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Good possibility
it´s a red truck,
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they still don´t know the make,
with a white camper shell.
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If we can find that truck
and identify it,
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there may be evidence
in that truck.
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The Alma Police Department
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making a huge
announcement today.
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The chief, Jeff Pointer,
took over the chief position
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after Russell White retired
from the position.
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I found statements
that I had seen before
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at different times
over the years.
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Location number seven --
other witnesses,
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they observed
this vehicle come in.
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They felt like they observed the
adult male driving the truck,
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potentially holding a child down
in the front seat of the truck.
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I start digging through files,
looking for more witnesses,
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more things, and I come
across the photograph.
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I think, "Oh, my God,
I´m looking at the truck."
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Police say this truck
is a Mazda.
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Had you ever heard that?
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Um, I mean, I don´t --
I don´t remember it, no.
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We need to find this truck,
and we need to find this person.
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We love her and we miss her.
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Whoever´s got her,
just bring her back to us.
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She´s got her eyes closed.
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Keep them tight. Real closed.
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Closed real tight.
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Okay, open your eyes.
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You kind of scratch
your head and wonder --
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it´s like, where do I live now?
And what is this world?
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What is real?
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That´s for you. That´s your
happy birthday present.
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Didn´t you just wish that
this was just a night--
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that was just a nightmare
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and this was the better place
to be?
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This is a world that was real.
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You know what?
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He´s been sleeping
in our bedroom all night.
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That´s when Mama made you
hurry up and get out of there
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while company came in.
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Last night, when you came in
our bedroom.
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Last night?
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I didn´t even see it.
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I know. I made you leave fast
before it could holler.
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I didn´t know enough
about Morgan, but we connected.
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And I think that that´s been
the sort of magic.
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It´s like, you´d tell me
something,
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and I could just know
exactly your feelings.
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And it was --
it was the same.
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Hey, he put his little nose
on me.
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In the video camera,
I can´t tell where his nose is
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and I where his eyes are.
He´s shaking, Mommy.
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He´s scared.
He doesn´t know you.
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The first time
I called you,
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I had --
I saw a magazine article,
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and it had the phone number
for your foundation,
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and it was late.
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It was 2:00,
3:00 in the morning.
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And I called
and got a voicemail.
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Your executive director
ended up calling me back,
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and I just wanted --
I just wanted to talk to you.
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Didn´t know you.
Had never met you.
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And he said
he would make that happen.
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And you called me
the next day.
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Yeah.
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It was such
an unbelievable story
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that you were telling me
that I hadn´t really known.
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I mean, back then,
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it wasn´t like news
was immediate and so current.
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You know, we knew cases
in our neck of the woods
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and you knew
your neck of the woods.
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You know, that´s one of
the things we always talk
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to law enforcement about
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is that families are very
isolated when children are taken
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because there´s no one
in your neighborhood
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or no one in your circle
and no one in your community
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that you can go to
for help and intervention
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and trying to figure out
how to do this.
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It´s like, just to sit down
with somebody
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who at least one part
of their life is shared.
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Right.
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All of
the surrounding circumstances
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might be different, but there´s
this one common factor
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that is so horrific,
you can´t imagine it.
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And, you know,
with any other crime,
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people don´t try and put
themselves in your place.
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But a lot of times,
you have a missing child,
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and people would say,
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"Well, I know if it were me,
I´d be angry.
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I´d want to do this,
I´d want to do that."
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And it´s like --
they never get it quite right
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because you can´t.
No one can know.
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You know, people care so much.
They want to.
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Right, and they want to think
that they´d be brave
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and they want
to think this.
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But you can´t know.
You can´t know.
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I think time is kind of
a mystery while you´re searching
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because
it doesn´t mean anything.
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You know, you go to school
for, like, kindergarten
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to like 12 years
of school.
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You buy a car over six years,
you buy a home over 30 years.
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You know, it´s like,
how long do you do this?
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You know,
there was no parameter.
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There were no parameters.
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And I was always amazed
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when it would be, like,
fifth-year anniversary
or something.
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It´s like, "How?"
It can´t be, you know.
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And I just got confused by time
because how long?
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How long till we´re done?
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So I remember one time
we were together
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and somebody asked you, like,
"But when is enough enough?"
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Yeah.
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And people
really don´t understand
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how you can keep --
just keep relentlessly fighting,
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but Morgan
is worth fighting for.
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And you make the rest
of the world
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know why they need to care.
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Kids are found because
people don´t forget
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and somebody sometime feels
safe enough to tell
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or they can no longer live
with what they know
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and they didn´t want to tell
or something changes
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or it´s just time
and they are ready.
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But that really
is almost a key --
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almost always a key ingredient,
is keeping the case alive --
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keeping hope alive
and keeping Morgan alive,
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keeping Jacob alive, keeping all
these kids who are out there.
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They just don´t vanish
into thin air.
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They do go somewhere,
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and someone took our kids.
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Jerry took Jacob fishing
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because it was the end
of the season.
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I took Trevor and bought shoes,
and we came back
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and watched
the Minnesota Vikings play.
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And then they begged
to go to the ice arena
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and just have one more skate
before tryouts.
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And so they did that,
and they came back.
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And I had chaired
an art festival,
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and we were having
a kind of a revisit --
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how did it go?
What worked, what didn´t?
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And we asked Jacob
if he minded babysitting.
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Our oldest daughter, Amy,
was staying at a friend´s house.
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It was Sunday night, but they
didn´t have school the next day.
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And Jacob was in sixth grade --
11 if I add, you know, do-overs.
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It sounds so young, but he was
nearly 12 in sixth grade,
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and we weren´t
going to be gone long,
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and we asked if he minded
babysitting.
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He said, "Sure,
can Aaron come over?"
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So now we´d have
two sixth-grade boys.
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So we ordered a pizza.
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We left.
We got to our friend´s house
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and then called home to give
the boys --
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the kids the phone number.
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And shortly after they called
and said, "We´re bored.
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Can we ride our bikes
to the store and rent a video?"
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This is pre-Netflix, right?
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So our house
to the store is a mile,
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and I had answered the phone,
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and I said,
"No, find something to do."
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It was starting to get dark.
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And Trevor said,
"Well, let me talk to Dad."
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So, you know, you hand over
the --
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"Your son would like
to speak with you."
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And Jerry answered the --
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you know,
picked up and it´s like,
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"Look, Dad, we got
a white sweatshirt on Aaron,
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Jacob´s wearing
your jogging vest.
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I got the flashlight.
We´ll go straight to the store
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and come straight back.
Is it okay?"
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And he said,
"Yeah, it should be okay."
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Really, his concern was traffic.
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It´s a country road and
there´s not a lot of traffic,
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but the cars that do go
go fast.
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They went to the store.
They got a video.
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They got, ironically,
The Naked Gun.
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They got some candy.
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And they were --
they were coming back.
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It was now dark.
It was just after 9:00.
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And two of them were on bikes,
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but Aaron was on
one of those foot scooters
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that you just push.
So they were going slowly,
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and all of a sudden,
they looked up
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and there was a man standing
in the road with a gun.
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Trevor the flashlight --
he was first --
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and they all saw the gun.
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And he told them
to put out the flashlight,
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get off their bikes,
and lie down in the ditch.
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And Trevor said it was like
some kind of a sick joke,
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but they did as they were told.
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And then he asked their ages,
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which was, um...confusing.
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Trevor was 10, Aaron 11,
Jacob 11.
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He told Trevor to run into
the woods as fast as he could,
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or he would shoot.
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And Trevor took off.
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He said the same words to Aaron.
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First he looked at Aaron´s face.
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I think that´s where
the selection was made.
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I-I´m not sure.
But he looked --
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He told Aaron
to run into the woods.
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Exact same words, "As fast
as you can or I´ll shoot."
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And when they really thought --
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Trevor really thought
this was a prank
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and that he was going
to let everybody go.
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But when Aaron caught up to --
he saw the man grab
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Jacob´s shoulder when he left,
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and when he caught up to Trevor
and they felt safe enough
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to turn around and look back,
they were gone.
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They were just gone.
There was no car there.
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They didn´t hear
a car engine start.
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They didn´t hear
a car door slam.
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They never saw a car.
They were just gone.
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So they ran. It was like
a half a mile from our home.
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They ran across a field
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and went screaming
into the house next door
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to tell the babysitter that
to call 911,
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somebody took Jacob.
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The search for 11-year-old Jacob
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is pressing on in high gear,
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even though no one has found
any real sign of the boy.
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An army of volunteers continues
to search roadsides and fields,
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and more than
250 National Guardsmen
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and Department of
Natural Resources workers
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are scouring forests and swamps.
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In the meantime, this town tries
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to keep the story of Jacob
in the news,
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putting up reminders of
the 11-year-old boy everywhere.
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There´s absolutely nothing
we can do,
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and it´s a total
helpless feeling.
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The only thing we can do
is to keep everybody
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looking and helping.
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It´s like, we don´t --
we want you here.
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People say all kinds of
things and it´s like,
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got to prepare for
the worst-case scenario
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or something silly like that.
How can you prepare for that?
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You can´t prepare for that.
It may happen, but you don´t --
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There´s no readiness
for it.
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A reporter said to me one time,
he said,
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"Hypothetically, what if Morgan
doesn´t come home?
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What will you do?"
It was a very serious question.
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And I remember looking at him
thinking,
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"What if Morgan
doesn´t come home?"
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I´ve literally never
thought about that.
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And I still don´t
give any energy to that
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because my my response is,
"What if she´s out there?
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What if she somehow survived?
Yeah.
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You know,
what if we find her?"
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It´s just so much
for people to comprehend
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that you can keep fighting
for years and years
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and years without an answer,
but it´s what we do.
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We´re moms.
Yeah.
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The first people I met
that got it was --
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they were vets
and they were honoring --
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it was Veterans Day,
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and they were honoring
all of the missing in action.
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And they had these black
balloons that they released
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for all of
the missing in action.
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And they had one white one
for Jacob.
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And they just said,
"The way we see it,
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he´s missing in action."
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And I´m like,
"Oh, you guys get it."
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You don´t quit
because it´s been a while.
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You just -- they knew.
They understood the hope
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that you and I get,
that I had never met
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anybody like that.
I loved that.
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That´s awesome.
I´ve never heard that.
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Yeah, it was.
They were really good to us.
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There were people in this case
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that they had put focus
on at times,
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and based on that,
you will see information
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on those people in the future.
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I really don´t want to sit here
and name them off.
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I really don´t want
to give them any time.
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I don´t. Just know that
when you look at those,
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some of those --
basically what this is,
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is when you get people
that are bad people
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and you know they´re bad people,
they´ve got a history of this,
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they become a person
of interest for you,
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especially if they´re
from this area.
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One of those people --
I´ll throw the name
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because you probably
already know it --
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Charlie Vines.
Okay?
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Charlie Vines was a mad man
that lived in Syria.
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And we know that he did
a lot of bad things.
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I look at Charlie Vines
and I know Charlie´s operating
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in this area at the time
that Morgan´s abducted.
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I would not be doing my job
if I did not look
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at Charlie Vines.
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The case of
Juanita Wofford is now over.
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Charles Vines admitted before
a judge he is guilty of beating
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and stabbing the woman
to death in 1993.
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When we come across people
that have been arrested
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post-Morgan in this area
for attempted abductions,
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then, yes,
we are going to be climbing
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right in the middle of them.
294
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The agreement was this -- police
would ask Vines questions
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about unsolved cases,
including Melissa Witt,
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Morgan Nick, Lori Murchison,
Dora Do, and Juanita Wofford.
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Vines tells the truth,
he gets to live.
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We don´t believe
that we have everything
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that this person did.
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We believe that there´s
more out there
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in that particular circumstance.
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It was just a knowledge
that this person is here,
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operating at June the 9th
of ´95.
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We know that this person
was doing that
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in this area at that time.
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This person´s victims ranged
from 14 years old to 93.
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You can´t rule out that
this person didn´t go to six.
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You have to look.
I just started gathering
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as much information
as I could on this person,
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and I actually started
mapping it.
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The first thing I did
is obtained his addresses,
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family addresses, where I knew
that he had lived previously.
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And then the next thing I do
is I take known victims
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and start plugging those in so
that I´m physically looking at,
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okay, this is where he´s living
and this is the proximity
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of his victims in that location.
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And then go a step further
and start digging
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and try to find out, okay,
who else is missing?
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From back in the ´80s to this
timeframe when he went to jail,
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who else is missing
in these areas?
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What I saw when I looked at
that was very concerning to me.
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Basically, the green pegs
that you´re looking at
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and the green writing
are locations
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that Charlie Vines
was known to live.
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And then what you´re looking at
in red are actually his victims.
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You know, close proximity
to his house, uh,
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was also, uh, a rape and murder
of another elderly female.
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With Mr. Vines,
you´re potentially looking
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at a serial killer.
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When you have a crime
this close to home,
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is you´d be very foolish
not to look
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at what´s in your own backyard
at that time.
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And at the time of Morgan´s
abduction, he was active.
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Uh, didn´t get caught until
about six years, I believe --
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five or six years after
her abduction.
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Through this area, many other
things that have occurred,
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it gives us a very strong reason
to go in and take a look at him.
338
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When it´s been work for
so many years,
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first of all, that´s a sign that
it´s going to be a tough case.
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What can I find that maybe
someone else didn´t find?
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What´s a perspective
I can add to this
342
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:10,631
that -- that maybe helps?
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Charlie Vines had attempted
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to murder a girl out here
in Crawford County,
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and he got caught in the act.
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And when they identified him
347
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in that, his DNA matched up with
some other murders in this area,
348
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so he started being looked at
as a suspect
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for the Morgan Nick case.
350
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You know,
the thing with a person
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who would harm a child, to me,
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something that --
it takes a darker,
353
00:17:36,827 --> 00:17:38,529
more sinister type of person.
354
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So I get a much larger
gratification of building a case
355
00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:45,696
and putting someone away
that does this type of crime.
356
00:17:45,696 --> 00:17:50,400
Charlie Ray Vines was a guy
who lived in Crawford County.
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He had a period of victimization
through Crawford County.
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Looking at him saying, okay,
he has a predisposition
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to harm another person,
to murder, take life.
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00:18:03,213 --> 00:18:05,586
When you look at that
and he´s within close proximity
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to, you know,
the Morgan Nick abduction,
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00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:12,362
so that brought us to doing
a kind of a deep-dive
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investigative look
at his life.
364
00:18:27,678 --> 00:18:30,340
I got you over there
right quick.
365
00:18:38,819 --> 00:18:40,250
He´s a known killer.
366
00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:41,852
We know that
he has killed people.
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He´s been convicted of it.
He was doing life in prison.
368
00:18:44,595 --> 00:18:46,557
You know, he is not
just a murderer,
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he´s a rapist.
That´s been proven.
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You are looking at somebody
that has some serious issues
371
00:18:51,161 --> 00:18:54,505
going on -- some very serious
issues going on,
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and that is operating
right here in your backyard.
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You can´t turn
your head to that.
374
00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,271
Yeah.
375
00:19:07,678 --> 00:19:08,879
Charles, uh...
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00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,728
And, uh...
And, uh...
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00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:25,536
You know, the things
that we know in this case --
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did he have access
to the vehicle
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we´re looking for on that night?
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Did he have the ability
to be here that night?
381
00:19:32,342 --> 00:19:34,244
You run through
every one of those
382
00:19:34,244 --> 00:19:36,877
and you run out every potential
lead you can run out in them.
383
00:19:36,877 --> 00:19:41,251
We did receive a lead,
based off of prison information,
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00:19:41,251 --> 00:19:44,655
that Charlie Vines
had confessed to this crime.
385
00:19:44,655 --> 00:19:47,357
Charlie Vines had admitted
to telling --
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00:19:47,357 --> 00:19:49,319
he admitted to someone else
387
00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:52,593
that he had actually done
the Morgan Nick abduction.
388
00:19:52,593 --> 00:19:56,527
It was obviously third- and
fourth-generation information.
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00:19:56,527 --> 00:19:58,228
Someone told someone
who told someone,
390
00:19:58,228 --> 00:19:59,830
but it was never followed up on.
391
00:19:59,830 --> 00:20:01,532
And so it was like, when you
talk to the person, you´re like,
392
00:20:01,532 --> 00:20:03,303
"Okay, that´s interesting.
393
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:06,276
A lot of things get said
in prison, and, you know,
394
00:20:06,276 --> 00:20:09,910
you go to the validity and
the credibility of the person
395
00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:12,683
passing this information to you,
as well as whether or not
396
00:20:12,683 --> 00:20:14,515
this is somebody
trying to take credit
397
00:20:14,515 --> 00:20:16,617
for a crime they didn´t do.
You have to look at all of it.
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00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:20,490
That person gave us enough --
was close enough
399
00:20:20,490 --> 00:20:22,653
to give us accurate information
400
00:20:22,653 --> 00:20:24,655
that made us really focus
on Vines
401
00:20:24,655 --> 00:20:28,428
for multiple murders.
402
00:20:34,004 --> 00:20:35,736
I mean...
403
00:21:05,295 --> 00:21:08,739
When we identified him
as someone we really wanted
404
00:21:08,739 --> 00:21:14,645
to eliminate
or, you know, work further on,
405
00:21:14,645 --> 00:21:16,677
the best thing to do is
just try and go talk to someone.
406
00:21:16,677 --> 00:21:19,710
They were going
to go interview him,
407
00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:22,653
and I get a call
from them one day that says,
408
00:21:22,653 --> 00:21:26,456
"Hey, we can´t interview him."
409
00:21:30,921 --> 00:21:33,293
I said, "What do you mean,
you can´t interview him?"
410
00:21:33,293 --> 00:21:35,465
And they said,
"Well, he´s got cancer."
411
00:21:35,465 --> 00:21:38,769
By the time we had started
making arrangements
412
00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:41,772
and figuring out where he´s at,
he was in a prison,
413
00:21:41,772 --> 00:21:43,433
he was already terminally ill.
414
00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:46,406
And he was basically
in a comatose-type state,
415
00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,438
to where they didn´t believe
that he had
416
00:21:48,438 --> 00:21:51,742
more than a week to live.
They were calling family in.
417
00:21:51,742 --> 00:21:53,413
And he died.
418
00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:56,587
And so he passed
just basically weeks
419
00:21:56,587 --> 00:21:58,619
before we were able
to go talk to him.
420
00:21:58,619 --> 00:22:00,020
Not that it would
have done any good,
421
00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:01,992
because my experience
with people in prison
422
00:22:01,992 --> 00:22:05,956
is they´ll talk to you,
but it´s going to take days
423
00:22:05,956 --> 00:22:07,998
and hours of of going through
what they tell you
424
00:22:07,998 --> 00:22:10,330
to figure out what´s bullshit
and what´s truth,
425
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:12,863
because that´s just
the way they are.
426
00:22:12,863 --> 00:22:14,965
And so we would have
expected that,
427
00:22:14,965 --> 00:22:18,639
but it still would have been
nice to have at least
428
00:22:18,639 --> 00:22:21,471
approached him
and see the reaction.
429
00:22:21,471 --> 00:22:24,044
So in some respects,
it makes it tougher for us.
430
00:22:24,044 --> 00:22:26,717
In some respects, it could
actually potentially help us
431
00:22:26,717 --> 00:22:29,680
within the case,
because people may feel
432
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,552
more free
to come forward with information
433
00:22:31,552 --> 00:22:34,625
and help us more
in this lead now,
434
00:22:34,625 --> 00:22:36,386
because he´s no longer alive,
435
00:22:36,386 --> 00:22:39,489
he´s no longer a threat
that they would deem from him.
436
00:22:39,489 --> 00:22:43,834
I know for a fact that he had
a red truck with a white camper
437
00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:45,696
because I used to drive by it.
438
00:22:45,696 --> 00:22:48,038
I know for a fact he owned one.
Where he lived at the time,
439
00:22:48,038 --> 00:22:51,441
I was very familiar with,
used to patrol all the time.
440
00:22:51,441 --> 00:22:53,073
Here´s where the problem
runs into on this,
441
00:22:53,073 --> 00:22:54,605
is actually timeline.
442
00:22:54,605 --> 00:22:57,878
Going back and being able
to look at this,
443
00:22:57,878 --> 00:23:00,811
we´ve received information that
he had access to a red truck
444
00:23:00,811 --> 00:23:02,152
with a white camper
at that time.
445
00:23:02,152 --> 00:23:04,785
Being able to look
at a registration and go,
446
00:23:04,785 --> 00:23:07,387
"He had this red truck
with this white camper
447
00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:09,920
registered to him
at the date of this abduction,"
448
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,792
we´ve not been able to do.
449
00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:18,529
Vines had admitted to more
than four murders --
450
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:19,930
well more than four murders --
451
00:23:19,930 --> 00:23:23,403
and that he had
also communicated
452
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:26,937
that the best way to hide a body
is under rocks and concrete.
453
00:23:26,937 --> 00:23:29,179
And so that that causes you
to say, "Well, okay,
454
00:23:29,179 --> 00:23:32,112
let´s just dig further into
that. What does that mean?"
455
00:24:02,012 --> 00:24:04,214
What if she did AncestryDNA?
456
00:24:04,214 --> 00:24:07,117
What if she did? I don´t know.
457
00:24:10,851 --> 00:24:13,724
But what if her, you know,
DNA is out there
458
00:24:13,724 --> 00:24:19,159
and we could get a match
if I did mine?
459
00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:21,732
And it seems like a really...
460
00:24:24,094 --> 00:24:26,096
...a very unlikely scenario.
461
00:24:26,096 --> 00:24:27,868
It seems very unlikely.
462
00:24:27,868 --> 00:24:29,239
But I´ve watched friends of mine
463
00:24:29,239 --> 00:24:33,103
who were adopted at birth
do their AncestryDNA
464
00:24:33,103 --> 00:24:35,776
and have found
their biological parents
465
00:24:35,776 --> 00:24:37,207
and found brothers and sisters.
466
00:24:37,207 --> 00:24:38,909
And I know this is
a little bit different,
467
00:24:38,909 --> 00:24:43,714
but if the DNA is in the system,
and then it´ll match.
468
00:24:43,714 --> 00:24:47,718
And so -- And I´ve really spent
two years thinking about it
469
00:24:47,718 --> 00:24:53,493
because it does seem pretty
far-fetched that it might work.
470
00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:56,166
And I´m, um...
471
00:25:03,774 --> 00:25:06,837
So I hate to do it
and have it not work.
472
00:25:08,779 --> 00:25:13,644
I try something else one
more time and have it not work.
473
00:25:13,644 --> 00:25:18,188
But, you know, I want to do
everything in my power
474
00:25:18,188 --> 00:25:20,651
and I don´t want to pass up
an opportunity, just in case.
475
00:25:20,651 --> 00:25:25,155
Even if it´s the tiniest
percentage that it might work,
476
00:25:25,155 --> 00:25:27,057
I want to do this.
And so I talked
477
00:25:27,057 --> 00:25:29,229
to our investigative team
and asked them
478
00:25:29,229 --> 00:25:31,732
what they thought about it, and
they just kind of looked at me
479
00:25:31,732 --> 00:25:34,134
and said, "Why didn´t we do this
a long time ago?"
480
00:25:34,134 --> 00:25:35,866
So they´re very much on board.
481
00:25:35,866 --> 00:25:37,938
Um, you know, in my heart,
482
00:25:37,938 --> 00:25:40,941
I don´t actually expect
that we´ll get a match.
483
00:25:40,941 --> 00:25:44,074
I don´t, but I have to try.
484
00:25:47,878 --> 00:25:50,050
Right this way.
485
00:26:02,062 --> 00:26:04,695
We started interviewing
neighbors,
486
00:26:04,695 --> 00:26:06,066
people who knew him back
in the day,
487
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:08,038
people who lived in that area
back in the day.
488
00:26:08,038 --> 00:26:11,842
And some of the stuff that
came up was one neighbor spotted
489
00:26:11,842 --> 00:26:13,273
him on the hill
across from his property.
490
00:26:13,273 --> 00:26:15,045
There´s a radio tower
on that hill.
491
00:26:15,045 --> 00:26:16,306
It would be a shot
in the dark for us
492
00:26:16,306 --> 00:26:17,848
to just walk up in there
and poke around,
493
00:26:17,848 --> 00:26:20,681
but, you know, the hope
is that maybe this tool
494
00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:24,054
can get us some furtherance
or at least help us, you know,
495
00:26:24,054 --> 00:26:27,117
put to bed some of
the suspicion of that area.
496
00:26:27,117 --> 00:26:29,189
I do historical work
with her.
497
00:26:29,189 --> 00:26:33,664
So the oldest that we´ve found
is 2,500 years.
498
00:26:33,664 --> 00:26:35,866
Jeez.
So...
499
00:26:35,866 --> 00:26:38,599
She worked some
historic sites
500
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,131
out in west Texas,
out south of Odessa.
501
00:26:41,131 --> 00:26:43,173
A team had been identified
out of Texas
502
00:26:43,173 --> 00:26:47,237
that was willing to come up
and use their dogs.
503
00:26:47,237 --> 00:26:50,140
I know they had a dog
that was supposed to do --
504
00:26:50,140 --> 00:26:53,644
supposed to be able
to detect older remains
505
00:26:53,644 --> 00:26:56,887
and a dog that was supposed
to detect newer remains to see
506
00:26:56,887 --> 00:27:01,992
if that would help us narrow
our area up on the hill.
507
00:27:01,992 --> 00:27:04,024
Those teams were brought in.
508
00:27:05,926 --> 00:27:10,000
I have never used canines before
in this type of a situation,
509
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,032
but trying to have
a scientific approach,
510
00:27:12,032 --> 00:27:14,134
we had information that this was
the area he liked to be,
511
00:27:14,134 --> 00:27:16,166
so we wanted to have
the dogs work that area,
512
00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:18,308
but also want them to work
other parts of the hill.
513
00:27:18,308 --> 00:27:20,240
So here was his property
back in the day.
514
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,675
It´s kind of a triangle, and
we´ve gone through a lot of it,
515
00:27:24,675 --> 00:27:28,078
but what we noticed when we
surveyed it a couple of times,
516
00:27:28,078 --> 00:27:30,050
just basically walking
through it,
517
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,122
but when we were actually
digging on spots,
518
00:27:32,122 --> 00:27:33,353
as we would walk around,
we would find
519
00:27:33,353 --> 00:27:35,025
more suspicious spots.
520
00:27:35,025 --> 00:27:39,730
So the hope is that the dogs
can do some work around here
521
00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:42,192
and, you know,
help us cover that area
522
00:27:42,192 --> 00:27:44,064
where we can´t get to.
523
00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:45,796
When you´re dealing
with scent,
524
00:27:45,796 --> 00:27:49,800
the theory is scent rises
on mountains in the mornings
525
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,341
and it falls
in the evenings.
526
00:27:51,341 --> 00:27:53,674
So if we´re starting out
up top
527
00:27:53,674 --> 00:27:56,246
and there´s scent coming up
from something,
528
00:27:56,246 --> 00:27:58,679
then they´ll pick it up
and work to it.
529
00:28:05,215 --> 00:28:08,789
You ready? Okay. Send her.
530
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:10,290
Come on. Get it.
531
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:12,963
So she just gave
her a search command.
532
00:28:12,963 --> 00:28:15,265
She´s giving her trained
final response.
533
00:28:15,265 --> 00:28:18,098
She knows it´s right over
in that area. Now she had it.
534
00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:21,171
So then she put
her nose on it.
535
00:28:21,171 --> 00:28:23,433
They´re animals.
536
00:28:23,433 --> 00:28:26,707
That´s the dog´s paycheck
right there.
537
00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:28,338
They don´t, you know,
understand
538
00:28:28,338 --> 00:28:30,941
"Well, you´ll get paid
on Friday."
539
00:28:30,941 --> 00:28:33,383
What they know is that
when they work
540
00:28:33,383 --> 00:28:37,117
and they find the right odor,
they get rewarded for it.
541
00:28:37,117 --> 00:28:40,721
You´re looking for what we call
a change of behavior.
542
00:28:40,721 --> 00:28:42,422
It means the dog´s
trotting along,
543
00:28:42,422 --> 00:28:44,194
everything´s fine,
and all of a sudden
544
00:28:44,194 --> 00:28:47,127
you´ll see maybe a sudden turn
in a direction,
545
00:28:47,127 --> 00:28:50,831
like they´ll change directions,
maybe even do a 180.
546
00:28:50,831 --> 00:28:52,232
If you´re in an area
with trees,
547
00:28:52,232 --> 00:28:54,064
their nose will go up
in the air.
548
00:28:54,064 --> 00:28:56,366
So those are all things that
we look for and we listen for
549
00:28:56,366 --> 00:28:58,869
when we´re working them.
They check out other odors.
550
00:28:58,869 --> 00:29:01,772
It´s like you seeing somebody
off in the distance and going,
551
00:29:01,772 --> 00:29:04,444
"Oh, that´s Aunt Sophia."
552
00:29:04,444 --> 00:29:06,276
And then you get a little
bit closer and you´re like,
553
00:29:06,276 --> 00:29:09,079
"No, that´s not Aunt Sophia.
She just looks like her."
554
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,351
Dogs are going to do that
with negative odors.
555
00:29:11,351 --> 00:29:15,986
So a dead cow, a dead dog,
they´re going to go,
556
00:29:15,986 --> 00:29:17,528
"Oh, that´s dead.
557
00:29:17,528 --> 00:29:19,890
Oh, wait a minute. That´s not
the one I´m looking for."
558
00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:21,091
And so they´ll check it out,
559
00:29:21,091 --> 00:29:22,993
but then they´re
going to move on.
560
00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:32,803
What do you think, buddy?
561
00:29:32,803 --> 00:29:37,177
Well, I think this
is a good day for it.
562
00:29:37,177 --> 00:29:39,149
Hot as any other day.
563
00:29:39,149 --> 00:29:41,151
Yeah.
It wasn´t this dry
when we came last time.
564
00:29:41,151 --> 00:29:43,053
No, it was not.
565
00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:48,258
Are these, like, roads
or are they, like, easements
566
00:29:48,258 --> 00:29:49,560
of some kind?
567
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,862
No, I think that is going
to be the easements.
568
00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:53,964
There´s a power line
that runs back through here,
569
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,927
and I think that´s
clear cut for part of that.
570
00:29:56,927 --> 00:29:59,500
I know when you measure the road
that used to be here
571
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,372
on Google Earth,
it´s only 40 to 50 feet.
572
00:30:02,372 --> 00:30:04,835
So it´s not
that far back in.
573
00:30:04,835 --> 00:30:06,336
It was more just a spot.
Yeah.
574
00:30:06,336 --> 00:30:09,339
More just a place for a farmer
to pull in beside his field.
575
00:30:09,339 --> 00:30:11,341
If you want to -- if we want
to go to that point
576
00:30:11,341 --> 00:30:13,443
and you want to take off
from there and go out, we can.
577
00:30:13,443 --> 00:30:15,546
It´ll get you
on the other side of that water.
578
00:30:15,546 --> 00:30:16,947
Yeah.
Yeah.
579
00:30:16,947 --> 00:30:19,089
How far do
y´all think he would go?
580
00:30:19,089 --> 00:30:22,322
Like, from what y´all...
581
00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:23,924
No more than,
like, 100.
582
00:30:23,924 --> 00:30:25,395
100 feet?
Yeah, 100 feet.
583
00:30:25,395 --> 00:30:31,231
Okay.
And so I´ll search up to...
584
00:30:31,231 --> 00:30:34,164
to that clear area behind it
585
00:30:34,164 --> 00:30:35,836
and just a hair
off to the side.
586
00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:37,307
Okay, that´ll work.
587
00:30:37,307 --> 00:30:41,211
So I´ll start him in
from right here and work back.
588
00:30:41,211 --> 00:30:42,513
Alright.
And then come up.
589
00:30:42,513 --> 00:30:44,915
And if we get anything,
we´ll rework the wind
590
00:30:44,915 --> 00:30:49,179
and try to pinpoint
and narrow it down.
591
00:30:49,179 --> 00:30:51,121
All right.
592
00:31:14,304 --> 00:31:18,348
We are now
at our seventh location,
593
00:31:18,348 --> 00:31:20,480
and we are out here with the FBI
594
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,354
and a K-9
595
00:31:24,354 --> 00:31:27,618
that is with Texas Game Wardens.
596
00:31:27,618 --> 00:31:29,890
The dog is currently
working this location.
597
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,222
We´re trying to look and see
if we get any hits,
598
00:31:32,222 --> 00:31:35,325
any possible locations
where we can dig
599
00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:39,299
or gain any evidence
regarding Morgan´s case.
600
00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:42,132
We know what the possibility
is here,
601
00:31:42,132 --> 00:31:43,904
based on witness statements.
602
00:31:43,904 --> 00:31:48,138
So if she works this large area
and we don´t get a hit...
603
00:31:48,138 --> 00:31:49,439
Yeah.
604
00:31:55,445 --> 00:31:57,447
Some witnesses that
were down here
605
00:31:57,447 --> 00:32:02,923
the evening of the abduction,
and they were
606
00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:04,995
able to provide
enough information for us,
607
00:32:04,995 --> 00:32:08,629
and within the timeline,
it´s perfect.
608
00:32:08,629 --> 00:32:10,360
Within descriptions
of the vehicle
609
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,602
that we´re looking for,
it´s perfect
610
00:32:11,602 --> 00:32:14,705
to match up
with the information.
611
00:32:14,705 --> 00:32:17,708
And this is, for us,
the last location.
612
00:32:17,708 --> 00:32:21,441
It´s the last location
that we believe that Morgan was.
613
00:32:24,615 --> 00:32:26,977
Basically, it was several
different witnesses
614
00:32:26,977 --> 00:32:28,649
that were down here
615
00:32:28,649 --> 00:32:33,353
together to provide information
on a vehicle coming in here,
616
00:32:33,353 --> 00:32:37,187
exactly what time the vehicle
came in, was a red truck
617
00:32:37,187 --> 00:32:38,989
with a white camper shell,
618
00:32:38,989 --> 00:32:44,234
and the vehicle stayed here
an extended period of time,
619
00:32:44,234 --> 00:32:47,998
and they reported
that information
620
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:49,199
right after the fact.
621
00:32:49,199 --> 00:32:53,273
So for us,
622
00:32:53,273 --> 00:32:55,105
going back, looking at
the beginning of the case,
623
00:32:55,105 --> 00:32:56,707
looking at the timelines,
624
00:32:56,707 --> 00:32:58,609
getting back
into the details
625
00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:03,113
of looking at specific details
about the truck --
626
00:33:03,113 --> 00:33:07,988
that is one of the things
that we´re focused on.
627
00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:09,760
And we had one of
those witnesses that believed
628
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,462
that it looked like the subject
was potentially reaching over,
629
00:33:12,462 --> 00:33:14,194
holding a child down
in the seat.
630
00:33:14,194 --> 00:33:19,469
So it -- We got a lot of hopes
and a lot of prayers
631
00:33:19,469 --> 00:33:21,031
sitting right here.
632
00:33:22,603 --> 00:33:25,275
We need to ask her how much
this water laying here
633
00:33:25,275 --> 00:33:27,538
is going to impact him,
634
00:33:27,538 --> 00:33:29,239
because the ground
is going to be even colder
635
00:33:29,239 --> 00:33:31,281
because of the water,
I would think.
636
00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:36,386
And I don´t know how to watch
this dog to tell
637
00:33:36,386 --> 00:33:38,088
if he alerts to anything.
638
00:33:39,389 --> 00:33:40,751
He does sit?
639
00:33:40,751 --> 00:33:42,322
But he´s supposed
to sit.
640
00:33:42,322 --> 00:33:44,194
Well, I wouldn´t
if I was him.
641
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,233
I guess the dry only lasted
so far up the road.
642
00:34:03,574 --> 00:34:05,475
Any interest at all?
643
00:34:05,475 --> 00:34:07,417
There´s, like, a water catch
down there.
644
00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:09,550
Okay.
And working down there,
645
00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:11,652
Dexter kept pulling
to the right.
646
00:34:11,652 --> 00:34:14,625
It wasn´t really an alert,
but it was just different.
647
00:34:14,625 --> 00:34:16,557
Right.
You know, so I just --
648
00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:18,759
I wanted to get a second dog
out here to --
649
00:34:18,759 --> 00:34:20,360
To see.
I didn´t want to --
650
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,562
Like I told you, I didn´t
want to leave here
651
00:34:21,562 --> 00:34:23,493
and not have
the second dog run it.
652
00:34:23,493 --> 00:34:26,537
Scenario --
if she was buried here
653
00:34:26,537 --> 00:34:28,539
and she´s however many
feet deep
654
00:34:28,539 --> 00:34:31,341
and you´ve got water
laying on that...
655
00:34:31,341 --> 00:34:34,605
They´re going to be fine,
even though it´s been cold?
656
00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:39,580
Yeah, because
the water -- scent likes water.
657
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:43,654
So, like, even if you´ve got
something on land by water,
658
00:34:43,654 --> 00:34:45,816
a lot of times the dogs will hit
on the water first
659
00:34:45,816 --> 00:34:49,359
until they work it out,
because the water tends
660
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,462
to attract
the volatile molecules.
661
00:34:52,462 --> 00:34:54,464
Okay.
So...
662
00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:03,634
I see him back there now.
663
00:35:22,593 --> 00:35:23,754
Amazed.
664
00:35:23,754 --> 00:35:26,256
How´d we do? No?
665
00:35:26,256 --> 00:35:27,898
All right.
666
00:35:29,259 --> 00:35:30,801
I think it´s
that water catch,
667
00:35:30,801 --> 00:35:32,903
and there´s all kinds of odor
getting hung up there,
668
00:35:32,903 --> 00:35:34,535
and he was just
checking it out.
669
00:35:34,535 --> 00:35:37,337
Yeah, her dog did the same thing
out there too, so...
670
00:35:37,337 --> 00:35:39,269
Okay.
Good.
671
00:35:57,628 --> 00:35:59,660
Yeah.
672
00:36:01,762 --> 00:36:03,834
In this team --
this dog team coming down,
673
00:36:03,834 --> 00:36:08,468
there were alerts
on the hill in the general area
674
00:36:08,468 --> 00:36:12,402
where the witnesses
also saw Charlie Vines.
675
00:36:12,402 --> 00:36:15,706
The problem was there
was multiple alerts,
676
00:36:15,706 --> 00:36:18,579
and those alerts,
in totality,
677
00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:22,212
end up being
a large area as well,
678
00:36:22,212 --> 00:36:25,516
making it difficult to just
pinpoint where we needed to dig
679
00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:27,457
or where we didn´t need to dig.
680
00:36:27,457 --> 00:36:28,819
We had three different dogs,
681
00:36:28,819 --> 00:36:30,621
and somebody said,
the way these dogs work
682
00:36:30,621 --> 00:36:33,493
is if a dog gets a hit,
uh...
683
00:36:35,195 --> 00:36:37,728
...they don´t tell the other
dog handler where it hit.
684
00:36:39,369 --> 00:36:40,701
They´ll bring him to an area
and let that dog work.
685
00:36:40,701 --> 00:36:42,272
So essentially,
what we ended up with
686
00:36:42,272 --> 00:36:45,806
is we ended up
with three independent dogs.
687
00:36:45,806 --> 00:36:47,678
One at a time.
One at a time,
688
00:36:47,678 --> 00:36:50,581
three different times.
Actually, the one dog
689
00:36:50,581 --> 00:36:53,283
came back twice,
worked this area,
690
00:36:53,283 --> 00:36:57,447
and we got several alerts
right in this area.
691
00:36:57,447 --> 00:37:00,891
And so today
is just the day
692
00:37:00,891 --> 00:37:04,354
for us to come out here
with ERT --
693
00:37:04,354 --> 00:37:07,728
the FBI ERT --
and clean this area out.
694
00:37:07,728 --> 00:37:10,761
And we´re going to start digging
and see whether or not
695
00:37:10,761 --> 00:37:12,603
we have any positive results
based on that.
696
00:37:12,603 --> 00:37:14,765
We´ll keep our fingers crossed.
Yes.
697
00:37:36,527 --> 00:37:40,561
Just getting this in
and going to open it
698
00:37:40,561 --> 00:37:42,633
is really difficult.
699
00:37:45,666 --> 00:37:48,268
What I have to say to myself
is -- I mean,
700
00:37:48,268 --> 00:37:49,540
and what I believe
is we´re probably
701
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,941
not going to find anything.
702
00:37:50,941 --> 00:37:53,544
It´s just --
It is going to be what it is.
703
00:37:53,544 --> 00:37:55,275
There won´t be anything there.
There won´t be any matches.
704
00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:58,448
That makes sense. I think
everybody knows that it won´t,
705
00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:02,813
but just that hope that it will.
706
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:19,630
It makes me nervous.
It makes my heart hurt.
707
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,071
What are you doing, cat?
708
00:38:23,003 --> 00:38:27,678
So I´m going to open it
and see what it says.
709
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:33,684
And if there´s not a match,
we´ll just go on and know
710
00:38:33,684 --> 00:38:37,447
that, um,
we tried one more thing,
711
00:38:37,447 --> 00:38:41,552
you know, and that --
that´s what --
712
00:38:41,552 --> 00:38:43,053
that´s what this is about,
really,
713
00:38:43,053 --> 00:38:46,597
is just trying everything
that we can think of to try
714
00:38:46,597 --> 00:38:48,699
and knowing at the end
of every single day
715
00:38:48,699 --> 00:38:53,764
that I´ve done everything
that I can.
716
00:38:53,764 --> 00:38:56,006
You know, I think
it´s how I sleep at night.
717
00:38:56,006 --> 00:38:58,939
It´s how I go forward,
is knowing
718
00:38:58,939 --> 00:39:01,441
that I´m doing everything
that I can possibly think of.
719
00:39:01,441 --> 00:39:05,546
I´m doing everything
in my power to find her.
720
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,853
It is really difficult to do
721
00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:15,826
because when I´m sitting
in front of this link,
722
00:39:15,826 --> 00:39:18,989
if I´m not careful,
I´ll let my hope get too big
723
00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:21,832
and then the disappointment
is too big.
724
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:32,643
So it´s easier to...
725
00:39:35,045 --> 00:39:36,807
just assume...
726
00:39:42,052 --> 00:39:47,688
...that it will turn out to be
nothing, like things tend to do,
727
00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:50,160
and we´ll just go on.
728
00:40:20,821 --> 00:40:23,794
So it says zero starred matches.
729
00:40:25,626 --> 00:40:29,760
And 1,000 fourth cousins.
730
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,131
Or closer.
731
00:40:59,930 --> 00:41:01,892
Yeah.
732
00:41:06,096 --> 00:41:07,998
So that´s it.
733
00:41:13,473 --> 00:41:16,577
It says I´m Irish, which I knew.
734
00:41:25,185 --> 00:41:27,157
Can we stop?
735
00:41:43,904 --> 00:41:47,177
My mom involves me when she can.
736
00:41:47,177 --> 00:41:50,511
When I´m allowed to know
a lead or what´s going on,
737
00:41:50,511 --> 00:41:53,784
she will talk to me about it
and I can support her
738
00:41:53,784 --> 00:41:58,188
so that, you know,
she´s not so isolated.
739
00:41:58,188 --> 00:42:00,591
So I would say
I´m definitely more involved
740
00:42:00,591 --> 00:42:02,022
than I used to be as a kid.
741
00:42:02,022 --> 00:42:03,924
I don´t know if I have
a specific time
742
00:42:03,924 --> 00:42:06,156
that I remember my mother
telling me
743
00:42:06,156 --> 00:42:08,929
about what happened to Morgan
because I was so young.
744
00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:12,763
I just remember growing up,
my mom explaining to me
745
00:42:12,763 --> 00:42:15,866
that a family was looking
for a little girl
746
00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:18,669
to make a part of their family,
to love on,
747
00:42:18,669 --> 00:42:20,541
and they chose my sister.
748
00:42:20,541 --> 00:42:25,215
And while that made me very sad
and it broke my heart,
749
00:42:25,215 --> 00:42:28,619
I felt like she was safe,
she was taken care of.
750
00:42:28,619 --> 00:42:30,581
And it wasn´t until
I was older --
751
00:42:30,581 --> 00:42:32,082
I was early teens, actually --
752
00:42:32,082 --> 00:42:34,625
when Jaycee Dugard
was recovered,
753
00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:37,988
and I think People magazine
did an article on her,
754
00:42:37,988 --> 00:42:42,092
and that is when I realized
the abuse
755
00:42:42,092 --> 00:42:46,637
that most kidnapping victims
go through.
756
00:42:46,637 --> 00:42:48,899
And I´m so thankful
757
00:42:48,899 --> 00:42:51,602
that my mom sheltered me
for so long from that.
758
00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:54,975
I can´t imagine
how hard that was for her,
759
00:42:54,975 --> 00:42:57,077
to have all of that grief
760
00:42:57,077 --> 00:43:00,080
and to be able to put it
in a way
761
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,754
that my mind could comprehend.
762
00:43:03,754 --> 00:43:06,757
You know, we have home videos
and pictures of Morgan,
763
00:43:06,757 --> 00:43:11,021
and I see the love in her eyes
that she had for me
764
00:43:11,021 --> 00:43:13,724
and just the joy of her
being a big sister.
765
00:43:13,724 --> 00:43:16,627
And my mom actually has a video
of her singing to me.
766
00:43:16,627 --> 00:43:18,969
It´s just really sweet.
767
00:43:18,969 --> 00:43:21,271
I´ve always craved
that sister relationship
768
00:43:21,271 --> 00:43:23,303
that I see
a lot of my friends have,
769
00:43:23,303 --> 00:43:26,176
and knowing
that I would have had that,
770
00:43:26,176 --> 00:43:28,308
yeah, that hurts.
771
00:43:46,326 --> 00:43:47,828
Hold up, Rick.
772
00:43:47,828 --> 00:43:49,059
You want some help
down there?
773
00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:51,932
See, this is normal
for up here --
774
00:43:51,932 --> 00:43:55,105
to have that type of rocks
down in that clay.
775
00:43:55,105 --> 00:43:57,938
We -- this is where we may hit
that five foot
776
00:43:57,938 --> 00:44:00,971
until we hit bedrock.
777
00:44:04,815 --> 00:44:08,649
You think that´s rock?
Solid?
778
00:44:17,227 --> 00:44:21,091
We came in here,
went all the way to bedrock
779
00:44:21,091 --> 00:44:23,794
in the areas
that we were working yesterday,
780
00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:28,869
and it´s the area that the dog
concentrated on
781
00:44:28,869 --> 00:44:31,772
and absolutely
have not found anything.
782
00:44:31,772 --> 00:44:34,875
And so we´re working right now
in different areas
783
00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:39,079
that the dog came in and alerted
to and kind of working
784
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,352
our way back up the trail
that the dog showed us,
785
00:44:42,352 --> 00:44:44,955
and those areas to see whether
or not there´s anything there.
786
00:44:44,955 --> 00:44:47,958
But so far,
it´s turned up nothing.
787
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,361
A little frustrating.
788
00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:59,970
You know, there are days
when the grief of this...
789
00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:04,204
just, it takes me to my knees,
I´m just telling you.
790
00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:09,810
But at the end of that moment
or at the end of that day,
791
00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:12,142
I know that I have to keep
fighting for Morgan.
792
00:45:12,142 --> 00:45:14,214
If I´m not fighting
for Morgan, honestly,
793
00:45:14,214 --> 00:45:16,116
eventually, nobody else will.
794
00:45:16,116 --> 00:45:18,849
Are you done?
795
00:45:18,849 --> 00:45:20,490
Hey.
796
00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:21,992
Get it all out of there?
797
00:45:21,992 --> 00:45:24,294
Whatever -- once you get it
pushed in,
798
00:45:24,294 --> 00:45:25,856
I don´t know if you need
to pull this one out,
799
00:45:25,856 --> 00:45:28,298
but I think you can come
right through here. Huh?
800
00:45:28,298 --> 00:45:29,800
You want to do that tree?
801
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,763
If we have any question,
let´s do it.
802
00:45:32,763 --> 00:45:35,065
That´s the first place
that dog hit,
803
00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:36,737
but, I mean,
I´m at this point
804
00:45:36,737 --> 00:45:38,869
thinking this dog´s
full of shit.
805
00:45:38,869 --> 00:45:41,311
It feels disheartening.
I mean, it --
806
00:45:41,311 --> 00:45:44,144
You know, we talked about
whether or not this is Morgan
807
00:45:44,144 --> 00:45:46,246
or somebody else
that we´re looking for.
808
00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:48,218
We obviously feel like
this person´s capable
809
00:45:48,218 --> 00:45:50,921
of doing this type of stuff
or we wouldn´t be here.
810
00:45:50,921 --> 00:45:54,154
And so when you get your heart
set that there´s a potential
811
00:45:54,154 --> 00:45:56,757
you´re going
to do a recovery for a family
812
00:45:56,757 --> 00:45:59,960
and it comes up a zero,
it´s extremely disheartening.
813
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,034
It´s frustrating,
and there´s a feeling
814
00:46:04,034 --> 00:46:06,096
in this area of defeat,
but on the other side,
815
00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:07,538
we´ll just pick up
and keep going forward.
816
00:46:07,538 --> 00:46:09,870
That´s what we´ve done
for 24 years,
817
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:13,974
and we´re not going
to change it.
818
00:46:13,974 --> 00:46:17,307
My job is to make sure
that nobody loses the focus --
819
00:46:17,307 --> 00:46:20,180
that anybody who is involved
in her case
820
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:22,252
continues to fight for her
with passion.
821
00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:25,185
Not just checking boxes
and checking leads,
822
00:46:25,185 --> 00:46:27,317
but that they feel her
in their hearts
823
00:46:27,317 --> 00:46:30,921
and that they think about her
when they go home at night,
824
00:46:30,921 --> 00:46:34,525
and that they want to do
everything in their power
825
00:46:34,525 --> 00:46:37,227
to fight for her.
And if I don´t do that myself,
826
00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,970
I can´t expect other people
to do that.
827
00:46:48,038 --> 00:46:51,441
It´s insane that we live
in a world
828
00:46:51,441 --> 00:46:56,316
where someone can take a child
and we just don´t know
829
00:46:56,316 --> 00:46:59,219
what happened to them --
off the face of the earth,
830
00:46:59,219 --> 00:47:01,091
and we cannot find them.
831
00:47:01,091 --> 00:47:05,155
And we can´t allow that
to happen in our world.
832
00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:08,258
There´s no part of that
833
00:47:08,258 --> 00:47:10,300
that´s acceptable.
834
00:48:40,921 --> 00:48:43,624
We can change how that looks.
835
00:48:43,624 --> 00:48:46,997
We can change
that children wouldn´t be taken
836
00:48:46,997 --> 00:48:49,259
and that communities
are educated
837
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:51,361
and that law enforcement
knows how to respond
838
00:48:51,361 --> 00:48:55,966
and that predators get jail
sentences that don´t allow them
839
00:48:55,966 --> 00:48:59,610
to get out again
and commit these kind of crimes.
840
00:49:27,367 --> 00:49:30,300
A day Minnesotans
will never forget,
841
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:32,543
full of tears,
sorrow, and heartache.
842
00:49:32,543 --> 00:49:35,305
After 27 years, we finally know
843
00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:36,747
what happened
to Jacob Wetterling.
844
00:49:36,747 --> 00:49:38,549
And it took nearly
three decades,
845
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:42,152
but answers about Jacob´s fate
finally came out in court.
846
00:49:42,152 --> 00:49:44,414
You know, we really
did not know what to expect
847
00:49:44,414 --> 00:49:46,717
here at the federal courthouse
at 1:00 today,
848
00:49:46,717 --> 00:49:49,359
and then there was this surreal
moment in the courtroom --
849
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,191
I´ll never forget it --
when you realized
850
00:49:51,191 --> 00:49:53,624
we are about ready to find out
exactly what happened
851
00:49:53,624 --> 00:49:55,566
to Jacob Wetterling,
and we´re about ready to
852
00:49:55,566 --> 00:49:57,227
hear it from the man who did it.
68622
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