All language subtitles for Still Missing Morgan - S01E03 (2023) WEB.eng

The case
of Juanita Wofford is now over.

Charles Vines admitted
before a judge he is guilty.

He is not just
a murderer, he´s a rapist.

That´s been proven.

You failed a polygraph.

Oh, I know, I´ve failed
all sorts of polygraphs.

I know for a fact he had

a red truck with a white camper

because I used to drive by it.

Charlie Vines had admitted

that -- that
he had actually, uh, done

the Morgan Nick abduction.

You were looking at somebody

that has some serious
issues going on.

We can change that children
wouldn´t be taken

and that predators
get jail sentences

that don´t allow them
to get out again

and -- and commit these crimes.

All these kids
who are out there --

they just don´t vanish
into thin air.

They do go somewhere,
and someone took our kids.

We are about ready
to find out

exactly what happened
to Jacob Wetterling,

and we´re about ready to hear it
from the man who did it.

I know about children,

and I know that if he could
come home, we could heal.

I had visions of us on the...

...French Riviera

or someplace outside
of Saint Joseph, Minnesota,

building new memories.

I planned for it.

I thought about that
instead of the,

"What if it´s -- What if --
What if it´s this," you know?

And that was my survival.

I don´t know that it´s smart,
but it was all I could do.

You know, I was running
all over the country

doing presentations
and talking to law enforcement

and keeping his story alive.

And I didn´t --
I didn´t know what to do.

I -- I don´t want
a 25th anniversary.

And I-I --
"No offense, Sheriff,

but you´ve had this case
for 25 years.

Where´s the team?

Where´s our state crime bureau,
our BCA,

our Tri-County Major Crime Unit,
the FBI,

all of the people
who were here at the beginning?

We need a fresh look.
Bring ´em back."

And, uh, so he did --
he pulled together a meeting,

and he had everybody
in the -- the -- they call it

the Jacob Wetterling
Investigation Room.

And so he called them all in,
and he said,

"Patty´s upset.
Go ahead, Patty.

And I said, you know, "I do
trainings for law enforcement.

I hear how cases are solved.

And they´re almost always solved
by going back to the beginning.

And you reset, and you --
you look at it.

Often, the names
come up at the beginning.

We need fresh eyes,
because if you´re --

you´re seeing it
for the 700th time,

you´re not seeing
what you´re not seeing.

One by one, they went
around the table

and -- and tried to explain
what they were doing.

And then the FBI said,

"Well, we could bring in
the CARD Team."

And I was like, "Yes!"

The year that I was off
at graduate school,

I was working, uh,
on a railroad crew

in, uh, northern Missouri
and down into Texas,

and that´s when Jacob
was abducted.

And I had gone to college
at Saint John´s,

which is five miles
from where Jacob was abducted.

So I was really aware
of the case,

and I had seen, uh, his father,
Jerry Wetterling´s billboards

along the freeway
going back and forth to class.

And so I knew the name.

And so, while I was
on that railroad crew

in the caboose of the train,
I said, uh, you know,

"I really want
to get into law enforcement

and work these types
of investigations."

And so that´s why I went
and I pursued

not only
local law enforcement,

but I wanted to get in the FBI
because I knew

that they were involved
in cases such as Jacob´s.

And I knew about them because,
around the country,

they were --
they were solving cases,

but they have to work
in coordination with the locals.

So I was so happy.

I -- It´s like this was a gift
that we needed.

The cold-case review
that we did,

it wasn´t
a flurry of activity.

Uh, there wasn´t, uh, a bunch
of things up on the boards,

and it was almost like
a library setting.

You get in, and you read,
and you read,

and, uh, you bounce ideas off
here and then,

but, uh,
the personalities in there,

they weren´t brash or loud --

that can tend to dominate
some of these task forces.

It was very quiet
and I would say thoughtful.

We had a lot to work with
as far as information

on what the previous
investigations in 1990 had done.

We didn´t go out
and interview anybody new

or find new evidence.

There was a blogger

who started writing
Jacob´s story,

and she had incredible detail,
really fact-based,

really, really good.

And she met through her blog --

some of the victims
started calling her.

And Jared --
we knew Jared had been a victim

of probably the same man
in January,

like 10 months earlier.

So Jared and Joy Baker

started going out
into Paynesville,

and they met all these victims.

So now you got a lot of people
who were with the guy

telling you more information.

In 1990, Danny Heinrich
had been identified

as a potential suspect
in a abduction

of a local, uh, 12-year-old
in Cold Spring, Minnesota,

which is about 15 miles
from Saint Joseph,

where Jacob Wetterling
was abducted.

In particular,
one of the things that stood out

in the cold-case review

is reading the initial report
from Cold Spring,

where the Cold Spring victim
had described his abductor,

and he had spent 30 minutes
or more with him.

He gave a very detailed physical
description of his abductor.

Uh, the officer that responded
that night

did an extraordinarily good job
of getting that information.

The victim´s mother
had told the officer that, uh,

"My son keeps wiping his mouth
with his sleeve."

And the officer recorded that
in the report.

Uh, that was pre-DNA.

And I think -- He just did an --

It was a master class
in police report writing

that the officer did,

which then led to being able
to actually figure out

where to potentially take DNA
from that sleeve.

There was a --
a report from the state lab

which indicated that --
that the DNA

that was on the Cold Spring
victim´s sweatshirt sleeve --

there was DNA in there,

but it didn´t match
any known offenders.

It wasn´t in the CODIS system,
which could mean many things.

One is that he --
that that offender

hadn´t been arrested
and provided DNA

or, also, you don´t really know

that that´s actually going to be
the offender´s DNA.

In the evidence room
at Stearns County, there was --

Heinrich had had about 25 hairs
pulled back in 1990

by the original investigators,

and they were still in evidence,
along with the shoes,

along with the, uh,
plaster cast from the drive--

the driveway
where the abduction occurred

and, uh, the tire tracks.

Uh, in those 25 hairs,

the state crime lab diligently
looked at them,

uh, but there wasn´t DNA
on the hairs.

A Stearns County investigator
went in

and found a slide that --

a hair that was preserved
in some laboratory slides

and submitted that.

And there was a --
a ball that contained DNA,

and they were able
to extract some DNA.

And in July of 2015,
a report came back

that the DNA from the sleeve
of the Cold Spring victim

matched the DNA that
was provided of Danny Heinrich.

It was like this whirlwind
of new -- renewed energy,

new eyes, new attention,
new people coming in,

and new re-- new technology,
new resources.

And it was -- it was amazing
to -- to experience,

´cause there was an energy
that we felt

that we hadn´t felt in years.

And -- And we were all committed

to finding who took Jacob.

What makes me mad --
I mean, I´m gonna

throw out my frustrations here
if that´s okay --

is, if somebody told you
they killed somebody,

why are you gonna wait 20 years
to tell somebody about it?

Yeah.

I get so crappin´ mad about it.

Just like this guy here.

I said,
"When did this guy tell you?"

"Oh, it was
about six years ago."

I said, "Where in the hell
were you at six years ago?"

"Well, I just didn´t know

if I should tell anybody
about it or not."

Part of
what we´re doing right now

with going back to June the 9th

is looking
at that particular day,

the witness statements
from that day.

In doing that,
there were some questions

over a couple of locations
that we have.

So I started calling witnesses
and reaching out to witnesses.

The next thing I know,

the individual
that I´m trying to contact --

his dad shows up in the lobby.

He was actually a little bit
irritated and frustrated

because he had shared
this information before.

He immediately tells me that,

"I-I´m the one with
the information that you need,"

and starts talking to me, uh,
about an individual

that he believes could be
responsible for Morgan.

So this was an individual
that I was not familiar with.

After he left, um,

Special Agent Bass with
the State Police pulled a file.

We sit down,
and he´s reading this file.

We pulled the lead,
started reviewing the lead, uh,

and learned that, uh,

this subject was actually,
uh, involved

in an attempted abduction
in Van Buren, uh,

about two and a half months
after Morgan.

When you look and you start
lining up pieces, uh,

they give you
a pretty clear direction,

and -- and this person
jumped number one to our list.

Kevin Johnson -- I began
my law-enforcement career

at Van Buren Police Department
in 1983,

and I retired in 1999.

I had, uh, first met
Billy Jack Lincks, uh, in 1983

after I had just come on
with the police department.

He was my first DWI arrest,

and, uh, so I knew of him
and knew him, uh, in the area.

He was a local, uh, elder man
in our area.

I don´t know that I ever got
back into contact with him

until like 1995 on this case
here that we´re talking about.

So the Van Buren Police
were dispatched

to, uh, the Sonic in their city

in reference to, I guess,
an attempted abduction.

There was a young girl

who had some brothers with her
and a friend.

They´d gotten them a Coke
and some fries,

and they´d gone around the back,
and they´d gone around there

to eat their fries and
drink their Coke and everything.

And at that time,
what apparently happened

was Mr. Lincks
had pulled up in his pickup

and wanted to speak
with all of them,

but, yet, his main interest
was with the girl.

He tried to get, um, uh,
the boys to leave.

He tried to give them, uh,
some money,

a dollar or -- apiece to, like,
go get something to eat

or go get
something else to drink

so he could speak
with the young girl,

who was, at the time,
about age 11.

He actually was able

to coax these children
two blocks away from the Sonic

where they originally made
their first contact.

He offers her money, more money,

and offers this money to her
for her to go home with him.

She, uh, naturally tells him no.

And then he has a very
indecent conversation with her.

And during their conversations,

uh, he was very sexual in nature
with his conversation

and stuff like that,

and that -- that scared her.

She says she´s going to call
the police.

He knocks over a drink, drops
a cigarette outside the truck,

tries to get her to come back
and pick the cigarette up.

Uh, she hollers at the boys
to go to Sonic --

she´s calling the police.

They take off running to Sonic.

He takes off in the truck
and crashes,

and they hear him crash.

And he subsequently from that
fled the scene.

I was called in the next day

to, uh, investi--
get a search warrant,

investigate it
with other officers, as well,

not just myself.

The case pretty much
was handed over to me.

Following
this attempted abduction,

this naturally makes the news.

It´s very soon after Morgan.

There´s a gentleman that, uh,
saw the news report,

and when he saw it,

he came forward to the
Van Buren Police Department

and advised them

that he was at a bank
which is across the street

from where, um, Mr. Lincks
was talking to these children.

And he observes, uh,
a red truck talking to kids.

Naturally, that had been
an early on description

of Morgan´s case.

It appears to be okay to him,

but he --
he basically tells himself,

"I probably need
to get this tag off this truck."

Found it to be, uh, the -- the
vehicle of Billy Jack Lincks.

We obtained a search warrant,
uh, to search his vehicle,

to search his house
for the described items

that she,
the girl, had given us,

in which time
we did find those items

in his -- in his possession.

When they drove
to the address, they observed

a red truck sitting
on the driveway with damage,

damage that, for them,
was consistent

with what had occurred
in the accident,

in the hit-and-run accident.

And we found his pickup, uh,
with damage.

And we found the pole
with damage

that was down
at 5th and Webster.

Um, upon searching his house,

we found the hat
that she described,

the wallet she described,
some money in his wallet.

Um, we took him into custody.

And then, that evening, I did
the interview with Mr. Lincks

and, uh, tried
to get him to admit to --

uh, ´cause
he was very cooperative --

I tried to get him to admit
to what he´d done,

but he chose not to do that.

Even though he remembered
a lot of things,

he chose to forget that part
of what he remembered.

That investigation,
that arrest, that conviction --

since it was so close to that,
we went ahead

and notified state police
to come in,

FBI to come in and get
some other agencies involved

that maybe, uh,
had a little bit more.

Uh, they were continuing
to work the case,

whereas we weren´t really
continuing to work it.

After, uh, he was arrested
and placed in, uh, the jail,

I went and --
and got him in the jail

and did an interview
in our interview office.

And, uh,
he was very, very cooperative.

I read him his Miranda rights.

He waived his right to counsel,
waived his right --

He wanted to participate.

He wanted to share
what he thought he knew

or what he knew.

He knew quite a bit
about the evening

and knew he had been drinking,

knew he had talked to some kid,
knew he had given some money.

But then, that´s basically
all he knew.

It was like, all of a sudden,
his -- his memory stopped,

and then,
the next thing you know,

he arrives at home,

and he wakes up
the next morning.

And that´s kind of
where I was questioning him --

"How come you remember
all these things,

but then, all of a sudden,
your memory stops

and then you wake up?"

And so we had the paint match
on the pole,

as well as the damage
to the truck,

as well as the --
the wood, uh, fibers

on the pickup itself.

And so that´s why we took the --
the truck.

When this happened, Van Buren --

Uh, what´s obvious
from us going back

and looking at the --
the case files --

that it did reach Alma,
naturally --

it´s 10 minutes down the road.

Um, a Special Agent
with the FBI --

at least one of them
was involved in this.

Um, a couple of agents
for the Arkansas State Police

were involved in it.

They did interviews.

They were a part of, um,

some of the evidentiary things

going on with that case
at that time.

And what we were able
to tell from that...

...is that
it was very apparent to us

this person looked
very interesting,

then, in Morgan´s case, as well.

We got pictures of the pole.

We got pictures
of the parking lot.

No picture of the truck -- none.

All the reports --
every report says red pickup.

Yeah.

You know,
when he goes to cross the bridge

to get liquor in ´95,
August ´95,

he comes back,

and there´s a girl the right age
and some -- some boys.

And it seems awful careless,
right?

His whole behavior
is really careless.

But he´s drunk as can be.

If it´s the same guy,

then we´re -- we´re thinking
behaviorally,

you know, if it´s the same guy
as, uh, Alma in June,

if he´s sitting there
watching ballgames,

he´s probably not as drunk
or as lit --

he´s more cautious.

And could it be the same guy?

Because the guy
in the witness statements

in even the successful
abduction in Alma

doesn´t give the indicators
of someone drunk.

When she starts to walk away
at the end,

he drops a cigarette
on the ground

and tries to get her
to come pick the cigarette up.

She´s able to give a description
of the cigarette,

but she says, at that point,

that´s when she turns around
and runs off,

and he crashes.

And I´m thinking he knew
at that point

they´re calling the police.

I´m thinking he panicked,

and that´s when
he hit the pole.

And his testimony is, you know,

"I-I don´t know why --
why would a drunk do that?

Why would a drunk go out and --
and go talk to these kids

and give them each a dollar?"

He denies everything
that has to do with the behavior

that he´s going
to victimize her.

And he remembers a few
other things.

So...

I look
at our different circumstances,

and you´ve got somebody
driving around,

doing the same thing with kids.

All the way around,
I mean, it´s the same thing.

I actually find some things
to me

that bring him in
a little bit more.

I´m -- I´m -- I agree with you.

I look through this --
the different stuff,

and I don´t see anything
that disqualifies him.

You know, kids are gonna --
you know,

when -- when you ask a kid
to describe someone,

if they´re --
if it´s an old person,

they can´t delineate real
accurately between 40 and 70.

If someone is old,
they´re old to them,

and everyone to a kid
looks to be tall.

So they´re going to describe
a person as tall.

Each -- Each witness
is just going to have

a different thing that
they just personally focus on

when they look at a person.

And there´s nothing about
any of the witness statements

that say -- that direct us away
from this guy.

- No.
- Or that say

we -- we -- we need
to look at other stuff.

Square headlights --
that´s the same as ours.

Square taillights.

I remember him having
some facial hair,

but other than that,
I really don´t --

there was no...
specific thing about him

that really, you know,
super stood out.

Maybe at that --
that time it might have,

but as -- as long as it´s been,

I just --
there was nothing really,

you know, major
that I would have noticed --

if there was tattoos on his face
or anything.

There was nothing that I noticed
that stuck out to me.

Which -- I mean, we were running
right by him, you know?

We´d -- You don´t --
You don´t think anything of it.

He´s just another adult,
you know? So...

I just remember it being red and
having a camper and being older.

I felt like it would look
more like a Chevy would,

like an old Chevy,
like a square light.

At the time,
I remember thinking,

´cause we had a Chevy truck,
it kind of was --

it reminded me of that --
just the way it was shaped --

the squareness,
the boxiness of it.

This is the one thing
that I found today

that interested me.

So, our truck is reported

to have a dent
on the passenger side.

And one of these kids reports

this truck has got a dent
on the passenger side, as well.

So it´s one more thing for me
that maybe it´s a --

maybe it´s a possibility.

We have descriptions of, uh,
the suspect from Van Buren

that, in different ways,

line up with our witnesses

that gave us descriptions.

And, also,
this subject in Van Buren, uh,

had a red pickup truck.

We know from reading
that investigation

that there was a witness

that puts a white camper shell
on that truck.

And so that witness tells
the state police investigator

that, up until
a couple of months ago,

that truck had
a white camper on it.

At the time, we´re --
we´re looking

first part of September of ´95.

That´s on the timeframe of
right after Morgan was abducted.

What really tweaked
our interest in this --

the truck itself for one portion
of the processing

actually was sent to
the Arkansas State Crime Lab

in Little Rock.

That´s unprecedented
in this case.

It´s never happened
since that time with a vehicle.

So that, for us, was a key
to tell us how serious they were

and how hard they were looking
at this in the beginning.

Where we are 25 years later

is, unfortunately, not able
to put our hands on those items.

They took steps
in the beginning of this,

even though it was Van Buren,

because it ran so much in line
with Morgan,

the State Police and the FBI
got involved in it,

and they were actually involved
in his ´95 case in Van Buren.

But the lead just stopped.

And what it looks like is that
he was given a polygraph exam,

uh, apparently passed
his polygraph,

and that was the end of the lead
being ran on him.

So we have got one report
that says this truck

went to the crime lab
and the crime lab processed it.

There´s a report in here

that Hyden, Hoffman,
Lonetree, Risley,

and Kevin Johnson

processed this truck
at Van Buren Street Department

in a garage.

And I believe they did.

And then I´ll bet that they sent
it to the lab after that.

Yeah.

They did an initial on 9/1
of this truck.

On 9/5, Hyden had it towed
to the crime lab...

...where they did
further processing.

It looks like maybe
that is where

they cut the bench seat
on the blood.

It just says they located
the following items --

an evidence bag
containing a cutting

from the front bench seat
in the pickup.

According to a preliminary test
conducted by Parsons,

her findings were this --
that this piece

contained a spot
of human blood.

In 1995, they were able
to process this and tell us,

"Hey, this is blood."

But DNA in 1995 was not anything
to where it is today.

The only thing in this that
we were able to -- to recover,

uh, was some original documents
that pertain to this case.

And aside from that,

we´ve not been able to find
any of this evidence.

It is -- uh, "frustrating"
doesn´t begin to cover

how you feel
when you´re running into this

because you´re looking at this
and understanding that,

today, with DNA in this age,

it could potentially, uh,
bring closure to a family

and solve a case
that´s 25 years old.

It´s beyond frustrating.

If we had that today --

to be able to test that blood
or to have that hair examined

and see
if it matches our case...

...would have been a miracle.

They didn´t find anything.

I didn´t have anything
for them to find, so...

And do you remember back --

what they all talked to you
back -- back in the day or...?

I´d rather not go over it.

I -- You know, I-I-I´ve got
bitter feelings over it.

And...

But you do know
you´re not under arrest.

You can leave
whenever you want.

- Well...
- We do have the search --

We have a warrant,
which I´ll give you a copy,

so we have the right to be here,
so let´s just try to --

I´ll try to make you
most comfortable and answer

-any questions you want...
-Yeah.

...and not put any pressure
on you, okay?

We believed that Heinrich
may have been, uh,

taking things
from his victim.

He had kept, uh,

the Cold Spring victim´s
underwear,

and he had cut hair

from one of
the Paynesville, uh, kids

that had been groped.

And so, at that time,

we also didn´t know
where Jacob was at.

And we had -- And we had great
clothing descriptors of Jacob,

but we didn´t know where
his clothes might have been.

So we were able to, uh,
write a warrant

in which we were seeking to go
potentially find those things,

as well as that that person
would likely have --

potentially have child
pornography in his residence.

They´re gonna come in,
and then I´ll tell you

what they´re gonna do --
They´re gonna take pictures,

and then they´re gonna have
a large --

gonna have
about eight guys here

so we can
get in and out quick.

They´re gonna go in
through the rooms in the house,

and they´re gonna go
into the garage,

then we´ll be
out of your hair.
Right, right, right.

You can do what you want to do
at that point, okay?

I was searching his bedroom.

His house was interesting
in that, uh,

Heinrich
was a lifelong bachelor.

Um, within his residence,

uh, he had swords on the wall,
a samurai sword.

Uh, he had
an extensive collection

of movies and television series,
videos.

In the downstairs area,

there was a -- a -- a --
an older computer,

but a computer.

And you could see
that he was very proud

of his military, uh, service

when he was
in the National Guard.

He was a very neat, uh,
housekeeper,

although the bed wasn´t made.

That seemed to be the only --
the only thing

that wasn´t very neat
and orderly within his home.

You´re going to find some things
in that house

that look pretty damn--
damning to me.

Okay.
There are...

Son of a bitch.

I recall, early on,
that, um, uh,

someone had located
child pornography

in a closet
in -- in the residence,

and then
let everybody know that.

He had cut out
from school yearbooks

pictures of kids
that he had probably --

boys that he had likely
gone to school with,

and he had pasted them on
nude images of other children.

He had, uh, again,
not a large collection,

but definitely child pornography
and child erotica there.

It seemed to predominantly be

of, uh, boys
around the age of Jacob,

the Cold Spring victim,

and the kids
that were in Paynesville.

They told us
they were going to --

Well, they told us
we needed to come into

the Law Enforcement Center.

And when we went downstairs,

usually, we met
with the sheriff and Pam

upstairs in their offices.

But this time, Pam said,
"We´re down here."

And we saw all of the people

who´d been
at that earlier meeting

were -- were back.

It was incredibly frightening.

This was different.

Never, never in our journey
had they sat us down

and thought that --
that they had the guy.

And they had
a PowerPoint presentation.

And it was then -- and this was
the first time I saw it --

where they had the footprint.

We´d seen the footprint of Jake,
you know,

at the abduction site
many times.

But, then, I didn´t know

that they´d had Danny´s shoes
all this time,

and they had a picture
of the bottom of his shoe,

and they had the thing
in the ground,

and that -- and they...

superimposed one
on top of the other.

And it was, like...
chilling.

And they did the same thing
with the tires.

And so we thought for sure,
but they said, "It´s forensic.

It -- It´s a match
to your visual eye and mind.

But it wasn´t --
There was no unique factor,

no tear in the shoe,
no rock that was in the tire

that would only be
in that tire --

not, you know, nothing that
made it different for him

than anybody else who wore
that same size shoe

or bought their tires at Sears.

You know, it was --
it was not enough.

And I -- like everybody else,

I thought,
"How can this not be enough?"

We left pretty devastated.

T-This was it, we knew.

Makes me cry now.

It was like nearly 27 years

of searching
and carrying that hope.

And it was like, it´s him.
I knew it was him.

And I think they arrested him
like the next day.

This is Daniel
Heinrich´s mug shot from 1990,

just four months after
Jacob Wetterling was abducted.

More than 25 years later,
Heinrich is in custody again --

this time, investigators say
they aren´t letting him go.

After us, they brought Jared in,
and they told us

they were going to show him
the same slide.

And in about
an hour and a half later,

I got a-a call
on my cellphone -- it´s Jared.

It´s like, "Can I?
I need a hug."

So he came over.

We knew
we were all in this together,

and the guy couldn´t be charged
in Jared´s case,

´cause the statute
of limitations had run out.

So poor Jared
would never get justice.

He would never have that man
have to face him in court.

And, you know, it was --
it was devastating for him, too.

But I felt -- And he knew it´s
because of his continued effort

and his willingness to share
about his victimization

and get others to share --

that was a huge part
of getting answers.

Who did you say
said something about, uh,

the concrete poured
recently after...?

He´s the one
that walked in here

and gave up the information
on this in the first place

and kicked this off.
Okay.

And he said they´d poured --
he said

he didn´t just pour the pad
three days after --

he turned around and built
a building on the pad.

And he was pissed

because he apparently shared
this information early on

because he was pissed off,

because when they ran
the search warrant

off the ´95 attempted,

they never touched the pad.

He said they didn´t even --
they didn´t look at it.

And he acted like --
And this is August.

This is only
three months after.

Right, right,
but he acted like

he had passed
that information on.

And when they ran
the search warrant,

they didn´t even look at it --
he was pissed.

You know, my goal in this

is to not cast bad light
on anybody.

And the reason being
is this --

I´m where I am
in this case today

because it´s on the backs
of the men and women

that came before me
that did this investigation.

So I don´t want to draw
any disrespect to them.

You know,
what I can probably explain

is that there are obstacles
25 years later in this case

to where things that occurred
25 years ago

aren´t necessarily maintained
by other agencies.

Uh, their -- their thought
doesn´t go in the direction

of the Alma Police Department
or necessarily Morgan´s case.

They deal with things
their own way.

ASP did a search
of the truck in ´95

for the attempted abduction
and possibly other crimes.

Sometime after that is when
law enforcement goes back --

we think, from those checks,
it´s probably 2005 --

five years after he´s dead, so
more information comes forward.

They end up on the property.

There´s some digging around.

Um, Chief Russell´s there.
You know, they debated it.

And then the decision was
not to dig under any concrete

or go any further, which --
sidebar for a second?

Well,
the guy´s five years´ dead,

and they´re doing
their diligence --

they´re looking back at reports
of someone saying,

"Well, he passed
the polygraph."

- Yeah.
- Right?

Do we want to throw resources --
Do we want to spend money

on this?
Yeah. Yeah.

I´m not making excuses
for people,

but trying to get the --
trying to underst--

the reasoning
in what we´re saying.

So then, they´re -- they´re --
they don´t do that property.

For me personally, a --
a polygraph exam is a tool.

It is not anything that, uh,

I´m going to be confident
basing a decision

to eliminate a person
as a suspect in a case

on a polygraph alone.

That´s not
a consideration for me.

I-I don´t have, um,
that kind of faith in them.

Obviously, uh,
we will be doing a dig,

and we will be, uh,
busting the slab up

and, um, exploring that

to find out whether or not, uh,

there´s any legitimacy
to that information.

We have the ERT truck,

so we´ll have
all its equipment,

um, three of the main
ERT personnel.

That´s a very small area.

The owner
of the property lives

just up that road.
Yeah.

So that road´s a narrow
dirt road, a steep entrance.

It´s going to be very limited
access and -- and crowded, so...

Oh, yeah.
...we´ll need to condense

somewhat
as we go down in there.

It shows two slabs -- 8 x 8 --
an outbuilding frame

and a patio slab --
8 x 8.

T-That is part of the process

that we´re
going through right now,

is to establish
whether or not

the building
that is on this property

is the actual building
that was there at ´95,

that was built at that time.

There´s a couple
of different slabs.

So we´re in the process
of looking, uh,

and trying to determine
which slab it was actually --

if -- if he pour it
three days after Morgan,

which slab it was.

If we can´t be certain,
we´ll take them all.

Hey.
What are you doing?

You should have called them
weeks ago, probably.

Well, um, I just want
to let you know

that, uh,
there´s gonna be a dig today.

And...

Yeah.

But it´s in Crawford County,

and, um, I really --

I don´t know much
beyond that.

They just feel like
that it´s going to be

in a populated enough area

that the media
will probably pick it up.

And so, you know, I didn´t
want you all to be blindsided.

Yeah. I mean, I´ll let you know
when I know something,

but you know how it is --
It´ll take all day,

probably, so...

Okay. All right.

I love you, too.

Bye.

Oh, and now she´s crying.

It always
upsets everybody because...

I mean, that´s what a dig means,

you know, is that they´re
looking for a body.

So...

Mnh.

Just really emotional.

That´s a thick damn pad
to put down for that.

Come to see how far deep --
that´s pretty deep.

Hold up. Hold up.

Those people put
about four inches above it.

- Holy cow.
- Yeah.

That´s -- Is that two?

- Hold on.
- Crazy.

That´s what it looks like.

It´s two layers.

- It´s two layers.
- What is that?

Yeah, it is.

Come down
beside that again.

Okay.

Come down another
six inches or so.

Let´s see what it does.

Look down to your right.

Look at where you can still see
that concrete.

Is it still concrete?

That´s thick as shit.

That´s a --
That´s a foot.

Come down another foot,
Rick.

Yeah.

Hey.
Come down another foot.

- There it is.
- Yeah.

Alright, hang on, buddy.

8 to 10 inches.

About a 10-inch slab.

Do you need that fence down
to get under the corner of that?

Yeah.

Rob...
Where´s Rob?

Can we lay this fence down
right here?

Can you lift that up
with your bucket?

I´ll try to get in.

So there have been a -- a --
a handful of digs over the years

that have been really hard

because it felt like

the lead information was...

...a -- a little different,
a little more maybe spot on.

Um, and this is one of those
for me

where...

the actual lead itself...

you know,
causes me to believe that

there´s a --
a strong possibility

that they could find something.

If they spend the day
and they don´t find anything...

...then what do we do with that
at the end of the day?

Because this is still a --
a really good lead.

It´s just maybe a wrong spot,
you know?

And so...

It´s -- I don´t know.

Ah, I don´t know.

Looks like it´s got
a footing under it

when he lifts it up.

That goes underneath
that shed.

So there´s no way in hell
that shed was there

and then he poured that slab.

Yeah. See?
That thing´s under that shed.

We´re not going to
try to save this, are we?

No, we´re not gonna try
to save it.

And then the other...?
Yeah.

Go to the other side,
and let´s pull that one out.

And then, when you dig,
we´re going to put the dirt

on top of the slabs, okay?

I remember hearing
about this lead when it happened

and, um, i-i-it got worked.

I mean, there´s a -- it´s got
a pretty good-sized case file

that goes with it, but...

that it, you know, got put aside
for whatever reasons.

Um, it´s hard to know that --

that, possibly,
if this is the person,

that we´ve known this
for a really long time,

since two months
after Morgan was taken.

I think the part
that bothers me the most

is that the perpetrator
is deceased...

...which means,
at the end of the day --

at the end of the day,
it means there´s no justice.

That, um,
no one is held accountable.

No one has to stand...

and, uh...

face us...

...for what they did.

That there´s just no justice
for Morgan in this.

And that´s something
I´m having...

a really hard time
getting my head around.

You know, I think
the world should be outraged

that there´s not justice
sometimes.

What
do you want to do?

Keep going till we hit --
till we hit solid.

Solid?
Yep.

I really think this --
this -- this guy here...

I think he is.

I think he´s --
Yeah, I do, too. I do, too.

I´m not seeing anybody
any better for it

than he is.
No.

And I think he got
his courage with her,

and that´s why he did
what he did in --

If the little girl
would have

gotten in the car with him
at Sonic

and he´d have left
with her,

do you think he´d have went
and dropped her off

when he was finished
playin´ with her?

No.
Hell no.

No.
So he --

He had it in him.
Yeah, he did.

And I´m telling you
right now,

when he tried to get her
to come back to the truck

and put that cigarette butt up,
that was his in.

That´s when he would have
put her in the truck.

He was gonna grab her.

That´s -- That´s somebody
pretty damn calm under pressure

to be in a parking lot
and snatch her

right next to
her mom´s car,

put her in the truck,
and drive out -- calm.

That´s somebody
that´s got some experience.

What do you think?

They´re gonna
keep going in this --

you know, we´ve kind of
pulled it onto the front edge.

Yeah.
Just clean it out.

I want them to go just --
Yeah, clean out that front edge

and -- and there´s rocky
and there´s red clay as we can,

and then they´re
going to start rolling up

under the shed
that way.

Okay.

So, if...

What do y´all think
on this?

Because...

if that´s -- if that´s
been here all these years,

I don´t see the point.

I don´t see a reason
to do that, but...
Anybody?

Do we know
how long the shed´s been here?

Yeah, do we know
for sure it´s been this...
No, we don´t.

Because I asked the owner,
and the owner said,

he can´t tell us that
that shed..

The picture looks
like it was there in 1990.

In ´90?
Yeah.

He said he can´t tell us that
that´s the exact shed, but...

But more than likely,
there was a shed.

Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

It would´ve been ideal if they
would´ve seen him placing it.

But that looks like
there´s a shed right there.

So, this is the house.

- In ´90, we got trouble.
- Yeah.

-See, that´s the driveway.
-Yes. Yeah.

That looks like
a shed there.

So I don´t see a point,
even if it was different.

So here´s the --
So here´s the only part

of the lead, okay?

So what he told me
is that they --

that he poured a slab

and he built a building
on top of the slab.

-That was the lead, right?
-Right. Right.

We´ve busted the slab.

There is no slab
that building´s sitting on.

Right.

But if the floor´s
cut up...

Anybody --
Anybody see a reason

to go underneath
that shed?

I don´t think so.

Chief? I don´t.

Absolutely.

Hello?

Hi there.
Hi.

Hey, I just wanted
to catch you up.

Um, okay.

So, we´re pretty much done.

Uh, yes.

Uh, the slab was moved.

Uh, we dug down to rock,

and it doesn´t appear
that the dirt was disturbed.

Uh, the shed itself
doesn´t appear that, uh --

from what we can tell,
it was probably here in 1990,

um, and the slab
was poured up next to it.

So it was here
when the slab was poured.

So, uh -- So we´re not
going to move the building.

Um, so everyone´s
pretty comfortable

that --
that we´re done.

So we´re putting --
putting things back now.

Yeah.

I´m sorry.

I know.

No. Okay.

Alright.

Alright, you´re welcome.

Alright, bye-bye.

And, you know,
that´s the only reason

I really agreed
to do the interview today.

There´s no one
to hold responsible.

And there´s no justice.

No, I...

I want the world
to be outraged...

...that there´s no justice.

Because Morgan deserves...

...better than this.

I-I showed him
the old interview

´cause -- ´cause I asked him --
I said, uh,

"What do you remember about,
you know,

this guy back in the day?"

He goes, "Rob,
I don´t remember anything."

And I said, "Nothing at all?"

He goes, "It seems like

the guy had a two-tone
red-and-white vehicle

´cause that´s just
what comes to my mind."

So I showed him the 302
for the interview,

and he read through it,
and he goes --

And I said, "So, if --
you know, would you say that --

that, if this is what you saw
back in the day,

that this would be true
and accurate now?"

He goes, "Yeah,
´cause if that´s what I said,

that´s --
that´s true and accurate."

And -- And he goes -- he goes,

"It says red truck.
I thought red and white."

I said, "Well,
did you notice in there

you also said it had a camper

a few months before
you´re interviewed in August?

You´re saying
a few months earlier

it had a camper shell
on it."

And he said, "Yeah."

And I said, "So, what would
that camper shell be?"

And he goes,
"Well, I´m thinking it´s --

If I keep seeing in my mind
red and white, two-tone,

then it had to have been
a white camper."

- Okay.
- Does that make sense?

- Yeah.
- And I said I said, uh --

I said, "Okay, would
it have gone over the cab,

or would it have been
a shell?"

He goes, "No." He goes,
"I pay attention to campers."

He -- He even had
an RV at his house

while we´re talking
or -- or a gooseneck.

And he´s like, you know,
"I´m into camping and campers,"

goes, "I-I have always been."

So he goes,
"I-I would have noticed

if it had been a big camper
that goes over the cab --

it was just a shell
over the -- the bed,"

as best as he can remember.

And then he´s like,
"It had to have been white,"

because he keeps seeing
the vehicle in his mind

as a two-tone red-and-white.

And so, I got to looking
at these pictures I sent to you.

If I can find the ones
that, uh...

Look.
Look at this truck.

We need to get that truck
before the guy gets a wild hair

and either sells it
or takes it to a scrapyard.

And then to -- if we need
to interview the ex-wife

before she --
because of her age.

Yeah, I´m thinking we need to
up our game time wise.

Yeah. And -- And -- And so,
with that thought,

I was going to --
if you --

I don´t want to,
um, step in anybody´s way,

but my thought is,
if we could get permission

from the vehicle owner,

I could see about getting
a bay set aside

in Little Rock,
in our office,

to where our ERT says,

"This bay is for this truck.
It´s coming in."

We get it sent
to Little Rock,

and an ERT can take
all the time they want

to go through that truck

and see
if there´s any part of it

that can be exploited.

Before we -- the --
the two things we risk losing

is the truck and...
Right.

...the ex-wife is --
with the age.

Interview the wife.

Can one of us kind of tag-team
with one of y´all?

We run over there one day
and just see if she´s home.

If we could call
and either talk to her

or someone who can say
that she´ll be there that day.

The ´92 -- Is that --
Is that in y´all´s stuff?

What´s that?

The ´92 case -- is that --
Do you guys have a copy of that?

I´m -- I´m reading
some of it here.

So, there were multiple victims
in that

that the granddaughter
identified

and came out
through that process.

I don´t find where anybody
ever went back

and worked a case on them.

So, I mean, it´s --
it´s not just a one-time shot,

obviously, with him.

So here´s the question --

bouncing real quick.

Wife tells in court she leaves
every time he gets drunk

´cause she didn´t want to be
around him when he´s drunk.

She even flat-out says,
"I don´t even like him."

But she stayed with him --
she didn´t divorce him

after this guy rapes
her own granddaughter.

She filed, I think,
right after --

I want to say she filed in ´92,
right after the...

So, Grandma --
Then you tell Grandma...

Grandma sees granddaughter
whispering to him,

and she says,
"Tell me about it."

And then she calls Mom,
and Mom actually goes

to the sheriff´s office
and files a report.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

When did he get out
from the ´92 arrest?

Never went.

Yeah, he went
on parole, probation.

He didn´t do any time at all?
Dude, they gave him --

they gave him
a 10-year S.I.S.

Um, okay, so --

He -- He rapes
an 11-year-old girl

and gets
a 10-year S.I.S.

With other victims...

With other victims
that nobody picked up on.

Yeah. Yeah.

So let´s just set that
heartbreaking shit aside.

Yeah.

Um, the worst-case scenario
is we find something

and we have to cut up
part of the seat,

and we´re going to owe you
a new seat in this truck.

Yeah.
You know, that´s --

that´s really the --
all that we´re looking at there.

We´re just going to take it
from them for a while.

Push for consent first,
and if they play hardball,

then we´ll get a warrant
for it.

Okay. They´ll process
under the dash,

the whole nine yards, right?

Whatever we want to do,

we´ll put that
in a written request.

We´ll make a -- a list --

a laundry list for ERT,
´cause then...

Who´s running lead
on the truck?

Who´s going to take that?

I´ll go, uh --

I´ll make sure I get out there
no later than tomorrow evening

to talk to the family
and start getting --

getting it worked out to get
the truck in our possession.

Okay.

And once
it´s in our possession,

then we´ll come up
with everything

you want done
or we want done,

and we´ll
specifically list it,

and then
we´ll challenge our ERT

to even think of stuff
we didn´t think of.

Okay. All right.

And if it means
they take the dash apart,

if that means
they disassemble the truck,

they disassemble the truck,
and if,

and at the end of this,
we have to compensate the owner,

we compensate the owner --
we just --

That way, we -- we know
there´s nothing left to do

on this truck.
Right.

As long as we´re all
cumulatively confident

that this truck deserves
that effort,

which, at this point,
I think we´re all in agreement.

Um, yeah.
Yeah.