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He's not done killing.

He's here to harm this family.

I feel like he's trying
to jump into this person.

Attacking my husband and myself,

it wants to kill us.

If we don't do something
it's gonna break us up.

Keep hearing
"the killing spree."

I see a knife. I see blood.

He says, "I dissected my mother,

cut her arms,
her head off."

I got that he was a killer,

and I saw him getting into bed

with you guys.

I literally wanna take
a sledgehammer

and like smash this down.

I keep hearing,
murder, murder, murder.

My name is Cindy Kaza.

I'm a psychic medium.

Somebody's conjuring up
the spirits in this house,

I swear to God.

I ask questions of the dead...

These people are grave robbers.

...to find answers
for the living.

I'm 100% sure that we are
dealing with something demonic.

I'm Steve DiSchiavi.

I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.

So when he jumps you like
that, what happens?

It's my job to dig up history
on every house we investigate.

I wanna talk about
the blood bath.

And dig up secrets
that wanna stay hidden.

We've done everything
but burn the house down.

Together we help
terrified families.

A man's voice said,
"I'm going to kill you."

Decide whether
it's safe to stay.

I let him sit there
and fight this thing.

Or pack a bag and get out.

His goal would be
to have you all die.

This place is so off to me.

There's something
off about this house.

Especially the wall
that surrounds it.

I literally wanna take
a sledgehammer

and like smash this down.

I feel like something must have
happened when this was built.

Made the activity increase.

Okay.

So, I feel like
building this wall,

or putting up this fortress
around the house

is really
pissing off the, the spirit.

Yeah.

I'm here in Florence, Arizona.

It's a small town about
an hour south of Phoenix.

I got a desperate call
from a woman named Shanna.

She's terrified.

She says whatever is in the house
is gonna hurt her and her family.

She told me the activity
is turning violent

and she's adamant
if Cindy and I can't help,

it's just a matter of time before
someone gets seriously hurt.

So, Shanna,
driving through the neighborhood

and up to this
beautiful home you have,

it's hard to believe you're
going through hell here.

But when we spoke
that's what it sounded like.

It is. It basically, it feels like it
is attacking my husband and myself,

to the point that
it wants to kill us.

You believe that?
- I do.

Every day is a struggle.

All right so
let's start with basics, so

who exactly is living
in the house now?

Myself...
- Okay.

...my husband.
This is my cousin Mary,

and her two kids,
Chloe is 13 and Aiden 16.

How long ago
did you guys actually move in?

About a year ago.
It's a new build,

so there's been
nothing here prior to that.

So this was what?
Just dirt out here?

Yeah.

Is the whole community pretty new?
- Yes.

Okay, so...

gonna be a little tough for me
on research on the home.

Do me a favor and give me a list
of what you guys are experiencing.

Creepy sounds.
- Okay.

Seeing things.

Physically drained.
- Okay.

And mood changes.

How are these mood changes
affecting you?

Massively. I'm up and down.

I can feel myself getting
very angry, very quickly.

And what about your husband?

Jon especially gets very angry.

Um, which is not like him.

He's usually cool and calm
and collected.

So we're not talking
about just saving this house,

we're talking about saving
your marriage? - Right.

You guys ever just think about,

you know, to hell with this,
let's get the hell out of here?

We've nowhere to go.
I mean we put everything we have

into this home.

And I'm a fighter.

I'm not one to just

relinquish control and say,

"Okay, you can have
what you want."

'Cause I'm gonna stand
and fight my ground

and what's ours.

There's a dead woman
that haunts this house.

When she was alive
she was super depressed.

She wants people to feel
how she felt in life.

So, I feel like she can
influence people's emotions.

It's dangerous because the people
that experience this woman,

she's so manipulative,

she can drive them
to become depressed.

She just likes to,
to make people feel crazy.

All right, Shanna,
so what's going on here?

Well, I saw an apparition
of a woman right here.

Okay.

Did you get a good look at her?
What did she look like?

It was grey.
It was kinda transparent.

I just know it was a female.
- Okay.

Um, taller than I was.

So, did it look like
she was looking at you?

Yes, it was surreal
at that moment.

Okay, so what else?

We hear all kinds of sounds.

Okay, like what?

It's like heavy old-timey
furniture... - Okay.

...like on a really old
wooden floor.

It makes that...

So, I saw you have the attic
pull-down staircase like I got.

Correct.

Is there anything up there
that could be moving around?

Any animals getting up in there?
- My husband

actually put that up there so

he was just up
putting everything in there,

and I don't think there's
anything up there that he's seen.

Okay, so anything else
you can tell me?

Just super drained, constantly.

All right, so explain what's
happening with the draining.

I can literally come in to house
from going grocery shopping

and all of a sudden
I'm so tired,

like, I hadn't slept in a week and I need
to lay down and go to sleep right now.

Are you taking any medication
that would make you drowsy? - No.

Okay, so, it's... You're fine
when you're out there,

you walk in and all of
a sudden you feel like,

"I need to get some sleep."
- Yeah.

You feel your energy

just being sucked
right out of your body.

It's terrible.
It's taken the life out of me.

There's definitely
something going on up here.

Do you
have any idea what that is?

It doesn't feel human.

Ooh.

It feels more elemental to me.

Is it dangerous to the living?

It's dangerous in the sense that

it can affect your body.

It can drain your energy.

So this draining, how,
how would that feel?

Physically you could feel tired.

It can drain your batteries
in your cell phones,

computer, things could shut off.

Stuff like that.
- Okay.

Okay, so what's going on here?

Well, I see, like a dark shadow

over here by the window.

What does it look like?

It's just a big,
the darkest black you've ever seen.

Just blob

that has three humps to it.

Do you have anything...
Light coming in from outside?

No. Those...
those are black out curtains,

and we keep those
closed at night.

Okay, so what else?

Something like, sits on the bed.

Okay, when you say,
"Sits on the bed"

how, how much pressure?

Could the dog jump up
and jump off and that's...

No, the dogs are actually
in kennels all night.

Okay, so that answers
that question.

I wouldn't even know
how to debunk this.

Me either.

All right, what else?

I've been pushed
walking out of this room.

Okay, now we're getting into
serious problems here.

Shanna, do me a favor,
just do it to me.

Let me see how...
how hard it... Whoa. Okay.

It was enough to knock
me off my balance. - Right.

And I'm 220 pounds,
so you're a lot lighter than me.

I... I mean,
anything else physically

like that happened to you?

Been sexually touched.

Have you talked
to your husband about this?

I don't talk to him about it

because he's got
enough to worry about.

I mean, you're hearing things,
you're seeing things.

You're being pushed.

You're being sexually assaulted.

What're you doing here?

Living. Trying to.

There's an angry-looking man
in here.

He's super aggressive.

Does he have any
interaction with the living here?

People will sleep in this bed

and feel like there's a spirit
in bed with them.

Like it will go...
the, the mattress will actually sink in.

So people will feel like
they're sinking down

because of the weight
of the spirit.

So, I see somebody
sleeping in the bed

and I see this man's
hands around their neck.

In the middle of the night...

...they can't breathe,
they'll wake up.

They feel like they are choking.

Speaking to your wife,
she was saying how

everybody in the house mood
is changing.

I mean, do you agree with that?
- Yeah, absolutely.

Everybody's fighting?

Yeah.

It's getting to the point where

if we don't do something
it's gonna break us up.

Right. So Jon, any experiences
you can tell me about?

I've night terrors,
almost on a nightly basis.

So, what kind of dreams?

Fore-telling dreams.

Repetitive of people that
are close to me being hurt.

You take anything
to sleep at night?

'Cause I know when I take certain
things, I get these weird dreams.

But nothing like that.
- No.

Okay. Is there anything else?

Yeah, I hear voices
that sound like my wife.

Okay, how often
is this happening?

I'd say weekly.

So, I mean, how sure are you

that it's not her
calling you out?

I guess as sure as I can be.

I mean we don't tend to play those
types of games on each other...

Right. - ...especially
with what's been going on.

How soon after moving in
did paranormal activity start?

I would say
within the first week.

Wow. Okay, quick.
- Yeah. Very quick.

The first day we were here

we had things being
knocked off the shelves.

And we were just dumbfounded.

If Cindy turns around
and says, "Listen

you can't stay here, you can't fix
this, you've got to go."

Then we're gonna go.

If it's a battle that
cannot truly be won,

then I'm smart enough to know
when I'm beat.

Okay.

This dead woman,
she can mimic voices.

She's a little bit concerning
because she fools people.

When people are showering
in the shower

they feel like
they're being watched.

Do you have any idea why she's
staring at people in the shower?

To make them uncomfortable.

This dead woman,
she also moves objects.

People put their keys down,

and they're like, "Where
the hell are my keys?"

So people think they're losing their stuff.
She's moving it.

Any particular reason?

She just likes to,
to make people feel crazy.

So, guys, I understand

that you're living
here with mom,

in that bedroom in the back?
- Yeah.

Right, Chloe, let me ask you

about the experiences
you've had.

Have you had any?
- Yes.

Not that long ago
I was laying down with my mom

and we felt something
kicking the bed.

Could it have been
one of the dogs running in?

No, they stay
in the cages at night.

Did you come in and kick it?
- No.

Sneaking in
or anything like that?

So you weren't playing
games with them?

No, I wasn't.

Aiden, you heard
your sister's experiences,

have you had any?
- Yeah, I have.

I was laying down
in the room at night

and I like saw
something in there,

like a tall, you could say, man

was walking around in the room,

like pacing back and forth.

At first I thought
it could've been

a shadow from outside,

but I looked over,
the blinds were closed.

And now how long did this last?

Maybe about a minute.
He eventually just disappeared.

Okay.

So you saw that.
Anything else?

I get nauseous
and bad headaches sometimes.

What makes you think
that's paranormal?

Um, I've never
really gotten nauseous

or bad headaches
before I moved here.

Okay. You taking any medication
that might make you sick?

No.

Are you feeling that way
at all, right now?

I'm feeling
a little nauseous, yes.

Okay.

If I was talking
to anybody else they would say

what you're telling me, they'd
be, "I wanna get out of here.

I wanna find
some place to live."

But you guys, you don't seem
too upset about anything?

Are you fronting with me,
what's going on?

Definitely not.
- Okay.

I have had experiences
before with the paranormal,

so it doesn't really bother me.

At all?
- At all.

And I've kind of lived with it
the whole life.

Okay.

This room is messed up.

The dead guy comes in here.
Goes out there.

Come in here. Goes out there.

Back and forth this room.

Is bad.

I keep seeing somebody
getting sick, throwing up.

Like, he wants
to enter somebody here

or to influence somebody

so they can commit
crimes for him.

He's interacting with
whoever sleeps in this room.

I feel like he's trying
to jump into this person.

Is there any particular reason
it's this individual?

I feel like he's open.
I feel like he's sensitive.

Do you think others would say

this person's behavior
has changed?

More aggressive, for sure.

Snaps at people more.

The temperament has shifted.

It's not good.

What's this
dead guy's intention?

I feel like he wants a body...

so he can continue committing the
crimes he committed when he was alive.

It wasn't hard to figure out

where to start my investigation.

There's a huge
state prison here.

It's the first thing you see
when you drive into town.

I reached out to one of my go-to
guys here in Arizona, Marshall Shore.

He says some of the most brutal and violent
killers have called this place home.

So, Marshall,
it's good to see you again.

I appreciate you helping me out.

Before we get into things,
what can you tell me

about the history
of this prison?

So, this is the first
Arizona State Prison.

They started
building it in 1908,

and they finished it in 1912.

You mentioned on the phone

there's a lot of
hardcore killers here.

It's Arizona, I gotta assume
there was some executions, right?

Yeah, I mean about
80 people in total

were executed at the Arizona
State Prison here in Florence.

Okay, so you and I
can sit here all day long

and talk about all the scumbags

that came in and out
of this place

but anybody stick out to you?

You know, there was this
duo serial killers,

Willie Steelman
and Douglas Gretzler,

they go on this
drug-induced killing spree

through California and Arizona,

and a total of 11 people
were murdered,

and they were both convicted.

And when they
wound up in prison,

Willie told his lawyer,
"Don't release me

because I can't control
my own actions."

Okay, so he knew he was a psychopath?
- Indeed.

All right so did they wind up
getting executed here?

Well, they're both
sentenced to be executed

but Willie in '86 passed away
of liver disease.

So, what happened
to the other guy?

Did he wind up getting executed?

So, in 1998 he was executed
through lethal injection.

I don't know how this is gonna
play out for my investigation

but this location
is less than a mile

from my clients' house, right?

Lot of people
that killed people,

went into this building

never made it out and were executed.
- Right.

It's a lot of dead bodies.

Just keep
hearing "The killing spree."

I see a knife.
I see blood.

This angry dead man,

when he was alive was a killer

and I keep sensing...

he's not done killing.

I just saw a vision of a man
hanging by a noose.

He wants a body
that he can jump into,

so he can continue
committing the crimes

he committed when he was alive.

So he's here to harm people.

He's here to harm this family.

So far,
I've got clients who believe

something paranormal
is out to kill them

on a property less than a mile
away from the state prison,

where about 80 people
have been executed.

But I wanna see
if there's anything else.

Searching through old records,

I came across
a horrifying murder

where a Florence state prisoner

killed his own mother
during a furlough visit.

I reached out
to a retired special agent

who looked into
this case for me.

He says he thought
he'd seen it all

but this case
made his stomach turn.

So Mark, it's good to see you again.
- Good to see you.

So, before we
get into the crime itself

what do we know about this guy?

- The murderer, was named
Robert Henry Moormann. - Okay.

He had an absentee father,

and his mother was a 15-year-old
alcoholic prostitute.

She died in a car accident
when he was two.

So I know he winds up killing the
woman who adopts and raises him.

I mean who's that?

He was adopted
at the age of two-and-a-half

by a Flagstaff couple,
Fred and Maude Moormann,

well-respected in Flagstaff.

They weren't able to have
children of their own.

When did this kid
start getting into trouble?

Well his first stay in a mental,

state mental hospital
was when he was 13,

after he accidentally
shot his mother.

He "accidentally" shot her?

Accidentally shot his mother.

All right, so he shoots the mother.
Is she dead?

No, she lives.

As a matter of fact in 1967
when Dad dies and he's 18,

she continued to raise him
all by herself.

All right,
so how does he wind up

in s state prison
here in Florence?

So, in 1972, when he's 23,

Moormann kidnaps
an eight-year-old girl

coming home from school.

For two days he takes her,
they're driving north

and they're stopping at motels
along the way.

He has her commit
sexual acts to him

at the motels as they're going,

and he eventually turns
himself in to the police.

All right,
so does this guy plea out

or does he go to trial,
what happened?

He was sentenced
to nine-years-to-life

in penitentiary, in Florence.

All right, so the homicide.
What happened?

At the time, the State of Arizona
had a compassionate furlough

for minimum security prisoners

which he was one of.

So, January 12, 1984,

his mother Maude came down,
checked him out,

and they went over
to the Blue Mist Motel

which is right across
the street from the prison.

Okay I just left there
literally minutes ago.

Get this, that night
he goes around

to local stores,
local restaurants,

and asks permission to throw
bags of smelly rancid meat

in their trash bins

because the motel
he's sitting at,

their dumpster is full.
The problem is

he goes into a pizzeria,
and the owner of the pizzeria

is a retired,
corrections officer

who recognizes him from
when he was in the prison.

The corrections officer
calls PD and they come on out.

All right, so I got to assume
he's throwing out

his mother's
body parts at this point.

Yeah. He winds up admitting to
it in the back of the patrol car,

he says, "I dissected my mother.

Cut her up.
Cut her arms, her head off,

put them in bags,

and I go around to these stores

and I'm, I'm dumping her
in the trash."

She's cut up but that doesn't
mean that's how she died.

What was the official
cause of the death?

The autopsy showed
that she had been suffocated

and beaten before she died.

I got the obit right here.
- Okay, so...

he had a little bit of a rage
going on with her, huh?

Right, so cops got a confession,

got the body.
They got everything.

What happened with this guy?

They convicted him.
Jury found him guilty

after only
two hours of deliberation.

Sentenced him to death.

All right, so I know
at least 80 prisoners

were put to death over there,
is he one of them?

Yeah, he was.
But he fought it for 28 years,

until he was finally
put to death in 2012.

All right.

So this woman gave up
everything for this guy

and for all her good deeds,
he murders her?

Yes.

I'm feeling the depressed
woman when she was alive.

There's grief around
actually losing a child,

a miscarriage, or blood,
or problems with...

reproductive stuff.

And I keep hearing
something about an adoption.

I feel like she wanted to die.

She was misunderstood.

She feels that nobody loved her,

nobody cared about her anymore.

She feels like

people just left her to die.

When she did die,
she carried over those feelings of,

of pain.

She was so sad
and miserable and scared.

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So, with Shanna and
Jon seeing strange things

and feeling drained
in their home,

it got me thinking.

This is a brand new development.

There was nothing here
but a bunch of dirt.

Maybe we are not dealing
with a haunting

but with contaminated
soil and water.

So I called in
some local geologists

to see if there might be some other
explanation for what's happening.

So, Greg, Warner, I appreciate you two
coming out here and helping me out.

All right, so my clients
live in this home.

Um, and they are experiencing

seeing thing, hearing things.

They're also complaining about

haven't felt right
since they moved in.

So, I was thinking maybe
it might be something wrong

with the soil
or maybe the water,

that sound like anything to you?

Yes, it, it's possible.

Arizona has typically
a problem with certain

heavy metals like
arsenic and mercury.

We are a mining state
and so we do have those

components in a lot of our soils

and those could
cause some health effects

if they're in
high enough concentrations.

So let me ask you a question,
have you ever had a case where

the toxicity in the soil
was so high

that people start hallucinating,

seeing things
or where they got sick?

Yes, we have.

There are,
a couple of sites here

in Arizona that I've been
at that, we've seen rashes

and certainly feeling
under the weather, dizziness,

that type of thing,
from exposure to some of these chemistries.

Okay what about hallucinations,
anything like that?

In extreme, cases, yes.

Okay, got that.
So you guys do your thing,

and I'll get back with you
when you're done.

I'm hearing the elemental

making noise up in the attic,

I don't know why it's up here.

I mean it can be anywhere

but it's like,
specifically hangs out up in this space.

It's like if you were
to walk in a room

you feel like
you can walk through

like a field of energy.
- Okay.

It's like a force field.
It's like it can...

It can manipulate
energetic boundaries.

Create portals.

Create openings.

So, if I were to dig
around the ground,

there's something
in the ground here

that's mineral.

That's affecting
the force field.

Look, I've spent
more than 20 years

as a homicide detective

and when you're working a case

you gotta rule out
the obvious first.

If my clients were exposed
to heavy metals

like arsenic and mercury

in their soil
and drinking water,

it could explain some of the
bizarre experiences they're having.

Gentlemen.
- Sir.

So, how did it go?

It went well.
We were able to take our soil samples

and collect what we need
for the analytical laboratory.

And how long does it take
to get those results back?

The analysis comes back
in 24 hours... - Okay.

That's what we planned
with laboratory.

Okay, great. I appreciate your help.
Thanks, guys.

All right. No worries.
- Thank you.

Thank you, sir.
- Thank you.

I saw a lot of really
horrifying things during my walk,

but a couple
really stuck with me.

First the angry dead man

choking a living woman
in the main bedroom.

I was looking at her through his
eyes and just seeing the hands.

I could feel her waking up.
- Okay.

And not being able to breathe,

and choking and feeling afraid.

Next I had the artist
sketch the angry man

jumping a teenage boy
in the house.

If you could imagine a

spirit wanting to take over
somebody else's body...

Okay.
- ...just like that.

I think he needs to be just
a little bit shorter. - Okay.

And then was he
really leaning into it

or does that look okay
the way he's standing?

He's leaning over this kid
trying to get into his body.

Cindy, is this what you saw?

That's definitely what I saw.

Now that Cindy and I
have completed our investigations

we are ready to reveal
our findings to each other

and our clients
for the first time.

So, Cindy I want you to meet
Shanna and her husband Jon.

Hi.
- Nice to meet you.

So, for years,
the two of them saved the, every penny

so they could buy this home.

But the second
they moved in here,

all hell broke loose.

Now a few months ago,

Shanna's cousin Mary moved in
with her two kids.

This is Aiden who's 16.

And this is Chloe who is 13.

Everyone is having
a terrible time.

And these guys are convinced
whatever's here is out for blood.

Now that Cindy knows just
a little bit about you guys,

she'll tell us about her walk.

When I first arrived
at the house,

I was really drawn
up in the attic.

And what you have up there
is an elemental.

That basically means a spirit
from the earth.

It was never human.

And I think the elemental is connected
to the land that your house was built on.

It can wreak havoc in your home.

It can drain your energy.

And I also think you guys
might be hearing

thumping, or something
coming from the ceiling.

Yeah, definitely.

First thing you need to know

is this neighborhood is brand new.

I want you to take a look
at this aerial photo.

Now as you can see
there was nothing here

but dirt...
- Right.

before the
neighborhood was even built.

That makes sense.

As soon as you said "drain,"
you and I looked at each other.

I'm drained 24/7.

It is just
absolutely exhausting.

Another thing she mentioned
was the noise, you know,

you told me about sounds like
the furniture was being moved.

We do. And I've heard

you know, thumps and so forth
coming from the attic.

So I also had
my own suspicions, um,

that there might be something
going on with the ground here.

So I called in two geologists

to come by the house
and take some soil samples,

for testing.

The good news is the results
came back normal,

and I have those here.

So that's one good thing about your
property, that your soil is good.

The bad news is
it came back normal.

Which means your problem
can't be easily explained.

Well, there's more.

Next I wanna talk
about a dead woman

who's very active here

and is causing
a lot of problems.

She really likes to mess with
people and make them feel crazy.

She can also mimic the voices
of people in the house.

I feel like people
that are alive

will feel like they're
being watched by somebody,

especially in the shower.

I feel it.
I feel being watched...

constantly if I'm in the shower.

Tell Cindy about
the apparition of the woman.

I felt a presence,

and I didn't know what it was

but it was just very creepy
and there was a full apparition

standing in the kitchen...
watching me.

She mentioned mimicking,
explain what's going on with that.

So hearing her call
my name repeatedly

almost in distress...
- Yeah.

...and then I go
searching for her and she's...

nowhere where I would be
able to hear that even.

But the thing that
worries me the most

is she likes to manipulate
people's emotions,

and she wants
to make people upset.

So she can drive people to
depression and even drug abuse.

Now one of the big reason
these guys called us in

is because they feel their moods

have changed significantly
since they got here.

I go up and down so quickly,
it's not even funny.

And you've
never had that before?

Yeah.

I'm a generally calm person.

I spent my career
on the street as a paramedic

having to be calm.
- Right.

Now it seems like
the very littlest things

will send me into a rage.

That has to be terrifying...
- It is.

...because you have
no control over your emotions.

I mean we are just not happy.

I was feeling into who this
woman was when she was alive.

There's grief around
actually losing a child,

a miscarriage, or blood,
or problems with...

reproductive stuff.

And I keep hearing
something about an adoption.

She was so sad and miserable
and scared.

I came across somebody

might fit the description.

Her name was Maude Moormann.

Maude and her husband Fred
wanted children,

but couldn't
have any of their own.

So 1950 they adopted
a two-and-a-half year old boy.

His name
was Robert Henry Moormann.

When he was 13 years old,

he accidentally shot his mother.

My God.

But fortunately she lived.

So when Robert was 23,

he kidnapped
an eight-year-old girl

on her way home from school.

So, he went on the run
stopping at motels

making this little girl
perform sexual acts.

So eventually his car broke down

and he turned himself
in to the police.

So he gets to sentenced
to nine years to life.

Now on January 12th, 1984,

Robert was allowed
a "compassionate" furlough

that the state had
to visit with his mom.

So his mom came in,
checked him out of prison

and into room 22

at the Blue Mist Motel
across the street.

Later that night
Robert went to a pizzeria

that was owned by
a former corrections officer

and asked if he can dump some...

bad meat that
went rancid on him.

The owner recognize him and was
suspicious so he called the cops.

Um, police came to the hotel
and arrested Rob.

While he was in the squad car

he admitted that he killed
and dissected his own mother.

Um...
- My gosh.

I got the obituary right here.

Robert was found guilty
and given the death penalty.

Now he fought off
his execution for 28 years.

Wow.
- Right.

It's a long time.

But was eventually given
a lethal injection in 2012.

When you said those few things

she's the only person
I can think of

that might fit that description.

What, what are your thoughts on it?
- I mean, yeah,

especially the adoption part.

It was just like talk about the
adoption, talk about the adoption,

like over and over and over.
- Right.

She wants everybody
in the house to feel her pain.

So it would make sense

that she's creating problems
between the two of you.

Now, I understand...

...like, I can feel that rage.

Like, it makes perfect sense.

All right,
so what else we got going on?

So the next dead person that I
wanna talk about that's in your house

is a very angry
and aggressive male.

When he was alive
I got that he was a killer.

I kept hearing,
"Killing spree."

Then I saw a vision of a man
hanging from a noose,

and I kept hearing
the name Will or Willie.

Now first thing
you gotta know, Cindy,

is that there's
a huge state prison

less than a mile from here.
- Yeah, and I didn't know that going in...

- Yeah, so... - Yeah.
- And that's where Moormann

that I was just
telling you about

was executed.

Now a whole bunch of killers
called this prison home.

Way too many to mention.

But I actually did come across
one named Willie in my research.

You did?
- I did.

His name was Willie Steelman

and in the early '70s
he and his partner in crime

went on a terror spree
in Arizona and California.

The two were convicted
of murdering 11 people.

Wow.

Willie Steelman never made it
to the gas chamber.

He actually died of liver
disease in 1986. -

I'm not sure if this is the guy

but...
- That's the guy.

Definitely fits the description.
- Yeah.

You said this guy
is dangerous. I mean...

what's he do?

In the main bedroom
I saw him getting into bed...

with you guys.

So you should feel
the bed sinking in sometimes.

Did I tell you she's good?

I... I know she's good.

Tell her what you show...
what you told me

and what you showed me happens.

So there's a lot of nights
that you can feel like,

somebody, like,
pushing on the bed

or sometimes
I get my foot tapped.

One of the most
disturbing things that I saw

was him trying
to choke a woman in bed.

And I had a sketch done
of what I saw.

It's gonna disturb you
to see this, for sure.

Yep.

I felt that.

Several times, I felt that.

There's more. Sorry I have to bring this up.
- No, it's okay.

She needs to tell you about
how she's being touched.

Sexually.

I'm so sorry.

Thank you.

And she's a tough lady,
but you can only take so much.

Yeah, it's a lot.

So, is anybody else in the house

getting affected by this guy?
- Yes.

So I went into the other
bedroom in the house.

That's where Mary
and the kids sleep.

Right.
- Yeah.

This dead guy
is very, very present there.

I saw him focused on a boy

who I thought
was around 13 or 14

and I think that this kid really
has abilities. He's very open.

And the dead guy is literally

jumping this kid,
trying to get into this kid.

I felt that this is making
the boy nauseous or sick.

So, I had a sketch done
of what I saw.

This is interesting.

Holy crap.

Looks just like Aiden.

My God, it does.

You know, I spoke to
Aiden, now he's 16, right?

Now, he told me he's had
experiences his whole life.

And just like you said,
he's constantly

getting headaches
and feeling nauseous.

He also told me
he sees a shadow person

pacing in the bedroom.

Now is that this scumbag
or is this something else?

I definitely think it's...

Willie?
- Willie.

What does he want with Aiden?

So, Willie wants to keep doing
what he did in his life.

He wants to keep stealing.
He wants to keep killing.

And he's trying to use Aiden

somehow to make that happen.

I don't even know
where to start.

These are people who don't have
a right to be in our space.

So, listen you guys brought
us in to save two things,

your dreamhouse
and your marriage.

Now we're gonna find out if
either one of those are possible.

And if so what is it gonna take?

For that answer I'm gonna turn
it over to my partner Cindy.

First let's talk
about the elemental.

You can bring somebody in to do a
land clearing and see if that works.

Clearing out your backyard.

I would recommend somebody

that's good with working
with the elements.

And I would also recommend

somebody
who's native to the land.

Next let's just move on
to the dead woman.

I feel like you need to bring
in a medium to talk with her.

I feel like the medium
should be a man.

Okay.

But he has to be compassionate.

Because she's so traumatized
by the loss of her son

and how it happened
that there's a piece of her

that can't move on
until that's healed.

Absolutely.
- Yeah. Yeah.

Now, for Willie.

It's a big one.

I feel like you also need
to bring a medium in,

but you need to bring in
a female medium, a woman.

As we know most serial killers
have mommy-issues.

I feel like this woman

has to be
very stern, very direct.

But I feel like
that's your best bet with him.

I can't guarantee

that these things
are going to work.

But I think it's worth
giving it a shot

because this is your home.

So sounds like you don't
have to leave it for now.

Yeah, that's a good thing.

I'm gonna fight.

That's just what
we've been doing all along.

But we need to
check in in six months

to see if the activity
has died down

once you bring in these mediums

and you try to get rid
of these spirits.

So, you're not really
in the clear yet. - No.

Just the beginning of the fight.
- Yeah.

So is there anything they can do to
help Aiden before the mediums come in?

Yeah, so I draw spirit guides
and I made one for Aiden.

And I feel like you can hang
it on the wall in the room.

So he feels protected.

Wow.

And he can ask for help from his
spirit guide when he feels afraid.

He has this particular guide around him
right now to help him during this time.

That's great news.

It really is.
- That is very amazing.

Thank you.
- You're welcome. Yeah.

Are you gonna
take Cindy's advice?

Without a doubt.

Absolutely. Word for word.

We have answers to questions

we've been asking
for a really long time.

Yeah.
- You guys are amazing.

Thanks to you guys...
- Thank you.

We now know what we have to do.

I'm so glad
we were able to provide

Shanna and Jon
with some answers.

If they follow my advice and if in
six months the activities died down,

they should be able to live a
peaceful life in their new dream home.

Hi, guys, we wanted
to says thanks for coming out

and taking care
of some things for us.

We gratefully appreciate it.

First off, we believe
the gentleman that was here

moved on with the family
that had moved out.

We know that
the lady is still here,

but we are working to get her
removed probably next month.

Other than that things seem
to be going to the positive,

which is a good thing.
Thank you guys again for coming out.

Thank you so much
for coming to help us.