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(Audience applauds)
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Good evening.
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For those of us here tonight
that are 70 years old or younger,
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Jack Cardiff was shooting film
before we were born.
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(Kirk Douglas)
I don't do many interviews.
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But when I was invited to speak
about Jack Cardiff, my friend,
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I couldn't resist,
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because Jack Cardiff
is a...an amazing guy.
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(Scorsese)
Every time I saw certain names,
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and one of the names
that kept cropping up was Cardiff.
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Every time I saw these names, I knew
I was in for something very special.
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And I began to have a very strong
affinity towards British cinema,
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because of my recognition
of Cardiff's name, actually.
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The way a movie is photographed
creates a mood,
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and creates the mood of the movie,
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so that the audience is prepared
for the kind of movie it's going to be.
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(lnaudible)
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Cinematography is central to film.
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Motion pictures is...
is the art form of the 20th century,
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and you can't do them
without the camera.
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Going over to Bogie, he's dead.
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She's dead, she's dead, she's dead.
She's alive.
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I'm just alive.
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It's fantastic, isn't it?
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- (lnterviewer) You've outlivedthem all.
- Yeah.
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Incredible.
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I don't know. Do you think
it's a tragic industry to be in sometimes?
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No, I don't think so, I think
it's a nonsensical thing...job to be in,
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because it's full of, um...
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full of hypocrisy, hyperbole.
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Just about everything you can think of.
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At this moment
your room is still not ready.
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- Thank you.
- Your name?
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If anybody said, "Who is that guy? "
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because I don't think anybody
really knows who I am,
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I'd say, "Well, I used to be
a stand-in for Frank Sinatra."
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(Man speaking French)
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(Speaks French)
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(Sister Ruth laughs)
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(Audience applauds)
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- That was made 50 years ago.
- Cinquante ans.
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How are you?
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Pleased to meet you.
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- Nice to see you.
- Hello.
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Come up a bit on this one,
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and they're putting on a narrow one
on the number four.
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(lnterviewer) How oldare you now?
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A couple of weeks ago, I was 91.
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- Andyou're still working?
- Yes, well, not for long.
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Another ten years,
and I'll have to take it easy, I think.
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- Can you put it on now?
- Yes, sir.
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Where you are now with the smoke.
That's it.
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- When didyou begin, Jack?
- In this business?
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Er...well, I started in 1 9...
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1 91 8.
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As a kid actor.
That's a long way back, isn't it?
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And that's myself
when I was about five years of age.
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- You'dalready been in a movie.
- Yes, I had.
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Do you remember, as a child,
the fiirst fiilm you acted in?
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Very, very fuzzily. I know
that it was called "My Son, My Son".
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I was four years of age,
and it was a silent picture, of course.
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The director used to shout
the instructions through the megaphone.
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"Now smile a bit, look over to her.
You love her. Come on, you do this."
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That was...that was easy, you know.
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In between stage shows,
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my mother and father
would work as extras sometimes.
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The standard rate of pay in those days,
the extras got one guinea a day.
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And there was something like,
I don't know, 1 50 or 200 extras.
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They were paid at the end of the day
by filing past a little booth.
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After a while,
they realised what they could do,
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they'd get to the end of the queue
and they'd change hats,
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or put on a different coat,
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and they'd go by
and they'd take another guinea.
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They were making a fortune
until they were found out.
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The queue was filing by for hours
collecting guineas.
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I had a different home every week.
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I went to about 300 schools in my youth
and learnt practically nothing.
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So where didyou pick up
allyour skills?
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I read a pornographic book
by Frank Harris.
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But in between the porn, there was
all these great names he mentioned.
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He'd met all these great writers
and painters and musicians.
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And I went out to Foyles
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and bought all the books he mentioned
in his book, and I read the lot.
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That started it,
and I kept on reading ever since.
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So you learned
in between bits ofipornography?
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Yes.
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The first job I had was really
a kind of runner boy. I was...
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The director had
some kind of flatulence problem.
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He was...
he had to be given Vichy water.
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I had to hand him fresh, cold
Vichy water at any time of the day,
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so I had to sort of have it all ready.
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That was a silent picture.
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And then the next picture
was the beginning of sound.
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Hitchcock was in the next stage.
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When sound films first came out,
they had to be, obviously, synchronised,
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and to do that we had clappers.
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which was just two pieces of wood
that did that,
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and then you'd put the sound
against the picture as it closed.
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And the first clappers, they thought
it was such an important function,
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that they gave it to the director,
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and he would solemnly
announce the scene
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and then clap and sit down
and say, "Action."
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It was considered a very vital thing.
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But after a while, he found
it was a bit of a bore doing that,
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so they put the job with the young
clapper boy, as he was called.
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He was a number boy, and he became
a clapper boy, and I used to do that.
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4 take 1.
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While I was at B&D Studios,
I was working on British quota pictures,
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which had to be completed
in two to three weeks.
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I was then operating the camera,
and you couldn't make any mistakes
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cos they'd never do another take,
there wasn't time or money.
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(Challis) Korda brought over
a lot of very good people
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and, I think, was instrumental in founding
the sort of British school, if you like.
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I mean, he gave people the opportunity
to learn from masters of their craft.
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(Singing)
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Run, run, Orlando.
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(Cardiff) A lot of fascinating stars
were coming over, and big directors,
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and, what was most important,
very good top Hollywood cameramen.
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(Crowd shouting)
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What are you waiting for?
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Dietrich was a big sensation, of course,
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and she...she used to put
gold dust in her hair.
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She knew about lighting,
she'd worked with Josef von Sternberg.
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She would have been
a great cameraman,
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and she knew that
that lighting had to be so high,
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45 degrees,
to make a shadow under the nose,
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and most cameramen over the years
have done the same sort of lighting.
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She had a slightly turned-up nose.
Like Marilyn Monroe, in fact.
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So to straighten it out
she had this white line down here,
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and then inside here,
inside the eyes, she put this white.
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See this white inside.
It must've been painful to do this.
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She looked gorgeous.
But she was in command of the lighting.
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She used to have a full-length mirror
by the side of the camera.
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She'd look in the mirror and say, "Harry,
the back light could get a bit hotter,
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"and how about the kicker light? "
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She used to comment on it,
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and Harry would whisper to me,
"Goddamn it, she's always right."
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- Have you had luck so far?
- Wonderful luck.
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And the most wonderful of all
was to meet you.
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- Do you think so?
- Yes, I do think so.
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Even if tomorrow
means the end of us...
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...as it may do.
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What about this one?
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(Cardiff) We had this scene in the bath,
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and she came on the set,
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and we thought she was going to be
in a swimming costume,
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which was the usual thing.
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When she took off her dressing gown,
she was stark naked.
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Within half an hour of doing these shots
in the bath, the place was crowded.
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There was about 1 6 electricians
on the spot rail
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trying to look technical,
holding lamps and things.
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The ground, which was a paper floor,
was getting wetter and wetter.
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And as she got out, she slipped on
the soapy water, and fell with a crash,
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and the towels missed her completely,
east and west in the air,
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and there was the great Marlene
floundering about on the floor,
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stark naked.
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(Heston) He started very early in colour.
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Started about when
they started doing colour, I believe.
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It's a different medium, really.
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You light in a different way,
which, of course, is the cameraman.
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(Cardiff) The Technicolor people
had come over
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to choose one young operator
to be trained in Technicolor,
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and they came out shaking
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because the technical questions
were absolutely...very, very tough.
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So, when it came to my turn,
I said right away,
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"I'm afraid on the technical side,
I'm zero,"
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and there was a shocked silence,
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and they said, "How are you
going to get on in the film business? "
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I study painting and light
and lighting buildings and so on,
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and they asked me, "Which side
of the face did Rembrandt light? "
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I took a chance and said, "This side,
and it'd be reversed in an etching,"
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and then I talked about Pieter de Hooch
and his interiors
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and the camera obscura and that stuff,
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and the next day I learnt
that I had been chosen.
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Light comes through the front,
obviously, through the lens,
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and there's a prism here, which is
the soul of the Technicolor camera.
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Twenty-five per cent of the light
comes straight through the prism
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on to the one film in this gate here.
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That's the green record.
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And then the other...rest of the light,
75 per cent of the light,
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comes through
and is reflected on to a bipack.
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This is a bipack of the blue
and the red records.
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And, of course,
the magazine holds three films.
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Of course, these things free the
sprockets. They do nothing except that.
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But I used to put on this big act and say,
"l think I'll put a bit more green here,
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"a little less blue there,"
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and they believed it, they thought
I was creating colour with the camera.
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(Challis) The whole camera department
were American
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and Jack was the only one
on the camera crew who was English.
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And he was the camera operator
on it at Denham.
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- Here they come.
- (Cheering)
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Donnerhill still in rather a pocket
on Wings Of The Morning.
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(Cardiff) It was a fascinating new world,
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because I was into
the lmpressionists at that time,
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and I was mad
about the lmpressionist painters,
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and I thought, "Well, this is it."
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(Voiceover) The surface of anything
you look at is absorbing some colour rays
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and is reflecting the rest.
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What it reflects strikes the eye and that's
how we get our impression of colour.
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Colour is light and light is colour.
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(Challis) He always liked to experiment.
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He liked to apply certain things
which he felt he'd learnt from painting
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to cinematography.
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As you see, I've always collected a lot
of interesting paintings and drawings.
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I learnt a lot about painting...
Well, I'm still learning, let's face it.
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And the main idea is I copied
some painters, like I liked that Boucher.
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I couldn't afford to buy the real one
and so I copied it,
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and that's the way to learn.
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A lot of real painters copy
other painters, you know,
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because this way they learn from each
other, in a way, it's an interesting thing.
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Some people say it's a copy.
Yes, it's a copy.
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But it takes a long time to analyse
the painting, to make the copy.
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Then I had a big break, because
a German came in to Technicolor,
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who was a count, Count von Keller.
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(Challis) He was a great traveller.
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He was a sort of...I don't know,
you know, sort of buccaneer, almost.
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He was a wonderful character.
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Somebody suggested to him,
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"When you're on these travels,
why don't you make films?
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"Why don't you take along
a Technicolor camera and crew
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"and make travel films? "
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(Voiceover) The work and spirit of
the immortal Lawrence lives to this day,
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for Lawrence,
in his quiet unobtrusive way,
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imparted to the dwellers
of this wild territory
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a sense of law and order
of which they had never dreamed.
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(Challis) Jack is in the middle and I'm
on the right. That's in Palmyra in Syria.
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(Cardiff) We went to Africa and lndia
and all over the world
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with a Technicolor camera.
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(Voiceover) The outside walls are richly
carved with incidents from Hindu legend,
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so rich that not one panel
resembles any other.
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(Challis) Most people
hadn't been abroad.
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And to see places in colour
was marvellous.
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(Voiceover) He is Nundi the bull.
Nundi the joyous.
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Worshipped as an embodiment
of the force of reproduction.
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(Challis) But Jack was
the creative drive behind them.
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Nobody else had much idea
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about how to set about
making it original and different.
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(Cardiff) When Vesuvius was on, and
splotches of molten lava were falling,
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we had to sort of choose a moment
to dash in and just point the camera.
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(Voiceover)..while from the lips
of its many gaping mouths, the lava...
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I broke the prism
and burnt the tripod legs.
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Burnt my shoes, anyway.
But that's another story.
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(Christie) "Western Approaches"
is an extraordinary film,
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because it's the first ever
Technicolor documentary
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that isn't a travelogue.
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- What have you decided to do, sir?
- Make for lreland.
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Prevailing winds in part of
the Gulf Stream should be in our favour.
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(Cardiff) You had a lifeboat
with 22 merchant seamen in it
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and the Technicolor camera, it was
very clumsy and very difficult to work,
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and the director and myself
and a few assistants and so on.
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And we went out every day in the lrish
Channel, which was absolutely horrible.
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(Voiceover)
This is the "Forces Programme".
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Now here's a short recital
of gramophone records.
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We're on the home stretch now.
You can tell when you hear the old BBC.
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It won't be long now.
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(Christie) For the first time
in living memory,
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British film-makers
had a British audience.
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People enjoyed seeing British films.
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They actually preferred them
in some cases to American films.
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They felt they came closer
to the scene of the action.
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How could Americans understand
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what people in Britain
were going through during the war?
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So towards the end of the war, I think
British film-making was really on a high.
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(Cardiff) At that time,
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I had not yet photographed
a feature film in its entirety.
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I'd done lots of little pieces and
I'd worked mostly on the second unit,
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and I was desperate
to get the big break.
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- (Gunshot)
- (Clicks)
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- (Gunshots)
- (Clicks)
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(Schoonmaker) The main character,
played by Roger Livesey,
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is trying to deal with his loneliness
by going on safaris
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and shooting animals all over the world.
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Jack Cardiff was doing the shooting
of that as the second unit cameraman
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and my husband came in
and watched him doing it.
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I heard a voice say, "Very interesting,"
and there was the great Michael Powell,
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and he said, "Would you like
to photograph my next film? "
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and I said, "Oh, yes, Mr Powell,"
and he went,
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and I thought, "He's just said that and
he'll forget all about it," but he didn't.
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Are you wounded? Repeat,
are you wounded? Are you bailing out?
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- What's your name?
- June.
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Yes, June, I'm bailing out.
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I'm bailing out but there's a catch.
I've got no parachute.
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Oh...hello? Hello, Peter?
Do not understand.
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(Clock ticking)
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Hello? Hello, Peter? Can you hear me?
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(Schoonmaker) Michael Powell just felt
that Jack was the man at that time
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who knew the most about how to get
colour on to film in a new way.
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The Archers had what was described
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as the longest period
of subversive film-making
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within a major studio ever,
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and because their films were
very popular, commercially successful,
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they got away with murder.
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(Michael Powell)
We were our own bosses.
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We produced it,
we wrote it, we directed it,
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and if anybody said to us,
"May I suggest you do this? "
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we just said, "Eff off!"
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(Cardiff) It was a wonderful combination,
because you had Michael,
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who was daring and running around
and doing outlandish things,
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and Emeric,
who was a brilliant writer anyway.
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He would be the one
who occasionally would say to Michael,
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"This is going too far, because of this
or that," and he'd usually be right.
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(Schoonmaker) They were fantastic.
Fertile, imaginative mind.
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A very unique person in his own way.
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And then you add Jack to the mix,
you have a pretty powerful cocktail.
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(Cardiff) It was daunting for me,
as my first film,
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and even for Michael Powell
it was an ambitious project.
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We were doing an exterior and Michael
said, "Wait, I'd love to have a fade-in,
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"but instead of just a fade-in
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"I'd like to have something different
like a mist thing or something."
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And I said, "Look through the camera,"
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so he looked through the camera
and I went to the lens and went...
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(Scorsese) When I saw the Archers logo,
I knew I was in for something special.
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Then I saw the name Cardiff
attached with that,
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and I knew this was a unique...I was
about to undergo a unique experience.
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- Child, where were you born?
- In Boston, sir.
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I've made a bunch of films in Hollywood
but nothing to compare with this.
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It was an enormous production.
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The court will adjourn.
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(Challis) It was, I've always thought,
as pure cinema as Disney, really.
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I mean, you couldn't do it on the stage
or in any other way.
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(Cardiff) I remember,
in the first preparation days of the film,
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I said to him, quite casually,
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I said, "Michael,
I suppose heaven will be in colour
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"and the earth will be in black and white."
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He said, "No, the contrary."
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I said, "Why? "
He said, "Everyone expects that."
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That was typical in his nature.
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He was perverse to the extent
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that he would like to do
anything that was different.
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I mean, the ordinary
was anathema to him.
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A little trick of mine, you remember?
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In order to get the transition
from black and white to colour,
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we would shoot the main sequence
in black and white
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but the penultimate shot
was using the Technicolor camera
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so that they would be able to start
in black and white
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and then bring in the colour.
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(Hunter) Marius Goring ad-libbed
a line during one of the scenes
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and Mickey Powell immediately said,
"Keep it in, good line."
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One is starved for Technicolor up there.
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(Hunter) Really throughout
all of my life, I do not go to dailies,
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except that when we were doing
"A Matter Of Life And Death",
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I was so curious that I did go, early on,
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I think for the first time
that they had colour in the dailies,
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they clearly were not happy
with the colour.
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They said, "Send it back,"
and, "Do better than that,
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"we must have it better than that!"
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So I have a feeling that Jack
was very much behind all that.
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(Voiceover) Outside the Empire,
thousands crowd the approaches
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to see the royal family and also
the many film stars and notabilities
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attending the Royal Command
film performance.
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Michael Powell, one of the two
producers of the film, on the stairway.
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(Cardiff) At the end of the picture,
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either the cameramen
would collect these, put on one sheet,
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or Technicolor would do it for him.
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I have several,
and they're great fun to look at them.
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(Voiceover) Mopu is 8,000 feet up.
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The peaks on the range opposite
are nearly as high as Everest.
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The people call the highest peak
Nanga Devi. It means the bare goddess.
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(Cardiff) On "Black Narcissus", we all
expected to go on location to lndia,
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and we were greatly surprised when
Michael Powell the director told us
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the entire film was going to be made
at Pinewood Studios in England.
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(Powell) I saw it as a wonderful
exercise for all...for all of us,
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to produce a real perfect
colour work of art.
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(Cardiff) Michael collected around him
the best technicians that were available
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and he had a brilliant art director,
Alfred Junge.
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He was very German
and highly organised,
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and if he designed a set,
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when you walked on for the first time,
there would be a cross on the floor,
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and he said, "That is the camera
position with a 35 millimetre lens."
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(Powell) Alfred Junge the designer
and Jack Cardiff the cameraman
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would have endless arguments
and conversations about settings,
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first of all on paper
and then when they were painted,
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then in detail,
and then when the set was there.
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(Challis) The exteriors out on the lot
at Pinewood, with the Himalayas,
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were absolutely marvellous,
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because they were plaster mountains
in perspective,
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but the result was just unbelievable.
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You looked out of the window
and it looked real.
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(Powell) Sometimes Alfred
would have to tear half of it down
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and Jack pointed out that
the kind of lighting that he wanted
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for this particular sequence
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couldn't be done because
there was a wall in the way.
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Alfred would be furious.
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But together they just worked miracles.
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I mean, you never get
the slightest feeling of studio, do you?
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(Cardiff) After the film was released,
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I believe Micky got a letter
from someone in lndia
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who said that they knew the locations,
they'd seen them.
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It was a good, good idea!
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(Cardiff) Vermeer was the sort of painter
that I had in mind on "Black Narcissus"
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because the light had to be clear
and as simple as possible.
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(Bell ringing)
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(Cardiff) When I did this green,
having green filters in the filler light
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and sort of pinkish colours
in the sun effects,
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it was a thing of anger,
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I tried to use
the same kind of mood in that...
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I mean, any cameraman
would get ideas from Van Gogh
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and moods of light and things.
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Light is the principal agent,
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and that should be the same
with photography,
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that the use of light is like a painter,
that you use it in a simple form.
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(Scorsese) The emotional
and psychological connection
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that was made through
certain lighting in paintings,
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I felt, watching those pictures
that he photographed.
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He made them special.
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Because of that, you wanted to be
in that world with them.
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You can't order me about. You have
nothing to do with me any more.
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00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:51,209
I know what you've done.
I know that you've left the order.
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00:30:51,386 --> 00:30:54,755
I only want to stop you from
doing something you'll be sorry for.
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00:30:54,931 --> 00:30:58,098
Sister Philippa is going back in a few
days' time. I want to send you with her.
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00:30:58,226 --> 00:31:02,889
That's what you would like to do,
send me back and shut me up.
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(Schoonmaker) Michael Powell
felt colour was part of the narrative.
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Sister Clodagh, Sister Clodagh!
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- You know what she says about you?
- Whatever she said, it was true!
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- You say that because you love her!
- I don't love anyone!
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(Sister Ruth) Clodagh. Clodagh.
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Clodagh! Clodagh!
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- Clodagh! Clodagh!
- (Crash)
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When I saw their work on screen,
this was like being bathed in colour.
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It was palpable. It was...it...
I don't know what...
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The colour itself became
the emotion of the picture.
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The atmosphere that was
created around me was fantastic.
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I was most inspired by it.
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I mean, I thought I was just going out
looking a bit malevolent.
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00:31:55,995 --> 00:32:02,533
But when I saw it on the screen, I was
amazed at this great blare of music
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and this incredible face with the wet hair.
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He gave me half of my performance
with the lighting.
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(Michael Powell) When Arthur Rank...
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he took it to California,
showed it in Hollywood,
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it got the most wonderful
technical praise.
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The art direction got two Oscars.
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Jack Cardiff's photography
got another Oscar.
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(Scorsese) The whole communication
of the film, what it tries to communicate,
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is combined through costume,
the positioning of people in the frame,
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the movement of people
within the frame,
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00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:51,128
sometimes the movement
of the frame itself, light, shadow, colour,
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and cutting, all to music.
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All designed specifically to music.
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Then they took it and went further
with it with "The Red Shoes" ballet.
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The last day but one
of "Black Narcissus",
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Michael Powell said to me,
"What do you think about ballet? "
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I said, "Not much, all these sissies
prancing about, I don't think much of it."
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And he was amused
rather than horrified.
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00:33:21,755 --> 00:33:25,205
He said, "Jack, you'd better get to like
ballet, because this is your next film.
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00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:30,129
"I've got tickets for you to go practically
every night." I thought, "Oh, my God!"
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00:33:30,264 --> 00:33:34,096
Very shortly, of course, I became
absolutely wrapped up in ballet
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and I loved it.
448
00:33:36,311 --> 00:33:38,767
Actually, Miss Page,
I want more, much more.
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00:33:39,106 --> 00:33:42,939
I want to create, to make something big
out of something little.
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(Schoonmaker) The theme
of "The Red Shoes", of course, is that...
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00:33:46,573 --> 00:33:51,199
Michael was saying that if you want to
be on the cutting edge of your art form,
452
00:33:51,536 --> 00:33:53,279
you have to be prepared
to pay the consequences,
453
00:33:53,621 --> 00:34:00,158
because you're challenging everybody
when you start breaking conventions,
454
00:34:00,295 --> 00:34:04,756
and you have to be aware that
some people may be able to attack you
455
00:34:05,092 --> 00:34:06,421
and bring you down when you do this.
456
00:34:06,635 --> 00:34:08,961
Why do you want to dance?
457
00:34:12,475 --> 00:34:15,179
Why do you want to live?
458
00:34:15,311 --> 00:34:19,641
I don't know exactly why, but I must.
459
00:34:20,901 --> 00:34:22,728
That's my answer too.
460
00:34:22,903 --> 00:34:29,071
Some ballet enthusiasts feel
that it's not the best shooting of ballet.
461
00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:33,449
The best shooting of ballet, to be literal
about it, would be from head to toe,
462
00:34:33,581 --> 00:34:34,992
Fred Astaire had in his contract
463
00:34:35,124 --> 00:34:38,209
that you had to keep photographing him
from head to toe.
464
00:34:41,172 --> 00:34:45,752
But they changed that completely.
They paid no attention to that.
465
00:34:45,886 --> 00:34:50,013
They made a film about what goes on
inside the dancer's head.
466
00:35:01,026 --> 00:35:05,854
It's how the dancer, he or she,
sees themselves, while they're dancing.
467
00:35:06,031 --> 00:35:09,117
So you get the spirit of the dance,
you get the spirit of it,
468
00:35:09,244 --> 00:35:14,036
and I applied that later
to the boxing scenes in "Raging Bull".
469
00:35:17,878 --> 00:35:19,585
What they hear, what they see.
470
00:35:19,754 --> 00:35:22,507
What they hear and what they see,
very important.
471
00:35:22,717 --> 00:35:25,919
(Cardiff) Michael Powell had courage.
472
00:35:26,094 --> 00:35:30,093
He would risk, he would take a risk,
a big chance to do something,
473
00:35:30,224 --> 00:35:34,389
which might seem crazy
but it usually came off.
474
00:35:34,521 --> 00:35:38,388
(Schoonmaker) The camera devices
are welded to the material.
475
00:35:38,691 --> 00:35:40,849
They're welded
to the emotion of the film.
476
00:35:41,027 --> 00:35:44,527
They are for the purpose
of impacting the audience.
477
00:35:50,537 --> 00:35:55,995
I think because Jack had vision,
you know,
478
00:35:56,169 --> 00:35:58,956
about what he was going to do,
479
00:35:59,089 --> 00:36:02,504
he didn't feel curbed
by the restrictions of that time.
480
00:36:02,634 --> 00:36:07,177
I had the idea of increasing
the speed of the camera very rapidly,
481
00:36:07,347 --> 00:36:11,761
that as he jumped,
I went from 24 frames to 48 frames
482
00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:14,971
for about less than a second.
483
00:36:15,146 --> 00:36:18,516
So it went up, and as it got up
it was going much faster,
484
00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:20,934
which slowed him down imperceptibly,
485
00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:24,067
and he seemed to linger in the air
on the top of the jump.
486
00:36:24,241 --> 00:36:26,613
(Music plays)
487
00:36:26,994 --> 00:36:31,371
(Schoonmaker) They were coming up
with great ways to use the camera,
488
00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:35,835
and when you see how big that thing
was, how they did it, I don't know.
489
00:36:36,003 --> 00:36:39,585
I mean, they did call it the "enchanted
cottage", cos it was so huge.
490
00:36:39,756 --> 00:36:43,256
How they moved that thing around,
I don't know. It was amazing.
491
00:36:43,593 --> 00:36:46,002
- Can you imagine?
- Things have changed.
492
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:49,596
It was enormous, and you didn't have
much room to get the lights round it.
493
00:36:49,934 --> 00:36:54,311
(Challis) That's the famous
Technicolor camera. Jack, me.
494
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,349
The camera flying in and out as though
from the point of view of a dancer.
495
00:36:58,527 --> 00:37:00,354
Would be a hand-held shot these days,
496
00:37:00,487 --> 00:37:04,531
but the camera is on a sort of bungee
slung from a chain in the roof.
497
00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:24,378
(Scorsese) You begin to see, I must
say, flourishes, where the camera cut,
498
00:37:24,554 --> 00:37:27,758
or a piece of composition
for the length of the shot,
499
00:37:27,934 --> 00:37:35,016
that you begin to realise that
he's using the lens like brush strokes.
500
00:37:36,234 --> 00:37:39,650
It becomes like moving paintings.
You know, it's a painting he's made.
501
00:37:40,029 --> 00:37:43,564
Along with Hein Heckroth, Michael and
Emeric Pressburger, there's no doubt.
502
00:37:43,741 --> 00:37:47,325
But it's a painting, paintings that moved,
extraordinarily moved,
503
00:37:47,454 --> 00:37:53,990
not only moved visually but emotionally
and psychologically also.
504
00:38:06,515 --> 00:38:09,766
There was something so audacious
about "Red Shoes",
505
00:38:09,936 --> 00:38:13,435
and something that was so utterly, um...
506
00:38:14,649 --> 00:38:18,943
unique, different from any film
being made at the time.
507
00:38:20,989 --> 00:38:23,196
(Woman speaking French)
508
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:26,284
Qu'est-ce que tu as?
509
00:38:26,412 --> 00:38:28,155
Mon petit.
510
00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:30,454
Et ou vas-tu?
511
00:38:30,708 --> 00:38:33,875
Mon petit!
512
00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:44,677
No!
513
00:38:46,016 --> 00:38:49,883
The lessons of those films have never
left me. I still keep drawing upon them.
514
00:38:50,103 --> 00:38:54,019
It's had a huge influence. Particularly
on Scorsese and Brian de Palma.
515
00:38:54,192 --> 00:38:57,442
De Palma. De Palma, easily.
The expressionism.
516
00:38:57,612 --> 00:38:58,857
It's about expressing colour,
517
00:38:59,197 --> 00:39:03,526
it's expressing, you know, the glint
of a knife and the colour of the blood.
518
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:05,867
It's all there with Brian.
Look at "Scarface".
519
00:39:06,121 --> 00:39:08,790
And Lucas and Coppola.
520
00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:11,751
And then of course you have
Francis all the time. "Godfather".
521
00:39:11,877 --> 00:39:13,870
Clearly in "One From The Heart".
522
00:39:14,088 --> 00:39:16,294
It's about passion, I think.
523
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:22,094
You could feel these people were
really, really dedicated and involved.
524
00:39:22,221 --> 00:39:25,258
(Cardiff) When it was cut,
it was shown to Mr Rank.
525
00:39:25,433 --> 00:39:28,103
Usually if a film isn't very good,
you know,
526
00:39:28,436 --> 00:39:31,770
they might sort of put on a little bit
of an act, and say, "Most interesting,"
527
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:35,391
and, you know, and say, "Well done,"
or something and walk out.
528
00:39:35,694 --> 00:39:39,228
But on this occasion
they walked out, they got up,
529
00:39:39,365 --> 00:39:41,654
and they walked out without
saying a word to Michael Powell.
530
00:39:41,993 --> 00:39:44,484
They just ignored him,
just walked straight out,
531
00:39:44,579 --> 00:39:47,496
because they were convinced
that it was a disastrous film.
532
00:39:47,707 --> 00:39:49,699
J Arthur Rank thought they'd gone mad
533
00:39:49,834 --> 00:39:52,835
and said, "This is terrible, we have
to stop this kind of film-making.
534
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,795
"From now on, we will tell them what to
make", and Michael said, "You won't."
535
00:39:57,049 --> 00:40:01,712
It was a very sad end
to a great, great period of film-making.
536
00:40:03,557 --> 00:40:07,222
(Alan Parker) I mean,
they're seminal films, you know,
537
00:40:07,395 --> 00:40:10,265
but they're a particular aesthetic.
538
00:40:10,397 --> 00:40:14,728
It's the kind of aesthetic
that actually will be great art.
539
00:40:14,903 --> 00:40:16,860
- And then it will be kitsch...
- Yes.
540
00:40:17,072 --> 00:40:19,527
...and then it'll be art again.
541
00:40:33,672 --> 00:40:37,540
I've signed all over England
and America too,
542
00:40:37,718 --> 00:40:40,423
and I just lost count.
543
00:40:40,596 --> 00:40:43,432
- I'll put happy birthday.
- Yeah, that would be very good.
544
00:40:43,558 --> 00:40:45,598
I'm outside the studio gates once,
545
00:40:45,769 --> 00:40:49,980
I'd just come back from seeing
Marilyn Monroe and Laurence Olivier,
546
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:52,521
and as they came through the gates
they're all screaming.
547
00:40:52,859 --> 00:40:56,443
I went by and they said, "Who's that? "
and somebody said, "He's just nobody."
548
00:40:56,572 --> 00:41:01,198
- So how did you feel?
- Well, just like a nobody.
549
00:41:03,621 --> 00:41:05,530
(Christie) After working
with Powell and Pressburger,
550
00:41:05,665 --> 00:41:07,704
Jack had a remarkable career,
551
00:41:07,834 --> 00:41:11,666
because in quite a short space of time,
in less than ten years,
552
00:41:11,754 --> 00:41:15,123
he worked with many of
the greatest film-makers in the world.
553
00:41:15,258 --> 00:41:18,011
It's a real roll call
that starts with Hitchcock.
554
00:41:26,645 --> 00:41:28,638
(George Turner)
Hitchcock had just made "Rope",
555
00:41:28,814 --> 00:41:31,816
and it was 80 minutes,
it was supposedly one take.
556
00:41:32,027 --> 00:41:37,696
A lot of eight-minute
and nine-minute takes put together
557
00:41:37,823 --> 00:41:40,778
so that the picture
appeared to be in actual time.
558
00:41:40,952 --> 00:41:43,324
(Cardiff) I think Hitch
was in love with this idea,
559
00:41:43,455 --> 00:41:45,994
because he felt
a certain technical satisfaction.
560
00:41:46,125 --> 00:41:48,615
Ingrid Bergman,
she is alleged to have said,
561
00:41:48,793 --> 00:41:52,543
"You care more about the technicalities
than you do about the acting."
562
00:41:52,673 --> 00:41:55,877
(Cardiff) He put everything
in the preparation of the picture.
563
00:41:56,135 --> 00:41:59,837
He rarely looked through the camera,
because he knew what it was getting.
564
00:42:00,015 --> 00:42:02,932
He'd say to me, "Jack,
you've got the 35 lens on? " "Yes."
565
00:42:03,059 --> 00:42:07,521
"You're getting the hands in the picture? "
He knew what he was getting.
566
00:42:07,731 --> 00:42:10,436
(Handford)
It was the first crane of its kind
567
00:42:10,567 --> 00:42:13,652
that ran entirely independent of tracks.
568
00:42:13,904 --> 00:42:18,317
(Cardiff) The camera started
in the front of the house,
569
00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:20,989
through the kitchen
and then into the drawing room.
570
00:42:21,162 --> 00:42:24,662
Talk, talk, talk, and went into the hall.
571
00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:28,201
(Handford) Parts of the set
would have to slide open
572
00:42:28,336 --> 00:42:31,586
to allow the camera crane
to go through them.
573
00:42:31,923 --> 00:42:34,497
We'd pan round to where
the walls had been closed.
574
00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:40,465
(Cardiff) I had to light six or eight sets,
more. Dozens of different positions.
575
00:42:40,598 --> 00:42:43,553
Round and round. Back to the hall.
576
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:46,011
All in one shot
without the camera stopping.
577
00:42:46,188 --> 00:42:50,103
I had electricians holding lamps, and
dodging under a table and coming up.
578
00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:54,523
On one occasion we had a shot
where we had to go upstairs,
579
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:56,566
through the door,
580
00:42:56,658 --> 00:43:01,285
and as we approached her bed,
we went into a big close-up
581
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:04,330
when instead of going up,
looking down on the bed like that,
582
00:43:04,499 --> 00:43:07,417
which was a cumbersome thing to do,
583
00:43:07,586 --> 00:43:11,501
we approached her straight
and the bed was on electronic things,
584
00:43:11,633 --> 00:43:15,166
and as you tracked in,
the bed would come up like this,
585
00:43:15,427 --> 00:43:19,093
so that you'd have a big close-up
without the camera going too high.
586
00:43:19,307 --> 00:43:22,308
(Handford) It ended up
by not being ten-minute takes.
587
00:43:22,477 --> 00:43:27,269
There were some very long takes
but it became impractical to do.
588
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,727
(Cardiff) It couldn't possibly be
wonderful photography
589
00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:33,483
because everything was a compromise.
590
00:43:33,656 --> 00:43:38,117
But it was really my greatest
achievement, in a funny way,
591
00:43:38,328 --> 00:43:41,992
because it was doing the impossible.
592
00:43:44,124 --> 00:43:48,075
I'm just going outside.
I may be away some time.
593
00:43:51,216 --> 00:43:52,959
(Wind howls)
594
00:44:02,812 --> 00:44:08,151
It was probably one of the most
marvellous pictures I've ever been on,
595
00:44:08,359 --> 00:44:14,149
and I had the luck of having
a fantastic cameraman.
596
00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:30,876
(Scorsese) There was something
very special and unique
597
00:44:31,049 --> 00:44:33,208
about the English use of Technicolor,
598
00:44:33,385 --> 00:44:36,470
particularly by a man like Cardiff.
599
00:44:36,598 --> 00:44:40,513
That became something else, and had
a lot to do with emotion, and painting.
600
00:44:40,686 --> 00:44:43,769
Not to say that the American
cinematographers didn't use painting.
601
00:44:43,938 --> 00:44:45,433
They were brilliant.
602
00:44:45,607 --> 00:44:49,558
But how should I put it?
That was a different type of commodity.
603
00:44:52,907 --> 00:44:54,186
(Christie) Jack joined Hollywood
604
00:44:54,407 --> 00:44:58,358
at the point at which it really began
to march out into the world.
605
00:45:07,713 --> 00:45:10,668
(Christie) I think that was a very exciting
moment for a cinematographer,
606
00:45:10,842 --> 00:45:13,677
to be working
with those Hollywood film-makers.
607
00:45:13,845 --> 00:45:15,673
He worked with Henry Hathaway.
608
00:45:15,807 --> 00:45:17,716
(Cardiff) He was a toughie.
609
00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:22,477
On "The Black Rose",
he fired so many people
610
00:45:22,689 --> 00:45:25,014
that we had a plane
called the Hathaway Special
611
00:45:25,149 --> 00:45:29,229
which flew people, every couple of days,
that had been fired, back to England.
612
00:45:29,404 --> 00:45:34,564
He would devote his life to that picture.
He would die for that picture, you know.
613
00:45:34,701 --> 00:45:38,616
And he expected everyone else
to die for the picture.
614
00:45:38,789 --> 00:45:42,952
And if they were not ready to die,
he would just crucify them.
615
00:45:43,167 --> 00:45:45,161
(Screams and war cries)
616
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:56,592
I never saw anyone look less like young
gallants going off on a great adventure.
617
00:45:56,765 --> 00:45:58,474
(Cardiff)
He said he'd play Genghis Khan
618
00:45:58,643 --> 00:46:04,148
on condition that his coat
was lined inside with mink.
619
00:46:04,441 --> 00:46:08,521
They said, "But, Orson, we don't see
the mink coat, and it's expensive."
620
00:46:08,862 --> 00:46:10,985
Orson said, "I've got to do it that way."
621
00:46:11,156 --> 00:46:14,074
So, OK, they got the mink
and they put it in.
622
00:46:14,202 --> 00:46:17,156
You never saw it inside, the lining inside.
623
00:46:17,288 --> 00:46:20,455
Of course, at the end of the film,
when his part was finished,
624
00:46:20,583 --> 00:46:22,825
he slipped off with the coat
625
00:46:22,919 --> 00:46:26,787
and went off to do
some more scenes on "Othello"
626
00:46:26,965 --> 00:46:30,714
and turned the coat inside out so that
he had the mink coat for "Othello".
627
00:46:30,886 --> 00:46:33,555
What are you stewin' about,
mon capitaine?
628
00:46:33,764 --> 00:46:36,302
Bonnard told you
where we were going last night.
629
00:46:36,475 --> 00:46:38,764
- Where?
- The Sahara Desert.
630
00:46:39,061 --> 00:46:40,686
Straight ahead and turn to your left.
631
00:46:42,398 --> 00:46:45,351
(Cardiff) On the first day of shooting,
when John Wayne...
632
00:46:45,567 --> 00:46:49,862
He played the part
of a Foreign Legionnaire.
633
00:46:50,031 --> 00:46:53,697
He came on the set and he had...
he had a cowboy hat on,
634
00:46:53,869 --> 00:46:58,115
and the holster and the boots
and the gun, just like a cowboy.
635
00:46:58,289 --> 00:47:03,083
And I said to Hathaway, "Henry,
why is he wearing that cowboy outfit? "
636
00:47:03,212 --> 00:47:05,169
Hathaway looked at me
like I was an idiot
637
00:47:05,339 --> 00:47:08,840
and he said,
"He always wears the cowboy outfit."
638
00:47:09,051 --> 00:47:12,919
He was always doing the
withdrawing-the-gun business, you know,
639
00:47:13,097 --> 00:47:16,681
and flicking it round
and flicking it back again.
640
00:47:16,852 --> 00:47:19,853
I did a lot of shots of him doing that.
641
00:47:20,022 --> 00:47:23,188
Someone gave Sophia one of
these things you blow and it comes out,
642
00:47:23,358 --> 00:47:24,936
and she loved that.
643
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:29,191
Hathaway was a wonderful director,
644
00:47:29,365 --> 00:47:36,079
but he was a man who,
in a sense, bulldozed his way along.
645
00:47:36,331 --> 00:47:38,122
(Cardiff) He had got far worse
on that picture,
646
00:47:38,458 --> 00:47:42,919
because we had this desert,
which had to be virgin desert, you know,
647
00:47:43,047 --> 00:47:45,205
no sign of a footprint or anything.
648
00:47:45,507 --> 00:47:50,051
And you can imagine a film unit
walking about. He was going crazy.
649
00:48:01,148 --> 00:48:05,017
The English crew were having
a cup of tea in this so-called place,
650
00:48:05,278 --> 00:48:08,861
and he'd put up a notice on the board
651
00:48:09,032 --> 00:48:12,068
because he hated the whole idea
of the English unit having tea.
652
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,200
He said, "ln future," on the notice board,
653
00:48:14,371 --> 00:48:18,286
"the English crew
will drink their tea standing up."
654
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:21,454
And he said, "Come on, Jack,
let's find these locations."
655
00:48:21,629 --> 00:48:25,709
I said, "Henry, you've blown it.
You've made a terrible mistake."
656
00:48:25,883 --> 00:48:28,837
He said, "What the hell are you
talking about? " and I said, "Well...
657
00:48:29,011 --> 00:48:31,051
"at the moment
the English crew respect you.
658
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:33,672
"They don't particularly like you
but they respect you.
659
00:48:33,851 --> 00:48:39,011
"But now you've done that, English tea,
forget it, you're a villain from now on."
660
00:48:39,189 --> 00:48:43,317
He said, "Oh, you're full of shit,"
and he just thought for a moment,
661
00:48:43,443 --> 00:48:45,603
then he turned the car round
and drove back,
662
00:48:45,739 --> 00:48:48,442
and he tore the notice board
off the screen.
663
00:48:55,206 --> 00:49:00,283
I've got something for you too, and it's
my heart, black as it is, but all of it.
664
00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:04,038
The assistant director had come
on the set and said, "Flynn's arrived.
665
00:49:04,174 --> 00:49:06,630
"He's gone straight to the bar
and he's drinking double whiskies
666
00:49:06,802 --> 00:49:09,210
"followed by beer chasers."
667
00:49:09,346 --> 00:49:12,797
So when I got to the bar
and I was introduced to him...
668
00:49:12,932 --> 00:49:17,845
He was never really drunk. He was
always slightly sort of pleasantly drunk.
669
00:49:18,022 --> 00:49:22,186
Errol fell ill
halfway through "Crossed Swords",
670
00:49:22,444 --> 00:49:26,143
and he collapsed
and was taken to hospital,
671
00:49:26,405 --> 00:49:32,361
and the doctor said,
"Well, I'm afraid we think he's dying.
672
00:49:32,496 --> 00:49:35,367
"His liver doesn't exist any more.
He has no liver."
673
00:49:35,541 --> 00:49:40,416
And the producer said, "You don't
understand. We're making a movie."
674
00:49:40,587 --> 00:49:45,749
We carried on shooting with a double.
We did mostly Gina's stuff.
675
00:49:45,885 --> 00:49:52,220
And in something like three
or four weeks, he came on the set,
676
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:55,351
and he did look pretty awful
but he had survived.
677
00:49:56,313 --> 00:49:58,270
The doctor said, "Well, it's a miracle,
678
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,394
"but, of course, he must never
touch a drop of drink again."
679
00:50:01,568 --> 00:50:06,943
And he came on the set
with a glass of that much neat vodka,
680
00:50:07,074 --> 00:50:09,780
and as usual...carried on as usual.
681
00:50:15,291 --> 00:50:17,331
You have been studying my style,
monsieur!
682
00:50:17,544 --> 00:50:21,127
One has to understand
at that time films were still enter...
683
00:50:21,256 --> 00:50:23,462
I was going to say
films were still entertainment.
684
00:50:23,593 --> 00:50:25,502
No, today they're entertainment too.
685
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:28,838
But at that time they were coming out
of the old Hollywood system.
686
00:50:29,014 --> 00:50:31,303
There were Westerns,
they were genre films,
687
00:50:31,642 --> 00:50:35,177
and Technicolor was used
for heightening the genre.
688
00:50:36,355 --> 00:50:41,694
In the '40s and '50s, colour was still
relegated to films as a special element,
689
00:50:42,028 --> 00:50:44,400
rather than what happened
in the late '60s and the early '70s
690
00:50:44,572 --> 00:50:46,197
where all films became colour.
691
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,422
Jack was suggested
by the producer of the picture,
692
00:51:04,593 --> 00:51:07,429
who also happened to be the star.
693
00:51:07,555 --> 00:51:10,177
That's Kirk Douglas.
694
00:51:11,434 --> 00:51:14,389
(Kirk Douglas)
The shooting was very difficult.
695
00:51:14,522 --> 00:51:17,724
It seemed to be raining all the time.
696
00:51:17,941 --> 00:51:21,108
And once, in exasperation,
697
00:51:21,237 --> 00:51:25,234
I asked one of the young
Norwegian kids,
698
00:51:25,408 --> 00:51:29,571
"Hey, does it rain all the time here? "
699
00:51:29,745 --> 00:51:33,791
He said, "l don't know.
I'm only 1 8 years old."
700
00:51:35,293 --> 00:51:38,247
(Cardiff) I suggested to Dick,
"Why don't we shoot in the rain?
701
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:41,085
"Because these Vikings
are tough guys, you know,
702
00:51:41,216 --> 00:51:43,789
"and they would be out in all weathers."
703
00:51:44,011 --> 00:51:47,047
Dick agreed
and Kirk Douglas was overjoyed,
704
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:51,096
because it means that we could shoot,
wouldn't lose so much money.
705
00:51:51,269 --> 00:51:55,313
But as people know in the film business,
ordinary rain doesn't photograph.
706
00:51:55,481 --> 00:51:59,313
So we had to supplement it
with hoses coming down.
707
00:51:59,444 --> 00:52:01,687
The local villagers thought
we were out of our minds.
708
00:52:01,864 --> 00:52:03,940
It was already raining and
we were adding rain to it.
709
00:52:04,074 --> 00:52:06,196
But it worked very well.
710
00:52:06,534 --> 00:52:08,991
Kirk Douglas,
he liked doing his own stunts.
711
00:52:09,121 --> 00:52:10,995
In fact, he was a very good...
712
00:52:11,165 --> 00:52:14,997
He had a good sense of timing and all
the things that are good in a stunt man.
713
00:52:15,127 --> 00:52:18,461
- He does the shot walking on the oars.
- That's right.
714
00:52:18,631 --> 00:52:20,754
He fell in once or twice
but he soon got the hang of it.
715
00:52:21,091 --> 00:52:23,500
But that was considered a must,
that he had to fall off,
716
00:52:23,678 --> 00:52:26,300
cos he was too perfect, in fact.
717
00:52:27,224 --> 00:52:32,562
When he climbs up the wall of
the castle, after having thrown the axe,
718
00:52:32,687 --> 00:52:34,680
he climbed himself.
719
00:52:41,489 --> 00:52:42,947
(Fleischer) With Jack's ingenuity,
720
00:52:43,073 --> 00:52:47,368
we were able to do
some pretty remarkable shots.
721
00:52:47,453 --> 00:52:51,867
And looking at the film now, I'm really
astounded at how well they turned out,
722
00:52:52,042 --> 00:52:54,035
knowing how they were made,
723
00:52:54,169 --> 00:52:58,037
which is really with spit and cardboard
and some rubber bands,
724
00:52:58,257 --> 00:53:00,415
and it worked great.
725
00:53:04,429 --> 00:53:08,676
Jack and I were very worried,
how are we gonna make this scene,
726
00:53:09,059 --> 00:53:15,312
where you have all the Viking ships
going into a fog bank and disappearing.
727
00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:19,985
And it's essential to the story
that you have that scene.
728
00:53:20,155 --> 00:53:22,527
And Jack solved the problem with us.
729
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,784
He said, "lf we could just get
a patch of fog,
730
00:53:25,995 --> 00:53:29,530
"where the ships go
into the patch of fog,
731
00:53:29,874 --> 00:53:34,619
"that's all I really need,
and I'll make up the rest of the fog,
732
00:53:34,795 --> 00:53:36,704
"I'll make my own filter,
733
00:53:37,006 --> 00:53:40,625
"and paint it, a white filter,
734
00:53:40,802 --> 00:53:44,135
"which we'll just put up in front
of the camera and leave a square,
735
00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:46,933
"where the real fog is."
736
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,971
And that's what we did.
737
00:53:50,145 --> 00:53:54,891
And it's absolutely convincing.
It's a fantastic shot.
738
00:53:55,068 --> 00:53:58,067
Every time I see it, I get a chill,
knowing how it was made,
739
00:53:58,195 --> 00:54:00,865
but also the beauty of the shot.
740
00:54:03,576 --> 00:54:09,246
Jack, certainly, looking at his work,
and having worked with him,
741
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:15,829
is probably the greatest
colour photographer that ever lived.
742
00:54:18,425 --> 00:54:21,461
(Cardiff) Turner, well, I mean,
he was the perfect cameraman.
743
00:54:21,636 --> 00:54:23,464
If he'd been alive today,
744
00:54:23,597 --> 00:54:26,764
he would have been probably
the best cameraman in the world.
745
00:54:27,059 --> 00:54:31,687
I mean the way that he got dramatic
emphasis by over-lighting things
746
00:54:31,815 --> 00:54:35,859
which takes courage,
with a cameraman, anyway,
747
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:38,774
but he had plenty of courage,
you can see that.
748
00:54:38,905 --> 00:54:43,485
I mean, that church is burnt out
but it's so dramatic.
749
00:54:43,619 --> 00:54:47,746
I wouldn't start to dare to compare
myself to what Turner did,
750
00:54:48,123 --> 00:54:50,531
but I learnt a lot of lessons from Turner.
751
00:54:50,793 --> 00:54:53,747
You should go out and do something
that's different and bold,
752
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,463
and that's the whole essence
of photography, in a sense.
753
00:55:02,638 --> 00:55:06,507
We wanted an extreme long shot,
with a wide-angle lens,
754
00:55:06,643 --> 00:55:09,313
of the duel in the snow,
755
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,149
and these two guys
facing each other, long shot.
756
00:55:12,274 --> 00:55:15,228
But, of course, long shot,
we saw the spot rails,
757
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,861
so I had this idea of putting a piece
of glass in front of the camera,
758
00:55:19,073 --> 00:55:21,031
about six feet away.
759
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,863
I painted the glass,
in other words, the same colour.
760
00:55:24,077 --> 00:55:28,408
Then behind my shoulder I put
a little lamp that shone into the glass
761
00:55:28,541 --> 00:55:30,450
Iike a reflection of the sun.
762
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:34,294
But the first attempt I made,
I was using the sprayer,
763
00:55:34,465 --> 00:55:36,753
and I overdid it, and the paint
was running down the glass,
764
00:55:36,883 --> 00:55:39,968
and Dino de Laurentiis the producer
came on the set and said,
765
00:55:40,304 --> 00:55:43,887
"Cardiff, what do you do?
Wasting time! What do you do? "
766
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:48,228
I said, "I'm painting the glass,"
and he said...
767
00:55:48,354 --> 00:55:50,311
He was furious and walked off the stage.
768
00:55:50,523 --> 00:55:55,482
But later, it was a very effective shot
and he was showing it to everybody.
769
00:56:06,623 --> 00:56:10,538
(Voiceover) Of all the love stories
France has given to the world,
770
00:56:10,628 --> 00:56:13,296
this is the one to live in your memory.
771
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:16,383
(Cardiff) I had a call from New York
from Josh Logan.
772
00:56:16,509 --> 00:56:20,423
He said, "Jack, I want
you to photograph 'Fanny'."'
773
00:56:20,555 --> 00:56:22,133
I loved the film.
774
00:56:22,266 --> 00:56:25,468
It was great fun working with
Maurice Chevalier and Leslie Caron.
775
00:56:43,496 --> 00:56:46,450
(Turner) One of the most
beautifully photographed pictures
776
00:56:46,583 --> 00:56:49,075
of this whole canon
777
00:56:49,252 --> 00:56:51,826
would be "Pandora
And The Flying Dutchman"...
778
00:56:51,963 --> 00:56:53,920
When do you want to marry me, Steve?
779
00:56:54,257 --> 00:56:57,627
...which was produced
and directed by Albert Lewin,
780
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,089
who'd had a big success
with "The Picture Of Dorian Gray".
781
00:57:01,265 --> 00:57:03,803
(Scorsese) "Pandora And The Flying
Dutchman" was a unique film.
782
00:57:03,976 --> 00:57:06,432
It had fantasy and exotic locations.
783
00:57:06,562 --> 00:57:09,267
I am predisposed to that,
mainly because of where I come from.
784
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,434
Neo-realism I had right around me.
785
00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:15,523
If I wanted to go to a movie, I wanted
to see something more fantastical.
786
00:57:15,655 --> 00:57:20,483
(James Mason) With one bloody blow,
I killed all that I loved on God's earth.
787
00:57:20,661 --> 00:57:23,531
(Music drowns speech)
788
00:57:24,707 --> 00:57:27,624
(Scorsese) It was so romantic,
you know, it was so romantic.
789
00:57:27,751 --> 00:57:29,411
It took you to another world.
790
00:57:29,753 --> 00:57:31,462
There was something
about the way it looked
791
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:35,005
which put in my mind
Powell and Pressburger.
792
00:57:35,135 --> 00:57:38,586
Faith is a lie
and God himself is chaos!
793
00:57:38,847 --> 00:57:40,222
Silence!
794
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:44,719
It had the magical quality of Ava
Gardner as almost a mystical figure,
795
00:57:44,854 --> 00:57:47,392
a mystical sexuality.
796
00:57:48,858 --> 00:57:50,268
Hello?
797
00:57:50,609 --> 00:57:54,393
(Cardiff) She said, "Jack, I'm pleased
you're gonna photograph me,
798
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:58,528
"but you have to watch when I have my
periods, because I don't look so good."'
799
00:57:58,743 --> 00:58:02,528
I said, "I'll look after that."'
That was the first thing she said to me.
800
00:58:02,748 --> 00:58:08,334
Al Lewin used to do take after take, not
that he really wanted to do another take,
801
00:58:08,503 --> 00:58:13,546
but he just wanted to keep going
so he could gaze into Ava's face.
802
00:58:13,676 --> 00:58:17,755
And in a way that's true.
I've changed so since I've known you.
803
00:58:17,846 --> 00:58:20,967
(Cardiff) He said, "l want you to go
to Wallace Heaton's in Bond Street
804
00:58:21,142 --> 00:58:23,384
"and buy yourself a 1 6mm camera."'
805
00:58:23,561 --> 00:58:28,223
Which I have here, and it's just about
the cheapest one you can get.
806
00:58:28,399 --> 00:58:29,644
(Whirring)
807
00:58:29,817 --> 00:58:34,445
And I took it out to Africa
on "African Queen".
808
00:58:34,615 --> 00:58:36,738
Well, I've taken it on many films.
809
00:58:45,542 --> 00:58:49,411
A little to starboard, Miss!
No, no, the other way!
810
00:58:55,845 --> 00:58:59,464
(Cardiff) John Huston had the idea
of doing the whole thing in Africa,
811
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,685
and he said
it was going to be so easy.
812
00:59:02,812 --> 00:59:08,018
Huston went out there and said he didn't
like that location, it was too pretty.
813
00:59:08,233 --> 00:59:11,151
He disappeared for a couple of weeks
and we wondered what had happened,
814
00:59:11,362 --> 00:59:13,520
whether he'd been eaten by crocodiles,
815
00:59:13,698 --> 00:59:17,115
but he then sent a telegram
saying he'd found the perfect place
816
00:59:17,243 --> 00:59:19,651
in the Belgian Congo.
817
00:59:19,745 --> 00:59:23,365
It was right in nowhere land.
818
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,952
It was called Biondo, this place,
and it was beyond anywhere.
819
00:59:27,087 --> 00:59:30,586
It was two days' Jeep ride
from Stanleyville.
820
00:59:30,757 --> 00:59:33,165
He was not always thrilled
with the choice of locations
821
00:59:33,343 --> 00:59:36,547
because if there was
an impossible location to be found,
822
00:59:36,763 --> 00:59:39,172
John Huston was the man to find it.
823
00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:40,761
I was there for the whole shoot,
824
00:59:40,894 --> 00:59:45,556
and I think Jack had
tremendous admiration for John.
825
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:50,732
John always tried to get
almost impossible shots,
826
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:52,565
really difficult ones,
827
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:54,945
and Jack always got what he wanted.
828
01:00:21,061 --> 01:00:24,512
(Kevin McClory)
Huston was quite easy-going, in a way.
829
01:00:24,648 --> 01:00:31,646
But ever, beneath the casual
kind of attitude, was the artist,
830
01:00:31,863 --> 01:00:33,940
was the perfectionist.
831
01:00:34,283 --> 01:00:37,984
He had the utmost regard for Jack,
that I know,
832
01:00:38,162 --> 01:00:41,864
because they basically
talked the same language.
833
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,794
(Cardiff) We were towing this raft,
834
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,001
and we had Katherine Hepburn's
little place as a dressing room.
835
01:00:50,134 --> 01:00:52,707
I had a tiny generator for my two lamps.
836
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:55,427
I only had two lamps on the picture.
837
01:00:55,557 --> 01:00:57,963
And one or two others,
the sound department, had it.
838
01:00:58,309 --> 01:01:01,844
So it was a string of little boats
being towed along.
839
01:01:01,938 --> 01:01:05,853
Of course, when we came to a corner,
they were like a row of sausages,
840
01:01:06,067 --> 01:01:09,650
and they couldn't turn
so we would crash into the bank.
841
01:01:09,821 --> 01:01:14,566
(McClory) You could find yourself
with one leg, on "The African Queen",
842
01:01:14,701 --> 01:01:18,118
on the boat with Katie and Bogie
sitting down there,
843
01:01:18,247 --> 01:01:20,287
and your other leg up
on the bank of a river,
844
01:01:20,499 --> 01:01:23,703
holding a boom like that over them
and liable to go in,
845
01:01:23,878 --> 01:01:28,172
and in those rivers
were rather nasty creatures.
846
01:01:28,591 --> 01:01:32,886
(Cardiff) In Uganda on Lake Victoria,
we were all sick, very, very sick.
847
01:01:32,971 --> 01:01:38,179
I mean all kinds of dysentery,
all kinds of vomiting, everything.
848
01:01:38,435 --> 01:01:41,721
(Bacall) Sam Spiegel, our friend
and our producer, came to the location.
849
01:01:41,855 --> 01:01:45,770
He was furious cos the movie
had to shut down for three days.
850
01:01:45,984 --> 01:01:49,935
We got yet another doctor to look at it
and he found exactly what was wrong,
851
01:01:50,115 --> 01:01:52,072
that the filter, the water filter...
852
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,569
We were on a houseboat,
you see, and the filter wasn't there.
853
01:01:55,745 --> 01:02:01,202
So we were drinking just river water with
the droppings of hippos and crocodiles.
854
01:02:01,459 --> 01:02:05,956
And the only two persons who weren't
sick was Bogie and John Huston
855
01:02:06,132 --> 01:02:08,801
because they never touched water,
they only drank whisky.
856
01:02:09,009 --> 01:02:12,959
- I could give you a hand.
- Close your eyes, please, Mr Allnut.
857
01:02:15,182 --> 01:02:17,590
I'm all right. I'm all right.
858
01:02:17,727 --> 01:02:20,016
(Cardiff) Hepburn was an incredible lady.
859
01:02:20,147 --> 01:02:21,973
She was very strong-minded,
860
01:02:22,149 --> 01:02:26,396
and in some ways she didn't want
to be regarded as a frail woman.
861
01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:32,027
She wanted to be tough and accepted
as a woman of character and courage.
862
01:02:32,201 --> 01:02:35,735
She did go in the jungle
and she was a very, very brave woman.
863
01:02:35,912 --> 01:02:38,450
Ain't no person in their right mind
ain't scared of white water.
864
01:02:38,623 --> 01:02:42,836
I never dreamed that any mere physical
experience could be so stimulating.
865
01:02:43,004 --> 01:02:44,000
How's that, Miss?
866
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:48,294
(Cardiff) Bogie, of course, put on
this big act that he was a tough guy.
867
01:02:48,509 --> 01:02:51,594
I mean, he told me at the beginning
about makeup.
868
01:02:51,804 --> 01:02:53,715
He said, "Jack, see this face?
869
01:02:54,058 --> 01:02:57,509
"It's taken me many years to get
all these lines and crinkles in it.
870
01:02:57,686 --> 01:03:01,731
"That's the way I want it. Don't light me
up and make me look like a goddam fag.
871
01:03:01,899 --> 01:03:04,853
"l want to look like this."' So I did it.
872
01:03:04,985 --> 01:03:08,901
(Bacall) Bogie was not an actor who
cared much about the way he looked.
873
01:03:09,032 --> 01:03:12,032
But he appreciated good photography.
874
01:03:12,117 --> 01:03:17,658
And he loved effective photography
that worked for the story.
875
01:03:17,916 --> 01:03:22,579
(Bogart's character) I wrote and directed
ll three of the movies Maria was in,
876
01:03:22,713 --> 01:03:25,749
her short, full career
from start to finish.
877
01:03:25,882 --> 01:03:28,635
(Scorsese) It was a frightening film
for a young person to see.
878
01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:32,212
I'll never forget the opening scenes
in the graveyard in the rain.
879
01:03:32,515 --> 01:03:34,840
And his colour, his use of colour,
880
01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:37,971
particularly when they're in Monte Carlo
or on the yacht.
881
01:03:38,104 --> 01:03:41,473
She unveils, in a sense, and Edmond
O'Brien, all the guys, just look at her.
882
01:03:41,732 --> 01:03:43,809
It's an extraordinary picture.
883
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:47,272
(Voiceover) The world's number-one
symbol of desirability
884
01:03:47,447 --> 01:03:50,781
on display all over the world's
number-one showroom
885
01:03:50,909 --> 01:03:53,946
with the world's number-one
customers wanting to buy,
886
01:03:54,121 --> 01:03:57,039
and nobody wrapped her up
and took her home.
887
01:03:57,208 --> 01:04:00,458
(Cardiff) Oh, she was gorgeous,
of course. She was so good-looking.
888
01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:05,089
I was on location
with that one as well, and that...
889
01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:09,042
Yeah, but I think that Ava Gardner
was certainly not hard to photograph.
890
01:04:09,179 --> 01:04:14,600
I mean, Bogie may have been,
but Ava was such a great beauty.
891
01:04:14,768 --> 01:04:21,981
(Cardiff) The first time I met her,
she was very happy with Frank Sinatra.
892
01:04:22,109 --> 01:04:25,858
The next time I worked with her,
she was leaving Frank.
893
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:31,191
Something had gone wrong
and she was taking Soneryl to sleep
894
01:04:31,411 --> 01:04:34,780
and that made her a bit sleepy,
the eyes had to be looked after,
895
01:04:34,915 --> 01:04:36,788
so I was lighting her more carefully.
896
01:04:36,958 --> 01:04:42,748
And it is a fact, they rely
on the cameramen very much.
897
01:04:42,923 --> 01:04:46,708
I think I am pretty enough, but I would
not want to be that kind of star.
898
01:04:46,844 --> 01:04:51,137
Pretty enough? Any woman that
can use the moon for a key light...
899
01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:54,060
Key light? What is that?
900
01:04:54,185 --> 01:04:56,142
That's your light
when the stage is all lit up,
901
01:04:56,312 --> 01:04:58,519
the light that shines only on you.
902
01:04:58,773 --> 01:05:02,357
You took a lot ofiportraits ofiactresses,
didn'tyou, over the years?
903
01:05:02,486 --> 01:05:04,810
- Yes, I had...
- Could we have a look at those?
904
01:05:04,946 --> 01:05:08,647
I used to take them
usually in the lunch hour.
905
01:05:08,826 --> 01:05:13,240
And, um...I only had time to do a few.
906
01:05:20,338 --> 01:05:24,917
Audrey Hepburn was one
I did on "War And Peace".
907
01:05:28,013 --> 01:05:34,134
That's a typical type of lighting,
of light, dark, light, dark, you see.
908
01:05:34,312 --> 01:05:36,435
Dark, light, dark, light.
909
01:05:36,814 --> 01:05:40,147
- What's the name ofithat again?
- Chiaroscuro.
910
01:05:55,167 --> 01:05:57,041
Pierre.
911
01:06:10,850 --> 01:06:14,800
(Cardiff) I tried to photograph them
as many times as possible
912
01:06:14,979 --> 01:06:20,140
to get used to their face and study
any kind of flaws and things.
913
01:06:20,485 --> 01:06:23,570
Janet Leigh? That was on "The Vikings".
914
01:06:24,365 --> 01:06:28,908
And then we have Anita Ekberg,
who had a lovely face.
915
01:06:29,577 --> 01:06:32,248
And that was on "War And Peace".
916
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:44,172
They all had different qualities. I mean,
Loren had the most gorgeous eyes.
917
01:06:44,511 --> 01:06:46,302
Very expressive eyes.
918
01:06:47,389 --> 01:06:52,384
Audrey Hepburn had these
very thick eyebrows, which was...
919
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,517
She made a fashion out of that, and
she made a fashion out of many things.
920
01:06:59,235 --> 01:07:01,441
That's Sophia Loren,
921
01:07:02,697 --> 01:07:04,239
with a big hat.
922
01:07:04,365 --> 01:07:08,908
This is when I became like an amateur
enthusiast who takes pictures.
923
01:07:09,037 --> 01:07:12,323
Why does he take them?
He likes to take pictures, you know.
924
01:07:12,666 --> 01:07:14,789
And these women
were beautiful women.
925
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,000
And, you know, like you collect stamps,
926
01:07:17,129 --> 01:07:21,341
I collected beautiful women,
photographically, of course.
927
01:07:21,592 --> 01:07:24,047
Marilyn was always
sort of perfectly made up
928
01:07:24,219 --> 01:07:27,969
and she had a face
which was virtually perfect.
929
01:07:28,266 --> 01:07:33,093
She had a slightly tipped-up nose,
which was very attractive.
930
01:07:33,313 --> 01:07:36,563
She specifiically asked
fioryou once. What was that?
931
01:07:36,733 --> 01:07:40,269
Well, that was because I was in vogue.
932
01:07:40,446 --> 01:07:43,281
It's almost like footballers
that are getting around.
933
01:07:43,406 --> 01:07:47,488
They want a certain footballer
to be in a certain position
934
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:50,870
and they find out that
that's the best man, they get them.
935
01:07:51,123 --> 01:07:54,659
I don't know. And she asked for me,
and I was very flattered.
936
01:07:54,878 --> 01:07:56,537
You have pretty eyebrows.
937
01:07:56,712 --> 01:08:00,876
Love. What a universe of joy and pain
lies in that little word.
938
01:08:05,347 --> 01:08:08,550
Larry was...he was supposed
to be in that position.
939
01:08:08,684 --> 01:08:11,471
But he wanted to look through
the camera to see what the shot was.
940
01:08:11,603 --> 01:08:14,390
- He was directing.
- He wanted to see what the shot was.
941
01:08:14,523 --> 01:08:19,565
So I took his position and Marilyn
put her arms round me like that,
942
01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:23,195
and later on she wrote,
"Jack, I'll tell you what we'll do,"
943
01:08:23,283 --> 01:08:27,067
and Arthur Miller, the husband, said,
"Oh, no, you don't," so that was that.
944
01:08:27,203 --> 01:08:30,241
- What were you gonna do?
- I don't know.
945
01:08:30,458 --> 01:08:32,664
It was a tough job for him
because she was...
946
01:08:33,042 --> 01:08:36,662
I think she was a darling girl
in many instances,
947
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:39,295
but she...she had a lot of problems...
948
01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:41,797
- Do you reverse?
- Just try me!
949
01:08:42,052 --> 01:08:47,509
She would come on the set very late,
and it was a tough picture to do.
950
01:08:51,730 --> 01:08:54,268
(Voiceover) Between Marilyn and Olivier,
who also directed,
951
01:08:54,358 --> 01:08:56,646
there were occasional reports of strain.
952
01:08:57,736 --> 01:08:59,978
(Cardiff) We had a wonderful
make-up man, Whitey,
953
01:09:00,155 --> 01:09:02,397
who was with her for years.
954
01:09:02,574 --> 01:09:05,327
When she died, there was
an urgent call to New York,
955
01:09:05,453 --> 01:09:08,739
for he was in New York at the time,
and he had to fly back,
956
01:09:08,915 --> 01:09:12,782
because it was in the contract he had
to make her up when she was dead.
957
01:09:13,002 --> 01:09:17,415
The idea of making up this gorgeous
creature when she was dead,
958
01:09:17,548 --> 01:09:21,084
and putting on the lipstick and
the usual thing, it was a tough break.
959
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:25,348
He told me he had to have a couple
of stiff drinks before he started.
960
01:09:31,647 --> 01:09:35,063
Some weeks ago,
I had a celebration party,
961
01:09:35,192 --> 01:09:38,027
celebrating my 80 years in the cinema.
962
01:09:39,029 --> 01:09:42,530
No matter how good the cameraman is,
or thinks he is,
963
01:09:42,867 --> 01:09:47,613
he's got to serve the director,
that's absolutely important.
964
01:09:47,747 --> 01:09:52,742
The director has to be the one who
has the responsibility for the final film.
965
01:09:52,919 --> 01:09:56,965
(Speaks French)
966
01:09:57,091 --> 01:10:01,919
(Fleischer) It became apparent
when we were doing "The Vikings"
967
01:10:02,096 --> 01:10:07,091
that Jack really was
very interested in the actors
968
01:10:07,269 --> 01:10:09,558
and in the direction of the picture.
969
01:10:09,813 --> 01:10:15,437
Jack had every potential
of being an excellent director,
970
01:10:15,611 --> 01:10:17,650
and we discussed that,
971
01:10:17,863 --> 01:10:24,233
and as a matter of fact, I let him direct
one short scene in "The Vikings",
972
01:10:24,536 --> 01:10:29,033
just to see how he handled it,
973
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:32,245
and how he felt directing a film.
974
01:10:32,420 --> 01:10:35,375
(Cardiff) I worked
on a couple of B pictures,
975
01:10:35,549 --> 01:10:38,585
and the first one,
the critics said, in effect,
976
01:10:38,843 --> 01:10:42,509
why on earth did I want
to be a mediocre director
977
01:10:42,681 --> 01:10:44,674
when I'd been on top as a cameraman.
978
01:10:44,850 --> 01:10:49,013
And they suggested that I went back
to photography as soon as I could.
979
01:10:49,187 --> 01:10:52,224
Anyway, soon after that I got
the big break on "Sons & Lovers".
980
01:10:52,441 --> 01:10:54,268
(Rumbling)
981
01:11:00,866 --> 01:11:02,740
What is it?
982
01:11:04,871 --> 01:11:06,829
It's the mine.
983
01:11:13,296 --> 01:11:17,295
I thought "Sons & Lovers"
did a marvellous job.
984
01:11:17,427 --> 01:11:22,385
Some of them don't make the transition
very well, do they? But he did.
985
01:11:22,598 --> 01:11:26,382
(Voiceover) Local people, many of them
from mining families, became actors,
986
01:11:26,561 --> 01:11:29,396
to help recreate a mining disaster.
987
01:11:29,522 --> 01:11:31,182
Jack Cardiff was the director.
988
01:11:31,358 --> 01:11:35,486
(Yates) I do think that cinematographers
are inclined to be suspected
989
01:11:35,613 --> 01:11:38,613
of concentrating
on the look of the picture,
990
01:11:38,741 --> 01:11:41,362
which I don't think Jack did,
991
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:44,282
and I think that he was very clever
992
01:11:44,455 --> 01:11:47,410
to want to work with Freddie Francis,
993
01:11:47,542 --> 01:11:53,165
who was a very established
cameraman at that time.
994
01:11:53,298 --> 01:11:56,916
I'd just done a film for Jack Clayton,
called "Room At The Top",
995
01:11:57,218 --> 01:12:02,640
and I guess Jack liked the look of that
and decided he'd like me to do his film.
996
01:12:02,849 --> 01:12:06,099
Either that, or he thought I was cheap.
I can't remember.
997
01:12:06,312 --> 01:12:10,392
(Cardiff) I would never go to Freddie
and say, "ls the back light a bit hot? "
998
01:12:10,608 --> 01:12:12,517
Whatever. I would never say anything.
999
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:17,733
(Christie) It's a beautifully lit and
beautifully directed black-and-white film.
1000
01:12:17,865 --> 01:12:19,443
It's one of the classics
1001
01:12:19,575 --> 01:12:23,621
of British black-and-white
cinematography of the postwar period.
1002
01:12:26,166 --> 01:12:28,040
Forgive me.
1003
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:31,709
Forgive you? I love you.
1004
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,586
I always thought, being a southerner,
1005
01:12:34,801 --> 01:12:39,297
I always thought that going up north,
it was dreary and dark like that,
1006
01:12:39,472 --> 01:12:41,714
so I was quite happy
to shoot it that way.
1007
01:12:44,644 --> 01:12:46,969
(Voiceover) Action,
and the local actors jump to it,
1008
01:12:47,147 --> 01:12:51,097
producing a scene which will be
one of the highlights of the film.
1009
01:13:03,457 --> 01:13:06,077
You fioundyourselfi
nominatedfiorbest direction
1010
01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:07,792
at the American Academy A wards,
1011
01:13:07,918 --> 01:13:11,039
alongside Alfired Hitchcock.
who'd done "Psycho "that year.
1012
01:13:11,381 --> 01:13:14,418
- I 'd worked with him, as you know.
- And he'd seen "Sons & Lovers ".
1013
01:13:14,593 --> 01:13:16,302
He said, "I've seen 'Sons & Lovers'."'
1014
01:13:16,595 --> 01:13:19,382
He said, "lt was bloody good."'
1015
01:13:19,723 --> 01:13:24,516
He looked at me as much to say,
"How could you make such a good film? "
1016
01:13:24,604 --> 01:13:27,225
Because to him, I was a cameraman,
you know.
1017
01:13:27,357 --> 01:13:29,063
Mother! We're here!
1018
01:13:29,775 --> 01:13:33,560
- Hey!
- Come on, Paul!
1019
01:13:33,696 --> 01:13:36,021
- Go on.
- Quickly, quickly.
1020
01:13:36,366 --> 01:13:38,988
They'll be waiting to see us.
1021
01:13:39,286 --> 01:13:43,746
(Cardiff) It had a tremendous reception
and I felt this was really something,
1022
01:13:43,915 --> 01:13:47,367
that the lights were coming on
and everyone was applauding.
1023
01:13:47,586 --> 01:13:54,205
And Buddy Adler, who was the chief of
20th Century Fox, whispered in my ear,
1024
01:13:54,385 --> 01:13:58,549
"Jack, you must enjoy every moment of
this. It may never happen to you again."'
1025
01:13:58,682 --> 01:14:01,885
In fact it never happened
quite as good as that.
1026
01:14:03,186 --> 01:14:05,060
Didyou see "Sons & Lovers"?
1027
01:14:05,272 --> 01:14:09,352
Of course. That's a beautiful film.
I have a print of it, a Scope print of it.
1028
01:14:09,484 --> 01:14:13,483
And I liked...I liked "Sons & Lovers".
1029
01:14:13,614 --> 01:14:17,659
"Young Cassidy" I like a great deal.
I have a print of that also.
1030
01:14:17,869 --> 01:14:20,276
(Shouting)
1031
01:14:21,539 --> 01:14:24,575
(Horse whinnying)
1032
01:14:27,337 --> 01:14:31,286
- We'll win freedom yet, you bastards!
- Shut up and get back!
1033
01:14:53,156 --> 01:14:54,817
2 take 3.
1034
01:14:55,034 --> 01:14:59,244
Was it hardfioryou to go back to
cinematography after "Sons & Lovers "?
1035
01:14:59,412 --> 01:15:01,406
Not really. I've always loved
photography anyway.
1036
01:15:01,582 --> 01:15:06,161
And that was the time after that,
some years after that, that...
1037
01:15:06,378 --> 01:15:08,537
I made about a dozen films in all,
1038
01:15:08,672 --> 01:15:11,673
and then the film business in England,
as you know, more or less collapsed.
1039
01:15:11,801 --> 01:15:14,042
There was no work at all.
1040
01:15:16,056 --> 01:15:24,146
(Fleisher) I think it was...must have been
a very wrenching, angst-ridden decision,
1041
01:15:24,314 --> 01:15:31,029
and I really felt for him
when he had to do it, in one way.
1042
01:15:31,197 --> 01:15:33,901
In the other way, I was happy
because I grabbed him immediately
1043
01:15:34,241 --> 01:15:40,861
to be the cinematographer
on the next picture that I made.
1044
01:15:40,999 --> 01:15:43,835
Your Majesty,
I'm not the Prince of Wales.
1045
01:15:44,003 --> 01:15:45,828
(Laughing)
1046
01:15:59,268 --> 01:16:03,930
There are good cameramen
and fast cameramen.
1047
01:16:04,106 --> 01:16:07,606
There are very few good and fast,
and Jack was one of them.
1048
01:16:07,777 --> 01:16:11,822
That one's "The Red Shoes"
andthat's "Rambo",
1049
01:16:11,907 --> 01:16:14,195
and I think mostpeople
are very surprised
1050
01:16:14,367 --> 01:16:19,326
that a CV could incorporate
"The Red Shoes "in the late '40s
1051
01:16:19,498 --> 01:16:20,827
and "Rambo "in the '80s.
1052
01:16:21,167 --> 01:16:22,874
I had fun on the " Rambo" picture.
1053
01:16:24,586 --> 01:16:26,829
(Groaning)
1054
01:16:26,964 --> 01:16:29,123
(Coughs)
1055
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,967
I see you are not a stranger to pain.
1056
01:16:34,805 --> 01:16:37,475
Perhaps you have been among
my Vietnamese comrades before.
1057
01:16:37,683 --> 01:16:39,594
(Cardiff)
A totally different ball game then,
1058
01:16:39,895 --> 01:16:45,186
because, with Sylvester Stallone,
he was very masculine, very tough,
1059
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:48,644
and the film that I made with him
was a toughie.
1060
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:53,198
I couldn't try any beautiful composition
or anything. Everything was tough.
1061
01:16:53,576 --> 01:16:54,987
But it was successful.
1062
01:16:58,914 --> 01:17:00,194
Hurgh!
1063
01:17:03,253 --> 01:17:05,411
(Fleischer) Jack was the same
1064
01:17:05,672 --> 01:17:11,876
dedicated, brilliant creator
that he always was.
1065
01:17:12,011 --> 01:17:14,004
He didn't change in all that time,
1066
01:17:14,347 --> 01:17:16,886
and he put
the same amount of enthusiasm
1067
01:17:17,101 --> 01:17:19,224
and extreme professionalism
1068
01:17:19,603 --> 01:17:24,396
into the last film he made
as he did in the very first.
1069
01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:28,980
The only other cameraman I worked with
who was that fast and that good
1070
01:17:29,156 --> 01:17:31,148
is Sven Nykvist.
1071
01:17:31,324 --> 01:17:34,528
Sven is lightning-fast and so is Jack.
1072
01:17:43,588 --> 01:17:47,965
He had this box of filters
and he always carried it with him.
1073
01:17:48,134 --> 01:17:51,088
We were up in North Mexico,
in the desert,
1074
01:17:51,262 --> 01:17:55,342
and the sky was really bad, it was like
all grey, and there was nothing there,
1075
01:17:55,516 --> 01:18:00,263
so he pulled out a little thing and started
painting, and he put it in the camera,
1076
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:05,480
and all of a sudden instead of being a
grey sky, he made it magical, you know?
1077
01:18:05,653 --> 01:18:06,933
He's just a genius.
1078
01:18:07,237 --> 01:18:09,064
(Music playing)
1079
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:20,326
(Cardiff)
Today there's a big difference.
1080
01:18:20,585 --> 01:18:25,377
The days when I was working
on "Red Shoes", with all these effects,
1081
01:18:25,548 --> 01:18:28,004
and any film which had a lot of effects,
1082
01:18:28,134 --> 01:18:30,590
I wanted very much to do it myself,
1083
01:18:30,762 --> 01:18:34,049
even if it meant, like I said before,
breathing on a lens to have a fade-in
1084
01:18:34,183 --> 01:18:35,975
through mist or whatever.
1085
01:18:36,143 --> 01:18:41,268
But nowadays anything that comes up,
like a shot, is going to be made,
1086
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:43,724
which is really fantastic,
1087
01:18:44,068 --> 01:18:47,105
they say, "Jack, don't worry about that,
special effects will do that."'
1088
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:50,322
So I've always felt a bit left...
Ieft in the lurch.
1089
01:18:50,533 --> 01:18:57,153
Digital imagery looks real,
but it lacks an authenticity,
1090
01:18:57,291 --> 01:19:01,835
it lacks the used feeling in a way, it
lacks the feeling that you're really there.
1091
01:19:02,005 --> 01:19:04,329
(Voiceover) Andthen the attack.
1092
01:19:04,548 --> 01:19:07,466
(Scorsese) But what I'm saying now
won't matter at all,
1093
01:19:07,635 --> 01:19:11,550
because, er...it's already gone,
it's all finished.
1094
01:19:11,764 --> 01:19:13,972
(Voiceover) Today this scene
you see being fiilmed
1095
01:19:14,143 --> 01:19:16,847
has been processed in Technicolor.
1096
01:19:27,531 --> 01:19:31,695
(Fleischer) And cinematography
is definitely an art form,
1097
01:19:32,036 --> 01:19:37,577
and it is, I think,
the main art of the 20th century.
1098
01:19:37,709 --> 01:19:39,748
There's no question that it is,
1099
01:19:39,919 --> 01:19:44,498
because it involves every element of art
plus one, which is movement.
1100
01:19:49,263 --> 01:19:52,098
(Scorsese) I would like to think
it's an art form,
1101
01:19:52,265 --> 01:19:56,596
but there's always the stigma of cinema
because it's populist,
1102
01:19:58,356 --> 01:20:00,265
but those who are, you know,
1103
01:20:00,441 --> 01:20:03,811
wonderful literary figures,
critics et cetera, intellectuals,
1104
01:20:03,986 --> 01:20:08,732
will feel that cinema is a popular form,
therefore it's not really art.
1105
01:20:11,829 --> 01:20:21,035
When I see him,
I see the young eyes of a child peering.
1106
01:20:21,171 --> 01:20:26,926
It reminds me of the eyes
of Chagall the painter,
1107
01:20:27,220 --> 01:20:30,838
very inquisitive.
1108
01:20:31,016 --> 01:20:34,930
(Scorsese) How do you get...almost
like a spiritual image in your mind
1109
01:20:35,061 --> 01:20:36,853
and try to make that concrete?
1110
01:20:37,022 --> 01:20:39,858
An idea that hits you here,
an image that hits you here,
1111
01:20:40,026 --> 01:20:43,892
and then you have to translate it
through this piece of equipment.
1112
01:20:49,911 --> 01:20:54,952
(Cardiff) Some people, in an effort to be
kind and complimentary, say, "Ah, Jack,
1113
01:20:55,082 --> 01:20:58,000
"they don't make films
like those old Technicolor films."'
1114
01:20:58,127 --> 01:21:00,251
But that's all nonsense.
1115
01:21:00,589 --> 01:21:06,508
To me, the standard of photography
has improved, you know, enormously.
1116
01:21:06,845 --> 01:21:09,882
Go on, keep going, keep going.
1117
01:21:10,057 --> 01:21:12,809
OK, quiet, please, everyone.
1118
01:21:13,061 --> 01:21:14,888
See what I'm going for?
1119
01:21:15,230 --> 01:21:20,105
- Why don'tyou want to retire?
- No...I think I'd hate the idea.
1120
01:21:20,443 --> 01:21:22,436
I've got a big horizon.
1121
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:25,185
There's painting in between,
which is nice to do.
1122
01:21:25,323 --> 01:21:29,274
And hopefully, one of these days,
1123
01:21:29,453 --> 01:21:32,157
I'll just drop dead on the film set.
1124
01:21:38,170 --> 01:21:39,962
(Audience applauding)
1125
01:21:40,297 --> 01:21:41,709
(Hoffman) This is the first time
1126
01:21:41,842 --> 01:21:46,419
an honorary Oscar has been given
to a cinematographer.
1127
01:21:48,265 --> 01:21:52,393
Ladies and gentlemen, it is
my special privilege to present to you
1128
01:21:52,519 --> 01:21:54,892
Mr Jack Cardiff.
1129
01:21:55,814 --> 01:21:57,890
(Orchestral intro)
1130
01:22:13,541 --> 01:22:15,332
Thank you.
102405
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