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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:32,715 Welcome to "Last Week Tonight"! 2 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:36,556 I'm John Oliver, thank you so much for joining us. It has been a busy week. 3 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,275 The UN Climate Conference kicked off, 4 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:42,436 Ron DeSantis debated Gavin Newsom in a real clash of the who gives a shit, 5 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,836 and there was a notable death in the world 6 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,479 that one TikTok account treated with the dignity that it truly deserved. 7 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,075 Breaking news: former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has passed away 8 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,595 at the age of 100. 9 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:58,116 Kissinger served as America's top diplomat and national security adviser 10 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,320 during the Nixon and Ford administrations. 11 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,836 That's right, Henry Kissinger died at the ripe old age of not soon enough. 12 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,116 And if you live in America, you might view him as a controversial figure. 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,036 But if you live in Chile, Argentina, Vietnam, Cambodia, East Timor, 14 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,036 Bangladesh, or anywhere else on Earth, 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,036 you know that's maybe the most obscene understatement of all time. 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,756 Which is not to say that some weren't upset. 17 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,795 The New York Yankees, for instance, tweeted, among other lies, 18 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:25,836 "He will be deeply missed." Which, honestly, tracks. 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,316 If there's one baseball team that could appreciate a man behind 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,036 a widely hated, morally corrupt empire 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,715 that used its considerable financial resources to destroy its enemies 22 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:35,959 by any means necessary, it is the Yankees. 23 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:40,275 But rather than continue to celebrate that man going to Hell, 24 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,640 we are going to turn to Congress, which on Friday, did this. 25 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,359 {\an8}The George Santos saga is officially over. 26 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:51,435 {\an8}Within hours of his House colleagues voting to make him 27 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:54,439 {\an8}just the sixth member in history expelled from office, 28 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,795 {\an8}crews were changing the locks on his Washington office doors. 29 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:02,196 His final remark, reportedly: "Why would I want to stay here?" 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,956 "To hell with this place." 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,196 Yeah, they finally kicked George Santos out. 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,680 And I say "finally" because it was their third attempt at doing that. 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,180 Apparently, it takes three tries to get rid of him, 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,840 a sort of reverse Beetlejuice situation, if you will. 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,436 What probably pushed it over the top this time, though, was the release 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,756 two weeks ago of a scathing Ethics Committee report 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,835 containing accusations about, among other things, 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,319 his use of campaign funds. 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,795 {\an8}The probe found he used some of the money for Botox treatments, 40 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:30,036 {\an8}luxury shopping sprees at Hermes and Ferragamo, 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,196 trips to Atlantic City and the Hamptons, 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,716 and a subscription to the adult website OnlyFans. 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,316 Okay. Look, we've all been trying to shake our heads and say things like, 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,996 "That's not befitting of the office." 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,515 Because we know that is not allowed. You're not supposed to do that. 46 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,355 But I have to say, if you're gonna do something you're not supposed to do, 47 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:51,639 that is the way to fucking do it. 48 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:56,316 Looking good, going out, and getting off on gig economy porn? 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,599 How am I supposed to be mad he spent campaign funds vibing out on diva shit? 50 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:03,596 And while Santos denies all that, 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,395 the spending was just the tip of the iceberg here. 52 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:09,156 The report also included a full copy of the opposition report 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,395 his own campaign commissioned on him, 54 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:13,876 titled "The George Santos Vulnerability Report," 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,235 which was 141 pages long, 56 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,419 featuring sections like, "Florida Driver's License Suspension," 57 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:23,955 "Unverified Degrees," and "Securities Fraud Ponzi Scheme". 58 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:25,756 Even the cover was damning, 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,476 as this was the actual photo they used, which is spectacular. 60 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,555 It's a photo that says, "Opening for Sebastian Maniscalco," 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,639 or, "I Faked My Own Death for Insurance Money: A TED Talk." 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,680 And Santos did not take the vote against him lightly. 63 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:43,075 Ahead of it, he gave a press conference that was upstaged 64 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:45,476 by a garbage truck appearing in the background. 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,476 Which is perfectly on the nose. 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,436 He also vented his frustration at what he saw as a double standard. 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,955 I mean, within the ranks of the United States Congress, 68 00:03:55,039 --> 00:04:01,840 there's felons galore, there's people with all sorts of sheisty backgrounds, 69 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,756 and all of a sudden George Santos is the Mary Magdalene 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,436 of United States Congress. 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,555 We're all gonna stone this motherfucker because it's just politically expedient. 72 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:14,555 Right? Now, no pun intended, I was born on Mary Magdalene's day, 73 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:19,360 which is July 22nd, which, I find it to be absolutely ironic. 74 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,795 Now, obviously, every word of that is a jewel 75 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:25,555 and it's impossible to pick the sparkliest. 76 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:28,396 I mean, first, it's good that he said "no pun intended" 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,995 because no pun detected. 78 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,916 Second, that's not irony. It's a coincidence. 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,956 And finally, not to be a total astrology girlie here, 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,516 but it makes so much sense that he's a Cancer/Leo cusp. 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,836 Prone to fits of emotion, loves to be the center of attention, 82 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,516 and recently hard-launched a husband. That shit is textbook. 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,956 The truth is, this man never belonged in Congress. 84 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,795 He belongs on Bravo. 85 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:54,779 Just think of everything he packed in during his brief time 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,036 on the national stage. 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,435 Like when he implied that his young niece had been kidnapped 88 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,716 from a playground in Queens, possibly in retaliation 89 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,476 for his public comments about China, 90 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,956 or that nine/11 claimed my mother's life even though records show 91 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,076 she wasn't even in New York at the time. 92 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,156 That kind of messiness isn't just "friends-of" behavior, 93 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,000 it's full-on housewife. 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,916 Santos was unmatched at giving us A+ headlines 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,519 like "George Santos Has Meltdown While Holding Mystery Baby." 96 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,795 And by the way, when Santos was asked if that baby was his, 97 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:25,995 his answer was, "Not yet." 98 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:30,995 Which is the single funniest possible answer, outside of maybe, 99 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:32,596 "What baby?" 100 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,795 I'm just saying, Santos clearly didn't deliver for his constituents, 101 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,076 but he delivered hard for the rest of us. 102 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,036 And I don't want him to be in my government. 103 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,396 And I don't want to sit next to him on an airplane. 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,195 But I definitely want him in Andy Cohen's menagerie 105 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,755 of damaged human beings. Call this man now, Cohen. 106 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,319 And pay him what he is worth. And now, this. 107 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:59,519 And Now: People On TV Talk About AI The Only Way They Know How. 108 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,476 Natalie, I don't know if you remember the "Terminator" movies. 109 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,510 Where computers and the machines started acting like humans. 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,315 That's what I think of when I think of artificial intelligence. 111 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:11,916 {\an8}As someone whose favorite movie is "T2: Judgement Day", 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,516 {\an8}am concerned about these machines becoming self-aware and taking over. 113 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,875 {\an8}I laugh, but I'm also quite serious about it. 114 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:21,839 - There was a movie about this. - Which one? 115 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,476 "Terminator". 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,156 {\an8}It makes you have a vision of SkyNet and "Terminator," right? 117 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,555 {\an8}All of us have seen "Terminator". We know how this ends. 118 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,596 {\an8}Never watched "Terminator." We know how this ends, come on. 119 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,160 I've seen this before. 120 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,636 {\an8}This is "Terminator" all over again. I've seen this movie before. 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,396 - You're scared of AI. - Yes. You seen "Terminator"? 122 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,956 Whether it's "The Terminator" or not, 123 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,916 I want to find out how we can make money on this. 124 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,639 {\an8}Is AI really steps away from being a "Terminator" of humanity's future? 125 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:55,115 Plus, Kyra Sedgwick is live to talk about celebrating 35 years of marriage 126 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:56,319 with Kevin Bacon. 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,396 Moving on. Our main story tonight concerns organs, 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,276 what I personally think should be inside of pinatas. 129 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,115 Children have to learn that their actions have consequences. 130 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:15,115 Specifically, we're going to talk about organ and body donation. 131 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,995 Organ transplants are a topic that's been covered on TV 132 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:21,240 in many profound ways, including in this moving clip. 133 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,240 Dr. Casper to the ER. 134 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,755 That is what is known in the business as excellent fucking television. 135 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:58,036 We've actually shown you that clip before on this show, 136 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,396 during a story about, and this is true, Police Interrogations. 137 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,396 And we will absolutely show it to you again, 138 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,675 whenever the fuck we feel like it. 139 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,596 But the point is, organ donation is extremely important, 140 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,516 which is why there are so many ads encouraging you to do it, 141 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,315 as well as TV commercials and PSAs, 142 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,516 perhaps none more brilliant than this one from Australia. 143 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Have you thought about maybe becoming an organ donor? 144 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,916 Is this really the best time to bring this up? 145 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,959 We get it. You know, no one wants to talk about death. 146 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,755 But, you know, not all of us are going to the eternal paradise, 147 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:34,516 and your organs could save the lives of up to six people. 148 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,636 Seven people. 149 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,236 Not to mention, how your bones and soft tissue and ligaments 150 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,835 could change the lives of many others. 151 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,795 And corneas. You'll help blind people see! 152 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:45,039 What a miracle! 153 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,720 Obviously, I would do it. I'm Jesus. 154 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,036 Right, of course Jesus would do it. 155 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,356 Though, I will say, Jesus having none of his vital organs 156 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,396 might complicate his resurrection three days later. 157 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,276 Easter probably wouldn't be as big if it celebrated the day 158 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,675 Jesus rose from the dead and then instantly died again from renal failure. 159 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,195 But that ad is right! Organ donation saves lives! 160 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,595 And here in the U.S., it is widely popular. 161 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,116 Surveys have consistently found 90% or more of Americans indicating 162 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,876 their support for organ donation. 163 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,675 And around half of respondents to a recent survey had signed up as donors. 164 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:21,595 And a lot of lives get saved this way. 165 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,795 Last year, there were over 42,000 organ transplants 166 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:26,876 performed here in the U.S. 167 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,036 But the system that handles our donations has considerable flaws, 168 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,996 which sometimes leak into public view through stories like this one, 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,756 about a donor heart that was being sent for processing 170 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,195 to make lifesaving tissue grafts. 171 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:40,429 {\an8}Southwest Airlines flight had to turn around 172 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,675 {\an8}because someone left a human heart on board. 173 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,356 {\an8}This happened over the weekend. This was a donor heart, course, 174 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,116 {\an8}headed to a clinic in Seattle from Sacramento. 175 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,996 {\an8}Someone apparently forgot to unload the heart when it reached Seattle. 176 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,780 {\an8}My understanding is that the pilot made an announcement 177 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,715 {\an8}when they turned around that they were returning 178 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,475 {\an8}because there was a heart that had been left on board. 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,156 That is awful! 180 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,996 First: "I left your heart on a Southwest flight" 100% sounds like 181 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,516 a Lana Del Rey lyric. 182 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,996 But also, it's worth mentioning, a few years ago, 183 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,036 Southwest celebrated their 50th anniversary with a campaign featuring 184 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,595 this graphic and the words "50 years. One Heart". 185 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,636 Which probably should've been updated to read 186 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,595 "50 years. One heart that we totally forgot about and almost sent to Dallas". 187 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,795 And while we thankfully had over 42,000 transplants last year, 188 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:32,715 the list of those waiting for one is over 100,000 people long, 189 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:36,715 with 17 people dying each day waiting for a transplant, 190 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:39,999 making it pretty frustrating that experts say many thousands more 191 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,396 could be done each year if our organ- transplant system functioned smoothly. 192 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,435 It's frankly no wonder people are desperately trying to circumvent 193 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,276 the system by posting Craigslist ads, 194 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,200 putting up social media posts, or even doing this. 195 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:54,516 Marc needs a kidney. 196 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,276 Now, because of this giant billboard, that vital message is reaching 197 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,876 hundreds of thousands of people 198 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,360 as they pass through the crossroads of the world. 199 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:05,876 It's true, a man in need of a kidney resorted to putting up 200 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,156 a giant billboard in Times Square. 201 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,756 And that is clearly not what billboards should be used for. 202 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,595 They should be used to advertise Broadway musicals, 203 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,779 sportswear, or a weird bird that someone wants to win a contest 204 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,140 on the other side of the world for some reason. 205 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,675 Now, the good news is, that ad helped that man to find 206 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:23,315 a living kidney donor. 207 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:26,116 But, again, many aren't that fortunate. 208 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,475 And the issue here isn't just with organs, 209 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,156 because in a completely separate process, each year, 210 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,675 around 20,000 Americans generously donate their whole bodies to science. 211 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:37,475 But that system has its own issues 212 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,195 because the definition of what constitutes "science" 213 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:44,475 can be pretty loose. Your body could end up educating medical students. 214 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,315 But it could also end up somewhere like the Museum of Osteology 215 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:49,156 in Oklahoma City. 216 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,879 This is our human exhibit. 217 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:55,955 So when somebody agrees to donate their body to science, 218 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:57,279 they could end up here. 219 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,320 It's possible they could end up here. 220 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,156 Do you think, though, that people, when they think about a donation 221 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,475 of their body to science, that this is an example of that? 222 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,236 I would automatically think it would be, yes. 223 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,960 Are you sure about that? 224 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,156 When most people think about donating their body to science, 225 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,595 they picture it in a reputable educational institution, 226 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,236 not in some roadside bone collection, face down, ass up, 227 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,675 arranged in a formation best described 228 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:27,036 as "Cirque du Soleil performer's favorite sex position". 229 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,156 The fact is, our donated organs, 230 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,916 while being incredibly important to saving lives, 231 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,835 are not getting into enough people. 232 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,269 And our donated bodies, incredibly important to advancing knowledge, 233 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,396 aren't always treated with the care they deserve. 234 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,795 So, tonight, let's talk about our donation systems for both, 235 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:45,475 and let's start with the system for organs. 236 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,516 Organ transplants are fairly recent. 237 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,396 The first successful operation only took place in 1954. 238 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,835 For a little perspective, that was the year Oprah was born. 239 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:57,080 Organ transplantation is only one Oprah old! 240 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,636 From there, transplantation slowly became more common, 241 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,835 and in 1984, Congress passed the National Organ Transplant Act 242 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:06,435 that bans the sale of human organs, 243 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:09,719 and actually opened up access by establishing a national registry 244 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:12,916 for organ matching, to be run by a private nonprofit 245 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,516 under government contract. 246 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,555 And the organization that's held it ever since is called UNOS, 247 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:20,036 or the United Network for Organ Sharing. 248 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,276 It's a national body that sits atop 249 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,315 56 regional organ procurement organizations, 250 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:27,675 and we'll get into them in a little bit. 251 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:31,555 But UNOS also manages the nationwide transplant waiting list. 252 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:33,195 And in this documentary from 20 years ago, 253 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:36,795 the head of UNOS explained the logistics that go into deciding 254 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:38,200 who gets which organ. 255 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,756 {\an8}Many people think that the way the waiting list works 256 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,756 {\an8}is that once a person is on the list, that they just simply stay on the list 257 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,475 until they move up to the top of the list and receive an organ. 258 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,059 But it does not work that way. 259 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:53,595 It's a very dynamic and fluid situation, 260 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,795 in which each person is evaluated based on medical criteria, 261 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:00,396 matched with information that's placed in the computer 262 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,036 about each organ donor. 263 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,516 Right. While you might assume that you just get on the list, 264 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,315 wait your turn, an organ for you arrives at the hospital, 265 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:10,996 and a dog eats it off the floor while everyone nearby kind of rolls with it, 266 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,795 the actual matching process changes constantly based on which organs 267 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:17,555 are available and which patients most need them, 268 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,636 and in theory, that sounds amazing. 269 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,795 But there are multiple problems. For starters, 270 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:24,516 UNOS's computer systems leave a lot to be desired. 271 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,236 A government report in 2021 cited, aged software, 272 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,835 periodic system failures, mistakes in programming, 273 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:32,516 and overreliance on manual input of data. 274 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,195 Investigators even cited multiple system outages, 275 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:38,435 with one from two years ago lasting about three hours, 276 00:14:38,519 --> 00:14:39,636 which isn't good. 277 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,715 Every minute matters when it comes to the viability of an organ, 278 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:46,595 and as anyone who's seen "Killers of the Flower Moon" can tell you, 279 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,000 three hours can be an incredibly long time. 280 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,475 But it's not just technical errors. 281 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,835 There are also serious issues with some of the ways 282 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,156 UNOS has ranked patients in terms of need, most notably, 283 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,636 when it comes to kidneys. 284 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,795 For years, it allowed transplant centers to employ something called 285 00:15:02,879 --> 00:15:07,236 "a Black race coefficient". Which is just as bad as it sounds. 286 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,870 Very basically, hospitals miscalculated Black patients' kidney function, 287 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:14,955 based on racist junk science that said Black bodies have higher muscle mass. 288 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:17,839 That made Black patients appear healthier than they were, 289 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,360 pushing them down the kidney transplant list, 290 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:21,879 and it's one reason why, 291 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,996 even though Black people are four times as likely to develop kidney failure 292 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,075 as white people, they are much less likely to receive a transplant. 293 00:15:29,159 --> 00:15:31,955 And while UNOS's transplant network did approve the elimination 294 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:35,555 of race-based calculations, they only did that last year, 295 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:38,435 and have given hospitals until January of next year 296 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:40,156 to update their waiting lists. 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,595 Which feels like too long, 298 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,799 considering that the correct time to fix that problem is fucking ages ago. 299 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,195 And then there's the fact that rich people can essentially cut the line. 300 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,475 The way they can do this is by registering themselves 301 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,675 at multiple transplant hospitals in multiple states, 302 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:56,996 with the plan to fly somewhere on a moment's notice 303 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,396 if one becomes available. 304 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,675 It's called multiple listing, and it's how, in 2009, Steve Jobs was able 305 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,009 to get a liver in a matter of weeks in Memphis 306 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,195 despite living in California, where there was a long waitlist. 307 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:13,036 But there's an obvious reason that policy doesn't work for people 308 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,955 who aren't billionaire CEOs. 309 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,595 Have you ever been told that you can be on multiple lists in centers 310 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:20,636 all over the country? 311 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,756 No. That would be a great idea. 312 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,555 {\an8}We explained the costs. Could you afford to fly to those places? 313 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:29,759 No. I don't think so. 314 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,835 Of course. Booking a last-minute ticket can be really expensive, 315 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,819 even on a cheap airline like the one whose logo reminds you 316 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,036 that they once lost track of a human heart 317 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,879 on one of their Greyhound buses of the sky. 318 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:44,636 And there's one final issue with UNOS, 319 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,916 which is that it's supposed to also coordinate shipping 320 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,916 of organs between regions, for instance, a kidney that matches 321 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,795 a rare blood type may need to be flown to another state. 322 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,996 But even there, it relies on a primitive system of phone calls 323 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,315 and paper manifests, with no GPS or other electronic tracking required. 324 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,356 And that, combined with fuckups by airlines and local organizations, 325 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,356 helps explain why nearly 170 organs over a recent five-year period 326 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,076 could not be transplanted due to transportation problems. 327 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,916 Kidneys have shown up late, damaged, 328 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,475 or, in one case, in a package that was "squished," 329 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:18,755 with apparent tire marks on it. 330 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,116 And no doctor should have to use a flattened organ. 331 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,640 They're performing a transplant, not making kidney piccata. 332 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,000 One director of a transplant center sums up the current situation like this. 333 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,796 {\an8}When you order a toothbrush on Amazon, 334 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,796 {\an8}they can tell you minute to minute where that toothbrush is. 335 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,515 {\an8}Well, that's not been possible for organ transplantation, 336 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:42,475 {\an8}even though we think that what we do is considerably more important 337 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:44,116 {\an8}than ordering a toothbrush. 338 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,396 Look, we should obviously be able to track organs as easily 339 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,356 as we track Amazon packages. 340 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,316 And do you realize how shitty your organization has to be for me to say, 341 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,240 "Be more like Amazon"? 342 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,796 Things have to be pretty dicey for me to look into a camera 343 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,836 and say with my actual mouth, 344 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,475 "Please be more like the soulless megacorporation" 345 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:06,079 "created by Evil Mr. Clean here". 346 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,796 So, to put it mildly, UNOS could and should be doing a lot better. 347 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,556 And I will say that it has new leadership now 348 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:18,116 and that they are pushing for GPS tracking of all organs, which is good. 349 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,916 But these changes have been too long coming. 350 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,955 And UNOS is not the only player here. 351 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:28,435 Remember, there are also the 56 organ procurement organizations, or OPOs. 352 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:31,116 Each operates exclusively in its region 353 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,556 and is tasked with working with the families of donors, 354 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,475 facilitating the recovery of organs, and coordinating their delivery 355 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:38,909 to the transplant hospital. 356 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,955 The job they do is very difficult. By one estimate, 357 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:46,715 "less than two% of U.S. deaths occur under circumstances" 358 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,475 "conducive to donation." 359 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:51,876 Typically, that entails someone being declared brain dead, on a ventilator, 360 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,116 in a hospital, with oxygen and blood flowing to their organs. 361 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,796 And OPOs have to approach families for consent at a time 362 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,836 when they're often in shock about what's just happened. 363 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,160 That is challenging. 364 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,580 One OPO even put together a training video for its workers, 365 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:09,876 where they staged conversations with actors to show what issues 366 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,836 might come up in the heat of that discussion. 367 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,599 And it is an absolute rollercoaster ride. 368 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,556 Hi! Good morning. 369 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,440 You know what? I already know who you are, 370 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,170 and I know what you want. 371 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,235 And I'm going to tell you like I told the fucking doctor. 372 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:26,955 You're not touching him. We're not donating shit! 373 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:28,889 If you just give me an opportunity... 374 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,720 Stop! Do you see this here? Are you fucking serious right now? 375 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:35,556 I've been sitting here for over a week! 376 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,916 Over a week I've been sitting here waiting for someone to come talk to me. 377 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,275 But now that they want something, 378 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,836 now everybody wants to come talk to me now, right? And what? 379 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,240 They send, what, this character in to do what? Convince me? 380 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,759 You're not touching my husband. 381 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,755 Rest in peace, both to her fictitious husband, 382 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:59,316 but also to that scenery, which just got chewed up by that acting powerhouse. 383 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,916 We watch a lot of training videos for this show, and believe me, 384 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,955 that woman is the Meryl Streep of the genre. 385 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:08,435 Just to catch you up on this, the man declared brain-dead is named Jorge, 386 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:10,156 and they've only been married for two months. 387 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,035 The guy sitting next to her is Jorge's brother. 388 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,116 He doesn't want her making decisions for Jorge. 389 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,755 And he initially doesn't want Jorge's organs donated either. 390 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:19,275 But then he remembers that when they were children, their mom, 391 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,396 who was working two jobs after their dad left, 392 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,475 details that we do not need but that we get anyway, 393 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,559 would give them each their own allowance, 394 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,116 but Jorge would give his to his brother. 395 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,700 Because he's just that giving. 396 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,475 And eventually, they both realize Jorge would want his organs to be donated. 397 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:35,796 All I'm saying is, there is a rich backstory here. 398 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,876 Now, is it the most gripping medical drama that I've ever seen? 399 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,396 No, as I've said, that would be this one, but it is still unexpectedly good. 400 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,715 Now, a lot of OPOs try and get ahead of conversations like that 401 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:49,955 by encouraging more people in their area to sign up 402 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:52,876 as organ donors, sometimes through advertising, 403 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,356 and sometimes even using mascots. 404 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,156 Gift of Life Michigan has Hartley T. Hart. 405 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,076 Donate Life Wisconsin has Dottie the Donor Dot. 406 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,596 Donate Life Arizona has Reggie the Donor Cactus, 407 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,980 who, from that photo, seems to be high on glue. 408 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,556 And Lifeshare Oklahoma has Derrick the Donor, 409 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,356 who is an oil rig, because, according to the organization, 410 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,475 "Oil is a precious resource just like organs are a precious resource." 411 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,556 Except no, they are not just like each other, Oklahoma! 412 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,235 One of those should not go into your body! Besides, 413 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,836 this is just a bad mascot. 414 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,636 No one is going to look at that and think, 415 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,396 "I should sign up to donate my organs." 416 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,720 They'll think, "Oh no! That Teletubby is suffocating!" 417 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:39,116 And because each OPO is responsible for procuring the organs in its area, 418 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,116 how well it performs has enormous consequences. 419 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,876 And yet, until recently, 420 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,556 that performance has been determined by the OPOs themselves, 421 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,035 since they've been evaluated on self-reported data, 422 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,515 which is a real problem. 423 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:55,796 Because OPOs can fail to retrieve organs for many reasons, 424 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,076 from exhaustion of overworked staffers to lack of resources. 425 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,275 Employees have admitted to gaming the system to cover up those failures. 426 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,799 Just listen to this former OPO exec. 427 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,079 I used to work at an OPO. 428 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,636 And we reported false numbers to make it appear 429 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,420 we were doing better than we were. 430 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,796 Imagine there are ten people who die, 431 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,160 and they all have healthy organs that can save someone's life. 432 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,755 We might later falsely report that only four or five of those people 433 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:27,235 had healthy enough organs for donation 434 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:30,396 and make it look like we were more successful in our recovery effort 435 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,920 than we were. In fact, we might not even visit all ten people. 436 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,916 That is not good. And look, I'm not saying 437 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,116 that you can never lie about death. But it's got to be a good lie. 438 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,715 Like when Robert Pattinson went on the "Today" show and said 439 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,755 "the first time I went to see the circus, somebody died." 440 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:50,156 "One of the clowns died. His little car exploded." 441 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,156 "The joke car exploded on him." 442 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,556 And then later admitted, "I actually made the whole thing up." 443 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,596 The world is a better place because of that fake clown's death. 444 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,556 But this is the kind of lie that could actually kill people. 445 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,636 The government's estimated that if OPOs increased their performance, 446 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,955 "approximately 5,600 more organs per year could be transplanted," 447 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:11,435 which is vital because, again, 448 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:15,799 around 6,000 Americans die each year waiting for an organ transplant. 449 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,836 But the problem is, despite the stakes being this high, 450 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,715 OPOs have very little incentive to do better. 451 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:25,876 The government has "never decertified an OPO for poor performance". 452 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,955 And poor performance can have serious consequences 453 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,636 for people like L.A. poet Tonya Ingram, 454 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,235 who desperately needed a kidney. 455 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,369 She actually appeared before Congress two years ago to explain 456 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:38,559 how her region's OPO, OneLegacy, had failed her. 457 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:42,715 {\an8}The organ procurement organization that serves Los Angeles, 458 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:47,035 {\an8}where I live, is failing according to the federal government. 459 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,079 {\an8}In fact, it's one of the worst in the country. 460 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,675 {\an8}One analysis showed it only recovered 31% of potential organ donors. 461 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,116 {\an8}Sometimes when you're in this diagnosis, 462 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,195 {\an8}it kind of feels like this is it, 463 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:04,475 {\an8}and I will just be waiting forever until I'm no longer here. 464 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:08,475 That is awful. And to make it worse, the then-CEO of OneLegacy, 465 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,955 Tom Mone, wrote her an email, defending the job he'd done, 466 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:13,995 and suggesting that the "number one thing" 467 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,515 she could do to "improve your chances and your community's chances 468 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:20,715 of a life-saving transplant is to register as a donor 469 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,396 and help people in your ethnic group, in particular, 470 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,995 to choose to donate life." 471 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,916 And if you are ever typing the phrase "your ethnic group" into an email, 472 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,799 Clippy should just appear and say, "Stop what you're doing right now!" 473 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,035 I have to say, OneLegacy says they are "deeply regretful for the email," 474 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,275 which they want you to know 475 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,316 was a "personal communication from Tom Mone". 476 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,156 Very much throwing him under the bus like a kidney in a box. 477 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,836 But at this point, it should be clear: 478 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,955 our system of managing donated organs is nowhere near where it should be. 479 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,876 But depressingly, it's actually a paragon of care and thoughtfulness 480 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,715 compared to what happens when someone donates their body to science. 481 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,396 Which brings us to whole-body donation. 482 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,230 That is a choice thousands of Americans make every year, 483 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,675 either for themselves 484 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:08,796 or when a loved one's organs aren't suitable for donation. 485 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,356 And it is absolutely essential to both scientific research 486 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,596 and medical training, as this med-school video will attest. 487 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,475 The beauty and complexity of the human body can really only be taught 488 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,116 through the process of studying an anatomical donor. 489 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,675 Donations provide a tactile sense of learning and really highlight 490 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:31,076 the variation amongst human beings in a way 491 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,435 that virtual reality just can't yet. 492 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,316 I think that this program allows people to practice 493 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,680 and to learn in a way that will really help their future patients. 494 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,316 Exactly. Donations to science can help doctors better understand 495 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,636 the human body. 496 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,396 For example, if I donated my body, maybe they could figure out 497 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,116 how a man can age 47 years in a single decade. 498 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,519 It doesn't seem like it should be biologically possible. 499 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,035 I'm probably going to be fine. I'm going to live forever. 500 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,916 And in theory, that is great. 501 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,675 Unfortunately, in practice, you might not end up in front of medical students. 502 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:08,920 Instead, you could end up here. 503 00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,796 {\an8}On a bright Sunday morning in Portland earlier this month. 504 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,836 This is somebody that donated their body to science. 505 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,559 A few dozen people spent the day inside at this downtown hotel. 506 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,316 They paid up to 500 dollars a seat in the ballroom 507 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,195 to sit up close to the mysterious figure draped in a white sheet. 508 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,679 I heard about it through a friend, decided to broaden my experiences. 509 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:36,195 The sheet comes off, exposing the corpse of an 86-year-old man. 510 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:40,916 This in-person, pay-per-view event puts regular people, paying customers, 511 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,596 within an arm's length of something usually reserved 512 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,475 for doctors and scientists. 513 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:51,515 Okay, clearly, a Marriott hotel autopsy is stretching the definition of science. 514 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:52,715 And not to get sidetracked, 515 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,235 but did that guy say he heard about it through a friend? 516 00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:58,636 Because there is only one way that conversation should go. 517 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,435 Your friend says, "Hey, wanna go to a live autopsy?" 518 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:03,636 To which you say, "I'm sorry, what?" 519 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,715 To which he says, "Yeah, they're dissecting a body!" 520 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,316 To which you say, "What kind of animal?" 521 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,755 To which he says, "No, it's a human man!" 522 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,876 To which you respond, "Why would anyone go all the way" 523 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,475 to a medical school to watch..." To which he interrupts with: 524 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,796 "It's in the ballroom of a Marriott in downtown Portland." 525 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,235 "But we have to be out by 3:00, there's a quinceanera." 526 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,396 To which you reply, "Wait, what now?" 527 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,515 To which he says, "Yeah, and it's only $500 to get in." 528 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:27,916 To which your only response should be, 529 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,475 "I'll pay you $500 right now to never speak to me ever again." 530 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,076 "This friendship is over." 531 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,640 The explanation offered by the man who hosted that event wasn't great. 532 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,035 The body buyer, Death-Science-dot-org, is run by Jeremy Ciliberto, 533 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,396 who has no professional credentials. 534 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,675 It was Ciliberto who brought the Portland body show to life 535 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,916 and had planned one for Seattle as well on Halloween day. 536 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,116 Can you guarantee they had knowledge 537 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800 that he knew that his body would be used in this way? 538 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:05,720 I can guarantee that he knew his body would be used for medical education. 539 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,195 Bullshit! And I've got to say, I'm not surprised that that long-lost member 540 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,195 of My Chemical Romance doesn't have any medical credentials. 541 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,235 But that still doesn't explain why he's somehow providing medical education. 542 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,596 And yet, that is totally legal. 543 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,995 Because bodies donated to science are bought and sold 544 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,316 in a virtually unregulated market. 545 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,356 There is no federal law, 546 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,290 and no government agency monitors what happens to cadavers 547 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:34,515 pledged for use in medical research and education. 548 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,396 There are also no government mandated nonprofits here. 549 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,836 Instead, there are for-profit companies known as "body brokers", 550 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,275 or, as they prefer to be called, "non-transplant tissue banks", 551 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,235 who very literally sell bodies off for parts. 552 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:51,035 One of the few rules that even applies to them is a statute adopted 553 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:55,035 in 47 states called the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act 554 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,116 that requires donors must provide informed consent, 555 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,076 with those agreements typically stipulating that the body will be used 556 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,995 for "research and education". 557 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,076 But "medical research and education" is not clearly defined. 558 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,475 And, as you just saw, that can technically mean 559 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,396 that your body might be carved up in a Marriott for the entertainment 560 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720 of a grown man in a fedora. 561 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,316 And even organizations that do supply bodies to medical schools, 562 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,076 like Illinois' Anatomical Gift Association, 563 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,876 can conduct themselves poorly. 564 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,195 It was accused by one employee of mishandling and mistreating bodies 565 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,116 leaving some rotting, or being "eaten by rats". 566 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,995 Which is clearly horrific. 567 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,579 Rats should not be hungrily devouring human bodies, 568 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,556 they should be hungrily devouring each other's bodies. 569 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960 I think we've made our position on that pretty clear. 570 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,195 And while the AGA said that it strongly disagreed 571 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,636 with the employee's allegations of mistreatment, 572 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,235 that employee also says that he was punished for speaking out, 573 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,440 and in the grossest possible way. 574 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,675 Mr. Wheatley says that when he approached his supervisors 575 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,675 with his concerns about procedures, three dismembered heads 576 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,836 from donated bodies were left at his desk. 577 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,400 My boss walked by. I asked him why the heads were at my desk, 578 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,356 and he told me they needed to get back with their bodies 579 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,876 so we can send them to cremation. 580 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,759 And I said, "I understand that. Why are they at my desk?" 581 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,556 And he told me, 582 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,359 "Well, I don't know, Dale. There's a lot of strange things happening." 583 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,519 Holy shit! 584 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,836 "I don't know, Dale. There's a lot of strange things happening?" 585 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,515 If you are bold enough to leave severed heads at someone's desk, 586 00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:33,156 why be passive-aggressive? 587 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,796 Either you're a direct communicator or you are not! 588 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,799 Pick a fucking lane! 589 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,316 And body brokers will sometimes make attractive pitches to obtain bodies. 590 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,000 Struggling families might be told that they'll receive a cremated portion 591 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,116 of their loved one, free of charge. 592 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,275 Other times, families might be told that their loved one's body will be used 593 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,475 to research the exact condition that they died from. 594 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:57,559 Which is a lovely idea, but it's just not always the case. 595 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,515 Take what happened with Cody Saunders, 596 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,796 who died at age 24 from a rare disease, 597 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,380 and I'll let his mother explain what happened next. 598 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,316 We couldn't afford a burial for Cody. 599 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,599 {\an8}Cody's mom, Angie, says someone told her about a company that could help. 600 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,356 {\an8}Restore Life USA offered to handle all of the expenses in exchange 601 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,995 {\an8}for using some of Cody's body for medical research. 602 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,440 All I remember is they were supposed to take skin cells 603 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,836 so they could figure out, maybe they could figure out that, 604 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,839 what caused this disease. 605 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,275 You can see why that would be so appealing for her. 606 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,755 And it's what makes it so upsetting that, a month after Cody died, 607 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:44,836 a reporter from Reuters bought her son's cervical spine for 300 dollars, 608 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,316 plus shipping, from that company. 609 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,195 And if you're thinking, "How the fuck was that allowed to happen?" 610 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:54,916 Well, in almost every state, it is legal to sell the human remains of adults. 611 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,156 There are multiple websites where you can buy human bones. 612 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,755 Skulls Unlimited, which is actually the company that owns 613 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:02,955 that bone museum you saw earlier, 614 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,955 sells skeletons that it guarantees are antiques, 615 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,955 decades-old human bones once used in places like medical schools. 616 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,596 But under most states' laws, they don't have to be. 617 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,836 And it is a good business, by the way. 618 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,796 They will sell you a human skull for $2,200, or a rib for $40. 619 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,235 You can even buy human teeth for $35 a pop. 620 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:25,796 Which is a pretty great deal. 621 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,275 And the reason I know that is, we bought two dozen of them! 622 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:33,400 Except, of course, we didn't! Relax, we're not fucking monsters! 623 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,235 But we could have done it if we wanted to, 624 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,836 and I am very disappointed by how many people in this room 625 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,160 seemed genuinely worried that we might've done that. Unbelievable! 626 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,035 And you might be thinking, "Well, this whole story has horrified me so much, 627 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,675 I'm keeping everything inside me and I'm taking it to my grave." 628 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,995 But it's really important to reiterate just how meaningful organ donation, 629 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,916 in particular, can be. Take what happened to Alyssa Sandeen. 630 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,955 Who would have died without a heart transplant. 631 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,076 And ten years ago, one became available, 632 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,035 after this 20-year-old, Kate Leekley, was tragically killed by a drunk driver. 633 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,876 That transplant saved Alyssa's life. 634 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,836 And a few years later, Alyssa met Kate's family, 635 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,116 and the result was incredibly moving. 636 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,796 Alyssa decided to meet Kate's family. 637 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,356 Over the weekend, they made the drive to Illinois. 638 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,876 When they got there, Kate's parents and sister were waiting. 639 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,440 Finally, two families bonded by a special gift met face to face. 640 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:35,920 It's so nice to meet you. 641 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,356 Alyssa came with her own gift, a stuffed teddy bear 642 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,799 for the mother to keep with a sound. 643 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,799 So, they made a recording of my heartbeat with a stethoscope, 644 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,556 and we decided to give that to her so she can keep 645 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,140 her daughter's heart with her. 646 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,599 That's your daughter's heartbeat. 647 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,160 Just to hear her heartbeat... 648 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,559 I can't explain it. 649 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:12,115 That is amazing. And let us all agree that Alyssa absolutely nailed that gift. 650 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,435 That is about as thoughtful as gift-giving gets. 651 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,316 It is certainly better than what I would have done, 652 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,396 desperately look at Hallmark cards 653 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,916 and then accidentally buy one that says "Happy Graduation". 654 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,515 The point is, we all know donating organs saves lives. 655 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,035 And giving your body to science can save and enhance them, too. 656 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,035 But what we currently do with those gifts is broken. 657 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,995 Far too many people are dying waiting for organs that could be coming, 658 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,796 but aren't. And one of them, sadly, is Tonya Ingram, 659 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,119 who died last year, never having gotten the transplant that she was waiting for. 660 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,595 So, what can we do? Well, for organs, 661 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,676 we need to raise the standards of how the system operates. 662 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,236 And there's actually some good news on that front from, 663 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,756 and I cannot believe I'm about to say this, the Trump administration. 664 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,396 It actually put a rule in place that provides an objective, 665 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,236 rather than self-reported, metric for measuring the performance of OPOs. 666 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,916 And starting in 2026, OPOs who fall below a certain standard 667 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,435 will lose their contract. 668 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:12,716 It is one of exactly two good things that we got 669 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,075 from the Trump administration, alongside this spectacular gay rabbit. 670 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,995 Now, that new rule is not perfect. 671 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,756 Some experts worry that the standards might punish good OPOs 672 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,796 by not properly adjusting for things that aren't in their control, 673 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,635 while also allowing struggling OPOs an opportunity 674 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,716 to game the system. 675 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,916 One particular worry is the so-called "pancreas exception," 676 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,756 which lets OPOs claim credit for pancreases 677 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,035 that aren't transplanted but are recovered for research. 678 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,595 And it's not a great sign that one underperforming OPO in Ohio, 679 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,676 Lifebanc, went from recovering one pancreas for research 680 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,756 the year before the new standards were released, 681 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,836 to 151 so far this year. 682 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,796 Also, for what it's worth, "The Pancreas Exception" sounds like 683 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,796 a direct-to-DVD thriller from 2003 starring Nicholas Cage. 684 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,916 As for UNOS, this past September, President Biden signed a bill 685 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,316 that could split up its contract and allow others, 686 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,750 including for-profit companies, to compete for parts of the services 687 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,676 that it now provides. Will that improve the efficiency of our national system? 688 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,360 Let's hope so, but the jury is currently out. 689 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,396 As for whole bodies donated for research, 690 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,196 there is a law awaiting a vote in Congress right now 691 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,555 that would ensure donated bodies are not unknowingly contributed 692 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:28,196 to a for-profit industry, which seems like a pretty good idea. 693 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,155 But even as we are waiting for these long overdue improvements, 694 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,716 let me be very clear about something here. I am an organ donor. 695 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,756 When I die and someone is in need of these sub-par organs, 696 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,075 they can have at 'em! 697 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,759 And nothing that we've researched or covered tonight, 698 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,716 however unpleasant it's been, has changed my mind about that decision. 699 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,115 And while personally, I wouldn't mind being a skeleton doing a backflip 700 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:56,119 in a museum, I know that my family might have some objections to that. 701 00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:58,716 So, if you want to, and you haven't already, 702 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,836 you should sign up to donate your organs. 703 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,515 {\an8}You can do that at Register-Me-dot-org. 704 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,075 {\an8}If want to look into being a living kidney donor, 705 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,796 {\an8}you can learn more at Organ-Donor-dot-gov. 706 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,876 {\an8}And whether you want to donate your organs, or your whole body, 707 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,396 you should probably have a conversation with your family now. 708 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,030 And I know it's not easy to talk to them about this, 709 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:19,475 or indeed, anything. 710 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:24,075 But it is really important. Because remember, 711 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,316 lives are hanging in the balance here. 712 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,356 These donations are immensely generous gifts. 713 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,555 And we all deserve a system that is worthy of that generosity, 714 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,995 one that operates with efficiency, saves as many lives as possible, 715 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,676 and that, at the very least, 716 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,075 ensures every heart makes its airline connection, 717 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:44,075 and nobody's body unexpectedly winds up sliced and diced 718 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:48,435 in a two-star business hotel. It's just not too much to ask. 719 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:50,356 That is our show, thank you so much for watching, 720 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,876 we will see you next week. 721 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,115 And now, I will leave you with a few more glorious seconds 722 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:57,320 of the most intense training video ever produced. 723 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,676 {\an8}I know that Jorge was found down, 9-1-1 was called. 724 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,955 {\an8}Who was the first person that was notified? 725 00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,276 {\an8}Yeah, she was contacted first. 726 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,010 You think she had any nerve to call me about anything? 727 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,836 I called you! It's my fault that you didn't answer your goddamn phone? 728 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,475 Seriously. Yeah, it's my fault, right? Bullshit. 729 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:15,920 All right, stop. 730 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,430 It's getting a little heavy in here. You doing okay? 67285

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