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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,477 --> 00:00:09,580 Good possibility it´s a red truck, 2 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:12,012 they still don´t know the make, with a white camper shell. 3 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:14,545 If we can find that truck and identify it, 4 00:00:14,545 --> 00:00:16,186 there may be evidence in that truck. 5 00:00:16,186 --> 00:00:17,447 The Alma Police Department 6 00:00:17,447 --> 00:00:19,219 making a huge announcement today. 7 00:00:19,219 --> 00:00:22,022 The chief, Jeff Pointer, took over the chief position 8 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:24,454 after Russell White retired from the position. 9 00:00:24,454 --> 00:00:27,127 I found statements that I had seen before 10 00:00:27,127 --> 00:00:28,559 at different times over the years. 11 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:30,731 Location number seven -- other witnesses, 12 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:32,563 they observed this vehicle come in. 13 00:00:32,563 --> 00:00:35,806 They felt like they observed the adult male driving the truck, 14 00:00:35,806 --> 00:00:38,108 potentially holding a child down in the front seat of the truck. 15 00:00:38,108 --> 00:00:40,511 I start digging through files, looking for more witnesses, 16 00:00:40,511 --> 00:00:42,342 more things, and I come across the photograph. 17 00:00:42,342 --> 00:00:44,474 I think, "Oh, my God, I´m looking at the truck." 18 00:00:44,474 --> 00:00:46,617 Police say this truck is a Mazda. 19 00:00:46,617 --> 00:00:48,178 Had you ever heard that? 20 00:00:48,178 --> 00:00:50,721 Um, I mean, I don´t -- I don´t remember it, no. 21 00:00:50,721 --> 00:00:54,154 We need to find this truck, and we need to find this person. 22 00:00:54,154 --> 00:00:56,056 We love her and we miss her. 23 00:00:56,056 --> 00:01:00,430 Whoever´s got her, just bring her back to us. 24 00:01:06,096 --> 00:01:07,297 She´s got her eyes closed. 25 00:01:07,297 --> 00:01:08,569 Keep them tight. Real closed. 26 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:10,501 Closed real tight. 27 00:01:13,473 --> 00:01:15,205 Okay, open your eyes. 28 00:01:15,205 --> 00:01:16,807 You kind of scratch your head and wonder -- 29 00:01:16,807 --> 00:01:19,479 it´s like, where do I live now? And what is this world? 30 00:01:19,479 --> 00:01:21,111 What is real? 31 00:01:23,383 --> 00:01:29,119 That´s for you. That´s your happy birthday present. 32 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:32,763 Didn´t you just wish that this was just a night-- 33 00:01:32,763 --> 00:01:34,424 that was just a nightmare 34 00:01:34,424 --> 00:01:36,697 and this was the better place to be? 35 00:01:36,697 --> 00:01:39,269 This is a world that was real. 36 00:01:39,269 --> 00:01:40,671 You know what? 37 00:01:40,671 --> 00:01:43,273 He´s been sleeping in our bedroom all night. 38 00:01:43,273 --> 00:01:45,335 That´s when Mama made you hurry up and get out of there 39 00:01:45,335 --> 00:01:47,708 while company came in. 40 00:01:47,708 --> 00:01:49,710 Last night, when you came in our bedroom. 41 00:01:52,312 --> 00:01:54,284 Last night? 42 00:01:54,284 --> 00:01:55,716 I didn´t even see it. 43 00:01:55,716 --> 00:01:59,790 I know. I made you leave fast before it could holler. 44 00:02:01,652 --> 00:02:07,598 I didn´t know enough about Morgan, but we connected. 45 00:02:07,598 --> 00:02:10,561 And I think that that´s been the sort of magic. 46 00:02:10,561 --> 00:02:14,464 It´s like, you´d tell me something, 47 00:02:14,464 --> 00:02:18,909 and I could just know exactly your feelings. 48 00:02:18,909 --> 00:02:21,572 And it was -- it was the same. 49 00:02:23,914 --> 00:02:27,848 Hey, he put his little nose on me. 50 00:02:27,848 --> 00:02:30,150 In the video camera, I can´t tell where his nose is 51 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:32,683 and I where his eyes are. He´s shaking, Mommy. 52 00:02:32,683 --> 00:02:35,556 He´s scared. He doesn´t know you. 53 00:03:00,911 --> 00:03:02,613 The first time I called you, 54 00:03:02,613 --> 00:03:07,457 I had -- I saw a magazine article, 55 00:03:07,457 --> 00:03:11,562 and it had the phone number for your foundation, 56 00:03:11,562 --> 00:03:12,793 and it was late. 57 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:13,964 It was 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. 58 00:03:13,964 --> 00:03:17,768 And I called and got a voicemail. 59 00:03:17,768 --> 00:03:21,201 Your executive director ended up calling me back, 60 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:23,303 and I just wanted -- I just wanted to talk to you. 61 00:03:23,303 --> 00:03:25,305 Didn´t know you. Had never met you. 62 00:03:25,305 --> 00:03:27,638 And he said he would make that happen. 63 00:03:27,638 --> 00:03:29,640 And you called me the next day. 64 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:30,641 Yeah. 65 00:03:35,946 --> 00:03:41,391 It was such an unbelievable story 66 00:03:41,391 --> 00:03:44,925 that you were telling me that I hadn´t really known. 67 00:03:44,925 --> 00:03:46,727 I mean, back then, 68 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:50,601 it wasn´t like news was immediate and so current. 69 00:03:50,601 --> 00:03:55,606 You know, we knew cases in our neck of the woods 70 00:03:55,606 --> 00:03:57,808 and you knew your neck of the woods. 71 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:00,470 You know, that´s one of the things we always talk 72 00:04:00,470 --> 00:04:01,972 to law enforcement about 73 00:04:01,972 --> 00:04:04,545 is that families are very isolated when children are taken 74 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:06,917 because there´s no one in your neighborhood 75 00:04:06,917 --> 00:04:09,680 or no one in your circle and no one in your community 76 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,524 that you can go to for help and intervention 77 00:04:13,524 --> 00:04:15,726 and trying to figure out how to do this. 78 00:04:15,726 --> 00:04:17,327 It´s like, just to sit down with somebody 79 00:04:17,327 --> 00:04:19,960 who at least one part of their life is shared. 80 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,431 Right. 81 00:04:21,431 --> 00:04:22,993 All of the surrounding circumstances 82 00:04:22,993 --> 00:04:26,597 might be different, but there´s this one common factor 83 00:04:26,597 --> 00:04:28,839 that is so horrific, you can´t imagine it. 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,002 And, you know, with any other crime, 85 00:04:32,002 --> 00:04:35,676 people don´t try and put themselves in your place. 86 00:04:35,676 --> 00:04:38,278 But a lot of times, you have a missing child, 87 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:39,950 and people would say, 88 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:41,982 "Well, I know if it were me, I´d be angry. 89 00:04:41,982 --> 00:04:43,954 I´d want to do this, I´d want to do that." 90 00:04:43,954 --> 00:04:46,587 And it´s like -- they never get it quite right 91 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:49,289 because you can´t. No one can know. 92 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,962 You know, people care so much. They want to. 93 00:04:51,962 --> 00:04:53,964 Right, and they want to think that they´d be brave 94 00:04:53,964 --> 00:04:55,496 and they want to think this. 95 00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:59,900 But you can´t know. You can´t know. 96 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,473 I think time is kind of a mystery while you´re searching 97 00:05:03,473 --> 00:05:05,335 because it doesn´t mean anything. 98 00:05:05,335 --> 00:05:09,510 You know, you go to school for, like, kindergarten 99 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:13,443 to like 12 years of school. 100 00:05:13,443 --> 00:05:18,689 You buy a car over six years, you buy a home over 30 years. 101 00:05:18,689 --> 00:05:20,991 You know, it´s like, how long do you do this? 102 00:05:20,991 --> 00:05:22,923 You know, there was no parameter. 103 00:05:22,923 --> 00:05:24,454 There were no parameters. 104 00:05:24,454 --> 00:05:28,428 And I was always amazed 105 00:05:28,428 --> 00:05:31,431 when it would be, like, fifth-year anniversary or something. 106 00:05:31,431 --> 00:05:34,434 It´s like, "How?" It can´t be, you know. 107 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:39,339 And I just got confused by time because how long? 108 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,471 How long till we´re done? 109 00:05:41,471 --> 00:05:42,973 So I remember one time we were together 110 00:05:42,973 --> 00:05:47,878 and somebody asked you, like, "But when is enough enough?" 111 00:05:47,878 --> 00:05:49,850 Yeah. 112 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:52,052 And people really don´t understand 113 00:05:52,052 --> 00:05:57,027 how you can keep -- just keep relentlessly fighting, 114 00:05:57,027 --> 00:05:59,630 but Morgan is worth fighting for. 115 00:05:59,630 --> 00:06:01,862 And you make the rest of the world 116 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:04,935 know why they need to care. 117 00:06:04,935 --> 00:06:08,138 Kids are found because people don´t forget 118 00:06:08,138 --> 00:06:13,504 and somebody sometime feels safe enough to tell 119 00:06:13,504 --> 00:06:19,510 or they can no longer live with what they know 120 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:24,655 and they didn´t want to tell or something changes 121 00:06:24,655 --> 00:06:29,389 or it´s just time and they are ready. 122 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,161 But that really is almost a key -- 123 00:06:31,161 --> 00:06:34,925 almost always a key ingredient, is keeping the case alive -- 124 00:06:34,925 --> 00:06:38,599 keeping hope alive and keeping Morgan alive, 125 00:06:38,599 --> 00:06:43,133 keeping Jacob alive, keeping all these kids who are out there. 126 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:45,105 They just don´t vanish into thin air. 127 00:06:45,105 --> 00:06:48,138 They do go somewhere, 128 00:06:48,138 --> 00:06:52,082 and someone took our kids. 129 00:06:58,719 --> 00:07:00,150 Jerry took Jacob fishing 130 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,953 because it was the end of the season. 131 00:07:02,953 --> 00:07:05,896 I took Trevor and bought shoes, and we came back 132 00:07:05,896 --> 00:07:07,758 and watched the Minnesota Vikings play. 133 00:07:07,758 --> 00:07:10,861 And then they begged to go to the ice arena 134 00:07:10,861 --> 00:07:13,634 and just have one more skate before tryouts. 135 00:07:13,634 --> 00:07:19,540 And so they did that, and they came back. 136 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:21,111 And I had chaired an art festival, 137 00:07:21,111 --> 00:07:23,514 and we were having a kind of a revisit -- 138 00:07:23,514 --> 00:07:25,175 how did it go? What worked, what didn´t? 139 00:07:25,175 --> 00:07:28,148 And we asked Jacob if he minded babysitting. 140 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,981 Our oldest daughter, Amy, was staying at a friend´s house. 141 00:07:30,981 --> 00:07:34,454 It was Sunday night, but they didn´t have school the next day. 142 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:39,459 And Jacob was in sixth grade -- 11 if I add, you know, do-overs. 143 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:42,563 It sounds so young, but he was nearly 12 in sixth grade, 144 00:07:42,563 --> 00:07:45,496 and we weren´t going to be gone long, 145 00:07:45,496 --> 00:07:47,598 and we asked if he minded babysitting. 146 00:07:47,598 --> 00:07:49,469 He said, "Sure, can Aaron come over?" 147 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,843 So now we´d have two sixth-grade boys. 148 00:07:52,843 --> 00:07:55,145 So we ordered a pizza. 149 00:07:55,145 --> 00:07:57,477 We left. We got to our friend´s house 150 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,650 and then called home to give the boys -- 151 00:07:59,650 --> 00:08:01,582 the kids the phone number. 152 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:06,587 And shortly after they called and said, "We´re bored. 153 00:08:06,587 --> 00:08:08,889 Can we ride our bikes to the store and rent a video?" 154 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:11,161 This is pre-Netflix, right? 155 00:08:11,161 --> 00:08:13,624 So our house to the store is a mile, 156 00:08:13,624 --> 00:08:14,965 and I had answered the phone, 157 00:08:14,965 --> 00:08:16,727 and I said, "No, find something to do." 158 00:08:16,727 --> 00:08:18,629 It was starting to get dark. 159 00:08:18,629 --> 00:08:21,231 And Trevor said, "Well, let me talk to Dad." 160 00:08:21,231 --> 00:08:23,504 So, you know, you hand over the -- 161 00:08:23,504 --> 00:08:25,806 "Your son would like to speak with you." 162 00:08:25,806 --> 00:08:27,878 And Jerry answered the -- 163 00:08:27,878 --> 00:08:29,710 you know, picked up and it´s like, 164 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:32,082 "Look, Dad, we got a white sweatshirt on Aaron, 165 00:08:32,082 --> 00:08:34,044 Jacob´s wearing your jogging vest. 166 00:08:34,044 --> 00:08:36,046 I got the flashlight. We´ll go straight to the store 167 00:08:36,046 --> 00:08:38,248 and come straight back. Is it okay?" 168 00:08:38,248 --> 00:08:41,952 And he said, "Yeah, it should be okay." 169 00:08:41,952 --> 00:08:44,655 Really, his concern was traffic. 170 00:08:44,655 --> 00:08:47,057 It´s a country road and there´s not a lot of traffic, 171 00:08:47,057 --> 00:08:49,960 but the cars that do go go fast. 172 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:56,937 They went to the store. They got a video. 173 00:08:56,937 --> 00:08:59,910 They got, ironically, The Naked Gun. 174 00:08:59,910 --> 00:09:01,271 They got some candy. 175 00:09:01,271 --> 00:09:03,644 And they were -- they were coming back. 176 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:06,116 It was now dark. It was just after 9:00. 177 00:09:06,116 --> 00:09:09,950 And two of them were on bikes, 178 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:12,623 but Aaron was on one of those foot scooters 179 00:09:12,623 --> 00:09:14,955 that you just push. So they were going slowly, 180 00:09:14,955 --> 00:09:17,157 and all of a sudden, they looked up 181 00:09:17,157 --> 00:09:21,692 and there was a man standing in the road with a gun. 182 00:09:21,692 --> 00:09:23,564 Trevor the flashlight -- he was first -- 183 00:09:23,564 --> 00:09:25,796 and they all saw the gun. 184 00:09:25,796 --> 00:09:31,171 And he told them to put out the flashlight, 185 00:09:31,171 --> 00:09:33,874 get off their bikes, and lie down in the ditch. 186 00:09:33,874 --> 00:09:38,709 And Trevor said it was like some kind of a sick joke, 187 00:09:38,709 --> 00:09:42,012 but they did as they were told. 188 00:09:42,012 --> 00:09:43,984 And then he asked their ages, 189 00:09:43,984 --> 00:09:48,258 which was, um...confusing. 190 00:09:48,258 --> 00:09:51,361 Trevor was 10, Aaron 11, Jacob 11. 191 00:09:51,361 --> 00:09:54,264 He told Trevor to run into the woods as fast as he could, 192 00:09:54,264 --> 00:09:55,926 or he would shoot. 193 00:09:55,926 --> 00:09:58,368 And Trevor took off. 194 00:09:58,368 --> 00:10:01,231 He said the same words to Aaron. 195 00:10:01,231 --> 00:10:02,933 First he looked at Aaron´s face. 196 00:10:02,933 --> 00:10:05,235 I think that´s where the selection was made. 197 00:10:05,235 --> 00:10:07,277 I-I´m not sure. But he looked -- 198 00:10:07,277 --> 00:10:09,640 He told Aaron to run into the woods. 199 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,182 Exact same words, "As fast as you can or I´ll shoot." 200 00:10:12,182 --> 00:10:15,145 And when they really thought -- 201 00:10:15,145 --> 00:10:17,247 Trevor really thought this was a prank 202 00:10:17,247 --> 00:10:19,119 and that he was going to let everybody go. 203 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:22,152 But when Aaron caught up to -- he saw the man grab 204 00:10:22,152 --> 00:10:24,094 Jacob´s shoulder when he left, 205 00:10:24,094 --> 00:10:26,957 and when he caught up to Trevor and they felt safe enough 206 00:10:26,957 --> 00:10:30,060 to turn around and look back, they were gone. 207 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:32,032 They were just gone. There was no car there. 208 00:10:32,032 --> 00:10:33,864 They didn´t hear a car engine start. 209 00:10:33,864 --> 00:10:36,707 They didn´t hear a car door slam. 210 00:10:36,707 --> 00:10:39,209 They never saw a car. They were just gone. 211 00:10:39,209 --> 00:10:42,412 So they ran. It was like a half a mile from our home. 212 00:10:42,412 --> 00:10:43,914 They ran across a field 213 00:10:43,914 --> 00:10:45,916 and went screaming into the house next door 214 00:10:45,916 --> 00:10:50,320 to tell the babysitter that to call 911, 215 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,322 somebody took Jacob. 216 00:10:52,322 --> 00:10:53,954 The search for 11-year-old Jacob 217 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:56,186 is pressing on in high gear, 218 00:10:56,186 --> 00:10:59,429 even though no one has found any real sign of the boy. 219 00:10:59,429 --> 00:11:03,263 An army of volunteers continues to search roadsides and fields, 220 00:11:03,263 --> 00:11:06,066 and more than 250 National Guardsmen 221 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:08,699 and Department of Natural Resources workers 222 00:11:08,699 --> 00:11:11,141 are scouring forests and swamps. 223 00:11:11,141 --> 00:11:13,073 In the meantime, this town tries 224 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:15,676 to keep the story of Jacob in the news, 225 00:11:15,676 --> 00:11:18,909 putting up reminders of the 11-year-old boy everywhere. 226 00:11:18,909 --> 00:11:20,280 There´s absolutely nothing we can do, 227 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,812 and it´s a total helpless feeling. 228 00:11:21,812 --> 00:11:24,354 The only thing we can do is to keep everybody 229 00:11:24,354 --> 00:11:26,086 looking and helping. 230 00:11:26,086 --> 00:11:29,189 It´s like, we don´t -- we want you here. 231 00:11:37,227 --> 00:11:40,270 People say all kinds of things and it´s like, 232 00:11:40,270 --> 00:11:42,773 got to prepare for the worst-case scenario 233 00:11:42,773 --> 00:11:44,975 or something silly like that. How can you prepare for that? 234 00:11:44,975 --> 00:11:49,810 You can´t prepare for that. It may happen, but you don´t -- 235 00:11:49,810 --> 00:11:52,983 There´s no readiness for it. 236 00:11:52,983 --> 00:11:54,715 A reporter said to me one time, he said, 237 00:11:54,715 --> 00:11:57,117 "Hypothetically, what if Morgan doesn´t come home? 238 00:11:57,117 --> 00:12:00,090 What will you do?" It was a very serious question. 239 00:12:00,090 --> 00:12:01,351 And I remember looking at him thinking, 240 00:12:01,351 --> 00:12:03,724 "What if Morgan doesn´t come home?" 241 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:06,997 I´ve literally never thought about that. 242 00:12:06,997 --> 00:12:09,229 And I still don´t give any energy to that 243 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:13,303 because my my response is, "What if she´s out there? 244 00:12:13,303 --> 00:12:16,006 What if she somehow survived? Yeah. 245 00:12:16,006 --> 00:12:19,309 You know, what if we find her?" 246 00:12:19,309 --> 00:12:22,873 It´s just so much for people to comprehend 247 00:12:22,873 --> 00:12:24,845 that you can keep fighting for years and years 248 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:27,948 and years without an answer, but it´s what we do. 249 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:29,780 We´re moms. Yeah. 250 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:32,052 The first people I met that got it was -- 251 00:12:32,052 --> 00:12:37,187 they were vets and they were honoring -- 252 00:12:37,187 --> 00:12:38,929 it was Veterans Day, 253 00:12:38,929 --> 00:12:42,763 and they were honoring all of the missing in action. 254 00:12:42,763 --> 00:12:45,135 And they had these black balloons that they released 255 00:12:45,135 --> 00:12:46,537 for all of the missing in action. 256 00:12:46,537 --> 00:12:48,999 And they had one white one for Jacob. 257 00:12:48,999 --> 00:12:50,941 And they just said, "The way we see it, 258 00:12:50,941 --> 00:12:52,172 he´s missing in action." 259 00:12:52,172 --> 00:12:54,905 And I´m like, "Oh, you guys get it." 260 00:12:54,905 --> 00:12:57,548 You don´t quit because it´s been a while. 261 00:12:57,548 --> 00:12:59,810 You just -- they knew. They understood the hope 262 00:12:59,810 --> 00:13:02,412 that you and I get, that I had never met 263 00:13:02,412 --> 00:13:04,885 anybody like that. I loved that. 264 00:13:04,885 --> 00:13:06,987 That´s awesome. I´ve never heard that. 265 00:13:06,987 --> 00:13:11,061 Yeah, it was. They were really good to us. 266 00:13:17,467 --> 00:13:18,929 There were people in this case 267 00:13:18,929 --> 00:13:21,401 that they had put focus on at times, 268 00:13:21,401 --> 00:13:26,176 and based on that, you will see information 269 00:13:26,176 --> 00:13:28,478 on those people in the future. 270 00:13:28,478 --> 00:13:31,481 I really don´t want to sit here and name them off. 271 00:13:31,481 --> 00:13:34,314 I really don´t want to give them any time. 272 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,517 I don´t. Just know that when you look at those, 273 00:13:36,517 --> 00:13:38,288 some of those -- basically what this is, 274 00:13:38,288 --> 00:13:40,120 is when you get people that are bad people 275 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,153 and you know they´re bad people, they´ve got a history of this, 276 00:13:43,153 --> 00:13:44,454 they become a person of interest for you, 277 00:13:44,454 --> 00:13:46,527 especially if they´re from this area. 278 00:13:46,527 --> 00:13:48,258 One of those people -- I´ll throw the name 279 00:13:48,258 --> 00:13:49,259 because you probably already know it -- 280 00:13:49,259 --> 00:13:52,563 Charlie Vines. Okay? 281 00:13:52,563 --> 00:13:57,467 Charlie Vines was a mad man that lived in Syria. 282 00:13:57,467 --> 00:14:02,012 And we know that he did a lot of bad things. 283 00:14:02,012 --> 00:14:04,244 I look at Charlie Vines and I know Charlie´s operating 284 00:14:04,244 --> 00:14:08,018 in this area at the time that Morgan´s abducted. 285 00:14:08,018 --> 00:14:11,481 I would not be doing my job if I did not look 286 00:14:11,481 --> 00:14:13,123 at Charlie Vines. 287 00:14:18,428 --> 00:14:20,961 The case of Juanita Wofford is now over. 288 00:14:20,961 --> 00:14:24,264 Charles Vines admitted before a judge he is guilty of beating 289 00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:27,367 and stabbing the woman to death in 1993. 290 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,100 When we come across people that have been arrested 291 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:33,073 post-Morgan in this area for attempted abductions, 292 00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:35,205 then, yes, we are going to be climbing 293 00:14:35,205 --> 00:14:37,147 right in the middle of them. 294 00:14:37,147 --> 00:14:39,279 The agreement was this -- police would ask Vines questions 295 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,652 about unsolved cases, including Melissa Witt, 296 00:14:41,652 --> 00:14:45,556 Morgan Nick, Lori Murchison, Dora Do, and Juanita Wofford. 297 00:14:45,556 --> 00:14:48,488 Vines tells the truth, he gets to live. 298 00:14:48,488 --> 00:14:51,562 We don´t believe that we have everything 299 00:14:51,562 --> 00:14:53,063 that this person did. 300 00:14:53,063 --> 00:14:54,464 We believe that there´s more out there 301 00:14:54,464 --> 00:14:56,527 in that particular circumstance. 302 00:14:56,527 --> 00:14:59,429 It was just a knowledge that this person is here, 303 00:14:59,429 --> 00:15:03,373 operating at June the 9th of ´95. 304 00:15:03,373 --> 00:15:06,977 We know that this person was doing that 305 00:15:06,977 --> 00:15:08,438 in this area at that time. 306 00:15:08,438 --> 00:15:12,442 This person´s victims ranged from 14 years old to 93. 307 00:15:12,442 --> 00:15:16,316 You can´t rule out that this person didn´t go to six. 308 00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,388 You have to look. I just started gathering 309 00:15:18,388 --> 00:15:20,591 as much information as I could on this person, 310 00:15:20,591 --> 00:15:22,452 and I actually started mapping it. 311 00:15:22,452 --> 00:15:25,225 The first thing I did is obtained his addresses, 312 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:28,599 family addresses, where I knew that he had lived previously. 313 00:15:28,599 --> 00:15:33,604 And then the next thing I do is I take known victims 314 00:15:33,604 --> 00:15:37,467 and start plugging those in so that I´m physically looking at, 315 00:15:37,467 --> 00:15:39,640 okay, this is where he´s living and this is the proximity 316 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,543 of his victims in that location. 317 00:15:42,543 --> 00:15:45,516 And then go a step further and start digging 318 00:15:45,516 --> 00:15:48,579 and try to find out, okay, who else is missing? 319 00:15:48,579 --> 00:15:53,283 From back in the ´80s to this timeframe when he went to jail, 320 00:15:53,283 --> 00:15:55,155 who else is missing in these areas? 321 00:15:55,155 --> 00:15:58,428 What I saw when I looked at that was very concerning to me. 322 00:15:58,428 --> 00:16:00,631 Basically, the green pegs that you´re looking at 323 00:16:00,631 --> 00:16:03,634 and the green writing are locations 324 00:16:03,634 --> 00:16:07,498 that Charlie Vines was known to live. 325 00:16:07,498 --> 00:16:12,372 And then what you´re looking at in red are actually his victims. 326 00:16:12,372 --> 00:16:14,444 You know, close proximity to his house, uh, 327 00:16:14,444 --> 00:16:19,179 was also, uh, a rape and murder of another elderly female. 328 00:16:19,179 --> 00:16:22,112 With Mr. Vines, you´re potentially looking 329 00:16:22,112 --> 00:16:23,483 at a serial killer. 330 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,415 When you have a crime this close to home, 331 00:16:25,415 --> 00:16:27,718 is you´d be very foolish not to look 332 00:16:27,718 --> 00:16:30,090 at what´s in your own backyard at that time. 333 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:34,124 And at the time of Morgan´s abduction, he was active. 334 00:16:34,124 --> 00:16:36,697 Uh, didn´t get caught until about six years, I believe -- 335 00:16:36,697 --> 00:16:39,169 five or six years after her abduction. 336 00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:43,303 Through this area, many other things that have occurred, 337 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:46,677 it gives us a very strong reason to go in and take a look at him. 338 00:16:52,112 --> 00:16:54,184 When it´s been work for so many years, 339 00:16:54,184 --> 00:16:58,418 first of all, that´s a sign that it´s going to be a tough case. 340 00:17:02,392 --> 00:17:04,324 What can I find that maybe someone else didn´t find? 341 00:17:04,324 --> 00:17:09,029 What´s a perspective I can add to this 342 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:10,631 that -- that maybe helps? 343 00:17:10,631 --> 00:17:12,703 Charlie Vines had attempted 344 00:17:12,703 --> 00:17:16,567 to murder a girl out here in Crawford County, 345 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:18,709 and he got caught in the act. 346 00:17:18,709 --> 00:17:20,811 And when they identified him 347 00:17:20,811 --> 00:17:25,315 in that, his DNA matched up with some other murders in this area, 348 00:17:25,315 --> 00:17:27,417 so he started being looked at as a suspect 349 00:17:27,417 --> 00:17:30,581 for the Morgan Nick case. 350 00:17:30,581 --> 00:17:33,323 You know, the thing with a person 351 00:17:33,323 --> 00:17:34,785 who would harm a child, to me, 352 00:17:34,785 --> 00:17:36,827 something that -- it takes a darker, 353 00:17:36,827 --> 00:17:38,529 more sinister type of person. 354 00:17:38,529 --> 00:17:42,462 So I get a much larger gratification of building a case 355 00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:45,696 and putting someone away that does this type of crime. 356 00:17:45,696 --> 00:17:50,400 Charlie Ray Vines was a guy who lived in Crawford County. 357 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,676 He had a period of victimization through Crawford County. 358 00:17:55,676 --> 00:17:58,749 Looking at him saying, okay, he has a predisposition 359 00:17:58,749 --> 00:18:03,213 to harm another person, to murder, take life. 360 00:18:03,213 --> 00:18:05,586 When you look at that and he´s within close proximity 361 00:18:05,586 --> 00:18:08,559 to, you know, the Morgan Nick abduction, 362 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:12,362 so that brought us to doing a kind of a deep-dive 363 00:18:12,362 --> 00:18:14,865 investigative look at his life. 364 00:18:27,678 --> 00:18:30,340 I got you over there right quick. 365 00:18:38,819 --> 00:18:40,250 He´s a known killer. 366 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:41,852 We know that he has killed people. 367 00:18:41,852 --> 00:18:44,595 He´s been convicted of it. He was doing life in prison. 368 00:18:44,595 --> 00:18:46,557 You know, he is not just a murderer, 369 00:18:46,557 --> 00:18:48,659 he´s a rapist. That´s been proven. 370 00:18:48,659 --> 00:18:51,161 You are looking at somebody that has some serious issues 371 00:18:51,161 --> 00:18:54,505 going on -- some very serious issues going on, 372 00:18:54,505 --> 00:18:56,907 and that is operating right here in your backyard. 373 00:18:56,907 --> 00:18:58,739 You can´t turn your head to that. 374 00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,271 Yeah. 375 00:19:07,678 --> 00:19:08,879 Charles, uh... 376 00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,728 And, uh... And, uh... 377 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:25,536 You know, the things that we know in this case -- 378 00:19:25,536 --> 00:19:27,267 did he have access to the vehicle 379 00:19:27,267 --> 00:19:29,439 we´re looking for on that night? 380 00:19:29,439 --> 00:19:32,342 Did he have the ability to be here that night? 381 00:19:32,342 --> 00:19:34,244 You run through every one of those 382 00:19:34,244 --> 00:19:36,877 and you run out every potential lead you can run out in them. 383 00:19:36,877 --> 00:19:41,251 We did receive a lead, based off of prison information, 384 00:19:41,251 --> 00:19:44,655 that Charlie Vines had confessed to this crime. 385 00:19:44,655 --> 00:19:47,357 Charlie Vines had admitted to telling -- 386 00:19:47,357 --> 00:19:49,319 he admitted to someone else 387 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:52,593 that he had actually done the Morgan Nick abduction. 388 00:19:52,593 --> 00:19:56,527 It was obviously third- and fourth-generation information. 389 00:19:56,527 --> 00:19:58,228 Someone told someone who told someone, 390 00:19:58,228 --> 00:19:59,830 but it was never followed up on. 391 00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:01,532 And so it was like, when you talk to the person, you´re like, 392 00:20:01,532 --> 00:20:03,303 "Okay, that´s interesting. 393 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:06,276 A lot of things get said in prison, and, you know, 394 00:20:06,276 --> 00:20:09,910 you go to the validity and the credibility of the person 395 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:12,683 passing this information to you, as well as whether or not 396 00:20:12,683 --> 00:20:14,515 this is somebody trying to take credit 397 00:20:14,515 --> 00:20:16,617 for a crime they didn´t do. You have to look at all of it. 398 00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:20,490 That person gave us enough -- was close enough 399 00:20:20,490 --> 00:20:22,653 to give us accurate information 400 00:20:22,653 --> 00:20:24,655 that made us really focus on Vines 401 00:20:24,655 --> 00:20:28,428 for multiple murders. 402 00:20:34,004 --> 00:20:35,736 I mean... 403 00:21:05,295 --> 00:21:08,739 When we identified him as someone we really wanted 404 00:21:08,739 --> 00:21:14,645 to eliminate or, you know, work further on, 405 00:21:14,645 --> 00:21:16,677 the best thing to do is just try and go talk to someone. 406 00:21:16,677 --> 00:21:19,710 They were going to go interview him, 407 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:22,653 and I get a call from them one day that says, 408 00:21:22,653 --> 00:21:26,456 "Hey, we can´t interview him." 409 00:21:30,921 --> 00:21:33,293 I said, "What do you mean, you can´t interview him?" 410 00:21:33,293 --> 00:21:35,465 And they said, "Well, he´s got cancer." 411 00:21:35,465 --> 00:21:38,769 By the time we had started making arrangements 412 00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:41,772 and figuring out where he´s at, he was in a prison, 413 00:21:41,772 --> 00:21:43,433 he was already terminally ill. 414 00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:46,406 And he was basically in a comatose-type state, 415 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,438 to where they didn´t believe that he had 416 00:21:48,438 --> 00:21:51,742 more than a week to live. They were calling family in. 417 00:21:51,742 --> 00:21:53,413 And he died. 418 00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:56,587 And so he passed just basically weeks 419 00:21:56,587 --> 00:21:58,619 before we were able to go talk to him. 420 00:21:58,619 --> 00:22:00,020 Not that it would have done any good, 421 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:01,992 because my experience with people in prison 422 00:22:01,992 --> 00:22:05,956 is they´ll talk to you, but it´s going to take days 423 00:22:05,956 --> 00:22:07,998 and hours of of going through what they tell you 424 00:22:07,998 --> 00:22:10,330 to figure out what´s bullshit and what´s truth, 425 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:12,863 because that´s just the way they are. 426 00:22:12,863 --> 00:22:14,965 And so we would have expected that, 427 00:22:14,965 --> 00:22:18,639 but it still would have been nice to have at least 428 00:22:18,639 --> 00:22:21,471 approached him and see the reaction. 429 00:22:21,471 --> 00:22:24,044 So in some respects, it makes it tougher for us. 430 00:22:24,044 --> 00:22:26,717 In some respects, it could actually potentially help us 431 00:22:26,717 --> 00:22:29,680 within the case, because people may feel 432 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,552 more free to come forward with information 433 00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:34,625 and help us more in this lead now, 434 00:22:34,625 --> 00:22:36,386 because he´s no longer alive, 435 00:22:36,386 --> 00:22:39,489 he´s no longer a threat that they would deem from him. 436 00:22:39,489 --> 00:22:43,834 I know for a fact that he had a red truck with a white camper 437 00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:45,696 because I used to drive by it. 438 00:22:45,696 --> 00:22:48,038 I know for a fact he owned one. Where he lived at the time, 439 00:22:48,038 --> 00:22:51,441 I was very familiar with, used to patrol all the time. 440 00:22:51,441 --> 00:22:53,073 Here´s where the problem runs into on this, 441 00:22:53,073 --> 00:22:54,605 is actually timeline. 442 00:22:54,605 --> 00:22:57,878 Going back and being able to look at this, 443 00:22:57,878 --> 00:23:00,811 we´ve received information that he had access to a red truck 444 00:23:00,811 --> 00:23:02,152 with a white camper at that time. 445 00:23:02,152 --> 00:23:04,785 Being able to look at a registration and go, 446 00:23:04,785 --> 00:23:07,387 "He had this red truck with this white camper 447 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:09,920 registered to him at the date of this abduction," 448 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,792 we´ve not been able to do. 449 00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:18,529 Vines had admitted to more than four murders -- 450 00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:19,930 well more than four murders -- 451 00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:23,403 and that he had also communicated 452 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:26,937 that the best way to hide a body is under rocks and concrete. 453 00:23:26,937 --> 00:23:29,179 And so that that causes you to say, "Well, okay, 454 00:23:29,179 --> 00:23:32,112 let´s just dig further into that. What does that mean?" 455 00:24:02,012 --> 00:24:04,214 What if she did AncestryDNA? 456 00:24:04,214 --> 00:24:07,117 What if she did? I don´t know. 457 00:24:10,851 --> 00:24:13,724 But what if her, you know, DNA is out there 458 00:24:13,724 --> 00:24:19,159 and we could get a match if I did mine? 459 00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:21,732 And it seems like a really... 460 00:24:24,094 --> 00:24:26,096 ...a very unlikely scenario. 461 00:24:26,096 --> 00:24:27,868 It seems very unlikely. 462 00:24:27,868 --> 00:24:29,239 But I´ve watched friends of mine 463 00:24:29,239 --> 00:24:33,103 who were adopted at birth do their AncestryDNA 464 00:24:33,103 --> 00:24:35,776 and have found their biological parents 465 00:24:35,776 --> 00:24:37,207 and found brothers and sisters. 466 00:24:37,207 --> 00:24:38,909 And I know this is a little bit different, 467 00:24:38,909 --> 00:24:43,714 but if the DNA is in the system, and then it´ll match. 468 00:24:43,714 --> 00:24:47,718 And so -- And I´ve really spent two years thinking about it 469 00:24:47,718 --> 00:24:53,493 because it does seem pretty far-fetched that it might work. 470 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:56,166 And I´m, um... 471 00:25:03,774 --> 00:25:06,837 So I hate to do it and have it not work. 472 00:25:08,779 --> 00:25:13,644 I try something else one more time and have it not work. 473 00:25:13,644 --> 00:25:18,188 But, you know, I want to do everything in my power 474 00:25:18,188 --> 00:25:20,651 and I don´t want to pass up an opportunity, just in case. 475 00:25:20,651 --> 00:25:25,155 Even if it´s the tiniest percentage that it might work, 476 00:25:25,155 --> 00:25:27,057 I want to do this. And so I talked 477 00:25:27,057 --> 00:25:29,229 to our investigative team and asked them 478 00:25:29,229 --> 00:25:31,732 what they thought about it, and they just kind of looked at me 479 00:25:31,732 --> 00:25:34,134 and said, "Why didn´t we do this a long time ago?" 480 00:25:34,134 --> 00:25:35,866 So they´re very much on board. 481 00:25:35,866 --> 00:25:37,938 Um, you know, in my heart, 482 00:25:37,938 --> 00:25:40,941 I don´t actually expect that we´ll get a match. 483 00:25:40,941 --> 00:25:44,074 I don´t, but I have to try. 484 00:25:47,878 --> 00:25:50,050 Right this way. 485 00:26:02,062 --> 00:26:04,695 We started interviewing neighbors, 486 00:26:04,695 --> 00:26:06,066 people who knew him back in the day, 487 00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:08,038 people who lived in that area back in the day. 488 00:26:08,038 --> 00:26:11,842 And some of the stuff that came up was one neighbor spotted 489 00:26:11,842 --> 00:26:13,273 him on the hill across from his property. 490 00:26:13,273 --> 00:26:15,045 There´s a radio tower on that hill. 491 00:26:15,045 --> 00:26:16,306 It would be a shot in the dark for us 492 00:26:16,306 --> 00:26:17,848 to just walk up in there and poke around, 493 00:26:17,848 --> 00:26:20,681 but, you know, the hope is that maybe this tool 494 00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:24,054 can get us some furtherance or at least help us, you know, 495 00:26:24,054 --> 00:26:27,117 put to bed some of the suspicion of that area. 496 00:26:27,117 --> 00:26:29,189 I do historical work with her. 497 00:26:29,189 --> 00:26:33,664 So the oldest that we´ve found is 2,500 years. 498 00:26:33,664 --> 00:26:35,866 Jeez. So... 499 00:26:35,866 --> 00:26:38,599 She worked some historic sites 500 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,131 out in west Texas, out south of Odessa. 501 00:26:41,131 --> 00:26:43,173 A team had been identified out of Texas 502 00:26:43,173 --> 00:26:47,237 that was willing to come up and use their dogs. 503 00:26:47,237 --> 00:26:50,140 I know they had a dog that was supposed to do -- 504 00:26:50,140 --> 00:26:53,644 supposed to be able to detect older remains 505 00:26:53,644 --> 00:26:56,887 and a dog that was supposed to detect newer remains to see 506 00:26:56,887 --> 00:27:01,992 if that would help us narrow our area up on the hill. 507 00:27:01,992 --> 00:27:04,024 Those teams were brought in. 508 00:27:05,926 --> 00:27:10,000 I have never used canines before in this type of a situation, 509 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,032 but trying to have a scientific approach, 510 00:27:12,032 --> 00:27:14,134 we had information that this was the area he liked to be, 511 00:27:14,134 --> 00:27:16,166 so we wanted to have the dogs work that area, 512 00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:18,308 but also want them to work other parts of the hill. 513 00:27:18,308 --> 00:27:20,240 So here was his property back in the day. 514 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,675 It´s kind of a triangle, and we´ve gone through a lot of it, 515 00:27:24,675 --> 00:27:28,078 but what we noticed when we surveyed it a couple of times, 516 00:27:28,078 --> 00:27:30,050 just basically walking through it, 517 00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,122 but when we were actually digging on spots, 518 00:27:32,122 --> 00:27:33,353 as we would walk around, we would find 519 00:27:33,353 --> 00:27:35,025 more suspicious spots. 520 00:27:35,025 --> 00:27:39,730 So the hope is that the dogs can do some work around here 521 00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:42,192 and, you know, help us cover that area 522 00:27:42,192 --> 00:27:44,064 where we can´t get to. 523 00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:45,796 When you´re dealing with scent, 524 00:27:45,796 --> 00:27:49,800 the theory is scent rises on mountains in the mornings 525 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,341 and it falls in the evenings. 526 00:27:51,341 --> 00:27:53,674 So if we´re starting out up top 527 00:27:53,674 --> 00:27:56,246 and there´s scent coming up from something, 528 00:27:56,246 --> 00:27:58,679 then they´ll pick it up and work to it. 529 00:28:05,215 --> 00:28:08,789 You ready? Okay. Send her. 530 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:10,290 Come on. Get it. 531 00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:12,963 So she just gave her a search command. 532 00:28:12,963 --> 00:28:15,265 She´s giving her trained final response. 533 00:28:15,265 --> 00:28:18,098 She knows it´s right over in that area. Now she had it. 534 00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:21,171 So then she put her nose on it. 535 00:28:21,171 --> 00:28:23,433 They´re animals. 536 00:28:23,433 --> 00:28:26,707 That´s the dog´s paycheck right there. 537 00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:28,338 They don´t, you know, understand 538 00:28:28,338 --> 00:28:30,941 "Well, you´ll get paid on Friday." 539 00:28:30,941 --> 00:28:33,383 What they know is that when they work 540 00:28:33,383 --> 00:28:37,117 and they find the right odor, they get rewarded for it. 541 00:28:37,117 --> 00:28:40,721 You´re looking for what we call a change of behavior. 542 00:28:40,721 --> 00:28:42,422 It means the dog´s trotting along, 543 00:28:42,422 --> 00:28:44,194 everything´s fine, and all of a sudden 544 00:28:44,194 --> 00:28:47,127 you´ll see maybe a sudden turn in a direction, 545 00:28:47,127 --> 00:28:50,831 like they´ll change directions, maybe even do a 180. 546 00:28:50,831 --> 00:28:52,232 If you´re in an area with trees, 547 00:28:52,232 --> 00:28:54,064 their nose will go up in the air. 548 00:28:54,064 --> 00:28:56,366 So those are all things that we look for and we listen for 549 00:28:56,366 --> 00:28:58,869 when we´re working them. They check out other odors. 550 00:28:58,869 --> 00:29:01,772 It´s like you seeing somebody off in the distance and going, 551 00:29:01,772 --> 00:29:04,444 "Oh, that´s Aunt Sophia." 552 00:29:04,444 --> 00:29:06,276 And then you get a little bit closer and you´re like, 553 00:29:06,276 --> 00:29:09,079 "No, that´s not Aunt Sophia. She just looks like her." 554 00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,351 Dogs are going to do that with negative odors. 555 00:29:11,351 --> 00:29:15,986 So a dead cow, a dead dog, they´re going to go, 556 00:29:15,986 --> 00:29:17,528 "Oh, that´s dead. 557 00:29:17,528 --> 00:29:19,890 Oh, wait a minute. That´s not the one I´m looking for." 558 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:21,091 And so they´ll check it out, 559 00:29:21,091 --> 00:29:22,993 but then they´re going to move on. 560 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:32,803 What do you think, buddy? 561 00:29:32,803 --> 00:29:37,177 Well, I think this is a good day for it. 562 00:29:37,177 --> 00:29:39,149 Hot as any other day. 563 00:29:39,149 --> 00:29:41,151 Yeah. It wasn´t this dry when we came last time. 564 00:29:41,151 --> 00:29:43,053 No, it was not. 565 00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:48,258 Are these, like, roads or are they, like, easements 566 00:29:48,258 --> 00:29:49,560 of some kind? 567 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,862 No, I think that is going to be the easements. 568 00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:53,964 There´s a power line that runs back through here, 569 00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,927 and I think that´s clear cut for part of that. 570 00:29:56,927 --> 00:29:59,500 I know when you measure the road that used to be here 571 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,372 on Google Earth, it´s only 40 to 50 feet. 572 00:30:02,372 --> 00:30:04,835 So it´s not that far back in. 573 00:30:04,835 --> 00:30:06,336 It was more just a spot. Yeah. 574 00:30:06,336 --> 00:30:09,339 More just a place for a farmer to pull in beside his field. 575 00:30:09,339 --> 00:30:11,341 If you want to -- if we want to go to that point 576 00:30:11,341 --> 00:30:13,443 and you want to take off from there and go out, we can. 577 00:30:13,443 --> 00:30:15,546 It´ll get you on the other side of that water. 578 00:30:15,546 --> 00:30:16,947 Yeah. Yeah. 579 00:30:16,947 --> 00:30:19,089 How far do y´all think he would go? 580 00:30:19,089 --> 00:30:22,322 Like, from what y´all... 581 00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:23,924 No more than, like, 100. 582 00:30:23,924 --> 00:30:25,395 100 feet? Yeah, 100 feet. 583 00:30:25,395 --> 00:30:31,231 Okay. And so I´ll search up to... 584 00:30:31,231 --> 00:30:34,164 to that clear area behind it 585 00:30:34,164 --> 00:30:35,836 and just a hair off to the side. 586 00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:37,307 Okay, that´ll work. 587 00:30:37,307 --> 00:30:41,211 So I´ll start him in from right here and work back. 588 00:30:41,211 --> 00:30:42,513 Alright. And then come up. 589 00:30:42,513 --> 00:30:44,915 And if we get anything, we´ll rework the wind 590 00:30:44,915 --> 00:30:49,179 and try to pinpoint and narrow it down. 591 00:30:49,179 --> 00:30:51,121 All right. 592 00:31:14,304 --> 00:31:18,348 We are now at our seventh location, 593 00:31:18,348 --> 00:31:20,480 and we are out here with the FBI 594 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,354 and a K-9 595 00:31:24,354 --> 00:31:27,618 that is with Texas Game Wardens. 596 00:31:27,618 --> 00:31:29,890 The dog is currently working this location. 597 00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,222 We´re trying to look and see if we get any hits, 598 00:31:32,222 --> 00:31:35,325 any possible locations where we can dig 599 00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:39,299 or gain any evidence regarding Morgan´s case. 600 00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:42,132 We know what the possibility is here, 601 00:31:42,132 --> 00:31:43,904 based on witness statements. 602 00:31:43,904 --> 00:31:48,138 So if she works this large area and we don´t get a hit... 603 00:31:48,138 --> 00:31:49,439 Yeah. 604 00:31:55,445 --> 00:31:57,447 Some witnesses that were down here 605 00:31:57,447 --> 00:32:02,923 the evening of the abduction, and they were 606 00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:04,995 able to provide enough information for us, 607 00:32:04,995 --> 00:32:08,629 and within the timeline, it´s perfect. 608 00:32:08,629 --> 00:32:10,360 Within descriptions of the vehicle 609 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,602 that we´re looking for, it´s perfect 610 00:32:11,602 --> 00:32:14,705 to match up with the information. 611 00:32:14,705 --> 00:32:17,708 And this is, for us, the last location. 612 00:32:17,708 --> 00:32:21,441 It´s the last location that we believe that Morgan was. 613 00:32:24,615 --> 00:32:26,977 Basically, it was several different witnesses 614 00:32:26,977 --> 00:32:28,649 that were down here 615 00:32:28,649 --> 00:32:33,353 together to provide information on a vehicle coming in here, 616 00:32:33,353 --> 00:32:37,187 exactly what time the vehicle came in, was a red truck 617 00:32:37,187 --> 00:32:38,989 with a white camper shell, 618 00:32:38,989 --> 00:32:44,234 and the vehicle stayed here an extended period of time, 619 00:32:44,234 --> 00:32:47,998 and they reported that information 620 00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:49,199 right after the fact. 621 00:32:49,199 --> 00:32:53,273 So for us, 622 00:32:53,273 --> 00:32:55,105 going back, looking at the beginning of the case, 623 00:32:55,105 --> 00:32:56,707 looking at the timelines, 624 00:32:56,707 --> 00:32:58,609 getting back into the details 625 00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:03,113 of looking at specific details about the truck -- 626 00:33:03,113 --> 00:33:07,988 that is one of the things that we´re focused on. 627 00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:09,760 And we had one of those witnesses that believed 628 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,462 that it looked like the subject was potentially reaching over, 629 00:33:12,462 --> 00:33:14,194 holding a child down in the seat. 630 00:33:14,194 --> 00:33:19,469 So it -- We got a lot of hopes and a lot of prayers 631 00:33:19,469 --> 00:33:21,031 sitting right here. 632 00:33:22,603 --> 00:33:25,275 We need to ask her how much this water laying here 633 00:33:25,275 --> 00:33:27,538 is going to impact him, 634 00:33:27,538 --> 00:33:29,239 because the ground is going to be even colder 635 00:33:29,239 --> 00:33:31,281 because of the water, I would think. 636 00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:36,386 And I don´t know how to watch this dog to tell 637 00:33:36,386 --> 00:33:38,088 if he alerts to anything. 638 00:33:39,389 --> 00:33:40,751 He does sit? 639 00:33:40,751 --> 00:33:42,322 But he´s supposed to sit. 640 00:33:42,322 --> 00:33:44,194 Well, I wouldn´t if I was him. 641 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,233 I guess the dry only lasted so far up the road. 642 00:34:03,574 --> 00:34:05,475 Any interest at all? 643 00:34:05,475 --> 00:34:07,417 There´s, like, a water catch down there. 644 00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:09,550 Okay. And working down there, 645 00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:11,652 Dexter kept pulling to the right. 646 00:34:11,652 --> 00:34:14,625 It wasn´t really an alert, but it was just different. 647 00:34:14,625 --> 00:34:16,557 Right. You know, so I just -- 648 00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:18,759 I wanted to get a second dog out here to -- 649 00:34:18,759 --> 00:34:20,360 To see. I didn´t want to -- 650 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,562 Like I told you, I didn´t want to leave here 651 00:34:21,562 --> 00:34:23,493 and not have the second dog run it. 652 00:34:23,493 --> 00:34:26,537 Scenario -- if she was buried here 653 00:34:26,537 --> 00:34:28,539 and she´s however many feet deep 654 00:34:28,539 --> 00:34:31,341 and you´ve got water laying on that... 655 00:34:31,341 --> 00:34:34,605 They´re going to be fine, even though it´s been cold? 656 00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:39,580 Yeah, because the water -- scent likes water. 657 00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:43,654 So, like, even if you´ve got something on land by water, 658 00:34:43,654 --> 00:34:45,816 a lot of times the dogs will hit on the water first 659 00:34:45,816 --> 00:34:49,359 until they work it out, because the water tends 660 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,462 to attract the volatile molecules. 661 00:34:52,462 --> 00:34:54,464 Okay. So... 662 00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:03,634 I see him back there now. 663 00:35:22,593 --> 00:35:23,754 Amazed. 664 00:35:23,754 --> 00:35:26,256 How´d we do? No? 665 00:35:26,256 --> 00:35:27,898 All right. 666 00:35:29,259 --> 00:35:30,801 I think it´s that water catch, 667 00:35:30,801 --> 00:35:32,903 and there´s all kinds of odor getting hung up there, 668 00:35:32,903 --> 00:35:34,535 and he was just checking it out. 669 00:35:34,535 --> 00:35:37,337 Yeah, her dog did the same thing out there too, so... 670 00:35:37,337 --> 00:35:39,269 Okay. Good. 671 00:35:57,628 --> 00:35:59,660 Yeah. 672 00:36:01,762 --> 00:36:03,834 In this team -- this dog team coming down, 673 00:36:03,834 --> 00:36:08,468 there were alerts on the hill in the general area 674 00:36:08,468 --> 00:36:12,402 where the witnesses also saw Charlie Vines. 675 00:36:12,402 --> 00:36:15,706 The problem was there was multiple alerts, 676 00:36:15,706 --> 00:36:18,579 and those alerts, in totality, 677 00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:22,212 end up being a large area as well, 678 00:36:22,212 --> 00:36:25,516 making it difficult to just pinpoint where we needed to dig 679 00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:27,457 or where we didn´t need to dig. 680 00:36:27,457 --> 00:36:28,819 We had three different dogs, 681 00:36:28,819 --> 00:36:30,621 and somebody said, the way these dogs work 682 00:36:30,621 --> 00:36:33,493 is if a dog gets a hit, uh... 683 00:36:35,195 --> 00:36:37,728 ...they don´t tell the other dog handler where it hit. 684 00:36:39,369 --> 00:36:40,701 They´ll bring him to an area and let that dog work. 685 00:36:40,701 --> 00:36:42,272 So essentially, what we ended up with 686 00:36:42,272 --> 00:36:45,806 is we ended up with three independent dogs. 687 00:36:45,806 --> 00:36:47,678 One at a time. One at a time, 688 00:36:47,678 --> 00:36:50,581 three different times. Actually, the one dog 689 00:36:50,581 --> 00:36:53,283 came back twice, worked this area, 690 00:36:53,283 --> 00:36:57,447 and we got several alerts right in this area. 691 00:36:57,447 --> 00:37:00,891 And so today is just the day 692 00:37:00,891 --> 00:37:04,354 for us to come out here with ERT -- 693 00:37:04,354 --> 00:37:07,728 the FBI ERT -- and clean this area out. 694 00:37:07,728 --> 00:37:10,761 And we´re going to start digging and see whether or not 695 00:37:10,761 --> 00:37:12,603 we have any positive results based on that. 696 00:37:12,603 --> 00:37:14,765 We´ll keep our fingers crossed. Yes. 697 00:37:36,527 --> 00:37:40,561 Just getting this in and going to open it 698 00:37:40,561 --> 00:37:42,633 is really difficult. 699 00:37:45,666 --> 00:37:48,268 What I have to say to myself is -- I mean, 700 00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,540 and what I believe is we´re probably 701 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,941 not going to find anything. 702 00:37:50,941 --> 00:37:53,544 It´s just -- It is going to be what it is. 703 00:37:53,544 --> 00:37:55,275 There won´t be anything there. There won´t be any matches. 704 00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:58,448 That makes sense. I think everybody knows that it won´t, 705 00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:02,813 but just that hope that it will. 706 00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:19,630 It makes me nervous. It makes my heart hurt. 707 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,071 What are you doing, cat? 708 00:38:23,003 --> 00:38:27,678 So I´m going to open it and see what it says. 709 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:33,684 And if there´s not a match, we´ll just go on and know 710 00:38:33,684 --> 00:38:37,447 that, um, we tried one more thing, 711 00:38:37,447 --> 00:38:41,552 you know, and that -- that´s what -- 712 00:38:41,552 --> 00:38:43,053 that´s what this is about, really, 713 00:38:43,053 --> 00:38:46,597 is just trying everything that we can think of to try 714 00:38:46,597 --> 00:38:48,699 and knowing at the end of every single day 715 00:38:48,699 --> 00:38:53,764 that I´ve done everything that I can. 716 00:38:53,764 --> 00:38:56,006 You know, I think it´s how I sleep at night. 717 00:38:56,006 --> 00:38:58,939 It´s how I go forward, is knowing 718 00:38:58,939 --> 00:39:01,441 that I´m doing everything that I can possibly think of. 719 00:39:01,441 --> 00:39:05,546 I´m doing everything in my power to find her. 720 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,853 It is really difficult to do 721 00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:15,826 because when I´m sitting in front of this link, 722 00:39:15,826 --> 00:39:18,989 if I´m not careful, I´ll let my hope get too big 723 00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:21,832 and then the disappointment is too big. 724 00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:32,643 So it´s easier to... 725 00:39:35,045 --> 00:39:36,807 just assume... 726 00:39:42,052 --> 00:39:47,688 ...that it will turn out to be nothing, like things tend to do, 727 00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:50,160 and we´ll just go on. 728 00:40:20,821 --> 00:40:23,794 So it says zero starred matches. 729 00:40:25,626 --> 00:40:29,760 And 1,000 fourth cousins. 730 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,131 Or closer. 731 00:40:59,930 --> 00:41:01,892 Yeah. 732 00:41:06,096 --> 00:41:07,998 So that´s it. 733 00:41:13,473 --> 00:41:16,577 It says I´m Irish, which I knew. 734 00:41:25,185 --> 00:41:27,157 Can we stop? 735 00:41:43,904 --> 00:41:47,177 My mom involves me when she can. 736 00:41:47,177 --> 00:41:50,511 When I´m allowed to know a lead or what´s going on, 737 00:41:50,511 --> 00:41:53,784 she will talk to me about it and I can support her 738 00:41:53,784 --> 00:41:58,188 so that, you know, she´s not so isolated. 739 00:41:58,188 --> 00:42:00,591 So I would say I´m definitely more involved 740 00:42:00,591 --> 00:42:02,022 than I used to be as a kid. 741 00:42:02,022 --> 00:42:03,924 I don´t know if I have a specific time 742 00:42:03,924 --> 00:42:06,156 that I remember my mother telling me 743 00:42:06,156 --> 00:42:08,929 about what happened to Morgan because I was so young. 744 00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:12,763 I just remember growing up, my mom explaining to me 745 00:42:12,763 --> 00:42:15,866 that a family was looking for a little girl 746 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:18,669 to make a part of their family, to love on, 747 00:42:18,669 --> 00:42:20,541 and they chose my sister. 748 00:42:20,541 --> 00:42:25,215 And while that made me very sad and it broke my heart, 749 00:42:25,215 --> 00:42:28,619 I felt like she was safe, she was taken care of. 750 00:42:28,619 --> 00:42:30,581 And it wasn´t until I was older -- 751 00:42:30,581 --> 00:42:32,082 I was early teens, actually -- 752 00:42:32,082 --> 00:42:34,625 when Jaycee Dugard was recovered, 753 00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:37,988 and I think People magazine did an article on her, 754 00:42:37,988 --> 00:42:42,092 and that is when I realized the abuse 755 00:42:42,092 --> 00:42:46,637 that most kidnapping victims go through. 756 00:42:46,637 --> 00:42:48,899 And I´m so thankful 757 00:42:48,899 --> 00:42:51,602 that my mom sheltered me for so long from that. 758 00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:54,975 I can´t imagine how hard that was for her, 759 00:42:54,975 --> 00:42:57,077 to have all of that grief 760 00:42:57,077 --> 00:43:00,080 and to be able to put it in a way 761 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,754 that my mind could comprehend. 762 00:43:03,754 --> 00:43:06,757 You know, we have home videos and pictures of Morgan, 763 00:43:06,757 --> 00:43:11,021 and I see the love in her eyes that she had for me 764 00:43:11,021 --> 00:43:13,724 and just the joy of her being a big sister. 765 00:43:13,724 --> 00:43:16,627 And my mom actually has a video of her singing to me. 766 00:43:16,627 --> 00:43:18,969 It´s just really sweet. 767 00:43:18,969 --> 00:43:21,271 I´ve always craved that sister relationship 768 00:43:21,271 --> 00:43:23,303 that I see a lot of my friends have, 769 00:43:23,303 --> 00:43:26,176 and knowing that I would have had that, 770 00:43:26,176 --> 00:43:28,308 yeah, that hurts. 771 00:43:46,326 --> 00:43:47,828 Hold up, Rick. 772 00:43:47,828 --> 00:43:49,059 You want some help down there? 773 00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:51,932 See, this is normal for up here -- 774 00:43:51,932 --> 00:43:55,105 to have that type of rocks down in that clay. 775 00:43:55,105 --> 00:43:57,938 We -- this is where we may hit that five foot 776 00:43:57,938 --> 00:44:00,971 until we hit bedrock. 777 00:44:04,815 --> 00:44:08,649 You think that´s rock? Solid? 778 00:44:17,227 --> 00:44:21,091 We came in here, went all the way to bedrock 779 00:44:21,091 --> 00:44:23,794 in the areas that we were working yesterday, 780 00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:28,869 and it´s the area that the dog concentrated on 781 00:44:28,869 --> 00:44:31,772 and absolutely have not found anything. 782 00:44:31,772 --> 00:44:34,875 And so we´re working right now in different areas 783 00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:39,079 that the dog came in and alerted to and kind of working 784 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,352 our way back up the trail that the dog showed us, 785 00:44:42,352 --> 00:44:44,955 and those areas to see whether or not there´s anything there. 786 00:44:44,955 --> 00:44:47,958 But so far, it´s turned up nothing. 787 00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,361 A little frustrating. 788 00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:59,970 You know, there are days when the grief of this... 789 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:04,204 just, it takes me to my knees, I´m just telling you. 790 00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:09,810 But at the end of that moment or at the end of that day, 791 00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:12,142 I know that I have to keep fighting for Morgan. 792 00:45:12,142 --> 00:45:14,214 If I´m not fighting for Morgan, honestly, 793 00:45:14,214 --> 00:45:16,116 eventually, nobody else will. 794 00:45:16,116 --> 00:45:18,849 Are you done? 795 00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:20,490 Hey. 796 00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:21,992 Get it all out of there? 797 00:45:21,992 --> 00:45:24,294 Whatever -- once you get it pushed in, 798 00:45:24,294 --> 00:45:25,856 I don´t know if you need to pull this one out, 799 00:45:25,856 --> 00:45:28,298 but I think you can come right through here. Huh? 800 00:45:28,298 --> 00:45:29,800 You want to do that tree? 801 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,763 If we have any question, let´s do it. 802 00:45:32,763 --> 00:45:35,065 That´s the first place that dog hit, 803 00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:36,737 but, I mean, I´m at this point 804 00:45:36,737 --> 00:45:38,869 thinking this dog´s full of shit. 805 00:45:38,869 --> 00:45:41,311 It feels disheartening. I mean, it -- 806 00:45:41,311 --> 00:45:44,144 You know, we talked about whether or not this is Morgan 807 00:45:44,144 --> 00:45:46,246 or somebody else that we´re looking for. 808 00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:48,218 We obviously feel like this person´s capable 809 00:45:48,218 --> 00:45:50,921 of doing this type of stuff or we wouldn´t be here. 810 00:45:50,921 --> 00:45:54,154 And so when you get your heart set that there´s a potential 811 00:45:54,154 --> 00:45:56,757 you´re going to do a recovery for a family 812 00:45:56,757 --> 00:45:59,960 and it comes up a zero, it´s extremely disheartening. 813 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,034 It´s frustrating, and there´s a feeling 814 00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:06,096 in this area of defeat, but on the other side, 815 00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:07,538 we´ll just pick up and keep going forward. 816 00:46:07,538 --> 00:46:09,870 That´s what we´ve done for 24 years, 817 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:13,974 and we´re not going to change it. 818 00:46:13,974 --> 00:46:17,307 My job is to make sure that nobody loses the focus -- 819 00:46:17,307 --> 00:46:20,180 that anybody who is involved in her case 820 00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:22,252 continues to fight for her with passion. 821 00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:25,185 Not just checking boxes and checking leads, 822 00:46:25,185 --> 00:46:27,317 but that they feel her in their hearts 823 00:46:27,317 --> 00:46:30,921 and that they think about her when they go home at night, 824 00:46:30,921 --> 00:46:34,525 and that they want to do everything in their power 825 00:46:34,525 --> 00:46:37,227 to fight for her. And if I don´t do that myself, 826 00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,970 I can´t expect other people to do that. 827 00:46:48,038 --> 00:46:51,441 It´s insane that we live in a world 828 00:46:51,441 --> 00:46:56,316 where someone can take a child and we just don´t know 829 00:46:56,316 --> 00:46:59,219 what happened to them -- off the face of the earth, 830 00:46:59,219 --> 00:47:01,091 and we cannot find them. 831 00:47:01,091 --> 00:47:05,155 And we can´t allow that to happen in our world. 832 00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:08,258 There´s no part of that 833 00:47:08,258 --> 00:47:10,300 that´s acceptable. 834 00:48:40,921 --> 00:48:43,624 We can change how that looks. 835 00:48:43,624 --> 00:48:46,997 We can change that children wouldn´t be taken 836 00:48:46,997 --> 00:48:49,259 and that communities are educated 837 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:51,361 and that law enforcement knows how to respond 838 00:48:51,361 --> 00:48:55,966 and that predators get jail sentences that don´t allow them 839 00:48:55,966 --> 00:48:59,610 to get out again and commit these kind of crimes. 840 00:49:27,367 --> 00:49:30,300 A day Minnesotans will never forget, 841 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,543 full of tears, sorrow, and heartache. 842 00:49:32,543 --> 00:49:35,305 After 27 years, we finally know 843 00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:36,747 what happened to Jacob Wetterling. 844 00:49:36,747 --> 00:49:38,549 And it took nearly three decades, 845 00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:42,152 but answers about Jacob´s fate finally came out in court. 846 00:49:42,152 --> 00:49:44,414 You know, we really did not know what to expect 847 00:49:44,414 --> 00:49:46,717 here at the federal courthouse at 1:00 today, 848 00:49:46,717 --> 00:49:49,359 and then there was this surreal moment in the courtroom -- 849 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,191 I´ll never forget it -- when you realized 850 00:49:51,191 --> 00:49:53,624 we are about ready to find out exactly what happened 851 00:49:53,624 --> 00:49:55,566 to Jacob Wetterling, and we´re about ready to 852 00:49:55,566 --> 00:49:57,227 hear it from the man who did it. 68622

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