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Few have what it takes to work undercover.
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Living in secrecy and constant danger,
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unrecognized beyond their tightest circles.
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Undercovers put some of the worst criminals behind bars.
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But they never get to tell their stories, until now.
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On Undercover, caught on tape.
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The potential death and destruction that was planned
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made the importance of this case far exceed anything else that I touched.
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You understand there's a lot of f***ing innocent people out there.
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That heart is black. They're not going for revenge.
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I don't give a f*** about who is going to kill.
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We'd both seen dozens and dozens of bad guys over the years.
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Some really hard-edged bad guys.
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He was just cold-blooded.
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We had to move real quick.
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Las Vegas, 1995.
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Special Agent Terry Clark became concerned about a growing
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anti-government movement brewing across the United States.
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But at that time, you know, when Bill Clinton became the president,
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there was a group of people that became very concerned about their rights
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and about guns being seized.
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Ruby Ridge was fresh. Waco was fresh.
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And there was a movement of people that believed that the government
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had grown too big and they were arming themselves
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and organizing themselves for resistance.
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Las Vegas became a magnet for anti-American militias and activity.
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We had an informant that ran a gun store, and he would tell us
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when criminals would come in and talk about committing illegal acts
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related to guns and bombs, we'd talk to my supervisor,
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and we agreed that we should bring in ATF undercovers.
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Jay's reputation was one of being a professional,
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of being great at undercover, and being somebody you can count on.
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My name is Jay Dobbins. I was an undercover ATF agent for 27 years.
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It was a natural fit for me.
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I think the best thing I had going for me was willingness.
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I took cases that other people declined because they felt
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they were too dangerous. I always said yes.
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My cover story was that I was a debt collector and a gunrunner
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and a sympathizer to this movement.
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There was a gun shop, and I just started hanging around there,
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and I was meeting lower-level people in the movement,
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and then they would introduce me to other people and to other people,
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and then you branch off, and then pretty soon this network of criminals
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grows pretty big and complex.
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We would surveil the gun store. We would get their license plates,
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or we would follow them. We'd conduct background investigations
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to identify them, and then we'd figure out what other illegal activity
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they may have been involved with.
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They were talking about committing these really heinous acts,
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including robbing a National Guard armory, killing federal judges,
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blowing up fiber-optic cable, and then the Oklahoma City bombing happened,
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and it changed the tone.
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At 9.02 a.m. on April 19th, a bomb exploded in front of the
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Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people, including 19 children.
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Timothy McVeigh was quickly identified as the culprit.
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It was devastating, and it really concerned us.
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It made us really focus on this case and ensure that these people
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didn't commit a crime like that one.
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There was a big spotlight shining on us, and I think Terry realized,
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and I agreed with him, that it was bigger than one undercover operative.
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I needed help.
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We asked Vince to come in.
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Jay and I started out early on in our careers working together.
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I was a natural choice for him and him for me for this one.
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He's really smart. He's really fast on his feet,
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and he's got a great understanding of the street.
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I have a background in psychology, and that helped a lot
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in the interpersonal interactions with bad guys.
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We ended up spending a lot of time with some real knuckleheads
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who sounded like real bad guys.
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They were interested in going after the government infrastructure,
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power plants, Hoover Dam, anything to strike out against the government.
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And it turned out, in some cases, they were in fact bad guys,
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but not capable of completing whatever they said they were going to do.
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When Jeffrey Tenpenny entered their radar,
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Agents Dobbins and Cefalu took notice.
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I remember seeing Tenpenny at this weapons training.
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We were out in the desert, and it was a big, massive shoot.
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There were dozens of people out there with all kinds of firearms
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and people setting off explosive devices.
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When I met Tenpenny, I was extremely concerned about his attitude
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and his willingness to discuss criminal activity in such a quick manner.
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It started out with narcotics.
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I think he was the first one to mention, "I can get speed. I can get this."
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And it was that easy.
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Anything he would say or do, we would feed off of.
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And, you know, "What kind of weapons can you get?"
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"Well, I can get this. I can get that."
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Clearly, he did not think we were undercover cops.
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With regards to Jeffrey Tenpenny, as soon as we met him, he was a target.
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I identified him as being somebody with a criminal record from Florida,
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where he had several arrests.
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And one of the arrests that he had was for something called terroristic threats.
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And that involves him threatening to blow up a car of a pimp
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that he was arguing with about a prostitute.
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Though Tenpenny was never convicted of those charges,
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the allegations got their attention.
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He was obviously someone that was on our radar,
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someone that we wanted to pay closer attention to.
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We stayed in touch with him for a couple weeks.
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He starts letting out that he's in the middle of a lawsuit,
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that he was injured in an elevator accident at the Golden Nugget,
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that an elevator dropped and he hit his head.
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His attorney had led him to believe that he was going to make a lot of money
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by suing the Golden Nugget and Steve Wynn's corporation.
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Vegas was growing explosively at that time.
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Steve Wynn was a part of that.
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He turned around at the Golden Nugget,
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and then he had a vision for the rest of Vegas,
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and that was to build these mega casinos.
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He built the Mirage in Treasure Island that changed the town.
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He obsessed about the attorney for Steve Wynn.
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His vendetta arose out of his obsession with her.
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Tenpenny focused his rage on the attorney representing Steve Wynn,
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because he believed she was the one who decided
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whether he got a big cash payout.
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All we had to do was poke the tiger.
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Any time we would mention the attorney or the casino or the lawsuit,
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he'd go off like a rocket.
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He'd just start, you know, spouting venom.
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"If they don't pay me, she's going to die.
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She's going to die, her family's going to die."
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We went from someone who we believed to be dangerous or to a threat
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to the most extreme levels.
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We realized that we had to, like, ramp up our intensity on this case.
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We had to take him very seriously.
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We contacted the head of the Mirage Casino Security,
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and we let them know about the threats of their corporate attorney,
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and they advised her to leave town immediately.
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We had to pay really close attention to his movements,
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and, you know, we didn't know if this guy had a hair trigger
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and was ready to go when we left, you know,
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and go to the Sleaze House and do harm or whatever.
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So we were, like, daily meetings about this.
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I mean, it was very high priority.
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Dobbins and Cefalu were surprised
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when Tenpenny called them up unexpectedly,
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asking to meet at a local bar.
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And when we pulled into the parking lot, he was waiting for us out front,
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and he had this long cardboard tube in his hands.
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I remember asking Vince, like, "What is that? What is he holding?"
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I had no idea what it was,
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but obviously he was there to make an impression on us
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because he rolls out blueprints to one of the casinos.
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They're the mechanical drawings for the Treasure Island Casino.
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He said, "If I don't get my money, I'm blowing this place up.
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I'm going to collapse this place on top of itself."
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This was going to go from a guy who sold a prohibited weapon
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and some street dope
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to a guy who's literally plotting the bombing murder of thousands of people.
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This murder plan was fanatical.
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It was maniacal.
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To actually have blueprints of it was pretty unnerving.
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It tells us that if he doesn't win his lawsuit,
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he's going to blow up all Wynn's casinos,
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not just the Treasure Island, but the Mirage and the Golden Nugget as well.
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We don't have the privilege to say, like,
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"I don't think he can do this," or "I don't think he's serious."
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We have to play it out until we confirm that he's not,
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because if we get this right,
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no one will remember.
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But if we get it wrong, no one's ever going to forget.
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It was our intention to get him away from the bar,
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too much background noise, and wanted to get the best evidence.
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So we wanted to get him in the car that we knew was wired up.
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So we got in the car, and Jay got in the back.
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That sort of tactical move.
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Tenpenny was sitting up front,
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wanting to get the best camera angle, because we knew where the camera was.
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With the recording devices running, Tenpenny continues to talk,
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and he continues to discuss his plan.
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-C4. -C4.
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-Do you know how to use C4? -I can tell you.
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-Specialist in C4. -OK.
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-OK. -How much would you want?
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-I haven't got an actual mount yet.
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I know it's going to take at least a month,
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but I'm not getting a treasure item.
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-The Mirage? -Yeah.
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-I don't have the HMG. -The Mirage in itself,
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I haven't calculated yet, because I'm going to say,
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it's a good thing he's going to be technical with that,
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because he's got the hulls that come off,
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the substructure and everything else in it is...
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you know, pretty complicated.
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So I've got to find out exactly where the support walls are,
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the load-bearing... and all that, so I can implode it.
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He wasn't completely without knowledge of the mechanics
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of what he wanted with those bombs.
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At this point, Jay and I figured, "This guy is committed.
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"He's committed to doing this with or without us."
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My fear was that it's not that hard
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to get things on the open market.
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It doesn't always have to be C4 or dynamite
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or a five-gallon jug of nitromethane.
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If he would have just gotten some of that
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and lit a fuse to it, something that simple,
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it could have done a lot of damage,
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maybe not as much as C4 or, you know, commercial-grade explosives,
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but we just needed to stop this train from running.
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So we tried to control the environment
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and wanted to make sure that we offered to provide him
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with our contact and our explosives and whatever he needed.
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Well, let's do this, all right, because I'm going to have you
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write down exactly what you want, so there's no...mistakes.
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If you want...if you need blasting caps, if you need fuses,
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if you need whatever you want. Mm-hm.
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But I'm telling you right now,
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don't tell me to get it until you're ready to use it.
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Right. That's what I was intending to do anyway.
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We wanted to know from him what he was looking for
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so it would be clear to any jury or anybody else
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who heard these tapes that he was going to do it,
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whether it was with us or without us.
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What are you planning on getting out of this when it's done?
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Revenge, bro. Yeah, revenge. Pure revenge? Damn right.
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$4.5 million, OK?
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The next thing I'm going to bring, then you're going to buy this one.
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It's a...air elevator, OK?
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Now, they have had me arrested, they tried to kill me.
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Like a contract hit? Yeah.
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They have done all kinds of...
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...your life up pretty good. Yeah.
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Having worked a lot of bombings in my day,
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seeing the carnage that they create,
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the injuries and the maiming and mayhem,
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I was just kind of horrified.
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It was hard for me to maintain my composure
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during that conversation.
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You understand there's going to be a lot of...
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...innocent people are going to... Yeah, I know that.
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There's going to be a lot of innocent people die.
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I know that. All right.
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See this tattoo, man? Yeah.
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That says "Blackheart".
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That heart is black.
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When I go in for revenge, I don't give a...about who he's going to kill.
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Just get going.
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But either way, they're going down.
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They're going to go down unless they give me what I'm asking.
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Which is? $10 million.
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He had this lawsuit, and he was on the hunt for millions of dollars.
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That was his number one objective.
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If he didn't get the money out of that lawsuit,
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he was going to make Wynn pay one way or the other.
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He was clearly ruthless.
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Just his complete disregard for who might be hurt
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or what might happen,
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that was probably the scariest thing about him.
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The case conference is the 22nd.
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It's two days. Okay.
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All right?
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The day that case conference comes down
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was the day I was going to have all my...
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Well, if you need it by the 22nd,
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we're going to need to, like, know today what you need, how much you need.
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He had some kind of pre-trial conference or something coming up
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that had him really agitated.
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And if he didn't get any satisfaction out of that,
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I remember him saying, you know, it was a goat.
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See if you can get me some ID,
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and me and my guys, we're going to go down to Mexico for a while.
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Dude, you're talking about causing a serious...storm at this time.
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Well, I was looking at it also like this.
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It would also be beneficial for your guys,
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even if they decided to take, you know, credit for it.
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Right.
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You know, they can sit there and say,
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"Yeah, no, we mean business with the gun laws,"
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and one side and the other, and don't **** with us.
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If you can take out Steve Wynn, we can take out two, too.
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Part of the reason that he was working with Jay and Vince
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was he believed that they were militia types.
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And so his idea was that he was going to get his vendetta
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and they were going to take the credit for the bombing.
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This was beyond street talk.
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This was beyond just bravado.
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I don't think Vince or myself was convinced of anything other than
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this guy is going to do this with or without us,
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so we need to make sure it's with us.
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Do me a favour for me, just because we know what's going on, man.
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Don't do anything without letting us know,
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because we want to get our **** out of the town, too.
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You know what I'm saying? No sweat.
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I know you know what you're doing.
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I just want you to be fully aware of what you're getting yourself into.
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How long do you think you'd do in prison for this?
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If you don't like something, yes.
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Real life?
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Oh, yeah. If they don't want to try your ****.
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And you're not scared of doing life or getting none of that?
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Don't look scared.
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No, you don't look scared to me, man.
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Don't fear. Don't fear.
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We'd both seen dozens and dozens of bad guys over the years,
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some really hard-edged bad guys, some real cold-blooded bad guys.
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And he was just cold-blooded.
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We had a responsibility now to make sure that what this plan was
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was never going to happen.
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The clock is ticking now.
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Thousands of lives are at stake, and we're way behind the power curve.
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This guy has articulated and then reinforced a plan to kill thousands of people,
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and it's resting on our shoulders.
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[♪♪]
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When I go in for revenge, I'm going to give up **** about it.
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Who is going to kill?
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One mistake could cost the lives of thousands of people
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in the investigation of Jeffrey Tenpenny.
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When we found out what his plans were,
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we needed to make sure that we stayed close to him
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to ensure that he didn't go commit any of these acts on his own.
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The goal was to stay good with him, stay in a good position with him,
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stay on his good side, enhance our credibility, make him believe in us more.
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In order to ensure that we had that type of control and that awareness,
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Jay and Vince met with him at the Treasure Island Casino
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and walked around with him.
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We started doing a walkthrough,
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and he was pointing out where he would place the devices
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and pointing out where the most populated areas in the casino were,
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in the gaming area or what have you.
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He specifically pointed out some places, like, "See this pillar right here?
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I'm going to put one of them right here.
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See this load-bearing wall right here?
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This is where the other one's going to go."
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I was in the surveillance room with the head of casino security
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for the Mirage and Treasure Island.
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I was up there while they were videotaping the meeting.
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I got the videotape, and they had an ability to print out still shots
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from the video, which I gathered, and that became evidence for the case also.
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He wanted them to be remote-control.
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He wanted to be able to remotely detonate them.
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He wanted them camouflaged as something that was common,
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something that wouldn't draw attention.
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I remember he wanted to put a satchel charge down somewhere,
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like in a black bag, a gym bag.
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I'd dealt with some pretty wicked people in my time,
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but this was, like, a very detailed, like, well-thought,
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maniacal, like, nightmarish-type scheme that was in his head.
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On June 22nd, Vince gets a call from Tenpenny.
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His case conference with the Wynn Corporation
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didn't deliver the payout he wanted.
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The bombing would go as planned.
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He made it crystal clear it's a go.
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He wanted to go forward with it.
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He was pretty much unhinged at that point.
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Now all of our wheels were spinning towards delivering
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these explosive devices to Tenpenny.
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We knew that delivering these devices to Tenpenny
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was ultimately what he would be charged behind.
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We had one of the best explosives experts in the country
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working for us, a guy named Jerry Taylor.
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Under the statute, you don't actually have to have a working bomb,
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you just have to have a combination of parts
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designed or intended to be used as a bomb.
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We had to give him a bomb that actually had the working parts,
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even though it wouldn't detonate for him
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if he didn't know how to do it.
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We made the device, one, out of a beer cooler that was mine,
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and the other one was a briefcase.
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So in the briefcase, you see that there's a timer on it,
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and the timer was set so he could have the time delay
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between when he set the device and when he escaped,
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and the other one is a remote control device.
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Inside these containers, you have real C4 and you have fake C4.
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There's a live blasting cap, it's attached to the fake C4,
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and there's a fake blasting cap, and it's attached to the real C4.
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We received a briefing on how they work and what the components were
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because we had to be able to articulate and explain what we were delivering.
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Then the second step was to make arrangements
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as to how and when we were going to deliver the devices.
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And then it wasn't like just me and Vince were going to show up
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and drop these off to him.
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An enforcement operation had to be built,
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a raid team had to be built and assembled and strategized.
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We ended up delivering the devices to Tenpenny in the garage at his house.
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We walk into his garage.
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He pulled the garage door down, so now we're isolated in his garage.
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[♪♪]
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Basically so no one could see or hear what was going on.
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[♪♪]
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It was absolutely tense. There's high explosives in there
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and you don't know what he's going to do.
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So, what do you think?
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At that point, I just didn't want to blow it.
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I didn't want to say something or do something
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that would get him to back off or ruin the credibility of the case.
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And this is for that one? This is for this here.
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We showed him the device, explained to him how it worked,
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and he was beside himself. He just couldn't be happier.
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You got a deal?
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We confirmed with him that this is what he wanted.
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We made sure that he understood that he knew how they worked.
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Let's do it. Get the money.
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He paid us for the devices.
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The cover teams were outside listening to us,
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and then we had a pre-designated bus signal.
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A little way to celebrate.
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Just as my own little gimmick historically,
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as either a bus signal or a staging signal,
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I'd always had a PEZ dispenser with me.
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It was meant to give the cover team an advance notice,
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like, "We're getting close. Get ready, boys.
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We're getting ready to take him down."
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I popped open my PEZ dispenser.
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I said, "Dude, we got to celebrate with a PEZ."
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We have a PEZ after every deal.
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Vince took one. I took one. Tenpenny took one.
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Then the cavalry came.
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Police! Get out of the car!
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All of a sudden, everything's opening up,
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and all the raid guys are coming in.
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I remember windows breaking.
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There was guns pointed through the windows.
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We all came in very rapidly,
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because we didn't want to give him a chance
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to acquire some other gun and to shoot his way out.
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So we came straight to the defendant
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and put him in handcuffs on the ground.
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He was very shocked.
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He believed that Jay and Vince were who they said they were,
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and he didn't know how the police could find this out.
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He thought that they were militia guys
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and that he was secure in his criminal activity with them.
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We took Jay and Vince into the car,
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put them in custody as if they were actual suspects too,
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because we didn't want him to know that they were undercovers.
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He didn't know until after he'd been booked
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that they actually were undercovers.
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The charges he pled guilty to
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were possession of explosive devices,
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possession of unregistered weapons.
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There's a huge sense of relief,
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because now we know at least this plan,
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this scheme, is not going to happen.
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Felt great to know that we prevented
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so much carnage, potentially, and loss of life.
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Well, after Tin Penny was arrested,
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we celebrated, went out for some drinks,
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and we stopped at a bar near the Showboat Casino,
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and it's called the Dew Drop Inn.
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And we posed in front of this bar,
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kind of like a teen picture.
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During the course of my 27 years as an ATF agent,
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I participated in one way or another
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in over 500 undercover operations,
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some big ones, some long-term ones,
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some that got a lot of publicity,
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but none of them were ever as important as this case.
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[♪♪♪]
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2016, Chicago.
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DEA agents put their lives on the line every day
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to prevent the trafficking of drugs like fentanyl,
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heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine.
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Undercover agent Mario Elias thought he had seen it all.
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There's other jobs that I've done
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that you would think would be more dangerous and weren't.
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I've done deals for 200, 400 kilos,
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a million dollars, five million dollars.
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Those could have been very dangerous,
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and they turned out routine.
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When the Godinez case came up,
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I was so far into my career that it became routine,
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which it should never be routine,
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'cause a drug deal is never routine,
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and anything can go sideways.
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We need one medic, we need one medic!
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So you just never know.
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My name is Mario Elias.
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I'm a retired narcotics detective.
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I've been in law enforcement 29 years,
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28 years of which I spent working undercover.
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In August of 2016, I received a call from another DEA group.
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They said that they had a confidential source
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that had information about a guy
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trying to sell 2 kilos of cocaine.
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He worked at a factory.
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He had been asking people that worked at the factory
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if they knew anybody that wanted to buy cocaine,
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which is kind of odd.
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This guy had even showed him pictures on his phone.
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He would walk around the factory showing different people
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the photos and asking, "Hey, do you know anybody
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that's looking to buy some cocaine?"
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When I heard that, that led me to believe
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that this guy might be an amateur,
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or maybe this is the first time he's done this.
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He had no criminal history, no record whatsoever,
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or it could also be a rip that he's trying to rip
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somebody off for money.
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At the start of this operation, when I was presented this,
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the goal was to meet up with him.
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If he did in fact have 2 kilograms of cocaine,
497
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
have him bring it out, see if maybe there's more.
498
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
We don't want just the person that brought it.
499
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
We want to get whoever he got it from.
500
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000
It's always best to bring an undercover in
501
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000
because they have first-hand contact with these people,
502
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
and you get better evidence, better testimony,
503
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000
and the cases are much stronger when you have an undercover
504
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
testifying against the individual.
505
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
We came up with a plan that I buy and sell houses,
506
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
but that I sell cocaine on the side,
507
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,000
and that the confidential source was a former client of mine.
508
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
I called him.
509
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
[phone ringing]
510
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Hey, bro, what's up?
511
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:41,000
My impression of Mr. Godinez on the first phone call,
512
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000
he was very polite, very accommodating.
513
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Whatever I said, he was willing to go along with.
514
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
That kind of raised some red flags because it seemed too easy.
515
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Right there, that kind of tells you,
516
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
well, maybe this might not be what it seems it is.
517
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
I got a couple of properties that flooded out and stuff,
518
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
and it's just been a nightmare,
519
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
so I'm kind of finally cleaning up here and stuff, you know?
520
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:08,000
I said, "I heard you have some work,
521
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
which is code for narcotics.
522
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Is it still available?"
523
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Oh, OK.
524
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Oh, for Morris, OK, OK.
525
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:32,000
For the first meeting, I showed up.
526
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
He showed up probably a couple of minutes later,
527
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
gets into my car, we have a conversation.
528
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
[speaking Spanish]
529
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
He tells me that he has 2 kilograms of cocaine
530
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
at $18,000 apiece for a total of $36,000.
531
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:24,000
He offered up a sample,
532
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
and normally drug dealers will give you a sample
533
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
so you can see the quality of it.
534
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
[speaking Spanish]
535
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000
What was a little bit off about this one
536
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
was that he took the sample back,
537
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
which is very odd that drug dealers never do that.
538
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
When they give you a sample, it's usually like a gram.
539
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
They'll let you keep it so you can try it out.
540
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000
But he wanted it back.
541
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Then again, that showed me that this guy is new to this.
542
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,000
OK.
543
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
[speaking Spanish]
544
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:12,000
I work it into the conversation.
545
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
I still have cocaine with me that I have to get rid of.
546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
But once I do, then I'll give him a call,
547
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
and that buys a little bit of time for me
548
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,000
to do a little more background on him and set up the deal.
549
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
We end the meeting.
550
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
I tell him I'll call him in a few days when I'm ready to go,
551
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
and we can come to an agreement.
552
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000
But I did agree to the 2 kilos for $36,000.
553
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,000
The case agent started doing background checks,
554
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
and his brother has had previous gun-related charges.
555
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000
And you start to think that, well, maybe this guy is legit.
556
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Maybe he does have ties to narcotics.
557
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Maybe he does have a way to get his hands on.
558
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
But it also raises red flags that when you start seeing
559
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
things like that, like, things could go sideways on this.
560
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
A couple days after the initial meeting,
561
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
I get a call from the case agent that says,
562
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000
hey, we're ready to go, can you set up a deal for this date?
563
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
And then at that point, I called Mr. Godinez and said,
564
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
hey, listen, I'm getting rid of the last bit of stuff that I had.
565
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Can we meet on so-and-so date? Would you be ready?
566
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000
I arranged to meet him on a Tuesday at the Joliet Mall,
567
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
but I didn't give him an exact location.
568
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000
What I normally do and what I did that day is,
569
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000
we're going to meet in this area, this mall,
570
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
but I won't give him an exact location
571
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
until we are set up and there so that he doesn't have
572
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
an opportunity to get there and set up before us.
573
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Even though there's a few red flags,
574
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
meaning Mr. Godinez seemed like he's new to this game,
575
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
and now all of a sudden you add family members
576
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
that have been arrested for guns and drugs,
577
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
even though there's some red flags, I'm feeling good about the deal.
578
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
I'm thinking, okay, this is going to go easy,
579
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
I'll be home in time for dinner.
580
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
At the time when I met Adan, Mr. Godinez,
581
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
I had my daughter and my goddaughter living with me,
582
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000
and at the time I was divorced, so it was just me and the 2 girls,
583
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
and I had custody of both.
584
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
That morning when I left my house, I told my daughters,
585
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
I'll be home in time for dinner, don't worry about it,
586
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
I'll make dinner for you guys.
587
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,000
But I never made it home for dinner.
588
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Normally I don't carry a gun to a lot of deals
589
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
because it's hard to conceal a weapon on your person,
590
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000
but this particular day I thought, maybe I'd better carry a gun today.
591
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000
In Chicago, Illinois, undercover detective Mario Elias
592
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000
prepares for what he expects to be a routine drug buy.
593
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Prior to me setting up at the location,
594
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
we have a briefing with a whole group
595
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000
and outline what we intend to do, what everybody's job is.
596
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
At that point, my boss says to me,
597
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
something doesn't feel quite right here, can't put my finger on it,
598
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
it might be a rip-off, it might be nothing,
599
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
something doesn't feel right about it.
600
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000
When I first arrived in the parking lot of the Joliet Mall,
601
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,000
it was a beautiful day, it was sunny, it was nice out,
602
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
I see people, some people walking around, not very many.
603
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
It wasn't very crowded that day.
604
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Set up in the parking lot, we had surveillance set all around us.
605
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Once they had a good angle on me where they could see me,
606
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
at that time I called Mr. Godinez.
607
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000
[phone rings]
608
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
[speaking Spanish]
609
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:23,000
He said that he had two girls for me,
610
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
which is code for two kilograms of cocaine.
611
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
[speaking Spanish]
612
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000
[speaking Spanish]
613
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Approximately 30 minutes later,
614
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
I get a call from the surveillance guys
615
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
telling me there's a vehicle circling the parking lot.
616
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000
We believe it's him, and there's two guys in the car.
617
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
At that moment, another flag comes up,
618
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
because now there's two people involved,
619
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
and I'm not just dealing with Mr. Godinez,
620
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
I'm dealing with somebody else in the vehicle.
621
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
The numbers are 2 to 1, so you have to be on your toes.
622
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
The tension rises a little bit more hearing that.
623
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,000
A few minutes pass, I see a vehicle pull up right next to me
624
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
and park directly to my passenger side.
625
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
I see Mr. Godinez get out of the car,
626
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
walks over and gets into my vehicle.
627
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
[speaking Spanish]
628
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
[speaking Spanish]
629
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,000
After Mr. Godinez gets in the vehicle with me,
630
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
I get a text from the surveillance unit saying
631
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
that his brother is the one driving the other vehicle.
632
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Tensions start to rise because now there's two people
633
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
that I'm dealing with, and I'm no longer dealing
634
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
with just this guy that's an amateur,
635
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
I'm dealing with possibly somebody that knows what they're doing.
636
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
All of a sudden you add family members
637
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
that have been arrested for guns and drugs,
638
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
you have to take it serious.
639
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
[speaking Spanish]
640
00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:12,000
He asked me if I want to see them, which I said, yeah, please,
641
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I would like to see, make sure that they are whole or in one piece.
642
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
He went to get it, he went to get it.
643
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000
He exits my vehicle, goes back to the other vehicle
644
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000
where his brother is at, grabs one, puts it in his shirt,
645
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000
comes back to my car, pulls it from under his shirt,
646
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
and hands it to me.
647
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000
[speaking Spanish]
648
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
[speaking Spanish]
649
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
[speaking Spanish]
650
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000
[speaking Spanish]
651
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
[speaking Spanish]
652
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,000
[speaking Spanish]
653
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000
[speaking Spanish]
654
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
[speaking Spanish]
655
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,000
[speaking Spanish]
656
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
[speaking Spanish]
657
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
[speaking Spanish]
658
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:18,000
I asked him if I could see all of them,
659
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
which he says, yeah, let me go get them.
660
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
He's getting it.
661
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,000
He goes back to his brother's vehicle and grabs a bag.
662
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Once he grabs that bag, he starts walking back to my car.
663
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
I see out of the mirrors that the brother moves the vehicle
664
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
to another parking spot, and out of my view.
665
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
So the surveillance team, they're focused in on my car.
666
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Once the other vehicle moves, now they got 2 vehicles
667
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
they have to keep an eye on, so it gets a little bit harder.
668
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Mr. Gonitos gets in the car with me, and at that point,
669
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
gives me the bag, and I start looking, and I could tell
670
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
that there's a full 2 kilograms of cocaine.
671
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000
I thought, this is great, we're getting what we came here for.
672
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
[speaking Spanish]
673
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000
[speaking Spanish]
674
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
[speaking Spanish]
675
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Once I see the cocaine in the bag, that's when I give
676
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
the arrest signal to the surveillance guys
677
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
and the surrounding officers.
678
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
I place a phone call to one of my partners, says,
679
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
hey, everything looks great, bring me the money.
680
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
That's when they know that that's the arrest signal
681
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
for them to come in and take everybody into custody.
682
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000
[speaking Spanish]
683
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,000
The plan was, once I give the arrest signal,
684
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
one team would go to the second vehicle, the brother's car,
685
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
and then another team would come to my vehicle
686
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
and take Mr. Gonitos into custody.
687
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000
The most tense moment of a drug deal is when you first
688
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
place your phone call and say, hey, you give the arrest signal
689
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
and they're coming in.
690
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
It feels like a lifetime, but it's only
691
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
a matter of a couple of minutes.
692
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
That particular day, it felt like it was forever.
693
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:15,000
I'm looking around to see which angle they're coming in at,
694
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
but you don't want to make it too obvious
695
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
like you're looking all over the place.
696
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
I try to catch them before he sees it, but a minute later,
697
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
I could see in my mirror all these cars pulling up
698
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
on the second vehicle, Mr. Gonitos' brother's vehicle,
699
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
and I could see it in my mirror.
700
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
The one team arrived at the other vehicle.
701
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
There must have been a delay.
702
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000
They didn't arrive in my vehicle.
703
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
At that point, Mr. Gonitos also saw it
704
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
and heard the screaming of police, police, get out.
705
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
By then, it was up.
706
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Everything was up.
707
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
He went into a panic.
708
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
In his eyes, he sees that his brother's getting arrested.
709
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
[interposing voices]
710
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000
You're serious, right?
711
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
Oh, my--
712
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
You're not my man.
713
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
[music playing]
714
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Hey!
715
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000
[gunshots]
716
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
[interposing voices]
717
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,000
It feels like it was slow motion.
718
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
[music playing]
719
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Mr. Gonitos freaks out.
720
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000
I could clearly see him reaching the waistband, getting a gun,
721
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
getting out of the vehicle.
722
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000
I did clearly hear him grab his gun, slide the rack back,
723
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000
and chamber around into the gun, which was clear as day,
724
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
and start firing.
725
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
[gunshots]
726
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
However, I didn't hear any of the shots.
727
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
[gunshots]
728
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
I grabbed my gun from the side pocket.
729
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
I get out of my vehicle, go to the rear of my vehicle,
730
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
and I see him running and shooting.
731
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000
[gunshots]
732
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
At that point, I started shooting at him.
733
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
And the arrest teams realized that they were being shot at.
734
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
They turned around and also focused on Mr. Gonitos
735
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000
and started firing.
736
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000
[gunshots]
737
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
[interposing voices]
738
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,000
[gunshots]
739
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Don't move.
740
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Hold your fire.
741
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Hold your fire.
742
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,000
[interposing voices]
743
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
[gunshots]
744
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
At which point, he is shot in the leg,
745
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
and he drops to the ground.
746
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
[interposing voices]
747
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Mark, step back.
748
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Step back.
749
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
We need one medic.
750
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
We need one medic.
751
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Once he dropped, arrest teams went over there,
752
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000
took the gun away, and applied the tourniquet to his leg.
753
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
And he was shot in the leg.
754
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
[gunshots]
755
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
[interposing voices]
756
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
[gunshots]
757
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
[interposing voices]
758
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
[gunshots]
759
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
[interposing voices]
760
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,000
[gunshots]
761
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000
[interposing voices]
762
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
[gunshots]
763
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
[interposing voices]
764
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
That's a lot of shots.
765
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,000
They say that it's very common for a shooting event like that
766
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000
that you have tunnel vision, where you only focus on one thing,
767
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
and you don't hear anything around you.
768
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
And that's what happened to me.
769
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
It could have turned very ugly.
770
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
If he would have stopped and took a stance and shot,
771
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000
yeah, I think quite a few of those guys would have got hit.
772
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,000
You'll see my vehicle here, and then see my vehicle here.
773
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
And then see how they box it in, so when they do an arrest,
774
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000
they'll box the vehicle in so he can't drive off.
775
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
So this is my vehicle here.
776
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000
This is the arrest team with the second vehicle.
777
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000
As Mr. Gondinas exits my vehicle, he starts running this way.
778
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
And so I have an angle this way, and the arrest team
779
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
has an angle that way for the shots that were fired.
780
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
As he got out of my vehicle, he started running away
781
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
but shooting back, so that's what actually saved us,
782
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
is the fact that he's running.
783
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
After the shooting, there was people everywhere.
784
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
There's news trucks.
785
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
I mean, everybody came out of the woodwork.
786
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000
News of the shootout in the Joliet Mall spread quickly.
787
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
All major news outlets covered the story.
788
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
I placed a call to my daughters to make sure that they knew
789
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
what had happened, because I wanted them to hear from me,
790
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
just in case they saw it in the news.
791
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
It went from a simple, which--a simple drug deal,
792
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
which is 2 kilos--we do them all the time--
793
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
to an actual shootout.
794
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
It was a shootout, not a drug deal.
795
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Both brothers were charged.
796
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Fernando Gondinas was the one in the other vehicle.
797
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Mr. Adan Gondinas was charged with the shooting
798
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
and also with the delivery of the cocaine.
799
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
If he would have just taken the arrest the way it was,
800
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
he might have gotten maybe 5 years,
801
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
because he had no criminal history that works in his favor.
802
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
But at the end, he ended up with a lot of years.
803
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Later on, when Mr. Gondinas was at the hospital
804
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
and he was talking about me, if I had gotten arrested,
805
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
I think if he would have known that I was a police officer,
806
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
things could have probably been worse for me,
807
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000
where he might have turned around and shot at me.
808
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
To this day, my boss still tells me, "See, I told you so.
809
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,000
I was right." And he was. He was.
810
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
I was supposed to come home and fix dinner,
811
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
but I ended up getting home probably around 1 o'clock in the morning.
812
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
I made sure that my daughters, that they're in their rooms,
813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
and I made sure that they had a good drink.
814
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Good stiff drink.
815
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Even though everybody walked away,
816
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
it still opens your eyes to the possibilities
817
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
of what can happen day in and day out,
818
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000
and a lot of times we take that for granted.
819
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000
That's when the light clicks that this could have been really bad.
820
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,000
It was life-changing. Makes you see things differently.
821
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
[♪♪]
822
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
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