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[horn honks]
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- You know, how people taste,
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and what wines are next to each
other can oftentimes change
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how the wine next to it
is smelling and tasting.
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- It's not easy to blind taste.
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- The fear of blind tasting
is basically being wrong.
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- I'll tell you what, I
mean I've been fooled.
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- I think the most random
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that we could try to
make this, the better.
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- If you enjoy wine,
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there's nothing to be
gained by blind tasting
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because I think wine's all
about its history and its place.
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- So wine one, is the glass
closest to you on the left.
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Two, three, four, five, six.
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- Well, we blind taste
each other for games.
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- For bragging rights
and all of that.
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- I got it right, I'm
the greatest. [cheers]
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- In that style, I mean
it's a parlor trick.
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- I love blind tasting and
it's not a parlor trick.
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- [Carole] It's useful in
only rare circumstances.
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If you're a scientist
trying to study
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the effect of some
variable on wine,
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then certainly you
wanna taste it blind.
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- There's some wine critics
who have to taste blind,
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particularly if they're
working for a publication,
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take sponsorship.
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- You know, when I
was buying wines,
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we'd taste everything blind.
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- When I was a sommelier,
the way I bought wine
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was if I nailed the
wine, nailed the price,
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I would then buy the wine.
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- You're not biased
by the producer,
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by any score or
what you've heard,
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or what you think that you
should think about this wine.
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- You know, the naked wine.
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- [Carole] When you remove all
people's preconceived notions
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about the origin of a wine,
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you get an assessment
that's very, very different
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than the assessment that you get
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if people are looking
at the bottle.
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- [Madeline] But 40 years ago,
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a blind tasting
changed the world.
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[crickets chirping]
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[operatic music]
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[metal clanking]
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- The wine industry has boomed
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at an exponential rate
in the last 40 years.
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- In the US, the wine industry
is a $220 billion business.
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- [Narrator] 85 years ago,
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wine was illegal to make and
sell, right up until 1933.
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There was no industry.
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- For the first
several thousand years
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of humans making wine, they
simply collected grapes
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and crushed them and
did very little else,
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and I think that it's
only in the last century
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that people really
started to learn
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how to manage the
wine making itself.
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- [Madeline] For wine to
change it had to be challenged,
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and we've people
to thank for that.
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On the one hand, you've got
the seekers, the explorers,
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who go out and find where there
is great wine in the world
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that's never been found before,
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and they bring that
wine to the critics,
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and the critics get together,
they disagree or they agree,
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and they make a lot of noise,
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and then you've got the
sommeliers and the resellers
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who deliver the
actual bottle to you.
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So much of what we
know about wine today
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was built on the work
of just a few people,
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and three of those people
are getting together
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in Paris to taste the
wines that changed them.
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- Arguably three of the
most important people
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who have ever been involved
with the world of wine.
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- [Madeline] They're all
big voices, but they're also
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in a lot of times, they're
conflicting voices.
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- These guys made
wine what it is today.
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[operatic music]
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- [Laura] She might be
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the most influential
wine critic in the world.
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- To make it clear, I've never
been in the wine business.
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I've never had any connection
with the wine trade,
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never worked in the wine trade,
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and I've worked very, very hard
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to sort of keep my hands clean.
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- Jancis has had a
huge influence on me.
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I mean, some of the books
that she's written have been
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part of my library
since almost day one.
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- She wrote The Oxford
Companion to Wine,
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which is the most
comprehensive wine encyclopedia
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that the world has ever seen.
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- In regards of what
region I was studying,
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if there's a term I didn't know,
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I could go to that one
resource, The Oxford Companion,
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and I could find the definition
of whatever that word was.
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- [Jancis] My children tease me
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that The Oxford Companion
is my fourth child. [laughs]
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- Jancis meant to wine what
Julia Child did to food.
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She brought a beautiful
joy and enthusiasm to it
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that made the world of wine fun.
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- If she says good
things about your wine,
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people notice that.
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- [Virginia] If she
doesn't like a wine,
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she's got no problem
in saying it upfront,
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so she's petrifying to do
a tasting with. [laughs]
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Her opinion matters, I
mean she's a serious woman.
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- [Host] It's now my honor
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to invite Jancis
Robinson to the stage.
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[applauding]
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- I think probably
I've done a little bit
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to make employers feel
that female employees
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in the world of wine should
be given absolutely their due.
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Wherever this
award is being held
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and for whichever country
we would be for it,
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but particularly for Australia
because you have to admit,
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the Australian wine scene
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has been pretty male
dominated for quite a while.
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- You're talking about the
10 or 20 people in the world
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whom are probably
instinctive tasters,
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where they're sort of born
with a very high level of gift,
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and I mean, she's on of 'em.
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- Women are better tasters,
better blind tasters for sure.
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We have a sensory memory
that men don't have,
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- There are lots of scientific
studies that suggest
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that women actually taste
more accurately than men,
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but it's a very male thing
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that competitive
blind tasting, yeah.
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[dramatic music]
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- We're gonna do a little
blind tasting today,
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and I'm in the latter
part of my career,
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so today we'll see what
few skills I have left.
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- There's incredibly
famous stories about Fred.
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More people know of
the legend of Fred Dame
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than have tasted with Fred.
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- Fred is one of the
best blind tasters
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I've ever met in my life.
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- He was in Seattle.
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Everyone's blind tasting
an old bottle of Madeira.
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He puts his nose in the glass
and says, "This is 1905."
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- I've never really gave Fred
a flight, you know, of wine.
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- Jay is competitive as
hell, and Fred is as well,
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so I'd love to see that.
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- I decided to pick a couple
things with some age, right?
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Because age kind
of masks things.
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- Probably like
the scene in Heat,
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you know, when you have
like De Niro and Pacino
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sitting down having
coffee together.
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[knocking]
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- [Jay] Hold on, not just yet.
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- [Man] How many
Master Sommeliers
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does it take to decant
a bottle of wine?
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- Apparently more than one.
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You always wonder, you know,
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how your skills have
done as time marches on,
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as gravity takes hold
of your body, right?
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- Fred likes to win. [laughs]
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Come on in Fred, let's have
a glass of wine, buddy.
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- Oh, let's not.
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I'm a little old
for this, you know?
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[groans] gosh.
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- I think you're pretty
good, but I bet you,
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you'd call these white wines.
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- Chardonnay, Riesling.
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Thank you.
- Done, thank you.
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Done, you pass.
[laughing]
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- Fred Dame is the grandfather
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of the American
sommelier business.
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- [Laura] He is the
best hospitality,
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restaurateur, sommelier.
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- [Man] I don't think wine
in restaurants would be
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where it is today if it
weren't for someone like him.
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- The big wine list
with the teaching,
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with the training.
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He really reshaped the landscape
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of not only
California wine lists,
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but wine lists throughout
the United States.
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- Oh, I think I
deserve all the credit.
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- I picked the Guigal
Chateau d'Ampuis Cote-Rotie.
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This is a classic wine
from the Rhone Valley.
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It's Syrah with a
little bit of Viognier.
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The trick on that wine is
it's got the new oak on it,
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so it could be misleading
and take him somewhere else.
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The other trick on that wine
is that it's a 1995 vintage.
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So here we got a
22-year-old wine.
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- Alright, well, I can tell you
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whoever decanted these
did one crap job.
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[laughs]
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'Cause I got a big chunk
of cork floating in mine.
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It looks like you
used a chainsaw.
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- [Jay] That's all
I had, a chainsaw.
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We're in Montana.
- Okay.
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[laughs]
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- I broke it down
with a chainsaw,
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threw some wood chips in there.
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- Point number one, the
viscosity is very, very good.
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It's going a little garnet
from center to the rim.
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It's got a little watery rim,
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which tells me the
glycerol's a little high.
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Well, it's really peppery,
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and really smoky,
and really meaty,
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but really, really well crafted.
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This wine seems to
be showing some age.
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It smells like a Rhone wine.
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I mean, that's what
it smells like.
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I'd put it [sighs]
in Northern Rhone.
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I'd say Cote-Rotie or Hermitage.
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Cote-Rotie is kind
of what I really like
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'cause it's so
peppery and meaty.
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Very high quality producer.
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- So final call Cote-Rotie.
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What's the final vintage call?
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- There is some,
I'd give it '95.
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[laughs]
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- That's pretty good, Fred.
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That's pretty good.
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[bright classical music]
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[plates clanking]
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- Honey, we got some cheese?
- Yep.
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- [Steven] Well, I need
two more side plates.
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I'll get them out
of the dishwasher.
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It looks nicer with
the side plates.
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- [Bella] Oh, okay.
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[water pouring]
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- It shows I'm house trained.
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[Bella laughs]
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- He's very house trained,
all to do with his mother.
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It's always to do
with people's mothers.
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[laughing]
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- I've never minded washing
up and I'm incredibly tidy.
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Tidiness is next to godliness.
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- Oh rubbish, anyway
I'm not tidy at all,
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[Steven laughs]
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which is a good mix.
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[bright classical music]
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Steven has been the mentor of
so many famous people in wine.
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He is, I won't say obsessed,
but he is in his world.
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It is his thing.
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It just has been his
life, it always will be.
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- I'm not a mathematician,
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but I tend to drink at least
a bottle of wine a day.
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So that's, let's say 400 a
year, and let's say 55 years.
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You calculate it out.
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- You know, there's
kind of a thing
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in the sommelier
community today,
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where you go and you
find the weirdest wine.
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Well, Steven Spurrier
kind of started all that.
247
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He was always a champion
of the underdog.
248
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- Steven had a small
empire in Paris,
249
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and we all used
to hang out there.
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It was...
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How can I put it?
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It was I suppose you'd
say in today's language,
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it was where it
was all happening.
254
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He had a wine school
255
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with excellent, excellent
people who taught there.
256
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He had a retail shop,
and he had a restaurant.
257
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- Definitely something to be
inspired by and look up to.
258
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- I mean Steven
Spurrier is a legend.
259
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- Especially me coming over
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from the restaurant side
and getting into retail.
261
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[light music]
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- If I'm known for anything,
it's the Judgment of Paris.
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Probably the most famous wine
event in the last 50 years.
264
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[laughs]
265
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[bright music]
266
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- [Carole] It was a time
when New World wines
267
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were beginning to emerge
on the world wine market,
268
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but there were a lot
of people who thought
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that they would never
match the Old World wines
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that had been
around for so long,
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on which the wine market
was based at that time.
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- Steven Spurrier brought
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the best California
wines of the day,
274
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and put them against the
best French wines of the day.
275
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- At that stage, the wine
world knew Bordeaux chiefly.
276
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- So we invited the
nine best palates
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in France over a wide spectrum.
278
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- 90% of all the judges
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never tasted a
California wine before,
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so they had no perception of
what California was capable of.
281
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- So we said, "Okay, I've
gotta put in the French wines
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"side by side with
these Californians,
283
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"or they won't
take it seriously."
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- Nowadays blind tasting,
285
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everyone just assumes
it happens all the time.
286
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It was totally new,
really, back then.
287
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- [Narrator] He was hoping
that one of the wines
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would come in top five
in either category
289
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and saying, "Hey, let's pay
attention to California wine."
290
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- Well, the rest is history.
291
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- California wines ended up
topping the Chardonnay category
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and Cabernet Sauvignon category,
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which I think blew
everyone's mind.
294
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- We went up against the very,
very best stuff and we won.
295
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- And then all hell broke loose.
296
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- Shit happens.
297
00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:06,182
- He never knew they were
going to win, no one did.
298
00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,576
- [Bella] I don't think
either of us realized
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the implications at the time.
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- [Madeline] Congress
has it listed
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as an actual historical event.
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You can see the bottles
in The Smithsonian.
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- And that changed the world.
304
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They weren't just
a joke anymore.
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They weren't just the
upstart Americans.
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We were a threat.
307
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- [Jancis] Several French
suppliers contacted us
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and said they would
never speak to us again.
309
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I mean, people were
horrible to the judges,
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and they were very loyal
to Steven, the judges.
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- [Madeline] The
actual event itself,
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it didn't seem
important at the time,
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but the fallout of
the Judgment of Paris
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is really the thing.
315
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- The fact that it
was a blind tasting,
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they weren't competing with
the history and the heritage,
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and all the glory of
Bordeaux and Burgundy.
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They were competing
on their merits.
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- It got the East Coast to say,
320
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"Hey, maybe there are some
good wines in California.
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"Let's start selling
their wines."
322
00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,818
- We owe our
existence, if you will,
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to the Judgment of Paris 1976.
324
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- That's crazy, like now
we think of Napa Valley
325
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and it's like one of the best
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wine producing
regions in the world.
327
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,872
- The biggest thing that
happened was the prices went up.
328
00:17:27,915 --> 00:17:29,222
I was bummed.
329
00:17:29,265 --> 00:17:31,267
I was buying the stuff
for nothing, man.
330
00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:36,011
- [Ian] It caused an explosion
on the business front.
331
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Absolutely everybody
made more money.
332
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- With Bordeaux, which were
the Cabernet based wines
333
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in France, there was already
a classification system
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of the best wines in the world,
335
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and so they chose the
first growths of Bordeaux.
336
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One of the really interesting
aspects was they didn't choose
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the most famous California
wineries at the time.
338
00:17:56,945 --> 00:17:59,687
- [Steven] I could've easily
put in Mondovi, I knew him,
339
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but his wasn't wine I was after.
340
00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:05,519
- [Narrator] They
chose artisanal,
341
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family run very high
quality producers.
342
00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:13,092
It's not all about Napa, I
mean if you think about Ridge,
343
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that's Santa Cruz Mountains,
which are much further south.
344
00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:21,361
- I made the wine that
was in the tasting.
345
00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:23,537
It was my, let's see, one, two.
346
00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:26,975
It was my third wine that
I made here at Ridge.
347
00:18:27,018 --> 00:18:28,281
- All the famous wineries today
348
00:18:28,324 --> 00:18:30,021
were like minuscule back then.
349
00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,806
When you call
Ridge and you know,
350
00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:33,068
the VW van would come down,
351
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all the smoke would
come pouring out like,
352
00:18:34,635 --> 00:18:35,853
"Dude, are you the
man that bought,
353
00:18:35,897 --> 00:18:38,595
"did you order
five cases of Zin?"
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00:18:38,639 --> 00:18:39,901
I go, "I did."
355
00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:40,989
"Cool man.
356
00:18:41,032 --> 00:18:41,990
"You wanna taste
some other stuff?"
357
00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:43,513
"Yeah come in.
358
00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:44,601
"We've got some other stuff
in the van here, man."
359
00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:50,433
- Every wine in that
tasting had a story.
360
00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:51,695
- [Narrator] You look
at Chateau Montelena,
361
00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:53,349
that was a wine
made by Mike Grgich,
362
00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:58,006
a Croatian refugee who came
to the United States in 1958
363
00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,444
with 35 American dollars
364
00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:04,099
that he stashed in
the sole of his shoes.
365
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,448
So this is a guy
who put everything
366
00:19:05,492 --> 00:19:09,104
to try to capitalize
on the American Dream.
367
00:19:12,977 --> 00:19:16,894
It was Clos Du Val's
first vintage making wine,
368
00:19:16,938 --> 00:19:22,639
and to enter into that
with that tasting is huge.
369
00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:25,816
[upbeat jazzy music]
370
00:19:29,777 --> 00:19:31,996
- So I'm at this event, right?
371
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,433
- 18,000 now, one more?
372
00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:35,739
Hey 19,000 and 19, go 20?
373
00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:39,178
- Where everyone in the
business goes once a year
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to buy auction lots of wine,
375
00:19:41,658 --> 00:19:45,227
and we're talking hundreds of
thousands of dollars dropped
376
00:19:45,271 --> 00:19:46,446
in a matter of moments
377
00:19:46,489 --> 00:19:48,448
over these very precious
bottles of wine.
378
00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:50,972
- All done, sold $32,000.
379
00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:54,628
- [Madeline] If you were
seriously tasting there,
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00:19:54,671 --> 00:19:59,546
you would taste 360 or so
lots of Cabernet wines.
381
00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:02,723
Your teeth would be
so purple. [laughs]
382
00:20:02,766 --> 00:20:05,247
I'm in the tasting.
383
00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:07,118
Everyone's here.
- Everybody's here.
384
00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,686
- And I go to the
back, and boom!
385
00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:11,688
It's Steven Spurrier.
386
00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:14,952
Steven effin' Spurrier is there.
387
00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:17,651
The man who planned
the Paris tasting,
388
00:20:17,694 --> 00:20:19,566
and DLynn Proctor's there.
389
00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:21,959
He is one of the most
well-connected people
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00:20:22,003 --> 00:20:24,788
in the California wine business.
391
00:20:24,832 --> 00:20:27,226
This guy is the
smoothest operator.
392
00:20:28,139 --> 00:20:29,402
- Great seeing you guys.
393
00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:30,664
Always a pleasure.
394
00:20:30,707 --> 00:20:34,145
- And he's got a bottle
of one of the wines
395
00:20:34,189 --> 00:20:36,800
from the 1976 Paris tasting.
396
00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:38,976
- I pulled on the coattail
of one of my dear friends
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00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:41,892
who runs Clos Du
Val, and I asked him
398
00:20:41,936 --> 00:20:43,981
if I could the 1972
Judgment of Paris wine.
399
00:20:44,025 --> 00:20:46,593
- [Madeline] No, it doesn't
matter how much money you have,
400
00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:49,683
you can't get the wines
from the Paris tasting.
401
00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:51,162
- You have no idea what
I had to do to get this.
402
00:20:51,206 --> 00:20:53,382
- Yeah, well.
- You'll love it. [laughs]
403
00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:54,992
- I really appreciate it, man.
404
00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,603
- Don't drop it.
- Thank you.
405
00:20:57,995 --> 00:20:59,127
Hey Mike.
406
00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:00,041
I gotta clean my teeth, man.
407
00:21:00,084 --> 00:21:02,130
These 16s are so fucking big.
408
00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:10,051
- [Madeline] It's this old room
and it's Steve Matthiasson,
409
00:21:10,094 --> 00:21:13,707
myself, Steven
Spurrier, DLynn Proctor.
410
00:21:15,143 --> 00:21:18,451
They pour out some of the wine
and everyone's sitting there
411
00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:22,324
with a wine that
doesn't exist. [laughs]
412
00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:24,152
Like, you can't get this wine.
413
00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:26,328
- It's more leather.
414
00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:27,416
- It's like horehound
candy and leather.
415
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,852
- Like a more kind off--
- Absolutely.
416
00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:31,899
- high polished leather.
417
00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,294
I mean, the fruit is there,
418
00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:36,556
the fruit is backing
the whole thing up,
419
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:39,733
but you don't sense
cassis or red currant,
420
00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:41,517
yet they're there, but hidden.
- No, no it's totally,
421
00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:43,084
it's all tertiary now.
422
00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:45,086
- But the vigor, yeah,
you're quite right, tertiary.
423
00:21:45,129 --> 00:21:48,872
The vigor, the restrained vigor
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00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:50,178
in this wine is
quite extraordinary.
425
00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,180
- In the '70s,
acidity was prized.
426
00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,616
- Absolutely.
427
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:55,401
- You know, it was a
couple of decades later,
428
00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:56,837
the winemakers felt you needed
429
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,317
to not have as much acidity.
- Not have it.
430
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,276
- For that breadth, but
they wanted the acidity.
431
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,366
- When you think about the
late '70s when this happened,
432
00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:07,064
you put Napa Valley wine,
you put California wine,
433
00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:08,631
on such a global stage,
434
00:22:08,675 --> 00:22:11,286
and the bandwidth just
expanded so greatly.
435
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,636
I mean, does Napa owe you?
436
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,290
- Well, I think there should be
437
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,509
a little street named after me.
438
00:22:16,552 --> 00:22:18,162
I mean, I think
that's a good idea.
439
00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,295
[laughing]
440
00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,166
I wouldn't take the
Silverado Trail,
441
00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:24,386
but just a little side street.
442
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:25,909
- [Madeline] I would, yeah.
443
00:22:25,953 --> 00:22:29,130
Steven Spurrier Lane.
- I like that.
444
00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:30,610
- If you were to do this today,
445
00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:34,222
would you still
do the same grape
446
00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:36,267
or would you do
maybe something else?
447
00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:39,314
- If I were doing it again,
I'd probably take Pinot Noir.
448
00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,230
[upbeat jazzy music]
449
00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,934
[horn honks]
450
00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,773
- [Madeline] So
Dustin Wilson goes
451
00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:07,298
from his cushy Eleven
Madison Park restaurant job,
452
00:23:07,342 --> 00:23:10,127
and opens a wine retail store.
453
00:23:12,434 --> 00:23:14,741
- Oh, the glamorous
life of retail.
454
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:16,307
- You know, in
today's marketplace,
455
00:23:16,351 --> 00:23:19,398
you have to be a
little bit wacky
456
00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:22,444
to wanna open your
own wine store.
457
00:23:22,488 --> 00:23:26,013
It's a dream, I mean, I
would love to do that,
458
00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:29,756
but it takes an amazing
amount of effort,
459
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,281
and everyone's always looking
for the best tasting wine
460
00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,022
at the greatest possible value.
461
00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:36,502
- You know, bang for the buck.
462
00:23:38,242 --> 00:23:40,549
- [Madeline] I think a lot
of people look to Burgundy.
463
00:23:40,593 --> 00:23:42,072
- Keep browsing.
- Oh, and what is the lot
464
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,422
on this Pinot Noir?
- [Madeline] What can I get
465
00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:46,163
that is a good as
Burgundy Pinot Noir?
466
00:23:46,207 --> 00:23:48,775
But honestly, those wines
are not really approachable
467
00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:49,906
when it comes to price.
468
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:51,734
They are expensive.
469
00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,825
- If you look at what
Spurrier did with his tasting
470
00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:59,438
back in the '70s and what
that did for California wines,
471
00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:02,832
and it's like if you look
at what is going on today
472
00:24:02,876 --> 00:24:05,444
and you want to have
this similar conversation
473
00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:07,881
with regards to not
just California,
474
00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:11,188
but lots of different
places, very objectively,
475
00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:13,060
I think we've gotten
to a point now
476
00:24:13,103 --> 00:24:14,931
where we can have some
of these Pinot Noirs
477
00:24:14,975 --> 00:24:17,281
from other places in the
world besides Burgundy
478
00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:19,849
be in the same
conversation as Burgundy,
479
00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:21,242
at a very high level.
480
00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:26,334
[bell chiming]
481
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:39,390
- Pinot Noir has this
distinctness of place.
482
00:24:39,434 --> 00:24:40,391
It's really showcasing the wine.
483
00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:42,045
- It's a plant that grows well,
484
00:24:42,089 --> 00:24:44,439
and it'll make fruit
just about anywhere,
485
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,137
but it won't make good fruit
486
00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:49,400
that'll make good wine
just about anywhere.
487
00:24:49,444 --> 00:24:51,185
- [Narrator] It's
insanely high maintenance,
488
00:24:51,228 --> 00:24:52,403
I mean Pinot is like,
489
00:24:52,447 --> 00:24:55,015
you've had a thin-skinned
friend before,
490
00:24:55,058 --> 00:24:57,191
and you have to handle
them with kid gloves.
491
00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,019
Pinot is the same thing.
492
00:24:59,062 --> 00:25:01,282
- [Madeline] It's the
ballerina in the room.
493
00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:02,457
It treads lightly.
494
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:03,937
- [Laura] It shows exactly
495
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:05,591
what the producer
wants you to see.
496
00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:07,462
However, you know
because of that
497
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,117
you see every bit
of shit, as well.
498
00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:14,948
- [Carole] It's hard to
make fine wine out of Pinot,
499
00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:18,517
and that's heavily influenced
by where it's grown.
500
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,997
- [Man] If it's too hot,
the grapes will burn.
501
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:23,957
If it's not the right soil,
they won't yield a crop.
502
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,567
It's very finicky that way.
503
00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:27,134
- [Carole] It's
an early ripener,
504
00:25:27,177 --> 00:25:29,876
so you have to grow
Pinot in a cool place.
505
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,791
- If I saw a label
of California wine,
506
00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:33,575
immediately I would think
507
00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:37,318
this is not on a
par with Burgundy.
508
00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:38,841
This Pinot Noir is not as good
509
00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:40,800
as the French label
I'm looking at.
510
00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,236
- Nobody's ever gonna argue
511
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:43,585
that Burgundy isn't
the greatest place
512
00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:45,282
for Pinot Noir in the world
513
00:25:45,326 --> 00:25:50,287
However, the level at which
other places have increased
514
00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:53,377
the quality of Pinot
Noir globally is crazy.
515
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:56,076
Like you can get great Pinot
Noir from all over the map now.
516
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,471
- So, Dustin Wilson
sets up this tasting.
517
00:26:01,516 --> 00:26:03,039
For this to actually work,
518
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,912
not only does Dustin
have to curate wines
519
00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:09,002
that he actually thinks can
hold up against the greats,
520
00:26:09,045 --> 00:26:13,354
you gotta have some
amazing palates in the room
521
00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:17,532
with a lot of weight, so
that their opinions matter,
522
00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,708
and that what they're
actually saying
523
00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:22,581
is what the best of
the best in the world
524
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:23,886
would actually believe.
525
00:26:25,366 --> 00:26:27,455
- So, I got a text from Dustin.
526
00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,413
I think it was like on
Wednesday, and he said,
527
00:26:29,457 --> 00:26:32,373
"Hey, you wanna come down to
Verve to taste on Sunday?"
528
00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,681
A couple days later,
Engelmann calls me and says,
529
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:38,988
"Oh, you going to be at
Verve on Sunday, too?"
530
00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:41,991
- So Dustin calls us,
this tasting blind.
531
00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:44,428
- And then I start to
get a little suspicious
532
00:26:44,472 --> 00:26:47,431
about what kind of event
they're walking into.
533
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:53,873
- I really wanted to assemble
the very best tasters.
534
00:26:55,483 --> 00:26:58,312
You need people with that
sort of great credibility
535
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:01,445
and experience behind them to
give this any sort of weight.
536
00:27:02,882 --> 00:27:05,754
Sabato Sagaria is a
fellow Master Sommelier.
537
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:09,497
One of the most
hospitality, and business,
538
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,500
and restaurant
visions and minds.
539
00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:13,719
For the last several years,
540
00:27:13,762 --> 00:27:16,069
running all the Danny
Meyer restaurants,
541
00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:18,375
he's now president of Bartaco.
542
00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,595
Laura Maniec is joining
us for the tasting.
543
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,990
Laura is the owner of
Corkbuzz here in New York.
544
00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:25,731
She's also a fellow
Master Sommelier,
545
00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:28,995
a phenomenal taster,
badass businesswoman.
546
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,696
Michael Engelmann passed
his Master Sommelier exams
547
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,568
on the first time with
the highest score.
548
00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:39,483
This guy is an animal.
549
00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:41,442
He has got one of
the greatest resumes
550
00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:43,531
of any Master
Sommelier that I know.
551
00:27:43,574 --> 00:27:44,924
So we have Aldo Sohm,
552
00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:47,578
best sommelier in the
world back in '09.
553
00:27:47,622 --> 00:27:51,060
Wine director for Le Bernardin,
a three Michelin star,
554
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,846
four star New York Times
restaurant in Manhattan.
555
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:57,719
Eric Ripert is the chef
and it's widely considered
556
00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,808
one of the very best
restaurants in the world.
557
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:02,811
Pascaline Lepeltier,
558
00:28:02,855 --> 00:28:05,422
Pascaline is one of the
most respected tasters.
559
00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:06,510
She's originally from France.
560
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:08,251
She's on of the
biggest supporters
561
00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:09,557
of the natural wine movement.
562
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,648
She is very much what a
lot of young sommeliers
563
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,476
look up to and aspire to be.
564
00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,654
I'm also really excited to have
Arvid Rosengren joining us.
565
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:22,265
Arvid came here to
the US from Sweden.
566
00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:24,311
He kinda came out of nowhere,
567
00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,661
won the Best Sommelier
in the World competition
568
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:28,750
last year in Mendoza.
569
00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:31,448
Everybody's like,
wow, who is this guy?
570
00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:32,754
Lastly, we have Sarah Thomas.
571
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:35,409
Sarah is a sommelier at
Le Bernardin with Aldo.
572
00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,237
She is a rising star.
573
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,109
She brings a little bit of
a more fresh perspective
574
00:28:40,153 --> 00:28:41,632
to a tasting like this.
575
00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:43,896
- Those are among the
best tasters there are
576
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,811
in New York for sure,
if not the country.
577
00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:48,117
- I wanted to try to
make this, you know,
578
00:28:48,161 --> 00:28:49,815
as well rounded as possible.
579
00:28:49,858 --> 00:28:51,642
- [Madeline] Female, male,
580
00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:53,862
Master Sommeliers,
non-credentialed,
581
00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:55,298
but that doesn't mean anything
582
00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:57,170
because these people
are brilliant.
583
00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,085
- [Dustin] One Swede,
two French people,
584
00:28:59,128 --> 00:29:02,479
three Americans,
and an Austrian.
585
00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:03,872
- They have a really
great perspective
586
00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:05,395
on what the world
of wine is like,
587
00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,615
because they tasted Domaine
de la Romanee-Conti,
588
00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:10,357
and they tasted $10 bottles
of Monterey Pinot Noir.
589
00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:17,625
- Sometimes you get a chance
to be a fly on the wall
590
00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:20,236
in the room when amazing
things are happening.
591
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,285
You don't even realize what
kind of weight they hold.
592
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:27,635
- We've been a little
secretive about the tasting,
593
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:28,984
and that's kind of on purpose.
594
00:29:29,942 --> 00:29:31,204
We assembled this group
595
00:29:31,247 --> 00:29:33,946
because you guys are
the best of the best.
596
00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:35,861
This is a blind tasting.
597
00:29:35,904 --> 00:29:40,561
It's all Pinot Noir, but
we're not trying to assess
598
00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:42,389
where it's coming from
or anything like that.
599
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:44,217
We're not trying
to guess vintages.
600
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,567
It's not that kind of blind
tasting, it's more just,
601
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:48,569
I wanna get honest
opinions on the wines
602
00:29:48,612 --> 00:29:52,094
without seeing the labels and
knowing where it's coming from
603
00:29:52,138 --> 00:29:53,617
and all that sort of jazz.
604
00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:56,272
So we can be truly
objective with the wines.
605
00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:59,710
At the end of this, I'm gonna
ask you to pick what you think
606
00:29:59,754 --> 00:30:04,411
are your personal top
three wines, and that's it.
607
00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:08,110
- [Madeline] Their
nose, and their tongues,
608
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,417
and their mouths
have been tuned.
609
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:14,813
A simple question
like hey, you like it?
610
00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:17,163
You're not gonna get
that as an answer.
611
00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:18,817
[light music]
612
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,821
- Okay, so obviously, we have
all the wines decided on.
613
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,737
We have not decided the order
in which to pour these yet.
614
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:29,175
So I think the way
to do this is really,
615
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:31,046
try to be as random
as possible, right?
616
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:32,134
We've got a couple
New World wines
617
00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:33,744
and a couple Old World wines.
618
00:30:33,788 --> 00:30:36,617
There's also like kind of a
pretty stark wine making style.
619
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:37,923
There's some whole
cluster wines,
620
00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,055
and then there's also
some de-stemmed wines.
621
00:30:40,099 --> 00:30:42,014
We're also don't
necessarily gonna launch
622
00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:44,233
with like the most
esteemed wine.
623
00:30:44,277 --> 00:30:46,627
You might wanna bury that
somewhere in the middle.
624
00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:50,283
[sighs]
625
00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:51,850
I don't know,
let's see, maybe...
626
00:30:53,286 --> 00:30:56,767
Maybe we start with something
a little unexpected.
627
00:30:56,811 --> 00:31:01,685
Maybe we can start with Chacra,
Bodegas Chacra is wine one.
628
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:05,080
[light music]
629
00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:12,740
This little state in Patagonia
630
00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:14,785
is making world
class Pinot Noir,
631
00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:16,787
in this place that
you would never think
632
00:31:16,831 --> 00:31:17,919
you'd even see Pinot Noir.
633
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:18,877
Initial thoughts?
634
00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:23,838
- It tasted the youngest
and like freshest to me.
635
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,361
Not quite integrated.
636
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:27,668
- It's funny, on the nose it
smells like really stemmy,
637
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,626
or really like intense,
638
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:31,802
and then there's a little
heat on the nose, as well,
639
00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:34,240
but like, only when you exhale.
640
00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:37,808
Like the finish is sweet.
641
00:31:37,852 --> 00:31:39,288
- Yeah, it was almost
like gummy strawberry.
642
00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:41,029
- Yeah, sort of--
- Carbonic.
643
00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,639
- [Laura] Yeah, carbonic.
644
00:31:42,683 --> 00:31:44,946
- I hope I'm not offending
anyone that I know and respect,
645
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,730
but it kind of feels like a wine
646
00:31:46,774 --> 00:31:48,732
that someone's trying to make
in a really elegant style
647
00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:50,865
in a place where
you maybe don't make
648
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,345
this by, sort of by nature.
649
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:55,522
- [Dustin] Okay, interesting.
650
00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,350
Again, I'm...
[laughing]
651
00:31:57,393 --> 00:32:00,875
- Interesting, right?
- I'm listening to you guys.
652
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,355
- I'm kidding.
- No again,
653
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:03,530
it's not about being right
or anything, it's about--
654
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:04,923
- [Michael] Are the
wines gonna be revealed?
655
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,926
- I don't know, maybe.
- In the movie?
656
00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:11,407
- Michael, settle down. [laughs]
657
00:32:14,845 --> 00:32:16,412
So that's whole
cluster New World.
658
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:19,981
Let's go into a
de-stemmed Old World wine
659
00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:22,027
with the d'Angerville.
660
00:32:23,506 --> 00:32:25,900
[light music]
661
00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:28,990
Marquis d'Angerville is really
662
00:32:29,034 --> 00:32:30,992
I think the gold
standard in Volnay.
663
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,995
This is the V producer that you
wannna showcase from Volnay.
664
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:38,957
- This one was the
most quiet on the nose,
665
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,219
and then I was surprised
666
00:32:40,262 --> 00:32:43,222
that it had so much
tannin structure,
667
00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:45,354
and it was like it
finished really acidic,
668
00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:46,965
which for me is Old World.
669
00:32:48,662 --> 00:32:52,796
It has this like
chalky minerality,
but at the same time,
670
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,494
the only thing that's
throwing me off
671
00:32:54,537 --> 00:32:57,801
of this like Old Word thing,
is like the sassafras.
672
00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,499
Like almost like this
Werther's Original,
673
00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:01,631
like that just like
doesn't belong there.
674
00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:03,851
So I'm not really
sure what's going on,
675
00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,200
but I like the wine.
676
00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:07,376
I think it was, you
know, I'd wanna drink it.
677
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:08,812
I think it's classic.
678
00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:11,337
- It's very pure.
679
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:14,296
It's expensive oak,
very well managed.
680
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:16,995
- A very ambitious wine, yeah.
681
00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:17,908
For good hors, but yeah.
- With a lot of polish,
682
00:33:17,952 --> 00:33:19,736
and a lot of forethought.
683
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,478
[dramatic music]
684
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:34,882
[ducks quacking]
685
00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:44,413
- [Madeline] Everyone
who's in the biz,
686
00:33:44,457 --> 00:33:47,808
and everyone who's a
serious wine enthusiast
687
00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,288
has that bottle.
688
00:33:49,331 --> 00:33:50,637
We all have a name for it.
689
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,943
I call it the a-ha wine.
690
00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:54,902
There's something
that happens to you
691
00:33:54,945 --> 00:33:58,862
when you taste this wine that
changes the way you see wine,
692
00:33:58,906 --> 00:34:01,778
and changes how you wanna
be involved with wine.
693
00:34:01,822 --> 00:34:03,476
It gets us on our path.
694
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,134
What are the bottles that got
the people that I look up to,
695
00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:10,004
what got them into wine?
696
00:34:11,918 --> 00:34:16,271
- So right, restaurants
always set right to left.
697
00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:19,882
So because this is off the
knife, and that's your angle.
698
00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:21,146
[clears throat]
699
00:34:21,188 --> 00:34:22,842
- But, if this is--
- Except we've got
700
00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:24,714
the small glass for our wines,
which this is the wrong size.
701
00:34:24,757 --> 00:34:26,716
- Oh, you've got a chip in
your glass, haven't you?
702
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,978
- I think that
needs to be changed.
703
00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:29,371
- How could they give
you a small glass?
704
00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:31,504
- It's because I drink
faster than anybody else.
705
00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:34,202
- Wait a minute, I'm known as
the fastest gun in the West.
706
00:34:34,246 --> 00:34:35,768
[Steven laughs]
- [Steven] Right, okay.
707
00:34:35,812 --> 00:34:39,947
- So I am so looking forward
to tasting this wine,
708
00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:43,429
which is the wine that
lit the flame for me.
709
00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:46,518
I think most people who
end up devoting their lives
710
00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:50,000
to wine have one seminal
bottle, don't they?
711
00:34:50,043 --> 00:34:54,614
And I was an impoverished
student at Oxford,
712
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:56,311
but I had a rich boyfriend
713
00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:59,009
and his father gave him
slightly too much money,
714
00:34:59,053 --> 00:35:01,621
much of which was spent
on wining and dining me.
715
00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:06,060
If I had said to my Oxford
friends okay, when I graduate,
716
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,627
I'm gonna get a job in
either food or wine,
717
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:09,933
they would've been
seriously shocked,
718
00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:11,152
and they would've said,
719
00:35:11,196 --> 00:35:14,024
what a waste of a
good Oxford education.
720
00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,984
[energetic music]
721
00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:21,684
I was first hired to be a
presenter of what I still think
722
00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,078
was the world's first
television series about wine.
723
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,862
It was called The
Wine Programme.
724
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,517
First the champagne,
725
00:35:28,561 --> 00:35:31,738
the best way of ingesting
carbon dioxide in the world.
726
00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,871
- We once had lunch
with Tony Blair
727
00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,091
when he was prime minister,
728
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:40,094
and he said that when he and
Cherie were a young couple,
729
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:43,445
they used to rush back in
the evenings to watch Jancis.
730
00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,753
- At that stage, the '80s
were a completely mad decade
731
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,320
for Nick and me.
732
00:35:48,363 --> 00:35:50,191
We got married in '81.
733
00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:52,541
We had our first child in '82.
734
00:35:52,585 --> 00:35:55,065
I made my first
television series.
735
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:56,502
I think I wrote four books,
736
00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:58,460
at least, in the
'80s if not five.
737
00:35:58,504 --> 00:35:59,809
- And it was also an era
738
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:04,118
where women couldn't
say no to anything.
739
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:05,728
They had to take everything on.
740
00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:09,776
- [Jancis] My generation was
absolutely determined to prove
741
00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:14,389
that we could be mothers and
successful career people.
742
00:36:14,433 --> 00:36:19,133
So when the Masters of
Wine said to me in '83,
743
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,918
how about doing the exam in '84?
744
00:36:21,962 --> 00:36:23,093
I should've said no.
745
00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:25,139
Nick said, "For
heaven's sake don't."
746
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:26,967
All my friends and
family said don't.
747
00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:30,449
I stood to lose so
much more by failing
748
00:36:30,492 --> 00:36:32,712
than I stood to gain by passing.
749
00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,541
- I think becoming an
MW was more difficult,
750
00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:38,544
and she was expecting
our second child.
751
00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:41,895
- But much to my amazement,
I did pass the first time.
752
00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:43,113
- [Nick] You know,
a bottle of wine
753
00:36:43,157 --> 00:36:44,811
is a bottle of wine
to most people,
754
00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:45,986
but actually, it's the stories
755
00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:49,163
behind the wine that
she's unearthed.
756
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,905
- It's a red Burgundy, 1959.
757
00:36:51,948 --> 00:36:53,123
The name of the vineyard
758
00:36:53,167 --> 00:36:55,604
is so glorious,
it's Les Amoureuses.
759
00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:57,432
The lovers, the female lovers.
760
00:36:57,476 --> 00:37:00,261
It's been laying for
who knows how long,
761
00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:03,090
in the cellars of
the late John Avery,
762
00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:07,355
a fellow Master of Wine, and
his family, after he died,
763
00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:10,271
they put most of
his wine collection
764
00:37:10,315 --> 00:37:13,666
into Christie's to sell,
but one of them remembered
765
00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:15,276
that this particular
wine was the one
766
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,583
that lit the flame for me, and
held it back from the sale.
767
00:37:17,626 --> 00:37:20,020
- Fantastic.
- which was so nice of them.
768
00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:24,416
- I mean honestly, I can't
imagine having my first bottle
769
00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:27,201
of wine that changes
me being a Burgundy.
770
00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,508
You can't even afford it today.
771
00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:32,989
- What's the Vogue
Amoureuses '59 worth?
772
00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:34,077
It's priceless.
773
00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:36,079
I mean, if there
was a dollar there
774
00:37:36,123 --> 00:37:40,214
it probably would
be $10,000 maybe.
775
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:42,303
- Well, it's certainly a
relic, that's for sure.
776
00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:43,739
[laughing]
777
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,872
- Just like me, a relic.
778
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:50,137
- What I loved about this
wine when I tasted it,
779
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:52,008
when I first tasted,
had it in the glass.
780
00:37:52,052 --> 00:37:55,098
Well A, it was a
million times better
781
00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:56,883
than student plonk, obviously.
782
00:37:56,926 --> 00:37:58,493
[laughing]
783
00:37:58,537 --> 00:38:00,190
But it wasn't ridiculously
784
00:38:00,234 --> 00:38:02,323
expensive in those day, I
mean, the price difference
785
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:04,107
between the top and the bottom
786
00:38:04,151 --> 00:38:07,850
of a wine list wasn't nearly
as great as it is today,
787
00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:12,899
but it was the perfume mainly,
just the haunting perfume.
788
00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:15,423
You're doing so well.
789
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:17,643
I'm so glad I don't
have to do this.
790
00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:20,080
[light music]
791
00:38:21,821 --> 00:38:23,039
- [Steven] God, what a color.
792
00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:24,606
- It is a marvelous
color, isn't it?
793
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:25,781
- [Nick] It's amazing.
794
00:38:26,913 --> 00:38:28,262
- What would you call that?
795
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,655
A sort of ruby.
796
00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:30,438
- Garnet.
797
00:38:30,482 --> 00:38:31,483
- Garnet.
798
00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:32,832
- Garnet, garnet, garnet.
799
00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:34,268
- I use garnet more
for slightly bluer,
800
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,791
but it's a personal thing.
801
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:37,880
Mm, it's rich, isn't it?
802
00:38:37,924 --> 00:38:40,579
Very, that is old
fashioned Burgundy.
803
00:38:40,622 --> 00:38:42,624
- Spectacular.
804
00:38:42,668 --> 00:38:44,017
- [Steven] But
almost, it's floral.
805
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,235
You've got wildflowers.
806
00:38:45,279 --> 00:38:47,542
There's almost a
touch of roses there.
807
00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:48,804
- [Jancis] It is.
808
00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:49,675
There is, isn't there?
- Dry roses, huh?
809
00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:51,285
- Yeah.
- Yeah, yeah.
810
00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:52,634
- You know what fascinates
me about this bottle?
811
00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:54,419
Is that usually when
wines get older like this,
812
00:38:54,462 --> 00:38:57,247
they tend to become
similar as they age,
813
00:38:57,291 --> 00:38:59,032
but this is still Pinot Noir.
814
00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:02,470
It still completely has the
character that you expect
815
00:39:02,514 --> 00:39:04,994
when you open something
spectacular from Burgundy.
816
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:08,215
- So today, Pinot
Noir is kind of like
817
00:39:08,258 --> 00:39:13,873
the most valuable and
most appreciated variety.
818
00:39:13,916 --> 00:39:15,353
- It is worshiped
819
00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:18,138
because there's so much
history associated with it.
820
00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:22,272
- Sometimes I think
it's stingy and sour.
821
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:23,796
- My favorite grape on
earth is Pinot Noir.
822
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,972
- Pinot Noir is like
a bad boyfriend,
823
00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:27,147
but you keep going back.
824
00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:43,903
- Then, let's go back
into the New World.
825
00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:44,773
I think maybe Oregon
826
00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:49,735
de-stemmed.
[light music]
827
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,261
Then, we have Larry Stone's
new project Lingua Franca.
828
00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:55,784
Larry Stone's a
Master Sommelier.
829
00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:57,873
He was Rajat Parr's mentor.
830
00:39:57,917 --> 00:40:00,615
Incredibly respected and
even though it's new,
831
00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,704
I think it's already becoming
832
00:40:02,748 --> 00:40:04,271
one of the greatest
spots in Oregon.
833
00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:05,533
- [Arvid] I think
wine number three
834
00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:06,882
relates to wine
number two a lot.
835
00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:11,409
Like it's the same kind
of palate of aromas.
836
00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:12,627
- I'm only bothered by the fact
837
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,281
that it smells like
a funeral home,
838
00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:16,152
because it's like
floral and bitter.
839
00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:17,371
[laughing]
840
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:19,155
I know, it sounds bad
but I'm just like,
841
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:20,374
I keep going back
and it's like--
842
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,767
- Can I quote you on this one?
[laughing]
843
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:23,246
- Yeah I mean, I'm sure
they will, but it's like--
844
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:24,378
- I think it says that on
the back label, actually.
845
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,032
[laughing]
846
00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:27,903
- It's interesting to see a
wine that has been worked on
847
00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:29,688
to get very specific aromatics,
848
00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:31,733
where the structure
is not yet here.
849
00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:33,822
There is a disconnect
between the two.
850
00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:35,345
- It's more distinct, as well.
851
00:40:35,389 --> 00:40:38,610
- I don't know that I agree
that's a worked on aspect.
852
00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:40,568
I think of this as like
a less of a perfect wine,
853
00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:43,310
but I don't know, it resonates
with me more for some reason.
854
00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,181
- Let's go on four.
- Let's go on four.
855
00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:46,139
- [Dustin] On to four.
856
00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:47,357
- Let's go to my country.
857
00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:48,576
[laughing]
858
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:49,403
- I don't know.
859
00:40:51,013 --> 00:40:52,580
I'd be really careful with
those kind of statements.
860
00:40:52,624 --> 00:40:55,278
- Oh, come on.
- I'm just saying, my country.
861
00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:56,410
No, it's funny.
862
00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,890
- Which my country now?
- It's amazing.
863
00:40:57,933 --> 00:41:00,196
- I've been in freaking
New York for 10 years now.
864
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,373
- Well, you can claim that--
[laughing]
865
00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:04,418
- [Sabato] New York's
not a country by the way.
866
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,245
- It's this country.
867
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:06,420
[laughing]
868
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,857
[light music]
869
00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:11,338
- Let's do this
next, so the By Farr.
870
00:41:18,345 --> 00:41:21,391
By Farr is the name of
this particular winery.
871
00:41:21,435 --> 00:41:23,306
They're in an area
called Geelong.
872
00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:25,961
That's a limestone spot
in Victoria, Australia
873
00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:29,399
and I think the wine
just screams like,
874
00:41:29,443 --> 00:41:33,665
fresh, elegant,
finessed, aromatic.
875
00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:35,536
You know, leaning on Burgundy.
876
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,233
- No, she thinks it's French.
877
00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:38,800
- I don't think it's either.
878
00:41:38,844 --> 00:41:41,020
- That's very By Farr.
- Yeah, that makes sense.
879
00:41:41,063 --> 00:41:43,849
- Very By Farr.
- That makes great sense.
880
00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:45,546
- [Sabato] Limestone
in Geelong, Australia.
881
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,548
- But it's very vegetable.
- But it's very vegetable.
882
00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:48,854
- Very vegetable.
883
00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:50,029
That's what it
makes me think of.
884
00:41:50,072 --> 00:41:51,378
- Like a whole cluster.
- That's why,
885
00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:53,380
that's it's very By Farr.
- Yeah.
886
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,819
- I just need to stop
you guys for a second.
887
00:41:57,863 --> 00:41:59,299
He just called the wine.
888
00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:02,258
Not just that it's Pinot Noir,
889
00:42:02,302 --> 00:42:05,392
that it's Australian,
that it's from Victoria,
890
00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:08,787
but the actual bottle of
wine from the producer.
891
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:11,616
- Let's reel it in instead of
trying to guess what it is,
892
00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:14,009
what are your
thoughts on the wine?
893
00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:15,663
- I mean, it sticks out
in this whole lineup.
894
00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,273
It definitely sticks out.
895
00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:18,753
There's a couple of things,
it's extreme in many directions.
896
00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:21,016
- [Michael] It's a strong
philosophy of wine making.
897
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,583
- [Dustin] Say it again.
898
00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:23,758
- It's a very strong philosophy
of wine making in this wine,
899
00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:25,020
whole cluster.
900
00:42:25,064 --> 00:42:26,413
- Whole cluster all
the way through.
901
00:42:26,456 --> 00:42:28,589
- But there's multiple
things, like it's turbid.
902
00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:31,723
At least my glass, it's
turbid, it's whole cluster,
903
00:42:31,766 --> 00:42:36,162
it's very intense
in all aspects.
904
00:42:36,205 --> 00:42:37,467
- Everything's on.
905
00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:39,165
I wrote, first got
everything intense.
906
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:40,949
It's just like, woo!
- You really tell though.
907
00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,255
- And a bit wild.
908
00:42:42,298 --> 00:42:44,431
- I like it, I like the
wild character of it.
909
00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:46,302
- Yeah, it's not afraid of
a point of view with that,
910
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:49,567
and saying hey, here's
what we're trying to be,
911
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:52,395
but I do think, you know, that
was one that stood out to me
912
00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:54,484
as being very off the charts
913
00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:56,138
with compared to the other ones.
914
00:42:56,182 --> 00:42:57,662
- At least with this one,
we're either getting drunk,
915
00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,315
or it's a wine we have
a lot to talk about.
916
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:00,708
- Yeah.
- Well exactly.
917
00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:01,840
- [Sabato] Or you just
get drunk and talk a lot.
918
00:43:01,883 --> 00:43:03,493
- Yes.
- Interestingly, I like it.
919
00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:04,756
I like I a lot.
- Maybe it's polarizing.
920
00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:05,800
- No, this is great,
this is exactly what--
921
00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:06,888
- It's supposed
to be polarizing.
922
00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:07,802
- It makes a lot
of sense, though
923
00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:09,412
'cause I feel like the style,
924
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:11,937
it's a very heart forward
wine, and I mean it's exactly
925
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,460
like what we're talking about.
- I like that word.
926
00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:14,722
- But this would also be one
that I think if you know,
927
00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,332
Michael loves this, he
puts it on the list.
928
00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:18,073
How many people can
he make a convert
929
00:43:18,117 --> 00:43:19,335
out of in the dining room?
930
00:43:19,379 --> 00:43:20,859
Like this is, if
you put one on there
931
00:43:20,902 --> 00:43:22,469
and you flesh out a list,
932
00:43:22,512 --> 00:43:24,384
but if you put a whole list
together of these then,
933
00:43:24,427 --> 00:43:26,125
of this style of wine,
934
00:43:26,168 --> 00:43:28,214
that's when I think it
gets a little bit too much.
935
00:43:28,257 --> 00:43:29,824
- I like your comment
about savory though,
936
00:43:29,868 --> 00:43:32,435
and like that wine
doesn't have to be fruity.
937
00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:33,611
It doesn't only have to be
938
00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:37,702
like this fruit
thing or earth thing.
939
00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:41,183
I mean savory is a good quality
to have in a wine with food.
940
00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:42,532
I mean, think about that.
941
00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:44,404
- Wine is a plant first.
- Right.
942
00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:47,450
- And then it's a fruit, so
I'm kind of tired of wines
943
00:43:47,494 --> 00:43:49,627
that just show one
side or the other.
944
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:51,019
It's great to have both.
945
00:43:51,063 --> 00:43:51,933
- Well, you know what?
946
00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:53,195
That's always a problem.
947
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,675
What we sommeliers
like sometimes
948
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,069
is not what the consumer likes.
949
00:43:57,112 --> 00:43:59,549
What we look on
challenges, and savoriness,
950
00:43:59,593 --> 00:44:02,770
and all this high acid
components, typically,
951
00:44:02,814 --> 00:44:04,424
and again, this
sounds like negative
952
00:44:04,467 --> 00:44:06,905
but it's not meant that way,
the consumer doesn't like.
953
00:44:06,948 --> 00:44:07,819
- Yet, yet, yet.
954
00:44:07,862 --> 00:44:09,168
- They want more smoother wines.
955
00:44:09,211 --> 00:44:10,473
Yeah no, but it's
an evolving thing.
956
00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:12,040
- [Arvid] You have to
recalibrate yourself
957
00:44:12,084 --> 00:44:13,520
once every few months,
you gotta like--
958
00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:16,305
- But you also have to be
an advocate for the guest.
959
00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:17,611
- But if you pour this by the,
960
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,178
if this was your by
the glass Pinot Noir--
961
00:44:19,221 --> 00:44:20,179
- [Laura] If it was your only
Pinot Noir that you have--
962
00:44:20,222 --> 00:44:21,789
- Like, you're fired.
[laughing]
963
00:44:21,833 --> 00:44:25,140
[light music]
964
00:44:25,184 --> 00:44:27,577
- Putting together a
successful restaurant wine list
965
00:44:27,621 --> 00:44:29,536
is incredibly hard.
966
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:32,757
You have to consider
the business part first,
967
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,106
which is you can't just go out
968
00:44:34,149 --> 00:44:35,977
and buy every single
bottle of wine
969
00:44:36,021 --> 00:44:38,588
so you can have the
biggest wine list.
970
00:44:38,632 --> 00:44:40,939
I mean, really curating
a wine list is like,
971
00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:43,550
you have to have a
lot of fucking talent.
972
00:44:51,036 --> 00:44:53,647
- I picked this wine today
because the '68 Ridge
973
00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:57,172
to me is one of the great
wines from the naissance
974
00:44:57,216 --> 00:45:01,133
of the super premium
California wine industry.
975
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:02,395
This wine was actually made
976
00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:03,831
not by Paul Draper,
by Dave Bennion.
977
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,487
Dave was a very, very
good friend of mine.
978
00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:08,662
I had dinner with
him on Friday night
979
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:09,837
before he was killed
in a car accident,
980
00:45:09,881 --> 00:45:11,883
with he and his wife Fran,
981
00:45:11,926 --> 00:45:13,406
I still miss him today.
- That was '88, right?
982
00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:14,189
- '88, yes.
983
00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:15,887
It was sad, sad day.
984
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:17,889
So we're gonna drink
something today
985
00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:19,238
that is dear to my heart,
986
00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:20,761
because you really
see the beginning.
987
00:45:20,805 --> 00:45:23,416
I mean, who in their lifetime
gets to see the beginning?
988
00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:29,248
[classical music]
[waves crashing]
989
00:45:29,291 --> 00:45:30,728
- [Narrator] Fred was sommelier
990
00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:34,340
at one of the most legendary
restaurants in America,
991
00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:36,646
the Sardine Factory in
Monterey, California.
992
00:45:37,604 --> 00:45:39,780
- Our wine list was
fantastic at the time.
993
00:45:39,824 --> 00:45:42,348
It was all French and
Italian, European,
994
00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:44,611
and the last page in those days,
995
00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:46,613
you're talking about
early '60s, '70s.
996
00:45:46,656 --> 00:45:48,484
The last page were
American wines.
997
00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:52,750
- [Fred] Now that restaurant
was, it was crazy.
998
00:45:52,793 --> 00:45:55,927
It was fine dining, and that
was kind of a new thing for,
999
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:57,450
I mean there was a few
restaurants in Monterey,
1000
00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,539
but then and Cannery
Row started booming,
1001
00:45:59,582 --> 00:46:00,758
and Ted calls me up and he says,
1002
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:02,281
"I wanna show you something."
1003
00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:04,109
He takes me on this beautiful
wine cellar underground.
1004
00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:06,111
Gorgeous, huge, empty.
1005
00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:07,808
Why don't you come take this
job, come back and fill it up,
1006
00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:10,811
and build me the greatest
wine cellar in America?
1007
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:12,639
Pretty good challenge.
1008
00:46:12,682 --> 00:46:16,425
- So here was this
guy, big guy. [laughs]
1009
00:46:16,469 --> 00:46:19,167
That was just
championing fine wine
1010
00:46:19,211 --> 00:46:21,213
and putting it on his list.
1011
00:46:21,256 --> 00:46:23,737
Nobody else that I knew of
1012
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,826
in this part of the
country was doing.
1013
00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:28,350
- We were the first
restaurants in the world.
1014
00:46:28,394 --> 00:46:34,182
We took the wines and
incorporated the Cabernets
1015
00:46:34,226 --> 00:46:35,488
with the Cabernets in Europe.
1016
00:46:35,531 --> 00:46:37,142
We just put 'em
on the same page,
1017
00:46:37,185 --> 00:46:39,622
the French and the American,
and the equivalent.
1018
00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:42,669
Well, the wine people who
used to do the wine list
1019
00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:45,324
said they'd laugh us
out of the business.
1020
00:46:45,367 --> 00:46:46,804
I said, "Really?"
1021
00:46:46,847 --> 00:46:48,544
I said, "Well, let 'em laugh
us out of the business."
1022
00:46:48,588 --> 00:46:50,677
And it became a huge success.
1023
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,332
[light music]
1024
00:46:55,595 --> 00:46:57,162
- [Man] He built
one of the deepest
1025
00:46:57,205 --> 00:46:59,991
and most complex wine lists
that this country's ever seen.
1026
00:47:00,034 --> 00:47:03,124
- And of course we won
the Wine Spectator Awards,
1027
00:47:03,168 --> 00:47:05,735
and we got all kinds
of recognition under
his leadership.
1028
00:47:05,779 --> 00:47:09,478
- [Man] The Wine Spectator
Grand Award is the brass ring
1029
00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:13,047
that wine savvy
restaurateurs are going for.
1030
00:47:13,091 --> 00:47:15,615
- There was a lot
of competition.
1031
00:47:15,658 --> 00:47:17,573
Everybody wanted to be
on that cover every year.
1032
00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:19,184
- In order to get a Grand Award,
1033
00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:23,449
you have to arguably have
1034
00:47:23,492 --> 00:47:26,626
the best example of
a particular region
1035
00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:29,281
in your wine list, in the world.
1036
00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:31,500
- [Fred] We made it every
year during my tenure.
1037
00:47:31,544 --> 00:47:33,502
- There are restaurateurs
that swear by the fact
1038
00:47:33,546 --> 00:47:37,332
that their wine profits doubled
the year that they got it.
1039
00:47:37,376 --> 00:47:40,596
- [Fred] You had to constantly
keep rethinking, rechanging,
1040
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,816
and moving things around,
acquiring new things.
1041
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,079
Keeping an eye on new regions
that might be coming along
1042
00:47:45,123 --> 00:47:46,776
that you wanna be there first.
1043
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:47,865
- [Jay] Restaurant owners began
1044
00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:52,086
to look at wine as
a profit center,
1045
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:54,132
and one of the reasons that
you came to a restaurant,
1046
00:47:54,175 --> 00:47:57,875
instead of just something that
helped along with the menu.
1047
00:47:57,918 --> 00:47:59,093
- He'd be always be able
1048
00:47:59,137 --> 00:48:00,834
to get a deal on
some of these wines,
1049
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:04,055
and, you know, getting wines
at that particular time,
1050
00:48:04,098 --> 00:48:05,360
you were able to buy some
1051
00:48:05,404 --> 00:48:07,928
very inexpensively that
became very expensive.
1052
00:48:07,972 --> 00:48:09,974
- He'd go to Europe
a couple of times,
1053
00:48:10,017 --> 00:48:12,715
then he'd come back and I'd
get these huge bills, you know,
1054
00:48:12,759 --> 00:48:14,021
you wanna strangle him.
[laughing]
1055
00:48:14,065 --> 00:48:15,762
I'd say, "Freddy,
what are we doing?
1056
00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:18,069
"We have a wine museum here
or do we have a restaurant?"
1057
00:48:18,112 --> 00:48:20,723
One time he bought
a case in Kentfield,
1058
00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:21,986
a couple thousand dollars.
1059
00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:24,205
I said, "Freddy, what
the heck are you doing?"
1060
00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:28,122
He said, "Last night I just a
bottle for 700 or 800 bucks."
1061
00:48:28,166 --> 00:48:30,777
I said, "Well good Freddy,
why didn't you buy two cases?"
1062
00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:31,691
[laughing]
1063
00:48:31,734 --> 00:48:32,953
- I wanna be like Fred Dame.
1064
00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:34,781
I wanna have that
wine list that's like,
1065
00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:37,305
maybe not as deep
'cause I pay the bills,
1066
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:39,264
but like Sardine
Factory, you know?
1067
00:48:40,961 --> 00:48:42,528
- So I think I'm
gonna pull this cork.
1068
00:48:42,571 --> 00:48:44,095
What do you guys think?
- I think you should, yes.
1069
00:48:44,138 --> 00:48:46,880
And I love these
California Cabernets
1070
00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:51,754
from the era before they all
went mad on high alcohol and--
1071
00:48:51,798 --> 00:48:53,147
- What's the alcohol
on this wine?
1072
00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:56,194
- Didn't I look, is it 12.9?
- 12.7.
1073
00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:57,891
- 12.7, isn't that brilliant?
[laughing]
1074
00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:59,197
- [Fred] Those were the days.
1075
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,676
- [Steven] But they
didn't get into that act
1076
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,592
until the mid '80s.
- Nice and clean.
1077
00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,943
- '90s even
- Yeah '90s, yeah.
1078
00:49:07,161 --> 00:49:09,424
- Back in 1968,
Cabernet Sauvignon
1079
00:49:09,468 --> 00:49:11,731
was an experiment
outside of Bordeaux.
1080
00:49:11,774 --> 00:49:14,864
Today, it's the world's
most planted grape.
1081
00:49:14,908 --> 00:49:17,041
- Give me, give me a moment.
1082
00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:19,565
- [Jancis] This is a
special moment for Mr. Dame.
1083
00:49:19,608 --> 00:49:20,827
We have to--
1084
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:22,133
- The tannin is
incredible on this.
1085
00:49:22,176 --> 00:49:23,177
- [Jancis] It is, it's
always been, hasn't it?
1086
00:49:23,221 --> 00:49:24,265
It's always been--
1087
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,919
- I mean, that's
been a hallmark,
1088
00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,181
particularly from
that low alcohol.
1089
00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:30,576
- What we've seen I
would say in California,
1090
00:49:30,619 --> 00:49:35,624
is that it's slightly coming
back to more like this style.
1091
00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:42,327
Having gone kind of massively
alcoholic, and ripe and sweet.
1092
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:45,852
And there are more
and more producers
1093
00:49:45,895 --> 00:49:47,288
aiming for a style like this,
1094
00:49:47,332 --> 00:49:50,465
but not everyone
because they can sell
1095
00:49:50,509 --> 00:49:52,685
bottles of Cult
Cabernet hand over fist
1096
00:49:52,728 --> 00:49:56,689
in your part of the
world at high prices.
1097
00:49:56,732 --> 00:50:00,736
- I'm gonna lay this
one on the critics.
1098
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:01,955
[laughing]
1099
00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:03,478
- Pas moi.
1100
00:50:03,522 --> 00:50:06,786
- Exactly, because I
think the scoring system,
1101
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:08,831
and not that you weren't
doing the best you could
1102
00:50:08,875 --> 00:50:10,877
within the system
you were handed,
1103
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,925
but it created a generation
of collectors and consumers
1104
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,406
that stopped thinking
on their own.
1105
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:19,886
- [Narrator] Basically
starting like the early '90s
1106
00:50:19,929 --> 00:50:21,757
is where you really started
to see the impact of this,
1107
00:50:21,801 --> 00:50:23,890
is the Parkerization of wine.
1108
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:25,544
[light music]
1109
00:50:25,587 --> 00:50:26,980
- I was the first
person to write
1110
00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:29,113
a profile of Robert
Parker in Britain.
1111
00:50:29,156 --> 00:50:30,592
We were good friends.
1112
00:50:30,636 --> 00:50:32,986
He came to my house for dinner,
1113
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,902
I went to his house for
dinner, I love his wife.
1114
00:50:37,077 --> 00:50:38,383
- Robert Parker is probably
1115
00:50:38,426 --> 00:50:41,603
the first modern day
wine critic, really.
1116
00:50:41,647 --> 00:50:43,127
He started a publication
1117
00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:46,347
back in 1978 called
The Wine Advocate,
1118
00:50:46,391 --> 00:50:50,873
and he developed a
very unique system
1119
00:50:50,917 --> 00:50:54,094
of rating wines, the
100 point system.
1120
00:50:54,138 --> 00:50:57,880
- [Narrator] His intention for
creating the 100 point system
1121
00:50:57,924 --> 00:51:02,276
as broad stroke and
subjective as it may be,
1122
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,931
was to say to people,
here are great wineries
1123
00:51:04,974 --> 00:51:06,150
that are doing things right.
1124
00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:07,847
- You could argue that
it's not his fault
1125
00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:10,328
that it became so influential.
1126
00:51:10,371 --> 00:51:14,506
It is a shame that
I think his taste
1127
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:18,075
came to dominate wine
production around the world.
1128
00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:19,467
- [Man] Parker likes big wines.
1129
00:51:19,511 --> 00:51:21,687
Powerful, steakhouse wines,
1130
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:23,297
lots of structure,
lots of tannin.
1131
00:51:23,341 --> 00:51:25,343
- [Man] Wineries
started making wines
1132
00:51:25,386 --> 00:51:27,127
so they could get
those 100 point scores,
1133
00:51:27,171 --> 00:51:28,215
and sell a crap ton of it.
1134
00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:31,088
- It just seems crazy to have
1135
00:51:31,131 --> 00:51:36,005
this whole giant world of
wine dictated by one palate.
1136
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:39,661
- You know, it's no secret
that Bob really would come out
1137
00:51:39,705 --> 00:51:44,057
with some very positive views
on riper styles of wine,
1138
00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:47,582
but that is not to say that
that was the only style of wine.
1139
00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:52,587
- If that man loves
rich, oaky, high alcohol,
1140
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:57,549
low tannin wines, he's
entitled to that opinion.
1141
00:51:57,592 --> 00:51:59,942
- I don't agree with a
lot of, with his taste.
1142
00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:02,945
He has very different
taste in wine from mine,
1143
00:52:02,989 --> 00:52:04,077
but that's fine.
1144
00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:05,470
- You read a bunch of critics
1145
00:52:05,513 --> 00:52:08,429
and you find the
critic you agree with,
1146
00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:10,475
and then you stick
with what they say.
1147
00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:16,698
- In the early '70s,
1148
00:52:16,742 --> 00:52:19,179
California was trying the
hardest it damn well could
1149
00:52:19,223 --> 00:52:21,703
and making wines
from the vineyard,
1150
00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:27,361
and in the early 2000s, they
were resting on their laurels.
1151
00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:28,580
In the early '70s,
1152
00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:29,885
France was resting
entirely on its laurels
1153
00:52:29,929 --> 00:52:31,626
basically around
the entire world,
1154
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:33,367
and by the 2000s came along,
1155
00:52:33,411 --> 00:52:36,022
they were making the best
wine they possibly could,
1156
00:52:36,065 --> 00:52:38,329
and I think it's now come
to an equal position.
1157
00:52:38,372 --> 00:52:40,766
Everyone is making the best
wine they possibly can.
1158
00:52:40,809 --> 00:52:42,028
- Or else.
1159
00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:43,464
- Or else they don't sell it.
[laughing]
1160
00:52:43,508 --> 00:52:45,640
- They fall out of the race.
- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1161
00:52:45,684 --> 00:52:46,554
- Yeah.
1162
00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:47,251
- And boy do you fall out fast.
1163
00:52:47,294 --> 00:52:48,861
- Yeah.
1164
00:52:48,904 --> 00:52:51,385
- You make one mistake
today, everybody's on you.
1165
00:52:51,429 --> 00:52:54,040
[light music]
1166
00:53:06,879 --> 00:53:08,185
- [Dustin] Also from Burgundy,
1167
00:53:08,228 --> 00:53:10,535
but from the Cote de
Nuits is Domaine Bachelet.
1168
00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:12,014
Bachelet is in
Gevrey-Chambertin.
1169
00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:14,843
Bachelet is really one of
the greats from Burgundy.
1170
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:20,588
- That was very fruity for me.
- Yep.
1171
00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:22,373
- This was the first one that
took me to the New World.
1172
00:53:22,416 --> 00:53:24,113
This is one back to
the by the glass,
1173
00:53:24,157 --> 00:53:25,332
if you poured this by the glass
1174
00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:26,333
I think you'd make a
lot of people happy.
1175
00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:27,552
- You'd make a lot of money.
1176
00:53:27,595 --> 00:53:29,118
- Yeah well, it depends
how much it costs.
1177
00:53:29,162 --> 00:53:31,338
It tasted well made
and I think almost like
1178
00:53:32,861 --> 00:53:34,559
for lack of a better word,
like shinier than the others.
1179
00:53:34,602 --> 00:53:35,821
Like it was more polished up.
1180
00:53:35,864 --> 00:53:37,214
- I would buy this.
- Yeah.
1181
00:53:37,257 --> 00:53:39,955
- It's my test of like
whether it's a good wine.
1182
00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:41,522
- But the fruit's
really perfect.
1183
00:53:41,566 --> 00:53:44,177
It's really sweet, it's
really forward in the glass.
1184
00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:48,268
- And then Domaine de la Cote.
1185
00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:50,966
[light music]
1186
00:53:57,538 --> 00:54:01,977
Then from California, wanted
to showcase Domaine de la Cote.
1187
00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:05,851
Domaine de la Cote is run by
Rajat Parr in Santa Barbara.
1188
00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:07,983
- This is a fun one 'cause
I really did not like this
1189
00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,638
when I just went
through it quickly,
1190
00:54:10,682 --> 00:54:12,684
and it might be the fact that
it ended up last in the lineup
1191
00:54:12,727 --> 00:54:15,991
and it felt a little
like simple, light.
1192
00:54:16,035 --> 00:54:20,474
Going back to it, I don't
hate it at all anymore.
1193
00:54:20,518 --> 00:54:22,084
- I mean talk about
the veg and the fruit,
1194
00:54:22,128 --> 00:54:24,130
I think this one has a great--
- Everything.
1195
00:54:24,173 --> 00:54:26,132
- A great relationship
between the two
1196
00:54:26,175 --> 00:54:28,874
that are really harmonious
compared to some of the others.
1197
00:54:28,917 --> 00:54:30,267
It's almost like Goldilocks.
1198
00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:31,833
Like this one was too
much, this was too little,
1199
00:54:31,877 --> 00:54:34,009
then this one's like
just right in that sense.
1200
00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:37,186
- And look, it is the one which
has so far the most terroir.
1201
00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:38,579
- My first note was
that it still has
1202
00:54:38,623 --> 00:54:40,407
some of that sort of what
I call fake elegance.
1203
00:54:40,451 --> 00:54:41,756
- Pretty and confected.
- Like someone was really
1204
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,801
trying to make an elegant--
- Debutante.
1205
00:54:42,844 --> 00:54:45,499
- Yeah.
- Debutante. [laughs]
1206
00:54:45,543 --> 00:54:49,111
- I saw it and I don't know,
I might, I'll need more.
1207
00:54:49,155 --> 00:54:50,722
I need another
glass of this wine.
1208
00:54:50,765 --> 00:54:53,159
[light music]
1209
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:01,950
- Alright guys, so
I'm gonna come around
1210
00:55:01,994 --> 00:55:03,648
and just collect your sheets.
1211
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,085
Alright.
1212
00:55:07,086 --> 00:55:08,348
Thank you.
1213
00:55:08,392 --> 00:55:09,958
- How do we know if
Russia interfered
1214
00:55:10,002 --> 00:55:12,483
with this tasting today?
[laughing]
1215
00:55:14,876 --> 00:55:16,922
- So, let's see here.
1216
00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:20,578
We had ended up
having for top picks.
1217
00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,754
- There are three number two.
- Three number twos.
1218
00:55:22,797 --> 00:55:24,625
- And two number sixes.
- Two number sixes.
1219
00:55:24,669 --> 00:55:26,540
A four, and a five.
1220
00:55:26,584 --> 00:55:28,890
- Nine plus four.
- Plus one, 14.
1221
00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:31,850
- [Michael] This is where
the Russians get involved.
1222
00:55:31,893 --> 00:55:32,938
- [Pascaline] Attention.
1223
00:55:34,113 --> 00:55:35,201
- Two.
- I heard a Russian accent
1224
00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:36,768
come out earlier.
1225
00:55:36,811 --> 00:55:38,160
I was like, I don't know if
she should be tallying this up.
1226
00:55:38,204 --> 00:55:40,075
- Five, you agree?
- Yeah.
1227
00:55:41,816 --> 00:55:44,602
- Three and seven.
- Huh!
1228
00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:45,864
- Yeah.
- Okay.
1229
00:55:46,865 --> 00:55:48,127
- 14, exactly.
- Wow.
1230
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,302
- Wow.
- Thank you.
1231
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,435
- Oh wow.
- That's the exercise.
1232
00:55:51,478 --> 00:55:53,045
- 14 and 14.
- Arvid cheated.
1233
00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:56,657
- It's tied, it's tied.
- Two and six tied.
1234
00:55:56,701 --> 00:55:59,007
[light music]
1235
00:55:59,051 --> 00:56:00,531
- You know, the idea
for the tasting was
1236
00:56:00,574 --> 00:56:03,229
that basically great Pinot
Noir can come from anywhere.
1237
00:56:03,272 --> 00:56:06,188
I'm really excited to see
what you guys think here
1238
00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:08,190
after going through this.
1239
00:56:08,234 --> 00:56:09,714
Okay, so the way we'll do this.
1240
00:56:09,757 --> 00:56:10,541
We're gonna go three, two, one
1241
00:56:11,803 --> 00:56:14,240
and then we'll have
the others afterwards.
1242
00:56:14,283 --> 00:56:17,548
Alright so, in third place
taking a bronze medal.
1243
00:56:17,591 --> 00:56:19,158
- Our third favorite.
- It's number five.
1244
00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:23,945
- Number five, which is
Bachelet Corbeaux '15.
1245
00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:26,121
[clapping]
1246
00:56:26,165 --> 00:56:28,210
- That's a little too
expensive for by the glass.
1247
00:56:28,254 --> 00:56:30,256
[laughing]
1248
00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:33,041
I don't know, maybe about
the Danny Meyer group, but...
1249
00:56:33,085 --> 00:56:34,216
[laughing]
1250
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:35,435
- Let's keep in mind
1251
00:56:35,479 --> 00:56:38,090
that the next two
wines had a tie score.
1252
00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:39,352
- Yes.
1253
00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:40,614
- But we're gonna pull
it out in the order
1254
00:56:40,658 --> 00:56:44,139
that we've decided to do
this here, to rank them.
1255
00:56:44,183 --> 00:56:45,532
So the next one.
1256
00:56:45,576 --> 00:56:46,141
- That one's gonna be tight.
- I'm stressed out.
1257
00:56:46,185 --> 00:56:47,621
I'm stressed out.
1258
00:56:50,494 --> 00:56:53,584
- Is Domaine de la Cote.
- Oh.
1259
00:56:54,846 --> 00:56:56,761
- Bloom's Field.
- Interessante.
1260
00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:59,285
- This was six, yeah.
- That was number six.
1261
00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:00,939
[laughing]
1262
00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:02,201
- Wow.
- And then...
1263
00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:05,770
[all cheer]
1264
00:57:05,813 --> 00:57:07,380
- I feel pretty
solid about this.
1265
00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:11,253
- That's my Burgundy.
- Alright, we'll take it.
1266
00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:12,429
Saved us the embarrassment.
1267
00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:14,561
- That's says something, huh?
1268
00:57:14,605 --> 00:57:18,347
[light instrumental music]
1269
00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:21,829
- So this is I think very,
1270
00:57:21,873 --> 00:57:23,309
very telling.
- That's a nice,
1271
00:57:23,352 --> 00:57:24,615
organized setup.
- It's really interesting.
1272
00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:26,138
- That says something
how good that wine is.
1273
00:57:26,181 --> 00:57:29,402
- I thought it was
Chambordesque, the Volnay.
1274
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,449
- Yeah, that one
was freakin' great.
1275
00:57:32,492 --> 00:57:33,754
[laughing]
1276
00:57:33,798 --> 00:57:38,803
- Well so, you know,
these two wines were,
1277
00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:41,283
you know, they tied.
- Yeah.
1278
00:57:41,327 --> 00:57:43,460
- It's really cool.
- That's so cool.
1279
00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:51,206
- [Man] In the town of Volnay,
1280
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,340
to me there's very few producers
1281
00:57:54,383 --> 00:57:56,777
that can compete with
Marquis d'Angerville.
1282
00:57:56,821 --> 00:57:59,432
[light music]
1283
00:58:03,784 --> 00:58:07,701
- The person who has
Domaine Marquis d'Angerville
1284
00:58:07,745 --> 00:58:09,007
in d'Angerville,
1285
00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:13,315
he's taken on an
epic, epic estate,
1286
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,362
and they are some of the most
compelling wines in the world.
1287
00:58:16,405 --> 00:58:18,712
- This Domaine has been in
my family for 200 years.
1288
00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:22,194
I'm only the sixth
generation running it.
1289
00:58:22,237 --> 00:58:24,196
- Some of the vessels
they use for fermentation,
1290
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,764
these large vats are hundreds,
and hundreds of years.
1291
00:58:26,807 --> 00:58:29,070
They have no idea
how far they go back.
1292
00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,942
So we're talking about
a time honored tradition
1293
00:58:30,985 --> 00:58:32,117
at that winery.
1294
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:36,338
- For me my favorite,
favorite, favorite region,
1295
00:58:36,382 --> 00:58:38,819
favorite little village
in Burgundy for sure.
1296
00:58:41,735 --> 00:58:46,131
- I think I met Raj about
seven, eight years ago.
1297
00:58:46,174 --> 00:58:48,263
Every time he comes
to taste here,
1298
00:58:48,307 --> 00:58:51,266
I learn something from
him on my own wines.
1299
00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:54,443
[suspenseful music]
1300
00:58:54,487 --> 00:58:57,577
[metal clanking]
1301
00:58:57,621 --> 00:59:00,928
- Since I was 10-years-old,
I wanted to be a chef.
1302
00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:05,498
I came from India.
1303
00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:06,847
My native language was Hindi,
1304
00:59:06,891 --> 00:59:09,850
but in India English
is a first language,
1305
00:59:09,894 --> 00:59:14,072
but definitely Hindi was, you
know, what we speak at home.
1306
00:59:15,334 --> 00:59:20,295
I came to New York in
'94 to cooking school,
1307
00:59:20,339 --> 00:59:23,298
to The Culinary Institute of
America in Hyde Park, New York.
1308
00:59:23,342 --> 00:59:24,822
- [Narrator] He
wanted to head west,
1309
00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:28,390
got a job at Rubicon
under a Master Sommelier,
1310
00:59:28,434 --> 00:59:31,350
Larry Stone, and he
got to learn under one
1311
00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:32,569
of the greatest wine
tasters in the world.
1312
00:59:32,612 --> 00:59:34,571
- I had a six month visa,
1313
00:59:34,614 --> 00:59:37,138
so after six months
I had to go back,
1314
00:59:37,182 --> 00:59:40,620
but luckily, Larry Stone
decided to sponsor me
1315
00:59:40,664 --> 00:59:43,405
and that's the reason
I'm still here today.
1316
00:59:43,449 --> 00:59:45,625
I consider myself as
an American winemaker,
1317
00:59:45,669 --> 00:59:48,410
even though I'm
from Indian origins.
1318
00:59:48,454 --> 00:59:49,977
- [Narrator] He's
somebody who travels a lot
1319
00:59:50,021 --> 00:59:52,545
and tastes a lot and that's
what the most important thing is
1320
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,373
to programing your taste
and your experience
1321
00:59:54,416 --> 00:59:56,418
of what you know
about the world.
1322
00:59:56,462 --> 00:59:58,464
- [Man] He has an encyclopedia
1323
00:59:58,507 --> 01:00:01,380
in his mind, in his
nose, in his mouth.
1324
01:00:01,423 --> 01:00:04,949
- When I tasted Burgundy
for the first time in '96,
1325
01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:06,254
I was like, "Wow."
1326
01:00:06,298 --> 01:00:07,560
So then I went there,
1327
01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,432
and I've been back every
year since '96 to today.
1328
01:00:11,433 --> 01:00:13,348
I haven't worked in
a restaurant in like
1329
01:00:13,392 --> 01:00:15,742
well over four years.
1330
01:00:15,786 --> 01:00:17,352
In fact, when I'm
in a restaurant,
1331
01:00:17,396 --> 01:00:18,876
I get a little anxiety
sometimes going like,
1332
01:00:18,919 --> 01:00:21,966
"Oh wow, I should do something."
1333
01:00:22,009 --> 01:00:23,532
But no, I don't
wanna do anything
1334
01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:25,404
'cause that life
is behind me now.
1335
01:00:25,447 --> 01:00:28,189
- [Narrator] It's like Michael
Jordan switching to baseball.
1336
01:00:28,233 --> 01:00:31,497
You're one of the greatest
sommeliers in the world,
1337
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:33,847
and you decide to make a
switch into wine making
1338
01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:35,327
and actually leave the floor?
1339
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:36,415
It's a bold move.
1340
01:00:38,025 --> 01:00:41,812
- [Raj] I think the reason
I kind of became involved
1341
01:00:41,855 --> 01:00:46,468
in making wine is basically
here to satisfy a dream,
1342
01:00:46,512 --> 01:00:51,169
the thirst of finding a place,
a new place in the new world,
1343
01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:53,519
where you can grow Pinot Noir.
1344
01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:56,261
- He's been on a mission
to kind of tell this story,
1345
01:00:56,304 --> 01:00:57,436
and he's been a big believer
1346
01:00:57,479 --> 01:00:59,394
in Santa Barbara
for a long time.
1347
01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:01,527
For his wines to perform at
this high level like this,
1348
01:01:01,570 --> 01:01:02,963
with tasters like that,
1349
01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:06,140
and to be compared to
some great Burgundy,
1350
01:01:06,184 --> 01:01:08,273
I think is phenomenal.
1351
01:01:08,316 --> 01:01:10,667
[light music]
1352
01:01:29,294 --> 01:01:31,905
- So this is the third
wine of the afternoon,
1353
01:01:33,472 --> 01:01:37,563
and the wines of Jancis and
Fred have been very emotional.
1354
01:01:37,606 --> 01:01:39,173
I think mine is probably
the most emotional
1355
01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:42,481
because I was 13 years
and four months old
1356
01:01:42,524 --> 01:01:44,701
when I first tasted this wine,
1357
01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:48,530
and it's a Cockburn's 1908 Port.
1358
01:01:51,446 --> 01:01:52,883
My grandfather turned
to me and said,
1359
01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:55,668
"I think you're old enough
for a glass of Port."
1360
01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:56,930
I took a taste.
1361
01:01:56,974 --> 01:02:00,107
It just knocked my
socks off, and I said,
1362
01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:02,066
"Gosh grandpa, what's this?"
1363
01:02:02,109 --> 01:02:03,981
"Cockburn '08, my boy."
1364
01:02:04,024 --> 01:02:06,984
And at the time, like
a lot of my colleagues,
1365
01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:08,681
I collected stamps,
1366
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:11,728
and I was reading at school
about history and geography,
1367
01:02:11,771 --> 01:02:14,513
and Cockburn's '08
had what stamps had.
1368
01:02:14,556 --> 01:02:17,037
It had a date, it had a
country, it had a region,
1369
01:02:17,081 --> 01:02:19,561
and I began to, curious enough,
1370
01:02:19,605 --> 01:02:24,610
learn about wine through my
lessons without ever tasting it.
1371
01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:27,439
Fred, if you could open that?
1372
01:02:27,482 --> 01:02:28,353
- [Fred] I think I can do that.
1373
01:02:28,396 --> 01:02:29,658
- [Steven] You've got the wine
1374
01:02:29,702 --> 01:02:31,225
which sent me into
the wine trade.
1375
01:02:31,269 --> 01:02:33,967
- Steven is one of
those wise men now
1376
01:02:34,011 --> 01:02:36,230
in the wine industry,
in the wine world,
1377
01:02:36,274 --> 01:02:41,279
has become himself a winemaker
in the United Kingdom.
1378
01:02:42,759 --> 01:02:44,543
- [Madeline] Steven Spurrier's
making sparkling wines,
1379
01:02:44,586 --> 01:02:47,633
which technically speaking,
it's the hardest thing to make.
1380
01:02:47,676 --> 01:02:52,333
- I think Bride Valley is
a pretty brave enterprise,
1381
01:02:52,377 --> 01:02:55,772
because it's not by any means
1382
01:02:55,815 --> 01:03:00,689
a proven area for top
quality sparkling wine.
1383
01:03:01,778 --> 01:03:02,822
- [Madeline] The cool side.
1384
01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,432
He went to the
western, in Dorset.
1385
01:03:04,476 --> 01:03:08,088
In Dorset, England it gets the
whole wrath of the Atlantic,
1386
01:03:08,132 --> 01:03:11,439
so he gets a lot of rain,
which reduces the yields.
1387
01:03:11,483 --> 01:03:14,965
Not a lot of fruit comes
in, but if anyone can do it,
1388
01:03:15,008 --> 01:03:16,531
it's probably Spurrier.
1389
01:03:17,968 --> 01:03:19,621
- But it's farming.
1390
01:03:19,665 --> 01:03:24,365
I mean, I just sign the
checks and I sell the stuff.
1391
01:03:24,409 --> 01:03:26,672
I don't understand farming,
and farming annoys me
1392
01:03:26,715 --> 01:03:29,936
because farming doesn't work
the way I want it to work.
1393
01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:32,286
- But being the other side
of the table for once.
1394
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:35,637
You're the seller instead
of the buyer or the critic.
1395
01:03:35,681 --> 01:03:38,858
You're the person producing
the stuff, which is different.
1396
01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:40,773
You're contending with
things like weather
1397
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:41,774
that you can't control.
1398
01:03:43,254 --> 01:03:44,995
Doing a vineyard's the most
wildly stressful thing.
1399
01:03:45,038 --> 01:03:48,302
I get really upset when
you meet nice old people,
1400
01:03:48,346 --> 01:03:50,696
and they're retiring and they've
got some money set aside,
1401
01:03:50,739 --> 01:03:52,872
and they say, "Oh we've always
dreamt of having a vineyard."
1402
01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:54,091
And I think, don't.
1403
01:03:54,134 --> 01:03:57,094
Just don't do it, don't bother.
1404
01:03:57,137 --> 01:03:59,313
- But, I'm very happy
with the vineyard.
1405
01:03:59,357 --> 01:04:00,053
[cork pops]
1406
01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:02,751
[light music]
1407
01:04:06,886 --> 01:04:08,235
I think that's alright.
1408
01:04:08,279 --> 01:04:09,541
[Fred laughs]
1409
01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:11,369
- I'm hoping it's gonna
be more than alright.
1410
01:04:11,412 --> 01:04:14,111
I hope it's gonna be a
20, oh a lovely color.
1411
01:04:14,154 --> 01:04:14,938
Thank you.
1412
01:04:16,678 --> 01:04:17,549
Hmm.
1413
01:04:17,592 --> 01:04:18,811
- I mean, it's fortified.
1414
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,769
We have to admit this
is not a table wine.
1415
01:04:20,813 --> 01:04:22,206
It's a fortified wine,
1416
01:04:22,249 --> 01:04:25,122
but it's a fortified wine
which is 110-years-old,
1417
01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:27,341
and I don't see how anybody
1418
01:04:27,385 --> 01:04:29,561
could put more than 30
or 40 years on that.
1419
01:04:41,355 --> 01:04:42,574
- I'm just gonna let
you two keep talking
1420
01:04:42,617 --> 01:04:44,750
because I'm really
enjoying this.
1421
01:04:44,793 --> 01:04:46,317
[laughing]
1422
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,709
You know, you don't do this
every day of your life.
1423
01:04:47,753 --> 01:04:48,754
What is it they
said in Gladiator?
1424
01:04:48,797 --> 01:04:50,756
"Are you not entertained?"
1425
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,366
[laughing]
1426
01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:53,715
- It's a story in it, yeah.
- It's perfect, it's flawless.
1427
01:04:53,759 --> 01:04:54,847
- It is wonderful.
1428
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,767
It's certainly very,
very sweet obviously.
1429
01:05:01,810 --> 01:05:04,161
A little bit of orange peel.
- Burnt orange.
1430
01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:06,685
- Yeah, but it's got an
amazing freshness, as well.
1431
01:05:06,728 --> 01:05:09,993
One of those barky, spices.
1432
01:05:10,036 --> 01:05:12,691
It's not quite cinnamon,
something else.
1433
01:05:13,953 --> 01:05:15,389
It's got spice.
- A little nutmeg.
1434
01:05:15,433 --> 01:05:18,827
- Yes, maybe nutmeg.
- This is butterscotch.
1435
01:05:18,871 --> 01:05:20,960
- But it's more subtle than
butterscotch, don't you think?
1436
01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:23,876
- No, it's more vibrant
than butterscotch.
1437
01:05:26,879 --> 01:05:28,837
- The fruit's intact here.
- Yeah.
1438
01:05:28,881 --> 01:05:30,622
- You know, there's a freshness.
1439
01:05:30,665 --> 01:05:31,710
You're right.
1440
01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:33,451
You expect it to be, oh 1908,
1441
01:05:33,494 --> 01:05:34,669
it's gonna be really tired.
- It's not.
1442
01:05:34,713 --> 01:05:36,323
- Like an old tonic.
1443
01:05:36,367 --> 01:05:37,324
Like some 40-year-old tonic
or something, all tired out.
1444
01:05:37,368 --> 01:05:39,500
- No, it's revitalizing.
- Yeah.
1445
01:05:43,852 --> 01:05:45,767
- This is one of the
wines of the world
1446
01:05:45,811 --> 01:05:48,118
where you absolutely
have to wait
1447
01:05:48,161 --> 01:05:50,772
for decades before it
really shows itself.
1448
01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:53,688
- Yeah, I think Port as
a category is declining
1449
01:05:53,732 --> 01:05:56,778
rather than growing.
- Sadly.
1450
01:05:58,867 --> 01:06:00,478
- I told you, I can't think,
1451
01:06:00,521 --> 01:06:02,741
can't remember the last time I
actually had a glass of Port.
1452
01:06:02,784 --> 01:06:05,091
- When I first started
in wine in 2001,
1453
01:06:05,135 --> 01:06:09,269
people like loved their tawny
Port or their vintage Port,
1454
01:06:09,313 --> 01:06:12,707
but now I think people
are just in a rush.
1455
01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:16,276
- The idea of Port is not
fashionable, yet again.
1456
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,713
- You're so faddy, you
Americans, you know?
1457
01:06:18,757 --> 01:06:20,715
- Well no, what
happened to Port,
1458
01:06:20,759 --> 01:06:22,717
we have a problem in
the United States.
1459
01:06:22,761 --> 01:06:25,416
Not a problem, we have a reality
1460
01:06:25,459 --> 01:06:27,722
and that's that 95%
of the wine consumed
1461
01:06:27,766 --> 01:06:29,724
in the United States
of America is consumed
1462
01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:31,465
within eight hours of purchase.
1463
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,251
That is the reality of things.
1464
01:06:34,294 --> 01:06:36,731
So when you're talking about
aging wines and all that,
1465
01:06:36,775 --> 01:06:38,298
who cares, right?
1466
01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:40,909
And let's face it, it's
been foisted upon us
1467
01:06:40,953 --> 01:06:42,868
by the industry who don't
want us to age something.
1468
01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:44,261
They want us to buy
the next vintage.
1469
01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:45,914
- Yeah, buy and then
consume and then buy again.
1470
01:06:45,958 --> 01:06:46,785
- And then buy the next vintage.
1471
01:06:46,828 --> 01:06:48,047
That's the whole philosophy
1472
01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:49,048
of the American
production system,
1473
01:06:49,092 --> 01:06:50,571
and one thing I will say,
1474
01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:53,792
if you raise the
consciousness of a generation
1475
01:06:53,835 --> 01:06:58,101
to something that is just
different enough, and trust me,
1476
01:06:58,144 --> 01:07:00,103
these millennials are
just different enough,
1477
01:07:00,146 --> 01:07:01,756
they wanna be something crafty,
1478
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,063
and they wanna bedtime
story to go with it.
1479
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,152
- Well, there's lots of
bedtime story with this.
1480
01:07:06,196 --> 01:07:07,980
- This has a great
bedtime story.
1481
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:08,763
- Yeah.
1482
01:07:08,807 --> 01:07:11,157
[light music]
1483
01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:35,181
We're dying to know
how these were chosen.
1484
01:07:35,225 --> 01:07:36,704
[Dustin laughs]
1485
01:07:36,748 --> 01:07:38,097
- The last one's a lot darker.
1486
01:07:39,316 --> 01:07:41,100
It must have a bit
of burnt ash in it.
1487
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:48,673
- Thanks.
- Mm-hmm.
1488
01:07:48,716 --> 01:07:51,632
We put on a tasting in New York
1489
01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:54,635
and the purpose and the
idea behind the tasting
1490
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,552
was to kind of start a
conversation amongst sommeliers
1491
01:07:58,596 --> 01:08:01,120
about Pinot Noir and where
it grows in the world,
1492
01:08:01,164 --> 01:08:02,991
and how things are
kind of evolving.
1493
01:08:03,035 --> 01:08:05,951
Basically, some of
those top three wines,
1494
01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:08,649
the ones that we have
in front of us here,
1495
01:08:08,693 --> 01:08:09,955
basically were a tie.
1496
01:08:09,998 --> 01:08:12,000
They earned roughly the
same amount of points.
1497
01:08:12,044 --> 01:08:15,526
So it was a very, very close
call between these three wines.
1498
01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:17,093
So we thought it'd
be really interesting
1499
01:08:17,136 --> 01:08:20,139
to bring the wines here,
taste them with you all,
1500
01:08:20,183 --> 01:08:21,835
and basically do
the exact same thing
1501
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,057
and just to see where your
palates land with these wines.
1502
01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:28,321
- They do seem very
different to me, each one.
1503
01:08:28,365 --> 01:08:31,063
When I first tasted number one,
1504
01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,979
I thought maybe a little
bit too much green,
1505
01:08:35,023 --> 01:08:37,024
but it's actually growing on me.
1506
01:08:37,068 --> 01:08:38,809
I'm actually liking it a lot.
1507
01:08:41,117 --> 01:08:42,118
Number two,
1508
01:08:45,337 --> 01:08:47,210
very pretty now.
1509
01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:51,736
Maybe the most Burgundian,
even if it's not from Burgundy.
1510
01:08:51,779 --> 01:08:54,173
Three is very
concentrated, isn't it?
1511
01:08:54,217 --> 01:08:57,871
And a kind of Burgundy
lover might say,
1512
01:08:57,916 --> 01:09:00,961
oh, you know, why should
Pinot look like that?
1513
01:09:01,005 --> 01:09:04,791
It's a bit too dark
for a classic Burgundy.
1514
01:09:09,884 --> 01:09:12,059
But I think it
might be pretty nice
1515
01:09:12,103 --> 01:09:15,455
in kind of two or three years.
1516
01:09:15,499 --> 01:09:17,065
That's as far as I've got.
1517
01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:22,853
I'll listen to the kings here,
and then revise my thoughts.
1518
01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:23,333
[laughs]
- Fred?
1519
01:09:25,639 --> 01:09:27,902
- Somebody really
likes oak, right?
1520
01:09:27,946 --> 01:09:30,905
A lot, good barrels, though.
1521
01:09:30,949 --> 01:09:32,167
Very nice, wine number one
1522
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:33,907
I think some expensive
wood went in there.
1523
01:09:33,952 --> 01:09:36,041
I think some expensive
wine making went in there.
1524
01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,217
Then you got a soda pop, right?
1525
01:09:38,261 --> 01:09:40,131
And just really bright, clean.
1526
01:09:40,175 --> 01:09:41,742
It's got that Bing cherry,
1527
01:09:41,786 --> 01:09:44,092
that quality I associate with
the New World, pretty much.
1528
01:09:44,136 --> 01:09:46,486
She thinks she's more
in the Burgundian style,
1529
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:48,053
which considering some
of the recent vintages,
1530
01:09:48,095 --> 01:09:49,315
I couldn't arguably argue it.
1531
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,231
I think, I mean, it's clean.
1532
01:09:52,274 --> 01:09:56,931
It's almost a little
vegetal on the nose.
1533
01:09:56,975 --> 01:09:58,281
- We should say they're
three nice wines, actually.
1534
01:09:58,324 --> 01:10:00,892
- Yeah, I'm nitpicking here.
1535
01:10:00,934 --> 01:10:02,850
This reminds me of
stuff from Otago.
1536
01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:05,026
Somebody's an acid head, right?
1537
01:10:06,985 --> 01:10:08,943
But it's good, you
know, it's well made.
1538
01:10:08,987 --> 01:10:10,510
This to me is a New
World style here.
1539
01:10:10,554 --> 01:10:13,034
- So fresher acidity than
you maybe would have thought,
1540
01:10:13,077 --> 01:10:14,949
given the aromatics.
- Yeah, it is.
1541
01:10:14,993 --> 01:10:16,386
- And the color--
- I mean, let's face it,
1542
01:10:16,429 --> 01:10:18,475
everybody certifies these days,
1543
01:10:18,518 --> 01:10:20,564
well, except for the Burgundy
'cause it's illegal, right?
1544
01:10:20,607 --> 01:10:22,174
- Right. [laughs]
1545
01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:24,089
- The acidity is really what
stands out, look at that color.
1546
01:10:24,132 --> 01:10:27,527
I mean, you had to
really push that.
1547
01:10:27,571 --> 01:10:30,226
Stylistically, Jancis is right,
they're totally different.
1548
01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:31,662
- [Dustin] Right.
1549
01:10:31,705 --> 01:10:34,012
- I'd probably
pick number three.
1550
01:10:34,055 --> 01:10:35,535
- Very good.
1551
01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:37,145
- I have a personal idea of
what Pinot Noir should be
1552
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:39,757
for me, and number
three is not at all
1553
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,148
what I want in Pinot Noir.
1554
01:10:41,193 --> 01:10:42,629
It's far too dark.
- Too concentrated.
1555
01:10:42,673 --> 01:10:45,110
- Too concentrated, it's
got far too much oak,
1556
01:10:45,153 --> 01:10:47,895
and I'm sure I agree
with you, Fred.
1557
01:10:47,939 --> 01:10:52,073
It's a good wine, but if
I go down in my cellar
1558
01:10:52,117 --> 01:10:56,034
looking for a Pinot Noir to
drink with a poached chicken,
1559
01:10:56,077 --> 01:10:58,079
that's not the one I'd take.
1560
01:10:58,123 --> 01:11:00,778
I think I'm going for
the reverse order.
1561
01:11:00,821 --> 01:11:02,300
I think I agree with Jancis.
1562
01:11:02,344 --> 01:11:04,825
I think number two is
probably Burgundian.
1563
01:11:04,869 --> 01:11:06,436
I like that wine a lot,
1564
01:11:06,478 --> 01:11:09,134
but I've got a lot of wines
like that in my cellar,
1565
01:11:09,177 --> 01:11:13,007
and so that to me is Pinot
Noir straight down the nine.
1566
01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:18,056
This to me, wine number one
was a slightly fuller color
1567
01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:22,016
and a slightly more
youthful aspect to it.
1568
01:11:23,235 --> 01:11:26,020
It's Pinot Noir
with a twist for me,
1569
01:11:26,064 --> 01:11:28,893
and of the three that's
the one I prefer.
1570
01:11:28,936 --> 01:11:30,851
- Interesting.
- What'd you like?
1571
01:11:30,895 --> 01:11:33,157
- Well, Jancis hasn't
picked her favorite yet.
1572
01:11:33,201 --> 01:11:34,333
- No, I haven't.
1573
01:11:34,377 --> 01:11:36,379
Two for today.
1574
01:11:36,422 --> 01:11:37,684
- Very good, very good.
1575
01:11:37,728 --> 01:11:41,035
Interesting so, one, two, three.
1576
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:42,733
- Yep.
[laughing]
1577
01:11:42,776 --> 01:11:44,255
- Aren't we inviting? [laughs]
1578
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,084
- Alright, didn't
see that coming.
1579
01:11:46,127 --> 01:11:48,260
So Steven, you picked
wine number one.
1580
01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:49,566
- I picked that one, yeah, yeah.
1581
01:11:49,609 --> 01:11:51,568
- Great.
- Because it's different.
1582
01:11:51,611 --> 01:11:52,873
- Different.
- For me.
1583
01:11:52,916 --> 01:11:54,440
- Jancis, you picked
wine number two.
1584
01:11:56,224 --> 01:11:57,313
- [Jancis] For today.
1585
01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:59,010
- Today, because
it's speaking to you
1586
01:11:59,053 --> 01:12:00,316
and if you were gonna
drink something today,
1587
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,187
this would be the one
you'd like to drink.
1588
01:12:02,230 --> 01:12:05,277
And Fred, you picked wine
number three because--
1589
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:06,539
- [Fred] It's big,
bad, and bold.
1590
01:12:06,583 --> 01:12:08,367
- Big, bad, and bold, I dig it.
1591
01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:12,675
Okay, well, I feel like we
should just reveal the wines.
1592
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,243
- Go ahead.
- Yeah, go for it.
1593
01:12:16,157 --> 01:12:17,157
- Okay so...
1594
01:12:19,465 --> 01:12:20,466
Wine number one
1595
01:12:23,295 --> 01:12:27,299
Gevrey-Chambertin,
Domaine Bachelet 2015.
1596
01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:28,648
- [Steven] Wow.
1597
01:12:30,041 --> 01:12:31,999
- Steven, that's yours.
1598
01:12:32,043 --> 01:12:33,958
Corbeaux from your crew.
1599
01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:35,351
- [Fred] Too oaky for me.
1600
01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:38,919
- Jancis, wine number
two is the Californian.
1601
01:12:38,963 --> 01:12:43,968
- Good for them, good for
well, Raj will be thrilled.
1602
01:12:44,969 --> 01:12:47,275
Will he not?
- Raj Parr, yes indeed.
1603
01:12:47,318 --> 01:12:50,061
- Who has been trying
to make Burgundy
1604
01:12:50,103 --> 01:12:51,018
in California for a long time.
1605
01:12:51,062 --> 01:12:52,498
- [Dustin] Correct, correct.
1606
01:12:52,541 --> 01:12:56,894
- He's in my, he's succeeded
as far as I'm concerned.
1607
01:12:57,764 --> 01:12:58,591
- And then Fred,
1608
01:12:59,897 --> 01:13:02,116
d'Angerville Champan 2015.
- Good lord.
1609
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,423
- I'm a d'Angerville
junkie man. [laughs]
1610
01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:05,250
- [Steven] Wow.
1611
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:06,643
- [Jancis] So that's 15.
1612
01:13:06,686 --> 01:13:07,773
- It's got 15.
1613
01:13:07,818 --> 01:13:09,080
It's got that
horsepower, that's why.
1614
01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:09,994
- 15 yeah, really
concentrated fruits.
1615
01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:11,387
- Big and austere.
1616
01:13:12,605 --> 01:13:14,737
- I thought that was
Burgundy and I said,
1617
01:13:14,781 --> 01:13:16,348
I've got a lot of
this in my cellar.
1618
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:17,523
I don't have a single bottle
1619
01:13:17,567 --> 01:13:19,786
of California Pinot
Noir in my cellar.
1620
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:21,179
[laughing]
1621
01:13:21,222 --> 01:13:22,398
So you know, how much
full of yourself do you--
1622
01:13:22,441 --> 01:13:24,661
- I'll get Raj to
send you a case, okay?
1623
01:13:24,704 --> 01:13:26,271
[laughing]
1624
01:13:26,314 --> 01:13:28,534
- Very interesting, thank you.
- Yes.
1625
01:13:28,577 --> 01:13:34,322
- And nice that it shows, as
you say, how Pinot is evolving.
1626
01:13:34,366 --> 01:13:35,454
- Yes.
1627
01:13:35,498 --> 01:13:37,413
Yeah, this was, you know,
1628
01:13:37,456 --> 01:13:40,111
the Domaine de la Cote was
certainly the surprise.
1629
01:13:40,154 --> 01:13:42,243
- I think it says a lot
of very positive things
1630
01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:44,376
because the wines
are beautifully made
1631
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:49,337
and you have to think back
30 years ago, 40 years ago,
1632
01:13:49,380 --> 01:13:53,124
there was a lot of very bad
wine, very poorly made wine.
1633
01:13:53,166 --> 01:13:55,779
- 30 years ago, longer than
that judging wine in California,
1634
01:13:55,822 --> 01:13:57,171
if you got the Pinot Noir panel,
1635
01:13:57,215 --> 01:13:58,216
you'd do anything
to get off of it.
1636
01:13:58,259 --> 01:13:58,956
[Jancis laughs]
1637
01:13:58,999 --> 01:14:00,523
I mean, you'd trade.
1638
01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:01,480
I'll take the fruit wines,
I'll take the White Zinfandel,
1639
01:14:01,523 --> 01:14:02,786
just don't me on the Pinot Noir
1640
01:14:02,829 --> 01:14:04,222
'cause it's gonna suck, right?
1641
01:14:04,264 --> 01:14:05,832
The wines blow, and they did.
1642
01:14:05,876 --> 01:14:07,138
They were terrible.
1643
01:14:07,181 --> 01:14:08,313
Then you look at
today and you see,
1644
01:14:08,356 --> 01:14:09,880
here's a wine made by Raj
1645
01:14:09,923 --> 01:14:12,230
that's standing up to
two legendary wines.
1646
01:14:12,273 --> 01:14:13,753
- [Dustin] Right.
1647
01:14:13,797 --> 01:14:15,059
- I think that's the
greatest news in the world
1648
01:14:15,102 --> 01:14:16,582
because you're saying,
there's great parity
1649
01:14:16,626 --> 01:14:18,496
occurring in the world in
the quality of wine making.
1650
01:14:18,541 --> 01:14:20,107
- Correct.
1651
01:14:20,151 --> 01:14:21,718
- Well, you know, place, and
terroir, and all those things
1652
01:14:21,761 --> 01:14:24,590
will always have that
hold on your heart.
1653
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,853
Let's face it, the modern
world is changing things.
1654
01:14:26,897 --> 01:14:28,376
- Yes.
1655
01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:30,814
- To a great extent, and I
think you see it right here.
1656
01:14:30,857 --> 01:14:32,424
[light music]
1657
01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:33,425
- [Dustin] Given they
each chose different wines
1658
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,383
and what they preferred,
1659
01:14:35,427 --> 01:14:37,951
I think shows that
even at a high level
1660
01:14:37,995 --> 01:14:39,387
with some of the best
wines in the world,
1661
01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:42,913
that you can still have
differences in preference.
1662
01:14:42,956 --> 01:14:44,523
I think that's also
really important
1663
01:14:44,567 --> 01:14:47,264
because I think people should
be drinking what they like,
1664
01:14:47,308 --> 01:14:51,050
and not just what other people
tell them they should like.
1665
01:14:51,094 --> 01:14:53,139
And this was really
cool to see them kind
1666
01:14:53,184 --> 01:14:54,532
of pick these things out
1667
01:14:54,577 --> 01:14:57,275
and like each of the wines
for different reasons.
1668
01:14:57,318 --> 01:14:59,407
- [Madeline] There is so
much wine in the world,
1669
01:14:59,451 --> 01:15:02,148
and so much of it is good.
1670
01:15:02,193 --> 01:15:07,198
So what we value is really
based on perception.
1671
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:10,070
- [Narrator] When
people taste wine,
1672
01:15:10,114 --> 01:15:12,420
they often listen to the
voice of the winemaker
1673
01:15:12,464 --> 01:15:14,814
or the critic, or
a friend who says
1674
01:15:14,858 --> 01:15:17,425
this is the greatest
bottle ever or a price tag,
1675
01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:19,471
and blind tasting
takes all of that out
1676
01:15:19,514 --> 01:15:21,821
and lets the wine
speak for itself.
1677
01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:23,475
- [Dustin] This
tasting was important
1678
01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:25,737
because it shows that you
can have wines that do speak
1679
01:15:25,782 --> 01:15:29,350
of a sense of place from
lots of different places.
1680
01:15:29,394 --> 01:15:32,702
Not only that, but wines
from around the world now
1681
01:15:32,745 --> 01:15:35,661
are such, such high quality.
1682
01:15:35,705 --> 01:15:37,794
You don't have to
just drink, you know,
1683
01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:38,969
the great French
wines of the world.
1684
01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:40,623
You can get just
as much pleasure
1685
01:15:40,666 --> 01:15:43,539
out of a fun Santa
Barbara wine now
1686
01:15:44,496 --> 01:15:46,716
than you can about an
overgrown Cru Burgundy.
1687
01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,936
- The beauty of what we do
1688
01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:51,371
is that the world of wine
is constantly changing,
1689
01:15:51,416 --> 01:15:52,591
and you need to keep up.
1690
01:15:52,635 --> 01:15:55,202
- I think that the world of wine
1691
01:15:55,246 --> 01:15:59,511
is in a better state now than
I've ever known it, actually.
1692
01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:02,209
More interesting, more varied.
1693
01:16:02,253 --> 01:16:03,514
It's certainly in flux.
1694
01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:05,038
Isn't the world in flux?
1695
01:16:05,082 --> 01:16:09,956
- I think wine is an
ever-changing scene.
1696
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,005
I mean, it's been
changing all of my life
1697
01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:17,964
and it's gonna change
probably even quicker.
1698
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:20,619
God knows how many millions
1699
01:16:20,663 --> 01:16:23,230
of bottles there
are in the world,
1700
01:16:23,273 --> 01:16:26,146
so there are a lot more wines
out there that I can drink.
1701
01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:29,672
So I guess it's because
there's always something new.
1702
01:16:29,715 --> 01:16:33,240
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