doing the same thing
Glen Campbell is."
1112
00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:38,007
I went, "No, I'm not really,
but kind of, you know?"
1113
00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:41,533
So, from then on,
he was proud and happy.
1114
00:51:41,707 --> 00:51:43,404
- ♪ No good ♪
- ♪ No good ♪
1115
00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:47,452
♪ No good, you're no good
You're no good ♪
1116
00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:52,892
♪ Baby, you're no ♪
1117
00:51:54,067 --> 00:51:56,765
♪ Good ♪
1118
00:51:56,939 --> 00:51:59,203
The road's arduous,
because it really--
1119
00:51:59,377 --> 00:52:01,596
They show us to play
such a gift, to get up
1120
00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:03,120
in front of people
and play music...
1121
00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:04,686
- Yes.
- ...and see that response.
1122
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:06,819
And that moment you're
on stage is so magic.
1123
00:52:06,993 --> 00:52:08,995
And then suddenly, you're on
an eight-hour bus ride going,
1124
00:52:09,169 --> 00:52:10,388
going,
"What do you want to watch?"
1125
00:52:10,562 --> 00:52:11,998
Well, it's been said
a lot of times
1126
00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:13,956
by a lot of people
that you don't get paid
1127
00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:15,828
for the hour and a half,
two hours you're on stage.
1128
00:52:16,002 --> 00:52:17,351
You get paid
for the other 22 hours.
1129
00:52:17,525 --> 00:52:19,136
Yeah.
- At least, an eight-hour drive
1130
00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:21,877
from one town to the next.
So, there'd be a poker game.
1131
00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:25,185
I stopped playing,
'cause I lost all the time.
1132
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:26,752
- Terrible poker player.
1133
00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:29,276
But Peter Asher
would win like mad.
1134
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:30,930
He's a great poker player.
1135
00:52:32,236 --> 00:52:33,846
And Linda would sometimes win,
1136
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:35,761
because she was
the soberest one playing.
1137
00:52:36,588 --> 00:52:39,373
My secret with winning a lot
was that I wasn't stoned.
1138
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,809
I was sober.
1139
00:52:42,202 --> 00:52:43,595
You play stoned too fucking bad.
1140
00:52:43,769 --> 00:52:45,597
You misread your hand.
Tough shit.
1141
00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:47,381
Linda got in the game one night.
1142
00:52:47,555 --> 00:52:49,514
And she was playing along,
playing away.
1143
00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,386
And she called her hand incorrectly.
1144
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,996
But nobody knew that.
1145
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:55,955
I get confused whether
a straight beat a flush.
1146
00:52:56,129 --> 00:52:57,217
You know, I had kept a little
list that I have
1147
00:52:57,391 --> 00:52:58,871
to keep what would be what.
1148
00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:01,308
I said, "I've got, you know,
two pairs," something like that.
1149
00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:02,483
And she says, "Oh, I fold."
1150
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:04,224
Then she goes,
"Oh, wait, wait, wait.
1151
00:53:04,398 --> 00:53:05,486
No, I've got three of a kind."
1152
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,053
I'd be-- I said, "Too late."
1153
00:53:07,445 --> 00:53:08,707
She goes, "No, no, no, come on,
Waddy. That's not fair."
1154
00:53:08,881 --> 00:53:09,795
I said, "Yes, it is.
1155
00:53:09,969 --> 00:53:11,013
You blew it."
1156
00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:15,975
And after, she goes,
"You know, I would have lost
1157
00:53:16,149 --> 00:53:17,846
all respect for you
if you'd given me that money."
1158
00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:20,675
"You would have, huh?
You actually respect me?"
1159
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:22,677
She goes, "Well, I don't know
about that, but..."
1160
00:53:24,113 --> 00:53:25,898
That was real family time
on that bus.
1161
00:53:26,072 --> 00:53:28,553
We did a lot of touring
for a lot of weeks together,
1162
00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,381
miles and miles in the buses.
1163
00:53:30,772 --> 00:53:33,601
Being on the road for
a significant period of time
1164
00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:36,169
gives you an opportunity
to become closer
1165
00:53:36,343 --> 00:53:38,345
with the members that you're
out on the road with,
1166
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,347
that become your road family.
1167
00:53:40,826 --> 00:53:44,482
You know, I have to say
that there's a period of time,
1168
00:53:44,786 --> 00:53:48,355
back in those days,
that it's a little foggy.
1169
00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:52,490
You can't take it.
1170
00:53:52,664 --> 00:53:55,188
And I'm gonna blame it on Waddy.
1171
00:53:55,928 --> 00:53:58,278
- It's Waddy's fault.
1172
00:53:58,452 --> 00:54:00,149
It's always funny,
you know, the things
1173
00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:02,587
that become important parts
of your touring life.
1174
00:54:02,848 --> 00:54:04,545
And so much of it is--
Is the things that don't have
1175
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,678
that don't have
anything to do with the gig.
1176
00:54:06,982 --> 00:54:10,159
'Cause everybody kind of goes,
"I don't remember that venue,
1177
00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,684
but God,
there was that great barbecue.
1178
00:54:12,858 --> 00:54:16,209
Oh, we're in Indianapolis.
Yeah, St. Elmo's Steak House.
1179
00:54:16,383 --> 00:54:19,125
Oh man, let's make--
Let's finish up sound check,
1180
00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:20,431
so we can go grab dinner there."
1181
00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:25,174
We were on the road
in Wheeling, West Virginia,
1182
00:54:25,871 --> 00:54:27,176
not a real cosmopolitan town.
1183
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,050
I got a call from one
of the guys in the band
1184
00:54:31,311 --> 00:54:33,357
saying, "Hey, man,
there's this strip club
1185
00:54:33,531 --> 00:54:35,010
right across the freeway.
1186
00:54:35,184 --> 00:54:36,577
And we're going over.
You want to go?"
1187
00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:37,752
I went,
"Nah, I don't want to go."
1188
00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:42,322
Then Linda called me, said,
"Anybody doing anything?"
1189
00:54:42,496 --> 00:54:44,498
"Well, yeah, the guys went over
to the strip club."
1190
00:54:44,933 --> 00:54:47,327
She goes, "Oh, I want to go."
I went, "You do?"
1191
00:54:50,461 --> 00:54:52,245
She goes, "Yeah, I want to go.
Will you take me there?"
1192
00:54:52,419 --> 00:54:53,899
I went,
"Sure, I'll take you, yeah."
1193
00:54:54,247 --> 00:54:55,379
So, we go there.
1194
00:54:55,553 --> 00:54:57,119
You got to run
across the freeway.
1195
00:54:57,511 --> 00:54:59,121
We walk in, and there's the
lady that wants to check
1196
00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:01,080
your IDs and stuff.
So, I just give her my ID.
1197
00:55:01,428 --> 00:55:03,822
And she looks at Linda,
and she goes, "I need your ID."
1198
00:55:04,257 --> 00:55:06,825
And Linda, she goes,
"Oh, I don't have any ID.
1199
00:55:06,999 --> 00:55:08,783
I don't have anything on me.
I don't have anything."
1200
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,177
And I'm looking at the lady
behind the-- In the booth
1201
00:55:11,351 --> 00:55:13,397
and I went,
"That's Linda Ronstadt."
1202
00:55:14,398 --> 00:55:16,095
And she goes,
"I still need some ID."
1203
00:55:16,269 --> 00:55:19,098
And I looked at Linda.
I went, "Sing something."
1204
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:20,447
And she goes...
1205
00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,667
♪ I'm going back someday ♪
1206
00:55:22,841 --> 00:55:25,887
The lady goes,
"All right, you can go in."
1207
00:55:26,888 --> 00:55:30,327
♪ To Blue Bayou ♪
1208
00:55:32,067 --> 00:55:34,722
♪ Where the folks are fun ♪
1209
00:55:34,896 --> 00:55:37,508
I just love the road.
I love walking out on the stage.
1210
00:55:37,682 --> 00:55:41,990
And I also love the idea
of playing a note live
1211
00:55:42,164 --> 00:55:43,775
and that note's done.
1212
00:55:44,036 --> 00:55:46,604
It's over with. It's gone out.
They've heard it.
1213
00:55:46,778 --> 00:55:48,736
You go in the studio,
you can hit that note,
1214
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:51,783
and they can scrutinize the hell
out of that for a week.
1215
00:55:51,957 --> 00:55:53,437
Playing,
"Oh, got to move it here,
1216
00:55:53,611 --> 00:55:55,352
got to move it there,
let's tune it."
1217
00:55:55,787 --> 00:55:57,615
I like the immediacy of live.
1218
00:55:57,789 --> 00:55:59,094
- So...
Yeah.
1219
00:55:59,268 --> 00:56:00,661
...you know,
I would do that any time.
1220
00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:05,318
Carole left James' touring band.
1221
00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:07,364
She wanted to stay home.
She had young kids.
1222
00:56:08,974 --> 00:56:11,716
I was at A&M
working on a project.
1223
00:56:12,107 --> 00:56:14,675
When I arrived to do this thing,
they had hired
1224
00:56:14,849 --> 00:56:17,548
a keyboard player for it
and his name was Craig Doerge.
1225
00:56:19,288 --> 00:56:21,203
And I hit it off with Craig immediately
1226
00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:22,770
and I contacted Peter Asher.
1227
00:56:22,944 --> 00:56:25,077
And I said,
"I think I found the guy
1228
00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:26,426
to replace Carole."
1229
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:30,387
So, the four of us
now are backing up James.
1230
00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:34,913
After we do the sound check
at whatever venue we were at,
1231
00:56:35,087 --> 00:56:36,610
James would come out
and he'd make sure it's right.
1232
00:56:36,784 --> 00:56:37,916
He could hear himself, guitar.
1233
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:40,092
And James wasn't
that enthusiastic
1234
00:56:40,266 --> 00:56:42,181
about doing long sound checks
or anything.
1235
00:56:42,355 --> 00:56:43,704
So, he'd come in,
do a line check,
1236
00:56:43,878 --> 00:56:45,271
play a couple of tunes, split.
1237
00:56:45,706 --> 00:56:47,926
And we were
just horny as hell to play.
1238
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,102
So, we just were jamming
all the time.
1239
00:56:50,668 --> 00:56:52,539
So, at one point,
Peter said, "Listen to this."
1240
00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:55,107
And he plays us a cassette
from the board
1241
00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:57,065
of our jams.
1242
00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,372
And we said,
"Wow, this is pretty good."
1243
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:04,029
And the next thing that
happens, James came up
1244
00:57:04,203 --> 00:57:05,509
with a name for it,
"The Section."
1245
00:57:05,857 --> 00:57:07,119
This is The Section,
1246
00:57:07,598 --> 00:57:09,034
and they're
gonna open up the show.
1247
00:57:19,174 --> 00:57:21,089
And next thing you know,
Peter went and got us
1248
00:57:21,263 --> 00:57:23,048
a record deal
with Warner Brothers.
1249
00:57:26,486 --> 00:57:29,054
And then he got us a tour
with the Mahavishnu Orchestra,
1250
00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:31,709
opening a Canadian tour
for them.
1251
00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:40,500
I think Warner Brothers
kind of signed us,
1252
00:57:40,761 --> 00:57:42,197
just because of our pedigree
1253
00:57:42,371 --> 00:57:44,069
and thought they were probably
gonna get Poco
1254
00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,637
or the Burrito Brothers
or the Eagles or something.
1255
00:57:46,941 --> 00:57:48,943
Next thing you know,
we handed them a band,
1256
00:57:49,117 --> 00:57:51,163
and they had no idea
what the hell to do with us.
1257
00:57:54,688 --> 00:57:58,475
We were playing pretty much
rock fusion instrumental music,
1258
00:57:59,388 --> 00:58:02,217
but we ended up with
an underground cult following.
1259
00:58:06,395 --> 00:58:07,658
It was wonderful.
But like everything,
1260
00:58:07,832 --> 00:58:08,963
you know, we get to a point
1261
00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:10,399
where everyone's
musical interests
1262
00:58:10,574 --> 00:58:12,097
were going
in separate directions.
1263
00:58:12,271 --> 00:58:16,493
And we did three records
and that was the course.
1264
00:58:27,765 --> 00:58:29,941
So, we did like a month,
month and a half of that.
1265
00:58:30,376 --> 00:58:32,987
We got back to LA
and then we had two weeks off.
1266
00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:34,554
In that two weeks,
we started rehearsing
1267
00:58:34,728 --> 00:58:36,121
with Jackson
to do Running on Empty.
1268
00:58:36,556 --> 00:58:38,253
Running on Empty,
and it was gonna be
1269
00:58:38,427 --> 00:58:40,125
like the live album,
but it's really you putting
1270
00:58:40,299 --> 00:58:42,823
all your best songs together
and some new songs.
1271
00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:47,480
I had been using Russ and Lee
on records in the studio.
1272
00:58:47,828 --> 00:58:51,179
So, to do a record on the road,
I wanted to have these guys,
1273
00:58:51,615 --> 00:58:54,182
'cause that was my guarantee
that it would sound good.
1274
00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,575
I was friends
and tight with Jackson.
1275
00:58:55,749 --> 00:58:57,142
I never toured with him.
1276
00:58:57,577 --> 00:58:58,839
And I think at some point,
listening to some
1277
00:58:59,013 --> 00:59:00,580
of the new songs,
I mentioned to him,
1278
00:59:00,885 --> 00:59:02,930
"Why don't you make this album
just all the new songs?"
1279
00:59:03,191 --> 00:59:05,890
"Oh, that's a good idea.
That's a really good idea."
1280
00:59:06,064 --> 00:59:08,196
We learned the tunes
really quickly and off we went.
1281
00:59:09,371 --> 00:59:10,895
♪ Looking out on the road ♪
1282
00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:12,636
♪ Rushing under my wheels ♪
1283
00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:14,246
I wanted to try
to give a feeling
1284
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:15,726
for what it was like
on the road.
1285
00:59:16,204 --> 00:59:18,598
♪ Looking back at the years
Going by ♪
1286
00:59:18,772 --> 00:59:20,774
♪ Like so many summer fields ♪
1287
00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:23,081
WithRunning on Empty,
it was like guerrilla touring.
1288
00:59:23,342 --> 00:59:25,692
♪ In '65 I was 17♪
1289
00:59:25,866 --> 00:59:27,868
Jackson had it in his head
that he wanted to record
1290
00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:29,566
on the bus with bus sounds.
1291
00:59:30,088 --> 00:59:31,785
So, we got on there,
set up two mics,
1292
00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,395
so Jackson and I
were facing each other.
1293
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,267
Russ was playing rushes
on a cardboard box
1294
00:59:35,441 --> 00:59:36,529
or something like that.
1295
00:59:37,704 --> 00:59:39,445
♪ Running on empty ♪
1296
00:59:39,619 --> 00:59:42,622
But we were all in our twenties.
Yeah, there was no sleeping.
1297
00:59:43,928 --> 00:59:45,582
Checking into a Holiday Inn
1298
00:59:45,843 --> 00:59:47,279
and taking the mattress
1299
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,150
and the box spring apart,
and leaning them
1300
00:59:49,324 --> 00:59:50,325
up against the wall,
and setting the drums up
1301
00:59:50,499 --> 00:59:51,892
in between them.
1302
00:59:52,066 --> 00:59:54,460
Jackson would be, like,
singing in the bathroom.
1303
00:59:58,769 --> 01:00:00,335
Jackson went back out
on another bus tour
1304
01:00:00,509 --> 01:00:01,989
to record bus sounds.
1305
01:00:02,381 --> 01:00:03,730
So, just him and Ladanyi
drove around for a while
1306
01:00:03,904 --> 01:00:05,906
to get...
...bus sounds.
1307
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,604
That's how nuts everyone was,
you know?
1308
01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:10,302
We did it
in a sound check,
1309
01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:11,608
just like it was
a recording session.
1310
01:00:11,782 --> 01:00:12,739
We figured out
what we would play,
1311
01:00:12,913 --> 01:00:13,827
and that night...
1312
01:00:17,265 --> 01:00:19,267
You know, when you listen
to most of that record now,
1313
01:00:19,441 --> 01:00:21,618
everybody's at the top
of their game.
1314
01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:26,231
Running on Empty
sounded like a train...
1315
01:00:27,536 --> 01:00:29,060
for night,
after night, after night.
1316
01:00:45,032 --> 01:00:46,381
Announcer 2:
I'm sure you can sense
1317
01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:50,516
the almost massive power
of that cry.
1318
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:56,609
Five, four, three, two, one.
Happy New Year!
1319
01:01:00,004 --> 01:01:02,397
Early '80s,
we were all working like crazy.
1320
01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:04,051
Yeah, that's what
the days were then.
1321
01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:05,618
It was either two
or three sessions a day.
1322
01:01:05,792 --> 01:01:06,880
Yeah.
1323
01:01:07,315 --> 01:01:10,188
So, the '80s were really
plentiful music working.
1324
01:01:10,536 --> 01:01:12,190
But the music changed
into the '80s.
1325
01:01:12,364 --> 01:01:13,321
Yeah.
1326
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,062
It just started to change.
1327
01:01:15,454 --> 01:01:17,151
And I think
we all kind of changed
1328
01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:19,110
a little bit, too.
I know for myself,
1329
01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:21,242
I started getting
into songwriting more
1330
01:01:21,416 --> 01:01:22,896
and started to produce
some records.
1331
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:24,419
And it was a time for me
1332
01:01:24,593 --> 01:01:26,334
- of reinventing yourself.
Yeah.
1333
01:01:26,508 --> 01:01:29,033
You know, because maybe
you do a couple tours,
1334
01:01:29,207 --> 01:01:31,862
but not as much as we did
in the '70s.
1335
01:01:32,036 --> 01:01:33,167
It was a transitional time
for all of us.
1336
01:01:33,341 --> 01:01:34,255
Yeah.
- Yeah.
1337
01:01:36,518 --> 01:01:38,303
A lot of things
were changing in the '80s.
1338
01:01:38,477 --> 01:01:39,957
You know, styles were changing.
1339
01:01:40,435 --> 01:01:42,220
The rock and the country rock
that had dominated the charts
1340
01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:44,048
in the '70s,
the whole West Coast sound,
1341
01:01:44,352 --> 01:01:46,180
there was a pushback
starting to happen.
1342
01:01:46,659 --> 01:01:49,749
When the '80s hit
and it became digital,
1343
01:01:49,923 --> 01:01:51,795
and the DX7 and all that hit,
1344
01:01:51,969 --> 01:01:53,971
and suddenly, guys weren't
getting hired for work,
1345
01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:56,495
because somebody
was doing it on synth.
1346
01:01:56,756 --> 01:01:57,975
They were calling me, going,
1347
01:01:58,236 --> 01:02:00,238
"If you hear of any tours, man."
1348
01:02:00,542 --> 01:02:03,807
And I would go, "You know,
those seats are covered."
1349
01:02:04,111 --> 01:02:06,200
I saw studios closing down in LA
1350
01:02:06,374 --> 01:02:08,725
and I just saw things shifting.
Drum machines came out.
1351
01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,030
A lot of things were changing.
1352
01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:11,728
And at one point, I said,
1353
01:02:11,989 --> 01:02:13,294
"Is this the end
of rock and roll?
1354
01:02:13,468 --> 01:02:15,035
Is this the end?"
1355
01:02:15,209 --> 01:02:17,211
That's one small
step for man...
1356
01:02:18,647 --> 01:02:21,215
one giant leap for mankind.
1357
01:02:23,478 --> 01:02:25,567
The next thing
that happened was MTV.
1358
01:02:25,959 --> 01:02:27,831
And as soon as it came on,
we had it on all day
1359
01:02:28,005 --> 01:02:29,615
and all night,
all of us, everyone,
1360
01:02:29,789 --> 01:02:33,227
and not just people I knew,
everyone had it on, 24-7.
1361
01:02:33,662 --> 01:02:35,839
And it brought excitement,
it brought interest
1362
01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:37,666
and excitement back
to popular music.
1363
01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:41,192
Kootch decided to go
in the direction of writing
1364
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:43,672
and production.
He was not the studio guy.
1365
01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:45,500
He had his thing that he did.
1366
01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:49,200
And when they wanted that thing,
there was nobody better.
1367
01:02:50,636 --> 01:02:53,726
In 1981, I was adrift.
The Eagles had broken up.
1368
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,250
I was never expecting
to have a solo career.
1369
01:02:57,208 --> 01:02:59,776
And I didn't really know
what I was gonna do next.
1370
01:03:00,820 --> 01:03:02,604
Peter and his then-wife, Betsy,
1371
01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:04,171
had thrown
this Fourth of July party.
1372
01:03:04,345 --> 01:03:06,347
I think it was
the Fourth of July, 1981.
1373
01:03:06,521 --> 01:03:10,656
And Danny was there.
And that's when he and I bonded.
1374
01:03:11,526 --> 01:03:14,399
And he started encouraging me
to make a record.
1375
01:03:15,443 --> 01:03:16,793
Don calls.
He says, "Come on up."
1376
01:03:17,141 --> 01:03:18,838
I went up there and started,
you know,
1377
01:03:19,012 --> 01:03:21,406
ran some ideas past him.
And he ran some ideas past me.
1378
01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:23,016
After a couple of hours,
he says, "So,
1379
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:25,627
you want to work
on this album with me?"
1380
01:03:26,454 --> 01:03:28,674
"Absolutely." I think
that he realized he wanted to go
1381
01:03:28,848 --> 01:03:30,719
a total different direction
than the Eagles,
1382
01:03:31,068 --> 01:03:32,809
which is why he called me,
1383
01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:35,246
'cause I don't have
any Eagles stuff in me.
1384
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:37,117
I just don't do that.
1385
01:03:37,291 --> 01:03:39,076
And at that point,
that's when I stopped touring
1386
01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:40,729
and stopped doing sessions.
1387
01:03:40,991 --> 01:03:43,123
Danny started bringing me
pieces of music
1388
01:03:43,297 --> 01:03:44,211
that he had worked on.
1389
01:03:45,386 --> 01:03:47,562
One of the great things
about working with Henley
1390
01:03:47,736 --> 01:03:49,826
was that any time
a new piece of gear came out,
1391
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,132
Don would turn
to his aide-de-camp, Tony Tavy,
1392
01:03:52,306 --> 01:03:53,481
and say, "Tony, get one."
1393
01:03:54,004 --> 01:03:55,919
A day later, two days later,
it shows up.
1394
01:03:56,354 --> 01:03:58,704
So, one night, I'm banging away
on my Farfisa organ.
1395
01:03:58,878 --> 01:04:00,837
I think we had the first one
in the country.
1396
01:04:01,011 --> 01:04:02,360
And one of the sounds
was something called
1397
01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:03,709
"sample and hold."
1398
01:04:04,014 --> 01:04:07,669
You press the key.
1399
01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:09,976
So, I took that, and I went,
"Hmm, that's interesting.
1400
01:04:10,237 --> 01:04:11,412
What's happens
if you slow it down?"
1401
01:04:14,676 --> 01:04:16,504
I took that,
ran it through a fuzz tone.
1402
01:04:18,811 --> 01:04:20,204
I ran it
through an Echoplex.
1403
01:04:22,815 --> 01:04:24,904
And I went,
"Oh, wow, this is fun."
1404
01:04:27,254 --> 01:04:31,041
♪ I make my living
Off the evening news ♪
1405
01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:35,784
♪ Just give me something
Something I can use ♪
1406
01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:37,699
I knew he wanted to write
a song called "Dirty Laundry."
1407
01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:39,658
That was one of the first things
he talked about with me.
1408
01:04:40,441 --> 01:04:42,661
I started playing the music
that you hear on record.
1409
01:04:45,011 --> 01:04:46,404
There's a knock on the door.
1410
01:04:46,578 --> 01:04:48,145
It's like 1:00,
1:30 in the morning.
1411
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:49,450
And it's Jackson.
1412
01:04:49,929 --> 01:04:53,498
I said, "Take this, man."
1413
01:04:53,672 --> 01:04:54,934
I started playing him,
1414
01:04:55,369 --> 01:04:56,414
you know,
the music to "Dirty Laundry."
1415
01:04:57,154 --> 01:04:59,591
He goes, "Well, that's it?
Just that over and over again?"
1416
01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:00,766
I said, "Yes."
1417
01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,902
It's a combination
of an ass-shaker
1418
01:05:06,076 --> 01:05:07,816
with a message on top of it.
1419
01:05:08,252 --> 01:05:09,557
♪ Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up ♪
1420
01:05:09,731 --> 01:05:11,037
♪ Kick 'em when they're down ♪
1421
01:05:11,472 --> 01:05:12,909
When I was working with Henley,
1422
01:05:13,083 --> 01:05:14,388
I used to realize,
that if I come up
1423
01:05:14,562 --> 01:05:16,303
with a good idea,
we're gonna record it.
1424
01:05:16,477 --> 01:05:18,479
If he likes it
and can sing to it,
1425
01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:20,612
bang, we're in the studio
and we're starting to do it.
1426
01:05:21,134 --> 01:05:23,006
Whereas in the old days,
you would go into the studio
1427
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:25,138
with a song
that was completely finished,
1428
01:05:25,965 --> 01:05:27,880
we just sort of made it up
as we went along.
1429
01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:31,144
And we did some songs
that he wrote by himself.
1430
01:05:31,318 --> 01:05:33,364
I mean, I didn't write
"All She Wants to Do Is Dance."
1431
01:05:33,538 --> 01:05:35,279
He wrote that whole song.
1432
01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:38,282
♪ They mix 'em up
Right in the kitchen sink ♪
1433
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:41,589
♪ All she wants to
do is dance ♪
1434
01:05:41,763 --> 01:05:43,417
Started writing
the words very quickly.
1435
01:05:43,591 --> 01:05:46,551
I wrote all the lyrics
in about ten, 15 minutes.
1436
01:05:47,378 --> 01:05:49,206
So, then of course,
we were in the studio,
1437
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,642
I went down
and played it for Don
1438
01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:52,383
and sang what I had on it.
1439
01:05:52,557 --> 01:05:53,645
He said, "Oh, that's great,
we got to record it."
1440
01:05:53,819 --> 01:05:55,386
♪ Ain't afraid to die ♪
1441
01:05:55,908 --> 01:05:59,868
♪ All she wants to do is
All she wants to do is dance ♪
1442
01:06:00,043 --> 01:06:02,175
When you listen
to the Don Henley records,
1443
01:06:02,349 --> 01:06:04,786
The Boys of Summer
and The End of the Innocence,
1444
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:06,614
and all that stuff,
those horn sounds
1445
01:06:06,788 --> 01:06:08,355
that he did
with that synth guitar,
1446
01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:10,227
just, like, mind boggling.
1447
01:06:11,489 --> 01:06:12,881
One day, I'm on the 101
1448
01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:14,361
and I'm kind of stuck
in traffic.
1449
01:06:14,753 --> 01:06:16,581
This kid next to me,
he's got the windows open
1450
01:06:16,755 --> 01:06:18,626
and "All She Wants
to Do Is Dance" is blasting
1451
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,976
out of the radio.
1452
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,281
And this kid
is banging his head to it.
1453
01:06:21,716 --> 01:06:23,196
And that was one
of the highlights
1454
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:25,590
of my life, really,
is watching somebody else
1455
01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:27,157
groove to something I did.
1456
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:30,682
The thing with technology...
1457
01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:33,946
is until you learn it,
it's terrifying
1458
01:06:34,555 --> 01:06:35,817
and it's threatening.
1459
01:06:36,601 --> 01:06:39,908
The musicians either embraced
going forward
1460
01:06:40,083 --> 01:06:43,956
with new technologies
or didn't work as much.
1461
01:06:44,217 --> 01:06:47,873
The sounds that got created
from the technology
1462
01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:51,964
influenced both the writing
and the production.
1463
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:54,140
And so,
you were either part of it
1464
01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:55,359
or you weren't working.
1465
01:06:55,794 --> 01:06:57,665
Neil had heard
the Don Henley stuff
1466
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,798
that I was working on
and a lot of synthesizers
1467
01:06:59,972 --> 01:07:00,973
and different stuff.
1468
01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,846
I knew him and I saw him
with his band at Farm Aid.
1469
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:08,850
It's a big band sound
with a lot of synthesizers.
1470
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:10,330
You know, it impressed me.
1471
01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:11,853
So, he wanted to call me in,
because he felt
1472
01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,291
I knew about that stuff,
which I kind of did.
1473
01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,771
The other guy I called
was the great Steve Jordan.
1474
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,078
Steve and I, and Neil,
bashed along
1475
01:07:19,252 --> 01:07:23,126
with this synth parts,
his little Synclavier parts
1476
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:24,518
that he'd already put together.
1477
01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:27,086
And we made this album,
Landing on Water.
1478
01:07:27,695 --> 01:07:30,307
And then we'd get
something going on a Synclavier
1479
01:07:30,481 --> 01:07:33,092
and I'd, you know,
program a bunch of shit into it.
1480
01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:35,355
It was both like
they were showing off
1481
01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:36,878
their bag of toys.
1482
01:07:37,227 --> 01:07:38,924
You know, it's like,
"Look what I've been doing."
1483
01:07:39,098 --> 01:07:41,274
And "Oh, well, check this out.
I got this and I got this."
1484
01:07:41,535 --> 01:07:45,409
And then we put that on
and then Kootch and Steve
1485
01:07:45,583 --> 01:07:47,802
would play with that
and I might sing with it.
1486
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,154
♪ Weight of the world ♪
1487
01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:56,898
That record is a really
memorable record for me.
1488
01:07:57,377 --> 01:07:59,727
He's not here, right? We
don't want to talk about him.
1489
01:07:59,988 --> 01:08:01,512
No, you can talk
all you want about him.
1490
01:08:04,341 --> 01:08:05,690
I'm telling you,
I think it's great.
1491
01:08:05,864 --> 01:08:08,693
That's one of the absolute
greatest albums
1492
01:08:08,867 --> 01:08:11,957
that I ever worked on
as a musician or a producer.
1493
01:08:12,392 --> 01:08:13,828
Loved every minute of it.
1494
01:08:14,394 --> 01:08:17,484
In 1980, I signed a
record contract with Atlantic.
1495
01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:20,226
And so, then Waddy came back
into my life.
1496
01:08:21,358 --> 01:08:22,880
The guitar part
on "Edge of Seventeen,"
1497
01:08:23,055 --> 01:08:24,665
when I first heard it
in the studio
1498
01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:26,624
in the demo
that we learned the song from,
1499
01:08:26,798 --> 01:08:28,755
the guitar part
was being done with an echo.
1500
01:08:29,235 --> 01:08:31,324
"I'm not doing that.
It's punk shit."
1501
01:08:31,585 --> 01:08:33,196
Jimmy Iovine went,
1502
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:34,631
"What do you mean
you're not gonna do that?"
1503
01:08:35,371 --> 01:08:35,633
And I said, "Well, I'm gonna
do it like, you know, this."
1504
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:44,207
♪ And the days go by
Like a strand in the wind ♪
1505
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:45,337
♪ In the web that is my own ♪
1506
01:08:45,512 --> 01:08:46,644
When we heard it back,
1507
01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:48,646
it was like this kind of more
physical animal version
1508
01:08:48,819 --> 01:08:50,778
of the thing
that Stevie had going.
1509
01:08:50,952 --> 01:08:53,389
♪ Everything stopped
Nothing else matters ♪
1510
01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:56,306
And it was cut, it was done.
It was finished.
1511
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,395
And everybody was like,
"Well, that was great."
1512
01:08:58,656 --> 01:09:03,703
♪ He was no more
Than a baby then ♪
1513
01:09:03,878 --> 01:09:05,184
So, I didn't think about
1514
01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:08,187
how physically demanding
it was going to become.
1515
01:09:08,361 --> 01:09:10,842
When we got out on the road,
it would go for like
1516
01:09:11,799 --> 01:09:13,192
14, 15 minutes long.
1517
01:09:13,366 --> 01:09:14,541
I mean, I would do it
five minutes before
1518
01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:15,846
she'd even come out on stage.
1519
01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:20,982
And we get to rehearsals
and we'd start doing the song.
1520
01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:22,723
And I'm going, "Ow."
1521
01:09:23,724 --> 01:09:25,422
So, now whenever we go
on the road,
1522
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:27,728
I'm in my room for about a week
and a half, just doing that.
1523
01:09:28,728 --> 01:09:29,991
I got to be looking good.
1524
01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:31,384
I can't be crying
like a baby going,
1525
01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:32,733
"We got to stop now."
1526
01:09:33,255 --> 01:09:35,562
♪ Her lips
A sweet surprise ♪
1527
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:39,783
♪ Her hands are never cold ♪
1528
01:09:40,827 --> 01:09:42,178
♪ She's got Bette Davis eyes ♪
1529
01:09:42,526 --> 01:09:45,137
Waddy, for example,
as a guitar player,
1530
01:09:45,442 --> 01:09:47,966
is one of the most solid rhythm
1531
01:09:48,139 --> 01:09:49,446
guitar players
I've ever worked with.
1532
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:51,187
I mean,
you want an eighth note guitar
1533
01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:53,450
or something, there is nobody
that plays eighth notes
1534
01:09:53,624 --> 01:09:55,016
better than Waddy Wachtel.
1535
01:09:55,713 --> 01:09:58,281
♪ She got Bette Davis eyes ♪
1536
01:09:58,455 --> 01:10:00,326
Niko called me
to come out
1537
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:02,633
and play on this song called,
"Oh Sherrie" by Steve Perry.
1538
01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:04,287
I said, "Sure, yeah."
1539
01:10:04,809 --> 01:10:06,853
So, I went out to Record One
and laid down the eighth notes
1540
01:10:07,028 --> 01:10:08,594
for the basic rhythm track.
1541
01:10:08,769 --> 01:10:15,080
♪ Oh, Sherrie
Oh, oh, hold on ♪
1542
01:10:15,254 --> 01:10:16,516
So, I did that.
1543
01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:18,126
And they said,
"Okay, that's great, man.
1544
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,563
Thanks a lot." I went,
1545
01:10:19,998 --> 01:10:21,391
"What do you mean, 'Thanks'?
Wait a minute, what?
1546
01:10:22,043 --> 01:10:23,610
What do you mean?
What are you talking about?
1547
01:10:23,784 --> 01:10:26,918
What about the section?
What about the solo section?"
1548
01:10:27,832 --> 01:10:30,791
And Niko goes, "No, he's gonna,
like, put a saxophone there."
1549
01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:32,097
I went, "No, he's not."
1550
01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:34,142
He goes, "What?"
1551
01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,710
I said, "He's not putting
a saxophone there."
1552
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,887
I said, "Play the fucking tape.
I know what should go there."
1553
01:10:49,419 --> 01:10:51,334
And Steve came in
and just went out of his mind.
1554
01:10:51,682 --> 01:10:54,337
He went, "What? What's that?"
1555
01:10:54,598 --> 01:10:57,818
I said, "That's your solo."
He goes, "Oh man, that's great."
1556
01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,475
You want a solo
that you'll never forget?
1557
01:11:02,648 --> 01:11:05,913
The solo in, "Oh Sherrie,"
the solo in "Only the Lonely,"
1558
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:09,612
all these solos that he plays
are, like, memorable.
1559
01:11:10,309 --> 01:11:13,443
♪ But that time I saw you ♪
1560
01:11:13,617 --> 01:11:17,055
♪ I knew with you
To light my nights ♪
1561
01:11:17,228 --> 01:11:19,579
And then we went
on tour in Europe.
1562
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,014
And we got to England
1563
01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:22,407
And played the Old Vic,
the theater.
1564
01:11:23,017 --> 01:11:25,237
And after the show,
we go downstairs
1565
01:11:25,411 --> 01:11:26,673
where the dressing rooms were.
1566
01:11:26,847 --> 01:11:28,284
And there's Keith Richards
standing there.
1567
01:11:28,458 --> 01:11:29,850
And I was just like, "Whoa."
1568
01:11:30,416 --> 01:11:31,591
And I walked up to him
1569
01:11:31,764 --> 01:11:33,505
and I went,
"Wow, a Rolling Stone."
1570
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,639
I said, "And we're
the same height. I like that."
1571
01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:37,771
And he goes, "Hey, man,
good to meet you."
1572
01:11:38,511 --> 01:11:39,904
We got on right away.
1573
01:11:40,077 --> 01:11:41,297
We spent
a bunch of days together.
1574
01:11:41,775 --> 01:11:44,430
The next thing
that cropped up was,
1575
01:11:44,603 --> 01:11:46,824
"Hey, Keith, you know,
the Stones are not gonna be
1576
01:11:46,998 --> 01:11:50,088
doing much for a year or two."
I realized that,
1577
01:11:50,262 --> 01:11:51,655
"Hey, now, I ain't gonna
1578
01:11:51,829 --> 01:11:53,134
fucking sit around doing
nothing while
1579
01:11:53,309 --> 01:11:55,353
Mick decides what to do.
1580
01:11:55,876 --> 01:11:56,921
Okay...
1581
01:11:58,531 --> 01:12:00,184
I'm gonna put a band
together now."
1582
01:12:01,142 --> 01:12:05,277
When Keith and I
were putting the band together,
1583
01:12:05,712 --> 01:12:09,673
the first person
we thought of was Waddy.
1584
01:12:09,847 --> 01:12:11,239
Waddy Wachtel.
1585
01:12:11,805 --> 01:12:13,329
I mean, that's who
I want to play with.
1586
01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:17,898
Living down in Venice,
1587
01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:19,117
and I get this phone call
one day,
1588
01:12:19,422 --> 01:12:22,294
British lawyer.
"Hello, Waddy?" "Yeah."
1589
01:12:22,468 --> 01:12:24,209
And he goes, "I'm such and such.
1590
01:12:24,383 --> 01:12:26,210
I represent
Keith Richards and...
1591
01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:28,692
he's trying to find you."
1592
01:12:29,823 --> 01:12:30,781
I said, "Oh, really?
1593
01:12:31,564 --> 01:12:32,913
Well, you found me.
1594
01:12:33,087 --> 01:12:34,175
Why don't you give him
my phone number?"
1595
01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:35,655
As soon as I found out
1596
01:12:35,829 --> 01:12:37,831
that Waddy,
like, jumped at the idea,
1597
01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:39,311
and so, suddenly, we had...
1598
01:12:40,921 --> 01:12:42,575
you know, the Winos.
1599
01:12:42,835 --> 01:12:45,796
- ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
1600
01:12:45,969 --> 01:12:49,713
♪ Shouldn't take it
Shouldn't take it so hard ♪
1601
01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:54,630
- ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
1602
01:12:54,805 --> 01:12:57,851
Keith loves
what he calls, "the scrub."
1603
01:12:58,330 --> 01:13:01,768
So, basically, like, he had
the scrub with Brian Jones.
1604
01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:04,945
He had the weave
with Mick Taylor.
1605
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:07,469
They didn't
have to talk about anything.
1606
01:13:07,773 --> 01:13:09,602
The scrub and the weave
1607
01:13:09,862 --> 01:13:11,735
were there instantly,
just add water.
1608
01:13:11,909 --> 01:13:13,476
You know, it was crazy.
1609
01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:17,175
I mean, the thing is,
when guys working together,
1610
01:13:17,915 --> 01:13:20,352
the wonder of it was when
you're looking at each other
1611
01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:24,835
as the take ends, you know,
and you're going, like...
1612
01:13:25,009 --> 01:13:27,490
You get that dopey look
on your face, and you go,
1613
01:13:28,228 --> 01:13:29,448
"Yeah."
1614
01:13:29,883 --> 01:13:31,755
And like, Waddy and I
are kind of like that.
1615
01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:33,191
"Yeah."
1616
01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:36,193
You know, and that's the shit,
as we call it.
1617
01:13:36,368 --> 01:13:39,545
- ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
1618
01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:41,504
♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪
1619
01:13:41,678 --> 01:13:42,853
Waddy's a brilliant producer,
1620
01:13:43,244 --> 01:13:45,029
a brilliant player
and a producer.
1621
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:46,813
Got to produce
several good albums.
1622
01:13:47,248 --> 01:13:48,815
Gilby Clarke is one.
1623
01:13:48,989 --> 01:13:50,904
And then The Church
came along with Greg,
1624
01:13:51,077 --> 01:13:52,471
my partner Greg Ladanyi.
1625
01:13:53,124 --> 01:13:55,213
I watched enough producers
and been involved
1626
01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:58,259
in enough sessions that I felt
that I could do that.
1627
01:13:58,737 --> 01:14:03,395
I had the great opportunity
to produce six albums
1628
01:14:03,568 --> 01:14:06,529
with Jimmy Buffett
and play live with him,
1629
01:14:06,964 --> 01:14:08,400
co-write songs with him.
1630
01:14:09,401 --> 01:14:11,664
The first album
that I produced for Jimmy
1631
01:14:11,838 --> 01:14:14,406
was an album called Fruitcakes.
1632
01:14:14,841 --> 01:14:18,062
And we recorded it
at Compass Point Studios
1633
01:14:18,236 --> 01:14:20,499
in Nassau in the Bahamas.
1634
01:14:20,673 --> 01:14:22,675
And Jimmy asked me
to go to lunch with him.
1635
01:14:22,849 --> 01:14:25,199
And we had a lunch
of conch chowder
1636
01:14:25,373 --> 01:14:26,723
and conch fritters.
1637
01:14:27,288 --> 01:14:28,768
And we went for a walk
on the beach.
1638
01:14:29,246 --> 01:14:30,727
And we're walking down
the beach.
1639
01:14:30,901 --> 01:14:33,643
And he said,
"Russi, I only have one rule."
1640
01:14:33,817 --> 01:14:35,818
And I said,
"Bubba, what's that?"
1641
01:14:35,993 --> 01:14:39,692
And he said, "If it ain't fun,
I ain't doing it."
1642
01:14:40,476 --> 01:14:42,347
♪ Now, I don't know ♪
1643
01:14:43,696 --> 01:14:45,350
♪ I don't know ♪
1644
01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:48,745
♪ I don't know
Where I'm a-gonna go ♪
1645
01:14:48,919 --> 01:14:50,573
♪ When the volcano blow ♪
1646
01:14:51,225 --> 01:14:52,313
He would be there,
1647
01:14:52,966 --> 01:14:54,620
and he would sing a guide vocal
while we were tracking it.
1648
01:14:54,794 --> 01:14:56,666
And then once we got the track,
I would have him go
1649
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,929
in the vocal booth
and just have him sing the song
1650
01:14:59,103 --> 01:15:00,452
three times through,
straight through
1651
01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:01,714
without stopping him.
1652
01:15:02,236 --> 01:15:03,455
And he would go fishing.
1653
01:15:03,716 --> 01:15:06,502
So, you know,
he loved the process.
1654
01:15:12,682 --> 01:15:15,641
♪ If you do anything wrong
It's gonna get worse ♪
1655
01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,164
♪ If he waits too long ♪
1656
01:15:17,773 --> 01:15:19,210
♪ Billy ♪
1657
01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,125
♪ Billy, don't you lose
my number ♪
1658
01:15:21,299 --> 01:15:24,258
By the time
it came around to about '84...
1659
01:15:25,608 --> 01:15:28,871
I was doing what was to become
No Jacket Required.
1660
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:31,962
So, I wanted to make
more of a dancy album.
1661
01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:34,530
And you know,
he was the guy I called.
1662
01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:36,443
♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪
1663
01:15:37,445 --> 01:15:39,404
♪ That I can find you ♪
1664
01:15:39,577 --> 01:15:43,974
Unbeknownst to myself,
and with no premeditation,
1665
01:15:44,148 --> 01:15:48,500
I ended up with a style
and a sound that work.
1666
01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:57,074
When recording it, I've never
been afraid of the red light.
1667
01:15:57,248 --> 01:15:58,771
I kind of look at that
as like a bull
1668
01:15:58,945 --> 01:16:00,207
looking at a red cave.
1669
01:16:00,512 --> 01:16:01,905
Some guys choke
when that red light comes on.
1670
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:03,862
They're playing their butts off
and doing it.
1671
01:16:04,037 --> 01:16:05,517
And as soon
as that light comes on, man,
1672
01:16:05,691 --> 01:16:08,259
they're, like, stumbling
'cause it's intimidating.
1673
01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:10,827
You've got to get the goods,
right at that moment.
1674
01:16:11,001 --> 01:16:15,135
♪ Now, Billy, Billy
Don't you lose my number ♪
1675
01:16:16,005 --> 01:16:17,616
♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪
1676
01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:19,357
When he was playing
for Phil Collins,
1677
01:16:19,923 --> 01:16:21,228
he was the best bass player
there was.
1678
01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:23,535
He is. He's that good.
1679
01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:27,017
♪ Billy, Billy
Don't you lose my number ♪
1680
01:16:28,148 --> 01:16:30,281
♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪
1681
01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:33,632
I was signed
to MCA Records.
1682
01:16:33,806 --> 01:16:36,896
I worked with a wonderful group
of musicians from Phoenix.
1683
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:39,550
And Bowen called me
in his office, and he said,
1684
01:16:39,725 --> 01:16:41,597
"I know you want
to use your guys
1685
01:16:41,771 --> 01:16:44,077
on this recording,
but if you had a chance
1686
01:16:44,251 --> 01:16:46,471
to work with Leland Sklar,
1687
01:16:46,993 --> 01:16:48,255
why wouldn't you?"
1688
01:16:48,734 --> 01:16:50,823
And wow, you know,
what an education it was
1689
01:16:50,996 --> 01:16:52,695
to work with Leland Sklar
for the first time.
1690
01:16:52,869 --> 01:16:55,349
And to play with Russ
and Leland together,
1691
01:16:55,827 --> 01:16:58,048
you know, I felt I was--
1692
01:16:58,309 --> 01:17:01,225
You know, that took me back
to those days in high school
1693
01:17:01,398 --> 01:17:04,402
when I was telling my friends,
you know, who played bass
1694
01:17:04,576 --> 01:17:06,534
and who played drums
on those James Taylor records.
1695
01:17:07,144 --> 01:17:10,930
I learned a lot about
how to start producing
1696
01:17:11,103 --> 01:17:12,758
from Danny in a lot of ways.
1697
01:17:12,932 --> 01:17:14,717
And so just doing
kind of what I learned
1698
01:17:14,891 --> 01:17:16,327
from Danny by matching a song,
1699
01:17:16,501 --> 01:17:17,763
coming up with
a new arrangement of it.
1700
01:17:17,937 --> 01:17:19,460
And connecting it
with an artist,
1701
01:17:19,635 --> 01:17:21,637
- but that's all your fault.
Yeah.
1702
01:17:25,466 --> 01:17:27,643
Ego goes out the window,
'cause if you come in
1703
01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:30,820
with an ego, you're not doing
what you're supposed to be.
1704
01:17:30,994 --> 01:17:32,648
Well, I'm not sure that's true.
I have a huge ego,
1705
01:17:32,822 --> 01:17:33,952
as well you know.
1706
01:17:34,214 --> 01:17:35,825
We would have our differences.
1707
01:17:35,999 --> 01:17:39,611
You know, we would get
into disagreements sometimes.
1708
01:17:39,785 --> 01:17:41,482
I got fired three
or four times...
1709
01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:43,659
...over the course
of the three hours we made.
1710
01:17:43,833 --> 01:17:46,705
And he would occasionally do
1711
01:17:46,879 --> 01:17:49,012
one of his little rants
and then, you know,
1712
01:17:49,186 --> 01:17:50,796
you'd let him get it out
and get it over with.
1713
01:17:50,969 --> 01:17:52,537
After a week
or a month or something,
1714
01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:55,452
he'd call up and go,
"Well, let's get back to work."
1715
01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:57,063
So, that's what we would do.
1716
01:17:57,498 --> 01:17:58,585
You had to be careful
with Danny.
1717
01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:00,327
Oh, Kootch was opinionated.
1718
01:18:00,501 --> 01:18:02,503
One of the most
opinionated persons I ever met.
1719
01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:05,332
And it suits him,
you know, that he never has
1720
01:18:05,505 --> 01:18:06,986
a moment's doubt...
...you know?
1721
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,509
Even if he did play
a wrong note,
1722
01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,295
you'd never know it,
because it would be
1723
01:18:11,469 --> 01:18:13,818
completed with
a gesture of bravado.
1724
01:18:13,993 --> 01:18:15,429
There are guys more opinionated,
1725
01:18:15,603 --> 01:18:18,693
but not as right
about what they think.
1726
01:18:18,955 --> 01:18:22,436
And I think
that makes Kootch what he is.
1727
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:25,483
And is-- That same confidence
comes across
1728
01:18:25,657 --> 01:18:26,876
in his playing, you know?
1729
01:18:27,485 --> 01:18:28,878
No, he just wanted it
to be good.
1730
01:18:29,052 --> 01:18:30,793
You know, he was like
the rest of those guys.
1731
01:18:30,967 --> 01:18:32,838
They were there for the song
and for the music.
1732
01:18:33,012 --> 01:18:36,407
And the finished product is what
they wanted it to be the best
1733
01:18:36,581 --> 01:18:37,755
it could be.
1734
01:18:38,539 --> 01:18:40,933
I started producing Don Henley
and that changed my entire life.
1735
01:18:43,675 --> 01:18:46,025
Leland had experiences
working with Phil Collins
1736
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,463
and Danny had experiences
of working with Don Henley.
1737
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:51,727
You know, Waddy had experiences
working with Warren
1738
01:18:51,901 --> 01:18:53,380
on the road and stuff.
1739
01:18:53,554 --> 01:18:55,731
So, we split up sometimes,
but we would always
1740
01:18:55,905 --> 01:18:58,210
get back together
for certain projects.
1741
01:18:58,385 --> 01:19:00,910
♪ I'm so proud of my name ♪
1742
01:19:01,432 --> 01:19:03,347
♪ And you know where I am ♪
1743
01:19:03,521 --> 01:19:07,219
The Troubadour
reunion tour, James and Carole.
1744
01:19:07,568 --> 01:19:10,223
And now, for a long time,
1745
01:19:10,397 --> 01:19:12,660
I hadn't played
with Russ and Lee.
1746
01:19:13,139 --> 01:19:14,487
And then I was astonished
that this thing
1747
01:19:14,662 --> 01:19:16,012
actually came together.
1748
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,709
We went
and started playing this music
1749
01:19:17,883 --> 01:19:19,580
and it was like
we had played it last week.
1750
01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:26,370
♪ Really
All you gotta do is call ♪
1751
01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:31,418
♪ And I will be there
Yeah, yes, I'll be there ♪
1752
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:33,898
"You've Got a Friend."
1753
01:19:34,378 --> 01:19:36,162
I turned around,
I looked out at the audience,
1754
01:19:36,902 --> 01:19:39,687
and I'd never seen anything
like that in my life.
1755
01:19:39,862 --> 01:19:42,516
These are mothers and daughters
embracing each other,
1756
01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:44,344
couples embracing each other.
1757
01:19:44,518 --> 01:19:46,085
They're in tears, man.
1758
01:19:46,651 --> 01:19:49,175
And then I realized
what this meant to people,
1759
01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:51,568
what this music that we did
meant to people.
1760
01:19:51,916 --> 01:19:54,572
When I went and saw you guys
with James...
1761
01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,706
was the first time
when I sort of,
1762
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,318
the light bulb went off
on what the rhythm section
1763
01:20:01,971 --> 01:20:03,320
could do,
'cause I always thought
1764
01:20:03,494 --> 01:20:04,974
I was gonna focus on James.
1765
01:20:05,148 --> 01:20:07,803
And I ended up listening
to three of you all night.
1766
01:20:07,977 --> 01:20:11,850
And the light bulb went off on,
"That's what they're doing."
1767
01:20:12,023 --> 01:20:14,722
Like, that's why you need
a good rhythm section.
1768
01:20:14,897 --> 01:20:17,160
- Love you, Steve.
1769
01:20:17,334 --> 01:20:18,901
But now,
I know that I was wrong.
1770
01:20:19,075 --> 01:20:20,337
That stuck with you.
1771
01:20:20,511 --> 01:20:21,991
Now, I know I was just mistaken.
1772
01:20:22,165 --> 01:20:24,036
[chuckles] Yeah, right.
1773
01:20:24,297 --> 01:20:25,690
It was the moment
when I was like,
1774
01:20:25,864 --> 01:20:27,518
"I want to write songs,
1775
01:20:27,692 --> 01:20:29,955
but I also wanna
be able to do that
1776
01:20:30,129 --> 01:20:31,043
and understand that."
1777
01:20:32,784 --> 01:20:34,394
So, then I started learning
1778
01:20:34,568 --> 01:20:37,353
all of Danny's parts
instead of James' parts.
1779
01:20:38,094 --> 01:20:40,183
Skip ahead 30 years
or whatever,
1780
01:20:40,531 --> 01:20:43,534
I met Danny at the Troubadour,
introduced myself,
1781
01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:45,666
and we stayed in touch.
1782
01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:50,280
And I think it was a year later,
maybe two, when he came out
1783
01:20:50,454 --> 01:20:52,237
for this New Year's Eve party
with mutual friends.
1784
01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:55,067
The friends said, "Hey, you
guys both play the guitar.
1785
01:20:55,241 --> 01:20:56,634
You should play for us."
1786
01:20:56,808 --> 01:20:57,983
So,
we grabbed a couple of guitars
1787
01:20:58,157 --> 01:21:00,246
and we played for everybody.
1788
01:21:01,378 --> 01:21:03,162
Danny said, "Man, that's like
we've been playing
1789
01:21:03,335 --> 01:21:04,903
together forever."
And I said, "We have."
1790
01:21:05,077 --> 01:21:07,906
"I've been playing
with you forever."
1791
01:21:08,646 --> 01:21:12,215
My pal Fred Mullen
was contacted by Vivid Records,
1792
01:21:12,389 --> 01:21:13,912
they said, "Would
Danny Kortchmar be interested
1793
01:21:14,085 --> 01:21:15,914
in making a solo record?"
1794
01:21:16,827 --> 01:21:18,264
I realized
I had a lot of old songs,
1795
01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:20,309
songs that I'd co-written
with James Taylor
1796
01:21:20,484 --> 01:21:22,312
and Don Henley,
et cetera, et cetera.
1797
01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,967
And I thought about it.
I said, "Well, you know,
1798
01:21:25,402 --> 01:21:27,404
my boys aren't gonna be
anywhere around there.
1799
01:21:27,577 --> 01:21:28,884
They never are.
1800
01:21:29,058 --> 01:21:30,407
Russ and Lee,
they're always gone."
1801
01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:32,713
And amazingly,
I started calling them
1802
01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,237
and they were there.
They were in town.
1803
01:21:34,498 --> 01:21:36,326
Wad was out on the road
with Stevie and--
1804
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:37,849
- Making real money.
Yeah,
1805
01:21:38,023 --> 01:21:39,719
and didn't come in
until it was three days.
1806
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:41,070
We recorded the thing
in three days.
1807
01:21:41,331 --> 01:21:42,767
Wad came in on the last day.
1808
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,378
And it took, you know,
like 15 minutes.
1809
01:21:45,552 --> 01:21:46,684
- And then...
- We were playing.
1810
01:21:46,858 --> 01:21:48,207
It sounded like us, yeah.
1811
01:21:48,512 --> 01:21:50,079
Our fingers were bleeding
and things were hurting.
1812
01:21:50,253 --> 01:21:52,210
But we kind of got
right back on the saddle.
1813
01:21:52,385 --> 01:21:56,520
It just evolved into what it is.
We all love each other.
1814
01:21:56,693 --> 01:21:59,566
And you know, we were having
so much fun playing this stuff
1815
01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:01,481
that we realized, "Yeah,
1816
01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,005
what the fuck?
Let's make it a band."
1817
01:22:08,271 --> 01:22:12,057
♪ Wanna shine tonight
Make her mine tonight ♪
1818
01:22:51,791 --> 01:22:54,665
It's pretty amazing to me
to be in the band with them,
1819
01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:56,580
with all four of these guys,
1820
01:22:56,841 --> 01:22:59,757
because I followed their
careers from the start.
1821
01:23:01,672 --> 01:23:02,934
Steve Postell
is a great addition
1822
01:23:03,108 --> 01:23:04,370
to that lineup,
1823
01:23:04,805 --> 01:23:06,546
'cause he's a great producer
and a great player.
1824
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,375
It's really kind of a miracle
that these guys are playing
1825
01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:12,030
in a band and doing these gigs,
and if you go see them live,
1826
01:23:12,204 --> 01:23:15,728
you know, you see that not only
did they give birth
1827
01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:17,340
to this music
that they're playing.
1828
01:23:17,514 --> 01:23:19,081
They're as much the author
of these songs
1829
01:23:19,255 --> 01:23:22,562
and of this music as the artists
that they did it with.
1830
01:23:26,697 --> 01:23:29,656
Playing in this band
has led us to all really listen
1831
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:31,180
to each other and find a way
1832
01:23:31,353 --> 01:23:32,529
of playing,
that's gonna help the band.
1833
01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:35,401
I think one of the things
I appreciate so much
1834
01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:38,491
about this band,
there's this camaraderie...
1835
01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:41,364
Yeah.
- ...and mutual respect
1836
01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:43,931
and mutual love,
and understanding, musically,
1837
01:23:44,106 --> 01:23:45,629
that's just so magical to me,
1838
01:23:45,803 --> 01:23:47,500
that just,
I've never been in a situation
1839
01:23:47,674 --> 01:23:50,112
that had this kind of a feeling.
1840
01:23:50,503 --> 01:23:52,940
This is the hardest band
to get away with a mistake in.
1841
01:23:53,115 --> 01:23:54,290
Oh.
1842
01:23:54,725 --> 01:23:56,422
'Cause as soon as somebody
hits a blooper...
1843
01:23:56,596 --> 01:23:57,641
Busted!
- ...it's--
1844
01:23:57,815 --> 01:23:59,034
They stick out.
1845
01:23:59,208 --> 01:24:00,296
They stick out,
don't they?
1846
01:24:00,469 --> 01:24:02,341
- Yeah.
- There's one more
1847
01:24:02,862 --> 01:24:05,910
- wise guy move coming now.
1848
01:24:13,612 --> 01:24:14,962
Very difficult sometimes,
1849
01:24:15,137 --> 01:24:17,574
three guitar players
to come to an agreement,
1850
01:24:17,922 --> 01:24:21,273
you know,
and these guys can do that.
1851
01:24:24,885 --> 01:24:26,452
My whole deal
is about collaborating
1852
01:24:26,626 --> 01:24:28,063
and working with other people
1853
01:24:28,237 --> 01:24:31,414
and creating something
with my pals especially.
1854
01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,638
To me, being a musician
is a way of life,
1855
01:24:38,812 --> 01:24:40,639
it's like a religion,
it's a way of being.
1856
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:47,473
I never saw it as work.
1857
01:24:47,647 --> 01:24:50,085
To me it was a joy
and a delight, every minute.
1858
01:24:50,389 --> 01:24:51,434
And I still feel that way.
1859
01:24:55,046 --> 01:24:56,308
My goal was to play
with my heroes,
1860
01:24:56,612 --> 01:24:58,005
that was one of my major goals.
1861
01:24:58,309 --> 01:25:00,050
To meet and play
with my heroes.
1862
01:25:00,530 --> 01:25:03,359
And I was amazingly lucky
that I got to do that a lot.
1863
01:25:06,710 --> 01:25:08,190
You know, I'm stunningly proud
1864
01:25:08,364 --> 01:25:10,017
to have played
with James, Carole,
1865
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:14,239
stunningly proud to have played
with Jackson, Linda,
1866
01:25:14,674 --> 01:25:16,023
you know, I can't believe I got
1867
01:25:16,198 --> 01:25:17,634
to play with
all these incredible people.
1868
01:25:18,068 --> 01:25:20,419
♪ Just to be secure
You're never sure ♪
1869
01:25:20,593 --> 01:25:22,987
♪ If it's worth it at all ♪
1870
01:25:25,076 --> 01:25:26,599
I'm 73.
1871
01:25:26,773 --> 01:25:28,340
I think I have pretty much
the same feeling I did
1872
01:25:28,514 --> 01:25:29,776
when I was a kid,
in the love of it
1873
01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:30,907
and the joy of it.
1874
01:25:38,133 --> 01:25:39,482
Thirsty, boys?
1875
01:25:40,047 --> 01:25:41,701
Well, we lived in an apartment,
so we could never have a dog.
1876
01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:43,398
It's kind of like
having bacon in the house,
1877
01:25:43,573 --> 01:25:45,139
couldn't have that either.
1878
01:25:46,184 --> 01:25:47,707
We found this place,
'cause our horses
1879
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,621
need some room,
our dogs need some room,
1880
01:25:49,796 --> 01:25:51,450
and we got
two of everything here.
1881
01:25:51,624 --> 01:25:54,888
We got two dogs, two horses,
and two chickens.
1882
01:25:55,062 --> 01:25:56,193
Rhoda, Arya...
1883
01:25:56,368 --> 01:25:57,587
We got the best eggs in town.
1884
01:25:57,848 --> 01:25:59,415
...you've earned
another night's stay.
1885
01:26:02,853 --> 01:26:04,768
I'd like to make it very clear
that I'm a man
1886
01:26:04,942 --> 01:26:06,117
of the great indoors.
1887
01:26:06,813 --> 01:26:09,164
I could stay in the studio
all day.
1888
01:26:10,077 --> 01:26:11,253
It's all about learning.
1889
01:26:11,818 --> 01:26:14,299
I mean, every day,
I'll hear something
1890
01:26:14,473 --> 01:26:16,780
and finally, I'll figure out
the way a chord
1891
01:26:16,954 --> 01:26:18,085
is supposed to sound
1892
01:26:18,260 --> 01:26:19,609
you know,
or something on a record
1893
01:26:20,087 --> 01:26:22,351
that I've been doing wrong
for 40 years.
1894
01:26:22,742 --> 01:26:24,091
And I'll go to sleep
that night going,
1895
01:26:24,266 --> 01:26:25,832
"I got it right finally,"
you know?
1896
01:26:26,572 --> 01:26:28,052
Have a wife who loves me.
1897
01:26:28,443 --> 01:26:31,273
I've got animals.
I've got a pretty cool house.
1898
01:26:31,621 --> 01:26:34,406
I can pay rent.
I can pay my monthly bills.
1899
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,103
I've got a band full of brothers
that love me.
1900
01:26:37,975 --> 01:26:40,585
And I'm proud of all of it.
1901
01:26:44,851 --> 01:26:47,898
The thing I think
is wonderful is, you know,
1902
01:26:48,072 --> 01:26:50,422
I've been doing it now, 51 years
1903
01:26:51,075 --> 01:26:53,599
and I never tire of it.
1904
01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:55,601
You know, when that
phone rings,
1905
01:26:55,775 --> 01:26:57,473
I'm like a kid in a
candy store.
1906
01:26:57,647 --> 01:26:59,562
I can't wait to go to work,
either in the studio
1907
01:26:59,736 --> 01:27:01,346
Or on tour.
1908
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,130
It just--
There's an exhilaration
1909
01:27:03,305 --> 01:27:04,958
and an excitement that happens
1910
01:27:05,132 --> 01:27:09,659
when you're in that environment
that it's impossible to explain
1911
01:27:09,833 --> 01:27:11,878
to people if they haven't
experienced it.
1912
01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:15,055
I'd love to be some
just old relic up there,
1913
01:27:15,230 --> 01:27:17,188
just, tur-- you know,
making people happy.
1914
01:27:19,625 --> 01:27:23,325
♪ Just a song before I go ♪
1915
01:27:23,889 --> 01:27:27,111
♪ To whom it may concern ♪
1916
01:27:28,982 --> 01:27:31,463
If I have one regret
from everything,
1917
01:27:31,637 --> 01:27:34,510
all the opportunity
that I've had in my career,
1918
01:27:34,901 --> 01:27:37,252
it's that I didn't get to spend
enough time at home,
1919
01:27:38,035 --> 01:27:39,384
with any of my kids.
1920
01:27:39,558 --> 01:27:41,212
♪ When the shows were over ♪
1921
01:27:41,647 --> 01:27:44,998
♪ We had to get back home ♪
1922
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:46,696
And you pay for it.
1923
01:27:47,478 --> 01:27:51,309
You know, you do your best
to make up the time,
1924
01:27:51,701 --> 01:27:53,833
but you don't get
those moments back.
1925
01:27:55,879 --> 01:27:58,969
My goals now
are just to be consistent
1926
01:27:59,143 --> 01:28:02,929
and to spend as much time
at home as I spend away.
1927
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:06,629
That's one of the great things
about having this band,
1928
01:28:06,803 --> 01:28:07,847
The Immediate Family,
right now,
1929
01:28:08,021 --> 01:28:09,284
is that we have an opportunity
1930
01:28:09,458 --> 01:28:10,675
kind of just to do that.
1931
01:28:14,027 --> 01:28:17,117
Most of our careers
were being on the back line
1932
01:28:17,291 --> 01:28:18,902
supporting other artists.
1933
01:28:19,206 --> 01:28:22,166
This was an opportunity for us
to do something that was ours.
1934
01:28:30,043 --> 01:28:31,436
I love the shit
out of that now.
1935
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:33,046
- Yeah.
It's fucking cool.
1936
01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,271
I feel like
the luckiest guy in the world
1937
01:28:40,445 --> 01:28:42,621
that I'm still able to play,
1938
01:28:42,795 --> 01:28:44,710
not just play,
but play with these,
1939
01:28:44,884 --> 01:28:46,233
you know, with my best friends.
1940
01:28:47,757 --> 01:28:49,715
So, that's what motivates me
to keep going,
1941
01:28:49,889 --> 01:28:51,500
is the idea that I can
express myself
1942
01:28:51,674 --> 01:28:54,285
in The Immediate Family,
in that band.
1943
01:29:05,818 --> 01:29:07,559
When you look back
in hindsight,
1944
01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:09,431
people ask me that a lot.
1945
01:29:09,605 --> 01:29:12,869
"Did you know that those songs
were gonna be so important
1946
01:29:13,043 --> 01:29:14,871
or those records
were gonna be so big?"
1947
01:29:15,045 --> 01:29:16,394
And I didn't know then.
1948
01:29:16,568 --> 01:29:18,222
You know,
I was just happy to be there.
1949
01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:27,797
I can look at a song
I played in 1973,
1950
01:29:28,537 --> 01:29:30,365
today and go,
1951
01:29:30,539 --> 01:29:32,628
"I wouldn't play
that song that way today."
1952
01:29:33,019 --> 01:29:36,022
But in 1973, that was exactly
how I was playing.
1953
01:29:36,196 --> 01:29:37,502
And that's what I did.
1954
01:29:37,675 --> 01:29:39,504
I would just move on
to what's now.
1955
01:29:43,943 --> 01:29:47,599
I had no idea that we'd be
in a band at this point.
1956
01:29:47,773 --> 01:29:49,558
I had no idea
that I'd still be able to play
1957
01:29:49,732 --> 01:29:52,474
at 72 or would even want to.
1958
01:29:55,477 --> 01:29:57,174
I don't think you retire
from this business.
1959
01:29:57,348 --> 01:30:01,091
I just don't know
anybody who's happily retired
1960
01:30:01,264 --> 01:30:02,440
from music business.
1961
01:30:08,925 --> 01:30:11,057
I didn't think too much
about the first hurrah,
1962
01:30:11,362 --> 01:30:13,277
so I definitely don't think
too much about the last hurrah.
1963
01:30:16,585 --> 01:30:18,325
To me, it's all hurrah.
1964
01:30:18,587 --> 01:30:19,849
All the way down the line.
1965
01:30:22,591 --> 01:30:24,027
You should strive
to do something
1966
01:30:24,201 --> 01:30:25,550
that makes you happy.
1967
01:30:25,724 --> 01:30:28,510
That's so important
to the human psyche,
1968
01:30:28,901 --> 01:30:31,425
that what your work is,
it inspires you
1969
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,731
and makes you happy.
1970
01:30:33,471 --> 01:30:35,038
But this is our band,
1971
01:30:35,212 --> 01:30:38,520
and we're doing now,
what we wanted to do forever.
1972
01:30:47,659 --> 01:30:50,270
Russ said to me
at one point,
1973
01:30:51,010 --> 01:30:52,447
just as a friend,
he said, like,
1974
01:30:52,621 --> 01:30:54,405
"Whenever you do
make your record, you know,
1975
01:30:54,579 --> 01:30:56,276
don't forget, I want to play
with you."
1976
01:30:57,103 --> 01:30:58,583
And that meant the world.
1977
01:30:59,628 --> 01:31:02,195
Our musical life,
and he does every album
1978
01:31:02,369 --> 01:31:04,546
he's ever done with me,
so it's like, you know,
1979
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,025
we collaborate,
1980
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:09,115
and I can't really imagine,
you know,
1981
01:31:09,725 --> 01:31:11,943
I can't imagine my life
without him.
1982
01:31:12,205 --> 01:31:15,731
And all I can express
is admiration for these guys.
1983
01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:17,559
I feel really lucky
1984
01:31:17,733 --> 01:31:21,344
that they've played with me
at all, over the years.
1985
01:31:22,085 --> 01:31:24,696
All I know is as soon as
I encountered 'em, I wanted 'em.
1986
01:31:25,262 --> 01:31:26,742
They were better players
than everybody else.
1987
01:31:26,916 --> 01:31:28,004
That's the way it happened.
1988
01:31:28,264 --> 01:31:29,788
I can't overemphasize
the importance
1989
01:31:29,962 --> 01:31:32,050
of the role that Danny played
in my solo career.
1990
01:31:32,225 --> 01:31:35,794
I mean, again, I'd never planned
on having a solo career.
1991
01:31:35,968 --> 01:31:36,882
I didn't...
1992
01:31:38,275 --> 01:31:39,929
feel like a solo act.
1993
01:31:40,451 --> 01:31:44,673
And he coaxed me,
and encouraged me, and pushed me
1994
01:31:44,847 --> 01:31:46,326
in that direction and gathered
1995
01:31:46,718 --> 01:31:48,764
all these great musicians
around me who were supportive.
1996
01:31:49,068 --> 01:31:50,983
And...
1997
01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:53,594
...you know, as the years go by,
1998
01:31:53,769 --> 01:31:56,511
I look back on it, and I'm more
and more appreciative
1999
01:31:56,815 --> 01:31:58,687
of the contribution
that he made.
2000
01:31:59,862 --> 01:32:00,732
And so...
2001
01:32:01,864 --> 01:32:03,822
that's why so many people
wanted to work with him.
2002
01:32:18,924 --> 01:32:21,884
Well...
...that's a tricky question.
2003
01:32:22,318 --> 01:32:25,017
I mean, my mom died
when I was six years old,
2004
01:32:25,191 --> 01:32:27,411
right after the guitar incident.
2005
01:32:27,585 --> 01:32:30,414
She pretty much
was out of commission
2006
01:32:30,588 --> 01:32:32,503
for about a year and she died
when I was six.
2007
01:32:32,677 --> 01:32:36,028
And so, family to me,
means my dad and my brother
2008
01:32:36,202 --> 01:32:38,943
and the three of us arguing
our way through life, you know,
2009
01:32:39,118 --> 01:32:43,209
and that was family
until I met these guys, really.
2010
01:32:45,821 --> 01:32:47,474
The word "family"
means commitment,
2011
01:32:47,823 --> 01:32:49,781
it means priority,
2012
01:32:50,477 --> 01:32:52,827
you know and of course,
all the other things, love.
2013
01:32:54,133 --> 01:33:00,183
♪ How I wish I could
But you were so far away ♪
2014
01:33:00,879 --> 01:33:03,273
You know,
there is something, you know,
2015
01:33:03,447 --> 01:33:06,189
you can't get, you know,
any other way
2016
01:33:06,362 --> 01:33:08,887
than just playing together
2017
01:33:09,061 --> 01:33:11,716
and enjoying
each other's company.
2018
01:33:11,977 --> 01:33:14,850
♪ Can't say much
Of anything that's new ♪
2019
01:33:16,678 --> 01:33:18,070
We were each other's
only resource.
2020
01:33:18,244 --> 01:33:20,029
We had to be friends
with each other.
2021
01:33:20,769 --> 01:33:24,032
These were the only people
we knew.
2022
01:33:24,294 --> 01:33:29,734
♪ I'd rather spend it
Being close to you ♪
2023
01:33:31,344 --> 01:33:34,478
I'm basically looking
at three other guys
2024
01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:37,263
that I've been on a stage with
for 50 years,
2025
01:33:37,786 --> 01:33:41,572
and loving every moment
of being with them.
2026
01:33:42,181 --> 01:33:45,358
I could get a hipper,
younger people.
2027
01:33:47,143 --> 01:33:50,059
- In this hotel.
- Yeah.
2028
01:33:50,842 --> 01:33:52,844
To play this stuff, you know--
2029
01:33:53,323 --> 01:33:57,066
But these are the people
that play it best,
2030
01:33:57,457 --> 01:33:59,721
and these
are my best friends and...
2031
01:34:01,418 --> 01:34:03,638
and so,
I don't need anybody else.
2032
01:34:05,814 --> 01:34:06,858
Hey, dude.
2033
01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:15,432
♪ Nothing else to do
But close my mind ♪
2034
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:17,521
Announcer 3:
Put your hands together
2035
01:34:17,695 --> 01:34:19,436
and welcome to the stage,
The Immediate Family!
2036
01:34:21,612 --> 01:34:23,614
- Once in a lifetime.
- Yeah, it truly is.
2037
01:34:23,788 --> 01:34:25,181
A golden age.
2038
01:34:25,529 --> 01:34:26,748
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, that's a wrap.
2039
01:34:26,922 --> 01:34:28,010
You're on speaker.
2040
01:34:29,751 --> 01:34:30,795
Thanks so much.
2041
01:34:41,197 --> 01:34:48,117
♪ So take, take me home ♪
2042
01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:55,820
♪ 'Cause I don't remember
Take, take me home ♪
2043
01:34:56,907 --> 01:35:03,567
♪ 'Cause I don't remember
Take, take me home ♪
2044
01:35:03,741 --> 01:35:05,700
♪ Oh, Lord ♪
2045
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:10,443
♪ Well I've been a prisoner
All my life ♪
2046
01:35:11,139 --> 01:35:12,663
♪ And I can say to you ♪
2047
01:35:13,142 --> 01:35:14,796
♪ In the middle of the night ♪
2048
01:35:14,969 --> 01:35:16,449
♪ Middle of the might ♪
2049
01:35:17,362 --> 01:35:18,495
- ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪
- ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪
2050
01:35:18,669 --> 01:35:20,018
♪ From the mountains of faith ♪
2051
01:35:20,192 --> 01:35:21,585
♪ Mountains of faith ♪
2052
01:35:22,281 --> 01:35:23,718
- ♪ To the river so deep ♪
- ♪ River so deep ♪
2053
01:35:23,892 --> 01:35:25,415
♪ I must be looking
for something ♪
2054
01:35:25,589 --> 01:35:27,025
♪ Looking for something ♪
2055
01:35:27,764 --> 01:35:29,636
- ♪ Something sacred I lost ♪
- ♪ Sacred I lost ♪
2056
01:35:29,811 --> 01:35:31,769
- ♪ But the river is wide ♪
- ♪ Oh, it's wide ♪
2057
01:35:31,943 --> 01:35:33,510
♪ And it's too hard
to cross ♪
2058
01:35:33,684 --> 01:35:35,425
♪ Too hard to cross ♪
2059
01:35:36,034 --> 01:35:37,949
♪ Even though I know
The river is wide ♪
2060
01:35:38,123 --> 01:35:40,865
♪ I walk down every evening
And I stand on the shore ♪
2061
01:35:41,257 --> 01:35:43,128
♪ I try to cross
To the opposite side ♪
2062
01:35:43,302 --> 01:35:46,218
♪ So I can finally find
What I've been looking for ♪
2063
01:35:46,392 --> 01:35:48,264
♪ In the middle of
the night ♪
2064
01:35:48,438 --> 01:35:49,787
♪ Middle of the night ♪
2065
01:35:50,832 --> 01:35:51,920
- ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪
- ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪
2066
01:35:52,094 --> 01:35:53,269
♪ Through the valley of fear ♪
2067
01:35:53,443 --> 01:35:54,879
♪ Valley of fear ♪
2068
01:35:55,053 --> 01:35:58,753
- Look, it's me. It's me!
2069
01:35:59,841 --> 01:36:02,191
Santa,
I am begging of you this year,
2070
01:36:02,365 --> 01:36:06,195
please would you get
three guitar tuners?
2071
01:36:06,369 --> 01:36:07,674
I know you're gonna do
the good thing,
2072
01:36:07,849 --> 01:36:09,111
because I've been a good boy.
2073
01:36:09,371 --> 01:36:10,764
You've got your helpers here
like I do.
2074
01:36:10,939 --> 01:36:13,855
I see Postale,
I see Kootch. I see Waddy.
2075
01:36:14,202 --> 01:36:16,031
There's Russell up there.
It's fantastic.
2076
01:36:16,205 --> 01:36:17,946
Watch the diet there.
You're getting a little funky.
2077
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,643
Okay, too much pizza.
2078
01:36:21,776 --> 01:36:28,434
♪ Oh, what a lonely boy
Oh, what a lonely boy ♪
2079
01:36:57,768 --> 01:36:59,161
♪ Goodbye Mama ♪
2080
01:37:00,858 --> 01:37:04,427
♪ Even roses got excited ♪
2081
01:37:04,601 --> 01:37:08,300
♪ When he saw the
promise land ♪
2082
01:37:08,561 --> 01:37:10,693
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2083
01:37:10,868 --> 01:37:12,739
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2084
01:37:12,914 --> 01:37:14,306
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2085
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:16,395
♪ But Texas wants you anyway ♪
2086
01:37:16,568 --> 01:37:18,441
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2087
01:37:18,615 --> 01:37:20,486
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2088
01:37:20,660 --> 01:37:21,791
- ♪ That's right ♪
- ♪ You're not from Texas ♪
2089
01:37:21,966 --> 01:37:23,576
♪ But Texas wants you anyway ♪
2090
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:26,884
♪ I was, I was born
And raised in Texas ♪
2091
01:37:27,058 --> 01:37:30,670
♪ And it means so much to me ♪
2092
01:37:30,844 --> 01:37:34,587
♪ Though my girl comes
From down in Georgia ♪
2093
01:37:34,761 --> 01:37:38,374
♪ We were up, up in Tennessee ♪
2094
01:37:38,548 --> 01:37:42,030
♪ And as we were driving
Down the highway ♪
2095
01:37:42,204 --> 01:37:44,597
♪ She asked me, baby ♪
2096
01:37:44,771 --> 01:37:48,818
♪ What's so great
How come you're always... ♪
2097
01:38:05,923 --> 01:38:10,623
♪ As I bask in the glow
Of a just-lit fire ♪
2098
01:38:11,059 --> 01:38:15,019
♪ Feeling the warmth
As the flame grows higher ♪
2099
01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:19,458
♪ I think it's true
That nothing is really new ♪
2100
01:38:19,632 --> 01:38:22,112
♪ Under the sun ♪
2101
01:38:22,548 --> 01:38:28,119
♪ Watching a new love grow
From old love's embers ♪
2102
01:38:28,293 --> 01:38:32,384
♪ Yesterday's gone
But today remembers ♪
2103
01:38:32,558 --> 01:38:35,822
♪ Doesn't it seem
To come down the same ♪
2104
01:38:35,996 --> 01:38:38,651
♪ For everyone ♪
2105
01:38:40,044 --> 01:38:44,048
♪ Only love is real ♪
2106
01:38:45,397 --> 01:38:48,574
♪ Everything else illusion ♪
2107
01:38:49,749 --> 01:38:52,535
♪ Adding to the confusion ♪
2108
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:57,844
♪ Of the way we connive
At being alive ♪
2109
01:39:07,202 --> 01:39:09,378
♪ You can walk across
The water ♪
2110
01:39:10,379 --> 01:39:13,077
♪ You can swim across the sea ♪
2111
01:39:13,817 --> 01:39:16,210
♪ But there ain't no
Buried treasures ♪
2112
01:39:16,385 --> 01:39:18,865
♪ And there's no plan B ♪
2113
01:39:19,996 --> 01:39:22,391
♪ And you're gonna climb
A mountain ♪
2114
01:39:23,174 --> 01:39:25,698
♪ If you're not afraid
to fall ♪
2115
01:39:26,656 --> 01:39:31,094
♪ It's about sticking it out
It's about giving your all ♪
2116
01:39:31,748 --> 01:39:34,490
♪ You gotta have
Skin in the game ♪
2117
01:39:35,317 --> 01:39:38,014
♪ Gotta have skin in the game ♪
2118
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,800
♪ You got some ice
In your veins ♪
2119
01:39:41,323 --> 01:39:43,889
♪ You gotta have
Skin in the game ♪
2120
01:39:44,369 --> 01:39:46,197
♪ It's more than the money ♪
2121
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:49,592
♪ It's more than the fame ♪
2122
01:39:50,897 --> 01:39:53,465
♪ You gotta stay close
To the flame ♪
2123
01:39:54,075 --> 01:39:56,642
♪ You gotta have
Skin in the game ♪
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