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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:14,741 [Adam] I was in graduate school at Columbia. 2 00:01:14,783 --> 00:01:16,618 Kind of at the tail end of a long relationship 3 00:01:16,659 --> 00:01:18,119 that wasn't quite working out. 4 00:01:20,830 --> 00:01:23,333 I was feeling no subtleties to life at all. 5 00:01:23,375 --> 00:01:24,459 I was feeling defeated. 6 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:29,547 If you're sitting alone in a room 7 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:30,882 and your girlfriend has just walked out 8 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:33,760 with somebody you knew. 9 00:01:33,802 --> 00:01:36,638 You kind of say, fuck this, I'm too restless to sit here! 10 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:44,771 If I leave here, and I go somewhere, and rip open my chest, 11 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:47,190 and play, that's where my release is. 12 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:52,821 (harmonica music) 13 00:01:57,492 --> 00:02:00,495 If you are forced into a different dimension of life 14 00:02:00,537 --> 00:02:03,206 in which a pain suddenly hits you and it is soul deep, 15 00:02:05,375 --> 00:02:08,294 it's an experience of being overtaken by emotion. 16 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:15,969 So I think I was in a space 17 00:02:16,011 --> 00:02:17,804 to be able to really appreciate blues 18 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:18,847 and be struck by blues. 19 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:31,484 So I was in Harlem, and I passed the Apollo, 20 00:02:31,526 --> 00:02:33,653 and I was on the next block. 21 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:34,988 And there was a guy playing right in front 22 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:36,197 of the phone company. 23 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:40,201 (blues music) 24 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,711 So I was a little anxious being on the street in Harlem. 25 00:02:51,546 --> 00:02:54,758 But I fought my anxiety, walked up to a guy 26 00:02:54,799 --> 00:02:56,551 who was watching, and I said, who is that? 27 00:02:56,593 --> 00:02:57,844 He said, that's Satan. 28 00:02:57,886 --> 00:02:58,887 Everybody in Harlem knows Satan. 29 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,015 And then I went up to him, I said, 30 00:03:02,057 --> 00:03:04,017 I love your music. 31 00:03:04,059 --> 00:03:05,852 I shook his hand, and I said, 32 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:07,854 I wonder if I could sit in with you on a couple songs. 33 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:09,356 I said I won't embarrass you. 34 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:11,399 And he thought for a minute and he said, 35 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:12,400 come on up! 36 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,279 Suddenly it was 30 people. 37 00:03:16,321 --> 00:03:17,364 Before I've played a note. 38 00:03:17,405 --> 00:03:18,948 You know, curiosity took. 39 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:20,992 Satan's gonna play with the white boy. 40 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:22,702 You could hear kind of murmurs. 41 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:23,870 And he started with that groove. 42 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:28,750 (heavy blues music) 43 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:32,504 * Well I want it * 44 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:35,882 * I want you! * 45 00:03:40,762 --> 00:03:43,640 * I wanna make you my woman! * 46 00:03:43,682 --> 00:03:45,517 * There's nothing you can do * 47 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:49,062 * Not a thing you can do * 48 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:51,314 * I get everything I want * 49 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:52,941 * Guess what, haha * 50 00:03:52,982 --> 00:03:54,025 * I want you * 51 00:03:55,944 --> 00:03:57,904 He just kind of threw me all over the place. 52 00:03:57,946 --> 00:04:00,907 I mean his groove was incredibly strong, I just held on. 53 00:04:00,949 --> 00:04:01,950 I held on for dear life. 54 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:07,872 (harmonica solo) 55 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:21,469 (cheers, applause) 56 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:22,595 The place exploded. 57 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,347 I mean it was an amazing feeling. 58 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:26,558 He just turned, he said, how about a hand for the young man, 59 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:27,600 and he didn't know my name. 60 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:28,768 And I said, Adam. 61 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:30,812 He goes, I am Satan. You know? 62 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,940 We played a few more and then it was like, 63 00:04:33,982 --> 00:04:35,442 can I come back tomorrow? 64 00:04:35,483 --> 00:04:37,944 And he said sure, yeah, come back. 65 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:40,363 Suddenly there was this place 66 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:41,823 that opened up in my imagination. 67 00:04:41,865 --> 00:04:43,783 I mean I lived on the Upper West Side, 68 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:45,744 I had a relationship that went down in flames, 69 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:47,370 and without really being clear 70 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:49,622 what I was gonna do with my life. 71 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:52,751 I mean Harlem suddenly was possibility. 72 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:56,713 And it was an embrace, rather than a, white boy go home. 73 00:04:56,755 --> 00:04:58,089 It's like a connection. 74 00:04:58,131 --> 00:04:59,549 You don't know what's going to happen. 75 00:05:05,597 --> 00:05:07,390 At the moment, New York City 76 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:10,101 has more racial tensions than any other American city. 77 00:05:10,143 --> 00:05:12,687 New York is a racially segregated city, 78 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:14,564 in desperate trouble. 79 00:05:14,606 --> 00:05:16,149 It is a city where you can be killed 80 00:05:16,191 --> 00:05:19,527 for taking a wrong turn because of racial violence. 81 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:21,988 What are they doing here at 10:00 at night? 82 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:23,698 We're going to end up reaping the whirlwind 83 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:25,075 of the widening gap 84 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:26,659 between the haves and the have nots. 85 00:05:26,701 --> 00:05:27,869 Personally I feel like... 86 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:31,122 A white guy in Harlem. 87 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:36,753 Harlem in the '80s was depressed economically, 88 00:05:36,795 --> 00:05:38,797 but collective culturally. 89 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:42,008 This was before gentrification. 90 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:43,885 Gentrification was like this theme. 91 00:05:43,927 --> 00:05:46,596 White people are coming to take over our space. 92 00:05:46,638 --> 00:05:48,014 They are pushing us out. 93 00:05:48,056 --> 00:05:51,434 We have a flammable atmosphere. 94 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:53,603 It's like gas in the kitchen. 95 00:05:53,645 --> 00:05:55,689 All you gotta do is strike a match. 96 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:57,190 Many in this city 97 00:05:57,232 --> 00:05:59,526 say the perception of racial crime has increased, 98 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:00,944 and so have tensions. 99 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:04,072 Mister Satan was trying to establish a foothold 100 00:06:04,114 --> 00:06:06,533 in Harlem on 125th Street saying, 101 00:06:06,574 --> 00:06:10,995 when I play here, it's a way of, it's a solace. 102 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:14,791 But one day, I actually saw a white guy. 103 00:06:14,833 --> 00:06:17,752 (funky blues music) 104 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:27,554 This person was the only white person there. 105 00:06:27,595 --> 00:06:29,014 (funky blues music) 106 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:34,686 This white man, what is he doing? 107 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:37,230 Is he helping him or is he stealing the music? 108 00:06:37,272 --> 00:06:39,107 This is the type of talk that we heard. 109 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:46,656 To see two people that came from 110 00:06:46,698 --> 00:06:50,577 two diametrically opposite existences 111 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:54,164 in the streets of Harlem, even if it violates 112 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:58,543 tribal code and takes a lot of self confidence, 113 00:06:58,585 --> 00:06:59,753 a lot of courage. 114 00:07:04,215 --> 00:07:07,969 Or a lot of ignorance to the environment you're in. 115 00:07:08,011 --> 00:07:10,472 (funky blues music) 116 00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:14,934 (applause) 117 00:07:14,976 --> 00:07:17,812 Thank you sir, thank y'all! 118 00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:19,105 (driving blues music) 119 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:28,948 [News Anchor] Finally tonight, 120 00:07:28,990 --> 00:07:31,117 a walk on the sidewalks of New York. 121 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:34,204 Remy Blumenfeld discovered some real stars of the street. 122 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:36,915 Each street musician has his turf 123 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:39,876 And in Harlem, the streets belong to Satan. 124 00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:41,753 [News Anchor] And this is Satan. 125 00:07:45,006 --> 00:07:47,300 We both found it intensely exciting 126 00:07:47,342 --> 00:07:49,302 to be making music on the street. 127 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:50,887 He had that before I came. 128 00:07:50,929 --> 00:07:52,681 That was his space. 129 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:53,973 But the two of us together 130 00:07:54,015 --> 00:07:56,017 got more people than he had by himself. 131 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:57,769 He recognized that. 132 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:58,687 That was huge. 133 00:08:02,691 --> 00:08:07,237 So, to have a job as I did as a tutor, 134 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:10,907 and to realize that the money that I could actually make 135 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:14,828 with this new guitar man that I was starting to play with, 136 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:16,329 was more than that. 137 00:08:16,371 --> 00:08:18,665 It was a very strange thing to quit the job, 138 00:08:18,707 --> 00:08:21,001 and I was still at that point 139 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:23,795 trying to figure out who this guy was. 140 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:27,298 Till somebody took me aside, and said, 141 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:28,758 you know who you're playing with? 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,094 You're playing with Sterling Magee. 143 00:08:31,136 --> 00:08:33,555 And said, you know, he was on Ray Charles's Tangerine label. 144 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:38,143 You know he played with Etta James, Marvin Gaye, 145 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:40,186 Little Anthony and the Imperials. 146 00:08:40,228 --> 00:08:42,230 He backed up James Brown at the Apollo, 147 00:08:42,272 --> 00:08:43,898 and they would point down the block at the Apollo Theater. 148 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,903 I remember one young guy coming up and saying, 149 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:51,031 you know he was in the studio with George Benson. 150 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:52,157 And he blew George Benson away. 151 00:08:54,743 --> 00:08:56,870 So I was trying to figure out who he was, 152 00:08:56,911 --> 00:08:58,621 and I'm getting these stories. 153 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:00,165 And the only thing I know for sure is that 154 00:09:00,206 --> 00:09:02,876 nobody ever, to his face, called him Sterling. 155 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:03,918 I didn't know why. 156 00:09:10,425 --> 00:09:12,135 This is the blues. 157 00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:15,722 Ain't nothin' bout, 158 00:09:15,764 --> 00:09:18,808 Hey, baby, why don't you treat me right? 159 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:20,268 If you act right, she would! 160 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:21,728 This is the blues. 161 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:24,022 (slow blues) 162 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:37,077 I met Sterling Magee in 1967. 163 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:39,913 I was hired by King Curtis as the bass player. 164 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:45,251 Sterling was a hell of a guitar player. 165 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,428 His rhythm was just off the hook. 166 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,430 [Sterling] Or if you wanna do it another way. 167 00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:59,391 (driving blues) 168 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:05,980 When I met him, again, in Harlem, on the street... 169 00:10:07,148 --> 00:10:08,900 Is this Sterling? 170 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,319 And I recognized his playing right away. 171 00:10:11,361 --> 00:10:14,072 (driving blues) 172 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,743 The sense was he was ahead of his time. 173 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:20,370 The clubs were closing down. 174 00:10:20,412 --> 00:10:22,247 There was no recording activity going on. 175 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:23,373 This is the late '80s. 176 00:10:23,415 --> 00:10:25,041 And it was hard getting work. 177 00:10:26,251 --> 00:10:27,419 He just took it to the street. 178 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:28,712 Where he can get paid 179 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:29,379 and make a living. 180 00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:38,722 Blue is one of the most beautiful colors in the world. 181 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:40,390 The sky is blue, you got a clear day, 182 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:42,475 people go out to the beach, the water's blue, 183 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:44,185 it's clear without pollution. 184 00:10:44,227 --> 00:10:45,854 And everybody's having fun. 185 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:47,814 How do you associate blue with such a sad 186 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:49,315 slumped down-anistic state of... 187 00:10:51,109 --> 00:10:52,152 Unhappiness? 188 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:53,153 That's not the blues. 189 00:10:53,194 --> 00:10:54,487 Those are the clouds. 190 00:10:54,529 --> 00:10:55,989 I remember him saying he was Satan. 191 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:57,824 Which was like, whoa. 192 00:11:06,041 --> 00:11:07,083 [News Anchor] You'll find him most days 193 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:09,794 on 7th Avenue in Harlem. 194 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:12,380 He calls himself Mister Satan. 195 00:11:12,422 --> 00:11:14,841 What makes me the prince of darkness 196 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:16,843 is I can go into the darkness of my mind 197 00:11:16,885 --> 00:11:18,136 and come out with beautiful things. 198 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:36,154 Hey, little mister. 199 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:37,155 Alright, hello, sir. 200 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,786 I'm Mister Satan, hello everybody viewing. 201 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:45,080 And this is my creation called Wisdom. 202 00:11:54,089 --> 00:11:56,049 [Adam] Most people who hear 203 00:11:56,091 --> 00:11:57,884 about a guy named Mister Satan, 204 00:11:57,926 --> 00:11:59,177 first thing is, what does he do, 205 00:11:59,219 --> 00:12:00,512 torture puppies, or something? 206 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:02,097 No. 207 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:03,807 It's more connected to anger at religion. 208 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:05,934 At organized religion and at ministers. 209 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,560 He knew the Bible inside out. 210 00:12:07,602 --> 00:12:10,271 But he still... 211 00:12:10,313 --> 00:12:12,941 He still like, he almost challenged God. 212 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:18,363 He said he couldn't die. 213 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:20,073 He said... 214 00:12:20,115 --> 00:12:21,241 He couldn't get hurt. 215 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:24,494 And to tell you the honest to goodness, 216 00:12:24,536 --> 00:12:26,162 I never seen him sick. 217 00:12:31,126 --> 00:12:33,420 I feel that he is from the same planet 218 00:12:33,461 --> 00:12:37,424 as Sun Ra, George Clinton, Cecil Taylor. 219 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:54,524 These people are coming from a very different place. 220 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:57,360 And I feel that's his tribe. 221 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,242 (relaxing music) 222 00:13:42,197 --> 00:13:45,450 The reason why he changed his name to Mister Satan, 223 00:13:45,492 --> 00:13:47,452 because he had a young lady, okay? 224 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:48,870 He loved the woman. 225 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:11,161 [Adam] We had a fight early on 226 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:13,329 that had to do with the money. 227 00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:15,165 It was because as a street musician, 228 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:17,625 you're each gonna split the money that comes in 50/50. 229 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:20,045 We split the bills, but there's all this change, 230 00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:21,588 and I sort of thought some of that should be mine 231 00:15:21,629 --> 00:15:25,091 and at one point he basically got angry. 232 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:27,135 Because what I didn't realize was, 233 00:15:27,177 --> 00:15:31,598 just how important it was to him, to have that money 234 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:34,684 to give to what he called the street people. 235 00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:36,603 The people who ain't got nobody else. 236 00:15:40,148 --> 00:15:41,274 And they loved him. 237 00:15:43,068 --> 00:15:47,447 We got a group of fools leading this country, in Congress. 238 00:15:47,489 --> 00:15:49,741 And anytime they talk about a damn budget 239 00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:52,202 and contribute to upholding your life, 240 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:54,746 money ain't nothing without people to spend it. 241 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:57,415 If you step outside of your home any day, 242 00:15:57,457 --> 00:15:59,125 you don't see people. 243 00:15:59,167 --> 00:16:01,461 You don't go looking for no money, and go looting no place, 244 00:16:01,503 --> 00:16:03,755 the first thing you're gonna find is somebody to talk to. 245 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:07,550 He would always say it wasn't just him. 246 00:16:07,592 --> 00:16:09,135 It's what we're doing. 247 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:11,429 And I thought, wow, that's kind of great. 248 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:15,433 I mean if our music can pay him, pay me, and help them, 249 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:16,351 what's not to like? 250 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,229 I realized very early, 251 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:20,605 this is the best gig I'm ever gonna have. 252 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:23,316 I was his boy, in a sense. 253 00:16:23,358 --> 00:16:25,527 I was the guy who was not his equal. 254 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:28,571 I was his apprentice. 255 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:35,453 So, I wanted to write something about what we were doing. 256 00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:38,581 And got Harper's to assign me an article. 257 00:16:38,623 --> 00:16:42,085 And I had this incredible guilt about having been paid money 258 00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:43,670 to tell our story. 259 00:16:43,712 --> 00:16:45,380 And I called him up. 260 00:16:45,422 --> 00:16:46,506 He said, how much they pay you? 261 00:16:46,548 --> 00:16:47,799 And I said, $3,000. 262 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:49,426 He goes, gimme half. 263 00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:50,427 And I split it with him. 264 00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:51,678 I gave him half the money. 265 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,848 My girlfriend at the time was like, you did? 266 00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:56,683 But that's all I needed to do. 267 00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:58,435 It was about us. 268 00:16:58,476 --> 00:16:59,519 I'd done the writing. 269 00:16:59,561 --> 00:17:00,520 We'd done the living. 270 00:17:06,818 --> 00:17:08,820 When I think about Mister Satan's energy, 271 00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:10,363 the analogy that comes to mind 272 00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:12,490 is a story that my mother used to tell 273 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,784 when we would go on summer vacation. 274 00:17:14,826 --> 00:17:17,454 She says, it was amazing to watch you go out there 275 00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:19,539 and stand in front of the ocean. 276 00:17:19,581 --> 00:17:21,207 It was like the first time you ever met something 277 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:23,543 that was more powerful than you thought you were. 278 00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:31,301 I was the kid who thought I could sort of master the ocean. 279 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:35,472 And so to play with him, was to be swamped, you know? 280 00:17:42,604 --> 00:17:44,814 I grew up in a small working class town 281 00:17:44,856 --> 00:17:46,274 about 20 miles north of New York. 282 00:17:47,817 --> 00:17:50,737 That's my mom in the '50s when she was working 283 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:52,906 as a researcher for Time magazine. 284 00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:55,575 Probably around the time my father met her. 285 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:58,536 My father was an artist, and an environmentalist. 286 00:17:58,578 --> 00:17:59,704 He was Jewish. 287 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:01,414 My mother was Dutch reformed. 288 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:06,920 Adam did not like to do anything badly, ever. 289 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:08,755 He was very smart. 290 00:18:08,797 --> 00:18:11,466 I'm sure it drove people crazy. 291 00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:15,470 He was certainly not one of those popular kids. 292 00:18:15,512 --> 00:18:18,765 I skipped a grade, and I was smaller than everybody else. 293 00:18:18,807 --> 00:18:21,601 And there were bigger kids picking on me. 294 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:23,853 I had my Prince Valiant haircut. 295 00:18:23,895 --> 00:18:26,606 Maybe I didn't have a date because I looked like a dork. 296 00:18:26,648 --> 00:18:28,650 You know, I don't know. 297 00:18:28,692 --> 00:18:31,528 But when the music came along, and I learned how to play, 298 00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,155 by God, within a month and a half I had my first girlfriend. 299 00:18:35,865 --> 00:18:38,576 [Joan] I don't think that Adam's had 300 00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:41,454 a really close relationship with his father. 301 00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:45,625 I think that what he had with Sterling 302 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,419 was a kind of bonding experience 303 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:50,547 that he had a hard time having with his father. 304 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:53,633 There's a deep connection there. 305 00:18:53,675 --> 00:18:57,554 His understandings about blues life helped shape my own 306 00:18:57,595 --> 00:18:59,973 and maybe got me a little bit out of the 307 00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:04,227 self indulgent narcissist rock dude white boy thing, 308 00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:07,397 which is just, there are hardships, and there are hardships. 309 00:19:07,439 --> 00:19:09,649 You know, nobody's shooting us stone dead. 310 00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:15,947 The summer of 1989. 311 00:19:15,989 --> 00:19:17,907 That was the summer of Do The Right Thing. 312 00:19:22,454 --> 00:19:25,665 When the movie came out, it just crystallized everything. 313 00:19:25,707 --> 00:19:27,334 And a lot of people said, yeah! 314 00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:28,752 This is what's really happening to us. 315 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:33,631 It became where you could no longer avoid it. 316 00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:36,676 It was in your face and all these emotions 317 00:19:36,718 --> 00:19:38,386 came to the surface. 318 00:19:38,428 --> 00:19:41,514 And people didn't want to feel like 319 00:19:41,556 --> 00:19:42,974 you gonna put this back in the box. 320 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:44,684 No, you gonna deal with this. 321 00:19:44,726 --> 00:19:46,644 You're not gonna pretend this is not happening. 322 00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:49,606 [Adam] With Do The Right Thing in the air, 323 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:53,276 suddenly I was the problem for some people. 324 00:19:53,318 --> 00:19:55,403 And I was in Harlem, and one day, a couple of guys came up 325 00:19:55,445 --> 00:19:57,030 as I was just about to set up with Mister Satan, 326 00:19:57,072 --> 00:19:58,573 and went to him and said, 327 00:19:58,615 --> 00:19:59,949 why is this white boy playing with you? 328 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:02,327 And it got very pointed and very racial. 329 00:20:02,369 --> 00:20:03,745 And he said, why are you here? 330 00:20:03,787 --> 00:20:05,705 What do you love black people? 331 00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:07,707 He said, you're not a harmonica player. 332 00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:09,042 He said you're just one more white man 333 00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:11,711 coming to rip off the black man's music. 334 00:20:11,753 --> 00:20:14,964 And he said, can't nobody say, 335 00:20:15,006 --> 00:20:18,301 whether there might be some hot tempered young guy 336 00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:19,636 who doesn't want to see you. 337 00:20:21,096 --> 00:20:23,765 What he was saying was, why can a white guy 338 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:27,977 just come into a black neighborhood and not risk anything? 339 00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:29,688 It was a threat. 340 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:31,648 Who was to say one of those guys might not just 341 00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:33,692 roll down a window, pow pow pow, gone! 342 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:37,445 So I had to go home. 343 00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:38,613 And I stayed away. 344 00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:40,323 And I had to decide. 345 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:41,741 So are you gonna play the blues for real or not? 346 00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:43,576 So what does it mean to be for real? 347 00:20:43,618 --> 00:20:45,328 Well one thing it means is that you play 348 00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:47,914 with full attention to the complexity 349 00:20:47,956 --> 00:20:50,542 of the social situation that you're actually in. 350 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,753 So I owe them some thanks for helping, 351 00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:55,714 as Sterling would say, bless me with revelation. 352 00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:00,427 Which is, you wanna play the music. 353 00:21:00,468 --> 00:21:01,886 Welcome to my world. 354 00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:04,597 It would have been easy 355 00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:06,391 to kind of let myself be chased away. 356 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:07,851 Then I thought, 357 00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:10,353 nobody's going to stop me from playing with him. 358 00:21:10,395 --> 00:21:12,564 We played, people were happy to see me. 359 00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:15,650 But it took me a long time to get over that. 360 00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:20,572 (train running) 361 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:28,705 We were just playing one day, you know, in our everyday spot 362 00:21:28,747 --> 00:21:30,040 doing our same old songs. 363 00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:32,042 And suddenly there was some commotion 364 00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:35,128 and I saw a couple of cameras pointed at us. 365 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,757 I was the director on the U2 film, Rattle and Hum, 366 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,842 the concert documentary film. 367 00:21:40,884 --> 00:21:45,472 And one day we ended up on 125th Street, in Harlem. 368 00:21:45,513 --> 00:21:47,349 * I want some freedom * 369 00:21:49,017 --> 00:21:50,727 * For my people * 370 00:21:50,769 --> 00:21:51,978 To Bono and myself. 371 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:53,938 Hearing this, freedom for my people, 372 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:57,484 coming, you know, wafting down the street. 373 00:21:57,525 --> 00:21:58,651 It drew us. 374 00:21:58,693 --> 00:21:59,652 It was like a magnet. 375 00:21:59,694 --> 00:22:00,820 It was totally unplanned. 376 00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:02,655 They said hey, let's just go out 377 00:22:02,697 --> 00:22:04,991 and check out what's going on in Harlem today. 378 00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,869 Going up to Harlem at that time was a thing. 379 00:22:07,911 --> 00:22:09,579 Some of the people working on the film 380 00:22:09,621 --> 00:22:11,998 were quite anxious and nervous about it. 381 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,751 It wasn't just some guy kinda, 382 00:22:14,793 --> 00:22:16,169 give me a buck, come on, I'm on the corner, 383 00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:18,755 I'm just, you know, riffing some cover tune. 384 00:22:18,797 --> 00:22:21,591 This was something interesting. 385 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,052 I was just really struck by the guitar player. 386 00:22:24,094 --> 00:22:26,721 There was a kind of freedom to the playing. 387 00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:28,640 He was jumping all over the fretboard, 388 00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:30,809 and simultaneously singing, 389 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:33,561 and working this hi hat that's playing the backbeats. 390 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,481 So I'm really rooted to the ground, 391 00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:39,651 just blown away by what I'm hearing and seeing. 392 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:41,945 They're sort of looking at us like, we're the real. 393 00:22:41,986 --> 00:22:44,447 Like, this is part of why they came to America 394 00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:46,157 is to see shit like this. 395 00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:47,575 Right? 396 00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:48,993 In that little moment, the theme, 397 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:52,163 freedom for my people, just seemed prescient. 398 00:22:52,205 --> 00:22:54,457 It just captured so much of our intention, 399 00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:56,126 as a band trying to explore America. 400 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:59,796 Trying to delve more deeply into the music culture. 401 00:22:59,838 --> 00:23:01,548 And it was clear from early on 402 00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:03,717 that that had to be in the film. 403 00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:05,885 What was then kind of interesting is that 404 00:23:05,927 --> 00:23:08,054 as they were doing the album, 405 00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:10,056 they felt like they went together. 406 00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:11,850 ("Freedom for my People" by Sterling Magee) 407 00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:18,064 When it finally came out, it was a big deal. 408 00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:21,568 Because our lives intersected their thing. 409 00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:23,194 They sampled us into their thing. 410 00:23:24,863 --> 00:23:26,823 Actually there's never been another artist 411 00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:28,825 singing one of their songs on a U2 album. 412 00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:30,869 This is the one and only time that that's happened. 413 00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,247 * Freedom from confusion * 414 00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:37,083 It was a very powerful little moment in the film, 415 00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:39,210 and it belonged on the record for that reason. 416 00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:43,214 We suddenly were recognized. 417 00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,133 And the crowds were clearly bigger for us, 418 00:23:45,175 --> 00:23:46,593 partly as a result of that. 419 00:23:47,802 --> 00:23:50,138 * Oh, for my people * 420 00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:53,933 Well people used to ask me, 421 00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:55,268 friends of the family would ask me 422 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:57,062 what Adam was doing now that he graduated, 423 00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,732 and I said, well he was actually playing harmonica 424 00:24:00,774 --> 00:24:01,858 on the streets of Harlem. 425 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,902 And they'd say, really? 426 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,528 How do you feel about that? 427 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:06,529 He went to Princeton, didn't he? 428 00:24:07,906 --> 00:24:09,783 I was a Princeton grad, 1979. 429 00:24:09,824 --> 00:24:11,534 So my 10th reunion came up. 430 00:24:11,576 --> 00:24:13,745 And everybody goes back, and they're in banking, 431 00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:15,205 and they're the vice president, 432 00:24:15,246 --> 00:24:16,956 or they were in graduate school, they've got their PhD, 433 00:24:16,998 --> 00:24:18,875 they're getting their first teaching job. 434 00:24:18,917 --> 00:24:21,586 And at that point I was a street musician. 435 00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:23,588 It's really hard to go back to a college reunion, 436 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:24,881 at a place like that, and everybody says, 437 00:24:24,923 --> 00:24:26,091 so what you doing? 438 00:24:27,717 --> 00:24:28,802 Oh, okay. 439 00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:30,845 Mister Satan, really? 440 00:24:30,887 --> 00:24:32,847 You know, like, there's one in every class. 441 00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:35,975 A combination of all these things 442 00:24:36,017 --> 00:24:38,186 began to really eat away at me. 443 00:24:38,228 --> 00:24:40,814 And I wanted some kind of objective measure. 444 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:42,982 I was feeling the fragility of everything. 445 00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:44,984 And so I wanted to make a recording. 446 00:24:45,026 --> 00:24:46,736 That if we were killed, both of us the next day, 447 00:24:46,778 --> 00:24:48,113 people would at least know, wow, 448 00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:50,240 these guys were here and that's what they did. 449 00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:51,783 And I actually went to Sterling. 450 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:55,036 If I paid, would you go into the studio with me? 451 00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:56,871 And he said, yeah, I'll do it. 452 00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,962 I think I'll take my gloves out, 453 00:25:04,004 --> 00:25:06,589 it's a little chilly out here, Mr. Gussow. 454 00:25:06,631 --> 00:25:08,133 [Adam] And so I found Rachel Faro. 455 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,010 Who we'd run across on the streets. 456 00:25:10,051 --> 00:25:11,678 Basically she was somebody who said, 457 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,804 if you ever want to record, here's my card. 458 00:25:12,846 --> 00:25:13,888 So I called her. 459 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:15,682 This makes it so much easier 460 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:18,768 when the speakers are already at the studio. 461 00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:21,855 Nothing to carry but a guitar. 462 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:24,065 That's right. 463 00:25:24,107 --> 00:25:25,859 This record particularly, 464 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,861 just had to set 'em up and let 'em go, 465 00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:29,654 and see where it went. 466 00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:31,031 Because there was no way to really predict 467 00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:33,074 what they were gonna do at all, 468 00:25:33,116 --> 00:25:34,868 especially what Sterling was gonna do. 469 00:25:37,912 --> 00:25:39,205 [Sterling] Roll it all! 470 00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:45,587 ("Ride the Wind" by Satan and Adam) 471 00:26:07,442 --> 00:26:10,111 [Adam] I just remember the feeling of power, 472 00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,696 that we both had. 473 00:26:11,738 --> 00:26:13,740 I mean we were so adrenalized. 474 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:16,368 And we drank so much vodka, I'll be honest. 475 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:17,952 We let the bats out of the belfry. 476 00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:24,209 ("Ride the Wind" by Satan and Adam) 477 00:26:28,046 --> 00:26:30,423 It really was gratifying 478 00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,093 to hear how good it all sounded. 479 00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:36,346 And certainly Adam was very excited because 480 00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:39,974 he got to hear everything he'd been playing all this time, 481 00:26:40,016 --> 00:26:42,686 in another way, like for real. 482 00:26:42,727 --> 00:26:46,898 ("Ride the Wind" by Satan and Adam) 483 00:26:49,818 --> 00:26:51,403 We sounded huge, two guys. 484 00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:55,115 And I just remember thinking, wow, we are doing it. 485 00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:58,326 ("Ride the Wind" by Satan and Adam) 486 00:26:58,368 --> 00:27:00,036 At the end of it I felt like 487 00:27:00,078 --> 00:27:01,871 that is just the greatest day of your life. 488 00:27:01,913 --> 00:27:04,833 You know we had our first cassette. 489 00:27:04,874 --> 00:27:06,126 Called it Satan and Adam. 490 00:27:06,167 --> 00:27:10,964 ("Ride the Wind" by Satan and Adam) 491 00:27:11,006 --> 00:27:12,465 The first day we actually had these things for sale 492 00:27:12,507 --> 00:27:14,300 we were playing a street fair, 493 00:27:14,342 --> 00:27:18,013 selling something like 60 cassettes during the set. 494 00:27:19,973 --> 00:27:22,142 So you go from completely uncommodified, 495 00:27:22,183 --> 00:27:24,102 to, we've got our first commodified version 496 00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:26,271 of Satan and Adam, and everybody can't get enough. 497 00:27:29,232 --> 00:27:30,817 Once we had the recording, 498 00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:32,444 I was able to give it to somebody 499 00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:34,154 who was programming Summer Stage, 500 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:36,031 and then we got the chance to open for Buddy Guy. 501 00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:40,076 ("I Want You" by Satan and Adam) 502 00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:43,329 3,000 people in Central Park, and it's like, Satan and Adam! 503 00:27:43,371 --> 00:27:45,790 And I'm thinking, fuck, we're really making it. 504 00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:50,211 ("I Want You" by Satan and Adam) 505 00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:54,132 Suddenly, we were a New York act. 506 00:27:54,174 --> 00:27:55,383 Not just a Harlem act. 507 00:28:01,139 --> 00:28:03,183 From the street, to the studio, 508 00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,810 to gigs with Buddy Guy, sure. 509 00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:07,937 But at the same time, for me it seemed natural, 510 00:28:07,979 --> 00:28:09,939 it seemed right. 511 00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:13,777 That fall, we got a gig from a woman who saw us. 512 00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:16,196 And she had a bar called Kelly's in the Village. 513 00:28:16,237 --> 00:28:18,531 And that was our steady gig. 514 00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,076 I was a single guy, and I'm playing 515 00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:22,452 in a lesbian bar in the Village. 516 00:28:22,494 --> 00:28:24,204 And I'm sitting, going, 517 00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:26,039 I'm surrounded by women, and I'm not gonna get a date. 518 00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:27,916 (laughs) 519 00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:31,127 And you know, and that's when Margo Lewis walks in, one day, 520 00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:33,505 and says, hey, I love what you guys do! 521 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,215 Come down and see me sometime. 522 00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:36,966 And it turns out she represents 523 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:39,427 Bo Diddley, Wilson Pickett, and the Village People. 524 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:44,891 Musically, visually, in every way, 525 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:48,978 it was just two different ends of the world. 526 00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:52,941 That they could come together as they did, through music, 527 00:28:52,982 --> 00:28:54,567 was a beautiful thing. 528 00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:57,404 It was beautiful, you know. 529 00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:02,992 Sterling was raw talent that deserved to be seen. 530 00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:05,286 I wanted to find the platform for that, for him, 531 00:29:05,328 --> 00:29:06,830 and put him on that platform. 532 00:29:09,082 --> 00:29:11,042 As Margo began to do her thing, 533 00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:13,211 Rachel went and had her conversations 534 00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:15,296 with Bruce Kaplan at Flying Fish. 535 00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:18,216 Flying Fish was a real label, with a real vision, 536 00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:21,261 and a real owner who cared about the records on his label. 537 00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:23,388 So, we got the record deal. 538 00:29:24,597 --> 00:29:27,892 It was so much what I wanted. 539 00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:29,269 It was a little scary for me. 540 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,938 I think it was very scary for Sterling. 541 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,273 Sterling had a lot of mistrust 542 00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:35,942 about the music industry in general. 543 00:29:35,984 --> 00:29:37,318 Which is not surprising for somebody 544 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,070 who has had that whole career and ends up 545 00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:40,280 choosing to play on the street. 546 00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:53,460 * You got a crazy, funny way of teasing me * 547 00:29:53,501 --> 00:29:56,880 * I can't complain because it's really pleasing me * 548 00:29:56,921 --> 00:30:00,133 * No matter how you're getting me near insanity * 549 00:30:00,175 --> 00:30:01,634 * You'll keep on * 550 00:30:01,676 --> 00:30:03,470 He talked a lot, for example, about how 551 00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:06,139 he'd had a hit on Ray Charles' Tangerine label. 552 00:30:06,181 --> 00:30:08,350 With Oh She Was Pretty, and man, he stifled that. 553 00:30:08,391 --> 00:30:11,978 He wasn't gonna let one of his label mates supersede him. 554 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:14,314 Remember Ike and Tina Turner? 555 00:30:14,356 --> 00:30:15,648 They didn't do any good 556 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,650 until they got out from under Ray Charles. 557 00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:21,154 Ain't nobody in Ray Charles's company gonna make anything. 558 00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:23,156 He prevents, I don't, you know, so... 559 00:30:25,617 --> 00:30:29,120 Just like so many black artists from that era, 560 00:30:29,162 --> 00:30:32,665 he saw his fair share of people not getting paid, 561 00:30:32,707 --> 00:30:34,459 not getting their due. 562 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:36,378 So, you know, I sensed that he had 563 00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:38,546 the same disillusionment with the music business 564 00:30:38,588 --> 00:30:40,465 that I think a lot of black artists have. 565 00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:43,426 The typical story, 566 00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:45,220 white promoter manages, 567 00:30:45,261 --> 00:30:49,349 and agencies screwed the black artists, 568 00:30:49,391 --> 00:30:51,017 by instead of giving them a check, 569 00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:53,436 giving them a car, or a diamond ring, 570 00:30:53,478 --> 00:30:55,021 or a bottle of booze. 571 00:30:56,731 --> 00:31:02,112 [Al] How artists was treated was only a reflection 572 00:31:02,153 --> 00:31:04,155 of how blacks were treated in society. 573 00:31:04,197 --> 00:31:05,323 The fact that you were talented. 574 00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:07,075 You could entertain us. 575 00:31:07,117 --> 00:31:08,952 But you can't be one of us. 576 00:31:10,412 --> 00:31:13,039 The very first time we played Chelsea Commons, 577 00:31:13,081 --> 00:31:15,041 and we counted out the dollars on top of the piano, 578 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,377 I think I counted them, and started to pay him, 579 00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:19,170 and he was like, no no no! 580 00:31:19,212 --> 00:31:20,380 He got ragingly angry. 581 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:22,257 I pay you, you don't pay me! 582 00:31:24,426 --> 00:31:27,554 He had gone to Adam and said, 583 00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,389 I don't want to do this any longer. 584 00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:31,391 I don't want to get involved in this business thing. 585 00:31:31,433 --> 00:31:34,477 A record deal will be the worst thing in the world. 586 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,064 He was afraid to leave the security of the street. 587 00:31:38,106 --> 00:31:41,526 To leave the security of Bobby Robinson, his mentor, 588 00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:44,738 and then come with these white people. 589 00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:47,073 But one of the people that I approached, 590 00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:50,577 once we had a record, was Quint Davis. 591 00:31:50,618 --> 00:31:53,705 Who runs the New Orleans Jazz Festival. 592 00:31:53,747 --> 00:31:55,498 And I get a call back from Quint and he goes, 593 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:57,208 I don't know where you got these guys, 594 00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:58,543 I'm gonna give you a date, 595 00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:00,253 but not only am I gonna give you a date, 596 00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,339 I'm gonna make these guys stars. 597 00:32:03,757 --> 00:32:05,759 I think he went along with this 598 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,636 because Satan saw that we delivered. 599 00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:13,016 It was a real generous thing of him to do for my sake too. 600 00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:16,186 I'm not saying he did unselfishly. 601 00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:18,355 But he could see that I really wanted it. 602 00:32:18,396 --> 00:32:21,066 So, I provided the jet fuel. 603 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:22,233 The jet was up. 604 00:32:22,275 --> 00:32:23,443 They had taken off. 605 00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,403 And they were happening. 606 00:32:25,445 --> 00:32:28,156 (harmonica music) 607 00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:34,788 [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 608 00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:37,791 please welcome Satan and Adam! 609 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:42,170 ("Seventh Avenue" by Satan and Adam) 610 00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:52,764 To play a featured role on this festival, 611 00:32:52,806 --> 00:32:55,558 there has to be a level of musicianship. 612 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,437 It can't just be cool, but not very good. 613 00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:05,151 ("Seventh Avenue" by Satan and Adam) 614 00:33:09,614 --> 00:33:11,658 When I saw the name Satan and Adam, my first thought was, 615 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:13,493 somebody's been too clever here. 616 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:17,414 If a casting director had been hired to create a sitcom 617 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:21,376 about two opposites together in a blues band, 618 00:33:21,418 --> 00:33:23,837 this'd be what they'd come up with. 619 00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:25,422 * So then she kissed me * 620 00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,840 * I'm here to tell you * 621 00:33:26,881 --> 00:33:29,175 * She hit me right * 622 00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:30,510 Satan himself, is you know, 623 00:33:30,552 --> 00:33:32,846 like a UFO landing at your festival. 624 00:33:32,887 --> 00:33:36,349 You know, he's like lightning getting out of the bottle. 625 00:33:36,391 --> 00:33:38,351 And with Adam on top, 626 00:33:38,393 --> 00:33:40,729 they filled the sonic space perfectly. 627 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,148 You know the beauty of Satan. 628 00:33:43,189 --> 00:33:46,860 He got more out of the performance than the audience did. 629 00:33:46,901 --> 00:33:50,196 And a true consummate artist does. 630 00:33:50,238 --> 00:33:53,491 * Ah ah ah ah, she got away * 631 00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,124 It was like being present 632 00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:02,334 at the discovery of something really special. 633 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:06,504 Yeah! 634 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:08,381 Yeah! 635 00:34:08,423 --> 00:34:09,883 Thank you! 636 00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:11,718 When you kill at this festival, 637 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,844 word goes out. 638 00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:14,554 I mean, word goes out. 639 00:34:19,726 --> 00:34:22,312 July of '91, our album had just come out. 640 00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:25,774 So Margo, she's putting the press thing out there. 641 00:34:25,815 --> 00:34:28,360 [Margo] I had no problem getting the bookings. 642 00:34:29,611 --> 00:34:31,654 Everybody got turned on by it. 643 00:34:31,696 --> 00:34:34,366 They saw what I saw. 644 00:34:34,407 --> 00:34:37,452 It's just from one end of the world to the other. 645 00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:41,206 Just coming together through music, you know? 646 00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:42,707 It was a great thing. 647 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:44,584 It's called co-acceleration. 648 00:34:44,626 --> 00:34:45,919 You know that's when the music swings. 649 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,338 Great big old word, that ain't worth a damn. 650 00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:50,298 [Margo] I told him I wanted to put him on a Bo Diddley tour, 651 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,300 and bring him to Europe, and have him open. 652 00:34:54,636 --> 00:34:55,762 [Adam] You can imagine, like, 653 00:34:55,804 --> 00:34:57,347 one day you're on the streets, 654 00:34:57,389 --> 00:34:58,932 the next day, you're in the bus with Bo. 655 00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:00,934 [Margo] Bo started on the street too. 656 00:35:00,975 --> 00:35:03,937 So he could relate greatly to what Satan was about. 657 00:35:03,978 --> 00:35:07,774 [Adam] So we began to have an international public. 658 00:35:07,816 --> 00:35:09,609 Well we flew everywhere. 659 00:35:09,651 --> 00:35:13,863 England, Scotland, Switzerland, Italy, Finland twice. 660 00:35:15,657 --> 00:35:19,327 But now, finally, he felt it was Satan and Adam. 661 00:35:19,369 --> 00:35:22,288 And he's not lost inside the King Curtis band. 662 00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:23,748 Or Etta James, or Marvin Gaye, 663 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:24,916 or Little Anthony and the Imperials. 664 00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:26,626 He's not just the guitar man. 665 00:35:26,668 --> 00:35:28,545 He's the act whose name is on the marquee. 666 00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,214 So he really felt like, you're getting what's due you, 667 00:35:31,256 --> 00:35:33,216 and I'm getting what's overdue me. 668 00:35:33,258 --> 00:35:34,718 And by the way, the one time we showed up at a gig 669 00:35:34,759 --> 00:35:36,469 on the marquee, it said Adam and Satan. 670 00:35:36,511 --> 00:35:37,846 He got pissed off. 671 00:35:37,887 --> 00:35:39,431 (laughs) 672 00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:41,975 He did not have an ego, but, that's wrong! 673 00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:44,686 And he was really upset, I go, somebody just messed up, ugh! 674 00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:46,938 Time to check in with Kimberly. Kim's got the blues tonight. 675 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,815 Satan and Adam. 676 00:35:48,857 --> 00:35:50,567 You are gonna be at the Classic Blues Festival 677 00:35:50,608 --> 00:35:53,486 this weekend, and joined by a lot of great musicians. 678 00:35:53,528 --> 00:35:55,655 Just as sure as you are beautiful. 679 00:35:55,697 --> 00:35:57,449 God, you can stay here forever. 680 00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:58,658 (laughs) 681 00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:59,993 It's a classic bromance. 682 00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:01,995 It's two guys, just having a great time. 683 00:36:02,037 --> 00:36:03,705 We're an odd-looking couple, so what? 684 00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:07,542 Now, we have a name, we have a manager, 685 00:36:07,584 --> 00:36:09,419 we have official gigs. 686 00:36:09,461 --> 00:36:11,880 And then your record starts to chart. 687 00:36:13,256 --> 00:36:14,758 There's no experience like this. 688 00:36:14,799 --> 00:36:16,343 As you're sitting listening to the radio, 689 00:36:16,384 --> 00:36:18,928 and suddenly, your music comes on the radio. 690 00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:20,889 The feeling is indescribable. 691 00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:21,848 It's like... 692 00:36:23,892 --> 00:36:26,019 [Noah] Out on the streets of New York City, 693 00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:27,896 and now on CD and tape, 694 00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:30,899 the music of Satan and Adam. 695 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,859 How serious are you about the name, Mister Satan? 696 00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:35,278 And I've read that you have the number 666, 697 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,571 [Satan] I do. 698 00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:37,697 [Noah] From the book of revelations. 699 00:36:37,739 --> 00:36:38,990 [Satan] I am very serious. 700 00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:40,742 [Noah] Around your instruments there. 701 00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:42,494 [Satan] I also have it around my neck and everything, 702 00:36:42,535 --> 00:36:44,496 but it's not in the numbers that you would read it. 703 00:36:44,537 --> 00:36:47,874 It's in a beautiful piece I made called asoxyses. 704 00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:52,295 It's a square of circled squared, and square circles. 705 00:36:52,337 --> 00:36:54,714 So it's nothing projecting something. 706 00:36:54,756 --> 00:36:56,383 [Adam] Sterling's amazing 707 00:36:56,424 --> 00:36:57,967 with being able to do this numerological stuff. 708 00:36:58,009 --> 00:36:59,969 It's quite remarkable. I never really understood it. 709 00:37:00,011 --> 00:37:01,721 But he's very convincing. 710 00:37:01,763 --> 00:37:03,890 [Noah] I'm trying to figure out how you feel about the devil. 711 00:37:03,932 --> 00:37:05,433 -Taking that name. -[Sterling] I didn't say 712 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:06,476 anything about no devil. 713 00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:07,644 I am Mister Satan. 714 00:37:07,686 --> 00:37:08,895 S-A-T-A-N. 715 00:37:08,937 --> 00:37:12,065 I felt, here is a imbalanced man. 716 00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:13,817 Extremely talented. 717 00:37:13,858 --> 00:37:15,819 And how the hell did this white kid 718 00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:17,862 get him up on that stage? 719 00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:33,086 Correct? 720 00:37:33,128 --> 00:37:35,630 The only constant thing was his performance. 721 00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:39,676 He was not constant in thought. 722 00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:43,638 If his mind was wandering into another place, 723 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640 and he woke up one morning, 724 00:37:45,682 --> 00:37:47,934 and he looked out the window and said, 725 00:37:47,976 --> 00:37:50,603 the world was gonna end, the world was gonna end. 726 00:37:50,645 --> 00:37:54,357 Jazz and opera and all this can't ignore blues. 727 00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:56,067 It covers the entirety. 728 00:37:59,487 --> 00:38:01,406 Creation digs the blues. 729 00:38:02,991 --> 00:38:06,077 It was difficult for Adam to keep a continuity. 730 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,704 And although Adam could, 731 00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:09,998 because he was like a split personality. 732 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,625 He was an intellect, he was a student. 733 00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,836 And then he was a musician. 734 00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:16,755 He wanted this to come off. 735 00:38:16,796 --> 00:38:18,882 Jazz says hey, 736 00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:20,383 It's a sunny day, and you can go out 737 00:38:20,425 --> 00:38:22,427 and go in any direction you want. 738 00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:23,720 This is your interpretation. 739 00:38:23,762 --> 00:38:24,763 I'm just saying blues goes in a straight line 740 00:38:24,804 --> 00:38:26,973 and jazz for me goes out. 741 00:38:27,015 --> 00:38:28,808 I just got through crowning the whole globe 742 00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:30,477 that we live under 743 00:38:30,518 --> 00:38:32,687 blue. 744 00:38:32,729 --> 00:38:36,524 Ain't nobody ever look up and say, oh, what a jazzy sky! 745 00:38:36,566 --> 00:38:38,526 They look up and say, 746 00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:40,528 oh, look at that beautiful blue sky up there. 747 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:44,449 I had a fear, that if I allowed myself 748 00:38:44,491 --> 00:38:46,534 to get closer and start to get into 749 00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,453 the philosophical aspects, 750 00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:51,081 that it would definitely be a negative to the business. 751 00:38:51,122 --> 00:38:53,875 And I didn't want to have a philosophical argument with him 752 00:38:53,917 --> 00:38:57,003 and not show up for a gig or something, you know? 753 00:38:57,045 --> 00:38:58,880 I definitely think Adam was willing to do 754 00:38:58,922 --> 00:39:00,840 what a lot of people do in these kind of 755 00:39:00,882 --> 00:39:03,677 co-dependent relationships, which is just, 756 00:39:03,718 --> 00:39:05,512 whatever comes up, deal with it, 757 00:39:05,553 --> 00:39:07,138 even if it's really complicated, 758 00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:10,141 and stuff that you wouldn't consider normal, is normal, 759 00:39:10,183 --> 00:39:11,893 when you're in that kind of thing. 760 00:39:11,935 --> 00:39:14,145 What does that have to do with blues versus jazz? 761 00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:16,856 But I missed the transition. 762 00:39:16,898 --> 00:39:19,442 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. 763 00:39:19,484 --> 00:39:22,612 From the very first meeting, I did know 764 00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:27,492 that I had a problem with Satan, and Miss Macie. 765 00:39:28,618 --> 00:39:30,704 Miss Macie! 766 00:39:30,745 --> 00:39:34,791 Reach in my jacket pocket there and get my pick. 767 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:37,168 It's tempting to think that he and I on the road 768 00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:39,713 were kind of a buddy movie. 769 00:39:39,754 --> 00:39:41,589 And it's Butch and Sundance, right? 770 00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:43,758 But every single gig that we played on the road, 771 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,678 his wife, Miss Macie was in the back seat. 772 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,929 She never drove. 773 00:39:47,971 --> 00:39:49,723 She never sat in the front seat. 774 00:39:49,764 --> 00:39:54,644 She was sometimes smelling smells that weren't there. 775 00:39:54,686 --> 00:39:57,105 She heard my car speakers say things to her 776 00:39:57,147 --> 00:39:59,566 that they weren't saying to her. 777 00:39:59,607 --> 00:40:02,777 She was counting the money that he gave to her. 778 00:40:02,819 --> 00:40:04,988 That's one way he kept her happy. 779 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:07,699 She occasionally got pissed off at me or at him, 780 00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:09,659 and would come right up front. 781 00:40:09,701 --> 00:40:12,704 And occasionally I would play my harmonica, and, 782 00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:13,955 go right back at her. 783 00:40:13,997 --> 00:40:15,957 And she'd shake her head 784 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:17,208 like she knew I was saying something to her with that music. 785 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:18,251 And I was. 786 00:40:18,293 --> 00:40:19,794 [Sterling] Well... 787 00:40:19,836 --> 00:40:20,837 Got cold. 788 00:40:20,879 --> 00:40:22,130 (laughing) 789 00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:23,923 Hey, Miss Macie. 790 00:40:23,965 --> 00:40:27,052 [Macie] Thank you Mister Satan. 791 00:40:27,093 --> 00:40:29,929 That's why you act the way you act, 'cause you're cheap. 792 00:40:29,971 --> 00:40:31,931 Oh whatever. 793 00:40:31,973 --> 00:40:33,808 (Macie laughing) 794 00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:35,810 [Adam] But he loved her. That's my baby. 795 00:40:35,852 --> 00:40:39,189 For Adam, not only was he the road manager, 796 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:41,941 but he was a shrink. 797 00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:45,570 In the sense that, he had to deal with Miss Macie 798 00:40:45,612 --> 00:40:48,156 in their personal arguments and/or not. 799 00:40:48,198 --> 00:40:50,158 Why don't you sit around there, and... 800 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,284 I don't feel like you should go there. 801 00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:53,119 She wants to be in the back. 802 00:40:53,161 --> 00:40:54,954 [Miss Macie] Now Mr. Gussow, you can take it to your room. 803 00:40:54,996 --> 00:40:56,623 Take it to your room, Gussow. 804 00:40:56,664 --> 00:40:57,999 No, you gonna tell me I shoulda went around there. 805 00:40:58,041 --> 00:40:59,751 [Adam] No, I won't! No, no, no, he said 806 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:02,128 maybe you might want to be in the film. 807 00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:04,923 No, I hate these movies, they're too cheap for me. 808 00:41:04,964 --> 00:41:06,841 I remember one time, Sterling and Miss Macie 809 00:41:06,883 --> 00:41:10,136 were fighting as we went up the Connecticut turnpike. 810 00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:11,971 She hit him on the back of the head while he's driving. 811 00:41:12,013 --> 00:41:13,973 That was the last straw for me. 812 00:41:14,015 --> 00:41:16,059 I said, Mister Satan, that's it. 813 00:41:16,101 --> 00:41:17,936 Pull to the side of the road. 814 00:41:19,729 --> 00:41:23,775 It's a very, very difficult job, to move an act. 815 00:41:23,817 --> 00:41:28,697 And I couldn't hang any longer, if you know what I'm saying. 816 00:41:28,738 --> 00:41:31,866 With love I had to walk away, because, 817 00:41:31,908 --> 00:41:34,160 I had to maintain, for myself, 818 00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:37,831 I had to evaluate what that project meant to me. 819 00:41:37,872 --> 00:41:39,290 And it was becoming a negative. 820 00:41:41,042 --> 00:41:44,337 Today happens to be, almost exactly, to the day, 821 00:41:44,379 --> 00:41:47,924 10 years from the day that we met on the streets in Harlem. 822 00:41:50,135 --> 00:41:51,636 [Sterling] Our 10 year anniversary! 823 00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:53,638 That's right, 10 years. 824 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,016 I developed an acid stomach at that point, 825 00:41:56,057 --> 00:41:57,767 from just knowing that I could not control anything. 826 00:41:57,809 --> 00:42:00,020 I just had a kind of surrender and submit. 827 00:42:00,061 --> 00:42:01,896 It's me and Miss Macie and Mister Satan. 828 00:42:03,064 --> 00:42:04,649 From start to finish. 829 00:42:04,691 --> 00:42:06,860 [Adam] And a lot of acting out. 830 00:42:06,901 --> 00:42:09,696 We'd moved from Margo, to a brief thing 831 00:42:09,738 --> 00:42:11,114 with another agent that didn't work out at all, 832 00:42:11,156 --> 00:42:12,741 to a guy named Hooter. 833 00:42:14,743 --> 00:42:16,202 But it wasn't building. 834 00:42:16,244 --> 00:42:19,122 The act was on a slight descending thing. 835 00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:24,794 They have a little bit of lead in there. 836 00:42:24,836 --> 00:42:26,921 [Adam] But that couple years, '96 to '98, 837 00:42:26,963 --> 00:42:28,798 he was no longer living in New York. 838 00:42:29,924 --> 00:42:31,760 They had a slumlord. 839 00:42:31,801 --> 00:42:33,094 And the apartment got in bad shape, 840 00:42:33,136 --> 00:42:34,804 and the landlord was doing nothing. 841 00:42:34,846 --> 00:42:36,639 And I think the landlord almost wanted them out, 842 00:42:36,681 --> 00:42:38,224 at a certain point. 843 00:42:38,266 --> 00:42:41,853 That was the beginning of the gentrification of Harlem. 844 00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:45,106 And people were pissed off about them being moved out. 845 00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:47,359 So Miss Macie's mother lived in Virginia. 846 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,361 And so when they decided they're gonna leave their apartment 847 00:42:49,402 --> 00:42:51,071 instead of just moving around the corner, 848 00:42:51,112 --> 00:42:52,864 or moving down the block, 849 00:42:52,906 --> 00:42:54,783 they moved a nine hour drive away. 850 00:42:56,284 --> 00:42:58,036 We continued to tour. 851 00:42:58,078 --> 00:42:59,996 He would drive up, sleep in his car with Miss Macie 852 00:43:00,038 --> 00:43:02,999 kind of on the same block where he used to live in Harlem. 853 00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:05,085 And then we would go off on the road, in my car. 854 00:43:05,126 --> 00:43:07,003 And go and play a gig or two on a weekend, 855 00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:09,339 and then he'd drive back down to Virginia. 856 00:43:09,381 --> 00:43:10,924 So there was a lot of stress on him. 857 00:43:10,965 --> 00:43:12,258 I never understood how he could do it. 858 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,928 How could you come home from a 300-mile drive 859 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:17,263 from Portland, Maine, and then sleep in your car that night 860 00:43:17,305 --> 00:43:18,765 when I get to go home? 861 00:43:18,807 --> 00:43:20,308 That's rough. 862 00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:22,977 Not being a pampered artist, 863 00:43:23,019 --> 00:43:24,938 or an artist with a travel budget, 864 00:43:24,979 --> 00:43:27,816 and at least a roadie helping move things, 865 00:43:27,857 --> 00:43:29,275 and tour managers. 866 00:43:29,317 --> 00:43:30,819 When you're doing that all yourself, 867 00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:32,404 after a while that has to grind on you. 868 00:43:33,863 --> 00:43:35,115 And this is what I hate. 869 00:43:37,075 --> 00:43:38,952 The playin' ain't no problem, 870 00:43:38,993 --> 00:43:40,245 it's the work that's the problem. 871 00:43:40,286 --> 00:43:41,287 It's not good food. 872 00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:42,831 It's coffee. 873 00:43:42,872 --> 00:43:44,207 And it's the long drives. 874 00:43:44,249 --> 00:43:46,167 Too much to drink and not nearly enough sleep. 875 00:43:48,044 --> 00:43:50,130 In early April of '98, I noticed, 876 00:43:50,171 --> 00:43:52,132 for a couple months before that, 877 00:43:52,173 --> 00:43:53,466 he just seemed kind of dispirited. 878 00:43:53,508 --> 00:43:56,469 I didn't know what was going on. 879 00:43:56,511 --> 00:43:59,472 He actually started, he was dying his beard black. 880 00:43:59,514 --> 00:44:01,057 At it had always been gray. 881 00:44:01,099 --> 00:44:02,851 And I thought, why is he dying his beard? 882 00:44:02,892 --> 00:44:05,770 This is a guy, he's totally about just being who he is. 883 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,106 Miss Macie. 884 00:44:09,774 --> 00:44:12,027 The last gig we played, 885 00:44:12,068 --> 00:44:13,737 we just started off and he missed some lyrics 886 00:44:13,778 --> 00:44:14,946 for the first song. 887 00:44:14,988 --> 00:44:16,322 And I said, this is strange. 888 00:44:16,364 --> 00:44:18,033 I mean he's never, he doesn't lose lyrics. 889 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,745 He's my hero, so I mean, 890 00:44:21,786 --> 00:44:23,121 he's my hero 'cause his energy's 891 00:44:23,163 --> 00:44:26,332 always been impossibly strong. 892 00:44:26,374 --> 00:44:28,001 And when it wasn't I naturally got worried. 893 00:44:29,169 --> 00:44:30,962 We had a gig on a Friday. 894 00:44:31,004 --> 00:44:33,840 And that Thursday Miss Macie called me up, and said, 895 00:44:33,882 --> 00:44:35,467 that they had gotten up to New York, 896 00:44:35,508 --> 00:44:40,513 and had just turned around and drove all the way back home. 897 00:44:40,555 --> 00:44:44,517 470 miles up, he got to his throne. 898 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,270 Something happened, and he drove all the way back. 899 00:45:11,419 --> 00:45:13,171 [Adam] I wasn't on e-mail contact with him, 900 00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:16,508 the phone number didn't work. 901 00:45:16,549 --> 00:45:18,760 Sterling had really just kind of fallen off the grid. 902 00:45:20,136 --> 00:45:23,223 And it was basically, he was gone. 903 00:45:23,264 --> 00:45:24,516 Boom. 904 00:45:24,557 --> 00:45:25,934 He was gone. 905 00:45:27,435 --> 00:45:31,022 I mean apart from the sadness and concern, 906 00:45:31,064 --> 00:45:33,233 I mean, huge concern. 907 00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:35,860 What are you going to do when somebody just disappears? 908 00:45:38,154 --> 00:45:40,990 (melancholy music) 909 00:47:58,128 --> 00:47:59,421 Come on. 910 00:49:14,704 --> 00:49:17,624 (melancholy music) 911 00:50:54,929 --> 00:50:57,807 (melancholy music) 912 00:51:17,243 --> 00:51:20,163 He's a blues musician, his instrument, the harmonica. 913 00:51:20,205 --> 00:51:21,706 He was educated at Princeton and Columbia, 914 00:51:21,748 --> 00:51:23,750 but he learned about music on the street. 915 00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,211 Adam Gussow describes his odyssey and growth 916 00:51:26,252 --> 00:51:28,296 in his new book, Mister Satan's Apprentice. 917 00:51:30,423 --> 00:51:32,759 [Adam] So I went off on the road, on a book tour. 918 00:51:32,801 --> 00:51:34,511 Mister Satan's Apprentice. 919 00:51:34,552 --> 00:51:36,680 The natural question is, so how's the act doing now? 920 00:51:36,721 --> 00:51:38,598 Where are you guys? 921 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,642 It's hard to answer that question. 922 00:51:40,684 --> 00:51:44,437 I had to basically, the kind word is finesse it. 923 00:51:44,479 --> 00:51:47,232 The truth is sort of lie. 924 00:51:47,273 --> 00:51:48,775 'Cause I didn't know what was going on. 925 00:51:50,735 --> 00:51:52,195 And I was losing a lot. 926 00:51:52,237 --> 00:51:55,365 My father had died in May of 1997. 927 00:51:55,407 --> 00:51:57,242 Sterling disappears a year later. 928 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:02,414 So I'm having my own struggle. 929 00:52:02,455 --> 00:52:04,541 It's missing him, it's being aware of things in my life 930 00:52:04,582 --> 00:52:06,793 that are not right, it's all that stuff together. 931 00:52:12,674 --> 00:52:15,468 So in the spring of 2000, 932 00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:18,471 my plan was to go and visit Sterling. 933 00:52:18,513 --> 00:52:19,764 And I had a heart attack. 934 00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:23,810 (melancholy music) 935 00:52:26,229 --> 00:52:27,605 I was in intermediate intensive care 936 00:52:27,647 --> 00:52:29,566 for three and a half days. 937 00:52:29,607 --> 00:52:31,484 And it was an incredible life shock. 938 00:52:33,028 --> 00:52:35,780 So I never got to see him that time. 939 00:52:35,822 --> 00:52:36,906 I never got to see him. 940 00:52:38,616 --> 00:52:40,618 Losing a father, losing Sterling. 941 00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:42,203 Talk about things falling apart. 942 00:52:44,289 --> 00:52:47,208 (melancholy music) 943 00:52:52,589 --> 00:52:55,633 First time that I met Sterling was when I was 944 00:52:55,675 --> 00:52:58,303 the brand new activity director at the nursing home. 945 00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:03,600 Of course I had to get to know everybody 946 00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:06,686 there in the facility and try and find out 947 00:53:06,728 --> 00:53:09,397 some of their likes and dislikes in the past, 948 00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:11,941 to give them a nice time while they're there. 949 00:53:11,983 --> 00:53:15,737 And why I started asking Sterling some of his past, 950 00:53:15,779 --> 00:53:17,739 and he wasn't really that forthcoming, 951 00:53:17,781 --> 00:53:18,948 he was kind of quiet. 952 00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:20,367 Kept to himself a lot. 953 00:53:22,952 --> 00:53:25,538 You would see him with his head down just a little bit. 954 00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:29,876 And he was always stomping his feet. 955 00:53:29,918 --> 00:53:32,379 And of course in health care, sometimes you think 956 00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:34,798 it's just some kind of a medical condition. 957 00:53:38,593 --> 00:53:40,970 When I was asking around and a couple of folks said, 958 00:53:41,012 --> 00:53:43,723 well, yeah, he was some type of a music man 959 00:53:43,765 --> 00:53:44,933 or something, at one time. 960 00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:48,561 There was just something about Sterling 961 00:53:48,603 --> 00:53:51,564 that I knew needed a second look. 962 00:53:51,606 --> 00:53:54,567 I was curious enough to go on the internet. 963 00:53:54,609 --> 00:53:56,778 And I was blown away. 964 00:54:00,907 --> 00:54:03,993 I got the call from Kevin. 965 00:54:04,035 --> 00:54:07,330 Sterling was at this Medicare facility in Florida. 966 00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:10,583 As I walked into this facility, 967 00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:12,460 I did not know what I was about to see. 968 00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:19,342 You know, I never associated Sterling 969 00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:21,011 with medical facilities. 970 00:54:21,052 --> 00:54:23,763 You know the strange thing is Sterling hated doctors. 971 00:54:26,433 --> 00:54:30,061 And I remember being led out onto the patio. 972 00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:36,943 Hey, Mr. Gussow. 973 00:54:38,653 --> 00:54:40,739 [Adam] It had been a couple years, I think. 974 00:54:51,833 --> 00:54:53,543 Yeah, let me get this. 975 00:55:00,675 --> 00:55:03,803 (guitar strumming) 976 00:55:03,845 --> 00:55:06,431 [Adam] He couldn't really play guitar at all. 977 00:55:06,473 --> 00:55:08,516 My thought was, god, he can't play a note. 978 00:55:08,558 --> 00:55:10,810 This is a man who could play circles around 979 00:55:10,852 --> 00:55:12,354 any guitarist in the world. 980 00:55:14,022 --> 00:55:16,399 I was shocked. 981 00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:19,486 Took a while for that to sink in. 982 00:55:21,404 --> 00:55:23,823 It's a struggle when you think of somebody as so powerful. 983 00:55:25,408 --> 00:55:27,952 And you're forced to recognize the fact 984 00:55:27,994 --> 00:55:30,038 that they're not what they were. 985 00:55:39,464 --> 00:55:40,548 And I had to recognize that. 986 00:55:42,926 --> 00:55:44,552 'Cause I thought of him as all-powerful. 987 00:55:50,725 --> 00:55:53,019 That's Mister Satan on the band, right here. 988 00:55:53,061 --> 00:55:56,106 We played y'all all that, you know that! 989 00:55:56,147 --> 00:55:57,148 How you feeling? 990 00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:58,692 You are beautiful! 991 00:55:59,776 --> 00:56:01,069 You are handsome! 992 00:56:02,237 --> 00:56:04,197 You're kind! 993 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,074 And most of all, 994 00:56:06,116 --> 00:56:07,826 y'all is applauding. 995 00:56:10,829 --> 00:56:13,540 (dramatic music) 996 00:56:55,957 --> 00:56:57,709 I'm about to move, 997 00:56:57,751 --> 00:57:00,086 after basically a lifetime in New York City. 998 00:57:00,128 --> 00:57:03,048 I've been hired as a tenure track 999 00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:06,259 assistant professor of English and Southern studies, 1000 00:57:06,301 --> 00:57:08,762 at the University of Mississippi, in Oxford. 1001 00:57:08,803 --> 00:57:11,723 And I'll be teaching courses in American Literature, 1002 00:57:11,765 --> 00:57:13,725 and African-American Literature. 1003 00:57:13,767 --> 00:57:15,018 I may do a course 1004 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,145 on the Civil Rights Movement in the Spring. 1005 00:57:17,187 --> 00:57:19,773 I'm about to move to Mister Satan's own native state. 1006 00:57:19,814 --> 00:57:21,941 And it's a very interesting, unexpected 1007 00:57:21,983 --> 00:57:24,736 kind of New York-Mississippi connection. 1008 00:57:24,778 --> 00:57:27,697 (blowing harmonica) 1009 00:57:29,866 --> 00:57:32,577 The digital delay that I used on the street all those years. 1010 00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:38,958 I thought about all the things that, you know, 1011 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,251 had taken place in this room. 1012 00:57:40,293 --> 00:57:42,212 I mean, Mister Satan and Miss Macie 1013 00:57:42,253 --> 00:57:43,922 were here at one point. 1014 00:57:43,963 --> 00:57:46,299 In fact we had a little vodka toast shortly after 1015 00:57:46,341 --> 00:57:47,884 our first recording session. 1016 00:57:51,846 --> 00:57:56,309 Well, it feels like I've done a lot of living here. 1017 00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:58,603 And it's time for the next chapter. 1018 00:58:03,942 --> 00:58:06,778 So anyway I did my mourning last night. 1019 00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:08,988 I've been letting go for a while. 1020 00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:10,907 And trying to get ready. 1021 00:58:13,785 --> 00:58:16,204 (dramatic music) 1022 00:58:30,885 --> 00:58:34,347 [Kevin] Music has always been a very big part of my life. 1023 00:58:34,389 --> 00:58:38,935 As I stepped into healthcare, and seen the responses 1024 00:58:38,977 --> 00:58:43,023 that you can get from people with music. 1025 00:58:43,064 --> 00:58:46,026 So my development with Sterling, 1026 00:58:46,067 --> 00:58:47,861 it went way beyond me 1027 00:58:47,902 --> 00:58:49,863 having him as just another resident. 1028 00:58:49,904 --> 00:58:50,905 [Sterling] Hey there! 1029 00:58:50,947 --> 00:58:51,948 [Kevin] Sterling Magee! 1030 00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:52,991 [Sterling] Good morning. 1031 00:58:53,033 --> 00:58:54,034 [Kevin] How are you doing? 1032 00:58:54,075 --> 00:58:55,035 [Sterling] A-okay, sir. 1033 00:58:55,076 --> 00:58:56,119 Alright. 1034 00:58:56,161 --> 00:58:57,370 There was just something 1035 00:58:57,412 --> 00:58:59,956 that emanated from him in some way. 1036 00:58:59,998 --> 00:59:03,043 You know and it was like some type of magnetism or whatever, 1037 00:59:03,084 --> 00:59:06,171 but there was just something about him that made me 1038 00:59:06,212 --> 00:59:07,881 take that extra step, 1039 00:59:07,922 --> 00:59:10,842 in getting him back on the right track again. 1040 00:59:12,135 --> 00:59:14,721 (uplifting music) 1041 00:59:19,184 --> 00:59:21,644 And here we are at the dentist's office. 1042 00:59:21,686 --> 00:59:24,064 And here's Sterling getting his new choppers. 1043 00:59:24,105 --> 00:59:25,899 Am I coming home, Mr. Kevin? 1044 00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:26,941 [Kevin] Yes, you're coming home. 1045 00:59:28,777 --> 00:59:30,278 (laughing) 1046 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,863 What do you think, Sterling? 1047 00:59:31,905 --> 00:59:32,906 I like it. 1048 00:59:32,947 --> 00:59:34,741 [Kevin] You like your smile? 1049 00:59:34,783 --> 00:59:36,785 Hell yes, I like it. 1050 00:59:36,826 --> 00:59:38,411 Okay. Behave yourself. 1051 00:59:38,453 --> 00:59:39,329 I shall. 1052 00:59:42,916 --> 00:59:44,417 [Man] Fantastic. 1053 00:59:44,459 --> 00:59:46,002 (laughing) 1054 00:59:46,044 --> 00:59:47,045 [Man] Congratulations. 1055 00:59:47,087 --> 00:59:48,046 Thank you, sir. 1056 00:59:50,924 --> 00:59:53,843 You remember going to this, playing here? 1057 00:59:53,885 --> 00:59:55,011 Folk festival. 1058 00:59:55,053 --> 00:59:57,180 The Winnipeg Folk Festival. 1059 00:59:57,222 --> 00:59:58,390 Yes sir. 1060 00:59:58,431 --> 01:00:00,141 There's your little bio. 1061 01:00:00,183 --> 01:00:01,935 Read it for me. 1062 01:00:01,976 --> 01:00:05,897 It says, this is a wild and very original new blues duo. 1063 01:00:05,939 --> 01:00:09,734 Satan, Harlem's legend Sterling Magee, 1064 01:00:09,776 --> 01:00:13,988 kicks, stomps and roars on an electric, and percussion. 1065 01:00:14,030 --> 01:00:17,367 While Adam Gussow blows up soul jazz harp, 1066 01:00:17,409 --> 01:00:22,163 earning them a W.C. Handy nomination for their debut, 1067 01:00:22,205 --> 01:00:25,834 and creating a sound that is not for the faint of heart. 1068 01:00:27,335 --> 01:00:30,255 (laughing) 1069 01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:31,423 That sound like you guys? 1070 01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:36,845 Ain't got him no more. 1071 01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:42,058 You know when you get into a nursing home, 1072 01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:43,852 you don't have too much left of your past. 1073 01:00:45,812 --> 01:00:49,149 He did have a guitar that was on his chair, in his room, 1074 01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:51,151 but he was using it more for a clothes rack 1075 01:00:51,192 --> 01:00:53,403 than anything else. 1076 01:00:53,445 --> 01:00:57,323 It hit me that even what I was doing at the time, 1077 01:00:57,365 --> 01:00:58,324 wasn't enough for him. 1078 01:01:00,410 --> 01:01:04,164 A lady who had her mom there at the same time, 1079 01:01:04,205 --> 01:01:05,498 she knew a blues guy 1080 01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:08,043 who was really super here in the area. 1081 01:01:08,084 --> 01:01:10,337 By the name of TC Carr. 1082 01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:12,255 She said, there's this man, this music man here, 1083 01:01:12,297 --> 01:01:14,049 he's full of music. 1084 01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:15,467 And he's a real nice black man, 1085 01:01:15,508 --> 01:01:16,509 you got to meet him sometime. 1086 01:01:16,551 --> 01:01:17,802 I said okay. 1087 01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:19,471 And the next time I came, 1088 01:01:19,512 --> 01:01:21,264 I brought a harmonica with me, 1089 01:01:21,306 --> 01:01:24,184 and I ran into Mr. Sterling. 1090 01:01:24,225 --> 01:01:27,270 And I just said, well I play harmonica, he says, you do? 1091 01:01:27,312 --> 01:01:29,147 Can you play it? 1092 01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:32,734 (playing blues harmonica) 1093 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:36,112 Yes, yes, yes! 1094 01:01:36,154 --> 01:01:37,280 And he just lit up. 1095 01:01:37,322 --> 01:01:38,239 His eyes just went... 1096 01:01:40,867 --> 01:01:44,454 And Kevin brought out a guitar, and he strummed, 1097 01:01:44,496 --> 01:01:48,291 and I played, and man, it was cool, because, 1098 01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:50,293 I could see it pouring out of him. 1099 01:01:50,335 --> 01:01:53,088 And I knew this was something that I was supposed to do. 1100 01:01:53,129 --> 01:01:54,964 (bright blues music) 1101 01:01:56,466 --> 01:01:58,802 TC recently had some heart surgery himself, 1102 01:01:58,843 --> 01:02:01,221 so he was recovering too. 1103 01:02:01,262 --> 01:02:02,889 He'd come over every once in a while, 1104 01:02:02,931 --> 01:02:05,058 and play with Sterling on the back porch. 1105 01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,435 Sterling wasn't doing any singing or anything like that, 1106 01:02:07,477 --> 01:02:10,814 but he was playing along with TC. 1107 01:02:10,855 --> 01:02:14,234 (bright blues music) 1108 01:02:14,275 --> 01:02:16,069 [Sterling] We sat back in the patio back there 1109 01:02:16,111 --> 01:02:17,404 once or twice a week. 1110 01:02:17,445 --> 01:02:19,322 And it's become a good thing. 1111 01:02:21,616 --> 01:02:23,034 It's like medicine for me. 1112 01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:28,415 Wow! 1113 01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:35,046 (uplifting music) 1114 01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:43,972 This is my wife Sherrie. 1115 01:02:44,014 --> 01:02:45,390 That's our wedding photo. 1116 01:02:45,432 --> 01:02:46,599 I mean it's a photo that we got, 1117 01:02:46,641 --> 01:02:48,309 that was at the wedding. 1118 01:02:48,351 --> 01:02:51,062 And everybody who came to the wedding signed it. 1119 01:02:51,104 --> 01:02:54,816 That's Shaun, at about a year and a half maybe. 1120 01:02:56,276 --> 01:02:58,528 That is Mila, so that's Sherrie's daughter. 1121 01:03:00,363 --> 01:03:01,823 That's the wall. 1122 01:03:04,325 --> 01:03:06,286 I thought I was gonna play more music down here. 1123 01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:11,374 The truth is, I've had a lot of other things on my mind. 1124 01:03:11,416 --> 01:03:14,502 I'm in a very different position in my own life, I think, 1125 01:03:14,544 --> 01:03:16,504 kind of been my own spiritual development. 1126 01:03:21,092 --> 01:03:24,095 Would I have ended up here if I hadn't met him? 1127 01:03:26,181 --> 01:03:28,641 To the extent that I'm an English professor, it was because 1128 01:03:28,683 --> 01:03:31,644 African-American literature was what I do. 1129 01:03:31,686 --> 01:03:33,313 And my interest in that was partly fueled 1130 01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:35,315 by my experience with him. 1131 01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:37,484 I wouldn't have had the qualifications to get this job 1132 01:03:37,525 --> 01:03:39,361 if I hadn't met him. 1133 01:03:39,402 --> 01:03:41,196 And had that whole life in Harlem. 1134 01:03:43,198 --> 01:03:45,158 When you've had a powerful experience like 1135 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,202 playing with him for 12 years, 1136 01:03:47,243 --> 01:03:50,413 what do you do with it for the rest of your life? 1137 01:03:50,455 --> 01:03:52,165 I got kind of spoiled, it's like, 1138 01:03:52,207 --> 01:03:55,210 why would you want to go on and find another group? 1139 01:03:55,251 --> 01:03:58,004 I think most of the music I had it in me to make, 1140 01:03:58,046 --> 01:04:00,048 I've already made. 1141 01:04:00,090 --> 01:04:02,133 I think you're allowed to let go. 1142 01:04:02,175 --> 01:04:03,343 When you've given the blues a good run, 1143 01:04:03,385 --> 01:04:04,386 you're allowed to let go. 1144 01:04:05,553 --> 01:04:08,306 (harmonica music) 1145 01:04:12,102 --> 01:04:14,020 [Kevin] With Sterling, TC would bring him out 1146 01:04:14,062 --> 01:04:18,441 to a little local place in town called the Peninsula Inn. 1147 01:04:18,483 --> 01:04:20,610 This old gentleman I knew from way back 1148 01:04:20,652 --> 01:04:22,445 was playing piano down here. 1149 01:04:22,487 --> 01:04:25,407 Introduced him to Sterling and we jammed out a little bit, 1150 01:04:27,117 --> 01:04:29,369 and he was real raw. 1151 01:04:29,411 --> 01:04:31,579 And then he just started to sing, 1152 01:04:31,621 --> 01:04:33,498 and then all them songs started to come out. 1153 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:34,708 Every day! 1154 01:04:34,749 --> 01:04:35,625 [TC] Every day! 1155 01:04:37,585 --> 01:04:41,214 Every day I have the blues. 1156 01:04:41,256 --> 01:04:44,592 (harmonica solo) 1157 01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:46,386 You know I had a lot of heart problems, 1158 01:04:46,428 --> 01:04:48,555 and I wasn't playing harmonic hard 1159 01:04:48,596 --> 01:04:50,473 because I was afraid it would kill me. 1160 01:04:52,267 --> 01:04:55,103 (slow blues music) 1161 01:04:58,273 --> 01:05:00,442 Sterling helped me in letting it loose, 1162 01:05:00,483 --> 01:05:02,152 and it's sort of an attitude, like, 1163 01:05:02,193 --> 01:05:04,070 I don't care if I die doing this. 1164 01:05:04,112 --> 01:05:05,280 I'm gonna die happy. 1165 01:05:06,531 --> 01:05:08,658 (slow blues music) 1166 01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:17,417 TC called me up, he says, 1167 01:05:17,459 --> 01:05:19,169 you've gotta come down here and see this. 1168 01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:23,340 And when I went down there, I didn't see the same guy 1169 01:05:23,381 --> 01:05:26,051 that I saw in the nursing home. 1170 01:05:26,092 --> 01:05:29,054 (cheering, applause) 1171 01:05:35,477 --> 01:05:38,021 Between myself and the town of Gulfport, 1172 01:05:38,063 --> 01:05:41,649 came together and we found the exact same 1173 01:05:41,691 --> 01:05:45,236 golden superstud guitar that he had played. 1174 01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:47,113 But we needed a drummer. 1175 01:05:47,155 --> 01:05:48,365 [Kevin] There's Dave. 1176 01:05:48,406 --> 01:05:49,616 Yes sir! 1177 01:05:49,657 --> 01:05:50,658 [Kevin] Say hey Dave, good morning. 1178 01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:52,369 Good morning! 1179 01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:54,788 [Kevin] Of course he was the heartbeat of the band. 1180 01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:57,290 I am Sterling's roadie. 1181 01:05:57,332 --> 01:05:59,668 Satan's roadie as they would say. 1182 01:05:59,709 --> 01:06:03,463 Then we sat him on that stool, picked up that guitar, 1183 01:06:03,505 --> 01:06:05,340 and put it around his neck. 1184 01:06:05,382 --> 01:06:08,385 He put them feet in them pedals, 1185 01:06:08,426 --> 01:06:10,553 and he was Mister Satan. 1186 01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:14,182 (laughing) 1187 01:06:14,224 --> 01:06:15,517 Thank y'all! 1188 01:06:15,558 --> 01:06:18,478 From then on, there was no stopping him. 1189 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,398 And there was no stopping this flow of what was happening. 1190 01:06:21,439 --> 01:06:24,484 People coming out of the woodwork to come and see him, 1191 01:06:24,526 --> 01:06:27,612 and to have heard his name before. 1192 01:06:27,654 --> 01:06:29,656 The players of the band that played with Sterling 1193 01:06:29,698 --> 01:06:32,450 three to four hours a night, every single week, 1194 01:06:32,492 --> 01:06:34,411 they'd come down, bring all of their own equipment 1195 01:06:34,452 --> 01:06:36,413 and everything, not one single time 1196 01:06:36,454 --> 01:06:38,331 did anybody ever ask for a dime. 1197 01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:40,083 And they did it for the privilege 1198 01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:42,335 of just playing with Sterling. 1199 01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:43,712 Playing with Mister Satan. 1200 01:06:45,088 --> 01:06:47,632 (uplifting music) 1201 01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,644 With Adam, the last time that he visited, 1202 01:06:59,686 --> 01:07:02,355 he resigned himself to the fact that 1203 01:07:02,397 --> 01:07:04,441 Satan and Adam is no more. 1204 01:07:04,482 --> 01:07:06,192 And I said, 1205 01:07:07,402 --> 01:07:08,695 far from it. 1206 01:07:15,452 --> 01:07:18,371 When I started to come down, 1207 01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:22,542 it was incredible, to see the rebirth of Sterling Magee. 1208 01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,670 One, two, one, five, something like that. 1209 01:07:25,712 --> 01:07:28,256 (blues music) 1210 01:07:30,759 --> 01:07:32,677 We often want people 1211 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:34,387 to play the role that we've assigned them, 1212 01:07:34,429 --> 01:07:36,681 in our own little ongoing drama. 1213 01:07:36,723 --> 01:07:39,309 You want him to be all powerful Mister Satan. 1214 01:07:39,351 --> 01:07:41,394 That's not where he is or who he is right now. 1215 01:07:42,937 --> 01:07:46,733 It was hard for me to let go of my memories. 1216 01:07:46,775 --> 01:07:49,277 (blues music) 1217 01:07:57,243 --> 01:07:58,870 And then I could look to Dave, 1218 01:07:58,912 --> 01:08:01,414 and Kevin, and how lovingly they 1219 01:08:01,456 --> 01:08:03,667 made Sterling just kind of part of the family. 1220 01:08:03,708 --> 01:08:05,335 Gave him human community. 1221 01:08:05,377 --> 01:08:07,337 Joked with him. 1222 01:08:07,379 --> 01:08:10,757 That was one more lesson that I had to learn. 1223 01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:13,343 And it was a lesson he taught along the way, 1224 01:08:13,385 --> 01:08:15,595 which is the lesson of surrender or acceptance. 1225 01:08:15,637 --> 01:08:18,473 And it was letting it be exactly what it was, 1226 01:08:18,515 --> 01:08:20,475 as opposed to dwelling in the space 1227 01:08:20,517 --> 01:08:23,311 between what you wanted it to be and what it is. 1228 01:08:24,896 --> 01:08:26,940 So I think for me, 1229 01:08:26,981 --> 01:08:28,900 learning how to let go, 1230 01:08:28,942 --> 01:08:31,319 and then you know, it was, what can we do with what we have? 1231 01:08:36,825 --> 01:08:39,327 (driving blues music) 1232 01:08:41,621 --> 01:08:44,874 Suddenly, our sound blossomed out of nowhere. 1233 01:08:52,882 --> 01:08:54,718 And it was just amazing to have that, 1234 01:08:54,759 --> 01:08:56,720 after really not imagining that we'd see it again. 1235 01:08:56,761 --> 01:08:59,222 And so we decided we'd keep going. 1236 01:08:59,264 --> 01:09:00,473 We'd go on these little tours. 1237 01:09:00,515 --> 01:09:02,726 Play a festival or two or three. 1238 01:09:02,767 --> 01:09:04,686 There was this kind of excitement that blues fans 1239 01:09:04,728 --> 01:09:06,479 who would say, Satan and Adam again, really? 1240 01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:08,773 People thought we disappeared. 1241 01:09:08,815 --> 01:09:10,483 Hey! 1242 01:09:10,525 --> 01:09:12,402 [Adam] We made this decision that we were gonna do 1243 01:09:12,444 --> 01:09:14,612 a Satan and Adam return album, 1244 01:09:14,654 --> 01:09:16,614 with me and Sterling, and Rachel. 1245 01:09:17,741 --> 01:09:20,994 (driving blues music) 1246 01:09:21,036 --> 01:09:22,579 It was great to be back with them. 1247 01:09:26,791 --> 01:09:29,336 These two guys are like a couple. 1248 01:09:29,377 --> 01:09:30,503 They belong together. 1249 01:09:30,545 --> 01:09:32,380 No matter what form it takes, 1250 01:09:32,422 --> 01:09:34,674 or how many years go by. 1251 01:09:34,716 --> 01:09:38,553 There's always that feeling that they are together. 1252 01:09:38,595 --> 01:09:40,555 Satan and Adam. 1253 01:09:40,597 --> 01:09:43,516 (cheering, applause) 1254 01:09:45,643 --> 01:09:46,770 Yeah! 1255 01:09:48,813 --> 01:09:50,774 Alright put your hands together. 1256 01:09:50,815 --> 01:09:51,733 (laughs) 1257 01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:55,570 Thank you! 1258 01:09:55,612 --> 01:09:58,573 Of course then, Sterling really had something to live for. 1259 01:10:00,742 --> 01:10:02,535 New York hat. 1260 01:10:02,577 --> 01:10:03,411 It's nice. 1261 01:10:05,663 --> 01:10:08,041 Shortly after, an agent called me up and he said, 1262 01:10:08,083 --> 01:10:09,668 I've got a really big one for you. 1263 01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:10,835 I've got a big get. 1264 01:10:12,462 --> 01:10:14,589 When Adam gave me the call, and said, 1265 01:10:14,631 --> 01:10:16,549 we had the opportunity to play 1266 01:10:16,591 --> 01:10:18,551 at the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. 1267 01:10:19,719 --> 01:10:21,429 And I said, really? 1268 01:10:24,015 --> 01:10:25,266 Alright. 1269 01:11:10,979 --> 01:11:13,940 [Adam] You know, America's a tortured place, racially, 1270 01:11:13,982 --> 01:11:18,111 and we all feel right now these particular evil days. 1271 01:11:18,153 --> 01:11:20,697 We can't know kind of where that's gonna lead. 1272 01:11:20,739 --> 01:11:23,450 Sterling and I, we were very conscious, both of us, 1273 01:11:23,491 --> 01:11:26,453 of the racial politics that were swirling around us. 1274 01:11:26,494 --> 01:11:28,872 [Announcer] Welcome back to the blues tent, y'all. 1275 01:11:28,913 --> 01:11:30,081 Are you having fun yet? 1276 01:11:30,123 --> 01:11:31,499 [Adam] So one of the lessons 1277 01:11:31,541 --> 01:11:33,043 I've learned from all of this, 1278 01:11:33,084 --> 01:11:35,462 is how important it was to have seen Sterling 1279 01:11:35,503 --> 01:11:37,756 that very first day in Harlem and have taken the risk 1280 01:11:37,797 --> 01:11:39,924 to be able to sort of push past my own fear. 1281 01:11:41,718 --> 01:11:44,721 And if I'd let racial fear keep me out of Harlem, 1282 01:11:44,763 --> 01:11:47,140 keep me from asking him if I could sit in, 1283 01:11:47,182 --> 01:11:49,601 you know, the story wouldn't have happened. 1284 01:11:51,478 --> 01:11:52,979 So that's, you know, the blues ethos. 1285 01:11:53,021 --> 01:11:55,899 You gotta keep walking forward. 1286 01:11:57,650 --> 01:11:58,818 [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 1287 01:11:58,860 --> 01:12:01,112 please welcome Satan and Adam! 1288 01:12:01,154 --> 01:12:03,823 (cheering) 1289 01:12:03,865 --> 01:12:06,534 (uplifting music) 1290 01:12:27,555 --> 01:12:29,724 (cheering) 1291 01:12:33,895 --> 01:12:36,398 You're beautiful and you're kind. 1292 01:12:38,566 --> 01:12:40,068 [Adam] There's nothing that could happen to him 1293 01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:43,154 that could negate the explosiveness of his gift, 1294 01:12:43,196 --> 01:12:46,116 and the way in which he completely gave it. 1295 01:12:46,157 --> 01:12:47,659 [Announcer] Satan and Adam, y'all. 1296 01:12:47,701 --> 01:12:49,994 (cheering) 1297 01:12:50,036 --> 01:12:51,579 [Adam] I mean, I really love the man. 1298 01:13:00,755 --> 01:13:02,716 (cheering) 1299 01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:18,606 (calming music) 1300 01:13:28,491 --> 01:13:29,701 Miss Macie! 1301 01:13:32,245 --> 01:13:34,122 (chuckles) 1302 01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:38,168 (calming music) 1303 01:14:08,823 --> 01:14:10,283 [Adam] Happy birthday! 1304 01:14:10,325 --> 01:14:11,785 [Crowd] Happy birthday! 1305 01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:13,661 We gotta do that, right? 1306 01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:17,707 [Adam] Make a wish and blow. 1307 01:14:19,042 --> 01:14:22,003 (cheering) 1308 01:14:22,045 --> 01:14:24,673 I wish to be 155. 1309 01:14:30,011 --> 01:14:31,805 The mother mojo! 1310 01:14:31,846 --> 01:14:35,975 ("Mother Mojo" by Satan and Adam) 1311 01:15:37,245 --> 01:15:40,874 ("Angel of Harlem" by U2) 98770

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