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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,460 --> 00:00:04,297 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented 2 00:00:04,297 --> 00:00:06,815 by two separate yet equally important groups - 3 00:00:06,815 --> 00:00:08,733 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,733 --> 00:00:11,691 and the Crown Prosecutors who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,691 --> 00:00:13,649 These are their stories. 6 00:00:17,925 --> 00:00:20,483 Big smile for Mummy, Tom. 7 00:00:20,483 --> 00:00:22,960 I never can get a shot where they're both smiling. 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,878 Must be nice though - twins always have someone to play with. 9 00:00:26,997 --> 00:00:28,995 Only child? Yeah. 10 00:00:28,995 --> 00:00:30,993 Got ours buy one get one free. 11 00:00:30,993 --> 00:00:32,352 Ryan! 12 00:00:32,951 --> 00:00:35,389 Ryan? Ryan! 13 00:00:35,389 --> 00:00:37,028 Are you OK? No. 14 00:00:37,028 --> 00:00:40,225 My little boy's gone. He was just there and someone's taken him. 15 00:00:40,225 --> 00:00:42,263 Oh, my God! Ryan! Ryan! 16 00:00:42,263 --> 00:00:43,981 Ryan! 17 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:47,858 Ryan! Ryan! 18 00:00:52,334 --> 00:00:55,171 Ryan Stark. Two last week. 19 00:00:55,171 --> 00:00:57,529 He was on the merry-go-round in the yellow car. 20 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:59,887 His mum turned away for no more than 30 seconds, 21 00:00:59,887 --> 00:01:02,445 looked back and he was gone. Where's the ride operator? 22 00:01:02,445 --> 00:01:05,762 He's having a pub lunch. He left his 15-year-old son in charge. 23 00:01:05,762 --> 00:01:08,159 Although he wasn't being in charge? 24 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:11,476 He got distracted. He doesn't remember the kid or the mum. 25 00:01:12,475 --> 00:01:15,832 Kayla? This is DS Ronnie Brooks. Kayla Stark. 26 00:01:15,832 --> 00:01:18,870 Have you found Ryan yet? We've got a team working very hard on it. 27 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:21,467 The more you can tell us, the quicker we can find him. 28 00:01:21,467 --> 00:01:24,065 Could Ryan have got down from the ride by himself? 29 00:01:24,065 --> 00:01:27,382 I dunno, he's been on it loads of times. No, he wouldn't just get off. 30 00:01:27,382 --> 00:01:29,020 Was anyone else with you? 31 00:01:29,020 --> 00:01:32,018 I was supposed to meet my ex, Jimmy, but he never showed. 32 00:01:32,018 --> 00:01:34,176 Is Jimmy Ryan's Dad? Yeah. 33 00:01:34,176 --> 00:01:36,813 And is that Ryan's toy? 34 00:01:36,813 --> 00:01:39,811 Yeah, he takes it everywhere. Can't sleep without it. 35 00:01:39,811 --> 00:01:43,247 We could use that. The Police dogs can pick up Ryan's scent from that. 36 00:01:43,247 --> 00:01:45,246 If you don't mind? 37 00:01:46,325 --> 00:01:47,643 Thanks. 38 00:01:49,961 --> 00:01:53,278 Try not to worry, we'll do our very best to help you through it. 39 00:01:53,278 --> 00:01:56,555 Karen? Yep. Kayla, Karen will take you home, and get a few things 40 00:01:56,555 --> 00:01:58,713 and we'll meet you down at the station. 41 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:03,349 Right. 42 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:06,067 Snatching a kid from a ride right in front of his own mum. 43 00:02:06,067 --> 00:02:07,625 This bastard's got balls. 44 00:02:07,625 --> 00:02:09,983 Yeah, and I know what I'd like to do with them. 45 00:02:52,225 --> 00:02:55,701 How can a kid get snatched in front of 20 witnesses and no one see anything? 46 00:02:55,701 --> 00:02:58,219 You know what it's like when you put your kid on a ride - 47 00:02:58,219 --> 00:03:00,058 they're having the time of their life, 48 00:03:00,058 --> 00:03:02,775 you're just watching your own kid, not anybody else's. 49 00:03:02,775 --> 00:03:05,373 I bet half the mums and dads caught it on their phones. 50 00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:07,411 Get Ange to go through all the photos 51 00:03:07,411 --> 00:03:09,569 and video footage we can get our hands on. 52 00:03:09,569 --> 00:03:13,445 That'll be a problem. She's trawling through all the CCTV footage. 53 00:03:13,445 --> 00:03:16,163 The dad was supposed to make contact today. 54 00:03:16,163 --> 00:03:18,521 You know, this is probably just a custody thing. 55 00:03:18,521 --> 00:03:20,799 The dad apparently had access once a month, 56 00:03:20,799 --> 00:03:23,276 and he was meant to meet them at the merry-go-round 57 00:03:23,276 --> 00:03:25,994 20 minutes before Ryan was snatched. He never showed up. 58 00:03:25,994 --> 00:03:28,112 Maybe he did and she never saw him. 59 00:03:28,112 --> 00:03:31,749 Yeah, well, if the Dad did take the kid, hopefully he's safe. 60 00:03:31,749 --> 00:03:34,866 Yeah, right, because dads never harm their own kids, do they? 61 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:37,264 All I'm saying, Matt, is if this is a custody thing 62 00:03:37,264 --> 00:03:39,781 then he's gonna look after the kid, take care of him. 63 00:03:39,781 --> 00:03:40,900 He couldn't have left the country 64 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:43,898 the missing child alert was actioned within the hour. 65 00:03:43,898 --> 00:03:45,576 Kayla's waiting in there. 66 00:03:45,576 --> 00:03:49,413 Karen's collected the kid's toothbrush for DNA, just in case, 67 00:03:49,413 --> 00:03:53,169 but let's rule out Dad before we consider any other options. 68 00:03:58,724 --> 00:04:02,880 You've gotta find him before it gets dark. He hates the dark. 69 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:07,476 Kayla, Ryan's dad, um... 70 00:04:07,476 --> 00:04:08,515 Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy. 71 00:04:10,034 --> 00:04:12,831 Has he ever missed a visit before? No. 72 00:04:12,831 --> 00:04:15,429 He's always on at me for extra visits. 73 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:18,666 Do you think he might've taken Ryan? He wouldn't. 74 00:04:21,264 --> 00:04:25,140 Well, maybe...maybe he felt he wasn't getting enough time with Ryan. 75 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:26,859 I dunno. 76 00:04:28,697 --> 00:04:31,614 And do you have a boyfriend now? No. 77 00:04:31,614 --> 00:04:33,692 So it's just you and Ryannin the flat, 78 00:04:33,692 --> 00:04:37,689 and his dad comes and visits once a month? Yeah. 79 00:04:39,087 --> 00:04:42,924 Look, Jimmy hasn't took Ryan. He wouldn't. 80 00:04:42,924 --> 00:04:45,881 Have you got a mobile? Course. 81 00:04:45,881 --> 00:04:48,799 Did you take any pictures today of Ryan on the ride? 82 00:04:48,799 --> 00:04:50,917 No. My card's full. 83 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:53,235 But you have photographs of Ryan on there, yeah? 84 00:04:53,235 --> 00:04:55,752 Er, yeah. Um, I took... 85 00:04:58,550 --> 00:05:02,186 I took this one last week. On his birthday. 86 00:05:07,901 --> 00:05:11,538 Ryan's father is Jimmy Burton, 25, carpet fitter. 87 00:05:11,538 --> 00:05:13,816 Uniform's been round his flat no one home. 88 00:05:13,816 --> 00:05:16,054 And his mobile goes straight to answerphone, 89 00:05:16,054 --> 00:05:18,332 so does his home number. So we're onto him. 90 00:05:18,332 --> 00:05:20,130 We've got a search out for his car 91 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:22,248 and we've added his details to Ryan's alert. 92 00:05:22,248 --> 00:05:24,007 If he did take his kid and do a runner, 93 00:05:24,007 --> 00:05:26,125 someone must know what he was planning to do. 94 00:05:26,125 --> 00:05:28,443 Maybe his best mate? Or the Grandma. 95 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,998 My Jimmy loves that boy enough 96 00:05:32,998 --> 00:05:34,597 for 10 dads. 97 00:05:34,597 --> 00:05:36,995 And only gets to see him once a month? Yeah. 98 00:05:36,995 --> 00:05:39,672 Being away from your kids can break a dad's heart. 99 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:43,549 Break the gran's heart an' all. But grandparents don't have rights. 100 00:05:43,549 --> 00:05:45,747 Why did Jimmy and Kayla split up? 101 00:05:45,747 --> 00:05:48,504 They was just kids themselves when they had Ryan. 102 00:05:48,504 --> 00:05:49,983 They never stood a chance. 103 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:51,621 So was the break up amicable? 104 00:05:51,621 --> 00:05:55,298 Well, the only thing they argued about was Ryan. 105 00:05:55,298 --> 00:05:56,937 Jimmy wanted to see more of him. 106 00:05:57,856 --> 00:05:59,974 But Kayla didn't want that? 107 00:05:59,974 --> 00:06:03,930 She was all right about visits till six months ago, 108 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:06,328 and she cut Jimmy's access down to once a month. 109 00:06:06,328 --> 00:06:07,967 And that upset Jimmy? 110 00:06:07,967 --> 00:06:11,204 He told me he'd had it with her messing him about. 111 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:14,401 He wanted it sorted. Enough to take Ryan? 112 00:06:14,401 --> 00:06:17,438 No, no. He was doing it by the book. He got himself a solicitor. 113 00:06:17,438 --> 00:06:19,676 To get more access? To get custody. 114 00:06:23,113 --> 00:06:27,189 Oh, no. No, I know it looks bad but I swear to God, 115 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:29,867 Jimmy wouldn't do anything to mess up his chances 116 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:31,745 of getting Ryan for good. 117 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:35,821 I reckon glamour gran's straight up. 118 00:06:35,821 --> 00:06:38,259 So do I, but maybe Jimmy hasn't told her everything. 119 00:06:38,259 --> 00:06:41,416 If he takes that kid without Kayla's permission, even for one day, 120 00:06:41,416 --> 00:06:45,013 the family court thing's gonna go against him. 121 00:06:45,013 --> 00:06:49,009 Well, you don't know how it feels not to be able to see your kids, Matt. 122 00:06:52,166 --> 00:06:53,565 No ta. 123 00:06:53,565 --> 00:06:56,043 Sarah still not returned your calls, then? No. 124 00:06:56,043 --> 00:06:58,001 She's probably busy, eh? 125 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,077 I've been through all the footage covering the merry-go-round. 126 00:07:02,077 --> 00:07:04,635 This is Kayla and Ryan arriving. 127 00:07:04,635 --> 00:07:07,432 This is Kayla watching Ryan on the ride. 128 00:07:07,432 --> 00:07:10,710 What about the ride itself, Ange? Can you see Ryan on it? 129 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:13,427 If we could, we'd know who took him. 130 00:07:13,427 --> 00:07:16,504 None of the cameras are clear enough to see who's on it. 131 00:07:16,504 --> 00:07:18,582 And no sign of Jimmy Burton? 132 00:07:18,582 --> 00:07:19,701 I'm sorry. 133 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:22,659 Ryan's on the "at risk" register. 134 00:07:22,659 --> 00:07:25,816 Five months ago, one of the Nursery staff called social services 135 00:07:25,816 --> 00:07:28,294 after spotting some bruising on his legs. 136 00:07:28,294 --> 00:07:31,770 Kayla claims that he got it falling off the slide in the park. 137 00:07:37,885 --> 00:07:39,883 Last visit was a week ago. 138 00:07:39,883 --> 00:07:42,840 Ryan's case worker, Bernice Bradley's on holiday, 139 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,918 so you'll have to wait for her last report 140 00:07:44,918 --> 00:07:46,517 but the rest are in there. 141 00:07:46,517 --> 00:07:49,314 Why aren't the reports filed immediately after a visit? 142 00:07:49,314 --> 00:07:52,112 Bernie's got 15 cases on the go. Can be a week or two 143 00:07:52,112 --> 00:07:54,390 before a caseworker gets time to write a report. 144 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:56,788 How long's Ryan been on the register? Five months. 145 00:07:56,788 --> 00:07:59,185 He had some bruising but we think it was accidental. 146 00:07:59,185 --> 00:08:02,143 Then why's he still on the register? His mum's on her own, 147 00:08:02,143 --> 00:08:04,301 she's vulnerable. In what way? 148 00:08:04,301 --> 00:08:07,418 She's young, inexperienced, no family support. 149 00:08:07,418 --> 00:08:09,416 She needed some help. What kind of help? 150 00:08:09,416 --> 00:08:12,613 We got her some parenting classes. She's doing really well. 151 00:08:12,613 --> 00:08:14,731 So no major concerns over Ryan's welfare? 152 00:08:14,731 --> 00:08:17,928 With a bit more support from us she could be a really good mum. 153 00:08:19,727 --> 00:08:22,964 Why didn't Kayla tell us about social services herself? 154 00:08:22,964 --> 00:08:25,202 Gov, her focus is on getting her kid back. 155 00:08:25,202 --> 00:08:27,400 That's gonna be the last thing on her mind. 156 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,037 Any news on Jimmy? No sign of him. 157 00:08:30,037 --> 00:08:32,555 You've spoken to his boss? And his work colleagues. 158 00:08:32,555 --> 00:08:35,193 Everyone thinks he's a thoroughly decent blokes. Gov, 159 00:08:35,193 --> 00:08:40,268 if he has got Ryan, maybe we can make him see sense to bring the boy in. 160 00:08:40,268 --> 00:08:41,907 An appeal. Yeah. 161 00:08:41,907 --> 00:08:43,665 That way we can get to Jimmy directly. 162 00:08:43,665 --> 00:08:46,862 We don't want to scare him off too much, he's already gone to ground. 163 00:08:46,862 --> 00:08:50,099 Don't worry. I'll get a psychologist to phrase the appeal 164 00:08:50,099 --> 00:08:52,897 in such a way that if Jimmy has got Ryan, 165 00:08:52,897 --> 00:08:54,975 he'll feel compelled to bring him in. 166 00:08:59,650 --> 00:09:03,247 If you've got my Ryan, you need to bring him back. 167 00:09:04,326 --> 00:09:06,244 We need him home with his family. 168 00:09:10,201 --> 00:09:11,679 He needs his mum. 169 00:09:14,517 --> 00:09:16,875 Please bring my baby back. 170 00:09:20,671 --> 00:09:23,709 Ladies and gents, we're not taking any questions at this point. 171 00:09:23,709 --> 00:09:25,907 Thank you. If you think you've seen Ryan, 172 00:09:25,907 --> 00:09:29,423 please give us a call at the police incident room. 173 00:09:29,423 --> 00:09:31,382 And if you've got Ryan, 174 00:09:31,382 --> 00:09:37,296 Ryan's mum...and Dad love him very, very much, 175 00:09:37,296 --> 00:09:41,213 so just pick up the phone. That's all you have to do. 176 00:09:41,213 --> 00:09:43,650 We need Ryan back. 177 00:09:46,048 --> 00:09:48,486 Thank you very much. 178 00:09:49,645 --> 00:09:52,442 No questions today, thank you. 179 00:09:52,442 --> 00:09:54,840 You'll have plenty of chances when we know a a bit more. 180 00:09:55,759 --> 00:09:57,758 Was I all right? Yeah, you were great. 181 00:09:57,758 --> 00:10:00,235 Most people find it really tough. 182 00:10:00,235 --> 00:10:02,353 But did I look OK? 183 00:10:03,552 --> 00:10:04,711 Yeah. 184 00:10:10,626 --> 00:10:12,864 Are we sure he's not just some nutter? 185 00:10:12,864 --> 00:10:15,981 Well, Reception checked his ID, they reckon he's legit. 186 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:19,538 Let's find out then, shall we? 187 00:10:20,897 --> 00:10:23,694 Have you found him yet? Jimmy Burton? Yeah. 188 00:10:23,694 --> 00:10:25,612 Take a seat. 189 00:10:25,612 --> 00:10:27,650 I came the minute I heard the appeal. 190 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:29,609 Please tell me he's safe. 191 00:10:30,648 --> 00:10:33,245 Please tell me you've found my son. 192 00:10:47,512 --> 00:10:51,629 This is crazy. Why do you think I'd take him? 193 00:10:51,629 --> 00:10:55,585 Kayla said she was meant to meet you yesterday morning to collect Ryan. 194 00:10:55,585 --> 00:10:59,222 Today. Today I was meant to meet him. She always gets it muddled up. 195 00:10:59,222 --> 00:11:03,298 Where were you yesterday, Jimmy? Your boss told us you took the day off. 196 00:11:03,298 --> 00:11:06,495 I was driving up to Birmingham, to meet this bloke. Dan Tyler. 197 00:11:06,495 --> 00:11:10,651 Dan runs this fathers' rights group. He was gonna help me with my case. 198 00:11:10,651 --> 00:11:12,929 To get custody of Ryan? 199 00:11:12,929 --> 00:11:15,047 It was all right at first. 200 00:11:15,047 --> 00:11:18,444 Kayla let me take him every time she wanted a night out. 201 00:11:18,444 --> 00:11:22,281 Every time there was a new bloke, she wanted Ryan out the way. 202 00:11:22,281 --> 00:11:23,560 And what changed that? 203 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,437 About six months ago she stopped returning my calls. 204 00:11:26,437 --> 00:11:29,274 I went round her flat but she wouldn't answer the door. 205 00:11:29,274 --> 00:11:32,551 After that, if I wanted to see Ryan I had to meet her somewhere public. 206 00:11:32,551 --> 00:11:34,270 Like the merry-go-round? 207 00:11:34,270 --> 00:11:38,026 Cos we weren't married and she never put me on the birth certificate, 208 00:11:38,026 --> 00:11:40,744 I got no rights to my own kid. Can you believe that? 209 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,378 Dad's alibi checks out, he's in the clear. 210 00:11:47,378 --> 00:11:48,856 I've been on to the dog unit. 211 00:11:48,856 --> 00:11:51,774 The only scent that they picked up must have been Kayla Stark's 212 00:11:51,774 --> 00:11:54,891 cos they followed it to the point where she gets into one of our cars. 213 00:11:54,891 --> 00:11:56,689 Why didn't they pick up Ryan's scent? 214 00:11:56,689 --> 00:11:59,886 Kayla claims she washed the toy the night before Ryan went missing. 215 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:03,044 If he'd held it all morning, the dogs would have picked up his scent. 216 00:12:03,044 --> 00:12:05,961 When my Sarah was a kid, she had this toy rabbit. 217 00:12:05,961 --> 00:12:08,718 Went everywhere with her, ate with her, slept with her 218 00:12:08,718 --> 00:12:12,315 she watched the telly with it. Even if she went on a bus, or in the car, 219 00:12:12,315 --> 00:12:17,031 or on a ride, who was sat in the seat next to her all the time? Every time? 220 00:12:17,031 --> 00:12:18,949 That rabbit. 221 00:12:21,427 --> 00:12:26,902 So why wasn't this dinosaur toy thing on the ride with Ryan? 222 00:12:26,902 --> 00:12:31,338 It fell off and I picked it up. Why didn't you give him back to him? 223 00:12:31,338 --> 00:12:34,775 No, I couldn't. The ride was going round. 224 00:12:34,775 --> 00:12:36,293 And Ryan didn't mind? 225 00:12:36,293 --> 00:12:38,411 No. 226 00:12:38,411 --> 00:12:41,209 You said he was very attached to the toy. 227 00:12:42,887 --> 00:12:45,365 A lot of kids would have screamed the place down 228 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:49,561 had that happened to them. He was enjoying the ride. 229 00:12:49,561 --> 00:12:54,876 Thing is, Kayla...no one remembers Ryan being on the ride, 230 00:12:54,876 --> 00:12:57,834 or you putting him on it, or you paying for it. 231 00:12:57,994 --> 00:13:01,111 We've looked at all the CCTV footage for the area 232 00:13:01,111 --> 00:13:03,269 and we can see you, Kayla, pushing the buggy, 233 00:13:03,269 --> 00:13:05,267 but we don't see Ryan in the buggy. 234 00:13:05,267 --> 00:13:07,785 I don't understand. Of course he's in it. 235 00:13:07,785 --> 00:13:09,983 Have you erm, have you found his dad yet? 236 00:13:09,983 --> 00:13:13,060 Cos I've been thinking, and I reckon you might be right - 237 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:15,458 I reckon that Jimmy could've taken him. 238 00:13:16,777 --> 00:13:19,854 Jimmy's here at the station, Kayla. He doesn't have Ryan. 239 00:13:19,854 --> 00:13:21,732 He might be lying. 240 00:13:22,931 --> 00:13:26,288 I mean he could've took him up to his mum's. She hates me. 241 00:13:26,288 --> 00:13:28,766 She'd do anything to get back at me. 242 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:32,362 The only scent that the dogs found on the scene was yours. 243 00:13:32,362 --> 00:13:37,038 It's like Ryan was never there. That's because I washed Dino, innit? 244 00:13:37,038 --> 00:13:41,074 But when the liaison officer took you back to your flat to get your things, 245 00:13:41,074 --> 00:13:43,352 she took a couple of pillowcases from Ryan's bed 246 00:13:43,352 --> 00:13:46,430 and the dogs didn't pick his scent up on the ride or anywhere else. 247 00:13:46,430 --> 00:13:48,747 Well, I washed them too. 248 00:13:48,747 --> 00:13:51,305 Before you took Ryan out? The night before. 249 00:13:51,305 --> 00:13:53,863 So where did Ryan sleep? 250 00:13:53,863 --> 00:13:58,219 We should be out there! Looking for him! 251 00:13:58,219 --> 00:14:00,976 Could you take me, Ronnie? 252 00:14:00,976 --> 00:14:03,134 Maybe if we go somewhere where I went before, 253 00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:07,051 maybe I can remember something, or find something that might help! 254 00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:11,966 We got all the data off her phone, and downloaded all the photos. 255 00:14:11,966 --> 00:14:13,685 There's 60 of them. 256 00:14:13,685 --> 00:14:17,042 Well, she said it was full. No, the data card holds 500. 257 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,958 Why would she lie about that? 258 00:14:20,958 --> 00:14:23,955 Any photographs of Ryan on there? 259 00:14:23,955 --> 00:14:27,952 Only the one she showed you. The other 59 are of this bloke. 260 00:14:27,952 --> 00:14:31,349 Well, who's that? She said she didn't have a boyfriend at the minute. 261 00:14:31,349 --> 00:14:33,027 Could be an ex. 262 00:14:33,027 --> 00:14:36,184 Yeah, but, I mean that is at Ryan's birthday party last week. 263 00:14:36,184 --> 00:14:37,863 Surely she'd have mentioned him? 264 00:14:37,863 --> 00:14:40,221 We checked the internet access on the phone. 265 00:14:40,221 --> 00:14:43,218 She visited this website five times last week. 266 00:14:43,218 --> 00:14:45,975 It's a discussion thread for illegal adoption. 267 00:14:45,975 --> 00:14:47,494 Oh, you're joking. 268 00:14:47,494 --> 00:14:49,812 She messaged a couple of forum members too. 269 00:14:49,812 --> 00:14:53,169 Said she's got a two-year-old boy who she can't look after anymore. 270 00:14:53,169 --> 00:14:56,326 So maybe Ryan was coming between her and lover boy. Yeah. 271 00:14:56,326 --> 00:14:57,845 If she didn't want him anymore, 272 00:14:57,845 --> 00:15:00,842 why didn't she just give him back to his dad? He wanted custody. 273 00:15:00,842 --> 00:15:03,240 Spite maybe. 274 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,277 I mean, Jimmy's had trouble in the last six months 275 00:15:06,277 --> 00:15:08,195 getting to see Ryan, hasn't he? So... 276 00:15:08,195 --> 00:15:10,673 So she gives him away to a complete stranger? 277 00:15:10,673 --> 00:15:12,351 I'm sorry, doesn't make any sense. 278 00:15:12,351 --> 00:15:15,469 You've never had the pleasure of walking down the aisle, have you? 279 00:15:15,469 --> 00:15:17,467 So many people can't have kids of their own. 280 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:19,665 But loads of kids get adopted legally. 281 00:15:19,665 --> 00:15:21,303 It takes years that, doesn't it? 282 00:15:21,303 --> 00:15:25,100 And not every kid, by the way, is a two-year-old cute blonde boy. 283 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,538 So some desperate couple skips the red tape 284 00:15:27,538 --> 00:15:29,456 and she gets her freedom back. 285 00:15:29,456 --> 00:15:32,613 If she wanted to give him away maybe she made up the abduction story 286 00:15:32,613 --> 00:15:35,490 just to cover her tracks. We've got to get her talking. 287 00:15:35,490 --> 00:15:38,168 She wanted me to go out there and help her find Ryan, so... 288 00:15:38,168 --> 00:15:40,286 I'd be happier if you talked to her here. 289 00:15:40,286 --> 00:15:42,444 No, cos If Ron goes out and retraces her steps, 290 00:15:42,444 --> 00:15:44,362 we get to see the whole journey in detail. 291 00:15:44,362 --> 00:15:48,199 And if there was a handover, maybe somebody saw something. 292 00:15:48,199 --> 00:15:52,315 Well, all right. But I want you on a wire. We've got to cover our arses. 293 00:15:56,591 --> 00:15:58,869 You and Jimmy don't get on, then? 294 00:15:58,869 --> 00:16:02,506 He doesn't like me having boyfriends in case Ryan likes them too much. 295 00:16:03,745 --> 00:16:06,302 Maybe he's scared of losing Ryan for good. 296 00:16:07,381 --> 00:16:11,697 I mean, you get married, Ryan gets a new dad. 297 00:16:11,697 --> 00:16:14,735 I'm not getting married until I'm at least 25. 298 00:16:14,735 --> 00:16:18,251 How comes you don't have a boyfriend? Pretty girl like you, 299 00:16:18,251 --> 00:16:20,489 they must be queuing up round the block.' 300 00:16:20,489 --> 00:16:23,647 'Yeah, cos they really wanna be lumbered with someone else's kid.' 301 00:16:23,647 --> 00:16:25,805 'Do you regret having Ryan so young?' 302 00:16:25,805 --> 00:16:27,963 Used to be all I ever wanted. 303 00:16:27,963 --> 00:16:31,919 Be like them girls pushing prams round the estate, all proud. 304 00:16:33,318 --> 00:16:35,795 I remember at school they did this talk 305 00:16:35,795 --> 00:16:37,354 about how hard it was to be a mum 306 00:16:37,354 --> 00:16:39,672 and we were all just like, whatever. 307 00:16:39,672 --> 00:16:42,709 They even had one of them dolls, you know, 308 00:16:42,709 --> 00:16:44,787 that cries when it needs changing? Yeah. 309 00:16:44,787 --> 00:16:47,984 Supposed to put you off having kids. 310 00:16:47,984 --> 00:16:50,542 But it didn't put you off? 311 00:16:50,542 --> 00:16:53,260 When it was my turn to take it home, 312 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:55,857 it was proper screaming at two o'clock in the morning - 313 00:16:55,857 --> 00:16:57,736 I just took the batteries out. 314 00:16:57,736 --> 00:17:00,053 'Well, you can't do that with a real baby.' 315 00:17:01,052 --> 00:17:03,610 'Wish I'd had a dad like you.' 316 00:17:03,610 --> 00:17:05,568 'I'm not sure my daughters would agree!' 317 00:17:05,568 --> 00:17:07,087 'They would if they had my dad.' 318 00:17:10,324 --> 00:17:13,241 My eldest daughter Sarah, she's er... 319 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,958 ..she's sort of about your age. 320 00:17:17,797 --> 00:17:19,516 She's expecting a baby. 321 00:17:20,874 --> 00:17:22,713 You're gonna be a granddad. 322 00:17:23,952 --> 00:17:26,429 Well, if she'll let me. 323 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:30,066 She's not returning my calls. 324 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,745 Why not? 325 00:17:33,423 --> 00:17:35,102 Because the dad she remembers 326 00:17:35,102 --> 00:17:37,939 chose a bottle of whisky over her and her sister. 327 00:17:41,336 --> 00:17:43,054 So, where next? 328 00:17:48,329 --> 00:17:52,686 You don't drink now, then? Not for 2,198 days. 329 00:17:54,124 --> 00:17:56,082 Your daughter not proud? 330 00:17:58,001 --> 00:18:00,558 It doesn't change the past, does it? 331 00:18:00,558 --> 00:18:03,835 And I'm not proud of that, so... 332 00:18:06,073 --> 00:18:09,071 Bet all she wants is a big hug from her dad. 333 00:18:19,062 --> 00:18:21,619 Talk to me, Kayla. Trust me. 334 00:18:24,656 --> 00:18:28,053 I've kind of told you a white lie, Ronnie. 335 00:18:28,053 --> 00:18:30,691 I have got a boyfriend. 336 00:18:38,324 --> 00:18:40,162 We... 337 00:18:41,641 --> 00:18:45,238 ..we had a row before I come out. 338 00:18:45,238 --> 00:18:48,235 What about? Jimmy. 339 00:18:49,274 --> 00:18:51,872 And he doesn't like Jimmy seeing Ryan? 340 00:18:53,230 --> 00:18:55,508 He doesn't like me seeing Jimmy. 341 00:18:57,786 --> 00:19:00,784 He got me to stop the visits. Oh. 342 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:05,979 And sometimes I'd let Jimmy see Ryan in secret, 343 00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:10,575 but...if he found out, he'd go mental. 344 00:19:12,773 --> 00:19:14,971 Does your boyfriend have a name? 345 00:19:14,971 --> 00:19:17,009 'Rob.' 346 00:19:18,088 --> 00:19:20,006 'Does Rob have a temper?' 347 00:19:20,006 --> 00:19:23,483 He doesn't like it when Ryan cries. 348 00:19:25,241 --> 00:19:28,518 But kids cry. You can't stop 'em. 349 00:19:28,518 --> 00:19:31,196 Did he ever try and stop Ryan from crying? 350 00:19:32,914 --> 00:19:36,111 He couldn't think straight with all that noise. 351 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:39,748 That's what he said. 352 00:19:46,142 --> 00:19:48,540 'I left the house about 10:30, 353 00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:52,017 come up the shops to buy fish fingers and chips for Ryan's tea.' 354 00:19:52,017 --> 00:19:55,334 When I met Rob I thought that he liked kids. He's got enough of 'em. 355 00:19:55,334 --> 00:19:57,332 How many kids has he got? Four. 356 00:19:57,332 --> 00:19:58,891 He don't see 'em or nothing. 357 00:19:58,891 --> 00:20:00,809 Must cost him a fortune in child support. 358 00:20:00,809 --> 00:20:04,086 No, it's all right, he's on benefit so he don't pay or anything. 359 00:20:04,086 --> 00:20:06,444 And where does Rob live? We're just down there. 360 00:20:09,361 --> 00:20:11,839 Hang on a minute, so you live in Morden Rise with Rob? 361 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:13,917 But I thought you lived in Tollington View. 362 00:20:13,917 --> 00:20:16,595 I did. But Rob wanted us to move into his place. 363 00:20:16,595 --> 00:20:18,553 But your name's still on your old flat. 364 00:20:18,553 --> 00:20:20,631 My mate lives there with her kid. 365 00:20:20,631 --> 00:20:24,427 So the pillowcases and toothbrush, they weren't even Ryan's? 366 00:20:24,427 --> 00:20:26,386 'I'm sorry. I lied.' 367 00:20:26,386 --> 00:20:29,823 Morden Rise. All units to Morden Rise. 368 00:20:40,893 --> 00:20:44,050 Sorry, babe. I had to tell them what you done. 369 00:20:45,448 --> 00:20:47,087 Stupid cow! 370 00:20:49,125 --> 00:20:51,523 Search the bedrooms. Cuff him. 371 00:20:56,798 --> 00:20:58,556 Robert Whitely, I'm arresting you 372 00:20:58,556 --> 00:21:00,635 on suspicion of kidnapping Ryan Stark. 373 00:21:09,986 --> 00:21:11,585 No, nothing. 374 00:21:14,742 --> 00:21:18,179 What have you done with Ryan, Kayla? Where is he? 375 00:21:34,843 --> 00:21:37,081 He's in heaven, Ronnie. 376 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,877 My baby boy is in heaven with the angels. 377 00:22:04,377 --> 00:22:08,053 My client has prepared a statement which he would like to read out. 378 00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:15,726 I left my flat at 13 Morden Rise at five. 379 00:22:15,726 --> 00:22:18,923 My mate, Colin Woods, picked me up in his car 380 00:22:18,923 --> 00:22:23,120 and we drove to Milton Keynes where he lives. 381 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:27,436 We had a few drinks at his place and then went clubbing. 382 00:22:27,436 --> 00:22:30,353 We were drinking all night, and didn't get to London 383 00:22:30,353 --> 00:22:32,231 until the next day. 384 00:22:34,389 --> 00:22:37,387 Did you go into Ryan's room before you went out? No comment. 385 00:22:38,665 --> 00:22:40,384 You say you were drinking heavily. 386 00:22:40,384 --> 00:22:42,342 Do you remember coming home? No comment. 387 00:22:42,342 --> 00:22:45,619 Do you have any memory of what you did when you got home? No comment. 388 00:22:45,619 --> 00:22:48,536 Did you go into Ryan's bedroom when you got home? No comment. 389 00:22:48,536 --> 00:22:51,694 Did you kill Ryan Stark? I never went near her bloody kid! 390 00:22:51,694 --> 00:22:53,332 Shut up, Rob. 391 00:22:53,332 --> 00:22:56,010 My client has no further comments to make. 392 00:22:57,608 --> 00:23:00,965 So, what are we talking here? Sustained abuse or a single attack? 393 00:23:00,965 --> 00:23:03,643 Well, there's evidence of ongoing neglect and injuries 394 00:23:03,643 --> 00:23:05,121 dating back six months. 395 00:23:05,121 --> 00:23:07,759 And he never came to the attention of Social Services? 396 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,675 This is the updated file. Ryan was subject to a Child Protection plan 397 00:23:11,675 --> 00:23:13,434 for the last five months of his life. 398 00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:15,392 Doesn't look like they did a very good job! 399 00:23:15,392 --> 00:23:18,469 They were on the back foot. Social Services weren't aware that 400 00:23:18,469 --> 00:23:21,586 Kayla and Ryan were living with Whitely until after Ryan died. 401 00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:24,384 They were running a benefit scam, claiming on two flats. 402 00:23:24,384 --> 00:23:26,901 All Social Services visits happened at Kayla's flat. 403 00:23:26,901 --> 00:23:29,579 So they had no idea Rob Whitely was on the scene? Exactly. 404 00:23:29,579 --> 00:23:32,337 What was the cause of death? Suffocation. 405 00:23:32,337 --> 00:23:35,014 We can't be sure how. He had three cracked ribs 406 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:37,132 and there was bruising on his back. 407 00:23:37,132 --> 00:23:38,731 And we think during the attack 408 00:23:38,731 --> 00:23:41,009 Whitely pressed his full weight down onto Ryan. 409 00:23:41,009 --> 00:23:45,205 The pathologist then reckoned that had that happened on a sofa or a bed, 410 00:23:45,205 --> 00:23:48,242 Ryan could easily have suffocated. Were both of them abusing him? 411 00:23:48,242 --> 00:23:50,960 Kayla knew what Whitely was up to, that's for sure, 412 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,757 but it was definitely Whitely that was hurting the boy. 413 00:23:53,757 --> 00:23:56,075 He had a sovereign ring when we arrested him. 414 00:23:56,075 --> 00:23:58,353 We matched marks from Ryan's body to that ring. 415 00:23:58,353 --> 00:24:01,110 Initially, Kayla claimed Whitely was abusing Ryan. 416 00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:02,869 She changed her story? Not exactly. 417 00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:04,987 When we arrested them and they got briefed up, 418 00:24:04,987 --> 00:24:06,865 their only words were "no comment." 419 00:24:06,865 --> 00:24:10,142 But Whitely did come up with some sort of an alibi, didn't he? Yeah. 420 00:24:10,142 --> 00:24:11,461 Does it check out? 421 00:24:11,461 --> 00:24:14,458 We've got evidence of him being in a nightclub part of the night, 422 00:24:14,458 --> 00:24:17,016 but he easily had time enough to get back and kill Ryan. 423 00:24:17,016 --> 00:24:19,853 So is this child cruelty resulting in death or is it murder? 424 00:24:19,853 --> 00:24:22,291 No, no, it is murder. No doubt about it. 425 00:24:27,926 --> 00:24:30,843 Kayla and Rob Whitely haven't made any attempt 426 00:24:30,843 --> 00:24:34,160 to explain how or why Ryan died. 427 00:24:35,639 --> 00:24:37,397 That's to be expected. 428 00:24:37,397 --> 00:24:41,753 Their legal advisors have made sure they don't incriminate themselves. 429 00:24:41,753 --> 00:24:44,831 I can't promise we can secure a murder conviction, 430 00:24:44,831 --> 00:24:49,107 but I will do my best to make sure they both go to prison. 431 00:24:49,107 --> 00:24:51,345 I've got journalists... 432 00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:55,381 ..banging my door down, day and night... 433 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:58,498 ..wanting my story. 434 00:25:00,297 --> 00:25:03,893 All of a sudden everyone wants to hear what I got to say. 435 00:25:06,251 --> 00:25:08,249 For the past six months... 436 00:25:09,568 --> 00:25:11,726 ..I've been begging someone to listen... 437 00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:16,881 ..and all I heard was I got no right to see my own son. 438 00:25:16,881 --> 00:25:20,318 I'm his dad. I should've kept him safe. 439 00:25:30,189 --> 00:25:33,666 You know murder is notoriously hard to prove in child cruelty cases. 440 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:35,225 The abuse speaks for itself. 441 00:25:35,225 --> 00:25:37,742 A jury who sees the photographs will want to bring back hanging. 442 00:25:37,752 --> 00:25:39,741 A life sentence is a soft option. 443 00:25:39,741 --> 00:25:42,458 You think the Home Secretary wants a big expensive trial? 444 00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:44,137 What's the alternative? 445 00:25:45,415 --> 00:25:47,574 I'm not dropping the murder charge 446 00:25:47,574 --> 00:25:50,171 to save the Ministry of Justice a few quid, Henry. 447 00:25:50,171 --> 00:25:53,248 Just make sure those two don't get bail. 448 00:25:58,923 --> 00:26:01,361 Kayla was removed from her family at the age of five 449 00:26:01,361 --> 00:26:04,039 following chronic sexual abuse and physical violence 450 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:05,917 at the hands of her alcoholic father. 451 00:26:05,917 --> 00:26:07,755 Spare me the sob story. 452 00:26:07,755 --> 00:26:10,233 I have a report here from a clinical psychologist 453 00:26:10,233 --> 00:26:13,270 specialising in women who collude with a partner's abuse. 454 00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:17,227 It states that my client had "Developed a narcissistic attitude 455 00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:20,384 towards her son, viewing him as an extension of herself". 456 00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:23,861 So what are you saying? It wasn't her fault her son died? 457 00:26:23,861 --> 00:26:28,296 I'm saying her norms are radically different to yours or mine. 458 00:26:28,296 --> 00:26:31,414 She's only worthy of cruelty, so that's how she treats her child. 459 00:26:31,414 --> 00:26:33,612 And I can cite you women like Shy Keenan 460 00:26:33,612 --> 00:26:35,690 who endured the most horrific abuse 461 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:38,567 but came out the other side a hero not an abuser. 462 00:26:38,567 --> 00:26:40,805 It's a choice. 463 00:26:40,805 --> 00:26:42,923 Not if it affects her fitness to plead. 464 00:26:42,923 --> 00:26:45,801 History of abuse has no bearing on fitness to plead. 465 00:26:45,801 --> 00:26:47,959 She's as sane as any one of us, and you know it. 466 00:26:47,959 --> 00:26:50,796 Sane maybe, but she also has severe learning difficulties 467 00:26:50,796 --> 00:26:52,674 and the IQ of a 10-year-old child. 468 00:26:52,674 --> 00:26:56,311 Well, 10 is the age of criminal responsibility so we're good to go. 469 00:27:01,306 --> 00:27:03,504 You really don't remember me, do you? 470 00:27:03,504 --> 00:27:06,062 I'm sorry, should I? 471 00:27:06,062 --> 00:27:09,499 Phone number on the bedside table would've been nice. 472 00:27:17,811 --> 00:27:20,209 Defence are going to argue if Kayla Stark 473 00:27:20,209 --> 00:27:23,246 hadn't been a victim of abuse, none of this would've happened. 474 00:27:23,246 --> 00:27:25,804 An abusive childhood might be convenient mitigation 475 00:27:25,804 --> 00:27:29,241 but it isn't an excuse for murder. She deserves to go to prison. 476 00:27:29,241 --> 00:27:32,078 Any juror will see they deserve jail time, 477 00:27:32,078 --> 00:27:33,957 but what they did needs explaining. 478 00:27:33,957 --> 00:27:37,154 These are the wrong defendants to get all touchy feely over. 479 00:27:37,154 --> 00:27:40,471 They end up in psych units, the Home Secretary'll hang us all out to dry. 480 00:27:40,471 --> 00:27:43,868 I think we need to cover ourselves and order our own psych evaluations. 481 00:27:43,868 --> 00:27:47,664 Because her brief found a psychiatrist who claims Kayla Stark has a low IQ? 482 00:27:47,664 --> 00:27:50,382 Because we need to be one step ahead of defence. 483 00:27:50,382 --> 00:27:52,540 And don't you wanna know why they killed Ryan? 484 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:54,338 If we don't ask why, who will? 485 00:27:54,338 --> 00:27:57,575 Substitute psychology for morality and our jobs become obsolete. 486 00:27:57,575 --> 00:27:59,853 Deny they had a choice, you deny responsibility. 487 00:27:59,853 --> 00:28:02,251 So you really don't care why? Not in this case, no. 488 00:28:02,251 --> 00:28:05,528 All I care about is convicting one of them for the murder of a child. 489 00:28:05,528 --> 00:28:07,686 If we push for a murder trial we could lose. 490 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,803 There isn't enough evidence to prove which one of them killed Ryan. 491 00:28:10,803 --> 00:28:13,401 She's right. If we can't prove which one killed the boy, 492 00:28:13,401 --> 00:28:16,438 there's sufficient reasonable doubt to see them both walk. 493 00:28:16,438 --> 00:28:18,596 We could consider a manslaughter charge, 494 00:28:18,596 --> 00:28:20,754 try and get them to plead guilty. 495 00:28:20,754 --> 00:28:23,232 We may not get them to plead at all. 496 00:28:23,232 --> 00:28:25,989 Whitely and Stark's briefs have joined forces. 497 00:28:25,989 --> 00:28:28,907 They've applied for a fitness to plead hearing. 498 00:28:32,663 --> 00:28:37,339 Sorry Mr Browning, I have no doubt Robert Whitely is fit to plead. 499 00:28:37,339 --> 00:28:41,056 I have some concerns, however, regarding Kayla Stark's IQ 500 00:28:41,056 --> 00:28:42,854 and her learning difficulties. 501 00:28:42,854 --> 00:28:45,452 Has she the mental ability to follow the proceedings? 502 00:28:45,452 --> 00:28:47,889 We try 10-year-old children for murder 503 00:28:47,889 --> 00:28:50,607 without regard to their ability to follow proceedings. 504 00:28:50,607 --> 00:28:53,844 I'm not interested in debating the age of criminal responsibility, 505 00:28:53,844 --> 00:28:57,321 only in Kayla Stark's ability to understand what she's pleading to. 506 00:28:57,321 --> 00:29:00,598 The psychiatric evaluations suggest that she doesn't, m'Lord. 507 00:29:00,598 --> 00:29:03,835 So on the say so of two psychiatrists who've seen her for five minutes, 508 00:29:03,835 --> 00:29:06,193 we go from murder to nothing in less than an hour! 509 00:29:06,193 --> 00:29:08,471 If she's not fit to plead, she's not fit to plead. 510 00:29:08,471 --> 00:29:12,467 It's not rocket science. Which is fortunate as none of us are rocket scientists. 511 00:29:14,545 --> 00:29:18,102 There is also my defendant's family history to take into consideration. 512 00:29:18,102 --> 00:29:21,459 Which you can introduce in trial but bears no relevance to this hearing. 513 00:29:21,459 --> 00:29:23,457 Indeed, Mr Thorne. 514 00:29:24,496 --> 00:29:28,333 According to reports, she is not suffering from mental illness. 515 00:29:28,333 --> 00:29:32,329 So, the only issue is her IQ and her learning difficulties. 516 00:29:32,329 --> 00:29:34,607 She was capable of concocting a story 517 00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:36,325 that her child had been abducted. 518 00:29:36,325 --> 00:29:40,042 Low IQ or not, she is quite capable of standing trial. 519 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,757 I'm sorry, Miss Dyer, I'm with the Crown on this. 520 00:29:45,757 --> 00:29:49,314 Anyone capable of weaving such an elaborate web of lies 521 00:29:49,314 --> 00:29:51,432 is capable of entering a plea. 522 00:29:51,432 --> 00:29:54,988 The charges stand. Trial will commence on Monday. 523 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,820 What do you reckon? 10 minutes before one of them caves? 524 00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:06,938 15 if they've got any self respect. 525 00:30:06,938 --> 00:30:09,056 Yvette or Gregor? Yvette, definitely. 526 00:30:09,056 --> 00:30:12,213 I reckon Gregor secretly wants the glory of a high profile trial. 527 00:30:12,213 --> 00:30:15,210 Yvette actually cares about her clients. Jake! 528 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:17,168 And she fancies you. 529 00:30:18,727 --> 00:30:21,684 We'll plead guilty to causing or allowing the death of a child. 530 00:30:21,684 --> 00:30:24,322 Great news. It'll help us secure the murder conviction. 531 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:25,840 If you drop the murder charge. 532 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,879 Even if she pleads to the lower charge, 533 00:30:27,879 --> 00:30:31,395 she could still end up in prison for life. So we all rest easy. 534 00:30:31,395 --> 00:30:35,112 Except for Ryan's dad. Oh, come on, Jake. 535 00:30:35,112 --> 00:30:37,710 Accept the plea and we'll give you Whitely gift wrapped. 536 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:39,228 Kayla will turn QE? 537 00:30:39,228 --> 00:30:42,146 She'll give you every last detail you need to crucify Whitely 538 00:30:42,146 --> 00:30:44,064 and put him away for murder. 539 00:30:51,457 --> 00:30:52,816 Ronnie. 540 00:30:52,816 --> 00:30:55,453 I've heard you've accepted a plea from Kayla Stark. 541 00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:58,651 She pleaded guilty to causing or allowing the death of a child. 542 00:30:58,651 --> 00:31:01,168 She was sentenced this morning, five year tariff. 543 00:31:01,168 --> 00:31:03,606 We charged her with murder on joint enterprise. 544 00:31:03,606 --> 00:31:06,084 We've got no evidence to prove which one killed Ryan. 545 00:31:06,084 --> 00:31:07,642 We put them both in that dock, 546 00:31:07,642 --> 00:31:10,360 their briefs'll cry reasonable doubt and they can walk. 547 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,718 I know why you did it, but it's just a matter of time 548 00:31:12,718 --> 00:31:16,035 before Whitely's brief comes knocking at your door for the same deal. 549 00:31:16,035 --> 00:31:19,711 If you accept Whitely's plea, they could both be out in five years. 550 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:23,188 Please, please tell me you think more of that little boy's life than that. 551 00:31:23,188 --> 00:31:26,305 You've been a copper long enough to know how the law works, Ronnie. 552 00:31:26,305 --> 00:31:27,824 Long enough to hope 553 00:31:27,824 --> 00:31:31,301 that if I charge someone with murder, they will be tried for murder. 554 00:31:33,299 --> 00:31:34,898 Ronnie, 555 00:31:34,898 --> 00:31:36,896 you have my word, 556 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:39,653 with Kayla's evidence, I can try Whitely with murder 557 00:31:39,653 --> 00:31:41,971 and send him to prison for life. 558 00:31:55,334 --> 00:31:56,813 Did my client, Robert Whitely, 559 00:31:56,813 --> 00:31:59,251 ever confess to killing Ryan Stark? 560 00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:01,129 No. 561 00:32:01,129 --> 00:32:05,005 So all you have is his ex-girlfriend Kayla Stark's claim that he did? 562 00:32:05,005 --> 00:32:07,923 Well, she was very clear about who killed her son. 563 00:32:07,923 --> 00:32:09,641 These claims Kayla made 564 00:32:09,641 --> 00:32:12,319 were offered up during a little walk you took together? 565 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,835 Yes they were, but we went out together to retrace her steps. 566 00:32:15,835 --> 00:32:17,674 Ah. I thought you took her out 567 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:21,151 to ask her personal, probing questions about her love life. 568 00:32:21,151 --> 00:32:24,548 I was trying to find out if Ryan was at risk from someone else. 569 00:32:24,548 --> 00:32:26,266 And did you tell her she was pretty? 570 00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:28,983 My learned friend is deviating into fantasy land, m'Lord. 571 00:32:28,983 --> 00:32:33,100 His insinuation DS Brooks, an officer with an impeccable record, 572 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,856 had some ulterior motive is beyond ridiculous. 573 00:32:36,856 --> 00:32:38,535 Withdrawn, m'Lord. 574 00:32:38,535 --> 00:32:40,653 Let me ask you one more time, DS Brooks, 575 00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:42,211 so we are completely clear, 576 00:32:42,211 --> 00:32:44,369 during the course of the police interviews, 577 00:32:44,369 --> 00:32:46,607 did Robert Whitely at any time 578 00:32:46,607 --> 00:32:49,565 say he was responsible for Ryan's death? 579 00:32:57,078 --> 00:32:59,716 No. No further questions, m'Lord. 580 00:32:59,716 --> 00:33:01,634 Re-examination, m'Lord. 581 00:33:02,753 --> 00:33:04,112 Am I right in assuming 582 00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:06,909 that other than a brief statement setting out his alibi, 583 00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:09,427 the defendant said nothing more than "no comment" 584 00:33:09,427 --> 00:33:13,143 while he was in police custody? Apart from one abusive remark, yes. 585 00:33:13,143 --> 00:33:14,622 And am I also right in assuming 586 00:33:14,622 --> 00:33:17,300 when you went out with Kayla Stark on this search for Ryan, 587 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,497 you were under the assumption that Ryan had been illegally adopted? 588 00:33:20,497 --> 00:33:23,014 Evidence suggested that Kayla had given Ryan away. 589 00:33:23,014 --> 00:33:26,731 So we thought by retracing her steps, we could find some new witnesses. 590 00:33:26,731 --> 00:33:29,688 So the only reason you took this unorthodox approach 591 00:33:29,688 --> 00:33:33,565 was because you believed there was a slim chance of finding Ryan alive, 592 00:33:33,565 --> 00:33:35,403 and you might rescue him? 593 00:33:35,403 --> 00:33:38,161 Well, we had hoped that that was the case, yes. 594 00:33:38,161 --> 00:33:41,557 Thank you, Detective Sergeant, you've been most helpful. 595 00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:45,594 Did Whitely attack Ryan the night he died? 596 00:33:48,791 --> 00:33:52,068 I was in bed...and Ryan was crying. 597 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:57,383 Rob went into Ryan's room. 598 00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,461 I heard him shouting. 599 00:33:59,461 --> 00:34:02,618 I heard Ryan - he was crying and then he stopped. 600 00:34:04,616 --> 00:34:07,014 When I went to get Ryan up in the morning, 601 00:34:07,014 --> 00:34:09,612 I knew he was dead. 602 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:15,606 I was scared. Jimmy was supposed to see him the next day. I panicked. 603 00:34:15,606 --> 00:34:17,924 And pretended Ryan had been abducted? 604 00:34:18,844 --> 00:34:20,082 Yeah. 605 00:34:20,082 --> 00:34:22,161 So there is no doubt in your mind 606 00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:25,997 that your son was alive when Robert Whitely entered his room that night 607 00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:28,075 and dead when he left it? 608 00:34:29,194 --> 00:34:31,032 No doubt at all. 609 00:34:32,951 --> 00:34:37,507 You pleaded guilty to "causing or allowing" Ryan's death. 610 00:34:37,507 --> 00:34:40,424 Did anyone else allow Ryan's death? 611 00:34:42,742 --> 00:34:45,779 Did anyone else know about Ryan's injuries? 612 00:34:45,779 --> 00:34:47,977 His social worker, Bernie Bradley, she knew. 613 00:34:49,416 --> 00:34:52,733 Is my learned friend simply hurling mud left, right and centre 614 00:34:52,733 --> 00:34:54,371 and seeing where it lands, 615 00:34:54,371 --> 00:34:57,688 or does this bear any relevance to the question of his client's guilt? 616 00:34:57,688 --> 00:34:59,726 Make your point, Mr Browning. 617 00:34:59,726 --> 00:35:03,163 There were 23 separate visits or meetings with social workers 618 00:35:03,163 --> 00:35:07,200 who came into your home and asked you questions about Ryan's injuries? 619 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,155 Yeah. So how is it possible that Ryan continued to suffer abuse? 620 00:35:13,514 --> 00:35:17,350 I covered it up. To protect your boyfriend? 621 00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:19,508 No to protect Ryan. 622 00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:23,625 I grew up in care. I know what them places are like. 623 00:35:23,625 --> 00:35:26,062 I was afraid they'd take him away from me. 624 00:35:26,062 --> 00:35:29,579 And these social workers, they believed your lies? 625 00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:32,776 I dunno. They wanted to get out of my house as quick as they could. 626 00:35:32,776 --> 00:35:35,334 That Bernie Bradley woman said my flat smelled. 627 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:38,051 She didn't want to conduct further visits to a child 628 00:35:38,051 --> 00:35:43,047 with inexplicable repeated serious injuries because your flat smelled?! 629 00:35:43,047 --> 00:35:47,003 That's right. And did she come on a visit the week before Ryan died? 630 00:35:47,003 --> 00:35:50,120 And how long did Bernie Bradley stay? She didn't. 631 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,079 She was on the doorstep a minute or so. 632 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,277 Did she see Ryan? He was asleep. 633 00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:56,754 So a week before Ryan's death, 634 00:35:56,754 --> 00:36:00,911 this senior social worker, responsible for Ryan's welfare, 635 00:36:00,911 --> 00:36:03,229 conducted this final visit 636 00:36:03,229 --> 00:36:06,026 and then walked away without even seeing him?! 637 00:36:09,942 --> 00:36:11,541 Yeah. 638 00:36:11,541 --> 00:36:13,779 No further questions my Lord. 639 00:36:19,494 --> 00:36:22,851 Gregor did a good job of making Ryan's social worker sound culpable. 640 00:36:22,851 --> 00:36:24,849 Yeah, maybe she had a role in Ryan's death 641 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,646 but you can't lay the blame on a bureaucratic system. 642 00:36:27,646 --> 00:36:29,884 Even if they failed to protect a child? 643 00:36:29,884 --> 00:36:32,402 Social Services have already sacked Bernice Bradley 644 00:36:32,402 --> 00:36:35,479 to save their own skins. Gregor's turning this into a witch hunt. 645 00:36:35,479 --> 00:36:38,596 If he causes enough confusion, the jury won't know who to blame. 646 00:36:41,234 --> 00:36:44,431 Aren't you the one responsible for Ryan Stark's death? 647 00:36:44,431 --> 00:36:47,628 I mean, you're the social worker who saw him 23 times 648 00:36:47,628 --> 00:36:50,146 and between your visits he was battered senseless. 649 00:36:50,146 --> 00:36:54,142 Kayla Stark hid what was going on. She lied about where she was living. 650 00:36:54,142 --> 00:36:56,540 Wasn't it your job to dig a little deeper? 651 00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:58,978 A week before he died, I sent Ryan's case for review 652 00:36:58,978 --> 00:37:01,895 so care proceedings could be considered. It's not in the file. 653 00:37:01,895 --> 00:37:04,533 There was an administrative error in the department. 654 00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:07,330 My written request was misfiled by a temp. 655 00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:11,007 Are you telling this court the life of an abused child was in the hands of a temp? 656 00:37:11,007 --> 00:37:14,284 Our department was already short staffed before our funding was cut. 657 00:37:14,284 --> 00:37:17,041 You were there, were you not? You didn't notice Ryan's case 658 00:37:17,041 --> 00:37:18,440 hadn't come up for review? 659 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,678 I thought about that little boy all the time. 660 00:37:20,678 --> 00:37:23,915 And yet you didn't help him. I went there the night he died! 661 00:37:23,915 --> 00:37:27,112 There's no record of any visit that night. It was out of hours. 662 00:37:27,112 --> 00:37:29,870 I turned up at the address on the file and she wasn't there. 663 00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:32,507 Her old neighbour told me where she was now living, 664 00:37:32,507 --> 00:37:35,824 I went round there and I told her I was issuing care proceedings. 665 00:37:37,103 --> 00:37:38,782 Are you 100 per cent certain 666 00:37:38,782 --> 00:37:40,780 this impromptu doorstep visit took place 667 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,898 the night Ryan died and not the week before? 668 00:37:42,898 --> 00:37:44,816 100 hundred percent. It was my birthday 669 00:37:44,816 --> 00:37:47,973 and I spent it writing a report stating she was living at Whitely's. 670 00:37:47,973 --> 00:37:50,331 I posted it through the office door at 5am 671 00:37:50,331 --> 00:37:53,528 before I got my flight to Spain. And it never went into the file? 672 00:37:53,528 --> 00:37:56,446 It was added to the request to issue care proceedings. 673 00:37:56,446 --> 00:37:58,124 Which got misfiled. 674 00:37:58,124 --> 00:38:01,081 By the time it was found, I'd been summarily dismissed. 675 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,998 I did everything in my power to protect that little boy. 676 00:38:04,998 --> 00:38:06,676 You have to believe me. 677 00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,512 Thanks a lot, Bernie. 678 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:16,068 Kayla lied about the last visit. 679 00:38:16,068 --> 00:38:19,664 She said in court that Bernie came round the week before Ryan died. 680 00:38:19,664 --> 00:38:22,662 Which she did. The last official visit at Kayla's old flat 681 00:38:22,662 --> 00:38:24,420 was the week before Ryan's death. 682 00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:26,738 But the doorstep visit was at Whitely's flat 683 00:38:26,738 --> 00:38:29,056 and happened the night Ryan died. 684 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:32,533 You'd remember if your social worker came round the night your kid died. 685 00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:35,490 So, what else has she been lying about? 686 00:38:37,528 --> 00:38:40,406 Ronnie? It's Jacob Thorne. 687 00:38:40,406 --> 00:38:44,802 What exactly did you say to Kayla Stark to get her to open up to you? 688 00:38:47,399 --> 00:38:49,317 The night Bernie Bradley came round 689 00:38:49,317 --> 00:38:51,955 and you spoke to her on your doorstep, was Rob there? 690 00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:54,753 He was out clubbing. We'd had a row. 691 00:38:54,753 --> 00:38:56,631 He didn't come back till the next day. 692 00:38:56,631 --> 00:38:59,308 So the visit took place at Rob Whitely's flat? 693 00:38:59,308 --> 00:39:03,145 Not your old flat, like all the other Social Services visits? 694 00:39:03,145 --> 00:39:07,141 Yeah. Well, she'd found out I was living there, hadn't she? 695 00:39:07,141 --> 00:39:09,379 Some busybody mouthing off. 696 00:39:09,379 --> 00:39:11,977 What time did he go out and what time did he return? 697 00:39:11,977 --> 00:39:15,494 He went out about eight. Got back the next morning about 10, 698 00:39:15,494 --> 00:39:16,932 just before I went out. 699 00:39:16,932 --> 00:39:18,851 Where did you go? 700 00:39:20,369 --> 00:39:22,367 Where did you go? I don't remember. 701 00:39:22,367 --> 00:39:25,644 You went to the corner shop, didn't you? You bought fish fingers. 702 00:39:25,644 --> 00:39:29,201 You went to the park, then you went to the merry-go-round in Bermondsey. 703 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,759 No, I didn't. Not that day. Then you raised the alarm 704 00:39:31,759 --> 00:39:33,118 that your son was missing, 705 00:39:33,118 --> 00:39:36,075 claiming that he'd been snatched from the merry-go-round. 706 00:39:36,075 --> 00:39:38,792 Isn't that the case? You've got it wrong. 707 00:39:43,149 --> 00:39:47,025 Bernice Bradley has told this court she went round to Whitely's flat 708 00:39:47,025 --> 00:39:51,061 and told you she was issuing care proceedings on the night Ryan died. 709 00:39:51,061 --> 00:39:54,178 She remembers quite distinctly because it was her birthday. 710 00:39:54,178 --> 00:39:57,535 You told the court that Rob was out the night Bernie made her visit 711 00:39:57,535 --> 00:40:02,131 which tallies with his alibi that he was clubbing in Milton Keynes. 712 00:40:02,131 --> 00:40:07,007 According to the pathology report, Ryan died between 10pm and 6am. 713 00:40:07,007 --> 00:40:10,524 If Robert Whitely wasn't at home during these hours, 714 00:40:10,524 --> 00:40:13,241 how did Ryan die? 715 00:40:13,241 --> 00:40:15,799 He went in his room before he went out. I wasn't lying. 716 00:40:15,799 --> 00:40:17,837 No, you weren't lying, Kayla, 717 00:40:17,837 --> 00:40:21,634 but you weren't telling us the whole truth either, were you? 718 00:40:21,634 --> 00:40:25,390 You told this court you went into Ryan's room at 8 the next morning 719 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:29,786 to get him up, but you went in before that, didn't you? 720 00:40:40,656 --> 00:40:43,174 He was in so much pain. 721 00:40:44,693 --> 00:40:46,771 You suffered extensive abuse 722 00:40:46,771 --> 00:40:50,128 at the hands of your own father, didn't you, Kayla? 723 00:40:52,565 --> 00:40:57,281 It must have been heartbreaking, seeing Ryan suffer like you did? 724 00:41:01,078 --> 00:41:04,674 I had to make it stop. Of course you did. 725 00:41:04,674 --> 00:41:06,473 That's what mums do, isn't it? 726 00:41:06,473 --> 00:41:10,109 Try and take away their child's suffering. What did you do? 727 00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:17,782 Talk to me, Kayla. 728 00:41:19,221 --> 00:41:21,259 Trust me. 729 00:41:25,336 --> 00:41:27,294 They were gonna take him into care. 730 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:33,688 I... 731 00:41:36,725 --> 00:41:38,723 I got a pillow... 732 00:41:43,479 --> 00:41:46,237 ..and I put it on his face... 733 00:41:49,354 --> 00:41:51,392 ..till he stopped moving. 734 00:41:57,666 --> 00:42:01,183 I...I just wanted him to be safe. 735 00:42:07,657 --> 00:42:10,135 I'm sorry. 736 00:42:10,135 --> 00:42:14,771 Jimmy, Jimmy...I'm so sorry. 737 00:42:30,316 --> 00:42:32,674 Kayla's pleading guilty to the murder charge. 738 00:42:32,674 --> 00:42:34,912 She knows she'll go to prison? 739 00:42:34,912 --> 00:42:39,148 She incriminated herself in open court. She's hardly got options. 740 00:42:40,627 --> 00:42:44,144 Henry will be thrilled you've saved the MOJ the cost of another trial. 741 00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:46,622 And they can sentence her along with Whitely, 742 00:42:46,622 --> 00:42:48,620 so, two for the price of one. 743 00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:51,217 And you don't have to spar with me across the court room 744 00:42:51,217 --> 00:42:54,095 for the next few weeks. Result. 745 00:42:55,534 --> 00:42:57,212 Blue tulip... 746 00:42:58,131 --> 00:42:59,770 left shoulder blade. 747 00:43:00,729 --> 00:43:02,687 Some things I don't forget. 748 00:43:19,192 --> 00:43:23,068 Kayla Stark, you have pleaded guilty to murder. 749 00:43:24,627 --> 00:43:28,863 I have no other option than to sentence you to life in prison 750 00:43:28,863 --> 00:43:32,180 for the minimum term of 20 years. 751 00:43:33,619 --> 00:43:38,335 Robert Whitely, you have been found guilty of causing or allowing 752 00:43:38,335 --> 00:43:39,973 the death of a child. 753 00:43:39,973 --> 00:43:43,450 It is my belief you played a major role in the death of that child 754 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:46,967 and had he not been moved into your home, he would still be alive now. 755 00:43:46,967 --> 00:43:48,765 I therefore sentence you 756 00:43:48,765 --> 00:43:51,043 to a term of imprisonment for public protection 757 00:43:51,043 --> 00:43:55,279 with a minimum term of eight years. Take them down. 758 00:44:13,423 --> 00:44:14,662 Jake! 759 00:44:19,497 --> 00:44:21,216 Thank you. 760 00:44:22,574 --> 00:44:24,533 We did the right thing. 761 00:44:26,691 --> 00:44:28,289 Yeah, we did. 762 00:44:32,645 --> 00:44:34,444 Do you fancy a pint? 763 00:44:34,444 --> 00:44:36,242 I can't tonight. Er... 764 00:44:37,761 --> 00:44:40,438 Actually, I've got plans. I'm seeing my daughter. 765 00:44:42,716 --> 00:44:44,434 Another time. Yeah? 766 00:44:44,484 --> 00:44:49,034 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 64856

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