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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,660 --> 00:00:07,385 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,410 --> 00:00:08,740 the people are represented 3 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:11,290 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:11,330 --> 00:00:13,080 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,040 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:18,290 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:20,920 - โ™ช Okay, stress me on checkers or chess โ™ช 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,170 โ™ช I don't play by the rules if you guessed it โ™ช 9 00:00:24,220 --> 00:00:26,680 โ™ช We about to run it up, run it up โ™ช 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,560 โ™ช We about to run it up, run it up, run โ™ช 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,100 โ™ช We about to run it up, run it up โ™ช 12 00:00:47,610 --> 00:00:49,490 - Hell of a way to start your day, huh? 13 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:51,700 - Yeah, I'm not sure it's actually started yet. 14 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:52,950 - Not a morning person? 15 00:00:52,990 --> 00:00:54,370 - Oh, I love a morning. 16 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:57,620 4:00 a.m.? Still last night. 17 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:58,630 What are we looking at? 18 00:00:58,670 --> 00:01:01,130 - Oh, DOA, took one in the chest. 19 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:02,880 No wallet, no phone. 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,106 Bodega owner down the street heard the shot around 2:00 a.m. 21 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:06,800 and called it in but didn't see anything. 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,260 - Okay. 23 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:09,640 Pricey clothes. 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,100 Bet he had an expensive watch too. 25 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:12,430 - Yeah. 26 00:01:12,470 --> 00:01:13,746 Could be looking at an old-fashioned robbery. 27 00:01:13,770 --> 00:01:15,230 - Maybe. - Detectives. 28 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:16,786 We found this in the bushes over there. 29 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:18,850 - Thank you. - Empty. 30 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:21,860 - So the killer took the cash, tossed the wallet. 31 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:23,360 - Evan Marks. 32 00:01:25,030 --> 00:01:27,700 - The tech guy. - CEO of VenZip? 33 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:30,780 - Damn, VenZip is how I pay for everything these days. 34 00:01:30,820 --> 00:01:32,450 You don't use it? - No, man. 35 00:01:32,490 --> 00:01:34,410 I'm not trusting my bank info to an app. 36 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:39,000 Okay, so the headquarters is across the street. 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,670 - He's at the office late. 38 00:01:41,710 --> 00:01:44,340 - The guy's a billionaire, bragging about the fact 39 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:47,170 that he's about to single- handedly make cash obsolete. 40 00:01:47,220 --> 00:01:48,736 - So what's a guy like that doing at an ATM 41 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,090 at 2:00 in the morning? 42 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,390 - Bank records confirm Evan Marks 43 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,586 made a withdrawal from the ATM just before the shooting. 44 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:44,610 Thanks. 45 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:47,440 2 grand, maximum amount allowed. 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,126 - That's a lot of money for that hour of night. 47 00:02:49,150 --> 00:02:50,570 - Mm. 48 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:52,280 We're agreeing to call it night now. 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,490 - Hey, does anyone know who James Sawyer is? 50 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:56,200 - Yeah, he's like a god in the tech world. 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,450 - Well, apparently, he is also a co-founder 52 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:59,960 of our vic's company. 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,370 - Evan Marks and James Sawyer are like the dream team 54 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:05,420 of Silicon Valley... or at least they were. 55 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:07,800 - Well, Sawyer just posted this on his social media. 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,420 "Evan Marks was one of the greatest minds 57 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:13,300 "of our generation. The NYPD should be ashamed. 58 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:15,300 "Violent street crime is out of control, 59 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:18,470 and Evan's blood is on their hands." 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,600 - So Marks's murder is somehow our fault now? 61 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:23,440 - Well, apparently, according to James Sawyer, it is. 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,310 - And that guy has got millions of followers 63 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,860 that worship him as a genius. 64 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:29,610 - And every one of them is reposting this nonsense. 65 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:31,610 Look, we gotta wrap this up. What do we got? 66 00:03:31,650 --> 00:03:33,570 - We tried pinging Marks's stolen phone, 67 00:03:33,610 --> 00:03:35,756 but we didn't get anything. Killer likely turned it off. 68 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:38,120 - Still canvassing for video, but so far, nothing. 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,870 - But he still slipped up. 70 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:41,306 Techs were able to lift a partial print 71 00:03:41,330 --> 00:03:43,920 from Marks's wallet, and I got a hit. 72 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,330 Blake Hughes, also known as G-Ticket. 73 00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:47,960 - G-Ticket? - He's a rapper. 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,010 And it actually looks like he's pretty popular on SoundCloud. 75 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:53,930 But what is of interest is his list of priors... 76 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:57,350 possession with intent to sell, aggravated assault, 77 00:03:57,390 --> 00:03:58,850 robbery in the first degree. 78 00:03:58,890 --> 00:04:00,680 - Go, go. 79 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:13,820 - That part was fire. 80 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:15,136 Yo, yo, yo. What's going on? Can I help you? 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,450 - Yeah, NYPD, my guy. 82 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:18,006 We need to talk to your friend right there. 83 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:22,540 - Come on. Let's go. - Oh, come on. 84 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:26,710 - Hey! - Yo! 85 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:38,800 Get off me! 86 00:04:38,850 --> 00:04:40,260 I ain't done nothing. - Yeah? 87 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:41,326 Well, we both know that's not true. 88 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:43,020 Just stop, all right? Stop. 89 00:04:43,060 --> 00:04:44,310 Stop. 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,666 Give me your arm. Give me your arm. 91 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:50,900 - Well, this looks like 2,000 bucks. 92 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:55,150 - Blake Hughes, you're under arrest. 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,030 - We know it was you. 94 00:04:57,070 --> 00:04:59,296 Your cell phone data puts you in the Meatpacking District 95 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,780 last night, right around the area 96 00:05:00,830 --> 00:05:01,950 Marks was murdered. 97 00:05:01,990 --> 00:05:03,476 - We got your fingerprints on his wallet. 98 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:04,596 We caught you with his phone and his watch. 99 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:06,410 - Nah, man, that ain't it. 100 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:10,130 Look, I was there, but... 101 00:05:10,170 --> 00:05:11,840 I knew the guy. We were friends. 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,510 - Oh, you and Evan Marks were friends. 103 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:14,840 I gotta hear this one. 104 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,590 - We met last year at Coachella. 105 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:17,930 He was a fan of my music. 106 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:19,510 - All right, so what were you doing 107 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:21,366 outside his place of business at 2:00 a.m. last night? 108 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:23,720 - He asked me to come meet him. 109 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:27,350 He... he would buy off of me sometimes. 110 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:29,100 Dude love to party. 111 00:05:29,150 --> 00:05:30,560 I mean, party. 112 00:05:30,610 --> 00:05:32,570 Like, he wanted ketamine, acid, shrooms. 113 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:34,570 - Okay, so you were there to sell him drugs. 114 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:36,046 - Just so we're clear, I'm out of that game. 115 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:37,950 Clearly. 116 00:05:37,990 --> 00:05:40,120 - I would make an exception for Evan. 117 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,200 That stuff you found, I mean, I only had it 118 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,410 because I wanted to stay on his good side, you know? 119 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:49,080 Look, I was hoping he'd give me money to... 120 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,420 to produce my album. 121 00:05:50,460 --> 00:05:52,500 - Okay, so just help me out. 122 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:54,090 What went wrong? Why did you shoot him? 123 00:05:54,130 --> 00:05:55,340 - I didn't. 124 00:05:55,380 --> 00:05:57,010 When I got there, he was already 125 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:58,510 arguing with some other guy. 126 00:05:58,550 --> 00:06:00,430 So I didn't wanna get involved. 127 00:06:00,470 --> 00:06:02,350 I hung back, stayed out of sight. 128 00:06:02,390 --> 00:06:03,760 They started yelling at each other. 129 00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:05,560 Next thing I knew, there was a gunshot, 130 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,230 and the other dude ran off. 131 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:10,230 - And how did you end up with Marks's money and his watch? 132 00:06:10,270 --> 00:06:13,440 - After the guy ran away, I went to go check on Evan, 133 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,230 see if he was okay. 134 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,490 But he was already dead. 135 00:06:18,530 --> 00:06:21,410 - So you're telling me you robbed your dead friend? 136 00:06:21,450 --> 00:06:24,450 - Look, I'm not proud of it, but studio time is expensive. 137 00:06:24,490 --> 00:06:26,290 - All right, in any event, 138 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:27,346 you didn't happen to get a good look 139 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:28,960 at this other guy, did you? 140 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,540 - No, but I did overhear some of their conversation. 141 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:34,340 Their argument, they were... 142 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:38,130 They were fighting over a woman. 143 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:39,420 - What makes you say that? 144 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:42,300 - The dude said, "You turned her against me," 145 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:43,800 or something like that. 146 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:48,020 And Marks was all, "She doesn't need you anymore." 147 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:56,480 - We found some pretty raunchy texts 148 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,570 between you and Evan Marks. 149 00:06:58,610 --> 00:07:01,030 What was the nature of your relationship with him? 150 00:07:01,070 --> 00:07:02,070 - Oh, God. 151 00:07:02,110 --> 00:07:04,240 I've known Evan forever. 152 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,040 We first met in Aspen, I think. 153 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,660 - Were you two romantically involved? 154 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,370 - You mean, were we sleeping together? 155 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:14,380 Yeah, sometimes. 156 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:17,300 But we weren't dating or anything. 157 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:20,720 It was just two friends exploring, 158 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,800 finding joy together. 159 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,116 - You know anybody who might have been jealous of this joy? 160 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:28,310 - Jealous of me and Evan sleeping together? 161 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:29,350 No. 162 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:30,770 - Hey, Lace. 163 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:32,116 I have to be at the gallery till 3:00, 164 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:34,350 so I picked us up some lunch. 165 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,110 - Afternoon. 166 00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:37,440 - What's going on? 167 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,400 - Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 168 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,450 And you are? 169 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:44,030 - Craig Walsh. 170 00:07:44,070 --> 00:07:45,030 Is this about Evan? 171 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:47,080 - It is. 172 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,200 How well do you know him? 173 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,660 - Mm, well. 174 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:50,910 He officiated our wedding. 175 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:55,880 - You guys are married? - Yeah. 176 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,880 - Mr. Walsh, where were you last night around 2:00 a.m.? 177 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:04,470 I want a lawyer. 178 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:08,600 - Magic word, okay. Call him to the precinct. 179 00:08:16,165 --> 00:08:17,766 - Spoke to your doorman. 180 00:08:17,791 --> 00:08:19,310 According to him, you and your wife 181 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:21,730 didn't get home last night until after 4:00 a.m. 182 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:24,110 - Which does not look good since Marks 183 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:25,400 was killed around 2:00. 184 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,280 - I would never kill Evan. 185 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,780 I loved the guy. 186 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:29,820 - Bet you didn't love him 187 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:31,046 sleeping with your wife, though, huh? 188 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:34,660 - Lacy and I have an open marriage. 189 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:36,370 - Okay. 190 00:08:36,410 --> 00:08:39,200 Then where were you last night? 191 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:41,170 - It'll be fine. Just tell them. 192 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:46,710 - I was at the VenZip offices. So was Lacy. 193 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:48,510 - So you were with him Evan Marks. 194 00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:50,300 - And a lot of other people. 195 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:51,510 There was a party. 196 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:53,590 - Oh, yeah? What kind of party was that? 197 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,480 - There's an underground scene for people 198 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,270 of a certain caliber. 199 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:03,810 It's called the Lifestyle. 200 00:09:03,850 --> 00:09:06,650 - Lifestyle? - I did not name it. 201 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:09,150 Evan was super into the whole thing. 202 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:12,200 It was his idea to throw one of the parties at his office. 203 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,596 - You know, you really didn't need a lawyer to tell us this. 204 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:18,830 - We're talking about an invite-only situation here. 205 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:21,460 And people that attend these things are big time. 206 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:23,960 Guests have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. 207 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,686 I wanted to make sure I wouldn't get in trouble. 208 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:27,686 - And what kind of things are going on at this party 209 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:29,130 that people have to sign an NDA? 210 00:09:29,170 --> 00:09:30,510 - Nothing bad. 211 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:33,680 It's just a way to create safe space for powerful 212 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,350 and, you know, famous people to relax, 213 00:09:36,390 --> 00:09:40,520 expanding the mind to break old paradigms. 214 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,190 - And by expanding the mind, you mean... 215 00:09:43,230 --> 00:09:45,270 taking ketamine, mushrooms? 216 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,770 We're Homicide detectives, okay? 217 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:50,296 We're not here to bust you for recreational drug use. 218 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,070 - Yeah. 219 00:09:52,110 --> 00:09:54,410 Everyone parties. 220 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:56,570 And at some point, Evan got worried 221 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:59,030 supplies were running low, so he left for a re-up. 222 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,540 But he never came back. 223 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:03,540 Then someone looked down and saw 224 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:05,580 the police cars on the street. 225 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:10,550 Everyone freaked out. 226 00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:13,670 So we left out the back exit of the building. 227 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,300 - Well, the point is, my client and his wife 228 00:10:16,340 --> 00:10:18,550 were in the VenZip offices on the 27th floor 229 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,100 when Evan Marks was shot. 230 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:23,560 - No, the point is, Counselor, your client has to prove it. 231 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:41,400 - The planet is gonna run out of water, like, soon. 232 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:45,830 That's something everyone needs to survive. 233 00:10:45,870 --> 00:10:50,670 - Whoever figures that out is gonna make a lot of money. 234 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:54,760 - And change the world. - And change the world. 235 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,606 - That's the video Craig Walsh shot at the party. 236 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:57,760 - People are higher than 237 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,946 the Chrysler Building in that thing. 238 00:10:58,970 --> 00:11:00,760 - Maybe so, but the time stamp proves 239 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,890 that they were at the party when Marks was shot. 240 00:11:02,930 --> 00:11:07,270 - So if Marks was killed over a woman, it wasn't Lacy Stevens. 241 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:09,100 - Doesn't look like it. 242 00:11:09,150 --> 00:11:12,190 - Yeah, but those Lifestyle parties are basically just 243 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:14,230 orgies for tech nerds, right? 244 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,546 Odds are Lacy wasn't the only one 245 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:17,200 he was romantically involved with. 246 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,660 Hey. 247 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:20,820 I scrubbed through Marks's phone and email 248 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:23,080 like you asked, looking for other possible girlfriends, 249 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,950 and I might have something. 250 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,540 I found several references to a woman named Eva, 251 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:29,540 messages that he sent to friends saying 252 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:31,250 he couldn't wait to introduce them to her. 253 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:33,210 - You get a last name? - Negative. 254 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:35,970 And I also couldn't find any Eva in his contact lists. 255 00:11:36,010 --> 00:11:37,986 - What's the over/under this Eva also has a husband? 256 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:39,810 - You know, Craig Walsh did eventually give up 257 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,300 the contact info for the woman who runs the invite list 258 00:11:42,350 --> 00:11:43,446 for those Lifestyle parties. 259 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:45,020 - Let's go talk to her. 260 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:48,520 If she made up the guest list, maybe she knows who Eva is. 261 00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:53,190 - Never heard of her. 262 00:11:53,230 --> 00:11:55,256 - But you're the one who puts these parties together, right? 263 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,110 - I'm not a party promoter. 264 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:59,490 I'm a psychedelic doula. 265 00:11:59,530 --> 00:12:01,160 - And that entails what, exactly? 266 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,910 - I curate bespoke experiences for high-end clients 267 00:12:04,950 --> 00:12:07,620 interested in exploring the psychological 268 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:10,540 and intellectual benefits of psychotropic substances. 269 00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:12,130 - You do realize that those substances 270 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:13,460 are against the law? 271 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,500 - I neither provide nor partake myself. 272 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:18,090 Everything I do is perfectly legal. 273 00:12:18,130 --> 00:12:21,510 Clients come to me, and I coordinate groups whose auras 274 00:12:21,550 --> 00:12:24,350 are a good match and make arrangements for them 275 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:26,810 to exchange energies and ideas. 276 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:30,770 - This aura matching, it never involved a woman named Eva? 277 00:12:30,810 --> 00:12:32,100 - No. 278 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:33,496 - What about any men that might have had an issue 279 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,690 with Marks's relationships with other women? 280 00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:37,690 - Evan did mention that earlier that day 281 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:40,240 he'd gotten into a big fight with James, 282 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,410 his business partner. 283 00:12:41,450 --> 00:12:43,030 - You mean James Sawyer? - Yeah. 284 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:45,160 Evan said the fight was intense. 285 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,080 Apparently, James was so upset he punched a hole in the wall. 286 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,080 - Did Evan ever tell you what the fight was about? 287 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,540 - No, but I do know that James does not 288 00:12:52,580 --> 00:12:54,710 approve of the Lifestyle. 289 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:56,920 He's very uptight... 290 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,630 much more the type to be territorial over a woman. 291 00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:06,140 - I'm sorry, Mr. Sawyer, but your plane's been grounded, 292 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:07,310 and I'm being told to wait. 293 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:09,310 - I wanna talk to your manager. 294 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:12,020 - You can talk to us. 295 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:15,020 Hi. Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 296 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:16,520 We tried stopping by your office, 297 00:13:16,570 --> 00:13:17,586 and your assistant told us were making 298 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:18,690 a little unexpected trip. 299 00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:19,940 - Did you ground my plane? 300 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:21,176 - It seems like you're in a rush. 301 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,700 Where you headed? - Why does that matter? 302 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:25,570 - Let's go have a little talk over here, okay? 303 00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:30,410 - Word on the street is that you and Evan Marks 304 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,080 had quite the fight last night. 305 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,710 - We had an argument. It's not uncommon. 306 00:13:34,750 --> 00:13:36,290 We're both passionate people. 307 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:37,670 - You guys argue about a woman? 308 00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:39,590 - A woman? No. 309 00:13:39,630 --> 00:13:41,670 If word got out that the C-suite is throwing 310 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,090 drug-fueled sex parties at corporate HQ, 311 00:13:44,130 --> 00:13:45,430 it's gonna be a problem. 312 00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:46,970 - Marks didn't agree? 313 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:48,656 - Evan didn't care that his Burning Man nonsense 314 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,640 doesn't exactly fly with investors. 315 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,140 But if you think I had anything to do 316 00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:55,480 with what happened, you're crazy. 317 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,770 Evan wasn't just my business partner. 318 00:13:57,820 --> 00:13:59,320 He was my best friend. 319 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,610 - If you had nothing to do with his murder, why skip town? 320 00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:04,820 - I'm not skipping town. 321 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:07,950 I'm flying to San Francisco to meet with a crisis PR team. 322 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:10,660 Evan's death sent the company's stock into a spiral. 323 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:12,080 I'm gonna go mitigate the fallout. 324 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,636 - All right, where were you last night? 325 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:16,380 - D.C. Flew back this morning. 326 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,960 Look, Evan was like a brother to me, 327 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,340 which meant sometimes we fought like brothers too. 328 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:25,260 - You guys ever fight over Eva? 329 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:26,970 - Eva? 330 00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:29,470 No, that was completely under Evan's purview. 331 00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:32,020 I didn't really get involved. 332 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:33,890 What does Eva have to do with any of this? 333 00:14:33,930 --> 00:14:35,940 - You tell us. We don't even know who she is. 334 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:40,110 - Eva isn't a woman. 335 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:42,150 She's a software program, 336 00:14:42,190 --> 00:14:44,610 specifically artificial intelligence. 337 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:47,570 She's the most advanced AI ever achieved. 338 00:14:57,870 --> 00:15:00,595 - Allow me to introduce you to EVA, 339 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:03,290 short for Electronic Virtual Assistant. 340 00:15:03,330 --> 00:15:05,250 She's artificial intelligence on a level 341 00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:07,670 no one's ever seen before. 342 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:09,840 - You and Evan Marks ever have any disagreements 343 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,590 about her or it? 344 00:15:12,630 --> 00:15:14,220 - Research shows that people prefer 345 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:17,050 giving artificial intelligence a female name and pronouns. 346 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,470 Makes it less creepy. 347 00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:20,520 - You still didn't answer my question. 348 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,770 - No, I didn't have any problems with Evan 349 00:15:22,810 --> 00:15:24,480 wanting to implement EVA. 350 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,900 Honestly, I think it's exciting. 351 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:28,360 But it was controversial. 352 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,480 There are definitely people who felt differently. 353 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,546 - What was Evan Marks doing that was so controversial? 354 00:15:32,570 --> 00:15:34,860 - As the name implies, EVA was initially designed 355 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:37,120 to assist our engineers and programmers. 356 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,280 But she's self-learning. 357 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:42,290 And within months, she advanced exponentially 358 00:15:42,330 --> 00:15:44,000 beyond her initial capabilities. 359 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,960 The program is self-iterative, and its processes operate 360 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,380 in a kind of black box. 361 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:51,226 There's no real way for us to track what algorithms 362 00:15:51,250 --> 00:15:52,840 she's using to evolve. 363 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,880 - Not my area of expertise, but doesn't that seem concerning? 364 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:57,510 - Hence the controversy. 365 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:58,696 - Aren't there regulations in place 366 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,510 around this kind of thing? - Not really. 367 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,270 Evan was a big proponent of seeing 368 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:04,850 how far EVA could go on her own. 369 00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:07,166 The goal is for her to assist the engineers and programmers, 370 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:09,650 but she can actually do their jobs. 371 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:10,900 - Except faster. 372 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:12,230 - And for free. 373 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,046 - That must have pissed off a lot of employees. 374 00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:18,030 - Yeah, about 200 of them. 375 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:21,790 - Last week, Evan Marks fired over half 376 00:16:21,830 --> 00:16:24,330 of his company's engineers and replaced them 377 00:16:24,370 --> 00:16:26,710 with the EVA AI system. 378 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:29,380 - So you're saying that when our witness 379 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:31,460 overheard Marks's killer say, 380 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:32,960 "You're turning her against me," 381 00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:35,090 he was talking about a computer program? 382 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,550 - That's what we're thinking. 383 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:38,720 - And according to Kevin Wu, the operations manager, 384 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Marks was ruthless about the layoffs, right? 385 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,430 He kicked out 200 employees on their asses 386 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:45,180 just like that without warning. 387 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:47,890 According to him, the future left these people behind. 388 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,770 - All that mind expanding he had done 389 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:51,820 led him to innovating beyond human empathy. 390 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:54,070 - That's a lot of suspects to sort through. 391 00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:55,360 - It is. 392 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,150 However, we can put one of those suspects 393 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,450 at the crime scene. 394 00:16:58,490 --> 00:16:59,990 So Wu gave us all the data he had 395 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:02,030 on all the fired employees, and it turns out, 396 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,500 the former chief programmer Ben Stafford 397 00:17:05,540 --> 00:17:08,750 used his key card at the VenZip offices 398 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:10,960 the night Marks was murdered. 399 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,896 - We checked with our psychedelic doula friend too. 400 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,630 She confirmed he definitely was not 401 00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:16,590 on the list for the Lifestyle party that night. 402 00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:18,760 - I can do you one better. Listen to this. 403 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,430 Stafford posted this on his social media 404 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:21,850 the day before the murder. 405 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:24,220 "Evan Marks will be the downfall of humanity 406 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:25,680 "as we know it. 407 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,600 He's a plague that needs to be eradicated immediately." 408 00:17:29,650 --> 00:17:31,650 - That's enough for a search warrant. 409 00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:33,610 Why don't you see what you can turn up? 410 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:37,586 - No, no, no, don't touch that. 411 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:39,256 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. All right? 412 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,820 Just stay where you are. 413 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:42,450 - This is insane. 414 00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:44,030 I was just blowing off steam. 415 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,580 I wasn't saying I was actually gonna kill him. 416 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:48,096 - Then what were you doing at the VenZip offices 417 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,410 the night of the murder? 418 00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:51,096 - I... I don't know what you're talking about. 419 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,540 - Right. - Detectives? 420 00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:55,090 We found this in the dumpster behind the building. 421 00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:57,010 - 9 millimeter. - Yep. 422 00:17:57,050 --> 00:17:59,026 - That means we're gonna finish this little conversation 423 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:00,800 of ours downtown, okay? 424 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,140 Let's go. 425 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,970 - Ballistic tests prove that the gun that we found 426 00:18:06,010 --> 00:18:08,810 was the one used to kill Marks, the guy who had just fired you. 427 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:11,140 - We know you were there. Just tell us what happened. 428 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:14,230 - Any chance I could get some of my medication? 429 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:15,900 - Medication? You mean the, uh, 430 00:18:15,940 --> 00:18:18,990 the Adderall that we found when we searched your apartment? 431 00:18:19,030 --> 00:18:20,876 You're gonna have to produce a doctor's prescription, 432 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,200 because the bottle that we found 433 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,296 had no pharmacist label on it. 434 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,870 - I don't have a prescription. 435 00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:27,410 - Then you don't get the Adderall. 436 00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:31,160 - It helps me think straight. 437 00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:32,330 - How about this? 438 00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:34,170 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 439 00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:36,500 but until you start telling us the truth, 440 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,170 it's the best I can do. 441 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:42,340 - Ben, come on. 442 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:44,010 I'm looking at you, and I can tell 443 00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:47,600 that this is not easy to keep this all bottled up inside. 444 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:52,350 You're not a bad guy, are you? 445 00:18:57,610 --> 00:18:59,030 - I brought the gun to scare him. 446 00:18:59,070 --> 00:19:02,030 I just wanted him to give everyone their jobs back. 447 00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:05,160 - Guy like that, he wouldn't listen, would he? 448 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,160 - No. 449 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,870 The only people he cares about are his rich friends. 450 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:12,580 Because of him, hundreds of people 451 00:19:12,620 --> 00:19:14,306 aren't gonna be able to support their families. 452 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:17,840 Meanwhile, he's just up in his office, throwing a party. 453 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,710 He wouldn't even have a company 454 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,510 if it wasn't for the work we all did. 455 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:24,050 - Okay, good. 456 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:27,050 So, you had an argument. 457 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,390 - Uh... 458 00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:32,680 I was so angry. 459 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:34,270 It just wasn't fair. 460 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:42,820 Next thing I knew... 461 00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:48,160 I followed him to the ATM, and I... 462 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:52,040 I shot him. 463 00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:57,580 - Okay. 464 00:19:57,630 --> 00:19:59,040 - I'm so sorry. 465 00:19:59,090 --> 00:20:00,630 I didn't mean to. 466 00:20:00,670 --> 00:20:02,210 Come in. 467 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,800 - Don't say another word. 468 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,100 I'm Mr. Stafford's attorney. This interview is over. 469 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:13,270 - Ben Stafford, you are under arrest 470 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:15,520 for the murder of Evan Marks. 471 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,980 You have the right to remain silent 472 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:20,020 and refuse to answer questions, do you understand? 473 00:20:22,696 --> 00:20:24,352 - People v. Benjamin Stafford, 474 00:20:24,377 --> 00:20:26,717 charging murder in the second degree. 475 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:30,120 - How does the defendant plea? 476 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,830 - Not guilty, Your Honor. 477 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:33,460 - Tyrone, I'll hear you on bail. 478 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,460 - Your Honor, Ben Stafford shot and killed Evan Marks 479 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,380 as retribution for Marks firing him. 480 00:20:39,420 --> 00:20:42,170 We cannot only place the defendant near the crime scene 481 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:43,470 around the time of the murder 482 00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:45,220 and tie the murder weapon to him, 483 00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:48,930 but Stafford himself confessed to detectives. 484 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:51,350 Stafford lacks deep ties to the community 485 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:54,560 and is facing a potential 25-year sentence, 486 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,770 making him a serious flight risk. 487 00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:58,230 We ask for remand. 488 00:20:58,270 --> 00:21:00,150 - Police coerced a false confession 489 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:02,610 from an innocent man under extreme duress, 490 00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:05,320 an innocent man with no criminal history, I might add. 491 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,820 We are confident that Mr. Stafford 492 00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:08,950 will be fully exonerated and ask that he be released 493 00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:10,080 on his own recognizance. 494 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,870 - Bail set at 1 million. 495 00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:13,910 Next case. 496 00:21:19,420 --> 00:21:21,380 - The jury is never gonna hear that confession. 497 00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:27,590 - Look, how about this? 498 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:28,906 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 499 00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:30,236 but until you start telling us the truth, 500 00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:32,680 that's the best I can do. 501 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,560 - Ben Stafford developed a physical dependency 502 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,110 on Adderall as a result of the grueling hours 503 00:21:39,150 --> 00:21:40,940 and high performance expectations 504 00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:42,530 of his job at VenZip. 505 00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:45,150 During the interrogation, he was suffering from withdrawal. 506 00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:46,990 He made multiple requests for the drug. 507 00:21:47,030 --> 00:21:48,610 - In the course of an interrogation, 508 00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:51,490 the suspect requested an illegally procured 509 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:54,700 controlled substance and detectives, following protocol, 510 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,120 denied the request. 511 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,540 - Police capitalized on my client's compromised state 512 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:00,880 by dangling a promise of access to the pills 513 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,380 in exchange for a confession. 514 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,316 He would have confessed to anything in that moment 515 00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:05,986 if it meant he'd get a fix, and Detective Riley knew it. 516 00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:07,630 - Riley made no such promise. 517 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,260 - "Until you tell us the truth, that's the best I can do." 518 00:22:11,850 --> 00:22:13,350 It was heavily implied. 519 00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:17,190 - That is a wild distortion of Detective Riley's words. 520 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:20,730 - I understand that the detective may not 521 00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:23,820 have intended to imply a quid pro quo, 522 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:25,230 but there's sufficient evidence 523 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,200 to support the argument that the defendant... 524 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,650 in his altered state... 525 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:31,370 interpreted it as such, making the confession 526 00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:34,990 involuntarily coerced and inherently unreliable. 527 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,370 - Your Honor... - The confession is out. 528 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:42,170 - So you have a defendant who confessed to the crime, 529 00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:44,750 but the jury doesn't get to know that. 530 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,220 Can we get a conviction without the confession? 531 00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:49,800 - I think so. 532 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,850 Stafford's key card puts him at the VenZip offices 533 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:54,850 right after midnight on the night of the murder. 534 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:56,930 Marks was shot right outside the building. 535 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:58,980 - And Stafford had already cleared out his office 536 00:22:59,020 --> 00:23:00,690 the week before. 537 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:02,230 They're gonna have trouble coming up 538 00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:04,320 with a viable explanation for him being there 539 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,530 other than confronting Marks, especially at that hour. 540 00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:09,360 - Plus, the murder weapon was recovered in his dumpster, 541 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,886 and you add to that the clear-cut motive. 542 00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:12,160 Yes, I still think we can win. 543 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,370 - Just be careful. 544 00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:16,330 The motive, in this case, has the potential 545 00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:18,450 to hurt as much as help. 546 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:23,330 Fear of losing one's livelihood to AI is pervasive these days. 547 00:23:23,380 --> 00:23:26,250 All I'm saying, Nolan, is, it's gonna be easier 548 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,840 to sympathize with the defendant 549 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,680 than the billionaire who fired hundreds of employees. 550 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,390 Humanize the victim, and remind them 551 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:38,810 Ben Stafford is the villain in this story. 552 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:45,730 - Mr. Sawyer, you were present when Evan Marks notified 553 00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:47,820 the defendant that the company was letting him go, 554 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:50,320 is that correct? - I was. 555 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,530 As co-founders, Evan and I took our responsibilities 556 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:55,700 to our employees very seriously. 557 00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:59,290 We wanted to deliver the news as humanely as possible. 558 00:23:59,330 --> 00:24:01,660 - And how did the defendant react? 559 00:24:01,710 --> 00:24:03,210 - He was furious. 560 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,750 He threw a fit, screaming, making threats. 561 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,550 It was a lot to take given that it was his fault that 562 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:11,670 it was happening in the first place. 563 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,590 - How so? 564 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:14,640 - He was the one who created EVA. 565 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,430 - That's the artificial intelligence program 566 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:18,760 that the company is now using? 567 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:21,230 - Yes, we discovered that he had essentially 568 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:23,940 designed the software to do his job for him. 569 00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:27,940 He thought he was clever, that he could just sit around 570 00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:30,360 and do nothing while collecting a big fat paycheck. 571 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,150 - The defendant wasn't the only employee 572 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,160 that you and Marks replaced with EVA. 573 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,660 - Unfortunately, the software did 574 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,830 make a number of jobs at the company redundant, 575 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:41,200 and we struggled with what to do with that, 576 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:42,910 Evan more than me, even. 577 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,380 But ultimately, he felt we had a responsibility 578 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:48,630 to push the boundaries of science and technology 579 00:24:48,670 --> 00:24:53,380 that through innovation, some sort of utopia 580 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:54,720 could be reached. 581 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,470 - When you say that the defendant 582 00:24:56,510 --> 00:25:01,180 made threats to Marks, what did he say, exactly? 583 00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:02,810 - He got right up in Evan's face 584 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,310 and said he was gonna pay for what he'd done. 585 00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:06,900 - Thank you. 586 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:08,400 No further questions. 587 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,320 - Mr. Sawyer, how would you characterize 588 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,820 your relationship with Evan Marks? 589 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:18,620 - He was my best friend. 590 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:20,330 - And on the business side, 591 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:21,910 things between you two were good? 592 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:25,500 - We had the perfect complement of skill sets. 593 00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:27,460 Evan excelled at the big picture stuff, 594 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,000 while I'm good at executing. 595 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,630 - Mr. Sawyer, do you recognize these emails? 596 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:41,640 - It looks like correspondences between myself 597 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,116 and some of our company board members. 598 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:44,680 - Objection, relevance. 599 00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:48,440 - These emails establish that Mr. Sawyer is not being honest 600 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,996 with the court about the state of affairs 601 00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:51,046 between him and Evan Marks. 602 00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:52,230 - Overruled. 603 00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,860 - What was the nature of these exchanges? 604 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:57,820 - I reached out to some of our board members 605 00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:59,660 to see if I could rely on their support. 606 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,990 - Because Evan Marks was trying 607 00:26:02,030 --> 00:26:03,700 to push you out of the company? 608 00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:04,830 - Yes. 609 00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:06,710 He'd discussed that with a few people. 610 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,580 - He felt like you were holding him back, 611 00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:12,380 squelching his creative genius, isn't that correct? 612 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:14,880 - We were in the process of sorting it all out. 613 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,220 - What did you discover in your communication with the board? 614 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:19,970 - That I... 615 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:25,140 I didn't have the support I'd imagined. 616 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:27,560 - Meaning Marks could effectively 617 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,940 fire you at any time? 618 00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:31,900 - Yes. 619 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,730 - But now that he's dead, 620 00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:37,240 you've been appointed sole CEO, correct? 621 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240 - If you're trying to imply 622 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,990 that I'm the one who killed Evan, 623 00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:44,410 you're wasting your time. 624 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:46,450 I was in D.C. the night he was shot. 625 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:47,726 - That doesn't mean you couldn't pay somebody 626 00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:49,346 to do your dirty work. - Objection, Your Honor. 627 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:50,516 The defense is trying to suggest... 628 00:26:50,540 --> 00:26:53,250 - She's not suggesting, she's asserting. 629 00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:56,130 James Sawyer killed Evan Marks. 630 00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:57,760 - Objection. - Sustained. 631 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,930 Please disregard defense counsel's statement. 632 00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:10,440 - You hung me out to dry up there. 633 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,206 - I had no way of knowing they were coming for you. 634 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:15,690 - Because you didn't tell us what was really going on. 635 00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:19,150 - How did the defense know about Marks's power grab? 636 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,910 - Great question. 637 00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:22,320 I have no idea. 638 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:24,080 Those were all company emails. 639 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,990 - Do you think Stafford hacked your server? 640 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,120 - For all I know, he had EVA do it for him. 641 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,420 They're trying to make it look like I killed Evan. 642 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:33,630 That's insane. 643 00:27:33,670 --> 00:27:35,130 He's gonna get away with murder. 644 00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:44,470 - Tell Detective Riley 645 00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:46,600 we're calling him first thing tomorrow. 646 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,810 We need to refocus the jury. 647 00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:51,940 Remind them who the real killer is. 648 00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:54,860 - Like it or not, Nolan, the defense just offered up 649 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,360 a perfectly plausible alternative suspect. 650 00:28:04,803 --> 00:28:07,164 - Detective Riley, in the course of your investigation, 651 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:08,672 you discovered that the defendant 652 00:28:08,697 --> 00:28:10,730 had been present at the VenZip offices 653 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,860 the night Evan Marks was murdered, is that correct? 654 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,490 - Yes, he entered the building at 12:14 a.m. 655 00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:18,070 - And Evan Marks was shot right outside of there 656 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:19,320 not long after that. 657 00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:21,120 - Which is why the defendant immediately 658 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,490 became a person of interest. 659 00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:24,080 We then uncovered a series of threats 660 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,766 that he had made against Marks, so we executed 661 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:27,210 a search warrant of his apartment. 662 00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:28,500 - And what did you find? 663 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:29,920 - We found a 9-millimeter pistol 664 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,590 in the dumpster behind his building. 665 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:34,920 - Is this the gun that you found? 666 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,170 - That's the one. 667 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:39,050 - And did you run ballistic tests on this gun? 668 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:40,220 - We did. 669 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,220 They confirmed that it was, in fact, 670 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:42,406 the weapon used to kill Marks. 671 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:44,390 - Thank you. No further questions. 672 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,690 - Is there any evidence... other than the keycard data... 673 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:55,240 that my client was in the office that night? 674 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,700 For example, security video? 675 00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,280 - No, Evan Marks had turned off 676 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,506 the security cameras that night. 677 00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:01,886 - So that there would be no evidence 678 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,370 of his illicit sex party filled with illegal drugs? 679 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:06,160 - Objection, calls for speculation. 680 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,330 - Sustained. 681 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:10,290 - Were Ben Stafford's fingerprints 682 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:11,420 on the gun that you found? 683 00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:13,590 - No, it had been wiped clean. 684 00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:14,800 - No further questions. 685 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:22,050 - Detective, was the dumpster where you recovered the gun 686 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,680 accessible to just anyone? 687 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,286 - It was not. It was behind a locked gate. 688 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:27,270 - Well, who had a key to that gate? 689 00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:28,600 - Only the tenants. 690 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,150 - Do any of the tenants... other than Ben Stafford... 691 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:33,310 have any ties to Evan Marks? 692 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,770 - None that we could ascertain. 693 00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:36,320 - Thank you. 694 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,110 The prosecution rests. 695 00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:40,200 - You may call your first witness, Ms. Greenough. 696 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,410 - Your Honor, the defense calls Ben Stafford to the stand. 697 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,660 - I had nothing to do with what happened to Evan. 698 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:50,790 - Then how do you explain all of the evidence 699 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,080 that the prosecution has laid out? 700 00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:56,630 - I'M being set up by James Sawyer again. 701 00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:58,210 - What do you mean again? 702 00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:59,760 - Well, about six months ago, 703 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,970 James and Evan called me into a meeting. 704 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:03,970 They were frustrated that the company's 705 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:07,310 engineers and programmers weren't working fast enough. 706 00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:09,020 It was absurd. 707 00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:13,900 Everyone was working 16 hours a day, seven days a week. 708 00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:16,650 I had to take Adderall just to keep up. 709 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,400 - What did they wanna discuss? 710 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,700 - They wanted me to create an AI program 711 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:24,450 to carry some of the workload, make things go faster. 712 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:25,780 - And what did you say? 713 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:28,580 - I had real reservations about the idea. 714 00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:31,370 There were obvious ethical implications, 715 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:33,170 but also, I didn't want to be responsible 716 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:36,170 for putting my coworkers' jobs in jeopardy. 717 00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:38,300 But James and Evan made clear 718 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:39,710 they'd fire me if I didn't do it. 719 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,670 - So you did what they demanded. 720 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,010 - And they ended up firing me anyway. 721 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:47,560 And then when they fired everyone else, 722 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,020 they told them that it was my fault, 723 00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:56,060 that I created EVA on my own so I didn't have to work. 724 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,440 - They made you the fall guy. - Exactly. 725 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,610 And now James Sawyer is doing it again. 726 00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:06,030 I was at home, asleep in my bed that night. 727 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:08,200 I've never fired a gun in my life. 728 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,620 - But your key card... 729 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,080 - Easiest thing in the world to clone. 730 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,670 My ten-year-old niece could do it. 731 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:16,500 - Well, what about the gun? 732 00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:18,186 It was found behind your apartment building. 733 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,420 - James has access to my personnel files. 734 00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:22,720 He knows where I live. 735 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,880 - But according to the detective, 736 00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:27,050 you need a key to access the dumpster. 737 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,970 - Half the time nobody remembers to lock that gate, 738 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:33,440 and even if it's locked, it's not hard to bypass. 739 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,230 I swear, I'm being set up here. 740 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:38,940 I'm innocent. 741 00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:42,400 - No further questions. 742 00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:52,290 So... 743 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:53,790 By your own admission, 744 00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:57,170 you had plenty of reason to want Evan Marks dead. 745 00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:00,090 He fired you and made you 746 00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:01,920 the fall guy for all the other layoffs. 747 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,760 And, in fact, you made multiple threats against him, 748 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,140 both online and in person, isn't that true? 749 00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:10,680 - Which is how James knew I'd be the perfect patsy. 750 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680 - So we're to believe that James Sawyer, 751 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,140 one of the most respected 752 00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:16,690 and accomplished businessmen of our time, 753 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:19,270 somehow arranged the murder 754 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,900 of his closest friend and business partner 755 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,900 and then created some elaborate scheme to frame you? 756 00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:27,950 - That's who these people are. 757 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:33,620 Evan Marks and James Sawyer, they're all monsters. 758 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:38,880 They use honest, hard-working people as pawns. 759 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,630 I'm just one more meaningless no one 760 00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:46,090 easily sacrificed so that James Sawyer 761 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:50,640 can gain more power and more profit. 762 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,810 And the thing is, guys like him, 763 00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:56,230 they always get away with it too. 764 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,990 - That was a hell of a performance. 765 00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:08,320 If I hadn't seen Stafford's confession with my own eyes... 766 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,820 - I know. 767 00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,240 - Good, caught you. - What's going on? 768 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,870 - There's something I need you to see. 769 00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,290 Is there an office we can go to? 770 00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:17,910 Our offices were in the process 771 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,370 of upgrading our security system 772 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:21,040 right before Evan was murdered. 773 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,960 So I took a look at one of the new cameras 774 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,300 on the exterior of the building. 775 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:29,880 There's a direct shot of the ATM where Evan was murdered. 776 00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:32,800 - How the hell did police miss that in their initial canvass? 777 00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:34,286 - Camera's so tiny, you can't even see it 778 00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:35,770 unless you to look for it. 779 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:37,980 But it was operational that night 780 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:39,940 even though it wasn't on the mainframe, 781 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:42,770 meaning that it wasn't logged into the system. 782 00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:57,540 That's Ben Stafford, clear as day. 783 00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:00,210 - Oh, my God. 784 00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,080 We got him. 785 00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:14,358 - Hey. You're in early. 786 00:34:14,532 --> 00:34:16,822 - Yeah, I couldn't sleep. 787 00:34:17,050 --> 00:34:19,720 Something was bugging me. 788 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,850 Look at this. 789 00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:27,690 - What am I missing? 790 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,190 - Well, this entire trial, 791 00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:32,020 Stafford has been taking meticulous notes 792 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,780 as people testify, you noticed? 793 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:37,150 - Yeah. Just figured he was... 794 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:40,450 Oh. 795 00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:43,040 Stafford is left-handed. 796 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,500 - But the shooter in this video is using his right hand. 797 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,090 - So what, you're worried the video isn't real? 798 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:54,590 - The defense blaming James Sawyer for Marks's murder 799 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,840 is the top headline in news outlets across the country. 800 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,100 What are the chances that Sawyer just happens 801 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,140 to be the one to find the perfect piece of evidence, 802 00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:07,850 evidence that nails Stafford and clears his name? 803 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:10,020 - I get what you're saying. 804 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:13,150 He is the CEO. 805 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:15,030 They got all kinds of security cameras. 806 00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:17,070 - But he didn't find the video until yesterday? 807 00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:19,570 - I know the timing is convenient, 808 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:21,780 but it doesn't prove anything. 809 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,240 - No. 810 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,910 But given Sawyer's access to advanced technology, 811 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,870 a deepfake video of this caliber 812 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880 isn't outside the realm of possibility. 813 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:35,300 - So what do you wanna do? 814 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:39,340 - I am going to ask for a continuance 815 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:43,430 while you get clarity on the video's authenticity. 816 00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:46,520 - ITB used every tool they have to analyze this thing, 817 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,890 but the results were inconclusive. 818 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,480 - So they can't tell if it's real or fake. 819 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520 - I mean, the biggest giveaway would be here. 820 00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:57,360 For whatever reason, even the most advanced AI 821 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,490 still struggles to render human hands and fingers correctly. 822 00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:04,030 But from this far away and at this resolution, 823 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,910 it's impossible to zoom in enough 824 00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:07,950 to see Stafford's hands in detail. 825 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,750 - That could be by design to avoid detection. 826 00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:12,580 - It could be. 827 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,380 It could also just be a coincidence 828 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:15,840 that the camera is that far away. 829 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,970 - Yeah, well, the problem is, 830 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:22,050 the coincidences are really piling up here. 831 00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:23,800 - If this is a deepfake, it is one 832 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,720 of the best ones I've seen. 833 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,850 But we just can't say conclusively 834 00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,020 one way or the other. 835 00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:32,600 Hey. 836 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:35,230 So, um, Riley and Shaw went back out 837 00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:36,650 to the VenZip offices. 838 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:38,860 They confirmed that there is, in fact, 839 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,740 a camera on the exterior of the building facing the ATM. 840 00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:44,570 - Is there any way to verify how long that camera 841 00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:46,030 has actually been there? 842 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,330 - There is documentation alleging when it was installed, 843 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:53,080 but that would be easier to manufacture 844 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,080 than a video, so... 845 00:36:54,130 --> 00:36:56,590 - So no. - Correct. 846 00:36:56,630 --> 00:37:01,380 - Which means we don't actually know that it's false. 847 00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:04,590 - We don't know that it's real, either. 848 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,770 - If we don't present the video, can we win? 849 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,180 - I'm not sure. 850 00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:14,230 It's a circumstantial case with an unlikable victim. 851 00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:19,230 - And a likable defendant who acts like he's the victim. 852 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,030 - If the defense wants to challenge the video, 853 00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:25,410 they can call an expert and debunk it. 854 00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:27,330 - Jack, we don't know if it's actually real. 855 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:28,660 - It's up to the judge. 856 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:30,290 He can deny its admission, 857 00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:32,830 or he can leave it up to the jury. 858 00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:35,370 - But by presenting it, we're vouching for it. 859 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:41,090 We are telling the jury we believe it's real. 860 00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:42,800 I know Stafford is guilty. 861 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,380 He confessed, for God's sake, but if we don't start drawing 862 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:48,350 the line between what's real and what's not, 863 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:52,310 we'll be contributing to the very problem that could... 864 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,310 hell, if every deepfake video is admissible, 865 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,650 we'll never get another conviction. 866 00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:00,820 All the defense has to do is show some perfectly credible 867 00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:02,860 video that disproves our case. 868 00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,660 We have a duty here. 869 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:09,620 - Our duty is to the truth, and the truth, in this case, 870 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:13,120 is that Ben Stafford murdered Evan Marks. 871 00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:18,040 Use the video. 872 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,210 End of the day, it's up to the jury 873 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:24,670 to determine what the truth is. 874 00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:34,140 - That's... that's not me. 875 00:38:34,180 --> 00:38:36,020 That's... no, I don't... 876 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:39,230 - Sorry, you're... you're saying that's not you in the video? 877 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:40,730 Right there. 878 00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:42,360 - No, I can see it's me. 879 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,320 It must be a deepfake. 880 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,030 - So it is you, but what, it's the video that's not real? 881 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:50,160 - First off, I'm left-handed. 882 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,700 - But your right hand is functional. 883 00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:53,556 You can certainly shoot with that hand as well. 884 00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:55,620 - Maybe, but I don't, and I didn't. 885 00:38:55,660 --> 00:39:00,040 - So this video that we are all looking at with our eyes, 886 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,040 you're saying, well, that's not real. 887 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,670 - Objection, asked and answered. 888 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:05,170 - Sustained. 889 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:07,340 - You're trying to make it sound crazy, 890 00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:09,340 but with AI these days, 891 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:10,890 you can make something like this. 892 00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:13,390 You don't even need to doctor existing video. 893 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:15,560 You could just make it whole cloth. 894 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,150 - So you'd have us believe that your key card was cloned, 895 00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:21,900 that the murder weapon was planted, 896 00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:27,490 and now actual security footage was created from thin air 897 00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:31,160 using technology more advanced than anyone here has ever seen, 898 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,990 all to frame you when the simpler, 899 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,040 the more obvious answer is that you murdered Evan Marks. 900 00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:45,840 - Please, you have to believe me. 901 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,430 - Mr. Stafford, why should we believe you 902 00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:54,600 over what we can see with our own eyes? 903 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:13,370 - Mr. Foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict? 904 00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:14,870 - We have, Your Honor. 905 00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:17,750 In the charge of murder in the second degree, 906 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:22,080 we find the defendant, Benjamin Stafford, guilty. 907 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,540 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 908 00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:25,340 thank you for your service. 909 00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:51,860 - It was the right verdict, put away a guilty man. 910 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,660 - Yeah. 911 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:58,830 But what happens the next time or the time after that? 912 00:40:58,870 --> 00:41:01,330 This job was hard enough when we knew the difference 913 00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:04,670 between real and fake. 914 00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:06,710 But now?69796

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