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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is, all we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is,
all we do is lie and wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't wanna be the right way 'round
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♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪
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So... What did he tell you? My dad?
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Enough for me to know if you
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never want to talk about this again,
then that's fine.
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Or if you want to talk about it
every day
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for the rest of your life,
that's fine, too.
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- I'm doing it properly.
- I see you are.
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He was just very shocked
when I introduced myself,
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and scared.
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And he was babbling
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and kept repeating that it,
didn't mean anything.
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He kept on apologising,
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but I wasn't interested in apologies.
I didn't want contrition.
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What I wanted was...
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To understand.
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And the only person who could
help me do that
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was dead.
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Does it ever cross your mind, Cass,
we have a very limited pot of money
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and if we spend too much
on an incredibly expensive
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and time consuming investigation
in to 40-year-old abuse,
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then we've got nothing to spend on
a child that got abused last week.
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Yes, of course.
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And?
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Would you like to come through?
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And in terms of the bigger
investigation,
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the murder investigation,
where are you with that?
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I don't know.
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They questioned me again yesterday,
but I have a watertight alibi.
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And this was that you were sectioned
in the Maudsley.
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Twenty-six years ago, yes.
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And for what it's worth,
I did not kill David Walker.
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Okay.
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I just hope I have all the facts now.
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I just need to, er,
consider how best to proceed.
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Yeah, of course.
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- How long do you think it will be...
- I don't know.
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I've never had to deal with anything
remotely like this.
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I'm sorry for snapping, but I'm...
I'm cross. And disappointed.
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And Flo?
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Erm, Simon, could you could pick her up
from school today?
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- Yeah.
- Okay, thank you and, Colin,
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until I decide what to do, I need you to
find somewhere else to stay, please.
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Sure. Sure.
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And if the investigation goes away
then maybe, we can get through this.
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If it drags on, if, God forbid,
you were charged and it went to trial,
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we could obviously never let you
parent Flo.
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You'd either have to move out
permanently,
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and we'd have to consider Simon
as a single parent,
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or if you both felt
you couldn't do that,
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then we'd have to take her back.
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You know I would actually
get the boys DNA tested
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if I thought it would help you.
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But I know you know it's nonsense.
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You just wanted him gone.
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Like me and Mum.
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So that he couldn't ask you any more
questions you didn't want to answer.
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But Mum and I are not going anywhere.
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I'm sorry.
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Anyway, come on,
do you want another cup of tea?
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So for over two weeks now,
we've all wrestled with this case.
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Following one dead end after another,
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with the final nail in the coffin
of the idea
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of Sara Mahmoud's possible guilt,
coming last night,
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when her husband turned up
out of the blue, with this.
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Evidence she was in Italy at the time
of Walker's death.
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Which, er, was a blow.
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Because we know that Sara knew Walker,
and I reckon if we hunted hard enough,
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we could conclusively place her
at a gathering Walker was at.
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Given also we know what Walker
liked to do to young girls,
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when he turns up at her flat,
as a client, eight years later,
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she has the perfect motive
for a revenge murder.
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- Except the alibi is good.
- More than good.
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It's watertight. There's no way
she could have killed him.
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Question is,
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is it too good?
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- You think it's faked somehow?
- No.
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I think it's real,
but what it feels like to me is,
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is a bunch of information collected
by a woman
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who knew she'd need an alibi.
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Which would mean,
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she'd have had to know that Walker
was going to die?
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Yes.
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Okay, here goes, and, erm,
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stop me when it gets too mental.
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So, we have three suspects
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who actually all have dysfunction
consistent with abusive childhoods.
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Drink issues, mental-health issues,
relationship issues.
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We have three people who, for my money,
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just tried too hard to look like
they didn't know each other.
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And then we have an idea.
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That Sara Mahmoud was abused
by David Walker,
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but that Colin and Marion were abused
by people we've not yet identified.
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And that, at some point in early 1990,
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after Sara realises the client
is the same man who'd raped her
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at a gathering eight years before,
the three of them,
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already, I believe,
known to each other, somehow,
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came together and hatched a plan
to murder all three of their abusers.
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Now they knew if they murdered
their own abuser,
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there'd almost certainly be an easily
traceable link back to them.
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So they agreed to kill each other's.
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S-Sorry, Guv, if I'm being
dim here, but, erm,
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if you've created the perfect alibi,
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why did Sara wait two weeks
before she gave it to us?
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'Cause offering it up immediately
could also arouse suspicion.
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How much more credible
for her husband to find it?
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And you think Walker
was the first victim?
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I think him turning up
as a punter at Sara's flat
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was what kicked it all off.
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- And he was killed by?
- Has to be Marion, doesn't it?
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I think so.
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Osborne was in the Maudsley,
Sara was in Italy.
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And Walker's body was found
less than eight miles
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from Marion's parents' house.
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So why did Osborne spend so much time
with Walker, then?
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I think he was trying to confirm
that Walker was who Sara thought he was.
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So then that has to mean that Sara
would have had to kill
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Colin Osborne's abuser,
and Osborne, Marion's?
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Yes.
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And if we're right,
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to prove this theory,
we'd need to find three things.
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We'd need to find evidence
of that historic connection,
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we'd need to find evidence of
who those other abusers might have been.
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And we'd need to find two more bodies.
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It won't be forever. It's fine.
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Give her a big kiss from me.
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Tell her I love her
and I'll be back very soon.
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Murray and Jake. We need to find out
where our three suspects might have met,
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but we know that two of them weren't
even in London till 1985.
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So we're looking at a meeting
that happened
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sometime between then and 1990.
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Where might that have occurred?
Was it through a job,
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a party, a flat-share,
group counselling, I don't know.
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Think laterally. We will be focusing
on the suspects' families.
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DCI Stuart will go to Glasgow to talk
to Colin Osborne's father.
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Fran will visit Sara Mahmoud's husband.
I will visit Marion Kelsey's sister.
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We don't think they'll know a lot about
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what's been going on
the last few weeks,
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and if our suspects were abused,
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then their families are our most likely
source of information.
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And how much do we actually tell them?
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We stop short of actually lying,
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but not by much, or we'll get nothing.
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We don't need these interviews
to be admissible.
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Right now, we just need to know
that we're on the right lines.
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So no appointments,
no warnings we're coming.
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We need to catch them on the back foot.
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- You don't need to say anything.
- Look. I...
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I just hope this doesn't affect
our work. Or our friendship.
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It won't. It hasn't, all right?
I promise.
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Now piss off.
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They're trying to trace more
of the victims of the activities
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inside this Brentwood House
and if they do,
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they think they could support
the allegation you were present there
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on at least one occasion.
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You're gonna be suspended
from all duties,
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whilst a full investigation takes place.
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I have to ask,
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if you did know what he was doing,
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how could you have not said anything?
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It sounds so inadequate, doesn't it?
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When you hear it on the news, people
saying they were different times.
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But they were.
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There were times when a rock star
could go on telly,
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being interviewed about his underage
girlfriend and no one got arrested.
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We all just shrugged it off.
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Thought it was sort of
cheeky and amusing.
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We all bought into that,
until we didn't.
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So that time I followed him,
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and it was just once.
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He told me she was 16.
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And willing.
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And he begged me to forgive him.
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And I wanted to.
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Both forgive him and believe him.
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Because, otherwise,
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it was the end of our marriage
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and everything we'd built up together.
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And so I did.
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And for that,
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I am truly ashamed.
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Well, Colin was a, a lively lad,
you know, when he was a little boy.
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He was full of mischief and fun.
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And then, when he was about...
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Nine, he just,
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slowly started to change.
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Became quieter, you know,
more introverted.
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Staying in his room more and
not seeing his pals so much, you know.
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And his, his school work suffered.
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And he stopped being affectionate.
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Got angry at the slightest thing
and, er, he just,
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became a different child.
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And I presume
you asked him what was wrong?
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Over and over, for years.
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- He would always just say "Nothing".
- Say "I'm fine".
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So, in the end we just thought,
well, that's how it is. That's...
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That's how he was, that, er...
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Children change.
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And what you're talking about,
sexual abuse,
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wasn't something that you considered
back in the '70s.
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It wasn't one of the options for
why a child isn't themselves.
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But if we consider it
as a possibility now,
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do you have any idea where something
like that could have happened to Colin?
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Were there ever any issues
in his primary school?
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No.
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I never heard nothing like that there.
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- Any friends or family?
- No.
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Was he a member of a church,
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or a football team
or a scout group or...
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Mr Osborne?
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There was one bloke, a pal from work,
Len Paxton.
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He ran the local platoon of
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Club Rangers.
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I don't know why she seems to hate me.
Or hate our mum.
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Like I said, she's troubled.
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- Was it always like that?
- Absolutely not. No.
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We adored each other
when we were growing up.
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Do you remember when it changed?
Was it overnight or...
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No, I remember it exactly
when it changed.
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I was 14 and Marion was 11,
and we'd moved to Cork.
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Our dad had got a job
as a lecturer there.
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You know we had a great house,
a lovely garden.
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We even got our own rooms,
for the first time.
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But Marion just seemed to hate it.
Overnight, she became
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- distant, sullen, aggressive.
- Towards you?
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Towards me, towards our mum,
at school, everyone.
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Including your dad?
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Actually, no, not Dad.
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But then him and Marion were
always stupidly close.
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So, no, Dad was the only one
who escaped her ire.
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When did your dad pass away?
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Er, 1991.
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- How old was he?
- 57.
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That sounds pretty young. Was he ill?
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- Why do you ask?
- Just trying to fill in the gaps.
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Well, no, he wasn't ill,
well, not physically, anyway.
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He, erm, took his own life.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
Do you mind if I ask how?
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He hanged himself. Highgate Woods.
245
00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:10,455
So did he have a history of depression
or mental illness?
246
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What are you suggesting?
247
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Did he?
248
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No.
249
00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:23,055
Right.
250
00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:26,818
Do you know if your mum's at home?
251
00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:36,369
Paxton?
252
00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:40,899
Don't recall a Len Paxton,
before my time probably.
253
00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:42,929
Really?
254
00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:45,455
Sorry?
255
00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:47,132
Well, no, it's just, erm...
256
00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:51,135
Well, I found him with a simple
Google search, so.
257
00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:54,173
What you asking me about him for then?
258
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:59,939
Because I wanna know what happened
to him after he left prison in 1988.
259
00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:02,853
For assaulting two boys from a platoon
in Dumfries.
260
00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:07,289
Look, this is all ancient history.
261
00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:11,413
Do you know what?
I, I am getting
262
00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:14,412
really pissed off with that expression
because it's just not.
263
00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:17,216
The sort of things people
like Len Paxton did,
264
00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:18,733
they're still affecting people today.
265
00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:20,572
Catastrophically. It
266
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:24,851
fucks up whole lives. Okay?
267
00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:29,654
So, unless you want me to come back
tonight when all the parents are here,
268
00:20:30,420 --> 00:20:33,298
I'd start trying a little harder
to remember, if I were you.
269
00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:38,009
He's dead.
270
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:42,929
When?
271
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:45,575
'92.
272
00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:49,289
How?
273
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:51,931
He topped himself, everyone reckoned.
274
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,535
"Reckoned"?
275
00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:58,817
He had this little yacht,
he used to take some of the lads out on.
276
00:20:59,580 --> 00:21:01,855
It was found a few days
after he went missing,
277
00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:04,135
drifting in open water
off Greenock Harbour.
278
00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,693
They never found his body.
279
00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:10,890
Although, I'm not sure
anyone looked too hard.
280
00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:19,850
It's changed. We've changed.
281
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,654
People like him don't slip
through the nets anymore.
282
00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:25,378
Well, I really hope so.
283
00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:30,054
But they were saying that 30 years ago.
And 20. And 10.
284
00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:32,256
And I just pray
285
00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:35,571
that they won't be saying it 20 years
from now, about today.
286
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:47,772
Her father told me
what he'd found out
287
00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:49,373
in the months after she ran away.
288
00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:51,935
This was while she was still 13?
289
00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:56,053
And being taken to parties
organised by men like Walker,
290
00:21:57,020 --> 00:21:58,169
and raped.
291
00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:02,971
Did he not report this?
Did he not go to the police?
292
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:04,615
Yes.
293
00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:07,936
And, apparently, your lot told him
you couldn't do anything,
294
00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:11,490
because it'd been her choice
to become a child prostitute.
295
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,731
A phrase it should be fucking illegal
to even use.
296
00:22:25,060 --> 00:22:26,254
Oh, Jesus.
297
00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:31,137
- You knew.
- No.
298
00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:35,018
She told you. You knew.
299
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,818
I did not know.
300
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,329
She was always making things up, Elise.
301
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:43,696
Exaggerating everything.
302
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:46,975
Your father would never have done
the things that she said.
303
00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:49,051
How old was she when she told you?
304
00:22:50,740 --> 00:22:53,300
You tell me now
or I swear I'll...
305
00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:54,569
Elise.
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00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:00,134
12.
307
00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:02,214
My...
308
00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:11,619
And you decided not to believe her
because... What?
309
00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:16,738
You didn't wanna lose the house?
Or the research trips abroad?
310
00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:17,969
Or because... What?
311
00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:21,129
You're an evil fucking witch!
312
00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:31,250
And we have wondered all our lives
why she is so angry?
313
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:53,890
I need you to tell me exactly
what Marion told you.
314
00:23:55,620 --> 00:23:56,814
Please.
315
00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:03,577
- What sort of a mother does that?
- I'm struggling to be charitable.
316
00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:05,969
Well, Osborne's dad clearly had no idea.
317
00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:07,493
Yeah, nor did Marion's sister.
318
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,571
I guess we've lost our element
of surprise.
319
00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:10,979
I'm pretty sure all three of them
will know
320
00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:12,175
the questions we've been asking now.
321
00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:15,013
Which is why I want to get in front
of Colin and Marion today
322
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,499
while they're still on the back foot.
323
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:17,769
And ask them what?
324
00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:19,418
Where they were
when their own abusers died.
325
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,095
Because if we're right, they'll have
absolutely watertight alibis.
326
00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:27,093
Which both proves the theory,
and sort of screws us, evidentially.
327
00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:29,819
What have we got from Murray?
328
00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:34,254
So, he's spent all day trawling
NHS records.
329
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:39,130
Turns out that at various points in '87
and early 1988,
330
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:43,692
both Colin and Sara were under the care
of Ealing Hospital psychiatric unit.
331
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:47,338
- As in-patients?
- Yeah.
332
00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:48,535
What about Marion?
333
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:51,418
We haven't located her
records yet, but here's a thing,
334
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:53,889
before she lived at her Smoke Lane flat,
335
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:56,574
from early '86 to late '87,
336
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:59,257
she lived in a flat in South Ealing.
337
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,736
So that's the link,
they met in Ealing Psychiatric Unit.
338
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:08,691
Well, this could be hard to prove,
339
00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:10,577
but, yeah, it's gotta be a possibility,
isn't it?
340
00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:15,055
Yeah.
341
00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:19,698
You track down Colin.
I'll speak to Marion. Thanks, Sunny.
342
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:25,090
The train nowapproaching platform four
343
00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:26,329
does not stop here.
344
00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:29,253
Stand back from the edge
of platform four.
345
00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:31,848
The next train is not scheduled
to stop.
346
00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:42,929
Jason?
347
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:46,779
How are you doing?
348
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,094
Fancy a cuppa?
349
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:53,769
Yes.
350
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:19,899
Look, I know it's really annoying
351
00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:22,574
when people give you trite bits
of advice on how to be happy,
352
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:26,619
but you don't have to be defined
by your past.
353
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:29,813
I had a horrible relationship split
a couple of years ago.
354
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,778
Then my mum died. And then my cat.
355
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:37,490
And I was really struggling.
And then I met this bloke.
356
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:42,898
I thought, "God, he's nice,
he's not like other blokes,
357
00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,775
"I'd love to get to know him better."
358
00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:49,969
And it showed me
that there was possibility. Ahead.
359
00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:52,532
- Do you see?
- Yeah.
360
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:55,499
That life goes on, Jase.
361
00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:01,770
Right. Yeah, well, thanks for that.
And good luck with the bloke.
362
00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,850
No, Jase, the bloke's you.
363
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:09,615
- You what?
- It's you.
364
00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:12,369
I like you.
365
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,892
- Really?
- Don't look so surprised.
366
00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:18,893
It's just, erm...
367
00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:22,536
No one's ever said that to me.
368
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:27,531
So what I wanted to say was,
shall we get that date in the diary?
369
00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:40,255
- Marion, please. Don't go out now.
- I am fine. Honestly.
370
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,252
Please don't say anything
to Tony just yet,
371
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:44,058
'cause I need to speak
to him myself, okay?
372
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,010
- I'll be back in a couple of hours.
- I love you.
373
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:52,609
- I love you, too.
- And I am so, so, sorry.
374
00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:24,174
- Sunny.
- Guv, Colin's not at his house.
375
00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:27,213
His husband said he'd moved out for
a bit and was staying at a Holiday Inn,
376
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,733
but he's not there either.
377
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:31,131
- Right.
- You at Marion's yet?
378
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:34,535
Er, no, no. Not, not yet.
379
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:37,489
I'll call you.
380
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,456
They have no proof of anything, Marion,
and they never will have.
381
00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:52,889
But they know.
382
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,376
But knowing something
and proving it in a court of law
383
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:56,973
are two very different things.
384
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:03,819
Yeah, they are.
385
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:07,089
Very different.
386
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:19,214
Marion.
387
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:22,015
Where are you running to? It's over.
388
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,409
So, I want to speak
to my husband now. Okay?
389
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,138
Now I want to explain.
390
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:35,857
Well, I was in Goa when Paxton
went missing.
391
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:39,091
Er, I have hotel and flights receipts.
I can prove I wasn't here.
392
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:40,408
I'm sure.
393
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:43,578
And when Marion's father died?
394
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:46,408
Can you prove you weren't
in Highgate Woods?
395
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:52,214
And did you meet them both
in Ealing Psychiatric Unit,
396
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:55,299
or just Sara?
397
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:09,650
I've read, er, people who've been abused
398
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:11,896
can always recognise other victims.
399
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,609
Something in the way
they carry themselves.
400
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:17,775
Was it that?
401
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,260
That drew you to each other?
402
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:31,290
So I guess now you pull
what you have together,
403
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:36,573
and present it to the CPS
404
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:41,456
and they may go for it
and you may be able to charge us.
405
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,697
But before you do, maybe I could just
give you some other facts?
406
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:49,008
Please do.
407
00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:52,968
So...
408
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,652
He used to come 'round to our house
on Sunday nights,
409
00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:02,213
mainly, for a roast dinner.
410
00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:06,658
And he'd always find time
to play with me.
411
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:10,889
He'd pretend to be a horse
and I'd climb on his back
412
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:12,811
and then he'd buck and twist and turn,
413
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,291
and I was a cowboy at a bucking bronco
contest and I fucking loved him.
414
00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:23,778
And when my dad found out that he ran
the local Club Rangers Platoon
415
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:27,296
and suggested that I join,
I could not have been happier.
416
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:30,808
And for six months it was the best time
of my life.
417
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:33,735
We played football and kick the can
418
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:37,529
and made fires in the woods
and bows and arrows, it was
419
00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:40,138
Enid Blyton for real.
420
00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:46,731
The first time it happened was when
we went camping for the weekend.
421
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:51,214
My tent was an old army
one of my granddad's
422
00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:53,657
and when we started to put it up,
423
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:57,376
he said it wouldn't be any good
because it wasn't waterproof anymore
424
00:32:58,020 --> 00:32:59,419
and it was gonna rain.
425
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,410
But that was okay he said,
because he had room in his tent.
426
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:10,219
That night he only gave me a massage
to help with the day's hike.
427
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:16,172
Er, the next night he touched me
and asked me to touch him.
428
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:19,212
It didn't rain that night, either.
429
00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:26,178
I can spend a lifetime talking to you
about the shame
430
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:29,254
and guilt.
431
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:33,213
And how I thought I must have
actually wanted him
432
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,689
to do it because sometimes
I got an erection.
433
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,696
And how I couldn't tell Mum and Dad
because he was their friend
434
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:43,852
and I didn't want to upset them
or embarrass anyone.
435
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:45,814
And how I couldn't tell anyone else
436
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,050
because he said I'd be sent away
if I did.
437
00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:54,059
But I do still ask myself,
every single day,
438
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,613
why didn't I tell someone?
439
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,572
Then over the next
440
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:06,739
six months,
441
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:10,732
on visits to our house
when my parents were out,
442
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:14,491
he did... He did things
443
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:21,888
which actually physically
damaged me for life.
444
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:28,614
Because a 48-year-old man is not meant
to put himself inside a 9-year-old boy.
445
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:37,334
But much worse than the physical damage
is the damage he did to me as a person.
446
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:43,052
Because that first time, he changed me,
instantly and forever.
447
00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:47,970
The drinking, the rage,
448
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:52,259
the suicide attempts, the fighting,
the manic working.
449
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:58,853
The endless exhausting visceral rage
450
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:01,096
that I feel every day of my life,
451
00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:04,058
that I feel right at this moment,
having to explain this to you.
452
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:08,371
That is all because of him.
453
00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:18,098
So you might put me in prison.
But let me tell you this,
454
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:22,892
you can't judge me
unless you've had it done to you.
455
00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:30,215
I won't ever, ever, let any one judge me
for what I did.
456
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:48,690
And just so you know,
what happened to Sara and Marion,
457
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,133
was much worse.
458
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:23,774
Hiya. You okay?
459
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,013
I need to tell you something.
460
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:55,258
For a while I wondered if he only took
the job in Cork because of the house.
461
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,018
Which meant that Elise and I
had our own rooms, finally.
462
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,976
First time, my mum was just downstairs,
463
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:07,938
she was watching The Onedin Line.
464
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:10,578
I could hear the theme music.
465
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:16,499
And he came in when my lights were out
and he knelt by my bedside.
466
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,091
And he said that I was growing up now,
467
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:25,009
becoming a young woman,
and that soon I'd have boyfriends.
468
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:28,535
And he wanted me
to be prepared for that.
469
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:30,654
He wanted to help me
470
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:33,612
so I knew how to enjoy it.
471
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,373
And then he put his hand
under the covers
472
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:43,491
and he did what a boyfriend might do.
473
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:48,614
And he did that
pretty much every Saturday night
474
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,577
when he was home, for about a year?
475
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:55,897
And then one day,
when I was having my tea,
476
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,459
I finally told my mum
477
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,772
that he did things to me
while she was downstairs.
478
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:07,339
And I remember she was...
She was peeling potatoes at the sink.
479
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:09,808
And she never even stopped.
480
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,176
She never turned to me,
she never said anything.
481
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:15,569
And five minutes later,
482
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,970
she told me to go back upstairs
and finish my homework.
483
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:23,020
And I wondered, at first,
if she hadn't been listening.
484
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:27,491
But then, that night,
she came upstairs and stayed there,
485
00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:30,170
folding clothes and, and tidying
486
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:33,177
for an hour after I went to bed.
487
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:38,210
And, of course, he never came near me.
488
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:42,730
And she did that for about six months,
and then one day she just stopped.
489
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:49,616
And then when she
and my sister were out at the cinema,
490
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:51,053
a few weeks later,
491
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:54,253
he raped me for the first time.
492
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:58,370
And I remember I said to him, erm...
493
00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:03,890
If he did the same to Elise
and he said no, no, it just me,
494
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:05,488
because I was special.
495
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:10,659
I was special.
496
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:16,612
And the anger, Tony, the anger
497
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,373
that I felt for so many years
and I still do...
498
00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:27,250
In the end, it made me do
a terrible thing.
499
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:52,969
Hey.
500
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:56,009
Hiya.
501
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,654
How are you?
502
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:03,134
He sent me that.
503
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:06,369
Who did?
504
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:08,975
Him. Your mother's lover.
505
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:12,770
It's the letter she wrote telling him
why she was finishing with him.
506
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:18,139
How she realised that what we had
was what she wanted.
507
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:22,054
How terrible she felt
about what she'd done,
508
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:27,696
and how the affair made her realise
509
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,018
how much she loved me.
510
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:34,333
It's a good letter.
511
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:37,736
To read, Cass. For me.
512
00:40:39,460 --> 00:40:41,610
It's very good for me to know that.
513
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,055
Mmm.
514
00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:58,095
And you wouldn't have got it
if you hadn't have gone to see him, Dad.
515
00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:06,540
- So you know, you were right.
- You.
516
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:20,778
Oh...
517
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:24,218
Listen, I've gotta make a quick call.
518
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:27,333
I love you, Dad.
519
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:29,534
Just, er...
520
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:32,179
I'll be quick.
521
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:50,616
- Sunny?
- Hey.
522
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,854
Can you meet me?
523
00:41:57,860 --> 00:41:59,930
This case rests or falls on them
knowing each other.
524
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:02,580
Without conclusive proof of that,
it is just a theory.
525
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:03,854
And they're not gonna confess.
526
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:07,777
And without any bodies,
it's gonna be very hard
527
00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:09,532
to connect any of them to the deaths.
528
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:14,618
So I can't see the CPS being delirious
to press charges.
529
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:16,213
But we do have proof now.
530
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:20,215
You've just told me
you saw them together.
531
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:21,415
I saw them.
532
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:25,214
On my own.
533
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:28,059
CCTV? Or...
534
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:31,652
And they arrived separately.
535
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:35,249
Fuck.
536
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:37,612
Yeah. Fuck.
537
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:43,814
Well...
538
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,217
I guess, in the end, you have to
ask yourself the old question.
539
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:52,098
Why do we send people to prison?
540
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,894
And do Colin, Sara and Marion...
541
00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:03,459
...need to be deterred
from committing murder again?
542
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:06,817
- No.
- No. I don't think so.
543
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:13,059
So, do they need to be rehabilitated?
544
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:15,695
I mean, for the last 20 years, at least,
545
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:19,689
I mean, they've all been very valuable
members of society.
546
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:23,376
All three of them.
I mean, helping the most vulnerable.
547
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:27,893
Which means,
548
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:32,528
in the end, it pretty much
comes down to punishment.
549
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,569
Do Colin, Sara and Marion
need to be punished?
550
00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:40,255
And that's it, you see.Because for me,
551
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:46,215
I think their whole lives have been one,
long, indescribably brutal punishment.
552
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:50,177
And I just can't see
why we would punish them further.
553
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:54,414
I can't see who would benefit.
554
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,609
No. No. Nor can I.
555
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:01,694
Okay.
556
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,249
So...
557
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:07,809
This is
558
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:13,533
significant, Sunny. This is a pretty
fucking huge thing I would do here.
559
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:15,895
- Yeah? You?
- Mmm, yeah.
560
00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:18,255
To be absolutely clear, this is just me.
561
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:20,808
You would never be implicated
in any decision I make.
562
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:24,097
But if you have a single shred of doubt,
please, you tell me now.
563
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:26,648
Tell me to go to Andrews
first thing tomorrow morning,
564
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:29,493
report everything,
tell him I saw them all, together.
565
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:45,690
I don't believe they could be charged,
566
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:52,729
and I see no point in disrupting
their lives further. So, no.
567
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:56,373
I won't tell you to do that.
568
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:07,968
You're all right, do you know that?
569
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:11,373
You're not so bad yourself.
570
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:18,655
I'm gonna leave now,
before you try and snog me.
571
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:20,339
Smart move.
572
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,095
Night-night, Sunny.
573
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:36,295
Night, Guv.
574
00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:54,500
Ripped & Corrected By mstoll
March 2017
575
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,500
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