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I feel like people
have been pushed, tripped,

assaulted, bruising,

and it's scaring people away.

That's a problem.

I had a piece of fence post

thrown at my head.

You could've been killed.

I do think that I took
something home with me.

They're having nightmares.

They're literally taking home
this woman's grief with them.

She actually got her
hand cut off by a saber.

Are you kidding me?

He wants to take his anger
out on somebody

and you're the perfect target.

You're a good guy,
I don't want to see anything happen to you.

My God, there's just like...

seriously,
there's so much grief on this land.

It's really sad.

I keep hearing,
"murder, murder, murder."

My name is Cindy Kaza.

I'm a psychic medium.

Somebody is conjuring up
the spirits in this house,

I swear to God.

I ask questions of the dead...

These people are grave robbers.

...to find answers
for the living.

I'm a 100% sure that we're
dealing with something demonic.

I'm Steve DiSchiavi.

I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.

So, when he jumps you
like that, what happens?

It's my job to dig up history
on every house we investigate.

I wanna talk about
the blood bath.

And dig up secrets
that wanna stay hidden.

We've done everything
but burn the house down.

Together, we help
terrified families.

A man's voice
said, "I'm going to kill you."

Decide whether
it's safe to stay.

Let him sit there
and fight this thing.

Or pack a bag and get out.

His goal would be
to have you all die.

This place is creeping me out.

There're a lot of lost souls
on this property.

Okay.

There's a lot of death
on this property,

and there're a lot of secrets
on this property.

This is bad out here.

My God, there's just like...
seriously,

there's so much grief
on this land.

It's really sad.

It's intense.

I'm out here
in Franklin, Kentucky,

a small city about 30 minutes
out the Bowling Green.

I got a call from a guy
named Barry.

Now, he runs a museum

that he says I'm gonna
have to see to believe.

Barry says the place is haunted.

He's worried employees and
customers aren't safe here.

He says if we can't fix things,

he's gonna have to shut down this
important piece of American history.

So, Barry, I gotta say,
this is an impressive place.

I don't we've ever investigated
an eight-sided building before.

It's exciting, Steve, this is...

this is an, un...
unusual architectural wonder.

The building is called
the Octagon Hall Museum

and it's the only eight-sided
building in the state of Kentucky.

And, during the Civil War,

this house housed
confederate war soldiers.

Wow, okay.

So, you had mentioned
on the phone

that you're really concerned about
people that come here, their safety,

and that if somebody really got
hurt, you'd have to shut down.

That is a main... main concern.

This place means a lot
to the community.

So, Barry, let's get to the
basics, what's your job here?

My job here
is the museum director.

All right, so how long
you've been working here?

Thirteen years.

Okay, so you've been here
a while.

Why call us in now?

It's been getting worse
in the last year

and I think it may be
something to do

with, we lost the founder.

His name was Billy Byrd,
I have a picture of him.

How old was he?
- About 68-years-old.

Okay, so what did he die of?

Heart failure.

This guy could
pass for your brother.

Were you close with him?

Very close.

He was my best friend.

Well, I'm sorry for your loss.

Well, thank you,
I appreciate that.

All right, so Barry,
do me a favor,

give me a-a short list of what
people are experiencing here.

Steve, we see shadow figures.

Full body apparitions,

people that are being attacked,
scratched, and so forth.

So, have you tried anything to
get rid of the paranormal here?

No.

But, we will rent the house out

to experienced paranormal
teams for the evenings.

Now, have you had groups come
in that weren't respectful?

Sometimes, we've seen some
people do some pretty bad things,

like, ouija boards.

So, do you think these
paranormal groups that came in

stirred up the activity
to make it worse than it is?

It's possible.

That's very possible.

So Barry,
if Cindy turned around,

and said you can't have these
paranormal groups come in anymore,

what would you say to that?

I'd say that would be
really tough.

We gotta keep the lights on
in here.

We definitely need the income
from the paranormal teams.

I feel like people do
paranormal investigations in this place.

That **** needs to stop.

And I feel like
that makes the activity worse

and it's opening things up.

Anytime a renovation happens or
people start trying to change things,

all hell breaks loose, it's bad.

All right, Barry, so this is the
basement, why'd you bring me down here?

I've been scratched down here

and several people
that come in here

talking about, "I got scratched,

my gosh,
I got this scratch."

So, what happened
when you got scratched?

How did it come about?

You immediately feel
a burning sensation.

Okay, which is common.

And then it's three claw marks.

So, how deep was this scratch?

Deep enough to bring blood.
- Okay.

I mean, there's stuff
everywhere around this building.

Yeah.
- Is it possible some of these people

like yourself,
have been walking into and maybe

rubbed up against something,
scratched themselves?

You know, possible,

but most of the time
when we talk about it

and ask about it,
they're standing in an area open like this.

Okay.

So, what else can you tell me?

You know, I'll tell you,
that... I had...

a table thrown at me.

All right, so what kind of a
table are we talking about?

A large eight foot museum table.

It weighed about 300 pounds.

And the table just started
flying towards me.

All right, so when this thing moved on
you, did you get hit?

Nope, I dove all the way.

I gotta be honest with you,
you're either **** with me

or you could've been killed.
- Yeah.

It could've done some damage
to me, believe me.

This is bad,
this is bad out here,

because all of the tragedy
that's occurred here...

...there's a ton of
poltergeist activity.

I almost feel like somebody
has opened something to go in

and then they got locked in
and couldn't get out.

I feel like people have been
pushed, tripped,

assaulted, bruising,

and it's scaring people away.

That's a problem.

But, this area...

feels really, really,
really, really dangerous.

So, Barry,
let me ask you a question,

how far back does this property go?
This is huge.

About 300 acres, Steve.

It goes all the way back as
far as you can see back there.

It's a paranormal crazy house,

of activity out here.

All right, so give me example,
what's going on?

Steve, I was out there
by the woods

and I had a piece of fence post

thrown at my head.

Did you get hit?

It deflected off a branch
right by where I was at.

Okay, so you lucky?
- Very lucky.

So, what'd this piece
of fence look like?

Just happen to have it here
with me.

You do realize if you were to got
hit in the head with this piece,

right here, you might not be
standing here talking to me.

I do realize that

and that's why
I picked it up, Steve,

and brought it back
in the house.

I didn't want 'em to have
a second chance.

All right, so, what else?

Just, seeing full
body apparitions out here.

So, what kind of apparitions
are we talking about?

Soldiers, slaves,
sometimes ladies in long gowns.

People will come in
and they'll say,

"It's so cool that you have
reenactors here."

And I'm going,
"What do you mean reenactors?"

All right, anything else?

Over there by that chimney

is where I got tackled by
something I couldn't see.

All right,
so you didn't see anything?

Couldn't see a thing,
but I could hear it coming.

Barry, I gotta ask you, with all this
weird **** going on in this place,

why're you still here?

It's so important to me,
the history is so important to me,

it's a passion.

And you feel responsible for this place?
- I do.

That's why we're here.

There's a man
that's really active here.

He's out for revenge,
he's out for blood.

So, people have gotten hurt
working here,

especially men.

Men have
a really hard time here.

Any man that comes
on to this property,

he feels like he has to
assault or attack.

Chest pains, that's him.

I wouldn't wanna be the
caretaker of this property.

He's that powerful.

As you know, Barry called us in

'cause he's worried about the
safety of people coming in and out.

Do you agree that it's really
not too safe here?

Yes, I'm myself
uncomfortable here.

I no longer come here
in the dark

to work by myself.
- I can't say that I blame you,

'cause if half the stuff
that Barry told me is true,

you got a serious problem in this place.
- I'm afraid so.

So, obviously,
you've had some experiences.

Tell me about one of them.

I saw a full-bodied apparition
walking toward me.

Can you describe them at all?

Um, he was a...
probably 18 to 19-years-old.

Any time period
this kid was from?

I would say, late 1800s,
early 1900s.

Did he notice you?
- He did.

Looked square at me,
I kinda gasped,

and then he was just gone.

And what else?
- One time I felt

something smack me
in the back of the head.

All right, so how bad was it?

It was a good impact,

it was like as... it's just...
hard as you can smack somebody.

And after that,
my head was burning so bad

and I actually had a huge welt

that covered this whole side of my
head and it was there for several days.

Interesting, okay.

Anything else you could tell me?

I would say, one thing that makes
me the most fearful to be here,

I do think that I took
something home with me one time.

So, you started having
activity at your place? - Yes.

Like what?

It actually twice picked up
a 200 pound shelf,

brought it out of the corner,

over my couch and coffee table
and into the floor.

So, how'd you handle
the situation at home?

We had a-a group come in
and cleanse the house.

Um, and then we moved.

I gotta ask you,
why're you still working here?

I'm very drawn to this place.

I can't stay away, I can't.

I'm seeing a dead woman.

She's wearing, like a black... it's
like, a mourning gown.

I feel like I have to go upstairs
because the woman is up there.

She's so sad.

She can follow you out
of this location.

I feel like people have come
to visit and they've left

and they've gotten sick or bad things
have happened after they've left.

They're having nightmares,
they have anxiety.

They're literally taking home
this woman's grief with them.

So, Isaac, I understand that your
grandfather founded this place, correct?

Yes, he did, in 2000.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Barry mentioned that
the activity really picked up

in a violent way
since your grandfather passed.

Do you agree with that?
- I can see that.

Um, it's almost like that...
while my grandfather was here,

it's almost like he was sort
of keeping them in check.

What about experiences
that you can tell me about?

Well, there is one barn on
this property that we were in,

it's very similar to the one
we're in right now,

that, the big doors
actually opened up on their own.

And you guys saw this?
- Yes, with our own eyes.

We went in to investigate,

then we noticed that
all the stall doors

started opening on their own
all at one time.

I mean, it's pretty windy here.

That thing back there has been
moving ever since we started talking.

Yeah, it'll move back and forth,

but they're-they're
actually latched,

just like on the other barn
they're latched together.

So, they'll move back and forth,

but they can't completely open
like that barn. - Okay.

All right, anything else
you could tell me?

There's been many times
that I've been scratched.

Any one in particular
that stood out?

There was one time I was
upstairs doing some work

and I had,
felt a burning on my back

and we took my shirt off
to investigate

and there were three distinct
scratch marks going down the back.

You got a serious problem here.

It's a serious problem that we
really need to get addressed

for the history of the house
itself and the land itself.

But, as well as for the legacy
that my grandfather's leaving.

It's my responsibility
to keep it going.

That dead woman
is so present here.

I feel like
if you're standing outside,

you could see her
looking out the window.

People feel like they're
getting pushed down the stairs,

that's her.

She feels like, very much,
this is her house

and she wants people
to respect it.

She's trying to show people,
"This is still my place.

I still have power here."

Like, "You can't... you can't stop
me from doing what I wanna do."

These people are running up
and down the halls in here,

or disrespecting the house.

She'll grab the back of like...
like, somebody's shirt

and pull them back, or people will
feel like they're being pulled.

That's her. So, people
get grabbed here a lot.

I'm no architect.

But, I'm curious about what kind of a
guy would build an eight-sided house.

So, I'm headed back to Octagon
Hall to meet local a archivist.

He says the man
who built this house

suffered a lot of loss
on the property,

including his own life.

So, Billy, thanks for meeting with
me, I appreciate it.

Question for you,

the guy that built this eight-sided
house, who was he?

Well, his name was
Andrew Jackson Caldwell.

He was about a 100 miles
from here in 1880.

All right, so what's his story?
He married, single?

He married a lady named
Elizabeth Akers in 1844.

All right.
- They started a family pretty quick,

had three children.

And so, when does he wind up
buying this property?

Well, the records are unclear when he's...
when he actually bought the property.

But, we do know, in 1847,

he had the house built by the
enslaved people that he had here.

They actually made the bricks by hand here.
- Wow, okay.

Billy, on the phone
you mentioned

that he had a lot of tragedy
while he was living here.

Wh-What happened?

Well, Andrew's wife actually
died very young, 29-years-old.

In 1851.

I mean, do we know
what the hell she died from?

We have no record
of how she died.

It sounds like, when we spoke,

there's more tragedy though.

There is.
Just five months later,

um, AJ, which is his young
son, infant son,

um, he's just little over
a year old,

he, was playing
on the staircase,

and fell, broke his neck.
- Jeez.

All right, so this sounds like
a bad run for this guy.

Um, did he ever,
like, remarry or anything?

He does, he end up meet...
meeting a, lady.

Her name was Harriet Morton.

Okay.
- She was 28-years-old.

They end up marrying
in December of 1855.

Okay, now, do they have
any kids of their own?

They did, they have seven.

Seven?

From what I understand, Caldwell was
a pretty big confederate sympathizer?

How involved was he?

He was very involved.

He actually made
a makeshift hospital

down here in the basement,

and it's actually this room
where we're sitting in now.

He cared for wounded soldiers,

um, and he actually hid
soldiers here also,

when the...
when the Union came first.

So, what would he do
if one of these soldiers died?

He actually buried them
here on the grounds.

Interesting.

I keep seeing,
a teenage boy who was killed.

Like, he was, like, 19,
18 or 19,

somewhere within that range.

I feel like he died fighting
in battle.

He's part of the-the haunting
here in the sense

that he's super protective
of this building.

I feel like one of the things that
people feel when they're here sometimes

is chest pains.

It's like, a warning
sign for him, like,

"Stop messing with this house,
stop messing with this place."

You said Caldwell
hid confederate soldiers.

Did Union soldiers come
through here looking for 'em?

Yeah, when they came through,

they actually destroyed
this farm.

They slaughtered the livestock,
they poisoned the wells.

Harriet, Andrew's second wife,

got in a confrontation
with one of the soldiers

and, she actually got
her hand cut off by a saber.

Are you kidding me?
- No.

You can see in this
photograph, her left hand.

Is that wood?
- Yeah, thar's wood.

Now, you also told me that
he died kinda young, right?

He did. Um...
- Yeah, what happened?

He died at... age 47
from typhoid in 1966.

Was he buried here?

Yes, he was buried here
with his wife, Elizabeth.

His first wife?
- His first wife, yes.

All right, so now he's dead,
Harriet's still alive?

Yeah, she continues on
with the farm.

Okay, and they got all these kids, too?
- Yes.

She actually kept
this farm until 1916.

She kept it that long?
- Yes.

Did she ever remarry during that time?
- Never did remarry.

So, she's all alone doing this?
- Very much, yes.

All right, so she's up in years
when she sells this place.

What wind up happening with her?

Well, she end up passing away

in a small community
just north of here,

and she was 92-years-old.

I mean, this was a tough woman.

Harriet, I mean, she... what,
50 years on this property by herself?

One-handed, nine kids,
never remarried,

so, she did everything on her
own, she had a tough life.

I'm seeing that-that lady again.

I feel like she's mourning
the death of her husband,

so, she feels widowed.
- Okay.

I feel like she's from the 1800.

Man, I keep hearing "Elizabeth",

"Lizzy", something like that.

I feel like she-she
lived here, like,

people said she went crazy,
that she totally went insane,

that she lost her mind,
that pisses her off,

because, um, people are not
getting the story straight,

they're lying about
what happened with her family,

they're not telling
the truth about her husband.

Things got screwed up in history
books and she doesn't like that.

I'm gonna do automatic writing.

I feel like she lived to
be, like, in her eighties,

around that age,

but she, didn't know how she was
gonna survive after her husband died.

Now, Billy mentioned that
Octagon Hall is built by enslaved people.

So, I reached out
to a local cultural historian

to find out just how bad
their working conditions were.

So, Brigette, thanks for meeting
me, I appreciate that.

So, the people that were
enslaved by Caldwell,

they're buried here, right?
- Yes.

They're actually buried
right down this path

where you see the flowers
and the small stones.

There are
approximately 13 people

that we know of over there.

All right, so this guy
Andrew Caldwell

who owned this property
back then.

Do we know anything about how
he treated his enslaved?

Well, we do know that
the rape of enslaved women

is something that is very common.
- Right.

And here at Octagon Hall we have

the 1860 slave schedule.

And what you'll see there
is that

there are
three biracial children

under the age of 10.

So we could easily assume
that those children

would have been his children

by rape of an enslaved woman.

Okay.

Right, so now after
the emancipation,

what happened
with the enslaved here?

Did it get better for them?

Absolutely not.

Following the war,

that period of time
is really, really brutal.

There's a lot
of Klu Klux Klan terrorism.

Okay. Do we know of

any lynchings on this property?

No, we do not. That does not
mean it didn't happen.

A lot of these murders will go
unreported and unsolved.

They were screwed
from the get-go,

even once they were freed.
- Yeah.

So it took years and years
and years

before things got better
for them.

Add a few more years.
- Okay.

I definitely feel like
when I'm out here,

I'm tapping into enslaved people

having been on this land.

I can feel it in my entire body.

I feel like I'm a prisoner.

It's not good
what happened here.

It's a lot for me.
This is a lot.

It's emotional.
Like, it's bad.

There's something about, like,
some gravestones

that are out here somewhere.

I keep seeing somebody
hanging from a tree.

I'm pretty sure that
somebody was hanged

out here,
somewhere on this property.

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So far, I've got
a museum director

worried about the safety
of his employees and guests,

on a property
where enslaved people

and Confederate soldiers
are buried.

But I wanna see
if there's anything else.

Searching through old records,
I come across

a violent train robbery
that happened

just down the road
from Octagon Hall.

So a local professor who knows
all about this case

is meeting me here
at the library.

She tells me that robbery
led to a murder

and a possible
wrongful conviction.

Well, Paula, two things.

Thanks for getting here so fast,

and it's good to see you again.

Good to see you.
- All right, so this train robbery.

What happened?

The earlier morning hours

of November 8th, 1886,

about two or three o'clock
in the morning.

Okay.
- A gang of bandits

actually derailed
a passenger train.

The derailment
actually occurred about a mile

from your client's property.

All right, so this train
robbery had nobody murdered.

But somehow this thing

turned into a murder.
What happened?

A 28-year-old named Harvey King

who was part of the robbery,
he got his hands

on some whiskey,
got really drunk,

and started bragging
about the crime.

A couple of days after
he's bragging about the crime,

his body turns up.

Okay, so obviously it had to be

somebody that was
in the robbery.

It's said that
they had taken an oath

before the robbery

that if any one of them talked,

that the others would kill them.

They'd all sworn to that.

So who do they like
for Harvey's murder?

That would be Bill King

and Abe Owens.

So what do we know
about these guys?

Bill King was 31 years old.

He was a Union captain.

Okay.

And he had a reputation

of being, and I quote,

"a cruel, bloodthirsty demon"

during the Civil War.

Now, wait a second.

The victim's name is also King.

Were Bill and Harvey related?

Yes. Harvey King
was Bill King's brother.

So this guy was sick.
He was a sociopath.

Yes, apparently.

Abe Owens, on the other hand,

he's a young guy, he's 23.

Was also a Union soldier,

but there's nothing remarkable
that we know of

in his records.

So why did they like
Abe and Bill for this?

So, Bill's gun
was the murder weapon

used to kill Harvey,

and a witness saw Abe
burying the body.

All right,
so did they go to trial?

The trial actually took place
in January, 1867.

And they were both found
guilty of first-degree murder

for the death of, um,
Harvey King.

And they were
sentenced to death.

Were they executed?
- Yes.

So, in June of 1867,

Bill King and Abe Owens
are both hanged

along the L and N
railroad tracks

in front of about 6,000 people.

Okay, so they hung them
right by the tracks. - Yes.

And Paula, you mentioned
on the phone that

this might have been
a wrongful conviction.

Why'd you say that?

Well, one of the men
involved in the robbery

a guy named John Evans,

in 1873
he was lynched in Kansas.

Okay.
- And as he lay there dying,

he confessed that he had
killed a man in Kentucky

and that two other men had
been executed for the crime.

And it's not just a local legend

like it might sound.

There's actually a newspaper
article detailing it.

All right, so this guy
basically on his deathbed

confesses to, we think,
is that murder of

the brother.
- Yes.

So these two guys
might have been hanged

and didn't do it.

Maybe.

Wow.

That dead guy who wants revenge,

he's definitely out here.

He got accused of a crime
that he didn't commit.

He took the fall
for other people.

I just went to a court house,

and I was standing
in front of a judge.

And this was in the past.

I feel like he was accused
of robbery or stealing.

Feel like it's, like, 1862.

I'm trying with that.
Would have been the 1860s.

And he lost his life
because of the crime.

Was, like, imprisoned and died.

He got in big trouble,
and it wasn't him.

He's out for revenge.

He wants somebody else
to pay the price now,

and he's gonna get
what he wants.

I saw a lot of horrifying
things during my walk.

But the dead guy out for revenge

attacking a living person
has me very concerned.

It's outside of a barn.

This dead man, would make

the living guy feel like
he was having a heart attack.

So he's grabbing his chest
like this,

grabbing his chest.
- Okay.

I think he looks like he's in
a little bit more pain.

Okay.

Cindy, is this what you saw?

That's definitely what I saw.

Now that Cindy and I have
completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other

and our clients
for the first time.

So, Cindy,
I want you to meet Barry,

Yesenia and Isaac.

Now, they run this place.

And I don't know if you could
tell from your walk,

but it's a museum.

Now, here's the issue.

They're having crazy,
violent experiences.

But they're passionate about
keeping this museum open

and they're desperate
for you to show them

a way to do it
so everyone can be safe.

So now that Cindy knows
a little bit about you guys,

unless she has questions,
she'll tell us about her walk.

Well, one of the first places

that I got pulled to
was the basement.

When I was down there,
it became very clear to me

that there are
people coming here

doing paranormal investigations.

It's taking all the activity
that's already here

and making it, like,
a million times worse.

And I'm guessing that

when you guys
do renovations here,

it must really amp up
the activity.

Is that true? Yeah.
- Yes.

Definitely, it is.
- For sure.

So, Cindy, there's a couple
of things you should know.

This place is called
Octagon Hall.

It's a Civil War museum
with a ton of history.

But people only pay 5 bucks
to take a tour here.

It's $5 for a tour.
- Pretty cheap.

Right. It's not enough
to pay the bills.

So to keep the doors open here,

they allow
paranormal investigators

and ghost hunters to come in.

They rent the house
for the evening.

Then they investigate the home,

and then, leave.

To have all these people in here

doing paranormal investigations,

tapping into who knows what,

it's a big problem.

All right, so, what else?

When I was down
in the basement, I ran into

a dead teenage boy.

I think he was
around 18 or 19 years old.

And I was seeing
a gun around him.

So I think he died in battle.

I feel like he sees himself

as a guard of this place,

as a protector of the space.

So, the guy who originally
owned this place

was a Confederate
sympathizer named

Andrew Jackson Caldwell.

During the Civil War,
he did everything he could

to help the Confederates.

He even turned the basement
into a makeshift hospital

for the wounded soldiers.

In fact, there are at least
two Confederate soldiers

buried on the property.
- Wow.

Yesenia, would you mind
telling her

about that teenage boy you saw?

There was a man
walking toward me.

Looked like 17 to 19 years old.

I saw him coming at me,
and for a split second,

I thought it was a real person.

And I kinda... gasped.

So, Barry, you mentioned to me,

I think,
that you see soldiers, right?

Yeah, we see soldiers,

and other people
also see soldiers.

They'll communicate to me.
They'll say,

"It's so great that you have

re-enactors here
on the property."

And I go, "We don't have any
re-enactors on the property."

I mean, that would
freak me the hell out.

I mean...
- It does.

It does freak you...
It freaks all of us out.

Yeah.

One of the biggest issues

that I encountered
on the property

is the poltergeist activity.

I think it's happening
all over the property,

for sure,

but it's happening the most

outside of the barn.

I felt that people would
walk into the barn

and then all of a sudden,

the door would be
shut behind them.

Like, they couldn't get out.

One time in particular,
Barry and myself

noticed that
the main doors were open.

And as we walked in,

the stall doors
to the horse stall,

all of them started opening
all at one time.

Wow.

I feel like people have
been pushed, kicked,

assaulted and bruised from
this poltergeist activity.

And I feel like
it's scaring people

away from this location.

A lot of people run out
of here and never come back.

Barry, I want you to tell
Cindy about this table

in the photo, and what happened.

The table, one, lifted up.

It actually came towards me

and almost hit me.

Wow.

Now, you also had a piece
of fence thrown at you.

Yeah.
- And I actually...

I got it with me.

Wow.

I mean, that's serious.

Luckily it hit a branch
before it hit me.

So, what else did you encounter?

There are two dead people
who I feel

are particularly dangerous
on this property.

The first one is a woman
who is in mourning.

Sorry.

I'm trying to get this out,

but I can feel her coming in.

So here she is. Welcome.

So, I feel like she lives
on the property.

And I was picking up something
around the 1800s.

I feel like she was mourning
the loss of her husband.

She gets really angry

when she feels like people
aren't telling the truth about her life.

When people are getting
her story wrong.

And I felt that she was
really sick before she died.

I think she lived into her 80s.

You all right?
- Yeah. It was crazy, though.

It's like the second
I started talking about her,

I started to really get
a little bit dizzy.

I was like...
I could feel her.

And I don't know
about all of you,

but to me, the person
Cindy is describing

sounds a lot like
Harriet Morton.

Yeah. - That's exactly
what I was thinking.

Now let me back it up a bit.

Once this house was built,

Caldwell's time on the land

was short and tragic, basically.

Um, 1851,
his first wife Elizabeth died

at the age of 21.

I said that name, actually,
in the investigation.

I keep hearing Elizabeth,
Lizzie, something like that.

Well, there's definitely
an Elizabeth here.

Well, five months later,

Andrew's 1-year-old son
broke his neck

on the staircase and died.
- My God.

Now, Harriet Morton
comes into the picture

in 1855 when she becomes
Andrew's second wife.

Now, they had seven kids together.

So, during the war,
Andrew invited

Confederate soldiers
to hang out in the building.

But then the Union soldiers
came here looking for them.

Now, Harriet had
a lot of fight in her,

and got into it
with the Union soldiers.

They retaliated
by chopping her hand off.

My God.

Wow.
- Now, this is both Andrew

and Harriet in this photo.

You'll see right there.
- Wow.

The wooden hand.

And you wonder why
they look miserable, right?

Now, right after the war
in 1866,

Andrew died of typhoid,
and he was only, what, 47?

Forty-seven years old.
- He was young.

Now, picture this.
Harriet was left

to run the farm all by herself.

She's disabled.
One hand, right?

Yeah.
- She never remarried

and worked these fields
for 50 years.

In 1916,
she finally sold the place.

You said the woman you saw
was in her eighties.

Now, in 1920,

Harriet died at the age of 92
of pneumonia.

Cindy, do you think
Harriet's here?

I think both of the wives
are here.

Although Harriet's definitely
more of a problem.

Now, Cindy,
you said this woman Harriet is dangerous.

Why? What did she do?

She still very much feels like
this is her house.

And if she thinks somebody's
being disrespectful here,

she's gonna lash out.

She'll grab the back of, like,
somebody's shirt

and pull them back.

So people get grabbed here
a lot.

I was down in the basement,

and was giving a tour,
and just very clearly felt

as if someone just smacked
as hard as they could.

But there was no sound.
And it was just the back of my head.

Isaac, tell Cindy about
the time you got scratched.

I was actually on a ladder
changing a lightbulb.

And then next thing I know,

I feel burning sensation
on my back.

And we raise my shirt up,

and there's distinct scratch
marks going down my back.

Scary.

Harriet likes
to follow people home.

Yeah.

So when that happens,

people are having nightmares,
they're feeling anxious.

They wake up sad,

and they're feeling
this woman's misery.

So probably a good time

to tell her about
what happened to you.

A few years ago, had something
most certainly follow me home.

I never honestly really imagined

that it would be Harriet.

Although we have joked a lot
here that she doesn't like me.

So it makes me uncomfortable.

So, why do you think
she doesn't like you?

You know, there are
unsavory rumors about Harriet.

I have in tours
brought those rumors up.

So you've been spreading
rumors about Harriet?

Yes, essentially.

What were the rumors?

She had something to do with
the death of the child

of the first wife
that fell down the stairs.

And I have repeated
those rumors before.

My God, that's why
she's so pissed off.

That makes a lot more sense to
you, then, why she's so angry.

Completely. And why
she's following you home

and why she's aggressive

towards you in the house.

Interesting. Now, but you said
there were two people

you were worried about.
Who's the second one?

There's a man who was
very active on this property.

This guy is really angry
and he wants revenge.

He wants to exert dominance
over people, especially men.

I felt like he was
really focused on a male

who takes care of the place.

He's really dangerous,
he's really angry,

he's really violent,
and he's really targeting

you most of all.

Now, do me a favor
and tell her how you got,

you know, tackled.

I was outside with a group
of individuals.

That's where I heard footsteps
running towards me.

It actually threw me
back into the air

and just drove me
right into the ground.

The most dangerous thing
that I felt that he could do

was induce heart attacks.
- Jeez.

I felt it over and over again.

I felt pain in my chest.

And I think that
that's what people feel here.

So I had a sketch done
of what I saw.

Jeez.

Sometimes you get
that feeling in your chest

where it's just like,
"Gotta take a break."

Now, Cindy, the person who
founded the Octagon Hall Museum

was Isaac's grandfather,

and Barry's best friend,
Billy Byrd.

That's him right here.

He actually passed away
last year from

congestive heart failure.

So, Cindy, Barry here, sounds
like he's the target, right?

Yeah. And I'm worried
about your heart.

He's angry.

He's aggressive,
and he wants to take

his anger out on somebody,
and you're the perfect target.

To know that someone
or something

is actually trying to attack his
health, it definitely worries me.

I don't want to lose him
any time soon.

You're a good guy, and I don't
wanna see anything happen to you.

I'm sure Billy Byrd would be
very proud of all of you,

without a doubt.

Despite going through hell here,

you guys are hanging in,

determined to keep
his dream alive.

So now we're gonna answer
the big question.

Can you safely keep
this piece of history alive?

And if so, what's it gonna take?

For those answers,

I'm gonna turn over
to my partner, Cindy.

First off, we have to address

the poltergeist activity
that's happening here.

I know that
the paranormal investigations

are a huge part of your business.
That's how you keep things going.

And I don't want you
to have to lose

that part of your business.

So, what do you do?

I think vetting the people
that wanna come in here

to do investigations
is really, really important.

You need to make sure that they're
serious about what they're doing.

Yeah, I can agree with that.

I agree with that 100%,
Cindy, yeah.

Next, I think we understand
why Harriet is upset.

But if you wanna
keep her at bay,

I think you need to stop
spreading rumors.

I think she wants
people to tell the story

correctly.
- Right.

So, Yesenia, the rumor about

Harriet maybe being involved
in that kid's death,

you're gonna stop telling that?

Yes, absolutely.
- Okay.

So, Cindy, do you think that

once the bad rumors
about Harriet stops,

that she'll feel better about it

and stop being so violent?

I do. I do.
- Okay.

But the guy out for revenge

will be a little more difficult.

I don't know
if you can get rid of him.

I'm hoping that you can
bring in a medium

who can talk to him.

I think it has to be a man
who is gonna be firm with him.

Yeah.
- Having said that, Barry,

you have to be really careful.

If you start to feel chest pain

or shortness of breath,
you need to leave.

Okay.

Are you gonna listen to what
she's telling you to do?

I'm gonna listen.
We're not gonna close

and we're gonna do
what Cindy tells us to do.

Being able to carry on
your grandfather's legacy

has got to mean a lot to you,
I would think, for now.

Yes, it does. Means a ton
to carry on his legacy.

How do you think he would feel?

He would be
really proud of us for, um,

hanging in there

through everything
we've been through here.

You know,
it's so important to us

to continue what Billy started.

Yeah.
- This is our labor of love.

I really hope Barry and his team

follow my advice and stop
spreading rumors about Harriet

and begin vetting
any paranormal group

they let into their museum.

If they do that,
and contact a medium

to move the revenge guy on,

I'm confident
they'll be able to honor Billy

by preserving
this important piece

of American history.