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I'm in China,to try to answer a question
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that could determinethe fate of our planet.
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I hear China burns more coalthan any other country,
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and that coal is the biggestcontributor to climate change.
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It's making some AmericansI know wonder
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why we should take climate changeseriously if China isn't.
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But I've also hearda different story,
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that these days China is taking hugesteps to reduce carbon emissions
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and keep the planet from melting.
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Which is it?I'm here to find out.
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It's no secretthat the pollution here,
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caused mainlyby the burning of coal,
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has been horrible for decades.
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But I didn't realize how bad.
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The images at this art exhibitare arresting.
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Do you like these?
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You like that one.
Do you know what these are?
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They're all medicine bottles
for coughing or a lung issue.
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-Like this one is for kids.
-Yeah.
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I meet a familywho recently left Beijing.
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They tell me the pollutionwas making their son sick.
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So do you think
you'll go back to Beijing?
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We love Beijing,
all my family is still there.
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But he won't be able
to go to school,
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because he's got some lung issues.
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And how many days of schools
do you think he had to miss?
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-One to two days per week.
-One or two.
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So you actually had to keep him home
one or two days a week?
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Yeah. Also, one or two times a month
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he needs to go to the hospital
for treatment.
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That's unbelievable.
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Zachary. Why don't you show
your mask in Beijing then.
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-The special mask.
-Oh my goodness.
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When he was playing at home even
that he has to actually wear.
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-Really? Is that you?
-Yes.
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-Do you like it here in Hong Kong?
-Yes.
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-Because?
-Because, because.
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Because you don't have
to wear one of these.
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Because you can go to school?
That's more fun, right?
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I'm surprised to hearZachary's family
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to return to Beijingsometime soon.
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Their friends say the airquality is improving.
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Is this wishful thinking?
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Or is the air getting betterbecause China is overcoming
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its reliance on coal?
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When I'm not busy actingon television
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I'm a passionate advocatefor a number of issues,
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especially climate change.
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I've come to Chicagoto learn more about a fight brewing
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between big coal and the country'slargest environmental group,
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the Sierra Cluband their Beyond Coal campaign.
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Christine Nannicelli is rightin the middle of it.
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Why was this a place
that Sierra Club came to?
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Illinois is a coal state in a lot of
ways this has been ground zero.
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Christine says that even though coalis on the decline,
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due to the skyrocketing use of wind,solar, and cheap natural gas,
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the U.S. is still secondonly to China
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in the amount of coal it burns.
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which is why the campaign is tryingto close as many plants as it can.
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Coal pollution threatens thingsthat we all care about.
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Since 2010, over a third of the coalplants in the nation have closed,
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or are about to.
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Hundreds of workers
are going to be out of a job.
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But big coal, and its backers,are fighting back hard.
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The Supreme Courthas temporarily blocked
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the administration'sClean Power Plan.
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Twenty-nine states
are suing over the plan,
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which limits greenhouse gasemissions from power plants.
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Christine is meetingwith the leaders
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of the Beyond Coal campaignin Chicago
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to figure out what comes next.
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These are
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the plants that we have
to get announced to retire.
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This could be a map that doesn't
change much over the next few years.
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If the coal industry has their way,
we'll stop here.
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Illinois is one of the top five
coal mining states
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and it has a lot of coal-fired
power plants.
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So getting Illinois right
is critical to our overall success.
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One of the big players here is NRG.
Let's talk about them.
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That company is trying to squeeze
as much money out
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of these coal plants
before they have to retire them.
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That may be decades away,
what will we do about that?
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Everything's on the line.
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People's lives are on the line,
the climate's on the line.
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Do you think
we have a strategy here?
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We do. We do.
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If the Sierra Club
is going to take on NRG,
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they've got their work
cut out for them.
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NRG energy is a massive companywith a presence in 22 states.
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It is one of the biggest burnersof fossil fuels in the nation
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thanks in part to its large fleetof coal plants,
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including one that is nearlya century old
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in a city on Lake Michigancalled Waukegan.
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Wow.
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NRG bought this coal plant in 2014.
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-That recently?
-That recently.
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You know, while they have made
some upgrades,
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even with those bare minimum
controls that they installed
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it's still the largest source of air
and water pollution in the county.
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It just doesn't make sense to me
to invest in something that seems
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old and dying and not instead invest
in other kinds of energy.
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Unfortunately that kind of a
business model leaves communities
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like Waukegan,
basically being held hostage.
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So what would it mean
for the Beyond Coal campaign
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to succeed here in Waukegan?
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If we can do it here
in the industrial heartland
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against one of the largest energy
companies in the country,
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we can do it anywhere.
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Some of the worst air pollutionin the world
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has blanketed China for years,
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and the international mediahas been all over it.
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This is what everybody in Beijing
is talking about today.
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This grey pall of smoggy stuff
that's just hanging over the city.
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A report publishedat the Lancet Medical Journal
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says that air pollution in Chinais responsible for between 350 000
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to 500 000 premature deathsevery year.
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Chinese officials say the murky airover Beijing this month is just fog,
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but measurements takenat the U.S. Embassy there
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show dangerously high levelsof air pollution.
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We were all warned, before we went
to Beijing, about the air quality.
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But once you arrive and actually see
it, you sense it, you breathe it,
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then it really hits you
like a brick.
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Former U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke
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tells me the embassyhad been uploading daily air quality
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readings from the monitorson its roof,
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but the U.S. numbers conflictedwith official Chinese reports.
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That's when the Chinese citizens
on the Internet say, hey what gives?
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How come the U.S.
Government says it's hazardous
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and the Chinese Government's
downplaying it?
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Did they try to block
the information at first?
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A lot of influential bloggers,
some with millions of followers,
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they were being pressured to not
basically re-tweet
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the readings that we gave out.
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What kind of signals
were you getting
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from the Chinese government?
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They asked us to stop and desist
and to not set up the program
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or to shut it down, and we said no.
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At a certain point the government
must have changed their attitude,
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we're breathing the same air.
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That's right. The turning point
was in January of 2013.
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We had almost three weeks
of hazardous air.
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It was so bad that you could not
even see across the street.
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And finally
the Chinese government acknowledged
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this was severe air pollution,
they could not hide it anymore,
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that there needed to be action
by the Chinese government.
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And do you feel that this was
a turning point in the way
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that the Chinese government
started to approach climate change?
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This is like the genie
that's been let out of the bottle.
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There's more concern over
environmental issues every day.
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But I do believe that the attention
on air pollution,
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thanks to the efforts
of the embassy, galvanized
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Chinese opinion and concern
over air pollution,
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and therefore greenhouse
gas emissions and climate change.
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Chinese social media sites exploded.
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Protests sprang upagainst polluting factories.
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In 2013, the government,under pressure to clean up the air,
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started moving coal plants awayfrom cities to rural areas.
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A year later, the governmenttook things even further.
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Those concerned about climate change
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are calling this the breakthrough
they've been waiting for.
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A deal brokered between the U.S.
and China
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to greatly reduce carbon emissions.
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This is an ambitious goal,
but it is an achievable goal.
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China may not be a democracy,
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but when smog made life unbearablefor its people,
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the government finally acted.
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What is this community like?
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Seventy percent are Latino
and African American.
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It's a working class community.
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How hard is it to get people
in a town like this
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motivated to take on
something this big?
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There are amazing people
that I have met here,
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that maybe have not ever been part
of a campaign in their lives,
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never spoken publicly or knocked
on doors and they're doing it.
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It's almost like everyday people
have to learn how to be activists?
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Absolutely.
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Christine says that while a big partof the Beyond Coal strategy
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is to encourage localsto lead the charge,
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talking only about climate changeisn't enough.
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In this community the potentialhealth impact is more of a concern.
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And Christine says I'll understandwhy if I meet Dulce Ortiz,
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who lives and works downtown justa stone's throw from the coal plant.
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Oh wow. It's right outside
your window, huh?
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Yes it is.
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What's that like?
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It's frustrating, and inspiring.
But mostly frustrating.
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Dulce tells me she's worriedabout the health impact
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the pollution from the plant mighthave on her 14-year-old son, Ivan,
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and her mother Sonya,who also lives in town.
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So what are some
of the personal impacts
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that the coal plant
has had on you guys?
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I'm having problems with my lungs.
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Constantly. You know?
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I never in my life smoked.
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And it's not just me.
She started getting sick, too.
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-You've developed similar issues?
-Yes.
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Is this something that is more
widespread in the community
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or is it just your family?
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No, it's in the community,
you know. It's bad.
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Of course we can't say that asthma
is caused by the coal plant.
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But the pollution
that's being put out into the air
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creates the asthma attacks.
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Dulce explains that such attacksare common in Waukegan.
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One study found that one in threeschool children
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had asthma or asthma-like symptoms,
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a rate far higherthan in the rest of the state.
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But before meeting Christine,Dulce didn't even realize
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what the plant outsideher window was.
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You didn't know there was
a coal plant here?
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I told Christine you know,
what can I do?
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What do you want me to do?
Whatever you want, I'll do it.
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So Dulce and other locals learnedthe power of going door to door,
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telling residents about the risksof the plant.
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-Hello!
-Hi! My name is Dulce Ortiz.
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I'm Dominisha Blake
and I'm here with Clean Power,
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-and this is Jordan.
-Hey Jordan.
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Um, do you have any children?
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I've got three of them.
I've got a little one coming, too.
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That's why we're doing this.
There is a coal plant
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less than a mile away
from your home.
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Our children should have clean air,
a clean environment.
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Yeah. I don't mind signing.
That's a good thing.
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After collecting signaturesfor a petition,
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this group of everyday citizensorganized to get
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more than 150 residentsto march on the coal plant.
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We ask that NRG come to the table
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to transition away from coal.
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Then, just before Christmas,they took their petitions
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directly to the mayorand town council,
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demanding that the city come upwith a plan to retire the coal plant
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and attract cleaner, greener jobs.
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That's what our community,
more than 2000 residents, ask of you
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Mayor Motley
and the members of the city council.
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Activists delivered 2000 petitionsand asked Mayor Wayne Motley
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to set up a meeting with NRG.
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If I can arrange that meeting,
which I told you I would,
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I will certainly do that.
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-Thank you so much.
-Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
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Now just pray.
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So what was the response
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to delivering the 2000 petitions
to the Mayor?
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Nothing has come of that.
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And does the mayor think
that conversation should happen?
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I don't know what the mayor thinks.
We haven't heard from him.
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We don't know what his plans are.
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With no response from NRGor their local government,
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the activists are stuck.
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So I'm going to meet the mayorto find out where he stands.
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China has changed a lot sinceI first came here in the late '70s.
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What used to be sleepy villagesare now thriving mega cities.
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Back then, China's most valued assetwas cheap labor.
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And so, they becamea "factory to the world,"
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growing their economy seventy-foldin less than four decades.
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Think about that!
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Nothing like it has happened beforein the history of mankind.
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To power it all, China built morethan a thousand coal plants,
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which contribute to an energy sector
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that pumps out an astounding 20%of the gases warming the planet.
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-I like this one.
-Try it.
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Nice!
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-Is it me?
-Yes, It looks nice on you.
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Were you born in China?
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Kevin Mo is a top climate advisor
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to the Americanand Chinese governments.
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He came down from Beijingto meet with me.
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In Wal-Mart, a lot of "Made in
China" stuff exactly like here.
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That's why they're saying
this is a factory of the world.
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-Yeah.
-That's what China becomes now.
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He tells me if Chinais going to quit coal,
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it will have to pivot away from somuch reliance on manufacturing
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and dirty industry.
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So how will the economy
have to adjust?
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How will it change?
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Well, now you have to transition to
service-based economy,
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-which is finance.
-Finance.
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-IT...
-OK.
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Insurance... those kinds of things.
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Not like energy-intensified
industries,
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like steel, cement,
those kind of things.
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So it's different.
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So, if they can make
that transition.
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If they can make that transition,
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the economic growth
will be more sustainable
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and it consumes less energy
but generate more revenues.
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Okay, in your opinion,
can they do it?
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And can they do it as fast
as they hope to?
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Well let's say this: If China
doesn't make all these changes
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and still use the previous
growth model, economic growth model,
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then the scenario would be,
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by 2050, China's carbon emissions
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will be more than
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the current total carbon emissions
in the world.
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That much carbon dioxide in the airwould make life on earth unbearable.
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But Kevin claims China's leadersacknowledge this threat
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and are making plans to ensurethat doesn't happen.
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The problem, is that if China shiftsaway from manufacturing,
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other countries, including onesthat burn lots of coal,
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will be picking up the slack.
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And so the benefit to the climateis unclear.
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Today I'm meeting the mayorof Waukegan,
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who said he would set up a meetingbetween the plant owner, NRG,
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and a local group leading the fight,called Clean Power Lake County.
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What is your take on this group
and what they're trying to do?
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They have every right
to do what they're doing,
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but the one thing that people
have to realize
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is I have a business in my community
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that pays almost a million dollars
a year in taxes.
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Provides 100 skilled jobs.
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Should that business close,
where would I get that revenue from?
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How could I balance my budgets?
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I happen to have a very good
working relationship with NRG,
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they're just not prepared to discuss
any future dealings with the plant.
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Do you think that
Clean Power Lake County
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speaks for the majority of residents
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and how they feel
about the coal plant?
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'Cause they recently delivered
2000 petitions.
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I guess what you really have
to look into and understand
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is how they acquired
those signatures
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and what pretense
they used to get them.
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The people I talked to
didn't know what they were signing,
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so I don't know what to tell you.
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NRG has a huge,
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millions and millions of dollars
investment in this.
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Clean Power Lake County
has no financial investment,
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nor does Sierra Club.
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I think that they would argue
that their investment
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may not be a financial one,
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but their investment is their health
and the future of their hometown.
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I'm not saying
one matters more than the other.
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But you have heard from residents
of Waukegan that they themselves...
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experience, health impacts,
namely asthma.
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I've had no list of people
or a line of people
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coming into my office
complaining about those issues.
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Isn't it the duty
of elected officials
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to have those people's voices
get heard?
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-I'm trying.
-You're trying.
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-I'm trying.
-Yeah.
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And believe me, I've tried to remain
neutral through this whole process,
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but over the last 20 years, we've
lost 30 000 jobs on our lakefront.
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Should the coal plant close,
it's a real dilemma.
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I mean, it's a dilemma for me.
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I get where the mayoris coming from.
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Waukegan did once employtens of thousands
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in factories on its waterfront.
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But those factories closed, and leftbehind a legacy of toxic pollution
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that's still being cleaned up.
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The coal plant is virtually all thatremains of that industrial past.
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I go back to Dulce's,to tell her what Mayor Motley said.
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I wish I had better news.
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His response was
that he couldn't be sure
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that those 2000 signatures
were legitimate.
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Or whether or not the people knew
what they were signing,
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so, personally I'm frustrated,
so I can't imagine how do you feel?
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For him to say that these people
didn't know what they were signing,
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I find that very...
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how can I say... very disturbing.
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And he's completely wrong.
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Waukegan has five Superfund sites.
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So, there is a trail of corporations
polluting our lands,
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taking their profits,
and just leaving.
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And leaving us, the residents
with the health issues
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and no opportunity
for economic development.
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We don't want that to happen again,
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and it's difficult
that he's not understanding,
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what we're trying to do here.
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Tell me what that was like,
to be the first here.
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It was a little bit odd; I felt
like a pioneer in the beginning.
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Barbara Finamore is an energy expert
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who has been helping China find waysto get off coal since the early 90s.
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There was almost no awareness
at the time of climate change
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and there was no awareness of the
need to use energy more efficiently.
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But China really is the key
to the future of our planet.
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The fact of the matter is
things are changing very fast here.
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As part of its agreementwith the U.S.,
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China pledged to get 20%of its energy from non-fossil fuels
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by 2030.
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And Barbara says this plant,that powers Hong Kong Island,
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is representative of what'shappening all across China.
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-Good Morning!
-Good Morning!
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-Hi!
-Hi, Mr. Wan, Sigourney Weaver.
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Meeting us is the managing directorof Hong Kong electric: C.T. Wan.
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Thank you for having us.
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This power station started in 1979,
originally from oil to coal.
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But now, because of the climate
change agenda.
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We'll, eventually,
get rid of all the coal
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towards the end of the next decade.
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-Really?
-Yes.
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Science tells us that we need to do
something before it's too late.
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So the minimum thing we need to do
is to reduce carbon emissions.
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And we decided to build
8600 solar panels now.
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Sometimes in America, the people
who run these coal plants say,
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"We're not so sure
that what we're experiencing
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is because of climate change."
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I'm an engineer by training.
We only look at data and facts.
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Those prove that it is coming
and we need do something,
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otherwise, it's too late.
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And do you feel that China
will make its commitments
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in terms of lowering fossil fuels?
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Are you optimistic?
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Last year is a real turning point
in China.
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The total investment
in renewable power generation
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is more than conventional power
for the first time in history.
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This speaks for itself.
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C.T. takes us on a tourof the plant.
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-OK, sit tight ladies.
-OK, don't be a speed demon!
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Not only is China making enormousinvestments in green energy,
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this year the government haltedconstruction on 30 coal power plants
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with a capacity greater thanBritain's entire coal fleet.
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Even more important,I'm surprised to hear, two years ago
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coal consumption in China leveledoff and is actually going down.
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-Here we are!
-Thank you!
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This is quite extraordinary.
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This is the perfect place to talk
to you because you have the past,
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the coal and the future,
this amazing solar array.
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Five years ago, there was virtually
no solar power in China.
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And by 2030, China will have added
as much wind and solar
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-as exist in the world today.
-Are you kidding me?
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Last year was hugefor renewables here.
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China now has more solar powerthan any other country,
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and it installed almost halfof the world's new wind turbines.
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All in all, China spent more thanone hundred billion dollars
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on renewables last year
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and became the world's top investorin clean energy.
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In Waukegan,Dulce and the other volunteers
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have been dealt a setback.
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The plant's owner, NRG,isn't willing to meet with them.
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So they're gathering to plottheir next move.
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There are some who ask,
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"Well, if you don't like it
then why don't you move?"
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Well because we have, we own homes
here, because our families are here,
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because our jobs are here,
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and just because
something isn't right
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doesn't mean you walk away from it,
you try to fix it,
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and that's what we're trying to do
is make it better for everybody.
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With this campaign,
we're trying to say,
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"We're here,
we're going to fight for you,
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we're going to be your voice
and we're gonna put pressure
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on every single person
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that has anything to do
with that coal plant."
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So, you've tried city hall,
you've tried the mayor,
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what is the next level?
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We need to get people in a bus,
down to Springfield.
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We need to show their
citizens are behind them.
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Let's put some passion into this the
next few months and get it going.
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As I look around at the people here,I realize how remarkable it is:
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a pastor, a nun,a college grad coming home.
447
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Regular peoplecoming together to fight this fight,
448
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and it's clearthey're not giving up.
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Here we go!
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The Waukeganites have decidedto take the fight to Springfield,
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the capital of Illinois.
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They're joining forces with peoplefrom across the state
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to lobby their representatives
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to supportthe Illinois "clean jobs bill,"
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which would create incentivesto bring new, clean energy jobs
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to communities like Waukegan.
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If you look to the left,don't miss this wind farm.
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That's what clean energy looks like.
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Dulce and the rest of the activistsare making the 4 hour journey
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in the hopes that passingthis clean jobs legislation
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will put pressureon their mayor and NRG
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to start talking with them abouta transition away from dirty energy.
463
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-What do we want?
-Clean jobs!
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-When do we want it?
-Now!
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-What do we want?
-Clean jobs!
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-When do we want it?
-Now!
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I come here
with one clear message today.
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Communities like Waukegan deserve
a clean energy future
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and it's time to finally pass
the Illinois Clean Jobs Bill.
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In additionto lobbying the governor,
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the activists spend the entire day
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pressing their case with every statelegislator they can find.
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They are hoping their localrepresentative, Rita Mayfield,
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will sign on to a lettercalling on NRG to meet with them.
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But she's declining to do so.
476
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She's not going to sign until
she feels there's a united front.
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-I just feel frustrated.
-Yeah, me too. Me too.
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At the end of the session,
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they're not much further alongthan when they started.
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The "clean jobs bill"is in legislative limbo
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and their local officials seemreluctant to sign the letter to NRG.
482
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The effort to get coalout of Waukegan is faltering.
483
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The transformation in China
has been truly remarkable.
484
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:13,210
Bringing more people out of poverty
485
00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:15,504
than any other time
in human history.
486
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:19,299
Dan Dudek witnessedthat transformation first hand.
487
00:29:19,383 --> 00:29:20,884
For more than two decades
488
00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:24,096
he's been working with the Chineseon their pollution problems.
489
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:28,308
The Chinese government asked Danto help them reduce emissions
490
00:29:28,392 --> 00:29:33,272
by getting polluters to pay for theCO2 they spew into the atmosphere.
491
00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:35,065
It's called cap and trade.
492
00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:39,194
Today he's invited me outto Hong Kong's Victoria Harbor
493
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:41,989
to explain exactly what that means.
494
00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:45,158
I'll do my best; we have
a fabulous backdrop for that here
495
00:29:45,242 --> 00:29:47,244
on the Hong Kong skyline.
496
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:51,248
Imagine that each building
is an emission source.
497
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,461
And the height of each building is
the level of its annual emissions.
498
00:29:56,545 --> 00:29:58,130
So for example the tall one
499
00:29:58,213 --> 00:30:02,092
might be a very old traditional
coal-fired power plant.
500
00:30:02,175 --> 00:30:04,594
A shorter building would be
natural gas,
501
00:30:04,678 --> 00:30:08,432
which has a lot less in the way
of carbon content, than coal does.
502
00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:11,518
Okay so if the tall building
is the heavy polluter,
503
00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:13,854
and the little building
is the low polluter
504
00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:17,482
how do they work together
to decrease the emissions?
505
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:20,068
Well, the government
is going to set a limit,
506
00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,779
a maximum level
in terms of total emissions,
507
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:27,242
and we could imagine that as a line
drawn across all of these buildings.
508
00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:31,204
Dan tells me this line, or "cap,"is the amount of pollution
509
00:30:31,288 --> 00:30:33,290
the governmentis willing to tolerate.
510
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:38,045
To avoid a steep penalty, companiesabove this line must pollute less
511
00:30:38,128 --> 00:30:41,340
or buy "credits"from the companies below the line.
512
00:30:41,423 --> 00:30:44,176
Then, over time,the cap gets lowered,
513
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:48,597
allowing less carbon pollution,and making credits more expensive.
514
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,434
So over time,
as the level of emissions drops,
515
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,979
they'll have to switch over
to cleaner energy, right?
516
00:30:56,063 --> 00:30:59,191
With a market like this,
we stimulate innovation.
517
00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:01,818
People gonna come up with new ideas.
518
00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:04,154
In fact, the race toward the future
519
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:08,200
is gonna be about
the global clean energy economy,
520
00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:11,370
and I think China's
a lot more prepared for that
521
00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:12,954
than the United States is.
522
00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:15,916
If Dan seems pessimisticabout the U.S.,
523
00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,668
it's because president Obamatried to pass
524
00:31:18,752 --> 00:31:22,005
a national "cap-and-trade" bill7 years ago.
525
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:24,007
But it died in Congress.
526
00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:30,555
When I think about the future
and you know my real anxieties,
527
00:31:31,348 --> 00:31:36,603
it's probably as much about
what the United States won't do,
528
00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:38,188
as what China will do.
529
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:40,816
And now there's little hopethat a similar bill
530
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,610
would even surfacein a Trump presidency.
531
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:46,029
Still, China is planning to roll out
532
00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:49,408
a nationwide cap and trade programnext year.
533
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:55,539
After months of trying,
534
00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:58,542
Waukegan has been unableto bring NRG to the table
535
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:01,128
to discuss the futureof its coal plant.
536
00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:05,006
And then I seethat in the middle of their fight,
537
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:08,385
the company's CEO,David Crane, was fired.
538
00:32:09,553 --> 00:32:11,763
He was supposed to have beenvery progressive.
539
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:14,224
That's right.
It's a company in transformation.
540
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,560
Trying to turn a brown companygreen.
541
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,103
... and clean energy future.
542
00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:21,231
Believing a bigfossil fuel energy company
543
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:24,443
could transform itselfinto a clean energy leader.
544
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:29,448
I want to ask himwhy won't NRG let go of coal?
545
00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:31,658
I was trying to transform NRG
546
00:32:31,741 --> 00:32:34,786
from being a fossil fuel-based
electricity company
547
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:36,580
into a renewable-based,
548
00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:39,374
and we were moving
in that direction.
549
00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:42,002
If I had been a person
that had kept my head down
550
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:44,296
and never talked about these issues,
551
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,508
then I think
I would still be in the job.
552
00:32:48,592 --> 00:32:50,218
So is that why you got fired?
553
00:32:50,302 --> 00:32:52,762
Because what you were trying
to do failed?
554
00:32:52,846 --> 00:32:57,559
I would not say that
what I had done had failed,
555
00:32:57,642 --> 00:33:02,898
and I would say probably
that it hadn't succeeded yet.
556
00:33:03,732 --> 00:33:10,906
When you were the CEO, NRG bought
a coal plant in Waukegan, Illinois.
557
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:12,908
Why did NRG buy that plant?
558
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:17,954
So we bought that plant as part
of a much larger acquisition
559
00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:20,373
because the portfolio of power
plants we bought
560
00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:22,876
had a very valuable set
of wind farms,
561
00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:26,171
and four coal plants in Illinois
outside of Chicago.
562
00:33:26,254 --> 00:33:29,049
So to get the wind farms
you had to buy the coal plants?
563
00:33:29,633 --> 00:33:33,303
Probably should have just sold the
coal plants when we bought them,
564
00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:37,140
because there's no future in coal
in the United States.
565
00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:40,769
Do you still believe that?
That coal is on its way out?
566
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:44,022
Oh, coal is very much
on its way out.
567
00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:47,901
In the United States coal
has stage IV cancer.
568
00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:51,780
I would suggest that there's
not a single coal-fired power plant
569
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:54,824
in the United States that's making
money today.
570
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:58,870
So you're saying that NRG is keeping
the plant in Waukegan open
571
00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:00,830
in case coal makes a comeback?
572
00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:06,211
Uh, yes. And you're hoping that
at some point prices turn around,
573
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,421
and then you can make
a lot of money.
574
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,132
-Well I've been to Waukegan.
-Oh you have?
575
00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:15,720
And I met with a woman
named Dulce Ortiz,
576
00:34:15,804 --> 00:34:18,390
who, she herself
has developed asthma.
577
00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:20,809
Her mother has developed asthma.
578
00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:22,936
My question is,
579
00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:26,982
do the people inside
of a company like NRG
580
00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:31,736
ever stop to think about the Dulces?
581
00:34:32,445 --> 00:34:37,367
No business allows itself
to be stymied
582
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:43,039
by just some people living
near something,
583
00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:44,874
like that.
584
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:50,088
NRG invested 100 million dollars
in environmental controls
585
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,258
on the Waukegan plant
within the last year.
586
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:56,595
And when a company spends
100 million dollars,
587
00:34:56,678 --> 00:34:59,931
they don't want to close it
the next year.
588
00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:03,143
So then, looking forward, you know,
589
00:35:03,727 --> 00:35:09,691
is it possible to move these huge
companies that exist
590
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:13,820
from a brown industry
into a green industry?
591
00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:17,699
Your question is an unbelievably
important question
592
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:19,326
that nobody is asking.
593
00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:22,579
I'm not confident
that fossil fuel energy companies
594
00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:25,165
will lead
the clean energy revolution.
595
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:28,710
And unfortunately the lesson
of what happened to me
596
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:34,591
is not going to be encouragement for
anyone who wants to radically change
597
00:35:34,674 --> 00:35:36,343
what their company is doing.
598
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:40,764
Based on what David's telling me,getting NRG's new CEO,
599
00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:44,893
Mauricio Gutierrez,to come to the table seems unlikely.
600
00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:46,519
He declined to talk to me,
601
00:35:46,603 --> 00:35:49,397
but the Waukegan activistssay they might have come up
602
00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:52,108
with a way to confront him directly.
603
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:04,663
Now that China is about to unveila national cap and trade program,
604
00:36:04,746 --> 00:36:08,041
making companiespay a price for carbon emissions,
605
00:36:08,124 --> 00:36:11,544
I imagine utility executiveshere will be up in arms.
606
00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,923
It turns out there's a big timeenergy executive
607
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:17,425
who welcomes action on climate.
608
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:21,429
Richard Lancaster is CEOof China Light and Power,
609
00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:25,225
one of the largest independentenergy companies in China,
610
00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:29,270
which for decades has relied on coalto generate profits.
611
00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:33,441
We identified, quite early on,
that climate change is a risk
612
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,820
that we had to bring
into our thinking in the business.
613
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:41,032
We had to really adopt
the scientific targets
614
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:43,368
that said the electricity industry,
as a whole,
615
00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:49,165
had to reduce its carbon intensity
by 75%, or more, by the year 2050,
616
00:36:49,249 --> 00:36:53,420
if global temperatures
were to be stabilized.
617
00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:59,759
David Crane was running NRG
and he also shifted his company,
618
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,095
or tried to, from brown to green.
619
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:06,850
And, in the end,
the company balked and he got fired.
620
00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:12,689
So, how have you been able to manage
this transition so successfully?
621
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,358
The strongest argument I have
622
00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:18,319
is the risks
that this business would be facing
623
00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:20,780
if we don't make that shift.
624
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:24,200
But the reality is
that we are where we are today.
625
00:37:24,284 --> 00:37:27,704
We have built
coal-fired power stations;
626
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:29,956
we've built fossil-fuel
power stations;
627
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:33,460
we run our economies on energy.
628
00:37:33,543 --> 00:37:35,962
And all of that infrastructure
has been built.
629
00:37:36,546 --> 00:37:38,173
Had we known what we do today,
630
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,842
we may have made
different decisions earlier.
631
00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,220
But we now need to accept
that this is an urgent problem
632
00:37:44,304 --> 00:37:45,889
and work as quickly as we can.
633
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:48,767
China said it's going to go ahead
and put a price on carbon.
634
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,812
That's what you mean
when you say the risks to
635
00:37:52,896 --> 00:37:54,647
the coal power business.
636
00:37:54,731 --> 00:37:56,357
It might sound strange,
637
00:37:56,983 --> 00:38:01,070
but I actually welcome the clarity
of having a price on carbon.
638
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:03,740
And it actually makes our job
a lot easier.
639
00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:08,411
If you recognize
that carbon emissions,
640
00:38:08,495 --> 00:38:12,040
they bring about climate change
and there is a cost for that.
641
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:15,502
Then that represents a risk for us
642
00:38:15,585 --> 00:38:19,172
if we're making investments
in coal-fired power.
643
00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:22,842
Knowing that there is price
makes our job of persuading
644
00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:27,180
our shareholders
and government policymakers
645
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:29,682
that this is a sensible choice
646
00:38:29,766 --> 00:38:32,519
to go for renewable energy
rather than coal.
647
00:38:32,602 --> 00:38:36,022
So, for the sake of argument,
pretend that I am...
648
00:38:36,105 --> 00:38:38,691
I am a dissatisfied board member.
649
00:38:38,775 --> 00:38:41,486
You want to move away
from coal into renewables.
650
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,364
And I say,
"Richard, it's too expensive."
651
00:38:44,447 --> 00:38:46,908
"I want my monthly dividends."
652
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:49,869
"I'm against this."
What do you say to me?
653
00:38:49,953 --> 00:38:52,747
Renewable energy is affordable.
654
00:38:53,414 --> 00:38:56,918
It comes with support
from governments.
655
00:38:57,001 --> 00:39:00,588
It comes with subsidies
to close that gap.
656
00:39:01,214 --> 00:39:03,591
And if we're not taking advantage
of that,
657
00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:07,554
we're not acting in the longer-term
interests of our business.
658
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:12,517
So can you guarantee to me
that it will be as profitable
659
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,436
as the coal power business?
660
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,232
I can't guarantee that it will be as
profitable as coal today.
661
00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:22,569
But I can say that, in the future,
662
00:39:22,652 --> 00:39:26,155
renewable energy will be
far more profitable than coal.
663
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,075
Renewables will be
more profitable than coal?
664
00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:31,578
That's good news.
665
00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:58,938
To confront NRG's new CEO,Mauricio Gutierrez,
666
00:39:59,022 --> 00:40:02,525
Dulce and the rest of the activistshave hatched a clever plan:
667
00:40:03,276 --> 00:40:05,945
they've become shareholdersof NRG's stock
668
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,281
so they can attend today'sannual meeting.
669
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:12,702
We should definitely be expecting
the CEO, Mr. Gutierrez
670
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:14,579
to respond to our question.
671
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:16,789
Do you think
he's gonna come to Waukegan?
672
00:40:16,873 --> 00:40:20,960
I'll be very surprised
if he himself actually comes.
673
00:40:23,338 --> 00:40:24,714
Which is what we need.
674
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:26,716
This is nerve-wracking.
675
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,843
But it's critical to remember
676
00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:31,346
we have a right as shareholders
to be there.
677
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:35,975
Our voices deserve to be heard,
so go in there and tell your story.
678
00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:38,937
I think we should all practice
at least part of our speech,
679
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:42,023
if not the whole thing just so that
we don't get too nervous.
680
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:44,859
Thank you President Gutierrez
and members of the board
681
00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:46,694
for the opportunity to speak today.
682
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:51,074
I am Dulce Ortiz and I am a proud
resident of Waukegan, Illinois,
683
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,534
where one of your
many coal plants resides.
684
00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:58,498
Your Waukegan coal plant is the
biggest air polluter in my county
685
00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:03,378
and is responsible
for over 55% of all toxic releases.
686
00:41:04,045 --> 00:41:06,631
Even with your new controlsthe plant is still by far
687
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:10,343
the largest source of air and waterpollution in the entire county
688
00:41:10,426 --> 00:41:12,595
and our communitycontinues to suffer.
689
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,640
One in three children
in Waukegan have asthma
690
00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:18,559
or are undiagnosed
with asthma symptoms.
691
00:41:18,643 --> 00:41:21,437
It damages my health,
the health of my children,
692
00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:23,731
and the health of all residents
of Waukegan.
693
00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:28,987
Continuing to do the minimum
is not effective leadership.
694
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:30,989
You must do more.
695
00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,116
I have a lot of pride in my hometown
696
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,411
and that's why I traveled 800 miles
as a representative
697
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,705
of the up and coming
young people in Waukegan.
698
00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:42,000
Mr. Gutierrez,
Waukeganites are counting on you
699
00:41:42,083 --> 00:41:44,544
to come to Waukegan and work with us
700
00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:47,922
to develop the transition plan
for the coal plant.
701
00:41:48,006 --> 00:41:49,382
Will you do it?
702
00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:51,843
We cannot wait any longer.
703
00:41:59,308 --> 00:42:02,645
The shareholders meetinglasted only 45 minutes.
704
00:42:02,729 --> 00:42:05,481
But everyone was ableto make their speech.
705
00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:09,235
And the CEO, Mauricio Gutierrez,was listening.
706
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:12,321
After I spoke to him, and even
though he didn't give us a date,
707
00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:15,950
he mentioned it,
that he will be going to Waukegan.
708
00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:20,204
As soon as he has some time,
he will visit Waukegan.
709
00:42:20,288 --> 00:42:26,794
I really think this may be a pivot
point in our relationship with them.
710
00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,298
Where do we want to be in a year?
Do we want to be coming back here?
711
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,717
No, absolutely not.
I do not want to be here.
712
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,804
Because it's ridiculous
that we have to come here.
713
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:41,184
All of us here have made sacrifices
away from our friends,
714
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:43,811
away from our families,
taking time off work.
715
00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:46,647
And some of us don't have the luxury
to take the time off.
716
00:42:47,482 --> 00:42:49,525
So, no. I don't want to be here.
717
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:51,110
We've got to keep the issue
718
00:42:51,194 --> 00:42:54,947
at the forefront of every elected
official's minds moving forward,
719
00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:57,909
and make sure he comes to Waukegan
and move this forward.
720
00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,913
The activists' persistencehas paid off:
721
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:04,957
they were able to getthe CEO's attention.
722
00:43:05,041 --> 00:43:07,293
But after all their time and effort,
723
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,796
I'm beginning to wonderif they will ever be able
724
00:43:09,879 --> 00:43:11,547
to close the coal plant.
725
00:43:14,634 --> 00:43:17,386
So I travel to New York Cityto meet the man
726
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,472
who's fundedthe Beyond Coal campaign
727
00:43:19,555 --> 00:43:22,308
to the tune of 80 million dollars.
728
00:43:22,975 --> 00:43:26,187
Now some call this progress
a war on coal.
729
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:30,441
The truth is that coal
is waging a war on American lives.
730
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,444
Michael Bloomberg has beena fierce advocate
731
00:43:33,528 --> 00:43:36,656
for reducing carbon emissionsas mayor of New York City
732
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:38,407
and as a philanthropist.
733
00:43:38,491 --> 00:43:39,867
I want to ask him
734
00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,454
how can a campaign like the onein Waukegan be successful?
735
00:43:43,538 --> 00:43:46,833
So I went to Waukegan and they're
having trouble.
736
00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:51,129
NRG, the company that owns
the coal plant in Waukegan,
737
00:43:51,212 --> 00:43:54,173
they have no intention
of closing the coal plant.
738
00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:56,509
Um, so they've hit a wall there.
739
00:43:56,592 --> 00:44:02,223
Just think about this:
In the United States 14000 deaths
740
00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:07,061
were attributed every year
to coal-fired power plants.
741
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:10,439
That is now down
to roughly 7000 deaths.
742
00:44:10,523 --> 00:44:11,899
Oh, wow.
743
00:44:11,983 --> 00:44:13,776
So 7000 people are living
744
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:16,988
because we reduced the use
of coal in this country.
745
00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:18,489
Not only that,
746
00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:23,286
but America dramatically reduced its
greenhouse gases in the 10 years.
747
00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:27,874
Why? The public is picketing the
power plants and elected officials
748
00:44:27,957 --> 00:44:31,502
are coming around because
their constituents are saying,
749
00:44:31,586 --> 00:44:33,004
"Do something about it."
750
00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:38,843
What is it really going to take
for us to stop burning coal?
751
00:44:39,552 --> 00:44:44,182
Governments exist with the will
of the majority of the people.
752
00:44:44,265 --> 00:44:47,768
And I'm telling you if you complain,
they will do something about it.
753
00:44:48,311 --> 00:44:51,480
So will the owners of the coal-fired
power plants. That's happening.
754
00:44:51,564 --> 00:44:54,567
So then do you think
your investment has been worth it?
755
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:57,445
-Has it been successful?
-Yes.
756
00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:59,113
From my personal point of view,
757
00:44:59,906 --> 00:45:02,909
what better thing could I do
for my children?
758
00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:06,078
You want to go home
and say to your kids,
759
00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:11,083
"Daddy could have made
your life and your children's lives
760
00:45:11,167 --> 00:45:14,337
better and healthier, but
he didn't want to spend the money."
761
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:16,881
I don't want to have
that conversation with my kids
762
00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:18,716
and you with yours.
763
00:45:18,799 --> 00:45:21,427
So how long are you committed
to fighting this fight?
764
00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:24,305
Until it's won.
765
00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:38,611
China and the U.S. have ratifiedthe Paris Climate Agreement.
766
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:42,573
This is not a fight
that any one country,
767
00:45:42,657 --> 00:45:44,659
no matter how powerful,
can take alone.
768
00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:49,038
But now it's up to each partner tolive up to its end of the bargain.
769
00:45:50,498 --> 00:45:53,167
I sit down with oneof the key figures responsible
770
00:45:53,251 --> 00:45:55,670
for the U.S.-China partnership:
771
00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:58,631
Obama's former climate advisor,John Podesta.
772
00:45:58,714 --> 00:46:00,967
And joining us is Orville Schell,
773
00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:04,303
one of the world's leading expertson U.S.-China relations.
774
00:46:04,387 --> 00:46:09,684
I found it very refreshing to be in
a country where everyone agreed
775
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,310
that climate change was real
776
00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:15,898
but there seems to be tremendous
pressure in China
777
00:46:15,982 --> 00:46:19,568
to keep economic progress
rolling along.
778
00:46:19,652 --> 00:46:24,365
Can we trust them to do
what they say they're going to do?
779
00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:29,287
There's always the question of
if in an economy is slowing down,
780
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,039
will they continue that commitment?
781
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:35,042
They don't make
idle public commitments.
782
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:38,170
This was done
at the standing committee level,
783
00:46:38,254 --> 00:46:41,465
endorsed by The People's Congress.
784
00:46:41,549 --> 00:46:44,218
They don't do that
unless they mean it.
785
00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:49,056
The entire fundament of
the Chinese Communist Party's rule
786
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:51,309
is on delivering economically.
787
00:46:51,392 --> 00:46:54,478
So if push comes to shove,
we're going to run into problems.
788
00:46:54,562 --> 00:47:00,609
I think that's why we have
to constantly monitor and verify
789
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:02,695
that the actions are taking place.
790
00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:09,285
Even in that context their growth
is going to be in clean energy.
791
00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:14,749
Making it ever more cheaper
to shift to clean energy sources.
792
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,377
That will help us, that will help
people all around the world,
793
00:47:18,461 --> 00:47:24,967
as these two gigantic economies move
forward in unison to decarbonize.
794
00:47:25,051 --> 00:47:28,763
China is not going to move
on climate if the U.S. doesn't.
795
00:47:29,555 --> 00:47:32,058
And the U.S. is not going to move
if China doesn't.
796
00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:36,729
-So we're in this kind of strange...
-Minuet.
797
00:47:36,812 --> 00:47:38,856
-We're married.
-Yeah.
798
00:47:38,939 --> 00:47:41,859
We wanted ambition from China,
799
00:47:41,942 --> 00:47:45,321
they wanted to see real commitment
from the United States.
800
00:47:45,404 --> 00:47:47,406
We're headed in the right direction,
801
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:50,368
we just need to accelerate
the pace of the movement.
802
00:47:51,077 --> 00:47:53,579
Lots of Chinese would agreewith that.
803
00:47:54,663 --> 00:47:58,000
Back in Hong Kong, where people aremore free to speak openly,
804
00:47:58,084 --> 00:47:59,460
they're doing just that.
805
00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:02,254
The governmentshould be doing a lot of things,
806
00:48:02,338 --> 00:48:03,881
but they are not doing enough.
807
00:48:03,964 --> 00:48:07,301
We as citizens we have to stand up,make our voice heard
808
00:48:07,385 --> 00:48:10,429
we are ready to sacrificeour short term economic interest
809
00:48:10,513 --> 00:48:12,348
for the long term welfare.
810
00:48:12,932 --> 00:48:15,851
Before I left, Imet these climate activists
811
00:48:15,935 --> 00:48:18,771
with the local chapter of 350.org.
812
00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:21,732
Excuse me.
Is this the meeting for the march?
813
00:48:21,816 --> 00:48:24,443
Oh yes! Hi Sigourney.
Hi welcome!
814
00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:28,364
Ringo and Eddy.
815
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,491
-You've come to the right place.
-Thank you.
816
00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:34,245
We're planning the preparations
for tomorrow's parade.
817
00:48:34,328 --> 00:48:37,415
-Tomorrow's the bomb parade.
-It that what that is?
818
00:48:37,498 --> 00:48:42,086
Ringo and Eddy are organizinga march using fake atomic bombs
819
00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:45,047
which represent the amount of heattrapped in the atmosphere
820
00:48:45,131 --> 00:48:46,549
by global warming,
821
00:48:46,632 --> 00:48:50,970
the equivalent of4 Hiroshima bombs every second!
822
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,475
Eddy is a former meteorologistand Ringo worked for a toy company.
823
00:48:57,226 --> 00:49:00,688
They are united in their passionto fight climate change.
824
00:49:01,397 --> 00:49:04,608
We really want the young people to
organize their own movement,
825
00:49:04,692 --> 00:49:07,278
own action.
That's the whole idea.
826
00:49:07,862 --> 00:49:11,490
I work on climate change in America
827
00:49:11,574 --> 00:49:15,035
and sometimes it just seems
kind of hopeless.
828
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,915
How do you keep your spirits up?
'Cause you're very positive guys.
829
00:49:19,999 --> 00:49:21,792
You first.
830
00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:27,047
I think the momentum has been
building up gradually, gradually.
831
00:49:27,131 --> 00:49:29,258
We think this is the
priority of the world.
832
00:49:29,842 --> 00:49:31,760
Of course as a man of science
833
00:49:31,844 --> 00:49:35,556
we look at the data actually
I am on the pessimistic side,
834
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,099
I have to be frank.
835
00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:39,935
But as a human being
I am always optimistic.
836
00:49:40,019 --> 00:49:42,021
-Yeah.
-That's the spirit.
837
00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:43,481
Yes.
838
00:49:47,526 --> 00:49:50,988
In the U.S., thanks in partto the Beyond Coal campaign,
839
00:49:51,071 --> 00:49:54,700
242 plants have closed,or will soon,
840
00:49:54,783 --> 00:49:57,453
but 281 remain.
841
00:49:57,536 --> 00:50:00,164
And the coal industryis fighting regulations
842
00:50:00,247 --> 00:50:02,458
at all levels of government.
843
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:08,130
In Waukegan, NRG's new CEO stillhasn't come to talk to the activists
844
00:50:08,214 --> 00:50:10,716
many monthsafter he promised to do so.
845
00:50:11,926 --> 00:50:16,138
But Rita Mayfield and 26 other localand state representatives
846
00:50:16,222 --> 00:50:18,724
eventually signed the letterto the company.
847
00:50:19,308 --> 00:50:21,143
Mayor Motley did not,
848
00:50:21,227 --> 00:50:23,604
and the Waukeganiteswant to make that an issue
849
00:50:23,687 --> 00:50:25,689
in his upcoming reelection campaign.
850
00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:28,275
Dulce hasn't lost hope
851
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:31,278
that Ivan will grow upin a Waukegan without coal.
852
00:50:32,112 --> 00:50:36,200
And she's found a part of herself
she never knew existed.
853
00:50:36,283 --> 00:50:42,540
I can be an agent of change
and say this is wrong.
854
00:50:42,623 --> 00:50:47,127
This is what we need and
we need it now and who's with me?
855
00:50:47,211 --> 00:50:48,587
Let's go.
856
00:50:48,671 --> 00:50:52,841
Have you ever even entertained
the idea of
857
00:50:53,634 --> 00:50:56,136
how nice it would be
to just give up the fight?
858
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,056
Never.
859
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:03,811
We have the right to clean air
and clean water.
860
00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:08,691
And we shouldn't even be fighting
about it.
861
00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:10,943
Why is this such a struggle?
862
00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:19,702
The fight against climate changeand the transition to cleaner energy
863
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:21,495
is messy and difficult.
864
00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:25,416
But there's so muchto be hopeful about.
865
00:51:25,499 --> 00:51:28,127
Ordinary people,like those in Waukegan,
866
00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:32,006
are doing what they canto take on climate change,
867
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,008
in their corner of the world.
868
00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:43,267
I'm reminded of an ancientChinese proverb that says:
869
00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:48,897
be not afraid of growing slowly,be afraid only of standing still.
870
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:53,652
For now, at least, the U.S.and China are moving together.
871
00:51:54,486 --> 00:51:57,823
But, if President-elect Trumphas his way,
872
00:51:57,906 --> 00:52:02,411
he is likely to undo this hard wonpartnership with the Chinese.
873
00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:07,416
Once again, we could be standingstill on a melting planet.
874
00:52:09,084 --> 00:52:11,337
Are we reallygoing to let that happen?
875
00:52:12,338 --> 00:52:15,466
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