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- Never before has
so much porn been watched,
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and yet the porn industry
is in its death throes.
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- These sites
have turned the industry
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upside down.
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They've swallowed up everything,
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absorbed everything, without
mercy.
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- We knew that it was gonna,
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gonna kill the industry.
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- Production
companies are shutting down
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one by one, and the
first victims are women.
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Actresses are forced to
take part in increasingly
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hardcore porn, for half as much
money.
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- Many production believe
that the harder you shoot--
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- yes the harder the better.
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- The bigger you put inside.
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- Yeah, she's had a lot
of cocks in her ass.
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Four cocks at the same time.
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- Just a handful of
geeks,
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who came out of nowhere, have
profited from this misery,
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earning unprecedented amounts of
money.
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- How
many users of pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
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- Wait a minute, who is this?
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- Turn over a month was
roughly $40 million, us.
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- A month?
- A month.
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- I don't believe anything that
they say,
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having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
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- Behind all of this
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are shady financial operations,
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an opaque business where
the law of silence reigns.
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- In the last three years,
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I have had my life
threatened maybe six times,
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so I carry a gun, just in case.
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- I made adult
films for 17 years.
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I know this industry very well.
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A few years ago, I found out
that my films
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were being shown for
free without my consent,
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and that now, anyone can access
them;
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neighbors, colleagues, children.
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The piracy of my films has
affected my life far more
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than anyone might ever suspect.
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Since the mid-1990s, Budapest
has been the undisputed
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European capital of porn.
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If we would find the victims
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of this great transformation
anywhere, it would be here.
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- I'm Alina, nice to meet you.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- Welcome.
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- Hello.
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Yes.
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Hello.
- Hello.
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- Come, come inside.
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- Ovidie, nice to meet you.
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- Nice to meet you.
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- This is the main page of our
website.
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Here you can find models
who does hardcore shootings,
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so like, girl-girl,
boy-girl, anal and more.
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So you have information here;
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name, age, place of residence,
the breast,
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and all the stuff that
productions need to know,
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and what she does, from soft to,
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to double anal or whatever.
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- How many girls
do you have right now?
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- Right now?
- Working right now?
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- Right now, this
i don't know, I don't count.
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From our hardcore, it's
i think around maybe 200,
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150, but it's always changing
because
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some of them get pregnant,
some of them get married,
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some of them just don't want
to work in porn anymore.
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So we have, the girls are always
changing,
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but we keep it up like I think.
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- So you started eight
years ago.
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The tubes arrived, meanwhile.
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- It was sweet, sweet beginning.
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It was super nice
business, everything was,
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everyone was cool, and
the rates was higher,
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the business was, and
all the girls was pretty
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because the rates was a bit
higher.
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And then one moment, everything
started falling down,
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crashing, productions began
closing, after crisis.
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I think that half of the
big productions were closed,
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the Americans stopped to come.
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- And the practices,
did they change as well?
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- Oh yeah.
- It's become more rough.
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It's become more, let's say,
generally,
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humanity
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changes, so it has become
more pervert, more dirty mind.
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- Do you think
it's because of the tubes?
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- Yeah, because the porn
become more accessible.
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Anyone now can open Internet
and find anything they want,
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and when they watch this, they
say,
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"okay, what's the next level?
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"What's the next step?"
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They always curious about,
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go deeper and deeper and deeper.
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People become crazy.
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Much crazier than before.
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- So today, very easy,
it's only pussy sex today.
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We don't want to push too
much, she is completely new,
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it's her second time she
is with a boy out of me
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for the casting, but afterwards
David, and now it's you.
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She is a super adorable
person, she enjoys so much,
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she likes to be slapped on the
ass.
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So do not hesitate to be very
active,
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but not too much aggressive.
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And,
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do whatever you want in term of
position,
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she enjoy very much, she
do fantastic, fantastic,
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you will see, she is great.
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So I think you will have fun
with her.
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Kisses, you put the hand under
the dress,
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and you tickle the panties,
okay?
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And we will begin with that.
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All right?
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Action.
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- The difference
with previous generations
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is that today's actresses
have grown up with porn.
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They've been subjected
to and accepted practices
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that most producers would
never before have dared
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to even propose.
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- We are having
a model house here,
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in the city center, that
is close to all locations.
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There is six sleeping places,
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and girl living all together and
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they are not like, really alone
here,
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they can get everything they
want and we are 24 hours online
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to help them with anything they
need.
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- History of porn, they just
need to
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watch all of these movies.
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Actually, it is including
history for the last
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15 years of porn.
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It's Americans, Europeans,
all nationalities,
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all type of porn.
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It's Rocco ravishes Prague 4.
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I think now it's 27 already or
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34 or something.
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- If the girls want to see, they
have DVD.
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And time to watch.
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- Niki, she worked in
this industry just for
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I don't know, for one month,
maybe, a little bit less.
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And she arrived and most
of the things in sex,
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she tried on the shootings,
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even such a simple thing
like a cowgirl position,
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she had never tried it in her
real life.
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Of course, first anal,
she tried it on the set.
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First double penetration,
she tried it on the set.
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- And she's
been here only one month?
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- Yeah.
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- It happens often that some
girls--
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- try new things?
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- Try new things on the set?
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- Yeah.
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Not such simple things like
a blow job for example,
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or some positions.
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Of course on special positions,
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we shoot in the porn movies
like upside down or something.
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Normally we don't do in
real life, they try here.
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But anal, pretty often it
happens
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first time on the shootings.
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- Breakfast.
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- Only sweets for
breakfast?
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- Because sweets give energy.
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Nothing food.
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Water and sweets.
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- Why?
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- Because
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anal sex,
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it's
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food
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and whoa, it's no good, no good.
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But I'm wash.
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It's normal.
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- Okay.
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- So you can, you can get
white with this and this,
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and
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what about the shoes, it's here?
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Okay, perfect.
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Perfect.
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Okay.
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- Would you prefer, two
cocks, or three cocks?
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- Five.
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- Shit...
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What about you?
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- No, I have--
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- what, guys?
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What
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- you prefer one cock, two
cocks?
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You like five?
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- I have three holes, so
three--
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- in one...
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- My pussy, my ass
and my mouth, so it's--
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- it's perfect.
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- Perfect!
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Hmm?
- In my ass?
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- Yeah, she's had like a
lot of cocks in her ass.
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- Four.
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- Four cocks at the same time.
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- Four in your ass?
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- Yes.
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- Yeah.
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It's enough, plus it's in your
ass?
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- Really?
- Show me your ass!
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Show me your ass!
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Because I have never have two in
my ass.
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- But it's three cock.
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It's not, it's--
- okay.
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- It's not...
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- Five cocks, six
cocks?
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I wonder what the next challenge
will be.
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A hemorrhage?
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Death, maybe?
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The worst part is that
the actresses' names
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hardly ever appear on these
sites.
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They are reduced to a
series of categories.
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They're like a Cannon fodder.
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One gaping hole amongst many.
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How can you empathize with these
girls,
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if after all, they don't really
exist?
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I haven't been in the
Berlin fair for 15 years.
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Here too, things have really
changed.
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It used to be the biggest
event of its kind in Europe.
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Back then, adult film
stars were worshiped,
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and producers would
sign contracts non-stop.
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But today, at each stand,
the gloom is palpable.
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- So how did it come to
this?
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And if everything is available
for free,
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who is making any money?
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- We launched youporn
26th of August, 2006.
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So we took it from very,
very small traffic to
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the 26th busiest website in the
world.
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- Did you imagine
that it was going to become so,
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so huge?
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- Yes.
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We had round about 370
million visitors a month,
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used to come into youporn.
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- How did you
get this idea of youporn?
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- Right, the very first,
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the first few weeks,
it was a joke and then
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we kind of realized what
we had on our hands.
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At that point, we realized the
damage
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it was gonna inflict on the
industry.
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So we made a decision
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to help content partners.
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Now, we were evil.
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We were reaching out to
content partners, saying,
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"hey, we're from youporn,
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"we want you to license us your
content.
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"We want to help you, we
want to send our members,
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"our users, to your websites,
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"for you to convert
them into memberships."
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And the general consensus from
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the whole of the industry was,
"you've got to be kidding.
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"Why would someone that is
viewing content for free
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"want to pay a membership?"
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But tube sites have been
there for eight years.
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So, if you're an old
school content producer,
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you would have already adapted
to using the tube sites.
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Those that refuse to adapt,
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they're simply no longer in
business.
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- J-t's right.
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All the people I knew have
disappeared.
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If it was only j-t that had come
along,
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then perhaps they might have
survived.
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But the worst was yet to come.
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With manwin, Fabian thylmann
built the first multinational
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empire of sex.
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The majority of the world's
porn videos are now hosted
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on websites that he owns.
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The only people interested
in this unknown man
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are German journalists.
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They were the first to
reveal the obscure nature
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of the company.
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Who is thylmann?
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What kind of guy is he?
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- He is certainly
what you would call a geek.
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More of the technician kind of
guy.
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Sort of the person that has
never been at a porn shoot,
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and in a way, he was
probably at that moment
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the right person for
the distribution of porn
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in the 21st century.
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- Can you show me how,
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when it all started?
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- Yeah, well I mean, this is
how it all started for us.
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So that's the front page of the
paper
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that was published in September
2012,
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and it's basically
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the result of a long time of
work
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because we started in January
with our investigation.
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So it took us nine months in
a way to get this thing done.
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All description, how it worked,
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when he bought what, everything.
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You've got also some
documents that we could show
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that led us to quite a lot of
questions.
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- Fabian,
tell us about yourself,
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where you're from, how did
you get on the Internet and,
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we want to know it all.
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- So, Fabian.
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I started online in '99,
roughly, as a programmer.
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And I,
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I was very interested in high
speed, high traffic websites,
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so complicated programming.
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So it's the stuff you would find
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at that time was porn,
with a lot of traffic.
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So I started buying a couple
of companies in Europe first.
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But the biggest coup really i
did was
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buying a company in Canada,
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which was back then already
one of the big players
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in the market.
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- Can we
name, is compliancy,
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can we name of one of those
sites?
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- This biggest one is
pornhub.Com.
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- Pornhub, okay.
- Yes.
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The second one which is
bigger but more known--
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- how many
users does pornhub--
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- 16 million a day.
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- 16 million daily active users?
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- Yes, active users,
yes.
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About--
- very active.
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- Yes, very active.
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- Anyway, that's why we invited
Fabian,
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so it's not only about the
materials.
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- How old is he?
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- 36, 37 I think.
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00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:03,100
- So he was quite young
when he
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became the king of porn.
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00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:08,130
- Well, I mean, that's sort
of how our story started.
328
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,040
Because we saw this,
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this video from this big
porn conference in las Vegas.
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00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,350
And it's a four part
video, it's on YouTube,
331
00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:23,220
and there is suddenly
coming this young German guy
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00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:27,450
on the center stage, sitting
down in his sweater and
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00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:29,720
he was looking like a sort of
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00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,360
cheap version of mark
zuckerburg or something, yeah?
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00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,730
And he sits down there
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00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:37,100
in front of the American porn
industry
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00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:41,130
and he tells them his vision
and how he's doing things.
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00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:43,670
And it's like a nobody
appearing, yeah?
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00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:46,310
And for us, it was like,
"wait a minute, who is this?
340
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:49,810
"And why the hell are all
the others listening to him?
341
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:52,680
"What does he have to say?"
342
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,580
- We had roughly 65 million
people on our websites each day.
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Different ones.
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About 450 million people
a month, different ones.
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00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:04,220
- 450 million a month?
346
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:06,660
I'm not sure if I'm mixing
up numbers as usual,
347
00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:09,700
but that sounds like
half the size of Facebook
348
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:12,370
some time ago, right?
349
00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:16,740
- So, turnover a month was
roughly $40 million, us.
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00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:19,810
- A month?
- A month.
351
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:21,740
Yeah, I always think in
months, I don't know why,
352
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:25,210
everybody else does it
in years, I don't know.
353
00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:26,110
And...
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00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:29,150
- You grew so fast.
- Yes, that's probably,
355
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,220
it just kept changing so--
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00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:34,420
- well, the first thing
that a reporter does is
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00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:35,620
go into the archives,
358
00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:38,120
looking whatever has
been published before.
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00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:39,830
So we had a list with webpages,
360
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:42,600
we had a list with company
names,
361
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,130
and then we started to
pull for every company
362
00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:47,830
the record from the trade
register.
363
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,610
In the end, we had a network
of about 35 or more companies
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00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:55,410
that belonged to this empire of
manwin
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00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,580
that Mr. thylmann was running.
366
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,170
We started to ask ourselves,
367
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:23,800
why do you need companies
in Cyprus, for example?
368
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:25,510
Then the headquarter,
369
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:27,470
the headquarter was in
Luxembourg.
370
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,380
So we asked ourselves, why is
the headquarter in Luxembourg?
371
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:34,780
And we went to Luxembourg
and when we arrived there,
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00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:39,290
I have actually photos that
i can show if you like.
373
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:41,890
Then, it's a building out
of concrete and glass.
374
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:45,260
We could look basically
through the door in the office,
375
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:46,890
and the office was entirely
empty.
376
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:50,500
There were a few pieces of
furniture standing around--
377
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,330
- so this is the
headquarter
378
00:35:52,330 --> 00:35:53,870
of the biggest porn company in
the world?
379
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:56,700
- This was, in 2012, the
headquarter of
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00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,440
the biggest porn company in the
world.
381
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,480
But the point is, in that
building, we asked the neighbors
382
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,180
and on the lower floor,
there is a Chinese bank.
383
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:07,510
And we asked the lady there and
we said,
384
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,250
"what is going on the fourth
floor, where's manwin?"
385
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:11,850
And she said in this funny
Chinese voice,
386
00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,190
"oh, there's nobody there.
387
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:15,960
"Oh, there's nobody there."
388
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,320
And it was weird, yeah?
389
00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:20,230
And those were all things where
we said,
390
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:22,530
"okay, it doesn't make sense,
391
00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:23,860
"it doesn't prove anything,
392
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:27,470
"it doesn't show, okay,
this must be tax evasion."
393
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:31,670
For us, in the end, obviously
as a German newspaper,
394
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:34,240
we follow the German angle.
395
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:38,380
There was one company in
Hamburg,
396
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:42,720
the manwin Germany company,
that was very interesting to us.
397
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Because they run this
website, my dirty hobby.
398
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,420
The company said actually
on their webpage here,
399
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:53,630
"we are run from Cyprus."
400
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,960
And even though we knew
that the performers were
401
00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:00,630
living in Germany and were
shooting their movies in
Germany,
402
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,600
the tax that was deducted
was the cypiotic vat.
403
00:37:04,610 --> 00:37:07,570
It's really hard to judge
if everything is going
404
00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:09,580
in a legal way there from the
outside,
405
00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:13,010
but at that point, we had
a lot of reasonable doubt.
406
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,720
- I've heard of my
dirty hobby.
407
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:24,560
It's one of Germany's
largest amateur porn sites.
408
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,790
But what I didn't know
is that it was one of
409
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:29,600
Fabian thylmann's first
businesses,
410
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,930
and a cornerstone of his manwin
empire.
411
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:26,710
- Let's see.
412
00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:29,080
There, it's you.
413
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,950
Naughty over forty.
414
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:35,920
- I'm a German milf.
415
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,060
- Do you have an idea
of how many fans you have?
416
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:41,630
- For my dirty hobby, over
15,000 fans.
417
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,700
It's a very great fan
base on my dirty hobby.
418
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,430
- How many videos have you done?
419
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,670
- 500.
420
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:51,100
- 500?
- Yes.
421
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:54,040
- When you do a video, you
have to upload it yourself?
422
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,740
- Mmhmm.
423
00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:58,610
- When we start with the film,
i give it to my dirty hobby.
424
00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:00,910
- Okay.
- I can give the go,
425
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:03,780
and then it's go online.
426
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:05,080
- But they control it.
427
00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:07,490
- They control it, yes, really.
428
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:11,790
But the marketing for
these clips, it's our.
429
00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:15,130
- Is it inconvenient to
ask you how many percent
430
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:16,930
they take from your,
431
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:19,900
from your income?
432
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:22,470
- 78--
- 78%.
433
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:25,000
- 78?
434
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:26,510
- And--
- we get
435
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,140
22%.
436
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:31,210
- 22%.
437
00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:36,950
And then we must pay tax and
other things from this 22%.
438
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:38,220
It's not much.
439
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,560
In my next life, I'm
owner of a good website.
440
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,130
Yeah.
441
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:16,090
- Fabian thylmann may
have had his first successes
442
00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:21,060
in Germany, but he made his
fortune in the American market.
443
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:24,060
And it's also there that
he extended his monopoly
444
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:26,270
over the entire industry.
445
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:35,710
- I was under contract
with a studio called
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00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:38,210
digital playground from
447
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:39,510
late 2007 to
448
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:43,150
the middle of 2013.
449
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:46,690
And then digital playground was
purchased
450
00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:50,020
by a larger company called
manwin,
451
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:52,590
and they have a monopoly on
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00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:56,230
the production studios in
America.
453
00:41:56,230 --> 00:42:00,170
One of the first things that
i noticed with the new owners
454
00:42:00,170 --> 00:42:05,000
was this complete lack
of respect for the crew.
455
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:09,140
And they put in extremely
long hours sometimes,
456
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:12,280
like especially in a large
feature, 20 hour days.
457
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:17,250
I was there at 6:00 am, shoot
all day,
458
00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:21,550
leave set at two o'clock in the
morning,
459
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,190
go home, sleep for a couple
hours, come back the next day.
460
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:28,190
It was a capitalism machine to
461
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,960
the detriment of any other
concerns.
462
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,770
You don't take care of your
people.
463
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:37,100
Which then, sure enough, they've
repeated
464
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:40,340
massive firings of the workers,
465
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:42,070
and that's just it.
466
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Capitalism.
467
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:44,980
Yay.
468
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:48,010
- Have you ever met the
board,
469
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:51,120
someone like Fabian thylmann?
470
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Have you ever met him?
471
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:55,690
- I met him.
472
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,960
I don't necessarily believe
473
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:03,360
that he ever owned the company,
really.
474
00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,030
They're just fishy, all right?
475
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200
They're just a fishy, weird
company.
476
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:17,310
My fleshlight royalties, when
the wire transfers come in,
477
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:20,710
go through banks in
places like South Africa,
478
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,080
they have offices in Ireland.
479
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,320
It's a bunch of,
480
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,050
it's a bunch of men with Greek
last names
481
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:31,660
and thick Greek accents
claiming to be quebecois.
482
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:34,630
I just don't believe anything
they say,
483
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:37,800
having worked for them,
because nothing makes sense.
484
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:51,940
- I was investigating a load
of online black markets,
485
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:55,310
digital activism, anonymous,
that kind of culture,
486
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,850
that was mostly what I was
writing about.
487
00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:59,720
And there were rumors, and
actually,
488
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,190
one company did, for all
intents and purposes,
489
00:44:02,190 --> 00:44:05,290
own a complete monopoly on
porn distribution online
490
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:06,930
and no one really know about it.
491
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:08,990
They have hundreds of tube
sites.
492
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,060
But pornhub was always their
main one.
493
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:13,670
I think it's the one
they focused primarily on
494
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:16,100
attracting to a female audience
more,
495
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,940
so they took a lot more of
the aggressive, extreme,
496
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:21,410
horrifying fetishes out of it
497
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:23,040
and left in all the other ones.
498
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,110
But also using pornhub as an
advertising campaign online,
499
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:31,280
billboards, Times Square,
everywhere, just kind of
500
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:33,190
recognizing that it's already
popular,
501
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:35,720
but for anyone out there
who may not use pornhub
502
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,860
or know of pornhub as their main
go-to,
503
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,130
just show that it's a legitimate
business,
504
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:42,190
because of course, if you
can advertise in public,
505
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,800
you must be legitimate.
506
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,130
The natural conclusion,
why would anyone think that
507
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:50,700
an evil company could put a
billboard anywhere in New York?
508
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:55,310
All you need is hand
509
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:56,940
ba ba da da da
510
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,140
all you need is hand
511
00:44:59,150 --> 00:45:00,910
ba ba da da da
512
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320
all you need is hand, hand
513
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,950
hand is all you need
514
00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:08,250
- one more time and go!
515
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:10,720
All you need is hand
516
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:12,220
ba ba da da da
517
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:14,490
all you need is hand
518
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,130
ba ba da da da
519
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:20,130
all you need is hand, hand
520
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:23,500
hand is all you need
521
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:31,880
- the bigger they
become,
522
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,750
the more they can get away with.
523
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:38,820
This is how our suffering
became part of pop culture,
524
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:43,090
with a little bit of
cynicism, and a lot of lube.
525
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:48,190
Worst of all, everyone is
lapping it up, or seems to be.
526
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
It seems that asking too many
questions
527
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:52,830
would kill the excitement of it
all.
528
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:56,840
- Why would anyone pay
529
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,100
if you gave them something for
free?
530
00:45:59,110 --> 00:46:02,270
Why would people choose
to do the moral thing?
531
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,180
I don't think people in their
nature
532
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:07,010
are altruistic all the time,
533
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:08,410
especially when it's something
that has
534
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:11,050
the connotation of shame and
secrecy.
535
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:13,790
And we're not really
comfortable with our erotica
536
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:16,190
and our pornography in general.
537
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,390
It's easy, it's available.
538
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:30,800
- A lot of people don't even
realize
539
00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:33,040
the videos that they're
watching on those sites
540
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,470
are probably not there
with the permission of
541
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,010
the studio that produced it,
or the performers or anything.
542
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:41,210
People just kind of disregard
it, like,
543
00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:44,450
"who cares if they're getting
ripped off?"
544
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:47,350
People just don't have much
sympathy for
545
00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:49,860
porn performers or studios.
546
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:54,490
You know, in the 80s, you
had the meese commission
547
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,300
and you had anti-porn
people, like Andrea dworkin,
548
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:02,840
who were determined to put
an end to all pornography.
549
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:09,040
And those people sought to
really destroy
550
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,180
the adult entertainment
industry.
551
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:14,350
And they were unsuccessful in
doing that.
552
00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:17,150
But then you have a
company that comes along,
553
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:21,020
owning these tube sites,
who's done more damage
554
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:24,190
to the adult industry than any
politician
555
00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:27,860
or anti-porn person could
have ever dreamed of doing.
556
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:31,230
And instead of circling
the wagons and putting up
557
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:35,600
a unified front against
them, we've invited them in.
558
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,610
So, just so many people, in my
opinion, have just sold out.
559
00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:42,210
They said, "well, I'll
just take the money."
560
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:46,250
And ethics, money talks and
ethics walks.
561
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:50,550
And it's very disheartening
to some extent.
562
00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:03,220
- Since the
beginning of the crisis,
563
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:06,450
the porn industry has been
facing a sharp increase
564
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:09,550
in sexually transmitted
diseases.
565
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Because they fear losing out on
work,
566
00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:16,360
some actors falsify their
medical tests.
567
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,700
In 2012, a syphilis epidemic
affected the whole industry.
568
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:25,700
Ironically, during that same
year,
569
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:30,040
manwin financed a large
campaign against measure b,
570
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,340
a law that would make the use of
condoms
571
00:50:32,350 --> 00:50:34,710
during filming obligatory.
572
00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:37,250
- Hi, I'm Tara Patrick.
573
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:39,180
- And I'm Ron Jeremy.
574
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:42,090
- A mandatory condom law will
not
575
00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:44,460
make our work place any safer.
576
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,660
But it will drive our $20
billion dollar industry
577
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:51,630
and 10,000 jobs out of la
county.
578
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:55,730
- Vote no on measure b.
579
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:58,640
And keep the adult business in
California.
580
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:15,180
- Sorry, you need some drink,
581
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:17,820
otherwise this will never work.
582
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:24,320
Ladies and gentlemen, I am very
honored to be here tonight.
583
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,760
Obviously, we have to find a way
to stop
584
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:33,670
harmful acts against
people in the industry,
585
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:36,270
which goes for both women and
men.
586
00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:39,640
For me, this was very
important in many, many ways,
587
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,380
because I knew the way I ran the
business.
588
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,550
I, in my opinion at least,
589
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:49,450
protected everyone as much as i
could.
590
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:50,650
So I do prefer
591
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,790
people coming to my websites
than going to others,
592
00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:55,690
which are much more,
593
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,430
more underground so to speak,
and do not control so much.
594
00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:03,500
Thank you.
595
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,210
- Success proved to be
fleeting.
596
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,250
Game over for the king of porn.
597
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,610
At least with Fabian thylmann,
we had a name and a face.
598
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:57,950
But since manwin became
mindgeek,
599
00:53:57,950 --> 00:54:00,790
the picture is far less clear.
600
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:12,260
But who's behind this company?
601
00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:13,000
- It's not clear.
602
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,330
I mean we know at the beginning,
603
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:17,700
the original company was called
mansef,
604
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:22,340
and that was Stefan manos
and yuissem youssef,
605
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:24,380
which was the man and the sef.
606
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:28,680
And those were allegedly
the original founders.
607
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,050
And then, after a while, they
changed their name to manwin.
608
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:36,960
And at that point, they
would not say whether or not
609
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,330
the original owners were
still involved or not.
610
00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:42,330
They said, "well it's
under new ownership",
611
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:43,430
but they wouldn't say who it
was.
612
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:46,460
And that's when Fabian thylmann
became
613
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:47,930
the face of the company.
614
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:49,400
And even then, people were like,
615
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,570
"is he really the owner of the
company
616
00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:54,010
"or is he just kind of
the front man for it?"
617
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:56,070
It was still very unclear.
618
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,640
And then a few years ago, they
rebranded their name again
619
00:54:59,650 --> 00:55:02,780
to mindgeek, and they still
won't say whether or not
620
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:04,880
the original owners are
involved.
621
00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:07,490
With other adult studios,
you pretty much know
622
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:09,350
who owns the company.
623
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,460
But with these guys, nobody
really knows
624
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:14,790
who's behind
everything.
625
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,500
It's very kind of mysterious.
626
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:24,000
- On the paper, Mr. thylmann
was the owner and ceo,
627
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,700
he was running the show.
628
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:29,640
Now, obviously, there
are other dependencies.
629
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,480
There are people that gave him
the money,
630
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,750
people that we don't know.
631
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,420
Then also what is weird is Mr.
thylmann
632
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:39,820
was sitting in Brussels,
633
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:43,020
but the main headquarters
with the most employees
634
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:46,620
and still the same thing today,
635
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:50,460
mindgeek is actually residing
in Montreal in Canada.
636
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:53,800
Now from Brussels to Canada
is quite a distance, yeah?
637
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,000
So and, I'm very certain that
other managers in Canada,
638
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,410
the same that bought manwin
and renamed it mindgeek
639
00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:04,810
that they were very influential
also in the days back then.
640
00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:08,610
To me, it's like, of course, the
Canadians
641
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:11,120
manage the show in that moment,
you know?
642
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:20,490
During the course of our
investigation,
643
00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:24,830
we pulled up some trade
register records in Cyprus.
644
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,030
And there was a remark on a
charge.
645
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,740
And that was giving the number
of
646
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:35,640
$362 million us dollars,
647
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,940
I think was the number
that they gave there,
648
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:43,050
so I assume that this was
sort of the amount that he got
649
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:46,050
to buy companies, other
companies.
650
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:49,990
- And where does this money come
from?
651
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:50,990
- Well, it's tough to say.
652
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:52,590
We tried to follow the money.
653
00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:54,430
In the end we found
654
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:58,630
two guys that were former
Goldman sachs bankers
655
00:56:58,630 --> 00:57:00,900
in New York, wall street,
656
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,800
who are now working on their own
ticket.
657
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,770
And,
658
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:07,710
they were deeply involved with
the,
659
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:09,940
the moving of the money to Mr.
thylmann.
660
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:13,710
But, obviously, at some point,
people are not telling you
661
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,050
where the money is coming from
anymore.
662
00:57:26,790 --> 00:57:29,930
- Two journalists, two German
journalists from die welt,
663
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:33,830
they say that some of
the money from the loan
664
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:36,870
came from wall street,
which is right here.
665
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:37,970
- Yes.
666
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:40,540
- And from a hedge fund, but, i
mean,
667
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:43,910
no hedge fund never, ever
invests money in porn.
668
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:45,910
- Oh yeah, you would never, i
mean,
669
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:48,910
for the longest time, the only
people who would finance porn
670
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,820
back in the early days was like,
the mob.
671
00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:55,590
You weren't getting a loan
from the bank to shoot
672
00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:58,920
the next deep throat,
that wasn't gonna happen.
673
00:57:58,930 --> 00:58:02,260
So, it's still that way to some
extent.
674
00:58:02,260 --> 00:58:06,100
You see, to this day, performers
get their bank accounts
675
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:07,930
shut off from different banks,
676
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:10,200
so there's still that kind of
stigma.
677
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,970
So I can't imagine,
678
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:15,110
Goldman sachs saying,
679
00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:17,880
"here, take a bunch of
money to shoot porn."
680
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,240
So I mean, it's,
681
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:23,620
it's mind-boggling, it's just
crazy,
682
00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:27,020
would they really get money
from a hedge fund for that,
683
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:28,990
or was there something else
involved?
684
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:29,920
It's just,
685
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,060
it's hard to wrap your mind
around.
686
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,810
- Advertising
campaigns, wall street money,
687
00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:51,240
swanky offices in Canada,
688
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:56,010
you could almost forget that
their business is pornography.
689
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:58,880
But if mindgeek seems so
respectable,
690
00:58:58,890 --> 00:59:02,720
why then do so many people in
the business fear it so much?
691
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,190
- My experience was
mostly a wall of silence.
692
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:08,060
I probably could have spent
weeks
693
00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:11,160
calling hundreds of more
producers and performers and
694
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,200
there were people who
just didn't even know
695
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,800
what mindgeek or manwin was,
696
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,670
and the ones who'd been around
for a while
697
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:19,840
were much more hesitant to talk
openly.
698
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,040
And as more publications came
out,
699
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,080
you began to realize that
many actors and producers
700
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,050
that went out publicly
to talk against mindgeek
701
00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:31,250
said that they were
blacklisted as a result,
702
00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:33,820
that they were blacklisted
in the industry,
703
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:36,820
couldn't perform, couldn't get
any deals.
704
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:38,990
There was intimidation.
705
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:42,060
You can look on several
publications online where
706
00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:45,360
porn stars have talked
openly about being threatened
707
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:47,800
through legal documents or
warnings,
708
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,930
and many who have been
outright blacklisted,
709
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:52,740
who don't work anymore and
who had to create their own
710
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:55,940
independent brand, and
very small boutique site,
711
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:57,910
that they hoped people would
come to.
712
00:59:57,910 --> 01:00:02,280
But as we know, 95 plus
percent of porn viewers online
713
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,820
go to tube sites.
714
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:05,350
So the majority of the porn
audience,
715
01:00:05,350 --> 01:00:07,020
if you want to get their
attention,
716
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:10,320
you have to work with
mindgeek to some degree.
717
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,960
So, it had this kind of
718
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,290
cartel, mafia feel to it
more than a business model.
719
01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:20,700
- The more I dig,
720
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:24,670
the more complicated
it all seems to become.
721
01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:29,040
The American authorities
seem strangely uninterested.
722
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:34,680
The only investigation dates
back to 2009 in Atlanta.
723
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,750
Maybe there, I will find some
answers.
724
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,090
- Yeah, I was afraid he was
gonna run into that because,
725
01:01:56,100 --> 01:02:00,130
yeah, everybody will
tell you about mindgeek
726
01:02:00,130 --> 01:02:03,330
until you ask them on the
record.
727
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:05,440
You know, when they
actually have to say it
728
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,840
in front of a camera,
729
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,910
or say it with a tape recorder
rolling,
730
01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:11,480
then they don't want to
say anything because, yeah,
731
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,450
they depend on mindgeek for
work.
732
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:18,820
- Mike knows the dirty
secrets
733
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:21,790
of the American porn industry.
734
01:02:21,790 --> 01:02:24,320
He was one of the first to be
questioned
735
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,330
by the secret services after the
accounts
736
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:29,760
in Atlanta were seized.
737
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,130
- I got a tip from someone
inside manwin who said,
738
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,340
"look at fortress investment
group."
739
01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:43,340
It turned out that
fortress investment group
740
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:46,780
bought a small piece of a larger
loan
741
01:02:47,980 --> 01:02:51,120
that was made by cold back
capital.
742
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,420
So cold back capital loaned to
manwin $350 million dollars.
743
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,360
And manwin used that money
744
01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:03,030
to buy the digital playground,
745
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:05,960
they used that money to buy
babes.Com,
746
01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:08,570
they used that money to buy
redtube.
747
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:12,100
So you look at all these
purchases they made,
748
01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:14,110
and most of them are failing.
749
01:03:14,110 --> 01:03:18,140
I cannot think of one legal
business
750
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:21,880
that is making money, that
mindgeek owns.
751
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,480
The important thing to remember
here
752
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,080
is what mindgeek is selling.
753
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:31,820
They're selling traffic, okay?
754
01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:33,890
And they are selling it
755
01:03:35,330 --> 01:03:38,000
to other mindgeek companies.
756
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:42,230
And they sell it to
other mindgeek companies,
757
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,140
and they sell it to
other mindgeek companies.
758
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:47,140
And what is traffic?
759
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:48,240
It's nothing.
760
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,610
There's no inventory of traffic.
761
01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:54,410
I can't call up a parts supplier
and say,
762
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:55,880
"hey, I need more traffic,
763
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,850
"so you have to send
me a million widgets."
764
01:03:59,850 --> 01:04:03,390
They can create traffic anytime,
for free.
765
01:04:05,020 --> 01:04:09,090
There is no inventory, so
it's very difficult to track.
766
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:13,430
It appears that their primary
industry is not pornography,
767
01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:16,930
but moving money
768
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:21,440
from country to country
to country to country.
769
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,140
What we call in America money
laundering.
770
01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:28,380
Can I prove that?
771
01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:29,510
No.
772
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,280
That is my opinion.
773
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:34,290
But it is well-founded.
774
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:39,160
- In the end,
the judicial inquiries
775
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,290
remain in limbo, and some have
been settled out of court.
776
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,900
Even in Atlanta, despite the
allegations
777
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:49,430
of money laundering, the
only penalty was a fine.
778
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,900
The empire appears to be
untouchable.
779
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:56,210
Has he ever tried to contact
you?
780
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:58,680
- They have
contacted me many times.
781
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,450
Even Fabian thylmann contacted
me,
782
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:06,980
and he was going to buy
advertising on mikesouth.Com.
783
01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,260
And he offered me a lot of
money.
784
01:05:11,260 --> 01:05:12,660
But I understood
785
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:18,130
it was not really advertising
he was trying to buy,
786
01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:20,430
it was my silence.
787
01:05:20,430 --> 01:05:24,700
In the last three years, i
have had my life threatened
788
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:26,700
five, maybe six times.
789
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:29,070
- And do you know who
it is?
790
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:29,940
- No.
791
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:31,110
- No?
- No.
792
01:05:31,110 --> 01:05:32,980
- It's anonymous.
- They are anonymous.
793
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:35,050
- Okay.
- And, you know,
794
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:38,380
if they call me on the telephone
and say,
795
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:40,180
"I'm going to kill you",
796
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:42,120
or if they send me an email and
say,
797
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,220
"I'm going to kill you",
798
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,190
that doesn't concern me very
much.
799
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:52,500
But the last time, they
left a box on my front door.
800
01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:58,100
It had a toy fire truck
and a fire extinguisher
801
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,410
and a book of matches
and a card that said,
802
01:06:02,410 --> 01:06:05,380
"I'm sorry your house burned
down."
803
01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:07,710
To me, that is a direct threat.
804
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:10,980
And so I carry a gun wherever i
go.
805
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,390
Honestly, I would hope that i
never have
806
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:18,620
to draw my gun on someone.
807
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,230
I hope that never happens.
808
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:25,400
But if it does happen, I will do
it.
809
01:06:40,550 --> 01:06:42,680
- Throughout my
investigation,
810
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,520
I heard some wild rumors.
811
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,250
Mafias across the world
seemed to be implicated,
812
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:53,060
in south America, the
middle east, eastern Europe,
813
01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:54,260
and even Asia.
814
01:06:55,660 --> 01:06:59,500
I'm not sure if we will ever
get to the bottom of it all.
815
01:07:01,470 --> 01:07:04,600
Ultimately, today's porn
industry is all about
816
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,540
big Internet companies that
generate billions of hits
817
01:07:08,540 --> 01:07:11,340
that have no connection with the
workforce
818
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:14,310
at the end of the production
line.
819
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,590
Tube sites are not the only
websites
820
01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:28,560
that took advantage of the
Internet.
821
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,460
Another lucrative venture is the
live cam,
822
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:33,760
a kind of peep show 2.0.
823
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:36,830
It's one of the premium offers
to which the video sites
824
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,370
try to redirect consumers.
825
01:07:39,370 --> 01:07:40,340
- Hello.
826
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,740
- Welcome in my room.
827
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:46,680
- The girls perform
for consumers for a price,
828
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,850
and the it platforms connect the
two.
829
01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:54,350
Even porn has not escaped
the uber-ization of work.
830
01:08:19,580 --> 01:08:22,450
The market leader is live
Jasmin,
831
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:24,880
also one of mindgeek's main
customers
832
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,650
in terms of advertising space.
833
01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:33,360
But live Jasmin is more
transparent than mindgeek,
834
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,660
and they agreed to open their
doors to me.
835
01:08:37,660 --> 01:08:41,170
- This is the product
development department.
836
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:44,640
These are the guys who
are actually working on
837
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,270
the development of live Jasmin
838
01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:48,440
and our live streaming products.
839
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:51,510
So this is the finance
department here.
840
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:55,210
Here we have the legal
department, hr,
841
01:08:55,210 --> 01:08:57,820
office management, vr
department.
842
01:08:57,820 --> 01:09:00,850
- How many employees are
working here in Luxembourg?
843
01:09:00,850 --> 01:09:02,790
- Around 200.
844
01:09:02,790 --> 01:09:04,790
200, and most of them,
845
01:09:06,290 --> 01:09:08,560
more than half of them are
developers.
846
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,930
For example, here are the
guys who are developing
847
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:14,170
the platform for the models.
848
01:09:14,170 --> 01:09:16,700
- It's funny because it doesn't
look like
849
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,600
an adult company at all.
850
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,770
- No, it's not.
851
01:09:19,770 --> 01:09:21,570
It could be a bank
because we have all the,
852
01:09:21,570 --> 01:09:25,240
all the roles and all the
activities and
853
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,750
staff that's needed for a bank.
854
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:29,950
It's a well-structured big
company
855
01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:33,380
that stands behind this
business.
856
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:37,720
So this why we don't consider
ourselves as adult company
857
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,390
because we are it company.
858
01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:41,860
We are company which is
responsible
859
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:43,460
for development of the platform.
860
01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:44,960
We give the platform
861
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,360
and we give them to
the members and models,
862
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:48,900
and they can meet on the
platform.
863
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:51,370
- In fact, you
never meet the girls?
864
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:52,570
It's very--
- not really, no.
865
01:09:52,570 --> 01:09:55,440
Physically we don't meet the
girls because
866
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,410
they are the other side of the
world,
867
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:59,340
and we just give them a
platform.
868
01:09:59,350 --> 01:10:03,510
- How many cam girls
are working for live Jasmin?
869
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,220
- Well, that's, that's a
tricky question because
870
01:10:07,220 --> 01:10:10,790
they are, lots of models come
and leave.
871
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:14,890
I mean, we have registered
around two million models
872
01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:17,760
who are registered for the
website.
873
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,000
But I mean, I would say,
actively,
874
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,230
there are around 50,000
who are active currently
875
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,770
on the website, that they have
account
876
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:26,700
and they come online.
877
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,380
- Far from Luxembourg
and its business districts,
878
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:44,360
thousands of workers
struggle to make a living.
879
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,860
Here in timisoara,
880
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:49,960
I get the feeling that a
new form of exploitation
881
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,800
of sex workers has developed.
882
01:11:23,330 --> 01:11:25,530
- I'm 25.
883
01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:27,900
I was working as a waitress
884
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:30,430
in restaurants.
885
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:34,070
It was pretty hard and
886
01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:40,040
I wasn't earning as much
money as I wished to,
887
01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:41,510
because I have plans.
888
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:43,910
I want to finish university.
889
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:46,580
And my mother,
890
01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:50,950
it's gone in another country for
work.
891
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:54,020
So I'm staying alone and,
892
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:57,860
and I have to pay for all.
893
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,800
So...
894
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:22,350
- Romanians, we produce 50%
of all incomes in the world.
895
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,090
Half from this industry
is produced by Romanians.
896
01:12:28,090 --> 01:12:31,700
From my opinion, I think
that there are active models,
897
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:33,030
at least 10,000,
898
01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:35,570
in Romania.
899
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:55,150
- I'm from arad.
900
01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:57,820
It's near from timisoara.
901
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:59,960
I have four sisters more
902
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:03,590
and one little brother.
903
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,930
My mother is cooking in a big
restaurant,
904
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:09,600
and my father, I don't know.
905
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:13,670
I saw him only one time in my
life.
906
01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:18,810
I think I will do this job
907
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:22,010
until I reach my goal.
908
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:27,420
And I open a little business for
me.
909
01:13:28,650 --> 01:13:31,460
And, 'til I have a family.
910
01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:34,460
Guys, if you want, there is
more.
911
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,990
You want a bit more?
912
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,630
- From here, they are not so
wealthy.
913
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:47,470
They are coming from poor
families.
914
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:51,710
And they are struggling to build
a future.
915
01:13:51,710 --> 01:13:53,610
- My life is like this.
916
01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:55,550
I work, I sleep.
917
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:56,750
I work, I sleep.
918
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:59,050
I don't do nothing.
919
01:13:59,050 --> 01:14:01,620
- How many hours
per day do you work?
920
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,120
- Eight, nine, 10.
921
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,090
- Any you told me that
922
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:08,890
some girls are from Colombia?
923
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:10,560
- Yeah.
924
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,630
Colombia is the next country
competing with Romania with
925
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,970
numbers of webcam orders.
926
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:18,170
- Colombia.
927
01:14:18,170 --> 01:14:20,540
- Yeah.
- Why Colombia?
928
01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:26,140
- Because I think they are poor
also.
929
01:14:26,150 --> 01:14:27,980
- But, this is this life.
930
01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:31,150
We have to fight for have
something.
931
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:38,890
We can't have all the things
without, make something.
932
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,240
- The platforms take
on average of 60 to 70% share
933
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,070
of what the customers pay.
934
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:59,680
For a girl working in a studio,
her fees are even halved.
935
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,950
But users always beg for free
shows
936
01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:10,750
and the girls waste their time.
937
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:15,060
Sometimes the camgirls go
home at the end of the day
938
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:17,900
having earned no money at all.
939
01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:32,780
- We figured out that every
day, maybe 200 or 300 people
940
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:35,910
at least visit their chatrooms.
941
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,950
Figure out,
942
01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:42,090
customers that are entering
and said, "you are a bitch",
943
01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:44,660
or said bad things to them.
944
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,730
And also the hardest part
outside here it's that
945
01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:53,560
they renounce their social life.
946
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:55,930
So for my opinion,
947
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:58,570
it's a job that takes
948
01:15:58,570 --> 01:16:00,770
from one year to five year
maximum.
949
01:16:00,770 --> 01:16:03,340
- How much do
they earn per month?
950
01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:04,580
The average?
951
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:06,010
- Average, around
952
01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:09,850
$1,400 us dollars.
953
01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:11,750
The average.
954
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,360
- What's the
turnover of live Jasmin?
955
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,760
- It's, I can tell approximate
number,
956
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:31,170
it's around $305 million a year.
957
01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:34,170
We have our incomes growing year
by year.
958
01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:38,140
We can grow, we usually grow our
incomes,
959
01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:41,850
it depends on the year but
more than 10% every year.
960
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:43,710
Sometimes even more.
961
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,680
- And why are you in
Luxembourg?
962
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,720
- Well, there were several
reasons for Luxembourg that
time.
963
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,920
The obvious reason would
be to say that yeah,
964
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,820
it's for the tax reasons but
965
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:54,220
we are always focusing on having
966
01:16:54,230 --> 01:16:56,090
the best people working with us.
967
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:58,900
The best people, especially in
technology.
968
01:16:58,900 --> 01:16:59,860
And,
969
01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:04,900
in terms of having an attractive
environment for people,
970
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:08,710
worldwide, I think
Luxembourg is a good place.
971
01:17:08,710 --> 01:17:11,380
I think we are really happy to
be here and
972
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:13,310
we want to stay here.
973
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:41,370
- So, smitty, I want you
to remove your clothes
974
01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:43,310
and down on your knees,
975
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:46,880
that you are positioned in front
of me.
976
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,880
Great, very good, my boy.
977
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,310
You like my boots?
978
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,250
Leather.
979
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:57,290
Clean my dirty soles.
980
01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:01,060
Lick my heels.
981
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:04,390
Very well.
982
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,900
Now, I want you to put the
plastic bag in your hand,
983
01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:12,470
and then around your neck.
984
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:14,740
Use that tape.
985
01:18:14,740 --> 01:18:16,840
You will have no air.
986
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:17,810
So do it.
987
01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:23,280
And how I promise you,
i will show you my ass.
988
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,890
- In principle,
it's a private exchange
989
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:35,890
between consenting adults.
990
01:18:35,890 --> 01:18:39,930
But if problems arise, who is
responsible?
991
01:18:39,930 --> 01:18:40,960
- You see?
992
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,230
What do you think about her?
993
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,330
You like it?
994
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,810
She can do very dirty
things in private like
995
01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:52,280
eating poo and drinking pee.
996
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,210
Most of the Chinese girl
are submissive ones.
997
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,350
It's asking just 50
credits for natural squirt,
998
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,190
including blow job, that's
almost nothing,
999
01:19:06,190 --> 01:19:07,960
less than one dollar.
1000
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,960
So it's, in my opinion,
selling herself very,
1001
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:14,300
very cheap.
1002
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:18,300
- With the arrival
of the sex multinationals,
1003
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,840
what we knew as porn has
given way to a sector subject
1004
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,480
to the same rules of
an ultra-liberal world.
1005
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:29,250
An unrestrained capitalism,
a scorched-earth policy,
1006
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:32,150
a complete disregard for
workers.
1007
01:19:32,150 --> 01:19:33,920
When you think about it,
1008
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,390
mindgeek is a little like
the monsanto of porn.
71329
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