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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:35,610 --> 00:02:39,170 - Never before has so much porn been watched, 2 00:02:39,180 --> 00:02:42,240 and yet the porn industry is in its death throes. 3 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:54,320 - These sites have turned the industry 4 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,490 upside down. 5 00:02:55,490 --> 00:02:56,820 They've swallowed up everything, 6 00:02:56,830 --> 00:02:58,960 absorbed everything, without mercy. 7 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,730 - We knew that it was gonna, 8 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:03,230 gonna kill the industry. 9 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,300 - Production companies are shutting down 10 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:10,240 one by one, and the first victims are women. 11 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,740 Actresses are forced to take part in increasingly 12 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:15,610 hardcore porn, for half as much money. 13 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:17,780 - Many production believe that the harder you shoot-- 14 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:18,950 - yes the harder the better. 15 00:03:18,950 --> 00:03:21,420 - The bigger you put inside. 16 00:03:21,420 --> 00:03:23,920 - Yeah, she's had a lot of cocks in her ass. 17 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,220 Four cocks at the same time. 18 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:27,660 - Just a handful of geeks, 19 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:30,930 who came out of nowhere, have profited from this misery, 20 00:03:30,930 --> 00:03:33,460 earning unprecedented amounts of money. 21 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:34,730 - How many users of pornhub-- 22 00:03:34,730 --> 00:03:36,230 - 16 million a day. 23 00:03:36,230 --> 00:03:37,470 - Wait a minute, who is this? 24 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:41,670 - Turn over a month was roughly $40 million, us. 25 00:03:41,670 --> 00:03:42,740 - A month? - A month. 26 00:03:46,780 --> 00:03:48,780 - I don't believe anything that they say, 27 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:51,750 having worked for them, because nothing makes sense. 28 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:52,850 - Behind all of this 29 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:54,680 are shady financial operations, 30 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,450 an opaque business where the law of silence reigns. 31 00:03:57,450 --> 00:03:58,720 - In the last three years, 32 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,960 I have had my life threatened maybe six times, 33 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,430 so I carry a gun, just in case. 34 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:39,030 - I made adult films for 17 years. 35 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:41,900 I know this industry very well. 36 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:45,400 A few years ago, I found out that my films 37 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,400 were being shown for free without my consent, 38 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:51,610 and that now, anyone can access them; 39 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:54,540 neighbors, colleagues, children. 40 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,080 The piracy of my films has affected my life far more 41 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,920 than anyone might ever suspect. 42 00:05:03,850 --> 00:05:08,390 Since the mid-1990s, Budapest has been the undisputed 43 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:10,590 European capital of porn. 44 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:13,060 If we would find the victims 45 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:17,830 of this great transformation anywhere, it would be here. 46 00:05:32,010 --> 00:05:32,950 - Hello. - Hi. 47 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:34,420 - I'm Alina, nice to meet you. 48 00:05:34,420 --> 00:05:35,580 - Ovidie, nice to meet you. 49 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:36,550 - Welcome. 50 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,660 - Hello. 51 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:48,930 Yes. 52 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:49,860 Hello. - Hello. 53 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:51,800 - Come, come inside. 54 00:05:52,970 --> 00:05:54,540 - Ovidie, nice to meet you. 55 00:05:54,540 --> 00:05:56,870 - Nice to meet you. 56 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:59,470 - This is the main page of our website. 57 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,610 Here you can find models who does hardcore shootings, 58 00:06:02,610 --> 00:06:05,780 so like, girl-girl, boy-girl, anal and more. 59 00:06:05,780 --> 00:06:07,480 So you have information here; 60 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,820 name, age, place of residence, the breast, 61 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:14,020 and all the stuff that productions need to know, 62 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:16,860 and what she does, from soft to, 63 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:18,590 to double anal or whatever. 64 00:06:19,930 --> 00:06:21,930 - How many girls do you have right now? 65 00:06:21,930 --> 00:06:24,070 - Right now? - Working right now? 66 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:27,140 - Right now, this i don't know, I don't count. 67 00:06:27,140 --> 00:06:31,870 From our hardcore, it's i think around maybe 200, 68 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,880 150, but it's always changing because 69 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,550 some of them get pregnant, some of them get married, 70 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:43,520 some of them just don't want to work in porn anymore. 71 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,820 So we have, the girls are always changing, 72 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:48,590 but we keep it up like I think. 73 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:53,860 - So you started eight years ago. 74 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:55,700 The tubes arrived, meanwhile. 75 00:06:56,630 --> 00:06:58,030 - It was sweet, sweet beginning. 76 00:06:58,030 --> 00:07:00,640 It was super nice business, everything was, 77 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,940 everyone was cool, and the rates was higher, 78 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:06,510 the business was, and all the girls was pretty 79 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:08,840 because the rates was a bit higher. 80 00:07:08,850 --> 00:07:12,150 And then one moment, everything started falling down, 81 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:15,620 crashing, productions began closing, after crisis. 82 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:19,120 I think that half of the big productions were closed, 83 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,960 the Americans stopped to come. 84 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,830 - And the practices, did they change as well? 85 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:26,230 - Oh yeah. - It's become more rough. 86 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:29,830 It's become more, let's say, generally, 87 00:07:31,230 --> 00:07:32,170 humanity 88 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:39,010 changes, so it has become more pervert, more dirty mind. 89 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:41,980 - Do you think it's because of the tubes? 90 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:46,180 - Yeah, because the porn become more accessible. 91 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,220 Anyone now can open Internet and find anything they want, 92 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:54,060 and when they watch this, they say, 93 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:55,160 "okay, what's the next level? 94 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,620 "What's the next step?" 95 00:07:56,630 --> 00:07:58,860 They always curious about, 96 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:00,830 go deeper and deeper and deeper. 97 00:08:00,830 --> 00:08:02,230 People become crazy. 98 00:08:02,230 --> 00:08:05,170 Much crazier than before. 99 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:57,080 - So today, very easy, it's only pussy sex today. 100 00:08:57,090 --> 00:08:59,150 We don't want to push too much, she is completely new, 101 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,190 it's her second time she is with a boy out of me 102 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:05,730 for the casting, but afterwards David, and now it's you. 103 00:09:05,730 --> 00:09:08,160 She is a super adorable person, she enjoys so much, 104 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,730 she likes to be slapped on the ass. 105 00:09:09,730 --> 00:09:12,830 So do not hesitate to be very active, 106 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,570 but not too much aggressive. 107 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:15,340 And, 108 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:18,770 do whatever you want in term of position, 109 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:21,610 she enjoy very much, she do fantastic, fantastic, 110 00:09:21,610 --> 00:09:23,640 you will see, she is great. 111 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:25,050 So I think you will have fun with her. 112 00:09:30,690 --> 00:09:33,820 Kisses, you put the hand under the dress, 113 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:35,690 and you tickle the panties, okay? 114 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:37,790 And we will begin with that. 115 00:09:37,790 --> 00:09:38,790 All right? 116 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Action. 117 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,230 - The difference with previous generations 118 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:34,170 is that today's actresses have grown up with porn. 119 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:37,300 They've been subjected to and accepted practices 120 00:12:37,310 --> 00:12:40,240 that most producers would never before have dared 121 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,840 to even propose. 122 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,050 - We are having a model house here, 123 00:12:45,050 --> 00:12:49,450 in the city center, that is close to all locations. 124 00:12:49,450 --> 00:12:51,990 There is six sleeping places, 125 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:53,850 and girl living all together and 126 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:55,360 they are not like, really alone here, 127 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,860 they can get everything they want and we are 24 hours online 128 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:02,460 to help them with anything they need. 129 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:04,170 - History of porn, they just need to 130 00:13:04,170 --> 00:13:05,170 watch all of these movies. 131 00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:11,370 Actually, it is including history for the last 132 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:13,040 15 years of porn. 133 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,840 It's Americans, Europeans, all nationalities, 134 00:13:16,850 --> 00:13:18,510 all type of porn. 135 00:13:18,510 --> 00:13:21,450 It's Rocco ravishes Prague 4. 136 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:24,290 I think now it's 27 already or 137 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:25,850 34 or something. 138 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:40,230 - If the girls want to see, they have DVD. 139 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,940 And time to watch. 140 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:15,640 - Niki, she worked in this industry just for 141 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,170 I don't know, for one month, maybe, a little bit less. 142 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,080 And she arrived and most of the things in sex, 143 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,650 she tried on the shootings, 144 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:29,480 even such a simple thing like a cowgirl position, 145 00:14:29,490 --> 00:14:32,290 she had never tried it in her real life. 146 00:14:32,290 --> 00:14:35,190 Of course, first anal, she tried it on the set. 147 00:14:35,190 --> 00:14:38,590 First double penetration, she tried it on the set. 148 00:14:38,590 --> 00:14:40,390 - And she's been here only one month? 149 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,460 - Yeah. 150 00:14:41,460 --> 00:14:44,430 - It happens often that some girls-- 151 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:45,400 - try new things? 152 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,130 - Try new things on the set? 153 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:48,470 - Yeah. 154 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:51,040 Not such simple things like a blow job for example, 155 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,940 or some positions. 156 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:54,410 Of course on special positions, 157 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:57,610 we shoot in the porn movies like upside down or something. 158 00:14:59,150 --> 00:15:01,620 Normally we don't do in real life, they try here. 159 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:03,950 But anal, pretty often it happens 160 00:15:03,950 --> 00:15:06,450 first time on the shootings. 161 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:18,260 - Breakfast. 162 00:16:23,130 --> 00:16:26,470 - Only sweets for breakfast? 163 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:29,170 - Because sweets give energy. 164 00:16:35,140 --> 00:16:36,310 Nothing food. 165 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:39,610 Water and sweets. 166 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:41,450 - Why? 167 00:16:41,450 --> 00:16:42,380 - Because 168 00:16:43,690 --> 00:16:44,650 anal sex, 169 00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:47,090 it's 170 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:50,360 food 171 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:55,130 and whoa, it's no good, no good. 172 00:16:55,130 --> 00:16:56,300 But I'm wash. 173 00:16:58,030 --> 00:16:59,130 It's normal. 174 00:17:44,650 --> 00:17:45,680 - Okay. 175 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,290 - So you can, you can get white with this and this, 176 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,530 and 177 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,230 what about the shoes, it's here? 178 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,430 Okay, perfect. 179 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,300 Perfect. 180 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:09,300 Okay. 181 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:15,870 - Would you prefer, two cocks, or three cocks? 182 00:19:16,770 --> 00:19:17,910 - Five. 183 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:21,380 - Shit... 184 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:23,780 What about you? 185 00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:25,210 - No, I have-- 186 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:26,380 - what, guys? 187 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,580 What 188 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:31,620 - you prefer one cock, two cocks? 189 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:33,190 You like five? 190 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:35,860 - I have three holes, so three-- 191 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:36,890 - in one... 192 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:42,430 - My pussy, my ass and my mouth, so it's-- 193 00:19:42,430 --> 00:19:43,330 - it's perfect. 194 00:19:43,330 --> 00:19:44,330 - Perfect! 195 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:48,740 Hmm? - In my ass? 196 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:50,570 - Yeah, she's had like a lot of cocks in her ass. 197 00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:51,510 - Four. 198 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:53,510 - Four cocks at the same time. 199 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:54,640 - Four in your ass? 200 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,580 - Yes. 201 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:56,880 - Yeah. 202 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,450 It's enough, plus it's in your ass? 203 00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:01,980 - Really? - Show me your ass! 204 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:04,350 Show me your ass! 205 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,820 Because I have never have two in my ass. 206 00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:11,330 - But it's three cock. 207 00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:14,560 It's not, it's-- - okay. 208 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,530 - It's not... 209 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,440 - Five cocks, six cocks? 210 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,900 I wonder what the next challenge will be. 211 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:25,540 A hemorrhage? 212 00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:26,740 Death, maybe? 213 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,250 The worst part is that the actresses' names 214 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:34,280 hardly ever appear on these sites. 215 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:37,950 They are reduced to a series of categories. 216 00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:40,320 They're like a Cannon fodder. 217 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,690 One gaping hole amongst many. 218 00:20:45,690 --> 00:20:47,830 How can you empathize with these girls, 219 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:50,660 if after all, they don't really exist? 220 00:21:12,990 --> 00:21:16,920 I haven't been in the Berlin fair for 15 years. 221 00:21:16,930 --> 00:21:20,390 Here too, things have really changed. 222 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,330 It used to be the biggest event of its kind in Europe. 223 00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:27,570 Back then, adult film stars were worshiped, 224 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:31,610 and producers would sign contracts non-stop. 225 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:35,810 But today, at each stand, the gloom is palpable. 226 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:55,610 - So how did it come to this? 227 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,810 And if everything is available for free, 228 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:01,950 who is making any money? 229 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:25,960 - We launched youporn 26th of August, 2006. 230 00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:31,700 So we took it from very, very small traffic to 231 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:36,900 the 26th busiest website in the world. 232 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:41,370 - Did you imagine that it was going to become so, 233 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:42,440 so huge? 234 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,340 - Yes. 235 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:49,220 We had round about 370 million visitors a month, 236 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:51,690 used to come into youporn. 237 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,820 - How did you get this idea of youporn? 238 00:27:57,830 --> 00:28:00,090 - Right, the very first, 239 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:04,330 the first few weeks, it was a joke and then 240 00:28:04,330 --> 00:28:07,970 we kind of realized what we had on our hands. 241 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:09,900 At that point, we realized the damage 242 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:12,440 it was gonna inflict on the industry. 243 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,340 So we made a decision 244 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,180 to help content partners. 245 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:20,880 Now, we were evil. 246 00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:24,420 We were reaching out to content partners, saying, 247 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:26,820 "hey, we're from youporn, 248 00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:29,960 "we want you to license us your content. 249 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,130 "We want to help you, we want to send our members, 250 00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:35,460 "our users, to your websites, 251 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:38,830 "for you to convert them into memberships." 252 00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:41,070 And the general consensus from 253 00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:44,040 the whole of the industry was, "you've got to be kidding. 254 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,810 "Why would someone that is viewing content for free 255 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,280 "want to pay a membership?" 256 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,020 But tube sites have been there for eight years. 257 00:28:56,020 --> 00:29:00,820 So, if you're an old school content producer, 258 00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:05,360 you would have already adapted to using the tube sites. 259 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,490 Those that refuse to adapt, 260 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,960 they're simply no longer in business. 261 00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:21,340 - J-t's right. 262 00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:24,280 All the people I knew have disappeared. 263 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,250 If it was only j-t that had come along, 264 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:30,150 then perhaps they might have survived. 265 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:32,250 But the worst was yet to come. 266 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:18,100 With manwin, Fabian thylmann built the first multinational 267 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,530 empire of sex. 268 00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:23,270 The majority of the world's porn videos are now hosted 269 00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:25,270 on websites that he owns. 270 00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:35,920 The only people interested in this unknown man 271 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,250 are German journalists. 272 00:30:39,890 --> 00:30:42,020 They were the first to reveal the obscure nature 273 00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:43,190 of the company. 274 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:47,330 Who is thylmann? 275 00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:49,130 What kind of guy is he? 276 00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:53,930 - He is certainly what you would call a geek. 277 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:57,040 More of the technician kind of guy. 278 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,940 Sort of the person that has never been at a porn shoot, 279 00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:05,280 and in a way, he was probably at that moment 280 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,510 the right person for the distribution of porn 281 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,380 in the 21st century. 282 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,190 - Can you show me how, 283 00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:19,030 when it all started? 284 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,260 - Yeah, well I mean, this is how it all started for us. 285 00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:27,000 So that's the front page of the paper 286 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,300 that was published in September 2012, 287 00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:32,070 and it's basically 288 00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:36,410 the result of a long time of work 289 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:39,350 because we started in January with our investigation. 290 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:43,680 So it took us nine months in a way to get this thing done. 291 00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:47,020 All description, how it worked, 292 00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:49,290 when he bought what, everything. 293 00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:53,090 You've got also some documents that we could show 294 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:57,300 that led us to quite a lot of questions. 295 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,230 - Fabian, tell us about yourself, 296 00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:02,300 where you're from, how did you get on the Internet and, 297 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:03,270 we want to know it all. 298 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:04,570 - So, Fabian. 299 00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:09,310 I started online in '99, roughly, as a programmer. 300 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:10,240 And I, 301 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:14,480 I was very interested in high speed, high traffic websites, 302 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,220 so complicated programming. 303 00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:18,220 So it's the stuff you would find 304 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:21,960 at that time was porn, with a lot of traffic. 305 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,360 So I started buying a couple of companies in Europe first. 306 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,130 But the biggest coup really i did was 307 00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:30,060 buying a company in Canada, 308 00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:31,730 which was back then already one of the big players 309 00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,430 in the market. 310 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,540 - Can we name, is compliancy, 311 00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:37,400 can we name of one of those sites? 312 00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:39,410 - This biggest one is pornhub.Com. 313 00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:40,670 - Pornhub, okay. - Yes. 314 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,210 The second one which is bigger but more known-- 315 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:43,440 - how many users does pornhub-- 316 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:45,180 - 16 million a day. 317 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:47,110 - 16 million daily active users? 318 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,250 - Yes, active users, yes. 319 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:49,580 About-- - very active. 320 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:51,350 - Yes, very active. 321 00:32:52,450 --> 00:32:53,750 - Anyway, that's why we invited Fabian, 322 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,990 so it's not only about the materials. 323 00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:58,090 - How old is he? 324 00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:00,290 - 36, 37 I think. 325 00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:03,100 - So he was quite young when he 326 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,530 became the king of porn. 327 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:08,130 - Well, I mean, that's sort of how our story started. 328 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,040 Because we saw this, 329 00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:16,680 this video from this big porn conference in las Vegas. 330 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,350 And it's a four part video, it's on YouTube, 331 00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:23,220 and there is suddenly coming this young German guy 332 00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:27,450 on the center stage, sitting down in his sweater and 333 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:29,720 he was looking like a sort of 334 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,360 cheap version of mark zuckerburg or something, yeah? 335 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,730 And he sits down there 336 00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:37,100 in front of the American porn industry 337 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:41,130 and he tells them his vision and how he's doing things. 338 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:43,670 And it's like a nobody appearing, yeah? 339 00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:46,310 And for us, it was like, "wait a minute, who is this? 340 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:49,810 "And why the hell are all the others listening to him? 341 00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:52,680 "What does he have to say?" 342 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,580 - We had roughly 65 million people on our websites each day. 343 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:59,120 Different ones. 344 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,290 About 450 million people a month, different ones. 345 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:04,220 - 450 million a month? 346 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:06,660 I'm not sure if I'm mixing up numbers as usual, 347 00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:09,700 but that sounds like half the size of Facebook 348 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:12,370 some time ago, right? 349 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:16,740 - So, turnover a month was roughly $40 million, us. 350 00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:19,810 - A month? - A month. 351 00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:21,740 Yeah, I always think in months, I don't know why, 352 00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:25,210 everybody else does it in years, I don't know. 353 00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:26,110 And... 354 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:29,150 - You grew so fast. - Yes, that's probably, 355 00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,220 it just kept changing so-- 356 00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:34,420 - well, the first thing that a reporter does is 357 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:35,620 go into the archives, 358 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:38,120 looking whatever has been published before. 359 00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:39,830 So we had a list with webpages, 360 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:42,600 we had a list with company names, 361 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,130 and then we started to pull for every company 362 00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:47,830 the record from the trade register. 363 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,610 In the end, we had a network of about 35 or more companies 364 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:55,410 that belonged to this empire of manwin 365 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,580 that Mr. thylmann was running. 366 00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:20,170 We started to ask ourselves, 367 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:23,800 why do you need companies in Cyprus, for example? 368 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:25,510 Then the headquarter, 369 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:27,470 the headquarter was in Luxembourg. 370 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,380 So we asked ourselves, why is the headquarter in Luxembourg? 371 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:34,780 And we went to Luxembourg and when we arrived there, 372 00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:39,290 I have actually photos that i can show if you like. 373 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:41,890 Then, it's a building out of concrete and glass. 374 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:45,260 We could look basically through the door in the office, 375 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:46,890 and the office was entirely empty. 376 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:50,500 There were a few pieces of furniture standing around-- 377 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,330 - so this is the headquarter 378 00:35:52,330 --> 00:35:53,870 of the biggest porn company in the world? 379 00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:56,700 - This was, in 2012, the headquarter of 380 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,440 the biggest porn company in the world. 381 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,480 But the point is, in that building, we asked the neighbors 382 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,180 and on the lower floor, there is a Chinese bank. 383 00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:07,510 And we asked the lady there and we said, 384 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,250 "what is going on the fourth floor, where's manwin?" 385 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:11,850 And she said in this funny Chinese voice, 386 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,190 "oh, there's nobody there. 387 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:15,960 "Oh, there's nobody there." 388 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,320 And it was weird, yeah? 389 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:20,230 And those were all things where we said, 390 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:22,530 "okay, it doesn't make sense, 391 00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:23,860 "it doesn't prove anything, 392 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:27,470 "it doesn't show, okay, this must be tax evasion." 393 00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:31,670 For us, in the end, obviously as a German newspaper, 394 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:34,240 we follow the German angle. 395 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:38,380 There was one company in Hamburg, 396 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:42,720 the manwin Germany company, that was very interesting to us. 397 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,520 Because they run this website, my dirty hobby. 398 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,420 The company said actually on their webpage here, 399 00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:53,630 "we are run from Cyprus." 400 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,960 And even though we knew that the performers were 401 00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:00,630 living in Germany and were shooting their movies in Germany, 402 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,600 the tax that was deducted was the cypiotic vat. 403 00:37:04,610 --> 00:37:07,570 It's really hard to judge if everything is going 404 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:09,580 in a legal way there from the outside, 405 00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:13,010 but at that point, we had a lot of reasonable doubt. 406 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,720 - I've heard of my dirty hobby. 407 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:24,560 It's one of Germany's largest amateur porn sites. 408 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,790 But what I didn't know is that it was one of 409 00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:29,600 Fabian thylmann's first businesses, 410 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,930 and a cornerstone of his manwin empire. 411 00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:26,710 - Let's see. 412 00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:29,080 There, it's you. 413 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,950 Naughty over forty. 414 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:35,920 - I'm a German milf. 415 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,060 - Do you have an idea of how many fans you have? 416 00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:41,630 - For my dirty hobby, over 15,000 fans. 417 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,700 It's a very great fan base on my dirty hobby. 418 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,430 - How many videos have you done? 419 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,670 - 500. 420 00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:51,100 - 500? - Yes. 421 00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:54,040 - When you do a video, you have to upload it yourself? 422 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,740 - Mmhmm. 423 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:58,610 - When we start with the film, i give it to my dirty hobby. 424 00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:00,910 - Okay. - I can give the go, 425 00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:03,780 and then it's go online. 426 00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:05,080 - But they control it. 427 00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:07,490 - They control it, yes, really. 428 00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:11,790 But the marketing for these clips, it's our. 429 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:15,130 - Is it inconvenient to ask you how many percent 430 00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:16,930 they take from your, 431 00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:19,900 from your income? 432 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:22,470 - 78-- - 78%. 433 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:25,000 - 78? 434 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:26,510 - And-- - we get 435 00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,140 22%. 436 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:31,210 - 22%. 437 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:36,950 And then we must pay tax and other things from this 22%. 438 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:38,220 It's not much. 439 00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,560 In my next life, I'm owner of a good website. 440 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,130 Yeah. 441 00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:16,090 - Fabian thylmann may have had his first successes 442 00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:21,060 in Germany, but he made his fortune in the American market. 443 00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:24,060 And it's also there that he extended his monopoly 444 00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:26,270 over the entire industry. 445 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:35,710 - I was under contract with a studio called 446 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:38,210 digital playground from 447 00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:39,510 late 2007 to 448 00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:43,150 the middle of 2013. 449 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:46,690 And then digital playground was purchased 450 00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:50,020 by a larger company called manwin, 451 00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:52,590 and they have a monopoly on 452 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:56,230 the production studios in America. 453 00:41:56,230 --> 00:42:00,170 One of the first things that i noticed with the new owners 454 00:42:00,170 --> 00:42:05,000 was this complete lack of respect for the crew. 455 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:09,140 And they put in extremely long hours sometimes, 456 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:12,280 like especially in a large feature, 20 hour days. 457 00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:17,250 I was there at 6:00 am, shoot all day, 458 00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:21,550 leave set at two o'clock in the morning, 459 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,190 go home, sleep for a couple hours, come back the next day. 460 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:28,190 It was a capitalism machine to 461 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,960 the detriment of any other concerns. 462 00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,770 You don't take care of your people. 463 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:37,100 Which then, sure enough, they've repeated 464 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:40,340 massive firings of the workers, 465 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:42,070 and that's just it. 466 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,040 Capitalism. 467 00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:44,980 Yay. 468 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:48,010 - Have you ever met the board, 469 00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:51,120 someone like Fabian thylmann? 470 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120 Have you ever met him? 471 00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:55,690 - I met him. 472 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,960 I don't necessarily believe 473 00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:03,360 that he ever owned the company, really. 474 00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,030 They're just fishy, all right? 475 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200 They're just a fishy, weird company. 476 00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:17,310 My fleshlight royalties, when the wire transfers come in, 477 00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:20,710 go through banks in places like South Africa, 478 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,080 they have offices in Ireland. 479 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,320 It's a bunch of, 480 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,050 it's a bunch of men with Greek last names 481 00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:31,660 and thick Greek accents claiming to be quebecois. 482 00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:34,630 I just don't believe anything they say, 483 00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:37,800 having worked for them, because nothing makes sense. 484 00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:51,940 - I was investigating a load of online black markets, 485 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:55,310 digital activism, anonymous, that kind of culture, 486 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,850 that was mostly what I was writing about. 487 00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:59,720 And there were rumors, and actually, 488 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,190 one company did, for all intents and purposes, 489 00:44:02,190 --> 00:44:05,290 own a complete monopoly on porn distribution online 490 00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:06,930 and no one really know about it. 491 00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:08,990 They have hundreds of tube sites. 492 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,060 But pornhub was always their main one. 493 00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:13,670 I think it's the one they focused primarily on 494 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:16,100 attracting to a female audience more, 495 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,940 so they took a lot more of the aggressive, extreme, 496 00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:21,410 horrifying fetishes out of it 497 00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:23,040 and left in all the other ones. 498 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,110 But also using pornhub as an advertising campaign online, 499 00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:31,280 billboards, Times Square, everywhere, just kind of 500 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:33,190 recognizing that it's already popular, 501 00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:35,720 but for anyone out there who may not use pornhub 502 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,860 or know of pornhub as their main go-to, 503 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,130 just show that it's a legitimate business, 504 00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:42,190 because of course, if you can advertise in public, 505 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,800 you must be legitimate. 506 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,130 The natural conclusion, why would anyone think that 507 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:50,700 an evil company could put a billboard anywhere in New York? 508 00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:55,310 All you need is hand 509 00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:56,940 ba ba da da da 510 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,140 all you need is hand 511 00:44:59,150 --> 00:45:00,910 ba ba da da da 512 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320 all you need is hand, hand 513 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,950 hand is all you need 514 00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:08,250 - one more time and go! 515 00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:10,720 All you need is hand 516 00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:12,220 ba ba da da da 517 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:14,490 all you need is hand 518 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,130 ba ba da da da 519 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:20,130 all you need is hand, hand 520 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:23,500 hand is all you need 521 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:31,880 - the bigger they become, 522 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,750 the more they can get away with. 523 00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:38,820 This is how our suffering became part of pop culture, 524 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:43,090 with a little bit of cynicism, and a lot of lube. 525 00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:48,190 Worst of all, everyone is lapping it up, or seems to be. 526 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960 It seems that asking too many questions 527 00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:52,830 would kill the excitement of it all. 528 00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:56,840 - Why would anyone pay 529 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,100 if you gave them something for free? 530 00:45:59,110 --> 00:46:02,270 Why would people choose to do the moral thing? 531 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,180 I don't think people in their nature 532 00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:07,010 are altruistic all the time, 533 00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:08,410 especially when it's something that has 534 00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:11,050 the connotation of shame and secrecy. 535 00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:13,790 And we're not really comfortable with our erotica 536 00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:16,190 and our pornography in general. 537 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,390 It's easy, it's available. 538 00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:30,800 - A lot of people don't even realize 539 00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:33,040 the videos that they're watching on those sites 540 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,470 are probably not there with the permission of 541 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,010 the studio that produced it, or the performers or anything. 542 00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:41,210 People just kind of disregard it, like, 543 00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:44,450 "who cares if they're getting ripped off?" 544 00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:47,350 People just don't have much sympathy for 545 00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:49,860 porn performers or studios. 546 00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:54,490 You know, in the 80s, you had the meese commission 547 00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,300 and you had anti-porn people, like Andrea dworkin, 548 00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:02,840 who were determined to put an end to all pornography. 549 00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:09,040 And those people sought to really destroy 550 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,180 the adult entertainment industry. 551 00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:14,350 And they were unsuccessful in doing that. 552 00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:17,150 But then you have a company that comes along, 553 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:21,020 owning these tube sites, who's done more damage 554 00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:24,190 to the adult industry than any politician 555 00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:27,860 or anti-porn person could have ever dreamed of doing. 556 00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:31,230 And instead of circling the wagons and putting up 557 00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:35,600 a unified front against them, we've invited them in. 558 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,610 So, just so many people, in my opinion, have just sold out. 559 00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:42,210 They said, "well, I'll just take the money." 560 00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:46,250 And ethics, money talks and ethics walks. 561 00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:50,550 And it's very disheartening to some extent. 562 00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:03,220 - Since the beginning of the crisis, 563 00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:06,450 the porn industry has been facing a sharp increase 564 00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:09,550 in sexually transmitted diseases. 565 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120 Because they fear losing out on work, 566 00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:16,360 some actors falsify their medical tests. 567 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,700 In 2012, a syphilis epidemic affected the whole industry. 568 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:25,700 Ironically, during that same year, 569 00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:30,040 manwin financed a large campaign against measure b, 570 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,340 a law that would make the use of condoms 571 00:50:32,350 --> 00:50:34,710 during filming obligatory. 572 00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:37,250 - Hi, I'm Tara Patrick. 573 00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:39,180 - And I'm Ron Jeremy. 574 00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:42,090 - A mandatory condom law will not 575 00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:44,460 make our work place any safer. 576 00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:48,660 But it will drive our $20 billion dollar industry 577 00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:51,630 and 10,000 jobs out of la county. 578 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:55,730 - Vote no on measure b. 579 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:58,640 And keep the adult business in California. 580 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:15,180 - Sorry, you need some drink, 581 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:17,820 otherwise this will never work. 582 00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:24,320 Ladies and gentlemen, I am very honored to be here tonight. 583 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,760 Obviously, we have to find a way to stop 584 00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:33,670 harmful acts against people in the industry, 585 00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:36,270 which goes for both women and men. 586 00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:39,640 For me, this was very important in many, many ways, 587 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,380 because I knew the way I ran the business. 588 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,550 I, in my opinion at least, 589 00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:49,450 protected everyone as much as i could. 590 00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:50,650 So I do prefer 591 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,790 people coming to my websites than going to others, 592 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:55,690 which are much more, 593 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,430 more underground so to speak, and do not control so much. 594 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:03,500 Thank you. 595 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,210 - Success proved to be fleeting. 596 00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:23,250 Game over for the king of porn. 597 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,610 At least with Fabian thylmann, we had a name and a face. 598 00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:57,950 But since manwin became mindgeek, 599 00:53:57,950 --> 00:54:00,790 the picture is far less clear. 600 00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:12,260 But who's behind this company? 601 00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:13,000 - It's not clear. 602 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,330 I mean we know at the beginning, 603 00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:17,700 the original company was called mansef, 604 00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:22,340 and that was Stefan manos and yuissem youssef, 605 00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:24,380 which was the man and the sef. 606 00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:28,680 And those were allegedly the original founders. 607 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,050 And then, after a while, they changed their name to manwin. 608 00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:36,960 And at that point, they would not say whether or not 609 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,330 the original owners were still involved or not. 610 00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:42,330 They said, "well it's under new ownership", 611 00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:43,430 but they wouldn't say who it was. 612 00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:46,460 And that's when Fabian thylmann became 613 00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:47,930 the face of the company. 614 00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:49,400 And even then, people were like, 615 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,570 "is he really the owner of the company 616 00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:54,010 "or is he just kind of the front man for it?" 617 00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:56,070 It was still very unclear. 618 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,640 And then a few years ago, they rebranded their name again 619 00:54:59,650 --> 00:55:02,780 to mindgeek, and they still won't say whether or not 620 00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:04,880 the original owners are involved. 621 00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:07,490 With other adult studios, you pretty much know 622 00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:09,350 who owns the company. 623 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,460 But with these guys, nobody really knows 624 00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:14,790 who's behind everything. 625 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,500 It's very kind of mysterious. 626 00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:24,000 - On the paper, Mr. thylmann was the owner and ceo, 627 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,700 he was running the show. 628 00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:29,640 Now, obviously, there are other dependencies. 629 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,480 There are people that gave him the money, 630 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,750 people that we don't know. 631 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,420 Then also what is weird is Mr. thylmann 632 00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:39,820 was sitting in Brussels, 633 00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:43,020 but the main headquarters with the most employees 634 00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:46,620 and still the same thing today, 635 00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:50,460 mindgeek is actually residing in Montreal in Canada. 636 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:53,800 Now from Brussels to Canada is quite a distance, yeah? 637 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,000 So and, I'm very certain that other managers in Canada, 638 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,410 the same that bought manwin and renamed it mindgeek 639 00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:04,810 that they were very influential also in the days back then. 640 00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:08,610 To me, it's like, of course, the Canadians 641 00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:11,120 manage the show in that moment, you know? 642 00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:20,490 During the course of our investigation, 643 00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:24,830 we pulled up some trade register records in Cyprus. 644 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,030 And there was a remark on a charge. 645 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,740 And that was giving the number of 646 00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:35,640 $362 million us dollars, 647 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,940 I think was the number that they gave there, 648 00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:43,050 so I assume that this was sort of the amount that he got 649 00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:46,050 to buy companies, other companies. 650 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:49,990 - And where does this money come from? 651 00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:50,990 - Well, it's tough to say. 652 00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:52,590 We tried to follow the money. 653 00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:54,430 In the end we found 654 00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:58,630 two guys that were former Goldman sachs bankers 655 00:56:58,630 --> 00:57:00,900 in New York, wall street, 656 00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,800 who are now working on their own ticket. 657 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,770 And, 658 00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:07,710 they were deeply involved with the, 659 00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:09,940 the moving of the money to Mr. thylmann. 660 00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:13,710 But, obviously, at some point, people are not telling you 661 00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,050 where the money is coming from anymore. 662 00:57:26,790 --> 00:57:29,930 - Two journalists, two German journalists from die welt, 663 00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:33,830 they say that some of the money from the loan 664 00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:36,870 came from wall street, which is right here. 665 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:37,970 - Yes. 666 00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:40,540 - And from a hedge fund, but, i mean, 667 00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:43,910 no hedge fund never, ever invests money in porn. 668 00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:45,910 - Oh yeah, you would never, i mean, 669 00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:48,910 for the longest time, the only people who would finance porn 670 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,820 back in the early days was like, the mob. 671 00:57:51,820 --> 00:57:55,590 You weren't getting a loan from the bank to shoot 672 00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:58,920 the next deep throat, that wasn't gonna happen. 673 00:57:58,930 --> 00:58:02,260 So, it's still that way to some extent. 674 00:58:02,260 --> 00:58:06,100 You see, to this day, performers get their bank accounts 675 00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:07,930 shut off from different banks, 676 00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:10,200 so there's still that kind of stigma. 677 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,970 So I can't imagine, 678 00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:15,110 Goldman sachs saying, 679 00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:17,880 "here, take a bunch of money to shoot porn." 680 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,240 So I mean, it's, 681 00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:23,620 it's mind-boggling, it's just crazy, 682 00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:27,020 would they really get money from a hedge fund for that, 683 00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:28,990 or was there something else involved? 684 00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:29,920 It's just, 685 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,060 it's hard to wrap your mind around. 686 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,810 - Advertising campaigns, wall street money, 687 00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:51,240 swanky offices in Canada, 688 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:56,010 you could almost forget that their business is pornography. 689 00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:58,880 But if mindgeek seems so respectable, 690 00:58:58,890 --> 00:59:02,720 why then do so many people in the business fear it so much? 691 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,190 - My experience was mostly a wall of silence. 692 00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:08,060 I probably could have spent weeks 693 00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:11,160 calling hundreds of more producers and performers and 694 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,200 there were people who just didn't even know 695 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,800 what mindgeek or manwin was, 696 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,670 and the ones who'd been around for a while 697 00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:19,840 were much more hesitant to talk openly. 698 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,040 And as more publications came out, 699 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,080 you began to realize that many actors and producers 700 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,050 that went out publicly to talk against mindgeek 701 00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:31,250 said that they were blacklisted as a result, 702 00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:33,820 that they were blacklisted in the industry, 703 00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:36,820 couldn't perform, couldn't get any deals. 704 00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:38,990 There was intimidation. 705 00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:42,060 You can look on several publications online where 706 00:59:42,060 --> 00:59:45,360 porn stars have talked openly about being threatened 707 00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:47,800 through legal documents or warnings, 708 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,930 and many who have been outright blacklisted, 709 00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:52,740 who don't work anymore and who had to create their own 710 00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:55,940 independent brand, and very small boutique site, 711 00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:57,910 that they hoped people would come to. 712 00:59:57,910 --> 01:00:02,280 But as we know, 95 plus percent of porn viewers online 713 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,820 go to tube sites. 714 01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:05,350 So the majority of the porn audience, 715 01:00:05,350 --> 01:00:07,020 if you want to get their attention, 716 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:10,320 you have to work with mindgeek to some degree. 717 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,960 So, it had this kind of 718 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,290 cartel, mafia feel to it more than a business model. 719 01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:20,700 - The more I dig, 720 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:24,670 the more complicated it all seems to become. 721 01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:29,040 The American authorities seem strangely uninterested. 722 01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:34,680 The only investigation dates back to 2009 in Atlanta. 723 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,750 Maybe there, I will find some answers. 724 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,090 - Yeah, I was afraid he was gonna run into that because, 725 01:01:56,100 --> 01:02:00,130 yeah, everybody will tell you about mindgeek 726 01:02:00,130 --> 01:02:03,330 until you ask them on the record. 727 01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:05,440 You know, when they actually have to say it 728 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,840 in front of a camera, 729 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,910 or say it with a tape recorder rolling, 730 01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:11,480 then they don't want to say anything because, yeah, 731 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,450 they depend on mindgeek for work. 732 01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:18,820 - Mike knows the dirty secrets 733 01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:21,790 of the American porn industry. 734 01:02:21,790 --> 01:02:24,320 He was one of the first to be questioned 735 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,330 by the secret services after the accounts 736 01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:29,760 in Atlanta were seized. 737 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,130 - I got a tip from someone inside manwin who said, 738 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,340 "look at fortress investment group." 739 01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:43,340 It turned out that fortress investment group 740 01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:46,780 bought a small piece of a larger loan 741 01:02:47,980 --> 01:02:51,120 that was made by cold back capital. 742 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,420 So cold back capital loaned to manwin $350 million dollars. 743 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,360 And manwin used that money 744 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:03,030 to buy the digital playground, 745 01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:05,960 they used that money to buy babes.Com, 746 01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:08,570 they used that money to buy redtube. 747 01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:12,100 So you look at all these purchases they made, 748 01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:14,110 and most of them are failing. 749 01:03:14,110 --> 01:03:18,140 I cannot think of one legal business 750 01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:21,880 that is making money, that mindgeek owns. 751 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,480 The important thing to remember here 752 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,080 is what mindgeek is selling. 753 01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:31,820 They're selling traffic, okay? 754 01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:33,890 And they are selling it 755 01:03:35,330 --> 01:03:38,000 to other mindgeek companies. 756 01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:42,230 And they sell it to other mindgeek companies, 757 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,140 and they sell it to other mindgeek companies. 758 01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:47,140 And what is traffic? 759 01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:48,240 It's nothing. 760 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,610 There's no inventory of traffic. 761 01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:54,410 I can't call up a parts supplier and say, 762 01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:55,880 "hey, I need more traffic, 763 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,850 "so you have to send me a million widgets." 764 01:03:59,850 --> 01:04:03,390 They can create traffic anytime, for free. 765 01:04:05,020 --> 01:04:09,090 There is no inventory, so it's very difficult to track. 766 01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:13,430 It appears that their primary industry is not pornography, 767 01:04:14,970 --> 01:04:16,930 but moving money 768 01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:21,440 from country to country to country to country. 769 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,140 What we call in America money laundering. 770 01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:28,380 Can I prove that? 771 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:29,510 No. 772 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,280 That is my opinion. 773 01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:34,290 But it is well-founded. 774 01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:39,160 - In the end, the judicial inquiries 775 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,290 remain in limbo, and some have been settled out of court. 776 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,900 Even in Atlanta, despite the allegations 777 01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:49,430 of money laundering, the only penalty was a fine. 778 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,900 The empire appears to be untouchable. 779 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:56,210 Has he ever tried to contact you? 780 01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:58,680 - They have contacted me many times. 781 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,450 Even Fabian thylmann contacted me, 782 01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:06,980 and he was going to buy advertising on mikesouth.Com. 783 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,260 And he offered me a lot of money. 784 01:05:11,260 --> 01:05:12,660 But I understood 785 01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:18,130 it was not really advertising he was trying to buy, 786 01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:20,430 it was my silence. 787 01:05:20,430 --> 01:05:24,700 In the last three years, i have had my life threatened 788 01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:26,700 five, maybe six times. 789 01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:29,070 - And do you know who it is? 790 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:29,940 - No. 791 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:31,110 - No? - No. 792 01:05:31,110 --> 01:05:32,980 - It's anonymous. - They are anonymous. 793 01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:35,050 - Okay. - And, you know, 794 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:38,380 if they call me on the telephone and say, 795 01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:40,180 "I'm going to kill you", 796 01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:42,120 or if they send me an email and say, 797 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,220 "I'm going to kill you", 798 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,190 that doesn't concern me very much. 799 01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:52,500 But the last time, they left a box on my front door. 800 01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:58,100 It had a toy fire truck and a fire extinguisher 801 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,410 and a book of matches and a card that said, 802 01:06:02,410 --> 01:06:05,380 "I'm sorry your house burned down." 803 01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:07,710 To me, that is a direct threat. 804 01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:10,980 And so I carry a gun wherever i go. 805 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,390 Honestly, I would hope that i never have 806 01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:18,620 to draw my gun on someone. 807 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,230 I hope that never happens. 808 01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:25,400 But if it does happen, I will do it. 809 01:06:40,550 --> 01:06:42,680 - Throughout my investigation, 810 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,520 I heard some wild rumors. 811 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,250 Mafias across the world seemed to be implicated, 812 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:53,060 in south America, the middle east, eastern Europe, 813 01:06:53,060 --> 01:06:54,260 and even Asia. 814 01:06:55,660 --> 01:06:59,500 I'm not sure if we will ever get to the bottom of it all. 815 01:07:01,470 --> 01:07:04,600 Ultimately, today's porn industry is all about 816 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,540 big Internet companies that generate billions of hits 817 01:07:08,540 --> 01:07:11,340 that have no connection with the workforce 818 01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:14,310 at the end of the production line. 819 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,590 Tube sites are not the only websites 820 01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:28,560 that took advantage of the Internet. 821 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,460 Another lucrative venture is the live cam, 822 01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:33,760 a kind of peep show 2.0. 823 01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:36,830 It's one of the premium offers to which the video sites 824 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,370 try to redirect consumers. 825 01:07:39,370 --> 01:07:40,340 - Hello. 826 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,740 - Welcome in my room. 827 01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:46,680 - The girls perform for consumers for a price, 828 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,850 and the it platforms connect the two. 829 01:07:49,850 --> 01:07:54,350 Even porn has not escaped the uber-ization of work. 830 01:08:19,580 --> 01:08:22,450 The market leader is live Jasmin, 831 01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:24,880 also one of mindgeek's main customers 832 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,650 in terms of advertising space. 833 01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:33,360 But live Jasmin is more transparent than mindgeek, 834 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,660 and they agreed to open their doors to me. 835 01:08:37,660 --> 01:08:41,170 - This is the product development department. 836 01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:44,640 These are the guys who are actually working on 837 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,270 the development of live Jasmin 838 01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:48,440 and our live streaming products. 839 01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:51,510 So this is the finance department here. 840 01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:55,210 Here we have the legal department, hr, 841 01:08:55,210 --> 01:08:57,820 office management, vr department. 842 01:08:57,820 --> 01:09:00,850 - How many employees are working here in Luxembourg? 843 01:09:00,850 --> 01:09:02,790 - Around 200. 844 01:09:02,790 --> 01:09:04,790 200, and most of them, 845 01:09:06,290 --> 01:09:08,560 more than half of them are developers. 846 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,930 For example, here are the guys who are developing 847 01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:14,170 the platform for the models. 848 01:09:14,170 --> 01:09:16,700 - It's funny because it doesn't look like 849 01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,600 an adult company at all. 850 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,770 - No, it's not. 851 01:09:19,770 --> 01:09:21,570 It could be a bank because we have all the, 852 01:09:21,570 --> 01:09:25,240 all the roles and all the activities and 853 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,750 staff that's needed for a bank. 854 01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:29,950 It's a well-structured big company 855 01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:33,380 that stands behind this business. 856 01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:37,720 So this why we don't consider ourselves as adult company 857 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,390 because we are it company. 858 01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:41,860 We are company which is responsible 859 01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:43,460 for development of the platform. 860 01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:44,960 We give the platform 861 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,360 and we give them to the members and models, 862 01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:48,900 and they can meet on the platform. 863 01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:51,370 - In fact, you never meet the girls? 864 01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:52,570 It's very-- - not really, no. 865 01:09:52,570 --> 01:09:55,440 Physically we don't meet the girls because 866 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,410 they are the other side of the world, 867 01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:59,340 and we just give them a platform. 868 01:09:59,350 --> 01:10:03,510 - How many cam girls are working for live Jasmin? 869 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,220 - Well, that's, that's a tricky question because 870 01:10:07,220 --> 01:10:10,790 they are, lots of models come and leave. 871 01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:14,890 I mean, we have registered around two million models 872 01:10:14,890 --> 01:10:17,760 who are registered for the website. 873 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,000 But I mean, I would say, actively, 874 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,230 there are around 50,000 who are active currently 875 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,770 on the website, that they have account 876 01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:26,700 and they come online. 877 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,380 - Far from Luxembourg and its business districts, 878 01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:44,360 thousands of workers struggle to make a living. 879 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,860 Here in timisoara, 880 01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:49,960 I get the feeling that a new form of exploitation 881 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,800 of sex workers has developed. 882 01:11:23,330 --> 01:11:25,530 - I'm 25. 883 01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:27,900 I was working as a waitress 884 01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:30,430 in restaurants. 885 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:34,070 It was pretty hard and 886 01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:40,040 I wasn't earning as much money as I wished to, 887 01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:41,510 because I have plans. 888 01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:43,910 I want to finish university. 889 01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:46,580 And my mother, 890 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:50,950 it's gone in another country for work. 891 01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:54,020 So I'm staying alone and, 892 01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:57,860 and I have to pay for all. 893 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,800 So... 894 01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:22,350 - Romanians, we produce 50% of all incomes in the world. 895 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,090 Half from this industry is produced by Romanians. 896 01:12:28,090 --> 01:12:31,700 From my opinion, I think that there are active models, 897 01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:33,030 at least 10,000, 898 01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:35,570 in Romania. 899 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:55,150 - I'm from arad. 900 01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:57,820 It's near from timisoara. 901 01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:59,960 I have four sisters more 902 01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:03,590 and one little brother. 903 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,930 My mother is cooking in a big restaurant, 904 01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:09,600 and my father, I don't know. 905 01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:13,670 I saw him only one time in my life. 906 01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:18,810 I think I will do this job 907 01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:22,010 until I reach my goal. 908 01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:27,420 And I open a little business for me. 909 01:13:28,650 --> 01:13:31,460 And, 'til I have a family. 910 01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:34,460 Guys, if you want, there is more. 911 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,990 You want a bit more? 912 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,630 - From here, they are not so wealthy. 913 01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:47,470 They are coming from poor families. 914 01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:51,710 And they are struggling to build a future. 915 01:13:51,710 --> 01:13:53,610 - My life is like this. 916 01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:55,550 I work, I sleep. 917 01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:56,750 I work, I sleep. 918 01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:59,050 I don't do nothing. 919 01:13:59,050 --> 01:14:01,620 - How many hours per day do you work? 920 01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,120 - Eight, nine, 10. 921 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,090 - Any you told me that 922 01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:08,890 some girls are from Colombia? 923 01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:10,560 - Yeah. 924 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,630 Colombia is the next country competing with Romania with 925 01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,970 numbers of webcam orders. 926 01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:18,170 - Colombia. 927 01:14:18,170 --> 01:14:20,540 - Yeah. - Why Colombia? 928 01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:26,140 - Because I think they are poor also. 929 01:14:26,150 --> 01:14:27,980 - But, this is this life. 930 01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:31,150 We have to fight for have something. 931 01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:38,890 We can't have all the things without, make something. 932 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,240 - The platforms take on average of 60 to 70% share 933 01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,070 of what the customers pay. 934 01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:59,680 For a girl working in a studio, her fees are even halved. 935 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,950 But users always beg for free shows 936 01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:10,750 and the girls waste their time. 937 01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:15,060 Sometimes the camgirls go home at the end of the day 938 01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:17,900 having earned no money at all. 939 01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:32,780 - We figured out that every day, maybe 200 or 300 people 940 01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:35,910 at least visit their chatrooms. 941 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,950 Figure out, 942 01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:42,090 customers that are entering and said, "you are a bitch", 943 01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:44,660 or said bad things to them. 944 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,730 And also the hardest part outside here it's that 945 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:53,560 they renounce their social life. 946 01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:55,930 So for my opinion, 947 01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:58,570 it's a job that takes 948 01:15:58,570 --> 01:16:00,770 from one year to five year maximum. 949 01:16:00,770 --> 01:16:03,340 - How much do they earn per month? 950 01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:04,580 The average? 951 01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:06,010 - Average, around 952 01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:09,850 $1,400 us dollars. 953 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:11,750 The average. 954 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,360 - What's the turnover of live Jasmin? 955 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,760 - It's, I can tell approximate number, 956 01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:31,170 it's around $305 million a year. 957 01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:34,170 We have our incomes growing year by year. 958 01:16:34,170 --> 01:16:38,140 We can grow, we usually grow our incomes, 959 01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:41,850 it depends on the year but more than 10% every year. 960 01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:43,710 Sometimes even more. 961 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,680 - And why are you in Luxembourg? 962 01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,720 - Well, there were several reasons for Luxembourg that time. 963 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,920 The obvious reason would be to say that yeah, 964 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,820 it's for the tax reasons but 965 01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:54,220 we are always focusing on having 966 01:16:54,230 --> 01:16:56,090 the best people working with us. 967 01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:58,900 The best people, especially in technology. 968 01:16:58,900 --> 01:16:59,860 And, 969 01:17:01,170 --> 01:17:04,900 in terms of having an attractive environment for people, 970 01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:08,710 worldwide, I think Luxembourg is a good place. 971 01:17:08,710 --> 01:17:11,380 I think we are really happy to be here and 972 01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:13,310 we want to stay here. 973 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:41,370 - So, smitty, I want you to remove your clothes 974 01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:43,310 and down on your knees, 975 01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:46,880 that you are positioned in front of me. 976 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,880 Great, very good, my boy. 977 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,310 You like my boots? 978 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,250 Leather. 979 01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:57,290 Clean my dirty soles. 980 01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:01,060 Lick my heels. 981 01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:04,390 Very well. 982 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,900 Now, I want you to put the plastic bag in your hand, 983 01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:12,470 and then around your neck. 984 01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:14,740 Use that tape. 985 01:18:14,740 --> 01:18:16,840 You will have no air. 986 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:17,810 So do it. 987 01:18:19,210 --> 01:18:23,280 And how I promise you, i will show you my ass. 988 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,890 - In principle, it's a private exchange 989 01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:35,890 between consenting adults. 990 01:18:35,890 --> 01:18:39,930 But if problems arise, who is responsible? 991 01:18:39,930 --> 01:18:40,960 - You see? 992 01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,230 What do you think about her? 993 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,330 You like it? 994 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,810 She can do very dirty things in private like 995 01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:52,280 eating poo and drinking pee. 996 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,210 Most of the Chinese girl are submissive ones. 997 01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,350 It's asking just 50 credits for natural squirt, 998 01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,190 including blow job, that's almost nothing, 999 01:19:06,190 --> 01:19:07,960 less than one dollar. 1000 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,960 So it's, in my opinion, selling herself very, 1001 01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:14,300 very cheap. 1002 01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:18,300 - With the arrival of the sex multinationals, 1003 01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,840 what we knew as porn has given way to a sector subject 1004 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,480 to the same rules of an ultra-liberal world. 1005 01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:29,250 An unrestrained capitalism, a scorched-earth policy, 1006 01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:32,150 a complete disregard for workers. 1007 01:19:32,150 --> 01:19:33,920 When you think about it, 1008 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,390 mindgeek is a little like the monsanto of porn. 71329

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