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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,266 --> 00:00:08,007 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:25,721 [horn honks] 3 00:00:42,738 --> 00:00:44,261 - You know, how people taste, 4 00:00:44,305 --> 00:00:46,394 and what wines are next to each other can oftentimes change 5 00:00:46,437 --> 00:00:49,136 how the wine next to it is smelling and tasting. 6 00:00:49,179 --> 00:00:51,268 - It's not easy to blind taste. 7 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:56,578 - The fear of blind tasting is basically being wrong. 8 00:00:56,621 --> 00:00:58,623 - I'll tell you what, I mean I've been fooled. 9 00:00:58,667 --> 00:01:00,451 - I think the most random 10 00:01:00,495 --> 00:01:02,714 that we could try to make this, the better. 11 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:04,019 - If you enjoy wine, 12 00:01:04,063 --> 00:01:05,848 there's nothing to be gained by blind tasting 13 00:01:05,891 --> 00:01:09,591 because I think wine's all about its history and its place. 14 00:01:09,634 --> 00:01:14,117 - So wine one, is the glass closest to you on the left. 15 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:16,467 Two, three, four, five, six. 16 00:01:17,729 --> 00:01:19,340 - Well, we blind taste each other for games. 17 00:01:19,383 --> 00:01:20,863 - For bragging rights and all of that. 18 00:01:20,906 --> 00:01:23,648 - I got it right, I'm the greatest. [cheers] 19 00:01:23,692 --> 00:01:26,260 - In that style, I mean it's a parlor trick. 20 00:01:26,303 --> 00:01:29,914 - I love blind tasting and it's not a parlor trick. 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,049 - [Carole] It's useful in only rare circumstances. 22 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:34,877 If you're a scientist trying to study 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,098 the effect of some variable on wine, 24 00:01:38,140 --> 00:01:41,057 then certainly you wanna taste it blind. 25 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:44,756 - There's some wine critics who have to taste blind, 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,976 particularly if they're working for a publication, 27 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:48,108 take sponsorship. 28 00:01:48,151 --> 00:01:49,065 - You know, when I was buying wines, 29 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:50,675 we'd taste everything blind. 30 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:51,981 - When I was a sommelier, the way I bought wine 31 00:01:52,024 --> 00:01:56,464 was if I nailed the wine, nailed the price, 32 00:01:56,507 --> 00:01:58,901 I would then buy the wine. 33 00:01:58,944 --> 00:02:00,859 - You're not biased by the producer, 34 00:02:00,903 --> 00:02:02,948 by any score or what you've heard, 35 00:02:02,992 --> 00:02:06,430 or what you think that you should think about this wine. 36 00:02:06,474 --> 00:02:08,431 - You know, the naked wine. 37 00:02:08,476 --> 00:02:11,696 - [Carole] When you remove all people's preconceived notions 38 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:13,916 about the origin of a wine, 39 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:16,962 you get an assessment that's very, very different 40 00:02:17,006 --> 00:02:18,703 than the assessment that you get 41 00:02:18,747 --> 00:02:21,097 if people are looking at the bottle. 42 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:23,099 - [Madeline] But 40 years ago, 43 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,753 a blind tasting changed the world. 44 00:02:25,797 --> 00:02:28,800 [crickets chirping] 45 00:02:33,978 --> 00:02:36,939 [operatic music] 46 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:40,334 [metal clanking] 47 00:02:40,377 --> 00:02:43,119 - The wine industry has boomed 48 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,513 at an exponential rate in the last 40 years. 49 00:02:46,601 --> 00:02:52,607 - In the US, the wine industry is a $220 billion business. 50 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:00,005 - [Narrator] 85 years ago, 51 00:03:00,049 --> 00:03:05,054 wine was illegal to make and sell, right up until 1933. 52 00:03:05,097 --> 00:03:06,664 There was no industry. 53 00:03:09,058 --> 00:03:11,408 - For the first several thousand years 54 00:03:11,452 --> 00:03:15,325 of humans making wine, they simply collected grapes 55 00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:17,414 and crushed them and did very little else, 56 00:03:17,458 --> 00:03:21,113 and I think that it's only in the last century 57 00:03:21,157 --> 00:03:22,941 that people really started to learn 58 00:03:22,985 --> 00:03:25,814 how to manage the wine making itself. 59 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:29,121 - [Madeline] For wine to change it had to be challenged, 60 00:03:29,165 --> 00:03:30,819 and we've people to thank for that. 61 00:03:32,168 --> 00:03:34,997 On the one hand, you've got the seekers, the explorers, 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,218 who go out and find where there is great wine in the world 63 00:03:38,261 --> 00:03:40,437 that's never been found before, 64 00:03:40,481 --> 00:03:42,570 and they bring that wine to the critics, 65 00:03:42,613 --> 00:03:47,096 and the critics get together, they disagree or they agree, 66 00:03:47,139 --> 00:03:49,793 and they make a lot of noise, 67 00:03:49,838 --> 00:03:53,058 and then you've got the sommeliers and the resellers 68 00:03:53,102 --> 00:03:55,757 who deliver the actual bottle to you. 69 00:03:57,585 --> 00:04:01,197 So much of what we know about wine today 70 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:05,288 was built on the work of just a few people, 71 00:04:05,332 --> 00:04:08,683 and three of those people are getting together 72 00:04:08,726 --> 00:04:12,861 in Paris to taste the wines that changed them. 73 00:04:14,079 --> 00:04:15,864 - Arguably three of the most important people 74 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:18,257 who have ever been involved with the world of wine. 75 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:21,608 - [Madeline] They're all big voices, but they're also 76 00:04:21,652 --> 00:04:23,915 in a lot of times, they're conflicting voices. 77 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,397 - These guys made wine what it is today. 78 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:32,272 [operatic music] 79 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:53,771 - [Laura] She might be 80 00:04:55,251 --> 00:04:57,601 the most influential wine critic in the world. 81 00:05:01,257 --> 00:05:04,042 - To make it clear, I've never been in the wine business. 82 00:05:04,086 --> 00:05:08,046 I've never had any connection with the wine trade, 83 00:05:08,090 --> 00:05:10,788 never worked in the wine trade, 84 00:05:10,832 --> 00:05:12,747 and I've worked very, very hard 85 00:05:12,790 --> 00:05:15,053 to sort of keep my hands clean. 86 00:05:15,097 --> 00:05:17,012 - Jancis has had a huge influence on me. 87 00:05:17,055 --> 00:05:20,232 I mean, some of the books that she's written have been 88 00:05:20,276 --> 00:05:22,887 part of my library since almost day one. 89 00:05:22,931 --> 00:05:25,237 - She wrote The Oxford Companion to Wine, 90 00:05:25,281 --> 00:05:29,459 which is the most comprehensive wine encyclopedia 91 00:05:29,503 --> 00:05:31,679 that the world has ever seen. 92 00:05:31,722 --> 00:05:34,203 - In regards of what region I was studying, 93 00:05:34,246 --> 00:05:35,639 if there's a term I didn't know, 94 00:05:35,683 --> 00:05:37,989 I could go to that one resource, The Oxford Companion, 95 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:40,862 and I could find the definition of whatever that word was. 96 00:05:40,905 --> 00:05:42,385 - [Jancis] My children tease me 97 00:05:42,429 --> 00:05:46,302 that The Oxford Companion is my fourth child. [laughs] 98 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:52,090 - Jancis meant to wine what Julia Child did to food. 99 00:05:52,134 --> 00:05:56,138 She brought a beautiful joy and enthusiasm to it 100 00:05:56,181 --> 00:05:59,183 that made the world of wine fun. 101 00:06:01,622 --> 00:06:04,233 - If she says good things about your wine, 102 00:06:04,276 --> 00:06:05,452 people notice that. 103 00:06:05,495 --> 00:06:06,714 - [Virginia] If she doesn't like a wine, 104 00:06:06,757 --> 00:06:09,020 she's got no problem in saying it upfront, 105 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:12,720 so she's petrifying to do a tasting with. [laughs] 106 00:06:12,763 --> 00:06:17,028 Her opinion matters, I mean she's a serious woman. 107 00:06:17,072 --> 00:06:18,247 - [Host] It's now my honor 108 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:20,554 to invite Jancis Robinson to the stage. 109 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:23,165 [applauding] 110 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:29,127 - I think probably I've done a little bit 111 00:06:29,171 --> 00:06:34,176 to make employers feel that female employees 112 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:39,747 in the world of wine should be given absolutely their due. 113 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:41,749 Wherever this award is being held 114 00:06:41,792 --> 00:06:44,447 and for whichever country we would be for it, 115 00:06:44,491 --> 00:06:50,322 but particularly for Australia because you have to admit, 116 00:06:50,366 --> 00:06:51,802 the Australian wine scene 117 00:06:51,846 --> 00:06:55,371 has been pretty male dominated for quite a while. 118 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:58,026 - You're talking about the 10 or 20 people in the world 119 00:06:58,069 --> 00:07:00,202 whom are probably instinctive tasters, 120 00:07:00,245 --> 00:07:03,379 where they're sort of born with a very high level of gift, 121 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:06,991 and I mean, she's on of 'em. 122 00:07:07,035 --> 00:07:09,472 - Women are better tasters, better blind tasters for sure. 123 00:07:09,516 --> 00:07:13,215 We have a sensory memory that men don't have, 124 00:07:13,258 --> 00:07:15,173 - There are lots of scientific studies that suggest 125 00:07:15,217 --> 00:07:18,220 that women actually taste more accurately than men, 126 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:19,351 but it's a very male thing 127 00:07:19,395 --> 00:07:21,963 that competitive blind tasting, yeah. 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,055 [dramatic music] 129 00:07:39,763 --> 00:07:40,982 - We're gonna do a little blind tasting today, 130 00:07:41,025 --> 00:07:43,550 and I'm in the latter part of my career, 131 00:07:43,593 --> 00:07:46,030 so today we'll see what few skills I have left. 132 00:07:47,292 --> 00:07:50,339 - There's incredibly famous stories about Fred. 133 00:07:50,382 --> 00:07:52,341 More people know of the legend of Fred Dame 134 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:54,778 than have tasted with Fred. 135 00:07:54,822 --> 00:07:58,173 - Fred is one of the best blind tasters 136 00:07:58,216 --> 00:07:59,087 I've ever met in my life. 137 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:00,480 - He was in Seattle. 138 00:08:00,523 --> 00:08:02,612 Everyone's blind tasting an old bottle of Madeira. 139 00:08:02,656 --> 00:08:06,398 He puts his nose in the glass and says, "This is 1905." 140 00:08:06,442 --> 00:08:09,793 - I've never really gave Fred a flight, you know, of wine. 141 00:08:09,837 --> 00:08:14,189 - Jay is competitive as hell, and Fred is as well, 142 00:08:14,232 --> 00:08:16,626 so I'd love to see that. 143 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:19,281 - I decided to pick a couple things with some age, right? 144 00:08:19,324 --> 00:08:21,239 Because age kind of masks things. 145 00:08:21,283 --> 00:08:22,806 - Probably like the scene in Heat, 146 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:24,895 you know, when you have like De Niro and Pacino 147 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:26,680 sitting down having coffee together. 148 00:08:28,856 --> 00:08:30,379 [knocking] 149 00:08:30,422 --> 00:08:32,033 - [Jay] Hold on, not just yet. 150 00:08:34,078 --> 00:08:35,297 - [Man] How many Master Sommeliers 151 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:37,517 does it take to decant a bottle of wine? 152 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,866 - Apparently more than one. 153 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:43,434 You always wonder, you know, 154 00:08:43,479 --> 00:08:45,568 how your skills have done as time marches on, 155 00:08:45,612 --> 00:08:47,744 as gravity takes hold of your body, right? 156 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,532 - Fred likes to win. [laughs] 157 00:08:54,403 --> 00:08:57,362 Come on in Fred, let's have a glass of wine, buddy. 158 00:08:57,406 --> 00:08:58,450 - Oh, let's not. 159 00:08:59,321 --> 00:09:01,453 I'm a little old for this, you know? 160 00:09:02,324 --> 00:09:04,413 [groans] gosh. 161 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:06,981 - I think you're pretty good, but I bet you, 162 00:09:07,024 --> 00:09:08,330 you'd call these white wines. 163 00:09:09,592 --> 00:09:12,595 - Chardonnay, Riesling. 164 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:14,249 Thank you. - Done, thank you. 165 00:09:14,292 --> 00:09:17,339 Done, you pass. [laughing] 166 00:09:17,382 --> 00:09:20,821 - Fred Dame is the grandfather 167 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:22,779 of the American sommelier business. 168 00:09:22,823 --> 00:09:25,565 - [Laura] He is the best hospitality, 169 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:27,305 restaurateur, sommelier. 170 00:09:27,349 --> 00:09:30,308 - [Man] I don't think wine in restaurants would be 171 00:09:30,352 --> 00:09:31,962 where it is today if it weren't for someone like him. 172 00:09:32,006 --> 00:09:34,617 - The big wine list with the teaching, 173 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:36,097 with the training. 174 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:38,621 He really reshaped the landscape 175 00:09:38,665 --> 00:09:41,319 of not only California wine lists, 176 00:09:41,363 --> 00:09:43,234 but wine lists throughout the United States. 177 00:09:43,278 --> 00:09:44,975 - Oh, I think I deserve all the credit. 178 00:09:46,455 --> 00:09:50,415 - I picked the Guigal Chateau d'Ampuis Cote-Rotie. 179 00:09:51,678 --> 00:09:55,116 This is a classic wine from the Rhone Valley. 180 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,467 It's Syrah with a little bit of Viognier. 181 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,556 The trick on that wine is it's got the new oak on it, 182 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,776 so it could be misleading and take him somewhere else. 183 00:10:02,819 --> 00:10:06,867 The other trick on that wine is that it's a 1995 vintage. 184 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:08,608 So here we got a 22-year-old wine. 185 00:10:09,739 --> 00:10:12,568 - Alright, well, I can tell you 186 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:14,657 whoever decanted these did one crap job. 187 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:16,267 [laughs] 188 00:10:16,311 --> 00:10:17,747 'Cause I got a big chunk of cork floating in mine. 189 00:10:17,791 --> 00:10:19,923 It looks like you used a chainsaw. 190 00:10:19,967 --> 00:10:21,664 - [Jay] That's all I had, a chainsaw. 191 00:10:21,708 --> 00:10:23,057 We're in Montana. - Okay. 192 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:24,362 [laughs] 193 00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:25,320 - I broke it down with a chainsaw, 194 00:10:25,363 --> 00:10:26,843 threw some wood chips in there. 195 00:10:26,887 --> 00:10:30,673 - Point number one, the viscosity is very, very good. 196 00:10:30,717 --> 00:10:34,808 It's going a little garnet from center to the rim. 197 00:10:34,851 --> 00:10:36,374 It's got a little watery rim, 198 00:10:36,418 --> 00:10:38,550 which tells me the glycerol's a little high. 199 00:10:39,856 --> 00:10:41,684 Well, it's really peppery, 200 00:10:43,164 --> 00:10:46,471 and really smoky, and really meaty, 201 00:10:48,604 --> 00:10:50,127 but really, really well crafted. 202 00:10:50,171 --> 00:10:52,477 This wine seems to be showing some age. 203 00:10:52,521 --> 00:10:54,001 It smells like a Rhone wine. 204 00:10:54,044 --> 00:10:55,698 I mean, that's what it smells like. 205 00:10:57,482 --> 00:11:00,747 I'd put it [sighs] in Northern Rhone. 206 00:11:02,183 --> 00:11:04,402 I'd say Cote-Rotie or Hermitage. 207 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:06,143 Cote-Rotie is kind of what I really like 208 00:11:06,187 --> 00:11:08,058 'cause it's so peppery and meaty. 209 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,930 Very high quality producer. 210 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:11,540 - So final call Cote-Rotie. 211 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:13,716 What's the final vintage call? 212 00:11:15,457 --> 00:11:17,415 - There is some, I'd give it '95. 213 00:11:17,459 --> 00:11:18,939 [laughs] 214 00:11:18,982 --> 00:11:20,636 - That's pretty good, Fred. 215 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:21,637 That's pretty good. 216 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:26,686 [bright classical music] 217 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:51,232 [plates clanking] 218 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:53,451 - Honey, we got some cheese? - Yep. 219 00:11:53,495 --> 00:11:55,018 - [Steven] Well, I need two more side plates. 220 00:11:55,062 --> 00:11:57,151 I'll get them out of the dishwasher. 221 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:58,892 It looks nicer with the side plates. 222 00:12:00,197 --> 00:12:01,677 - [Bella] Oh, okay. 223 00:12:06,377 --> 00:12:09,641 [water pouring] 224 00:12:09,685 --> 00:12:11,687 - It shows I'm house trained. 225 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:13,167 [Bella laughs] 226 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:16,257 - He's very house trained, all to do with his mother. 227 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:18,128 It's always to do with people's mothers. 228 00:12:18,172 --> 00:12:20,478 [laughing] 229 00:12:20,522 --> 00:12:23,743 - I've never minded washing up and I'm incredibly tidy. 230 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:26,136 Tidiness is next to godliness. 231 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:29,531 - Oh rubbish, anyway I'm not tidy at all, 232 00:12:30,619 --> 00:12:32,795 [Steven laughs] 233 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:33,840 which is a good mix. 234 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:38,235 [bright classical music] 235 00:12:41,543 --> 00:12:46,548 Steven has been the mentor of so many famous people in wine. 236 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:56,688 He is, I won't say obsessed, but he is in his world. 237 00:12:56,732 --> 00:12:58,386 It is his thing. 238 00:12:58,429 --> 00:13:00,649 It just has been his life, it always will be. 239 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:03,217 - I'm not a mathematician, 240 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:06,873 but I tend to drink at least a bottle of wine a day. 241 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:11,921 So that's, let's say 400 a year, and let's say 55 years. 242 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,143 You calculate it out. 243 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:17,231 - You know, there's kind of a thing 244 00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:18,885 in the sommelier community today, 245 00:13:18,928 --> 00:13:23,324 where you go and you find the weirdest wine. 246 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:26,675 Well, Steven Spurrier kind of started all that. 247 00:13:26,718 --> 00:13:29,721 He was always a champion of the underdog. 248 00:13:29,765 --> 00:13:33,725 - Steven had a small empire in Paris, 249 00:13:33,769 --> 00:13:35,684 and we all used to hang out there. 250 00:13:35,727 --> 00:13:37,555 It was... 251 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:38,818 How can I put it? 252 00:13:38,861 --> 00:13:42,169 It was I suppose you'd say in today's language, 253 00:13:42,212 --> 00:13:44,214 it was where it was all happening. 254 00:13:44,258 --> 00:13:46,608 He had a wine school 255 00:13:46,651 --> 00:13:49,437 with excellent, excellent people who taught there. 256 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,266 He had a retail shop, and he had a restaurant. 257 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:56,009 - Definitely something to be inspired by and look up to. 258 00:13:56,052 --> 00:13:57,880 - I mean Steven Spurrier is a legend. 259 00:13:57,924 --> 00:13:59,186 - Especially me coming over 260 00:13:59,229 --> 00:14:01,971 from the restaurant side and getting into retail. 261 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:04,669 [light music] 262 00:14:12,416 --> 00:14:15,724 - If I'm known for anything, it's the Judgment of Paris. 263 00:14:15,767 --> 00:14:17,987 Probably the most famous wine event in the last 50 years. 264 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:19,423 [laughs] 265 00:14:19,467 --> 00:14:21,948 [bright music] 266 00:14:30,826 --> 00:14:33,263 - [Carole] It was a time when New World wines 267 00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:36,092 were beginning to emerge on the world wine market, 268 00:14:40,314 --> 00:14:42,533 but there were a lot of people who thought 269 00:14:42,577 --> 00:14:45,623 that they would never match the Old World wines 270 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:47,756 that had been around for so long, 271 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:53,893 on which the wine market was based at that time. 272 00:14:57,157 --> 00:14:58,506 - Steven Spurrier brought 273 00:14:58,549 --> 00:15:00,943 the best California wines of the day, 274 00:15:00,987 --> 00:15:03,641 and put them against the best French wines of the day. 275 00:15:03,685 --> 00:15:07,036 - At that stage, the wine world knew Bordeaux chiefly. 276 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,300 - So we invited the nine best palates 277 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,694 in France over a wide spectrum. 278 00:15:14,739 --> 00:15:15,958 - 90% of all the judges 279 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:17,655 never tasted a California wine before, 280 00:15:17,699 --> 00:15:21,268 so they had no perception of what California was capable of. 281 00:15:21,311 --> 00:15:25,011 - So we said, "Okay, I've gotta put in the French wines 282 00:15:25,054 --> 00:15:27,752 "side by side with these Californians, 283 00:15:27,796 --> 00:15:29,972 "or they won't take it seriously." 284 00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:31,713 - Nowadays blind tasting, 285 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:34,542 everyone just assumes it happens all the time. 286 00:15:34,585 --> 00:15:37,806 It was totally new, really, back then. 287 00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:40,591 - [Narrator] He was hoping that one of the wines 288 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:42,593 would come in top five in either category 289 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:46,075 and saying, "Hey, let's pay attention to California wine." 290 00:15:49,818 --> 00:15:51,341 - Well, the rest is history. 291 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:54,170 - California wines ended up topping the Chardonnay category 292 00:15:54,214 --> 00:15:55,737 and Cabernet Sauvignon category, 293 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,653 which I think blew everyone's mind. 294 00:15:58,696 --> 00:16:00,568 - We went up against the very, very best stuff and we won. 295 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:02,309 - And then all hell broke loose. 296 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:04,920 - Shit happens. 297 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:06,182 - He never knew they were going to win, no one did. 298 00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,576 - [Bella] I don't think either of us realized 299 00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:10,404 the implications at the time. 300 00:16:12,928 --> 00:16:14,538 - [Madeline] Congress has it listed 301 00:16:14,582 --> 00:16:16,801 as an actual historical event. 302 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:21,023 You can see the bottles in The Smithsonian. 303 00:16:22,416 --> 00:16:23,765 - And that changed the world. 304 00:16:23,808 --> 00:16:25,506 They weren't just a joke anymore. 305 00:16:25,549 --> 00:16:28,074 They weren't just the upstart Americans. 306 00:16:28,117 --> 00:16:28,988 We were a threat. 307 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:34,994 - [Jancis] Several French suppliers contacted us 308 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:37,257 and said they would never speak to us again. 309 00:16:39,911 --> 00:16:41,304 I mean, people were horrible to the judges, 310 00:16:41,348 --> 00:16:43,959 and they were very loyal to Steven, the judges. 311 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:46,048 - [Madeline] The actual event itself, 312 00:16:46,092 --> 00:16:48,529 it didn't seem important at the time, 313 00:16:48,572 --> 00:16:50,922 but the fallout of the Judgment of Paris 314 00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:52,315 is really the thing. 315 00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:55,753 - The fact that it was a blind tasting, 316 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:59,148 they weren't competing with the history and the heritage, 317 00:16:59,192 --> 00:17:01,759 and all the glory of Bordeaux and Burgundy. 318 00:17:01,803 --> 00:17:04,196 They were competing on their merits. 319 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,374 - It got the East Coast to say, 320 00:17:07,416 --> 00:17:10,986 "Hey, maybe there are some good wines in California. 321 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,075 "Let's start selling their wines." 322 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,818 - We owe our existence, if you will, 323 00:17:16,861 --> 00:17:19,255 to the Judgment of Paris 1976. 324 00:17:19,299 --> 00:17:21,910 - That's crazy, like now we think of Napa Valley 325 00:17:21,953 --> 00:17:24,260 and it's like one of the best 326 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:26,001 wine producing regions in the world. 327 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,872 - The biggest thing that happened was the prices went up. 328 00:17:27,915 --> 00:17:29,222 I was bummed. 329 00:17:29,265 --> 00:17:31,267 I was buying the stuff for nothing, man. 330 00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:36,011 - [Ian] It caused an explosion on the business front. 331 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:38,492 Absolutely everybody made more money. 332 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:42,887 - With Bordeaux, which were the Cabernet based wines 333 00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:45,847 in France, there was already a classification system 334 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:47,196 of the best wines in the world, 335 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,982 and so they chose the first growths of Bordeaux. 336 00:17:51,026 --> 00:17:54,029 One of the really interesting aspects was they didn't choose 337 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,901 the most famous California wineries at the time. 338 00:17:56,945 --> 00:17:59,687 - [Steven] I could've easily put in Mondovi, I knew him, 339 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:01,689 but his wasn't wine I was after. 340 00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:05,519 - [Narrator] They chose artisanal, 341 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:09,175 family run very high quality producers. 342 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:13,092 It's not all about Napa, I mean if you think about Ridge, 343 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:16,704 that's Santa Cruz Mountains, which are much further south. 344 00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:21,361 - I made the wine that was in the tasting. 345 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:23,537 It was my, let's see, one, two. 346 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:26,975 It was my third wine that I made here at Ridge. 347 00:18:27,018 --> 00:18:28,281 - All the famous wineries today 348 00:18:28,324 --> 00:18:30,021 were like minuscule back then. 349 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,806 When you call Ridge and you know, 350 00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:33,068 the VW van would come down, 351 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:34,591 all the smoke would come pouring out like, 352 00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:35,853 "Dude, are you the man that bought, 353 00:18:35,897 --> 00:18:38,595 "did you order five cases of Zin?" 354 00:18:38,639 --> 00:18:39,901 I go, "I did." 355 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:40,989 "Cool man. 356 00:18:41,032 --> 00:18:41,990 "You wanna taste some other stuff?" 357 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:43,513 "Yeah come in. 358 00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:44,601 "We've got some other stuff in the van here, man." 359 00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:50,433 - Every wine in that tasting had a story. 360 00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:51,695 - [Narrator] You look at Chateau Montelena, 361 00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:53,349 that was a wine made by Mike Grgich, 362 00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:58,006 a Croatian refugee who came to the United States in 1958 363 00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,444 with 35 American dollars 364 00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:04,099 that he stashed in the sole of his shoes. 365 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,448 So this is a guy who put everything 366 00:19:05,492 --> 00:19:09,104 to try to capitalize on the American Dream. 367 00:19:12,977 --> 00:19:16,894 It was Clos Du Val's first vintage making wine, 368 00:19:16,938 --> 00:19:22,639 and to enter into that with that tasting is huge. 369 00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:25,816 [upbeat jazzy music] 370 00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:31,996 - So I'm at this event, right? 371 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,433 - 18,000 now, one more? 372 00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:35,739 Hey 19,000 and 19, go 20? 373 00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:39,178 - Where everyone in the business goes once a year 374 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:41,615 to buy auction lots of wine, 375 00:19:41,658 --> 00:19:45,227 and we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars dropped 376 00:19:45,271 --> 00:19:46,446 in a matter of moments 377 00:19:46,489 --> 00:19:48,448 over these very precious bottles of wine. 378 00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:50,972 - All done, sold $32,000. 379 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:54,628 - [Madeline] If you were seriously tasting there, 380 00:19:54,671 --> 00:19:59,546 you would taste 360 or so lots of Cabernet wines. 381 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:02,723 Your teeth would be so purple. [laughs] 382 00:20:02,766 --> 00:20:05,247 I'm in the tasting. 383 00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:07,118 Everyone's here. - Everybody's here. 384 00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,686 - And I go to the back, and boom! 385 00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:11,688 It's Steven Spurrier. 386 00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:14,952 Steven effin' Spurrier is there. 387 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:17,651 The man who planned the Paris tasting, 388 00:20:17,694 --> 00:20:19,566 and DLynn Proctor's there. 389 00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:21,959 He is one of the most well-connected people 390 00:20:22,003 --> 00:20:24,788 in the California wine business. 391 00:20:24,832 --> 00:20:27,226 This guy is the smoothest operator. 392 00:20:28,139 --> 00:20:29,402 - Great seeing you guys. 393 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:30,664 Always a pleasure. 394 00:20:30,707 --> 00:20:34,145 - And he's got a bottle of one of the wines 395 00:20:34,189 --> 00:20:36,800 from the 1976 Paris tasting. 396 00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:38,976 - I pulled on the coattail of one of my dear friends 397 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:41,892 who runs Clos Du Val, and I asked him 398 00:20:41,936 --> 00:20:43,981 if I could the 1972 Judgment of Paris wine. 399 00:20:44,025 --> 00:20:46,593 - [Madeline] No, it doesn't matter how much money you have, 400 00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:49,683 you can't get the wines from the Paris tasting. 401 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:51,162 - You have no idea what I had to do to get this. 402 00:20:51,206 --> 00:20:53,382 - Yeah, well. - You'll love it. [laughs] 403 00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:54,992 - I really appreciate it, man. 404 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,603 - Don't drop it. - Thank you. 405 00:20:57,995 --> 00:20:59,127 Hey Mike. 406 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:00,041 I gotta clean my teeth, man. 407 00:21:00,084 --> 00:21:02,130 These 16s are so fucking big. 408 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:10,051 - [Madeline] It's this old room and it's Steve Matthiasson, 409 00:21:10,094 --> 00:21:13,707 myself, Steven Spurrier, DLynn Proctor. 410 00:21:15,143 --> 00:21:18,451 They pour out some of the wine and everyone's sitting there 411 00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:22,324 with a wine that doesn't exist. [laughs] 412 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:24,152 Like, you can't get this wine. 413 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:26,328 - It's more leather. 414 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:27,416 - It's like horehound candy and leather. 415 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,852 - Like a more kind off-- - Absolutely. 416 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:31,899 - high polished leather. 417 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,294 I mean, the fruit is there, 418 00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:36,556 the fruit is backing the whole thing up, 419 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:39,733 but you don't sense cassis or red currant, 420 00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:41,517 yet they're there, but hidden. - No, no it's totally, 421 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:43,084 it's all tertiary now. 422 00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:45,086 - But the vigor, yeah, you're quite right, tertiary. 423 00:21:45,129 --> 00:21:48,872 The vigor, the restrained vigor 424 00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:50,178 in this wine is quite extraordinary. 425 00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,180 - In the '70s, acidity was prized. 426 00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,616 - Absolutely. 427 00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:55,401 - You know, it was a couple of decades later, 428 00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:56,837 the winemakers felt you needed 429 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,317 to not have as much acidity. - Not have it. 430 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,276 - For that breadth, but they wanted the acidity. 431 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,366 - When you think about the late '70s when this happened, 432 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:07,064 you put Napa Valley wine, you put California wine, 433 00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:08,631 on such a global stage, 434 00:22:08,675 --> 00:22:11,286 and the bandwidth just expanded so greatly. 435 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,636 I mean, does Napa owe you? 436 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,290 - Well, I think there should be 437 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,509 a little street named after me. 438 00:22:16,552 --> 00:22:18,162 I mean, I think that's a good idea. 439 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,295 [laughing] 440 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,166 I wouldn't take the Silverado Trail, 441 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:24,386 but just a little side street. 442 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:25,909 - [Madeline] I would, yeah. 443 00:22:25,953 --> 00:22:29,130 Steven Spurrier Lane. - I like that. 444 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:30,610 - If you were to do this today, 445 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:34,222 would you still do the same grape 446 00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:36,267 or would you do maybe something else? 447 00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:39,314 - If I were doing it again, I'd probably take Pinot Noir. 448 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,230 [upbeat jazzy music] 449 00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,934 [horn honks] 450 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,773 - [Madeline] So Dustin Wilson goes 451 00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:07,298 from his cushy Eleven Madison Park restaurant job, 452 00:23:07,342 --> 00:23:10,127 and opens a wine retail store. 453 00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:14,741 - Oh, the glamorous life of retail. 454 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:16,307 - You know, in today's marketplace, 455 00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:19,398 you have to be a little bit wacky 456 00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:22,444 to wanna open your own wine store. 457 00:23:22,488 --> 00:23:26,013 It's a dream, I mean, I would love to do that, 458 00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:29,756 but it takes an amazing amount of effort, 459 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,281 and everyone's always looking for the best tasting wine 460 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,022 at the greatest possible value. 461 00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:36,502 - You know, bang for the buck. 462 00:23:38,242 --> 00:23:40,549 - [Madeline] I think a lot of people look to Burgundy. 463 00:23:40,593 --> 00:23:42,072 - Keep browsing. - Oh, and what is the lot 464 00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,422 on this Pinot Noir? - [Madeline] What can I get 465 00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:46,163 that is a good as Burgundy Pinot Noir? 466 00:23:46,207 --> 00:23:48,775 But honestly, those wines are not really approachable 467 00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:49,906 when it comes to price. 468 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:51,734 They are expensive. 469 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,825 - If you look at what Spurrier did with his tasting 470 00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:59,438 back in the '70s and what that did for California wines, 471 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:02,832 and it's like if you look at what is going on today 472 00:24:02,876 --> 00:24:05,444 and you want to have this similar conversation 473 00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:07,881 with regards to not just California, 474 00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:11,188 but lots of different places, very objectively, 475 00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:13,060 I think we've gotten to a point now 476 00:24:13,103 --> 00:24:14,931 where we can have some of these Pinot Noirs 477 00:24:14,975 --> 00:24:17,281 from other places in the world besides Burgundy 478 00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:19,849 be in the same conversation as Burgundy, 479 00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:21,242 at a very high level. 480 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:26,334 [bell chiming] 481 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:39,390 - Pinot Noir has this distinctness of place. 482 00:24:39,434 --> 00:24:40,391 It's really showcasing the wine. 483 00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:42,045 - It's a plant that grows well, 484 00:24:42,089 --> 00:24:44,439 and it'll make fruit just about anywhere, 485 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,137 but it won't make good fruit 486 00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:49,400 that'll make good wine just about anywhere. 487 00:24:49,444 --> 00:24:51,185 - [Narrator] It's insanely high maintenance, 488 00:24:51,228 --> 00:24:52,403 I mean Pinot is like, 489 00:24:52,447 --> 00:24:55,015 you've had a thin-skinned friend before, 490 00:24:55,058 --> 00:24:57,191 and you have to handle them with kid gloves. 491 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,019 Pinot is the same thing. 492 00:24:59,062 --> 00:25:01,282 - [Madeline] It's the ballerina in the room. 493 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:02,457 It treads lightly. 494 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:03,937 - [Laura] It shows exactly 495 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:05,591 what the producer wants you to see. 496 00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:07,462 However, you know because of that 497 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,117 you see every bit of shit, as well. 498 00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:14,948 - [Carole] It's hard to make fine wine out of Pinot, 499 00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:18,517 and that's heavily influenced by where it's grown. 500 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,997 - [Man] If it's too hot, the grapes will burn. 501 00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:23,957 If it's not the right soil, they won't yield a crop. 502 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,567 It's very finicky that way. 503 00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:27,134 - [Carole] It's an early ripener, 504 00:25:27,177 --> 00:25:29,876 so you have to grow Pinot in a cool place. 505 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,791 - If I saw a label of California wine, 506 00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:33,575 immediately I would think 507 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:37,318 this is not on a par with Burgundy. 508 00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:38,841 This Pinot Noir is not as good 509 00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:40,800 as the French label I'm looking at. 510 00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,236 - Nobody's ever gonna argue 511 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:43,585 that Burgundy isn't the greatest place 512 00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:45,282 for Pinot Noir in the world 513 00:25:45,326 --> 00:25:50,287 However, the level at which other places have increased 514 00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:53,377 the quality of Pinot Noir globally is crazy. 515 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:56,076 Like you can get great Pinot Noir from all over the map now. 516 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,471 - So, Dustin Wilson sets up this tasting. 517 00:26:01,516 --> 00:26:03,039 For this to actually work, 518 00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,912 not only does Dustin have to curate wines 519 00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:09,002 that he actually thinks can hold up against the greats, 520 00:26:09,045 --> 00:26:13,354 you gotta have some amazing palates in the room 521 00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:17,532 with a lot of weight, so that their opinions matter, 522 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,708 and that what they're actually saying 523 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:22,581 is what the best of the best in the world 524 00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:23,886 would actually believe. 525 00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:27,455 - So, I got a text from Dustin. 526 00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,413 I think it was like on Wednesday, and he said, 527 00:26:29,457 --> 00:26:32,373 "Hey, you wanna come down to Verve to taste on Sunday?" 528 00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,681 A couple days later, Engelmann calls me and says, 529 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:38,988 "Oh, you going to be at Verve on Sunday, too?" 530 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:41,991 - So Dustin calls us, this tasting blind. 531 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:44,428 - And then I start to get a little suspicious 532 00:26:44,472 --> 00:26:47,431 about what kind of event they're walking into. 533 00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:53,873 - I really wanted to assemble the very best tasters. 534 00:26:55,483 --> 00:26:58,312 You need people with that sort of great credibility 535 00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:01,445 and experience behind them to give this any sort of weight. 536 00:27:02,882 --> 00:27:05,754 Sabato Sagaria is a fellow Master Sommelier. 537 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:09,497 One of the most hospitality, and business, 538 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,500 and restaurant visions and minds. 539 00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:13,719 For the last several years, 540 00:27:13,762 --> 00:27:16,069 running all the Danny Meyer restaurants, 541 00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:18,375 he's now president of Bartaco. 542 00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,595 Laura Maniec is joining us for the tasting. 543 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,990 Laura is the owner of Corkbuzz here in New York. 544 00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:25,731 She's also a fellow Master Sommelier, 545 00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,995 a phenomenal taster, badass businesswoman. 546 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,696 Michael Engelmann passed his Master Sommelier exams 547 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,568 on the first time with the highest score. 548 00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:39,483 This guy is an animal. 549 00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:41,442 He has got one of the greatest resumes 550 00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:43,531 of any Master Sommelier that I know. 551 00:27:43,574 --> 00:27:44,924 So we have Aldo Sohm, 552 00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:47,578 best sommelier in the world back in '09. 553 00:27:47,622 --> 00:27:51,060 Wine director for Le Bernardin, a three Michelin star, 554 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,846 four star New York Times restaurant in Manhattan. 555 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:57,719 Eric Ripert is the chef and it's widely considered 556 00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,808 one of the very best restaurants in the world. 557 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:02,811 Pascaline Lepeltier, 558 00:28:02,855 --> 00:28:05,422 Pascaline is one of the most respected tasters. 559 00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:06,510 She's originally from France. 560 00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:08,251 She's on of the biggest supporters 561 00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:09,557 of the natural wine movement. 562 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,648 She is very much what a lot of young sommeliers 563 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,476 look up to and aspire to be. 564 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,654 I'm also really excited to have Arvid Rosengren joining us. 565 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,265 Arvid came here to the US from Sweden. 566 00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:24,311 He kinda came out of nowhere, 567 00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,661 won the Best Sommelier in the World competition 568 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:28,750 last year in Mendoza. 569 00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:31,448 Everybody's like, wow, who is this guy? 570 00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:32,754 Lastly, we have Sarah Thomas. 571 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,409 Sarah is a sommelier at Le Bernardin with Aldo. 572 00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,237 She is a rising star. 573 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,109 She brings a little bit of a more fresh perspective 574 00:28:40,153 --> 00:28:41,632 to a tasting like this. 575 00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:43,896 - Those are among the best tasters there are 576 00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,811 in New York for sure, if not the country. 577 00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:48,117 - I wanted to try to make this, you know, 578 00:28:48,161 --> 00:28:49,815 as well rounded as possible. 579 00:28:49,858 --> 00:28:51,642 - [Madeline] Female, male, 580 00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:53,862 Master Sommeliers, non-credentialed, 581 00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:55,298 but that doesn't mean anything 582 00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:57,170 because these people are brilliant. 583 00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,085 - [Dustin] One Swede, two French people, 584 00:28:59,128 --> 00:29:02,479 three Americans, and an Austrian. 585 00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:03,872 - They have a really great perspective 586 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:05,395 on what the world of wine is like, 587 00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,615 because they tasted Domaine de la Romanee-Conti, 588 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:10,357 and they tasted $10 bottles of Monterey Pinot Noir. 589 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:17,625 - Sometimes you get a chance to be a fly on the wall 590 00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:20,236 in the room when amazing things are happening. 591 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,285 You don't even realize what kind of weight they hold. 592 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:27,635 - We've been a little secretive about the tasting, 593 00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:28,984 and that's kind of on purpose. 594 00:29:29,942 --> 00:29:31,204 We assembled this group 595 00:29:31,247 --> 00:29:33,946 because you guys are the best of the best. 596 00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:35,861 This is a blind tasting. 597 00:29:35,904 --> 00:29:40,561 It's all Pinot Noir, but we're not trying to assess 598 00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:42,389 where it's coming from or anything like that. 599 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:44,217 We're not trying to guess vintages. 600 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,567 It's not that kind of blind tasting, it's more just, 601 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:48,569 I wanna get honest opinions on the wines 602 00:29:48,612 --> 00:29:52,094 without seeing the labels and knowing where it's coming from 603 00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:53,617 and all that sort of jazz. 604 00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:56,272 So we can be truly objective with the wines. 605 00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:59,710 At the end of this, I'm gonna ask you to pick what you think 606 00:29:59,754 --> 00:30:04,411 are your personal top three wines, and that's it. 607 00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:08,110 - [Madeline] Their nose, and their tongues, 608 00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,417 and their mouths have been tuned. 609 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:14,813 A simple question like hey, you like it? 610 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:17,163 You're not gonna get that as an answer. 611 00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:18,817 [light music] 612 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,821 - Okay, so obviously, we have all the wines decided on. 613 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,737 We have not decided the order in which to pour these yet. 614 00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,175 So I think the way to do this is really, 615 00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:31,046 try to be as random as possible, right? 616 00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:32,134 We've got a couple New World wines 617 00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:33,744 and a couple Old World wines. 618 00:30:33,788 --> 00:30:36,617 There's also like kind of a pretty stark wine making style. 619 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:37,923 There's some whole cluster wines, 620 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,055 and then there's also some de-stemmed wines. 621 00:30:40,099 --> 00:30:42,014 We're also don't necessarily gonna launch 622 00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:44,233 with like the most esteemed wine. 623 00:30:44,277 --> 00:30:46,627 You might wanna bury that somewhere in the middle. 624 00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,283 [sighs] 625 00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:51,850 I don't know, let's see, maybe... 626 00:30:53,286 --> 00:30:56,767 Maybe we start with something a little unexpected. 627 00:30:56,811 --> 00:31:01,685 Maybe we can start with Chacra, Bodegas Chacra is wine one. 628 00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:05,080 [light music] 629 00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:12,740 This little state in Patagonia 630 00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:14,785 is making world class Pinot Noir, 631 00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:16,787 in this place that you would never think 632 00:31:16,831 --> 00:31:17,919 you'd even see Pinot Noir. 633 00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:18,877 Initial thoughts? 634 00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:23,838 - It tasted the youngest and like freshest to me. 635 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,361 Not quite integrated. 636 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:27,668 - It's funny, on the nose it smells like really stemmy, 637 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,626 or really like intense, 638 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:31,802 and then there's a little heat on the nose, as well, 639 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:34,240 but like, only when you exhale. 640 00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:37,808 Like the finish is sweet. 641 00:31:37,852 --> 00:31:39,288 - Yeah, it was almost like gummy strawberry. 642 00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:41,029 - Yeah, sort of-- - Carbonic. 643 00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,639 - [Laura] Yeah, carbonic. 644 00:31:42,683 --> 00:31:44,946 - I hope I'm not offending anyone that I know and respect, 645 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,730 but it kind of feels like a wine 646 00:31:46,774 --> 00:31:48,732 that someone's trying to make in a really elegant style 647 00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:50,865 in a place where you maybe don't make 648 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,345 this by, sort of by nature. 649 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:55,522 - [Dustin] Okay, interesting. 650 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,350 Again, I'm... [laughing] 651 00:31:57,393 --> 00:32:00,875 - Interesting, right? - I'm listening to you guys. 652 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,355 - I'm kidding. - No again, 653 00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:03,530 it's not about being right or anything, it's about-- 654 00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:04,923 - [Michael] Are the wines gonna be revealed? 655 00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,926 - I don't know, maybe. - In the movie? 656 00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:11,407 - Michael, settle down. [laughs] 657 00:32:14,845 --> 00:32:16,412 So that's whole cluster New World. 658 00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:19,981 Let's go into a de-stemmed Old World wine 659 00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:22,027 with the d'Angerville. 660 00:32:23,506 --> 00:32:25,900 [light music] 661 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:28,990 Marquis d'Angerville is really 662 00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:30,992 I think the gold standard in Volnay. 663 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,995 This is the V producer that you wannna showcase from Volnay. 664 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:38,957 - This one was the most quiet on the nose, 665 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,219 and then I was surprised 666 00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:43,222 that it had so much tannin structure, 667 00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:45,354 and it was like it finished really acidic, 668 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:46,965 which for me is Old World. 669 00:32:48,662 --> 00:32:52,796 It has this like chalky minerality, but at the same time, 670 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,494 the only thing that's throwing me off 671 00:32:54,537 --> 00:32:57,801 of this like Old Word thing, is like the sassafras. 672 00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,499 Like almost like this Werther's Original, 673 00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:01,631 like that just like doesn't belong there. 674 00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:03,851 So I'm not really sure what's going on, 675 00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,200 but I like the wine. 676 00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:07,376 I think it was, you know, I'd wanna drink it. 677 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:08,812 I think it's classic. 678 00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:11,337 - It's very pure. 679 00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:14,296 It's expensive oak, very well managed. 680 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:16,995 - A very ambitious wine, yeah. 681 00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:17,908 For good hors, but yeah. - With a lot of polish, 682 00:33:17,952 --> 00:33:19,736 and a lot of forethought. 683 00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,478 [dramatic music] 684 00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:34,882 [ducks quacking] 685 00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:44,413 - [Madeline] Everyone who's in the biz, 686 00:33:44,457 --> 00:33:47,808 and everyone who's a serious wine enthusiast 687 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,288 has that bottle. 688 00:33:49,331 --> 00:33:50,637 We all have a name for it. 689 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,943 I call it the a-ha wine. 690 00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:54,902 There's something that happens to you 691 00:33:54,945 --> 00:33:58,862 when you taste this wine that changes the way you see wine, 692 00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:01,778 and changes how you wanna be involved with wine. 693 00:34:01,822 --> 00:34:03,476 It gets us on our path. 694 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,134 What are the bottles that got the people that I look up to, 695 00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:10,004 what got them into wine? 696 00:34:11,918 --> 00:34:16,271 - So right, restaurants always set right to left. 697 00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:19,882 So because this is off the knife, and that's your angle. 698 00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:21,146 [clears throat] 699 00:34:21,188 --> 00:34:22,842 - But, if this is-- - Except we've got 700 00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:24,714 the small glass for our wines, which this is the wrong size. 701 00:34:24,757 --> 00:34:26,716 - Oh, you've got a chip in your glass, haven't you? 702 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,978 - I think that needs to be changed. 703 00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:29,371 - How could they give you a small glass? 704 00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:31,504 - It's because I drink faster than anybody else. 705 00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:34,202 - Wait a minute, I'm known as the fastest gun in the West. 706 00:34:34,246 --> 00:34:35,768 [Steven laughs] - [Steven] Right, okay. 707 00:34:35,812 --> 00:34:39,947 - So I am so looking forward to tasting this wine, 708 00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:43,429 which is the wine that lit the flame for me. 709 00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:46,518 I think most people who end up devoting their lives 710 00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:50,000 to wine have one seminal bottle, don't they? 711 00:34:50,043 --> 00:34:54,614 And I was an impoverished student at Oxford, 712 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:56,311 but I had a rich boyfriend 713 00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:59,009 and his father gave him slightly too much money, 714 00:34:59,053 --> 00:35:01,621 much of which was spent on wining and dining me. 715 00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:06,060 If I had said to my Oxford friends okay, when I graduate, 716 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,627 I'm gonna get a job in either food or wine, 717 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:09,933 they would've been seriously shocked, 718 00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:11,152 and they would've said, 719 00:35:11,196 --> 00:35:14,024 what a waste of a good Oxford education. 720 00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,984 [energetic music] 721 00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:21,684 I was first hired to be a presenter of what I still think 722 00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,078 was the world's first television series about wine. 723 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,862 It was called The Wine Programme. 724 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,517 First the champagne, 725 00:35:28,561 --> 00:35:31,738 the best way of ingesting carbon dioxide in the world. 726 00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,871 - We once had lunch with Tony Blair 727 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,091 when he was prime minister, 728 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:40,094 and he said that when he and Cherie were a young couple, 729 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:43,445 they used to rush back in the evenings to watch Jancis. 730 00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,753 - At that stage, the '80s were a completely mad decade 731 00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,320 for Nick and me. 732 00:35:48,363 --> 00:35:50,191 We got married in '81. 733 00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:52,541 We had our first child in '82. 734 00:35:52,585 --> 00:35:55,065 I made my first television series. 735 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:56,502 I think I wrote four books, 736 00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:58,460 at least, in the '80s if not five. 737 00:35:58,504 --> 00:35:59,809 - And it was also an era 738 00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:04,118 where women couldn't say no to anything. 739 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:05,728 They had to take everything on. 740 00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:09,776 - [Jancis] My generation was absolutely determined to prove 741 00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:14,389 that we could be mothers and successful career people. 742 00:36:14,433 --> 00:36:19,133 So when the Masters of Wine said to me in '83, 743 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,918 how about doing the exam in '84? 744 00:36:21,962 --> 00:36:23,093 I should've said no. 745 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:25,139 Nick said, "For heaven's sake don't." 746 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,967 All my friends and family said don't. 747 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:30,449 I stood to lose so much more by failing 748 00:36:30,492 --> 00:36:32,712 than I stood to gain by passing. 749 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,541 - I think becoming an MW was more difficult, 750 00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:38,544 and she was expecting our second child. 751 00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:41,895 - But much to my amazement, I did pass the first time. 752 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:43,113 - [Nick] You know, a bottle of wine 753 00:36:43,157 --> 00:36:44,811 is a bottle of wine to most people, 754 00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:45,986 but actually, it's the stories 755 00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:49,163 behind the wine that she's unearthed. 756 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,905 - It's a red Burgundy, 1959. 757 00:36:51,948 --> 00:36:53,123 The name of the vineyard 758 00:36:53,167 --> 00:36:55,604 is so glorious, it's Les Amoureuses. 759 00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:57,432 The lovers, the female lovers. 760 00:36:57,476 --> 00:37:00,261 It's been laying for who knows how long, 761 00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:03,090 in the cellars of the late John Avery, 762 00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:07,355 a fellow Master of Wine, and his family, after he died, 763 00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:10,271 they put most of his wine collection 764 00:37:10,315 --> 00:37:13,666 into Christie's to sell, but one of them remembered 765 00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:15,276 that this particular wine was the one 766 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,583 that lit the flame for me, and held it back from the sale. 767 00:37:17,626 --> 00:37:20,020 - Fantastic. - which was so nice of them. 768 00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:24,416 - I mean honestly, I can't imagine having my first bottle 769 00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:27,201 of wine that changes me being a Burgundy. 770 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,508 You can't even afford it today. 771 00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,989 - What's the Vogue Amoureuses '59 worth? 772 00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:34,077 It's priceless. 773 00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:36,079 I mean, if there was a dollar there 774 00:37:36,123 --> 00:37:40,214 it probably would be $10,000 maybe. 775 00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:42,303 - Well, it's certainly a relic, that's for sure. 776 00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:43,739 [laughing] 777 00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,872 - Just like me, a relic. 778 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:50,137 - What I loved about this wine when I tasted it, 779 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:52,008 when I first tasted, had it in the glass. 780 00:37:52,052 --> 00:37:55,098 Well A, it was a million times better 781 00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:56,883 than student plonk, obviously. 782 00:37:56,926 --> 00:37:58,493 [laughing] 783 00:37:58,537 --> 00:38:00,190 But it wasn't ridiculously 784 00:38:00,234 --> 00:38:02,323 expensive in those day, I mean, the price difference 785 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:04,107 between the top and the bottom 786 00:38:04,151 --> 00:38:07,850 of a wine list wasn't nearly as great as it is today, 787 00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:12,899 but it was the perfume mainly, just the haunting perfume. 788 00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:15,423 You're doing so well. 789 00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:17,643 I'm so glad I don't have to do this. 790 00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:20,080 [light music] 791 00:38:21,821 --> 00:38:23,039 - [Steven] God, what a color. 792 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:24,606 - It is a marvelous color, isn't it? 793 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:25,781 - [Nick] It's amazing. 794 00:38:26,913 --> 00:38:28,262 - What would you call that? 795 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,655 A sort of ruby. 796 00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:30,438 - Garnet. 797 00:38:30,482 --> 00:38:31,483 - Garnet. 798 00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:32,832 - Garnet, garnet, garnet. 799 00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:34,268 - I use garnet more for slightly bluer, 800 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,791 but it's a personal thing. 801 00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:37,880 Mm, it's rich, isn't it? 802 00:38:37,924 --> 00:38:40,579 Very, that is old fashioned Burgundy. 803 00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:42,624 - Spectacular. 804 00:38:42,668 --> 00:38:44,017 - [Steven] But almost, it's floral. 805 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,235 You've got wildflowers. 806 00:38:45,279 --> 00:38:47,542 There's almost a touch of roses there. 807 00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:48,804 - [Jancis] It is. 808 00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:49,675 There is, isn't there? - Dry roses, huh? 809 00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:51,285 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. 810 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:52,634 - You know what fascinates me about this bottle? 811 00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:54,419 Is that usually when wines get older like this, 812 00:38:54,462 --> 00:38:57,247 they tend to become similar as they age, 813 00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:59,032 but this is still Pinot Noir. 814 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:02,470 It still completely has the character that you expect 815 00:39:02,514 --> 00:39:04,994 when you open something spectacular from Burgundy. 816 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:08,215 - So today, Pinot Noir is kind of like 817 00:39:08,258 --> 00:39:13,873 the most valuable and most appreciated variety. 818 00:39:13,916 --> 00:39:15,353 - It is worshiped 819 00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:18,138 because there's so much history associated with it. 820 00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:22,272 - Sometimes I think it's stingy and sour. 821 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:23,796 - My favorite grape on earth is Pinot Noir. 822 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,972 - Pinot Noir is like a bad boyfriend, 823 00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:27,147 but you keep going back. 824 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:43,903 - Then, let's go back into the New World. 825 00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:44,773 I think maybe Oregon 826 00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:49,735 de-stemmed. [light music] 827 00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,261 Then, we have Larry Stone's new project Lingua Franca. 828 00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:55,784 Larry Stone's a Master Sommelier. 829 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:57,873 He was Rajat Parr's mentor. 830 00:39:57,917 --> 00:40:00,615 Incredibly respected and even though it's new, 831 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,704 I think it's already becoming 832 00:40:02,748 --> 00:40:04,271 one of the greatest spots in Oregon. 833 00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:05,533 - [Arvid] I think wine number three 834 00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:06,882 relates to wine number two a lot. 835 00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:11,409 Like it's the same kind of palate of aromas. 836 00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:12,627 - I'm only bothered by the fact 837 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,281 that it smells like a funeral home, 838 00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:16,152 because it's like floral and bitter. 839 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:17,371 [laughing] 840 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:19,155 I know, it sounds bad but I'm just like, 841 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:20,374 I keep going back and it's like-- 842 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,767 - Can I quote you on this one? [laughing] 843 00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:23,246 - Yeah I mean, I'm sure they will, but it's like-- 844 00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:24,378 - I think it says that on the back label, actually. 845 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,032 [laughing] 846 00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:27,903 - It's interesting to see a wine that has been worked on 847 00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:29,688 to get very specific aromatics, 848 00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:31,733 where the structure is not yet here. 849 00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:33,822 There is a disconnect between the two. 850 00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:35,345 - It's more distinct, as well. 851 00:40:35,389 --> 00:40:38,610 - I don't know that I agree that's a worked on aspect. 852 00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:40,568 I think of this as like a less of a perfect wine, 853 00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:43,310 but I don't know, it resonates with me more for some reason. 854 00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,181 - Let's go on four. - Let's go on four. 855 00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:46,139 - [Dustin] On to four. 856 00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:47,357 - Let's go to my country. 857 00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:48,576 [laughing] 858 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:49,403 - I don't know. 859 00:40:51,013 --> 00:40:52,580 I'd be really careful with those kind of statements. 860 00:40:52,624 --> 00:40:55,278 - Oh, come on. - I'm just saying, my country. 861 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:56,410 No, it's funny. 862 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,890 - Which my country now? - It's amazing. 863 00:40:57,933 --> 00:41:00,196 - I've been in freaking New York for 10 years now. 864 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,373 - Well, you can claim that-- [laughing] 865 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:04,418 - [Sabato] New York's not a country by the way. 866 00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,245 - It's this country. 867 00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:06,420 [laughing] 868 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,857 [light music] 869 00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:11,338 - Let's do this next, so the By Farr. 870 00:41:18,345 --> 00:41:21,391 By Farr is the name of this particular winery. 871 00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:23,306 They're in an area called Geelong. 872 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:25,961 That's a limestone spot in Victoria, Australia 873 00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:29,399 and I think the wine just screams like, 874 00:41:29,443 --> 00:41:33,665 fresh, elegant, finessed, aromatic. 875 00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:35,536 You know, leaning on Burgundy. 876 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,233 - No, she thinks it's French. 877 00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:38,800 - I don't think it's either. 878 00:41:38,844 --> 00:41:41,020 - That's very By Farr. - Yeah, that makes sense. 879 00:41:41,063 --> 00:41:43,849 - Very By Farr. - That makes great sense. 880 00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:45,546 - [Sabato] Limestone in Geelong, Australia. 881 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,548 - But it's very vegetable. - But it's very vegetable. 882 00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:48,854 - Very vegetable. 883 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:50,029 That's what it makes me think of. 884 00:41:50,072 --> 00:41:51,378 - Like a whole cluster. - That's why, 885 00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:53,380 that's it's very By Farr. - Yeah. 886 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,819 - I just need to stop you guys for a second. 887 00:41:57,863 --> 00:41:59,299 He just called the wine. 888 00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:02,258 Not just that it's Pinot Noir, 889 00:42:02,302 --> 00:42:05,392 that it's Australian, that it's from Victoria, 890 00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:08,787 but the actual bottle of wine from the producer. 891 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:11,616 - Let's reel it in instead of trying to guess what it is, 892 00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:14,009 what are your thoughts on the wine? 893 00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:15,663 - I mean, it sticks out in this whole lineup. 894 00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,273 It definitely sticks out. 895 00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:18,753 There's a couple of things, it's extreme in many directions. 896 00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:21,016 - [Michael] It's a strong philosophy of wine making. 897 00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,583 - [Dustin] Say it again. 898 00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:23,758 - It's a very strong philosophy of wine making in this wine, 899 00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:25,020 whole cluster. 900 00:42:25,064 --> 00:42:26,413 - Whole cluster all the way through. 901 00:42:26,456 --> 00:42:28,589 - But there's multiple things, like it's turbid. 902 00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:31,723 At least my glass, it's turbid, it's whole cluster, 903 00:42:31,766 --> 00:42:36,162 it's very intense in all aspects. 904 00:42:36,205 --> 00:42:37,467 - Everything's on. 905 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:39,165 I wrote, first got everything intense. 906 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:40,949 It's just like, woo! - You really tell though. 907 00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,255 - And a bit wild. 908 00:42:42,298 --> 00:42:44,431 - I like it, I like the wild character of it. 909 00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:46,302 - Yeah, it's not afraid of a point of view with that, 910 00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:49,567 and saying hey, here's what we're trying to be, 911 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:52,395 but I do think, you know, that was one that stood out to me 912 00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:54,484 as being very off the charts 913 00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:56,138 with compared to the other ones. 914 00:42:56,182 --> 00:42:57,662 - At least with this one, we're either getting drunk, 915 00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,315 or it's a wine we have a lot to talk about. 916 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:00,708 - Yeah. - Well exactly. 917 00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:01,840 - [Sabato] Or you just get drunk and talk a lot. 918 00:43:01,883 --> 00:43:03,493 - Yes. - Interestingly, I like it. 919 00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:04,756 I like I a lot. - Maybe it's polarizing. 920 00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:05,800 - No, this is great, this is exactly what-- 921 00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:06,888 - It's supposed to be polarizing. 922 00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:07,802 - It makes a lot of sense, though 923 00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:09,412 'cause I feel like the style, 924 00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:11,937 it's a very heart forward wine, and I mean it's exactly 925 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,460 like what we're talking about. - I like that word. 926 00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:14,722 - But this would also be one that I think if you know, 927 00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,332 Michael loves this, he puts it on the list. 928 00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:18,073 How many people can he make a convert 929 00:43:18,117 --> 00:43:19,335 out of in the dining room? 930 00:43:19,379 --> 00:43:20,859 Like this is, if you put one on there 931 00:43:20,902 --> 00:43:22,469 and you flesh out a list, 932 00:43:22,512 --> 00:43:24,384 but if you put a whole list together of these then, 933 00:43:24,427 --> 00:43:26,125 of this style of wine, 934 00:43:26,168 --> 00:43:28,214 that's when I think it gets a little bit too much. 935 00:43:28,257 --> 00:43:29,824 - I like your comment about savory though, 936 00:43:29,868 --> 00:43:32,435 and like that wine doesn't have to be fruity. 937 00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:33,611 It doesn't only have to be 938 00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:37,702 like this fruit thing or earth thing. 939 00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:41,183 I mean savory is a good quality to have in a wine with food. 940 00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:42,532 I mean, think about that. 941 00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:44,404 - Wine is a plant first. - Right. 942 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:47,450 - And then it's a fruit, so I'm kind of tired of wines 943 00:43:47,494 --> 00:43:49,627 that just show one side or the other. 944 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:51,019 It's great to have both. 945 00:43:51,063 --> 00:43:51,933 - Well, you know what? 946 00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:53,195 That's always a problem. 947 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,675 What we sommeliers like sometimes 948 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,069 is not what the consumer likes. 949 00:43:57,112 --> 00:43:59,549 What we look on challenges, and savoriness, 950 00:43:59,593 --> 00:44:02,770 and all this high acid components, typically, 951 00:44:02,814 --> 00:44:04,424 and again, this sounds like negative 952 00:44:04,467 --> 00:44:06,905 but it's not meant that way, the consumer doesn't like. 953 00:44:06,948 --> 00:44:07,819 - Yet, yet, yet. 954 00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:09,168 - They want more smoother wines. 955 00:44:09,211 --> 00:44:10,473 Yeah no, but it's an evolving thing. 956 00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:12,040 - [Arvid] You have to recalibrate yourself 957 00:44:12,084 --> 00:44:13,520 once every few months, you gotta like-- 958 00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:16,305 - But you also have to be an advocate for the guest. 959 00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:17,611 - But if you pour this by the, 960 00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,178 if this was your by the glass Pinot Noir-- 961 00:44:19,221 --> 00:44:20,179 - [Laura] If it was your only Pinot Noir that you have-- 962 00:44:20,222 --> 00:44:21,789 - Like, you're fired. [laughing] 963 00:44:21,833 --> 00:44:25,140 [light music] 964 00:44:25,184 --> 00:44:27,577 - Putting together a successful restaurant wine list 965 00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:29,536 is incredibly hard. 966 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:32,757 You have to consider the business part first, 967 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,106 which is you can't just go out 968 00:44:34,149 --> 00:44:35,977 and buy every single bottle of wine 969 00:44:36,021 --> 00:44:38,588 so you can have the biggest wine list. 970 00:44:38,632 --> 00:44:40,939 I mean, really curating a wine list is like, 971 00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:43,550 you have to have a lot of fucking talent. 972 00:44:51,036 --> 00:44:53,647 - I picked this wine today because the '68 Ridge 973 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:57,172 to me is one of the great wines from the naissance 974 00:44:57,216 --> 00:45:01,133 of the super premium California wine industry. 975 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:02,395 This wine was actually made 976 00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:03,831 not by Paul Draper, by Dave Bennion. 977 00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,487 Dave was a very, very good friend of mine. 978 00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:08,662 I had dinner with him on Friday night 979 00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:09,837 before he was killed in a car accident, 980 00:45:09,881 --> 00:45:11,883 with he and his wife Fran, 981 00:45:11,926 --> 00:45:13,406 I still miss him today. - That was '88, right? 982 00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:14,189 - '88, yes. 983 00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:15,887 It was sad, sad day. 984 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:17,889 So we're gonna drink something today 985 00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:19,238 that is dear to my heart, 986 00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:20,761 because you really see the beginning. 987 00:45:20,805 --> 00:45:23,416 I mean, who in their lifetime gets to see the beginning? 988 00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:29,248 [classical music] [waves crashing] 989 00:45:29,291 --> 00:45:30,728 - [Narrator] Fred was sommelier 990 00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:34,340 at one of the most legendary restaurants in America, 991 00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:36,646 the Sardine Factory in Monterey, California. 992 00:45:37,604 --> 00:45:39,780 - Our wine list was fantastic at the time. 993 00:45:39,824 --> 00:45:42,348 It was all French and Italian, European, 994 00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:44,611 and the last page in those days, 995 00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:46,613 you're talking about early '60s, '70s. 996 00:45:46,656 --> 00:45:48,484 The last page were American wines. 997 00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:52,750 - [Fred] Now that restaurant was, it was crazy. 998 00:45:52,793 --> 00:45:55,927 It was fine dining, and that was kind of a new thing for, 999 00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:57,450 I mean there was a few restaurants in Monterey, 1000 00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,539 but then and Cannery Row started booming, 1001 00:45:59,582 --> 00:46:00,758 and Ted calls me up and he says, 1002 00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:02,281 "I wanna show you something." 1003 00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:04,109 He takes me on this beautiful wine cellar underground. 1004 00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:06,111 Gorgeous, huge, empty. 1005 00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:07,808 Why don't you come take this job, come back and fill it up, 1006 00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:10,811 and build me the greatest wine cellar in America? 1007 00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:12,639 Pretty good challenge. 1008 00:46:12,682 --> 00:46:16,425 - So here was this guy, big guy. [laughs] 1009 00:46:16,469 --> 00:46:19,167 That was just championing fine wine 1010 00:46:19,211 --> 00:46:21,213 and putting it on his list. 1011 00:46:21,256 --> 00:46:23,737 Nobody else that I knew of 1012 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,826 in this part of the country was doing. 1013 00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:28,350 - We were the first restaurants in the world. 1014 00:46:28,394 --> 00:46:34,182 We took the wines and incorporated the Cabernets 1015 00:46:34,226 --> 00:46:35,488 with the Cabernets in Europe. 1016 00:46:35,531 --> 00:46:37,142 We just put 'em on the same page, 1017 00:46:37,185 --> 00:46:39,622 the French and the American, and the equivalent. 1018 00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:42,669 Well, the wine people who used to do the wine list 1019 00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:45,324 said they'd laugh us out of the business. 1020 00:46:45,367 --> 00:46:46,804 I said, "Really?" 1021 00:46:46,847 --> 00:46:48,544 I said, "Well, let 'em laugh us out of the business." 1022 00:46:48,588 --> 00:46:50,677 And it became a huge success. 1023 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,332 [light music] 1024 00:46:55,595 --> 00:46:57,162 - [Man] He built one of the deepest 1025 00:46:57,205 --> 00:46:59,991 and most complex wine lists that this country's ever seen. 1026 00:47:00,034 --> 00:47:03,124 - And of course we won the Wine Spectator Awards, 1027 00:47:03,168 --> 00:47:05,735 and we got all kinds of recognition under his leadership. 1028 00:47:05,779 --> 00:47:09,478 - [Man] The Wine Spectator Grand Award is the brass ring 1029 00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:13,047 that wine savvy restaurateurs are going for. 1030 00:47:13,091 --> 00:47:15,615 - There was a lot of competition. 1031 00:47:15,658 --> 00:47:17,573 Everybody wanted to be on that cover every year. 1032 00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:19,184 - In order to get a Grand Award, 1033 00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:23,449 you have to arguably have 1034 00:47:23,492 --> 00:47:26,626 the best example of a particular region 1035 00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:29,281 in your wine list, in the world. 1036 00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:31,500 - [Fred] We made it every year during my tenure. 1037 00:47:31,544 --> 00:47:33,502 - There are restaurateurs that swear by the fact 1038 00:47:33,546 --> 00:47:37,332 that their wine profits doubled the year that they got it. 1039 00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:40,596 - [Fred] You had to constantly keep rethinking, rechanging, 1040 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,816 and moving things around, acquiring new things. 1041 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,079 Keeping an eye on new regions that might be coming along 1042 00:47:45,123 --> 00:47:46,776 that you wanna be there first. 1043 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:47,865 - [Jay] Restaurant owners began 1044 00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:52,086 to look at wine as a profit center, 1045 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:54,132 and one of the reasons that you came to a restaurant, 1046 00:47:54,175 --> 00:47:57,875 instead of just something that helped along with the menu. 1047 00:47:57,918 --> 00:47:59,093 - He'd be always be able 1048 00:47:59,137 --> 00:48:00,834 to get a deal on some of these wines, 1049 00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:04,055 and, you know, getting wines at that particular time, 1050 00:48:04,098 --> 00:48:05,360 you were able to buy some 1051 00:48:05,404 --> 00:48:07,928 very inexpensively that became very expensive. 1052 00:48:07,972 --> 00:48:09,974 - He'd go to Europe a couple of times, 1053 00:48:10,017 --> 00:48:12,715 then he'd come back and I'd get these huge bills, you know, 1054 00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:14,021 you wanna strangle him. [laughing] 1055 00:48:14,065 --> 00:48:15,762 I'd say, "Freddy, what are we doing? 1056 00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:18,069 "We have a wine museum here or do we have a restaurant?" 1057 00:48:18,112 --> 00:48:20,723 One time he bought a case in Kentfield, 1058 00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:21,986 a couple thousand dollars. 1059 00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:24,205 I said, "Freddy, what the heck are you doing?" 1060 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:28,122 He said, "Last night I just a bottle for 700 or 800 bucks." 1061 00:48:28,166 --> 00:48:30,777 I said, "Well good Freddy, why didn't you buy two cases?" 1062 00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:31,691 [laughing] 1063 00:48:31,734 --> 00:48:32,953 - I wanna be like Fred Dame. 1064 00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:34,781 I wanna have that wine list that's like, 1065 00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:37,305 maybe not as deep 'cause I pay the bills, 1066 00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:39,264 but like Sardine Factory, you know? 1067 00:48:40,961 --> 00:48:42,528 - So I think I'm gonna pull this cork. 1068 00:48:42,571 --> 00:48:44,095 What do you guys think? - I think you should, yes. 1069 00:48:44,138 --> 00:48:46,880 And I love these California Cabernets 1070 00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:51,754 from the era before they all went mad on high alcohol and-- 1071 00:48:51,798 --> 00:48:53,147 - What's the alcohol on this wine? 1072 00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:56,194 - Didn't I look, is it 12.9? - 12.7. 1073 00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:57,891 - 12.7, isn't that brilliant? [laughing] 1074 00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:59,197 - [Fred] Those were the days. 1075 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,676 - [Steven] But they didn't get into that act 1076 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,592 until the mid '80s. - Nice and clean. 1077 00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,943 - '90s even - Yeah '90s, yeah. 1078 00:49:07,161 --> 00:49:09,424 - Back in 1968, Cabernet Sauvignon 1079 00:49:09,468 --> 00:49:11,731 was an experiment outside of Bordeaux. 1080 00:49:11,774 --> 00:49:14,864 Today, it's the world's most planted grape. 1081 00:49:14,908 --> 00:49:17,041 - Give me, give me a moment. 1082 00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:19,565 - [Jancis] This is a special moment for Mr. Dame. 1083 00:49:19,608 --> 00:49:20,827 We have to-- 1084 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:22,133 - The tannin is incredible on this. 1085 00:49:22,176 --> 00:49:23,177 - [Jancis] It is, it's always been, hasn't it? 1086 00:49:23,221 --> 00:49:24,265 It's always been-- 1087 00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,919 - I mean, that's been a hallmark, 1088 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,181 particularly from that low alcohol. 1089 00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:30,576 - What we've seen I would say in California, 1090 00:49:30,619 --> 00:49:35,624 is that it's slightly coming back to more like this style. 1091 00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:42,327 Having gone kind of massively alcoholic, and ripe and sweet. 1092 00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:45,852 And there are more and more producers 1093 00:49:45,895 --> 00:49:47,288 aiming for a style like this, 1094 00:49:47,332 --> 00:49:50,465 but not everyone because they can sell 1095 00:49:50,509 --> 00:49:52,685 bottles of Cult Cabernet hand over fist 1096 00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:56,689 in your part of the world at high prices. 1097 00:49:56,732 --> 00:50:00,736 - I'm gonna lay this one on the critics. 1098 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:01,955 [laughing] 1099 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:03,478 - Pas moi. 1100 00:50:03,522 --> 00:50:06,786 - Exactly, because I think the scoring system, 1101 00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:08,831 and not that you weren't doing the best you could 1102 00:50:08,875 --> 00:50:10,877 within the system you were handed, 1103 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,925 but it created a generation of collectors and consumers 1104 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,406 that stopped thinking on their own. 1105 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:19,886 - [Narrator] Basically starting like the early '90s 1106 00:50:19,929 --> 00:50:21,757 is where you really started to see the impact of this, 1107 00:50:21,801 --> 00:50:23,890 is the Parkerization of wine. 1108 00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:25,544 [light music] 1109 00:50:25,587 --> 00:50:26,980 - I was the first person to write 1110 00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:29,113 a profile of Robert Parker in Britain. 1111 00:50:29,156 --> 00:50:30,592 We were good friends. 1112 00:50:30,636 --> 00:50:32,986 He came to my house for dinner, 1113 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,902 I went to his house for dinner, I love his wife. 1114 00:50:37,077 --> 00:50:38,383 - Robert Parker is probably 1115 00:50:38,426 --> 00:50:41,603 the first modern day wine critic, really. 1116 00:50:41,647 --> 00:50:43,127 He started a publication 1117 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:46,347 back in 1978 called The Wine Advocate, 1118 00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:50,873 and he developed a very unique system 1119 00:50:50,917 --> 00:50:54,094 of rating wines, the 100 point system. 1120 00:50:54,138 --> 00:50:57,880 - [Narrator] His intention for creating the 100 point system 1121 00:50:57,924 --> 00:51:02,276 as broad stroke and subjective as it may be, 1122 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,931 was to say to people, here are great wineries 1123 00:51:04,974 --> 00:51:06,150 that are doing things right. 1124 00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:07,847 - You could argue that it's not his fault 1125 00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:10,328 that it became so influential. 1126 00:51:10,371 --> 00:51:14,506 It is a shame that I think his taste 1127 00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:18,075 came to dominate wine production around the world. 1128 00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:19,467 - [Man] Parker likes big wines. 1129 00:51:19,511 --> 00:51:21,687 Powerful, steakhouse wines, 1130 00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:23,297 lots of structure, lots of tannin. 1131 00:51:23,341 --> 00:51:25,343 - [Man] Wineries started making wines 1132 00:51:25,386 --> 00:51:27,127 so they could get those 100 point scores, 1133 00:51:27,171 --> 00:51:28,215 and sell a crap ton of it. 1134 00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:31,088 - It just seems crazy to have 1135 00:51:31,131 --> 00:51:36,005 this whole giant world of wine dictated by one palate. 1136 00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:39,661 - You know, it's no secret that Bob really would come out 1137 00:51:39,705 --> 00:51:44,057 with some very positive views on riper styles of wine, 1138 00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:47,582 but that is not to say that that was the only style of wine. 1139 00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:52,587 - If that man loves rich, oaky, high alcohol, 1140 00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:57,549 low tannin wines, he's entitled to that opinion. 1141 00:51:57,592 --> 00:51:59,942 - I don't agree with a lot of, with his taste. 1142 00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:02,945 He has very different taste in wine from mine, 1143 00:52:02,989 --> 00:52:04,077 but that's fine. 1144 00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:05,470 - You read a bunch of critics 1145 00:52:05,513 --> 00:52:08,429 and you find the critic you agree with, 1146 00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:10,475 and then you stick with what they say. 1147 00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:16,698 - In the early '70s, 1148 00:52:16,742 --> 00:52:19,179 California was trying the hardest it damn well could 1149 00:52:19,223 --> 00:52:21,703 and making wines from the vineyard, 1150 00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:27,361 and in the early 2000s, they were resting on their laurels. 1151 00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:28,580 In the early '70s, 1152 00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:29,885 France was resting entirely on its laurels 1153 00:52:29,929 --> 00:52:31,626 basically around the entire world, 1154 00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:33,367 and by the 2000s came along, 1155 00:52:33,411 --> 00:52:36,022 they were making the best wine they possibly could, 1156 00:52:36,065 --> 00:52:38,329 and I think it's now come to an equal position. 1157 00:52:38,372 --> 00:52:40,766 Everyone is making the best wine they possibly can. 1158 00:52:40,809 --> 00:52:42,028 - Or else. 1159 00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:43,464 - Or else they don't sell it. [laughing] 1160 00:52:43,508 --> 00:52:45,640 - They fall out of the race. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1161 00:52:45,684 --> 00:52:46,554 - Yeah. 1162 00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:47,251 - And boy do you fall out fast. 1163 00:52:47,294 --> 00:52:48,861 - Yeah. 1164 00:52:48,904 --> 00:52:51,385 - You make one mistake today, everybody's on you. 1165 00:52:51,429 --> 00:52:54,040 [light music] 1166 00:53:06,879 --> 00:53:08,185 - [Dustin] Also from Burgundy, 1167 00:53:08,228 --> 00:53:10,535 but from the Cote de Nuits is Domaine Bachelet. 1168 00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:12,014 Bachelet is in Gevrey-Chambertin. 1169 00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:14,843 Bachelet is really one of the greats from Burgundy. 1170 00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:20,588 - That was very fruity for me. - Yep. 1171 00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:22,373 - This was the first one that took me to the New World. 1172 00:53:22,416 --> 00:53:24,113 This is one back to the by the glass, 1173 00:53:24,157 --> 00:53:25,332 if you poured this by the glass 1174 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:26,333 I think you'd make a lot of people happy. 1175 00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:27,552 - You'd make a lot of money. 1176 00:53:27,595 --> 00:53:29,118 - Yeah well, it depends how much it costs. 1177 00:53:29,162 --> 00:53:31,338 It tasted well made and I think almost like 1178 00:53:32,861 --> 00:53:34,559 for lack of a better word, like shinier than the others. 1179 00:53:34,602 --> 00:53:35,821 Like it was more polished up. 1180 00:53:35,864 --> 00:53:37,214 - I would buy this. - Yeah. 1181 00:53:37,257 --> 00:53:39,955 - It's my test of like whether it's a good wine. 1182 00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:41,522 - But the fruit's really perfect. 1183 00:53:41,566 --> 00:53:44,177 It's really sweet, it's really forward in the glass. 1184 00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:48,268 - And then Domaine de la Cote. 1185 00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:50,966 [light music] 1186 00:53:57,538 --> 00:54:01,977 Then from California, wanted to showcase Domaine de la Cote. 1187 00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:05,851 Domaine de la Cote is run by Rajat Parr in Santa Barbara. 1188 00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:07,983 - This is a fun one 'cause I really did not like this 1189 00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,638 when I just went through it quickly, 1190 00:54:10,682 --> 00:54:12,684 and it might be the fact that it ended up last in the lineup 1191 00:54:12,727 --> 00:54:15,991 and it felt a little like simple, light. 1192 00:54:16,035 --> 00:54:20,474 Going back to it, I don't hate it at all anymore. 1193 00:54:20,518 --> 00:54:22,084 - I mean talk about the veg and the fruit, 1194 00:54:22,128 --> 00:54:24,130 I think this one has a great-- - Everything. 1195 00:54:24,173 --> 00:54:26,132 - A great relationship between the two 1196 00:54:26,175 --> 00:54:28,874 that are really harmonious compared to some of the others. 1197 00:54:28,917 --> 00:54:30,267 It's almost like Goldilocks. 1198 00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:31,833 Like this one was too much, this was too little, 1199 00:54:31,877 --> 00:54:34,009 then this one's like just right in that sense. 1200 00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:37,186 - And look, it is the one which has so far the most terroir. 1201 00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:38,579 - My first note was that it still has 1202 00:54:38,623 --> 00:54:40,407 some of that sort of what I call fake elegance. 1203 00:54:40,451 --> 00:54:41,756 - Pretty and confected. - Like someone was really 1204 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,801 trying to make an elegant-- - Debutante. 1205 00:54:42,844 --> 00:54:45,499 - Yeah. - Debutante. [laughs] 1206 00:54:45,543 --> 00:54:49,111 - I saw it and I don't know, I might, I'll need more. 1207 00:54:49,155 --> 00:54:50,722 I need another glass of this wine. 1208 00:54:50,765 --> 00:54:53,159 [light music] 1209 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:01,950 - Alright guys, so I'm gonna come around 1210 00:55:01,994 --> 00:55:03,648 and just collect your sheets. 1211 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,085 Alright. 1212 00:55:07,086 --> 00:55:08,348 Thank you. 1213 00:55:08,392 --> 00:55:09,958 - How do we know if Russia interfered 1214 00:55:10,002 --> 00:55:12,483 with this tasting today? [laughing] 1215 00:55:14,876 --> 00:55:16,922 - So, let's see here. 1216 00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:20,578 We had ended up having for top picks. 1217 00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,754 - There are three number two. - Three number twos. 1218 00:55:22,797 --> 00:55:24,625 - And two number sixes. - Two number sixes. 1219 00:55:24,669 --> 00:55:26,540 A four, and a five. 1220 00:55:26,584 --> 00:55:28,890 - Nine plus four. - Plus one, 14. 1221 00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:31,850 - [Michael] This is where the Russians get involved. 1222 00:55:31,893 --> 00:55:32,938 - [Pascaline] Attention. 1223 00:55:34,113 --> 00:55:35,201 - Two. - I heard a Russian accent 1224 00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:36,768 come out earlier. 1225 00:55:36,811 --> 00:55:38,160 I was like, I don't know if she should be tallying this up. 1226 00:55:38,204 --> 00:55:40,075 - Five, you agree? - Yeah. 1227 00:55:41,816 --> 00:55:44,602 - Three and seven. - Huh! 1228 00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:45,864 - Yeah. - Okay. 1229 00:55:46,865 --> 00:55:48,127 - 14, exactly. - Wow. 1230 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,302 - Wow. - Thank you. 1231 00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,435 - Oh wow. - That's the exercise. 1232 00:55:51,478 --> 00:55:53,045 - 14 and 14. - Arvid cheated. 1233 00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:56,657 - It's tied, it's tied. - Two and six tied. 1234 00:55:56,701 --> 00:55:59,007 [light music] 1235 00:55:59,051 --> 00:56:00,531 - You know, the idea for the tasting was 1236 00:56:00,574 --> 00:56:03,229 that basically great Pinot Noir can come from anywhere. 1237 00:56:03,272 --> 00:56:06,188 I'm really excited to see what you guys think here 1238 00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:08,190 after going through this. 1239 00:56:08,234 --> 00:56:09,714 Okay, so the way we'll do this. 1240 00:56:09,757 --> 00:56:10,541 We're gonna go three, two, one 1241 00:56:11,803 --> 00:56:14,240 and then we'll have the others afterwards. 1242 00:56:14,283 --> 00:56:17,548 Alright so, in third place taking a bronze medal. 1243 00:56:17,591 --> 00:56:19,158 - Our third favorite. - It's number five. 1244 00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:23,945 - Number five, which is Bachelet Corbeaux '15. 1245 00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:26,121 [clapping] 1246 00:56:26,165 --> 00:56:28,210 - That's a little too expensive for by the glass. 1247 00:56:28,254 --> 00:56:30,256 [laughing] 1248 00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:33,041 I don't know, maybe about the Danny Meyer group, but... 1249 00:56:33,085 --> 00:56:34,216 [laughing] 1250 00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:35,435 - Let's keep in mind 1251 00:56:35,479 --> 00:56:38,090 that the next two wines had a tie score. 1252 00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:39,352 - Yes. 1253 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:40,614 - But we're gonna pull it out in the order 1254 00:56:40,658 --> 00:56:44,139 that we've decided to do this here, to rank them. 1255 00:56:44,183 --> 00:56:45,532 So the next one. 1256 00:56:45,576 --> 00:56:46,141 - That one's gonna be tight. - I'm stressed out. 1257 00:56:46,185 --> 00:56:47,621 I'm stressed out. 1258 00:56:50,494 --> 00:56:53,584 - Is Domaine de la Cote. - Oh. 1259 00:56:54,846 --> 00:56:56,761 - Bloom's Field. - Interessante. 1260 00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:59,285 - This was six, yeah. - That was number six. 1261 00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:00,939 [laughing] 1262 00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:02,201 - Wow. - And then... 1263 00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:05,770 [all cheer] 1264 00:57:05,813 --> 00:57:07,380 - I feel pretty solid about this. 1265 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:11,253 - That's my Burgundy. - Alright, we'll take it. 1266 00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:12,429 Saved us the embarrassment. 1267 00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:14,561 - That's says something, huh? 1268 00:57:14,605 --> 00:57:18,347 [light instrumental music] 1269 00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:21,829 - So this is I think very, 1270 00:57:21,873 --> 00:57:23,309 very telling. - That's a nice, 1271 00:57:23,352 --> 00:57:24,615 organized setup. - It's really interesting. 1272 00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:26,138 - That says something how good that wine is. 1273 00:57:26,181 --> 00:57:29,402 - I thought it was Chambordesque, the Volnay. 1274 00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,449 - Yeah, that one was freakin' great. 1275 00:57:32,492 --> 00:57:33,754 [laughing] 1276 00:57:33,798 --> 00:57:38,803 - Well so, you know, these two wines were, 1277 00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:41,283 you know, they tied. - Yeah. 1278 00:57:41,327 --> 00:57:43,460 - It's really cool. - That's so cool. 1279 00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:51,206 - [Man] In the town of Volnay, 1280 00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,340 to me there's very few producers 1281 00:57:54,383 --> 00:57:56,777 that can compete with Marquis d'Angerville. 1282 00:57:56,821 --> 00:57:59,432 [light music] 1283 00:58:03,784 --> 00:58:07,701 - The person who has Domaine Marquis d'Angerville 1284 00:58:07,745 --> 00:58:09,007 in d'Angerville, 1285 00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:13,315 he's taken on an epic, epic estate, 1286 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,362 and they are some of the most compelling wines in the world. 1287 00:58:16,405 --> 00:58:18,712 - This Domaine has been in my family for 200 years. 1288 00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:22,194 I'm only the sixth generation running it. 1289 00:58:22,237 --> 00:58:24,196 - Some of the vessels they use for fermentation, 1290 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,764 these large vats are hundreds, and hundreds of years. 1291 00:58:26,807 --> 00:58:29,070 They have no idea how far they go back. 1292 00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,942 So we're talking about a time honored tradition 1293 00:58:30,985 --> 00:58:32,117 at that winery. 1294 00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:36,338 - For me my favorite, favorite, favorite region, 1295 00:58:36,382 --> 00:58:38,819 favorite little village in Burgundy for sure. 1296 00:58:41,735 --> 00:58:46,131 - I think I met Raj about seven, eight years ago. 1297 00:58:46,174 --> 00:58:48,263 Every time he comes to taste here, 1298 00:58:48,307 --> 00:58:51,266 I learn something from him on my own wines. 1299 00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:54,443 [suspenseful music] 1300 00:58:54,487 --> 00:58:57,577 [metal clanking] 1301 00:58:57,621 --> 00:59:00,928 - Since I was 10-years-old, I wanted to be a chef. 1302 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:05,498 I came from India. 1303 00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:06,847 My native language was Hindi, 1304 00:59:06,891 --> 00:59:09,850 but in India English is a first language, 1305 00:59:09,894 --> 00:59:14,072 but definitely Hindi was, you know, what we speak at home. 1306 00:59:15,334 --> 00:59:20,295 I came to New York in '94 to cooking school, 1307 00:59:20,339 --> 00:59:23,298 to The Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York. 1308 00:59:23,342 --> 00:59:24,822 - [Narrator] He wanted to head west, 1309 00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:28,390 got a job at Rubicon under a Master Sommelier, 1310 00:59:28,434 --> 00:59:31,350 Larry Stone, and he got to learn under one 1311 00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:32,569 of the greatest wine tasters in the world. 1312 00:59:32,612 --> 00:59:34,571 - I had a six month visa, 1313 00:59:34,614 --> 00:59:37,138 so after six months I had to go back, 1314 00:59:37,182 --> 00:59:40,620 but luckily, Larry Stone decided to sponsor me 1315 00:59:40,664 --> 00:59:43,405 and that's the reason I'm still here today. 1316 00:59:43,449 --> 00:59:45,625 I consider myself as an American winemaker, 1317 00:59:45,669 --> 00:59:48,410 even though I'm from Indian origins. 1318 00:59:48,454 --> 00:59:49,977 - [Narrator] He's somebody who travels a lot 1319 00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:52,545 and tastes a lot and that's what the most important thing is 1320 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,373 to programing your taste and your experience 1321 00:59:54,416 --> 00:59:56,418 of what you know about the world. 1322 00:59:56,462 --> 00:59:58,464 - [Man] He has an encyclopedia 1323 00:59:58,507 --> 01:00:01,380 in his mind, in his nose, in his mouth. 1324 01:00:01,423 --> 01:00:04,949 - When I tasted Burgundy for the first time in '96, 1325 01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:06,254 I was like, "Wow." 1326 01:00:06,298 --> 01:00:07,560 So then I went there, 1327 01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,432 and I've been back every year since '96 to today. 1328 01:00:11,433 --> 01:00:13,348 I haven't worked in a restaurant in like 1329 01:00:13,392 --> 01:00:15,742 well over four years. 1330 01:00:15,786 --> 01:00:17,352 In fact, when I'm in a restaurant, 1331 01:00:17,396 --> 01:00:18,876 I get a little anxiety sometimes going like, 1332 01:00:18,919 --> 01:00:21,966 "Oh wow, I should do something." 1333 01:00:22,009 --> 01:00:23,532 But no, I don't wanna do anything 1334 01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:25,404 'cause that life is behind me now. 1335 01:00:25,447 --> 01:00:28,189 - [Narrator] It's like Michael Jordan switching to baseball. 1336 01:00:28,233 --> 01:00:31,497 You're one of the greatest sommeliers in the world, 1337 01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:33,847 and you decide to make a switch into wine making 1338 01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:35,327 and actually leave the floor? 1339 01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:36,415 It's a bold move. 1340 01:00:38,025 --> 01:00:41,812 - [Raj] I think the reason I kind of became involved 1341 01:00:41,855 --> 01:00:46,468 in making wine is basically here to satisfy a dream, 1342 01:00:46,512 --> 01:00:51,169 the thirst of finding a place, a new place in the new world, 1343 01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:53,519 where you can grow Pinot Noir. 1344 01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:56,261 - He's been on a mission to kind of tell this story, 1345 01:00:56,304 --> 01:00:57,436 and he's been a big believer 1346 01:00:57,479 --> 01:00:59,394 in Santa Barbara for a long time. 1347 01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:01,527 For his wines to perform at this high level like this, 1348 01:01:01,570 --> 01:01:02,963 with tasters like that, 1349 01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:06,140 and to be compared to some great Burgundy, 1350 01:01:06,184 --> 01:01:08,273 I think is phenomenal. 1351 01:01:08,316 --> 01:01:10,667 [light music] 1352 01:01:29,294 --> 01:01:31,905 - So this is the third wine of the afternoon, 1353 01:01:33,472 --> 01:01:37,563 and the wines of Jancis and Fred have been very emotional. 1354 01:01:37,606 --> 01:01:39,173 I think mine is probably the most emotional 1355 01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:42,481 because I was 13 years and four months old 1356 01:01:42,524 --> 01:01:44,701 when I first tasted this wine, 1357 01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:48,530 and it's a Cockburn's 1908 Port. 1358 01:01:51,446 --> 01:01:52,883 My grandfather turned to me and said, 1359 01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:55,668 "I think you're old enough for a glass of Port." 1360 01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:56,930 I took a taste. 1361 01:01:56,974 --> 01:02:00,107 It just knocked my socks off, and I said, 1362 01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:02,066 "Gosh grandpa, what's this?" 1363 01:02:02,109 --> 01:02:03,981 "Cockburn '08, my boy." 1364 01:02:04,024 --> 01:02:06,984 And at the time, like a lot of my colleagues, 1365 01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:08,681 I collected stamps, 1366 01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:11,728 and I was reading at school about history and geography, 1367 01:02:11,771 --> 01:02:14,513 and Cockburn's '08 had what stamps had. 1368 01:02:14,556 --> 01:02:17,037 It had a date, it had a country, it had a region, 1369 01:02:17,081 --> 01:02:19,561 and I began to, curious enough, 1370 01:02:19,605 --> 01:02:24,610 learn about wine through my lessons without ever tasting it. 1371 01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:27,439 Fred, if you could open that? 1372 01:02:27,482 --> 01:02:28,353 - [Fred] I think I can do that. 1373 01:02:28,396 --> 01:02:29,658 - [Steven] You've got the wine 1374 01:02:29,702 --> 01:02:31,225 which sent me into the wine trade. 1375 01:02:31,269 --> 01:02:33,967 - Steven is one of those wise men now 1376 01:02:34,011 --> 01:02:36,230 in the wine industry, in the wine world, 1377 01:02:36,274 --> 01:02:41,279 has become himself a winemaker in the United Kingdom. 1378 01:02:42,759 --> 01:02:44,543 - [Madeline] Steven Spurrier's making sparkling wines, 1379 01:02:44,586 --> 01:02:47,633 which technically speaking, it's the hardest thing to make. 1380 01:02:47,676 --> 01:02:52,333 - I think Bride Valley is a pretty brave enterprise, 1381 01:02:52,377 --> 01:02:55,772 because it's not by any means 1382 01:02:55,815 --> 01:03:00,689 a proven area for top quality sparkling wine. 1383 01:03:01,778 --> 01:03:02,822 - [Madeline] The cool side. 1384 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,432 He went to the western, in Dorset. 1385 01:03:04,476 --> 01:03:08,088 In Dorset, England it gets the whole wrath of the Atlantic, 1386 01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:11,439 so he gets a lot of rain, which reduces the yields. 1387 01:03:11,483 --> 01:03:14,965 Not a lot of fruit comes in, but if anyone can do it, 1388 01:03:15,008 --> 01:03:16,531 it's probably Spurrier. 1389 01:03:17,968 --> 01:03:19,621 - But it's farming. 1390 01:03:19,665 --> 01:03:24,365 I mean, I just sign the checks and I sell the stuff. 1391 01:03:24,409 --> 01:03:26,672 I don't understand farming, and farming annoys me 1392 01:03:26,715 --> 01:03:29,936 because farming doesn't work the way I want it to work. 1393 01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:32,286 - But being the other side of the table for once. 1394 01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:35,637 You're the seller instead of the buyer or the critic. 1395 01:03:35,681 --> 01:03:38,858 You're the person producing the stuff, which is different. 1396 01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:40,773 You're contending with things like weather 1397 01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:41,774 that you can't control. 1398 01:03:43,254 --> 01:03:44,995 Doing a vineyard's the most wildly stressful thing. 1399 01:03:45,038 --> 01:03:48,302 I get really upset when you meet nice old people, 1400 01:03:48,346 --> 01:03:50,696 and they're retiring and they've got some money set aside, 1401 01:03:50,739 --> 01:03:52,872 and they say, "Oh we've always dreamt of having a vineyard." 1402 01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:54,091 And I think, don't. 1403 01:03:54,134 --> 01:03:57,094 Just don't do it, don't bother. 1404 01:03:57,137 --> 01:03:59,313 - But, I'm very happy with the vineyard. 1405 01:03:59,357 --> 01:04:00,053 [cork pops] 1406 01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:02,751 [light music] 1407 01:04:06,886 --> 01:04:08,235 I think that's alright. 1408 01:04:08,279 --> 01:04:09,541 [Fred laughs] 1409 01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:11,369 - I'm hoping it's gonna be more than alright. 1410 01:04:11,412 --> 01:04:14,111 I hope it's gonna be a 20, oh a lovely color. 1411 01:04:14,154 --> 01:04:14,938 Thank you. 1412 01:04:16,678 --> 01:04:17,549 Hmm. 1413 01:04:17,592 --> 01:04:18,811 - I mean, it's fortified. 1414 01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,769 We have to admit this is not a table wine. 1415 01:04:20,813 --> 01:04:22,206 It's a fortified wine, 1416 01:04:22,249 --> 01:04:25,122 but it's a fortified wine which is 110-years-old, 1417 01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:27,341 and I don't see how anybody 1418 01:04:27,385 --> 01:04:29,561 could put more than 30 or 40 years on that. 1419 01:04:41,355 --> 01:04:42,574 - I'm just gonna let you two keep talking 1420 01:04:42,617 --> 01:04:44,750 because I'm really enjoying this. 1421 01:04:44,793 --> 01:04:46,317 [laughing] 1422 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,709 You know, you don't do this every day of your life. 1423 01:04:47,753 --> 01:04:48,754 What is it they said in Gladiator? 1424 01:04:48,797 --> 01:04:50,756 "Are you not entertained?" 1425 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,366 [laughing] 1426 01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:53,715 - It's a story in it, yeah. - It's perfect, it's flawless. 1427 01:04:53,759 --> 01:04:54,847 - It is wonderful. 1428 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,767 It's certainly very, very sweet obviously. 1429 01:05:01,810 --> 01:05:04,161 A little bit of orange peel. - Burnt orange. 1430 01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:06,685 - Yeah, but it's got an amazing freshness, as well. 1431 01:05:06,728 --> 01:05:09,993 One of those barky, spices. 1432 01:05:10,036 --> 01:05:12,691 It's not quite cinnamon, something else. 1433 01:05:13,953 --> 01:05:15,389 It's got spice. - A little nutmeg. 1434 01:05:15,433 --> 01:05:18,827 - Yes, maybe nutmeg. - This is butterscotch. 1435 01:05:18,871 --> 01:05:20,960 - But it's more subtle than butterscotch, don't you think? 1436 01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:23,876 - No, it's more vibrant than butterscotch. 1437 01:05:26,879 --> 01:05:28,837 - The fruit's intact here. - Yeah. 1438 01:05:28,881 --> 01:05:30,622 - You know, there's a freshness. 1439 01:05:30,665 --> 01:05:31,710 You're right. 1440 01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:33,451 You expect it to be, oh 1908, 1441 01:05:33,494 --> 01:05:34,669 it's gonna be really tired. - It's not. 1442 01:05:34,713 --> 01:05:36,323 - Like an old tonic. 1443 01:05:36,367 --> 01:05:37,324 Like some 40-year-old tonic or something, all tired out. 1444 01:05:37,368 --> 01:05:39,500 - No, it's revitalizing. - Yeah. 1445 01:05:43,852 --> 01:05:45,767 - This is one of the wines of the world 1446 01:05:45,811 --> 01:05:48,118 where you absolutely have to wait 1447 01:05:48,161 --> 01:05:50,772 for decades before it really shows itself. 1448 01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:53,688 - Yeah, I think Port as a category is declining 1449 01:05:53,732 --> 01:05:56,778 rather than growing. - Sadly. 1450 01:05:58,867 --> 01:06:00,478 - I told you, I can't think, 1451 01:06:00,521 --> 01:06:02,741 can't remember the last time I actually had a glass of Port. 1452 01:06:02,784 --> 01:06:05,091 - When I first started in wine in 2001, 1453 01:06:05,135 --> 01:06:09,269 people like loved their tawny Port or their vintage Port, 1454 01:06:09,313 --> 01:06:12,707 but now I think people are just in a rush. 1455 01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:16,276 - The idea of Port is not fashionable, yet again. 1456 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,713 - You're so faddy, you Americans, you know? 1457 01:06:18,757 --> 01:06:20,715 - Well no, what happened to Port, 1458 01:06:20,759 --> 01:06:22,717 we have a problem in the United States. 1459 01:06:22,761 --> 01:06:25,416 Not a problem, we have a reality 1460 01:06:25,459 --> 01:06:27,722 and that's that 95% of the wine consumed 1461 01:06:27,766 --> 01:06:29,724 in the United States of America is consumed 1462 01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:31,465 within eight hours of purchase. 1463 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,251 That is the reality of things. 1464 01:06:34,294 --> 01:06:36,731 So when you're talking about aging wines and all that, 1465 01:06:36,775 --> 01:06:38,298 who cares, right? 1466 01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:40,909 And let's face it, it's been foisted upon us 1467 01:06:40,953 --> 01:06:42,868 by the industry who don't want us to age something. 1468 01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:44,261 They want us to buy the next vintage. 1469 01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:45,914 - Yeah, buy and then consume and then buy again. 1470 01:06:45,958 --> 01:06:46,785 - And then buy the next vintage. 1471 01:06:46,828 --> 01:06:48,047 That's the whole philosophy 1472 01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:49,048 of the American production system, 1473 01:06:49,092 --> 01:06:50,571 and one thing I will say, 1474 01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:53,792 if you raise the consciousness of a generation 1475 01:06:53,835 --> 01:06:58,101 to something that is just different enough, and trust me, 1476 01:06:58,144 --> 01:07:00,103 these millennials are just different enough, 1477 01:07:00,146 --> 01:07:01,756 they wanna be something crafty, 1478 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,063 and they wanna bedtime story to go with it. 1479 01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,152 - Well, there's lots of bedtime story with this. 1480 01:07:06,196 --> 01:07:07,980 - This has a great bedtime story. 1481 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:08,763 - Yeah. 1482 01:07:08,807 --> 01:07:11,157 [light music] 1483 01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:35,181 We're dying to know how these were chosen. 1484 01:07:35,225 --> 01:07:36,704 [Dustin laughs] 1485 01:07:36,748 --> 01:07:38,097 - The last one's a lot darker. 1486 01:07:39,316 --> 01:07:41,100 It must have a bit of burnt ash in it. 1487 01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:48,673 - Thanks. - Mm-hmm. 1488 01:07:48,716 --> 01:07:51,632 We put on a tasting in New York 1489 01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:54,635 and the purpose and the idea behind the tasting 1490 01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,552 was to kind of start a conversation amongst sommeliers 1491 01:07:58,596 --> 01:08:01,120 about Pinot Noir and where it grows in the world, 1492 01:08:01,164 --> 01:08:02,991 and how things are kind of evolving. 1493 01:08:03,035 --> 01:08:05,951 Basically, some of those top three wines, 1494 01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:08,649 the ones that we have in front of us here, 1495 01:08:08,693 --> 01:08:09,955 basically were a tie. 1496 01:08:09,998 --> 01:08:12,000 They earned roughly the same amount of points. 1497 01:08:12,044 --> 01:08:15,526 So it was a very, very close call between these three wines. 1498 01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:17,093 So we thought it'd be really interesting 1499 01:08:17,136 --> 01:08:20,139 to bring the wines here, taste them with you all, 1500 01:08:20,183 --> 01:08:21,835 and basically do the exact same thing 1501 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,057 and just to see where your palates land with these wines. 1502 01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:28,321 - They do seem very different to me, each one. 1503 01:08:28,365 --> 01:08:31,063 When I first tasted number one, 1504 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,979 I thought maybe a little bit too much green, 1505 01:08:35,023 --> 01:08:37,024 but it's actually growing on me. 1506 01:08:37,068 --> 01:08:38,809 I'm actually liking it a lot. 1507 01:08:41,117 --> 01:08:42,118 Number two, 1508 01:08:45,337 --> 01:08:47,210 very pretty now. 1509 01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:51,736 Maybe the most Burgundian, even if it's not from Burgundy. 1510 01:08:51,779 --> 01:08:54,173 Three is very concentrated, isn't it? 1511 01:08:54,217 --> 01:08:57,871 And a kind of Burgundy lover might say, 1512 01:08:57,916 --> 01:09:00,961 oh, you know, why should Pinot look like that? 1513 01:09:01,005 --> 01:09:04,791 It's a bit too dark for a classic Burgundy. 1514 01:09:09,884 --> 01:09:12,059 But I think it might be pretty nice 1515 01:09:12,103 --> 01:09:15,455 in kind of two or three years. 1516 01:09:15,499 --> 01:09:17,065 That's as far as I've got. 1517 01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:22,853 I'll listen to the kings here, and then revise my thoughts. 1518 01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:23,333 [laughs] - Fred? 1519 01:09:25,639 --> 01:09:27,902 - Somebody really likes oak, right? 1520 01:09:27,946 --> 01:09:30,905 A lot, good barrels, though. 1521 01:09:30,949 --> 01:09:32,167 Very nice, wine number one 1522 01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:33,907 I think some expensive wood went in there. 1523 01:09:33,952 --> 01:09:36,041 I think some expensive wine making went in there. 1524 01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,217 Then you got a soda pop, right? 1525 01:09:38,261 --> 01:09:40,131 And just really bright, clean. 1526 01:09:40,175 --> 01:09:41,742 It's got that Bing cherry, 1527 01:09:41,786 --> 01:09:44,092 that quality I associate with the New World, pretty much. 1528 01:09:44,136 --> 01:09:46,486 She thinks she's more in the Burgundian style, 1529 01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:48,053 which considering some of the recent vintages, 1530 01:09:48,095 --> 01:09:49,315 I couldn't arguably argue it. 1531 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,231 I think, I mean, it's clean. 1532 01:09:52,274 --> 01:09:56,931 It's almost a little vegetal on the nose. 1533 01:09:56,975 --> 01:09:58,281 - We should say they're three nice wines, actually. 1534 01:09:58,324 --> 01:10:00,892 - Yeah, I'm nitpicking here. 1535 01:10:00,934 --> 01:10:02,850 This reminds me of stuff from Otago. 1536 01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:05,026 Somebody's an acid head, right? 1537 01:10:06,985 --> 01:10:08,943 But it's good, you know, it's well made. 1538 01:10:08,987 --> 01:10:10,510 This to me is a New World style here. 1539 01:10:10,554 --> 01:10:13,034 - So fresher acidity than you maybe would have thought, 1540 01:10:13,077 --> 01:10:14,949 given the aromatics. - Yeah, it is. 1541 01:10:14,993 --> 01:10:16,386 - And the color-- - I mean, let's face it, 1542 01:10:16,429 --> 01:10:18,475 everybody certifies these days, 1543 01:10:18,518 --> 01:10:20,564 well, except for the Burgundy 'cause it's illegal, right? 1544 01:10:20,607 --> 01:10:22,174 - Right. [laughs] 1545 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:24,089 - The acidity is really what stands out, look at that color. 1546 01:10:24,132 --> 01:10:27,527 I mean, you had to really push that. 1547 01:10:27,571 --> 01:10:30,226 Stylistically, Jancis is right, they're totally different. 1548 01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:31,662 - [Dustin] Right. 1549 01:10:31,705 --> 01:10:34,012 - I'd probably pick number three. 1550 01:10:34,055 --> 01:10:35,535 - Very good. 1551 01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:37,145 - I have a personal idea of what Pinot Noir should be 1552 01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:39,757 for me, and number three is not at all 1553 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,148 what I want in Pinot Noir. 1554 01:10:41,193 --> 01:10:42,629 It's far too dark. - Too concentrated. 1555 01:10:42,673 --> 01:10:45,110 - Too concentrated, it's got far too much oak, 1556 01:10:45,153 --> 01:10:47,895 and I'm sure I agree with you, Fred. 1557 01:10:47,939 --> 01:10:52,073 It's a good wine, but if I go down in my cellar 1558 01:10:52,117 --> 01:10:56,034 looking for a Pinot Noir to drink with a poached chicken, 1559 01:10:56,077 --> 01:10:58,079 that's not the one I'd take. 1560 01:10:58,123 --> 01:11:00,778 I think I'm going for the reverse order. 1561 01:11:00,821 --> 01:11:02,300 I think I agree with Jancis. 1562 01:11:02,344 --> 01:11:04,825 I think number two is probably Burgundian. 1563 01:11:04,869 --> 01:11:06,436 I like that wine a lot, 1564 01:11:06,478 --> 01:11:09,134 but I've got a lot of wines like that in my cellar, 1565 01:11:09,177 --> 01:11:13,007 and so that to me is Pinot Noir straight down the nine. 1566 01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:18,056 This to me, wine number one was a slightly fuller color 1567 01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:22,016 and a slightly more youthful aspect to it. 1568 01:11:23,235 --> 01:11:26,020 It's Pinot Noir with a twist for me, 1569 01:11:26,064 --> 01:11:28,893 and of the three that's the one I prefer. 1570 01:11:28,936 --> 01:11:30,851 - Interesting. - What'd you like? 1571 01:11:30,895 --> 01:11:33,157 - Well, Jancis hasn't picked her favorite yet. 1572 01:11:33,201 --> 01:11:34,333 - No, I haven't. 1573 01:11:34,377 --> 01:11:36,379 Two for today. 1574 01:11:36,422 --> 01:11:37,684 - Very good, very good. 1575 01:11:37,728 --> 01:11:41,035 Interesting so, one, two, three. 1576 01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:42,733 - Yep. [laughing] 1577 01:11:42,776 --> 01:11:44,255 - Aren't we inviting? [laughs] 1578 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,084 - Alright, didn't see that coming. 1579 01:11:46,127 --> 01:11:48,260 So Steven, you picked wine number one. 1580 01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:49,566 - I picked that one, yeah, yeah. 1581 01:11:49,609 --> 01:11:51,568 - Great. - Because it's different. 1582 01:11:51,611 --> 01:11:52,873 - Different. - For me. 1583 01:11:52,916 --> 01:11:54,440 - Jancis, you picked wine number two. 1584 01:11:56,224 --> 01:11:57,313 - [Jancis] For today. 1585 01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:59,010 - Today, because it's speaking to you 1586 01:11:59,053 --> 01:12:00,316 and if you were gonna drink something today, 1587 01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,187 this would be the one you'd like to drink. 1588 01:12:02,230 --> 01:12:05,277 And Fred, you picked wine number three because-- 1589 01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:06,539 - [Fred] It's big, bad, and bold. 1590 01:12:06,583 --> 01:12:08,367 - Big, bad, and bold, I dig it. 1591 01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:12,675 Okay, well, I feel like we should just reveal the wines. 1592 01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,243 - Go ahead. - Yeah, go for it. 1593 01:12:16,157 --> 01:12:17,157 - Okay so... 1594 01:12:19,465 --> 01:12:20,466 Wine number one 1595 01:12:23,295 --> 01:12:27,299 Gevrey-Chambertin, Domaine Bachelet 2015. 1596 01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:28,648 - [Steven] Wow. 1597 01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:31,999 - Steven, that's yours. 1598 01:12:32,043 --> 01:12:33,958 Corbeaux from your crew. 1599 01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:35,351 - [Fred] Too oaky for me. 1600 01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:38,919 - Jancis, wine number two is the Californian. 1601 01:12:38,963 --> 01:12:43,968 - Good for them, good for well, Raj will be thrilled. 1602 01:12:44,969 --> 01:12:47,275 Will he not? - Raj Parr, yes indeed. 1603 01:12:47,318 --> 01:12:50,061 - Who has been trying to make Burgundy 1604 01:12:50,103 --> 01:12:51,018 in California for a long time. 1605 01:12:51,062 --> 01:12:52,498 - [Dustin] Correct, correct. 1606 01:12:52,541 --> 01:12:56,894 - He's in my, he's succeeded as far as I'm concerned. 1607 01:12:57,764 --> 01:12:58,591 - And then Fred, 1608 01:12:59,897 --> 01:13:02,116 d'Angerville Champan 2015. - Good lord. 1609 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,423 - I'm a d'Angerville junkie man. [laughs] 1610 01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:05,250 - [Steven] Wow. 1611 01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:06,643 - [Jancis] So that's 15. 1612 01:13:06,686 --> 01:13:07,773 - It's got 15. 1613 01:13:07,818 --> 01:13:09,080 It's got that horsepower, that's why. 1614 01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:09,994 - 15 yeah, really concentrated fruits. 1615 01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:11,387 - Big and austere. 1616 01:13:12,605 --> 01:13:14,737 - I thought that was Burgundy and I said, 1617 01:13:14,781 --> 01:13:16,348 I've got a lot of this in my cellar. 1618 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:17,523 I don't have a single bottle 1619 01:13:17,567 --> 01:13:19,786 of California Pinot Noir in my cellar. 1620 01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:21,179 [laughing] 1621 01:13:21,222 --> 01:13:22,398 So you know, how much full of yourself do you-- 1622 01:13:22,441 --> 01:13:24,661 - I'll get Raj to send you a case, okay? 1623 01:13:24,704 --> 01:13:26,271 [laughing] 1624 01:13:26,314 --> 01:13:28,534 - Very interesting, thank you. - Yes. 1625 01:13:28,577 --> 01:13:34,322 - And nice that it shows, as you say, how Pinot is evolving. 1626 01:13:34,366 --> 01:13:35,454 - Yes. 1627 01:13:35,498 --> 01:13:37,413 Yeah, this was, you know, 1628 01:13:37,456 --> 01:13:40,111 the Domaine de la Cote was certainly the surprise. 1629 01:13:40,154 --> 01:13:42,243 - I think it says a lot of very positive things 1630 01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:44,376 because the wines are beautifully made 1631 01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:49,337 and you have to think back 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 1632 01:13:49,380 --> 01:13:53,124 there was a lot of very bad wine, very poorly made wine. 1633 01:13:53,166 --> 01:13:55,779 - 30 years ago, longer than that judging wine in California, 1634 01:13:55,822 --> 01:13:57,171 if you got the Pinot Noir panel, 1635 01:13:57,215 --> 01:13:58,216 you'd do anything to get off of it. 1636 01:13:58,259 --> 01:13:58,956 [Jancis laughs] 1637 01:13:58,999 --> 01:14:00,523 I mean, you'd trade. 1638 01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:01,480 I'll take the fruit wines, I'll take the White Zinfandel, 1639 01:14:01,523 --> 01:14:02,786 just don't me on the Pinot Noir 1640 01:14:02,829 --> 01:14:04,222 'cause it's gonna suck, right? 1641 01:14:04,264 --> 01:14:05,832 The wines blow, and they did. 1642 01:14:05,876 --> 01:14:07,138 They were terrible. 1643 01:14:07,181 --> 01:14:08,313 Then you look at today and you see, 1644 01:14:08,356 --> 01:14:09,880 here's a wine made by Raj 1645 01:14:09,923 --> 01:14:12,230 that's standing up to two legendary wines. 1646 01:14:12,273 --> 01:14:13,753 - [Dustin] Right. 1647 01:14:13,797 --> 01:14:15,059 - I think that's the greatest news in the world 1648 01:14:15,102 --> 01:14:16,582 because you're saying, there's great parity 1649 01:14:16,626 --> 01:14:18,496 occurring in the world in the quality of wine making. 1650 01:14:18,541 --> 01:14:20,107 - Correct. 1651 01:14:20,151 --> 01:14:21,718 - Well, you know, place, and terroir, and all those things 1652 01:14:21,761 --> 01:14:24,590 will always have that hold on your heart. 1653 01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,853 Let's face it, the modern world is changing things. 1654 01:14:26,897 --> 01:14:28,376 - Yes. 1655 01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:30,814 - To a great extent, and I think you see it right here. 1656 01:14:30,857 --> 01:14:32,424 [light music] 1657 01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:33,425 - [Dustin] Given they each chose different wines 1658 01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,383 and what they preferred, 1659 01:14:35,427 --> 01:14:37,951 I think shows that even at a high level 1660 01:14:37,995 --> 01:14:39,387 with some of the best wines in the world, 1661 01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:42,913 that you can still have differences in preference. 1662 01:14:42,956 --> 01:14:44,523 I think that's also really important 1663 01:14:44,567 --> 01:14:47,264 because I think people should be drinking what they like, 1664 01:14:47,308 --> 01:14:51,050 and not just what other people tell them they should like. 1665 01:14:51,094 --> 01:14:53,139 And this was really cool to see them kind 1666 01:14:53,184 --> 01:14:54,532 of pick these things out 1667 01:14:54,577 --> 01:14:57,275 and like each of the wines for different reasons. 1668 01:14:57,318 --> 01:14:59,407 - [Madeline] There is so much wine in the world, 1669 01:14:59,451 --> 01:15:02,148 and so much of it is good. 1670 01:15:02,193 --> 01:15:07,198 So what we value is really based on perception. 1671 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:10,070 - [Narrator] When people taste wine, 1672 01:15:10,114 --> 01:15:12,420 they often listen to the voice of the winemaker 1673 01:15:12,464 --> 01:15:14,814 or the critic, or a friend who says 1674 01:15:14,858 --> 01:15:17,425 this is the greatest bottle ever or a price tag, 1675 01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:19,471 and blind tasting takes all of that out 1676 01:15:19,514 --> 01:15:21,821 and lets the wine speak for itself. 1677 01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:23,475 - [Dustin] This tasting was important 1678 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:25,737 because it shows that you can have wines that do speak 1679 01:15:25,782 --> 01:15:29,350 of a sense of place from lots of different places. 1680 01:15:29,394 --> 01:15:32,702 Not only that, but wines from around the world now 1681 01:15:32,745 --> 01:15:35,661 are such, such high quality. 1682 01:15:35,705 --> 01:15:37,794 You don't have to just drink, you know, 1683 01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:38,969 the great French wines of the world. 1684 01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:40,623 You can get just as much pleasure 1685 01:15:40,666 --> 01:15:43,539 out of a fun Santa Barbara wine now 1686 01:15:44,496 --> 01:15:46,716 than you can about an overgrown Cru Burgundy. 1687 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,936 - The beauty of what we do 1688 01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:51,371 is that the world of wine is constantly changing, 1689 01:15:51,416 --> 01:15:52,591 and you need to keep up. 1690 01:15:52,635 --> 01:15:55,202 - I think that the world of wine 1691 01:15:55,246 --> 01:15:59,511 is in a better state now than I've ever known it, actually. 1692 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:02,209 More interesting, more varied. 1693 01:16:02,253 --> 01:16:03,514 It's certainly in flux. 1694 01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:05,038 Isn't the world in flux? 1695 01:16:05,082 --> 01:16:09,956 - I think wine is an ever-changing scene. 1696 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,005 I mean, it's been changing all of my life 1697 01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:17,964 and it's gonna change probably even quicker. 1698 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:20,619 God knows how many millions 1699 01:16:20,663 --> 01:16:23,230 of bottles there are in the world, 1700 01:16:23,273 --> 01:16:26,146 so there are a lot more wines out there that I can drink. 1701 01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:29,672 So I guess it's because there's always something new. 1702 01:16:29,715 --> 01:16:33,240 [bright uplifting music] 126623

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