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- Previously on

- Previously on
the "Southern Charm" reunion...

Cameran, if you had to pick
one of these three guys

for Palmer to date?
- I would pick Austen.

- He's the only one
that would date a two-year-old.

- [laughs]

- Thomas made the decision
not to attend,

but Ashley, Thomas' girlfriend,
is gonna be joining us.

- Yay.
[laughter]

- What do you want to do,
um, hair-wise?

- I've been known to do this
thing, this hair-flipping thing

when I'm nervous.

[sighs]
Whatever you can do.

- How did the current climate
of what's going on

in this country
influence your attitude?

- Every man in America
did, like, a mental "take stock"

of the last 20 years
of their life.

- Why did you track me
after we broke up

and all the other crazy sh--
you did?

- Because I still
wasn't over it.

- You're still searching
for a reason that we broke up.

- Jesus, let me talk.
- So obsessed with--

- Please, you're just, like,
talking over me.

And I don't miss this at all.
- No, I was actually still...

- Now that I am a mother,

I have so much more
empathy for you now.

[crying] And, like,
I just can't imagine

what you've been through
as a mom.

And then to have all this sh--
you had to go through

on top of it,
it makes me feel sick.

- I'm assuming you watched

what Ashley had to say to her
about her mothering?

- Oh, yeah, I think
she's a horrible human being.

Horrible.

- I'm about to walk into
the lions' den,

and, uh, speak my truth.

I know it's gotten me
in some trouble.

That's why it's, uh,
nerve-racking for me.

[dramatic music]

- I'm sorry that I--

- Cam, got all teary-eyed.
Wow.

- This is good, though.
Just speak your heart.

- All right, folks, jump back
into positions, please.

- Here we go.

- Yeah.

- Okay, quiet please.
Here we go.

In three, two...

- The "Southern Charm" reunion
continues now.

- ♪ Mm-hmm ♪

[soft jazzy music]

Welcome to the "Southern Charm"
reunion, part two.

I'm Andy Cohen.

So I want to talk about
when you disappeared.

- Yeah.

- Did it surprise you
how upset your friends were

when you took a time-out?

- Uh, yeah, it surprised me that

you were all calling each other

and, like, it was all of y'all

that were concerned.

It's never really been that way.

- At what age did you realize

that you were
struggling with depression?

- When I was 18,
I was in college,

working in politics
and being around

a whole bunch of men
who, like, objectified me,

sent me into a depression,
I guess.

- At that time,
were you self-medicating

with--with drugs and alcohol?
- Yep.

- So you went off
your anti-depressants.

You thought "I'm in
a great place," and then...

- Yeah.
- That didn't work out.

- Yeah, I just felt
like I could do it.

And I don't like being on meds.

I don't want to be on meds
the rest of my life.

I don't want to have to
depend on anything

other than me to be normal.

- So you're back
on the anti-depressants?

- Yeah. Honestly, I'm glad
it came out on the show,

because there's a lot of people
that won't admit it.

- Yeah.
- And they suffer for so long.

- Yeah.
- There's such a stigma around

just the word "medication."

And there shouldn't be
because...

- The brain is an organ,
just like the body.

- Right.
- And sometimes, yeah.

- And people feel ashamed,
and they shouldn't.

- Cameran, you suffer
from anxiety.

- Oh, yeah.
- Are--have you--

- And I've been
medicated before.

- You have?
- [soft laugh] Yeah.

- I feel pretty sh--y
at the moment

because even though
I always had her back

during times of conflict,
that doesn't mean

I was necessarily there
for her all the time.

Having someone's back
doesn't mean just, like,

telling, you know,
Whitney to piss off.

But it also means, like,
making sure that

they're doing okay
every day, so.

- And I think
Kathryn's depression

has been circumstantial.

I think anybody who has
gone through the bullsh--

that you have gone through
is probably gonna come out

and have some--
I mean, you're not--

you're gonna be not normal
if you don't.

You know?
I mean...

- To have evolved to
the place that I'm at now

and you guys recognize that

and then be there for me

even though I was
kind of crazy

for, like, two or three years--
[soft laugh]

it means more to me than...
- We're all human.

- It happens.
- But see, like--

- It kind of makes it real.
You're like, "Sh--"...

- I know.
- And the courage.

- We all have our bouts
of doing things

in ways we wish we wouldn't.

Um, drugs and alcohol.

I can relate to--to--
being too crazy

and staying up too late

and having a cycle happen.
- Yeah.

- And depression is
a part of that, or can be.

But I'm just happy to see

everybody very supportive
of Kathryn.

That's all.
- Yeah.

Well, after last year's
liver scare,

Shep moved from downtown...
- [soft chuckle]

- To the quieter, gentler
Isle of Palms.

So now he can brown out
on the beach

where the sand is
softer to face-plant on.

[laughter]

Colin from Raleigh said,
"Shep, what the hell

"is the difference between
blacking out and browning out?

Either way, it sounds like
you're still drinking too much."

- Um, "browning out" is like
you have snapshot memories

of little things that happened
over the course of the night.

Blacking out is like
"what the hell happened?"

- So is your doctor happy
with your drinking progress?

- I hadn't gone to see him
in a bit.

I feel fine, I really do.

I mean, Austen,
you don't see me downtown

half as much, right?

- I mean, anything was better

than what the hell
that you were doing.

I mean...
- [chuckles] Yeah.

- You don't stay
downtown anymore,

which is a big improvement.

But, I mean,
he was just showing me his phone

and the women he's got--
I mean...

- So?
No, I'm not talking about women;

I'm talking about lifestyle.

- How many times a week
do you get laid?

- [chuckles] Oh, uh.

Depends on where I am.
Um.

- Four?
- [stammers]

I'm gonna get in trouble
for this.

- I know.
- I was gonna say four.

- No, no.
- Between four and six.

- No, no, no.
- Absolutely, Shep.

- Austen, we think four to six?

- I think four to six, yeah.
- You're crazy.

You're crazy.
- That's a lot.

- I mean, I'm jealous, sh--.

- I can't believe you've
not got anybody pregnant.

You might be sterile.
- Do you use birth control?

- I mean, I--I try to,
I really do.

- [laughs]
- "Try to."

- Does that mean a condom
or you pull out?

- Condom. Condom.
- You do use a condom?

- If I c--if I--yeah.
- Shep.

- You do?
- Shep.

- I mean, if I know them,
I maybe don't.

- I can't.

- I had no idea that
you got that many girls.

- And you don't have--
you're clean?

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- It's amazing.
It's a miracle.

- Let's jinx him up the wall.

He'll have four babies next week
and have every STD.

- Don't jinx it.
- [soft laugh] God.

- Well, it was fun to watch you
on "RelationShep,"

your dating show.
- Yeah.

- Uh, Elle from Tucson said,
"On 'RelationShep,' I thought

you had a great, grown-up
connection with Priscilla..."

- Can I save you
from this horrid world?

- You want to?
- [laughs]

[smooth electronic music]

- "But you ended up
picking the 22-year-old..."

- What's your longest?

- A year and a half.
- When was that?

- 2004?

- So I was in fourth grade.

[both laugh]

- "It doesn't seem like
you really want

a committed relationship."

I mean, let's be real.

You don't want
a committed relationship, right?

And there's no crime in that.
- Well, no, there's not.

And I see all the clichés
in front of me,

and I fall--trap--
right into them every time.

- You're 38 years old.
- Yeah.

- And you just threw
your first dinner party?

- [tsks] No.
Well...

- We got a lot of tweets.

"Fricking frack grilling
is more entertaining than

all the housewives combined."
- "Fricking frack."

- "How many privileged idiots
does it take to grill ribs?"

- You said you were
a grill master.

- Is this normal grilling?
- Essentially.

You should know that
you have to turn over ribs

and cook both sides.
- You--but you don't know.

- No, I don't.
- So instead of bullsh--ing...

- I'm not--
- I'm looking it up.

- I--okay, look it up.

- Right?
- Sure.

- 'Cause you don't know.
If you knew--

- No, no, I never
claimed to know.

- Um, Craig, have you
smoked any meat lately?

- I have not smoked
any meat lately.

- Damn.
- I know, right?

- You were so patient
with Craig this season.

- Yeah.
- What changed?

- Well, honestly, I'm not--
when I'm not hungover,

I'm just like...
- [laughs]

- Life is a--is just--is a gift.
- Right?

- Let's just laugh and have fun

and poke fun at each other.

So that's how I feel.

- Shep, next year
you're gonna be

officially middle-aged.

Your body's kind of
already falling apart.

Has your knee
fully recovered yet?

- Yes, my knee's in good shape.

- After your knee surgery,
Kathryn picked you up

and brought you soup,

which had a lot of people hoping
for a Shep-Kat relationship.

- Honestly,
I'd be lying if I said

I didn't look back
at our time together

all those years ago
and been like,

"Gosh, if this hadn't've
happened that way..."

- Yeah.

Shep.
- Yeah?

- Are you gonna teach me
how to surf?

- Right now?
- Perhaps.

- Yeah.
Love to.

[soft dramatic music]

- You seem to have
great chemistry.

- Physically it was
a lot of fun.

Yeah.
- You did hook up?

- She was really good.
- Oh--

[laughter]
- Oh, Lord!

- That's a--endorsement.
I'm sorry, right?

- It's a great compliment.
- Endorsement?

- The armoire hasn't shut up.
- Oh, my...

[laughter]
- Oh, yes.

[laughter]

- Now that that's out there.
[laughs]

- Um, how many times
did you hook up?

- Three? Four?
- Five.

[laughter]
- Oh, my God.

- I wanna know
how long it's been.

- That might have happened
after Kensie was born once.

- Yeah, she said in the show...
- Oh.

- Oh!
- Oh!

- She said in the show that
it was after Kensie was born.

- I didn't...

- No, that's, like,
we don't know that.

- It was a crazy night...
- That was a year after.

- We were at the Palace Hotel.
- Yeah.

- And we kind of were flirting.

- That's amazing.
- But at least I was nice.

I left before he woke up.

[both laugh]

- Um, I mean, look,

the night is young.

- There's always an annual.

- Yeah, your reunion hook-up.

- I know, you have
a reunion hook-up every year,

it seems like.
[laughter]

Coming up...

Does anyone with a penis

besides me in this room
have any ambition?

- [laughs]

- Back with

- Back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Shep, when you were
in Hilton Head,

you told your mom you were
working on

lengthening your fuse
and becoming less angry

because you didn't want to be

an angry old guy.
- Correct.

- When you live alone,
it's very easy to become

selfish with your time
and your space and everything

because you don't have to
answer to anybody.

Nobody's gonna call you out.
- Yeah.

I'm a really--normally
congenial, happy person,

and I found myself
not doing that.

So I think I--I think
I'm trying to rectify it.

I mean, I just--
I hate myself when I'm--

when I can be mean-spirited
sometimes.

And I think some people
have seen me mean-spirited.

You're ----ing nuts, man.

I wouldn't piss on you
if you were on fire right now.

You do you; I'll do me.

That's from now on.
'Cause I don't really care.

I got a million friends.
Don't need any more.

- So that's what's gonna happen?
- Yeah.

- You know, at night, Shep,
I mean,

we used to run into each other
and we'd be like,

"Stay away from me.
Stay away from me."

- Well, remember
how we'd get into, like,

screaming matches...
- Right. Sure.

- With somebody
about nothing at all.

- I mean, it sounds silly, but
I moved home for a little bit,

when I was living downtown.

And then when I
came down to live with her,

like, moving out of downtown's
why I can live in Charleston.

- Yeah.
- Downtown is just--it's not...

- Wow, I need to go downtown.

- That's why we tell you
to come downtown.

- It's like
living on Bourbon Street.

- Yes, yes, it's Bourbon Street.

It would be like
living on Bourbon Street.

- Um, you got some heat
from your castmates

when you called out Austen...
- Yeah.

- For partying more than you do
these days.

- Austen is...

I mean, he's what I was
two years ago.

Downtown.
Lot of girls.

Whatever, I just--I don't
get any pleasure from that.

- Uh, Charlotte from
El Paso said,

"Shep, what's up
with you and Austen?

"You can't seem to pass up
an opportunity

"to one-up him.

Is it that you're still
salty he took Chelsea from you?"

- [stammers] Jealousy
was a factor, and here's how.

I dropped him off
the night before--

I had something to do
early in the morning,

and I dropped him off
at a bar.

And I went to do my thing
and Austen--

I called Austen, he's like,
"You missed the most epic night!

There was girls everywhere!"
And I was like, "Sh--."

So when I saw Chelsea,
I was a little bit like

"Yeah, Austen's
having a lot of fun--"

but it came across bad.

And that's the worst move
in the world,

is to talk someone else down.

It never works.
So I do regret that, yeah.

- Rachel from Honolulu said,
"Chelsea,

"I get why you wanted
Austen to stand up to Shep.

"Being is assertive is what
separates the boys from the men.

And who wants to
be with a pushover?"

Chelsea, was your issue
more about

Shep getting away with stuff or

Austen not
standing up for himself?

- I think it was more

Austen not
standing up for himself.

- Mm.
- And the thing is is...

- Mm, I mean, Chels', you have
like a short-term memory?

- People think that I've put
you guys against each other--

- I mean, do you not remember
last year?

I mean, I got into
the biggest tiff with Shep

on your behalf,
and it caused a serious rift

in--in our friendship.

And so for you to say that
I didn't stand up to myself--

whatever, so be it.

Shep said that he was sorry

and--and my point of contention
was, like, "Hey!

"Just like don't try to
make yourself look better to me.

Like, just keep my name
out of your mouth."

And then he was like, "Look,
I never should have said it.

And I'm sorry."
And that was squashed.

- No, but, like--

I don't know, Chelsea,
did you see it--

- I think there's something
between the two of you,

and it's almost like
you're each trying to, like,

win someone over
that's in your same group.

And so you two
butt heads over that.

- You don't have to tell him
everything I say, by the way.

- I don't think it was that.
- I think that--

- I just think that--
- I walked up to her--

- The conversation
I had with you,

and then I had a conversation
with him

ten minutes before
you walked in the door

were very different.

- Oh, he was painting himself
as the choir boy of downtown?

- Yeah, I said...
- Ooh.

- "Shep's about to come in
and get a haircut."

And he was like,
"Oh, we were out till

"all hours of the night
last night.

We had a rager."
- And in fact--

- And then you came in and said
you were home by 9:00.

- It was the night before.
- So I was like what's going on?

- I don't know.
- It was the night before.

- The timeline's difficult.
- "The timeline's difficult."

- [chuckles]

- So, Austen,
when we started this season,

you were funemployed

and cracking beers open by noon.

Uh, is that still the case?

- Uh--ah--no.

- Are you funemployed?

- Uh, well, I don't know,
you know,

necessarily what "funemployed"--

- Do you have a job?

- I do not have a job, no.

- There we go.
- Okay. No.

- [soft laugh]

- Does anyone with a penis

besides me in this room
have any ambition?

- [laughs]

- The ambition is to not work.

- [laughs]
- Literally.

- Okay, now I get it.

So you don't have a job.

What's the status of your beer?

- Well, I am in
the stages of branding...

- Kay.

- And pitching to distributors

so that my beer can be
distributed throughout.

- Do you have a name
for your beer?

- The beer tentatively
is called "TropHop."

So tropical hop.
- I like that.

- I like it. TropHop.
- That's cute.

- You know, your parents were
very popular on social media.

- Yeah?
- I love your mom's attitude.

She seems very no-nonsense.

- She's kind of a--
she's no-nonsense.

You took the words
right out of my mouth.

- Austen, I'm gonna tell you...
- I'll tell you something else--

- Hold on. I get to talk.
Hold on.

- Her phrase, she's like
"Cut the sh--."

- Right.
- I'm like...

- And your dad was in the FBI.

- He was, yeah, yeah.
- Wow.

Billy from Fort Myers says,

"How much beer
does Austen have to sell

in order to pick up
the check on a date?"

- [chuckles]

- Um, why didn't you ever
pay for anything

when you were dating Chelsea?

- This is a fantastic question,
and I would love to

clear the air on this.
- Okay.

- Yeah, Chelsea and I--

we didn't go out on dates.

Chelsea, trying to get you out
of the house is pulling teeth.

'Cause she's a very
early-to-bed pers--

you know, so, she'd be like,
you know,

"Let's go somewhere,
like, at 6:00."

- Okay, so is there
no check at 6:00?

- Like we go get taco--
no, no.

The only time
that I can remember

Chelsea picking up my check
is--is one time

at Pancito & Lefty.

That is the only time that--
- Um, Xiao Bao Biscuit.

Um...
- Please.

- That taco place.

- Okay, and Chels',
when we're sitting there,

but you would...

- Grab for the check first?

- Boom!
Like lightning.

- Honestly, I don't mind

picking up a bill
every now and then.

I don't feel like I'm
one of those girls that's like

"You have to
pay for everything."

But it was more like
how he went about it.

Like, he was never like,
"No, no, let me get it."

It was always like...
- Really?

- "Oh, yeah, sweet."
- Really?

- Yeah.
- Oh, okay.

- You were overly
sensitive about it.

- And only because, like,
past boyfriends that I've had

would never, ever
even think about

letting me pay for a bill...
- Sure. And that's what I'm--

- If it were the two of us
out to dinner.

- Austen actually
tweeted at you...

She really took you to town.
- I know, man.

- Is there anything else
you want to clear up?

- I just feel that

you know, I mean,
congratulations to everyone here

that knows exactly what
they wanted to do from day one.

You know what I mean--
- I didn't.

- I know that, Chels'.

I didn't want to work for,
you know, someone else,

so I am trying to find my way
and go on a different path.

Like, I'm working, you know,
for peanuts.

- Can I just tell you, like,
as someone who isn't

fortunate enough to have
a family that will just

front them the money for
something that they want to do,

it's frustrating for me

because you have it;
it's all right there.

Just pick what you want to do.

Here's the backing
from your family.

- Uh, yeah, I wish
it was that simple.

[soft dramatic music]

- All right, let's take a break.
We'll be right back.

Coming up...

- She hears all the gossip.

- Do you hear about Thomas?

- Um.
- Speak--speak the truth.

- Yeah, just--just say it.
Say it.

♪ ♪

- You know, I think

- You know, I think
about things all the time,

what I should have said,
what I would say

if I got a chance.

And, you know,
I'm getting my chance now.

And now I'm nervous.
[soft laugh]

[inhales] Now I'm nervous,
so here's the bracelet.

Just try to be the best...
[inhales]

person I can be.

[tsks]

[upbeat jazzy music]

- We are back on the front porch

with the kids from
"Southern Charm."

Well, Chelsea's heart
hemmed and hawed

at the possibility of more
than a friendship with Austen.

But until she finds
the manly man she's looking for,

she's content hanging with
her main dog...

[together]
Tyson.

- Um, how is Tyson?

- He's awesome.
- He's a rescue?

- He was actually--
ran in Mike Vick's

circle of dogfighting, so...
- Wow.

- He was used as a bait dog.
- Wow.

- And I rescued him
from Canton, Georgia,

from the head of the SWAT team.
- Wow.

Do more people book appointments
with you at the salon

because of the show?
- Yeah.

- So I'm assuming your busines--
- She hears all the gossip.

She hears all the gossip.
- She does?

- I hear more about
stuff going on...

- She knows more
than all of us do.

- Really?
- I do, yeah.

- Yeah.
- I hear everything.

I've heard on him
being on Tinder dates

out in Kiawah.
- What?

- Do you hear about Thomas?
- Um, yeah.

I have some clients
that live on Daniel Island

and they've seen
him and Ashley around.

- [soft laugh]
- Doing what?

- Um.
- Plotting.

- Speak the truth.
- Yeah, just--just say it.

Say it.

- Well, I had a client that saw

Thomas and Ashley
outside arguing

back and forth
to the point that

he had thrown
his leftover food at her...

- Oh.

- And say, "You're
gonna send me back to prison!"

- Wow.
You hear it all.

We saw a very emotional
side of you

after you visited
the house where you grew up.

You said in that house
your entire world

was turned upside-down
after your step-dad died.

- I have, like, pictures of

my step-dad, like,
pushing me down this driveway.

God damn it.

I can't.

[sniffles]

This is why I struggle
with, like--

or why, I guess,
I'm independent

because, you know,
she relied on him for so much.

And like that he was gone.
[snaps fingers]

And she had to work three jobs

to, like, put a roof
over our head.

- I'm sorry, Chels'.

- Do you think that
because of your step-dad

and the lifestyle he gave you
that you

subconsciously seek out
men that are good providers?

- No...
- With the exception of Austen?

- I don't--
[laughter]

I don't really seek men.
I don't.

- So do you think that

because of what happened
with your step-dad

you are a provider for yourself?

- Yes.
- You do?

- I think now, as an adult,
I can look back and see

what my mom went through.

And I've just tried to
learn from that

and not put myself
in the same situation.

- I can't tell if
you're being truthful

about your feelings
about Austen,

and neither can the viewers.

Uh, Jenna from LA said,
"Chelsea is full of sh--.

"She pretends
she doesn't want to date Austen,

"but she's all over him every
single time they're together.

Mixed messages much?"

[snickering]

Austen, do you think that she's
sending you mixed messages?

- [sighs] Gosh, I mean...
- Yes.

- I wish that
I could answer this.

100%, sure, yes.
- You do? You do?

- Sure, I mean--
- Yeah, of course.

- Have you hooked up

since you stopped dating
last season?

- No.
- No?

- No, nothing.

- So you got back with Victoria

after you realized that

it was not gonna happen
at all with Chelsea?

- Yeah, it just kind of, like,
felt good to feel like

I was wanted by somebody,
you know?

And this girl, she just
really wanted to be with me.

You know, and I was like,
why am I pushing something away

or pushing someone away that,
you know,

really wants to be with me
and that

I could maybe
have something with?

- I like Victoria.
We had a lot of fun together.

Um, I think--
- [snorts]

- No-no-no--
[indistinct talking]

No, the three of us,

the three of us
had a lot of fun together.

- Yeah.
She is a fun-time girl.

- She was out with us.
She was one of the guys.

- Stop doing that, when you're--
- Oh, sorry.

- This does bring something up
that I am curious about.

Have you and Austen

ever been with the same woman
together...

- At the same time? No.
- At the same time?

- Oh, gross!
- No, no hesitation on that, no.

- Wait, do--do...

- Okay, just curious.

- Two girls, one guy, fine.
Two guys, one girl, not fine.

- Yeah, two guys, one girl,
that's just...

- What? [laughs]
- Okay.

That doesn't mean that you
would have touched each other--

- I know, I know.
- It doesn't make you gay

if you did that.
- You're right, Andy.

Hey, I'm okay with that.
- No, we did not.

- Why would you want to
be around another penis?

- Wait, did you hook up with her
before or after?

- Before.
- Before.

- It was PG-13.
It was not rated R.

Let's put it that way.

- Chelsea, a lot of viewers
thought your behavior

towards Austen
was inappropriate.

Glen from Scottsdale said,

"Chelsea, I don't care
if it was cold.

"How would you feel
if you were dating Austen

"and you saw Victoria
cozying up to him,

grabbing his arm and putting
her face in his nook?"

- I don't know.
I just feel like, social media--

you can, like, see this
little glimpse of something

and your head can go in
so many different directions.

And in that moment,
it felt extremely innocent.

- Well, let's
talk about the hug.

- Right, let's.
[soft laugh]

- Hi!
- Hello.

- Hi.
- [soft groan]

- [soft groan]
I'm heavier than I look.

- Terry from Brooklyn said,

"Chelsea's legs are
wrapped around his crotch.

Just friends, my ass!"

- I mean, what
a great hug it was.

I want a hug like that.

- I hugged him
and he lifted me up.

And my natural reaction
was just--

- Oh, no, I mean, it looked
very sultry and wonderful.

- Yeah, I think
they have a natural chemistry

and I mean...

- How can you deny...
- I was like super proud of...

- How can you deny
that that was a flirty hug?

- Yeah.
- No, it--it--

it--it was.
Watching it, yeah.

- Yes.
- [chuckles]

- Well, even though you guys
weren't together this season,

viewers still seemed to
love you as a couple.

"Austen and Chelsea
are 2018's Ross and Rachel.

And we all know it!"

"Austen and Chelsea
will 200% get back together.

They're just too cute together."

Does anyone here agree?

- They'll never get back toget--
- No.

- Austen is--
- No.

- If Chelsea had Austen back,
he would go.

But Chelsea doesn't want to.
But I've always said that.

- No, don't say that...
- Craig.

- And that's why you were like--
- I never said that.

- Craig in your infinite wisdom.
- Don't say that.

- No, it is!
- I think it's misguided.

- If we went back
about a month or two ago,

it would be a lot easier answer,

because he's dating someone now.

- So you have a girlfriend now?
- I do.

- And have you met her?
- Oh, yeah.

- We all know her.
- She's great.

- Yeah, we all know her.
- Everyone here knows her.

- She's not a friend of
Chelsea's, is she?

- I can finally say
that no one here--

- Is she a friend of Chelsea's?
- We're friends.

But we're not--not like--
- No.

- She wasn't in your circle?
- Like, it's not weird.

It's not weird.
- Yeah-yeah-yeah.

- And she hasn't hooked up with
anyone in this group.

- Yet.
- Not now.

- You are not seeing anyone?
- No, I am.

- You are seeing someone?

- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

- Have you all met the guy
that Chelsea's...

- No, he's mysterious.
- No, but we're going to!

- So--okay, so he's not
in Austen's friend circle?

- No.
- No.

- Wow.
- Right.

- So you're both--okay,
so you both

kind of moved on--
- He's not from Charleston.

So I think that's good.
- That's good.

- All right, Romeo and Juliet,

we'll leave it there
and we'll be right back.

Coming up...

How did you react
when you found out

that Thomas
had slept with Kathryn?

[dramatic music]

[suspenseful music]

- She's so unpredictable.

- She might double-down.

- Triple-down
is what we call it.

- She might triple-down.
- It's the Ashley triple-down.

- Okay.

[indistinct chatter]

- You guys can do it.
You guys can do it.

- She made it.

- How painful was
that four hours?

- Oh, Andy, there's so
many times I thought of running.

♪ ♪

- We can see the finish line.

- Oh, sh--, sh--.

- Where's Craig?

- I was doing my pants again.
[mutters] Come on.

- Put your pecker in.
Sit down.

- I'm trying.

- Three, two...

♪ ♪

- Back with the
"Southern Charm" reunion.

When Ashley came to town,

she traded in her scrubs
for Chanel.

And while she would argue
that getting Thomas Ravenel

to marry her as a full-time job,

she wound up spending
most of her free time

poking the mama bear.

Hi.
How are you?

- Hi.
Thank you so much for having me.

- It's nice to meet you.
- Appreciate--

nice to meet you too.

- Nervous?
- Could you tell? [soft laugh]

- A little bit?
- I'm just trying to not--yeah.

- You been watching the show
this season?

- Yes, I have.

- How has that experience been?

- I think that if
people understood my... humor,

and they understood that
I tend to like to poke

and tease
and get a rise out of people,

if they understood that, then...
- I think people understand--

- They wouldn't have
taken me so seriously.

- Okay, um, I know
a lot of people on social media

have been concerned
about your weight loss.

You look--you look different
than you looked on the show.

- Yes. The pressure of filming
made me nervous, Andy.

It would be hard for me
to eat before, because

I was so nervous
about what to expect.

And then afterwards,
I had a hard time even

eating, going,
"Oh, I shouldn't have said that.

I should have said this."
And it caused a lot of stress.

I put a lot of pressure
on myself, so.

- But I mean--but you haven't
been filming for a while.

- Okay, so--

so you have to add

allegations,

and you've got
people saying anorexia

and you've got, you know,
I'm the villain, so.

It didn't just
happen overnight, so.

- Tell me about
the first time you met Thomas

in Santa Barbara last year.

- So, I mean, the first time
we ever started speaking,

he asked me
what did I do for a living.

And that was the first--
he--first question.

He said, "What do you do?"
And I said, "I'm a nurse."

And he said,
"Oh, my sister's a nurse."

And right then I thought,

"How nice that he's interested
in hearing about that."

And I thought, "There's
some depth here," and that's--

- I mean, that's not
an uncommon question.

- No. But--
- "What do you do for a living?"

- Right.
But he was very impressed by it.

- [snorts]

- What is he like
as a boyfriend?

- [tsks] Yeah.
He's very romantic.

And he really does take
really good care of me.

I enjoy--

he's funny.
We laugh.

I love scaring him.
I love pranking him.

I love, um--
- Scaring him?

- [soft laugh]
Yeah, scaring him.

I had little bugs under his--
fake bugs.

I jump out behind doors
constantly.

The other day, I was
in the shower and he's like,

"I'm gonna get you,"
and he just opens the curtains

and scares me, so, yes.

- The old Bates Motel treatment.
- Yeah.

This is our life.
We just like to have fun.

We try to keep it fun.
- Kay.

- Yes.

- How is Thomas doing
in light of

the, uh, investigation?

- I have seen a new Thomas.

I mean, it's humbling,
of course.

And now he's "Let's stay in.

"Let's watch movies.
Let's cook dinner.

Let's just stay
under the radar right now."

And I've just seen a--

a much softer,
a more sensitive,

kinder, more supportive
boyfriend.

You know, everyone
wants to be with you

when you're on top, you know?

But it's who's with you
when you're down there.

And I--I've told him,
I just said,

"I'm not leaving."

- Do you expect him
to be cleared?

- Of course, yes.

And it's all hearsa--
I mean.

He's not been charged
with anything.

These are just allegations.

- You--
- So it used to be,

you know, you're--you're
innocent until proven guilty.

Now you're guilty
until proven innocent.

- Kathryn, you admitted to Craig

that you and Thomas
hooked up again

after the season four reunion.

- I don't think
I've told you this, but

when we were in New York,
Thomas and I...

- So you guys--you and Thomas
hooked up that night?

- Yeah.

[playful music]

- At least you didn't
get pregnant this time.

- [laughs]

- So I was surprised
that the two of you...

- Yep.
- Slept together that night.

[laughter]
- It's tradition.

- Yeah, I don't know,
it's an annual thing.

It's an annual event.
- So...

- Is that bad?
Does it matter?

- No, I mean, so I want to
get the timeline right.

Thomas started dating Ashley
in May of last year.

Kathryn, we shot the reunion
in June of last year.

At the time,
did you have any idea

that Thomas was dating
someone in Santa Barbara?

- No, I did not.
- No.

How did you react
when you found out

that Thomas
had slept with Kathryn?

- Oh, Thomas told me in July.

- He did?
- Oh, yeah.

He does not lie.
He tells--he's straightforward.

- Kathryn, you met Ashley
for the first time

at Shep's birthday party.

What did you
know about her going in?

- I really didn't know much
other than

there was a girl that
he was supposedly dating,

casually or whatever.

- What had you heard
about Kathryn?

I'm assuming plenty.

You had seen the show.

- I was really scared.
Yeah.

- Like, physically afraid
or just, like...

- Yeah, that too.
- [soft laugh]

- I've literally never,
like, touched someone like that

in my life,
so that's weird.

- What was your first impression
of Ashley

the night that you met her?

- I just thought you
were normal-ish.

- I don't know if you had--
- There you are.

- Meet Ashley.
- I've heard so much about you.

I know you know
nothing about me.

[playful dramatic music]

As the mother of his children,

I have nothing but respect
for you.

- Oh. Thank you.
- Yes.

Honestly, I--I felt the same way
when I met you the first night.

I thought that
the right thing for Thomas to do

was to have not been such a--

a wimp about it,
and told you,

and come out and straight-up
told you

that he has a girlfriend.
- Yeah.

And known about you before
you moved to Charleston

and met my children,
that would've been great, yeah.

- I met the children
before I moved to Charleston.

- Regardless.
That's even worse.

- And everyone--
well--

He has full custody of them,
Kathryn.

So they're gonna be
at his house.

- How long did you know him
before you met the kids?

- It was a week.
- So you think that was okay?

- Sure!
- Okay.

- Yeah, "You're adorable,
nice to meet you.

All right, Thomas,
we're leaving."

- Okay.

- At Shep's birthday party,

did you and Thomas
have sex in the bathroom?

- Hell no.
[laughter]

Do you actually
think that happened?

[dramatic music]

[distant indistinct chatter]

- Wanna come in here?

[lock clicks]

- [laughing]

You can do that.
That's okay.

- First of all,
Thomas doesn't do it

anywhere other than the bed,
let's just be real.

I've--he does not like to
do it anywhere else but the bed.

- I would be--
- Oh, that's kind of boring.

- Yeah.
- [laughs]

- Kathryn says that's not true.
- Yeah, whatever.

[laughter]

- I just would have
no other reason to go

into a bathroom at a party
with my boyfriend.

Like, I--I don't know what else
you would do in there.

- Well, I'm sorry, Naomie,
this was the first time

that I'm in public
with all of you guys

and a bunch of cameras,
and I thought I might have

a moment of privacy
with my boyfriend

to talk to him, so...
- Okay.

- I--I do apologize
if I was being disrespectful.

- No.
Have sex wherever you want.

- I have more class than that.

- Then I don't have any.
[laughter]

- Okay, we're gonna
take a break.

We'll be back with more
"Southern Charm" after this.

Coming up...

- God--I'm so sorry...
- Are you okay?

- That I asked you to want to
spend time with your children.

- That should be
Thomas' place, okay?

- Well, you should've
jumped through fire

to want to be there.
You could have been there.

- Back with

- Back with
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

Loretta from Akron said,

"Without passing judgment,
it's obvious that

"Ashley is
completely committed to

getting engaged
to Thomas Ravenel."

- Well, a ring would be nice.
[soft laugh]

Babe, this would be
a perfect place to propose.

I think this would be an ideal
place to have a wedding.

If you proposed to me tomorrow,
I would say yes.

I love you.

- Ashley, if Thomas
asked you to marry him today,

you--you would say yes, right?

- I'm not there yet.

- Really?
- Mm-mm.

- But you--what changed
in the last year?

Is it the investigation
that's keeping you?

- No, not at all.

I think once I started working
and I got a job...

- So you are working now? Yeah?
- Yes.

You know, I just realized

hold on, let's, like,
pump the breaks,

and let's actually just
enjoy dating each other.

- Well, a lot of people
online thought that

you got caught up
in Thomas' money.

Tinsley Mortimer tweeted,

"Ashley really, really wants
to be T-Rav's widow."

Uh, Ashley, is it
about the money?

- If I want to
date someone with money,

I can meet someone with a lot
more money than Thomas, okay?

That's not money to me.

I mean, I come from--
- He's the minor league.

- I come from--yeah.
Santa Barb--Montecito.

So that's--
- That's Oprah money, Montecito.

- Correct.
And I've dated guys my own age

with more money
than he has, okay?

So it's--
it's just because he's--

he's older and he's got money,
that's the stereotype.

And I think that's unfair.

And if you want to speak to
my last three ex-boyfriends,

one was a DJ, one was a
bartender, and one was a surfer.

And I made more money
than they did.

But is it nice, Andy, to,
you know,

be attracted to a man
who is accomplished

and has worked hard
for what he has?

I mean, if that's
what makes me a gold digger,

then--then fine.
Then fine.

- Um, Pauline from Boise said,
"Ashley, I felt bad for you

"watching the scene at Nico
where Thomas was

"flirting up a storm
with Kathryn.

What are you doing
with this douchebag?"

- Um, [speaking French]

- Je t'aime.
- [speaks French]

- I need another...

It didn't bother me.
I was standing right there.

- I thought his behavior
was inappropriate.

- Yeah. I felt awkward.
- I would've gotten pissed off.

- I thought it was--
the way he was leering at her--

I thought it was
bullsh-- on his part.

- He said "I love you"
in French to Kathryn.

- Yeah, I mean, that--
that's got to affect you.

You're a human being.
- It doesn't.

- Oh, come...
- I wish it did.

I wish I could say that,
but I feel so secure

in this relationship that
if he wants to go and do that--

- Back then?
- Yes!

- All right.
- Yes.

- So how's our new employee?

- This is about me, okay?

[indistinct chatter]

- This is kind of a cool idea.

- Don't stare.
- Don't stare?

- [laughs]

- Jeez.
- Why not?

- I'm not insecure.

I know he's coming home with me.
I don't--I don't care.

- You had to have known
that it would upset Kathryn

to see a picture of you
and Thomas and the kids

trick-or-treating on Instagram.

- Yes.
- So...

- I didn't post the picture.

- Who posted it the picture?
- Thomas.

- Thomas posted the picture.
- Yes.

But, Kathryn,
you could have been there.

I asked you. You didn't
even give that a shot.

- Why are you asking me
and inviting me?

- Oh, I'm--
- What place, like, do you have?

- Oh, God, God. I'm so sorry...
- Are you okay?

- That I asked you to want to

spend time with your children.
I'm so sorry.

- That should be
Thomas' place, okay?

- Well, you should've
jumped through fire

to want to be there.
You could've been there.

- On the other hand, you can
see why she wouldn't want to go

trick-or-treating with her ex's
new girlfriend and the kids.

- I didn't need to be
trick-or-treating with them.

I could've been--sit in
the house, handing out candy.

- Do you believe that?
- No.

- Ashley, how did it feel
when Thomas suggested that

Patricia give you
a Charleston makeover?

Any regrets on spending
ten grand of his money?

- Absolutely.

When he asked
Patricia to take me out,

I didn't know if
Gwynn's was picking it up.

Certainly didn't think

my boyfriend's credit card
was picking it up, okay?

So--
- Didn't you bring it with you?

- Of course I did,
'cause Thomas said

"Just in case they don't--

I don't want you
to look like an idiot."

- You're a girl that's been
dating this guy for two months.

You just spent
ten grand on his credit card.

Like, you could have put
two and two together,

how that would have looked.

- Well, and then I was gonna
return it tomorr--

the next day, Craig.

- Did you return it?

- No, 'cause Thomas
said "You deserve it.

"You've earned it and Patricia--

if Patricia loved it,
then I love it."

- How did you earn it?
- So I don't like that you're--

- What does that mean?

- I've never seen Thomas--
he's so frugal.

As, like, nice of a house
he lives in

and as nice as he dresses,
he's a very frugal person.

- Maybe with you, Kathryn.

- Oh, okay.
- Yeah, maybe just with you.

- Wow.
- No.

Maybe with--yeah.
- Okay.

I guess I wasn't deserving
of the nice things, huh?

- Well, he did give you
two children,

so he gave you something.
Yeah.

- I didn't give him
the children, lovely.

This is all making sense.
- You got two kids.

- You're just so... [muttering]
I can't.

- Patricia was really
a mentor to you

and she was rooting
for your relationship

throughout the season.
- Yes.

- What's your relationship
with her now?

- There's no relationship
with her.

- What happened?

- She was inciting me to go

against you, Kathryn.

- What does that mean?

- She asked me how
Thomas and I were doing.

And I said great.
And she says, "Good."

She goes, "It might be
kind of selfish, but

"I want to see you guys together
just for the fact

that Kathryn can't
try to get him back," okay?

I--[stammers]
my one biggest regret--

can you look at me
when I'm talking to you?

- Oh, yeah, sorry.
Distracted.

- My one biggest regret

was going on that shopping trip
with her,

when I should have
gone with you.

- That's your...
- That's your biggest regret?

- Biggest regret?

- Yeah.

- So if you could
change one thing,

that's what you would change?
- Yeah.

- What happened
between you and Patricia

to turn it south?

- Well, someone was
calling Thomas a lunatic.

And everyone was pretty much
saying it's Kathryn.

And when I realized
it was this other person...

- Someone else.
- That she's familiar with...

- Patricia?
- Yes.

- I told Patricia,
Thomas is hurt.

What do you
have to say about this?

- This is on social media
you're talking about?

- Yes.
- And then Patricia said?

- Yes.
"Oh, you're crazy to think that.

"Kathryn is this person.
She is this troll.

"Here's this account.
Block this account.

Here's the one--"
And I'm going--

- This is all
about social media?

- Oh, my God.
- Yes.

This is how it started.
- Wait a second.

I--I observed on social media
you and Thomas

systematically sabotaging
your relationship with Patricia.

- Yeah.
- With certain tweets.

Thomas said, "Why don't you
go back to New York,

Miss Queen of Southern
Gentility?" to Patricia.

I was like...

- So this is what
the falling out was about?

- Correct.
- Okay.

- Because someone wrote
some bad things about Thomas.

I mean, Patricia's
not in charge of other people.

And--and that--there goes
the bridge, torched.

And, like, she had been
so good to him, man.

- [mumbles]
- So Thomas is not--

- In the face of
a lot of bullsh--.

- So Thomas is not
speaking to Patricia?

- Oh, no, it's over.

[dramatic music]

- Coming up...
- You're lucky you made it.

- Ooh, are you
threatening me now?

- No, I'm not.
- This is so interesting.

- I think you're lucky because
it would have counted as...

- Obviously.
- A fail if you didn't make it.

- It's none of your
----ing business to begin with.

- [indistinct]
So they stayed open for you.

- You're a complete asshole.

- Welcome back to

- Welcome back to
the "Southern Charm" reunion.

As if the Charleston waters
weren't choppy enough,

the crew packed up
their battered bodies

and emotional baggage
for a trip to Hilton "Headache."

- [laughs]

- Let's talk about
these injuries for a second.

Shep, you walked
into a glass door?

- Yes, I was at a party
and somebody was like,

"There's a basketball court
downstairs."

And I was like, "Yeah!"

And I run down the stairs,

and I'm talking smack
to everybody behind me.

And there's just
a floor-to-ceiling glass door

and I just ran right into it.

- Um, had you seen a doctor yet

for, uh, your finger
or did you get a splint at CVS?

- No, I went to the hospital.
- You did?

- Craig, it took you forever
to get it looked at.

- No, but I got a splint
from the hospital.

- The reason your thing's
mangled

is 'cause you waited too long.

- I gotta say,
I can't stop looking at that.

- They fixed it.
I just--yeah, whatever.

- But you know what?
I like to see that

you have a physical flaw.

- Thanks.
- Aww, Craig.

- Aww.
- Wow.

- [chuckles]
- Yeah.

- Um, Sacha from Austin said,

"Ashley, you were very insistent

"on being invited to
Saint's second birthday party.

"On what planet
do you think it's appropriate

for you to even ask?"

- It wasn't so much
about the birthday party.

It could have been any party.

It was more just
wanting to be included.

- In Hilton Head, they were
really making an effort to

try to make you included.

I mean, they invited you
horseback riding.

- But something turned.

- And it was very quick.

- You became feverishly obsessed

with this birthday party.

- Well, I already know
I'm not invited.

- Okay, so why'd you ask?

Are you trying to start
something with me?

- I already know, like,
ten years from now--

- You're probably not
gonna be here in a month, hon.

Sorry.
- All right.

I don't plan on going anywhere.

So get used to me.
- Okay, well--

- Yeah. I see those children
more than you see them.

[dramatic music]

- Kathryn, there was
an overwhelming response

from viewers about, uh, how you
handled yourself in Hilton Head.

"Wow, Kathryn exercised
incredible restrain.

"I would have punched Ashley
in the face.

"Those words to a mother
hurt deeply,

"especially one that's
recovering

and trying to gain
more rights to her kids."

"Ashley is literally the devil."

- You don't see how they
come back

after the weekend with you.
I--I see it.

- Tell me about it.
What's wrong with them?

- First of all,
they don't sleep.

- Because they see me
for two days.

- Well, that's what's
even scarier,

is you're gonna start
getting more time with them.

Yeah.
- Whoa, dude.

- I mean, it brought tears
to my eyes.

I mean, I sat there
and cried when she left,

because I just couldn't imagine

hearing the things that she said
and being,

you know, a mother
and loving her two children.

I just imagine
how I would handle that.

- I just remember

Danni was talking to me,
and so I was just

holding Kathryn's hand,
and she was trembling.

- How did you
keep your composure?

- I was thinking about,
like, my kids.

Like, I mean,
they're more important than

ever responding to someone who's
throwing accusations out there.

- Cameran, as a new mom,
what was your reaction?

- I didn't go to Hilton Head.
I watched as a viewer.

And I just sat there
with my mouth wide open.

I couldn't--
I couldn't believe it.

- Kathryn, Chelsea
went as far as to say

that Thomas and Ashley
weren't allowed back

in the house if
it made you feel uncomfortable.

- Yeah.
And I--I appreciated that.

I mean, it was scary
what happened.

- I was terrified.

I mean, there had come a point

where I thought he was
gonna jump the bench.

- Wait a second, hold on.
- Whoa.

- Did you just say
that it's up to Kathryn

if she can
stay in the house tonight?

You have no say so.
- Okay.

- So don't act like you do!
- Okay.

- Yeah, Shep and I got involved.

- You--you actually
didn't get involved.

- Yeah, we did.
- No.

- Yeah, we did. I told him--
- No, you didn't.

- Well, we actually got
a lot of tweets from people

wondering why the guys
didn't stand up.

I mean, Southern gentlemen,
my ass.

Somebody stick up
for poor Chelsea.

- I mean, I thought I did.
- Austen did.

- Austen did.
- I mean, I thought I did.

- He was right there.
He was like--

- No, you did.

- But women were even
coming at me being like,

"You didn't do sh--.
You just let her get yelled at

by some maniac."
- No.

- And I was like--

- How could he have
seen that coming?

- You know,
Thomas was seeing red.

You need to play that situation
very, very delicately.

- I mean, it's--it's scary
enough that you try to just...

Like, 'cause when he stood up,

I was like, "Oh, my God,
they're gonna fight."

- Well, he did stand up. Yeah.
- "They're gonna fight."

- Yeah, that was bad.

- Kathryn, you said "This is
the real Thomas that I know."

What did you mean?

- Sometimes whenever he gets

just completely, like, unhinged,

he shows a side of him
where the mask falls.

And he turns into
this person that

you just see black eyes.

And he's, like,
foaming at the mouth.

- He says the same about you.

- It's not normal for a man
to speak to a woman like that.

- He was worried about our saf--
where we were gonna stay--

- There's no--there's nothing
you can say to defend--

- Because he--I was
getting kicked out of the house,

and he was protecting me.

- And so--and so it was okay--
- He was worried about me.

- For him to say "Shut
the (BLEEP) up" to Chelsea?

- No, no, I'm not saying that--
- It's unexcusable on any level.

- I'm not saying that.
- Like have you ever seen

anyone else talk to a girl
like that ever?

- No, okay--

- Has he ever
talked to you like that?

Like, that concerns me.

- I think she's
terrified of him. I do.

- I'm not.
- I think you are.

I think you are.

- And how comfortable he was
just screaming like that.

- Well, you seemed to relish
in Thomas' rant.

- Ashley, don't go
smirking over there,

like you think you ----ing...

- Oh, you shut up, you enabler.

- Oh, (BLEEP) you.
I'm not an enabler, Ashley.

- Enabler. Enabler, enabler,
enabler, enabler, enabler.

- (BLEEP) you.
- Don't even look at me!

- Why were they enablers?

- I think as friends they should
help hold you accountable.

- Wait, what?
- Hold me accountable?

I've held myself
very accountable

in the last two years.

And for you to discredit that
by calling everyone enablers,

my friends, is pathetic.

- She's taking random drug tests
mandated by your boyfriend.

- I know.
- For--

- How many have you taken?
I mean...

- I--I don't even know.
- Four?

- I've lost count.
- In a year?

- Are you kidding me?
Probably 15.

He's asking me to--

- I--four.
Four.

- She just took one.
- That is an absolute lie.

- Four.
- I'm sorry.

- You lie.
- What am I lying about?

Everything's public information.
- Always lie, jeez.

- What would I be lying about?
Test me tomorrow.

- Jeez.
- Tell him to test me tomorrow.

- Jeez, you barely
made the last one.

You--what was it--
5:00 you had to be there?

And you made it, what 5:30?
- 'Cause I was working.

- Okay, well you couldn't--
- And I made it.

- You're lucky made it.

- Ooh, are you
threatening me now?

- No, I'm not. I think you're...
- This is so interesting.

- Lucky 'cause you would've--it
would have counted as a fail

if you didn't make it
- Obviously.

- If it's for the sake
of your children,

I would have been there
8:00 in the morning.

- It's none of your ----ing
business to begin with.

- They said they
stayed open for you.

- You really are so, like,

out of touch
with the fact that

you're a complete asshole.

[both snickering]

[playfully tense music]

♪ ♪

- Next, Andy.
- Um.

Okay, let's take a break.

Coming up...

Is there anything that
you said at that meal

that you regret saying?

- Do you want me to lie
and say I didn't mean it?

- We're back with the

- We're back with the
"Southern Charm" reunion.

Um, Jen from Valley Stream said,

"Chelsea, I was
scared for you when Ashley

kept repeating
your name on the staircase."

- [laughs]
- "Were you freaking out?"

- I mean, yeah.
- [laughs]

- You gotta rip the Band-Aid
off at some point, Chelsea.

I'm not going anywhere, Chelsea.
- I know, but I think--

- Chelsea, everyone moves on.

- Those children,
that's their mother.

- I accept that.
- And you said some evil sh--

about--about their mother.

- Just because
you give birth, Chelsea,

doesn't mean you're a mother.

Chelsea.

[dramatic musical flourish]

- That's a horrible thing
to say.

- I agree.

I was being a bitch.

- Um, Jackie
from San Diego said,

"Ashley, I found it concerning
that you felt no remorse

"after your outburst at dinner.

A simple apology would have
defused that whole situation."

Was anyone expecting an ack--
an acknowledgement

or apology from Ashley
about that dinner?

- I didn't think
they'd come back.

I thought it was super weird.
- Yeah, look.

You were kind of
emboldened by the whole thing.

Like, you were like,
"Now it's us against the world."

And you were kind of--I was
like, "Who is this person?"

- Is there anything
that you said at that meal

that you regret saying?

- Absolutely.
- What?

- I--I can't even--

I'm--I'm trying to be
genuine here,

okay?
- Kay.

- I can't defend myself

because my fav--
my behavior was indefensible.

Okay?
And it was frightenly scary.

I--I should have
pulled you aside somewhere else

and had a private
conversation with you

if I had any of these issues,
these problems.

I picked the worst time,
worst place,

and I apologize

that I didn't pull you aside
if I had these feelings.

- I'm glad that
you did what you did,

because you showed
your true colors.

- I was--I was wrong

for the time and the place
that I did that.

I was wrong.
I should never have--

- See, time and place.
- Place, not what you did...

- Yes.
- Or said?

- Not content.
So time and place,

but what about the content
of what you said?

- I should never
have brought it up.

But I'm not saying that
those aren't--weren't

still feelings that I...
was feeling.

- You know what really
hurts my feelings, is that

you're not sorry
for what you said to me.

- Right.
- That's the point.

- It's that you say that
you believe what you said.

- Yeah, you're saying
you're sorry you said it--

- It was very hurtful.
- So it's a backhanded apology.

- So you believe everything
you said at that meal?

- Yes.
- You do?

- [scoffs] There you go.

- Do you want me to lie
and say I didn't mean it?

- Do you receive your info
from one source, one person?

- Yes, she does.
- Wow.

- It's just brain--I mean, yeah.
- I know, it's sad.

- You can't blame her;
she's brainwashed.

- It's sad, Ashley,
it really is.

- Did it surprise you
when you watched the show?

He was selling you out
a little bit in his interviews.

He was saying,
"This is driving me crazy.

She won't stop
talking about this."

- He said you were a dog
chasing a chew toy, didn't he?

- He did.

- There's nothing worse
than being excluded.

- Yeah.

I find it annoying
she can't drop it.

Like a dog won't
let go of a shoe,

a rubber shoe,
just [grunts]

You know, just--
just let it go.

- Were you surprised
when you saw that?

- Yeah, I was.
- Was that a point of contention

between the two of you?
- Absolutely.

Absolutely, but he's in a--
he's--you know,

he's stuck between
a rock and a hard place...

- Right.

- With the mother of his
children and his girlfriend.

- So he was saying...
- Then don't be a rock.

- I even think it was uncool
for you to be like,

"Hey, I don't
have riding boots."

And then he was like,
"Oh, well Kathryn has hers."

- Yeah.
- I mean, it was like,

not cool.
- He was baiting you.

- Yeah, he said
a lot of messed-up stuff.

- Yeah, but he does it
to get a reaction.

- Yeah but that doesn't--
- That's ----ed up.

That's not normal!
- Why are you okay with that?

- I don't even think
you're aware of the fact that...

- I am.
- He's baiting you.

- It's just entertainment
to me, that's all.

That's all.
That's all it is.

- I think that's
what you tell yourself.

- No, that's not what I--
- You--you think--

he's baiting her?
- I think he's baiting her.

- I think it's like
old Kathryn is right here.

- It's the whole
Kathryn situation

all over again.
- You know what, you guys?

You don't know what happens
behind closed doors.

- I do, 'cause that's
the same sh--

- I can only imagine. It's gotta
be worse than what's on camera.

If it's anything...
- Don't judge.

Don't you dare judge
our relationship.

- I am--
- You don't even know.

- What are you talking about?

You had a million cameras around

and you acted deplorably.

I mean, what's said
behind doors, good Lord.

- Charleston's a small town,
Ashley.

And from what we hear,
y'all do not have

a happy, wonderful relationship.

Like, from what we hear,

it's pretty volatile
and not good.

- And not your fault.

- Chelsea heard he threw
some leftovers at you

in front of
a restaurant recently.

- No, he did not
throw it at me.

He was upset because
I was leaving.

And I handed him the food
and he was--

I--I was being a brat.

It was my fault.
I was being a brat.

- You just took the blame
for him yelling at you.

That's a horrible red flag.
- I think Ashley's--

- First of all,
that's not fair because

Thomas isn't here
to defend himself.

- In any situation.
- It's a red flag, Ashley.

- I got one question.

So the things--the things
that were said to Kathryn,

you're saying Patricia
gave you all that information.

Thomas never said a bad word
about Kathryn to you.

Is that--that can't be true.
- No.

That's--of course.

I've--I was hearing it from

so many different people.
- Everywhere.

- Okay.
- From everywhere.

- But what does it say
about a man who

talks poorly about
the mother of his children?

And he has said
horrible things about you.

About you.
- And on TV.

- To everyone here.

I mean, that--that
ought to make you feel like--

that--that would kill me,
I mean...

- No, because a lot has changed.

- That's denial.
- But you--it's not denial.

You're not with me.

- You're watching him
tell Whitney how much

it's gonna cost to ship you off.

- And you don't look healthy.

You're exactly
where Kathryn was.

- You're lying to yourself,
Ashley.

- Is this an intervention,
you guys?

- It seems like.
- Kind of!

- Yeah.
- Perhaps it's what it--

- It's not against you.
- This is an oppor--no.

We're--in a way,
we're kind of taking--

- We're trying to help.
- Trust my judgment.

- All right, that's fine.
- Please trust my judgment.

- We haven't seen--
- Please know.

That's all.
- Let me ask you this.

Does it not
give you cause for pause

that they've all kind of seen
this before with someone else?

- We've all seen it.
- I feel bad for you.

And I'm watching you
be me years ago.

And, I mean, I'm watching it
unfold right before me.

- And it's not just her.

It's how he's been a...
a not a nice person.

- I know, and we--we
all have our bad moments, okay?

A lot has changed.
- Ashley, I think you are...

- There's a lot that's happened
in the last few months.

- We're just
looking out for you.

That's all.
- Thank you.

- Telling yourself these things.
- No.

You're wrong.
- It's crazy.

It's like the twilight zone.
- Save yourself.

And go back to California.

And give yourself
a nice life while you can.

- All right.
We need to take a break.

We'll be right back.

Coming up...

- You are an unkind,
hateful, sadistic person.

And, unfortunately,
if you need to have this message

delivered to you like this,
I will deliver it.

- Well, it took five years,

but Patricia finally
extended an olive branch

and invited Kathryn
to her winter ball.

Uh, you two have had
a very public feud

for five years.

What do you think
actually started it?

- Now that I'm a mom,

I feel like perhaps
whenever I attacked Whitney

and told him
to fall on a knife...

- Relax.
You--you should relax.

- You should go home and
take lessons from your mother.

- You should go to bed.

- Who obviously
didn't raise you right.

- You should go to bed.

- Uh, you should go
fall on a knife.

Uh, probably didn't
go over so well with her.

- Have you and Patricia
been in touch since the ball?

- We have.
- Really?

- I actually ran into her
at a restaurant.

And one of the waiters
came up and said that

"Miss Altschul's downstairs.
She'd like to speak with you."

I was like, "(BLEEP)."

[laughter]

And I went down
and I sat with her,

and she just said,
"I want to apologize

"to you because
now that I have seen you

"transform--I've heard
a lot of things from Whitney.

"I feel really, really bad
for having, like,

said the things I said
without getting to know you."

- Wow.

- I mean, I'm pretty close
with Patricia.

And off-camera
Patricia genuinely does

feel sorry and...
- Mm-hmm.

- She looks at Kathryn
in a new light.

- Naomie, tell me about

the rumor that
you heard about Ashley.

- Thomas and Ashley are here.
Are they together? Not together?

What's the deal?
- There's a rumor.

- She's pregnant?

- No.
- Oh, God.

- Go the opposite tree.
- Opposite direction.

- [gasps]
She's a, um, an escort?

- Yeah.
- [yelps]

- A what?
What'd you say?

- Politically correct term,
Cameran, I love it.

- Calling someone an escort
is a pretty serious allegation.

- To be honest, I had
literally no problem doing it

because her behavior
was just so...

I mean...
Yeah.

My roommate has friends
in Santa Barbara,

and he has asked them
who is Ashley?

And they...
might have mentioned that.

Why are you looking at me
like that?

- That's disgusting.
Shame on you.

I--
Shame on you.

- So, Austen, why tell Thomas?

- Women can be nasty,
you know, but, they're like,

"I think Ashley
is like an escort."

[dramatic music]

- Well, that's not true.
No.

- I had heard it
from several people.

And if someone was saying that

about my girlfriend,
I would want to know.

- Did you believe it
when you heard it?

- I...

- She hasn't been working.

And--and then he said,
"I have also heard."

And I was like, "Okay, well,
like what's up with that?"

- And I know exactly
where that started.

It came from the person
that Thomas rejected.

- The ex-girlfriend?
- Correct.

- I was told by Thomas

you signed some kind of NDA.

So it all just seems
very business-like.

Just throwing it out there.

- You think it's
a business relationship?

- Well, I don't know.
I don't know what it is.

But there's question marks.
- No.

What are--where is this
coming from?

- He's told me that
you've signed an NDA.

- Where is this gossip
coming from?

- Thomas. Thomas.
- God, you're a liar.

- I based--
- You are such a liar.

I'm just repeating what you say.

- I wonder if he's scared

that she would, like,
testify against him.

He's let her get so close--

or too close,
that now he's just got to

deal with it, pay the rent,
and keep her here,

because he doesn't know
what she'll do.

So I didn't know if you
had ever threatened to, like,

you know, testify against...
- Never. I would never do that.

I--I'm better than that.
- Back then. Then why are you--

- It doesn't matter.
I have a conscience.

I'm a good--
I would never do that.

- So why didn't he
break up with you?

- Why didn't he
break up with me?

We never broke up.
- No, why didn't he?

- Why didn't he, he's saying.

- Oh, why didn't
he break up with me?

- Why didn't you
break up with him?

- Because...
- That's what I would have done.

- We see each other's
hearts and who we really are.

- She should be
breaking up with him.

- No, because there's more than
what you guys don't see.

- He told me
he doesn't want to leave you

because he doesn't trust
that you won't

go to the media
and do something.

- It's bizarre.
- I also feel, though,

that you might be crazy enough

to threaten him
if he were to break up with you.

- Well, you would know, Kathryn.

It takes one to know one,
doesn't it?

- I mean, I was shocked.

I looked on your social media
the other day.

I was like, "Surely
they're not still together."

Because it seemed like
you were about to break up

25 times on the show.

- Said, "Look, do I need to
send you back to California?

'Cause I'm not gonna
put up with this crap."

And when you come back, you'll
be a better person for it.

- If I do come back.
- Go ahead.

Maybe we should just
call it quits.

- [scoffs] Oh, my God.

- Like, he was about to go break
up with you in front of us.

- Okay, was this six months ago?
Seven months ago, five--

- It doesn't matter when it was.
- No.

A lot has changed since then.

- No, but in that moment.
- Okay.

I don't know.
That was--

it was a crazy time for me.

I wasn't even happy
in my own life at that time.

I didn't know where my place
in this world was in that time.

- So Ashley--
- I'm very secure now.

And you're not gonna be
invited to our wedding.

[laughter]

- Who here will be invited
to your wedding?

Anyone?

- You, Andy.

- Thank you.
- Will you officiate, please?

- [soft laugh] I w--
- [laughs] Oh, God.

- Um, Ashley, uh,

you went outside to apologize
at the ball.

And, uh, it quickly turned into

a nasty brawl.

What happened?

- Yeah, I actually went down
with, you know...

- Pure intentions.
- With the intentions--

yes, pure intentions.

- If those were your intentions,
then what changed?

'Cause when you sat down,
I mean,

you said even worse things to me

than you said to me
in Hilton Head.

- Don't forget your kids
were taken away from you.

Don't forget that.
Just be careful.

'Cause I know
a lot of information.

- You're threatening me.
- Yeah, I am.

Baby mama, stay out of it.

Go to find someone else
to go screw.

You're not a family.
- We are a family.

- No, you're a baby mama.

Go.
- Thomas...

- You're nothing
but an egg donor.

[dramatic music pounds]

- So you believe that Kathryn

is nothing more
than an egg donor?

- No.
I--I--I apologize for that.

- Well, what made you
feel that way?

- I felt attacked.

- Attacked? You attacked me.
- Yeah.

You followed--
you chased after us.

- No, you walked away.
You were like,

"Thomas, I'm gonna take you."
- Exactly! We walked away.

- And I was so offended...
- We walked away.

- And I had taken it
and taken it from you,

so much sh--,
said, you know what?

I want to say you to,
and I'll say it again,

as a mother, (BLEEP) you
for saying that sh--.

It's not okay
to say to any mother, ever.

And to just keep saying it

is so hurtful
and just beyond disrespectful,

I just feel bad for you that
you can't even see that.

And I hope that one day

if you are ever a mother,

you learn this.

'Cause I don't know what else

would teach you,
I have no idea.

It is so hurtful.

Those are my children.
You're around them.

You're taking videos of them.

And you say these things
about me and to me,

that is disturbing.

- I agree, Kathryn.
- It is so disturbing.

- But I also don't agree
with a lot of things

that you did in the past, okay?

- You don't know
anything about me

in the past at all.
- Oh, really?

Oh, I don't know that you
lost custody of your children?

- Well everyone kind of does.
- So what--is that--

- That's the past.
- You're blaming her for...

- No. No.
- Losing custody of her kids?

- Yes.
- I'm just saying that...

- Yes.
- There's still things that

I know, Kathryn,
that you're saying this

and you're preaching to me--
- I'm not preaching to you.

- I hope I never lose custody
of my children.

- Let me ask you this.
You've known her for how long?

A year, basically?

- No, not even that long.

- Less than that.
- Less than a year?

So in the time
that you've known her,

are there things
that she has done

that would bring you
to the point of saying,

"You're nothing more
than an egg donor"?

Or are you judging her
by things that

you've been told about her past?

- By Thomas.

- By Thomas.
- Yes.

- Yes.

But I would really love

to try to make it right
with you, Kathryn.

I really would love that.

- Things that have been said
are too bad to turn back from.

- You just said--but you don't
want me to be a liar either.

- So--okay,
that's the whole point.

- That's the point.
- Okay.

But that's why--
- You're saying--

that's--that's their point.

You've--you've said that

you still believe
the things that you've said.

- No, but that's why I need
to have

this conversation with Kathryn.

- You may have said everything
that there is to say.

- So you wait until
you're on TV, huh?

Mm.
- What do you mean?

- You want to hear
Kathryn's side of the story?

Basically, is that what you're--
- Ever?

- No, I don't want to hear
her side of the story.

But I would---
- Oh, my God.

- I would just, like--
I think that we can relate

to each other.

- What we're suggesting is

that you try to seek out

other information other
than from Thomas at this moment,

and you start
to maybe reevaluate

the opinions you have because...
- Your approach, too.

- And the way that you--yeah.
- Clearly there's not one pers--

- Right now, I would seek
more information

about Thomas than Kathryn.
- Yeah.

- Maybe the person
that you're hearing this from

is not telling you the truth.

And that's all we're saying.

The nicest way possible
is that you're brainwashed.

- Well, I will say this.

I really give it up to you,

because that might have
caused me

to get physical.
- Yeah.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- I don't know how
you walked away from that one,

as someone who I've seen
have anger issues...

- Yeah.
- And react impulsively.

- Honestly, watching it,
I was like, wow.

It just kind of, like,
confirmed to me that

I really have
gotten to know myself

and my self-worth,
and I act accordingly.

You were saying things

that I just
would never say to anyone.

As their mother,

I'd like you to
not be around my children,

because I feel uncomfortable
with it.

You are an unkind, hateful,
sadistic person.

And, unfortunately,
if you need to have this message

delivered to you like this,
I will deliver it.

Thank you. But that's all
I have to say to you.

'Cause this has been
so frustrating.

Done.

- Sorry you feel that way,
Kathryn.

- Do you have anything else
you want to say to her

before we wrap this up?

- Sorry you feel that way.

I would love to try
to make amends, I would.

I would.

- I think you need to focus
on loving yourself, okay?

- Ashley, thank you very much.
- Thank you.

- See you at the wedding.
- [laughs]

- We'll be right back.

[jazzy music]

- Step out of the floor, please.
Here we go.

[indistinct chatter]

[laughter]
- What a day.

- Yeah.
- That was different.

I mean, that was cra--crazy.
- I know.

- I mean,
we're worried about her.

- It takes a while
to get someone like that.

- Boy, Thomas isn't
gonna like it at all.

[dramatic music]

- It's really hard.

♪ ♪

They quest--they questioned
my judgment.

And they're not
living in my life.

They're not with us

24 hours a day.

They think I'm just brainwashed.

And maybe in the beginning
when I met him,

maybe I was
a little brainwashed.

And I guess that's what I get
for judging Kathryn.

I mean, Erin, it was even hard,
I mean--

apologizing, like.
[sighs]

I mean, maybe I didn't
make a clear enough apology,

but I still stood by
what I said.

It is really hard

to have walked in there
and feel like

have--having no support,
you know?

Because I don't--I think
Thomas deserves that too.

He's my best friend, and

I'm not ready
to throw in the towel,

despite what
everybody else says.

I'm really happy.

And, like, I said...

- No.

- In three, two...

- We're back with
our final moments

with the group from
"Southern Charm."

This season, there's been

a lot of dramatic ebbs and flows

and a hurricane named Ashley

that blew the wind out of
everyone's sails.

But the one thing
that's remained constant

is the solid friendship
between these charmers.

Are you the only people
in Charleston?

[laughter]
- No.

- Small town.

- You're not.
- Small town.

- Craig, do you think
you and Naomie

will be able
to maintain or build

a friendship
now that she's moved on?

- I mean, I hope so because--

but I know what I said today.

But, I mean, it's how I felt.

But, obviously,
if I could go back,

you know, I would
change everything.

- Does that make you feel good,

to hear he would
change everything?

- [sighs]
I guess.

I don't know,
I'm just asking you to respect

my relationship
and be happy for me.

- Shep, you've been a sounding
board to all of your friends,

particularly Kathryn.

Do you feel closer to her now

at the end of the season?

- I really do.

And she knows that
whenever she needs anything,

I'll drop whatever I'm doing
and, uh, help her out.

But you know what?
I just realized something.

I'm the oldest one here now.

Now that Whitney...
- Oh, yeah.

- Shep, I realized that earlier.
- Oh, God!

- I actually thought about that.
- Oh, no!

I'm like
the old man in the club.

- That's a whole new chapter.
- Wow.

- You're the elder statesmen.

Well...
- "The elder."

- Uh, Cameran,
has becoming a mom

given you more patience towards

dealing with your man babies?
- Yes.

Yes, absolutely.

- Chelsea, what is
the current state of

your, uh, friendship
with Austen

now that he's
in another relationship?

- We're great friends.

And he's happy
in his current relationship,

and I couldn't be
happier for him.

- Kathryn, you've allowed
cameras into your life

over the past five seasons

at the most personal, emotional,

and heartbreaking times.

And, uh, you've
come out of it on top.

And I think you deserve
a round of applause

for your restraint and...
- Hey!

[applause]
- Your change this season.

I mean, honestly.

Um, Austen, how long till we see
your beer on tap

at a Charleston bar?

- [sighs] Gosh, well.

A couple more hoops
I need to jump through,

but let's hope for end
of summer, beginning of fall.

- Okay, well, I'm excited

'cause we actually
get to taste it.

Let's bring it out.
- TropHop!

- Yes.
- Nuh-uh, really?

- Here it is, and...
- Nice.

- We have some Coke
for you to toast with.

Kay?
- Coca-Cola? I'm just kidding.

- Coca-Cola.
[laughter]

Wow, that's great.
That's the logo?

- It's a hop wearing a crown.
- Thank you.

- Shep, as our elder statesmen,

I would love for you
to make a toast.

- Okay.
- Oh, he's good at these.

- Um, okay, guys,
it's been five years.

Nobody could have dreamt this.
- No.

- How many more years,
we have no idea.

But cheers.
I love you all.

- I love you guys so much.
It's been fun.

all: Cheers.

- Cheers to you, Austen.

- Kathryn, to your restraint.

- Still want Austen
to say his toast.

- Okay, hold on,
hold on, hold on.

- Yeah, can Austen say his...
- Oh, yeah.

- Cheers to those
that wish us well

and those who don't
can rot in Hell.

- There you go.
- All right.

- Cheers, guys.
- Boom.

all: Cheers.

- That's a damn good beer.
- It's tasty.

- Hey, it's really good.
- It is good.

- Thank you, Andy.
- There's some citrus?

- I jumped through some hoops
to get this here for you.

So glad you appreciate it.
- Wow.

- So this is yours?
- I really like it.

- For more "Southern Charm,"
go to bravotv.com.

[bell dings]