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[Adam] I was in graduate
school at Columbia.
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Kind of at the tail end
of a long relationship
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that wasn't quite working out.
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I was feeling no
subtleties to life at all.
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I was feeling defeated.
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If you're sitting
alone in a room
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and your girlfriend
has just walked out
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with somebody you knew.
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You kind of say, fuck this,
I'm too restless to sit here!
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If I leave here, and
I go somewhere, and
rip open my chest,
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and play, that's
where my release is.
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(harmonica music)
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If you are forced into a
different dimension of life
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in which a pain suddenly
hits you and it is soul deep,
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it's an experience of
being overtaken by emotion.
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So I think I was in a space
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to be able to really
appreciate blues
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and be struck by blues.
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So I was in Harlem, and
I passed the Apollo,
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and I was on the next block.
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And there was a guy
playing right in front
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of the phone company.
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(blues music)
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So I was a little anxious
being on the street in Harlem.
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But I fought my anxiety,
walked up to a guy
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who was watching, and
I said, who is that?
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He said, that's Satan.
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Everybody in Harlem knows Satan.
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And then I went
up to him, I said,
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I love your music.
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I shook his hand, and I said,
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I wonder if I could sit in
with you on a couple songs.
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I said I won't embarrass you.
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And he thought for a
minute and he said,
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come on up!
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Suddenly it was 30 people.
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Before I've played a note.
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You know, curiosity took.
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Satan's gonna play
with the white boy.
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You could hear kind of murmurs.
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And he started with that groove.
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(heavy blues music)
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* Well I want it *
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* I want you! *
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* I wanna make you my woman! *
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* There's nothing you can do *
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* Not a thing you can do *
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* I get everything I want *
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* Guess what, haha *
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* I want you *
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He just kind of threw
me all over the place.
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I mean his groove was incredibly
strong, I just held on.
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I held on for dear life.
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(harmonica solo)
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(cheers, applause)
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The place exploded.
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I mean it was an
amazing feeling.
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He just turned, he said, how
about a hand for the young man,
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and he didn't know my name.
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And I said, Adam.
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He goes, I am Satan.
You know?
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We played a few more
and then it was like,
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can I come back tomorrow?
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And he said sure,
yeah, come back.
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Suddenly there was this place
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that opened up in
my imagination.
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I mean I lived on
the Upper West Side,
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I had a relationship
that went down in flames,
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and without really being clear
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what I was gonna
do with my life.
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I mean Harlem suddenly
was possibility.
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And it was an embrace, rather
than a, white boy go home.
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It's like a connection.
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You don't know what's
going to happen.
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At the moment, New York City
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has more racial tensions
than any other American city.
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New York is a racially
segregated city,
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in desperate trouble.
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It is a city where
you can be killed
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for taking a wrong turn
because of racial violence.
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What are they doing
here at 10:00 at night?
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We're going to end up
reaping the whirlwind
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of the widening gap
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between the haves
and the have nots.
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Personally I feel like...
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A white guy in Harlem.
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Harlem in the '80s was
depressed economically,
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but collective culturally.
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This was before gentrification.
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Gentrification was
like this theme.
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White people are coming
to take over our space.
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They are pushing us out.
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We have a flammable atmosphere.
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It's like gas in the kitchen.
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All you gotta do
is strike a match.
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Many in this city
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say the perception of
racial crime has increased,
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and so have tensions.
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Mister Satan was trying
to establish a foothold
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in Harlem on 125th
Street saying,
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when I play here, it's
a way of, it's a solace.
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But one day, I actually
saw a white guy.
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(funky blues music)
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This person was the
only white person there.
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(funky blues music)
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This white man,
what is he doing?
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Is he helping him or is
he stealing the music?
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This is the type of
talk that we heard.
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To see two people that came from
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two diametrically
opposite existences
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in the streets of Harlem,
even if it violates
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tribal code and takes a
lot of self confidence,
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a lot of courage.
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Or a lot of ignorance to
the environment you're in.
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(funky blues music)
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(applause)
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Thank you sir, thank y'all!
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(driving blues music)
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[News Anchor] Finally tonight,
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a walk on the
sidewalks of New York.
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Remy Blumenfeld discovered
some real stars of the street.
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Each street musician
has his turf
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And in Harlem, the
streets belong to Satan.
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[News Anchor] And this is Satan.
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We both found it
intensely exciting
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to be making music
on the street.
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He had that before I came.
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That was his space.
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But the two of us together
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got more people than
he had by himself.
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He recognized that.
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That was huge.
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So, to have a job
as I did as a tutor,
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and to realize that the money
that I could actually make
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with this new guitar man that
I was starting to play with,
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was more than that.
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It was a very strange
thing to quit the job,
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and I was still at that point
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trying to figure out
who this guy was.
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Till somebody took
me aside, and said,
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you know who you're
playing with?
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You're playing with
Sterling Magee.
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And said, you know, he was on
Ray Charles's Tangerine label.
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You know he played with
Etta James, Marvin Gaye,
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Little Anthony
and the Imperials.
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He backed up James
Brown at the Apollo,
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and they would point down the
block at the Apollo Theater.
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I remember one young guy
coming up and saying,
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you know he was in the
studio with George Benson.
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And he blew George Benson away.
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So I was trying to
figure out who he was,
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and I'm getting these stories.
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And the only thing I
know for sure is that
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nobody ever, to his face,
called him Sterling.
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I didn't know why.
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This is the blues.
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Ain't nothin' bout,
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Hey, baby, why don't
you treat me right?
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If you act right, she would!
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This is the blues.
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(slow blues)
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I met Sterling Magee in 1967.
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I was hired by King
Curtis as the bass player.
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Sterling was a hell
of a guitar player.
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His rhythm was
just off the hook.
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[Sterling] Or if you
wanna do it another way.
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(driving blues)
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When I met him, again, in
Harlem, on the street...
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Is this Sterling?
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And I recognized his
playing right away.
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(driving blues)
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The sense was he was
ahead of his time.
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The clubs were closing down.
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There was no recording
activity going on.
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This is the late '80s.
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And it was hard getting work.
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He just took it to the street.
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Where he can get paid
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and make a living.
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Blue is one of the most
beautiful colors in the world.
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The sky is blue,
you got a clear day,
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people go out to the
beach, the water's blue,
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it's clear without pollution.
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And everybody's having fun.
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How do you associate
blue with such a sad
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slumped down-anistic state of...
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Unhappiness?
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That's not the blues.
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Those are the clouds.
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I remember him
saying he was Satan.
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Which was like, whoa.
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[News Anchor] You'll
find him most days
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on 7th Avenue in Harlem.
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He calls himself Mister Satan.
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What makes me the
prince of darkness
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is I can go into the
darkness of my mind
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and come out with
beautiful things.
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Hey, little mister.
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Alright, hello, sir.
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I'm Mister Satan, hello
everybody viewing.
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And this is my
creation called Wisdom.
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[Adam] Most people who hear
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about a guy named Mister Satan,
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first thing is, what does he do,
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torture puppies, or something?
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No.
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It's more connected
to anger at religion.
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At organized religion
and at ministers.
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He knew the Bible inside out.
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But he still...
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He still like, he
almost challenged God.
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He said he couldn't die.
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He said...
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He couldn't get hurt.
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And to tell you the
honest to goodness,
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I never seen him sick.
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I feel that he is
from the same planet
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as Sun Ra, George
Clinton, Cecil Taylor.
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These people are coming
from a very different place.
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And I feel that's his tribe.
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(relaxing music)
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The reason why he changed
his name to Mister Satan,
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because he had a
young lady, okay?
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He loved the woman.
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[Adam] We had a fight early on
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that had to do with the money.
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It was because as
a street musician,
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you're each gonna split the
money that comes in 50/50.
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We split the bills, but
there's all this change,
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and I sort of thought some
of that should be mine
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and at one point he
basically got angry.
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Because what I
didn't realize was,
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just how important it was
to him, to have that money
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to give to what he
called the street people.
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The people who ain't
got nobody else.
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And they loved him.
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We got a group of fools leading
this country, in Congress.
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And anytime they talk
about a damn budget
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and contribute to
upholding your life,
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money ain't nothing
without people to spend it.
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If you step outside
of your home any day,
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you don't see people.
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You don't go looking for no
money, and go looting no place,
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the first thing you're gonna
find is somebody to talk to.
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He would always say
it wasn't just him.
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It's what we're doing.
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And I thought, wow,
that's kind of great.
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I mean if our music can pay
him, pay me, and help them,
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what's not to like?
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I realized very early,
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this is the best gig
I'm ever gonna have.
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I was his boy, in a sense.
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I was the guy who
was not his equal.
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I was his apprentice.
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So, I wanted to write something
about what we were doing.
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And got Harper's to
assign me an article.
257
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And I had this incredible guilt
about having been paid money
258
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to tell our story.
259
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And I called him up.
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He said, how much they pay you?
261
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And I said, $3,000.
262
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He goes, gimme half.
263
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And I split it with him.
264
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I gave him half the money.
265
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My girlfriend at the
time was like, you did?
266
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But that's all I needed to do.
267
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It was about us.
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I'd done the writing.
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We'd done the living.
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When I think about
Mister Satan's energy,
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the analogy that comes to mind
272
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is a story that my
mother used to tell
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when we would go
on summer vacation.
274
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She says, it was amazing
to watch you go out there
275
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and stand in front of the ocean.
276
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It was like the first time
you ever met something
277
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that was more powerful
than you thought you were.
278
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I was the kid who thought I
could sort of master the ocean.
279
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And so to play with him,
was to be swamped, you know?
280
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I grew up in a small
working class town
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about 20 miles
north of New York.
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That's my mom in the
'50s when she was working
283
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as a researcher
for Time magazine.
284
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Probably around the
time my father met her.
285
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My father was an artist,
and an environmentalist.
286
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He was Jewish.
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My mother was Dutch reformed.
288
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Adam did not like to do
anything badly, ever.
289
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He was very smart.
290
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I'm sure it drove people crazy.
291
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He was certainly not one
of those popular kids.
292
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I skipped a grade, and I was
smaller than everybody else.
293
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And there were bigger
kids picking on me.
294
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I had my Prince Valiant haircut.
295
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Maybe I didn't have a date
because I looked like a dork.
296
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You know, I don't know.
297
00:18:28,692 --> 00:18:31,528
But when the music came along,
and I learned how to play,
298
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by God, within a month and a
half I had my first girlfriend.
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[Joan] I don't think
that Adam's had
300
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a really close relationship
with his father.
301
00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:45,625
I think that what
he had with Sterling
302
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was a kind of bonding experience
303
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that he had a hard time
having with his father.
304
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There's a deep connection there.
305
00:18:53,675 --> 00:18:57,554
His understandings about blues
life helped shape my own
306
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and maybe got me a
little bit out of the
307
00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:04,227
self indulgent narcissist
rock dude white boy thing,
308
00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:07,397
which is just, there
are hardships, and
there are hardships.
309
00:19:07,439 --> 00:19:09,649
You know, nobody's
shooting us stone dead.
310
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The summer of 1989.
311
00:19:15,989 --> 00:19:17,907
That was the summer
of Do The Right Thing.
312
00:19:22,454 --> 00:19:25,665
When the movie came out, it
just crystallized everything.
313
00:19:25,707 --> 00:19:27,334
And a lot of people said, yeah!
314
00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:28,752
This is what's really
happening to us.
315
00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:33,631
It became where you
could no longer avoid it.
316
00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:36,676
It was in your face
and all these emotions
317
00:19:36,718 --> 00:19:38,386
came to the surface.
318
00:19:38,428 --> 00:19:41,514
And people didn't
want to feel like
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00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:42,974
you gonna put this
back in the box.
320
00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:44,684
No, you gonna deal with this.
321
00:19:44,726 --> 00:19:46,644
You're not gonna pretend
this is not happening.
322
00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:49,606
[Adam] With Do The
Right Thing in the air,
323
00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:53,276
suddenly I was the
problem for some people.
324
00:19:53,318 --> 00:19:55,403
And I was in Harlem, and one
day, a couple of guys came up
325
00:19:55,445 --> 00:19:57,030
as I was just about to
set up with Mister Satan,
326
00:19:57,072 --> 00:19:58,573
and went to him and said,
327
00:19:58,615 --> 00:19:59,949
why is this white
boy playing with you?
328
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:02,327
And it got very pointed
and very racial.
329
00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:03,745
And he said, why are you here?
330
00:20:03,787 --> 00:20:05,705
What do you love black people?
331
00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:07,707
He said, you're not
a harmonica player.
332
00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:09,042
He said you're just
one more white man
333
00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,711
coming to rip off the
black man's music.
334
00:20:11,753 --> 00:20:14,964
And he said, can't nobody say,
335
00:20:15,006 --> 00:20:18,301
whether there might be
some hot tempered young guy
336
00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:19,636
who doesn't want to see you.
337
00:20:21,096 --> 00:20:23,765
What he was saying was,
why can a white guy
338
00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:27,977
just come into a
black neighborhood
and not risk anything?
339
00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:29,688
It was a threat.
340
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:31,648
Who was to say one of
those guys might not just
341
00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:33,692
roll down a window,
pow pow pow, gone!
342
00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:37,445
So I had to go home.
343
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:38,613
And I stayed away.
344
00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:40,323
And I had to decide.
345
00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:41,741
So are you gonna play the
blues for real or not?
346
00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:43,576
So what does it
mean to be for real?
347
00:20:43,618 --> 00:20:45,328
Well one thing it
means is that you play
348
00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:47,914
with full attention
to the complexity
349
00:20:47,956 --> 00:20:50,542
of the social situation
that you're actually in.
350
00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,753
So I owe them some
thanks for helping,
351
00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:55,714
as Sterling would say,
bless me with revelation.
352
00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:00,427
Which is, you wanna
play the music.
353
00:21:00,468 --> 00:21:01,886
Welcome to my world.
354
00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:04,597
It would have been easy
355
00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:06,391
to kind of let myself
be chased away.
356
00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:07,851
Then I thought,
357
00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:10,353
nobody's going to stop
me from playing with him.
358
00:21:10,395 --> 00:21:12,564
We played, people
were happy to see me.
359
00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:15,650
But it took me a long
time to get over that.
360
00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:20,572
(train running)
361
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:28,705
We were just playing one day,
you know, in our everyday spot
362
00:21:28,747 --> 00:21:30,040
doing our same old songs.
363
00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:32,042
And suddenly there
was some commotion
364
00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:35,128
and I saw a couple of
cameras pointed at us.
365
00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,757
I was the director on the
U2 film, Rattle and Hum,
366
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,842
the concert documentary film.
367
00:21:40,884 --> 00:21:45,472
And one day we ended up on
125th Street, in Harlem.
368
00:21:45,513 --> 00:21:47,349
* I want some freedom *
369
00:21:49,017 --> 00:21:50,727
* For my people *
370
00:21:50,769 --> 00:21:51,978
To Bono and myself.
371
00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:53,938
Hearing this, freedom
for my people,
372
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:57,484
coming, you know,
wafting down the street.
373
00:21:57,525 --> 00:21:58,651
It drew us.
374
00:21:58,693 --> 00:21:59,652
It was like a magnet.
375
00:21:59,694 --> 00:22:00,820
It was totally unplanned.
376
00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:02,655
They said hey, let's just go out
377
00:22:02,697 --> 00:22:04,991
and check out what's
going on in Harlem today.
378
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,869
Going up to Harlem at
that time was a thing.
379
00:22:07,911 --> 00:22:09,579
Some of the people
working on the film
380
00:22:09,621 --> 00:22:11,998
were quite anxious
and nervous about it.
381
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,751
It wasn't just some guy kinda,
382
00:22:14,793 --> 00:22:16,169
give me a buck, come
on, I'm on the corner,
383
00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:18,755
I'm just, you know,
riffing some cover tune.
384
00:22:18,797 --> 00:22:21,591
This was something interesting.
385
00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,052
I was just really struck
by the guitar player.
386
00:22:24,094 --> 00:22:26,721
There was a kind of
freedom to the playing.
387
00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:28,640
He was jumping all
over the fretboard,
388
00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:30,809
and simultaneously singing,
389
00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:33,561
and working this hi hat
that's playing the backbeats.
390
00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,481
So I'm really rooted
to the ground,
391
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:39,651
just blown away by what
I'm hearing and seeing.
392
00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:41,945
They're sort of looking at
us like, we're the real.
393
00:22:41,986 --> 00:22:44,447
Like, this is part of
why they came to America
394
00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:46,157
is to see shit like this.
395
00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:47,575
Right?
396
00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:48,993
In that little
moment, the theme,
397
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:52,163
freedom for my people,
just seemed prescient.
398
00:22:52,205 --> 00:22:54,457
It just captured so
much of our intention,
399
00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:56,126
as a band trying
to explore America.
400
00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:59,796
Trying to delve more deeply
into the music culture.
401
00:22:59,838 --> 00:23:01,548
And it was clear from early on
402
00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:03,717
that that had to be in the film.
403
00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:05,885
What was then kind of
interesting is that
404
00:23:05,927 --> 00:23:08,054
as they were doing the album,
405
00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:10,056
they felt like
they went together.
406
00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:11,850
("Freedom for my People"
by Sterling Magee)
407
00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:18,064
When it finally came
out, it was a big deal.
408
00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:21,568
Because our lives
intersected their thing.
409
00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:23,194
They sampled us
into their thing.
410
00:23:24,863 --> 00:23:26,823
Actually there's never
been another artist
411
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:28,825
singing one of their
songs on a U2 album.
412
00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:30,869
This is the one and only
time that that's happened.
413
00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,247
* Freedom from confusion *
414
00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:37,083
It was a very powerful
little moment in the film,
415
00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:39,210
and it belonged on the
record for that reason.
416
00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:43,214
We suddenly were recognized.
417
00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,133
And the crowds were
clearly bigger for us,
418
00:23:45,175 --> 00:23:46,593
partly as a result of that.
419
00:23:47,802 --> 00:23:50,138
* Oh, for my people *
420
00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:53,933
Well people used to ask me,
421
00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:55,268
friends of the
family would ask me
422
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:57,062
what Adam was doing
now that he graduated,
423
00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,732
and I said, well he was
actually playing harmonica
424
00:24:00,774 --> 00:24:01,858
on the streets of Harlem.
425
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,902
And they'd say, really?
426
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,528
How do you feel about that?
427
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:06,529
He went to Princeton, didn't he?
428
00:24:07,906 --> 00:24:09,783
I was a Princeton grad, 1979.
429
00:24:09,824 --> 00:24:11,534
So my 10th reunion came up.
430
00:24:11,576 --> 00:24:13,745
And everybody goes back,
and they're in banking,
431
00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:15,205
and they're the vice president,
432
00:24:15,246 --> 00:24:16,956
or they were in graduate
school, they've got their PhD,
433
00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:18,875
they're getting their
first teaching job.
434
00:24:18,917 --> 00:24:21,586
And at that point I
was a street musician.
435
00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:23,588
It's really hard to go
back to a college reunion,
436
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:24,881
at a place like that,
and everybody says,
437
00:24:24,923 --> 00:24:26,091
so what you doing?
438
00:24:27,717 --> 00:24:28,802
Oh, okay.
439
00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:30,845
Mister Satan, really?
440
00:24:30,887 --> 00:24:32,847
You know, like, there's
one in every class.
441
00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:35,975
A combination of
all these things
442
00:24:36,017 --> 00:24:38,186
began to really eat away at me.
443
00:24:38,228 --> 00:24:40,814
And I wanted some kind
of objective measure.
444
00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:42,982
I was feeling the
fragility of everything.
445
00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:44,984
And so I wanted to
make a recording.
446
00:24:45,026 --> 00:24:46,736
That if we were killed,
both of us the next day,
447
00:24:46,778 --> 00:24:48,113
people would at least know, wow,
448
00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:50,240
these guys were here and
that's what they did.
449
00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:51,783
And I actually went to Sterling.
450
00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:55,036
If I paid, would you go
into the studio with me?
451
00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:56,871
And he said, yeah, I'll do it.
452
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,962
I think I'll take my gloves out,
453
00:25:04,004 --> 00:25:06,589
it's a little chilly
out here, Mr. Gussow.
454
00:25:06,631 --> 00:25:08,133
[Adam] And so I
found Rachel Faro.
455
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,010
Who we'd run across
on the streets.
456
00:25:10,051 --> 00:25:11,678
Basically she was
somebody who said,
457
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,804
if you ever want to
record, here's my card.
458
00:25:12,846 --> 00:25:13,888
So I called her.
459
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:15,682
This makes it so much easier
460
00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:18,768
when the speakers are
already at the studio.
461
00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:21,855
Nothing to carry but a guitar.
462
00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:24,065
That's right.
463
00:25:24,107 --> 00:25:25,859
This record particularly,
464
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,861
just had to set 'em
up and let 'em go,
465
00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:29,654
and see where it went.
466
00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:31,031
Because there was no
way to really predict
467
00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:33,074
what they were gonna do at all,
468
00:25:33,116 --> 00:25:34,868
especially what
Sterling was gonna do.
469
00:25:37,912 --> 00:25:39,205
[Sterling] Roll it all!
470
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:45,587
("Ride the Wind"
by Satan and Adam)
471
00:26:07,442 --> 00:26:10,111
[Adam] I just remember
the feeling of power,
472
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,696
that we both had.
473
00:26:11,738 --> 00:26:13,740
I mean we were so adrenalized.
474
00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:16,368
And we drank so much
vodka, I'll be honest.
475
00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:17,952
We let the bats
out of the belfry.
476
00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:24,209
("Ride the Wind"
by Satan and Adam)
477
00:26:28,046 --> 00:26:30,423
It really was gratifying
478
00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,093
to hear how good it all sounded.
479
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:36,346
And certainly Adam was
very excited because
480
00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:39,974
he got to hear everything he'd
been playing all this time,
481
00:26:40,016 --> 00:26:42,686
in another way, like for real.
482
00:26:42,727 --> 00:26:46,898
("Ride the Wind"
by Satan and Adam)
483
00:26:49,818 --> 00:26:51,403
We sounded huge, two guys.
484
00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:55,115
And I just remember thinking,
wow, we are doing it.
485
00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:58,326
("Ride the Wind"
by Satan and Adam)
486
00:26:58,368 --> 00:27:00,036
At the end of it I felt like
487
00:27:00,078 --> 00:27:01,871
that is just the greatest
day of your life.
488
00:27:01,913 --> 00:27:04,833
You know we had
our first cassette.
489
00:27:04,874 --> 00:27:06,126
Called it Satan and Adam.
490
00:27:06,167 --> 00:27:10,964
("Ride the Wind"
by Satan and Adam)
491
00:27:11,006 --> 00:27:12,465
The first day we actually
had these things for sale
492
00:27:12,507 --> 00:27:14,300
we were playing a street fair,
493
00:27:14,342 --> 00:27:18,013
selling something like 60
cassettes during the set.
494
00:27:19,973 --> 00:27:22,142
So you go from
completely uncommodified,
495
00:27:22,183 --> 00:27:24,102
to, we've got our first
commodified version
496
00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:26,271
of Satan and Adam, and
everybody can't get enough.
497
00:27:29,232 --> 00:27:30,817
Once we had the recording,
498
00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:32,444
I was able to give
it to somebody
499
00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:34,154
who was programming
Summer Stage,
500
00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:36,031
and then we got the chance
to open for Buddy Guy.
501
00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:40,076
("I Want You" by Satan and Adam)
502
00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:43,329
3,000 people in Central Park,
and it's like, Satan and Adam!
503
00:27:43,371 --> 00:27:45,790
And I'm thinking, fuck,
we're really making it.
504
00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:50,211
("I Want You" by Satan and Adam)
505
00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:54,132
Suddenly, we were
a New York act.
506
00:27:54,174 --> 00:27:55,383
Not just a Harlem act.
507
00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:03,183
From the street, to the studio,
508
00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,810
to gigs with Buddy Guy, sure.
509
00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:07,937
But at the same time,
for me it seemed natural,
510
00:28:07,979 --> 00:28:09,939
it seemed right.
511
00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:13,777
That fall, we got a gig
from a woman who saw us.
512
00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:16,196
And she had a bar called
Kelly's in the Village.
513
00:28:16,237 --> 00:28:18,531
And that was our steady gig.
514
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,076
I was a single guy,
and I'm playing
515
00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:22,452
in a lesbian bar in the Village.
516
00:28:22,494 --> 00:28:24,204
And I'm sitting, going,
517
00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:26,039
I'm surrounded by women, and
I'm not gonna get a date.
518
00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:27,916
(laughs)
519
00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:31,127
And you know, and that's when
Margo Lewis walks in, one day,
520
00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:33,505
and says, hey, I love
what you guys do!
521
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,215
Come down and see me sometime.
522
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:36,966
And it turns out she represents
523
00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:39,427
Bo Diddley, Wilson Pickett,
and the Village People.
524
00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:44,891
Musically, visually,
in every way,
525
00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:48,978
it was just two different
ends of the world.
526
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:52,941
That they could come together
as they did, through music,
527
00:28:52,982 --> 00:28:54,567
was a beautiful thing.
528
00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:57,404
It was beautiful, you know.
529
00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:02,992
Sterling was raw talent
that deserved to be seen.
530
00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:05,286
I wanted to find the
platform for that, for him,
531
00:29:05,328 --> 00:29:06,830
and put him on that platform.
532
00:29:09,082 --> 00:29:11,042
As Margo began to do her thing,
533
00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:13,211
Rachel went and had
her conversations
534
00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:15,296
with Bruce Kaplan
at Flying Fish.
535
00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:18,216
Flying Fish was a real
label, with a real vision,
536
00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:21,261
and a real owner who cared
about the records on his label.
537
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:23,388
So, we got the record deal.
538
00:29:24,597 --> 00:29:27,892
It was so much what I wanted.
539
00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:29,269
It was a little scary for me.
540
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,938
I think it was very
scary for Sterling.
541
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,273
Sterling had a lot of mistrust
542
00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:35,942
about the music
industry in general.
543
00:29:35,984 --> 00:29:37,318
Which is not
surprising for somebody
544
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,070
who has had that whole
career and ends up
545
00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:40,280
choosing to play on the street.
546
00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:53,460
* You got a crazy, funny
way of teasing me *
547
00:29:53,501 --> 00:29:56,880
* I can't complain because
it's really pleasing me *
548
00:29:56,921 --> 00:30:00,133
* No matter how you're
getting me near insanity *
549
00:30:00,175 --> 00:30:01,634
* You'll keep on *
550
00:30:01,676 --> 00:30:03,470
He talked a lot, for
example, about how
551
00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:06,139
he'd had a hit on Ray
Charles' Tangerine label.
552
00:30:06,181 --> 00:30:08,350
With Oh She Was Pretty,
and man, he stifled that.
553
00:30:08,391 --> 00:30:11,978
He wasn't gonna let one of
his label mates supersede him.
554
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:14,314
Remember Ike and Tina Turner?
555
00:30:14,356 --> 00:30:15,648
They didn't do any good
556
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,650
until they got out
from under Ray Charles.
557
00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:21,154
Ain't nobody in Ray Charles's
company gonna make anything.
558
00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:23,156
He prevents, I don't,
you know, so...
559
00:30:25,617 --> 00:30:29,120
Just like so many black
artists from that era,
560
00:30:29,162 --> 00:30:32,665
he saw his fair share of
people not getting paid,
561
00:30:32,707 --> 00:30:34,459
not getting their due.
562
00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:36,378
So, you know, I
sensed that he had
563
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:38,546
the same disillusionment
with the music business
564
00:30:38,588 --> 00:30:40,465
that I think a lot of
black artists have.
565
00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:43,426
The typical story,
566
00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:45,220
white promoter manages,
567
00:30:45,261 --> 00:30:49,349
and agencies screwed
the black artists,
568
00:30:49,391 --> 00:30:51,017
by instead of
giving them a check,
569
00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:53,436
giving them a car,
or a diamond ring,
570
00:30:53,478 --> 00:30:55,021
or a bottle of booze.
571
00:30:56,731 --> 00:31:02,112
[Al] How artists was treated
was only a reflection
572
00:31:02,153 --> 00:31:04,155
of how blacks were
treated in society.
573
00:31:04,197 --> 00:31:05,323
The fact that you were talented.
574
00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:07,075
You could entertain us.
575
00:31:07,117 --> 00:31:08,952
But you can't be one of us.
576
00:31:10,412 --> 00:31:13,039
The very first time we
played Chelsea Commons,
577
00:31:13,081 --> 00:31:15,041
and we counted out the
dollars on top of the piano,
578
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,377
I think I counted them,
and started to pay him,
579
00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:19,170
and he was like, no no no!
580
00:31:19,212 --> 00:31:20,380
He got ragingly angry.
581
00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:22,257
I pay you, you don't pay me!
582
00:31:24,426 --> 00:31:27,554
He had gone to Adam and said,
583
00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,389
I don't want to do
this any longer.
584
00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:31,391
I don't want to get involved
in this business thing.
585
00:31:31,433 --> 00:31:34,477
A record deal will be the
worst thing in the world.
586
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,064
He was afraid to leave the
security of the street.
587
00:31:38,106 --> 00:31:41,526
To leave the security of
Bobby Robinson, his mentor,
588
00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:44,738
and then come with
these white people.
589
00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:47,073
But one of the people
that I approached,
590
00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:50,577
once we had a record,
was Quint Davis.
591
00:31:50,618 --> 00:31:53,705
Who runs the New
Orleans Jazz Festival.
592
00:31:53,747 --> 00:31:55,498
And I get a call back
from Quint and he goes,
593
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:57,208
I don't know where
you got these guys,
594
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:58,543
I'm gonna give you a date,
595
00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:00,253
but not only am I
gonna give you a date,
596
00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,339
I'm gonna make these guys stars.
597
00:32:03,757 --> 00:32:05,759
I think he went along with this
598
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,636
because Satan saw
that we delivered.
599
00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:13,016
It was a real generous thing
of him to do for my sake too.
600
00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:16,186
I'm not saying he
did unselfishly.
601
00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:18,355
But he could see that
I really wanted it.
602
00:32:18,396 --> 00:32:21,066
So, I provided the jet fuel.
603
00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:22,233
The jet was up.
604
00:32:22,275 --> 00:32:23,443
They had taken off.
605
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,403
And they were happening.
606
00:32:25,445 --> 00:32:28,156
(harmonica music)
607
00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:34,788
[Announcer] Ladies
and gentlemen,
608
00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:37,791
please welcome Satan and Adam!
609
00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:42,170
("Seventh Avenue"
by Satan and Adam)
610
00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:52,764
To play a featured
role on this festival,
611
00:32:52,806 --> 00:32:55,558
there has to be a
level of musicianship.
612
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,437
It can't just be cool,
but not very good.
613
00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:05,151
("Seventh Avenue"
by Satan and Adam)
614
00:33:09,614 --> 00:33:11,658
When I saw the name Satan and
Adam, my first thought was,
615
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:13,493
somebody's been too clever here.
616
00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:17,414
If a casting director had
been hired to create a sitcom
617
00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:21,376
about two opposites
together in a blues band,
618
00:33:21,418 --> 00:33:23,837
this'd be what
they'd come up with.
619
00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:25,422
* So then she kissed me *
620
00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,840
* I'm here to tell you *
621
00:33:26,881 --> 00:33:29,175
* She hit me right *
622
00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:30,510
Satan himself, is you know,
623
00:33:30,552 --> 00:33:32,846
like a UFO landing
at your festival.
624
00:33:32,887 --> 00:33:36,349
You know, he's like lightning
getting out of the bottle.
625
00:33:36,391 --> 00:33:38,351
And with Adam on top,
626
00:33:38,393 --> 00:33:40,729
they filled the sonic
space perfectly.
627
00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,148
You know the beauty of Satan.
628
00:33:43,189 --> 00:33:46,860
He got more out of
the performance than
the audience did.
629
00:33:46,901 --> 00:33:50,196
And a true consummate
artist does.
630
00:33:50,238 --> 00:33:53,491
* Ah ah ah ah, she got away *
631
00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,124
It was like being present
632
00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:02,334
at the discovery of
something really special.
633
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:06,504
Yeah!
634
00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:08,381
Yeah!
635
00:34:08,423 --> 00:34:09,883
Thank you!
636
00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:11,718
When you kill at this festival,
637
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,844
word goes out.
638
00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:14,554
I mean, word goes out.
639
00:34:19,726 --> 00:34:22,312
July of '91, our album
had just come out.
640
00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:25,774
So Margo, she's putting
the press thing out there.
641
00:34:25,815 --> 00:34:28,360
[Margo] I had no problem
getting the bookings.
642
00:34:29,611 --> 00:34:31,654
Everybody got turned on by it.
643
00:34:31,696 --> 00:34:34,366
They saw what I saw.
644
00:34:34,407 --> 00:34:37,452
It's just from one end of
the world to the other.
645
00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:41,206
Just coming together
through music, you know?
646
00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:42,707
It was a great thing.
647
00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:44,584
It's called co-acceleration.
648
00:34:44,626 --> 00:34:45,919
You know that's when
the music swings.
649
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,338
Great big old word,
that ain't worth a damn.
650
00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:50,298
[Margo] I told him I wanted
to put him on a Bo Diddley tour,
651
00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,300
and bring him to Europe,
and have him open.
652
00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:55,762
[Adam] You can imagine, like,
653
00:34:55,804 --> 00:34:57,347
one day you're on the streets,
654
00:34:57,389 --> 00:34:58,932
the next day, you're
in the bus with Bo.
655
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:00,934
[Margo] Bo started
on the street too.
656
00:35:00,975 --> 00:35:03,937
So he could relate greatly
to what Satan was about.
657
00:35:03,978 --> 00:35:07,774
[Adam] So we began to have
an international public.
658
00:35:07,816 --> 00:35:09,609
Well we flew everywhere.
659
00:35:09,651 --> 00:35:13,863
England, Scotland, Switzerland,
Italy, Finland twice.
660
00:35:15,657 --> 00:35:19,327
But now, finally, he felt
it was Satan and Adam.
661
00:35:19,369 --> 00:35:22,288
And he's not lost inside
the King Curtis band.
662
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:23,748
Or Etta James, or Marvin Gaye,
663
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:24,916
or Little Anthony
and the Imperials.
664
00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:26,626
He's not just the guitar man.
665
00:35:26,668 --> 00:35:28,545
He's the act whose
name is on the marquee.
666
00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,214
So he really felt like,
you're getting what's due you,
667
00:35:31,256 --> 00:35:33,216
and I'm getting
what's overdue me.
668
00:35:33,258 --> 00:35:34,718
And by the way, the one
time we showed up at a gig
669
00:35:34,759 --> 00:35:36,469
on the marquee, it
said Adam and Satan.
670
00:35:36,511 --> 00:35:37,846
He got pissed off.
671
00:35:37,887 --> 00:35:39,431
(laughs)
672
00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,975
He did not have an ego, but,
that's wrong!
673
00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:44,686
And he was really upset, I go,
somebody just messed up, ugh!
674
00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:46,938
Time to check in with Kimberly.
Kim's got the blues tonight.
675
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,815
Satan and Adam.
676
00:35:48,857 --> 00:35:50,567
You are gonna be at the
Classic Blues Festival
677
00:35:50,608 --> 00:35:53,486
this weekend, and joined by
a lot of great musicians.
678
00:35:53,528 --> 00:35:55,655
Just as sure as
you are beautiful.
679
00:35:55,697 --> 00:35:57,449
God, you can stay here forever.
680
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:58,658
(laughs)
681
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,993
It's a classic bromance.
682
00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:01,995
It's two guys, just
having a great time.
683
00:36:02,037 --> 00:36:03,705
We're an odd-looking
couple, so what?
684
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:07,542
Now, we have a name,
we have a manager,
685
00:36:07,584 --> 00:36:09,419
we have official gigs.
686
00:36:09,461 --> 00:36:11,880
And then your record
starts to chart.
687
00:36:13,256 --> 00:36:14,758
There's no experience like this.
688
00:36:14,799 --> 00:36:16,343
As you're sitting
listening to the radio,
689
00:36:16,384 --> 00:36:18,928
and suddenly, your music
comes on the radio.
690
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:20,889
The feeling is indescribable.
691
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:21,848
It's like...
692
00:36:23,892 --> 00:36:26,019
[Noah] Out on the
streets of New York City,
693
00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:27,896
and now on CD and tape,
694
00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:30,899
the music of Satan and Adam.
695
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,859
How serious are you about
the name, Mister Satan?
696
00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:35,278
And I've read that you
have the number 666,
697
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,571
[Satan] I do.
698
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:37,697
[Noah] From the
book of revelations.
699
00:36:37,739 --> 00:36:38,990
[Satan] I am very serious.
700
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:40,742
[Noah] Around your
instruments there.
701
00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:42,494
[Satan] I also have it around
my neck and everything,
702
00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:44,496
but it's not in the numbers
that you would read it.
703
00:36:44,537 --> 00:36:47,874
It's in a beautiful piece
I made called asoxyses.
704
00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:52,295
It's a square of circled
squared, and square circles.
705
00:36:52,337 --> 00:36:54,714
So it's nothing
projecting something.
706
00:36:54,756 --> 00:36:56,383
[Adam] Sterling's amazing
707
00:36:56,424 --> 00:36:57,967
with being able to do
this numerological stuff.
708
00:36:58,009 --> 00:36:59,969
It's quite remarkable.
I never really understood it.
709
00:37:00,011 --> 00:37:01,721
But he's very convincing.
710
00:37:01,763 --> 00:37:03,890
[Noah] I'm trying to figure out
how you feel about the devil.
711
00:37:03,932 --> 00:37:05,433
-Taking that name.
-[Sterling] I didn't say
712
00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:06,476
anything about no devil.
713
00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:07,644
I am Mister Satan.
714
00:37:07,686 --> 00:37:08,895
S-A-T-A-N.
715
00:37:08,937 --> 00:37:12,065
I felt, here is
a imbalanced man.
716
00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:13,817
Extremely talented.
717
00:37:13,858 --> 00:37:15,819
And how the hell
did this white kid
718
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:17,862
get him up on that stage?
719
00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:33,086
Correct?
720
00:37:33,128 --> 00:37:35,630
The only constant thing
was his performance.
721
00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:39,676
He was not constant in thought.
722
00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:43,638
If his mind was wandering
into another place,
723
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640
and he woke up one morning,
724
00:37:45,682 --> 00:37:47,934
and he looked out
the window and said,
725
00:37:47,976 --> 00:37:50,603
the world was gonna end,
the world was gonna end.
726
00:37:50,645 --> 00:37:54,357
Jazz and opera and all
this can't ignore blues.
727
00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:56,067
It covers the entirety.
728
00:37:59,487 --> 00:38:01,406
Creation digs the blues.
729
00:38:02,991 --> 00:38:06,077
It was difficult for Adam
to keep a continuity.
730
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,704
And although Adam could,
731
00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:09,998
because he was like
a split personality.
732
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,625
He was an intellect,
he was a student.
733
00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,836
And then he was a musician.
734
00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:16,755
He wanted this to come off.
735
00:38:16,796 --> 00:38:18,882
Jazz says hey,
736
00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:20,383
It's a sunny day,
and you can go out
737
00:38:20,425 --> 00:38:22,427
and go in any
direction you want.
738
00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:23,720
This is your interpretation.
739
00:38:23,762 --> 00:38:24,763
I'm just saying blues
goes in a straight line
740
00:38:24,804 --> 00:38:26,973
and jazz for me goes out.
741
00:38:27,015 --> 00:38:28,808
I just got through
crowning the whole globe
742
00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:30,477
that we live under
743
00:38:30,518 --> 00:38:32,687
blue.
744
00:38:32,729 --> 00:38:36,524
Ain't nobody ever look up and
say, oh, what a jazzy sky!
745
00:38:36,566 --> 00:38:38,526
They look up and say,
746
00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:40,528
oh, look at that beautiful
blue sky up there.
747
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:44,449
I had a fear, that
if I allowed myself
748
00:38:44,491 --> 00:38:46,534
to get closer and
start to get into
749
00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,453
the philosophical aspects,
750
00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:51,081
that it would definitely be
a negative to the business.
751
00:38:51,122 --> 00:38:53,875
And I didn't want to have a
philosophical argument with him
752
00:38:53,917 --> 00:38:57,003
and not show up for a gig
or something, you know?
753
00:38:57,045 --> 00:38:58,880
I definitely think
Adam was willing to do
754
00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:00,840
what a lot of people
do in these kind of
755
00:39:00,882 --> 00:39:03,677
co-dependent relationships,
which is just,
756
00:39:03,718 --> 00:39:05,512
whatever comes up, deal with it,
757
00:39:05,553 --> 00:39:07,138
even if it's really complicated,
758
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:10,141
and stuff that you wouldn't
consider normal, is normal,
759
00:39:10,183 --> 00:39:11,893
when you're in
that kind of thing.
760
00:39:11,935 --> 00:39:14,145
What does that have to do
with blues versus jazz?
761
00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:16,856
But I missed the transition.
762
00:39:16,898 --> 00:39:19,442
Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
763
00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:22,612
From the very first
meeting, I did know
764
00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:27,492
that I had a problem with
Satan, and Miss Macie.
765
00:39:28,618 --> 00:39:30,704
Miss Macie!
766
00:39:30,745 --> 00:39:34,791
Reach in my jacket pocket
there and get my pick.
767
00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:37,168
It's tempting to think
that he and I on the road
768
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:39,713
were kind of a buddy movie.
769
00:39:39,754 --> 00:39:41,589
And it's Butch and
Sundance, right?
770
00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:43,758
But every single gig that
we played on the road,
771
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,678
his wife, Miss Macie
was in the back seat.
772
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,929
She never drove.
773
00:39:47,971 --> 00:39:49,723
She never sat in the front seat.
774
00:39:49,764 --> 00:39:54,644
She was sometimes smelling
smells that weren't there.
775
00:39:54,686 --> 00:39:57,105
She heard my car speakers
say things to her
776
00:39:57,147 --> 00:39:59,566
that they weren't saying to her.
777
00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:02,777
She was counting the
money that he gave to her.
778
00:40:02,819 --> 00:40:04,988
That's one way he
kept her happy.
779
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:07,699
She occasionally got
pissed off at me or at him,
780
00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:09,659
and would come right up front.
781
00:40:09,701 --> 00:40:12,704
And occasionally I would
play my harmonica, and,
782
00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:13,955
go right back at her.
783
00:40:13,997 --> 00:40:15,957
And she'd shake her head
784
00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:17,208
like she knew I was
saying something to
her with that music.
785
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:18,251
And I was.
786
00:40:18,293 --> 00:40:19,794
[Sterling] Well...
787
00:40:19,836 --> 00:40:20,837
Got cold.
788
00:40:20,879 --> 00:40:22,130
(laughing)
789
00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:23,923
Hey, Miss Macie.
790
00:40:23,965 --> 00:40:27,052
[Macie] Thank you Mister Satan.
791
00:40:27,093 --> 00:40:29,929
That's why you act the way
you act, 'cause you're cheap.
792
00:40:29,971 --> 00:40:31,931
Oh whatever.
793
00:40:31,973 --> 00:40:33,808
(Macie laughing)
794
00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:35,810
[Adam] But he loved her.
That's my baby.
795
00:40:35,852 --> 00:40:39,189
For Adam, not only was
he the road manager,
796
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:41,941
but he was a shrink.
797
00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:45,570
In the sense that, he had
to deal with Miss Macie
798
00:40:45,612 --> 00:40:48,156
in their personal
arguments and/or not.
799
00:40:48,198 --> 00:40:50,158
Why don't you sit
around there, and...
800
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,284
I don't feel like
you should go there.
801
00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:53,119
She wants to be in the back.
802
00:40:53,161 --> 00:40:54,954
[Miss Macie] Now Mr. Gussow,
you can take it to your room.
803
00:40:54,996 --> 00:40:56,623
Take it to your room, Gussow.
804
00:40:56,664 --> 00:40:57,999
No, you gonna tell me I
shoulda went around there.
805
00:40:58,041 --> 00:40:59,751
[Adam] No, I won't!
No, no, no, he said
806
00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:02,128
maybe you might want
to be in the film.
807
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:04,923
No, I hate these movies,
they're too cheap for me.
808
00:41:04,964 --> 00:41:06,841
I remember one time,
Sterling and Miss Macie
809
00:41:06,883 --> 00:41:10,136
were fighting as we went up
the Connecticut turnpike.
810
00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:11,971
She hit him on the back of
the head while he's driving.
811
00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:13,973
That was the last straw for me.
812
00:41:14,015 --> 00:41:16,059
I said, Mister Satan, that's it.
813
00:41:16,101 --> 00:41:17,936
Pull to the side of the road.
814
00:41:19,729 --> 00:41:23,775
It's a very, very difficult
job, to move an act.
815
00:41:23,817 --> 00:41:28,697
And I couldn't hang any longer,
if you know what I'm saying.
816
00:41:28,738 --> 00:41:31,866
With love I had to
walk away, because,
817
00:41:31,908 --> 00:41:34,160
I had to maintain, for myself,
818
00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:37,831
I had to evaluate what
that project meant to me.
819
00:41:37,872 --> 00:41:39,290
And it was becoming a negative.
820
00:41:41,042 --> 00:41:44,337
Today happens to be,
almost exactly, to the day,
821
00:41:44,379 --> 00:41:47,924
10 years from the day that we
met on the streets in Harlem.
822
00:41:50,135 --> 00:41:51,636
[Sterling] Our 10
year anniversary!
823
00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:53,638
That's right, 10 years.
824
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,016
I developed an acid
stomach at that point,
825
00:41:56,057 --> 00:41:57,767
from just knowing that I
could not control anything.
826
00:41:57,809 --> 00:42:00,020
I just had a kind of
surrender and submit.
827
00:42:00,061 --> 00:42:01,896
It's me and Miss Macie
and Mister Satan.
828
00:42:03,064 --> 00:42:04,649
From start to finish.
829
00:42:04,691 --> 00:42:06,860
[Adam] And a lot of acting out.
830
00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:09,696
We'd moved from Margo,
to a brief thing
831
00:42:09,738 --> 00:42:11,114
with another agent that
didn't work out at all,
832
00:42:11,156 --> 00:42:12,741
to a guy named Hooter.
833
00:42:14,743 --> 00:42:16,202
But it wasn't building.
834
00:42:16,244 --> 00:42:19,122
The act was on a slight
descending thing.
835
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:24,794
They have a little
bit of lead in there.
836
00:42:24,836 --> 00:42:26,921
[Adam] But that couple
years, '96 to '98,
837
00:42:26,963 --> 00:42:28,798
he was no longer
living in New York.
838
00:42:29,924 --> 00:42:31,760
They had a slumlord.
839
00:42:31,801 --> 00:42:33,094
And the apartment
got in bad shape,
840
00:42:33,136 --> 00:42:34,804
and the landlord
was doing nothing.
841
00:42:34,846 --> 00:42:36,639
And I think the landlord
almost wanted them out,
842
00:42:36,681 --> 00:42:38,224
at a certain point.
843
00:42:38,266 --> 00:42:41,853
That was the beginning of
the gentrification of Harlem.
844
00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:45,106
And people were pissed off
about them being moved out.
845
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:47,359
So Miss Macie's mother
lived in Virginia.
846
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,361
And so when they decided they're
gonna leave their apartment
847
00:42:49,402 --> 00:42:51,071
instead of just moving
around the corner,
848
00:42:51,112 --> 00:42:52,864
or moving down the block,
849
00:42:52,906 --> 00:42:54,783
they moved a nine
hour drive away.
850
00:42:56,284 --> 00:42:58,036
We continued to tour.
851
00:42:58,078 --> 00:42:59,996
He would drive up, sleep
in his car with Miss Macie
852
00:43:00,038 --> 00:43:02,999
kind of on the same block where
he used to live in Harlem.
853
00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:05,085
And then we would go off
on the road, in my car.
854
00:43:05,126 --> 00:43:07,003
And go and play a gig
or two on a weekend,
855
00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:09,339
and then he'd drive
back down to Virginia.
856
00:43:09,381 --> 00:43:10,924
So there was a lot
of stress on him.
857
00:43:10,965 --> 00:43:12,258
I never understood
how he could do it.
858
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,928
How could you come home
from a 300-mile drive
859
00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:17,263
from Portland, Maine, and then
sleep in your car that night
860
00:43:17,305 --> 00:43:18,765
when I get to go home?
861
00:43:18,807 --> 00:43:20,308
That's rough.
862
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:22,977
Not being a pampered artist,
863
00:43:23,019 --> 00:43:24,938
or an artist with
a travel budget,
864
00:43:24,979 --> 00:43:27,816
and at least a roadie
helping move things,
865
00:43:27,857 --> 00:43:29,275
and tour managers.
866
00:43:29,317 --> 00:43:30,819
When you're doing
that all yourself,
867
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:32,404
after a while that
has to grind on you.
868
00:43:33,863 --> 00:43:35,115
And this is what I hate.
869
00:43:37,075 --> 00:43:38,952
The playin' ain't no problem,
870
00:43:38,993 --> 00:43:40,245
it's the work
that's the problem.
871
00:43:40,286 --> 00:43:41,287
It's not good food.
872
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:42,831
It's coffee.
873
00:43:42,872 --> 00:43:44,207
And it's the long drives.
874
00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:46,167
Too much to drink and
not nearly enough sleep.
875
00:43:48,044 --> 00:43:50,130
In early April of
'98, I noticed,
876
00:43:50,171 --> 00:43:52,132
for a couple months before that,
877
00:43:52,173 --> 00:43:53,466
he just seemed
kind of dispirited.
878
00:43:53,508 --> 00:43:56,469
I didn't know what was going on.
879
00:43:56,511 --> 00:43:59,472
He actually started, he
was dying his beard black.
880
00:43:59,514 --> 00:44:01,057
At it had always been gray.
881
00:44:01,099 --> 00:44:02,851
And I thought, why is
he dying his beard?
882
00:44:02,892 --> 00:44:05,770
This is a guy, he's totally
about just being who he is.
883
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,106
Miss Macie.
884
00:44:09,774 --> 00:44:12,027
The last gig we played,
885
00:44:12,068 --> 00:44:13,737
we just started off and
he missed some lyrics
886
00:44:13,778 --> 00:44:14,946
for the first song.
887
00:44:14,988 --> 00:44:16,322
And I said, this is strange.
888
00:44:16,364 --> 00:44:18,033
I mean he's never, he
doesn't lose lyrics.
889
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,745
He's my hero, so I mean,
890
00:44:21,786 --> 00:44:23,121
he's my hero 'cause his energy's
891
00:44:23,163 --> 00:44:26,332
always been impossibly strong.
892
00:44:26,374 --> 00:44:28,001
And when it wasn't I
naturally got worried.
893
00:44:29,169 --> 00:44:30,962
We had a gig on a Friday.
894
00:44:31,004 --> 00:44:33,840
And that Thursday Miss Macie
called me up, and said,
895
00:44:33,882 --> 00:44:35,467
that they had gotten
up to New York,
896
00:44:35,508 --> 00:44:40,513
and had just turned around
and drove all the way back home.
897
00:44:40,555 --> 00:44:44,517
470 miles up, he
got to his throne.
898
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,270
Something happened, and
he drove all the way back.
899
00:45:11,419 --> 00:45:13,171
[Adam] I wasn't on
e-mail contact with him,
900
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:16,508
the phone number didn't work.
901
00:45:16,549 --> 00:45:18,760
Sterling had really just
kind of fallen off the grid.
902
00:45:20,136 --> 00:45:23,223
And it was basically,
he was gone.
903
00:45:23,264 --> 00:45:24,516
Boom.
904
00:45:24,557 --> 00:45:25,934
He was gone.
905
00:45:27,435 --> 00:45:31,022
I mean apart from the
sadness and concern,
906
00:45:31,064 --> 00:45:33,233
I mean, huge concern.
907
00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:35,860
What are you going to do when
somebody just disappears?
908
00:45:38,154 --> 00:45:40,990
(melancholy music)
909
00:47:58,128 --> 00:47:59,421
Come on.
910
00:49:14,704 --> 00:49:17,624
(melancholy music)
911
00:50:54,929 --> 00:50:57,807
(melancholy music)
912
00:51:17,243 --> 00:51:20,163
He's a blues musician, his
instrument, the harmonica.
913
00:51:20,205 --> 00:51:21,706
He was educated at
Princeton and Columbia,
914
00:51:21,748 --> 00:51:23,750
but he learned about
music on the street.
915
00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,211
Adam Gussow describes
his odyssey and growth
916
00:51:26,252 --> 00:51:28,296
in his new book, Mister
Satan's Apprentice.
917
00:51:30,423 --> 00:51:32,759
[Adam] So I went off on
the road, on a book tour.
918
00:51:32,801 --> 00:51:34,511
Mister Satan's Apprentice.
919
00:51:34,552 --> 00:51:36,680
The natural question is,
so how's the act doing now?
920
00:51:36,721 --> 00:51:38,598
Where are you guys?
921
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,642
It's hard to answer
that question.
922
00:51:40,684 --> 00:51:44,437
I had to basically, the
kind word is finesse it.
923
00:51:44,479 --> 00:51:47,232
The truth is sort of lie.
924
00:51:47,273 --> 00:51:48,775
'Cause I didn't know
what was going on.
925
00:51:50,735 --> 00:51:52,195
And I was losing a lot.
926
00:51:52,237 --> 00:51:55,365
My father had died
in May of 1997.
927
00:51:55,407 --> 00:51:57,242
Sterling disappears
a year later.
928
00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:02,414
So I'm having my own struggle.
929
00:52:02,455 --> 00:52:04,541
It's missing him, it's being
aware of things in my life
930
00:52:04,582 --> 00:52:06,793
that are not right, it's
all that stuff together.
931
00:52:12,674 --> 00:52:15,468
So in the spring of 2000,
932
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:18,471
my plan was to go
and visit Sterling.
933
00:52:18,513 --> 00:52:19,764
And I had a heart attack.
934
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:23,810
(melancholy music)
935
00:52:26,229 --> 00:52:27,605
I was in intermediate
intensive care
936
00:52:27,647 --> 00:52:29,566
for three and a half days.
937
00:52:29,607 --> 00:52:31,484
And it was an
incredible life shock.
938
00:52:33,028 --> 00:52:35,780
So I never got to
see him that time.
939
00:52:35,822 --> 00:52:36,906
I never got to see him.
940
00:52:38,616 --> 00:52:40,618
Losing a father,
losing Sterling.
941
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:42,203
Talk about things falling apart.
942
00:52:44,289 --> 00:52:47,208
(melancholy music)
943
00:52:52,589 --> 00:52:55,633
First time that I met
Sterling was when I was
944
00:52:55,675 --> 00:52:58,303
the brand new activity
director at the nursing home.
945
00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:03,600
Of course I had to
get to know everybody
946
00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:06,686
there in the facility
and try and find out
947
00:53:06,728 --> 00:53:09,397
some of their likes and
dislikes in the past,
948
00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:11,941
to give them a nice time
while they're there.
949
00:53:11,983 --> 00:53:15,737
And why I started asking
Sterling some of his past,
950
00:53:15,779 --> 00:53:17,739
and he wasn't really
that forthcoming,
951
00:53:17,781 --> 00:53:18,948
he was kind of quiet.
952
00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:20,367
Kept to himself a lot.
953
00:53:22,952 --> 00:53:25,538
You would see him with his
head down just a little bit.
954
00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:29,876
And he was always
stomping his feet.
955
00:53:29,918 --> 00:53:32,379
And of course in health
care, sometimes you think
956
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:34,798
it's just some kind of
a medical condition.
957
00:53:38,593 --> 00:53:40,970
When I was asking around
and a couple of folks said,
958
00:53:41,012 --> 00:53:43,723
well, yeah, he was some
type of a music man
959
00:53:43,765 --> 00:53:44,933
or something, at one time.
960
00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:48,561
There was just
something about Sterling
961
00:53:48,603 --> 00:53:51,564
that I knew needed
a second look.
962
00:53:51,606 --> 00:53:54,567
I was curious enough
to go on the internet.
963
00:53:54,609 --> 00:53:56,778
And I was blown away.
964
00:54:00,907 --> 00:54:03,993
I got the call from Kevin.
965
00:54:04,035 --> 00:54:07,330
Sterling was at this
Medicare facility in Florida.
966
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:10,583
As I walked into this facility,
967
00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:12,460
I did not know what
I was about to see.
968
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:19,342
You know, I never
associated Sterling
969
00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:21,011
with medical facilities.
970
00:54:21,052 --> 00:54:23,763
You know the strange thing
is Sterling hated doctors.
971
00:54:26,433 --> 00:54:30,061
And I remember being
led out onto the patio.
972
00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:36,943
Hey, Mr. Gussow.
973
00:54:38,653 --> 00:54:40,739
[Adam] It had been a
couple years, I think.
974
00:54:51,833 --> 00:54:53,543
Yeah, let me get this.
975
00:55:00,675 --> 00:55:03,803
(guitar strumming)
976
00:55:03,845 --> 00:55:06,431
[Adam] He couldn't really
play guitar at all.
977
00:55:06,473 --> 00:55:08,516
My thought was, god,
he can't play a note.
978
00:55:08,558 --> 00:55:10,810
This is a man who could
play circles around
979
00:55:10,852 --> 00:55:12,354
any guitarist in the world.
980
00:55:14,022 --> 00:55:16,399
I was shocked.
981
00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:19,486
Took a while for
that to sink in.
982
00:55:21,404 --> 00:55:23,823
It's a struggle when you think
of somebody as so powerful.
983
00:55:25,408 --> 00:55:27,952
And you're forced to
recognize the fact
984
00:55:27,994 --> 00:55:30,038
that they're not what they were.
985
00:55:39,464 --> 00:55:40,548
And I had to recognize that.
986
00:55:42,926 --> 00:55:44,552
'Cause I thought of
him as all-powerful.
987
00:55:50,725 --> 00:55:53,019
That's Mister Satan on
the band, right here.
988
00:55:53,061 --> 00:55:56,106
We played y'all all
that, you know that!
989
00:55:56,147 --> 00:55:57,148
How you feeling?
990
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:58,692
You are beautiful!
991
00:55:59,776 --> 00:56:01,069
You are handsome!
992
00:56:02,237 --> 00:56:04,197
You're kind!
993
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,074
And most of all,
994
00:56:06,116 --> 00:56:07,826
y'all is applauding.
995
00:56:10,829 --> 00:56:13,540
(dramatic music)
996
00:56:55,957 --> 00:56:57,709
I'm about to move,
997
00:56:57,751 --> 00:57:00,086
after basically a
lifetime in New York City.
998
00:57:00,128 --> 00:57:03,048
I've been hired
as a tenure track
999
00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:06,259
assistant professor of
English and Southern studies,
1000
00:57:06,301 --> 00:57:08,762
at the University of
Mississippi, in Oxford.
1001
00:57:08,803 --> 00:57:11,723
And I'll be teaching courses
in American Literature,
1002
00:57:11,765 --> 00:57:13,725
and African-American Literature.
1003
00:57:13,767 --> 00:57:15,018
I may do a course
1004
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,145
on the Civil Rights
Movement in the Spring.
1005
00:57:17,187 --> 00:57:19,773
I'm about to move to Mister
Satan's own native state.
1006
00:57:19,814 --> 00:57:21,941
And it's a very
interesting, unexpected
1007
00:57:21,983 --> 00:57:24,736
kind of New
York-Mississippi connection.
1008
00:57:24,778 --> 00:57:27,697
(blowing harmonica)
1009
00:57:29,866 --> 00:57:32,577
The digital delay that I used
on the street all those years.
1010
00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:38,958
I thought about all the
things that, you know,
1011
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,251
had taken place in this room.
1012
00:57:40,293 --> 00:57:42,212
I mean, Mister
Satan and Miss Macie
1013
00:57:42,253 --> 00:57:43,922
were here at one point.
1014
00:57:43,963 --> 00:57:46,299
In fact we had a little
vodka toast shortly after
1015
00:57:46,341 --> 00:57:47,884
our first recording session.
1016
00:57:51,846 --> 00:57:56,309
Well, it feels like I've
done a lot of living here.
1017
00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:58,603
And it's time for
the next chapter.
1018
00:58:03,942 --> 00:58:06,778
So anyway I did my
mourning last night.
1019
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:08,988
I've been letting
go for a while.
1020
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:10,907
And trying to get ready.
1021
00:58:13,785 --> 00:58:16,204
(dramatic music)
1022
00:58:30,885 --> 00:58:34,347
[Kevin] Music has always been
a very big part of my life.
1023
00:58:34,389 --> 00:58:38,935
As I stepped into healthcare,
and seen the responses
1024
00:58:38,977 --> 00:58:43,023
that you can get from
people with music.
1025
00:58:43,064 --> 00:58:46,026
So my development with Sterling,
1026
00:58:46,067 --> 00:58:47,861
it went way beyond me
1027
00:58:47,902 --> 00:58:49,863
having him as just
another resident.
1028
00:58:49,904 --> 00:58:50,905
[Sterling] Hey there!
1029
00:58:50,947 --> 00:58:51,948
[Kevin] Sterling Magee!
1030
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:52,991
[Sterling] Good morning.
1031
00:58:53,033 --> 00:58:54,034
[Kevin] How are you doing?
1032
00:58:54,075 --> 00:58:55,035
[Sterling] A-okay, sir.
1033
00:58:55,076 --> 00:58:56,119
Alright.
1034
00:58:56,161 --> 00:58:57,370
There was just something
1035
00:58:57,412 --> 00:58:59,956
that emanated from
him in some way.
1036
00:58:59,998 --> 00:59:03,043
You know and it was like some
type of magnetism or whatever,
1037
00:59:03,084 --> 00:59:06,171
but there was just something
about him that made me
1038
00:59:06,212 --> 00:59:07,881
take that extra step,
1039
00:59:07,922 --> 00:59:10,842
in getting him back on
the right track again.
1040
00:59:12,135 --> 00:59:14,721
(uplifting music)
1041
00:59:19,184 --> 00:59:21,644
And here we are at
the dentist's office.
1042
00:59:21,686 --> 00:59:24,064
And here's Sterling
getting his new choppers.
1043
00:59:24,105 --> 00:59:25,899
Am I coming home, Mr. Kevin?
1044
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:26,941
[Kevin] Yes, you're coming home.
1045
00:59:28,777 --> 00:59:30,278
(laughing)
1046
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,863
What do you think, Sterling?
1047
00:59:31,905 --> 00:59:32,906
I like it.
1048
00:59:32,947 --> 00:59:34,741
[Kevin] You like your smile?
1049
00:59:34,783 --> 00:59:36,785
Hell yes, I like it.
1050
00:59:36,826 --> 00:59:38,411
Okay.
Behave yourself.
1051
00:59:38,453 --> 00:59:39,329
I shall.
1052
00:59:42,916 --> 00:59:44,417
[Man] Fantastic.
1053
00:59:44,459 --> 00:59:46,002
(laughing)
1054
00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:47,045
[Man] Congratulations.
1055
00:59:47,087 --> 00:59:48,046
Thank you, sir.
1056
00:59:50,924 --> 00:59:53,843
You remember going to
this, playing here?
1057
00:59:53,885 --> 00:59:55,011
Folk festival.
1058
00:59:55,053 --> 00:59:57,180
The Winnipeg Folk Festival.
1059
00:59:57,222 --> 00:59:58,390
Yes sir.
1060
00:59:58,431 --> 01:00:00,141
There's your little bio.
1061
01:00:00,183 --> 01:00:01,935
Read it for me.
1062
01:00:01,976 --> 01:00:05,897
It says, this is a wild and
very original new blues duo.
1063
01:00:05,939 --> 01:00:09,734
Satan, Harlem's
legend Sterling Magee,
1064
01:00:09,776 --> 01:00:13,988
kicks, stomps and roars on
an electric, and percussion.
1065
01:00:14,030 --> 01:00:17,367
While Adam Gussow blows
up soul jazz harp,
1066
01:00:17,409 --> 01:00:22,163
earning them a W.C. Handy
nomination for their debut,
1067
01:00:22,205 --> 01:00:25,834
and creating a sound that is
not for the faint of heart.
1068
01:00:27,335 --> 01:00:30,255
(laughing)
1069
01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:31,423
That sound like you guys?
1070
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:36,845
Ain't got him no more.
1071
01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:42,058
You know when you get
into a nursing home,
1072
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:43,852
you don't have too
much left of your past.
1073
01:00:45,812 --> 01:00:49,149
He did have a guitar that was
on his chair, in his room,
1074
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:51,151
but he was using it
more for a clothes rack
1075
01:00:51,192 --> 01:00:53,403
than anything else.
1076
01:00:53,445 --> 01:00:57,323
It hit me that even what
I was doing at the time,
1077
01:00:57,365 --> 01:00:58,324
wasn't enough for him.
1078
01:01:00,410 --> 01:01:04,164
A lady who had her mom
there at the same time,
1079
01:01:04,205 --> 01:01:05,498
she knew a blues guy
1080
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:08,043
who was really super
here in the area.
1081
01:01:08,084 --> 01:01:10,337
By the name of TC Carr.
1082
01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:12,255
She said, there's this
man, this music man here,
1083
01:01:12,297 --> 01:01:14,049
he's full of music.
1084
01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:15,467
And he's a real nice black man,
1085
01:01:15,508 --> 01:01:16,509
you got to meet him sometime.
1086
01:01:16,551 --> 01:01:17,802
I said okay.
1087
01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:19,471
And the next time I came,
1088
01:01:19,512 --> 01:01:21,264
I brought a harmonica with me,
1089
01:01:21,306 --> 01:01:24,184
and I ran into Mr. Sterling.
1090
01:01:24,225 --> 01:01:27,270
And I just said, well I play
harmonica, he says, you do?
1091
01:01:27,312 --> 01:01:29,147
Can you play it?
1092
01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:32,734
(playing blues harmonica)
1093
01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:36,112
Yes, yes, yes!
1094
01:01:36,154 --> 01:01:37,280
And he just lit up.
1095
01:01:37,322 --> 01:01:38,239
His eyes just went...
1096
01:01:40,867 --> 01:01:44,454
And Kevin brought out a
guitar, and he strummed,
1097
01:01:44,496 --> 01:01:48,291
and I played, and man,
it was cool, because,
1098
01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:50,293
I could see it
pouring out of him.
1099
01:01:50,335 --> 01:01:53,088
And I knew this was something
that I was supposed to do.
1100
01:01:53,129 --> 01:01:54,964
(bright blues music)
1101
01:01:56,466 --> 01:01:58,802
TC recently had some
heart surgery himself,
1102
01:01:58,843 --> 01:02:01,221
so he was recovering too.
1103
01:02:01,262 --> 01:02:02,889
He'd come over every
once in a while,
1104
01:02:02,931 --> 01:02:05,058
and play with Sterling
on the back porch.
1105
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,435
Sterling wasn't doing any
singing or anything like that,
1106
01:02:07,477 --> 01:02:10,814
but he was playing along
with TC.
1107
01:02:10,855 --> 01:02:14,234
(bright blues music)
1108
01:02:14,275 --> 01:02:16,069
[Sterling] We sat back
in the patio back there
1109
01:02:16,111 --> 01:02:17,404
once or twice a week.
1110
01:02:17,445 --> 01:02:19,322
And it's become a good thing.
1111
01:02:21,616 --> 01:02:23,034
It's like medicine for me.
1112
01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:28,415
Wow!
1113
01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:35,046
(uplifting music)
1114
01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:43,972
This is my wife Sherrie.
1115
01:02:44,014 --> 01:02:45,390
That's our wedding photo.
1116
01:02:45,432 --> 01:02:46,599
I mean it's a photo that we got,
1117
01:02:46,641 --> 01:02:48,309
that was at the wedding.
1118
01:02:48,351 --> 01:02:51,062
And everybody who came
to the wedding signed it.
1119
01:02:51,104 --> 01:02:54,816
That's Shaun, at about
a year and a half maybe.
1120
01:02:56,276 --> 01:02:58,528
That is Mila, so that's
Sherrie's daughter.
1121
01:03:00,363 --> 01:03:01,823
That's the wall.
1122
01:03:04,325 --> 01:03:06,286
I thought I was gonna
play more music down here.
1123
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:11,374
The truth is, I've had a lot
of other things on my mind.
1124
01:03:11,416 --> 01:03:14,502
I'm in a very different position
in my own life, I think,
1125
01:03:14,544 --> 01:03:16,504
kind of been my own
spiritual development.
1126
01:03:21,092 --> 01:03:24,095
Would I have ended up
here if I hadn't met him?
1127
01:03:26,181 --> 01:03:28,641
To the extent that I'm
an English professor,
it was because
1128
01:03:28,683 --> 01:03:31,644
African-American
literature was what I do.
1129
01:03:31,686 --> 01:03:33,313
And my interest in
that was partly fueled
1130
01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:35,315
by my experience with him.
1131
01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:37,484
I wouldn't have had the
qualifications to get this job
1132
01:03:37,525 --> 01:03:39,361
if I hadn't met him.
1133
01:03:39,402 --> 01:03:41,196
And had that whole
life in Harlem.
1134
01:03:43,198 --> 01:03:45,158
When you've had
a powerful experience like
1135
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,202
playing with him for 12 years,
1136
01:03:47,243 --> 01:03:50,413
what do you do with it
for the rest of your life?
1137
01:03:50,455 --> 01:03:52,165
I got kind of
spoiled, it's like,
1138
01:03:52,207 --> 01:03:55,210
why would you want to go
on and find another group?
1139
01:03:55,251 --> 01:03:58,004
I think most of the music
I had it in me to make,
1140
01:03:58,046 --> 01:04:00,048
I've already made.
1141
01:04:00,090 --> 01:04:02,133
I think you're
allowed to let go.
1142
01:04:02,175 --> 01:04:03,343
When you've given
the blues a good run,
1143
01:04:03,385 --> 01:04:04,386
you're allowed to let go.
1144
01:04:05,553 --> 01:04:08,306
(harmonica music)
1145
01:04:12,102 --> 01:04:14,020
[Kevin] With Sterling,
TC would bring him out
1146
01:04:14,062 --> 01:04:18,441
to a little local place in
town called the Peninsula Inn.
1147
01:04:18,483 --> 01:04:20,610
This old gentleman
I knew from way back
1148
01:04:20,652 --> 01:04:22,445
was playing piano down here.
1149
01:04:22,487 --> 01:04:25,407
Introduced him to Sterling and
we jammed out a little bit,
1150
01:04:27,117 --> 01:04:29,369
and he was real raw.
1151
01:04:29,411 --> 01:04:31,579
And then he just
started to sing,
1152
01:04:31,621 --> 01:04:33,498
and then all them songs
started to come out.
1153
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:34,708
Every day!
1154
01:04:34,749 --> 01:04:35,625
[TC] Every day!
1155
01:04:37,585 --> 01:04:41,214
Every day I have the blues.
1156
01:04:41,256 --> 01:04:44,592
(harmonica solo)
1157
01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:46,386
You know I had a lot
of heart problems,
1158
01:04:46,428 --> 01:04:48,555
and I wasn't playing
harmonic hard
1159
01:04:48,596 --> 01:04:50,473
because I was afraid
it would kill me.
1160
01:04:52,267 --> 01:04:55,103
(slow blues music)
1161
01:04:58,273 --> 01:05:00,442
Sterling helped me
in letting it loose,
1162
01:05:00,483 --> 01:05:02,152
and it's sort of
an attitude, like,
1163
01:05:02,193 --> 01:05:04,070
I don't care if
I die doing this.
1164
01:05:04,112 --> 01:05:05,280
I'm gonna die happy.
1165
01:05:06,531 --> 01:05:08,658
(slow blues music)
1166
01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:17,417
TC called me up, he says,
1167
01:05:17,459 --> 01:05:19,169
you've gotta come down
here and see this.
1168
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:23,340
And when I went down there,
I didn't see the same guy
1169
01:05:23,381 --> 01:05:26,051
that I saw in the nursing home.
1170
01:05:26,092 --> 01:05:29,054
(cheering, applause)
1171
01:05:35,477 --> 01:05:38,021
Between myself and
the town of Gulfport,
1172
01:05:38,063 --> 01:05:41,649
came together and we
found the exact same
1173
01:05:41,691 --> 01:05:45,236
golden superstud guitar
that he had played.
1174
01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:47,113
But we needed a drummer.
1175
01:05:47,155 --> 01:05:48,365
[Kevin] There's Dave.
1176
01:05:48,406 --> 01:05:49,616
Yes sir!
1177
01:05:49,657 --> 01:05:50,658
[Kevin] Say hey
Dave, good morning.
1178
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,369
Good morning!
1179
01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:54,788
[Kevin] Of course he was
the heartbeat of the band.
1180
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:57,290
I am Sterling's roadie.
1181
01:05:57,332 --> 01:05:59,668
Satan's roadie as
they would say.
1182
01:05:59,709 --> 01:06:03,463
Then we sat him on that
stool, picked up that guitar,
1183
01:06:03,505 --> 01:06:05,340
and put it around his neck.
1184
01:06:05,382 --> 01:06:08,385
He put them feet in them pedals,
1185
01:06:08,426 --> 01:06:10,553
and he was Mister Satan.
1186
01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:14,182
(laughing)
1187
01:06:14,224 --> 01:06:15,517
Thank y'all!
1188
01:06:15,558 --> 01:06:18,478
From then on, there
was no stopping him.
1189
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,398
And there was no stopping this
flow of what was happening.
1190
01:06:21,439 --> 01:06:24,484
People coming out of the
woodwork to come and see him,
1191
01:06:24,526 --> 01:06:27,612
and to have heard
his name before.
1192
01:06:27,654 --> 01:06:29,656
The players of the band
that played with Sterling
1193
01:06:29,698 --> 01:06:32,450
three to four hours a
night, every single week,
1194
01:06:32,492 --> 01:06:34,411
they'd come down, bring
all of their own equipment
1195
01:06:34,452 --> 01:06:36,413
and everything,
not one single time
1196
01:06:36,454 --> 01:06:38,331
did anybody ever ask for a dime.
1197
01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:40,083
And they did it
for the privilege
1198
01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:42,335
of just playing with Sterling.
1199
01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:43,712
Playing with Mister Satan.
1200
01:06:45,088 --> 01:06:47,632
(uplifting music)
1201
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,644
With Adam, the last
time that he visited,
1202
01:06:59,686 --> 01:07:02,355
he resigned himself
to the fact that
1203
01:07:02,397 --> 01:07:04,441
Satan and Adam is no more.
1204
01:07:04,482 --> 01:07:06,192
And I said,
1205
01:07:07,402 --> 01:07:08,695
far from it.
1206
01:07:15,452 --> 01:07:18,371
When I started to come down,
1207
01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:22,542
it was incredible, to see the
rebirth of Sterling Magee.
1208
01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,670
One, two, one, five,
something like that.
1209
01:07:25,712 --> 01:07:28,256
(blues music)
1210
01:07:30,759 --> 01:07:32,677
We often want people
1211
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:34,387
to play the role that
we've assigned them,
1212
01:07:34,429 --> 01:07:36,681
in our own little ongoing drama.
1213
01:07:36,723 --> 01:07:39,309
You want him to be all
powerful Mister Satan.
1214
01:07:39,351 --> 01:07:41,394
That's not where he is
or who he is right now.
1215
01:07:42,937 --> 01:07:46,733
It was hard for me to
let go of my memories.
1216
01:07:46,775 --> 01:07:49,277
(blues music)
1217
01:07:57,243 --> 01:07:58,870
And then I could look to Dave,
1218
01:07:58,912 --> 01:08:01,414
and Kevin, and how lovingly they
1219
01:08:01,456 --> 01:08:03,667
made Sterling just kind
of part of the family.
1220
01:08:03,708 --> 01:08:05,335
Gave him human community.
1221
01:08:05,377 --> 01:08:07,337
Joked with him.
1222
01:08:07,379 --> 01:08:10,757
That was one more lesson
that I had to learn.
1223
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:13,343
And it was a lesson he
taught along the way,
1224
01:08:13,385 --> 01:08:15,595
which is the lesson of
surrender or acceptance.
1225
01:08:15,637 --> 01:08:18,473
And it was letting it
be exactly what it was,
1226
01:08:18,515 --> 01:08:20,475
as opposed to
dwelling in the space
1227
01:08:20,517 --> 01:08:23,311
between what you wanted
it to be and what it is.
1228
01:08:24,896 --> 01:08:26,940
So I think for me,
1229
01:08:26,981 --> 01:08:28,900
learning how to let go,
1230
01:08:28,942 --> 01:08:31,319
and then you know, it was, what
can we do with what we have?
1231
01:08:36,825 --> 01:08:39,327
(driving blues music)
1232
01:08:41,621 --> 01:08:44,874
Suddenly, our sound
blossomed out of nowhere.
1233
01:08:52,882 --> 01:08:54,718
And it was just
amazing to have that,
1234
01:08:54,759 --> 01:08:56,720
after really not imagining
that we'd see it again.
1235
01:08:56,761 --> 01:08:59,222
And so we decided
we'd keep going.
1236
01:08:59,264 --> 01:09:00,473
We'd go on these little tours.
1237
01:09:00,515 --> 01:09:02,726
Play a festival or two or three.
1238
01:09:02,767 --> 01:09:04,686
There was this kind of
excitement that blues fans
1239
01:09:04,728 --> 01:09:06,479
who would say, Satan
and Adam again, really?
1240
01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:08,773
People thought we disappeared.
1241
01:09:08,815 --> 01:09:10,483
Hey!
1242
01:09:10,525 --> 01:09:12,402
[Adam] We made this decision
that we were gonna do
1243
01:09:12,444 --> 01:09:14,612
a Satan and Adam return album,
1244
01:09:14,654 --> 01:09:16,614
with me and
Sterling, and Rachel.
1245
01:09:17,741 --> 01:09:20,994
(driving blues music)
1246
01:09:21,036 --> 01:09:22,579
It was great to
be back with them.
1247
01:09:26,791 --> 01:09:29,336
These two guys
are like a couple.
1248
01:09:29,377 --> 01:09:30,503
They belong together.
1249
01:09:30,545 --> 01:09:32,380
No matter what form it takes,
1250
01:09:32,422 --> 01:09:34,674
or how many years go by.
1251
01:09:34,716 --> 01:09:38,553
There's always that feeling
that they are together.
1252
01:09:38,595 --> 01:09:40,555
Satan and Adam.
1253
01:09:40,597 --> 01:09:43,516
(cheering, applause)
1254
01:09:45,643 --> 01:09:46,770
Yeah!
1255
01:09:48,813 --> 01:09:50,774
Alright put your hands together.
1256
01:09:50,815 --> 01:09:51,733
(laughs)
1257
01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:55,570
Thank you!
1258
01:09:55,612 --> 01:09:58,573
Of course then, Sterling really
had something to live for.
1259
01:10:00,742 --> 01:10:02,535
New York hat.
1260
01:10:02,577 --> 01:10:03,411
It's nice.
1261
01:10:05,663 --> 01:10:08,041
Shortly after, an agent
called me up and he said,
1262
01:10:08,083 --> 01:10:09,668
I've got a really
big one for you.
1263
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:10,835
I've got a big get.
1264
01:10:12,462 --> 01:10:14,589
When Adam gave me
the call, and said,
1265
01:10:14,631 --> 01:10:16,549
we had the opportunity to play
1266
01:10:16,591 --> 01:10:18,551
at the New Orleans Jazz
and Heritage Festival.
1267
01:10:19,719 --> 01:10:21,429
And I said, really?
1268
01:10:24,015 --> 01:10:25,266
Alright.
1269
01:11:10,979 --> 01:11:13,940
[Adam] You know, America's
a tortured place, racially,
1270
01:11:13,982 --> 01:11:18,111
and we all feel right now
these particular evil days.
1271
01:11:18,153 --> 01:11:20,697
We can't know kind of
where that's gonna lead.
1272
01:11:20,739 --> 01:11:23,450
Sterling and I, we were
very conscious, both of us,
1273
01:11:23,491 --> 01:11:26,453
of the racial politics that
were swirling around us.
1274
01:11:26,494 --> 01:11:28,872
[Announcer] Welcome back
to the blues tent, y'all.
1275
01:11:28,913 --> 01:11:30,081
Are you having fun yet?
1276
01:11:30,123 --> 01:11:31,499
[Adam] So one of the lessons
1277
01:11:31,541 --> 01:11:33,043
I've learned from all of this,
1278
01:11:33,084 --> 01:11:35,462
is how important it was
to have seen Sterling
1279
01:11:35,503 --> 01:11:37,756
that very first day in Harlem
and have taken the risk
1280
01:11:37,797 --> 01:11:39,924
to be able to sort of
push past my own fear.
1281
01:11:41,718 --> 01:11:44,721
And if I'd let racial fear
keep me out of Harlem,
1282
01:11:44,763 --> 01:11:47,140
keep me from asking
him if I could sit in,
1283
01:11:47,182 --> 01:11:49,601
you know, the story
wouldn't have happened.
1284
01:11:51,478 --> 01:11:52,979
So that's, you know,
the blues ethos.
1285
01:11:53,021 --> 01:11:55,899
You gotta keep walking forward.
1286
01:11:57,650 --> 01:11:58,818
[Announcer] Ladies
and gentlemen,
1287
01:11:58,860 --> 01:12:01,112
please welcome Satan and Adam!
1288
01:12:01,154 --> 01:12:03,823
(cheering)
1289
01:12:03,865 --> 01:12:06,534
(uplifting music)
1290
01:12:27,555 --> 01:12:29,724
(cheering)
1291
01:12:33,895 --> 01:12:36,398
You're beautiful
and you're kind.
1292
01:12:38,566 --> 01:12:40,068
[Adam] There's nothing
that could happen to him
1293
01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:43,154
that could negate the
explosiveness of his gift,
1294
01:12:43,196 --> 01:12:46,116
and the way in which
he completely gave it.
1295
01:12:46,157 --> 01:12:47,659
[Announcer] Satan
and Adam, y'all.
1296
01:12:47,701 --> 01:12:49,994
(cheering)
1297
01:12:50,036 --> 01:12:51,579
[Adam] I mean, I
really love the man.
1298
01:13:00,755 --> 01:13:02,716
(cheering)
1299
01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:18,606
(calming music)
1300
01:13:28,491 --> 01:13:29,701
Miss Macie!
1301
01:13:32,245 --> 01:13:34,122
(chuckles)
1302
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:38,168
(calming music)
1303
01:14:08,823 --> 01:14:10,283
[Adam] Happy birthday!
1304
01:14:10,325 --> 01:14:11,785
[Crowd] Happy birthday!
1305
01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:13,661
We gotta do that, right?
1306
01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:17,707
[Adam] Make a wish and blow.
1307
01:14:19,042 --> 01:14:22,003
(cheering)
1308
01:14:22,045 --> 01:14:24,673
I wish to be 155.
1309
01:14:30,011 --> 01:14:31,805
The mother mojo!
1310
01:14:31,846 --> 01:14:35,975
("Mother Mojo" by
Satan and Adam)
1311
01:15:37,245 --> 01:15:40,874
("Angel of Harlem" by U2)
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