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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,144 --> 00:00:21,187 {\an8}OK... 4 00:00:21,229 --> 00:00:23,148 {\an8}so what happens? 5 00:00:48,089 --> 00:00:51,384 {\an8}- Um... 6 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:53,428 {\an8}I'm actually with, uh... 7 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:56,723 {\an8}with Natalee walking along the beach. 8 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:59,017 {\an8}We lay down together in the sand... 9 00:01:01,269 --> 00:01:05,732 {\an8}And we start kissing each other. 10 00:01:05,774 --> 00:01:09,903 {\an8}I start feeling her up again, she tells me no. 11 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:11,613 Joran, Joran! 12 00:01:11,654 --> 00:01:14,199 It's a name we'd hope we never have to hear again, 13 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,202 Joran van der Sloot. 14 00:01:17,243 --> 00:01:18,870 She's laying down unconscious... 15 00:01:20,288 --> 00:01:24,751 Possibly even, uh, even dead. 16 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:30,965 I decide to take her and to put her into the ocean. 17 00:01:31,007 --> 00:01:34,219 That's not what happened. I'm convinced of that. 18 00:01:35,679 --> 00:01:38,765 There's absolutely no reason to believe me. 19 00:01:38,807 --> 00:01:42,519 I would probably not believe myself, no. 20 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,314 This kid got away with it. 21 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:49,067 So why does he kill another person 22 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,778 when he was as free as a bird? 23 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:52,821 Joran, Joran! 24 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:54,280 Joran van der Sloot, 25 00:01:54,322 --> 00:01:55,782 a suspect in the disappearance 26 00:01:55,824 --> 00:01:58,660 of Natalee Holloway, is now the number one suspect 27 00:01:58,702 --> 00:02:01,204 in the murder of a young woman here in Lima. 28 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,715 He shows absolutely no remorse. 29 00:02:11,756 --> 00:02:15,385 He shows such a lack of concern. 30 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:17,053 But if you don't think that this story 31 00:02:17,095 --> 00:02:19,305 could get any darker, 32 00:02:19,347 --> 00:02:21,683 stand by, because it does. 33 00:02:21,725 --> 00:02:23,309 A surprising development in a mystery 34 00:02:23,351 --> 00:02:25,145 going back almost 20 years. 35 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,730 {\an8}- Van der Sloot is accused of 36 00:02:26,771 --> 00:02:28,815 {\an8}offering to tell Natalee's family 37 00:02:28,857 --> 00:02:33,403 {\an8}where she was buried in exchange for $1/4 million. 38 00:02:33,445 --> 00:02:37,490 To come up with this master plan of extorting 39 00:02:37,532 --> 00:02:41,661 the grieving mother, it's so far beyond 40 00:02:41,703 --> 00:02:45,999 what you would expect even a psychopathic killer to do. 41 00:02:46,041 --> 00:02:50,086 {\an8}- 18 years later, my mom is standing in the courthouse 42 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:52,130 {\an8}within feet of the guy that-- 43 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,216 {\an8}that killed my sister. 44 00:02:56,051 --> 00:03:00,680 {\an8}He has single-handedly destroyed everyone around him 45 00:03:00,722 --> 00:03:04,934 {\an8}just for his own selfish existence on this earth. 46 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:11,024 {\an8}- It's just important for everyone to know the truth. 47 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:14,944 {\an8}- He's incapable of telling the truth. 48 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:16,863 {\an8}He's a pathological liar. 49 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:31,920 {\an8}Mm... 50 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:07,057 First, a very serious story. 51 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:10,143 A high school senior from Alabama is missing today. 52 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:12,812 She disappeared during a trip to Aruba. 53 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:15,607 She was there celebrating her graduation. 54 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:16,983 Nicknamed "Hootie," 55 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:18,943 Natalee went to Aruba on a senior trip. 56 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,988 This story just broke across the wires today. 57 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:24,282 We're going to be following it up on it tomorrow. 58 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:32,040 I remember sitting on the bus 59 00:05:32,082 --> 00:05:36,044 and one of our chaperones saying, you know, 60 00:05:36,086 --> 00:05:38,380 has anyone seen Natalee? 61 00:05:38,421 --> 00:05:40,507 Everyone is here except for Natalee. 62 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:44,844 {\an8}And so at first, 63 00:05:44,886 --> 00:05:48,181 {\an8}she must have, like, been sleeping through her alarm. 64 00:05:48,223 --> 00:05:50,141 {\an8}Um... 65 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:55,563 But then very, very quickly, it took a pretty scary turn. 66 00:05:57,399 --> 00:05:59,526 She wasn't in her room. 67 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:02,070 She wasn't on the beach. 68 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:05,699 We collectively started trying to understand, like, 69 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:09,202 who saw her last and who was she with. 70 00:06:09,244 --> 00:06:12,747 A lot of us were not prepared to leave without her. 71 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:16,001 We were all just devastated. Just devastated. 72 00:06:16,042 --> 00:06:18,294 This is what our parents had always 73 00:06:18,336 --> 00:06:21,339 told us to be careful of. 74 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:26,886 {\an8}Natalee is a good girl from a good family, 75 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:30,932 {\an8}straight-A student, she's about to go off to college. 76 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:34,477 All right. Who's our special guest today? 77 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,354 - It's Hootie. - Hootie Hoo Holloway. 78 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:37,605 Hi, friend. 79 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:39,399 Just, you know, sitting in the back, 80 00:06:39,441 --> 00:06:41,234 cruising over to my place. 81 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:44,487 Called her Hootie. She was hilarious. 82 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:46,948 There's Hootie. 83 00:06:46,990 --> 00:06:50,994 {\an8}But if she liked or didn't like something, you knew. 84 00:06:51,036 --> 00:06:54,664 A fearless friend, so completely herself. 85 00:06:54,706 --> 00:07:00,253 Like so silly, so fun, so smart. 86 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:04,341 {\an8}She had a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. 87 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:06,217 {\an8}Her plan was to do pre-med. 88 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:09,929 She earned that. She worked so hard. 89 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:11,514 I have no doubt that she would 90 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,351 be the best physician out there. 91 00:07:15,852 --> 00:07:18,938 How could this happen? 92 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:21,066 When you were watching this, 93 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:25,445 you just wanted the worst-case scenario not to be true. 94 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:30,075 She's approximately 5'5". She weighs about 110 pounds. 95 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,994 Beth Holloway is absolutely convinced 96 00:07:33,036 --> 00:07:34,621 that something has happened. 97 00:07:34,662 --> 00:07:37,832 {\an8}She's desperate to find Natalee, 98 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:43,129 {\an8}and she actually arranges to be flown down to the island. 99 00:07:44,756 --> 00:07:47,384 By the time we were home, Beth was in Aruba. 100 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,844 We all gathered at my house, 101 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:51,513 just trying to rack our brains, 102 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:55,141 relay any information that we possibly can back to Beth. 103 00:07:58,186 --> 00:08:03,316 Within hours, we had realized who Joran was. 104 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:09,280 One friend could describe him and she could name him. 105 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:12,325 Beth goes to the Holiday Inn where Natalee had been staying. 106 00:08:16,371 --> 00:08:22,252 And at the desk is a woman who remembers Natalee. 107 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:25,922 And when Beth says the name Joran, 108 00:08:25,964 --> 00:08:29,092 she knows exactly who he is. 109 00:08:29,134 --> 00:08:30,760 He's here often. 110 00:08:30,802 --> 00:08:32,262 She said, oh, that's Joran van der Sloot, 111 00:08:32,303 --> 00:08:37,058 he likes to prey upon young female tourists. 112 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,437 When I heard that, I was like, oh, my gosh. 113 00:08:40,478 --> 00:08:43,982 Oh dear God, you know, he got one, you know? 114 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:59,182 She didn't answer her phone, so it was not normal. 115 00:09:59,224 --> 00:10:01,267 {\an8}My dad got worried, 116 00:10:01,309 --> 00:10:04,354 {\an8}and he started to call all her friends. 117 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:09,651 {\an8}Then we find out that the last place that they saw her 118 00:10:09,693 --> 00:10:11,861 {\an8}was entering to the casino. 119 00:10:43,226 --> 00:10:46,146 The family approached the owner of the casino. 120 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:49,607 {\an8}They bring the Flores' family into the back room 121 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:52,527 {\an8}and they start matching up the cameras. 122 00:10:55,864 --> 00:10:59,242 They find Stephany. 123 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:02,037 They see the guy standing next to her. 124 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:04,664 You see them on the casino floor. 125 00:11:04,706 --> 00:11:07,083 They're gambling together 126 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:11,463 and this is camera after camera, 127 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:14,174 just one angle cutting to the next. 128 00:11:17,093 --> 00:11:21,848 You can trace their movements through the casino 129 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:26,478 until they walk out of the casino into the dark together. 130 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,022 So at that point, they have a face. 131 00:11:29,064 --> 00:11:30,440 They don't have a name yet, 132 00:11:30,482 --> 00:11:34,069 but Joran had registered for a prize at the casino. 133 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:35,945 So when he registered for that, 134 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:38,865 he put down his name. 135 00:11:38,907 --> 00:11:40,742 So all of a sudden, they have a name, 136 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,119 they have a face, 137 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,747 punched it into the internet, oh, my God. 138 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:05,725 And at that moment, we find out who he was. 139 00:12:05,767 --> 00:12:07,143 They're frantic. 140 00:12:07,185 --> 00:12:09,104 There's just howls and shrieking 141 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:12,315 and they know that the daughter's probably dead. 142 00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:39,634 It was Natalee who asked me to go out with her. 143 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:41,511 It was her that asked me to come to the club. 144 00:12:41,553 --> 00:12:44,514 It was her that was yelling at me to go dance with her. 145 00:12:44,556 --> 00:12:47,350 Psychiatrists aren't allowed to diagnose public figures 146 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:49,811 without having personally assessed them. 147 00:12:49,853 --> 00:12:52,355 That said, everything I've read about him 148 00:12:52,397 --> 00:12:54,149 is consistent with what you would see 149 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:56,151 if he were psychopathic. 150 00:12:56,192 --> 00:12:59,404 {\an8}Externalizing blame is a real hallmark of psychopathy 151 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,489 {\an8}where everything is somebody else's fault. 152 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:02,532 {\an8}It's never your fault. 153 00:13:02,574 --> 00:13:03,658 {\an8}You can always come up with a reason 154 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:05,577 {\an8}that somebody else is really to blame. 155 00:13:05,618 --> 00:13:08,038 She came to me, she was the one that talked to me. 156 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:09,372 And she wanted to come with us 157 00:13:09,414 --> 00:13:11,958 and... it was probably a bad choice. 158 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,293 We probably should have told her 159 00:13:13,335 --> 00:13:14,878 she had to get out of the car. 160 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:18,506 And then you never know what would have happened. 161 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:21,343 The teenager was last seen leaving this establishment 162 00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,720 on Monday morning at 1:30. 163 00:13:26,848 --> 00:13:29,684 That night, Natalee was one of my buddies. 164 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:34,272 A lot of us are up on the bar 165 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,733 {\an8}dancing and talking, and I snapped a photo. 166 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,571 And you can see Natalee talking to one of our friends, 167 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:44,949 and we were just having a great time. 168 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,036 So when we were all ready to go home, we were starving, 169 00:13:48,078 --> 00:13:51,247 and we were at the food truck 170 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:54,668 right outside Carlos'n Charlie's. 171 00:13:54,709 --> 00:14:00,465 And this is when I saw Natalee in a car. 172 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:05,261 The car was silver... 173 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:08,139 and she was in the back seat. 174 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:10,183 I can see her waving to us. 175 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:12,769 I see it so vividly. 176 00:14:12,811 --> 00:14:15,438 She was really happy. 177 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,901 She was laughing and singing and waving to us. 178 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:21,403 And so we literally were like, 179 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:25,073 oh, how funny, there goes Natalee. 180 00:14:25,115 --> 00:14:27,617 I guess she got a ride home. 181 00:14:27,659 --> 00:14:28,952 And... 182 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:32,622 That was the last time we saw her. 183 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:41,923 {\an8}- Her parents showed up at my door with her picture. 184 00:14:41,965 --> 00:14:43,758 I didn't even know who Natalee Holloway was. 185 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,510 I didn't even know her name. 186 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:47,929 Beth is really anxious. 187 00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:49,806 She's very worried about her daughter. 188 00:14:49,848 --> 00:14:53,351 Now she has a name, she's able to get an address. 189 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:55,103 {\an8}And she goes back to the police station 190 00:14:55,145 --> 00:14:56,521 {\an8}because she wants help. 191 00:14:58,273 --> 00:15:00,275 I knew a lot of the police guys. 192 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:03,611 On a small island, we grow up together. 193 00:15:03,653 --> 00:15:06,865 I spoke English like an American. 194 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:09,367 {\an8}And I looked more American 195 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,703 {\an8}than some of the other people trying to help. 196 00:15:11,745 --> 00:15:14,205 So I said I'd be glad to help in any way I could. 197 00:15:15,874 --> 00:15:21,338 Beth was very grieving and very frustrated, 198 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:23,882 but she was definitely on a mission. 199 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:27,677 I asked the police, do you know where the guy lives? 200 00:15:27,719 --> 00:15:29,387 And she said, yeah, yeah. 201 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,848 So we went and we drove around the house. 202 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:36,853 And I saw the silver car. 203 00:15:36,895 --> 00:15:41,775 So I felt settled in that we were at the right place. 204 00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:43,318 Police knock on the door. 205 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,113 Joran van der Sloot's father, Paulus, answers the door. 206 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:51,326 Then father said to Joran, tell them what you know. 207 00:15:51,368 --> 00:15:53,703 And Joran said, no, I don't know anything about her. 208 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:55,955 I don't know who it is. I did meet her. 209 00:15:55,997 --> 00:15:57,916 We went out and had some drinks. 210 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:01,419 But no, that's as far as it goes. 211 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:03,713 And I said, you better tell the truth. 212 00:16:03,755 --> 00:16:07,008 Whatever it is, if you did nothing, say that. 213 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,720 Don't lie because you're going to get in a lot of trouble. 214 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:15,392 And then he said we took her to the Holiday Inn. 215 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:19,813 And at the Holiday Inn, she got out and she tripped. 216 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:23,566 When she tripped, she banged her head, 217 00:16:23,608 --> 00:16:25,610 then went into the Holiday Inn, 218 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,320 but never came back and they left. 219 00:16:29,948 --> 00:16:33,410 The feeling I got was that he wasn't solid, you know. 220 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:34,577 It's just a feeling that you get 221 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:37,914 from people when they're not solid 222 00:16:37,956 --> 00:16:39,207 about what they're saying. 223 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:41,209 I didn't know if he was guilty, 224 00:16:41,251 --> 00:16:43,169 but I did feel that he wasn't innocent. 225 00:16:45,422 --> 00:16:47,048 And at that point, 226 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:50,677 father looked at the crowd and he said that's it. 227 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:52,429 Joran van der Sloot's family 228 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:54,431 was very influential on the island. 229 00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,141 {\an8}His mother was well-known and well-liked. 230 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:57,809 {\an8}She was a schoolteacher. 231 00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:01,730 {\an8}His father was a prominent lawyer up for a judgeship. 232 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,858 {\an8}- Joran had moved to Aruba when he was a young boy, 233 00:17:04,899 --> 00:17:06,818 {\an8}but he'd been born back in the Netherlands 234 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:10,321 {\an8}and the father wanted to work his way up in the legal ranks, 235 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,741 {\an8}and maybe going to a far-flung outpost 236 00:17:12,782 --> 00:17:15,410 {\an8}was a way for him to get a judgeship. 237 00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:18,788 So the family wound up in this island paradise. 238 00:17:20,832 --> 00:17:24,169 For a teenage boy, there was a lot to do. 239 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:26,046 He had kind of the run of the island 240 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:28,131 and he had a mean streak. 241 00:17:29,758 --> 00:17:32,844 I mean, we had heard that he had anger issues. 242 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:36,181 {\an8}We would hear that from former girlfriends 243 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:39,434 {\an8}or people who knew the family. 244 00:17:39,476 --> 00:17:42,645 {\an8}- There had been reports of his abuse of animals. 245 00:17:42,687 --> 00:17:45,523 He had thrown a homeless man off of a bridge, 246 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,650 much to his amusement. 247 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:52,530 There were reports from women on the island 248 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:56,659 that he had harassed or sexually pressured young girls. 249 00:17:56,701 --> 00:18:02,248 One of the girls was as young as 12. 250 00:18:02,290 --> 00:18:04,292 But the problem was any of the women 251 00:18:04,334 --> 00:18:06,670 who had come forward were so frightened 252 00:18:06,711 --> 00:18:09,506 by this media that was now on the island 253 00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:12,384 that we really were never able to get 254 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:16,262 a full picture of what exactly had transpired. 255 00:18:17,931 --> 00:18:22,227 Joran was creating some tension in the home as well. 256 00:18:22,268 --> 00:18:24,270 He had two younger brothers 257 00:18:24,312 --> 00:18:28,483 and was bullying one in particular. 258 00:18:28,525 --> 00:18:30,360 And at that point, the family said, 259 00:18:30,402 --> 00:18:33,697 OK, this has gone on too far. 260 00:18:33,738 --> 00:18:35,782 {\an8}Deliberately harming an innocent victim 261 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:37,742 {\an8}just for the fun of it, stealing, lying, 262 00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:39,828 {\an8}when you start seeing not just 263 00:18:39,869 --> 00:18:41,579 {\an8}one kind of antisocial behavior, 264 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:44,165 {\an8}but a whole range of them, that's when you start 265 00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:48,420 {\an8}suspecting a kid has a real disorder of aggression. 266 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:49,921 These are children who are at risk 267 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:53,216 of becoming psychopathic as adults. 268 00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:56,094 His mother, Anita, did seek help 269 00:18:56,136 --> 00:18:59,597 and did have Joran speak with a therapist on the island. 270 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:04,227 And at one point, Joran was moved from the house 271 00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:08,023 and into this guest cottage where he could be on his own 272 00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:11,109 and there was a physical separation 273 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:13,987 between the brothers. 274 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:16,072 And that gave him the ability to just 275 00:19:16,114 --> 00:19:18,450 come and go as he pleased. 276 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,452 So he looked older for his age. 277 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,620 He could go into casinos, gamble. 278 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:24,748 You could get free drinks while you're gambling. 279 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:27,834 It was perfect and nobody questioned him. 280 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:30,837 {\an8}Joran is a teenager, 281 00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:34,674 {\an8}17-year-old teenager like every other boy. 282 00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:38,053 He's a very honest boy. He's very sincere. 283 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:41,765 Why--why would a boy who has enough friends, 284 00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:45,769 who has a normal life going on, 285 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:51,191 why would a boy do something wrong to a girl he just met? 286 00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:53,318 The truth will come out. 287 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:54,778 And when I look at this boy, 288 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:56,988 I only can say he's telling the truth. 289 00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:37,570 {\an8}Next day, the police found her vehicle in an alley. 290 00:22:27,472 --> 00:22:30,100 {\an8}He had changed his appearance by the time he got to the car. 291 00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:32,435 He shaved his hair somewhat. He had dyed it. 292 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:35,438 He had changed his clothes. 293 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,108 He knew that everyone was looking for him at that point. 294 00:23:12,684 --> 00:23:17,897 As you know, our primary goal is to bring Natalee back home. 295 00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:20,025 We will do whatever it takes. 296 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:21,860 There is a significant reward 297 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:25,113 for the person who returns Natalee to us safely. 298 00:23:26,531 --> 00:23:30,118 Please help bring her home. 299 00:23:31,411 --> 00:23:32,954 The disappearance of Natalee Holloway 300 00:23:32,996 --> 00:23:35,123 topped the ratings over the Iraq War. 301 00:23:35,165 --> 00:23:37,417 {\an8}I mean, the fascination with the story 302 00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:40,879 {\an8}was like nothing we'd ever seen, you know, since OJ. 303 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,172 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! 304 00:23:42,213 --> 00:23:43,840 - . - Can you give us a statement? 305 00:23:43,882 --> 00:23:45,759 - Hey, hey, hey. - Talk to us. 306 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:50,680 It was the perfect storm. 307 00:23:50,722 --> 00:23:53,683 But let's go to Michelle Kosinski for the very latest. 308 00:23:53,725 --> 00:23:55,643 Michelle, what's been going on today? 309 00:23:55,685 --> 00:23:57,187 Today was really about emotion. 310 00:23:57,228 --> 00:23:59,022 First, we saw Natalee Holloway's mother, 311 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:00,148 Beth, go-- 312 00:24:00,190 --> 00:24:01,566 There are so many aspects to it 313 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:03,693 that grip people's attention. 314 00:24:03,735 --> 00:24:05,737 {\an8}There's the mystery of it. 315 00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:09,532 {\an8}There's the sympathetic fear of I'm a parent, 316 00:24:09,574 --> 00:24:12,327 {\an8}I send my kids away to camp or whatever, 317 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,579 {\an8}and you tell yourself, oh, what are the odds, you know. 318 00:24:14,621 --> 00:24:19,459 And then something happens like on this level. 319 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:21,336 You can't stop watching. 320 00:24:21,378 --> 00:24:23,630 And you want everything to be OK, 321 00:24:23,672 --> 00:24:25,882 but you kind of know it isn't. 322 00:24:25,924 --> 00:24:29,219 And then you want to know who did it and why. 323 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:33,431 We have no information, no clothing, 324 00:24:33,473 --> 00:24:37,352 {\an8}no foot marks, no blood, 325 00:24:37,394 --> 00:24:39,896 nothing to go off of to be able to dictate 326 00:24:39,938 --> 00:24:43,400 what happened to this literal angel. 327 00:24:46,027 --> 00:24:48,154 {\an8}They can find the haystack, we can find the needles, 328 00:24:48,196 --> 00:24:50,407 {\an8}so the problem is where's the haystack? 329 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,578 The FBI was here. 330 00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:59,124 Search dogs were here. 331 00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:06,214 {\an8}The Dutch army even flew over Aruba 332 00:25:06,256 --> 00:25:09,551 {\an8}with special airplanes that could detect heat. 333 00:25:12,095 --> 00:25:16,141 {\an8}Summer 2005 was a complete roller-coaster 334 00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:20,979 {\an8}with media because it would be this person has this lead. 335 00:25:21,021 --> 00:25:22,772 The security camera at a gas station 336 00:25:22,814 --> 00:25:24,274 reportedly caught an image 337 00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,985 of what someone thought was Natalee Holloway. 338 00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:31,197 Then it was big hopes, super exciting. 339 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:33,408 And in my mind, I was like, oh, my gosh, 340 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:34,993 we could talk to her tomorrow. 341 00:25:35,035 --> 00:25:36,786 We know that she's on the island. 342 00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:38,455 It really feels strongly that she's 343 00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:40,206 being kept against her will. 344 00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:43,126 Well, you know, and it was so thrilling and so exciting. 345 00:25:43,168 --> 00:25:44,669 It turned out those blonde hairs 346 00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:45,795 that were found on duct tape 347 00:25:45,837 --> 00:25:48,214 a few weeks ago were not Natalee's. 348 00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:49,841 Crash. Nothing. 349 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:55,805 I had that gut feeling that, uh... 350 00:25:55,847 --> 00:25:57,682 just as a parent, you just have that feeling 351 00:25:57,724 --> 00:26:01,353 that she's not here anymore. 352 00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:03,480 But on the other hand, I had to convince everybody else 353 00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:07,192 that I had the wrong feelings, 354 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:11,529 that maybe we would find her alive or whatever. 355 00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:17,035 But I had that sinking feeling that things aren't right. 356 00:26:17,077 --> 00:26:20,121 I remember my dad jumping down into a landfill 357 00:26:20,163 --> 00:26:25,293 {\an8}and just physically ripping open trash bags, garbage bags, 358 00:26:25,335 --> 00:26:28,338 {\an8}moving large appliances, 359 00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:31,174 picking up stuff with his bare hands 360 00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:33,968 and just searching for Natalee's body. 361 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:36,763 My dad was in that 100% 362 00:26:36,805 --> 00:26:41,434 and seeing that was really powerful. 363 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:48,024 There's a lot of times over the years 364 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:51,236 where sunglasses were my best friend. 365 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,196 And, you know, 366 00:26:53,238 --> 00:26:55,699 to hide the tears that were running down your face. 367 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,785 So I started having panic attacks, 368 00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:01,371 and the attacks became so bad, 369 00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:02,997 I thought I was going to have a heart attack. 370 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,207 Sometimes you lose it and you start 371 00:27:04,249 --> 00:27:06,710 just digging in a sand dune or-- 372 00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:08,169 let's look in this hole, you know, 373 00:27:08,211 --> 00:27:10,463 knowing that there's nothing there, 374 00:27:10,505 --> 00:27:14,551 you know, but let's do it. 375 00:27:17,012 --> 00:27:18,596 It's just really hard to be around 376 00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,932 that kind of loss and emotion. 377 00:27:20,974 --> 00:27:24,686 Like, that kind of loss, it's so awful. 378 00:27:26,271 --> 00:27:30,900 It's so deep and you're around it day after day, you know. 379 00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:34,487 Authorities continue to question 380 00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,906 three men Holloway was last seen with. 381 00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:39,117 Dutch teen, Joran van der Sloot, 382 00:27:39,159 --> 00:27:42,495 and Surinamese brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. 383 00:27:42,537 --> 00:27:44,873 All three men apparently acknowledged 384 00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:47,250 giving her a ride back to her hotel 385 00:27:47,292 --> 00:27:49,169 the night of her disappearance. 386 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,963 They had interviewed the three suspects, 387 00:27:52,005 --> 00:27:53,631 and they said the route they took 388 00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:56,217 was around the lighthouse, and then they came back 389 00:27:56,259 --> 00:27:59,512 and dropped her off in the lobby of the Holiday Inn. 390 00:27:59,554 --> 00:28:02,307 The surveillance footage of the Holiday Inn was viewed 391 00:28:02,349 --> 00:28:06,394 and we found out that she did not return to the hotel. 392 00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:08,104 There is absolutely no footage of her 393 00:28:08,146 --> 00:28:10,231 anywhere outside of the hotel. 394 00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:12,400 There's no car dropping her off. 395 00:28:12,442 --> 00:28:14,611 {\an8}And at this point, 396 00:28:14,652 --> 00:28:17,489 {\an8}Joran van der Sloot's story begins to change. 397 00:28:19,616 --> 00:28:22,535 So now he claims that he took Natalee to the beach 398 00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:26,456 and that he left Natalee at the beach. 399 00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:28,041 I-I thought maybe she'd understand. 400 00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:30,126 She told me, no, she wanted me to stay there with her 401 00:28:30,168 --> 00:28:31,461 because the next day she was leaving 402 00:28:31,503 --> 00:28:33,713 and she wanted to stay there the whole night. 403 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,382 I told her, no, I had to go. 404 00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:39,260 I even--I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel. 405 00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:41,763 And she told me to put her down. 406 00:28:43,515 --> 00:28:45,892 And he claims that he called one of the Kalpoe brothers, 407 00:28:45,934 --> 00:28:48,144 Deepak, to come and pick him up. 408 00:28:48,186 --> 00:28:51,022 And that he went home. 409 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,359 But... 410 00:28:57,487 --> 00:28:59,614 Police had gone back and they were able to discover 411 00:28:59,656 --> 00:29:05,829 that, in fact, Deepak was home that night on his computer. 412 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:08,248 And at some time after 3:00 a.m., 413 00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:11,835 Joran had sent him a message saying, I'm home. 414 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,131 The story was unraveling. 415 00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:19,217 {\an8}As pieces of evidence came in that worked against him, 416 00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:20,844 {\an8}he would switch his story. 417 00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:22,637 {\an8}- I would love for someone to come and tell me 418 00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:24,681 {\an8}if there's anything worse I did because 419 00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:28,226 {\an8}I've never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. 420 00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:30,603 {\an8}Truly pathological liars, that's exactly how they lie. 421 00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:31,688 When the lie is disproven, 422 00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:33,273 you turn around and tell another lie 423 00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:35,233 without even stopping to catch your breath. 424 00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,235 That's true pathological lying. 425 00:29:37,277 --> 00:29:38,945 How did you feel when you left her? 426 00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:40,113 Well, at the time I didn't-- 427 00:29:40,155 --> 00:29:42,615 I didn't feel it was a bad idea. 428 00:29:42,657 --> 00:29:44,242 At the time, I really didn't. 429 00:29:44,284 --> 00:29:47,037 You know, like you don't care about the truth. 430 00:29:47,078 --> 00:29:48,288 I think one of the early pictures I saw of him, 431 00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:50,206 he had a little bit of a smirk on his face... 432 00:29:51,916 --> 00:29:53,793 Which I remember thinking was a little bit surprising 433 00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,670 for somebody who was being, you know, 434 00:29:55,712 --> 00:29:58,715 falsely accused of a terrible crime you didn't commit. 435 00:29:58,757 --> 00:30:01,092 What was the last thing that she said to you? 436 00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:02,969 Um--I--she didn't say any last thing to me. 437 00:30:03,011 --> 00:30:05,597 The last thing I said to her was bye. 438 00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:09,684 He came across as cocky and not caring. 439 00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:12,062 It didn't faze him at all. 440 00:30:12,103 --> 00:30:14,147 I think Joran felt untouchable 441 00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:16,733 because of his father's status on the island. 442 00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:18,401 How's he doing? 443 00:30:18,443 --> 00:30:21,237 Paulus has a very close relationship 444 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,824 to the Chief of Police, van der Straaten. 445 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,785 They know each other from the Netherlands 446 00:30:26,826 --> 00:30:29,537 and there was speculation that Chief van der Straaten 447 00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:32,415 is Joran van der Sloot's godfather. 448 00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:35,877 This is my name, Commissioner van der Straaten. 449 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:39,422 And at some point, we learn that a meeting has taken place 450 00:30:39,464 --> 00:30:44,302 at the van der Sloot home between Paulus van der Sloot, 451 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:48,807 his son, Joran, and the two Kalpoe brothers. 452 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,768 The prosecutor's office let us know that 453 00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:53,645 Joran van der Sloot's father 454 00:30:53,687 --> 00:30:55,480 {\an8}allegedly told all three of the boys 455 00:30:55,522 --> 00:30:58,608 {\an8}that without a body, there is no case. 456 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,610 It is believed that Paulus was 457 00:31:00,652 --> 00:31:05,115 counseling the three of them to not say anything, 458 00:31:05,156 --> 00:31:08,243 not speak to police. 459 00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:12,038 Because if there is no body, there is no crime. 460 00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:17,293 At that point, suspicion starts to really move 461 00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:19,587 to Joran's father, Paulus. 462 00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:22,799 Is there anything you'd like to say? 463 00:31:22,841 --> 00:31:26,469 What does he know? What is he counseling his son? 464 00:31:26,511 --> 00:31:28,805 Are they trying to get their story straight? 465 00:31:28,847 --> 00:31:32,684 There's a belief that perhaps Paulus was directly involved 466 00:31:32,726 --> 00:31:34,185 in whatever it was 467 00:31:34,227 --> 00:31:36,938 that happened to Natalee's body after she died. 468 00:31:51,661 --> 00:31:53,663 11 days after Natalee disappeared, 469 00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:57,042 police arrested Joran the very day 470 00:31:57,083 --> 00:32:01,046 he was supposed to have graduated from high school. 471 00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:03,131 Finally, finally, 472 00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:07,177 {\an8}Joran van der Sloot is arrested under suspicion of murder. 473 00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:12,223 There's a lot of questions about why now. 474 00:32:12,265 --> 00:32:13,683 Authorities are saying that 475 00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:15,643 they are doing everything methodically, carefully, 476 00:32:15,685 --> 00:32:17,937 and by the book. 477 00:32:17,979 --> 00:32:20,440 There was no real piece of evidence 478 00:32:20,482 --> 00:32:24,194 linking him to Natalee's disappearance. 479 00:32:24,235 --> 00:32:28,490 But unlike our system where you need to have evidence, 480 00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:30,033 in the Dutch system, 481 00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:33,787 you are able to hold somebody under suspicion. 482 00:32:33,828 --> 00:32:36,206 {\an8}It's called a preventive detention. 483 00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:42,962 {\an8}And during that period is when the investigation goes deeper. 484 00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:49,719 With no real evidence to further this case, 485 00:32:49,761 --> 00:32:52,222 police were really looking at ways 486 00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,391 to try and get him to speak. 487 00:32:54,432 --> 00:32:56,810 And they did countless interviews with him. 488 00:32:56,851 --> 00:33:00,397 These were intense multi-hour interrogations. 489 00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:01,606 {\an8}The interrogations, of course, 490 00:33:01,648 --> 00:33:03,483 {\an8}were horrible because they put-- 491 00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:05,402 {\an8}they put stuff in your head. 492 00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:07,278 They really try and make you look guilty, 493 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,947 even if you're not guilty. 494 00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:11,700 No matter who was interviewing Joran, 495 00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:15,286 he would tell a story, and it would feel 496 00:33:15,328 --> 00:33:17,330 as though he was getting to the point 497 00:33:17,372 --> 00:33:20,750 where he was going to perhaps confess. 498 00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,669 And then he would always pull back, 499 00:33:22,711 --> 00:33:25,046 and the story would go off on a tangent. 500 00:33:25,088 --> 00:33:27,966 And there would be details that would come in 501 00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:31,177 that were not there before. 502 00:33:31,219 --> 00:33:33,263 And all of a sudden, he's pointing the finger 503 00:33:33,304 --> 00:33:34,973 at the Kalpoe brothers... 504 00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:41,438 That they knew that he had gone home 505 00:33:41,479 --> 00:33:44,065 and he had left Natalee at the beach. 506 00:33:44,107 --> 00:33:47,819 And perhaps one of them went back to the beach... 507 00:33:47,861 --> 00:33:50,488 and he killed Natalee. 508 00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:53,783 Just dancing circles around the investigators. 509 00:33:53,825 --> 00:33:56,619 He seemed to be enjoying himself. 510 00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:58,830 {\an8}He knew there was no body to find. 511 00:33:58,872 --> 00:34:02,292 {\an8}His father had told him, no body, no crime. 512 00:34:02,334 --> 00:34:03,835 How you doing, Joran? 513 00:34:03,877 --> 00:34:07,839 And he never once admitted to this crime. 514 00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:10,008 And so people on the island would say, well, you know, 515 00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:11,509 he was interrogated. 516 00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:14,596 He didn't admit it, maybe he didn't do it. 517 00:34:14,637 --> 00:34:16,848 Or maybe he's a sociopath. 518 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,625 Joran van der Sloot, jailed since June 7th... 519 00:34:45,418 --> 00:34:48,755 Now a free man. 520 00:34:48,797 --> 00:34:52,217 He returned home to cheers from friends and family. 521 00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:56,763 If they suspect that you're a part of a crime, 522 00:34:56,805 --> 00:35:00,558 {\an8}it's up to the prosecutor to gather additional information. 523 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,477 {\an8}If they don't, then they're set free. 524 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,771 And no new evidence was presented. 525 00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:09,693 So, on September 3, 2005, they let him go. 526 00:35:09,734 --> 00:35:14,364 Joran was the last person seen with my daughter. 527 00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:16,282 He knows what happened. 528 00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:18,785 And now he's free and clear. 529 00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:22,872 {\an8}Joran looked at a very bright future, just graduated, 530 00:35:22,914 --> 00:35:25,291 {\an8}accepted at a lot of universities 531 00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:28,086 {\an8}and was ready to go to Tampa to study. 532 00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:32,507 His life has been turned upside down completely. 533 00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:35,260 I hope that everyone gives Joran a chance 534 00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:37,137 to continue his life. 535 00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,431 For lying, I probably deserved to be 536 00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,891 in that jail for three months. 537 00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,561 But I did not do anything against the law, and... 538 00:35:44,602 --> 00:35:46,062 they have to let you go. 539 00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:48,356 They have to let me get on with my life. 540 00:35:51,943 --> 00:35:55,113 I want to thank everyone for coming. 541 00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:57,449 The day that Joran was released from prison 542 00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:59,159 was a real turning point, 543 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,411 you know, for Beth, for Dave, 544 00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,497 for anybody who was hoping 545 00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:08,251 for any kind of justice for Natalee. 546 00:36:08,293 --> 00:36:11,212 What it was basically telegraphing to everybody 547 00:36:11,254 --> 00:36:12,964 was... 548 00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:15,050 he got away with this. 549 00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:16,384 For the rest of my life, 550 00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:18,428 I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, 551 00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:20,472 seeking justice in Aruba. 552 00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:23,391 Every parent would want the same justice 553 00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:25,310 for their child. 554 00:36:25,352 --> 00:36:28,188 Thank you. 555 00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,607 We didn't think there was a chance in hell 556 00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:33,985 that Joran would get out-- absolutely not. 557 00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:36,863 Joran is a time bomb waiting to go off. 558 00:36:36,905 --> 00:36:39,657 And it truly concerns me that another young female 559 00:36:39,699 --> 00:36:41,534 would fall victim to this. 560 00:36:41,576 --> 00:36:44,162 So I think the safest place for Joran to be 561 00:36:44,204 --> 00:36:47,415 and for his potential victims to be 562 00:36:47,457 --> 00:36:51,127 would be for him to be behind bars. 563 00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:55,340 He does not need to have another young female 564 00:36:55,382 --> 00:36:57,592 fall victim to his actions. 565 00:37:30,417 --> 00:37:31,584 The Flores family 566 00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:33,128 is becoming more and more desperate. 567 00:37:33,169 --> 00:37:35,005 {\an8}They've got the news of who this kid is. 568 00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:37,507 The more and more time slips away, 569 00:37:37,549 --> 00:37:39,259 something terrible has happened. 570 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,261 They know it in their hearts. 571 00:42:02,939 --> 00:42:04,190 One of the suspects 572 00:42:04,232 --> 00:42:05,859 in Natalee Holloway's disappearance 573 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,277 left Aruba Monday. 574 00:42:07,318 --> 00:42:09,738 Joran van der Sloot left to attend college 575 00:42:09,779 --> 00:42:11,531 in the Netherlands. 576 00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:14,534 Joran was supposed to go to the United States. 577 00:42:14,576 --> 00:42:17,912 {\an8}He had a scholarship to a college in Florida, 578 00:42:17,954 --> 00:42:19,789 {\an8}and he was going to play tennis. 579 00:42:19,831 --> 00:42:21,875 {\an8}He was a fabulous tennis player in Aruba. 580 00:42:21,916 --> 00:42:23,752 And so, all of a sudden, 581 00:42:23,793 --> 00:42:27,464 his whole life also is upended. 582 00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:34,095 His parents send him back to the Netherlands, 583 00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:36,264 where he enrolls in school there. 584 00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:40,018 And the media--intense media is still following him. 585 00:42:45,982 --> 00:42:47,275 {\an8}In a sort of weird way, 586 00:42:47,317 --> 00:42:49,402 {\an8}he liked the attention he was getting. 587 00:42:49,444 --> 00:42:51,363 Did you kill Natalee Holloway? 588 00:42:51,404 --> 00:42:52,947 No. 589 00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:54,949 Everybody was talking about this case. 590 00:42:54,991 --> 00:42:56,493 It went international, 591 00:42:56,534 --> 00:43:00,288 and I think that he would say anything just to keep 592 00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:03,667 the limelight on himself. 593 00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:05,043 {\an8}Joran van der Sloot 594 00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,128 {\an8}quickly figured out how to manipulate the media. 595 00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:09,339 {\an8}I think out of the gate, he realized 596 00:43:09,381 --> 00:43:12,384 he could use this to his advantage. 597 00:43:12,425 --> 00:43:14,844 It was almost a cat-and-mouse game with him and the media, 598 00:43:14,886 --> 00:43:17,639 but as we know, that game became 599 00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:19,557 very, very dangerous later on. 600 00:43:24,771 --> 00:43:27,315 Now for more on what could be a major development 601 00:43:27,357 --> 00:43:29,109 in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. 602 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:30,443 This Dutch reporter claims 603 00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:32,278 that he has solved the Natalee Holloway case, 604 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,156 {\an8}that he has a confession on tape. 605 00:43:35,198 --> 00:43:37,617 {\an8}We did a hidden-camera operation. 606 00:43:37,659 --> 00:43:40,161 Peter de Vries was a Dutch journalist, 607 00:43:40,203 --> 00:43:44,207 and, obviously, he was hot on this story. 608 00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:46,835 And he is going to make it his mission 609 00:43:46,876 --> 00:43:49,963 to get Joran to confess. 610 00:43:50,005 --> 00:43:53,758 Peter de Vries connects with a gentleman 611 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,012 named Patrick van der Eem. 612 00:43:57,053 --> 00:43:59,723 And Patrick has befriended Joran, 613 00:43:59,764 --> 00:44:01,933 and he's convinced that he can get Joran 614 00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:05,020 to confess. 615 00:44:05,061 --> 00:44:08,189 So they end up concocting a situation 616 00:44:08,231 --> 00:44:10,358 in which Joran is in a car 617 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,986 that they rigged with cameras and audio. 618 00:44:13,028 --> 00:44:14,404 And, yeah... 619 00:44:35,592 --> 00:44:39,262 In this particular version of events, 620 00:44:39,304 --> 00:44:41,890 he was with Natalee at the beach, 621 00:44:41,931 --> 00:44:44,059 and she began convulsing. 622 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,394 And she fell unconscious. 623 00:44:46,436 --> 00:44:48,271 He believed that she was dead, 624 00:44:48,313 --> 00:44:50,607 and he called a friend, who came with a boat. 625 00:45:13,463 --> 00:45:15,507 We all gathered at a friend's house, 626 00:45:15,548 --> 00:45:19,052 had this big screen that we were going to watch it on. 627 00:45:19,094 --> 00:45:22,597 {\an8}It was wild to watch. 628 00:45:25,225 --> 00:45:28,228 In that interview, he said Natalee is dead. 629 00:45:28,269 --> 00:45:29,646 So that was the first time 630 00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:32,232 that I had really, like, heard that out loud. 631 00:45:32,273 --> 00:45:34,901 I need to start to come to terms with that. 632 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,616 {\an8}I wanted to come through the TV and kill him. 633 00:45:41,658 --> 00:45:44,786 {\an8}I wanted to peel his skin off his face. 634 00:45:44,828 --> 00:45:46,204 {\an8}- I mean, it was like, 635 00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:50,709 {\an8}how could somebody be so cruel and inhumane? 636 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:52,293 I was shell-shocked. 637 00:45:52,335 --> 00:45:54,254 It was a good thing there was an ocean 638 00:45:54,295 --> 00:45:55,880 between us and Holland, 639 00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:58,717 because I would have come after him. 640 00:45:58,758 --> 00:46:01,469 He shows absolutely no remorse. 641 00:46:01,511 --> 00:46:05,056 He shows such a lack of concern. 642 00:46:06,516 --> 00:46:11,021 At this point, we're seeing how dark of a young man 643 00:46:11,062 --> 00:46:13,523 Joran van der Sloot was becoming. 644 00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:19,320 And in my mind, case closed. 645 00:46:19,362 --> 00:46:21,948 That was that. We got the information. 646 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:23,700 The authorities looked into it. 647 00:46:26,411 --> 00:46:28,538 Joran van der Sloot was questioned 648 00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:31,082 by Aruban and Dutch police on Friday. 649 00:46:31,124 --> 00:46:33,626 It happened less than a week after a Dutch TV program aired 650 00:46:33,668 --> 00:46:35,837 a hidden-camera interview with van der Sloot, 651 00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:39,257 saying he was with the missing Alabama teen when she died. 652 00:46:39,299 --> 00:46:41,551 During his questioning, van der Sloot insisted 653 00:46:41,593 --> 00:46:43,678 he was under the influence of marijuana 654 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,096 during the interview 655 00:46:45,138 --> 00:46:48,350 and denied any role in Holloway's disappearance. 656 00:47:05,325 --> 00:47:07,744 Even if a person confesses to a crime, 657 00:47:07,786 --> 00:47:11,623 {\an8}you need extra evidence in order to charge. 658 00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:23,259 He was very cocky during the interrogations. 659 00:47:27,597 --> 00:47:30,684 But I do think that he knew 660 00:47:30,725 --> 00:47:34,104 that they wouldn't be able to frame anything on him. 661 00:47:41,152 --> 00:47:44,406 Why? Because somebody helped him... 662 00:47:44,447 --> 00:47:47,200 somebody very close to him... 663 00:47:47,242 --> 00:47:50,286 very, very close to him. 664 00:47:50,328 --> 00:47:54,165 Nobody else would take that risk. 665 00:47:59,212 --> 00:48:01,256 Tonight, the incredible new twist 666 00:48:01,297 --> 00:48:03,633 in the Natalee Holloway investigation. 667 00:48:03,675 --> 00:48:06,469 {\an8}Joran van der Sloot goes on the record with a shocking talk 668 00:48:06,511 --> 00:48:08,847 {\an8}of what he says happened to Natalee Holloway 669 00:48:08,888 --> 00:48:11,099 {\an8}the night she disappeared from Aruba. 670 00:48:11,141 --> 00:48:15,937 {\an8}In 2008, I had a meeting with Greta Van Susteren, my boss. 671 00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:20,483 And she said she had received an email from Joran. 672 00:48:20,525 --> 00:48:24,404 And I was to fly to Thailand 673 00:48:24,446 --> 00:48:26,614 and meet with him. 674 00:48:26,656 --> 00:48:30,285 At this point, his life was in turmoil. 675 00:48:30,326 --> 00:48:31,828 He was a gambling addict, 676 00:48:31,870 --> 00:48:34,039 and he was desperate for money. 677 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,209 He had a friend in Thailand, and he ended up in Thailand. 678 00:48:39,711 --> 00:48:42,422 My assignment was to track him down 679 00:48:42,464 --> 00:48:45,133 and secure an interview. 680 00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,801 But the conditions of that were 681 00:48:46,843 --> 00:48:50,638 we were going to pay him $25,000 682 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,142 to tell us what happened to Natalee Holloway. 683 00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:58,980 I knew he wanted the money, but here was the problem. 684 00:48:59,022 --> 00:49:02,567 Going to Thailand and giving somebody $25,000 685 00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:04,944 is incredibly problematic. 686 00:49:04,986 --> 00:49:08,490 There's a rule that you can only legally take $5,000 687 00:49:08,531 --> 00:49:10,658 with you into the country. 688 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,494 The rest of the money had to come in 689 00:49:12,535 --> 00:49:14,371 in $5,000 wire transfers. 690 00:49:14,412 --> 00:49:16,748 There's a time difference, 691 00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:20,418 and we can only do $5,000 in a 24-hour time period. 692 00:49:21,711 --> 00:49:24,881 He was desperate, and he wanted that money, 693 00:49:24,923 --> 00:49:27,926 and he was growing increasingly impatient. 694 00:49:27,967 --> 00:49:31,763 So, in that time period, I had to entertain him. 695 00:49:33,264 --> 00:49:36,768 Being with Joran van der Sloot, he's incredibly charming. 696 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:38,520 I had to constantly remind myself 697 00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:39,854 why I was there and who he was. 698 00:49:39,896 --> 00:49:43,733 He was cordial. He was funny. 699 00:49:43,775 --> 00:49:47,153 But I realized how incredibly dangerous of a situation 700 00:49:47,195 --> 00:49:48,655 I was in. 701 00:49:48,697 --> 00:49:50,907 He could have snapped on me. 702 00:49:50,949 --> 00:49:53,743 I saw that in the hotel room. He was incredibly agitated. 703 00:49:53,785 --> 00:49:56,079 At one point, he asked me to go get the money 704 00:49:56,121 --> 00:49:57,372 out of my own personal account 705 00:49:57,414 --> 00:49:59,457 because he couldn't wait any longer. 706 00:50:00,875 --> 00:50:05,171 So Greta arrives, and we had no time to waste. 707 00:50:05,213 --> 00:50:08,091 He's agitated and wants to get this interview over 708 00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,427 because he knows the faster the interview is over, 709 00:50:10,468 --> 00:50:12,095 {\an8}the faster he's going to get the payment. 710 00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:15,682 {\an8}You met a guy in February of three years ago 711 00:50:15,724 --> 00:50:17,225 {\an8}who said he was interested in something. 712 00:50:17,267 --> 00:50:18,727 {\an8}What was he interested in? 713 00:50:18,768 --> 00:50:21,896 {\an8}As the story unfolds, he tells a tale... 714 00:50:21,938 --> 00:50:25,692 {\an8}He was interested in me bringing him a blonde girl. 715 00:50:25,734 --> 00:50:29,571 He had been in contact with a guy from Venezuela, 716 00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:31,156 met him at a casino, 717 00:50:31,197 --> 00:50:34,034 and the guy said that, you know, he would pay money 718 00:50:34,075 --> 00:50:38,621 for American girls, particularly blonde girls. 719 00:50:38,663 --> 00:50:42,834 {\an8}And then he said to meet him at the beach by the Marriott 720 00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:45,879 {\an8}if I ever got a girl and that he would give me $10,000. 721 00:50:48,214 --> 00:50:51,885 The day I met Natalee, I remembered what he said. 722 00:50:51,926 --> 00:50:55,889 In the moment, as the story is unfolding, 723 00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:58,224 it's feasible. 724 00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:03,104 We all know human trafficking is a huge problem. 725 00:51:03,146 --> 00:51:05,440 So I'm putting the pieces together in my head 726 00:51:05,482 --> 00:51:08,068 that this is a possibility. 727 00:51:08,109 --> 00:51:12,947 But what happens next astounded all of us. 728 00:51:14,699 --> 00:51:17,369 After the interview, we're on our way to the airport, 729 00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:20,789 and Greta receives a text 730 00:51:20,830 --> 00:51:23,625 that says, "Everything I told you was a lie. 731 00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:26,127 I just did it for the money." 732 00:51:26,169 --> 00:51:28,546 Greta looks at me and says, "What do you think?" 733 00:51:28,588 --> 00:51:30,507 And I said, "I think he's telling the truth here 734 00:51:30,548 --> 00:51:32,092 for the first time." 735 00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:36,221 {\an8}We still do not know which version, if any, is the truth. 736 00:51:36,262 --> 00:51:38,056 {\an8}- We made the decision 737 00:51:38,098 --> 00:51:40,517 {\an8}to air the Joran van der Sloot interview, 738 00:51:40,558 --> 00:51:43,395 {\an8}disclosing that we had paid him the money. 739 00:51:43,436 --> 00:51:45,814 {\an8}And I think in our minds, 740 00:51:45,855 --> 00:51:48,024 {\an8}that was our way of getting back at him 741 00:51:48,066 --> 00:51:51,152 {\an8}and showing the world how dark he had become 742 00:51:51,194 --> 00:51:54,197 {\an8}and how he now had perfected 743 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,534 {\an8}using the disappearance of Natalee Holloway 744 00:51:57,575 --> 00:51:59,536 to make himself money to finance 745 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:01,496 his desperate gambling addiction. 746 00:52:08,712 --> 00:52:11,506 A potentially key witness in the disappearance 747 00:52:11,548 --> 00:52:15,010 of American teen Natalee Holloway has died. 748 00:52:15,051 --> 00:52:17,971 Paul van der Sloot collapsed playing tennis. 749 00:52:18,013 --> 00:52:20,223 Joran gets a phone call from his mother, 750 00:52:20,265 --> 00:52:23,018 alerting him that his father had a heart attack 751 00:52:23,059 --> 00:52:24,644 and he died. 752 00:52:24,686 --> 00:52:26,354 There was a lot of speculation 753 00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:28,690 {\an8}the intense pressure and scrutiny 754 00:52:28,732 --> 00:52:31,192 {\an8}under which his son had put him 755 00:52:31,234 --> 00:52:35,447 is what really led to him having this heart attack. 756 00:52:37,115 --> 00:52:40,243 Joran literally throws himself on the casket 757 00:52:40,285 --> 00:52:42,328 and says, this is all my fault. 758 00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:44,039 I did this to you. 759 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,874 Makes a big scene. 760 00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:49,085 Whether it was an act or whether it was sincere, 761 00:52:49,127 --> 00:52:51,338 only Joran can answer that question, 762 00:52:51,379 --> 00:52:54,382 but he was visibly... 763 00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:57,052 broken by the death of his father. 764 00:52:57,093 --> 00:52:59,346 {\an8}I don't know if a person like Joran van der Sloot 765 00:52:59,387 --> 00:53:01,139 {\an8}has any kind of remorse. 766 00:53:01,181 --> 00:53:04,392 But what we do know was that his dad 767 00:53:04,434 --> 00:53:07,187 was his rock for a long time, 768 00:53:07,228 --> 00:53:10,065 to the point that lots of people believe 769 00:53:10,106 --> 00:53:11,900 that his dad helped him 770 00:53:11,941 --> 00:53:15,779 cover up the body of a young woman 771 00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:18,948 so that it was never seen again. 772 00:53:20,492 --> 00:53:24,788 Whether his father helped him out that night or not, 773 00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:27,540 he had to have known that his father 774 00:53:27,582 --> 00:53:30,251 was always going to support him. 775 00:53:30,293 --> 00:53:33,380 And then that one person 776 00:53:33,421 --> 00:53:35,924 was suddenly gone. 777 00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:38,093 So he comes back to Aruba, 778 00:53:38,134 --> 00:53:40,929 and he moves back in with his mother. 779 00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:45,225 And it's my belief that losing his father 780 00:53:45,266 --> 00:53:48,520 really marked another turning point 781 00:53:48,561 --> 00:53:50,480 for Joran. 782 00:53:50,522 --> 00:53:52,732 If you don't think that this story could get any darker, 783 00:53:52,774 --> 00:53:54,442 stand by, because it does. 784 00:53:54,484 --> 00:53:56,695 When he flies back to Aruba, 785 00:53:56,736 --> 00:54:00,615 you would expect someone to be mourning the loss of a parent, 786 00:54:00,657 --> 00:54:02,617 assisting his mom. 787 00:54:02,659 --> 00:54:04,786 Instead, Joran van der Sloot is doing 788 00:54:04,828 --> 00:54:07,789 the most horrific, heinous thing 789 00:54:07,831 --> 00:54:10,250 that you could possibly imagine. 790 00:54:10,291 --> 00:54:13,628 He allegedly contacted Natalee's mother in Alabama 791 00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:15,964 and offered to tell her what happened to her daughter, 792 00:54:16,006 --> 00:54:18,258 including where her remains are, 793 00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:21,094 in exchange for a quarter of a million dollars. 794 00:54:23,179 --> 00:54:24,806 He contacted me. 795 00:54:24,848 --> 00:54:27,142 {\an8}Hi, John, this is Joran. 796 00:54:27,183 --> 00:54:28,768 {\an8}Quickly got to the point 797 00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:32,147 about, you know, he wants to clear his soul, 798 00:54:32,188 --> 00:54:33,606 clear his conscience 799 00:54:33,648 --> 00:54:36,151 and really tell what happened to Natalee 800 00:54:36,192 --> 00:54:38,945 and stop the Holloway grief and things like that. 801 00:54:38,987 --> 00:54:43,158 But in exchange, he would like $250,000. 802 00:54:47,078 --> 00:54:49,873 The lack of emotions that he has 803 00:54:49,914 --> 00:54:52,208 {\an8}when he is reaching out 804 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,795 {\an8}to Beth Holloway to get money from her, 805 00:54:55,837 --> 00:55:00,050 knowing that this woman lost her child... 806 00:55:00,091 --> 00:55:01,217 he doesn't care. 807 00:55:01,259 --> 00:55:05,263 There's no registration of empathy. 808 00:55:05,305 --> 00:55:08,266 And that's characteristic psychopath right there. 809 00:55:10,018 --> 00:55:13,772 So I said, let me talk to Beth. 810 00:55:13,813 --> 00:55:15,857 I said, I've got an idea, Beth. 811 00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,778 I think I can do something. 812 00:55:19,819 --> 00:55:22,989 If he takes money, that's extortion. 813 00:55:23,031 --> 00:55:25,367 If we can set it up where a wire's part of it, 814 00:55:25,408 --> 00:55:26,826 that's wire fraud. 815 00:55:26,868 --> 00:55:29,079 We could, you know, get him on both those counts, 816 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,624 U.S. charges, and, you know, lock this guy up. 817 00:55:32,665 --> 00:55:35,377 I called the FBI right away. I said, let's do this. 818 00:55:35,418 --> 00:55:36,795 Can we do this? 819 00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,800 Joran was like, let's meet in Aruba. 820 00:55:41,841 --> 00:55:44,302 You can bring the first $25,000 with you, 821 00:55:44,344 --> 00:55:46,554 and I'll give you all the information. 822 00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:48,431 Went down there, met with him. 823 00:55:48,473 --> 00:55:50,392 You could tell all he wanted to do 824 00:55:50,433 --> 00:55:51,643 was get right to the point. 825 00:55:51,685 --> 00:55:53,353 Like, did you bring the money? 826 00:55:53,395 --> 00:55:54,979 I said, yes, I did, Joran. 827 00:55:55,021 --> 00:55:58,692 I could only bring $10,000 in cash, so we're going to-- 828 00:55:58,733 --> 00:56:00,902 I'm going to give you $10,000 829 00:56:00,944 --> 00:56:04,406 and have $15,000 wired by Beth. 830 00:56:04,447 --> 00:56:07,117 We got the car the FBI had provided me. 831 00:56:07,158 --> 00:56:09,536 It was all rigged up with video cameras 832 00:56:09,577 --> 00:56:11,830 and audio cameras. 833 00:56:11,871 --> 00:56:16,001 He pointed to one house, said, this is the house. 834 00:56:16,042 --> 00:56:18,169 That's where you're saying Natalee's remains are? 835 00:56:18,211 --> 00:56:19,254 He said yes. 836 00:56:19,295 --> 00:56:21,214 Definitely. 837 00:56:21,256 --> 00:56:23,925 My father brought me here one day 838 00:56:23,967 --> 00:56:27,804 and showed me this location. 839 00:56:27,846 --> 00:56:29,806 He told me that he had gone home 840 00:56:29,848 --> 00:56:32,100 and told his father what happened, 841 00:56:32,142 --> 00:56:35,353 and he had driven back with his father 842 00:56:35,395 --> 00:56:40,025 and pointed out where Natalee was. 843 00:56:40,066 --> 00:56:43,528 Paulus had told Joran to wait in the car, 844 00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:47,949 and Joran understood that his dad had gone down, 845 00:56:47,991 --> 00:56:50,326 pulled Natalee further into the brush, 846 00:56:50,368 --> 00:56:54,789 and covered her with a couple pieces of large cardboard 847 00:56:54,831 --> 00:56:56,458 and left her there. 848 00:56:56,499 --> 00:56:59,252 And then he said, I don't know if my dad came back 849 00:56:59,294 --> 00:57:02,005 the next night or two nights later, 850 00:57:02,047 --> 00:57:05,008 got her body, and disposed of it then. 851 00:57:07,218 --> 00:57:10,305 I thought it was all bullshit right from the start, 852 00:57:10,347 --> 00:57:12,140 'cause his dad was dead. 853 00:57:12,182 --> 00:57:15,560 Joran loves giving information that can't be verified, 854 00:57:15,602 --> 00:57:19,105 you know, so this was just one more, you know, spoke 855 00:57:19,147 --> 00:57:22,609 in the wheel of lies of his. 856 00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:25,653 The FBI had told me they knew it was a hoax 857 00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:27,697 because they had satellite photos 858 00:57:27,739 --> 00:57:29,991 of the area where the house was, 859 00:57:30,033 --> 00:57:32,660 showing that it was still undeveloped land 860 00:57:32,702 --> 00:57:35,080 at that point in 2005. 861 00:57:37,457 --> 00:57:39,793 That was that, and... 862 00:57:39,834 --> 00:57:42,087 I went back to the hotel. 863 00:57:42,128 --> 00:57:46,216 FBI guys were all ecstatic, and they said, great job. 864 00:57:46,257 --> 00:57:51,096 We've got it all on videotape. We've got it all on audiotape. 865 00:57:51,137 --> 00:57:52,639 And... 866 00:57:52,681 --> 00:57:54,432 nothing happened. 867 00:57:54,474 --> 00:57:56,768 I don't know why they didn't pick him up. 868 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,855 It was like, guys, you got the whole thing videotaped 869 00:58:00,897 --> 00:58:02,982 and audiotaped-- what are you doing? 870 00:58:03,024 --> 00:58:06,986 And I start getting emails from Joran. 871 00:58:07,028 --> 00:58:09,072 You seem like a really nice man, Mr. Kelly, 872 00:58:09,114 --> 00:58:11,032 but I'm sorry I did this to you. 873 00:58:11,074 --> 00:58:13,827 I lied about the whole thing. 874 00:58:13,868 --> 00:58:16,663 You know, thank you for the money. 875 00:58:16,705 --> 00:58:20,125 It's all about money. 876 00:58:20,166 --> 00:58:23,670 Now he is spending all of his time at the casino. 877 00:58:23,712 --> 00:58:26,131 You know, he's really heavily into gambling. 878 00:58:26,172 --> 00:58:28,717 His mood is very dark. 879 00:58:28,758 --> 00:58:30,427 Anita is very concerned, 880 00:58:30,468 --> 00:58:32,137 and she's convinced 881 00:58:32,178 --> 00:58:34,556 that it is because he's just lost his father, 882 00:58:34,597 --> 00:58:36,182 perhaps there's some guilt. 883 00:58:36,224 --> 00:58:38,143 And she convinces him 884 00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:39,894 {\an8}that he really needs help, 885 00:58:39,936 --> 00:58:42,147 {\an8}more than she can provide for him. 886 00:58:42,188 --> 00:58:45,942 And somehow she gets him to agree 887 00:58:45,984 --> 00:58:48,862 to sign himself in to a facility 888 00:58:48,903 --> 00:58:50,280 back in the Netherlands, 889 00:58:50,321 --> 00:58:53,324 where he's going to get some help. 890 00:58:53,366 --> 00:58:56,286 Anita was completely convinced her son was going. 891 00:58:56,327 --> 00:58:58,663 He was packed. His bags were ready. 892 00:58:58,705 --> 00:59:02,083 And when she came to his room... 893 00:59:02,125 --> 00:59:05,128 she found an empty bedroom... 894 00:59:05,170 --> 00:59:07,297 and his luggage was gone. 895 00:59:09,257 --> 00:59:12,385 But there was a note that Joran left for his mother, 896 00:59:12,427 --> 00:59:15,013 explaining that he had gone to Peru 897 00:59:15,055 --> 00:59:17,098 and that he was going to be participating 898 00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:19,017 in a poker tournament there. 899 00:59:19,059 --> 00:59:20,602 So, essentially, 900 00:59:20,643 --> 00:59:23,480 the money that Joran has extorted from Beth Holloway 901 00:59:23,521 --> 00:59:26,274 ends up funding Stephany Flores's murder. 902 01:00:35,176 --> 01:00:38,596 To batter somebody that brutally, 903 01:00:38,638 --> 01:00:42,767 {\an8}you very likely would be in a state of true rage, 904 01:00:42,809 --> 01:00:47,647 or you would be somebody who had a sadistic streak... 905 01:00:47,689 --> 01:00:50,442 where you found it fun to cause people 906 01:00:50,483 --> 01:00:53,194 enormous amounts of suffering or pain. 907 01:01:06,833 --> 01:01:09,502 The police go through the surveillance tapes. 908 01:01:09,544 --> 01:01:13,006 What happens is, Stephany pulls up in her car. 909 01:01:13,048 --> 01:01:15,175 {\an8}She's parked at such an angle, 910 01:01:15,216 --> 01:01:17,135 {\an8}you know, right by the front door of the hotel. 911 01:01:17,177 --> 01:01:19,304 It's not a space you would park in 912 01:01:19,346 --> 01:01:21,639 if you were going to stay for a while. 913 01:01:21,681 --> 01:01:25,352 She walks in, she looks kind of angry. 914 01:01:25,393 --> 01:01:26,644 This was not a happy visit. 915 01:01:26,686 --> 01:01:28,646 This was not a tryst in a hotel room. 916 01:01:28,688 --> 01:01:32,484 It looked like they were going there to pick up something. 917 01:01:32,525 --> 01:01:34,986 The next thing you see is Joran pop out of the room 918 01:01:35,028 --> 01:01:36,488 some time later. 919 01:01:36,529 --> 01:01:38,656 He goes to a local coffee shop. 920 01:01:38,698 --> 01:01:41,993 He picks up two cups of coffee like he's bringing some coffee 921 01:01:42,035 --> 01:01:44,704 back to the room for his date. 922 01:01:44,746 --> 01:01:46,706 He's aware of the cameras, too. 923 01:01:46,748 --> 01:01:50,043 You know, he looks straight up at it. 924 01:01:50,085 --> 01:01:51,670 He was trying to establish an alibi-- 925 01:01:51,711 --> 01:01:53,797 you know, why would I bring two cups of coffee 926 01:01:53,838 --> 01:01:55,590 if she was dead? 927 01:01:55,632 --> 01:01:59,719 And he goes back in the room, thinks about what to do 928 01:01:59,761 --> 01:02:04,140 and, ultimately, just packs up his stuff, gets in her car, 929 01:02:04,182 --> 01:02:07,227 and just disappears. 930 01:02:07,268 --> 01:02:10,313 And he drives not far from the hotel, 931 01:02:10,355 --> 01:02:12,273 and he abandons the car. 932 01:02:14,818 --> 01:02:16,695 And it was a high crime area. 933 01:02:16,736 --> 01:02:18,738 He dropped the car off in a place 934 01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:20,949 that would maybe throw the police off the scent. 935 01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:24,202 And that bought him some time. 936 01:02:24,244 --> 01:02:26,913 {\an8}There's no panic. There's no fear. 937 01:02:26,955 --> 01:02:31,084 {\an8}There's premeditation. There's methodical planning. 938 01:02:31,126 --> 01:02:34,963 He was very calm, cool, collected, 939 01:02:35,005 --> 01:02:37,924 made a plan. 940 01:02:37,966 --> 01:02:41,553 That takes a lot of meticulousness, 941 01:02:41,594 --> 01:02:44,681 and you only get that with experience. 942 01:03:38,234 --> 01:03:43,073 He's such an easy liar, and he seems to lie for fun. 943 01:03:43,114 --> 01:03:45,408 And after years, 944 01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:47,285 it became like a game to him. 945 01:03:47,327 --> 01:03:49,996 {\an8}He really seemed to... 946 01:03:50,038 --> 01:03:54,042 {\an8}get off on having everybody hang on his every word 947 01:03:54,084 --> 01:03:57,003 {\an8}and then be disappointed when they find out it's just a lie. 948 01:03:57,045 --> 01:04:00,131 There's a thrill to the lie, 949 01:04:00,173 --> 01:04:02,550 and there's a thrill in knowing 950 01:04:02,592 --> 01:04:04,636 that you can make anyone believe anything is true. 951 01:04:04,678 --> 01:04:07,305 This is entertainment for him. 952 01:04:07,347 --> 01:04:09,307 The victims are inconsequential. 953 01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:11,601 The larger impacts to their family, 954 01:04:11,643 --> 01:04:14,270 society, it doesn't matter. 955 01:04:23,071 --> 01:04:24,739 Well, it's a name we'd hoped 956 01:04:24,781 --> 01:04:27,951 we'd never have to hear again-- Joran van der Sloot. 957 01:04:27,992 --> 01:04:30,120 Right now police think Joran van der Sloot 958 01:04:30,161 --> 01:04:31,913 may be in Chile, where they're looking for him 959 01:04:31,955 --> 01:04:35,166 as their chief suspect in the murder of a young woman, 960 01:04:35,208 --> 01:04:38,920 a murder they think happened five years to the day 961 01:04:38,962 --> 01:04:41,172 after Joran van der Sloot was the last person 962 01:04:41,214 --> 01:04:43,133 to be seen with Natalee Holloway. 963 01:04:45,552 --> 01:04:48,054 He's in another cab... 964 01:04:48,096 --> 01:04:50,682 passing through a toll booth. 965 01:04:50,724 --> 01:04:52,851 You know, curled up on the floor of the back seat. 966 01:04:52,892 --> 01:04:56,187 The sharp-eyed person at a toll booth looks down-- 967 01:04:56,229 --> 01:04:59,107 {\an8}this is suspicious-- and calls it in. 968 01:04:59,149 --> 01:05:00,525 {\an8}And right there, it's over. 969 01:05:25,216 --> 01:05:28,219 We knew this case was the Twilight Zone 970 01:05:28,261 --> 01:05:30,430 for so many reasons. 971 01:05:30,472 --> 01:05:32,599 It's staggering. 972 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,560 Like, another girl on the anniversary? 973 01:05:35,602 --> 01:05:38,396 Like, on the exact same day? 974 01:05:40,065 --> 01:05:42,650 At Stephany's funeral and burial Thursday, 975 01:05:42,692 --> 01:05:45,236 her father got down on one knee for a farewell kiss 976 01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:47,322 to his beloved daughter. 977 01:05:51,493 --> 01:05:55,455 I sort of felt like I had blood on my hands. 978 01:05:55,497 --> 01:05:57,415 {\an8}I started the wheels in motion, 979 01:05:57,457 --> 01:05:59,000 {\an8}where he took the 25 grand, 980 01:05:59,042 --> 01:06:01,711 {\an8}wanted to play in a poker tournament 981 01:06:01,753 --> 01:06:03,296 over in South America, 982 01:06:03,338 --> 01:06:05,840 and that's where he met Stephany Flores. 983 01:06:08,593 --> 01:06:11,304 You know, I connected a lot of dots, 984 01:06:11,346 --> 01:06:13,682 but, it was a heavy burden. 985 01:06:13,723 --> 01:06:17,227 - Joran! Joran! Joran! - Joran! 986 01:06:17,268 --> 01:06:21,523 And it ended horribly wrong, you know, on all fronts. 987 01:06:23,733 --> 01:06:25,694 His first statement to the Chilean police is, 988 01:06:25,735 --> 01:06:28,988 he's been set up by corrupt Peruvian police officers. 989 01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:30,782 There were just a couple of rogue cops 990 01:06:30,824 --> 01:06:32,742 {\an8}that were harassing him, following him, 991 01:06:32,784 --> 01:06:34,160 {\an8}shaking him down for money. 992 01:06:34,202 --> 01:06:36,454 {\an8}You know, these are the guys you should be looking at. 993 01:06:36,496 --> 01:06:38,081 It's always somebody else. 994 01:06:38,123 --> 01:06:40,500 It's one of his friends. It's his father. 995 01:06:40,542 --> 01:06:43,128 It's the cops. 996 01:06:43,169 --> 01:06:45,588 It's Joran playing the victim. 997 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:47,924 He just seemed to have, like, two middle fingers 998 01:06:47,966 --> 01:06:49,676 up to the world. 999 01:06:49,718 --> 01:06:52,095 Maybe once you reach that point 1000 01:06:52,137 --> 01:06:55,306 and you know that you did something so horrible 1001 01:06:55,348 --> 01:06:58,643 and it finally caught up with you... 1002 01:06:58,685 --> 01:07:01,146 maybe you just don't care anymore. 1003 01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:05,817 He wasn't talking his way out of this case. 1004 01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:09,612 {\an8}It was clear as day that he had murdered Stephany Flores. 1005 01:07:09,654 --> 01:07:12,198 He was out in the open now. 1006 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,452 We saw his true colors. We saw who he was. 1007 01:07:32,052 --> 01:07:34,679 He was probably adrift 1008 01:07:34,721 --> 01:07:36,765 and wanted to tell the world, 1009 01:07:36,806 --> 01:07:40,018 you think that I'm this terrible murderer? 1010 01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:43,897 OK, that's what I will be. I will do this again. 1011 01:09:45,101 --> 01:09:48,313 She had caught wind of who he was, 1012 01:09:48,355 --> 01:09:50,648 and things escalated. 1013 01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:52,567 I'm imagining she probably just wanted to get 1014 01:09:52,609 --> 01:09:55,028 out of the room at that point. 1015 01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:58,948 And, you know, the rest is, you know, just kind of a blur. 1016 01:09:58,990 --> 01:10:01,076 And he just went savage on her. 1017 01:11:26,202 --> 01:11:30,665 {\an8}- He's convicted and sentenced to 28 years in prison. 1018 01:11:30,707 --> 01:11:32,792 {\an8}They don't convict people to life sentences 1019 01:11:32,834 --> 01:11:34,377 {\an8}like we would here. 1020 01:11:34,419 --> 01:11:38,465 {\an8}There's always room for rehabilitation, release, 1021 01:11:38,506 --> 01:11:40,884 even for a murderer like this. 1022 01:12:07,327 --> 01:12:09,996 His new address-- a maximum-security prison, 1023 01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:12,457 home to Peru's most notorious killers, 1024 01:12:12,499 --> 01:12:15,126 rapists, and terrorists. 1025 01:12:37,357 --> 01:12:40,652 Initially, we thought Peruvian prison 1026 01:12:40,694 --> 01:12:42,028 has to be horrifying. 1027 01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:44,030 I mean, that was what we told ourselves-- 1028 01:12:44,072 --> 01:12:46,241 like, there's no way he'll survive. 1029 01:12:47,992 --> 01:12:50,078 Look, he's like a chameleon. 1030 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,247 You know, he's able to adjust. 1031 01:12:52,288 --> 01:12:55,000 It's a lot different than the American prison system. 1032 01:12:55,041 --> 01:12:57,002 It's a little more porous. 1033 01:12:57,043 --> 01:12:58,795 People can come in during the day-- 1034 01:12:58,837 --> 01:13:00,672 wives, girlfriends, vendors. 1035 01:13:00,714 --> 01:13:05,260 And so that allows him access to the outside world. 1036 01:13:05,301 --> 01:13:08,304 It's not like he looks like he's flourishing in Peru, 1037 01:13:08,346 --> 01:13:10,348 by any means. 1038 01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:13,643 {\an8}But learning that he has had the opportunity 1039 01:13:13,685 --> 01:13:15,854 {\an8}to be married 1040 01:13:15,895 --> 01:13:20,358 is mind-blowing to me. 1041 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,903 Somehow he's been allowed to bring a child into this world. 1042 01:14:03,234 --> 01:14:05,153 That always happens, doesn't it? 1043 01:14:05,195 --> 01:14:08,156 {\an8}They see this attractive guy on TV, 1044 01:14:08,198 --> 01:14:11,117 {\an8}and they get wrapped up in the danger 1045 01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:13,661 or the, like, romance of, 1046 01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:16,664 is he an innocent victim, or who is he really? 1047 01:14:16,706 --> 01:14:19,334 Or maybe it's, I can fix him. 1048 01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:36,685 It is disgusting that he's been able to have a wife. 1049 01:14:36,726 --> 01:14:41,106 He can have pen pals. He can father a child. 1050 01:14:46,277 --> 01:14:48,822 Those were all things that Natalee Holloway 1051 01:14:48,863 --> 01:14:50,824 was never able to do. 1052 01:14:50,865 --> 01:14:52,409 It's a shame. 1053 01:15:58,975 --> 01:16:00,602 People who are psychopathic 1054 01:16:00,643 --> 01:16:04,105 {\an8}will often have multiple romantic partners at once. 1055 01:16:04,147 --> 01:16:06,274 You do often see what's called 1056 01:16:06,316 --> 01:16:08,443 sort of impersonal sexual behavior. 1057 01:16:08,485 --> 01:16:10,195 So, engaging in sexual relations 1058 01:16:10,236 --> 01:16:11,780 that don't seem to be associated 1059 01:16:11,821 --> 01:16:13,907 with any kind of a deep attachment. 1060 01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:15,742 You see conning and manipulation, 1061 01:16:15,784 --> 01:16:18,244 because, again, you see other people as instruments 1062 01:16:18,286 --> 01:16:20,038 to get what you want. 1063 01:18:01,681 --> 01:18:05,060 {\an8}He knows what his targets want to hear, 1064 01:18:05,101 --> 01:18:07,562 {\an8}and that's all they are-- they're targets. 1065 01:18:07,604 --> 01:18:10,648 And, ultimately, they're transactions. 1066 01:18:12,609 --> 01:18:14,903 He's getting something out of them. 1067 01:20:31,664 --> 01:20:34,250 Even when he's in prison, 1068 01:20:34,292 --> 01:20:36,503 he's not turning his life around 1069 01:20:36,544 --> 01:20:37,879 and telling the truth 1070 01:20:37,921 --> 01:20:40,006 and wanting to be a good new person. 1071 01:20:40,048 --> 01:20:43,510 No, he's starting a cocaine-trafficking ring 1072 01:20:43,551 --> 01:20:45,387 inside of the prison. 1073 01:20:45,428 --> 01:20:48,181 Why does he want to be so dark? 1074 01:20:48,223 --> 01:20:51,559 I just don't understand why... 1075 01:20:51,601 --> 01:20:53,561 for this human being 1076 01:20:53,603 --> 01:20:56,356 with so much promise and intelligence 1077 01:20:56,398 --> 01:20:58,233 and, like, a future 1078 01:20:58,274 --> 01:21:00,402 and a path and a good family-- 1079 01:21:00,443 --> 01:21:03,071 why does he always choose the dark side? 1080 01:21:12,205 --> 01:21:13,581 A- Nada. 1081 01:21:28,304 --> 01:21:29,639 Almost two decades 1082 01:21:29,681 --> 01:21:32,225 after Natalee Holloway's haunting disappearance, 1083 01:21:32,267 --> 01:21:34,811 the prime suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot, 1084 01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:38,857 touching down tonight in Birmingham, Alabama. 1085 01:21:38,898 --> 01:21:41,443 Joran van der Sloot always wanted to come 1086 01:21:41,484 --> 01:21:43,278 to the United States. 1087 01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:45,989 Well, here he is. 1088 01:21:46,031 --> 01:21:48,116 Van der Sloot was never charged 1089 01:21:48,158 --> 01:21:49,951 in Holloway's disappearance, 1090 01:21:49,993 --> 01:21:52,328 but he is accused of offering to tell Natalee's family 1091 01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:54,831 how she died and where she was buried 1092 01:21:54,873 --> 01:21:58,001 in exchange for a quarter million dollars. 1093 01:21:58,043 --> 01:22:02,797 The only negotiating tool that Joran van der Sloot has 1094 01:22:02,839 --> 01:22:06,092 {\an8}is the truth about what happened to Natalee Holloway. 1095 01:22:06,134 --> 01:22:09,012 Once he gives that information up, he's worthless. 1096 01:22:09,054 --> 01:22:10,889 He's meaningless. 1097 01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:13,558 He has nothing left. 1098 01:22:15,143 --> 01:22:17,479 Today Natalee's mother issuing a statement, 1099 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,815 saying she's hopeful that some small semblance of justice 1100 01:22:20,857 --> 01:22:23,818 will finally be realized. 1101 01:22:23,860 --> 01:22:25,820 The extradition of John van der Sloot 1102 01:22:25,862 --> 01:22:27,781 back to the United States 1103 01:22:27,822 --> 01:22:29,824 is something that Beth's been working on 1104 01:22:29,866 --> 01:22:32,494 since Natalee disappeared. 1105 01:22:32,535 --> 01:22:34,662 It's her second-best shot. 1106 01:22:34,704 --> 01:22:36,664 Her first-best shot would be the recovery 1107 01:22:36,706 --> 01:22:39,125 of her daughter's body. 1108 01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:43,338 Her next-best chance are these extortion charges. 1109 01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:45,131 Long time coming. 1110 01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:50,178 {\an8}All this time, every corner, twist, turn, 1111 01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:52,138 {\an8}it's like, here we are. 1112 01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:55,183 18 years later, my mom is standing in the courthouse 1113 01:22:55,225 --> 01:22:59,938 within feet of the guy that killed my sister. 1114 01:23:02,315 --> 01:23:05,443 We were all on the edge of our seats. 1115 01:23:05,485 --> 01:23:08,488 I just wanted him to say that, yes... 1116 01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:10,407 I killed Natalee. 1117 01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:29,634 - How does it feel? - It feels good. 1118 01:23:29,676 --> 01:23:30,719 It's a nice day. 1119 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,429 It's a good day for judgment. 1120 01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:35,181 Hoping to get answers today? 1121 01:23:35,223 --> 01:23:37,475 {\an8}Joran van der Sloot has never been charged 1122 01:23:37,517 --> 01:23:39,310 {\an8}in the death of Natalee Holloway. 1123 01:23:39,352 --> 01:23:41,479 {\an8}However, the Holloway family attorney says 1124 01:23:41,521 --> 01:23:43,189 {\an8}that he is expected today, Savannah, 1125 01:23:43,231 --> 01:23:46,067 to accept a plea deal related to wire fraud 1126 01:23:46,109 --> 01:23:48,778 and extortion charges, assuming he tells federal authorities 1127 01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:50,363 how Natalee Holloway died 1128 01:23:50,405 --> 01:23:53,116 and the manner in which her body was disposed of. 1129 01:23:58,163 --> 01:24:02,334 I feel like the whole world was in that courtroom with us. 1130 01:24:02,375 --> 01:24:04,711 I mean, I could just feel it. 1131 01:24:04,753 --> 01:24:06,504 It's like, here we are. 1132 01:24:06,546 --> 01:24:09,299 This is the big moment 1133 01:24:09,341 --> 01:24:11,843 where we're finally getting 1134 01:24:11,885 --> 01:24:16,097 {\an8}some semblance of justice for Natalee. 1135 01:24:16,139 --> 01:24:19,392 I just wanted him to say that, yes, I killed Natalee, 1136 01:24:19,434 --> 01:24:21,019 and that's what we got. 1137 01:24:24,356 --> 01:24:26,983 When Beth stood up and read her statement 1138 01:24:27,025 --> 01:24:32,197 {\an8}and read parts of what he had done... 1139 01:24:32,238 --> 01:24:36,117 it felt like the wind had been knocked out of me. 1140 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,786 It was intense, 1141 01:24:37,827 --> 01:24:41,206 and you could just, like, feel that energy. 1142 01:24:41,247 --> 01:24:43,917 And I would say the most difficult part 1143 01:24:43,958 --> 01:24:48,797 was how violent the description of her death was. 1144 01:24:54,678 --> 01:24:57,597 {\an8}- Deepak drops me off at a place 1145 01:24:57,639 --> 01:24:59,599 {\an8}known as the fishermen's huts. 1146 01:25:01,601 --> 01:25:06,356 I'm actually with Natalee walking along the beach. 1147 01:25:06,398 --> 01:25:08,692 We lay down together in the sand, 1148 01:25:08,733 --> 01:25:12,862 and we start kissing each other. 1149 01:25:12,904 --> 01:25:15,573 And I start feeling her up again, 1150 01:25:15,615 --> 01:25:18,827 and she tells me no. 1151 01:25:18,868 --> 01:25:23,164 I insist. I keep feeling her up either way. 1152 01:25:23,206 --> 01:25:26,710 And she knees me in the crotch. 1153 01:25:28,169 --> 01:25:31,673 And I kick her extremely hard in the face. 1154 01:25:34,175 --> 01:25:37,012 She's laying down unconscious, 1155 01:25:37,053 --> 01:25:41,433 possibly even dead, but definitely unconscious. 1156 01:25:43,893 --> 01:25:46,104 And right next to her, 1157 01:25:46,146 --> 01:25:49,441 there's a huge cinder block 1158 01:25:49,482 --> 01:25:51,860 laying on the beach. 1159 01:25:51,901 --> 01:25:54,154 I take this, and... 1160 01:25:54,195 --> 01:25:57,240 I smash her head in with it completely. 1161 01:26:00,368 --> 01:26:04,330 Yeah, her face basically, you know, collapses in. 1162 01:26:04,372 --> 01:26:07,917 I'm scared. I don't know what to do. 1163 01:26:07,959 --> 01:26:10,086 So I grab her, 1164 01:26:10,128 --> 01:26:13,923 and I push her off... 1165 01:26:13,965 --> 01:26:15,717 into the sea. 1166 01:26:35,028 --> 01:26:38,615 Today I can tell you with certainty 1167 01:26:38,656 --> 01:26:40,575 that after 18 years, 1168 01:26:40,617 --> 01:26:44,204 Natalee's case is solved. 1169 01:26:44,245 --> 01:26:47,499 As far as I'm concerned, it's over. 1170 01:26:47,540 --> 01:26:49,167 It's over. 1171 01:26:49,209 --> 01:26:51,503 Joran van der Sloot is no longer the suspect 1172 01:26:51,544 --> 01:26:52,921 in my daughter's murder. 1173 01:26:52,962 --> 01:26:55,048 He is the killer. 1174 01:26:55,090 --> 01:26:56,925 That was all verified 1175 01:26:56,966 --> 01:27:00,845 by a comprehensive and conclusive polygraph test. 1176 01:27:00,887 --> 01:27:02,681 We finally-- 1177 01:27:02,722 --> 01:27:06,226 today we got justice for Natalee. 1178 01:27:06,267 --> 01:27:08,812 Thank you. Thank you. - Thank you, everybody. 1179 01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:16,277 - Beth Holloway was satisfied. - Mm-hmm. 1180 01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:17,445 For so many years, 1181 01:27:17,487 --> 01:27:19,489 she's gotten all these different stories. 1182 01:27:19,531 --> 01:27:22,033 But listening to her, you got the sense 1183 01:27:22,075 --> 01:27:25,036 that she believed what he said 1184 01:27:25,078 --> 01:27:27,539 about the fate of her daughter. 1185 01:27:29,791 --> 01:27:33,211 Hearing him in my hometown 1186 01:27:33,253 --> 01:27:35,797 saying he was Natalee's killer, 1187 01:27:35,839 --> 01:27:38,466 I'm really trying to lean into... 1188 01:27:38,508 --> 01:27:42,303 the acceptance of, that's our level of closure. 1189 01:27:42,345 --> 01:27:44,681 But a sociopath will gain pleasure 1190 01:27:44,723 --> 01:27:46,641 from someone else's pain, 1191 01:27:46,683 --> 01:27:47,934 so it doesn't surprise me 1192 01:27:47,976 --> 01:27:51,688 that his story was incredibly gruesome 1193 01:27:51,730 --> 01:27:54,190 and specific. 1194 01:27:54,232 --> 01:27:56,484 One thing that psychopaths can do is, 1195 01:27:56,526 --> 01:27:58,903 they can add details and embellishments 1196 01:27:58,945 --> 01:28:03,408 to trigger an emotion from people. 1197 01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:07,037 I think the cinder-block idea isn't true necessarily 1198 01:28:07,078 --> 01:28:08,872 {\an8}because that would be evidence you could find. 1199 01:28:08,913 --> 01:28:10,790 {\an8}You'd find a missing cinder block 1200 01:28:10,832 --> 01:28:12,709 {\an8}if he tried to get rid of it somewhere. 1201 01:28:14,711 --> 01:28:17,255 {\an8}I think there will always be lingering questions 1202 01:28:17,297 --> 01:28:18,882 {\an8}and people will have their doubts 1203 01:28:18,923 --> 01:28:20,300 {\an8}about Joran's confession. 1204 01:28:22,635 --> 01:28:24,846 Anything released along those beaches 1205 01:28:24,888 --> 01:28:28,433 would end up being pulled back into shore no matter what. 1206 01:28:28,475 --> 01:28:31,227 That's the way the current runs. 1207 01:28:31,269 --> 01:28:34,397 It'd just have slowly drifted right back onto the sand 1208 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,608 and gone nowhere. 1209 01:28:36,649 --> 01:28:38,651 That's not what happened. 1210 01:28:38,693 --> 01:28:41,446 That's not how she was disposed of. 1211 01:28:41,488 --> 01:28:43,656 I'm convinced of that. 1212 01:28:43,698 --> 01:28:45,325 It just feels like common sense 1213 01:28:45,367 --> 01:28:48,995 that there had to have been some type of extra... 1214 01:28:49,037 --> 01:28:51,039 outside help 1215 01:28:51,081 --> 01:28:54,459 to ultimately make sure that this-- 1216 01:28:54,501 --> 01:28:57,003 Natalee goes away and is never found. 1217 01:28:57,045 --> 01:29:01,966 And that's where I believe his dad played the part. 1218 01:29:02,008 --> 01:29:04,052 The judge sentenced van der Sloot 1219 01:29:04,094 --> 01:29:06,721 to 20 years behind bars to run concurrently 1220 01:29:06,763 --> 01:29:09,265 with the sentence that he is already serving right now 1221 01:29:09,307 --> 01:29:10,934 in Peru. 1222 01:29:10,975 --> 01:29:14,688 When he finishes his murder sentence for Stephany Flores, 1223 01:29:14,729 --> 01:29:18,650 he'll just be a free man, unless he gets out early. 1224 01:29:18,692 --> 01:29:20,652 Then he would have to come to the United States 1225 01:29:20,694 --> 01:29:21,903 and serve jail . 1226 01:29:24,906 --> 01:29:27,534 The concurrent sentence that Joran was given, 1227 01:29:27,575 --> 01:29:30,578 he'd be getting out at 57 years old. 1228 01:29:30,620 --> 01:29:32,914 He's going to have a full life ahead of him still. 1229 01:29:32,956 --> 01:29:34,582 He might even have grandchildren. 1230 01:29:34,624 --> 01:29:38,461 But Beth went along. She wanted the answers. 1231 01:29:42,841 --> 01:29:45,218 "A" camera mark. 1232 01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:47,512 The way the murder was described, 1233 01:29:47,554 --> 01:29:49,556 Natalee never knew what happened, 1234 01:29:49,597 --> 01:29:52,392 you know, never knew what hit her. 1235 01:29:52,434 --> 01:29:56,187 It was immediate and painless for her the way it sounded, 1236 01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:59,482 so maybe there was a comfort in that. 1237 01:30:01,818 --> 01:30:04,279 You said something to me that it really struck me. 1238 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,406 You said that this is better than closure. 1239 01:30:06,448 --> 01:30:07,449 It is. 1240 01:30:07,490 --> 01:30:09,284 Why is this better than closure? 1241 01:30:09,325 --> 01:30:11,202 You know, for me, closure is not what I got. 1242 01:30:11,244 --> 01:30:13,413 I got, it's over, it's solved. 1243 01:30:13,455 --> 01:30:15,665 Joran van der Sloot is the murderer. 1244 01:30:15,707 --> 01:30:18,501 The not knowing is more torturous than the knowing. 1245 01:30:18,543 --> 01:30:20,920 The not knowing is the never-ending nightmare, 1246 01:30:20,962 --> 01:30:23,214 and that's worse. - But now you do know. 1247 01:30:23,256 --> 01:30:24,674 And the knowing is horrific 1248 01:30:24,716 --> 01:30:26,509 in terms of the details of what he did. 1249 01:30:26,551 --> 01:30:27,927 It is. It is. 1250 01:30:27,969 --> 01:30:31,264 It is, and it's shocking to us to think that somebody 1251 01:30:31,306 --> 01:30:33,099 is capable of doing that. 1252 01:30:33,141 --> 01:30:35,143 Do you think 20 years is enough time? 1253 01:30:35,185 --> 01:30:37,645 I don't think any victim's family 1254 01:30:37,687 --> 01:30:41,358 is going to think ever an amount of time is enough. 1255 01:30:41,399 --> 01:30:45,820 So here's what I have to take comfort in--is what I needed, 1256 01:30:45,862 --> 01:30:48,573 and I needed the answers as to what happened to Natalee. 1257 01:30:48,615 --> 01:30:53,119 So I feel like now I can kind of, like... 1258 01:30:53,161 --> 01:30:57,248 Oh. 1259 01:30:57,290 --> 01:31:00,710 Oh. Now I can focus on that. 1260 01:31:00,752 --> 01:31:02,587 Yeah. 1261 01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:04,089 Yeah. 1262 01:31:04,130 --> 01:31:07,258 Are you properly buckled, honey? 1263 01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:10,178 Oh, you're not! 1264 01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:13,181 Got that one. 1265 01:31:13,223 --> 01:31:16,101 When you look at the collateral damage 1266 01:31:16,142 --> 01:31:18,937 on the Holloway family, 1267 01:31:18,978 --> 01:31:21,815 his family, the island of Aruba, 1268 01:31:21,856 --> 01:31:23,608 the Flores family, 1269 01:31:23,650 --> 01:31:27,946 it's unbelievable that one individual 1270 01:31:27,987 --> 01:31:32,117 can create such chaos and havoc. 1271 01:31:58,018 --> 01:31:59,310 All I can think about 1272 01:31:59,352 --> 01:32:01,563 is where Natalee would have fit in. 1273 01:32:01,604 --> 01:32:06,026 We've all been bridesmaids in everybody's wedding. 1274 01:32:06,067 --> 01:32:08,820 We all take our kids to the same parks 1275 01:32:08,862 --> 01:32:10,780 that we grew up going to, 1276 01:32:10,822 --> 01:32:15,326 and she was senselessly never given that opportunity. 1277 01:32:15,368 --> 01:32:18,621 It would have been her with us. 1278 01:32:18,663 --> 01:32:21,249 And, also, I wonder what kind of doctor 1279 01:32:21,291 --> 01:32:22,667 she would have been 1280 01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:24,919 so I could call and be like, my kid's ear hurts. 1281 01:32:24,961 --> 01:32:26,296 You know, what do I do? 1282 01:32:26,338 --> 01:32:29,632 I mean, she was a dependable, amazing human. 1283 01:32:31,718 --> 01:32:33,845 I really wish now that I'm older, 1284 01:32:33,887 --> 01:32:36,306 I could go back and get to know who she was 1285 01:32:36,348 --> 01:32:37,891 those last few months, 1286 01:32:37,932 --> 01:32:42,437 because, man, you know, I'll never get that back. 1287 01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,024 And I don't want people to ever forget this. 1288 01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:50,195 I hope he's miserable. It's what he deserves. 1289 01:32:50,236 --> 01:32:53,490 I definitely want to talk to him. 1290 01:32:53,531 --> 01:32:56,826 And I definitely want to whoop his ass. 1291 01:32:56,868 --> 01:33:00,246 Which one's going to come first, I don't know. 1292 01:33:00,288 --> 01:33:02,374 I know there's more to the story, 1293 01:33:02,415 --> 01:33:04,918 and there always will be. 1294 01:33:04,959 --> 01:33:08,046 And we got to keep digging. 1295 01:33:08,088 --> 01:33:10,382 Otherwise, it's all in vain. 1296 01:33:10,423 --> 01:33:13,760 I owe it to my family 1297 01:33:13,802 --> 01:33:15,345 and to Natalee. 1298 01:33:15,387 --> 01:33:17,472 I'm not going to stop. 99709

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