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- Clearwater, Florida, is,
like, the Mecca of Scientology.
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That is where Scientologists go
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to receive the upper-most
coveted levels of Scientology.
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It is also the place
where Scientology
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is almost achieving
its goal of buying a town,
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make it a Scientology city,
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then use that as an example
for the rest of the world.
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- I am the writer of
the textbooks of Scientology.
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The aim and goal is to put man
in a mental condition
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uh, where he can
solve his own problems.
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- Without any
Scientology organization,
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things are not going to change
on this planet.
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- After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...
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- Leah Remini and her very
public break with Scientology.
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- Scientology, what they do.
Trying to destroy people,
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trying to destroy their
families when they leave,
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they create a lot of people
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who are willing
to fight against them.
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- Scientology takes
tax-free dollars,
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and ruins people's lives.
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- This is not the life
I want to live.
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I wanted to end my life.
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- Some people, it takes a year.
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Some people, it takes ten years
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of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated
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and made to think.
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- This season,
we really needed to focus on
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the reason why Scientology
is able
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to do the things that they do
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is because they have
tax-exempt status.
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- The people who have
bravely come on
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and told their stories
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have not told
those stories in vain.
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They are having an impact.
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- We're presenting
our case to the world.
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To the FBI, to the IRS.
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- The most important thing
that has to be done
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is the persistent telling
of the truth,
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and that's what you're doing.
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- You have to continue to fight.
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You have to continue
to fight for what's right.
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- I mean, it's not hard
for you to live here?
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- Not at all.
- Doesn't bring back any...
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Well, I guess
you have memories here
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that are now replaced...
- Well, that's true.
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- For yourself.
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It makes me uncomfortable,
because here we are,
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driving by, so now they know
we're filming here, you know?
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- Right.
- And now, they're going to be
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doing their bullshit
with us here.
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Like, oh, my God,
I'm getting emotional.
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I don't know why.
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- Leah.
- Huh?
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- I feel so bad
when you get so upset.
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I do.
I don't like it.
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- I was, I would say,
raised kind of normally.
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It was me and my mom
and my sister, Nicole,
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and we were born and raised
in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.
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And then, my mom and dad
got divorced.
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And Dennis came into
our lives, and he was funny,
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and we were happy to have him.
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And then, my mother and Dennis
got into Scientology.
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We were told that we were
going to go off
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to a very special mission
to clear the planet
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in Clearwater, Florida.
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My stepfather was going
to stay behind
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and sell everything that we had
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because we weren't allowed
to bring anything.
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We were leaving everything
to go and fulfill this mission.
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We go to Florida
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thinking we're going to
an amazing place.
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The Mecca of Scientology.
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And we arrived
to a run-down motel
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infested with roaches,
infested with rats.
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We were separated from our mom,
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who was, at the time,
eight months pregnant,
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and we were living in a dorm
with, like, eight other girls.
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My stepfather never came.
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He never came.
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Oh,.
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But I just kind of
pushed that aside.
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But my mom was alone,
we were alone,
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and we didn't have anybody
but the Sea Org now.
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The Sea Org was our family,
and our father, and our mother.
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And my little sister
was born there.
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My little sister, Shannon.
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Why I'm so emotional
about Clearwater.
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It, in a way, destroyed...
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a lot of this family
that we had.
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I just look at
all these families, Mike,
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you know, on the beach.
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Laughing and having a good time,
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and people having dinner or
lunch with their families.
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And, you know, there's people
at Flag right now
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like, working
very hard and very...
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"We got to get this done!"
You know?
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And having the mentality
that the planet...
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- Is depending on them.
- You know is dep... right.
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- And they're accomplishing
absolutely nothing.
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- Right.
They're giving up their lives.
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They're giving up
their family members
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because they've been
completely brainwashed
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and lied to
about what they're doing.
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- Yes, exactly.
- You know?
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And then, you know, here we are.
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It's, like, this area makes me
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want to throw up now,
you know what I mean?
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I remember
walking these streets.
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I was wearing a lanyard,
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and walking down
the streets of Clearwater,
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and people are screaming out
of their car windows.
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"Cult!
Cult member!"
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And I'm like, "what?"
I'm not a cult member.
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I'm sacrificing my life
for this."
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So it... it was just
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a weird moment,
you know what I mean?
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Because I'm, like,
"I'm here to save you."
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And now, I'm kind of on
the other side of that
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going "I'm here to save you."
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- Like everybody else
around here,
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I don't like being
in Downtown Clearwater much.
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- Right.
- Just because the whole place
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is creepy.
It's empty.
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It's... it feels like people
are watching you.
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That's kind of creepy.
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- You know,
this reminds me of you
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standing out here
trying to talk to your son.
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- Yeah.
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I was alerted by Joe Childs
from the "Tampa Bay Times"
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that he had been told
by Scientology
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that I was a terrible parent
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because I had not tried
to help my son
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who had contracted cancer.
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I had no idea.
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The next day,
I went to the Fort Harrison
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to try and see my son.
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- My son had cancer.
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Of course I'm going to go
and try and see him
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and see if he's okay,
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and find out
what's happening, and...
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It was... it was a futile effort.
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- I feel like I'm in this movie
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where the villain
is always winning.
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- Well, the villain
isn't going to win forever.
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- Well, I'd like to see
something happen.
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- Promise you.
- In our lifetime, Mike.
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- I don't think this story
of Scientology in Clearwater
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has ever been actually told.
- Yeah, I don't think it has.
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- Like, there's
been bits and pieces,
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and certainly, the "Tampa Bay
Times" has covered it,
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but that's for people
in Pinellas County.
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- Right.
- Outside, the whole world
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doesn't know.
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- It's a story worth telling,
for sure.
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- Yeah.
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- In the early 70's,
L. Ron Hubbard
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was running
the Scientology world
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from a ship called
"The Apollo."
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I was on board "The Apollo"
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with L. Ron Hubbard
from 1973 until 1975.
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The ship had been thrown out
of various countries.
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He tried to bring "The Apollo"
to the United States in 1974,
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and he discovered
that the FBI, IRS,
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DEA, and various other
government agencies
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were waiting on the dock.
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For the next year or so,
we sailed around
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in ports in the Caribbean.
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Hubbard at one point had a
heart attack in Curacao.
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The treatment wasn't the, like,
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advanced medical
treatment available.
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And he decided,
"Okay, the time has come
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to move the operations
to the United States."
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He sent a whole
bunch of people out
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up and down the Eastern
Seaboard of the US
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to find a location to move to.
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There were various requirements.
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It had to have
an international airport.
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It had to be in
a relatively warm climate.
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It had to be a facility
that was big enough
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to accommodate all the people,
but was cheap.
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Ultimately, he settled
on Clearwater, Florida,
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and the Fort Harrison hotel,
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and the adjacent
Clearwater Bank building,
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both of which
were going bankrupt.
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I was one of the first people
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that arrived
in the Fort Harrison.
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When Hubbard moved the
headquarters of Scientology
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to Clearwater,
it logically followed
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that the plan would be
to take over Clearwater
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and turn it into
a Scientology city.
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This... Clearwater
was supposed to become
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and is supposed to become the
Salt Lake City of Scientology,
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or the Mecca of Scien...
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In fact, they even called it
the Mecca of Scientology.
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Scientology moved in
here in 1975,
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and at the outset, came here
under false pretenses.
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When we arrived in Clearwater,
we actually lied.
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Tried to pretend
to everybody in the community
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that this was some other
Christian organization
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called the United Churches
of Florida.
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Everybody was briefed.
"This is what you're to say.
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You're to explain what the
United Churches of Florida is."
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Which nobody really understood,
because it didn't exist.
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It was just a name.
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- And you know, in the mid-'70s,
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we didn't know
what Scientology was.
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I lived... I lived here,
and we all wondered.
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"Who are these people?
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Who's the United Churches
of Florida?"
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And it slowly came out,
it's not the United Churches.
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It's the Church of Scientology.
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Once again,
we're looking at each other,
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going "well, who is that?"
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When this came out,
Gabe Cazares,
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Mayor Cazares,
started to question them
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and criticize them,
and "who are these people?"
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- One reason
that Gabe was suspicious
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is after they bought the...
The property
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as United Churches
of Florida, suddenly,
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there were armed security guys
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on the top of
the Fort Harrison hotel.
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He said "who does this?
What is this group?"
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- Had they just moved in
as a regular church...
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- Right.
- It would have been nothing.
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But, you know, the mayor is...
He's kind of...
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He's a leader
of the community, and he's...
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No wonder he was curious
about it, and he should be.
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- Right.
- He should be the one
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looking into it.
What is this?
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Why are they hiding
their real cards?
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- They came into our community,
and they lied.
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They lied to
the public officials.
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They said "oh, we're
United Churches of Florida."
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This is unforgivable.
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I... I don't know what kind of
ethics is involved here.
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- He was very brave
to speak out,
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because no...
Most politicians don't.
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- Slowly, it's coming out.
This town is being taken over.
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They have chosen us to be
their spiritual headquarters,
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and they are
going to buy up our town.
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- When Gabe Cazares came out
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and basically
called them a cult,
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we... then we started saying
"tell us more."
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- L. Ron Hubbard has stated
that Scientology
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has the money to buy cities
and even countries.
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That destructive cult
has to know
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that sparking Clearwater
is not for sale.
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- I'm glad he did that,
but he paid a price for it.
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- He did.
- The Catholic Church,
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the synagogues, the mosques.
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If somebody wants
to be critical of them,
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that's their First Amendment
right, they can say it.
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But in... in the case
of Scientology,
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if you are a critic of the
church, you are their enemy.
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And so, when people
did speak out...
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And of course, it was our mayor.
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He was the front man.
He was the one...
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"tell us, Mayor, you know,
what's going on."
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And then, we started reading
what they were doing to him.
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- Scientology did some
of the most heinous
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Fair Game tactics
against Gabe Cazares.
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There's a whole bunch
of these documents
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that ultimately came out when
the FBI raided Scientology
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that explain and detail
the activities
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that were taken against him.
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Scientology embarked
on a campaign of Fair Game
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to cost Gabe Cazares his job,
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and to completely discredit
and destroy him.
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There were a number
of operations
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that were conducted
against Gabe Cazares,
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and those documents came out
after the FBI raid.
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And they had bizarre names.
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Uh, they detail the exact steps
that were to be taken.
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These things are incredible.
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Project Taco-less.
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"It was a plan to dig up dirt
to "ruin his political career
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and remove/restrain him as an
opponent of Scientology."
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Then, there was
Project Speedy Gonzalez.
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That was designed
to ruin his career
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with a political sex scandal.
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A fake college student
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wearing a St. Pete
Junior College T-shirt
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was to spread a rumor
about Cazares
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having an affair
with someone's mother.
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Operation Italian Fog
was intended
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to create documents that would
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"prove that Gabe Cazares
was a bigamist"
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by planting fake documents
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that he was married
to some woman in Mexico.
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Perhaps the... the most
outrageous of all
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was called Project Keeler,
where Gabe Cazares
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was set up with a fake hit and
run accident in Washington DC
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when he was attending
a mayor's conference.
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They documented
the fake hit and run
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with someone jumping out
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in front of his car
on a dark road,
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and that was now going to ruin
his political career.
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These documents are perhaps
only the tip of the iceberg.
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That's not necessarily
all that was done
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or all that was planned.
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It's just the documents that
were gotten from the raid.
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- And what was the time frame
that Gabe was being targeted
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and Fair Gamed?
- That was years.
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It was years.
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They wanted to make sure
that a lawsuit was filed.
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A lawsuit was filed
very quickly to shut him up.
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And it ended up
dragging on for, uh...
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- In federal court?
- Yeah, in federal court
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for a number of years.
- Mm, yeah.
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- Gabe did sue them,
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and here's one of the
fascinating things about it.
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He hired an attorney that
he met at his country club.
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And this guy befriended him
and said
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"Hey, hey, you know what?
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You should hire me
to handle this case."
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Merrell Vannier, I think
was her... his name.
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- That's his name,
that's for sure.
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- And this guy
was hired by Gabe...
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- This is a plant, a plant.
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- Yeah, screwed up the case,
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and... and settled it for, like,
a paltry fee, I think.
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And it was only later
that it was discovered
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that this guy was brought in
by Scientology
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from, like,
Alabama or some place.
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- That was his job, to get...
- That was his job.
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- Oh, my God.
- To befriend Gabe,
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and take the case.
328
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- So here you have
the mayor of Clearwater.
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He had every right to question
what this organization was.
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But then, they attack this man
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for exercising
his First Amendment rights.
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They then activate
their policies of
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"Let's destroy anyone
who's questioning us,
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"caught us in lies,
335
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and let's go after those people
and utterly destroy them,"
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which is Scientology policy.
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But, really, they are...
They are leaving
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a destruction in their wake.
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- Everything that you see
that has happened
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in the history of Clearwater,
you can find the documents
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written by L. Ron Hubbard
that describe what that is.
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You can go back and look
at the policies
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where he says
to bring governments
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into a state
of complete compliance
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with the goals of Scientology,
and to control such agencies.
346
00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:05,935
Like, turn them into
Scientology activities.
347
00:19:06,062 --> 00:19:08,104
- And that... wasn't that
the objective
348
00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:10,773
of Project Normandy?
- Absolutely.
349
00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,534
- The orders, in effect,
were occupation orders.
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There was a secret
Project Goldmine,
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and a Project Normandy,
and these orders,
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in effect, very clearly,
stated "move into this area",
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"find out who your friends
are, develop them."
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"Find out who your
enemies are, destroy them."
355
00:19:37,719 --> 00:19:40,970
And then, move into
every possible area
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of community life, business,
social, religious, education.
357
00:19:46,769 --> 00:19:48,330
- Project Normandy
is just one example.
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It's everywhere.
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00:19:50,148 --> 00:19:52,607
Scientology wants
the police department
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00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:55,776
and the city council
operating for their benefit.
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For the good of Scientology.
362
00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:14,378
- So back in the days
of Gabe Cazares,
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all these Scientologists
pulled a stunt
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that made it onto the front
page of the newspapers
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of dressing people up
in Nazi outfits
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and marching them down the
street in front of City Hall
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00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:29,727
to protest
the Nazi-like treatment
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00:20:29,854 --> 00:20:33,898
that Scientology was getting
from the city of Clearwater.
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- What group behaves like that?
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00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:37,276
Scientology.
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00:20:38,446 --> 00:20:40,780
- Yeah.
- True.
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00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:44,325
- But it... it was...
Sort of encapsulated
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00:20:44,452 --> 00:20:49,247
the relationship between
Scientology and Clearwater.
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It was contentious,
and Scientology
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00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:56,379
did what they always do,
which is attack.
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Just attack.
- Right.
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00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,383
For at least 20 years,
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00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:03,302
Clearwater investigated
Scientology.
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00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:06,138
And... and a great guy,
Ray Emmons,
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00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:08,766
led this investigation
of Scientology.
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00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:12,228
He had so much
damning information
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00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:15,481
about all the things that...
That they were up to.
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00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:20,444
And he considered it
a criminal enterprise.
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00:21:20,571 --> 00:21:23,322
The Lieutenant, Ray Emmons,
believed that
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00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:28,661
the police department had
dropped all education
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00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:33,207
for the new recruits about
how to deal with Scientology.
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00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:34,937
Every time there was
a new group of officers
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00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,836
that would come in,
Ray would sit them down
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00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:39,880
and say "this is what you need
to know about Scientology."
390
00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:42,425
- Did he reach out
to other agencies to...
391
00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:46,721
- Yeah, he went to
the state officials,
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00:21:46,848 --> 00:21:49,849
to the federal government,
and said "We need help."
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00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:54,020
"We can't deal with this
Mafia-like organization
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00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,688
in our small town."
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00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,773
No one would help.
396
00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,586
- Well, we shopped it around
to the federal people,
397
00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:02,361
to the state people,
and the first question
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00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:05,197
always asked by a prosecutor was
399
00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:08,367
"Will they harass me?
Will they follow me?"
400
00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:12,266
"Boy, this is going to cost
a lot of money."
401
00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:15,875
It was a continuing
fraudulent enterprise.
402
00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:18,544
It still is to this day,
as far as I'm concerned.
403
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,482
- I talked to him,
too, ultimately, and...
404
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:21,775
- Right.
- He was, like,
405
00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,944
"it's dangerous, it's dangerous"
406
00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:27,178
These people are dangerous, and
they're dangerous to families.
407
00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:28,782
They're dangerous
to individuals.
408
00:22:28,806 --> 00:22:30,951
They're dangerous
to the community.
409
00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:33,135
It's a dangerous organization
in our midst,
410
00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:35,686
and everybody
is ignoring it now.
411
00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:52,328
That city commission hearing
was a major watershed
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00:22:52,455 --> 00:22:53,913
in the history of Clearwater,
413
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,268
and actually,
the history of Scientology,
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00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,292
because it was the first time
415
00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:00,564
there had been,
in the United States, at least,
416
00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,381
an actual attempt to
417
00:23:03,508 --> 00:23:06,217
uncover the truth
about Scientology.
418
00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:09,053
You know, I was here
as the church person
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00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:13,307
dealing with that,
and that was a huge problem.
420
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:22,900
- The Fair Game policy,
he's had that as...
421
00:23:23,027 --> 00:23:25,611
As long as I've known him.
422
00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:27,698
- That's the
"attack the attacker?"
423
00:24:53,326 --> 00:24:56,827
- That potentially could have
put an end to this mess
424
00:24:56,954 --> 00:25:00,623
had the city then
not over-reached,
425
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:04,001
and tried to enact an ordinance
426
00:25:04,128 --> 00:25:07,880
which was designed to get
Scientology out of Clearwater.
427
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:21,435
- The ultimate
outcome of that case
428
00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:24,939
put the nail in the coffin
of the city's efforts
429
00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:29,026
by ruling that Scientology
was right.
430
00:25:29,153 --> 00:25:32,446
That this ordinance
was unconstitutional
431
00:25:32,573 --> 00:25:36,325
and the city had to pay
Scientology costs and fees
432
00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,828
of 600-plus thousand dollars.
433
00:25:39,956 --> 00:25:44,792
At that point, the city of
Clearwater basically decided
434
00:25:44,919 --> 00:25:47,586
"this is not a fight
we can ever win," and...
435
00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:50,651
Crawled into a hole.
- Yeah.
436
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,486
"If you don't allow us
to do what we want,
437
00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:54,404
here's what we're
going to do to you."
438
00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,263
- What happened to Ray Emmons?
- Ray retired.
439
00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:00,057
But he never stopped
being concerned about
440
00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:02,643
Scientology's activities
here in the city.
441
00:26:02,770 --> 00:26:04,728
Just like Gabe Cazares.
- Yeah.
442
00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,708
- Uh, even though
he had left office...
443
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,066
Was driven out of office,
he never forgot
444
00:26:09,193 --> 00:26:11,318
what Scientology did
not just to him...
445
00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:13,245
- Right.
- But to the city.
446
00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:26,395
- In the case of Scientology,
we would start hearing about
447
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:30,170
additional properties
that they were buying.
448
00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:33,632
Um, and they started
cherry-picking the areas
449
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,260
so that they could be
contiguous as best they can,
450
00:26:36,387 --> 00:26:39,305
so they could control,
you know, the entire area.
451
00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:41,557
And then, that spread to
the commercial district,
452
00:26:41,684 --> 00:26:43,475
as far as downtown is concerned.
453
00:26:43,603 --> 00:26:45,436
They were buying up
everything they could.
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00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,731
- Scientology started out
with the
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00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:52,109
two most prominent buildings
in Downtown Clearwater.
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00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,861
The Fort Harrison Hotel,
457
00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:56,196
and the old Bank of Clearwater.
458
00:26:56,324 --> 00:27:00,701
It then added
the Sand Castle Motel,
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00:27:00,828 --> 00:27:03,078
which was a big property
on the water.
460
00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:08,500
A very prominent, downtown
landmark for "Expansion."
461
00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:12,087
They purchased properties
for staff to live in.
462
00:27:12,214 --> 00:27:14,715
They purchased vacant land.
463
00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:18,927
Everywhere you go,
next door is another piece
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00:27:19,055 --> 00:27:22,014
of the Scientology puzzle
of downtown.
465
00:27:31,442 --> 00:27:34,193
- The jewel
that Scientology wanted,
466
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,904
Miscavige, in particular,
was the aquarium.
467
00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,659
- When the property that
is owned by the aquarium
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00:27:41,786 --> 00:27:45,871
was announced to be
sold to the city,
469
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:49,625
David Miscavige wanted
that property badly.
470
00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:51,794
Not because there was any plan
471
00:27:51,921 --> 00:27:53,841
to do anything
with the property,
472
00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:57,383
but because it sits
across the street
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00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:58,945
from the back
of the Fort Harrison,
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00:27:58,969 --> 00:28:02,221
and alongside the Oak Cove.
475
00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:04,117
He claimed that he wanted to put
476
00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:06,433
a swimming pool
on that property,
477
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,705
but there was a swimming pool
in the Fort Harrison hotel
478
00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:10,229
that nobody uses.
479
00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:11,958
There's another one
in The Sand Castle.
480
00:28:11,982 --> 00:28:14,149
There's plenty
of swimming pools around.
481
00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:16,944
That began a big dispute.
482
00:28:17,071 --> 00:28:19,697
- The city negotiated
and agreed on a price,
483
00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:20,614
and I think it was
in the neighborhood
484
00:28:20,741 --> 00:28:22,491
of about $4 million.
485
00:28:22,618 --> 00:28:25,369
The person that was in charge
of selling the property
486
00:28:25,496 --> 00:28:28,330
said to Miscavige
"there's a contract on it."
487
00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,583
And Miscavige said
"I will beat that price."
488
00:28:34,672 --> 00:28:36,525
And went up to about 14 million.
489
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:39,466
- 14 million.
- Which is 10 million more
490
00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:41,051
than what it is.
491
00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:43,138
Miscavige promised us the world.
492
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:45,180
"If you let me
buy this property,
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00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,683
I will renovate
Downtown Clearwater."
494
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:49,226
Showed all of our commissioners.
495
00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:50,789
"This is what it's
going to look like,
496
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:52,771
"but let me buy that
piece of property.
497
00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:55,607
If you don't let me buy it,
I'm not."
498
00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:58,694
- The head of the Clearwater
Aquarium, David Yates,
499
00:28:58,821 --> 00:29:01,071
was the one who said
500
00:29:01,198 --> 00:29:03,240
"We've got a deal with the city.
501
00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:05,220
"I work with the city every day.
502
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,097
"No matter how much money
you offer me,
503
00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:10,748
I'm a man of my word.
I'm sticking to it."
504
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,958
David Miscavige
doesn't take kindly
505
00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:17,296
to people not complying
with his wishes.
506
00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:23,051
Scientology then started
writing letters to the county.
507
00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:25,220
To try and rescind his funding,
508
00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,347
saying he's overpaid.
509
00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:33,437
And this is a scam, and they
should be prosecuting him.
510
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:39,610
And that he's violating
the tax laws.
511
00:29:39,737 --> 00:29:43,697
Like, it was astonishing.
- Yeah.
512
00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,825
- The seller said "No deal,
it goes to the city."
513
00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,953
Things pretty much shut down,
as a curtain,
514
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,249
when they dissed,
so to speak, Miscavige.
515
00:29:54,376 --> 00:29:56,126
Miscavige, now, he said
516
00:29:56,253 --> 00:29:59,797
"No renovation,
no paint, nothing."
517
00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:01,215
- Right.
518
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,302
This is what
a leader of a church
519
00:30:05,429 --> 00:30:07,971
is spending his time doing?
520
00:30:08,098 --> 00:30:10,808
He's punishing David Yates
and the aquarium
521
00:30:10,935 --> 00:30:12,746
for not selling David Miscavige
522
00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:14,645
and Scientology the property.
523
00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:16,814
The punishment is
"I'm going to keep
524
00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:19,566
Downtown Clearwater
a ghost town."
525
00:30:19,693 --> 00:30:22,569
It's insane to me.
526
00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:24,822
It's sick.
527
00:30:24,949 --> 00:30:27,533
- If it wasn't for
the empty storefronts,
528
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:29,660
if there was more
activity downtown,
529
00:30:29,703 --> 00:30:33,205
I think we would...
It wouldn't be such an impact.
530
00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:35,541
- What most people do
is they avoid downtown.
531
00:30:35,668 --> 00:30:37,479
That's what they're doing.
- Yeah.
532
00:30:37,503 --> 00:30:39,461
- The fact that we can't
go to restaurants
533
00:30:39,588 --> 00:30:40,868
like we used to be able to have,
534
00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,507
and wonderful, you know,
places to visit.
535
00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:45,843
They're buying up property,
and... and...
536
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,095
And taking that away from us.
- Right.
537
00:30:48,222 --> 00:30:51,014
- They buy property that they
have absolutely no use for
538
00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:52,641
and turn it into parks.
539
00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:54,371
- The do that because
they want to
540
00:30:54,395 --> 00:30:56,311
keep the people that come in,
541
00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:57,855
the Scientologists that come in,
542
00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,582
from seeing the rest
of the world, right?
543
00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:01,545
- No, they want
the rest of the world
544
00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:04,089
to not be able to see,
and see what they're doing.
545
00:31:04,113 --> 00:31:08,156
- But also, being around, you
know, "civilians," you know,
546
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:09,658
is... is very dangerous.
547
00:31:11,412 --> 00:31:14,705
- Today, Scientology
has almost achieved
548
00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:17,457
it's objective of
549
00:31:17,585 --> 00:31:21,712
complete subjugation
of Downtown Clearwater.
550
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,006
Of the city officials.
551
00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:28,969
Of taking over vast tracts
of the city,
552
00:31:29,096 --> 00:31:33,348
and turning it into the first
Scientology city on Earth.
553
00:31:56,373 --> 00:32:00,375
- Betsy, let's fast forward
to how you came
554
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:03,587
to meet me for the first time,
555
00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:05,609
and what happened
as a result of that.
556
00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:08,300
- Yeah, it... well, you know,
557
00:32:08,427 --> 00:32:11,178
I got a flavor for
what they can do to people.
558
00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:14,014
- Betsy Steg was never
a Scientologist
559
00:32:14,141 --> 00:32:17,726
We became friends when she
reached out on the blog,
560
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:21,897
and I met her and her husband,
561
00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:28,278
and she suffered the
consequences of befriending me.
562
00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:30,155
- You know, Mike and I met.
563
00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:32,574
I had commented
on Marty Rathbun's blog
564
00:32:32,701 --> 00:32:37,245
a long time ago, probably 2009,
2010, something like that.
565
00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:39,351
But through that,
I got to know you,
566
00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:42,167
and then, you had your wedding
567
00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:44,920
at my rental property,
at The Cedar House.
568
00:32:45,047 --> 00:32:48,048
And I thought it was a great
wedding, it was beautiful.
569
00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:49,986
Everything was... seamed perfect.
570
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:54,179
But a couple days after that,
I get a knock on my door.
571
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:56,034
I live in a gated community,
and somehow,
572
00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,432
these people got to...
573
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,120
- These people
being Peter Mansell
574
00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,622
from the Offices
from Special Affairs.
575
00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:02,938
- Peter Mansell, yeah,
and a woman.
576
00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:06,608
They said "we are sent here
by the Church of Scientology"
577
00:33:06,735 --> 00:33:10,570
to tell me that they knew
that I was friends with you.
578
00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:12,406
They knew who I am.
579
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:15,450
They wanted me to know
that they know where I live.
580
00:33:15,577 --> 00:33:18,328
They know everything about us,
and that they're going to do
581
00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:20,664
everything they can
to destroy me.
582
00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:22,686
"Harm and destroy" me
was the words.
583
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:24,960
- What?
- Yeah.
584
00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:27,671
They continued on, saying
that, "We're going to call"
585
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:29,881
"every Scientologist
in Clearwater,
586
00:33:30,009 --> 00:33:31,069
"and they're going to do
everything that they can
587
00:33:31,093 --> 00:33:32,926
to destroy you."
588
00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:35,448
I didn't even know what to do.
I... I just, I was stunned.
589
00:33:35,472 --> 00:33:37,117
I was...
- In shock.
590
00:33:37,141 --> 00:33:39,035
- I... yeah, I was just,
like, my God.
591
00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:41,184
And I shut...
Just shut the door on them.
592
00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:44,312
- Yeah.
- And I called the cops,
593
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,834
you know, because they're
threatening to destroy me.
594
00:33:45,858 --> 00:33:47,002
They know my kids
and everything, you know?
595
00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:47,816
- Right.
- You know, the family,
596
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,776
and everything.
597
00:33:49,903 --> 00:33:52,007
So I make the call to the
Clearwater Police Department.
598
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:53,717
I tell them, you know,
"This is what they said.
599
00:33:53,741 --> 00:33:55,301
It was Peter Mansell,
and this other woman."
600
00:33:55,325 --> 00:33:57,262
And the officer goes
"I know who he is.
601
00:33:57,286 --> 00:33:58,910
I'll go talk to him."
602
00:33:59,038 --> 00:34:01,955
And he, months later,
emails me back and says
603
00:34:02,082 --> 00:34:05,167
"Oh, yeah, I... I called
their attorney,
604
00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:07,377
"and I told the attorney
605
00:34:07,504 --> 00:34:08,940
"that they shouldn't
do things like that,
606
00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:11,109
because it's bad
for their public relations."
607
00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:12,549
That's his email.
608
00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:14,843
He's giving them
public relations advice.
609
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:17,804
- Wow.
- And at my expense.
610
00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:20,474
If any of us had done that,
we'd be arrested.
611
00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:36,615
Recently, I had a guy that
was chopping down my hedges
612
00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:38,762
at my rental property
at The Cedar House.
613
00:34:38,786 --> 00:34:41,078
He said that the city
had him do this.
614
00:34:41,205 --> 00:34:43,016
I think it was
a Scientology neighbor
615
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,457
who's now doing
the Fair Gaming against me.
616
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:47,709
She wants to see
what's going on in there.
617
00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:49,628
Fortunately, I caught him
618
00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:52,380
removing my hedges,
and chopping up the fence.
619
00:34:52,508 --> 00:34:54,257
- Un-frickin'-believable.
620
00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:55,820
- So I scoot him
off the property.
621
00:34:55,844 --> 00:34:57,469
I go home, call the cops.
622
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,699
I couldn't get them
to respond to my calls
623
00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:02,390
once they found out that
Scientology had been involved,
624
00:35:02,518 --> 00:35:04,478
or that I was
Scientology's enemy.
625
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:07,521
So I took it down to them,
wrote it up,
626
00:35:07,648 --> 00:35:09,731
gave them the statues
that was violated,
627
00:35:09,858 --> 00:35:11,525
and they resisted taking that
628
00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,985
to the state attorney's office
for prosecution.
629
00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:15,507
They didn't want to do it.
They told me
630
00:35:15,531 --> 00:35:16,988
"Don't do this," you know.
631
00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,324
And I said I was going
to take it myself.
632
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,221
I'll drive it down
to criminal courts,
633
00:35:21,245 --> 00:35:22,994
and have them do it there.
634
00:35:23,122 --> 00:35:25,664
So they finally got
the prosecutor involved,
635
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:29,459
and at that point,
it was a felony charge,
636
00:35:29,586 --> 00:35:31,586
and the judge issues a warrant
637
00:35:31,713 --> 00:35:33,817
to pick up the person who's
been charged with a felony,
638
00:35:33,841 --> 00:35:36,133
and have him booked,
fingerprinted, whatever.
639
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:39,386
They never did that.
It's a court order
640
00:35:39,513 --> 00:35:41,593
that the Clearwater police
were ignoring.
641
00:35:44,143 --> 00:35:46,037
They should do that in,
what, a couple days?
642
00:35:46,061 --> 00:35:47,310
Execute the arrest warrant?
643
00:35:47,437 --> 00:35:49,332
- So where's...
What's happening now?
644
00:35:49,356 --> 00:35:51,596
- Well... well, actually,
I had to... I called the state,
645
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:54,401
and one of the prosecutors
knows another guy
646
00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:55,861
whose brother works for the
647
00:35:55,988 --> 00:35:57,904
City of Clearwater
Police Department,
648
00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:01,158
and they got him to eventually
execute it six weeks later.
649
00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:02,659
We had the criminal trial.
650
00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,744
I got restitution.
They found him guilty.
651
00:36:04,872 --> 00:36:07,080
- Then, the city
disclaimed any... I mean,
652
00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:10,667
being involved at all in
having him do it, but...
653
00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:13,003
- Unreal, man.
- It's... yeah, the fact that
654
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:15,964
the Clearwater Police
was so willing to ignore
655
00:36:16,091 --> 00:36:18,717
or just not execute
a court order.
656
00:36:18,844 --> 00:36:21,511
- From threatening you to
chopping down your trees
657
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:24,055
on your property
to be able to spy on you
658
00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:27,726
because you simply
offered your home
659
00:36:27,853 --> 00:36:29,539
to Mike and Christie
for their wedding.
660
00:36:29,563 --> 00:36:33,398
- Yeah, exactly.
That... that is the basis of it.
661
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,276
And now, there's a neighbor
that's constantly complaining
662
00:36:36,403 --> 00:36:38,945
to the city about me.
663
00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:40,717
- The woman who lives
across from you, who lives...
664
00:36:40,741 --> 00:36:42,844
- She lives right next door
to the Cedar House.
665
00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:45,243
- To... to your rental property.
- Yeah.
666
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,495
- This is what
a tax-exempt organization
667
00:36:47,623 --> 00:36:51,499
is spending their time on,
is spying on you.
668
00:36:55,005 --> 00:36:57,714
- So disappointing that,
as a citizen,
669
00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,819
I have nothing to do
with Scientology.
670
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:01,384
I'm just minding
my own business,
671
00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,095
and we have put up with the city
672
00:37:04,223 --> 00:37:06,181
playing along with whatever
she wants them to do,
673
00:37:06,308 --> 00:37:09,226
so that's been... that's the
biggest disappointment for me.
674
00:37:09,353 --> 00:37:11,623
- Is there anything that
she can do here, Dennis?
675
00:37:11,647 --> 00:37:13,541
I mean, it just seems
this is a...
676
00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:17,234
She did not sign up for a life
of being harassed
677
00:37:17,361 --> 00:37:19,527
by this crazy Scientologist,
678
00:37:19,655 --> 00:37:25,742
and again, wasting resources
of the city to work for them.
679
00:37:25,869 --> 00:37:29,204
- She could bring an action,
but... but the wave
680
00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:32,958
that would come back on her,
and the financial obligations
681
00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:35,460
that she would go through,
and the more harassment
682
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,421
she would have
in courtrooms based upon it,
683
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,006
it would bring her to her knees.
684
00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,633
Part of the problem, though,
685
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,427
and a lot of people
won't admit to this.
686
00:37:44,554 --> 00:37:48,765
Uh, there's a
certain amount of fear
687
00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:51,518
because of the last
25, 30 years,
688
00:37:51,645 --> 00:37:53,561
to see these things happening.
689
00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:56,481
And I think, partly...
I now understand
690
00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,234
that you had asked other people
to join us today,
691
00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:02,028
and they politely said no.
692
00:38:11,164 --> 00:38:17,335
And I think, partly, it's
because of... they do understand
693
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,714
how ruthless they can be,
and they don't want to be next.
694
00:38:20,841 --> 00:38:22,299
They don't want to be next.
695
00:38:34,688 --> 00:38:37,083
- You walk into
Downtown Clearwater,
696
00:38:37,107 --> 00:38:40,066
and it is like walking into
"The Night of the Living Dead."
697
00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:45,780
It's "The Dead Zone."
- Right.
698
00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:48,408
- Nothing is happening there.
Nobody's on the streets
699
00:38:48,535 --> 00:38:51,411
except people in uniforms,
and that's it.
700
00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:57,125
The sort of heart of
North Pinellas County is dead.
701
00:38:57,252 --> 00:38:59,961
- If Scientology really cared
about our community,
702
00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:03,131
they would be welcoming people.
703
00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:06,092
- The Flag Building
in Downtown Clearwater
704
00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:09,346
is assessed at over $20 million.
705
00:39:09,473 --> 00:39:12,891
It is tax exempt
because it is their church.
706
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:16,519
What I'd like to ask
if that went on fire,
707
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,374
who would put it out?
- Right.
708
00:39:18,398 --> 00:39:21,232
- The Clear...
The Clearwater Fire Department.
709
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,485
Who pays for
the Clearwater Fire Department?
710
00:39:23,612 --> 00:39:25,195
The taxpayers.
711
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:27,383
They're still going to put
that fire out.
712
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:31,159
So they get that benefit,
and yet, they're making money,
713
00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:33,078
and making money,
and making money.
714
00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:34,954
- Yeah.
715
00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:37,749
You guys, you know,
really mean a lot to us
716
00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,167
for the work that you've done,
717
00:39:39,294 --> 00:39:41,189
and your instincts probably said
718
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,774
"I've had enough of this crap
with Scientology."
719
00:39:42,798 --> 00:39:43,671
- Mm, yeah.
- "I don't want
720
00:39:43,799 --> 00:39:45,318
the Fair Gaming."
- Right.
721
00:39:45,342 --> 00:39:47,612
- Um, but you're willing
to do it.
722
00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:50,136
- I mean, it won't work
unless people come forward,
723
00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:53,139
but if we live here,
are they going to be protesting
724
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,058
out in front of
my law office tomorrow?
725
00:39:55,185 --> 00:39:57,727
Maybe.
- There's safety in numbers.
726
00:39:57,854 --> 00:40:00,146
If there were a hundred of you,
727
00:40:00,273 --> 00:40:03,650
they can't protest
in front of 100 law offices.
728
00:40:03,777 --> 00:40:06,945
- And people, I think,
need to start to understand
729
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,322
that they do have the power
to do something.
730
00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:13,576
It's been a decades-long fight
731
00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:15,703
for the heart and soul
of this city.
732
00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:22,168
The real tragedy is that today,
733
00:40:22,295 --> 00:40:24,462
it's worse than ever.
734
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:26,381
Because it's still happening.
735
00:40:27,884 --> 00:40:30,343
It's still happening.
736
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,178
It's not history.
737
00:40:43,525 --> 00:40:46,526
- This is the most
insane place on Earth.
738
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:52,282
When it comes to Scientology,
this is insanity HQ.
739
00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,827
- Yeah, there you go.
This is a big crime.
740
00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:07,130
- Lisa McPherson was a devout
Scientologist for 15 years.
741
00:41:07,257 --> 00:41:10,508
She got into a minor fender
bender in Downtown Clearwater,
742
00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:15,013
and by the time the police
came and the ambulance,
743
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,640
she had stripped off
all of her clothes,
744
00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,852
and was walking down
the street naked.
745
00:41:22,689 --> 00:41:24,750
And a paramedic
came up to her and said
746
00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:26,357
"Why are you doing this?"
747
00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:28,004
And she said
"Because I need somebody
748
00:41:28,028 --> 00:41:29,028
to pay attention to me."
749
00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:34,157
- Just as a person
in this town of Clearwater,
750
00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:37,076
I don't think anybody
really understood
751
00:41:37,204 --> 00:41:40,121
what was about to go down.
752
00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:43,374
- The last three days
of her life,
753
00:41:43,502 --> 00:41:46,419
those records were destroyed.
754
00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:54,802
- Decades ago, the city of
Clearwater was fighting back.
755
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:59,265
You had people willing
to stand up and fight.
756
00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:02,435
- Bob Minton gathered
a few of us to town
757
00:42:02,562 --> 00:42:06,481
to stand up to Scientology
because the city wasn't.
758
00:42:06,608 --> 00:42:10,401
- We know that what Scientology
does to people is not good.
759
00:42:10,529 --> 00:42:12,445
- Hey, Jeff, are you a woman?
760
00:42:12,572 --> 00:42:14,509
- It's not right, it's not just.
761
00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:16,719
It shouldn't be happening,
and it especially
762
00:42:16,743 --> 00:42:19,327
shouldn't be happening
here in, you know,
763
00:42:19,454 --> 00:42:22,622
what is supposed to be the
freest country in the world.
764
00:42:22,749 --> 00:42:25,333
- You were in court, Stacy,
when that was issued.
765
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:27,961
- He was out on the street
trying to get us arrested.
766
00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:29,879
- Go join your Nazi friends!
767
00:42:30,006 --> 00:42:31,609
- There was violence
and arrests,
768
00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:33,873
and it got ugly.
It got ugly for the whole town.
769
00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:35,468
Got ugly for Scientology.
770
00:42:35,595 --> 00:42:37,262
- Bob was my hero.
771
00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:39,549
- He just came down
to make our city better.
772
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:41,975
- It was not a pretty ending.
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