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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,858 --> 00:00:13,689 [Light buzzing] 2 00:00:22,502 --> 00:00:25,596 "Once upon a time, there was a little princess, 3 00:00:25,706 --> 00:00:30,200 "the most beautiful little princess in all the land. 4 00:00:35,248 --> 00:00:36,738 "Her hair was long and blonde, 5 00:00:36,850 --> 00:00:39,250 "and her eyes were as brown as the dark waters of the river 6 00:00:39,353 --> 00:00:41,253 "which ran by her castle. 7 00:00:41,355 --> 00:00:43,380 "But the little princess was unhappy, 8 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:45,981 "for she was lonely. 9 00:00:46,093 --> 00:00:50,325 "Someday she would find her kind, handsome prince, 10 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:53,263 "and he would sweep her up on a big white horse, 11 00:00:53,367 --> 00:00:55,562 "and he would take her away and marry her, 12 00:00:55,669 --> 00:00:58,331 and they would live happily ever after." 13 00:00:58,438 --> 00:01:01,874 Hi, I'm Joyce McKinney, and that's from my pending book, 14 00:01:01,975 --> 00:01:03,499 A Very Special Love Story. 15 00:01:08,915 --> 00:01:10,849 [Typewriter clacking] 16 00:01:10,951 --> 00:01:13,351 [Typewriter rings] 17 00:01:13,453 --> 00:01:16,013 First of all, were you surprised to be put in prison? 18 00:01:16,123 --> 00:01:18,387 I really didn't feel I'd done anything wrong. 19 00:01:18,492 --> 00:01:22,428 I still don't feel I did anything wrong. 20 00:01:22,529 --> 00:01:25,430 I would never do anything to hurt Kirk Anderson 21 00:01:25,532 --> 00:01:26,863 or slander him. 22 00:01:26,967 --> 00:01:29,026 In fact, in my book... 23 00:01:29,136 --> 00:01:34,096 my book is handled in a very tender, nice fashion. 24 00:01:34,207 --> 00:01:35,765 It's not a porno story 25 00:01:35,876 --> 00:01:38,071 like these crazy newspapers have tried to make it. 26 00:01:38,178 --> 00:01:39,873 It's a love story, you know? 27 00:01:39,980 --> 00:01:41,971 And, I mean, I would never do anything to hurt him 28 00:01:42,082 --> 00:01:44,607 or to cause him any harm at all. 29 00:01:44,718 --> 00:01:47,710 And the way that they threw me in prison 30 00:01:47,821 --> 00:01:50,619 and tried to act like I was some sort of criminal 31 00:01:50,724 --> 00:01:54,160 and present this image over was really what got to me. 32 00:01:56,963 --> 00:01:58,055 [TV clicks] 33 00:02:00,066 --> 00:02:03,627 My life started out in a small town in North Carolina. 34 00:02:03,737 --> 00:02:05,728 I was one of these girls who was gonna meet, you know, 35 00:02:05,839 --> 00:02:08,467 an all-American guy and get married 36 00:02:08,575 --> 00:02:10,065 and have a little Leave It to Beaver house 37 00:02:10,177 --> 00:02:11,337 with a white picket fence 38 00:02:11,445 --> 00:02:13,436 and just have a great little life. 39 00:02:15,282 --> 00:02:16,772 Started dating very late in life. 40 00:02:16,883 --> 00:02:18,874 Didn't start dating till I was, like, 17. 41 00:02:18,985 --> 00:02:21,977 Was in an accelerated program for kids with high IQ�s. 42 00:02:22,088 --> 00:02:23,578 How high was your IQ? 43 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:24,657 168. 44 00:02:24,758 --> 00:02:26,851 [Laughs] 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,757 I hadn't been out in the world much 46 00:02:28,862 --> 00:02:30,523 till I went to Utah. 47 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:33,531 You know, I hadn't been around much. 48 00:02:34,935 --> 00:02:36,527 But there were a lot of men attracted to you? 49 00:02:36,636 --> 00:02:37,898 Well, I guess so. I don't know. 50 00:02:38,004 --> 00:02:39,733 I'm not that vain that I would say... 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,468 but I wasn't looking for just any guy. 52 00:02:42,576 --> 00:02:44,942 I wanted a special guy. 53 00:02:45,045 --> 00:02:47,639 I wanted a special guy. 54 00:02:47,747 --> 00:02:49,112 And he had to have certain qualities. 55 00:02:49,216 --> 00:02:50,513 There are plenty of guys out there, 56 00:02:50,617 --> 00:02:52,084 but I wanted a special guy. 57 00:02:53,787 --> 00:02:55,220 I met this professor, and he said, 58 00:02:55,322 --> 00:02:57,153 "Well, I've got these perfect guys for you, 59 00:02:57,257 --> 00:02:58,952 "and they're just your type, Joyce. 60 00:02:59,059 --> 00:03:00,549 "They don't smoke, and they don't drink, 61 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:01,718 "and they're clean-cut, 62 00:03:01,828 --> 00:03:03,227 "and you're just going to love them. 63 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:05,992 And why don't you come over to my house and meet them?" 64 00:03:06,099 --> 00:03:08,124 [Knocking on door] 65 00:03:08,235 --> 00:03:09,668 They were Mormons. 66 00:03:09,769 --> 00:03:12,169 They didn't tell me what Mormonism was all about. 67 00:03:12,272 --> 00:03:14,240 He didn't say, "We're a group that believes 68 00:03:14,341 --> 00:03:16,036 "that Jesus was a polygamist 69 00:03:16,142 --> 00:03:18,702 and was married to Mary Magdalene." 70 00:03:18,812 --> 00:03:20,370 He didn't say, "We believe that God lives 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,505 on a star named Kolob." 72 00:03:22,616 --> 00:03:25,050 He didn't say, "We believe that black people 73 00:03:25,151 --> 00:03:29,747 were cursed with the mark of Cain." 74 00:03:29,856 --> 00:03:32,086 They made me think they were a church. 75 00:03:32,192 --> 00:03:35,684 They made me think that they were family-oriented. 76 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:40,597 And so I was drawn to them, as a young 19-year-old teenager, 77 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:42,292 like a moth to a flame. 78 00:03:42,402 --> 00:03:44,836 I was just so happy to go to this place 79 00:03:44,938 --> 00:03:47,338 where I thought that I would have my pick 80 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,874 of just all-American friends, 81 00:03:49,976 --> 00:03:52,570 people, husband material, I guess. 82 00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:57,047 I had a Corvette, and I had a big old English sheepdog 83 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:59,243 that loved to ride in the Corvette. 84 00:03:59,352 --> 00:04:04,312 And I had a good friend. Her name was Marilyn Clark. 85 00:04:04,424 --> 00:04:06,051 There wasn't anything Marilyn didn't do: 86 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,128 Smoke, drink, have sex with Hells Angels. 87 00:04:09,229 --> 00:04:12,289 I mean, this was a wild child. We were exact opposites. 88 00:04:12,399 --> 00:04:14,230 She used to call me "Holier-Than-Thou McKinney" 89 00:04:14,334 --> 00:04:16,461 because I was so straight. 90 00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:18,060 We would cruise the pizza parlor, 91 00:04:18,171 --> 00:04:20,605 and we decided to cruise down by Frosty's ice cream parlor. 92 00:04:20,707 --> 00:04:22,402 And I noticed this really handsome guy 93 00:04:22,509 --> 00:04:26,673 driving alongside me also in a Corvette, white Corvette. 94 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:29,112 And he kind of looks around at me like he's watching me. 95 00:04:29,215 --> 00:04:31,649 And I thought, "Whoa, he's cute." 96 00:04:31,751 --> 00:04:33,651 And I kept on driving, 97 00:04:33,753 --> 00:04:35,050 and Marilyn goes, 98 00:04:35,155 --> 00:04:37,089 "Hey, McKinn, he's following you." 99 00:04:37,190 --> 00:04:38,748 And I go, "He is?" 100 00:04:38,858 --> 00:04:42,225 So I let him chase me. He was quite aggressive. 101 00:04:43,496 --> 00:04:46,829 And he pulled in beside me and cleared his throat. 102 00:04:46,933 --> 00:04:48,730 Then he goes, "Like your car." 103 00:04:48,835 --> 00:04:50,894 I go, "Thanks. I like yours too." 104 00:04:51,004 --> 00:04:52,972 He goes, "I really like yours better." 105 00:04:53,073 --> 00:04:54,335 I go, "Want to drive it?" 106 00:05:04,818 --> 00:05:08,049 When I met my Kirk, 107 00:05:08,154 --> 00:05:09,519 it was like in the movies... 108 00:05:12,826 --> 00:05:15,226 When the girl comes down the stairs, and their eyes meet. 109 00:05:15,328 --> 00:05:18,297 When Juliet looks at Romeo, and it's... pkew! 110 00:05:18,398 --> 00:05:19,490 That's how it was. 111 00:05:21,267 --> 00:05:23,235 He had the most beautiful blue eyes 112 00:05:23,336 --> 00:05:25,361 and the sexiest smile, 113 00:05:25,472 --> 00:05:28,669 and he always had the cleanest skin. 114 00:05:40,387 --> 00:05:44,414 Kirk Anderson was a very big, rather flabby, 115 00:05:44,524 --> 00:05:50,622 300-pound, 6'3", not athletic or attractive-looking man 116 00:05:50,730 --> 00:05:52,561 in the accepted sense of the word 117 00:05:52,666 --> 00:05:54,657 who had a very shuffle-y kind of walk, 118 00:05:54,768 --> 00:05:57,202 the last person in the world that you'd think would be 119 00:05:57,303 --> 00:06:03,606 the object of this kind of strange sexual passion. 120 00:06:03,710 --> 00:06:06,645 He had known Joyce McKinney in Salt Lake City, 121 00:06:06,746 --> 00:06:08,737 and she had fallen in love with him. 122 00:06:08,848 --> 00:06:12,011 Fallen in love with him... become obsessed by him, 123 00:06:12,118 --> 00:06:14,313 because that's another thing about Joyce is obsession. 124 00:06:14,421 --> 00:06:16,514 I mean, she just obsesses about things. 125 00:06:16,623 --> 00:06:17,851 I don't know what the details 126 00:06:17,957 --> 00:06:21,324 of their relationship was in Salt Lake City, 127 00:06:21,428 --> 00:06:25,865 but they obviously had some kind of romance or love affair, 128 00:06:25,965 --> 00:06:28,934 because if one's to believe Joyce at all, 129 00:06:29,035 --> 00:06:32,766 he had promised her a family and children. 130 00:06:32,872 --> 00:06:34,499 He actually told me he loved me 131 00:06:34,607 --> 00:06:35,904 the first night I met him 132 00:06:36,009 --> 00:06:38,773 and asked me to marry him the second night, 133 00:06:38,878 --> 00:06:41,244 and then the next thing I know, we're naming our kids. 134 00:06:41,347 --> 00:06:44,475 And we were gonna name 'em all with Js and Ks: 135 00:06:44,584 --> 00:06:46,518 J for "Joyce" and Ks for "Kirk," 136 00:06:46,619 --> 00:06:48,712 Joshua, Jacob. 137 00:06:48,822 --> 00:06:50,289 You know, we had the names picked out. 138 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:51,880 Kyle, Kirk. 139 00:06:54,627 --> 00:06:57,061 And I remember, he took me home to meet his Mormon mother, 140 00:06:57,163 --> 00:07:00,030 and she was this big, oh, huge woman, 141 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:02,658 about 350 pounds in a tent dress, 142 00:07:02,769 --> 00:07:03,861 and she took one look at me 143 00:07:03,970 --> 00:07:05,870 with my little beauty queen figure, 144 00:07:05,972 --> 00:07:07,701 and her eyes went up, and her eyes went down, 145 00:07:07,807 --> 00:07:09,866 and she goes, "She doesn't look like a Mormon to me." 146 00:07:18,718 --> 00:07:20,413 From the time I was a little girl, 147 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,680 I was in pageants. 148 00:07:24,057 --> 00:07:26,116 It gave me a chance to develop myself 149 00:07:26,226 --> 00:07:29,923 to be the best person I could be 150 00:07:30,029 --> 00:07:34,966 with my looks, with my talent, with my personality. 151 00:07:38,705 --> 00:07:41,697 The pageants gave me, as a small-town girl, 152 00:07:41,808 --> 00:07:42,968 the chance to perform. 153 00:07:49,349 --> 00:07:52,079 So Mom thought you were too sexy for him? 154 00:07:52,185 --> 00:07:56,417 I guess she thought I was too pretty or something. 155 00:07:56,523 --> 00:07:59,287 Kirk and I were just ready for the big wedding, 156 00:07:59,392 --> 00:08:00,518 and everything was happy. 157 00:08:00,627 --> 00:08:01,855 The only problem is, 158 00:08:01,961 --> 00:08:03,986 I was wanting to get married in the Christian church, 159 00:08:04,097 --> 00:08:06,429 and he was getting pressure from the other side, 160 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:08,865 and so one day, he vanished into thin air. 161 00:08:08,968 --> 00:08:11,027 I don't mean he left me. I don't mean he abandoned me. 162 00:08:11,137 --> 00:08:12,832 I don't mean he left me for another woman. 163 00:08:12,939 --> 00:08:15,271 I mean he evaporated into thin air. 164 00:08:15,375 --> 00:08:17,536 He wasn't the kind of person to just run off like that. 165 00:08:17,644 --> 00:08:19,202 His things were still at my place, 166 00:08:19,312 --> 00:08:21,906 and, you know, it was just weird. 167 00:08:23,116 --> 00:08:24,743 I did what any American girl would do 168 00:08:24,851 --> 00:08:26,546 if her fianc� vanished into thin air: 169 00:08:26,653 --> 00:08:27,551 I looked for him. 170 00:08:27,654 --> 00:08:29,246 I went to L.A., 171 00:08:29,355 --> 00:08:31,846 and I worked three jobs trying to save up enough money 172 00:08:31,958 --> 00:08:33,186 to pay a private investigator 173 00:08:33,293 --> 00:08:34,692 to find out what happened to him. 174 00:08:34,794 --> 00:08:37,354 The private investigator found him in England. 175 00:08:37,463 --> 00:08:38,521 The Mormons had him. 176 00:08:38,631 --> 00:08:42,158 All young men in the Church, 177 00:08:42,268 --> 00:08:44,031 from the time that we're young boys, 178 00:08:44,137 --> 00:08:47,664 we're indoctrinated to prepare to go on mission. 179 00:08:47,774 --> 00:08:51,471 We sing songs like I Hope They Call Me On A Mission. 180 00:08:51,578 --> 00:08:56,880 # I hope they call me on a mission # 181 00:08:56,983 --> 00:09:01,352 You leave as a boy. You come back as a man. 182 00:09:01,454 --> 00:09:04,014 For Kirk, when he reaches the age of 19, 183 00:09:04,123 --> 00:09:06,717 he doesn't get whisked away from Joyce. 184 00:09:06,826 --> 00:09:08,088 He's just fulfilling 185 00:09:08,194 --> 00:09:11,163 his religious spiritual responsibilities. 186 00:09:15,401 --> 00:09:19,804 Joyce knew where he'd gone and set up this plan 187 00:09:19,906 --> 00:09:23,137 with her strange, unexplained friend Keith May 188 00:09:23,243 --> 00:09:26,804 to come over to the U.K. 189 00:09:26,913 --> 00:09:29,177 I had a really good friend from Torrance, California. 190 00:09:29,282 --> 00:09:30,442 He was an architect, 191 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:32,518 and his name was Keith Joseph May. 192 00:09:32,619 --> 00:09:34,917 Everybody called him "K.J." 193 00:09:35,021 --> 00:09:36,784 K.J. Was like my big brother, and he said to me, 194 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:39,154 "I don't want you going over there to England by yourself." 195 00:09:39,259 --> 00:09:41,124 Said, "You don't know what they're gonna do to ya." 196 00:09:41,227 --> 00:09:43,821 All I knew is this powerful group 197 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:47,627 had done something to the man I loved. 198 00:09:47,734 --> 00:09:49,326 We got two bodyguards to go with us. 199 00:09:49,435 --> 00:09:51,369 One was a big guy that was... 200 00:09:51,471 --> 00:09:53,962 what do you call... a body-builder guy. 201 00:09:54,073 --> 00:09:55,472 And the other was a pilot. 202 00:09:58,011 --> 00:09:59,376 I was interested in something 203 00:09:59,479 --> 00:10:03,108 a little bit more exciting than what I was doing. 204 00:10:03,216 --> 00:10:04,774 I saw an ad in the newspaper. 205 00:10:04,884 --> 00:10:08,081 They wanted a pilot to fly short trips in England, 206 00:10:08,187 --> 00:10:10,655 and it sounded kind of interesting to me. 207 00:10:10,757 --> 00:10:13,248 So I called the phone number, and a gentleman answered, 208 00:10:13,359 --> 00:10:15,850 and an appointment was made for the following week. 209 00:10:15,962 --> 00:10:17,486 I was expecting to go to an office 210 00:10:17,597 --> 00:10:18,859 or something like that, 211 00:10:18,965 --> 00:10:20,990 but it turned out to be an apartment building. 212 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:22,397 [Buzzer buzzing] 213 00:10:24,971 --> 00:10:28,236 I was taken in by a gentleman by the name of Keith. 214 00:10:28,341 --> 00:10:30,434 And after I was there for a few minutes, 215 00:10:30,543 --> 00:10:31,737 why, Joyce came out. 216 00:10:31,844 --> 00:10:33,778 Tell me about that first meeting. 217 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,872 Well, I was favorably impressed. 218 00:10:36,983 --> 00:10:39,417 She had a totally see-through blouse on. 219 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:40,781 I can even remember the color. 220 00:10:40,887 --> 00:10:43,913 It was a light brown, totally see-through blouse. 221 00:10:44,023 --> 00:10:45,081 No bra? 222 00:10:45,191 --> 00:10:47,318 - No bra, see-through blouse. 223 00:10:52,131 --> 00:10:56,090 She was very, very easy to talk to. 224 00:10:56,202 --> 00:10:58,898 At one point, she came over and sat down next to me. 225 00:10:59,005 --> 00:11:02,236 I was trying to perceive what type of relationship 226 00:11:02,342 --> 00:11:05,334 existed between Keith and her at that point. 227 00:11:05,445 --> 00:11:07,242 Perhaps maybe down the line, 228 00:11:07,347 --> 00:11:09,781 I might want to ask this girl out for dinner or something. 229 00:11:11,584 --> 00:11:13,484 Joyce had a trunk that she brought out, 230 00:11:13,586 --> 00:11:17,488 and in it were folders, pictures, tablets, 231 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:20,923 letters from a private investigator in England. 232 00:11:21,027 --> 00:11:25,225 She then unraveled a story to me that was just unreal. 233 00:11:28,368 --> 00:11:32,862 Joyce had hired bodyguards, she told me, from Gold's Gym. 234 00:11:32,972 --> 00:11:34,030 She was gonna put 'em up 235 00:11:34,140 --> 00:11:37,473 while they were there in England, 236 00:11:37,577 --> 00:11:42,310 and they were going to liberate her fianc� from this cult group. 237 00:11:42,415 --> 00:11:43,848 In the back of my mind, 238 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:46,214 I was trying to figure out how she could have all this money 239 00:11:46,319 --> 00:11:47,809 to take all these people to England. 240 00:11:49,989 --> 00:11:53,288 She told me she was a model. 241 00:11:53,393 --> 00:11:56,123 I didn't realize models made that kind of money. 242 00:11:58,898 --> 00:12:02,095 We actually hired some guys to go with us from Los Angeles 243 00:12:02,201 --> 00:12:04,135 in case we were attacked or anything. 244 00:12:04,237 --> 00:12:05,670 I didn't know what was gonna happen. 245 00:12:05,772 --> 00:12:07,865 I didn't know what I was gonna be walking into. 246 00:12:07,974 --> 00:12:11,637 I didn't know if they would release him willingly or what. 247 00:12:11,744 --> 00:12:13,712 I didn't know if they would do something to hurt me. 248 00:12:13,813 --> 00:12:15,007 I didn't know. 249 00:12:15,114 --> 00:12:17,674 Joyce called me and wanted to know 250 00:12:17,784 --> 00:12:21,982 if I would fly her someplace in an airplane locally for dinner. 251 00:12:22,088 --> 00:12:23,521 That sounded pretty good. 252 00:12:23,623 --> 00:12:26,091 I thought it might possibly be an overnight trip or something, 253 00:12:26,192 --> 00:12:28,183 and I was more than up for that. 254 00:12:28,294 --> 00:12:31,457 But when Joyce showed up, much to my surprise, 255 00:12:31,564 --> 00:12:33,464 Keith was with her. 256 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:36,694 I felt this was a time that I could try to make 257 00:12:36,803 --> 00:12:38,998 a determination on how real she was 258 00:12:39,105 --> 00:12:40,868 and her financial ability. 259 00:12:40,973 --> 00:12:45,171 So I did rent the most expensive airplane that was possible, 260 00:12:45,278 --> 00:12:48,714 single-engine, a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza. 261 00:12:51,484 --> 00:12:53,543 When you rent an airplane like that, 262 00:12:53,653 --> 00:12:55,245 you have to give 'em a credit card, 263 00:12:55,354 --> 00:12:57,720 and they lock in the approximate amount it was gonna be. 264 00:12:57,824 --> 00:12:59,223 Joyce didn't have a credit card. 265 00:12:59,325 --> 00:13:00,986 But she did bring out an envelope 266 00:13:01,094 --> 00:13:02,789 filled with hundred-dollar bills. 267 00:13:02,895 --> 00:13:04,886 [Cash register rings] 268 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:10,396 That brought me a little bit closer to realizing 269 00:13:10,503 --> 00:13:14,337 maybe she has the money to do what she wants to do. 270 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,930 So we flew down to San Diego. 271 00:13:16,042 --> 00:13:17,600 We had dinner, and we flew back. 272 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:18,870 Didn't stay the night. 273 00:13:18,978 --> 00:13:20,411 No. No. 274 00:13:20,513 --> 00:13:23,141 Keith was with her, and so... 275 00:13:23,249 --> 00:13:25,149 that was three people there. 276 00:13:25,251 --> 00:13:27,378 That's not for me. 277 00:13:31,691 --> 00:13:33,659 I take it that you were attracted to Joyce. 278 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:35,693 Yes. 279 00:13:35,795 --> 00:13:38,855 She was in her late 20s, had an outstanding figure, 280 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:42,901 had a Southern accent, long blonde hair. 281 00:13:44,504 --> 00:13:47,473 Any heterosexual male would be attracted to Joyce. 282 00:13:51,277 --> 00:13:53,939 Prior to our departure from the United States to England, 283 00:13:54,046 --> 00:13:55,980 they wanted me to meet the bodyguard. 284 00:13:56,082 --> 00:13:58,175 His name was Gil. 285 00:13:58,284 --> 00:13:59,581 Gil would come to their place. 286 00:13:59,685 --> 00:14:00,947 I would come to their place, 287 00:14:01,053 --> 00:14:03,920 then we would go down to the beach. 288 00:14:04,023 --> 00:14:07,151 Then they told me the beach they we�re going to was a nude beach. 289 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:09,592 Well, I've never been to a nude beach, 290 00:14:09,695 --> 00:14:12,755 so that really slowed me down a little bit. 291 00:14:12,865 --> 00:14:14,696 Joyce spread out a blanket 292 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,792 and proceeded to take off all her clothes. 293 00:14:17,904 --> 00:14:19,269 Totally. 294 00:14:20,673 --> 00:14:23,699 Very quickly, three to four guys showed up 295 00:14:23,809 --> 00:14:25,834 around the blanket and started taking pictures. 296 00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:27,845 I don't know where they came from. 297 00:14:27,947 --> 00:14:29,972 Joyce protested, tried to stop them. 298 00:14:30,082 --> 00:14:31,515 She claimed that she was a model, 299 00:14:31,617 --> 00:14:33,676 and she didn't want photographs taken of her. 300 00:14:33,786 --> 00:14:35,378 After about 15 minutes, 301 00:14:35,488 --> 00:14:38,150 Joyce put on her clothes, and we left the beach. 302 00:14:38,257 --> 00:14:42,353 And so we met at Los Angeles International Airport. 303 00:14:42,461 --> 00:14:44,952 Keith May was there, Joyce McKinney, 304 00:14:45,064 --> 00:14:46,759 Gil Parker, and myself. 305 00:14:52,338 --> 00:14:54,602 First off, Gil Parker had a problem 306 00:14:54,707 --> 00:14:57,073 when he went through customs. 307 00:14:57,176 --> 00:14:59,041 They asked him what his occupation was, 308 00:14:59,145 --> 00:15:00,703 and he told 'em he was a bodyguard. 309 00:15:00,813 --> 00:15:02,110 And they said, "For who?" 310 00:15:02,215 --> 00:15:04,342 And they said, "For Joyce and Keith." 311 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:06,680 Well, that put up a red flag, evidently, in customs, 312 00:15:06,786 --> 00:15:07,946 and they pulled him out. 313 00:15:08,054 --> 00:15:10,079 Well, that scared Gil right there. 314 00:15:10,189 --> 00:15:14,683 Then, on the second day, we were in a motel room together, 315 00:15:14,794 --> 00:15:17,661 and Joyce had a lot of baggage. 316 00:15:17,763 --> 00:15:20,129 I'd never seen anybody travel with so many bags. 317 00:15:20,233 --> 00:15:22,201 And they took out wireless microphone 318 00:15:22,301 --> 00:15:23,495 and listening devices. 319 00:15:23,603 --> 00:15:24,900 Surprised me. 320 00:15:25,004 --> 00:15:26,767 I wasn't sure what they we�re going to use it for. 321 00:15:26,872 --> 00:15:28,237 It was something you could probably 322 00:15:28,341 --> 00:15:29,706 just have carried through customs, 323 00:15:29,809 --> 00:15:32,642 but they had it inside of a portable radio. 324 00:15:32,745 --> 00:15:35,441 Well, when Gil seen this, that about did it for him. 325 00:15:35,548 --> 00:15:37,038 That was when he called me outside 326 00:15:37,149 --> 00:15:38,912 and said he wanted to go back the next day. 327 00:15:41,087 --> 00:15:43,817 The private investigator had told Joyce 328 00:15:43,923 --> 00:15:46,357 two or three different places where Kirk was at, 329 00:15:46,459 --> 00:15:48,984 and Keith was gonna go into some of these places 330 00:15:49,095 --> 00:15:51,586 where this cult group was supposed to be, 331 00:15:51,697 --> 00:15:52,925 ask questions, 332 00:15:53,032 --> 00:15:56,126 and it would be transmitted out to Joyce in the car... 333 00:15:56,235 --> 00:15:57,532 wirelessly. 334 00:15:57,637 --> 00:16:00,629 [Radio static buzzing] 335 00:16:03,676 --> 00:16:07,009 Keith May and I, we wanted to go out a little bit on our own, 336 00:16:07,113 --> 00:16:10,913 but Joyce was keeping us so busy, we couldn't, 337 00:16:11,017 --> 00:16:11,984 so one day, she... 338 00:16:12,084 --> 00:16:13,176 Keeping you so busy? 339 00:16:13,286 --> 00:16:14,583 Yeah, driving places, 340 00:16:14,687 --> 00:16:17,178 checking out places, walking places. 341 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:19,952 She had this wig, this wig she called "Matilda." 342 00:16:20,059 --> 00:16:21,651 And she'd wear this strange wig 343 00:16:21,761 --> 00:16:24,457 when we'd go out driving sometime and sunglasses. 344 00:16:24,563 --> 00:16:26,622 And any time we'd go down near one of these churches 345 00:16:26,732 --> 00:16:28,359 where they were trying to find out 346 00:16:28,467 --> 00:16:30,697 if Kirk was gonna be at that church 347 00:16:30,803 --> 00:16:32,464 or if that was one he frequented, 348 00:16:32,571 --> 00:16:34,698 she'd have that wig on. 349 00:16:34,807 --> 00:16:38,607 We were across, in front of a building. 350 00:16:38,711 --> 00:16:42,306 Outcome two young men dressed in suits, 351 00:16:42,415 --> 00:16:44,406 a tie, and a white shirt. 352 00:16:44,517 --> 00:16:46,678 And she told me, "There is Kirk." 353 00:16:46,786 --> 00:16:48,447 Well, I was totally surprised. 354 00:16:48,554 --> 00:16:50,613 This was nobody being held captive. 355 00:16:50,723 --> 00:16:52,816 And that's when Joyce kind of leveled with me. 356 00:16:52,925 --> 00:16:56,258 She showed me a bottle of chloroform, 357 00:16:56,362 --> 00:17:00,765 and I'd already seen this phony gun they had. 358 00:17:00,866 --> 00:17:03,232 I was going to be no part of any of this, 359 00:17:03,336 --> 00:17:04,963 and I told her that. 360 00:17:09,442 --> 00:17:13,538 So she arrives with Keith May, lurks around, 361 00:17:13,646 --> 00:17:17,639 waits around outside the temple of whatever it was, 362 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:19,877 Latter-Day Saints of something or other, 363 00:17:19,985 --> 00:17:22,818 waited for this huge, shuffling figure to come out 364 00:17:22,922 --> 00:17:25,322 with his short Mormon haircut 365 00:17:25,424 --> 00:17:29,861 and pointed a gun at him and said, "Get into the car." 366 00:17:29,962 --> 00:17:31,486 In the final analysis, 367 00:17:31,597 --> 00:17:34,691 the one way they were able to make contact with Kirk... 368 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,165 Keith called him and told him 369 00:17:36,268 --> 00:17:38,498 he wanted to convert to the Mormon religion, 370 00:17:38,604 --> 00:17:40,936 and they thought they had a new convert. 371 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,769 Now, I'm not sure this is the exact scenario, 372 00:17:42,875 --> 00:17:44,775 but at that point, Keith used the gun 373 00:17:44,877 --> 00:17:46,071 to get him out to the car. 374 00:17:46,178 --> 00:17:48,738 [Gun clicks] 375 00:17:48,848 --> 00:17:51,715 So you drive up in your rental car with K. J. 376 00:17:51,817 --> 00:17:54,047 I waited, and K.J. Went in, 377 00:17:54,153 --> 00:17:56,519 because they're not supposed to be in the room alone with girls. 378 00:17:56,622 --> 00:17:59,682 So K.J. Went in and said, "Joyce is in the car." 379 00:17:59,792 --> 00:18:01,089 And Kirk turned around, 380 00:18:01,193 --> 00:18:03,058 and he threw the keys to his companion and said, 381 00:18:03,162 --> 00:18:04,959 "I've got to go out in the car and get something. 382 00:18:05,064 --> 00:18:07,760 I'll be right back." 383 00:18:07,867 --> 00:18:10,062 So he goes out with K.J.? 384 00:18:10,169 --> 00:18:12,069 Yeah, and didn't come back, 385 00:18:12,171 --> 00:18:14,662 and his poor old dumb companion is sitting there 386 00:18:14,774 --> 00:18:17,299 staring like he's catching flies, 387 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:19,537 looking out the window, waiting for him to come back. 388 00:18:19,645 --> 00:18:21,442 [Laughs] 389 00:18:22,982 --> 00:18:24,779 He got in the car, and he goes, 390 00:18:24,884 --> 00:18:26,317 "How long have you been in England?" 391 00:18:26,419 --> 00:18:27,681 Like a robot. 392 00:18:27,787 --> 00:18:29,448 He was almost speaking in a monotone voice, 393 00:18:29,555 --> 00:18:32,388 and he'd go, "They said you didn't love me anymore." 394 00:18:32,491 --> 00:18:34,959 It was like he had a personality alteration, 395 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:38,791 Kirk Number 1 and Kirk Number 2. 396 00:18:38,898 --> 00:18:42,356 Kirk Number 1 was the man I fell in love with. 397 00:18:42,468 --> 00:18:44,902 Kirk Number 2 was Cult Kirk. 398 00:18:48,941 --> 00:18:50,238 [Engine turns over] 399 00:18:50,342 --> 00:18:53,106 According to all the reports at the time, 400 00:18:53,212 --> 00:18:58,775 he was driven 250 miles to a cottage in Devon. 401 00:18:58,884 --> 00:19:02,684 She had a suitcase full of all the equipment required, 402 00:19:02,788 --> 00:19:03,948 including, I gather, 403 00:19:04,056 --> 00:19:08,152 some Los Angeles Police Department 404 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:12,162 Smith & Wesson handcuffs. 405 00:19:12,264 --> 00:19:17,031 And he was taken in and chained to... 406 00:19:17,136 --> 00:19:19,434 Joyce claims it was ropes, not chains, 407 00:19:19,538 --> 00:19:20,971 but chains sounds better. 408 00:19:21,073 --> 00:19:24,099 Anyway, he was allegedly chained to a bed, 409 00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:25,734 first by his ankle 410 00:19:25,845 --> 00:19:27,938 so that he could actually reach the toilet. 411 00:19:28,047 --> 00:19:30,709 The chain was long enough for him to get to the toilet. 412 00:19:30,816 --> 00:19:32,647 Subsequently, with the help of Keith May, 413 00:19:32,751 --> 00:19:33,911 was spread-eagled... 414 00:19:34,019 --> 00:19:35,008 spread-eagled... 415 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,748 which is this wonderful bondage word... 416 00:19:37,857 --> 00:19:40,189 was spread-eagled to the bed, 417 00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:45,195 and Keith May discreetly left the room at this point, I think, 418 00:19:45,297 --> 00:19:47,197 closed the door behind him, 419 00:19:47,299 --> 00:19:49,767 and Joyce had sex with him. 420 00:19:52,905 --> 00:19:54,031 And she said to him 421 00:19:54,139 --> 00:19:56,164 she was going to go on having sex with him 422 00:19:56,275 --> 00:19:59,244 until she found she had missed a period 423 00:19:59,345 --> 00:20:02,712 and would then hopefully be pregnant by him. 424 00:20:02,815 --> 00:20:05,215 She wanted to be inseminated? 425 00:20:05,317 --> 00:20:07,615 Yes, I think that's the polite word for it. 426 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:14,188 Kirk and I went to this cottage down in England. 427 00:20:14,293 --> 00:20:17,091 Well, I think they called it the Devon area down there. 428 00:20:17,196 --> 00:20:19,221 Real Franco Zeffirelli. 429 00:20:19,331 --> 00:20:21,765 You know, like Brother Sun, Sister Moon type shots. 430 00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,392 If you saw that film, that's what it looked like. 431 00:20:24,503 --> 00:20:27,404 Clare! 432 00:20:27,506 --> 00:20:29,974 You shouldn't have come, but I knew you would. 433 00:20:30,075 --> 00:20:31,167 I knew. 434 00:20:31,277 --> 00:20:32,471 I have to tell you, 435 00:20:32,578 --> 00:20:34,671 and I don't care if the whole world knows it. 436 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:38,477 From now on, I'm not asking to be loved. 437 00:20:38,584 --> 00:20:40,211 I want to love! 438 00:20:48,794 --> 00:20:50,762 Okay, if you can get that vision 439 00:20:50,863 --> 00:20:53,457 set in your head, Mr. Filmmaker. 440 00:20:53,566 --> 00:20:55,295 How'd you find this place? 441 00:20:55,401 --> 00:20:58,029 Well, I was looking for someplace peaceful 442 00:20:58,137 --> 00:20:59,627 where he could normalize, 443 00:20:59,738 --> 00:21:06,007 someplace where he could come back to Kirk Number 1. 444 00:21:06,111 --> 00:21:11,014 I had a big fireplace, patchwork quilt, silk sheets... 445 00:21:11,116 --> 00:21:13,516 blue to match his eyes, with his initials on it... 446 00:21:13,619 --> 00:21:17,749 cinnamon oil back rub, 'cause he loved my back rubs, 447 00:21:17,856 --> 00:21:20,848 and all his favorite foods in the fridge. 448 00:21:23,729 --> 00:21:26,391 What were his favorite foods in the fridge? 449 00:21:26,498 --> 00:21:30,195 - Oh, I had chocolate cake and Southern-fried chicken. 450 00:21:30,302 --> 00:21:31,462 He loved my chicken. 451 00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:32,832 Mashed potatoes. 452 00:21:34,306 --> 00:21:37,002 I made everything that he wanted. 453 00:21:37,109 --> 00:21:40,601 I was like his little, you know, wifey almost. 454 00:21:42,081 --> 00:21:43,309 We were slow-dancing. 455 00:21:43,415 --> 00:21:45,975 He got turned on as we were dancing. 456 00:21:46,085 --> 00:21:48,246 I'll be blunt. He had an erection, okay? 457 00:21:48,354 --> 00:21:51,346 And we sat down on the bed, and he said, 458 00:21:51,457 --> 00:21:52,754 "Can you give me a back rub?" 459 00:21:52,858 --> 00:21:55,156 And I got the cinnamon oil, which I had warmed, 460 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:56,352 and I was giving him a back rub. 461 00:21:56,462 --> 00:21:58,293 And he had these ugly garments on, and I said, 462 00:21:58,397 --> 00:21:59,989 "How am I supposed to give you a back rub 463 00:22:00,099 --> 00:22:02,067 with this Mormon thing on?" 464 00:22:02,167 --> 00:22:03,532 And I ripped the ugly things off, 465 00:22:03,636 --> 00:22:04,933 because they smelled, you know, 466 00:22:05,037 --> 00:22:06,561 and they had those occultic symbols, 467 00:22:06,672 --> 00:22:09,436 and I didn't want anything ugly there 468 00:22:09,541 --> 00:22:10,872 in our beautiful moment. 469 00:22:10,976 --> 00:22:13,501 You know, it was like a honeymoon cottage. 470 00:22:13,612 --> 00:22:16,240 And we burned 'em. We actually burned 'em. 471 00:22:16,348 --> 00:22:18,407 You ripped off his magic underwear 472 00:22:18,517 --> 00:22:19,711 and burned it? 473 00:22:19,818 --> 00:22:21,046 And I threw 'em in the fireplace 474 00:22:21,153 --> 00:22:22,620 where they belonged! 475 00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:25,121 Where they should put 'em all, as far as I'm concerned. 476 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:27,385 There's folk stories galore, 477 00:22:27,493 --> 00:22:32,692 legends of the temple garment protecting people from harm. 478 00:22:34,333 --> 00:22:36,528 The hooks, the psychic hooks of the temple 479 00:22:36,635 --> 00:22:41,663 are so... pried in so deep that even people 480 00:22:41,774 --> 00:22:45,972 who don't go to church anymore still wear them, 481 00:22:46,078 --> 00:22:47,636 because in the back of their mind, like... 482 00:22:47,746 --> 00:22:50,374 "What if I don't wear them, and then Satan's got me?" 483 00:22:53,752 --> 00:22:54,741 Kirk was impotent. 484 00:22:54,853 --> 00:23:00,314 He was sexually impotent because of this brainwashing. 485 00:23:01,827 --> 00:23:03,488 He's not supposed to have sexual feelings. 486 00:23:03,595 --> 00:23:05,586 He's not supposed to have emotional feelings. 487 00:23:05,698 --> 00:23:09,794 He's not supposed to fall in love. 488 00:23:09,902 --> 00:23:11,870 And we were in love. 489 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:15,633 He loved me, and I loved him. 490 00:23:15,741 --> 00:23:17,868 I knew there was only one way to get Kirk out of Mormonism, 491 00:23:17,976 --> 00:23:20,672 and that was to make love with him, 492 00:23:20,779 --> 00:23:21,973 because for a Mormon missionary 493 00:23:22,081 --> 00:23:23,844 to have a love affair is totally taboo. 494 00:23:23,949 --> 00:23:25,974 They can't be in a room alone with a girl 495 00:23:26,085 --> 00:23:29,350 without their companion with them to even shake hands. 496 00:23:29,455 --> 00:23:31,821 So if it took giving up my virginity 497 00:23:31,924 --> 00:23:34,392 in a romantic moonlit cottage, so be it. 498 00:23:34,493 --> 00:23:37,428 I just wanted him out of that cult. 499 00:23:37,529 --> 00:23:39,827 We started to make love, and all of a sudden, 500 00:23:39,932 --> 00:23:41,923 he jumps up on the bed like this, and he goes, 501 00:23:42,034 --> 00:23:43,729 "By the law of the holy prophet Joseph Smith, 502 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:45,770 "I cannot not touch my bodies or the bodies of others 503 00:23:45,871 --> 00:23:47,236 "in an unnatural, experimental way! 504 00:23:47,339 --> 00:23:48,533 By the law of the holy prophet..." 505 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,971 Hold a Book of Mormon firmly in hand. 506 00:23:50,075 --> 00:23:52,009 Sing a Mormon song. Sing a Mormon song. 507 00:23:52,111 --> 00:23:54,807 Because he's turned on, and he's not supposed to be. 508 00:23:54,913 --> 00:23:56,278 And I go, "Ha." 509 00:23:56,381 --> 00:23:58,645 I'd come across an ocean to find him, 510 00:23:58,751 --> 00:24:00,651 and the Mormons are in our bedroom? 511 00:24:00,753 --> 00:24:05,247 That moment, when his garments are coming off, 512 00:24:05,357 --> 00:24:07,416 that could have been a moment that triggered him, 513 00:24:07,526 --> 00:24:08,458 like, "Oh, my gosh." 514 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,289 "Oh, my heck," as they say in Utah. 515 00:24:10,395 --> 00:24:13,364 "I'm doing something wrong." 516 00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:15,893 I went back in the kitchen, 517 00:24:16,001 --> 00:24:17,662 and I got myself a real cold glass of water. 518 00:24:17,770 --> 00:24:19,032 Does he still have the erection 519 00:24:19,138 --> 00:24:20,196 while he's chanting? 520 00:24:20,305 --> 00:24:22,000 Well, I came back... to be continued... 521 00:24:22,107 --> 00:24:23,597 I came back in there, and I'm thinking, 522 00:24:23,709 --> 00:24:24,869 "Am I doing something wrong?" 523 00:24:24,977 --> 00:24:28,310 He started to cry. He had ejaculated, I guess. 524 00:24:28,413 --> 00:24:31,382 He said, "Please don't tell 'em about the filthy place, 525 00:24:31,483 --> 00:24:32,950 what happened at the filthy place." 526 00:24:33,051 --> 00:24:34,916 And I said, "Honey, what's wrong?" 527 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:37,181 He goes, "They'll know." 528 00:24:37,289 --> 00:24:39,849 I mean, every guy on the planet masturbates and has wet dreams. 529 00:24:39,958 --> 00:24:42,222 And I ask him, I said, "Honey, don't you have those dreams 530 00:24:42,327 --> 00:24:43,988 guys have or whatever they're called?" 531 00:24:44,096 --> 00:24:47,588 He goes, "Yeah, but I didn't tell 'em in the interview." 532 00:24:47,699 --> 00:24:48,757 I go, "What interview? 533 00:24:48,867 --> 00:24:50,459 They talk to you about this stuff?" 534 00:24:50,569 --> 00:24:52,366 He goes, "Yeah, once a week. 535 00:24:52,471 --> 00:24:54,063 "They take us in rooms by ourselves, 536 00:24:54,173 --> 00:24:57,267 and they say, 'M1, M2, M3? M1, M2, M3?"' 537 00:24:57,376 --> 00:24:58,400 I go, "What's that?" 538 00:24:58,510 --> 00:25:00,102 "Masturbation once, masturbation twice, 539 00:25:00,212 --> 00:25:01,201 "masturbation three times. 540 00:25:01,313 --> 00:25:02,280 "So many times, you're out. 541 00:25:02,381 --> 00:25:03,348 "You're Xed. You're home. 542 00:25:03,448 --> 00:25:04,506 "You're off your mission. 543 00:25:04,616 --> 00:25:05,981 You can't get married in the temple." 544 00:25:06,084 --> 00:25:08,848 I go, "Kirk, these people are controlling your sex drive. 545 00:25:08,954 --> 00:25:11,445 "They're controlling your mind. They're controlling your food. 546 00:25:11,557 --> 00:25:13,787 You can't have coffee, tea, or Pepsi-Cola." 547 00:25:15,994 --> 00:25:17,552 There was a Christian marriage manual, 548 00:25:17,663 --> 00:25:21,759 which I bought, which explained sex to young virgins. 549 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,529 There was a section in there on sexual impotence. 550 00:25:24,636 --> 00:25:25,830 Im-po-tence. 551 00:25:25,938 --> 00:25:28,065 L- M-P-O-T-E-N-C-E. 552 00:25:28,173 --> 00:25:32,735 And it said sometimes if a guy was very repressed sexually, 553 00:25:32,845 --> 00:25:34,676 which poor Kirk was, Lord knows, 554 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:37,374 that you could tie the person up, 555 00:25:37,482 --> 00:25:40,474 and they could say, "Ah, I'll let go." 556 00:25:40,586 --> 00:25:42,747 You know, "I can finally let go and make love." 557 00:25:42,855 --> 00:25:45,517 And so I went, and I read that section really quick, 558 00:25:45,624 --> 00:25:46,921 speed-read it. 559 00:25:47,025 --> 00:25:48,458 And I come back and I said, 560 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,551 "Honey, we're going to try some of these exercises." 561 00:25:50,662 --> 00:25:51,720 And so we did. 562 00:25:55,067 --> 00:25:56,967 We made love, actually, for three days. 563 00:25:57,069 --> 00:26:00,596 We sort of, like, didn't get out of bed. 564 00:26:00,706 --> 00:26:03,231 It was the honeymoon, was what it was for me. 565 00:26:06,578 --> 00:26:07,977 I wanted us to have a good sex life. 566 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,513 I wanted to be a good wife to Kirk, 567 00:26:09,615 --> 00:26:12,448 and I wanted to give him lots of babies in my tummy. 568 00:26:12,551 --> 00:26:14,576 I didn't look at sex as a bad thing with him. 569 00:26:14,686 --> 00:26:17,211 I looked at it as a melting of two souls, 570 00:26:17,322 --> 00:26:20,086 because when he kissed me, 571 00:26:20,192 --> 00:26:22,956 it was like we melted into one person. 572 00:26:23,061 --> 00:26:29,762 It was like I didn't know where I stopped and he began. 573 00:26:29,868 --> 00:26:31,301 We were lying there, holding hands, 574 00:26:31,403 --> 00:26:34,372 and his little missionary glasses were kind of askew. 575 00:26:34,473 --> 00:26:36,703 And he goes, "Guess we're married in God's eyes." 576 00:26:36,808 --> 00:26:38,275 I go, "Yup, we are." 577 00:26:38,377 --> 00:26:40,208 He says, "Guess we better make it official." 578 00:26:40,312 --> 00:26:42,712 He said, "Let's go into London, and let's get married." 579 00:26:42,814 --> 00:26:45,578 [Engine turns over] 580 00:26:45,684 --> 00:26:47,777 We took the rental car, and we went into town, 581 00:26:47,886 --> 00:26:51,185 to London, and we saw Trafalgar Square. 582 00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:53,155 They had, like, pigeons. We fed the pigeons. 583 00:26:53,258 --> 00:26:54,520 And so I said, "Oh, Kirk. 584 00:26:54,626 --> 00:26:56,423 "We've got this cool cafe we want to take you to. 585 00:26:56,528 --> 00:26:58,962 It's called the Hard Rock Cafe." 586 00:26:59,064 --> 00:27:00,964 And there were cops running around everywhere. 587 00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:02,761 What do they call 'em, bobbies or whatever? 588 00:27:02,868 --> 00:27:04,130 British cops. 589 00:27:04,236 --> 00:27:07,069 If Kirk felt kidnapped at any time, he could have said, 590 00:27:07,172 --> 00:27:10,107 "Hey, this little pint-sized girl here has me kidnapped. 591 00:27:10,208 --> 00:27:11,732 Can you please help me, 'occifer'?" 592 00:27:11,843 --> 00:27:13,811 But he didn't. 593 00:27:13,912 --> 00:27:15,903 Kirk says, "Well, I'm gonna go over across the street 594 00:27:16,014 --> 00:27:17,174 and get a newspaper." 595 00:27:17,282 --> 00:27:22,276 So he went over, by himself, got a newspaper, 596 00:27:22,387 --> 00:27:23,911 came back to the table, 597 00:27:24,022 --> 00:27:26,456 slammed that newspaper down on the table. 598 00:27:26,558 --> 00:27:28,219 He's white as a ghost. 599 00:27:28,327 --> 00:27:30,989 And we said, "What's wrong?" 600 00:27:35,767 --> 00:27:37,325 It was so shocking. 601 00:27:37,436 --> 00:27:39,961 It sounded like Scotland Yard was after us or something. 602 00:27:40,072 --> 00:27:42,563 And I'm sitting there with my "kidnap victim" 603 00:27:42,674 --> 00:27:44,733 eating a burger with a hundred people 604 00:27:44,843 --> 00:27:46,242 in a crowded tourist restaurant. 605 00:27:46,345 --> 00:27:47,778 Kirk says, "Well, maybe if I call 'em 606 00:27:47,879 --> 00:27:50,006 and let them know I'm alive and okay." 607 00:27:50,115 --> 00:27:51,878 He says, "Oh, they're gonna ask me about sex. 608 00:27:51,984 --> 00:27:54,179 "Oh, they're gonna ask me about sex. 609 00:27:54,286 --> 00:27:57,949 What am I gonna say? They're gonna ask me about sex." 610 00:27:58,056 --> 00:27:59,523 I says, "Can't you just tell them?" 611 00:27:59,624 --> 00:28:02,525 "Oh, no, I can't! Can't tell 'em we had sex! 612 00:28:02,627 --> 00:28:05,460 Oh, they'll excommunicate me. Oh, my mother will be so mad." 613 00:28:05,564 --> 00:28:08,226 We called his mother. We called my dad. 614 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,426 We called from the phone booth at Trafalgar Square. 615 00:28:10,535 --> 00:28:12,935 [Coins clanking] 616 00:28:13,038 --> 00:28:14,528 [Rotary dial whirring] 617 00:28:14,639 --> 00:28:16,436 Kirk said to my dad, "Mr. McKinney, 618 00:28:16,541 --> 00:28:18,372 I love your daughter, and I'm gonna marry her." 619 00:28:18,477 --> 00:28:20,377 And my dad said, "Welcome to the family, son." 620 00:28:20,479 --> 00:28:21,605 [Coins clanking] 621 00:28:21,713 --> 00:28:22,907 When we called his mother, 622 00:28:23,015 --> 00:28:24,846 I could hear her screeching across the Atlantic. 623 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:26,679 "Oh, you've ruined your eternal progression! 624 00:28:26,785 --> 00:28:28,013 "Don't you know what you've done? 625 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,485 "How could you get involved with that girl? 626 00:28:29,588 --> 00:28:30,953 You've not had sex with her, have you?" 627 00:28:31,056 --> 00:28:32,216 [Coins clanking] 628 00:28:32,324 --> 00:28:34,155 The mission president was, "Yadda, yadda, yadda. 629 00:28:34,259 --> 00:28:35,851 Oh, you've been kidnapped," and da, da, da. 630 00:28:35,961 --> 00:28:37,656 And Kirk could hardly get a word in edgewise. 631 00:28:37,763 --> 00:28:39,993 He'd say, "But I'm really okay, President Eyre." 632 00:28:40,098 --> 00:28:40,996 [Stammering] 633 00:28:41,099 --> 00:28:41,997 "When the news media... 634 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,499 [stammering] 635 00:28:43,602 --> 00:28:44,967 Kirk hung up, and he goes, 636 00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:47,470 "You know, they've got Scotland Yard and the FBI. 637 00:28:47,572 --> 00:28:49,563 "How about if I just go back in, and you guys stay here, 638 00:28:49,674 --> 00:28:51,938 "so they can't do nothing like arrest you guys or anything, 639 00:28:52,044 --> 00:28:54,569 and I go back in and show 'em I'm okay." 640 00:28:54,679 --> 00:28:58,410 And I'll never forget that day. It was a real Kodak moment. 641 00:28:58,517 --> 00:28:59,882 Victoria Station in those days 642 00:28:59,985 --> 00:29:01,475 had a beautiful old-fashioned train 643 00:29:01,586 --> 00:29:02,917 that pulled out with one of those... 644 00:29:03,021 --> 00:29:04,215 [mimics train chugging] 645 00:29:04,322 --> 00:29:07,257 [Train chugging] 646 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:10,988 And the last thing I remember of Kirk Number 1 is, 647 00:29:11,096 --> 00:29:12,188 he got on the train, 648 00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:15,164 and he mouthed the words, "I love you." 649 00:29:15,267 --> 00:29:17,667 And I go, "I love you too, baby." 650 00:29:17,769 --> 00:29:23,105 If Kirk went away with Joyce willingly... 651 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:26,405 and had sex with her... 652 00:29:26,511 --> 00:29:32,507 the guilt that would come over him so strongly after the fact 653 00:29:32,617 --> 00:29:34,881 could be overwhelming. 654 00:29:36,988 --> 00:29:38,512 K.J. And I turned and walked away, 655 00:29:38,623 --> 00:29:39,817 and he goes, "Don't worry. 656 00:29:39,925 --> 00:29:41,790 "He'll be okay. He loves you. 657 00:29:41,893 --> 00:29:43,793 You got the man you love. What you worried about?" 658 00:29:43,895 --> 00:29:46,363 I says, "I don't know, K.J. Some nagging feeling. 659 00:29:46,465 --> 00:29:47,796 I'm worried." 660 00:29:47,899 --> 00:29:51,596 So we went back to the cottage, and we packed everything up. 661 00:29:51,703 --> 00:29:53,261 I remember I had my wedding dress, 662 00:29:53,371 --> 00:29:57,535 a pretty white dress I was gonna use for our wedding. 663 00:29:57,642 --> 00:29:59,007 Put flowers in my hair. 664 00:29:59,111 --> 00:30:04,310 Also, our wedding bands with our names engraved inside. 665 00:30:04,416 --> 00:30:06,077 It said, "Joyce and Kirk. 666 00:30:06,184 --> 00:30:11,349 He lift thee, and thee lift me, and we will ascend together." 667 00:30:13,091 --> 00:30:15,491 Even after we grew old and died, 668 00:30:15,594 --> 00:30:19,052 we would rise into the heavens together as man and wife. 669 00:30:29,908 --> 00:30:32,706 This bizarre story began here last Wednesday. 670 00:30:32,811 --> 00:30:34,904 Kirk Anderson, a young Mormon missionary 671 00:30:35,013 --> 00:30:37,846 was talking outside to a man with a Canadian accent. 672 00:30:37,949 --> 00:30:39,507 He then disappeared. 673 00:30:39,618 --> 00:30:41,108 But early today, he phoned police 674 00:30:41,219 --> 00:30:42,379 and told them he was kidnapped. 675 00:30:42,487 --> 00:30:44,182 A blanket had been placed over his head. 676 00:30:44,289 --> 00:30:45,779 He'd been driven to a house 677 00:30:45,891 --> 00:30:48,951 where he'd been blindfolded and his legs shackled. 678 00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:50,186 [TV clicks] 679 00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:54,355 When I got back to my apartment in Long Beach, 680 00:30:54,466 --> 00:30:55,865 the landlady called me in 681 00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:58,458 and said the Long Beach Homicide Department had been there, 682 00:30:58,570 --> 00:31:01,471 and they wanted me to come down to the police station. 683 00:31:01,573 --> 00:31:04,007 And that really freaked me out. 684 00:31:04,109 --> 00:31:05,872 Why the Homicide Department, I don't know. 685 00:31:07,145 --> 00:31:08,203 I told them everything. 686 00:31:08,313 --> 00:31:10,543 Then we went down, had a cup of coffee. 687 00:31:10,649 --> 00:31:12,913 Then they asked me to come back and tell 'em again, 688 00:31:13,018 --> 00:31:14,349 the same story. 689 00:31:14,452 --> 00:31:16,579 They had tape recorded the first time I said it, 690 00:31:16,688 --> 00:31:17,916 and they wanted to make sure 691 00:31:18,023 --> 00:31:19,752 that when I told it a second time, 692 00:31:19,858 --> 00:31:22,349 it was exactly the same story, which it was. 693 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:24,223 I told 'em the truth. 694 00:31:24,329 --> 00:31:26,661 They got kind of a big kick out of it, 695 00:31:26,765 --> 00:31:28,756 considering they hadn't found him yet, 696 00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:29,925 about the whole story. 697 00:31:30,035 --> 00:31:31,366 The Manacled Mormon. 698 00:31:31,469 --> 00:31:33,437 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it boiled down to. 699 00:31:35,207 --> 00:31:37,801 I was a Mormon missionary in Exeter, okay? 700 00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:39,001 This is in Devon. 701 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:43,308 And I was at a church member's house, 702 00:31:43,415 --> 00:31:44,746 and they were a younger couple. 703 00:31:44,849 --> 00:31:48,615 And they sort of sat down and told us the whole story 704 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120 of Joyce McKinney and the Manacled Mormon. 705 00:31:51,223 --> 00:31:54,818 It reminds me of those cultures 706 00:31:54,926 --> 00:31:57,793 that have stories of the vagina dentata, 707 00:31:57,896 --> 00:32:01,127 the women with the toothed vagina. 708 00:32:01,233 --> 00:32:04,794 They become cautionary tales about sexual impropriety, 709 00:32:04,903 --> 00:32:09,636 the dangerous powers of women, 710 00:32:09,741 --> 00:32:13,973 women that can seduce a young missionary 711 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,206 who are on God's errand. 712 00:32:17,215 --> 00:32:18,341 Young men, once they receive 713 00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:20,179 what's called the Melchizedek priesthood, 714 00:32:20,285 --> 00:32:22,515 they are endowed with power from on high. 715 00:32:22,621 --> 00:32:25,317 They go through... we go through... I went through 716 00:32:25,423 --> 00:32:29,325 an elaborate "endowment" through the Mormon Temples 717 00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:32,555 where we received sacred underwear 718 00:32:32,664 --> 00:32:36,361 and sacred knowledge of keys to heaven. 719 00:32:36,468 --> 00:32:38,595 You reenact the Garden of Eden scenario, 720 00:32:38,703 --> 00:32:41,035 and there's an actor that performs Lucifer. 721 00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:44,131 And he says in a menacing tone, 722 00:32:44,242 --> 00:32:46,437 "Those of you who don't live up 723 00:32:46,544 --> 00:32:48,444 "to the covenants that you make 724 00:32:48,546 --> 00:32:51,174 "on the altar of the temple this day 725 00:32:51,283 --> 00:32:53,751 will be in my power." 726 00:32:53,852 --> 00:32:55,649 [Thunder crashing] 727 00:32:55,754 --> 00:32:59,713 And one of the covenants that you make is the law of chastity, 728 00:32:59,824 --> 00:33:01,758 that you will only have sexual relationships 729 00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:07,298 with he or she to whom you are legally and lawfully wedded. 730 00:33:15,507 --> 00:33:18,806 "Manacled Mormon Sex Slave" wrecks that, doesn't it? 731 00:33:18,910 --> 00:33:20,172 Completely wrecks that. 732 00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:25,614 If Kirk Anderson was a willing Manacled Mormon, 733 00:33:25,717 --> 00:33:31,155 he will have violated his temple covenants, 734 00:33:31,256 --> 00:33:34,919 violated the law of chastity. 735 00:33:35,026 --> 00:33:37,859 What he risks is excommunication from the church, 736 00:33:37,962 --> 00:33:40,692 and greater than that, 737 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,998 unless he repents, he won't be able to, ultimately, 738 00:33:46,104 --> 00:33:50,063 become a god and have his own planet. 739 00:33:51,543 --> 00:33:52,976 That is Mormon theology. 740 00:33:53,078 --> 00:33:54,773 That's what they're working towards. 741 00:34:00,785 --> 00:34:03,549 I got this weird phone call. I had an answering service. 742 00:34:03,655 --> 00:34:05,316 It said, "It's been really crazy here, 743 00:34:05,423 --> 00:34:07,823 "but I finally got 'em off my back. 744 00:34:07,926 --> 00:34:09,587 "I still love you. 745 00:34:09,694 --> 00:34:11,059 "Call me. Urgent. 746 00:34:11,162 --> 00:34:14,063 Epsom 25724. Urgent." 747 00:34:16,768 --> 00:34:20,397 So I called the number, and some Mormon answered. 748 00:34:20,505 --> 00:34:22,405 "Who is this? What do ya want?" 749 00:34:22,507 --> 00:34:24,407 Very suspicious voice. 750 00:34:24,509 --> 00:34:26,841 And I said, "I want to talk to Kirk... 751 00:34:26,945 --> 00:34:28,435 I mean Elder Anderson." 752 00:34:28,546 --> 00:34:32,949 So I said, "This is Sister... Helmsley calling 753 00:34:33,051 --> 00:34:36,748 regarding the baptism for my daughter Millie." 754 00:34:36,855 --> 00:34:41,690 Millie was my sheepdog, and I knew Kirk would know that. 755 00:34:41,793 --> 00:34:43,556 And I said, "Honey, where do you want to meet?" 756 00:34:43,661 --> 00:34:44,958 He says, "About 2:00." 757 00:34:45,063 --> 00:34:47,088 I said, "Don't say where it is over the phone." 758 00:34:47,198 --> 00:34:48,222 He goes, "Okay." 759 00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:49,857 I was worried about an extension phone. 760 00:34:49,968 --> 00:34:52,368 It went further than that. It was a phone tap. 761 00:34:56,775 --> 00:35:00,211 On my way to meet him, I remember me and K.J. 762 00:35:00,311 --> 00:35:01,778 Were going along the motorway, 763 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,247 and I'm singing, "I'm getting married in the morning!" 764 00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:07,147 And I'm so happy. I'm so... 765 00:35:07,252 --> 00:35:09,413 I was just like a young bride on her honeymoon. 766 00:35:09,521 --> 00:35:11,489 I was just so full of so much love for him. 767 00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:13,056 [Sirens wailing] 768 00:35:13,158 --> 00:35:15,092 These cop cars ran us off the road. 769 00:35:15,193 --> 00:35:17,320 They just literally edged us off the road. 770 00:35:17,429 --> 00:35:20,057 And then when they threw us up against the police car and said, 771 00:35:20,165 --> 00:35:22,326 "You're under arrest for false imprisonment 772 00:35:22,434 --> 00:35:24,026 and carrying away Kirk Anderson," 773 00:35:24,135 --> 00:35:25,261 I couldn't believe it. 774 00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:26,564 It was just, like, shock. 775 00:35:33,411 --> 00:35:37,245 The law was required to take seriously an act 776 00:35:37,348 --> 00:35:40,784 involving a woman with a gun, pointing it at a priest. 777 00:35:40,885 --> 00:35:43,683 Forcing him... although this was a sort of fantasy... 778 00:35:43,788 --> 00:35:45,551 forcing him into a car 779 00:35:45,657 --> 00:35:48,217 and spread-eagling him to a bed and having sex with him. 780 00:35:48,326 --> 00:35:51,318 I mean, there are so many crimes, possible crimes, 781 00:35:51,429 --> 00:35:53,090 involved in all of that, 782 00:35:53,198 --> 00:35:55,689 and yet someone... everyone suspected 783 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,791 there wasn't really a crime here at all. 784 00:35:57,902 --> 00:36:00,803 Scenario number one is Kirk's story: 785 00:36:00,905 --> 00:36:04,739 Fake gun, chloroform, kidnapped, tied up, forced to have sex. 786 00:36:04,843 --> 00:36:07,505 The second version is Joyce's story. 787 00:36:07,612 --> 00:36:09,876 They were gonna be married. They were gonna have children. 788 00:36:09,981 --> 00:36:12,313 He needed to escape from the Mormon Church. 789 00:36:12,417 --> 00:36:14,476 She goes to rescue him. 790 00:36:14,586 --> 00:36:16,315 They rush away 791 00:36:16,421 --> 00:36:18,946 and have this magical, wonderful night... 792 00:36:19,057 --> 00:36:20,149 weekend together. 793 00:36:20,258 --> 00:36:21,520 And then they get him. 794 00:36:21,626 --> 00:36:23,651 They brainwash him, and all of a sudden, 795 00:36:23,761 --> 00:36:25,695 he's claiming rape. 796 00:36:25,797 --> 00:36:30,063 The third scenario is something in between. 797 00:36:30,168 --> 00:36:34,434 There was a consensual aspect to his getaway with her. 798 00:36:34,539 --> 00:36:37,531 But then somewhere along the line, 799 00:36:37,642 --> 00:36:40,611 he had second thoughts. 800 00:36:40,712 --> 00:36:44,671 And he wanted it to stop, and it didn't. 801 00:36:44,782 --> 00:36:46,306 Do you think a woman can rape a man? 802 00:36:46,417 --> 00:36:48,044 No, I think that's like putting 803 00:36:48,152 --> 00:36:49,710 a marshmallow in a parking meter. 804 00:36:49,821 --> 00:36:51,948 I don't... a guy either wants to have sex, or he doesn't. 805 00:36:52,056 --> 00:36:53,489 He has an erection, or he doesn't. 806 00:36:56,094 --> 00:36:59,552 She spent about three months in Holloway Prison, 807 00:36:59,664 --> 00:37:03,430 the famous women's prison in London. 808 00:37:03,535 --> 00:37:06,299 There was a little sliding door 809 00:37:06,404 --> 00:37:09,237 that they would slide open with just a little slit of light. 810 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:11,934 And they would slide it open maybe once a day and say, 811 00:37:12,043 --> 00:37:13,476 "Are you ready to sign a confession?" 812 00:37:13,578 --> 00:37:15,546 I kept screaming, "Please get Kirk! 813 00:37:15,647 --> 00:37:16,978 Please get Kirk!" 814 00:37:17,081 --> 00:37:19,811 I beat my fists bloody on this cold, steel prison door 815 00:37:19,918 --> 00:37:24,150 screaming, "Please, somebody get Kirk!" 816 00:37:24,255 --> 00:37:29,522 There was a picture of her in all the papers 817 00:37:29,627 --> 00:37:32,357 looking out of the back of a police van. 818 00:37:37,936 --> 00:37:40,029 She had scrawled on a piece of paper, 819 00:37:40,138 --> 00:37:43,403 which she was holding up to press, 820 00:37:43,508 --> 00:37:47,171 "Kirk was cooperative all along." 821 00:37:51,382 --> 00:37:52,815 When I went to the prison library, 822 00:37:52,917 --> 00:37:55,249 I got a Bible, and in the back of the Bible, 823 00:37:55,353 --> 00:37:57,913 there was two white pages of blank paper, 824 00:37:58,022 --> 00:38:01,185 almost like God put it there. 825 00:38:01,292 --> 00:38:04,352 I wrote two letters on those two blank pages out of my Bible: 826 00:38:04,462 --> 00:38:07,397 One to my parents, and one to the press. 827 00:38:07,498 --> 00:38:08,692 I put them up inside... 828 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,960 I hate to sound gross, 829 00:38:10,068 --> 00:38:13,799 but I put one in my vagina and one in my rectum. 830 00:38:13,905 --> 00:38:15,873 I got out in the prison van, in the Black Mama, 831 00:38:15,974 --> 00:38:17,202 and I pushed 'em out. 832 00:38:17,308 --> 00:38:19,833 I grunted them out, and I popped them out the window. 833 00:38:19,944 --> 00:38:21,878 And this man saw them, and I go, 834 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,174 "[whispering] Pick it up. 835 00:38:23,281 --> 00:38:25,010 Pick it up." 836 00:38:25,116 --> 00:38:26,606 And he goes like... "Pick it up. 837 00:38:26,718 --> 00:38:28,481 Mail it. Mail it." 838 00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:30,076 You know, I was trying to motion to him, 839 00:38:30,188 --> 00:38:32,315 'cause I knew he couldn't hear me inside the prison van, 840 00:38:32,423 --> 00:38:34,015 to mail it at the post office. 841 00:38:34,125 --> 00:38:35,615 And he goes... 842 00:38:35,727 --> 00:38:37,854 "Please, please, please mail it." 843 00:38:37,962 --> 00:38:41,693 And so he mailed it, 844 00:38:41,799 --> 00:38:44,097 and of course, the next time I go back for my bail hearing, 845 00:38:44,202 --> 00:38:45,533 the whole planet was there. 846 00:38:50,141 --> 00:38:53,133 [Siren wailing] 847 00:39:06,457 --> 00:39:07,788 I asked my lawyer. 848 00:39:07,892 --> 00:39:09,792 I said, "Look, if you can't talk, would you let me? 849 00:39:09,894 --> 00:39:11,156 "'Cause I can sure talk. 850 00:39:11,262 --> 00:39:12,786 Let me tell people what happened." 851 00:39:12,897 --> 00:39:14,694 So I got up there, and I had 'em laughing. 852 00:39:14,799 --> 00:39:16,164 I had 'em crying. 853 00:39:16,267 --> 00:39:19,566 I had 'em throwing spitballs at the Mormons, you know? 854 00:39:19,671 --> 00:39:22,139 Thank God for all those years of drama school. 855 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,071 Thank you! 856 00:39:24,175 --> 00:39:27,633 Everyone was just mesmerized by her performance. 857 00:39:27,745 --> 00:39:30,908 I mean, there was no sense of fear or shame or anything. 858 00:39:31,015 --> 00:39:34,075 She just took on the court with great confidence, 859 00:39:34,185 --> 00:39:36,119 and she said, "I loved him so much, 860 00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:39,053 "I would have skied down Mount Everest nude 861 00:39:39,157 --> 00:39:42,217 with a carnation up my nose for the love of that man." 862 00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:53,867 There was standing room only. 863 00:39:53,971 --> 00:39:56,166 There were little old ladies with their shopping carts 864 00:39:56,274 --> 00:39:57,969 ogling for places to stand! 865 00:39:58,076 --> 00:39:59,100 The banners outside... 866 00:39:59,210 --> 00:40:00,871 "Free Joyce! Free Joyce!" 867 00:40:00,978 --> 00:40:02,411 [Gavel pounding] 868 00:40:02,513 --> 00:40:05,277 These judges with their white wigs sitting there, you know, 869 00:40:05,383 --> 00:40:07,943 unable to comprehend any of this. 870 00:40:08,052 --> 00:40:09,986 And there was nothing in the statute books 871 00:40:10,088 --> 00:40:11,350 which would deal with it. 872 00:40:11,456 --> 00:40:13,890 They're so prim and proper, you know. 873 00:40:13,991 --> 00:40:16,186 They wear these little powdered wigs, 874 00:40:16,294 --> 00:40:17,955 which look like dumb little hats, 875 00:40:18,062 --> 00:40:21,657 and they sit up and down and wiggle on their heads. 876 00:40:21,766 --> 00:40:23,290 One of the questions they ask him was, 877 00:40:23,401 --> 00:40:24,493 "Did you ask for a back rub?" 878 00:40:24,602 --> 00:40:25,694 And he said, "Yes." 879 00:40:25,803 --> 00:40:27,202 And they said, "Was it cinnamon oil 880 00:40:27,305 --> 00:40:28,431 that she rubbed on your back?" 881 00:40:28,539 --> 00:40:29,733 And he goes, "Yes," 882 00:40:29,841 --> 00:40:31,809 like he had remembered, "Well, that was nice." 883 00:40:31,909 --> 00:40:34,104 They ask him, "Were you willing or unwilling?" 884 00:40:34,212 --> 00:40:36,942 And he did that like really fast and looked at the head Mormon 885 00:40:37,048 --> 00:40:38,072 right on the front row. 886 00:40:38,182 --> 00:40:39,547 He jerked his head really fast like, 887 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:41,015 "What am I supposed to say?" 888 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:42,780 And the head Mormon went like, 889 00:40:42,887 --> 00:40:44,946 "You say what we told you to say," like that. 890 00:40:45,056 --> 00:40:46,614 And he goes, "I was unwilling! 891 00:40:46,724 --> 00:40:48,282 [Stammering] I was unwilling." 892 00:40:48,392 --> 00:40:50,292 "Were you unwilling all seven times?" 893 00:40:50,394 --> 00:40:52,123 "Well, I wasn't as unwilling 894 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:55,028 the third time as I was the first." 895 00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:57,363 I wanted him to be strong and say, "Yes, I love her, 896 00:40:57,468 --> 00:40:59,026 "and I'm gonna tell the truth right now, 897 00:40:59,137 --> 00:41:00,399 and let's get rid of this." 898 00:41:00,505 --> 00:41:02,837 But he was so scared. 899 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:06,603 You know, you can tell a lie long enough till you believe it. 900 00:41:08,746 --> 00:41:12,273 For 55 minutes, Ms. McKinney poured out her statement 901 00:41:12,383 --> 00:41:14,681 to an occasionally confused magistrate. 902 00:41:14,786 --> 00:41:17,016 At one point, he stopped her and said, "I'm lost." 903 00:41:17,121 --> 00:41:19,749 And Ms. McKinney, speaking in a North Carolina drawl, 904 00:41:19,857 --> 00:41:21,518 put the whole case in this way: 905 00:41:21,626 --> 00:41:24,618 Referring to the young Mormon, Kirk Anderson, she said, 906 00:41:24,729 --> 00:41:27,459 "He put me in prison to save himself 907 00:41:27,565 --> 00:41:30,090 from excommunication and family disgrace." 908 00:41:30,201 --> 00:41:32,999 This was a phony kidnap according to Ms. McKinney. 909 00:41:33,104 --> 00:41:36,232 Referring to the episode down in the Devon cottage, she said, 910 00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:39,332 "We had three days of fun, food, and sex." 911 00:41:39,443 --> 00:41:41,240 [TV clicks] 912 00:41:41,345 --> 00:41:43,040 [Printer whirring] 913 00:41:43,147 --> 00:41:46,639 By this time, the British Isles was on fire 914 00:41:46,751 --> 00:41:48,480 with the Joyce McKinney story. 915 00:41:48,586 --> 00:41:50,315 That was all that was being talked about 916 00:41:50,421 --> 00:41:53,015 in the pubs and taverns and restaurants. 917 00:41:53,124 --> 00:41:56,025 "Where were you when you read the Joyce McKinney story?" 918 00:41:56,127 --> 00:41:57,424 You know. 919 00:41:57,528 --> 00:42:00,725 I mean, it had kinky sex. It had religion. 920 00:42:00,832 --> 00:42:03,733 It had a beauty queen, kidnap at gunpoint, 921 00:42:03,835 --> 00:42:06,360 chains, being spread-eagled. 922 00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:07,732 It had Mormon missionaries. 923 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,773 And there was something in that story for everyone. 924 00:42:09,874 --> 00:42:11,967 It was a perfect tabloid story. 925 00:42:12,076 --> 00:42:13,373 I mean, I could never understand 926 00:42:13,477 --> 00:42:15,707 the public's fascination with my love life. 927 00:42:15,813 --> 00:42:16,939 I'm not a movie star. 928 00:42:17,048 --> 00:42:19,073 I'm just a person, a human being, 929 00:42:19,183 --> 00:42:22,209 that was caught in an extraordinary circumstance. 930 00:42:26,924 --> 00:42:28,915 The Daily Express and the Mirror were locked 931 00:42:29,026 --> 00:42:33,759 in almost deadly combat over the Joyce McKinney story. 932 00:42:33,865 --> 00:42:36,698 And then it all kind of went away 933 00:42:36,801 --> 00:42:40,202 until she was released on bail. 934 00:42:41,973 --> 00:42:44,965 And then there was a kind of burst of stuff again. 935 00:42:49,313 --> 00:42:51,873 I was let out on bail to await the upcoming trial 936 00:42:51,983 --> 00:42:54,178 to clear my name. 937 00:42:54,285 --> 00:42:56,617 Somebody sent a limousine to pick me up at the prison, 938 00:42:56,721 --> 00:42:58,086 and here I exit the prison, 939 00:42:58,189 --> 00:43:00,157 and I mean, I've got lice powder in my hair. 940 00:43:00,258 --> 00:43:01,919 I'm supposed to be this ex-beauty queen, 941 00:43:02,026 --> 00:43:04,426 and all the cameras are there, and, you know, I look like... 942 00:43:04,528 --> 00:43:05,460 [gagging] 943 00:43:05,563 --> 00:43:07,053 That was my first taste of the press. 944 00:43:07,164 --> 00:43:08,961 And when I got back to the bed-and-breakfast, 945 00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:12,263 I started to very quietly get out of the limousine. 946 00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:14,895 I'm thinking, "I wonder who sent this car, you know, 947 00:43:15,006 --> 00:43:16,530 at the prison to pick me up?" 948 00:43:16,641 --> 00:43:18,768 And I was going to go in and hug my mom and dad and say, 949 00:43:18,876 --> 00:43:20,070 "I'm home!" 950 00:43:20,177 --> 00:43:23,112 All of a sudden, the sky lit up with flashbulbs. 951 00:43:23,214 --> 00:43:25,114 Suddenly night became day. 952 00:43:25,216 --> 00:43:28,674 I was suddenly a celebrity. 953 00:43:28,786 --> 00:43:29,912 I didn't ask to be a celebrity. 954 00:43:30,021 --> 00:43:31,989 I didn't want to be a celebrity. 955 00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:33,351 But it was like a wave. 956 00:43:33,457 --> 00:43:35,618 It was like a "phenomen-imum." 957 00:43:37,428 --> 00:43:39,988 So what have these last few months been like for you? 958 00:43:40,097 --> 00:43:43,794 Well, I've been very busy. 959 00:43:43,901 --> 00:43:45,926 It's been amazing, the way the public 960 00:43:46,037 --> 00:43:47,595 has responded to my case. 961 00:43:47,705 --> 00:43:52,369 I got close to 1,000 letters from the British public. 962 00:43:52,476 --> 00:43:54,535 The rest of the time that I'm not answering letters 963 00:43:54,645 --> 00:43:55,771 or something of this nature, 964 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,938 I'm working on my book. 965 00:43:57,048 --> 00:43:58,913 What kind of a book is that? 966 00:43:59,016 --> 00:44:00,574 Well, this is my life story, 967 00:44:00,685 --> 00:44:03,882 and it's the story of how I met Kirk, 968 00:44:03,988 --> 00:44:06,479 and the name of it is A Very Special Love Story. 969 00:44:06,590 --> 00:44:09,582 [Typewriter clacking] 970 00:44:13,998 --> 00:44:15,989 I had said something like I loved Kirk so much, 971 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,965 I'd have skied naked down Mount Everest 972 00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:19,400 with a carnation in my nose. 973 00:44:19,503 --> 00:44:21,198 When I went into the bed-and-breakfast, 974 00:44:21,305 --> 00:44:25,036 there were pink carnations all over the room! 975 00:44:25,142 --> 00:44:27,940 There were pink carnations in the closet, in the sink, 976 00:44:28,045 --> 00:44:29,672 on the floor, on the bed. 977 00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:32,476 Sacks of mail from all over the world. 978 00:44:32,583 --> 00:44:35,313 People wanted me to autograph their baby's bellies, 979 00:44:35,419 --> 00:44:37,649 their elbows, their cigarette packs! 980 00:44:37,755 --> 00:44:39,154 I got marriage proposals. 981 00:44:39,256 --> 00:44:42,384 I got maps with directions to guys' houses saying, 982 00:44:42,493 --> 00:44:44,552 "Please come and kidnap and rape me anytime, honey!" 983 00:44:44,662 --> 00:44:46,892 It kind of got a life of its own. 984 00:45:03,381 --> 00:45:04,643 I remember, I was at a party. 985 00:45:04,749 --> 00:45:07,217 It was an after-party for Saturday Night Fever, 986 00:45:07,318 --> 00:45:09,183 and Johnny Travolta was there. 987 00:45:09,286 --> 00:45:11,516 And the Bee Gees came over and asked me to dance, 988 00:45:11,622 --> 00:45:12,919 and, you know... 989 00:45:13,024 --> 00:45:15,424 Keith Moon... he was the drummer for The Who... spied me, 990 00:45:15,526 --> 00:45:16,754 and he told one of the reporters, 991 00:45:16,861 --> 00:45:17,885 "I want to meet the girl." 992 00:45:17,995 --> 00:45:19,189 He was with his girlfriend. 993 00:45:19,296 --> 00:45:21,025 I mean, there was nothing between me and Keith, 994 00:45:21,132 --> 00:45:22,326 but he came over, and he says, 995 00:45:22,433 --> 00:45:24,264 "Joycie girl, I'm gonna give you a big old smooch." 996 00:45:24,368 --> 00:45:25,357 And he just kissed me! 997 00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:27,061 And that was just getting started. 998 00:45:27,171 --> 00:45:31,130 Peter McKay, my editor, said to me, 999 00:45:31,242 --> 00:45:34,700 "Why don't you hire a Rolls-Royce 1000 00:45:34,812 --> 00:45:39,408 "and take Joyce to the premiere of The Stud 1001 00:45:39,517 --> 00:45:42,714 and upstage the show business element?" 1002 00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:44,788 Was there a chance that you could actually do this? 1003 00:45:44,889 --> 00:45:46,857 Could you upstage Joan Collins with Joyce McKinney? 1004 00:45:46,957 --> 00:45:48,015 Well, we did. 1005 00:45:48,125 --> 00:45:49,888 She stepped out of this Rolls-Royce, 1006 00:45:49,994 --> 00:45:51,552 and all the press went mad. 1007 00:45:51,662 --> 00:45:54,654 I mean, it was as if... I don't know... 1008 00:45:54,765 --> 00:45:57,233 Marilyn Monroe got out or the queen. 1009 00:45:57,334 --> 00:45:58,733 I mean, certainly more excitement 1010 00:45:58,836 --> 00:46:01,066 than when Joan Collins got out of her limousine. 1011 00:46:06,644 --> 00:46:10,580 She returned home at midnight like Cinderella. 1012 00:46:10,681 --> 00:46:14,640 Presumably, Keith May had been packing their bags, 1013 00:46:14,752 --> 00:46:17,243 because they disappeared a day later. 1014 00:46:17,354 --> 00:46:18,685 The police had opposed bail, 1015 00:46:18,789 --> 00:46:20,723 believing that the couple would leave the country 1016 00:46:20,825 --> 00:46:22,383 if it were granted. 1017 00:46:22,493 --> 00:46:24,757 Since their disappearance was discovered on Thursday, 1018 00:46:24,862 --> 00:46:27,797 the police have kept a watch on all air and seaports, 1019 00:46:27,898 --> 00:46:31,527 but they were last seen by neighbors on Wednesday evening. 1020 00:46:33,804 --> 00:46:35,863 [TV static hisses] 1021 00:46:35,973 --> 00:46:37,804 I never fled. Don't use the word "fled." 1022 00:46:37,908 --> 00:46:39,808 I resent the word "fled." I left. 1023 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:43,402 - They went to the airport as deaf-mutes, I gather. 1024 00:46:43,514 --> 00:46:45,038 [Laughs] 1025 00:46:45,149 --> 00:46:46,741 Quite clever, really. 1026 00:46:51,722 --> 00:46:55,783 I went, and I got the birth certificates of two dead people. 1027 00:46:55,893 --> 00:46:57,258 I didn't figure they'd mind. 1028 00:46:57,361 --> 00:46:58,760 And I got me a travel visa. 1029 00:46:58,863 --> 00:47:01,093 I put on a granny wig, and I made me a fat suit. 1030 00:47:01,198 --> 00:47:02,859 You know what a fat suit is, like in Norbit. 1031 00:47:02,967 --> 00:47:06,869 I said, "Keith, we're going home." 1032 00:47:06,971 --> 00:47:08,836 So I dye his hair coal black, 1033 00:47:08,939 --> 00:47:11,464 and I made him a little handlebar moustache 1034 00:47:11,575 --> 00:47:13,805 and darkened his skin, like Pedro Gonzalez. 1035 00:47:13,911 --> 00:47:17,039 And I found out there was a troop of deaf actors 1036 00:47:17,148 --> 00:47:19,309 going to the States via Canada. 1037 00:47:19,416 --> 00:47:20,576 Well, let me tell ya, 1038 00:47:20,684 --> 00:47:22,914 I put some little signs on us, and it said, 1039 00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:26,217 "I am deaf, but I can lip-read. 1040 00:47:26,323 --> 00:47:29,588 Please enunciate your words slowly and speak clearly." 1041 00:47:29,693 --> 00:47:30,853 I remember the stewardess said, 1042 00:47:30,961 --> 00:47:32,189 "Get these dummies on the plane!" 1043 00:47:32,296 --> 00:47:33,991 The other one said, "Shh, They'll hear you!" 1044 00:47:34,098 --> 00:47:36,032 And she goes, "No, they won't! They're stone deaf!" 1045 00:47:36,133 --> 00:47:37,225 [Laughs] 1046 00:47:41,438 --> 00:47:43,872 We got to Canada, and it's at night, 1047 00:47:43,974 --> 00:47:45,134 and they stop us in immigration. 1048 00:47:45,242 --> 00:47:47,574 I had 13 suitcases full of news clips. 1049 00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:52,071 In those suitcases are hundreds of pictures of me, 1050 00:47:52,183 --> 00:47:55,846 magazine covers and all this stuff. 1051 00:47:55,953 --> 00:47:57,921 They're gonna look at me and say, "Oh, oh, oh, oh!" 1052 00:47:59,023 --> 00:48:01,457 They go, "13 suitcases? You immigrating?" 1053 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,050 And I go... 1054 00:48:04,161 --> 00:48:08,029 And she goes, "Oh, you're deaf! Okay! 1055 00:48:08,132 --> 00:48:11,124 We cannot get our interpreter at night!" 1056 00:48:11,235 --> 00:48:12,725 And she's talking louder and louder. 1057 00:48:12,836 --> 00:48:16,101 She gives me a pencil, and I write down: "I tired. 1058 00:48:16,207 --> 00:48:17,572 May I go now, please?" 1059 00:48:17,675 --> 00:48:20,166 Lady goes, "Eh, go on." 1060 00:48:21,312 --> 00:48:25,544 Ten days later, I was in my office 1061 00:48:25,649 --> 00:48:27,014 in the Daily Express building. 1062 00:48:27,117 --> 00:48:31,110 The telephone rang one evening about 6:00. 1063 00:48:31,222 --> 00:48:32,780 [Telephone ringing] 1064 00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:35,450 And I picked it up, and it was Joyce. 1065 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:39,290 She said that she wanted to sell her story to the Daily Express 1066 00:48:39,396 --> 00:48:43,196 for �40,000. 1067 00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:46,565 We arranged there and then for me to fly out to Atlanta 1068 00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:51,266 and wait in the Atlanta airport Hilton hotel. 1069 00:48:51,375 --> 00:48:52,433 I went to the door, 1070 00:48:52,543 --> 00:48:55,376 and there outside were these two Indians... 1071 00:48:55,479 --> 00:48:57,071 like Indians from Calcutta. 1072 00:48:57,181 --> 00:49:02,744 They should have been arrested for bad acting 1073 00:49:02,853 --> 00:49:06,619 far more than abducting Mormon priests. 1074 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,824 She was having, really, the time of her life. 1075 00:49:11,929 --> 00:49:15,365 There was no sense of anxiety. She was just enjoying it. 1076 00:49:15,466 --> 00:49:17,900 And giving us all this nonsense, 1077 00:49:18,002 --> 00:49:21,403 which was a totally sanitized version of the truth. 1078 00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:23,200 And we were falling for it, of course, 1079 00:49:23,307 --> 00:49:26,208 getting it all onto these little tape recorders, and thinking, 1080 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:29,177 "God, hasn't the Express got a great story here!" 1081 00:49:32,182 --> 00:49:33,581 Joyce brought in this suitcase, 1082 00:49:33,684 --> 00:49:36,414 took about three of us to get it in the room. 1083 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,681 I daresay she just put her finger on the button. 1084 00:49:38,789 --> 00:49:39,949 The thing exploded. 1085 00:49:40,057 --> 00:49:43,925 And these disguises and wigs and... 1086 00:49:44,028 --> 00:49:45,825 not bondage gear, I hasten to add. 1087 00:49:45,929 --> 00:49:47,897 At least, I didn't see any. 1088 00:49:47,998 --> 00:49:49,590 I expected the FBI 1089 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:52,760 to come crashing in through the windows at any minute, 1090 00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:54,531 'cause as far as I knew, I mean, 1091 00:49:54,638 --> 00:49:58,074 we were aiding and abetting fugitives. 1092 00:49:58,175 --> 00:50:01,941 It wasn't clear, really, 1093 00:50:02,046 --> 00:50:08,076 what Keith May's motive was except that he adored Joyce. 1094 00:50:08,185 --> 00:50:12,121 And Joyce kind of did, from time to time, 1095 00:50:12,222 --> 00:50:13,382 treat him as if he was 1096 00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:17,187 in some kind of mistress-slave fantasy. 1097 00:50:17,294 --> 00:50:20,058 Like, "Down, slave," she would say to him. 1098 00:50:20,164 --> 00:50:23,429 "Down, slave! Down, slave!" 1099 00:50:23,534 --> 00:50:26,025 But she would say it humorously, joking. 1100 00:50:26,136 --> 00:50:28,536 But it did occur to us at the time 1101 00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,233 that this is all the language of the world of bondage. 1102 00:50:31,342 --> 00:50:34,607 I speak as if I'm an expert, but I mean... 1103 00:50:34,712 --> 00:50:36,179 I assume that you are. 1104 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,077 [Laughs] 1105 00:50:38,182 --> 00:50:41,982 But it's all this kind of master-mistress power thing, 1106 00:50:42,086 --> 00:50:45,715 domination thing that seems to run through this whole story. 1107 00:50:45,823 --> 00:50:47,017 It seems to be a theme. 1108 00:50:47,124 --> 00:50:50,582 Keith had probably an obsession for Joyce 1109 00:50:50,694 --> 00:50:53,254 just like Joyce had an obsession for Kirk. 1110 00:50:53,364 --> 00:50:55,355 The fact that he was just able to be around her 1111 00:50:55,466 --> 00:50:56,865 and helping her where he could 1112 00:50:56,967 --> 00:50:59,595 satisfied his emotions. 1113 00:51:01,372 --> 00:51:04,364 [Typewriter clacking] 1114 00:51:09,246 --> 00:51:12,841 There are tabloids in England that are filth. 1115 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:15,919 At the top of the list would be the Daily Mirror. 1116 00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:19,750 The Daily Mirror had... meantime... 1117 00:51:19,857 --> 00:51:21,347 had their reporters in Los Angeles 1118 00:51:21,458 --> 00:51:26,020 digging up all this stuff about her activities as a... 1119 00:51:26,130 --> 00:51:29,122 I don't know... not a call girl, but as a... 1120 00:51:29,233 --> 00:51:30,393 well, I suppose she was. 1121 00:51:30,501 --> 00:51:34,301 I mean, she was being paid for sexual services. 1122 00:51:34,405 --> 00:51:39,206 But this was all long before her escapades in the U.K. 1123 00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:42,642 This was earlier Joyce McKinney history. 1124 00:51:42,746 --> 00:51:43,940 They had a tip. 1125 00:51:44,047 --> 00:51:46,015 I think it was from a police officer in London 1126 00:51:46,116 --> 00:51:48,983 to one of our London reporters that was covering the story, 1127 00:51:49,086 --> 00:51:52,112 who said that it might be worth looking up an address 1128 00:51:52,222 --> 00:51:54,622 that we know she had in Los Angeles 1129 00:51:54,725 --> 00:51:58,855 and a boyfriend called Steve Moskowitz. 1130 00:52:02,566 --> 00:52:05,034 Joyce had been in touch with him from England saying, 1131 00:52:05,135 --> 00:52:06,602 "Destroy any pictures. 1132 00:52:06,703 --> 00:52:10,195 If any journalists turn up, do not talk to anybody." 1133 00:52:10,307 --> 00:52:12,434 Steve was very uncooperative when I first met him. 1134 00:52:12,543 --> 00:52:14,977 Once he told me that he was still madly in love with her, 1135 00:52:15,078 --> 00:52:17,979 I said, "Look, Steve, if you want to be at her side 1136 00:52:18,081 --> 00:52:19,480 "for the trial at the Old Bailey, 1137 00:52:19,583 --> 00:52:21,983 "we will pay a first-class air ticket for you 1138 00:52:22,085 --> 00:52:24,713 and put you up in a hotel in London so you can be with her." 1139 00:52:24,822 --> 00:52:25,914 The next morning, 1140 00:52:26,023 --> 00:52:28,389 I'm in the hotel at Santa Monica. 1141 00:52:28,492 --> 00:52:30,892 8:00, Monday morning, the phone goes. 1142 00:52:30,994 --> 00:52:32,154 Steve. 1143 00:52:32,262 --> 00:52:34,059 "I'm downstairs." 1144 00:52:34,164 --> 00:52:37,224 He produced six strips of black-and-white contacts. 1145 00:52:37,334 --> 00:52:39,734 There was nothing really that bad on them. 1146 00:52:39,837 --> 00:52:41,737 She was sitting on a horse. 1147 00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,864 They were glamour pictures, as such. 1148 00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:47,536 I said, "Well, look, Steve, 1149 00:52:47,644 --> 00:52:49,635 "this doesn't take us very much further, 1150 00:52:49,746 --> 00:52:51,839 "but I will hang on to them. 1151 00:52:51,949 --> 00:52:53,712 We need more." 1152 00:52:53,817 --> 00:52:56,012 I said, "By the way, the editor in London 1153 00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:57,586 wants me to take a picture of you." 1154 00:52:58,255 --> 00:53:00,780 He said, "Can you make it look as if I've not posed for it?" 1155 00:53:00,891 --> 00:53:02,950 I said, "What do you mean?" 1156 00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:05,290 He said, "Well, I've got Joyce's car here, 1157 00:53:05,395 --> 00:53:06,521 "and I've got Millie. 1158 00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:08,757 "I often take the dog out, put him in the car, 1159 00:53:08,866 --> 00:53:10,834 take the dog away for a walk." 1160 00:53:10,934 --> 00:53:12,925 [Mimics camera shutter clicking] 1161 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,107 He didn't want Joyce to know he was cooperating. 1162 00:53:19,209 --> 00:53:22,372 So he's betraying her. He knows he's betraying her. 1163 00:53:22,479 --> 00:53:26,575 I don't think he realized how much he was giving us. 1164 00:53:26,683 --> 00:53:29,243 It was only when he said to me, 1165 00:53:29,353 --> 00:53:30,547 "She placed these ads 1166 00:53:30,654 --> 00:53:32,144 in the Hollywood Free Press, in Freep. " 1167 00:53:32,256 --> 00:53:34,747 He took us to one of their offices, 1168 00:53:34,858 --> 00:53:36,826 which had back numbers of some of the ads 1169 00:53:36,927 --> 00:53:39,555 that she'd posted in there, and it read: 1170 00:53:39,663 --> 00:53:43,531 "Gorgeous former Miss USA contestant desires work. 1171 00:53:43,634 --> 00:53:47,229 "Beauty, brains and talent. The best gal in the Freep. 1172 00:53:47,337 --> 00:53:49,669 "38-24-36. 1173 00:53:49,773 --> 00:53:52,264 "Slim, sweet, Southern blonde. 1174 00:53:52,376 --> 00:53:54,435 "How would you like her to leisurely bathe you, 1175 00:53:54,545 --> 00:53:56,740 "lovingly blow dry/style your hair, 1176 00:53:56,847 --> 00:53:59,213 "and then give you a delicious nude massage 1177 00:53:59,316 --> 00:54:01,910 "on her fur-covered waterbed? 1178 00:54:02,019 --> 00:54:04,010 "Your fantasy is her specialty. 1179 00:54:04,121 --> 00:54:06,453 "S&M. B&D. 1180 00:54:06,557 --> 00:54:08,047 "Escort service. 1181 00:54:08,158 --> 00:54:09,523 "Nude wrestling. Modeling. 1182 00:54:09,626 --> 00:54:11,253 "Erotic phone calls. 1183 00:54:11,361 --> 00:54:13,625 "Dirty panties or pictures. 1184 00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:17,188 Mail your fantasy or specialty to Joey." 1185 00:54:17,301 --> 00:54:18,199 I love this bit. 1186 00:54:18,302 --> 00:54:19,667 "P.S., Joey says, 1187 00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:23,536 'I love shy boys, dirty old men, and sugar daddies."' 1188 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,608 I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 1189 00:54:25,709 --> 00:54:28,303 I could not believe that that was Joyce 1190 00:54:28,412 --> 00:54:29,674 advertising those services. 1191 00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:30,906 But that was only the beginning, 1192 00:54:31,014 --> 00:54:32,174 because once we had all of that, 1193 00:54:32,282 --> 00:54:33,579 we then had to start thinking, 1194 00:54:33,684 --> 00:54:35,515 "Who's got pictures of all this?" 1195 00:54:35,619 --> 00:54:38,019 It was only when he named that photographer. 1196 00:54:38,121 --> 00:54:40,248 [Phone ringing] 1197 00:54:40,357 --> 00:54:42,325 He said, "I've never photographed Joyce McKinney. 1198 00:54:42,426 --> 00:54:43,916 I have no idea who she is." 1199 00:54:44,027 --> 00:54:47,554 And I said, "Well, according to a friend of mine 1200 00:54:47,664 --> 00:54:49,063 "and a friend of hers, 1201 00:54:49,166 --> 00:54:52,863 she always came on modeling assignments with her dog." 1202 00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:55,666 "Ah." 1203 00:54:55,772 --> 00:54:57,296 He dug out some magazines. 1204 00:54:57,407 --> 00:54:58,897 Soon as I saw it, I said, "That's her." 1205 00:55:03,647 --> 00:55:06,115 I took that away, and I thought, "Job well done." 1206 00:55:06,216 --> 00:55:08,810 We were getting somewhere. 1207 00:55:08,919 --> 00:55:11,183 We went back to Steve's apartment, 1208 00:55:11,288 --> 00:55:15,019 and he brought up a phone bill. 1209 00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:18,060 Every itemized phone call Joyce had made from the apartment 1210 00:55:18,161 --> 00:55:20,254 in the last three, four months. 1211 00:55:20,364 --> 00:55:22,662 Right. 1212 00:55:22,766 --> 00:55:24,996 Away we went with the phone bill. 1213 00:55:25,102 --> 00:55:26,933 Frank Power and I spent three hours 1214 00:55:27,037 --> 00:55:28,902 hitting every one of those numbers on there. 1215 00:55:29,006 --> 00:55:31,736 Nobody had heard of Joyce McKinney. 1216 00:55:31,842 --> 00:55:33,537 No idea who she was. 1217 00:55:33,644 --> 00:55:37,239 The dog was the link. Always the dog. 1218 00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:41,374 It was only when Steve told me 1219 00:55:41,485 --> 00:55:43,043 that she took the dog with her 1220 00:55:43,153 --> 00:55:47,214 that the photographer could put a face to an alias. 1221 00:55:49,726 --> 00:55:51,887 You learn, when you're famous, who your friends are. 1222 00:55:51,995 --> 00:55:54,623 When the payrollees come out, the checkbook journalists. 1223 00:55:54,731 --> 00:55:56,961 People that are real jealous or maybe didn't like you 1224 00:55:57,067 --> 00:55:58,864 or need money, it's, "Yeah? 1225 00:55:58,969 --> 00:56:01,267 What do ya wanna know about her? How much you pay me?" 1226 00:56:01,371 --> 00:56:03,362 I had a false friend, and his name was Steve, 1227 00:56:03,473 --> 00:56:05,464 and he was a creep. 1228 00:56:05,575 --> 00:56:08,009 He had the key to the outside of my apartment 1229 00:56:08,111 --> 00:56:11,046 so he could go in and walk my dog. 1230 00:56:11,148 --> 00:56:12,638 He broke in a steamer trunk. 1231 00:56:12,749 --> 00:56:16,981 I had huge pictures of me in there from a modeling portfolio. 1232 00:56:17,087 --> 00:56:19,749 He sold those to The Sun and the Daily Mirror. 1233 00:56:19,856 --> 00:56:21,380 Both were in contests 1234 00:56:21,491 --> 00:56:24,722 to see who could do the worst Joyce McKinney story. 1235 00:56:24,828 --> 00:56:26,090 When those Daily Mirror reporters 1236 00:56:26,196 --> 00:56:27,356 showed up on his doorstep, 1237 00:56:27,464 --> 00:56:30,729 they turned him and bragged about it. 1238 00:56:30,834 --> 00:56:35,862 They sent him and his prostitute crony to Mexico 1239 00:56:35,972 --> 00:56:38,532 so that they wouldn't be prosecuted 1240 00:56:38,642 --> 00:56:41,133 for breaking and entering my apartment. 1241 00:56:41,244 --> 00:56:42,734 We were worried about Steve, 1242 00:56:42,846 --> 00:56:45,110 that somebody was gonna get to him. 1243 00:56:45,215 --> 00:56:50,084 So we kept Steve out of the way of all our opposition in Mexico 1244 00:56:50,187 --> 00:56:53,486 for about ten days until we finished with the story. 1245 00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:55,649 He didn't realize that it was to keep him out of the way. 1246 00:56:55,759 --> 00:56:57,226 I mean, he could've made a lot of money 1247 00:56:57,327 --> 00:56:58,589 by telling his side of the story. 1248 00:56:58,695 --> 00:57:01,425 All he got from us was a promise 1249 00:57:01,531 --> 00:57:05,627 to be at the Old Bailey when Joyce goes to trial. 1250 00:57:05,736 --> 00:57:09,502 We were coming up with more material than you could believe, 1251 00:57:09,606 --> 00:57:11,471 unpublishable material, 1252 00:57:11,575 --> 00:57:14,066 bondage pictures, her wrestling with Thai girls, 1253 00:57:14,177 --> 00:57:16,577 mud wrestling, nudes. 1254 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,673 The service that were offered were oral sex, massage, bondage. 1255 00:57:20,784 --> 00:57:23,412 Laura would have the full intercourse 1256 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,047 if they paid enough money. 1257 00:57:27,157 --> 00:57:30,126 Joyce would do the bondage and anything else they needed, 1258 00:57:30,227 --> 00:57:32,320 including oral sex, but that was it. 1259 00:57:33,964 --> 00:57:35,295 I said to him, "Well, what happens 1260 00:57:35,398 --> 00:57:36,626 if this ever got out of control?" 1261 00:57:36,733 --> 00:57:38,860 And he said, "Oh, we had that fixed." 1262 00:57:38,969 --> 00:57:40,493 I won't try to get his accent. 1263 00:57:40,604 --> 00:57:42,196 He said, "I bugged the dog's collar." 1264 00:57:42,305 --> 00:57:44,205 I said, "You did what?" 1265 00:57:44,307 --> 00:57:46,537 He said, "I put a bug in the collar of the dog." 1266 00:57:46,643 --> 00:57:49,203 I said, "What, the dog went with her on these sexual encounters?" 1267 00:57:49,312 --> 00:57:50,279 "Oh, yeah, always." 1268 00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:51,642 He said, "And if it got out of hand, 1269 00:57:51,748 --> 00:57:53,739 "I'd be sitting outside with a couple of other guys, 1270 00:57:53,850 --> 00:57:55,147 and we would go in." 1271 00:57:55,252 --> 00:57:57,447 So is he sitting in a coffee shop with headphones? 1272 00:57:57,554 --> 00:57:58,543 He was sitting in the car. 1273 00:57:58,655 --> 00:58:00,646 [Dog barking] 1274 00:58:02,492 --> 00:58:05,086 Steve was very much in love with Joyce. 1275 00:58:05,195 --> 00:58:08,528 We asked him if he'd ever had sex with her, and he said, 1276 00:58:08,632 --> 00:58:11,760 "Shoot, man, nobody's ever had sex with Joyce." 1277 00:58:11,868 --> 00:58:14,132 That was the quote from him. 1278 00:58:14,237 --> 00:58:15,329 Nobody? 1279 00:58:15,438 --> 00:58:17,531 "Nobody." That was the quote. 1280 00:58:19,643 --> 00:58:21,304 When Mike Malloy, who was the editor 1281 00:58:21,411 --> 00:58:22,503 of the Mirror at that time, 1282 00:58:22,612 --> 00:58:24,705 asked me how we were getting on, I said, 1283 00:58:24,815 --> 00:58:25,873 "It's interesting, Mike. 1284 00:58:25,982 --> 00:58:27,506 You'll be pleased to see what we've got." 1285 00:58:27,617 --> 00:58:29,278 "Do you have a picture of her in a swimsuit?" 1286 00:58:29,386 --> 00:58:31,581 I said, "Oh, yes. We've got that." 1287 00:58:38,228 --> 00:58:39,889 I mean, worms crawl out of the woodwork 1288 00:58:39,996 --> 00:58:42,464 when you become famous, worms, cockroaches! 1289 00:58:49,372 --> 00:58:50,703 Mike called me to say, 1290 00:58:50,807 --> 00:58:52,798 "I better let you know that tomorrow we're gonna run, 1291 00:58:52,909 --> 00:58:56,037 for a week, with 'The Real McKinney' story." 1292 00:58:56,146 --> 00:58:58,171 And that was the front page, "The Real McKinney." 1293 00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:06,745 Their front page was going to be Joyce, naked, 1294 00:59:06,857 --> 00:59:08,154 but lying on her stomach. 1295 00:59:08,258 --> 00:59:12,718 And ours was going to be these pictures of her as a nun. 1296 00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:14,888 One paper projecting her 1297 00:59:14,998 --> 00:59:18,434 as an innocent, sweet-natured woman, 1298 00:59:18,535 --> 00:59:21,265 a God-fearing, religious woman, 1299 00:59:21,371 --> 00:59:24,306 who was a victim of cruel circumstances. 1300 00:59:24,407 --> 00:59:26,773 And the other, the Daily Mirror, projected her 1301 00:59:26,877 --> 00:59:32,816 as a kind of manipulating, sex-crazed, part-time hooker. 1302 00:59:32,916 --> 00:59:36,215 Somewhere in between, maybe, is the truth. 1303 00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:40,050 - The Express came, and they actually let me tape-record 1304 00:59:40,156 --> 00:59:42,920 what I said, and they printed it word-for-word. 1305 00:59:43,026 --> 00:59:47,258 And that same week, the Mirror came out with the story. 1306 00:59:47,364 --> 00:59:49,662 They had painted a totally different picture of me. 1307 00:59:49,766 --> 00:59:53,600 If I was well-educated, they made me stupid. 1308 00:59:53,703 --> 00:59:57,867 If I was a virgin in real life, they made me a slut. 1309 00:59:57,974 --> 01:00:02,274 We did the fantasy that Joyce wanted promoted 1310 01:00:02,379 --> 01:00:05,007 to the millions of English readers. 1311 01:00:05,115 --> 01:00:06,673 Yeah, you became her tool, her slave. 1312 01:00:06,783 --> 01:00:08,717 Oh, totally. I became her slave, yes. 1313 01:00:08,818 --> 01:00:10,615 We were all her slaves. 1314 01:00:14,324 --> 01:00:16,315 The Daily Express did buy the story, 1315 01:00:16,426 --> 01:00:18,121 and it was only Joyce's story, 1316 01:00:18,228 --> 01:00:20,492 what she wanted to say about the kidnapping, 1317 01:00:20,597 --> 01:00:22,565 what she did or did not do with Kirk. 1318 01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:25,294 She wasn't gonna tell a story about her hooker assignments. 1319 01:00:25,402 --> 01:00:26,630 She can't say it never happened 1320 01:00:26,736 --> 01:00:30,399 because there it is in black-and-white. 1321 01:00:30,507 --> 01:00:34,102 It was Joyce. 1322 01:00:34,210 --> 01:00:35,507 Well, her claim is, of course, 1323 01:00:35,612 --> 01:00:37,045 that those pictures were doctored. 1324 01:00:37,147 --> 01:00:38,307 You don't doctor negatives. 1325 01:00:38,415 --> 01:00:41,441 We had the negative, print, and the magazine. 1326 01:00:41,551 --> 01:00:43,644 Get out of that, Joyce. 1327 01:00:43,753 --> 01:00:46,483 The Sun put my head on another person's naked body. 1328 01:00:46,589 --> 01:00:48,523 And she was flat-chested as a board. 1329 01:00:48,625 --> 01:00:51,526 I mean, the girl was flat in her front. 1330 01:00:51,628 --> 01:00:53,926 As you see, I'm not flat in my front. 1331 01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:56,294 So it was clear that this woman's breasts... 1332 01:00:56,399 --> 01:00:57,525 Were not me. 1333 01:00:57,634 --> 01:01:00,797 Those are fried eggs! 1334 01:01:00,904 --> 01:01:02,838 The Sun admitted it was a fake picture. 1335 01:01:02,939 --> 01:01:05,430 They came out and said, "This is a composite picture." 1336 01:01:05,542 --> 01:01:07,009 But the Daily Mirror didn't. 1337 01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:11,012 The Daily Mirror tried to make it look like I was a whore. 1338 01:01:11,114 --> 01:01:12,604 On the only occasion when I did meet her 1339 01:01:12,716 --> 01:01:14,946 a bit later, she said, in her accent, you know, 1340 01:01:15,051 --> 01:01:16,780 "I don't pose nude." 1341 01:01:16,886 --> 01:01:18,945 Of course, sitting on the editor's desk 1342 01:01:19,055 --> 01:01:21,717 was over 1,000 pictures and magazines 1343 01:01:21,825 --> 01:01:25,124 and negatives of her that we already had. 1344 01:01:25,228 --> 01:01:26,525 She never knew that, of course. 1345 01:01:26,629 --> 01:01:28,756 I never took a picture, which is really unusual for me. 1346 01:01:28,865 --> 01:01:30,162 The only thing I ever wanted to do 1347 01:01:30,266 --> 01:01:31,858 was photograph Joyce with no clothes on. 1348 01:01:31,968 --> 01:01:33,128 And I ended up picking up 1349 01:01:33,236 --> 01:01:35,363 hundreds of other people who did it. 1350 01:01:35,472 --> 01:01:37,838 Bit strange. 1351 01:01:37,941 --> 01:01:39,306 Do you still have the photographs? 1352 01:01:39,409 --> 01:01:40,842 Unfortunately, only the pictures 1353 01:01:40,944 --> 01:01:42,844 that were published in the Mirror at the time. 1354 01:01:42,946 --> 01:01:46,712 The file, which was between 800 and 1,000 pictures, 1355 01:01:46,816 --> 01:01:47,942 were all locked up in a safe. 1356 01:01:48,051 --> 01:01:49,018 But unfortunately, 1357 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,518 the Mirror Group changed ownership, 1358 01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:52,110 and along with a lot of other things, 1359 01:01:52,222 --> 01:01:54,349 all that dossier went missing. 1360 01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:00,257 We were in the hotel room, and Joyce was constantly calling 1361 01:02:00,363 --> 01:02:01,694 her friend in North London saying, 1362 01:02:01,798 --> 01:02:02,924 "Have you seen the papers yet? 1363 01:02:03,033 --> 01:02:04,125 Have you seen the papers yet?" 1364 01:02:04,234 --> 01:02:05,496 She'd gotten the newspapers, 1365 01:02:05,602 --> 01:02:08,127 the early editions of the newspapers, 1366 01:02:08,238 --> 01:02:10,468 and had them laid out in front of her 1367 01:02:10,573 --> 01:02:12,006 and was on the telephone saying, 1368 01:02:12,108 --> 01:02:14,303 "And the Mirror says this, and the Mirror says that. 1369 01:02:14,411 --> 01:02:18,905 "And there's a photograph of you here with no clothes on. 1370 01:02:19,015 --> 01:02:20,744 "And there's another photograph 1371 01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:24,684 of you here standing on a man in a bedroom." 1372 01:02:24,788 --> 01:02:27,018 And this is when Joyce freaked out. 1373 01:02:30,093 --> 01:02:35,292 She was so appalled and enraged and distressed 1374 01:02:35,398 --> 01:02:36,956 about all the stuff 1375 01:02:37,067 --> 01:02:39,501 that the Mirror had been printing about her, 1376 01:02:39,602 --> 01:02:41,832 'cause she had no idea this was gonna happen at all. 1377 01:02:41,938 --> 01:02:45,567 She just went crazy, went absolutely crazy. 1378 01:02:45,675 --> 01:02:49,702 Brian realized that he had to stop this conversation 1379 01:02:49,813 --> 01:02:52,646 and that she mustn't learn any more, 1380 01:02:52,749 --> 01:02:54,546 'cause we didn't know what she was going to do. 1381 01:02:54,651 --> 01:02:57,142 So he didn't even bother to disconnect the telephone 1382 01:02:57,253 --> 01:02:58,618 in a civilized way. 1383 01:02:58,721 --> 01:03:01,519 He just grabbed the wires and pulled them out of the wall. 1384 01:03:04,661 --> 01:03:06,720 He didn't unplug them; He just pull... 1385 01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:08,923 and bits of plaster came out, I remember, with it. 1386 01:03:09,032 --> 01:03:12,126 This is a very unusual kind of behavior, no? 1387 01:03:12,235 --> 01:03:13,930 Wouldn't you just hang the phone up? 1388 01:03:14,037 --> 01:03:17,029 Well, Joyce McKinney had it in both hands 1389 01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:18,937 screwed into her ear. 1390 01:03:19,042 --> 01:03:21,476 I mean, she was really scary, really scary. 1391 01:03:21,578 --> 01:03:23,546 She appeared to kind of fly across the room, 1392 01:03:23,646 --> 01:03:27,844 as far as I remember it, and clung on to the curtains, 1393 01:03:27,951 --> 01:03:30,852 which partly came away on the rail. 1394 01:03:30,954 --> 01:03:32,512 She was completely hysterical. 1395 01:03:32,622 --> 01:03:33,953 Then she went for the balcony. 1396 01:03:34,057 --> 01:03:36,787 I dived after her and sort of grabbed her by the ankles. 1397 01:03:36,893 --> 01:03:39,088 I didn't know whether she was going to jump off, 1398 01:03:39,195 --> 01:03:41,857 'cause if she had done, I think there were probably tourists 1399 01:03:41,965 --> 01:03:43,660 on deck chairs underneath. 1400 01:03:43,766 --> 01:03:46,030 She would've probably taken them out too. 1401 01:03:46,136 --> 01:03:49,731 So it would have been very embarrassing, to say the least. 1402 01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:51,704 I looked down, and I could see all the reporters 1403 01:03:51,808 --> 01:03:53,969 milling around outside trying to get their shot, 1404 01:03:54,077 --> 01:03:55,635 trying to get their shot. 1405 01:03:55,745 --> 01:03:57,474 You know, even as far up as I was, 1406 01:03:57,580 --> 01:03:59,047 they were trying to get their shot. 1407 01:03:59,149 --> 01:04:02,710 And I thought, "All I have to do is just climb up on this rail 1408 01:04:02,819 --> 01:04:05,344 "and just splatter, and I will be dead. 1409 01:04:05,455 --> 01:04:06,854 "I'll be in heaven. 1410 01:04:06,956 --> 01:04:12,826 There will be no more tabloid reporters ever to ruin my life." 1411 01:04:12,929 --> 01:04:14,726 She went a bit up the wall. 1412 01:04:14,831 --> 01:04:16,765 She tried to climb up and jump off the balcony. 1413 01:04:16,866 --> 01:04:18,766 "I want to meet my Maker!" 1414 01:04:18,868 --> 01:04:21,063 [Laughs] 1415 01:04:21,171 --> 01:04:24,663 K.J. Came running in the motel room, and he's just, 1416 01:04:24,774 --> 01:04:27,038 "Don't let 'em win! 1417 01:04:27,143 --> 01:04:29,338 "If you die, the truth dies with you, 1418 01:04:29,445 --> 01:04:31,913 "and nobody will ever know what really happened. 1419 01:04:32,015 --> 01:04:34,449 Nobody will know how much you loved him." 1420 01:04:34,551 --> 01:04:36,416 She was screaming. She was hysterical. 1421 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:39,249 She was completely out of control. 1422 01:04:39,355 --> 01:04:40,879 We got her to a hospital. 1423 01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:44,221 We were thinking in terms of a pill of some kind, 1424 01:04:44,327 --> 01:04:46,659 but this nurse appeared with a large syringe 1425 01:04:46,763 --> 01:04:50,494 and just stuck it in her. 1426 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,692 And we wheeled her out 1427 01:04:51,801 --> 01:04:53,962 in this wheelchair that was provided, 1428 01:04:54,070 --> 01:04:56,004 unconscious, 1429 01:04:56,105 --> 01:04:57,663 and got her back to the hotel. 1430 01:04:57,774 --> 01:05:00,538 Her father, this gentle man, came in with his wife 1431 01:05:00,643 --> 01:05:03,840 and tried to put his arms around Joyce. 1432 01:05:03,947 --> 01:05:07,212 And she just sunk her teeth into his forearm. 1433 01:05:07,317 --> 01:05:10,480 And there was an awful kind of tussle. 1434 01:05:10,587 --> 01:05:12,748 And he managed to get himself free, 1435 01:05:12,855 --> 01:05:15,119 and there was blood trickling down his arm. 1436 01:05:15,225 --> 01:05:17,159 He'd been attacked by a vampire. 1437 01:05:20,430 --> 01:05:24,833 Joyce then fled the whole lot of us in her nightie. 1438 01:05:24,934 --> 01:05:28,301 And we kind of followed her and chased her down. 1439 01:05:28,404 --> 01:05:30,998 And there was this freeway that went past the back 1440 01:05:31,107 --> 01:05:34,133 of the hotel with huge trucks 1441 01:05:34,244 --> 01:05:37,509 and cars whizzing past in both directions. 1442 01:05:37,614 --> 01:05:40,845 I remember seeing her run across this freeway, 1443 01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:46,684 miraculously being missed by all these vehicles 1444 01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:49,121 and kind of disappearing somewhere into the distance. 1445 01:05:56,065 --> 01:05:58,329 [TV clicks and whirs] 1446 01:05:58,434 --> 01:05:59,662 I know. Exactly. 1447 01:05:59,769 --> 01:06:01,828 Because would you believe McKinney is back? 1448 01:06:01,938 --> 01:06:03,030 Joyce McKinney, 1449 01:06:03,139 --> 01:06:05,198 the "sex in chains" girl, arrested. 1450 01:06:05,308 --> 01:06:07,708 She kept us all entertained in 1977. 1451 01:06:07,810 --> 01:06:10,244 She used to phone me up every day, two or three times, 1452 01:06:10,346 --> 01:06:12,780 for months, saying, "Lawks, have mercy! 1453 01:06:12,882 --> 01:06:16,010 I'll kill myself... what the Daily Mirror said about me." 1454 01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:17,313 And seven years later, 1455 01:06:17,420 --> 01:06:19,945 she'll still pursuing this unfortunate Mormon. 1456 01:06:20,056 --> 01:06:21,148 Can you believe it? 1457 01:06:21,257 --> 01:06:23,384 Oh, dear. 1458 01:06:23,493 --> 01:06:25,085 You saw him in 1984? 1459 01:06:25,194 --> 01:06:26,252 Yeah. 1460 01:06:26,362 --> 01:06:27,488 Yeah, I was at the airport, 1461 01:06:27,597 --> 01:06:32,534 and his... overweight Mormon wife saw me. 1462 01:06:32,635 --> 01:06:35,263 And I guess she was disturbed I was using the public airport. 1463 01:06:35,371 --> 01:06:36,804 She went and called the police and said, 1464 01:06:36,906 --> 01:06:38,237 "Oh, McKinney's here. Go get her." 1465 01:06:38,341 --> 01:06:40,070 What was his job at the airport? 1466 01:06:40,176 --> 01:06:43,668 - I hate to say this, but he was a doo-doo dipper. 1467 01:06:43,780 --> 01:06:45,475 A doo-doo dipper? 1468 01:06:45,581 --> 01:06:46,775 Yeah. 1469 01:06:46,883 --> 01:06:48,248 What is a doo-doo dipper? 1470 01:06:48,351 --> 01:06:50,410 - That's someone who takes the doo-doo 1471 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,351 off the back of the plane. 1472 01:06:52,455 --> 01:06:54,446 They married him off to this big, overweight woman, 1473 01:06:54,557 --> 01:06:56,684 and they told her to start having kids as quick as possible 1474 01:06:56,793 --> 01:06:59,887 so that he would get over me. 1475 01:06:59,996 --> 01:07:02,931 That fact that I could have given him children, I guess, 1476 01:07:03,032 --> 01:07:04,397 was bypassed. 1477 01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:06,991 I was kind of glad she was not too good-looking. 1478 01:07:07,103 --> 01:07:08,934 I mean, If she had been really great-looking, 1479 01:07:09,038 --> 01:07:10,903 I would have probably felt really awful, you know? 1480 01:07:11,007 --> 01:07:12,304 Cried my eyes out, 1481 01:07:12,408 --> 01:07:14,740 but it wasn't any competition, if you know what I mean. 1482 01:07:14,844 --> 01:07:16,368 The only thing she had that I didn't have 1483 01:07:16,479 --> 01:07:18,606 was 100 extra pounds, and she was a Mormon. 1484 01:07:18,715 --> 01:07:24,585 She was found lurking outside his office. 1485 01:07:24,687 --> 01:07:28,054 I think she was arrested for stalking him or something. 1486 01:07:28,157 --> 01:07:29,647 [Laughs] 1487 01:07:33,062 --> 01:07:34,529 Do you still love him? 1488 01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:36,291 I'll die loving him. 1489 01:07:36,399 --> 01:07:38,594 I never got married because of him. 1490 01:07:50,913 --> 01:07:54,246 I'm the incurable romantic, you know? 1491 01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:57,183 The idea of marrying somebody that I didn't love 1492 01:07:57,286 --> 01:07:59,516 and having to sleep with him and have his kids 1493 01:07:59,622 --> 01:08:04,116 and live a humdrum, blas� life with half a love... 1494 01:08:04,227 --> 01:08:08,061 I would rather have a short few weeks 1495 01:08:08,164 --> 01:08:13,602 with someone who was the star in the crown 1496 01:08:13,703 --> 01:08:17,662 than to spend my life with someone and be miserable. 1497 01:08:17,774 --> 01:08:20,265 Love is not a changing thing. 1498 01:08:20,376 --> 01:08:23,243 It doesn't... it's a steadfast and eternal thing. 1499 01:08:23,346 --> 01:08:24,836 It's like an eternal flame. 1500 01:08:24,947 --> 01:08:28,144 It doesn't just stop because of circumstances or situations. 1501 01:08:28,251 --> 01:08:29,650 It goes on, even past death. 1502 01:08:29,752 --> 01:08:32,585 It's a very bleak future you paint for yourself. 1503 01:08:32,688 --> 01:08:33,780 What is gonna happen to you? 1504 01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:36,222 Well, first of all, I want to write my book 1505 01:08:36,325 --> 01:08:38,816 and make sure that the truth comes out, 1506 01:08:38,928 --> 01:08:41,123 because, regardless of what you've heard, 1507 01:08:41,230 --> 01:08:44,131 I haven't sold my life story to anyone, to any newspapers. 1508 01:08:44,233 --> 01:08:46,895 The only newspaper I have talked to has been the Express, 1509 01:08:47,003 --> 01:08:49,198 who did the article about my adventures in America, 1510 01:08:49,305 --> 01:08:50,363 and that's it. 1511 01:08:50,473 --> 01:08:51,940 And I want my story to be told. 1512 01:08:52,041 --> 01:08:53,872 Are you really prepared to condemn yourself, 1513 01:08:53,976 --> 01:08:57,673 'cause that's what it is, to a very solitary life? 1514 01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:59,042 Yes. 1515 01:09:01,651 --> 01:09:02,640 [TV clicks] 1516 01:09:04,687 --> 01:09:08,384 Today's date is September 25, 1986. 1517 01:09:08,491 --> 01:09:09,924 September 25, 1986. 1518 01:09:10,026 --> 01:09:11,391 [Dog barking] 1519 01:09:11,494 --> 01:09:13,928 It is the interior of the McKinneys' house, 1520 01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:15,691 the office. 1521 01:09:15,798 --> 01:09:19,234 This is the office where the McKinney daughter 1522 01:09:19,335 --> 01:09:20,768 is currently working on a book. 1523 01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:22,861 Could you work at this computer 1524 01:09:22,972 --> 01:09:26,499 with the Benfield coon dogs barking outside your window? 1525 01:09:29,111 --> 01:09:30,635 [Distant barking] 1526 01:09:30,746 --> 01:09:33,146 My father is trying to take a nap. 1527 01:09:33,249 --> 01:09:36,241 [Dogs barking] 1528 01:09:42,158 --> 01:09:45,218 Outside, both Benfield hounds are barking. 1529 01:09:45,328 --> 01:09:47,387 This shot is done through the screen. 1530 01:09:47,497 --> 01:09:49,021 [Dogs barking] 1531 01:09:54,237 --> 01:09:57,638 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1532 01:09:57,740 --> 01:10:03,440 shows absolutely nothing around. 1533 01:10:03,546 --> 01:10:07,915 This shot shows absolutely nothing in the picture. 1534 01:10:10,686 --> 01:10:16,147 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1535 01:10:16,259 --> 01:10:19,490 shows absolutely nothing in the picture. 1536 01:10:19,595 --> 01:10:20,653 [Dog barking] 1537 01:10:20,763 --> 01:10:25,200 This shot made on August 8, 1986, 1538 01:10:25,301 --> 01:10:27,394 shows absolutely no other animals 1539 01:10:27,503 --> 01:10:28,629 or anything in the picture 1540 01:10:28,738 --> 01:10:33,038 to agitate the barking Benfield hound. 1541 01:10:33,142 --> 01:10:35,076 This is the same dog, of course, 1542 01:10:35,177 --> 01:10:37,975 that's been barking in the other pictures. 1543 01:10:55,264 --> 01:10:57,858 I finally got what's called agoraphobia. 1544 01:10:57,967 --> 01:11:02,165 It's when you can't go out of the house. 1545 01:11:02,271 --> 01:11:04,432 We had a big old farmhouse 1546 01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:06,838 with a river on one side and woods on the other. 1547 01:11:09,879 --> 01:11:15,078 And we thought that was, like, a natural barrier to paparazzi. 1548 01:11:15,184 --> 01:11:17,118 But they would just put on fisherman boots 1549 01:11:17,219 --> 01:11:18,811 and just wade right through that river. 1550 01:11:18,921 --> 01:11:21,685 [Water sloshing] 1551 01:11:21,791 --> 01:11:24,954 I remember one time a woman came on our property, 1552 01:11:25,061 --> 01:11:26,756 ignored the "no trespassing" signs, 1553 01:11:26,862 --> 01:11:28,625 and she was just gawking in the window, 1554 01:11:28,731 --> 01:11:29,720 like, trying to get up 1555 01:11:29,832 --> 01:11:32,562 to see what Joyce McKinney looked like. 1556 01:11:32,668 --> 01:11:34,260 It went on like that for years. 1557 01:11:38,207 --> 01:11:41,074 I could barely get out to go feed the horses. 1558 01:11:41,177 --> 01:11:44,169 [Insects chirping] 1559 01:11:49,151 --> 01:11:51,085 So finally, I got me this big old guard dog. 1560 01:11:51,187 --> 01:11:53,621 His name was Tough Guy. 1561 01:11:53,723 --> 01:11:55,520 He was a huge dog. He weighed about 150 pounds. 1562 01:11:55,625 --> 01:11:56,853 Solid muscle. 1563 01:11:56,959 --> 01:12:00,326 Pit bull mastiff bulldog. Jaws like a alligator. 1564 01:12:00,429 --> 01:12:02,329 And I just put him right out in the front yard like, 1565 01:12:02,431 --> 01:12:04,865 "Come on, boys. Come on." 1566 01:12:07,837 --> 01:12:11,295 One day, he got bee-stung. 1567 01:12:11,407 --> 01:12:13,602 These two women that worked at the pharmacy 1568 01:12:13,709 --> 01:12:16,234 who didn't like me decided that it'd just be a hoot 1569 01:12:16,345 --> 01:12:18,506 to add a zero onto that Prednisone prescription 1570 01:12:18,614 --> 01:12:19,808 for Joyce McKinney's guard dog. 1571 01:12:19,915 --> 01:12:21,075 Wouldn't that be funny? 1572 01:12:21,183 --> 01:12:22,741 Probably drive him nutty, wouldn't it? 1573 01:12:22,852 --> 01:12:25,719 Well, it drove him more than nutty. 1574 01:12:25,821 --> 01:12:29,518 The capillaries in his brain exploded. 1575 01:12:29,625 --> 01:12:32,924 But not before he attacked me. 1576 01:12:33,029 --> 01:12:34,690 He didn't know who I was. 1577 01:12:34,797 --> 01:12:37,231 He amputated... I can't raise this arm up. 1578 01:12:37,333 --> 01:12:40,029 But he amputated my left arm. 1579 01:12:40,136 --> 01:12:41,763 He tore off three fingers on this hand. 1580 01:12:41,871 --> 01:12:44,396 He ripped my intestines out of my stomach wall. 1581 01:12:44,507 --> 01:12:47,032 He shredded my knee 1582 01:12:47,143 --> 01:12:49,976 from my right kneecap to my ankle. 1583 01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:52,411 I was bleeding to death. 1584 01:12:52,515 --> 01:12:53,982 I was dying. 1585 01:12:57,386 --> 01:12:58,751 A few months before this, 1586 01:12:58,854 --> 01:13:01,220 I had found a little dog by the side of the road 1587 01:13:01,323 --> 01:13:02,483 going through garbage cans. 1588 01:13:02,591 --> 01:13:03,922 I named him Booger. 1589 01:13:04,026 --> 01:13:05,721 And Booger was a little pit bull. 1590 01:13:06,729 --> 01:13:08,458 I hit the brakes, and I backed up, 1591 01:13:08,564 --> 01:13:11,328 and I got out, and I said, "Could you use a friend? 1592 01:13:11,434 --> 01:13:13,402 "I could use a friend too. 1593 01:13:13,502 --> 01:13:16,232 Okay, I'm a softie. Get in the car." 1594 01:13:16,338 --> 01:13:17,362 So he went... 1595 01:13:17,473 --> 01:13:19,031 [mimics dog barking] 1596 01:13:19,141 --> 01:13:22,668 He had a little five-beat musical bark, Booger did. 1597 01:13:22,778 --> 01:13:24,439 Booger, Booger, Booger. 1598 01:13:24,547 --> 01:13:25,673 I had taken him home with me, 1599 01:13:25,781 --> 01:13:28,215 not realizing that he was gonna be famous someday 1600 01:13:28,317 --> 01:13:31,445 or that he would save my life or change the lives... my life 1601 01:13:31,554 --> 01:13:34,216 and the lives of so many people. 1602 01:13:34,323 --> 01:13:36,951 The night that this big mastiff attacked me, the guard dog, 1603 01:13:37,059 --> 01:13:38,651 I got next door to where Booger was. 1604 01:13:38,761 --> 01:13:40,251 I said, "Help me, Booger," and Booger shot out, 1605 01:13:40,362 --> 01:13:42,091 and he jumped on that other dog and pulled it off of me. 1606 01:13:42,198 --> 01:13:43,426 [Mimics dog barking] 1607 01:13:43,532 --> 01:13:45,090 It was a fight to the death, and I thought, 1608 01:13:45,201 --> 01:13:46,998 "Poor little Booger, 1609 01:13:47,103 --> 01:13:49,537 he's gonna give himself in a Christlike love for me." 1610 01:13:50,606 --> 01:13:52,369 When I came home from the hospital, 1611 01:13:52,475 --> 01:13:54,807 he sat on the bed beside me, and we healed together, 1612 01:13:54,910 --> 01:13:56,571 and we formed a bond, a friendship. 1613 01:13:58,514 --> 01:14:02,507 Booger was a very special dog. 1614 01:14:02,618 --> 01:14:05,781 Not only was he a licensed service dog, 1615 01:14:05,888 --> 01:14:07,879 but one day he just got up and unlocked the door, 1616 01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:10,686 and then he started dialing 911 with his paw. 1617 01:14:10,793 --> 01:14:12,260 He had a big button phone. 1618 01:14:12,361 --> 01:14:13,487 And I'd say, "Booger, help! 1619 01:14:13,596 --> 01:14:15,621 Dial 911." He'd go, whomp! 1620 01:14:15,731 --> 01:14:16,857 "Booger, I need a towel. 1621 01:14:16,966 --> 01:14:18,490 Go get me a towel out of the dryer, buddy." 1622 01:14:18,601 --> 01:14:20,330 He'd go in there into the dryer and get me a towel. 1623 01:14:20,436 --> 01:14:22,370 "Hey, Booger, get me a pop out of the refrigerator." 1624 01:14:22,471 --> 01:14:25,565 And he'd go get me one, and he'd so gently carry it 1625 01:14:25,674 --> 01:14:27,699 so he wouldn't burst it with his teeth 1626 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:29,607 and drop it in my lap. 1627 01:14:37,386 --> 01:14:38,910 He got me through that tough time. 1628 01:14:39,021 --> 01:14:42,081 For ten years, he was my helper. 1629 01:14:42,191 --> 01:14:45,126 My beloved old friend Booger passed away in my arms 1630 01:14:45,227 --> 01:14:47,821 of cancer in April of 2006. 1631 01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:50,057 I tried everything in the world to save him. 1632 01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:52,532 I took him to every veterinary hospital I could. 1633 01:14:52,635 --> 01:14:54,000 I said, "You can't die, buddy. 1634 01:14:54,103 --> 01:14:55,866 "You're all I have. We're a package deal. 1635 01:14:55,971 --> 01:14:57,962 You can't die." 1636 01:14:58,073 --> 01:15:00,667 That was the last command I gave him, "You can't die." 1637 01:15:00,776 --> 01:15:04,872 And he looked at me as if he didn't want to disappoint me. 1638 01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:06,971 And those eyes, with age-old wisdom, 1639 01:15:07,082 --> 01:15:12,349 those dark brown eyes looked at me like, "Don't worry. 1640 01:15:12,454 --> 01:15:16,550 I'll see you again. This is not the end for us." 1641 01:15:17,226 --> 01:15:18,318 I just wanted to go to heaven, 1642 01:15:18,427 --> 01:15:20,156 and I thought God would just have Booger there 1643 01:15:20,262 --> 01:15:21,388 on a cloud for me or something. 1644 01:15:21,497 --> 01:15:23,795 And I'd had such a sad life, you know, 1645 01:15:23,899 --> 01:15:25,628 with all the tabloid mess. 1646 01:15:25,734 --> 01:15:28,669 And I thought, "I just want the hurt to stop. 1647 01:15:28,771 --> 01:15:30,466 And I can't do without him." 1648 01:15:30,573 --> 01:15:32,438 Then I heard about cloning. 1649 01:15:32,541 --> 01:15:34,668 You know, I thought, "Well, I'll just give it a stab." 1650 01:15:35,678 --> 01:15:37,612 I contacted Dr. Byeong Chun Lee 1651 01:15:37,713 --> 01:15:40,580 and asked him if it was possible. 1652 01:15:40,683 --> 01:15:42,583 I wrote him a letter in Korean, translated it, 1653 01:15:42,685 --> 01:15:44,550 and then tracked down his phone number. 1654 01:15:44,653 --> 01:15:47,144 And he goes, "I can clone your dog." 1655 01:15:47,256 --> 01:15:48,621 I said, "Are you sure? 1656 01:15:48,724 --> 01:15:52,319 I mean, is it possible I could have my old boy back?" 1657 01:15:52,428 --> 01:15:54,362 He goes, "I can." 1658 01:15:57,666 --> 01:16:01,329 Do you ever feel like God? 1659 01:16:01,437 --> 01:16:03,428 [Speaking Korean] 1660 01:16:26,395 --> 01:16:27,885 What their plan was 1661 01:16:27,997 --> 01:16:31,398 is to take a little piece of tissue from Booger's tummy, 1662 01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:33,127 put it in liquid nitrogen 1663 01:16:33,235 --> 01:16:35,601 for its safe trip back to Seoul, Korea. 1664 01:16:37,072 --> 01:16:40,439 They flew back with the help of Homeland Security. 1665 01:16:40,542 --> 01:16:44,069 Homeland Security guarding these little cells. 1666 01:16:44,179 --> 01:16:45,168 Guarding Booger. 1667 01:16:45,281 --> 01:16:46,646 Well, to me, it was Spirit Booger. 1668 01:16:46,749 --> 01:16:47,716 That's what we called it. 1669 01:16:47,816 --> 01:16:50,046 It was like an orb of light 1670 01:16:50,152 --> 01:16:52,518 moved along the fuselage of the plane. 1671 01:16:52,621 --> 01:16:54,646 And people were saying, "What is that?" 1672 01:16:54,757 --> 01:16:58,386 But I knew. I knew it was old Spirit Booger. 1673 01:16:58,494 --> 01:17:01,588 I closed my eyes, and I said a silent prayer, and I said, 1674 01:17:01,697 --> 01:17:04,689 "Oh, Heavenly Father, please take good care of him." 1675 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,394 And it was like he spoke to my heart, and said, 1676 01:17:07,503 --> 01:17:09,528 "Don't worry. 1677 01:17:09,638 --> 01:17:11,970 "He's with me, and he's fine. 1678 01:17:12,074 --> 01:17:16,033 "And you, you are going to be fine too, 1679 01:17:16,145 --> 01:17:17,840 "because I've got Booger 1, 1680 01:17:17,947 --> 01:17:20,279 "but I'm sending you back Booger 2 1681 01:17:20,382 --> 01:17:22,873 and a little something extra." 1682 01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,110 [Speaking Korean] 1683 01:17:56,518 --> 01:17:58,645 [Static crackling] 1684 01:17:58,754 --> 01:18:00,278 - I get this long-distance phone call. 1685 01:18:00,389 --> 01:18:02,254 It's Dr. Hong. 1686 01:18:02,358 --> 01:18:05,623 "Miss Brenann, what is best news I can bring to you?" 1687 01:18:05,728 --> 01:18:08,219 And I said, "We're pregnant? 1688 01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:09,922 We're pregnant!" 1689 01:18:10,032 --> 01:18:11,056 He said, "We are." 1690 01:18:11,166 --> 01:18:16,468 On August the 5th, I flew to Seoul, Korea. 1691 01:18:16,572 --> 01:18:18,563 [Typewriter clacking] 1692 01:18:20,542 --> 01:18:22,874 [Typewriter rings] 1693 01:18:22,978 --> 01:18:25,970 [Speaking Korean] 1694 01:18:32,087 --> 01:18:35,022 Well, I found out what the little something extra was 1695 01:18:35,124 --> 01:18:37,922 that Heavenly Father had promised me. 1696 01:18:38,027 --> 01:18:39,551 There were five. Five? 1697 01:18:39,661 --> 01:18:42,994 Five cloned puppies, all exactly like Booger, 1698 01:18:43,098 --> 01:18:46,431 five mini Boogers lying there like little black jelly rolls 1699 01:18:46,535 --> 01:18:48,867 with half the world press crowding around. 1700 01:18:48,971 --> 01:18:51,531 They just looked like little tiny mini Boogers. 1701 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,301 It was the strangest feeling. 1702 01:18:57,179 --> 01:18:58,703 The weirdest thing is, 1703 01:18:58,814 --> 01:19:01,009 I was sitting in a hotel in Seoul, Korea, 1704 01:19:01,116 --> 01:19:03,277 and one of them got up and opened the door, 1705 01:19:03,385 --> 01:19:04,511 and he was four months old. 1706 01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:07,555 And I just went... 1707 01:19:07,656 --> 01:19:08,782 I thought, "How'd he know that? 1708 01:19:08,891 --> 01:19:10,153 I didn't train them to do that." 1709 01:19:10,259 --> 01:19:12,159 You know, they have those little refrigerators 1710 01:19:12,261 --> 01:19:15,526 with little wooden doors, like a cabinet, in hotels. 1711 01:19:15,631 --> 01:19:17,826 And he just reached right up, got that silver knob, 1712 01:19:17,933 --> 01:19:19,195 and jerked it open with his teeth 1713 01:19:19,301 --> 01:19:20,427 just like old Booger used to do. 1714 01:19:20,536 --> 01:19:22,003 And then, when one of them got the leash 1715 01:19:22,104 --> 01:19:23,162 and went over to the door 1716 01:19:23,272 --> 01:19:24,933 and dropped it like, "Walk me, now," 1717 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,736 like Booger did, it blew me away. 1718 01:19:27,843 --> 01:19:30,277 I said, "These are his clones." 1719 01:19:30,379 --> 01:19:32,609 It was $25,000, if I can remember. 1720 01:19:32,714 --> 01:19:35,774 Well, the original price was, I believe, $150,000. 1721 01:19:35,884 --> 01:19:37,317 Was it? God. 1722 01:19:37,419 --> 01:19:38,716 She must like her dogs. 1723 01:19:38,821 --> 01:19:41,847 I don't know. Some girl. 1724 01:19:41,957 --> 01:19:43,390 It was in all the papers. 1725 01:19:43,492 --> 01:19:47,986 "Dog cloning girl turns out to be the Joyce McKinney," 1726 01:19:48,097 --> 01:19:50,861 because she pretended it wasn't her to start with. 1727 01:19:50,966 --> 01:19:52,934 She called herself Brenann McKinney. 1728 01:19:53,035 --> 01:19:54,866 Something like Brenann, was it? 1729 01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:56,699 Berman McKinney, or something like that. 1730 01:19:56,805 --> 01:19:58,796 I forget what name she used. 1731 01:19:58,907 --> 01:20:01,137 I knew right away it was Joyce. 1732 01:20:01,243 --> 01:20:02,403 Why? 1733 01:20:02,511 --> 01:20:05,036 Well, I think there was a photograph. 1734 01:20:05,147 --> 01:20:06,739 And she hadn't changed that much. 1735 01:20:08,283 --> 01:20:10,012 I thought if I used my middle name 1736 01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:12,246 that I would just be left alone by the press, 1737 01:20:12,354 --> 01:20:14,254 because I don't see any connection at all 1738 01:20:14,356 --> 01:20:15,721 between cloned puppies 1739 01:20:15,824 --> 01:20:17,985 and a 32-year-old sex-in-chains story. 1740 01:20:18,093 --> 01:20:20,527 I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection. 1741 01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:23,097 But you should have seen the way Associated Press... 1742 01:20:23,198 --> 01:20:24,927 those people slandered me so bad. 1743 01:20:25,033 --> 01:20:27,126 In fact, if there's an attorney listening to this 1744 01:20:27,236 --> 01:20:28,897 that wants a good libel suit, I've got one. 1745 01:20:29,004 --> 01:20:31,029 "I'll sue anybody," she said, 1746 01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:32,903 "who says I'm that Joyce McKinney. 1747 01:20:33,008 --> 01:20:34,168 I'm not that Joyce McKinney." 1748 01:20:34,276 --> 01:20:37,177 But she had to admit that she was. 1749 01:20:37,279 --> 01:20:40,271 [Speaking Korean] 1750 01:20:47,589 --> 01:20:50,149 I was afraid to have a love affair of any kind after Kirk. 1751 01:20:50,259 --> 01:20:51,419 I was afraid to kiss a guy. 1752 01:20:51,527 --> 01:20:54,394 So I chose just to be celibate and... 1753 01:20:54,496 --> 01:20:56,191 as Bridget Bardot once said, 1754 01:20:56,298 --> 01:20:57,492 "I gave my youth to men, 1755 01:20:57,599 --> 01:21:00,227 and my old age I give to dogs that I trust." 1756 01:21:00,335 --> 01:21:02,200 Dogs and children love me. 1757 01:21:02,304 --> 01:21:03,771 They love Joyce McKinney, 1758 01:21:03,872 --> 01:21:07,308 because they sense in me an innocence, you know? 1759 01:21:07,409 --> 01:21:10,401 They sense in me a gentleness. 1760 01:21:10,512 --> 01:21:12,571 And they don't read tabloid papers. 1761 01:21:12,681 --> 01:21:13,978 They love me for me. 1762 01:21:14,082 --> 01:21:15,606 She's not an evil person. 1763 01:21:15,717 --> 01:21:20,051 I mean, she's just a bit crazy, eccentric, self-obsessed, 1764 01:21:20,155 --> 01:21:22,919 and self-involved and manipulative 1765 01:21:23,025 --> 01:21:25,687 and barking mad, probably, basically, but... 1766 01:21:25,794 --> 01:21:27,227 "Barking mad." 1767 01:21:27,329 --> 01:21:28,523 Yeah. 1768 01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:30,621 I wish we had that expression over here. 1769 01:21:30,732 --> 01:21:32,063 You can have it. 1770 01:21:33,569 --> 01:21:36,037 You can tell yourself a million times, 1771 01:21:36,138 --> 01:21:37,628 "God knows the truth." 1772 01:21:37,739 --> 01:21:40,708 And it would be nice if all you had to deal with 1773 01:21:40,809 --> 01:21:43,471 every day was God. 1774 01:21:43,579 --> 01:21:45,809 But you don't. You have to deal with people. 1775 01:21:52,754 --> 01:21:55,416 I didn't plan on any of the tabloids destroying my life 1776 01:21:55,524 --> 01:21:57,651 or the Mormons or the press or the wire services. 1777 01:21:57,759 --> 01:21:59,386 That was not in my plans. 1778 01:22:02,331 --> 01:22:03,923 I really didn't have much choice 1779 01:22:04,032 --> 01:22:08,128 other than to make some kind of move in my life. 1780 01:22:08,237 --> 01:22:10,501 I had promised God I was gonna write the book. 1781 01:22:10,606 --> 01:22:12,836 Finally. No matter how much it hurt me. 1782 01:22:12,941 --> 01:22:14,932 [Typewriter clacking] 1783 01:22:16,278 --> 01:22:18,576 But someone broke into my pickup truck. 1784 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:23,174 I had an entire cab full of materials. 1785 01:22:23,285 --> 01:22:25,480 I had court cases, court records. 1786 01:22:25,587 --> 01:22:26,986 I had all the interview witnesses. 1787 01:22:27,089 --> 01:22:29,023 I had all the exhibits. 1788 01:22:29,124 --> 01:22:32,958 I had the original modeling portfolio 1789 01:22:33,061 --> 01:22:37,259 which matched the head that was put on the naked body. 1790 01:22:37,366 --> 01:22:40,494 My whole life is in those three suitcases. 1791 01:22:40,602 --> 01:22:43,002 And this was an old pickup. 1792 01:22:43,105 --> 01:22:45,903 They pried the wing open with an orange screwdriver, 1793 01:22:46,008 --> 01:22:48,875 and they took coat hangers, 1794 01:22:48,977 --> 01:22:51,241 pulled the door open, 1795 01:22:51,346 --> 01:22:53,678 took absolutely everything 1796 01:22:53,782 --> 01:22:56,012 documenting the story I've just told you, 1797 01:22:56,118 --> 01:22:57,517 took everything, 1798 01:22:57,619 --> 01:22:59,849 with the exception of one little yellow laundry basket 1799 01:22:59,955 --> 01:23:03,220 which had somehow wedged under the seat. 1800 01:23:05,127 --> 01:23:06,856 At least I had something to show 1801 01:23:06,962 --> 01:23:10,762 that this nightmare ordeal happened to what was once 1802 01:23:10,866 --> 01:23:13,926 a normal, all-American kid. 1803 01:23:14,036 --> 01:23:15,196 [TV clicks] 1804 01:23:21,777 --> 01:23:23,642 "After her miraculous escape to America, 1805 01:23:24,313 --> 01:23:26,508 "Joyce retreats into seclusion to write a book 1806 01:23:26,615 --> 01:23:27,980 "about her love story. 1807 01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:29,778 "She vows never to marry, 1808 01:23:29,885 --> 01:23:31,910 "knowing fully that she could never love 1809 01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:33,817 "another man other than Kirk, 1810 01:23:33,922 --> 01:23:38,120 "for she will grow old alone. 1811 01:23:38,226 --> 01:23:41,423 "The love that once spanned an entire continent 1812 01:23:41,530 --> 01:23:43,725 and ocean still exists." 1813 01:23:49,805 --> 01:23:52,638 "Time changes, but the scene is still the same. 1814 01:23:52,741 --> 01:23:56,108 "Joyce is now a lonely old woman. 1815 01:23:56,211 --> 01:23:59,442 "Like Narcissus, she is pining to death, 1816 01:23:59,548 --> 01:24:01,413 dying of a broken heart." 1817 01:24:16,631 --> 01:24:19,657 That's the conclusion of my book, 1818 01:24:19,768 --> 01:24:21,759 but the love has never ended. 1819 01:27:33,995 --> 01:27:36,555 [Food bowl rattling] 1820 01:27:43,572 --> 01:27:45,096 [Typewriter rings] 1821 01:27:45,206 --> 01:27:48,039 [Radio static hisses]142402

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