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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,312 --> 00:00:10,706 Joan Jett: Ever since I wanted to play guitar-- 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,534 when I was about 13, 3 00:00:12,708 --> 00:00:14,101 I asked my parents for a guitar for Christmas. 4 00:00:14,275 --> 00:00:16,277 And they kind of thought, you know, 5 00:00:16,494 --> 00:00:18,192 that's strange, but they got it for me. 6 00:00:18,366 --> 00:00:20,020 It's like this thing you get at Sears, you know, 7 00:00:20,194 --> 00:00:22,892 Thirty dollars, you get the guitar and the amp. 8 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:25,938 I was really excited. I had no idea how to play it. 9 00:00:26,287 --> 00:00:27,897 But I got it plugged in, and I just sat there 10 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:28,941 on the low "E" string... 11 00:00:29,116 --> 00:00:31,988 [strumming note] 12 00:00:32,206 --> 00:00:36,079 ...for hours, and drove my parents absolutely insane. 13 00:00:36,688 --> 00:00:39,126 Then I wanted to learn how to play 14 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:42,129 and went and took a lesson, and the guy said, 15 00:00:42,477 --> 00:00:44,174 "Girls don't play rock 'n' roll." 16 00:00:44,348 --> 00:00:46,872 # I don't give a damn 'bout my reputation # 17 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:51,268 # I've never been afraid of any deviation # 18 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:55,533 # An' I don't really care if you think I'm strange # 19 00:00:55,968 --> 00:00:57,883 # I ain't gonna change # 20 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:00,451 # An' I'm never gonna care 'bout my bad reputation # 21 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:04,977 # Oh, no No, no, no, no, no, no # 22 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:07,110 # Not me Me, me, me, me, me, me # 23 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:09,504 # Oh, no No, no, no, no, no, no # 24 00:01:09,678 --> 00:01:11,593 # Not me Me, me, me, me, me, me # 25 00:01:11,767 --> 00:01:13,247 # Pedal, boys! # 26 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:22,299 # Not me! # 27 00:01:23,039 --> 00:01:26,086 Growing up in the '70s, it was sort of a feminism, 28 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:29,654 and I didn't think that it would be such a big deal 29 00:01:29,828 --> 00:01:31,830 for a girl to try to play rock 'n' roll. 30 00:01:32,353 --> 00:01:36,270 # ["Rebel Rebel" by David Bowie plays] # 31 00:01:50,806 --> 00:01:52,764 Joan: I'd started reading about this club 32 00:01:52,938 --> 00:01:54,201 probably when I was 12, 33 00:01:54,462 --> 00:01:56,203 Rodney Bingenheimer's English Disco. 34 00:01:58,030 --> 00:02:00,120 Man: He was the first to play records by Blondie, 35 00:02:00,294 --> 00:02:03,340 The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and Nirvana, to name a few. 36 00:02:05,473 --> 00:02:09,041 Joan: They'd play Bowie, and they'd play T. Rex, 37 00:02:09,259 --> 00:02:11,870 Iggy Pop, Suzi Quatro, who I'd never heard of, 38 00:02:12,044 --> 00:02:13,481 who was this girl playing bass. 39 00:02:13,655 --> 00:02:15,439 It was a disco for teenagers. 40 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:17,615 If you were, like, 21, you were already too old, 41 00:02:18,007 --> 00:02:21,445 though rock stars of that era would come in. 42 00:02:21,663 --> 00:02:24,709 I was a naive kid, so going to Hollywood, 43 00:02:25,057 --> 00:02:26,363 it was a big night out. 44 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:28,278 I talked some kids to come with me, 45 00:02:28,452 --> 00:02:31,107 and there were guys and girls with tons of makeup on 46 00:02:31,281 --> 00:02:34,023 and crazy hairdos and lots of glitter 47 00:02:34,197 --> 00:02:37,113 and really short skirts and dresses and fishnets, 48 00:02:37,287 --> 00:02:39,028 and it was just, "What the fuck is this?" 49 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:41,857 A club full of a bunch of weirdos 50 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:45,295 living in a city that's known to be full of weirdos. 51 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:47,341 # I love you so # 52 00:02:47,515 --> 00:02:49,386 # ["Get It On" by T. Rex plays] # 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,868 Joan: And they're blasting all this raunchy and dirty-- 54 00:02:53,042 --> 00:02:55,000 but clean dirty, you know, like playing on 55 00:02:55,262 --> 00:02:57,481 double entendres and stuff like that, 56 00:02:57,655 --> 00:02:59,527 and some of it was straight-up dirtier. 57 00:02:59,701 --> 00:03:03,792 That music hit you in a spot you couldn't really describe, 58 00:03:03,966 --> 00:03:06,403 and it made you want to do it and there was something... 59 00:03:07,839 --> 00:03:09,189 down there. 60 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:11,365 As you're a kid, you can't put your finger on it yet, 61 00:03:11,539 --> 00:03:12,757 so to speak. 62 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:14,672 I'm walking into all these dirty jokes. 63 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:16,631 I only remember the sex. 64 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:19,068 I don't remember anything else about LA at all, apparently. 65 00:03:19,329 --> 00:03:21,157 Evelyn McDonnell: There was a kind of depravity 66 00:03:21,331 --> 00:03:23,551 going on in Los Angeles at that time. 67 00:03:23,725 --> 00:03:27,119 Quaaludes were really important to understanding 68 00:03:27,468 --> 00:03:30,949 1970s rock 'n' roll culture in California. 69 00:03:31,123 --> 00:03:32,777 Don Bolles: I think everyone was into Quaaludes then, 70 00:03:32,951 --> 00:03:35,432 'cause you could. Quaaludes were a ridiculous drug, 71 00:03:35,606 --> 00:03:37,304 but everyone seemed to like them. 72 00:03:37,478 --> 00:03:40,611 They were young suburban kids out to wreak havoc, 73 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:43,571 and get the hell away from the suburbs and their parents. 74 00:03:43,745 --> 00:03:45,442 It was just a nutty time. 75 00:03:45,616 --> 00:03:48,053 Evelyn: Again, this was coming out of Stonewall, 76 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,230 the start of the gay liberation movement. 77 00:03:50,404 --> 00:03:52,667 The nuclear bomb has gone off in the nuclear family. 78 00:03:54,669 --> 00:03:57,193 # Bye-bye... # 79 00:03:57,454 --> 00:03:59,108 Joan: My mother and I used to go to the movies 80 00:03:59,282 --> 00:04:00,327 pretty much every weekend. 81 00:04:00,501 --> 00:04:02,677 We went to go seeCabaret. 82 00:04:02,851 --> 00:04:05,375 Really blew my mind. I loved Liza Minnelli. 83 00:04:05,549 --> 00:04:07,769 I loved the combination of the campiness, 84 00:04:08,073 --> 00:04:10,685 1920s Germany, and the flapper girl vibe. 85 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,601 So obviously being around a place like Rodney's, 86 00:04:13,775 --> 00:04:15,342 that was campy, too. 87 00:04:15,516 --> 00:04:17,996 It was exactly the sort of vibe inCabaret. 88 00:04:18,649 --> 00:04:20,782 # You're better off without me... # 89 00:04:21,043 --> 00:04:25,003 Joan: But whatever happened, Cabaret, Hollywood, 90 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:29,443 and the idea about playing music all fused into one. 91 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:31,619 Rodney Bingenheimer: I always called Joan Jett 92 00:04:31,793 --> 00:04:34,012 and David Bowie "time travelers" 93 00:04:34,796 --> 00:04:37,712 because they're into all this music before it happens. 94 00:04:37,886 --> 00:04:40,410 Joan: At one point, I met a girl, and she wrote lyrics. 95 00:04:40,671 --> 00:04:43,587 Kari Krome was just another kid like me 96 00:04:43,761 --> 00:04:47,199 hanging out at the Disco, and she said, you know, 97 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:49,376 "Maybe you should talk to my publisher. 98 00:04:49,637 --> 00:04:51,029 His name's Kim Fowley." 99 00:04:51,247 --> 00:04:53,205 He called me up one day and, you know, 100 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:55,251 "So-and-so says you want to form a band." 101 00:04:55,425 --> 00:04:57,601 I said, "Yeah, I want to form an all-girl band. 102 00:04:57,949 --> 00:04:59,255 I can't be the only girl in Hollywood 103 00:04:59,429 --> 00:05:00,778 that wants to do this." 104 00:05:00,952 --> 00:05:02,650 He said, "Well, do you have any demos?" 105 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:04,739 I didn't even know what a demo was. 106 00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:08,133 A couple days later, it happened that Sandy West, 107 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:10,179 who was the drummer of The Runaways, 108 00:05:10,397 --> 00:05:13,487 she drove up with some friends to hang out at the Rainbow, 109 00:05:13,791 --> 00:05:16,707 the Rainbow parking lot, which is a place 110 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:19,710 where people go to watch stars, and people would hobnob 111 00:05:19,884 --> 00:05:21,799 and shoot the shit for a few hours, 112 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:23,801 and she went up to him saying... 113 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:26,413 Sandy West: I said, "Hi, you know, I play drums, 114 00:05:26,761 --> 00:05:28,502 and I'm in a band right now." 115 00:05:28,763 --> 00:05:31,069 He goes, "How old are you?" "Well, I'm 15 and a half." 116 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:32,941 He says, "You're kidding me." 117 00:05:33,202 --> 00:05:34,769 He goes, "I'm working with a girl right now who's 14. 118 00:05:34,943 --> 00:05:36,553 I think she knows a friend out in the Valley 119 00:05:36,727 --> 00:05:38,860 who plays electric guitar." Turned out to be Joan. 120 00:05:39,077 --> 00:05:41,079 She arrived a couple weeks later 121 00:05:41,253 --> 00:05:43,125 with her little Sears guitar in hand, 122 00:05:43,299 --> 00:05:44,735 three buses and four hours later 123 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:46,258 from Canoga Park to Huntington Beach, 124 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:47,738 and she had such great rhythm 125 00:05:47,912 --> 00:05:49,436 that hit it off so well together. 126 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,263 Picked up the phone, called Kim, 127 00:05:51,438 --> 00:05:52,830 said, "Listen to this," and we played 128 00:05:53,004 --> 00:05:54,832 some sort of Chuck Berry-ish thing 129 00:05:55,006 --> 00:05:56,530 or maybe "Wild Thing." 130 00:05:57,487 --> 00:05:58,532 # Wild thing # 131 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:02,536 # You make my heart sing # 132 00:06:04,494 --> 00:06:06,235 # You make everything # 133 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:07,802 # Come on... # 134 00:06:08,672 --> 00:06:11,414 Joan: Man, Sandy, we really connected. 135 00:06:12,241 --> 00:06:14,765 That was the genesis of The Runaways. 136 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:16,463 It was the heart. 137 00:06:16,854 --> 00:06:19,030 Interviewer: What were your first impressions of LA? 138 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:23,252 It was Rodney and Kim Fowley walking down somewhere together. 139 00:06:23,426 --> 00:06:26,429 Kim Fowley looked like Frankenstein 140 00:06:26,603 --> 00:06:28,431 if Frankenstein was on crack. 141 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:35,133 He had produced a couple of very obscure novelty hits. 142 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:37,397 I think he was involved with something 143 00:06:37,571 --> 00:06:39,964 called "Alley Oop" by the Hollywood Argyles. 144 00:06:40,138 --> 00:06:41,618 I always loved the song. 145 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:43,881 # There's a cat in the funny papers # 146 00:06:44,055 --> 00:06:46,754 # We all know Alley oop-oop # 147 00:06:47,145 --> 00:06:48,886 # Oop, oop-oop # 148 00:06:49,278 --> 00:06:52,020 # He lived way back A long time ago # 149 00:06:52,281 --> 00:06:53,195 Et cetera. 150 00:06:54,109 --> 00:06:57,068 He flirted around with working with me, 151 00:06:57,242 --> 00:06:59,114 and I really didn't want to get too involved. 152 00:06:59,331 --> 00:07:02,291 One day, he said, "Well, I've got a group going, 153 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:04,685 and they are The Runaways." 154 00:07:05,033 --> 00:07:08,602 Kim Fowley: I said, "Joan, let's go to the Sugar Shack 155 00:07:08,819 --> 00:07:11,387 because there will be some girls out there 156 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:13,171 who will know who you are." 157 00:07:13,345 --> 00:07:14,651 Joan: We had a three-piece lineup 158 00:07:14,869 --> 00:07:16,392 that we created in the first month, 159 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:18,438 but I was so shy at this point, 160 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:21,310 it was obvious I couldn't sing lead. 161 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:23,443 You know, I was-- I was too shy, 162 00:07:23,617 --> 00:07:26,620 and I was embarrassed kind of to be on stage. 163 00:07:27,011 --> 00:07:30,580 Kim: The whole room was full of miniature lipstick lesbian 164 00:07:30,754 --> 00:07:33,365 teenage girls, and then you had the gay boys 165 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:34,976 who were mincing around. 166 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,195 # ["Blockbuster" by The Sweet plays] # 167 00:07:37,369 --> 00:07:40,155 Kim: And a girl, Cherie Currie, walked up 168 00:07:40,329 --> 00:07:42,636 and in a stage whisper said, "That's Joan Jett!" 169 00:07:42,897 --> 00:07:44,681 # You better watch out if you got long black hair # 170 00:07:44,855 --> 00:07:46,683 Cherie Currie: I had heard about The Runaways. 171 00:07:46,857 --> 00:07:48,903 And there was this little bit of a buzz going on 172 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:51,993 about this teenage rock group, so when I met her, it was-- 173 00:07:52,297 --> 00:07:55,126 you know, it was a little, "Wow, it's Joan!" 174 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:57,433 Kim: I said, "You're either cruising her 175 00:07:57,607 --> 00:07:59,609 because you're a dyke, or you want to be 176 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:01,089 the lead singer of The Runaways. 177 00:08:01,263 --> 00:08:02,830 Can you sing?" "Yes." 178 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:04,875 "Good, you're gonna audition tomorrow." 179 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:07,225 And then she brought her twin sister up. 180 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:09,576 And I said, "I'm not interested in a sister act. 181 00:08:09,793 --> 00:08:13,449 I'm interested in one Brigitte Bardot 182 00:08:13,797 --> 00:08:18,976 fronting the screaming, loud, obnoxious, rebellious girls 183 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:20,761 who can take over the world." 184 00:08:20,935 --> 00:08:22,414 And everybody had big smiles on their faces. 185 00:08:22,589 --> 00:08:23,938 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." 186 00:08:24,242 --> 00:08:26,027 - Announcer: The Runaways! - [crowd cheering] 187 00:08:26,201 --> 00:08:29,378 Joan: I think Sandy came across Lita by December of '75. 188 00:08:29,596 --> 00:08:32,033 The three-piece was over, and we had Cherie 189 00:08:32,337 --> 00:08:34,514 and a bass player named Jackie Fox. 190 00:08:35,427 --> 00:08:38,518 # Can't stay at home, can't stay at school # 191 00:08:38,692 --> 00:08:41,869 # Old folks say "You poor little fool" # 192 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:45,176 # Down the street I'm the girl next door # 193 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:48,484 # I'm the fox You've been waiting for # 194 00:08:48,658 --> 00:08:51,618 # Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom # 195 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:54,751 # I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-- Cherry bomb # 196 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,233 # Hello, world I'm your wild girl # 197 00:08:58,407 --> 00:09:01,541 # I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch Cherry bomb # 198 00:09:01,715 --> 00:09:03,673 Joan: Kim and I wrote "Cherry Bomb" on the spot 199 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,545 when Cherie came to audition, 200 00:09:05,719 --> 00:09:08,983 and it became such an iconic song for The Runaways. 201 00:09:09,157 --> 00:09:11,942 # Bad nights Causing teenage blues # 202 00:09:12,116 --> 00:09:15,424 # Get down, ladies You've got nothin' to lose # 203 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:16,904 Kim: When we were putting The Runaways together, 204 00:09:17,078 --> 00:09:18,862 it was based on Darwin. 205 00:09:19,036 --> 00:09:22,257 Let's start with the evolution of a man in show business. 206 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:24,955 # Hello, world I'm your wild girl # 207 00:09:25,129 --> 00:09:27,523 # I'm your ch-ch-ch... # 208 00:09:27,697 --> 00:09:29,525 Kim: The guys just kept getting more and more 209 00:09:29,699 --> 00:09:31,222 and more and more feminine. 210 00:09:32,049 --> 00:09:34,617 Elvis was feminine. Sinatra was feminine. 211 00:09:34,791 --> 00:09:36,271 Bing Crosby was feminine, 212 00:09:36,488 --> 00:09:38,142 but if you keep getting more and more feminine, 213 00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:40,580 you're gonna get to female, duh. 214 00:09:42,277 --> 00:09:45,497 # Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom... # 215 00:09:45,672 --> 00:09:47,717 Joan: What Jimi Hendrix said about women 216 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:49,240 playing rock 'n' roll 217 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:52,156 and when they do, they'll be looked at like aliens. 218 00:09:52,461 --> 00:09:54,376 In our case, it was absolutely true. 219 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:56,334 # Cherry bomb! # 220 00:09:56,508 --> 00:09:58,293 Kim: If you look at the lyrics of The Runaways, 221 00:09:58,554 --> 00:10:01,426 you'll find that there is an openness 222 00:10:01,731 --> 00:10:04,734 that most teenage girls did not have in real life. 223 00:10:05,343 --> 00:10:06,954 Joan: Everything happened really fast. 224 00:10:07,128 --> 00:10:10,087 We were playing gigs. We were in the studio. 225 00:10:10,261 --> 00:10:12,176 We just cut the tracks live. 226 00:10:12,873 --> 00:10:15,484 I was so into this idea 227 00:10:15,658 --> 00:10:17,791 of girls being able to play rock 'n' roll, 228 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:21,055 and that they'll play as well as boys will, 229 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:23,361 and girls playing rock 'n' roll 230 00:10:23,535 --> 00:10:25,625 would be so cool and sexy 231 00:10:25,842 --> 00:10:27,148 because it's never been done. 232 00:10:27,801 --> 00:10:29,324 I thought everybody would love it. 233 00:10:30,194 --> 00:10:31,761 Once they realized it was serious 234 00:10:31,935 --> 00:10:34,198 and we planned to make an album and go on tour 235 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:36,723 and do everything the male bands were doing, 236 00:10:36,897 --> 00:10:38,681 the tables turned where it went from, 237 00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:45,557 "Oh, cute, sweet," to "Slut, whore, cunt." 238 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:48,256 I've been hurt. 239 00:10:48,430 --> 00:10:50,867 I've had my head split open by a beer bottle, 240 00:10:51,476 --> 00:10:55,785 a rib cracked by getting a battery thrown at me, 241 00:10:55,959 --> 00:11:00,703 like, a big metal rig thing just because I was a girl. 242 00:11:01,008 --> 00:11:02,705 You know, get spit on. 243 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:05,229 I mean, I just felt like I couldn't leave the stage. 244 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:07,884 You know, I'd go off afterwards and cry 245 00:11:08,319 --> 00:11:10,582 just because they didn't get it, and then I'd feel better 246 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:12,672 after I'd-- you know, cried a little bit, going, 247 00:11:12,846 --> 00:11:17,677 "Why? What's with that, that people need to be so hateful 248 00:11:17,851 --> 00:11:19,635 because you're playing rock 'n' roll," you know? 249 00:11:19,809 --> 00:11:21,158 Some of the other girls got tired of it, 250 00:11:21,376 --> 00:11:22,377 and I don't blame them. 251 00:11:22,551 --> 00:11:23,987 It was just that to me, 252 00:11:24,161 --> 00:11:25,249 it felt like that's what I had to do. 253 00:11:25,554 --> 00:11:27,034 Tell me I can't do something, 254 00:11:27,208 --> 00:11:28,775 and you'll make sure I'm gonna be doing it. 255 00:11:29,036 --> 00:11:31,560 Rodney: Hey, I heard a story, a rumor. 256 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:33,257 Someplace where you're rehearsing, 257 00:11:33,475 --> 00:11:35,216 what were you guys wearing during the rehearsal? 258 00:11:36,217 --> 00:11:37,479 I heard it was so hot, 259 00:11:37,871 --> 00:11:39,089 the air conditioner broke down, and... 260 00:11:39,263 --> 00:11:40,134 Joan: What do you want to hear, 261 00:11:40,308 --> 00:11:42,092 "Yeah, we took off our pants"? 262 00:11:42,266 --> 00:11:44,616 Joan: I remember early on, one of my first interviews 263 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:48,620 where people probably asked me about sex in the band. 264 00:11:48,795 --> 00:11:52,581 And I thought to myself, if I answer this question, 265 00:11:53,582 --> 00:11:56,803 that's all The Runaways' music will ever be about, is sex. 266 00:11:57,499 --> 00:12:00,981 I have to talk about music. It has to be about music. 267 00:12:01,416 --> 00:12:05,768 Because just being girls exudes that sexuality. 268 00:12:05,986 --> 00:12:07,596 We don't have to talk about it. 269 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:09,032 Joan: [on recording] They don't know 270 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:10,468 what to say about an all-girl band 271 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:12,209 besides the fact that we're just a band. 272 00:12:12,644 --> 00:12:14,516 They don't know where to put us, and so they just say, well, 273 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:16,561 we're young, we sing about, you know, 274 00:12:16,779 --> 00:12:18,607 slightly outrageous things, rebellious things. 275 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:20,652 So they stick us in that field. 276 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:22,524 Chris Stein: I was sitting around my house, 277 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:24,569 and I found an old copy ofCrawdaddy magazine, 278 00:12:24,787 --> 00:12:26,833 it was a review of The Runaways 279 00:12:27,007 --> 00:12:30,140 where the guy just slammed the shit out of them. 280 00:12:30,358 --> 00:12:32,664 The stuff he didn't like about them is all the stuff 281 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:34,362 that everybody loves now, 282 00:12:34,536 --> 00:12:37,669 the fact that they were young and sexy and female. 283 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:39,541 Debbie Harry: We were all sort of rejects 284 00:12:39,715 --> 00:12:41,108 in terms of the industry. 285 00:12:41,673 --> 00:12:44,067 A lot of the criticism that was heaped on them 286 00:12:44,502 --> 00:12:46,678 was very negative and condescending 287 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:49,333 and, you know, misogynistic. 288 00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:51,031 Billie Joe Armstrong: Especially with mainstream press 289 00:12:51,205 --> 00:12:52,597 in, like, the mid-'70s, 290 00:12:52,902 --> 00:12:54,643 You know, people are fucking stupid, 291 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:57,167 and they'll do anything to create an article, 292 00:12:57,341 --> 00:12:58,865 to create some kind of outrage. 293 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:01,955 Joan: Rolling Stone hated The Runaways. 294 00:13:02,129 --> 00:13:03,913 The only time they wrote about us, 295 00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:07,090 "Runaways get arrested and thrown out of Disney World." 296 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:09,223 We were in a line taking a photo, 297 00:13:09,614 --> 00:13:11,616 and we put our arms around each other walking. 298 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:14,881 "That's it! Lesbians, out!" 299 00:13:15,055 --> 00:13:16,883 But if you listen to The Runaways, 300 00:13:17,144 --> 00:13:19,799 those are bad-ass rock songs, and they kick the shit 301 00:13:19,973 --> 00:13:22,889 out of almost everything else that was out at that time. 302 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:25,065 #["All Right You Guys" by The Runaways plays] # 303 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:27,937 Kim: Women were stepping out as rebels. 304 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:29,983 Women were getting pissed off in the culture. 305 00:13:30,157 --> 00:13:32,855 They were getting out there and kicking some heads. 306 00:13:33,073 --> 00:13:34,770 The guys were turning into fags, 307 00:13:34,944 --> 00:13:37,991 and the women were turning into John Wayne. 308 00:13:38,861 --> 00:13:42,299 # Hey, you, the air Is pretty thick tonight... # 309 00:13:42,647 --> 00:13:44,345 Joan: At this point, there were signs 310 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:46,651 the women's-lib movement was really taking root. 311 00:13:47,304 --> 00:13:49,002 It showed so much promise. 312 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:51,831 All it meant to us was that we could do what we want. 313 00:13:52,005 --> 00:13:55,051 # We don't care what we do Is right as long as we do it # 314 00:13:56,313 --> 00:13:58,707 # We don't care What we do is right... # 315 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:01,841 Joan: Kim took us to see Clockwork Orange 316 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:03,973 andRollerball, and afterwards, 317 00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:06,541 he turned to me and Cherie and said, 318 00:14:06,802 --> 00:14:08,543 "That's what I want The Runaways to be." 319 00:14:08,717 --> 00:14:10,937 What he did in rehearsal, you know, 320 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:12,982 throwing stuff at us, calling us names, 321 00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:14,766 that was our boot camp. 322 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:17,334 We were preparing for exactly what we walked into. 323 00:14:17,508 --> 00:14:19,641 Kim could come off pretty intense, 324 00:14:19,815 --> 00:14:21,643 but I wasn't afraid of him. 325 00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:24,515 Evelyn: Kim is the, you know, most controversial part 326 00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:25,821 of The Runaways. 327 00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:27,867 There were people who loved Kim, 328 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:30,347 and there are people who actually despise him 329 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:32,872 and think he was a kind of Satan. 330 00:14:33,046 --> 00:14:34,961 Joan: My mother liked Kim, 331 00:14:35,135 --> 00:14:37,093 and he would be on the phone with her for hours. 332 00:14:37,267 --> 00:14:39,400 He talked to her a lot, you know, I mean, 333 00:14:39,574 --> 00:14:41,097 probably more than any of the other mothers 334 00:14:41,315 --> 00:14:43,230 and was probably the most friends with her. 335 00:14:43,447 --> 00:14:45,841 I think she felt reassured, but she also knew 336 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,583 how the other mothers were hesitant. 337 00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:52,413 My parents told me I could be anything 338 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:54,763 I wanted to be when I was five years old, 339 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:55,764 and I believed them. 340 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:57,592 So that's the attitude 341 00:14:57,766 --> 00:14:59,463 as a young child that I took into life. 342 00:14:59,637 --> 00:15:01,901 I wanted to be an astronaut. I wanted to be an archaeologist. 343 00:15:02,075 --> 00:15:03,467 I wanted to be all different things. 344 00:15:03,641 --> 00:15:05,078 You know, I didn't realize, really, 345 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:07,907 there was this glass ceiling. 346 00:15:08,081 --> 00:15:10,953 When they got me that guitar for Christmas, 347 00:15:11,214 --> 00:15:13,216 the electric guitar, I was thinking, 348 00:15:13,434 --> 00:15:15,044 most parents wouldn't do that. 349 00:15:15,218 --> 00:15:16,741 Anne Larkin: She always had this inner confidence 350 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,134 that she knew what she wanted. 351 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:19,831 She didn't care what anybody else thought, 352 00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:23,052 even when she was young, and it's, you know, 353 00:15:23,226 --> 00:15:26,795 the single vision, and that's how she was, always. 354 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:30,755 Joan: My rebellion, as they say, was not against my parents. 355 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:32,583 What I saw, that society, 356 00:15:32,757 --> 00:15:35,151 with all this lip service to women, 357 00:15:35,891 --> 00:15:39,199 women's lib and all that, I saw that it was... bull. 358 00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:43,290 ### Rows and flows of angel hair ## 359 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:48,948 # And ice cream castles In the air # 360 00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:51,037 There were a lot of girls 361 00:15:51,211 --> 00:15:55,084 who didn't want to be Joni Mitchell, you know? 362 00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:56,738 They wanted to rock. 363 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,219 The heaviest ones would drink with you, 364 00:15:59,393 --> 00:16:00,960 do everything with you, 365 00:16:01,134 --> 00:16:04,267 but they were always in that sidecar role, 366 00:16:04,441 --> 00:16:06,052 and then along came The Runaways. 367 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:09,098 Joan Jett was nobody's sidecar. 368 00:16:09,751 --> 00:16:14,234 #[playing "Neon Angels on the Road to Ruin"] # 369 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,065 Evelyn: It was a very male-dominated 370 00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:21,241 rock-'n'-roll scene in the 1970s, 371 00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:24,505 and the women that were making music at that time 372 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,291 were in kind of stereotypical, "I'm a singer-songwriter," 373 00:16:28,465 --> 00:16:29,945 had a different kind of cultural power. 374 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,382 # In overdrive # 375 00:16:33,122 --> 00:16:35,211 # Cobra kings # 376 00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,779 # Wet and wild # 377 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:43,263 # Love the devil That's in your smile # 378 00:16:43,872 --> 00:16:46,396 # Let me tell you What we've been doin' # 379 00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:49,182 # Neon angels On the road to ruin # 380 00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:51,880 # Let me tell you What we've been doin' # 381 00:16:52,054 --> 00:16:55,666 # Neon angels On the road to ruin # 382 00:16:56,972 --> 00:17:00,280 Evelyn: Rock radio did not play a lot of women artists. 383 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:03,065 The FM stations at the time, 384 00:17:03,283 --> 00:17:05,024 there'd only be one female artist 385 00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:06,982 on the air per hour. 386 00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:10,420 This was like a literal policy of radio stations. 387 00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:14,468 # Let me tell you What we've been doin' # 388 00:17:14,642 --> 00:17:16,905 # Neon angels On the road to ruin... # 389 00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:18,515 How many radio stations are playing 390 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:20,387 this kind of music in the United States now? 391 00:17:20,691 --> 00:17:22,693 - Do we know? - I would think almost none. 392 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:24,782 Maybe like one or two in New York, one or two in LA. 393 00:17:26,697 --> 00:17:28,830 Tom Snyder: But from what I've read about it, there's no music. 394 00:17:29,004 --> 00:17:31,963 It's just chords and ranting and raving and putdowns. 395 00:17:32,138 --> 00:17:37,273 - Uh-uh-uh-uh. - No, it's more than that. 396 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:39,580 I think it's a B-movie on record. 397 00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:41,930 They were young, they were hot, 398 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:44,541 and their music spoke about who they were 399 00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,456 and about their generation. 400 00:17:46,761 --> 00:17:49,720 I mean, it was heartfelt and mentally correct. 401 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,809 Kim: I feel it's a vacuum 402 00:17:51,983 --> 00:17:53,942 because we're living in a fragmented '70s 403 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:56,640 where there's so many different things happening 404 00:17:56,988 --> 00:17:59,643 that there isn't one Beatles or one Elvis Presley. 405 00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:02,994 It hasn't come yet, and here we are almost in 1980, 406 00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:05,649 and we're still looking over our shoulders at the '60s. 407 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:07,999 Joan: There's an inflection point in every generation 408 00:18:08,174 --> 00:18:10,219 where new ideas bubble to the surface 409 00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:12,439 and express themselves in new ways. 410 00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,963 The world had never seen a band like us. 411 00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:19,620 I felt that England got us more and did take us seriously. 412 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:22,362 Cherie: We were selling out wherever we went. 413 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,408 # ["Pretty Vacant" by the Sex Pistols plays] # 414 00:18:26,148 --> 00:18:27,715 Joan: They seemed to get it. 415 00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:31,066 Kids my age in England had a much wider exposure 416 00:18:31,284 --> 00:18:33,634 to different kinds of music and would embrace it. 417 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:37,594 The Sex Pistols were a huge part of the British punk scene. 418 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:40,945 We got a chance to see some of the punk stuff up close. 419 00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:42,643 Really influenced me. 420 00:18:43,034 --> 00:18:44,862 So I kind of went over as a glitter person, 421 00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,560 came home dressed as a punk. 422 00:18:47,865 --> 00:18:50,825 # There's no point in asking, You'll get no reply # 423 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,262 Joan: Yeah, so I used to buy a lot of my accessories 424 00:18:53,436 --> 00:18:56,831 at a sex store, S&M fetish store 425 00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,746 called The Pleasure Chest. 426 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,488 I bought this great ring belt, and I used to wear that. 427 00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:03,925 We were hanging out on a houseboat 428 00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:08,582 that we had rented for a month to record in London. 429 00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:11,628 Sid and Nancy came over to the houseboat one night, 430 00:19:12,325 --> 00:19:16,851 and he liked my belt, and so I gave it to him. 431 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,334 Sally Hershberger: Nobody in the United States 432 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,641 was wearing, like, safety pins on their leather jacket 433 00:19:24,815 --> 00:19:26,687 and all the chains... 434 00:19:26,861 --> 00:19:30,430 and, you know. She was a real punk rocker in California. 435 00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:33,084 Nobody was a punk rocker. I mean, she lived that. 436 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:35,174 # 'Cause we know What we feel... # 437 00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:38,438 [perky intro music playing] 438 00:19:38,612 --> 00:19:41,310 Announcer: The Runaways from USA. 439 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:43,399 Joan: Thank you, we're really happy to be here. 440 00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:47,229 [music continues] 441 00:19:49,362 --> 00:19:51,059 Joan: When we got to Japan, you know, 442 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:54,193 that's when I felt, "Wow, thousands of girls, 443 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:56,369 like, treating you like the Beatles." 444 00:19:56,543 --> 00:19:58,371 I mean... I know it sounds funny. 445 00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:00,111 That's the only way you could describe it. 446 00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,679 [crowd clamoring] 447 00:20:05,595 --> 00:20:07,684 Joan: They love their music stars over there, 448 00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:10,165 but it felt like we tapped into something else 449 00:20:10,339 --> 00:20:11,558 with female audiences. 450 00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:13,777 I thought it was exhilarating, 451 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:16,911 but just because I thought "That's powerful, man, 452 00:20:17,085 --> 00:20:18,608 it's all girls." 453 00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:20,131 The more I thought about it, I realized, 454 00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:22,090 "Wait, Japanese women 455 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,223 are treated sort of like second-class citizens there. 456 00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:26,268 So these teenage girls were feeling 457 00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:30,011 the power of The Runaways saying, "No, we can do it." 458 00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:32,274 The studio audiences went nuts. 459 00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:35,582 - [audience cheering] - Oh, God. Oh, boy. [laughs] 460 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,410 Okay, why don't you just tell me about... 461 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:39,368 Oh, they all know you very well, 462 00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:43,285 but why don't you tell me about how this band was made? 463 00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:45,374 It wasn't until Japan 464 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,158 where we actually got a paycheck. 465 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:48,812 We knew something was wrong 466 00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:51,162 when we weren't really getting paid. 467 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:53,295 We'd have to ask for money for Tampax 468 00:20:53,469 --> 00:20:55,036 or a hamburger on the road, 469 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:56,951 and there was always some excuse, 470 00:20:57,168 --> 00:20:58,735 but yet we were selling out everywhere, 471 00:20:58,953 --> 00:21:00,520 and there were the t-shirts, 472 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:02,130 and there were all the kids and the fans. 473 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:06,743 In the middle of the tour, we got this booklet. 474 00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:09,355 It was an all-color booklet. It said "The Runaways." 475 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:11,792 And there was like a tiny picture of all of us, 476 00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:15,752 and then it was like foldout soft-core porn shots 477 00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:18,233 of Cherie all the way through. 478 00:21:18,407 --> 00:21:20,366 Cherie: Kim made a very bad mistake. 479 00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:24,152 He set up a photo session with the Japanese for me. 480 00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:26,241 Next thing I knew, there was a complete tour book 481 00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:27,721 with, you know, me in my corset. 482 00:21:27,895 --> 00:21:30,593 We're, like, going, "What the fuck is this?" 483 00:21:30,985 --> 00:21:32,856 And we were all really annoyed 484 00:21:33,117 --> 00:21:34,815 by the fact that Cherie had done it 485 00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:36,338 and that she didn't say anything to us. 486 00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,253 Cherie: And the girls really thought 487 00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:41,387 that I had done that myself, but Kim did things like that 488 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:44,607 that caused damage to the band 489 00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:47,218 that just could not be fixed after a while. 490 00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:49,482 You know, they ended up not trusting me at all, 491 00:21:49,699 --> 00:21:53,573 and that caused me to separate myself a lot from the girls. 492 00:21:54,225 --> 00:21:56,445 And Joan and I had been very, very, very close. 493 00:21:56,619 --> 00:22:01,755 Jackie had left from Japan kind of a broken child, 494 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:03,626 and I was the second to go. 495 00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:08,588 Joan: After she left the band and after our Japanese tour, 496 00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:11,112 I didn't follow what she was doing right away. 497 00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:13,462 Obviously, there were parts of me that was very hurt 498 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,421 by that because we were close. 499 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:18,511 You know, a band is like a family. 500 00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:21,340 No! No! 501 00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,820 If you wanna see "Cherry Bomb," find Cherie 502 00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:25,866 because we're fucking tired of that song. 503 00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:28,869 [crowd shouting and cheering] 504 00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:31,741 Evelyn: Shortly thereafter that, they fired Kim Fowley. 505 00:22:31,915 --> 00:22:34,483 I think Kim's biggest mistake in life 506 00:22:34,657 --> 00:22:36,572 was not recognizing that Joan Jett 507 00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:38,618 was his great star and his great discovery. 508 00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:41,316 Toby Mamis: Joan took over the front person's role, 509 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:43,492 which she earned and which she deserved, 510 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,626 but it changed the perception of the band by the industry 511 00:22:46,843 --> 00:22:49,150 because the industry was so focused on Cherie 512 00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,848 and the blonde-bombshell look, and that's haunted 513 00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,111 not just the music business but all entertainment formats, 514 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:55,722 TV and film, for years. 515 00:22:56,026 --> 00:22:59,116 Don: What you do when your iconic lead singer 516 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:02,685 just is gone, you know, and you gotta step up? 517 00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:06,689 It's kind of incredible that she, you know, 518 00:23:06,907 --> 00:23:08,822 had the balls to even do it. 519 00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:11,825 Rodney: So do you have a new record or anything coming out? 520 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,131 Joan: Nope. [laughter] 521 00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:16,482 No we're going to Europe, right, 522 00:23:16,656 --> 00:23:18,484 two days after the Whisky, 523 00:23:18,788 --> 00:23:22,270 and we're gonna record in either London or Berlin. 524 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:25,969 # Blue-skinned Sleeping boys # 525 00:23:26,143 --> 00:23:29,408 # Man, You're lookin' wasted # 526 00:23:29,582 --> 00:23:32,193 # Greasy wheels, Streets of steel # 527 00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:35,370 # No tellin' what ya tasted # 528 00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:38,199 Joan: We did "Wasted" on the TV show 529 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,506 Old Grey Whistle Test when we were in London. 530 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,508 First time The Runaways were on TV 531 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:45,380 with me as lead singer, which was really scary. 532 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,904 # Sad you are so shattered # 533 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:49,732 Everything was just kind of splintering. 534 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:53,780 I felt the album was going in a very heavy direction musically, 535 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,566 and I could feel a camaraderie between Sandy, 536 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:00,308 Lita and this producer, John Alcock, 537 00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:02,136 and I was not part of it. 538 00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:04,921 He drove a wedge between Sandy and Lita on one side 539 00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:07,750 and Joan on the other that destroyed the band. 540 00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:09,622 You know, I'm not gonna get fired 541 00:24:09,796 --> 00:24:13,452 from a band I started, so we're not on the same page. 542 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,803 So I should probably let you guys do your thing. 543 00:24:17,717 --> 00:24:20,415 You know, we'd always been close enough to laugh 544 00:24:20,589 --> 00:24:22,591 and all that stuff, and you could tell 545 00:24:22,765 --> 00:24:24,637 those sort of elements were leaving. 546 00:24:24,941 --> 00:24:27,161 You know, you felt like you had to walk on eggshells, 547 00:24:27,422 --> 00:24:28,989 and I didn't want to fight. 548 00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:32,601 You know, I loved these girls. It was our baby. 549 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,561 # It doesn't Really matter... # 550 00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:38,520 Chris: I remember at the end of The Runaways period, 551 00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:42,350 she, you know, gained weight and was really bummed out 552 00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:43,960 as it was closing. 553 00:24:44,265 --> 00:24:48,095 If they had, you know, proper management, you know, 554 00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:51,490 they probably would have gone a lot further a lot longer. 555 00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:00,847 Joan: How did I personally deal 556 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,718 with the crumbling of The Runaways? 557 00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:07,331 I drank a lot starting at 8:00 in the morning. 558 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:08,724 Not a good thing. 559 00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,334 Not a good way to deal with things. 560 00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:13,773 No, it got heavier than that. Definitely. 561 00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:16,776 Felt like LA was totally laughing at me going, 562 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,343 "We told you it wouldn't work. 563 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,737 We told you you couldn't do it." 564 00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:24,958 Debbie: She moved to Sunset and San Vicente 565 00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:27,308 in that weird house across from the Whisky. 566 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,484 It was decadent, honey. 567 00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:32,226 I would go by there, and it was like 568 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,315 tons of people all over the living room, 569 00:25:34,489 --> 00:25:36,665 and I remember being with Chrissie Hynde, 570 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,015 and Chrissie's like, "Honey," to Joan, 571 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:40,756 "You gotta pull it together." 572 00:25:41,061 --> 00:25:45,674 Toby: Her friend Lisa called and said, "Joan's very sick. 573 00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:47,589 "I have to take her to the emergency room. 574 00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:49,635 She's sweating. She's very sick. 575 00:25:49,809 --> 00:25:52,246 Something's wrong," and she had a heart infection. 576 00:25:52,855 --> 00:25:56,467 And she ended up in Cedars, and it was pretty scary. 577 00:25:56,642 --> 00:25:59,819 I'm lucky I'm still here. 578 00:26:00,123 --> 00:26:01,516 I know my mom was really worried about her. 579 00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:03,039 It was a really hard time. 580 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:05,433 She was really depressed 581 00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:07,653 because she had high hopes for The Runaways. 582 00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:09,480 Toby: It is funny that it's a heart infection 583 00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:12,353 because she did have a broken heart for losing The Runaways. 584 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:14,094 Joan: I was angry. 585 00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:16,139 I didn't know how to make sense of a world 586 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:19,447 that would give girls shit for playing guitars, you know? 587 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:23,320 Like, "Don't you have important things to be upset about?" 588 00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:27,890 [melancholy guitar music playing] 589 00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,198 I thought, you know, I'm gonna fucking kill myself. 590 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,592 Accidentally, but I'm gonna do it. 591 00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,594 I gotta do something. What can I do? 592 00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:38,684 Maybe I'll join a branch of the military, 593 00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:40,947 straighten up, learn something. 594 00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:45,560 I considered that because I didn't know what else to do, 595 00:26:45,734 --> 00:26:48,694 but we still had some legal obligations. 596 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:51,479 We had signed to do the music for a movie, 597 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:53,481 and even though the band wasn't together anymore, 598 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:56,049 I cannot get sued, I can't afford to get sued. 599 00:26:56,266 --> 00:26:58,181 I need to write these songs. 600 00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,531 Kenny Laguna: I went through a few offers to produce them, 601 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,098 and I wasn't really interested. 602 00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:05,885 Although I was intrigued by five crazy girls 603 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:11,717 who were attractive, took a lot of drugs, 604 00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:14,154 made good music, and the band broke up. 605 00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:15,938 And they were teenage girls so they didn't care 606 00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:18,549 about commitments or responsibility. 607 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:20,247 I probably would have turned it down again. 608 00:27:20,421 --> 00:27:21,683 I was in England. 609 00:27:21,944 --> 00:27:23,380 Joan Jett was the only one left 610 00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:25,208 who was gonna live up to the commitment. 611 00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:29,909 They had eight days to create six songs when Toby called me. 612 00:27:30,126 --> 00:27:33,608 Toby: Before John Alcott, I had thought of Kenny Laguna 613 00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:35,654 as a guy who might produce this Runaways album. 614 00:27:35,828 --> 00:27:38,178 He blew me off. I went back to Kenny Laguna 615 00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:39,875 because I'm obviously a masochist. 616 00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:41,660 "I know you're a good songwriter, 617 00:27:41,834 --> 00:27:44,358 and I really think that you'd click with Joan." 618 00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:46,012 Kenny: My wife Meryl said to me, 619 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,101 "I've been reading about Joan Jett. 620 00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:49,668 I think she's significant." 621 00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:51,670 I was in the studio with him, 622 00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:55,151 and I used to read "Melody Maker" and the "NME," 623 00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:56,892 and there was a picture of The Runaways, 624 00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:59,895 and Joan just popped out of the picture. 625 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159 I said, "I think this girl's got it." 626 00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:05,988 Kenny: And we went and stayed at the Riot House, 627 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:07,990 the Hyatt House on Sunset, 628 00:28:08,338 --> 00:28:10,210 and Joan walked in the room with Toby, 629 00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:13,822 and I saw this girl with a black leather jacket, 630 00:28:13,996 --> 00:28:15,694 and she was a little beat up by then. 631 00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:17,304 She was drinking. 632 00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:18,958 She was hanging out with Sid Vicious 633 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:22,178 and Stiv Bators, Sid's girlfriend Nancy, 634 00:28:22,352 --> 00:28:24,572 and a bunch of people who all ended up dead. 635 00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:26,356 She had a sad look in her eye. 636 00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,837 Meryl Laguna: She was this lost waif, 637 00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:32,623 and your heart just went out for her 638 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:37,977 'cause you could see she was so upset and destroyed by it. 639 00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:41,328 You know, I was pretty much a mess. 640 00:28:41,589 --> 00:28:42,938 Hi, guys. 641 00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:45,854 But he saw something. 642 00:28:46,028 --> 00:28:47,813 I don't know what it was, you know? 643 00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:50,380 He bought me a pair of pants first, though. 644 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:53,253 Because he couldn't write songs 645 00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,256 with a person with ripped jeans or something. 646 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:58,693 Kenny: We head into the studio, and I said, 647 00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:00,956 "We'll cut the tracks with the session guys, 648 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:02,610 and then we'll put your guitar on. 649 00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:04,090 It's no big deal." 650 00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:06,092 She goes, "Then it won't be a record," 651 00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:08,311 and she wasn't kidding, but I dug it. 652 00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:10,052 Joan: [singing] One, two, three, four! 653 00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:11,750 Joan: [interview] So we fulfilled the contract. 654 00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:14,796 It wound up being on some weirdo porn movie, 655 00:29:15,405 --> 00:29:17,190 which was not what we signed up for. 656 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:21,672 Man: Joanie Jett, she's got the greatest voice I've ever seen! 657 00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:24,327 Now, I went out to California to meet Joan 658 00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,808 with a fella named Ritchie Cordell. 659 00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:28,505 I said, "You know, Ritchie, 660 00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:30,159 I think we can we have hits with her. 661 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,292 I think we should make her a partner." 662 00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:33,946 "What, do you wanna fuck her?" 663 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,338 Kenny: "We're gonna steal her money." 664 00:29:35,643 --> 00:29:37,688 [laughs] I'll never forget it. 665 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,735 # I want you like I never wanted anythin' else... # 666 00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:44,043 Kenny: But I knew that this girl should be a partner. 667 00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:45,740 She was that unique. 668 00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:47,437 Joan: Things were definitely looking up. 669 00:29:47,611 --> 00:29:49,309 I felt good, I felt, "Okay, 670 00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:51,920 I've got someone to talk to, to write music with. 671 00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:53,487 Let's see where this goes." 672 00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,315 # Yeah! # 673 00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:56,795 Kenny: And then I took her to England. 674 00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:59,232 I had a flat on the Kings Road, 675 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:01,974 and every day, we'd go to Ramport, 676 00:30:02,496 --> 00:30:05,325 The Who's studio, and record the Joan Jett record. 677 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,283 Bill Curbishley: I was introduced to Kenny 678 00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,285 by a guy called Peter Meaden, 679 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:11,592 a real character, and in so doing, 680 00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:14,421 he also came to me with an artist called Steve Gibbons, 681 00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:19,121 and Kenny produced the album. for Steve Gibbons, 682 00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:20,253 a fantastic album. 683 00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:22,168 # Go ahead on, Tulane # 684 00:30:22,472 --> 00:30:24,126 # He can't catch up With you # 685 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,825 # Go, Tulane, he ain't Man enough for you # 686 00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:29,871 # Go, Tulane, Use all the speed... # 687 00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:32,961 But the thing he's got extra is he's got great ears. 688 00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:35,529 He can produce. He knows what he wants. 689 00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:37,052 [plays piano chord] 690 00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:38,662 Kenny: I was born in the Village, 691 00:30:38,967 --> 00:30:43,493 and my parents were-- predated hippies and beatniks. 692 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:44,930 They were Bohemian. 693 00:30:46,235 --> 00:30:49,891 They started me on piano lessons five years old. 694 00:30:50,152 --> 00:30:52,372 I learned Mozart and Bach, 695 00:30:52,546 --> 00:30:55,897 and then I saw"Jailhouse Rock," 696 00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:59,074 and he was doing art, and he still had a Cadillac, 697 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:00,902 and that was all I needed to know. 698 00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:02,861 When I was about 16, 699 00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:07,039 I moseyed into New York City and started hustling. 700 00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:10,259 They gave me a songwriting job at Kama Sutra Records, 701 00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:13,306 and their specialty was bubblegum music. 702 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:14,916 # Sugar # 703 00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:17,788 # Oh, honey, honey # 704 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,616 Kenny: ...which was coined by Neil Bogart, 705 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:20,922 the great record exec. 706 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:23,098 # You are my candy girl... # 707 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:25,666 Don: Kenny Laguna did some great stuff pre-Joan. 708 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,276 I don't know where we would've been without that guy. 709 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,104 He was a bubblegum hero. 710 00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:31,019 Adam Horovitz: Our generation, when we were kids, 711 00:31:31,193 --> 00:31:32,716 that's what the music was. 712 00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:34,762 No guilty pleasure. 713 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:38,331 It's just like, "Look, we're making this music to make money. 714 00:31:38,505 --> 00:31:40,028 Kathleen Hanna: "We're gonna sell it to kids. 715 00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:41,943 "We're gonna turn it into, like, you know, 716 00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:45,860 records that are on literally the back of the cereal box." 717 00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:47,862 All the songs were, like, about, like, 718 00:31:48,036 --> 00:31:51,692 naughty sexual things that they sort of acted 719 00:31:51,866 --> 00:31:54,608 like they were about candy and bubblegum. 720 00:31:56,175 --> 00:31:58,873 # Yummy, yummy, yummy I got love in my tummy # 721 00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:01,484 # And I feel like a-lovin' you # 722 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:04,574 # Love, you're such a sweet thing... # 723 00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:07,621 One of our little sayings was "Don't bore us. 724 00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:09,144 Get right to the chorus." 725 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:12,147 But something weird happened. 726 00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:13,844 When the punks got on the scene, 727 00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:15,934 they didn't like Crosby, Stills, and Nash. 728 00:32:16,151 --> 00:32:17,457 They hated Neil Young. 729 00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:20,112 They thought those bands were pretentious. 730 00:32:20,416 --> 00:32:22,244 Ian Mackaye: I am a hook guy. Kenny and I share that. 731 00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:23,637 I like a hook. 732 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,595 Problem with bubblegum is that sometimes, 733 00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,815 it's was so saccharine, for me, it was almost unlistenable. 734 00:32:27,989 --> 00:32:30,252 Don: There was a lot of shared DNA between bubblegum and punk. 735 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:34,039 Bubblegum was short, to-the-point little songs 736 00:32:34,213 --> 00:32:36,128 with hooks and an ass-kicking beat. 737 00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:37,738 Kenny: And that was punk. 738 00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:40,045 # They're going Through a tight wind # 739 00:32:41,524 --> 00:32:43,004 # The kids are losing Their minds # 740 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,527 # The blitzkrieg bop # 741 00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:46,660 Kenny: I was making 100 grand when I was 17. 742 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:48,053 I remember my father said, 743 00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:49,576 "You should try to save some money." 744 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,143 I said, "I can have a hit anytime I want." 745 00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:53,536 By the time I was 19, bubblegum died, 746 00:32:53,884 --> 00:32:56,148 but we wanted to be cooler than bubblegum. 747 00:32:56,452 --> 00:32:59,934 [disjointed instrumental music playing] 748 00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:03,503 Kenny: I did a soundtrack album for Andy Warhol, 749 00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:07,942 Lonesome Cowboys, and I used orchestration. 750 00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:10,553 I was putting horns on and then strings 751 00:33:10,727 --> 00:33:12,338 without much of a plot line. 752 00:33:13,078 --> 00:33:15,906 Just very effeminate guys dressed as cowboys 753 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,517 hanging out together, 754 00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,215 and I remember giving a spiel to Andy Warhol 755 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:22,565 and Paul Morrissey about the art, 756 00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:26,308 and Morrissey said, "Don't talk to us about art. 757 00:33:26,482 --> 00:33:28,745 We hired you because we want money." 758 00:33:28,963 --> 00:33:30,356 It was very shocking to me 759 00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:33,489 because I grew up with artists 760 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,926 who thought it was gauche to want money. 761 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:37,406 Pete Townshend: I really liked Kenny 762 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:38,886 from the first moment I met him. 763 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:42,629 I don't know why. I always have. 764 00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:46,024 [strumming chords] 765 00:33:46,198 --> 00:33:51,116 I remember saying to Kenny, maybe getting a bit bored, 766 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:52,682 I don't know, but just saying, you know, 767 00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,119 "Go talk to Bill." 768 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:58,036 - Stop all this shit. - Oh, Bill! Oh, my God. 769 00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:00,212 - How you doing? - What's all this shit? 770 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,737 Kenny: What affected me was their self-belief, 771 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,522 but under the self-belief, there's a fear, 772 00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,176 "Oh, is it ever gonna happen?" 773 00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:10,265 Or, "Are we ever gonna get a break?" 774 00:34:10,526 --> 00:34:12,920 And for me, life's about that. 775 00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:15,053 Joan: And Bill said to Kenny, "You know what? 776 00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:17,620 "Why don't you just go into our studio, Ramport, 777 00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:20,101 do what you gotta do and pay us when you can?" 778 00:34:20,971 --> 00:34:22,321 Now I'm in business. 779 00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:27,456 And that was the start of their relationship and ours. 780 00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,415 I'll tell you all about this girl. 781 00:34:29,632 --> 00:34:32,896 I'll tell you the truth about this girl. Mwah! 782 00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,247 It felt you were kind of blessed by, you know, 783 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,205 the rock-n'-roll gods, and then we were like, 784 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:39,120 "Well, we want to tour this music. 785 00:34:39,294 --> 00:34:40,382 This is great." 786 00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:43,168 So we needed to form a band. 787 00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:46,606 And went back to LA, put an ad inThe LA Weekly 788 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:48,086 or something and said, 789 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:51,001 "Joan Jett looking for three good men." 790 00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:54,614 # ["Love Is Pain" by Joan Jett and the Blackhearts plays] # 791 00:35:00,141 --> 00:35:02,970 I remember very clearly going to the audition. 792 00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:04,841 I knew all The Runaways songs 793 00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:07,496 because as a 13-year-old kid, 14-year-old kid, 794 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:09,890 I'd been at home playing along with the records. 795 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:12,936 # Hey, you must obey # 796 00:35:13,198 --> 00:35:16,288 # Or you will bleed, you know I need to get my way... # 797 00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,029 And Joan knew me from the punk scene. 798 00:35:19,204 --> 00:35:21,249 Joan: I kind of knew in my gut 799 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:24,687 that there's no way I could play with girls again, 800 00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:26,689 certainly not right away 801 00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:28,256 because it would only be compared to The Runaways, 802 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:30,258 and that was not good on any level. 803 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,347 Eric Ambel: We got the Whisky A Go Go, 804 00:35:33,087 --> 00:35:34,958 and we picked the worst night of the week, 805 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,438 which was Tuesday, 806 00:35:37,047 --> 00:35:39,224 and we played there every week for a month, 807 00:35:39,441 --> 00:35:42,096 and by the time we were done with that, 808 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:44,272 we were on the map there in LA. 809 00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:47,362 All of a sudden, there's-- there's a lot of chicks here. 810 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,322 I'm kind of getting into it, and by the last gig, 811 00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:52,454 I was like, "Well, wait a minute, they're-- 812 00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:54,108 they're looking at her." 813 00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:55,762 Kathleen: You've got this weird punk rocker 814 00:35:55,979 --> 00:35:59,679 who has an extraterrestrial good voice, 815 00:36:00,332 --> 00:36:03,813 and then you have someone who's worked in the business 816 00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:05,293 of making bubblegum music. 817 00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:09,297 # I was caught So unaware # 818 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,952 # When you made other plans # 819 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,694 Kenny: She brought menace, 820 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:16,870 and I brought a lot of pop sensibility. 821 00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:19,394 # More than you Could stand # 822 00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:22,745 # You don't know What you've got # 823 00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:26,358 # You don't know What you've got # 824 00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:30,405 # You don't know what You've got till it's gone # 825 00:36:30,666 --> 00:36:32,451 You mix that together, 826 00:36:32,668 --> 00:36:35,149 and you've got, like, a Molotov cocktail 827 00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:38,935 that's gonna, like, totally do some... damage. 828 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,416 Joan: First one we wrote was 829 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,592 "You Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone." 830 00:36:43,766 --> 00:36:47,117 To me, you know, Kenny was taking my life. 831 00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,468 You know, I guess being a therapist. 832 00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:51,252 Kenny: And the more we knew each other, 833 00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:52,775 the more she trusted me. 834 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:55,082 # You don't know What you've got # 835 00:36:55,256 --> 00:36:59,521 # You don't know what You've got till it's gone # 836 00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:03,525 Joan sort of needs to experience heartache 837 00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:05,223 to write about it. 838 00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:07,921 # I gave you love So true # 839 00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:09,792 # But you ran away # 840 00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:12,534 # So you just don't know Whatcha blew # 841 00:37:13,753 --> 00:37:15,320 # Yeah, yeah # 842 00:37:15,581 --> 00:37:17,800 Joan: Kenny actually was looking for record deals. 843 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,889 So Kenny would send the tapes in. 844 00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:23,937 We sent it to all the labels, all the majors, all the minors. 845 00:37:24,154 --> 00:37:25,591 That was 23 labels, 846 00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:28,463 and we got back 23 rejection letters 847 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,338 all saying, "You need a song search. 848 00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:36,993 No songs here. Maybe if she loses the guitar." 849 00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:42,825 These people heard five songs, four of which were top-20 hits. 850 00:37:43,522 --> 00:37:47,134 That can't be a song search. That's you don't have ears. 851 00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:48,918 Kenny: We asked for no money. 852 00:37:49,179 --> 00:37:50,703 Joan: Just put out the record. 853 00:37:50,877 --> 00:37:53,096 I know it had something to do with my image, 854 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:54,837 The Runaways, the girl. 855 00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:57,492 I think Kenny thought it was going to be a lot easier 856 00:37:57,666 --> 00:37:59,799 than it ultimately turned out to be. 857 00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:05,979 Kenny: My mom was an outrageous feminist. 858 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:07,981 She used to drive the car, 859 00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:11,767 and my father sat where everybody else's mother sat. 860 00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:14,857 So when I met Joan and heard about The Runaways, 861 00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:17,991 I never really thought it was, like, weird 862 00:38:18,557 --> 00:38:20,820 or groundbreaking until I tried to promote her, 863 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:26,391 and I ran into these... walls, these brick walls. 864 00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:28,741 An interviewer who once said to her, 865 00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:30,873 "When you're playing on stage, 866 00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:32,875 do you feel like a man or a woman?" 867 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,660 And I was like, what? 868 00:38:35,051 --> 00:38:37,315 Interviewer: Could you ever see yourself getting married? 869 00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:39,404 No, you know, I don't like to knock 870 00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,231 the American dream or anything-- 871 00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:42,668 Do you ever want to have children? 872 00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:45,975 No. [laughs] 873 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:49,327 If you really want to be a musician, now, 874 00:38:49,501 --> 00:38:51,459 that's where you gotta really do some soul-searching 875 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,592 and decide, do I want to be a musician, 876 00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:55,376 or do I want to be a flash in the pan 877 00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:57,552 and ride in limos for a week? 878 00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,902 You gotta decide what you want to do with your life. 879 00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:03,036 # Are you in the mood For a lot of singing? # 880 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:06,344 [crowd cheers] 881 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,086 # Are you in the mood For a lot of singing? # 882 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:11,610 [crowd cheers] 883 00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,003 Eric: Kenny Laguna came over, 884 00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,397 and he literally pulled out the map. 885 00:39:16,615 --> 00:39:20,619 He's like, "Look, here's Boston, New York, Washington, DC. 886 00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:22,447 Look at all these towns." 887 00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:24,753 Joan: In LA, there's a limited amount of cities 888 00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:26,755 you can hit when you're a poor band 889 00:39:26,929 --> 00:39:29,236 and you're struggling, making every penny count. 890 00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:30,890 Eric: He just convinced us on the spot 891 00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:32,587 that we would move to New York. 892 00:39:33,022 --> 00:39:35,373 [drumbeat playing] 893 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,418 # Yeah... # 894 00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:38,637 Kenny: It was a circuit. 895 00:39:38,811 --> 00:39:40,378 There was The Rat in Boston, 896 00:39:40,552 --> 00:39:42,597 The Malibu and My Father's Place, 897 00:39:42,771 --> 00:39:45,034 Privates and The Ritz in New York, 898 00:39:45,208 --> 00:39:46,906 The Left Bank in Westchester, 899 00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:49,256 these places that were incubators 900 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:51,954 for rock bands, and they'd give you $500. 901 00:39:52,128 --> 00:39:53,565 Didn't cover much. 902 00:39:53,739 --> 00:39:55,349 Joan: But you had a lot more opportunity 903 00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:57,090 to play and survive. 904 00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:00,310 # Yeah, oh, yeah... # 905 00:40:00,572 --> 00:40:02,922 Kenny: We got a minor deal in Europe. 906 00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:05,490 That was the beginning, 907 00:40:05,664 --> 00:40:08,318 but we couldn't get anything going in America. 908 00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:11,365 And all of a sudden, we find out 909 00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:13,498 that we are the number-one import. 910 00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:15,587 The record's on the radio, 911 00:40:15,761 --> 00:40:17,545 and nobody wants to be our label. 912 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,592 I'm seeing something going on that I can't put my finger on, 913 00:40:20,766 --> 00:40:22,420 but I know we're tapping into something. 914 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:25,727 So it gave me the courage to empty our bank account. 915 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:28,077 My daughter was just born. She's only a couple months old. 916 00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:29,862 And we started a college fund, 917 00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:31,472 so there was like $3,000 or $4,000 in there. 918 00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:35,171 I mean, it was like I jumped off the diving board, 919 00:40:35,345 --> 00:40:37,173 and I was hoping somebody was gonna put water in the pool. 920 00:40:37,347 --> 00:40:38,697 Joan: But we discussed about, you know, 921 00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,438 "Let's print up these records. 922 00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:42,527 We'll make our own records-- nobody's gonna sign us. 923 00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:44,659 We'll take music we believe in so much 924 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,269 and just do it." 925 00:40:46,574 --> 00:40:50,360 [rock music playing] 926 00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,972 Joan: Our first office was, more or less, 927 00:40:53,189 --> 00:40:55,801 Kenny's big, huge Cadillac. 928 00:40:55,975 --> 00:40:59,761 Kenny: And so we had this big old 1976 Sedan de Ville 929 00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,807 We used to always have records in the trunk. 930 00:41:02,155 --> 00:41:04,679 # Temperature Is running high # 931 00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,855 Joan: You know, we'd hang out, and there'd be a little crowd 932 00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:09,249 of 30 or 40 people, and we'd sign autographs 933 00:41:09,423 --> 00:41:10,772 and then if anybody wanted the record, 934 00:41:10,946 --> 00:41:12,339 we had the trunk full of albums. 935 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:14,167 Kenny: And it wasn't done. 936 00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:16,343 In those days, you did not sell records at gigs. 937 00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:18,258 Joan: It wasn't part of the landscape yet. 938 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,087 # Yeah, yeah, Do you wanna touch? # 939 00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,002 # Yeah! Do you wanna touch? # 940 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:26,527 # Yeah! Do you wanna Touch me there, where # 941 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,050 # Do you wanna... # 942 00:41:28,398 --> 00:41:29,835 And that was the beginning of Blackheart Records. 943 00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:31,576 We're not getting any traction? 944 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:33,316 Like, fuck it, we'll put out our own records. 945 00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,841 I don't know if that came out of a punk aesthetic. 946 00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,017 Maybe it did, or maybe it was just 947 00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:40,062 that they were just punks before they knew it. 948 00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:43,152 Billie Joe: Oh, you mean I don't need to have someone 949 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,024 trying to discover me? 950 00:41:45,328 --> 00:41:47,287 I can actually just do this myself? 951 00:41:47,548 --> 00:41:50,203 # Oh, yeah # 952 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,727 Kenny: In the beginning, the first gig we did 953 00:41:53,467 --> 00:41:55,556 was at The Malibu in Long Island. 954 00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:57,776 Fifty-four people came. 955 00:41:58,254 --> 00:42:01,519 Twenty-five of them were my guest list for my neighbors. 956 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:03,390 Eric: The next time we played there, 957 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:06,219 they had to shut down the Southern State Parkway. 958 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,483 # My, my, my, Whiskey and rye # 959 00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:12,660 # Don't it make you feel So fine? # 960 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,751 # Right or wrong, Don't it turn you on? # 961 00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:20,450 # Can't you see We're wastin' time, yeah? # 962 00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:21,930 # Do you wanna touch? # 963 00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:23,715 # Yeah! Do you wanna touch? # 964 00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:27,893 # Yeah! Do you wanna Touch me there, where # 965 00:42:28,241 --> 00:42:30,112 # Do you wanna touch? Yeah! # 966 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,638 Billie Joe: The way that Joan and Kenny have done things, 967 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,684 it inspired people to make their own labels 968 00:42:36,902 --> 00:42:39,469 because people figured out that they don't need 969 00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:41,733 a bunch of guys in suits and cigars 970 00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:43,473 and cash to start a label. 971 00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,432 # No, no, no! # 972 00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:47,129 Crowd: # Yeah # 973 00:42:47,303 --> 00:42:48,522 # Oh, yeah # 974 00:42:48,696 --> 00:42:50,655 # Oh, yeah # 975 00:42:50,829 --> 00:42:52,657 # Do ya, do ya? # 976 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:56,356 Meryl: And I think it was in a bar in upstate New York, 977 00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:58,619 and a big tour manager-- 978 00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:00,926 I'll never forget him saying this 979 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,842 because at this club, the line was around the block, 980 00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:06,496 and when we got in, he said to me, 981 00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:08,455 "Remember these days. 982 00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:11,023 This is the best time you're ever gonna have, 983 00:43:11,545 --> 00:43:14,156 and never take it for granted," and I never have. 984 00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,724 - # Yeah # - # Fuck you # 985 00:43:16,898 --> 00:43:18,683 - # Yeah # - # Fuck me # 986 00:43:18,857 --> 00:43:21,860 - # Yeah # - # Fuck everybody # 987 00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:23,557 # Yeah # 988 00:43:23,731 --> 00:43:25,428 Interviewer: Is that something that gnaws at you, 989 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:26,952 the fact that they'll take you seriously fronting a male band, 990 00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:28,301 but they wouldn't take you seriously 991 00:43:28,475 --> 00:43:29,998 being an all-girl band? 992 00:43:30,172 --> 00:43:33,349 Joan: I think audiences are forced to listen more, 993 00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:35,787 and they're more accepting than maybe the business. 994 00:43:35,961 --> 00:43:37,484 Like, I think the record companies 995 00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:39,268 haven't come far at all. 996 00:43:39,486 --> 00:43:41,923 Until women get into the position of A&R men. 997 00:43:42,141 --> 00:43:44,534 Mike Ness: Oh, I'm sure she had to go through a lot of, 998 00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:47,581 you know, "I can play guitars 999 00:43:47,755 --> 00:43:50,192 just as good as you can, motherfucker," you know? 1000 00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:52,891 "Just 'cause I'm a girl, don't think I can't play." 1001 00:43:53,108 --> 00:43:55,763 Thom Panunzio: I know very few men that can play like her. 1002 00:43:55,937 --> 00:43:58,723 You know, she's ferocious when she plays that guitar. 1003 00:43:58,897 --> 00:44:01,508 Out of nowhere, an old friend of mine, 1004 00:44:01,682 --> 00:44:05,555 the head of Buddha, Neil Bogart, decided to help us. 1005 00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:08,341 Joan: Neil ran Casablanca Records, 1006 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:10,125 which had KISS, 1007 00:44:10,299 --> 00:44:12,562 but they were a disco label, basically. 1008 00:44:12,911 --> 00:44:16,349 # I love to love you, Baby # 1009 00:44:16,523 --> 00:44:20,483 I mean, this guy knew senators and presidents and made movies. 1010 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:23,399 Joan: He was really into what we were doing, 1011 00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:24,923 and that was so different. 1012 00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:26,576 I liked it 'cause it felt like 1013 00:44:26,751 --> 00:44:29,144 he was shoving it up people's ass. 1014 00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:31,973 Kenny: He helped me put out the Joan Jett record, 1015 00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:35,107 which he renamed Bad Reputation. 1016 00:44:35,281 --> 00:44:38,763 He never checked with us. It completely pissed us off. 1017 00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:40,547 He said, "You're a cult marketer. 1018 00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:44,769 I'm a mass marketer. I have two Rolls-Royces. 1019 00:44:45,247 --> 00:44:47,772 That makes me a lot smarter than you, Kenny." 1020 00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:50,165 We were selling so many more records than we knew about 1021 00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:51,732 because the factory was printing them up 1022 00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:53,299 and selling them out the back door. 1023 00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:54,866 You gotta be very careful how you handle it 1024 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,955 because the guys doing that are... 1025 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,567 thugs. [chuckles] 1026 00:45:00,872 --> 00:45:03,788 So you don't sue them. Neil knew how to handle that. 1027 00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:05,267 We went, and we took our own money, 1028 00:45:05,441 --> 00:45:07,139 and we made "I Love Rock 'n' Roll." 1029 00:45:07,313 --> 00:45:10,969 And people just didn't do that. Today, it's common. 1030 00:45:11,447 --> 00:45:13,754 I had seen this song that was a B-side 1031 00:45:13,928 --> 00:45:15,887 of another song, I saw it on TV. 1032 00:45:16,061 --> 00:45:17,410 It was called "I Love Rock 'n' Roll." 1033 00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:19,064 I'm like, that's a hit. 1034 00:45:19,368 --> 00:45:20,848 The Runaways didn't want to do it, 1035 00:45:21,022 --> 00:45:23,503 and so I did a version with the Sex Pistols 1036 00:45:23,677 --> 00:45:25,374 and Steve Jones and Paul Cook. 1037 00:45:26,201 --> 00:45:29,814 # ["I Love Rock 'n' Roll" plays] # 1038 00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:32,381 Kenny: I thought their version 1039 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,602 was a little unsophisticated, a little sophomoric. 1040 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:37,386 I thought we could make a better record. 1041 00:45:37,691 --> 00:45:40,041 Joan: So once I was with Kenny 1042 00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:41,826 and we formed The Blackhearts, 1043 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,002 it was something that I wanted to try, 1044 00:45:44,263 --> 00:45:46,787 and the rest is history. 1045 00:45:51,444 --> 00:45:54,752 ["I Love Rock 'n' Roll" plays] 1046 00:46:06,894 --> 00:46:10,376 # I saw him dancin' there By the record machine # 1047 00:46:11,594 --> 00:46:15,207 ## I knew he musta been About 17 ## 1048 00:46:16,861 --> 00:46:18,906 # The beat Was goin' strong # 1049 00:46:19,211 --> 00:46:22,649 # Playin' my favorite song # 1050 00:46:22,823 --> 00:46:24,869 # An' I could tell It wouldn't be long # 1051 00:46:25,043 --> 00:46:27,785 # Till he was with me, Yeah, me # 1052 00:46:27,959 --> 00:46:29,874 # An' I could tell It wouldn't be long # 1053 00:46:30,048 --> 00:46:32,877 # Till he was with me, Yeah, me # 1054 00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:35,662 # Singin' I love rock 'n' roll # 1055 00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:38,012 # So put another dime In the jukebox, baby # 1056 00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:40,667 # I love rock 'n' roll # 1057 00:46:40,928 --> 00:46:44,627 # So come and take your time And dance with me # 1058 00:46:44,889 --> 00:46:45,846 Ow! 1059 00:46:46,934 --> 00:46:50,285 Gary: MTV started around the same time we were starting. 1060 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,897 Kenny: I was brought up to believe television 1061 00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:54,333 is the enemy of rock 'n' roll. 1062 00:46:54,899 --> 00:46:56,378 # It's all the same # 1063 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:58,337 Kenny: Les Garland started harassing me. 1064 00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,949 He was one of the heads of MTV, and he just begged me, 1065 00:47:02,123 --> 00:47:03,777 and I said, "Okay, but you're only allowed 1066 00:47:03,951 --> 00:47:05,692 to play it two times a day." 1067 00:47:05,953 --> 00:47:08,738 He was playing it 16 times a day and freaking me out. 1068 00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,218 There was very little I could do about it. 1069 00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:12,090 It was number one for eight weeks. 1070 00:47:12,351 --> 00:47:14,701 # He was with me, Yeah, me, singin'... # 1071 00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:17,182 Kenny: But I felt that in retrospect, 1072 00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,055 the second four weeks it was probably number one 1073 00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:24,102 because all of a sudden, the image went on. 1074 00:47:24,537 --> 00:47:26,147 I mean, I love rock 'n' roll. 1075 00:47:26,321 --> 00:47:28,846 Fuck, of course I love rock 'n'-- I'm in. 1076 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,806 I kind of wanted to be, like, you know, 1077 00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:34,547 the guy version of that. 1078 00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:37,593 It was kind of, "Aha, I told you so," in a way, 1079 00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,683 but, look, it's real. 1080 00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:42,990 We're good. It wasn't, "I'm good." 1081 00:47:43,164 --> 00:47:45,340 It's, "We're good." It's a team. 1082 00:47:45,514 --> 00:47:47,168 It's an effort, a team effort, 1083 00:47:47,473 --> 00:47:49,344 and we were all out there to make this music. 1084 00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:52,391 ["Victim of Circumstance" plays, crowd cheers] 1085 00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,742 Elliot Saltzman: Things rapidly changed immediately after that. 1086 00:47:55,916 --> 00:47:58,745 # The police were waiting When the sun came up # 1087 00:47:58,919 --> 00:48:01,791 # Better move your ass Or we'll really get rough # 1088 00:48:01,966 --> 00:48:05,970 Touring the United States, Canada, Japan, and Australia... 1089 00:48:06,144 --> 00:48:08,842 - Joan Jett! - Joan Jett and The Blackhearts. 1090 00:48:09,016 --> 00:48:10,844 Elliot: We just traveled the world. 1091 00:48:11,018 --> 00:48:12,802 [man speaks Spanish] 1092 00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,717 Kenny: We went down to Panama. 1093 00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:16,545 It's like if there's trouble, we go. 1094 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,417 So we get there, and we get a message. 1095 00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:21,637 Noriega wants Joan, 1096 00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:24,858 and he sends his plane to pick up Joan. 1097 00:48:25,163 --> 00:48:26,251 You couldn't really tell him no. 1098 00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,774 We tried to weasel out. 1099 00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:30,298 Luckily for us, less lucky for him, 1100 00:48:30,603 --> 00:48:32,387 there was some bad incident that happened 1101 00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:35,260 that saved our asses because he was serious. 1102 00:48:35,477 --> 00:48:37,305 He wanted to meet Joan Jett. 1103 00:48:37,566 --> 00:48:39,829 # You know I never meant To cause anybody harm, no # 1104 00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:41,875 # Just a victim Of circumstance # 1105 00:48:42,049 --> 00:48:44,051 - # Didn't you know? # - # Just a victim... # 1106 00:48:44,225 --> 00:48:45,879 Kenny: David Bowie and Freddie Mercury 1107 00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:48,012 came up on stage to watch Joan. 1108 00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:51,580 Joan: We're talking like 80,000 seats or something 1109 00:48:51,754 --> 00:48:52,886 in Leeds, England. 1110 00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,714 A few years earlier, 1111 00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:56,846 I was listening to him on the radio, you know, 1112 00:48:57,021 --> 00:48:58,805 and all of a sudden, you're on stage with him. 1113 00:48:58,979 --> 00:49:01,982 [rock guitar solo plays] 1114 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,898 Elliot: The fame and everything didn't affect her 1115 00:49:05,072 --> 00:49:06,682 like I thought it would. 1116 00:49:06,856 --> 00:49:08,293 She didn't care about the press conferences 1117 00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,034 and the parties and this and that. 1118 00:49:10,208 --> 00:49:13,124 To her, playing was what it was all about. 1119 00:49:13,385 --> 00:49:15,735 # I've been shut out # 1120 00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:20,044 # Let there be no doubt # 1121 00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:23,264 # I've never been afraid Of chances I been takin' # 1122 00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:25,832 Joan: It was like you were always one foot in the gutter 1123 00:49:26,006 --> 00:49:30,837 and one foot in... possible stardom. 1124 00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,534 I can't even figure out how to say it. 1125 00:49:32,708 --> 00:49:35,320 # I ain't that tough, no # 1126 00:49:35,798 --> 00:49:37,278 # Just a victim Of circumstance # 1127 00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:38,845 # Didn't you know? # 1128 00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:40,499 # Just a victim Of circumstance # 1129 00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:41,979 # Doesn't it show? # 1130 00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:43,676 # I'm just a victim Of circumstance # 1131 00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:45,199 # Wherever I go # 1132 00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:47,245 # Just a victim Of bad reputation 1133 00:49:47,419 --> 00:49:48,898 # I got no chance of shakin' # 1134 00:49:49,073 --> 00:49:52,119 Joan: It was surreal, so surreal. 1135 00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:54,904 It went so far beyond me, it made me realize 1136 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,170 what people can do... in general 1137 00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:01,389 if the circumstances are right. 1138 00:50:01,563 --> 00:50:04,566 First time I heard Joan, I was in the car with my dad, 1139 00:50:05,045 --> 00:50:10,137 and it came on the radio, and it was "Crimson and Clover," 1140 00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:13,053 and I heard that voice, and I was just like... 1141 00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:14,272 # Ahh # 1142 00:50:15,273 --> 00:50:16,839 Kathleen: Who is this person? 1143 00:50:17,753 --> 00:50:20,974 # Now I don't hardly know her # 1144 00:50:21,148 --> 00:50:23,672 Kathleen: And then when she would get to the pronouns. 1145 00:50:24,064 --> 00:50:26,936 # But I think I can love her # 1146 00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:30,984 And say "she," I got really interested. 1147 00:50:31,158 --> 00:50:33,987 # Crimson and clover # 1148 00:50:34,161 --> 00:50:35,728 You could sing a song 1149 00:50:35,902 --> 00:50:37,904 about really caring about another girl? 1150 00:50:38,078 --> 00:50:41,168 - # Yeah # - # Ba da da da da da # 1151 00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:43,170 Kathleen: 'Cause my friendships were so important to me 1152 00:50:43,344 --> 00:50:47,044 at that age that I was like, "Somebody gets me." 1153 00:50:47,783 --> 00:50:49,698 It's that sort of, "Oh, my God, 1154 00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:52,049 she's gonna take me home and fuck the shit outta me." 1155 00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:54,921 It's scary, and it's not what people grew up with. 1156 00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:56,966 They're used to being the dominant one. 1157 00:50:57,184 --> 00:51:00,622 They're not used to girls using their sexuality 1158 00:51:00,796 --> 00:51:03,147 in a way that they feel they own it. 1159 00:51:04,017 --> 00:51:07,194 # Ba da da da da da # 1160 00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:10,067 # Over and over # 1161 00:51:10,241 --> 00:51:11,546 Miley Cyrus: You can say, 1162 00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:13,461 "Oh, people just want to play music, 1163 00:51:13,722 --> 00:51:15,333 and they don't want it to become about their sexuality," 1164 00:51:15,507 --> 00:51:17,335 even if whatever they're wearing or whatever they're doing. 1165 00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:19,467 But sometimes you do wanna fucking be sexual, 1166 00:51:19,641 --> 00:51:21,556 and I think there's this thing that women are supposed to act 1167 00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:22,949 like we don't wanna fuck, too, 1168 00:51:23,123 --> 00:51:24,690 and that we don't like sex, too, 1169 00:51:24,864 --> 00:51:27,171 that only guys like to fuck, that we don't like to have sex. 1170 00:51:27,388 --> 00:51:29,086 Chris: The music scene was a total boys club. 1171 00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:32,045 The analogy I always made was Mick Jagger came out 1172 00:51:32,219 --> 00:51:35,527 in Madison Square Garden riding a giant inflated cock. 1173 00:51:35,831 --> 00:51:38,225 And if Debbie or Joan had come out 1174 00:51:38,399 --> 00:51:40,445 riding a giant inflated pussy, 1175 00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:43,187 all the fucking male critics 1176 00:51:43,361 --> 00:51:45,450 would've been running, screaming for the exits. 1177 00:51:45,711 --> 00:51:49,367 Billie Joe: If Mick Jagger can transcend his sexuality, 1178 00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:51,804 so does Joan Jett, you know what I mean? 1179 00:51:52,021 --> 00:51:53,806 Alison Mosshart: It gives you power to prove everyone wrong. 1180 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:55,634 There's a huge energy in that. 1181 00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:58,550 It's so valuable to have something to fight against. 1182 00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:01,640 # Over and over # 1183 00:52:01,814 --> 00:52:03,859 # Crimson and clover # 1184 00:52:04,033 --> 00:52:05,905 Alison: I think the attitude is a really big one. 1185 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,429 I think that's impossible to miss, you know? 1186 00:52:08,647 --> 00:52:10,779 I wouldn't know how to get Joan's sound 1187 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,607 because I'm not technical in that way. 1188 00:52:12,825 --> 00:52:14,957 but the attitude I picked up on right away. 1189 00:52:15,393 --> 00:52:17,046 And that's something that I want in my head 1190 00:52:17,221 --> 00:52:19,788 and my heart when I'm going out there to do that thing 1191 00:52:19,962 --> 00:52:21,790 that's so scary in front of all those people. 1192 00:52:21,964 --> 00:52:25,229 # ["Crimson and Clover" continues] # 1193 00:52:31,409 --> 00:52:34,063 Well, because rock 'n' roll is from the waist down 1194 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:38,024 if you're doing it right. [laughs] 1195 00:52:38,198 --> 00:52:43,464 [song continues] 1196 00:52:44,422 --> 00:52:46,598 Kenny: Neil died unfortunately of cancer 1197 00:52:46,772 --> 00:52:50,167 at 39 years old in 1982, and at his funeral, 1198 00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:51,907 his mother grabbed Joan and said 1199 00:52:52,081 --> 00:52:53,866 that record meant more to Neil 1200 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,303 than all the other hundreds of hits he had had. 1201 00:52:56,477 --> 00:53:00,002 He said, "See? I can do rock 'n' roll." 1202 00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:03,876 Boardwalk went out of business, and we moved to MCA Records. 1203 00:53:04,268 --> 00:53:07,184 It was beginning of Irving Azoff's tenure there. 1204 00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:09,882 MCA gave us a multimillion-dollar deal, 1205 00:53:10,143 --> 00:53:12,711 and while Irving was brilliant, 1206 00:53:12,885 --> 00:53:15,104 they weren't really ready for a rock-'n'-roll band. 1207 00:53:15,322 --> 00:53:16,715 The album known as "Album" 1208 00:53:17,237 --> 00:53:19,196 didn't do as well as I Love Rock 'n' Roll, 1209 00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:22,677 and the label kind of started kicking the shit out of us, 1210 00:53:22,851 --> 00:53:24,897 and then we had an urban-contemporary 1211 00:53:25,071 --> 00:53:27,552 pretty big hit with everyday people. 1212 00:53:27,856 --> 00:53:29,858 Joan ran around with The Commodores 1213 00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:32,209 and The Temptations and Frankie Crocker. 1214 00:53:32,383 --> 00:53:34,515 # There is a yellow one that Won't accept the black one # 1215 00:53:34,689 --> 00:53:36,213 # That won't accept The red one # 1216 00:53:36,387 --> 00:53:38,215 # That won't accept The white one # 1217 00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:40,217 It's yellow, black, red, white. 1218 00:53:40,391 --> 00:53:42,871 Kenny: And then Glorious Results came out 1219 00:53:43,132 --> 00:53:45,874 and by then, we were fighting with MCA, 1220 00:53:46,048 --> 00:53:48,225 and they kind of buried that record. 1221 00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:50,792 Rock is a business for people who can't do anything properly. 1222 00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:52,577 It's what only a shark would be. 1223 00:53:52,751 --> 00:53:56,537 Kenny: The situation at MCA became so acrimonious 1224 00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,105 that they actually did something unthinkable. 1225 00:53:59,279 --> 00:54:01,150 They actually went out in the street 1226 00:54:01,412 --> 00:54:03,805 to try to stop people from playing our records 1227 00:54:03,979 --> 00:54:08,375 to teach us a lesson, and that was unconscionable. 1228 00:54:08,941 --> 00:54:11,117 It's one thing when they're not helping you at all. 1229 00:54:11,291 --> 00:54:13,946 It's another thing when they're coming after you 1230 00:54:14,163 --> 00:54:15,469 and trying to hurt you. 1231 00:54:15,904 --> 00:54:18,777 That's hard to overcome. So what happened? 1232 00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:22,389 We were hot, hot, hot, hot, and now we're cold, cold, cold. 1233 00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:26,785 We felt like... we're back to square one. 1234 00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:30,267 Now, we could still sell out almost any club in America, 1235 00:54:30,441 --> 00:54:32,617 but a lot of people who left us for dead. 1236 00:54:32,834 --> 00:54:35,663 [playing notes] 1237 00:54:35,881 --> 00:54:38,275 Jeanette Rasnik: It's not gonna be so easy this time, Patti. 1238 00:54:38,449 --> 00:54:39,928 You're gonna have to prove yourself. 1239 00:54:42,409 --> 00:54:44,672 From what I can see, you're not a fit mother. 1240 00:54:45,064 --> 00:54:47,284 Joan: I'd always wanted to act since I was a kid, 1241 00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:50,809 and then out of left field, I got an offer to do a movie. 1242 00:54:51,113 --> 00:54:52,680 It was calledLight of Day. 1243 00:54:52,854 --> 00:54:54,726 There's a young woman in rock 'n' roll today 1244 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,250 who has long had the respect of her peers, 1245 00:54:57,424 --> 00:54:59,470 and now she's breaking out into the mainstream. 1246 00:54:59,644 --> 00:55:01,776 And since when are you an authority on fit mothers? 1247 00:55:02,124 --> 00:55:03,648 Since when are you an authority on anything? 1248 00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:06,781 - This can wait, right? - I ain't staying in this house. 1249 00:55:07,042 --> 00:55:09,741 How did Kenny put it? Rock 'n' roll cancer movie. 1250 00:55:09,958 --> 00:55:12,831 Paul Schrader of the movieTaxi Driver 1251 00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:16,095 and movies like that wrote this movie 1252 00:55:16,269 --> 00:55:18,097 and was also directing it. 1253 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,533 Michael J. Fox: People who haven't done a lot of acting, 1254 00:55:19,707 --> 00:55:21,796 but they're natural performers 1255 00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:23,407 it's because they're able to access stuff. 1256 00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:25,234 They're able to go to places, look at things 1257 00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:27,498 from a different angle, and as kind of rock-hard 1258 00:55:27,672 --> 00:55:31,284 and stoic as Joan may seem, she's a very curious person, 1259 00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:33,199 and she would test the limits 1260 00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:34,635 of where she thought she could go 1261 00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:36,768 and bring in new things and new emotions. 1262 00:55:37,072 --> 00:55:39,292 I've seen other actors manufacture 1263 00:55:39,466 --> 00:55:41,250 and summon up for roles, 1264 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,209 but you always see the work behind it, 1265 00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:45,690 whereas with Joan, she just had that. 1266 00:55:45,907 --> 00:55:48,083 I told her. I warned her. I was real clear. 1267 00:55:48,257 --> 00:55:50,695 I told her if she mentioned church or rock 'n' roll 1268 00:55:50,869 --> 00:55:53,219 or marriage, I'd walk out of the room if I was in it, 1269 00:55:53,393 --> 00:55:54,699 hang up the phone if I was on it. 1270 00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:56,483 She can't bring up those subjects no more. 1271 00:55:56,657 --> 00:55:59,443 -It was just prayer. - Yeah, that's her trick. 1272 00:55:59,617 --> 00:56:01,314 Thought she could get away with it. No way, man. 1273 00:56:01,488 --> 00:56:03,142 There's no middle ground. It's her or me. 1274 00:56:03,316 --> 00:56:04,709 When she'd get there, it'd be scary. 1275 00:56:04,883 --> 00:56:06,580 Whether she was acting or she was playing, 1276 00:56:06,754 --> 00:56:08,277 she would get to a place where you just don't fuck around. 1277 00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:09,801 Just let her do what she's doing 1278 00:56:10,018 --> 00:56:11,890 and hope you don't get hurt. 1279 00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:14,719 # Just around the corner Till the light of day, yeah # 1280 00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:17,983 Michael: Bruce Springsteen wrote the title song for the movie. 1281 00:56:18,157 --> 00:56:20,464 Initially, Bruce was supposed to play my role. 1282 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,905 # Driving 500 miles, Got 500 to go, yeah # 1283 00:56:28,602 --> 00:56:33,259 # I've got rock 'n' roll Music on my radio # 1284 00:56:33,564 --> 00:56:35,479 Michael: She's sensitive and emotional, 1285 00:56:35,653 --> 00:56:39,308 and things like loyalty and friendship mean a lot to her 1286 00:56:39,526 --> 00:56:42,355 and empathy, and those are all great qualities in an actor. 1287 00:56:42,529 --> 00:56:44,792 Reporter: He said that you were very patient with him. 1288 00:56:44,966 --> 00:56:47,012 He got the sense that as long as he took what he was doing 1289 00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:48,796 seriously then you wouldn't have a problem with him. 1290 00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:51,756 We treated each other as peers in each other's worlds, 1291 00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:54,193 which was-- I thought was very helpful. 1292 00:56:54,454 --> 00:56:58,502 [crowd cheering] 1293 00:56:59,677 --> 00:57:02,201 # [playing "I Hate Myself for Loving You"] # 1294 00:57:08,468 --> 00:57:12,994 Kenny: The relationship between your label and yourselves 1295 00:57:13,299 --> 00:57:15,693 I think was capsulated by Neil Bogart who said to me, 1296 00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:17,477 "Think of me as your surgeon. 1297 00:57:18,913 --> 00:57:21,307 And if you piss me off, you're gonna die." 1298 00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:24,310 We were a really small boutique label. 1299 00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:27,095 # Midnight, gettin' uptight, Where are you? # 1300 00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:30,142 Kenny: A big star machine is available to you 1301 00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:32,579 if you're on Warner Brothers or Columbia, 1302 00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:37,279 and that was what Joan missed for most of her career 1303 00:57:37,584 --> 00:57:39,934 because that star machine makes the difference. 1304 00:57:40,848 --> 00:57:43,938 # I turn my back, And you're messin' around # 1305 00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,158 # I'm not really jealous... # 1306 00:57:46,637 --> 00:57:49,335 Kenny: So there was a part of me that always wanted the major. 1307 00:57:49,509 --> 00:57:52,556 So when we went to Epic, we had our little honeymoon, 1308 00:57:53,034 --> 00:57:54,558 and then once again, 1309 00:57:54,732 --> 00:57:57,299 we had this monster kind of holding us back. 1310 00:57:57,561 --> 00:58:00,564 # Away # 1311 00:58:00,825 --> 00:58:04,350 # I hate myself For loving you # 1312 00:58:04,959 --> 00:58:08,528 # Can't break free from The things that you do # 1313 00:58:09,355 --> 00:58:12,576 # I want to walk, But I run back to you # 1314 00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:16,536 # That's why I hate myself For loving you # 1315 00:58:17,537 --> 00:58:21,367 Kenny: We fought like mad dogs. Joan toured herself to death. 1316 00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:24,326 I was working day and night going to radio stations 1317 00:58:24,501 --> 00:58:26,198 taking everybody out, 1318 00:58:26,372 --> 00:58:28,896 buying televisions for their kids in their dorms, 1319 00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:31,682 you know, whatever I could think of to get an edge, 1320 00:58:31,856 --> 00:58:34,815 and somehow we kept that record alive for 17 weeks, 1321 00:58:35,381 --> 00:58:37,339 and then we were back, and we had friends again. 1322 00:58:37,644 --> 00:58:38,993 [siren wails] 1323 00:58:39,167 --> 00:58:40,604 Reporter: Washington, D.C. 1324 00:58:40,778 --> 00:58:42,954 Only two miles from the White House, 1325 00:58:43,128 --> 00:58:46,523 storeowners prepare for another night of civil unrest. 1326 00:58:46,697 --> 00:58:50,222 The summer of '92, there was a riot 1327 00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:52,920 in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood of Washington, D.C., 1328 00:58:53,138 --> 00:58:55,967 and that neighborhood was filled with punk group houses. 1329 00:58:56,141 --> 00:58:58,622 There was a lot of women who were very political. 1330 00:58:58,883 --> 00:59:02,582 This woman Jen Thomas said, "We should have a girl riot." 1331 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,497 So she said, "We should be riot girls." 1332 00:59:04,671 --> 00:59:08,632 That was the beginning of the Riot Grrrl movement 1333 00:59:08,806 --> 00:59:09,633 or whatever you want to call it. 1334 00:59:09,807 --> 00:59:12,374 # Rebel girl # 1335 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:14,463 # Rebel girl # 1336 00:59:14,638 --> 00:59:17,641 # Rebel girl, You are the queen of my world # 1337 00:59:17,902 --> 00:59:20,426 # Rebel girl, Rebel girl # 1338 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,429 Two girls, Tobi and Kathi from my band, Bikini Kill, 1339 00:59:23,603 --> 00:59:25,474 went to see a Fugazi show. 1340 00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:27,433 Ian: And Joan and Kenny came down for the gig, 1341 00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:29,522 and you can see her in the back of this-- 1342 00:59:29,696 --> 00:59:31,480 you know, on the side of the stage just going off. 1343 00:59:31,655 --> 00:59:33,482 Kathleen Hanna: So they got one of our demo tapes. 1344 00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:35,833 They must've had one in their bag or something, 1345 00:59:36,137 --> 00:59:38,487 and then they wrote "For a good time call," 1346 00:59:38,705 --> 00:59:40,446 and they wrote my phone number. 1347 00:59:40,664 --> 00:59:43,014 Phone rings, and I pick it up, and it's like, 1348 00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:45,538 "Hey, Kathleen, it's Joan Jett." 1349 00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:48,889 And I was just like, "Yeah, whatever, who the fuck is this?" 1350 00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:50,630 "No, I was at the Fugazi show last night." 1351 00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:52,545 She's like, "I heard a demo of your band. 1352 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,329 I think it's really great, maybe we could work together." 1353 00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:56,680 I was just like, "This really is not funny." 1354 00:59:56,854 --> 00:59:58,638 So I walk into the living room. 1355 00:59:58,856 --> 01:00:00,553 We have this Glorious Misspent Youth poster. 1356 01:00:00,727 --> 01:00:02,599 I said, "Okay, if you're really Joan Jett, 1357 01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:04,557 tell me what your hair looks like." 1358 01:00:04,731 --> 01:00:09,083 And she goes, "It's like a bastardized, disheveled bob." 1359 01:00:09,257 --> 01:00:12,043 And I was like, "Oh, shit, you are Joan Jett!" 1360 01:00:12,217 --> 01:00:13,697 [laughs] 1361 01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:16,613 Joan: I got such a kick out of watching them 1362 01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:19,616 fight their fight because their fight was my fight. 1363 01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:21,618 I'm not willing to deal with the mainstream anymore 1364 01:00:21,792 --> 01:00:24,577 when they're constantly asking me questions about sexual abuse, 1365 01:00:24,751 --> 01:00:26,971 about if I've been a stripper, if I haven't been a stripper, 1366 01:00:27,145 --> 01:00:30,061 constantly just completely sexist shit. 1367 01:00:30,322 --> 01:00:32,629 And probably on another level, she related to it 1368 01:00:32,803 --> 01:00:34,152 because she's a woman, you know? 1369 01:00:34,456 --> 01:00:37,416 And she had been, of all people, in the trenches 1370 01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:40,767 in an era where women were, you know, so marginalized. 1371 01:00:41,376 --> 01:00:44,031 Kathleen: I wanted to use music to spread feminism, 1372 01:00:44,249 --> 01:00:46,730 and I thought punk was a great vehicle. 1373 01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:49,558 I equated being on a major label with, like, 1374 01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:51,865 "Oh, I'm gonna start using drugs and die." 1375 01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:53,824 Kim and Thurston from Sonic Youth 1376 01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:56,130 were really nice to us and would let us crash on the floor, 1377 01:00:56,348 --> 01:00:58,393 but Joan was the person who stepped forward 1378 01:00:58,567 --> 01:01:00,178 and said, "I want to be involved." 1379 01:01:00,352 --> 01:01:02,136 She really understood where we were coming from. 1380 01:01:02,441 --> 01:01:05,183 Joan: For lack of a better term, you know, an updated version 1381 01:01:05,357 --> 01:01:07,228 of what The Runaways were trying to achieve, 1382 01:01:07,489 --> 01:01:09,666 some kind of legitimacy. 1383 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,450 Kathleen: She kind of was the cement 1384 01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:13,321 that kept a lot of things going 1385 01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:16,542 for some of the feminist bands in the '90s, definitely for me. 1386 01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,588 I mean, she changed my whole career path 1387 01:01:19,806 --> 01:01:22,243 and taught me how to record a record. 1388 01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:24,463 Ian: When they did that Bikini Kill record, 1389 01:01:24,637 --> 01:01:26,291 they produced a record, 1390 01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:28,423 which was I think the best Bikini Kill record. 1391 01:01:28,641 --> 01:01:30,599 Joan's name is on there, but Kenny's really-- 1392 01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,123 he's involved. 1393 01:01:32,297 --> 01:01:34,603 He's working. He's always in the studio. 1394 01:01:34,821 --> 01:01:36,693 I have to say, this kind of ties in Joan pretty intensely. 1395 01:01:36,867 --> 01:01:38,695 I hadn't heard of The Runaways. 1396 01:01:38,869 --> 01:01:41,436 One of the earliest scenes that we were really interested in 1397 01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:43,003 was the LA punk scene, 1398 01:01:43,221 --> 01:01:44,657 and then The Germs' album came out, 1399 01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:46,964 and that record was hugely significant for us, 1400 01:01:47,268 --> 01:01:48,966 and Joan had produced it. 1401 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,838 Wait a minute, that's the "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" person. 1402 01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,972 Like, that's crazy that she produced this record. 1403 01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:59,237 She has been a part of not only her own music 1404 01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:01,674 that she's produced but also some of the greatest 1405 01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:04,111 punk music that's ever been put out. 1406 01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,200 TV host: We have a few friends for you to meet, 1407 01:02:06,548 --> 01:02:08,855 Mercury recording artist Joan Jett of The Runaways, 1408 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,988 and we have with us tonight The Germs 1409 01:02:11,162 --> 01:02:12,772 performing at the Whisky. 1410 01:02:12,946 --> 01:02:14,600 What are you guys gonna do tonight? 1411 01:02:14,818 --> 01:02:16,297 Same stuff we always do. 1412 01:02:16,994 --> 01:02:20,824 # ["Shut Down" by The Germs plays] # 1413 01:02:23,478 --> 01:02:25,959 Joan: The Germs, they were a pretty... 1414 01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,876 infamous LA punk band. 1415 01:02:30,355 --> 01:02:33,227 The lead singer, Darby Crash, and the guitar player, 1416 01:02:33,401 --> 01:02:35,142 Pat Smear, were huge Runaways fans. 1417 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,623 Eventually, they started this band called The Germs, 1418 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:39,756 and they were hard-core punk. 1419 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,671 [song continues] 1420 01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:46,501 Darby is some kind of crazed Colonel Kurtz-like 1421 01:02:46,675 --> 01:02:49,026 shaman of teenage people. 1422 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,421 [song continues] 1423 01:02:53,944 --> 01:02:57,295 Joan: Must have been '79 at some point before I moved, 1424 01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,167 they asked if, you know, I would produce an album, 1425 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,909 and I'm figuring you know, they think I know what I'm doing 1426 01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:05,085 because I've made a couple albums with The Runaways. 1427 01:03:05,259 --> 01:03:07,044 Don: She didn't engineer. That wasn't her thing. 1428 01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:08,828 Had a great sensibility. 1429 01:03:09,002 --> 01:03:11,352 She's like, "I think you gotta tune the guitar, Pat." 1430 01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:15,748 It was a no-frills album but just straight-up punk rock. 1431 01:03:15,922 --> 01:03:17,532 I was very proud of the record. 1432 01:03:17,706 --> 01:03:19,099 We needed someone with ears 1433 01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:21,449 and someone with a rock 'n' roll heart 1434 01:03:21,623 --> 01:03:23,625 and they're helping us make a good record, 1435 01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:25,758 and she did that, by gosh. 1436 01:03:26,063 --> 01:03:27,760 She knew how to get us to do the things. 1437 01:03:27,934 --> 01:03:31,546 And then the last day, I partied too much 1438 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,113 and passed out on the couch, 1439 01:03:33,505 --> 01:03:35,942 which Darby documents in one of the songs. 1440 01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:37,639 [singing "Shut Down"] 1441 01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,337 # Joan Jett # 1442 01:03:39,511 --> 01:03:42,862 # Passed out On the fucking set # 1443 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:48,085 [continues singing] 1444 01:03:49,129 --> 01:03:51,828 TV narrator: Since 1991, the hottest spot 1445 01:03:52,002 --> 01:03:54,134 in rock 'n' roll has been Seattle, Washington. 1446 01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:57,921 Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains 1447 01:03:58,095 --> 01:04:00,358 all came out of the local music scene. 1448 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,708 Many people thought the next breakthrough band 1449 01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:04,841 would be The Gits, a punk-rock group 1450 01:04:05,015 --> 01:04:08,540 fronted by Mia Zapata, a charismatic 27-year-old 1451 01:04:08,932 --> 01:04:10,324 with a tragic destiny. 1452 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,589 Man: [on recording] Two of her roommates 1453 01:04:14,763 --> 01:04:16,243 finally broke down 1454 01:04:16,548 --> 01:04:20,682 and called the morgue, where she-- where she was, 1455 01:04:21,118 --> 01:04:22,815 and she was an unidentified victim 1456 01:04:22,989 --> 01:04:24,208 at the morgue at that time. 1457 01:04:24,948 --> 01:04:27,602 Joan: She was found strangled to death by her-- 1458 01:04:28,821 --> 01:04:33,260 her hoodie tie, raped, and left in an alley. 1459 01:04:33,608 --> 01:04:36,263 Somehow came up in the studio with Joan, and she's just like, 1460 01:04:36,437 --> 01:04:38,875 "We gotta do something. We gotta be involved." 1461 01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:40,833 Next thing you know, she's, like, 1462 01:04:41,007 --> 01:04:43,880 singing The Gits songs 1463 01:04:44,141 --> 01:04:46,273 with the surviving members of The Gits. 1464 01:04:46,447 --> 01:04:48,145 Joan: The thing that really struck me 1465 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:53,628 really hard at the time was how it could've been 1466 01:04:53,802 --> 01:04:56,457 any one of us and how many times, you know, 1467 01:04:56,675 --> 01:04:59,896 I've come home late at night in that exact same situation. 1468 01:05:00,070 --> 01:05:01,854 She could've been me, and I could've been her. 1469 01:05:02,028 --> 01:05:03,943 Then he slapped you right across the face. 1470 01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,640 [imitates guitar strumming] 1471 01:05:05,814 --> 01:05:09,644 And there's no singing. So it emphasizes that. 1472 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,821 It was a very strange thing because it was-- 1473 01:05:12,996 --> 01:05:14,649 you're celebrating the music, 1474 01:05:14,823 --> 01:05:16,738 but it was about such a horrible thing. 1475 01:05:16,956 --> 01:05:18,697 It's gonna blow their minds. It's unbelievable. 1476 01:05:18,871 --> 01:05:20,394 Joan: It's like, really good. 1477 01:05:20,699 --> 01:05:23,180 Interviewer: How did you guys make that very painful decision 1478 01:05:23,354 --> 01:05:24,833 to keep on playing? 1479 01:05:25,008 --> 01:05:27,924 Because Mia would be really upset if we didn't. 1480 01:05:28,098 --> 01:05:31,753 Joan: When you see the footage and you see how close they were 1481 01:05:32,058 --> 01:05:34,626 and you see Andy and Mia joking onstage 1482 01:05:34,843 --> 01:05:37,846 and you see this rapport and how close they were, 1483 01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:38,935 I mean... 1484 01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:46,943 [voice breaks] It really had to be devastating, you know? 1485 01:05:48,118 --> 01:05:51,077 Hey, we'd like to thank you all right here real quick 1486 01:05:51,382 --> 01:05:55,647 for coming out to Viva Zapata. 1487 01:05:55,864 --> 01:05:56,996 Thank you for supporting. 1488 01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:58,867 All the money went to charity. 1489 01:05:59,216 --> 01:06:01,131 To help protect women walking home, 1490 01:06:01,305 --> 01:06:03,829 self-defense classes, all kinds of stuff. 1491 01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,613 It was a big deal at the time 1492 01:06:05,831 --> 01:06:08,660 because women were getting raped, murdered. 1493 01:06:08,834 --> 01:06:11,402 Kenny: It was also to contribute money for the private eye-- 1494 01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:14,318 Joan: To find the guy that killed Mia. 1495 01:06:16,146 --> 01:06:18,844 # But I think I know It hurts me to be angry # 1496 01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:20,454 # Kills me to be kind # 1497 01:06:20,628 --> 01:06:22,152 Joan: I'll still never forget the day 1498 01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:25,633 I got a phone call from Steve Moriarty. 1499 01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:30,203 No hello, no nothing. "We got him." 1500 01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:38,777 # So messed up I want you here # 1501 01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:44,000 Thommy Price: The mid-'90s, you know, 1502 01:06:44,174 --> 01:06:47,090 we were doing all of these one-off shows. 1503 01:06:47,264 --> 01:06:49,875 You'd be going to a crappy little town 1504 01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:55,402 doing a state fair not really LA but three hours outside of LA. 1505 01:06:55,794 --> 01:06:59,450 I went through a phase where I didn't really give a crap. 1506 01:07:01,365 --> 01:07:03,280 Because they were, you know, 1507 01:07:03,541 --> 01:07:06,544 gigs that I felt we shouldn't have been doing or whatever. 1508 01:07:06,718 --> 01:07:10,330 # Now I wanna Be your dog # 1509 01:07:10,678 --> 01:07:14,291 # Now I wanna Be your dog # 1510 01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,032 Kenny: Our business is funny. 1511 01:07:16,206 --> 01:07:18,208 You're hot and important, then you're not. 1512 01:07:18,425 --> 01:07:19,992 Joan: It was a bad feeling, but I always felt 1513 01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:22,429 like we had to fight on. 1514 01:07:22,821 --> 01:07:26,825 We knew we had what it took. We didn't stop working. 1515 01:07:26,999 --> 01:07:29,349 - And so-- -Kenny: It was not fun. 1516 01:07:31,221 --> 01:07:35,094 Unless you've been gifted in your 20s 1517 01:07:35,268 --> 01:07:38,402 with incredible piles of money 1518 01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:40,708 being thrown at you by the system, 1519 01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:44,060 which almost all really, really good musicians are not... 1520 01:07:46,149 --> 01:07:52,546 # Yes, and now I'm ready To close my eyes # 1521 01:07:54,026 --> 01:07:55,593 # Yes, and now... # 1522 01:07:55,810 --> 01:07:58,552 Iggy Pop: You need to exert incredible focus 1523 01:07:58,813 --> 01:08:01,207 on maintaining your own identity 1524 01:08:01,686 --> 01:08:05,211 while still using a skill to enter the system 1525 01:08:05,385 --> 01:08:09,433 without destroying yourself as a force. 1526 01:08:10,216 --> 01:08:15,091 # Yes, and lose my heart On burning sand # 1527 01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,355 Come on, Charleston, I wanna hear you now! 1528 01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:23,273 Debbie: You have to be really willing to go anywhere with it, 1529 01:08:23,447 --> 01:08:26,667 up or down, you know, sideways, whatever. 1530 01:08:26,841 --> 01:08:30,454 Thommy: Joan, she gives it 100 percent 1531 01:08:30,715 --> 01:08:34,806 whether it's a state fair, a sweet 16 birthday party, 1532 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,982 or 10,000 people. 1533 01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:41,117 She still gives it her all. No matter what. 1534 01:08:41,465 --> 01:08:45,425 [shouts indistinctly, plays solo] 1535 01:08:45,643 --> 01:08:48,080 Dana White: I saw her live at a summer music festival 1536 01:08:48,254 --> 01:08:51,997 here in Las Vegas, 110 degrees out, full leather, 1537 01:08:52,258 --> 01:08:55,000 up on stage just ripping it apart. 1538 01:08:55,261 --> 01:08:57,611 'Cause this was mid-'90s to late '90s. 1539 01:08:57,916 --> 01:09:00,310 We ended up doing some private thing together. 1540 01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,007 I was like, "Man, I forgot 1541 01:09:02,181 --> 01:09:04,227 how bad-ass Joan Jett was," you know? 1542 01:09:04,401 --> 01:09:06,707 Rock 'n' roll animal, I mean, is there was ever anyone 1543 01:09:06,881 --> 01:09:09,754 that fit that description, it's Joan through and through. 1544 01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:18,284 Kenny: I would say our period during the '90s 1545 01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:20,243 was the most difficult. 1546 01:09:20,417 --> 01:09:23,463 If it was our fate to split up, it would have been then, 1547 01:09:24,072 --> 01:09:25,378 but we stuck together. 1548 01:09:26,205 --> 01:09:27,511 [man laughs] 1549 01:09:27,728 --> 01:09:29,295 Pretty scary sight? 1550 01:09:29,469 --> 01:09:30,644 Man: It's a beautiful thing. 1551 01:09:31,210 --> 01:09:32,820 You know what? 1552 01:09:33,081 --> 01:09:35,301 I'm not trying to tell you how to do lights or anything. 1553 01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:37,695 Doesn't it get cold in the middle of the show? 1554 01:09:37,912 --> 01:09:40,045 We got a band here from New York City 1555 01:09:40,306 --> 01:09:43,744 that have been performing for soldiers for 18 years. 1556 01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:47,139 I wasn't for the Vietnam War, but I also had people 1557 01:09:47,313 --> 01:09:50,534 in my family, like my godfather, Uncle Nat, 1558 01:09:51,317 --> 01:09:53,363 who said, "You have to serve your country." 1559 01:09:53,537 --> 01:09:57,018 So I started doing stuff for the troops. 1560 01:09:57,367 --> 01:09:59,586 Joan: I feel it's really important to give back 1561 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,501 and serve on some level, 1562 01:10:01,675 --> 01:10:04,200 and since I didn't in that capacity, 1563 01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,332 I feel like that's the least I can do. 1564 01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:10,075 Kenny: I never connected the troops with the policy. 1565 01:10:10,249 --> 01:10:11,555 General Byrnes: We put on a show, 1566 01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:14,862 packed house in Tuzla, Bosnia, 1567 01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:17,038 and you could see her opening up 1568 01:10:17,256 --> 01:10:20,128 and trying to understand what the people in that region 1569 01:10:20,303 --> 01:10:23,915 had been through, a very bloody three-year conflict. 1570 01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:26,352 Joan: I'm an antiwar person 1571 01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:30,748 who loves the people in the military. 1572 01:10:31,009 --> 01:10:34,099 I don't like the military for the military's sake. 1573 01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,580 Isn't it scary that kids fight the wars? 1574 01:10:36,797 --> 01:10:37,885 Yeah. 1575 01:10:38,408 --> 01:10:40,192 - It's scary that there's war. - Isn't it? 1576 01:10:40,366 --> 01:10:41,498 It's scary that they're fighting 1577 01:10:41,672 --> 01:10:43,282 because there are two religions 1578 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:46,285 and they can't just be curious about each other 1579 01:10:46,503 --> 01:10:48,896 instead of dominant over one another. 1580 01:10:49,332 --> 01:10:51,116 Long ago, we decided that was the tack 1581 01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:53,597 we were gonna take as species, you know, 1582 01:10:53,771 --> 01:10:58,819 that we were gonna dominate instead of sort of merge. 1583 01:10:59,167 --> 01:11:02,083 # [playing "Fetish"] # 1584 01:11:07,698 --> 01:11:12,311 # Oh, look good in latex # 1585 01:11:15,793 --> 01:11:20,972 # Get off having rough sex # 1586 01:11:22,974 --> 01:11:25,759 When 9/11 happened, 1587 01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:30,155 the first thing I thought of was we gotta get over there. 1588 01:11:30,547 --> 01:11:32,200 They said they didn't want the band. 1589 01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:33,985 They wanted just Kenny and I. 1590 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:35,682 They wanted to keep the footprints light. 1591 01:11:36,074 --> 01:11:38,250 People were just incredulous. "Why are you here?" 1592 01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:40,426 We said, "We're here 'cause you're here. 1593 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:42,515 We just want to say thank you." 1594 01:11:42,733 --> 01:11:44,212 Byrnes: The way she interacted, 1595 01:11:44,387 --> 01:11:46,214 there was nothing artificial about it. 1596 01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:49,043 Others would come, put on a show and leave. 1597 01:11:49,217 --> 01:11:50,610 Joan stayed. 1598 01:11:50,784 --> 01:11:52,438 I got so much positive feedback 1599 01:11:52,612 --> 01:11:54,440 about how she made them feel. 1600 01:11:54,614 --> 01:11:56,442 And, oh, my God, I have to say this. 1601 01:11:56,616 --> 01:11:58,270 You lifted up your arm, and you've got hair 1602 01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:00,316 under your armpits and no hair on your head! 1603 01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:03,275 I love that! It's genius! It's genius! 1604 01:12:03,841 --> 01:12:06,887 You sound like my producer, Kenny Laguna. 1605 01:12:07,148 --> 01:12:08,411 Will you show that again? 1606 01:12:08,846 --> 01:12:10,195 Joan: Now what are you doing? 1607 01:12:11,065 --> 01:12:13,154 Kenny: Why can't you guys get off my back? 1608 01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:17,594 Because it's such a lovely back. 1609 01:12:18,899 --> 01:12:20,379 Kenny: Do you want to lick it? 1610 01:12:20,553 --> 01:12:21,902 No, I don't wanna lick it. 1611 01:12:23,382 --> 01:12:25,776 - Kenny: There's no hair on it. - I don't care. 1612 01:12:26,603 --> 01:12:27,821 Billie Joe: It's almost like watching 1613 01:12:27,995 --> 01:12:29,301 The Odd Couple a little bit. 1614 01:12:29,475 --> 01:12:30,389 There's something about those two. 1615 01:12:30,607 --> 01:12:31,912 There's a special bond 1616 01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:33,697 and chemistry that they have between them. 1617 01:12:33,914 --> 01:12:35,699 Kind of like George and Gracie in reverse or something. 1618 01:12:35,873 --> 01:12:38,441 Can't you just keep your thoughts to yourself for once? 1619 01:12:38,615 --> 01:12:41,008 You've been saying the same thing over and over 1620 01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:43,359 and over and over all day since I woke up. 1621 01:12:43,533 --> 01:12:45,273 Well, 'cause you said as soon as I wouldn't 1622 01:12:45,491 --> 01:12:48,842 hand you the thing, then you had to storm out! 1623 01:12:49,016 --> 01:12:51,323 Joan: I'm not arguing with you anymore. 1624 01:12:51,628 --> 01:12:53,717 You can tell there's a deep love for each other 1625 01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,067 and that they're inseparable people. 1626 01:12:56,328 --> 01:12:58,374 They're alter egos in a way, aren't they? 1627 01:12:58,548 --> 01:13:01,246 They're twins from different fathers. 1628 01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,335 [laughs] In a sense. 1629 01:13:03,509 --> 01:13:06,512 And I guess that happens with most good friendships. 1630 01:13:06,686 --> 01:13:09,820 I think people get so stuck on relationships being... 1631 01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:15,129 a sexual relationship or having to be a romantic relationship. 1632 01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:17,654 Bill: What is it with your best friend 1633 01:13:17,958 --> 01:13:20,352 that you hit things off with so easily? 1634 01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:22,963 You know, you actually know what the other guy's thinking. 1635 01:13:23,224 --> 01:13:24,704 You tune in, and I suppose 1636 01:13:24,878 --> 01:13:26,619 that's what they've got going for them. 1637 01:13:26,793 --> 01:13:28,491 People don't find this in their life partners. 1638 01:13:28,665 --> 01:13:30,580 People don't have the love they have in marriages. 1639 01:13:30,754 --> 01:13:32,103 That's why they don't stay together 1640 01:13:32,277 --> 01:13:33,365 as long as Kenny and Joan. 1641 01:13:34,235 --> 01:13:37,282 Bill: It's a marriage without the sex, really. 1642 01:13:37,543 --> 01:13:39,371 Um, it's a mentor marriage. 1643 01:13:40,241 --> 01:13:42,026 Miley: People literally are fucking married 1644 01:13:42,243 --> 01:13:44,898 to people that they hate, and then you see these two. 1645 01:13:45,508 --> 01:13:48,989 I'm putting this on just so it'll be done for the future. 1646 01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:50,556 This is going in the trash. 1647 01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:52,297 No it's not. I'm sending it to Caesar. 1648 01:13:52,906 --> 01:13:54,517 No. You'll just make another one, Kenny. 1649 01:13:54,691 --> 01:13:56,301 I don't care. I'm sending it to him. 1650 01:13:56,475 --> 01:13:58,695 No you're not, he won't be able to get the tape off, 1651 01:13:58,956 --> 01:14:00,348 and it'll mark up the stuff. 1652 01:14:00,871 --> 01:14:04,004 He's gonna do-- I know him. Don't give me a fucking face. 1653 01:14:04,614 --> 01:14:06,529 Kenny is just-- He's just the classic 1654 01:14:06,703 --> 01:14:08,879 New York dude that just loves music, 1655 01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:11,359 and he's a really caring person that loves Joan 1656 01:14:11,534 --> 01:14:13,797 and just loves rock music 1657 01:14:14,014 --> 01:14:16,103 and just wants it to just prevail. 1658 01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:18,192 Out, please. I gotta get changed. 1659 01:14:18,715 --> 01:14:20,673 I'm sending it to The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. 1660 01:14:22,762 --> 01:14:24,547 It's the one you almost wore. 1661 01:14:24,721 --> 01:14:26,723 Kathleen: He's a hard-core feminist man. 1662 01:14:27,158 --> 01:14:30,335 He is totally just a contrarian. 1663 01:14:30,509 --> 01:14:32,380 And he likes to fuck with everything 1664 01:14:32,555 --> 01:14:33,817 anybody says ever. 1665 01:14:34,034 --> 01:14:35,383 They're a family with each other, 1666 01:14:35,558 --> 01:14:37,255 and they're interdependent on each other. 1667 01:14:37,429 --> 01:14:39,039 They really are partners. 1668 01:14:39,257 --> 01:14:41,346 Sure, it's dysfunctional. Everything's dysfunctional. 1669 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,305 But it's like it's my kind of dysfunctional. 1670 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,569 Miley: And people want to tell, I guess, everyone 1671 01:14:46,743 --> 01:14:48,222 how to be and who to love, 1672 01:14:48,396 --> 01:14:49,746 but you can't help who you love, 1673 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,574 and you can't help what your relationship 1674 01:14:51,835 --> 01:14:53,401 is with them either. 1675 01:14:53,793 --> 01:14:55,447 Dougie Needles: Whenever they appear to be at odds... 1676 01:14:55,665 --> 01:14:58,581 [chuckles] Just wait until it blows over. 1677 01:14:58,755 --> 01:15:00,408 Because it does, it blows over, and ten minutes later-- 1678 01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:01,801 not even, five minutes later, 1679 01:15:01,975 --> 01:15:03,586 they're acting like it never happened. 1680 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,718 Best friends are supposed to annoy you a little bit. 1681 01:15:05,936 --> 01:15:07,720 They gotta push your buttons a little. 1682 01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:09,722 They keep you alive. 1683 01:15:09,896 --> 01:15:11,419 So it's an extraordinary situation. 1684 01:15:11,594 --> 01:15:13,509 You won't see another one like it, really. 1685 01:15:13,857 --> 01:15:15,511 Kenny: So the years went by. 1686 01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:18,470 Even though we were having some profile, 1687 01:15:18,644 --> 01:15:20,254 we were not making money. 1688 01:15:20,646 --> 01:15:24,171 Carianne came back from Colorado, 1689 01:15:24,389 --> 01:15:26,217 and Cari came on board. 1690 01:15:26,609 --> 01:15:29,394 When I got there, my father was ready 1691 01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:32,528 to sign Rick Derringer's Christian album. 1692 01:15:32,702 --> 01:15:34,530 It was "Rock & Roll, Hoochie Koo," 1693 01:15:34,704 --> 01:15:36,227 and instead of "Rock & Roll, Hoochie Koo," 1694 01:15:36,401 --> 01:15:37,837 it was "Jesus Christ, Hoochie Koo." 1695 01:15:38,055 --> 01:15:40,231 My father always had this philosophy of, 1696 01:15:40,405 --> 01:15:42,712 "If they're a friend, we will put it out." 1697 01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:45,062 Kenny: You know, she was like, "I'll stick around, 1698 01:15:45,584 --> 01:15:48,456 but we've gotta treat this like a real label." 1699 01:15:48,631 --> 01:15:51,285 And she had grown up in the business 1700 01:15:51,459 --> 01:15:53,636 but also had the attitude of a young person. 1701 01:15:54,114 --> 01:15:57,683 Like, I didn't want iTunes. iTunes to me was the enemy. 1702 01:15:57,857 --> 01:16:00,468 I'm selling "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" for $17. 1703 01:16:00,643 --> 01:16:01,861 I don't want to sell it for a dollar. 1704 01:16:02,296 --> 01:16:03,907 She finally talked me into doing it, 1705 01:16:04,081 --> 01:16:06,518 and the first month, we sold 70,000 1706 01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:08,564 "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" downloads, 1707 01:16:09,434 --> 01:16:11,741 and we were in business. 1708 01:16:12,306 --> 01:16:14,482 Joan: Cari came in, and boom, boom, boom, boom. 1709 01:16:14,657 --> 01:16:16,528 Kenny: I had a meeting with Kevin Lyman, 1710 01:16:16,702 --> 01:16:18,486 who owns The Warped Tour. 1711 01:16:18,661 --> 01:16:20,793 The Warped Tour was this hip thing, 1712 01:16:20,967 --> 01:16:24,144 and it was kind of a weird concept for Joan 1713 01:16:24,318 --> 01:16:25,668 to go on The Warped Tour. 1714 01:16:25,842 --> 01:16:27,452 Carianne Brinkman: I think at that point, 1715 01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:31,325 Joan was not feeling as inspired and my father, too. 1716 01:16:31,499 --> 01:16:33,893 I didn't see the fire that I saw 1717 01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:35,721 after The Warped Tour. 1718 01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:40,073 It reignited her, and it reignited the passion. 1719 01:16:40,378 --> 01:16:43,599 [crowd cheering] 1720 01:16:43,773 --> 01:16:47,428 How's everybody doing? Wow, look where we are. 1721 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:48,778 This is so pretty. 1722 01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:52,303 I was actually born in Pennsylvania. 1723 01:16:52,477 --> 01:16:56,176 [crowd cheering] 1724 01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,701 Laura Jane Grace: And you're traveling around the US 1725 01:16:58,875 --> 01:17:00,746 and playing in parking lots, and I'm like, "Whoa, 1726 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,661 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts are gonna be on this tour?" 1727 01:17:02,835 --> 01:17:04,141 Joan's a real rock star, 1728 01:17:04,315 --> 01:17:05,969 and we just all want to be rock stars. 1729 01:17:06,143 --> 01:17:08,536 I just will forever have that mental image 1730 01:17:08,754 --> 01:17:13,324 of Joan on her BMX bike with camo cutoff shorts 1731 01:17:13,585 --> 01:17:16,283 and big black sunglasses just riding around 1732 01:17:16,457 --> 01:17:18,155 hanging out with everyone. 1733 01:17:18,329 --> 01:17:20,592 Carianne: You could just see she was having fun, 1734 01:17:20,897 --> 01:17:24,509 and she was reminded of what it was in the beginning. 1735 01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:26,293 # It ain't mine # 1736 01:17:26,554 --> 01:17:28,208 # It ain't yours # 1737 01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:30,341 # But I'm here # 1738 01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:32,299 # I ain't going anywhere # 1739 01:17:32,473 --> 01:17:33,823 # It ain't his # 1740 01:17:33,997 --> 01:17:35,738 # It ain't hers # 1741 01:17:36,129 --> 01:17:37,957 # It's for all # 1742 01:17:38,305 --> 01:17:40,743 # Is that something We can learn? # 1743 01:17:40,917 --> 01:17:42,919 Laura Jane: Your motivations in order to survive 1744 01:17:43,093 --> 01:17:45,617 doing something like that can't be, like, 1745 01:17:45,791 --> 01:17:47,401 fame and fortune. 1746 01:17:47,575 --> 01:17:49,577 You know, it has to be the overall package 1747 01:17:49,795 --> 01:17:53,538 of, like, I'm going to be good at every single element of this 1748 01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:55,758 or work at every single element of this. 1749 01:17:55,932 --> 01:17:58,499 Seeing that as a younger musician at the time, 1750 01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:00,850 you know, those are the people I want to learn from. 1751 01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:06,116 # Gotta change this world # 1752 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:08,335 Carianne: From there, we found our voice. 1753 01:18:08,771 --> 01:18:11,034 We found our next chapter. 1754 01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:12,818 Joan: She runs the company now. 1755 01:18:13,819 --> 01:18:18,998 I think that's just a beautiful cycle of life 1756 01:18:19,172 --> 01:18:20,565 when you see it right in front of you. 1757 01:18:20,739 --> 01:18:23,437 We wanted to be a place that said yes to people 1758 01:18:23,873 --> 01:18:26,702 and gave a platform for young bands 1759 01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:32,403 that didn't fit into any kind of typical major-label box. 1760 01:18:32,751 --> 01:18:34,535 # ["Feminazi" by Fea plays] # 1761 01:18:41,891 --> 01:18:44,284 Fea: There's a lot of bullshit going on right now 1762 01:18:44,589 --> 01:18:47,418 with a dum-dum in office, so we're musicians. 1763 01:18:47,635 --> 01:18:49,028 We have a platform, 1764 01:18:49,202 --> 01:18:50,900 people paying attention to our music and lyrics. 1765 01:18:51,204 --> 01:18:53,859 She always let us speak freely because she does so herself. 1766 01:18:54,033 --> 01:18:57,036 [song continues] 1767 01:19:04,783 --> 01:19:06,611 So in my final stay at the state, 1768 01:19:06,872 --> 01:19:08,569 I was giving advice 1769 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,136 to the new governor 1770 01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:12,182 that I've taken from someone who I admire, 1771 01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:13,879 and they all know that I love Joan Jett, 1772 01:19:14,053 --> 01:19:16,055 and so I just gave one of her quotes 1773 01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:18,623 where she said, you know, "Be yourself. 1774 01:19:18,797 --> 01:19:20,146 That's the way it's supposed to be." 1775 01:19:20,668 --> 01:19:23,019 Shepard Fairey: A lot of musicians, entertainers, 1776 01:19:23,323 --> 01:19:26,065 they develop a degree of success and notoriety 1777 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:27,675 from their work, and frequently, 1778 01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:30,722 they're less inclined to take a stand 1779 01:19:30,896 --> 01:19:33,290 because that might alienate a segment of their audience. 1780 01:19:33,594 --> 01:19:36,293 Joan, on the other hand, is very outspoken. 1781 01:19:36,684 --> 01:19:40,863 When I came out in 2012 as transgender, um, 1782 01:19:41,124 --> 01:19:44,605 Joan was one of the first people to contact me to just say, like, 1783 01:19:44,823 --> 01:19:46,651 "Hey, you know, if you need a friend 1784 01:19:46,825 --> 01:19:48,740 or someone to talk to, I'm here." 1785 01:19:48,914 --> 01:19:51,874 # Well, now, Don't get him wrong # 1786 01:19:52,048 --> 01:19:56,400 # And don't get him mad, He might be a father... # 1787 01:19:56,574 --> 01:19:59,011 Laura Jane: And it really-- it meant a lot to me, you know, 1788 01:19:59,185 --> 01:20:01,927 that there were few people that I felt like I could relate to 1789 01:20:02,101 --> 01:20:05,235 at that time and few people that, you know, I felt like 1790 01:20:05,409 --> 01:20:07,367 I had any kind of shared experiences with, 1791 01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,108 not just, like, being in a band 1792 01:20:09,282 --> 01:20:11,284 but when you're talking about gender fluidity. 1793 01:20:11,632 --> 01:20:13,896 All: # Androgynous # 1794 01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,379 # Closer than you know, Love each other so # 1795 01:20:19,553 --> 01:20:22,121 Michael: I know she championed for women's causes 1796 01:20:22,295 --> 01:20:24,515 and LGBTQ causes, and that's all great, 1797 01:20:24,689 --> 01:20:26,952 but I don't think she's mushy about it. 1798 01:20:27,126 --> 01:20:29,085 All: # See no damage # 1799 01:20:29,650 --> 01:20:30,608 She's straightforward about it. 1800 01:20:30,782 --> 01:20:32,175 This is the way it should be, 1801 01:20:32,349 --> 01:20:33,654 and fuck you... if you don't see it that way. 1802 01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:37,963 All: # Kewpie dolls And urine stalls # 1803 01:20:38,137 --> 01:20:43,490 # Will be laughed at the way You're laughed at now # 1804 01:20:43,795 --> 01:20:47,016 I wish that more people who were in a position 1805 01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:51,281 to use their voice beyond just the art 1806 01:20:51,455 --> 01:20:53,979 that they create, you know, would do that. 1807 01:20:54,197 --> 01:20:55,763 Gene Baur: The way we interact with animals 1808 01:20:55,938 --> 01:20:57,330 says a lot about who we are. 1809 01:20:57,548 --> 01:21:01,813 When we treat them with cruelty, it says something. 1810 01:21:01,987 --> 01:21:03,249 When we treat them with kindness, 1811 01:21:03,423 --> 01:21:05,077 it says something very different. 1812 01:21:05,251 --> 01:21:07,210 Joan: The way our culture thinks about animals 1813 01:21:07,384 --> 01:21:09,995 or doesn't think about them and their lives 1814 01:21:10,169 --> 01:21:13,956 and how they think and that they feel pain and that they scream. 1815 01:21:14,130 --> 01:21:15,740 Joan: [on phone] Chickens recognize each other 1816 01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:18,003 by their faces, just like we do. 1817 01:21:18,221 --> 01:21:20,179 Interviewer: What do you want Norway to do? 1818 01:21:21,441 --> 01:21:24,009 Stop supporting the seal slaughter in Canada. 1819 01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:27,883 Joan has always shown up. She speaks out for animals. 1820 01:21:28,057 --> 01:21:31,016 She speaks out for people who don't have enough of a voice. 1821 01:21:31,190 --> 01:21:32,800 Most people don't think about it. 1822 01:21:33,062 --> 01:21:34,541 Michelle Cho: Animal rights is human rights. 1823 01:21:34,715 --> 01:21:36,021 You know, humans are animals. 1824 01:21:36,369 --> 01:21:39,677 We all have the capacity to feel pain, 1825 01:21:40,025 --> 01:21:42,767 to feel fear, to suffer. 1826 01:21:42,941 --> 01:21:44,812 Joan: And I'm not trying to demonize people 1827 01:21:44,987 --> 01:21:47,859 that do eat meat, and I try not to preach to them, 1828 01:21:48,033 --> 01:21:50,688 but I do talk to people about it if they're curious. 1829 01:21:52,777 --> 01:21:54,605 What have you been writing? What are you doing? 1830 01:21:54,779 --> 01:21:56,433 Where you been? How you doing? 1831 01:21:56,607 --> 01:21:58,652 Well, between watching The View-- 1832 01:21:59,001 --> 01:22:00,959 - 'Cause I watch it-- - [audience cheers] 1833 01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:03,570 Yeah. I watch every day. I did a movie. 1834 01:22:03,744 --> 01:22:06,312 I executive produced a film about my first band 1835 01:22:06,486 --> 01:22:08,836 called The Runaways that had Kristen Stewart, 1836 01:22:09,011 --> 01:22:10,838 Dakota Fanning in it, thank you. 1837 01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:14,103 # Blonde bombshell Better wear it well # 1838 01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:16,932 # Your mama says You're going straight to hell # 1839 01:22:17,106 --> 01:22:18,498 Kristen Stewart: In a rehearsal, before 1840 01:22:18,759 --> 01:22:20,761 we actually shot "Cherry Bomb," 1841 01:22:21,023 --> 01:22:22,807 I was, like-- couldn't commit to it, 1842 01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:24,330 just felt like I was traipsing on something. 1843 01:22:24,504 --> 01:22:26,028 I'm not good at rehearsal. 1844 01:22:26,332 --> 01:22:28,030 So she was like, "What are you doing? Come on. 1845 01:22:28,204 --> 01:22:30,293 You know this. You got this." I was like, "I know, I know. 1846 01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:32,121 I know, I know. I do got it. Don't worry." 1847 01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:34,514 And she was like, "Pussy to the fuckin' wood." 1848 01:22:34,688 --> 01:22:36,473 And I was like, "All right." It's funny, 1849 01:22:36,647 --> 01:22:38,040 'cause, like, rock 'n' roll is supposed to be messy 1850 01:22:38,214 --> 01:22:39,780 and fuck it, nothing matters, 1851 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:41,695 but it's truly the opposite of that for her. 1852 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,872 She has, like, a diligent almost, like, 1853 01:22:45,134 --> 01:22:48,093 compulsive, like, dedication to it. 1854 01:22:48,441 --> 01:22:50,008 And then was just like, "Kristen... 1855 01:22:52,271 --> 01:22:53,316 pussy to the wood." 1856 01:22:53,838 --> 01:22:55,231 # My brain began to fry # 1857 01:22:55,622 --> 01:22:56,841 I think the most surprising thing 1858 01:22:57,015 --> 01:22:58,495 is just how emotional she is, 1859 01:22:58,669 --> 01:23:00,105 and I guess in retrospect it makes total sense. 1860 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:02,238 You look at the music, and it definitely has 1861 01:23:02,455 --> 01:23:05,632 this kind of precious, gritty, 1862 01:23:06,807 --> 01:23:10,942 girly, feminine snarl that could only come 1863 01:23:11,116 --> 01:23:12,639 from somewhere that's a little self-protective. 1864 01:23:12,857 --> 01:23:14,902 So here is a lady who I can't believe 1865 01:23:15,077 --> 01:23:17,514 is not in The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame 1866 01:23:17,688 --> 01:23:18,732 who should be. 1867 01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:21,474 Ladies and gentlemen, Joan Jett. 1868 01:23:21,648 --> 01:23:24,912 [crowd cheering] 1869 01:23:25,087 --> 01:23:27,915 [playing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana] 1870 01:23:36,185 --> 01:23:38,404 Dave Grohl: We all have our fucking heroes, you know? 1871 01:23:41,277 --> 01:23:43,279 And we made friends 1872 01:23:43,844 --> 01:23:46,891 with one of our fucking greatest rock-'n'-roll heroes. 1873 01:23:47,109 --> 01:23:49,763 She made Pat want to fucking start a band, 1874 01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:52,897 made it okay to be fucking dirty and cool 1875 01:23:53,071 --> 01:23:56,640 and play rock 'n' roll like a real rock-'n'-roller. 1876 01:23:57,206 --> 01:24:01,166 # I'm worse At what I do best # 1877 01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:04,952 # And for this gift I feel blessed # 1878 01:24:05,301 --> 01:24:09,392 # Our little group Has always been # 1879 01:24:09,566 --> 01:24:13,222 # And always will Until the end # 1880 01:24:13,396 --> 01:24:17,139 # Hello, hello, hello How low # 1881 01:24:17,443 --> 01:24:21,056 # Hello, hello hello How low # 1882 01:24:21,404 --> 01:24:25,364 # Hello, hello, hello How low # 1883 01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:26,670 # Hello # 1884 01:24:28,193 --> 01:24:31,936 # With the lights out, It's less dangerous # 1885 01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:35,940 # Here we are now, Entertain us # 1886 01:24:36,114 --> 01:24:39,987 # I feel stupid And contagious # 1887 01:24:40,336 --> 01:24:44,122 # Here we are now, Entertain us # 1888 01:24:44,296 --> 01:24:48,126 # A mulatto, an albino # 1889 01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:52,130 # A mosquito, my libido # 1890 01:24:52,348 --> 01:24:55,090 Hey, just 'cause you wore a cape doesn't mean I gotta. 1891 01:24:55,264 --> 01:24:57,657 You know what? I had a cape. 1892 01:24:57,875 --> 01:25:00,225 And I left it at home because you were wearing a fucking cape, 1893 01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:02,358 and now you're not gonna wear the cape? 1894 01:25:03,141 --> 01:25:04,751 - Can I wear her cape? - Yes. 1895 01:25:05,796 --> 01:25:06,884 Man: Try it on. 1896 01:25:09,191 --> 01:25:11,671 Joan: Depending on what you think is a normal, 1897 01:25:11,932 --> 01:25:13,369 regular life, 1898 01:25:13,673 --> 01:25:15,240 being in a band, you know, 1899 01:25:15,414 --> 01:25:17,373 you're pretty much all consumed with it, yeah. 1900 01:25:17,547 --> 01:25:20,245 Is that healthy? I don't know. 1901 01:25:20,419 --> 01:25:23,335 I'm not a doctor. Probably not super. 1902 01:25:24,075 --> 01:25:27,122 But, you know, it's what I enjoy. 1903 01:25:28,210 --> 01:25:30,777 I think it makes it sort of difficult 1904 01:25:30,951 --> 01:25:32,301 to have relationships. 1905 01:25:32,518 --> 01:25:34,259 I would think that would probably be-- 1906 01:25:34,694 --> 01:25:38,437 I guess if you call it a sacrifice, that would be it. 1907 01:25:38,959 --> 01:25:42,833 To say music is my mate would be pretty fair statement. 1908 01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:44,922 And I get a lot from it. 1909 01:25:47,272 --> 01:25:49,753 But it's not-- it's not a person. 1910 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,104 And I think I know the difference. 1911 01:25:53,409 --> 01:25:56,020 I'm gonna start off this induction 1912 01:25:56,499 --> 01:26:00,285 with the first time I wanted to have sex with Joan Jett. 1913 01:26:00,590 --> 01:26:03,419 [audience cheers] 1914 01:26:03,593 --> 01:26:06,117 And we were doing Oprah together, 1915 01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:08,641 and I go up to Joan's hotel room, 1916 01:26:09,207 --> 01:26:12,123 and Joan opens the door, and I come in, 1917 01:26:12,297 --> 01:26:14,473 and Kenny Laguna is laying in bed. 1918 01:26:14,778 --> 01:26:16,823 And I don't know what the fuck is going on. 1919 01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:19,609 Joan: Oh, looks beautiful. You look beautiful. 1920 01:26:20,262 --> 01:26:21,654 Man: That's it. You're wearing the cape. 1921 01:26:22,394 --> 01:26:23,439 Screamin' Jay Hawkins. 1922 01:26:24,875 --> 01:26:27,704 I know there isn't one other person on this planet 1923 01:26:28,052 --> 01:26:31,273 that's been an inspiration to me like you have, and-- 1924 01:26:31,447 --> 01:26:33,275 Is being famous important to you? 1925 01:26:33,623 --> 01:26:35,146 I want a certain sort of fame. 1926 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:36,974 Like when they write the ultimate 1927 01:26:37,148 --> 01:26:40,238 rock 'n' roll history book, I want my name to be there, 1928 01:26:40,456 --> 01:26:41,979 you know, standing for something, 1929 01:26:42,153 --> 01:26:44,460 like being one of the first females to really, 1930 01:26:45,156 --> 01:26:46,592 you know, play rock 'n' roll 1931 01:26:46,766 --> 01:26:48,246 and have that sort of rock-'n'-roll spirit. 1932 01:26:48,638 --> 01:26:50,596 - [crowd cheering] - Hi! 1933 01:26:53,556 --> 01:26:55,122 Kathleen: I think people don't think of her like, 1934 01:26:55,297 --> 01:26:56,907 "Oh, you know, feminist", 1935 01:26:57,081 --> 01:26:59,170 like, immediately, but the visceral experience 1936 01:26:59,344 --> 01:27:02,260 of Joan is a feminist experience for me. 1937 01:27:02,478 --> 01:27:06,960 Watching the way she holds herself like a normal person, 1938 01:27:07,309 --> 01:27:09,093 not like someone who is self-conscious 1939 01:27:09,267 --> 01:27:11,226 and trying to be a good girl. 1940 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,404 Here's somebody who was born to do this and is doing it. 1941 01:27:15,578 --> 01:27:17,884 There's just those rare times where you feel like 1942 01:27:18,058 --> 01:27:20,147 someone was put on the planet to show you 1943 01:27:20,322 --> 01:27:22,672 what rock 'n' roll music is. 1944 01:27:23,107 --> 01:27:24,543 It could be Bowie. It could be Kurt Cobain. 1945 01:27:24,717 --> 01:27:26,023 It's definitely Joan Jett. 1946 01:27:26,328 --> 01:27:28,765 [cheering continues] 1947 01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:31,202 I was really gonna try not to cry and be tough, 1948 01:27:31,376 --> 01:27:33,378 but that's a little overwhelming there. 1949 01:27:33,552 --> 01:27:34,379 Thank you very much. 1950 01:27:34,901 --> 01:27:37,513 [cheering and applause] 1951 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,432 First off, I really want to acknowledge my parents, 1952 01:27:43,606 --> 01:27:47,305 Jim and Dottie, who can only be with us in spirit, 1953 01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,654 which I know they are. 1954 01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:51,614 Hey, Mom and Dad, did you ever think 1955 01:27:51,788 --> 01:27:54,007 that Christmas guitar would lead to this? 1956 01:27:54,181 --> 01:27:55,835 [laughter] 1957 01:27:56,358 --> 01:27:57,968 I want to be a release. 1958 01:27:58,577 --> 01:28:01,450 I want to be a hard release, a good release, 1959 01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,582 a primal release. 1960 01:28:04,104 --> 01:28:06,716 You do a primal scream, but it's not at someone 1961 01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:10,372 or breaking something, it's, "Aah!" just into the air 1962 01:28:10,546 --> 01:28:12,983 about appreciation being alive, you know? 1963 01:28:13,418 --> 01:28:15,681 Kenny: This is a family that's been together 1964 01:28:16,465 --> 01:28:21,557 since 1979 and never wavered from each other. 1965 01:28:21,731 --> 01:28:23,254 Joan: It's all of us. 1966 01:28:23,776 --> 01:28:26,736 We all get support and love and strength from each other 1967 01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:30,522 and feel like we can go to each other when we need to. 1968 01:28:31,131 --> 01:28:32,959 And I think that's really important, 1969 01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:36,006 to be able to feel vulnerable to the people you work with 1970 01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:38,791 and be able to feel like they've got your back. 1971 01:28:39,401 --> 01:28:42,578 If you want to get really deep, there are no two things. 1972 01:28:42,752 --> 01:28:44,014 We're all one. 1973 01:28:44,493 --> 01:28:46,582 Woman: I want to tell you a story about Joan 1974 01:28:47,234 --> 01:28:48,410 being a wonderful woman. 1975 01:28:49,454 --> 01:28:52,109 I want to tell you a story about how people say 1976 01:28:52,283 --> 01:28:54,764 that she opened the door for women in rock. 1977 01:28:54,938 --> 01:28:56,983 And I don't think she opened the door. 1978 01:28:57,854 --> 01:28:59,334 I think she took out a sledgehammer, 1979 01:28:59,508 --> 01:29:01,597 and she knocked down the whole damn wall. 1980 01:29:02,032 --> 01:29:05,209 [crowd cheering] 1981 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,566 [a Capella] # I don't give A damn 'bout my reputation # 1982 01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:18,831 # You're living in the past It's a new generation # 1983 01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,879 # And a girl can do What she wants to do # 1984 01:29:23,053 --> 01:29:25,098 # And that's What I'm gonna do # 1985 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,275 # And I don't give a damn 'Bout my bad reputation # 1986 01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:31,540 # ["Fresh Start" by Joan Jett and the Blackhearts plays] # 1987 01:29:33,498 --> 01:29:34,978 Ow! 1988 01:29:37,415 --> 01:29:39,896 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah # 1989 01:29:42,855 --> 01:29:45,336 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah # 1990 01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:48,252 # Sometimes I feel like I've been here before # 1991 01:29:48,513 --> 01:29:51,081 # It's like the past knocking On my door # 1992 01:29:51,342 --> 01:29:53,692 # Sometimes I feel like I'm standing still # 1993 01:29:53,997 --> 01:29:56,913 # Or better yet I'm runnin' up a hill, hey # 1994 01:30:02,484 --> 01:30:05,051 # Sometimes I feel like I need a crutch # 1995 01:30:05,312 --> 01:30:08,185 # Sometimes I feel like It's all too much # 1996 01:30:08,446 --> 01:30:10,970 # Sometimes I wonder What are we in for # 1997 01:30:11,144 --> 01:30:13,495 # And if I wanna do it Anymore # 1998 01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:16,367 # I need a fresh start, Let's go back to the top # 1999 01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:19,283 # Rewind the tape And reset the clock # 2000 01:30:19,544 --> 01:30:23,505 # This time There's no turning back # 2001 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,290 # Hey! # 2002 01:30:28,684 --> 01:30:31,426 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah # 2003 01:30:34,472 --> 01:30:36,779 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah # 2004 01:30:37,083 --> 01:30:39,825 # So you say You're not satisfied # 2005 01:30:39,999 --> 01:30:42,567 # And you want A bigger piece of pie # 2006 01:30:42,741 --> 01:30:45,048 # Take my advice, Don't hesitate # 2007 01:30:45,527 --> 01:30:47,790 # Before you know it, It'll be too late # 2008 01:30:47,964 --> 01:30:51,010 # To make a fresh start And go back to the top # 2009 01:30:51,184 --> 01:30:53,578 # Rewind the tape And reset the clock # 2010 01:30:54,013 --> 01:30:58,017 # This time We're not gonna stop # 2011 01:30:59,149 --> 01:31:02,369 # That's right, a fresh start And go back to the top # 2012 01:31:02,631 --> 01:31:05,155 # Rewind the tape And reset the clock # 2013 01:31:05,416 --> 01:31:09,551 # And this time There's no turning back # 2014 01:31:10,508 --> 01:31:11,553 # All right # 2015 01:31:14,599 --> 01:31:17,297 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah # 2016 01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:22,781 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, ow # 2017 01:31:46,022 --> 01:31:48,807 # Sometimes I feel like I've been here before # 2018 01:31:48,981 --> 01:31:51,375 # Is that the past knocking On my door? # 2019 01:31:51,636 --> 01:31:54,378 # Sometimes I feel like I'm standing still # 2020 01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:57,207 # Or better yet, I'm running up a hill # 2021 01:31:57,642 --> 01:32:00,253 # Don't wanna hear That you're feeling old # 2022 01:32:00,427 --> 01:32:03,518 # Times are tough, You better search your soul # 2023 01:32:03,692 --> 01:32:05,998 # There's some time For one more dance # 2024 01:32:06,172 --> 01:32:08,305 # We may never Get another chance # 2025 01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,438 # To make a fresh start And go back to the top # 2026 01:32:11,613 --> 01:32:14,398 # Rewind the tape And reset the clock # 2027 01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:18,184 # This time We're not gonna stop # 2028 01:32:19,621 --> 01:32:22,493 # That's right, a fresh start, And go back to the top # 2029 01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:25,670 # Rewind the tape And reset the clock # 2030 01:32:25,844 --> 01:32:30,109 # This time We're not gonna stop # 2031 01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,767 # This time There's no turning back # 2032 01:32:37,421 --> 01:32:41,817 # This time We're not gonna stop # 2033 01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:47,387 # This time There's no turning back # 2034 01:32:48,693 --> 01:32:52,958 # This time We're not gonna stop # 2035 01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:58,834 # This time There's no turning back # 2036 01:33:00,139 --> 01:33:03,621 # This time We're not gonna stop # 162657

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