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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:36,176 --> 00:00:40,135 ADAMS: Comic books are the dreams and aspirations of human beings. 2 00:00:40,313 --> 00:00:42,338 There is no better medium than comic books. 3 00:00:42,515 --> 00:00:44,039 It's the medium. 4 00:00:44,217 --> 00:00:47,516 You may not like comic books, you may not respect comic books... 5 00:00:47,687 --> 00:00:52,317 ...but they're something that people buy for themselves that they want to read. 6 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,128 There's a reason for that. It's because they love them. 7 00:00:56,296 --> 00:00:59,891 GAIMAN: I remember being given a box of comics when I was about 7. 8 00:01:00,066 --> 00:01:02,227 And I loved it. 9 00:01:02,402 --> 00:01:04,961 Still to this day, I have no idea where it came from. 10 00:01:05,137 --> 00:01:08,129 My father, just before he died, I mentioned it to him. 11 00:01:08,307 --> 00:01:12,038 He said, "I remember that box of comics. I'll tell you where it came from." 12 00:01:12,211 --> 00:01:14,406 And I thought, "Great." And then he died. 13 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:17,811 LEE: A lot of these characters, they were special and different and unique. 14 00:01:17,983 --> 00:01:21,817 And I definitely remember connecting to a lot of the superheroes in that sense. 15 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:23,784 This is a comic book from 1975. 16 00:01:23,956 --> 00:01:27,255 I used masking tape, ha, ha, to actually hold it together. 17 00:01:27,426 --> 00:01:29,690 I read it so much, it would literally fall apart. 18 00:01:30,663 --> 00:01:33,188 WAID: I think you could have put any DC comic in my hands... 19 00:01:33,365 --> 00:01:35,333 ...and I still would have fallen in love. 20 00:01:35,501 --> 00:01:39,631 My mom, when I was 8, made me sell all mine for 2 cents apiece... 21 00:01:39,805 --> 00:01:44,572 ...to Mr. West, the junkman, in the back of the Tupelo Hotel. 22 00:01:44,743 --> 00:01:45,767 [SIGHS] 23 00:01:46,679 --> 00:01:50,274 NARRATOR: Once, there was a world without comic books. 24 00:01:50,449 --> 00:01:54,886 Like jazz and like baseball, like so much that is distinctly American... 25 00:01:55,054 --> 00:01:58,046 ...the comic book was born in the country's margins. 26 00:01:58,223 --> 00:02:01,659 Cheap, slight, juvenile. 27 00:02:01,827 --> 00:02:04,318 An orphan child that would transform over time... 28 00:02:04,496 --> 00:02:06,464 ...into something vital and strong... 29 00:02:06,632 --> 00:02:08,600 ...but not by magic word... 30 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,598 ...or accident of science... 31 00:02:10,769 --> 00:02:12,828 ...or ancient incantation... 32 00:02:13,005 --> 00:02:16,304 ...but by the efforts of writers and artists and entrepreneurs... 33 00:02:16,475 --> 00:02:18,875 ...whose ambition was simply to entertain... 34 00:02:19,044 --> 00:02:20,841 ...to challenge... 35 00:02:21,013 --> 00:02:22,878 ...to captivate... 36 00:02:23,048 --> 00:02:24,811 ...to enlighten. 37 00:02:24,984 --> 00:02:26,611 These men and women of DC Comics... 38 00:02:26,785 --> 00:02:30,687 ...let their own lives and the world around them inspire their creations. 39 00:02:30,856 --> 00:02:33,757 This is the story of the birth of the comic book. 40 00:02:34,393 --> 00:02:37,851 This is the origin story of DC Comics. 41 00:02:38,030 --> 00:02:41,864 I know I sound crazy to say it, but, ha, ha, guess what. 42 00:02:42,034 --> 00:02:45,834 If you put the best artist in the world and the best writer in the world... 43 00:02:46,005 --> 00:02:48,530 ...they'll make the greatest piece of art in the world. 44 00:02:48,707 --> 00:02:52,973 And do you know what you'll call it? You'll call it a comic book. 45 00:03:00,352 --> 00:03:05,221 LEVITZ: New York is fundamentally an immigrant and entrepreneurial city. 46 00:03:05,391 --> 00:03:11,192 There's an enormous pressure that boils from the bottom of the hungry people... 47 00:03:11,362 --> 00:03:14,388 ...who come here looking for a thing they can do. 48 00:03:14,565 --> 00:03:19,059 And that inevitably goes to either things that are new... 49 00:03:19,237 --> 00:03:22,900 ...or the things that the elite aren't interested in doing. 50 00:03:23,975 --> 00:03:25,636 NARRATOR: It's the early 1930s. 51 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:29,910 Two immigrant entrepreneurs, Harry Donenfeld and Jack Liebowitz... 52 00:03:30,081 --> 00:03:33,073 ...run a small but profitable publishing concern. 53 00:03:33,251 --> 00:03:37,984 Harry was the backslapper, the glad-hander, the salesman, the con man. 54 00:03:38,156 --> 00:03:42,593 Making people happy, telling dirty jokes, drinking, going out to girly shows... 55 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,091 ...you know, that was Harry. 56 00:03:44,262 --> 00:03:47,663 He had mob connections, or so went the rumors at the time. 57 00:03:47,832 --> 00:03:51,791 It didn't help that he bragged about knowing Lucky Luciano and Frank Costello. 58 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:55,806 He didn't have someone who knew how to balance books and run a company. 59 00:03:55,973 --> 00:03:58,806 And so that's where Jack Liebowitz entered. 60 00:03:58,976 --> 00:04:02,468 NARRATOR: Harry and Jack make their fortune putting out pulp magazines. 61 00:04:02,647 --> 00:04:05,241 WAID: Not just pulps, but what we call the spicy pulps. 62 00:04:05,416 --> 00:04:09,284 Lascivious pictures of half-naked women on the cover... 63 00:04:09,454 --> 00:04:13,515 ...and these sort of racy stories inside, or at least racy for 1935. 64 00:04:13,691 --> 00:04:16,091 JONES: About as naked as the law would allow... 65 00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:18,091 ...and sometimes sort of pushing over that line. 66 00:04:18,262 --> 00:04:20,696 People did jail time for these magazines in the '30s. 67 00:04:20,865 --> 00:04:24,665 They were pornography by the standards of the '30s. Donenfeld almost went to jail. 68 00:04:24,836 --> 00:04:28,067 He had to talk one of his employees into taking the rap for him... 69 00:04:28,239 --> 00:04:30,173 ...in exchange for a job for life. 70 00:04:30,341 --> 00:04:32,536 The handwriting came on the wall about '37, '38. 71 00:04:32,710 --> 00:04:35,338 He thought, "Maybe spicy pulps is not where I wanna be... 72 00:04:35,513 --> 00:04:37,811 ...if the law's gonna be breathing down my neck." 73 00:04:38,683 --> 00:04:41,174 NARRATOR: For a country in the midst of the Great Depression... 74 00:04:41,352 --> 00:04:44,719 ...newspaper comic strips were a popular and cheap amusement. 75 00:04:44,889 --> 00:04:49,121 Collections of these, the very first comic books, begin to appear on newsstands. 76 00:04:49,293 --> 00:04:51,386 And Major Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson... 77 00:04:51,562 --> 00:04:54,725 ...a prolific pulp-fiction writer and former cavalry officer... 78 00:04:54,899 --> 00:04:57,333 ...is inspired to put out his own. 79 00:04:57,502 --> 00:05:00,869 January 11, 1935. You go to the newsstands in New York. 80 00:05:01,038 --> 00:05:05,270 You find Fun Comics Number One, the very first DC comic. 81 00:05:05,443 --> 00:05:09,106 JONES: Major Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson had a sense not just that this is filler... 82 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,805 ...but that new material might find its own audience. 83 00:05:12,517 --> 00:05:14,485 NARRATOR: The major needs business partners... 84 00:05:14,652 --> 00:05:17,712 ...and Harry and Jack need less racy material to publish. 85 00:05:18,221 --> 00:05:22,214 And in 1937, their very first collaboration, Detective Comics... 86 00:05:23,093 --> 00:05:27,086 ...the comic that would give DC its name, hits the stands. 87 00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:29,698 WAID: Why Detective Comics? Because it's an outgrowth... 88 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:33,495 ...of this whole urban culture that is fairly new to us as Americans. 89 00:05:33,670 --> 00:05:37,572 And the idea of urban crime was something that, 50 years ago, didn't even exist. 90 00:05:37,741 --> 00:05:39,766 Suddenly, you know, we have to worry about... 91 00:05:39,943 --> 00:05:42,002 ...muggers and pickpockets and street crime. 92 00:05:42,179 --> 00:05:44,443 Detective Comics was clearly a response to that. 93 00:05:45,749 --> 00:05:47,580 NARRATOR: After buying out Wheeler-Nicholson... 94 00:05:47,751 --> 00:05:50,151 ...Harry and Jack set out to grow their new venture. 95 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,254 And with comic-book pioneer Max Gaines... 96 00:05:52,422 --> 00:05:55,186 ...they launch National Allied and All-American... 97 00:05:55,358 --> 00:05:58,259 ...the companies that will eventually become DC Comics. 98 00:05:59,162 --> 00:06:00,891 At the same time in Cleveland... 99 00:06:01,064 --> 00:06:03,828 ...two teenagers, sons of Jewish immigrants... 100 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,026 ...are escaping the pain and struggle of their everyday lives... 101 00:06:07,204 --> 00:06:09,934 ...into a fantasy world of their own making. 102 00:06:10,106 --> 00:06:15,100 Together, they would create something revolutionary. 103 00:06:15,278 --> 00:06:18,441 JONES: Jerry was the nerdy science-fiction fan. 104 00:06:18,615 --> 00:06:24,178 Jerry was the one who read any kind of crappy, pulp, fantastic story out there... 105 00:06:24,354 --> 00:06:26,948 ...and was constantly making up his own stories. 106 00:06:27,123 --> 00:06:29,683 And Joe was the artist. Joe was very poor. 107 00:06:29,859 --> 00:06:32,521 It was very hard for him to get paper, to get art lessons. 108 00:06:32,696 --> 00:06:35,392 He found things to draw on. He was just always scribbling. 109 00:06:35,932 --> 00:06:39,390 And they were both rejects. They were both outcasts. 110 00:06:39,569 --> 00:06:42,834 LEVITZ: The kids who are coming of age in the 1930s... 111 00:06:43,006 --> 00:06:45,941 ...that first generation of creative talent for comics... 112 00:06:46,109 --> 00:06:49,806 ...have lived through an astounding moment of transition in society. 113 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:54,508 The world is changing very, very rapidly. Amazing things are happening. 114 00:06:55,051 --> 00:06:58,111 It's a marvelous world in a very literal sense. 115 00:06:58,288 --> 00:07:01,553 And the comics seize on a very visual dimension of it... 116 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:06,025 ...which is, if you can take a human being to the next level... 117 00:07:06,196 --> 00:07:08,130 ...what will that next level be? 118 00:07:08,298 --> 00:07:09,925 NARRATOR: Jerry and Joe imagine a man... 119 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:14,469 ...with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. 120 00:07:14,638 --> 00:07:19,769 Superman, I believe, was the most personal of Jerry and Joe's creations. 121 00:07:19,943 --> 00:07:23,242 In large part because Jerry had lost his father... 122 00:07:23,413 --> 00:07:26,279 ...when he was 17 years old in a robbery. 123 00:07:26,448 --> 00:07:28,973 It clearly left a mark on Siegel. 124 00:07:29,151 --> 00:07:34,145 You can see how that would make you long for a father figure who was bulletproof. 125 00:07:34,323 --> 00:07:36,450 Shuster gave the vision of the character. 126 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:40,288 Shuster's the one who designed the costumes, the one who gave it the visuals. 127 00:07:40,462 --> 00:07:42,953 But Siegel was completely the heart of that character. 128 00:07:43,132 --> 00:07:45,692 You know, the passion of it really came from Siegel. 129 00:07:46,769 --> 00:07:50,728 NARRATOR: Jerry and Joe submit their creation to editors across the country. 130 00:07:50,906 --> 00:07:55,900 And in turn, every one of them promptly rejects it. 131 00:07:56,078 --> 00:07:57,841 Some more than once. 132 00:07:58,013 --> 00:08:00,982 Nobody liked it. This was an anomaly. 133 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:04,483 Nobody else was doing it. Everybody was doing cowboys, detective... 134 00:08:04,653 --> 00:08:06,484 ...science-fiction-type things. 135 00:08:06,655 --> 00:08:12,651 These two 17-year-old Jewish kids in Cleveland, Ohio, created a genre. 136 00:08:13,395 --> 00:08:15,124 NARRATOR: It's not until four years later... 137 00:08:15,297 --> 00:08:19,233 ...that DC finally brings Superman to Earth's newsstands. 138 00:08:19,768 --> 00:08:23,727 That spring, Action Comics Number One is born. 139 00:08:23,906 --> 00:08:28,639 And there he is, Superman, in his red cape and blue tights... 140 00:08:28,811 --> 00:08:31,712 ...signature S emblazoned on his chest. 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,010 A modern-day Hercules, sending hoodlums on the run. 142 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,745 A refugee from a distant planet. 143 00:08:39,922 --> 00:08:44,985 A newly minted American who becomes an unapologetic social crusader. 144 00:08:46,128 --> 00:08:47,857 Leaping through the night sky. 145 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:50,999 A murderess under his arms in a race to the governor's house... 146 00:08:51,166 --> 00:08:53,930 ...to save an innocent woman from death row. 147 00:08:55,104 --> 00:08:58,699 KUBERT: Superman, even as he was drawn originally in his raw form... 148 00:08:58,874 --> 00:09:01,672 ...was one that I felt was alive. 149 00:09:01,844 --> 00:09:06,645 Understanding or feeling at that time that this was possible... 150 00:09:06,815 --> 00:09:10,444 ...that really had a tremendous effect on me. 151 00:09:10,619 --> 00:09:13,554 WAID: He's throwing guys right and left, he bursts in through walls... 152 00:09:13,722 --> 00:09:16,657 ...and smashes the doors, and that's how you meet Superman. 153 00:09:16,825 --> 00:09:20,659 He's two-fisted. He's knocking stuff around. He takes no prisoners. 154 00:09:20,829 --> 00:09:26,563 He's a giant ball of energy and force just bulldozing his way through the story. 155 00:09:26,735 --> 00:09:28,930 Clark is there and is instantly recognizable... 156 00:09:29,104 --> 00:09:32,470 ...as the meek, mild, bespectacled alter ego. 157 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,438 "If you saw inside me, you'd see that there's something big... 158 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:38,477 ...exciting and dynamic if you'd just look behind the glasses." 159 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:41,776 I was quite meek and I was quite mild. 160 00:09:41,949 --> 00:09:45,612 And I thought, "Gee, wouldn't it be great if I was a mighty person? 161 00:09:45,787 --> 00:09:50,156 And these girls didn't know that this clod here is really somebody special." 162 00:09:50,792 --> 00:09:55,661 I was very small and I was always pushed around by bullies and so forth. 163 00:09:55,830 --> 00:09:57,855 So that was one of my dreams. 164 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:01,433 I took courses in bodybuilding and weightlifting. 165 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:04,264 I don't know if it helped, but I made an effort. 166 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:09,872 NARRATOR: Action Comics introduces another iconic character, Lois Lane. 167 00:10:10,044 --> 00:10:14,071 She was smart, capable. She was a bulldog, passionate. 168 00:10:14,248 --> 00:10:16,011 When she saw a story, she went for it. 169 00:10:16,184 --> 00:10:18,516 She didn't think, "Gosh, it's gonna get me killed." 170 00:10:18,686 --> 00:10:19,812 She would just do it. 171 00:10:19,987 --> 00:10:25,857 I loved that. I loved her tenacity and her intelligence. 172 00:10:26,260 --> 00:10:29,161 NARRATOR: And in Superman, Lois met her match. 173 00:10:29,330 --> 00:10:32,959 In that very first issue, he takes on government corruption... 174 00:10:33,134 --> 00:10:36,501 ...domestic violence and urban crime. 175 00:10:36,671 --> 00:10:41,370 WAID: Really, Superman was the first crusader for social justice in comics. 176 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:46,536 He was sprung from, you know, two Jewish kids from Cleveland who were picked on... 177 00:10:46,714 --> 00:10:49,410 ...and this was their idea of empowerment. 178 00:10:49,584 --> 00:10:52,781 LEVITZ: There's an assumption that there is an absolute standard... 179 00:10:52,954 --> 00:10:54,251 ...of justice in the world. 180 00:10:54,422 --> 00:10:57,550 It's also very true to the immigrant experience at that point... 181 00:10:57,725 --> 00:10:59,056 ...in their hope for justice. 182 00:10:59,227 --> 00:11:02,060 We have come here, we've come to this land. 183 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:05,222 It will be okay here. It will be just here. 184 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,129 These are families that have come over from Europe. 185 00:11:08,302 --> 00:11:14,263 And they're watching whoever they left behind disappear in a very scary fashion. 186 00:11:14,442 --> 00:11:17,172 So the characters live for them. 187 00:11:17,345 --> 00:11:23,113 Nazism was rising up and a lot of innocent people were being killed. 188 00:11:23,284 --> 00:11:26,981 Countries were invaded, innocents slaughtered. 189 00:11:27,154 --> 00:11:32,524 And I felt that the world desperately needed a crusader, if only a fictional one. 190 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:37,892 Superman was about the immigrant experience in a very, very powerful way. 191 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:43,434 It's the kid from the old country who brings the best values from the old country... 192 00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:46,436 In this case, the old planet. - To America... 193 00:11:46,606 --> 00:11:49,837 ...adds it to the pot, and accepts the best part of America. 194 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:52,274 It's a really powerful set of ideas... 195 00:11:52,445 --> 00:11:55,243 ...that was really important to people in the '30s and '40s. 196 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,906 ADAMS: The newsstand dealers couldn't get enough. 197 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:01,952 Within three issues, they were up to a million copies. It was a phenomenon. 198 00:12:02,122 --> 00:12:04,989 WAID: There was never anything like it. There was that Supermania... 199 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:07,023 ...that hit in 1939 and in 1940. 200 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:09,787 We've not seen anything like it in American pop culture since. 201 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:11,260 Beatlemania was not that big. 202 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:13,729 ANNOUNCER: Over 100,000 boys and girls... 203 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:15,333 ...in the U.S. And Canada... 204 00:12:15,502 --> 00:12:18,699 ...are members of the Supermen of America. One mother says: 205 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:22,706 WOMAN: I should like to thank the publishers of Action Comics magazine... 206 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:25,003 ...for including a health page in every issue. 207 00:12:25,512 --> 00:12:28,709 Billy has been eating his cereal and drinking his milk regularly... 208 00:12:28,882 --> 00:12:30,747 ...since Superman told him to do so. 209 00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:32,976 MAN: Say, he can do about anything, can't he? 210 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:34,450 WAID: Everywhere you go, Superman. 211 00:12:34,621 --> 00:12:37,021 He's in your newspaper strip. He's on your radio. 212 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:40,353 There's short cartoons in your theater. He's on clothing. 213 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:43,987 You know, he's in the Macy's Day Parade as a balloon. 214 00:12:44,164 --> 00:12:47,099 He's at the world's fair in costume. 215 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:50,100 It's Superman Day at the world's fair. It's a big deal. 216 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:51,965 Everybody would've known Superman... 217 00:12:52,138 --> 00:12:56,040 ...from your grandmother down to the immigrant who just got off of Ellis Island. 218 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:57,972 Everybody would've known him. 219 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:06,043 NARRATOR: After Superman's unprecedented success... 220 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:08,449 ...editors at DC send out a call: 221 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:10,886 "Bring me another Superman." 222 00:13:11,925 --> 00:13:16,726 And for an 18-year old kid from the Bronx, that call does not go unheeded. 223 00:13:16,896 --> 00:13:20,525 KANE: And at DC Comics at that time, the editor came over to me and he said: 224 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:26,297 "Would you like to create another superhero in the genre of Superman?" 225 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:29,033 And let's see, I was making about $25 a week. 226 00:13:29,209 --> 00:13:32,701 And I said, "How much does Siegel and Shuster, who created Superman, make?" 227 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,245 "Well, they make $800 a week apiece." 228 00:13:35,415 --> 00:13:38,179 I said, "For that money, you'll have a superhero on Monday." 229 00:13:38,585 --> 00:13:39,984 NARRATOR: Kane enlists his friend... 230 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:43,919 ...a shoe salesman who wants to be a writer, Bill Finger. 231 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:46,024 WAID: Bob Kane sat down with him and said: 232 00:13:46,192 --> 00:13:49,058 "You know, I've got this idea. It's a character named Batman. 233 00:13:49,228 --> 00:13:51,628 And he's basically Superman, but without powers." 234 00:13:51,797 --> 00:13:55,563 And the two of them sit down and they start knocking the idea back and forth. 235 00:13:55,734 --> 00:13:57,065 NARRATOR: And with Finger's help... 236 00:13:57,236 --> 00:14:01,900 ...Kane spends the weekend refining the character into something remarkable. 237 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:06,839 By Monday morning, you know, Kane comes back to his editor, Vince Sullivan. 238 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:08,604 Says, "Here's what I got." 239 00:14:08,781 --> 00:14:11,773 And Vince Sullivan knew something good when he saw it. 240 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:14,043 And he said, "I love it. What do you call it?" 241 00:14:14,219 --> 00:14:16,346 I said, "That's a good question, ha, ha. 242 00:14:16,522 --> 00:14:19,218 Maybe we'll call it The Bat-hyphenated-Man." 243 00:14:19,725 --> 00:14:21,818 NARRATOR: Less than a year after Superman's debut... 244 00:14:21,994 --> 00:14:26,124 ...Detective Comics introduces The Batman, hyphen optional. 245 00:14:26,298 --> 00:14:28,960 WAID: Here comes this mysterious bat-shrouded character... 246 00:14:29,134 --> 00:14:31,728 ...carrying a gangster under one arm and swinging in. 247 00:14:31,904 --> 00:14:35,135 The first cover was unlike anything we'd seen in comics before. 248 00:14:35,307 --> 00:14:37,104 This was new. 249 00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:41,337 NARRATOR: A superhero detective in the urban-crime tradition. 250 00:14:42,514 --> 00:14:44,778 He takes on the case of the Chemical Syndicate... 251 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:47,475 ...and solves it with his brain and his fists... 252 00:14:47,653 --> 00:14:50,520 ...dispensing vigilante justice. 253 00:14:51,523 --> 00:14:55,926 And it's not until the final panel that the Batman's alter ego is revealed: 254 00:14:56,729 --> 00:15:00,563 Young playboy millionaire Bruce Wayne. 255 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:05,067 KANE: I wanted to be Bruce Wayne in my reverie. 256 00:15:05,237 --> 00:15:10,937 Instead of a poor kid, I imagined I'd like to be a rich playboy and fight crime at night. 257 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:17,174 He made himself up in the same way that Bruce Wayne makes up this Batman. 258 00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:21,615 He was born Bob Kahn, went for the Bob Kane name very early. 259 00:15:21,887 --> 00:15:25,482 Everyone who knew him said he got a nose job as soon as he had the money. 260 00:15:25,657 --> 00:15:28,251 He was very dapper, very concerned with his appearance. 261 00:15:28,427 --> 00:15:30,918 He really wanted to be, I think, a movie star. 262 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:36,261 And he also wanted to be a successful, non-ethnic New York socialite. 263 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:39,067 WAID: I can probably count on the fingers of one hand... 264 00:15:39,238 --> 00:15:42,332 ...the comic-book characters that have ever been created by affluent... 265 00:15:42,508 --> 00:15:43,600 ...successful people. 266 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:47,177 The characters of longevity always come from a place of oppression. 267 00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:53,342 Always come from a place of wanting to break out of the world that you're in. 268 00:15:53,785 --> 00:15:56,686 HASEN: We all were kids from the Bronx. 269 00:15:56,854 --> 00:16:01,848 We were all a bunch of schmucks, talking Jewish. Schmucks. 270 00:16:02,026 --> 00:16:08,192 We were innocent, talented guys who were schmucks. 271 00:16:08,833 --> 00:16:10,562 We never drew ourselves. 272 00:16:10,735 --> 00:16:11,861 Why? 273 00:16:12,336 --> 00:16:15,499 Why should we draw poor little guys? 274 00:16:16,407 --> 00:16:20,503 What would inspire us to draw poor little guys? 275 00:16:20,945 --> 00:16:25,041 McDUFFIE: Comic books is an industry made up of people who aren't accepted... 276 00:16:25,216 --> 00:16:27,116 ...who desperately want to be accepted. 277 00:16:27,285 --> 00:16:31,346 So they desperately want to be like mainstream America. 278 00:16:31,522 --> 00:16:35,720 It's why Batman's a millionaire and Superman is a farmer. 279 00:16:35,893 --> 00:16:39,056 Real mainstream, real, real, real America. 280 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:42,893 So they imprint themselves on heroic images... 281 00:16:43,067 --> 00:16:45,399 ...that embody all the stuff they wish they were. 282 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:47,561 Rich and handsome and muscular... 283 00:16:47,738 --> 00:16:52,937 ...and able to handle any situation and not tongue-tied. 284 00:16:54,078 --> 00:16:57,377 WAID: The public loved Batman. The public embraced Batman very quickly. 285 00:16:57,548 --> 00:17:00,346 Especially when you get into the fourth or fifth adventure... 286 00:17:00,518 --> 00:17:02,383 ...and you start to outline his origins. 287 00:17:02,553 --> 00:17:07,889 The classic scene of young Bruce Wayne with his parents out behind a theater. 288 00:17:08,059 --> 00:17:10,050 His parents are gunned down before his eyes. 289 00:17:10,228 --> 00:17:13,061 And that's the moment that made him want to turn into Batman. 290 00:17:13,231 --> 00:17:15,756 DIDIO: That's why Batman works so well. 291 00:17:15,933 --> 00:17:18,697 Whatever he does, you understand why he does it. 292 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:22,431 He's lost his parents at a random crime in the city... 293 00:17:22,607 --> 00:17:25,940 ...and he wants to make sure that no one else suffers the same horror... 294 00:17:26,110 --> 00:17:27,475 ...that he had to go through. 295 00:17:27,645 --> 00:17:31,308 NARRATOR: Batman's popularity soon rivals Superman's. 296 00:17:31,649 --> 00:17:35,642 And now with two signature characters, business is booming. 297 00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:38,653 But with success comes scrutiny. 298 00:17:38,823 --> 00:17:42,759 And wouldn't you know it, before long, the comics have their first critics. 299 00:17:42,927 --> 00:17:46,954 Comic books were still targeted very much toward adolescent boys... 300 00:17:47,131 --> 00:17:49,258 ...with the things that made boys excited. 301 00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:51,333 You know, violence and no time for girls. 302 00:17:51,936 --> 00:17:53,597 Girls are for sissies. 303 00:17:53,771 --> 00:17:57,901 NARRATOR: Pop psychologist and celebrity Dr. William Moulton Marston... 304 00:17:58,075 --> 00:18:01,635 ...pens an article criticizing comics for not reaching their full potential. 305 00:18:01,811 --> 00:18:04,712 DC's response: Hire him. 306 00:18:04,881 --> 00:18:07,679 WAID: They hired Marston to be an editorial advisor. 307 00:18:07,851 --> 00:18:10,445 He was very much one of the world's first feminists. 308 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:12,520 He also helped create the lie detector. 309 00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:15,157 Marston would reportedly give lie-detector tests... 310 00:18:15,325 --> 00:18:18,089 ...to anybody who visited his home, just to break the ice. 311 00:18:18,261 --> 00:18:22,061 ANNOUNCER: Dr. William Marston tests his latest invention, the love meter. 312 00:18:22,232 --> 00:18:25,963 He's going to find out whether blonds or brunettes react more to love. 313 00:18:26,136 --> 00:18:28,627 Dr. Marston declares gentlemen may prefer blonds... 314 00:18:28,805 --> 00:18:30,830 ...but brunettes prefer love scenes. 315 00:18:31,007 --> 00:18:36,775 He had a very interesting home life. 316 00:18:36,947 --> 00:18:38,414 He had a wife... 317 00:18:38,581 --> 00:18:43,041 ...and he had a graduate student who lived with him and his wife. 318 00:18:43,219 --> 00:18:44,982 Sort of became her co-wife. 319 00:18:45,155 --> 00:18:50,092 It sounds like a very amicable arrangement that he had. 320 00:18:50,260 --> 00:18:53,627 And somehow he talked his wife into working to support the family. 321 00:18:53,797 --> 00:18:57,358 The family being him and his mistress and the kids by each. 322 00:18:57,534 --> 00:19:01,402 He may have believed in female domination, but he had some manipulative brilliance. 323 00:19:01,871 --> 00:19:04,135 NARRATOR: Marston writes that the comics' worst offense... 324 00:19:04,307 --> 00:19:06,969 ...is their bloodcurdling masculinity. 325 00:19:07,143 --> 00:19:10,738 He insists something important is missing. That something? 326 00:19:10,914 --> 00:19:12,541 Wonder Woman. 327 00:19:14,084 --> 00:19:15,984 Wonder Woman makes her first appearance... 328 00:19:16,152 --> 00:19:19,315 ...buried in the back of an issue of All Star Comics. 329 00:19:19,689 --> 00:19:24,217 A child of the gods, called by the rumblings of war to bring peace to man's world. 330 00:19:24,394 --> 00:19:25,418 [CROWD GASPS] 331 00:19:25,595 --> 00:19:28,359 WAID: She was a vehicle with which you could introduce pacifism... 332 00:19:28,531 --> 00:19:31,193 ...give comics a mother figure where they didn't have one. 333 00:19:31,368 --> 00:19:34,599 They were just full of father figures, or angry uncles. 334 00:19:34,771 --> 00:19:39,037 NARRATOR: Princess Diana is a native of Paradise Island, untouched by men... 335 00:19:39,209 --> 00:19:43,009 ...until Captain Steve Trevor crash-lands into her world. 336 00:19:43,513 --> 00:19:47,449 Against her mother's wishes, Diana competes for the right to take him back. 337 00:19:47,617 --> 00:19:51,849 Driven by love, she bests her sisters at every challenge. 338 00:19:52,255 --> 00:19:55,952 And with her mother's blessing, Wonder Woman is born. 339 00:19:56,426 --> 00:20:01,830 A statuesque Amazon wrapped in the American flag. 340 00:20:01,998 --> 00:20:04,398 She's not an unreasonable icon to have been created. 341 00:20:04,567 --> 00:20:09,401 During World War II, women took over a lot of male roles. 342 00:20:09,571 --> 00:20:12,631 She's a Rosie the Riveter, only a goddess. 343 00:20:15,644 --> 00:20:18,704 NARRATOR: Defending her adopted nation with a lasso of truth... 344 00:20:18,881 --> 00:20:20,246 ...an invisible plane... 345 00:20:20,416 --> 00:20:21,440 [GUNFIRE] 346 00:20:21,617 --> 00:20:23,551 ...and bulletproof bracelets... 347 00:20:23,719 --> 00:20:25,778 ...thugs cower before her. 348 00:20:25,954 --> 00:20:29,117 And Wonder Woman soon pushes her way out of the back pages. 349 00:20:29,291 --> 00:20:31,725 NARRATOR: Marston wanted to portray Wonder Woman... 350 00:20:31,894 --> 00:20:35,921 ...as a character of strength, but his definition of strength was very interesting. 351 00:20:36,098 --> 00:20:43,061 It was all about the willingness of women to submit themselves. 352 00:20:43,238 --> 00:20:48,505 That was a symbol of power and a symbol of defiance. 353 00:20:48,677 --> 00:20:50,941 What that translates to on the comic-book page... 354 00:20:51,113 --> 00:20:53,343 ...more often than not, is Wonder Woman tied up. 355 00:20:53,515 --> 00:20:56,712 There is a lot of bondage in those comics. 356 00:20:56,985 --> 00:21:00,148 It's hard to convey how often. I mean, I say that and people think: 357 00:21:00,322 --> 00:21:02,552 "Well, like maybe once an issue," somebody said. 358 00:21:02,724 --> 00:21:07,320 But it was like every page, ha, ha, Marston found a way... 359 00:21:07,496 --> 00:21:12,058 ...to have his artists draw somebody tied up, manacled to walls, spread-eagled. 360 00:21:12,234 --> 00:21:13,758 You could see where he was going. 361 00:21:13,936 --> 00:21:17,599 Wonder Woman was one of the comics most troubling to DC's editorial advisors... 362 00:21:17,773 --> 00:21:21,709 ...because on the surface, it seemed to be saying all the right things... 363 00:21:21,877 --> 00:21:26,576 ...but then there were all these scantily clad women getting tied up or tying men up. 364 00:21:26,748 --> 00:21:28,010 WAID: The question then becomes: 365 00:21:28,183 --> 00:21:30,674 "Is that one of the reasons Wonder Woman was popular?" 366 00:21:30,853 --> 00:21:34,152 I'm not entirely sure. I wouldn't rule it out. 367 00:21:34,556 --> 00:21:37,650 NARRATOR: Wonder Woman is instantly embraced. 368 00:21:37,826 --> 00:21:42,058 Mostly by little boys and servicemen. 369 00:21:42,331 --> 00:21:45,095 And America has its first superheroine. 370 00:21:45,267 --> 00:21:49,829 And she takes her place in the pantheon alongside Superman and Batman. 371 00:21:50,506 --> 00:21:56,843 And now with three iconic characters, the Golden Age of DC Comics is underway. 372 00:22:00,949 --> 00:22:05,648 Justice-seeking superheroes hit a nerve in an America on the verge of war. 373 00:22:06,288 --> 00:22:11,692 And by 1945, comics triple their circulation, selling millions each month. 374 00:22:12,394 --> 00:22:17,660 And so they would jam these creative young guys in these little rooms... 375 00:22:17,832 --> 00:22:21,359 ...just drawing side by side, hour after hour. 376 00:22:21,536 --> 00:22:24,767 Gil Kane, one of the artists of that time, walked into one of these... 377 00:22:24,939 --> 00:22:28,375 ...said it looked like an internment camp. It was sweaty, foul-smelling. 378 00:22:28,543 --> 00:22:32,843 Maybe one reason many women weren't in the business was it looked unappealing. 379 00:22:33,014 --> 00:22:36,450 It was a scene of desks. That's all. 380 00:22:36,617 --> 00:22:39,017 And of secretaries, one. 381 00:22:39,187 --> 00:22:42,520 That was the way it was. It could have been a hell of a lot worse. 382 00:22:42,690 --> 00:22:44,123 It was an escape. 383 00:22:44,292 --> 00:22:46,590 We wanted to be with each other, the brotherhood. 384 00:22:46,994 --> 00:22:50,020 WAID: Publishers all over New York were inspired by DC's success... 385 00:22:50,198 --> 00:22:51,961 ...to home-grow their own superheroes. 386 00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:54,931 And before you knew it, the newsstand was just flooded. 387 00:22:55,102 --> 00:22:57,798 There wasn't enough of it to sate the public. 388 00:22:57,972 --> 00:23:02,136 There was the appetite for more. By the time you get to 1940, 1941... 389 00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:06,269 ...literally hundreds of comics and dozens and dozens of costumed characters... 390 00:23:06,447 --> 00:23:08,574 ...not just from DC, but from all over. 391 00:23:08,749 --> 00:23:11,650 NARRATOR: Here comes The Flash, the fastest man alive. 392 00:23:11,819 --> 00:23:15,619 The Spectre, Sandman, Hawkman, Green Arrow... 393 00:23:15,790 --> 00:23:19,055 ...The Spirit, Star-Spangled Kid, Aquaman... 394 00:23:19,227 --> 00:23:23,425 ...Mr. Terrific, Phantom Lady, Plastic Man, and Green Lantern. 395 00:23:23,598 --> 00:23:25,964 He had a mask, blond hair... 396 00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:29,466 ...an emblem on his chest and a ring on his finger. 397 00:23:29,637 --> 00:23:32,765 I never forget... I never remember which finger. 398 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,337 [LAUGHS] 399 00:23:34,508 --> 00:23:38,137 Sheldon Mayer used to go, "Hasen, ring is on the left hand." 400 00:23:38,312 --> 00:23:39,904 I was never a finger man. 401 00:23:40,081 --> 00:23:42,345 NARRATOR: As hero after hero arrives on the newsstands... 402 00:23:42,516 --> 00:23:44,780 ...one grabs young fans more than the others: 403 00:23:44,952 --> 00:23:46,886 Fawcett Publications' Captain Marvel. 404 00:23:47,054 --> 00:23:49,579 KIDD: There was this sense of whimsy. 405 00:23:49,757 --> 00:23:54,592 The genius stroke of Captain Marvel is that he's a child. 406 00:23:54,762 --> 00:23:59,790 And then he says this magic word and becomes this big, all-powerful adult. 407 00:23:59,967 --> 00:24:03,994 Well, hello. I mean, that's what every kid wanted. 408 00:24:04,372 --> 00:24:08,331 NARRATOR: In his heyday, the Big Red Cheese outsells even Superman. 409 00:24:08,609 --> 00:24:12,238 And with new superheroes come super-villains. 410 00:24:12,413 --> 00:24:16,213 Batman takes on the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman. 411 00:24:16,384 --> 00:24:18,375 Wonder Woman battles the Cheetah. 412 00:24:18,552 --> 00:24:19,678 And for Superman? 413 00:24:19,854 --> 00:24:25,348 Luthor, a criminal mastermind with a full head of red hair, briefly. 414 00:24:25,525 --> 00:24:27,618 And to help fight these super-villains? 415 00:24:27,794 --> 00:24:28,886 Sidekicks. 416 00:24:29,062 --> 00:24:31,860 Robin, the Boy Wonder, is first. 417 00:24:32,032 --> 00:24:33,795 WAID: Costumed sidekicks just didn't exist. 418 00:24:33,967 --> 00:24:39,735 Robin is this young, youthful acrobat. He's cracking jokes, he's making puns. 419 00:24:39,906 --> 00:24:41,874 It radically changes the tone of the book. 420 00:24:42,042 --> 00:24:45,239 NARRATOR: Robin gives young readers a chance to see themselves in the comics. 421 00:24:45,412 --> 00:24:47,778 He strikes a chord and kid sidekicks... 422 00:24:47,947 --> 00:24:50,848 ...become almost obligatory for new superheroes. 423 00:24:51,017 --> 00:24:53,611 And superheroes are everywhere. 424 00:24:53,787 --> 00:24:56,221 MAN 1: Up in the sky, look. It's a bird. 425 00:24:56,389 --> 00:24:58,482 WOMAN: It's a plane. MAN 2: It's Superman. 426 00:24:58,658 --> 00:25:00,626 NARRATOR: The Adventures of Superman radio show... 427 00:25:00,794 --> 00:25:03,490 ...is broadcast into living rooms across America. 428 00:25:03,663 --> 00:25:06,097 Every week promises a new thrilling adventure. 429 00:25:06,266 --> 00:25:10,259 But Superman also finds time to fight against religious intolerance... 430 00:25:10,437 --> 00:25:13,770 ...juvenile delinquency and even the KKK. 431 00:25:14,407 --> 00:25:18,434 O'NEIL: Superman was the first figure outside of my family... 432 00:25:18,611 --> 00:25:24,447 ...that influenced me toward an unbigoted view of the world. 433 00:25:25,018 --> 00:25:27,543 ANNOUNCER [ON RADIO]: Certain that Jimmy Olsen and Perry White... 434 00:25:27,721 --> 00:25:29,154 were in the hands of hate-mongers... 435 00:25:29,322 --> 00:25:31,620 ...and terrorists known as The Clan of the Fiery Cross... 436 00:25:31,791 --> 00:25:33,452 ...Clark Kent tracked down a boy... 437 00:25:33,626 --> 00:25:36,254 ...he believed knew the identity of the hooded bigots. 438 00:25:36,429 --> 00:25:40,331 DONENFELD: The Anti-Defamation League had an operative in the KKK. 439 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:45,096 And every day, he would call us and give us the code word for the KKK. 440 00:25:45,271 --> 00:25:50,265 And we would reveal it on Superman. And we drove the KKK crazy. 441 00:25:51,144 --> 00:25:54,170 NARRATOR: In all, more than 2000 episodes air. 442 00:25:54,347 --> 00:25:55,507 [CROWD CHATTERING] 443 00:25:55,682 --> 00:25:57,809 MAN 1: Up in the sky, look. GIRL: It's a bird. 444 00:25:57,984 --> 00:26:01,044 MAN 2: It's a plane. MAN 3: It's Superman. 445 00:26:01,221 --> 00:26:02,848 NARRATOR: Soon after his radio premiere... 446 00:26:03,022 --> 00:26:07,322 ...DC gives audiences their first glimpse of Superman in action. 447 00:26:09,462 --> 00:26:13,626 Max Fleischer Studios, famous for their Betty Boop and Popeye cartoons... 448 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,893 ...adapts the hero's adventures. 449 00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,139 KIDD: The Fleischers didn't wanna do it. 450 00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:28,872 They made up this insane figure for Paramount... 451 00:26:29,047 --> 00:26:31,515 ...so they would just have an excuse to not do it. 452 00:26:31,683 --> 00:26:34,174 And Paramount said, "Okay." 453 00:26:36,054 --> 00:26:38,579 But you see every penny. 454 00:26:39,191 --> 00:26:43,093 ANNOUNCER: The infant of Krypton is now the Man of Steel, Superman. 455 00:26:44,530 --> 00:26:46,122 WAID: They were ambitious beyond belief. 456 00:26:46,298 --> 00:26:48,766 They got what they paid for. It looked phenomenal. 457 00:26:48,934 --> 00:26:51,232 The Superman of that era, he doesn't say much. 458 00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:54,065 Just rolls up his sleeve when there's a problem and says: 459 00:26:54,239 --> 00:26:57,208 CLARK: This looks like a job for Superman. 460 00:26:57,543 --> 00:26:59,875 WAID: And then goes out there and kicks ass. 461 00:27:00,579 --> 00:27:03,013 KIDD: I think the Fleischer Superman cartoons... 462 00:27:03,182 --> 00:27:07,278 ...are like a pinnacle of cinematic achievement in the 20th century. 463 00:27:07,453 --> 00:27:09,785 I'm sure people would laugh at me for saying that. 464 00:27:09,955 --> 00:27:14,824 But they're like beautiful little poems that I never get tired of hearing. 465 00:27:27,206 --> 00:27:32,234 NEWSCASTER: December 7th, 1941... 466 00:27:32,811 --> 00:27:37,475 ...a date which will live in infamy. 467 00:27:37,649 --> 00:27:39,708 NARRATOR: When America enters World War II... 468 00:27:39,885 --> 00:27:42,046 ...DC writers, artists and editors... 469 00:27:42,454 --> 00:27:46,049 ...immigrants and sons of immigrants, answer the call. 470 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,793 The comics brim with their patriotism. 471 00:27:49,962 --> 00:27:52,829 JONES: Suddenly, they were in there, helping us fight the war. 472 00:27:52,998 --> 00:27:54,192 Really, characters like... 473 00:27:54,366 --> 00:27:58,234 Well, especially Wonder Woman, with her star-spangled bloomers... 474 00:27:58,403 --> 00:28:00,462 ...were perfect for that kind of context. 475 00:28:00,639 --> 00:28:02,539 NARRATOR: The Justice Society of America... 476 00:28:03,075 --> 00:28:06,272 ...the first superhero team and the club every kid wants to join... 477 00:28:06,445 --> 00:28:09,209 ...dives into World War II headlong. 478 00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:12,782 Batman and Robin deliver guns to soldiers on the front line. 479 00:28:12,951 --> 00:28:17,911 Wonder Woman uses the heads of Hitler, Hirohito and Mussolini as bowling pins. 480 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:22,048 KUBERT: We were in a war. The Army and the Navy were involved. 481 00:28:22,227 --> 00:28:27,255 Boys and sons and daughters and fathers were all involved in this. 482 00:28:27,432 --> 00:28:29,923 And so putting the superhero into these stories... 483 00:28:30,102 --> 00:28:33,037 ...meant we would be saving, not the world, but saving our own. 484 00:28:33,438 --> 00:28:35,633 NARRATOR: Superman supports the war effort back home... 485 00:28:35,807 --> 00:28:38,036 ...rousing Americans to grow victory gardens... 486 00:28:38,943 --> 00:28:42,606 ...buy war bonds and recycle scrap, including comics. 487 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:46,079 The moment you put him in Nazi Germany, you know, war is over. 488 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:50,016 In fact, Look magazine did a piece with Siegel and Shuster early on. 489 00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:52,815 The question was, "How would Superman end the war?" 490 00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:57,654 And the answer was, he flies over, he grabs Hitler by the scruff of the neck. 491 00:28:57,828 --> 00:29:00,991 He flies to Russia, grabs Stalin, takes them before the World Court. 492 00:29:01,165 --> 00:29:02,928 And that's two pages, by the way. 493 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,127 So, Superman could have ended the war in apparently 14 panels of comics. 494 00:29:07,872 --> 00:29:10,636 CARLIN: You can't have Superman stop the war. 495 00:29:11,008 --> 00:29:14,603 Because there is no Superman to stop the war in reality. 496 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,479 NARRATOR: And Superman's creators don't wish to disrespect... 497 00:29:17,648 --> 00:29:20,674 ...the struggles of real-life fighting men and women. 498 00:29:21,752 --> 00:29:26,155 Many of the brightest talents in comics join their superheroes in the fight... 499 00:29:26,324 --> 00:29:28,690 ...like The Spirit creator, Will Eisner... 500 00:29:28,859 --> 00:29:30,656 ...publishers like Irwin Donenfeld... 501 00:29:30,828 --> 00:29:34,320 ...artists like Sheldon Moldoff and Irwin Hasen... 502 00:29:34,498 --> 00:29:36,989 ...and writers like Jerry Siegel. 503 00:29:37,735 --> 00:29:41,603 Many enlist. Not all of them come back. 504 00:29:42,873 --> 00:29:44,898 WAID: Bert Christman was a young illustrator who... 505 00:29:45,076 --> 00:29:46,600 ...with Gardner Fox, created Sandman. 506 00:29:46,777 --> 00:29:49,575 But his real love was flying. His real love was adventure. 507 00:29:49,747 --> 00:29:52,716 So he joined the Flying Tigers in World War II... 508 00:29:52,883 --> 00:29:56,182 ...and tragically was shot down over Burma in the line of service. 509 00:30:00,224 --> 00:30:03,557 NARRATOR: Comic books are wildly popular among fighting men and women. 510 00:30:03,728 --> 00:30:06,595 Millions are shipped overseas to boost morale. 511 00:30:06,764 --> 00:30:11,895 Over 30 percent of all printed material shipped to military bases are comic books. 512 00:30:12,069 --> 00:30:17,006 LOUISE: I'm sure it took them places that they just needed to go. 513 00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:19,240 After they came back from the war... 514 00:30:19,410 --> 00:30:24,245 ...they associated comics with the war experience. 515 00:30:24,415 --> 00:30:26,679 And the sales in comics dropped. 516 00:30:26,851 --> 00:30:28,682 WAID: You know, the war's over and suddenly... 517 00:30:28,853 --> 00:30:32,084 ...with the Nazi scourge out of our hair, there's this giant void. 518 00:30:32,256 --> 00:30:35,851 You can't just go back to fighting bank robbers at that point. 519 00:30:36,027 --> 00:30:39,292 The DC characters had all this might and all this energy... 520 00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:41,556 ...and they didn't quite know where to put it. 521 00:30:41,732 --> 00:30:42,790 In the early '50s... 522 00:30:42,967 --> 00:30:46,333 ...the only characters to survive were Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. 523 00:30:46,503 --> 00:30:50,269 A couple third-string characters survived by being in the backs of these books. 524 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,432 That's it. That's your whole list of ongoing characters... 525 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:57,011 ...that survived from the Golden Age into the 1950s. 526 00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:02,277 LOUISE: Women were forced out of careers that they had had back into the home... 527 00:31:02,452 --> 00:31:05,546 ...because the soldiers were coming back and wanted their jobs back. 528 00:31:05,722 --> 00:31:07,519 Again, a whole societal shift. 529 00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:13,027 And at that point, Wonder Woman's role shifted as well. 530 00:31:13,196 --> 00:31:19,135 She went from being the fighter to worrying more about her boyfriend. 531 00:31:19,302 --> 00:31:21,031 Wonder Woman's progress, in a way... 532 00:31:21,204 --> 00:31:25,607 ...reflects the place that society wants women to be at that point. 533 00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:30,613 NARRATOR: In the late 1940s, superheroes all but disappear from the comic pages. 534 00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:34,780 And Westerns, romance, crime fiction... 535 00:31:34,951 --> 00:31:38,148 ...and child-friendly titles emerge in their place. 536 00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:44,217 The only new superhero comic of the era, Superboy, reflects the demographic shift. 537 00:31:44,394 --> 00:31:46,658 With comic-book superheroes on the decline... 538 00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:51,233 ...DC follows their audience to a new medium, television. 539 00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:59,232 Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, I've made Metropolis my headquarters. 540 00:31:59,409 --> 00:32:02,845 And I've done my best to give you a clean, healthy city. 541 00:32:04,647 --> 00:32:05,671 [GUNFIRE] 542 00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:08,447 [AIR WHOOSHES] 543 00:32:12,255 --> 00:32:16,692 WOLFMAN: Back then, there wasn't anything like it. And it's just fascinating. 544 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:21,354 This great heroic character also pretends to be an ordinary person. 545 00:32:21,531 --> 00:32:24,466 My God, that's wish fulfillment. That's pure wish fulfillment. 546 00:32:24,634 --> 00:32:28,001 If you can take off your glasses, you can become Superman. 547 00:32:28,171 --> 00:32:30,298 If you wear that cape, you can become Superman. 548 00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:33,735 NARRATOR: But Superman, as played by George Reeves... 549 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,538 ...is more than just wish fulfillment. 550 00:32:36,713 --> 00:32:39,113 He offers TV audiences a model of themselves... 551 00:32:39,282 --> 00:32:42,513 ...as useful contributors to a polite and peaceful society. 552 00:32:42,685 --> 00:32:45,813 Men like you make it difficult for people to understand one another. 553 00:32:45,989 --> 00:32:48,685 You were warned nothing would come of this but trouble. 554 00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:52,360 NARRATOR: But not everybody shares that interest in the status quo. 555 00:32:55,063 --> 00:32:57,691 Our young people are getting out of hand everywhere. 556 00:32:57,866 --> 00:32:59,197 Well, I know, Mrs. Robinson. 557 00:32:59,368 --> 00:33:04,135 Every report I get from the field tells me how enormous the problem is. 558 00:33:04,306 --> 00:33:06,399 NARRATOR: And while DC's comics are becoming safer... 559 00:33:06,575 --> 00:33:09,510 ...other publishers are emerging at the edges... 560 00:33:09,678 --> 00:33:12,078 ...with titles like Dark Mysteries... 561 00:33:12,247 --> 00:33:13,737 ...Out of the Shadows... 562 00:33:13,916 --> 00:33:16,009 ...Crime, Horror and Terror. 563 00:33:16,185 --> 00:33:18,483 WAID: Just dripping with horror and irony... 564 00:33:18,654 --> 00:33:21,487 ...and they did not go over well with America's parents. 565 00:33:21,657 --> 00:33:24,387 NARRATOR: The public becomes galvanized around the publication... 566 00:33:24,593 --> 00:33:27,858 ...of Seduction of the Innocent by psychiatrist Fredric Wertham... 567 00:33:28,030 --> 00:33:30,760 ...where Wertham asserts that children who read comics... 568 00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:33,060 ...grow up to be juvenile delinquents. 569 00:33:33,435 --> 00:33:35,699 And DC is not exempt from his brush. 570 00:33:35,871 --> 00:33:39,170 To Wertham, Superman is a fascist un-American... 571 00:33:39,341 --> 00:33:41,775 ...and Wonder Woman is a poor role model for girls... 572 00:33:41,944 --> 00:33:45,436 ...because she emphasizes power and independence over nurturance. 573 00:33:45,614 --> 00:33:47,605 WAID: Of course, most damning, he's decided that... 574 00:33:47,783 --> 00:33:49,648 ...because Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson... 575 00:33:49,818 --> 00:33:52,616 ...are two men unchaperoned who share a house together... 576 00:33:52,788 --> 00:33:56,690 ...that they must be homosexuals, because it's right there on paper. 577 00:33:56,859 --> 00:33:59,191 This, of course, is absurd... 578 00:33:59,361 --> 00:34:02,387 ...but all across the nation, parents are up in arms. 579 00:34:02,564 --> 00:34:05,624 They're having bonfires, burning comics publicly. 580 00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:07,826 They're telling children to give them away. 581 00:34:08,003 --> 00:34:10,733 ADAMS: Parents, when I grew up, said to their kids: 582 00:34:10,906 --> 00:34:14,034 "Don't bring a comic book into this house." 583 00:34:14,209 --> 00:34:18,612 The same houses that kids brought comic books into all the time. 584 00:34:19,781 --> 00:34:21,772 It was a cultural revolution. 585 00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:23,713 A very bad cultural revolution... 586 00:34:23,886 --> 00:34:26,446 ...but it was nonetheless a cultural revolution. 587 00:34:26,622 --> 00:34:31,491 So they actually had hearings on comic books. 588 00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:36,290 Comic books are an important contributing factor... 589 00:34:36,465 --> 00:34:39,491 ...in many cases of juvenile delinquency. 590 00:34:39,668 --> 00:34:41,568 My name is William Gaines. 591 00:34:41,737 --> 00:34:45,366 I was the first publisher in these United States to publish horror comics. 592 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:48,168 I'm responsible. I started them. 593 00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:52,507 NARRATOR: Bill Gaines, son of DC Comics pioneer Max Gaines... 594 00:34:52,681 --> 00:34:56,947 ...is the only person who testifies on behalf of the comic-book industry. 595 00:34:57,585 --> 00:34:59,678 A horror-book publisher at EC Comics... 596 00:34:59,854 --> 00:35:03,950 ...Gaines would go on to publish the widely imitated MAD... 597 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:08,289 ...which later went on to become DC and the nation's most popular humor title. 598 00:35:09,196 --> 00:35:14,793 It became successful with issue four when we lampooned Superman. 599 00:35:14,969 --> 00:35:17,267 We ran a feature called "Superduperman." 600 00:35:17,438 --> 00:35:18,632 That's hilarious. 601 00:35:18,806 --> 00:35:22,503 Uh, it was then. Ha-ha-ha. You had to be there. 602 00:35:22,677 --> 00:35:24,076 He was a very courageous man. 603 00:35:24,245 --> 00:35:26,975 Unfortunately, his courage sort of exceeded his... 604 00:35:27,148 --> 00:35:31,209 You know, his eloquence. Not intending to, but he came off as glib... 605 00:35:31,385 --> 00:35:34,479 ...and sort of weaselly and nervous, which was not fair. 606 00:35:34,655 --> 00:35:36,919 But he came off like Nixon during the debates. 607 00:35:37,091 --> 00:35:40,527 Attorney presents him with a cover showing a severed head held in a hand. 608 00:35:40,695 --> 00:35:43,687 - Do you think that's in good taste? GAINES: Yes, sir, I do. 609 00:35:43,864 --> 00:35:46,389 For the cover of a horror comic. 610 00:35:46,734 --> 00:35:49,635 WAID: Almost single-handedly sank the whole ship, God bless him. 611 00:35:50,671 --> 00:35:54,198 NARRATOR: The hearings are a major blow for the comic-book industry. 612 00:35:54,375 --> 00:35:58,368 And many smaller companies, including Bill Gaines', fold. 613 00:35:58,546 --> 00:36:00,411 This is the way the public wants it. 614 00:36:00,581 --> 00:36:02,913 The way it'll have to be, as far as I'm concerned. 615 00:36:03,217 --> 00:36:04,616 NARRATOR: In an effort to survive... 616 00:36:04,785 --> 00:36:06,844 ...DC comes together with the remaining publishers... 617 00:36:07,021 --> 00:36:10,855 ...to form a self-censoring body, the Comics Code Authority. 618 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,493 At that time, comic books were so attacked for the material that they were doing. 619 00:36:16,664 --> 00:36:19,724 If that Comic Code emblem was not on the book... 620 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,095 ...the book did not get distributed. 621 00:36:22,269 --> 00:36:26,296 These guys were decent family men. 622 00:36:26,474 --> 00:36:30,774 And suddenly, somebody had told them, "You're pernicious. You're evil." 623 00:36:30,945 --> 00:36:35,848 Then they had to stunt whatever artistic growth might have happened. 624 00:36:36,017 --> 00:36:41,455 The worst censorship is self-censorship. They erred on the side of caution. 625 00:36:41,622 --> 00:36:44,557 ADAMS: They had comic books like My Greatest Adventure. 626 00:36:44,725 --> 00:36:47,694 My favorite, Pat Boone Comics. 627 00:36:47,862 --> 00:36:51,093 Pat Boone and his family. Isn't that nice? 628 00:36:51,265 --> 00:36:54,860 Oh, I was just, um, reading through this comic book. 629 00:36:55,036 --> 00:36:58,904 - Were you reading a good story? - No. 630 00:36:59,073 --> 00:37:03,942 WAID: The characters that began as rebellious agents against the status quo... 631 00:37:04,111 --> 00:37:08,672 ...now in the 1950s, fall into that envelope of conservative America... 632 00:37:08,848 --> 00:37:11,214 ...as policemen for the status quo. 633 00:37:11,384 --> 00:37:16,048 Batman would walk down Gotham's equivalent of Fifth Avenue... 634 00:37:16,222 --> 00:37:18,554 ...and there would be contests that he would judge. 635 00:37:18,725 --> 00:37:22,456 Or there was one, spend the day in the Batcave with the Batman. 636 00:37:22,629 --> 00:37:26,622 NARRATOR: As Batman transforms from vigilante to Gotham City's leading citizen... 637 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,295 ...Superman gets his own makeover... 638 00:37:29,469 --> 00:37:34,202 ...from a rough-and-tumble social crusader to an establishment figure. 639 00:37:34,541 --> 00:37:36,941 And things aren't much better for Lois Lane. 640 00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:41,774 This tenacious reporter gets to the '50s... 641 00:37:41,948 --> 00:37:45,679 ...and suddenly, she's not the tenacious reporter anymore. 642 00:37:45,852 --> 00:37:48,150 Her real focus is: 643 00:37:48,321 --> 00:37:52,257 "Is Clark Kent really Superman, whom I love dearly?" 644 00:37:52,692 --> 00:37:57,561 Even as a child, I was annoyed by how Lois was portrayed. 645 00:37:57,730 --> 00:38:00,255 I was annoyed by what she was doing. It aggravated me. 646 00:38:00,433 --> 00:38:02,958 I wasn't so happy with Superman at that point either. 647 00:38:03,136 --> 00:38:07,470 There's a suburban psychedelia that suddenly emerges at that time. 648 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,201 In the '50s, Superman could represent the men who were home from the war... 649 00:38:11,377 --> 00:38:14,141 ...who suddenly had to make suburban lives for themselves... 650 00:38:14,314 --> 00:38:16,043 ...in strange circumstances. 651 00:38:16,216 --> 00:38:19,777 If you look at the Superman comics at those times, he's no longer a reformer. 652 00:38:19,953 --> 00:38:21,147 He's no longer a patriot. 653 00:38:21,321 --> 00:38:26,418 What he is is a dad with woman troubles and relatives from the 31st century... 654 00:38:26,593 --> 00:38:28,686 ...and old friends who come back to pester him. 655 00:38:28,862 --> 00:38:30,887 NARRATOR: With comic books floundering creatively... 656 00:38:31,064 --> 00:38:33,828 ...the whole industry finds itself on the verge of collapse. 657 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,993 An editor said to me, "Kid, I saw your samples." 658 00:38:38,171 --> 00:38:39,502 Said, "They're really good. 659 00:38:39,672 --> 00:38:43,073 I'm gonna do you the biggest favor in the world. I'm gonna turn you down. 660 00:38:43,243 --> 00:38:46,542 There are probably not gonna be comic books in the next year or two." 661 00:38:46,713 --> 00:38:51,844 NARRATOR: Just one year after the Code's implementation, sales plunge by 75 percent. 662 00:38:53,286 --> 00:38:56,585 DC needs a new strategy for the new times. 663 00:38:56,756 --> 00:39:01,250 It looks to reinvent itself in the Silver Age. 664 00:39:02,595 --> 00:39:06,497 Superheroes had been in an eclipse for almost a decade. 665 00:39:06,666 --> 00:39:08,429 SCHWARTZ: We had to come up with new ideas. 666 00:39:08,601 --> 00:39:11,001 Someone at the editorial meeting suggested: 667 00:39:11,171 --> 00:39:13,263 "Say, why don't we put out The Flash again?" 668 00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:17,306 They said, "Good idea. Who's gonna edit The Flash?" 669 00:39:17,476 --> 00:39:18,704 Everyone looked at me. 670 00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:23,210 NARRATOR: Julius Schwartz has been with DC since 1944. 671 00:39:23,382 --> 00:39:28,410 There would not be a comic-book business today if it weren't for Julie Schwartz. 672 00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:32,017 He and his childhood best friend, Mort Weisinger... 673 00:39:32,191 --> 00:39:36,150 ...who for many years edited Superman, were also early science-fiction fans. 674 00:39:36,328 --> 00:39:39,195 They were among the people who founded science-fiction fandom. 675 00:39:39,364 --> 00:39:43,300 They produced the first fanzine for science fiction, called The Time Traveler. 676 00:39:43,468 --> 00:39:44,935 Julie was a curmudgeon. 677 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:47,135 I started writing for him by accident. 678 00:39:47,306 --> 00:39:49,740 Julie came storming into the office and looked at me. 679 00:39:49,908 --> 00:39:51,637 "What the hell are you doing here?" 680 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:54,973 I said, "Uh, I'm waiting to sell Mr. Bridwell a Lois Lane story." 681 00:39:55,147 --> 00:39:57,877 And he literally grabbed me by the scruff of my collar... 682 00:39:58,050 --> 00:40:01,884 ...dragged me out of the guest chair, slammed me down in his own and said: 683 00:40:02,054 --> 00:40:03,646 "No, you're writing The Flash. 684 00:40:03,822 --> 00:40:06,757 You couldn't do a worse job than the son of a bitch I fired." 685 00:40:06,925 --> 00:40:11,692 Julie was just one of those people without whom an industry would not have existed. 686 00:40:11,863 --> 00:40:15,299 SCHWARTZ: I could have continued Flash as it had appeared in the '40s. 687 00:40:15,467 --> 00:40:19,233 Or I could have done a variation, something different. 688 00:40:19,404 --> 00:40:23,033 I had to put out a magazine with a costumed character who was speedy. 689 00:40:23,208 --> 00:40:25,904 And that's all I kept. Everything else, I changed. 690 00:40:26,078 --> 00:40:27,909 Well, the original Flash was stupid. 691 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,312 The old Flash was a guy in a doughboy's helmet with two little wings on it. 692 00:40:32,985 --> 00:40:36,580 And I think he had wings on his boots too. Very strange. 693 00:40:36,755 --> 00:40:40,247 No offense to whoever designed it, it looked silly. 694 00:40:40,425 --> 00:40:44,589 MAN: Observers without goggles must face away from the blast. 695 00:40:44,763 --> 00:40:46,355 WAID: We are in the atomic age now. 696 00:40:46,531 --> 00:40:49,591 You can't get away with saying guys got their powers through magic. 697 00:40:49,768 --> 00:40:51,929 The original Golden Age Flash got his powers... 698 00:40:52,104 --> 00:40:55,073 ...by inhaling the fumes of hard water. 699 00:40:55,274 --> 00:40:56,969 Hard water is ice. 700 00:40:57,142 --> 00:40:58,769 It's not... 701 00:40:59,111 --> 00:41:01,477 You know, kids were hipper than that in the 1950s. 702 00:41:01,647 --> 00:41:04,946 We're in an era where science is gonna solve all our problems. 703 00:41:05,117 --> 00:41:08,678 So this new Flash was Barry Allen, a police scientist... 704 00:41:08,854 --> 00:41:12,153 ...a forensic specialist who was working late in his lab one night... 705 00:41:12,324 --> 00:41:14,724 ...in front of a big bank of chemicals and suddenly, bam... 706 00:41:14,893 --> 00:41:16,588 ...lightning strikes the chemicals... 707 00:41:16,762 --> 00:41:19,389 ...and splashes him with these electrified substances. 708 00:41:19,563 --> 00:41:23,192 And poor Barry gets up and he's dazed and he doesn't know what to do. 709 00:41:23,367 --> 00:41:27,235 He realizes he's late for a date, so he starts running down the street after a cab. 710 00:41:27,405 --> 00:41:29,737 And before he knows it, he overtakes the cab. 711 00:41:30,141 --> 00:41:32,234 This is very strange. He goes to a diner. 712 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:36,005 And he orders some food and the waitress accidentally spills some stuff. 713 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,273 And he sees it falling in slow motion... 714 00:41:38,449 --> 00:41:41,009 ...to the point where he can grab the plates and food... 715 00:41:41,185 --> 00:41:43,585 ...and put everything back where it's meant to be. 716 00:41:43,754 --> 00:41:48,817 So inspired by the comic-book adventures of the Golden Age Flash... 717 00:41:48,993 --> 00:41:51,962 ...he's inspired to don, really, a superhero suit... 718 00:41:52,129 --> 00:41:54,256 ...unlike anything we'd seen in comics before. 719 00:41:54,432 --> 00:41:58,698 It's sleek, it's one piece, red and yellow with a lightning motif. 720 00:41:59,036 --> 00:42:03,598 The response to Flash was gangbusters. They did one issue and it sold out. 721 00:42:03,774 --> 00:42:07,335 The Flash is successful. We revived one of our Golden Age characters. 722 00:42:07,511 --> 00:42:09,536 Hey, Julie. What else you got? 723 00:42:09,714 --> 00:42:12,274 And the Silver Age of comics was on. 724 00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:14,017 SCHWARTZ: I liked the Green Lantern... 725 00:42:14,185 --> 00:42:17,120 ...but once again, I said I'm making a complete change. 726 00:42:17,288 --> 00:42:19,415 To show how things are gonna be different... 727 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:23,788 ...while the Golden Age Green Lantern wore his power ring on the left hand... 728 00:42:23,961 --> 00:42:25,553 ...I'm gonna put it on the right. 729 00:42:26,831 --> 00:42:31,200 NARRATOR: Green Lantern is reborn as Hal Jordan, ace test pilot. 730 00:42:31,369 --> 00:42:35,203 A comic-book Chuck Yeager rocketing into the jet age. 731 00:42:35,373 --> 00:42:38,171 With the ring of power conferred to him by a dying alien... 732 00:42:38,342 --> 00:42:41,038 ...he becomes a model space patrolman. 733 00:42:41,212 --> 00:42:42,941 SCHWARTZ: The only thing I kept was the oath: 734 00:42:43,114 --> 00:42:47,949 "In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight. 735 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:53,279 Let those who worship evil's might beware my power, Green Lantern's light." 736 00:42:53,457 --> 00:42:57,154 I remember that so well, I still love to say it. 737 00:42:58,329 --> 00:43:01,230 NARRATOR: Under Julie Schwartz, dozens of characters are reborn... 738 00:43:01,399 --> 00:43:03,128 ...and given science-fiction origins. 739 00:43:04,101 --> 00:43:06,467 And even more new heroes are created. 740 00:43:06,637 --> 00:43:09,128 Here comes Metal Men, Adam Strange... 741 00:43:09,306 --> 00:43:11,934 ...Metamorpho, Teen Titans... 742 00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:14,270 ...and the Challengers of the Unknown. 743 00:43:14,445 --> 00:43:17,710 And once again, the heroes band together to fight... 744 00:43:17,882 --> 00:43:20,009 ...but not as the Justice Society. 745 00:43:20,184 --> 00:43:24,746 I hate the word "society." It sounds like a social club. 746 00:43:24,922 --> 00:43:26,912 I'm gonna use a better word, "league." 747 00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:30,116 There's baseball leagues, football leagues. 748 00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:34,627 Youngsters identify with leagues. Societies, they know from nothing. 749 00:43:34,798 --> 00:43:37,631 And when that came out, boom, boom, boom... 750 00:43:37,801 --> 00:43:39,860 ...it rocketed into space. 751 00:43:40,036 --> 00:43:44,769 Julie revived the characters, created the Silver Age of comics. 752 00:43:44,941 --> 00:43:47,341 His revival of the Justice League... 753 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:50,445 ...very directly led to the formation of Marvel Comics. 754 00:43:51,147 --> 00:43:53,138 NARRATOR: Marvel Comics publisher Martin Goodman... 755 00:43:53,316 --> 00:43:56,251 ...and DC's Jack Liebowitz play golf together. 756 00:43:56,419 --> 00:43:59,320 So Jack Liebowitz kept boasting to Martin Goodman: 757 00:43:59,489 --> 00:44:01,514 "Hey, we have a big hit on our hands." 758 00:44:01,691 --> 00:44:05,320 Martin came back from the golf game, talked to Stan Lee, his editor, and said: 759 00:44:05,495 --> 00:44:09,363 "DC's got this really good-selling book called, uh, Justice something. 760 00:44:09,532 --> 00:44:11,159 You gotta do something like that." 761 00:44:11,601 --> 00:44:14,536 SCHWARTZ: And Stan Lee, the nerve of that guy, puts out a magazine... 762 00:44:14,704 --> 00:44:18,333 ...called The Fantastic Four. It proved to be a big hit. 763 00:44:18,508 --> 00:44:23,571 So in a sense, I not only saved DC Comics, I saved Marvel Comics too. 764 00:44:24,781 --> 00:44:28,148 NARRATOR: While Julie set about reinventing forgotten superheroes... 765 00:44:28,318 --> 00:44:32,516 ...his childhood friend takes editorial control of Superman. 766 00:44:32,822 --> 00:44:35,416 Mort Weisinger has the reputation of being... 767 00:44:35,592 --> 00:44:38,493 ...perhaps the grumpiest editor in comic books. 768 00:44:38,661 --> 00:44:41,858 One day, I said, "Look, you're really mean to people." 769 00:44:42,031 --> 00:44:44,261 And he said, "Imagine you're me. 770 00:44:44,434 --> 00:44:47,335 You get up in the morning, and you look at this face. 771 00:44:47,504 --> 00:44:49,369 How would you feel?" 772 00:44:53,943 --> 00:44:55,274 Mort was kind of a toad. 773 00:44:55,445 --> 00:44:57,709 And I say this in the friendliest possible way... 774 00:44:57,881 --> 00:45:00,748 ...but he just wasn't attractive. 775 00:45:01,217 --> 00:45:02,912 On the other hand, he was smart. 776 00:45:03,086 --> 00:45:05,850 JONES: When he really took command of Superman in the late '50s... 777 00:45:06,022 --> 00:45:09,753 ...he created this strange world of cats and dogs and horses... 778 00:45:09,926 --> 00:45:12,793 ...that were actually humans that had been transformed. 779 00:45:12,962 --> 00:45:15,294 He made it kind of like a big playground. 780 00:45:15,665 --> 00:45:19,226 NARRATOR: Weisinger also oversees the expansion of the Superman family. 781 00:45:19,736 --> 00:45:21,897 And the introduction of Supergirl. 782 00:45:22,071 --> 00:45:24,403 WALTER: I actually had a copy of the first Supergirl. 783 00:45:24,574 --> 00:45:28,601 I remember thinking, "Gotta be some trick in this story. 784 00:45:28,778 --> 00:45:32,179 There won't really be a Supergirl. It'd be like an alien or..." 785 00:45:32,348 --> 00:45:35,475 And then I read the comic. "Oh, my goodness. It's really Supergirl. 786 00:45:35,651 --> 00:45:37,118 It's really, like, his cousin." 787 00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:40,944 NARRATOR: DC wants to bring the Superman magic to Batman. 788 00:45:41,123 --> 00:45:45,526 These real crazy flights of fancy created all these amazing villains... 789 00:45:45,694 --> 00:45:49,721 ...which are now super creepy because they're so weird. 790 00:45:52,634 --> 00:45:55,068 WAID: Bat-Hounds and Batwoman and Batgirl... 791 00:45:55,237 --> 00:45:59,333 ...and all these sort of spin-off things that worked well in the Superman universe... 792 00:45:59,508 --> 00:46:02,136 ...in the Batman universe, very quickly drove them down. 793 00:46:02,311 --> 00:46:04,609 The books were about to be canceled in the 1960s. 794 00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:07,908 At that point, sales were so anemic... 795 00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:10,847 ...that they were just gonna stop it. 796 00:46:12,588 --> 00:46:16,854 Luckily, a TV producer was looking for something big and splashy... 797 00:46:17,025 --> 00:46:19,858 ...to put on TV screens, and Batman fit the bill. 798 00:46:20,662 --> 00:46:23,392 NARRATOR: The camp and self-aware take on the caped crusader... 799 00:46:23,565 --> 00:46:26,864 ...makes stars out of Adam West and Burt Ward. 800 00:46:28,503 --> 00:46:30,095 LEE: I took it seriously as a kid. 801 00:46:30,272 --> 00:46:32,968 I didn't know that that stuff was supposed to be satirical. 802 00:46:33,141 --> 00:46:35,837 I mean, it seemed riveting and dramatic to me. 803 00:46:36,211 --> 00:46:38,702 WAID: It was an overnight sensation. 804 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,815 Batmania swept the nation. It was enormous. 805 00:46:41,984 --> 00:46:43,713 Batman was everywhere. 806 00:46:44,386 --> 00:46:46,149 KIDD: They started making all this stuff. 807 00:46:46,722 --> 00:46:50,954 The licensing for the Batman TV show was unprecedented. 808 00:46:51,493 --> 00:46:53,552 NARRATOR: As the '60s draws to a close... 809 00:46:53,729 --> 00:46:57,790 ...both the quaintness of DC's heroes and the high camp of Batman... 810 00:46:57,966 --> 00:47:03,404 ...begin to feel out of touch in the midst of race riots and draft-card burnings. 811 00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:10,402 McDUFFIE: DC Comics was still sort of stuck in the '50s. 812 00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:14,037 Nobody really had personalities or opinions. 813 00:47:14,216 --> 00:47:17,674 Everybody kind of liked each other. They were all hail-fellow-well-met. 814 00:47:17,853 --> 00:47:20,048 Justice League was kind of the Kiwanis Club. 815 00:47:20,222 --> 00:47:22,156 And Wonder Woman was their secretary. 816 00:47:22,658 --> 00:47:24,717 JONES: Teenagers had pretty much abandoned comics... 817 00:47:24,893 --> 00:47:27,259 ...after the censorship battles of the mid '50s. 818 00:47:27,429 --> 00:47:28,896 Marvel is bringing them back... 819 00:47:29,064 --> 00:47:35,401 ...with these much more sort of relevant, restive, challenging superheroes. 820 00:47:35,570 --> 00:47:39,233 WOLFMAN: One company was doing things that the readers actually did want to see... 821 00:47:39,408 --> 00:47:43,036 ...and the other company was floundering. 822 00:47:44,578 --> 00:47:47,843 NARRATOR: It falls to a new generation to make DC Comics... 823 00:47:48,015 --> 00:47:53,112 ...in the slang of the time, hip in the Bronze Age. 824 00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:57,917 LEVITZ: The first generation of editors are largely fading out of the business. 825 00:47:58,092 --> 00:48:03,120 Companies aren't sure what to do next. There's no Donenfeld on the floor anymore. 826 00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:05,390 That creates a moment of opportunity. 827 00:48:05,733 --> 00:48:07,826 NARRATOR: In the late '60s, DC and Warner Bros... 828 00:48:08,002 --> 00:48:10,232 ...become a part of the same corporation. 829 00:48:10,404 --> 00:48:13,840 Ironically, that newly corporate DC brings in a whole new wave... 830 00:48:14,008 --> 00:48:19,878 ...of anti-establishment writers and artists, like Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil. 831 00:48:20,047 --> 00:48:24,381 Denny started as a reporter and I was, um, an asshole. 832 00:48:24,852 --> 00:48:27,252 We both grew up at the time that we grew up... 833 00:48:27,421 --> 00:48:30,185 ...and we were very angry at society... 834 00:48:30,357 --> 00:48:34,589 ...but not angry in a way like we're picking irrational things to be angry at. 835 00:48:34,762 --> 00:48:36,593 There's a lot of bad stuff going on. 836 00:48:37,832 --> 00:48:40,596 O'NEIL: This was a shirt-and-tie business back then. 837 00:48:40,801 --> 00:48:46,171 My hair was all over the place and I wasn't wearing a suit or tie anymore, Lord knows. 838 00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:49,776 I was not an authority-loving kind of guy. 839 00:48:49,944 --> 00:48:53,345 Ha, ha, the ruination of the business was my generation. 840 00:48:53,514 --> 00:48:56,210 We were happy if we were wearing socks that particular day. 841 00:48:56,383 --> 00:49:00,820 Hippies. Guys whose hair was longer than their careers. 842 00:49:00,988 --> 00:49:03,752 We'd work Friday night at the office till 1 in the morning. 843 00:49:03,924 --> 00:49:07,860 Until one Friday, where we decided to play hide and seek. 844 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,360 Tackle hide and seek, because we were idiots. 845 00:49:10,531 --> 00:49:14,194 At one point, Neal saw me and tackled me and we went through one of the cubicles. 846 00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:15,858 Put a me-and-Neal-shaped hole in the wall. 847 00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:17,867 - Now, we see we have radar. - Yeah. 848 00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,165 What happens if the rockets start appearing? 849 00:49:20,341 --> 00:49:24,038 WAID: The real clash of counterculture started not in the books, but in the offices. 850 00:49:24,211 --> 00:49:27,009 I don't know what weird hippies were doing in the hallways... 851 00:49:27,181 --> 00:49:29,843 ...but they're doing something right. Long-haired freaks. 852 00:49:30,017 --> 00:49:34,886 We're also the first generation that got into comics who wanted to be in comic books. 853 00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:38,456 We're the first generation who grew up with the comics... 854 00:49:38,626 --> 00:49:41,151 ...who said, "This is what we want to do." 855 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:44,687 KIDD: There was an artist named Neal Adams... 856 00:49:44,865 --> 00:49:46,492 ...and you had the writer, Denny O'Neil. 857 00:49:46,667 --> 00:49:52,696 And what they started to do were stories that were much more naturalistic... 858 00:49:52,872 --> 00:49:55,670 ...and not "funny." 859 00:49:55,842 --> 00:49:57,673 NARRATOR: Denny and Neal seek out a platform... 860 00:49:57,844 --> 00:49:59,471 ...where they can express themselves. 861 00:49:59,646 --> 00:50:02,911 Not only artistically, but politically. 862 00:50:03,483 --> 00:50:08,250 Throughout the Silver Age, Green Lantern had been off fighting crime in outer space. 863 00:50:08,855 --> 00:50:12,052 I thought of him as a cop, but the best cop who ever lived. 864 00:50:12,225 --> 00:50:14,819 A really competent, decent man. 865 00:50:15,295 --> 00:50:20,494 But one who thought his job was to carry out orders. 866 00:50:21,301 --> 00:50:26,830 NARRATOR: And in one issue, Denny and Neal bring him crashing down to earth. 867 00:50:27,006 --> 00:50:32,444 O'NEIL: And we needed somebody to articulate the non-establishment viewpoint. 868 00:50:32,612 --> 00:50:34,705 And we had this rebel, Green Arrow... 869 00:50:34,881 --> 00:50:38,647 ...this arrow-slinging guy who didn't trust anybody over 30. 870 00:50:38,818 --> 00:50:42,117 In fact, didn't probably trust anybody wearing a necktie. 871 00:50:42,288 --> 00:50:46,691 Not all these characters were invented when there was thought going into... 872 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:48,953 ...who they are behind the mask and powers. 873 00:50:49,128 --> 00:50:50,891 Green Arrow was one of those characters. 874 00:50:51,064 --> 00:50:53,658 As soon as they took him and pushed him in this direction... 875 00:50:53,833 --> 00:50:56,165 ...not only did it make sense, it was very unique. 876 00:50:56,336 --> 00:50:59,863 It was something that was, I think, desperately needed in the DC Universe... 877 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,199 ...and comics in general. 878 00:51:01,741 --> 00:51:06,371 ADAMS: First six pages of that story are significantly important in comic books... 879 00:51:06,546 --> 00:51:08,480 ...in that they broke so many rules. 880 00:51:08,648 --> 00:51:12,243 It got into black versus white. It got into integration. 881 00:51:12,418 --> 00:51:14,386 It got into rich versus poor. 882 00:51:14,554 --> 00:51:19,048 This man was emptying tenements of people who couldn't pay their rent. 883 00:51:19,225 --> 00:51:22,092 And a young man was attacking him on the street. 884 00:51:22,262 --> 00:51:24,423 Not really doing much to him, just shoving him. 885 00:51:24,597 --> 00:51:28,294 Why? Didn't matter why to Green Lantern. 886 00:51:28,468 --> 00:51:31,494 Green Lantern beat him up and sent him off to jail. 887 00:51:31,671 --> 00:51:33,969 And then Green Arrow watched the neighborhood... 888 00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,940 ...throw garbage on Green Lantern and then explained to him why. 889 00:51:38,111 --> 00:51:39,510 "See that old lady over there? 890 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:43,445 That young man that you just put in jail is her only source of income. 891 00:51:43,616 --> 00:51:46,983 And when that fat pig downstairs throws everybody out of this building... 892 00:51:47,153 --> 00:51:48,882 ...they won't have a place to live... 893 00:51:49,055 --> 00:51:52,183 ...and he's gonna level it and turn it into a supermarket. 894 00:51:52,358 --> 00:51:53,916 And that's what you did today." 895 00:51:54,092 --> 00:51:58,085 Page six, an old black man turns to Green Lantern and he says: 896 00:51:58,263 --> 00:52:03,200 "You've done lots of things for people on another planet out there with purple skins. 897 00:52:03,368 --> 00:52:06,826 Have you ever done anything for people with black skins?" 898 00:52:07,005 --> 00:52:10,338 "You're doing all that stuff for the extraterrestrials. 899 00:52:10,509 --> 00:52:13,478 You're not dealing with problems right under your feet." 900 00:52:13,845 --> 00:52:15,073 ADAMS: Not only Green Lantern... 901 00:52:15,247 --> 00:52:20,708 ...but every American you could scratch had not done anything for their brothers. 902 00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,587 That was a time of change. Remember the '60s. 903 00:52:23,755 --> 00:52:25,450 Big changes in America. 904 00:52:25,624 --> 00:52:29,116 And that was right there in that comic book, bam, right in your face. 905 00:52:30,062 --> 00:52:33,395 NARRATOR: Green Lantern and Green Arrow embark on a quest across America... 906 00:52:33,565 --> 00:52:35,556 ...confronting real-world problems. 907 00:52:35,734 --> 00:52:40,637 They discover racism, government corruption, labor strife... 908 00:52:40,806 --> 00:52:42,933 ...overpopulation and poverty. 909 00:52:43,108 --> 00:52:46,407 It forced Green Lantern and, through him, the readers... 910 00:52:46,578 --> 00:52:49,012 ...to look at America as it really was at that time. 911 00:52:50,048 --> 00:52:52,278 NARRATOR: Denny and Neal grow the Green Lantern family... 912 00:52:52,451 --> 00:52:54,146 ...to include John Stewart... 913 00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:59,416 ...DC's first African American superhero without the word "black" in his name. 914 00:52:59,591 --> 00:53:01,752 ADAMS: We practically destroyed the Comics Code. 915 00:53:01,927 --> 00:53:04,987 We attacked Nixon and Agnew in our comic-book pages. 916 00:53:05,297 --> 00:53:07,765 Governor of Florida wrote a letter to DC Comics. 917 00:53:07,933 --> 00:53:10,595 Said they weren't gonna distribute DC Comics in Florida... 918 00:53:10,769 --> 00:53:12,669 ...if we do one more thing like that. 919 00:53:13,071 --> 00:53:14,800 NARRATOR: Under the Comics Code Authority... 920 00:53:14,973 --> 00:53:18,636 ...one of the biggest taboos is depiction of drug use. 921 00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:20,141 ADAMS: I drew a cover. 922 00:53:20,312 --> 00:53:24,248 Speedy, Green Arrow's ward, was in the foreground... 923 00:53:24,416 --> 00:53:29,183 ...with bags under his eyes and the fixings for a heroine injection. 924 00:53:29,354 --> 00:53:33,552 And in the background is Green Arrow looking on in shock... 925 00:53:33,725 --> 00:53:36,023 ...and Green Lantern turning to him and saying: 926 00:53:36,194 --> 00:53:42,133 "So you're such a big deal. How come your ward is a drug addict?" 927 00:53:44,536 --> 00:53:45,833 Cover. 928 00:53:46,004 --> 00:53:47,062 [LAUGHS] 929 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,038 Took it in to DC, gave it to Julie Schwartz and I said, "This should be our next issue." 930 00:53:53,211 --> 00:53:55,406 And Julie said, "Gah!" 931 00:53:55,914 --> 00:53:59,873 We undid 15, 20 years of lousy Comics Code. 932 00:54:00,052 --> 00:54:03,487 DC became the company that brought new artists in. 933 00:54:03,654 --> 00:54:06,623 So you got a tremendous amount of experimenting. 934 00:54:06,791 --> 00:54:09,453 You got a new generation of comic-book artists. 935 00:54:09,627 --> 00:54:11,891 WAID: These are all guys who saw... 936 00:54:12,063 --> 00:54:15,294 ...that comics didn't have to made by stodgy, old white guys. 937 00:54:15,466 --> 00:54:19,232 You know, they should be a reflection of the times. 938 00:54:20,104 --> 00:54:24,040 I read everything, but had this special place in my heart... 939 00:54:24,208 --> 00:54:26,233 ...for the DC horror comic line. 940 00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:30,847 The first time I remember falling in love with a writer, it was Len Wein. 941 00:54:31,015 --> 00:54:33,381 I just thought Swamp Thing was beautifully written. 942 00:54:33,551 --> 00:54:36,281 It was special and weird and magical and odd. 943 00:54:36,454 --> 00:54:39,753 And I was in love. And these were my comics. 944 00:54:41,725 --> 00:54:45,786 NARRATOR: As DC's characters change, Wonder Woman, too, sits for a makeover. 945 00:54:45,963 --> 00:54:48,932 Denny O'Neil spearheads her reinvention. 946 00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,558 She loses her star-spangled costume and her powers... 947 00:54:52,736 --> 00:54:57,935 ...and trains as a martial artist under the tutelage of her mentor, I-Ching. 948 00:54:58,109 --> 00:55:03,274 An ordinary woman, but possessed of extraordinary combative powers. 949 00:55:03,447 --> 00:55:06,848 And we put her in ordinary adventures and give her boyfriends. 950 00:55:07,017 --> 00:55:09,042 Boy, did I screw that up. 951 00:55:09,487 --> 00:55:11,853 My thinking, such as it was, was this: 952 00:55:12,022 --> 00:55:15,924 She is a superbeing beholden to a male god. 953 00:55:16,093 --> 00:55:19,654 Let us make her somebody who achieves on her own. 954 00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:25,826 What I did, in effect, was take the feminist icon and depower her, dial her way down. 955 00:55:26,003 --> 00:55:29,666 And then to compound the sin, give her a mentor who is a male. 956 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,740 And then to compound that sin... 957 00:55:31,909 --> 00:55:35,811 ...name the male after one of the classics of Chinese literature. 958 00:55:36,547 --> 00:55:37,639 Whew. 959 00:55:38,449 --> 00:55:41,646 NARRATOR: Leading feminist Gloria Steinem decries this new Wonder Woman... 960 00:55:41,819 --> 00:55:44,549 ...as a mere mortal who walks around in boutique clothes... 961 00:55:44,722 --> 00:55:46,952 ...and takes the advice of a male mastermind. 962 00:55:47,124 --> 00:55:51,493 James Bond made boring and without the sexual liberties. 963 00:55:52,463 --> 00:55:56,399 Thank you, Gloria Steinem, for not mentioning my name in that article. 964 00:55:56,567 --> 00:56:01,504 I really dropped that one. I thought I was on the side of feminism. 965 00:56:01,672 --> 00:56:03,196 Sorry. 966 00:56:03,874 --> 00:56:05,364 NARRATOR: Steinem leads the campaign... 967 00:56:05,543 --> 00:56:09,603 ...to bring back the strong female role model she grew up idolizing... 968 00:56:10,046 --> 00:56:12,810 ...and in 1972, puts a costumed Wonder Woman... 969 00:56:12,982 --> 00:56:16,383 ...on the very first cover of Ms. Magazine. 970 00:56:17,654 --> 00:56:20,646 Now a symbol of a burgeoning women's lib movement... 971 00:56:20,823 --> 00:56:23,417 ...Wonder Woman, the superhero, returns. 972 00:56:47,917 --> 00:56:49,316 [GUNFIRE] 973 00:56:50,853 --> 00:56:54,220 And then Lynda Carter comes along. They found their perfect Wonder Woman. 974 00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:56,984 I don't know that I've ever seen a better translation... 975 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,991 ...from comic-book page to real life... 976 00:56:59,162 --> 00:57:01,255 ...as seen in Wonder Woman to Lynda Carter. 977 00:57:01,431 --> 00:57:06,266 It fit perfectly for the time period and was a role model for teenage girls. 978 00:57:06,436 --> 00:57:08,063 WONDER WOMAN: Excuse me, that's very rude. 979 00:57:08,238 --> 00:57:10,570 - Get out of here, broad. - It's also dangerous. 980 00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:13,538 WOLFMAN: A girl can be a powerful character that throws guys around. 981 00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,577 They're not gonna stop her. You can take charge of yourself. 982 00:57:16,746 --> 00:57:19,977 And Super Friends was the same thing for little kids. 983 00:57:24,687 --> 00:57:27,986 ANNOUNCER: Gathered together from the cosmic reaches of the universe... 984 00:57:28,157 --> 00:57:30,455 ...here in this great Hall of Justice... 985 00:57:30,627 --> 00:57:35,155 ...are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. 986 00:57:37,367 --> 00:57:39,631 Super Friends cartoons are notable because they made... 987 00:57:39,802 --> 00:57:40,996 ...Aquaman a household name. 988 00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:42,831 ANNOUNCER: Aquaman! 989 00:57:43,006 --> 00:57:44,701 WAID: That's the stuff I was growing up on. 990 00:57:44,874 --> 00:57:47,604 I couldn't wait to get to my TV every Saturday morning. 991 00:57:47,777 --> 00:57:49,642 It wasn't quite the Justice League I knew. 992 00:57:49,812 --> 00:57:52,679 ZAN & JAYNA [IN UNISON]: Wonder Twin powers, activate! 993 00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:56,182 Form of a seagull. 994 00:57:56,653 --> 00:57:59,520 Shape of an ice gondola. 995 00:57:59,689 --> 00:58:01,680 JAYNA: Come on, Gleek. Let's go. 996 00:58:01,858 --> 00:58:02,882 [GLEEK GIBBERING] 997 00:58:03,059 --> 00:58:05,926 WAID: But it was still cool to see them on my TV screen. 998 00:58:06,095 --> 00:58:07,585 JOHNS: It did last a long, long time... 999 00:58:07,764 --> 00:58:11,427 ...because those guys, even though they're fictional characters, become your heroes. 1000 00:58:11,601 --> 00:58:13,330 It hits everybody when they're young. 1001 00:58:13,503 --> 00:58:16,300 You get older, you wanna understand why they do what they do. 1002 00:58:16,471 --> 00:58:19,599 And you wanna know more about the depth of their mythology. 1003 00:58:20,275 --> 00:58:23,642 NARRATOR: While the television shows awoke the interest of a new generation... 1004 00:58:23,812 --> 00:58:27,304 ...DC's defining adaptation of the '70s would appeal as much to adults... 1005 00:58:27,482 --> 00:58:29,143 ...as to their children. 1006 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,280 Nobody had thought of a superhero movie as a potential blockbuster... 1007 00:58:34,456 --> 00:58:39,359 ...but producers Ilya and Alexander Salkind decided to take a chance. 1008 00:58:39,528 --> 00:58:43,692 I believed it could be very good as a major film... 1009 00:58:44,166 --> 00:58:45,599 ...if it would be done right. 1010 00:58:45,967 --> 00:58:48,197 NARRATOR: With Richard Donner directing... 1011 00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:51,999 ...the only hole left is the Man of Steel himself. 1012 00:58:52,174 --> 00:58:56,304 I thought it should be an unknown at the beginning. 1013 00:58:56,478 --> 00:58:58,503 Now, they all started working on me... 1014 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,080 ...and the commercial side said we need a star. 1015 00:59:01,249 --> 00:59:03,740 There's a moment where you weaken and I said, "Right." 1016 00:59:03,919 --> 00:59:06,149 So we started looking for stars. 1017 00:59:06,321 --> 00:59:10,587 And thank God, Redford turned it down. 1018 00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:13,286 NARRATOR: Dozens of hopefuls were screen-tested. 1019 00:59:13,462 --> 00:59:15,862 Even Salkind's first wife's dentist. 1020 00:59:16,098 --> 00:59:19,693 I won't have to fly anywhere after you tell me where the controls are. 1021 00:59:21,536 --> 00:59:23,834 Wouldn't you know it? Story of my life. 1022 00:59:24,005 --> 00:59:26,064 The single most important interview since... 1023 00:59:26,241 --> 00:59:29,972 NARRATOR: But the role goes to a 25-year-old Juilliard graduate... 1024 00:59:30,145 --> 00:59:31,442 ...Christopher Reeve. 1025 00:59:31,613 --> 00:59:33,444 Good evening, Miss Lane. 1026 00:59:33,782 --> 00:59:35,545 LOIS: Careful, you'll... 1027 00:59:35,717 --> 00:59:37,708 Heh. Okay, so you won't. 1028 00:59:37,886 --> 00:59:40,252 Thank you for finding the time for this interview. 1029 00:59:40,422 --> 00:59:44,222 There must be many questions about me the world would like the answers to. 1030 00:59:44,393 --> 00:59:48,295 What sets Superman apart is that he has the wisdom to use his power for good. 1031 00:59:48,463 --> 00:59:50,954 He's got the kind of maturity, or innocence, really... 1032 00:59:51,133 --> 00:59:53,101 ...to look at the world very, very simply. 1033 00:59:53,268 --> 00:59:55,429 That's what makes him different. When he says: 1034 00:59:55,637 --> 00:59:58,902 I'm here to fight for truth, justice and the American way. 1035 00:59:59,074 --> 01:00:01,941 Everybody goes, "Heh, ahem," you know? But he's not kidding. 1036 01:00:02,110 --> 01:00:06,638 WAID: It was just so perfectly cast, Christopher Reeve as Superman. 1037 01:00:06,815 --> 01:00:09,716 Nobody else can touch the hem of that cape. 1038 01:00:10,619 --> 01:00:14,851 January 26th, 1979, was the most important day in my life. 1039 01:00:15,023 --> 01:00:16,615 I went to see Superman: The Movie. 1040 01:00:16,792 --> 01:00:19,522 And I saw it twice in that one day, and I walked out... 1041 01:00:19,694 --> 01:00:23,026 ...and I knew that no matter what the rest of my life was gonna be... 1042 01:00:23,197 --> 01:00:24,960 ...it had to involve Superman. 1043 01:00:26,634 --> 01:00:30,195 I remember literally running out in the parking lot afterwards... 1044 01:00:30,371 --> 01:00:32,999 ...with my hands in front of me, pretending I was flying. 1045 01:00:33,174 --> 01:00:34,368 [SCREAMS] 1046 01:00:34,542 --> 01:00:36,942 WAID: My favorite scene in the movie was the helicopter save. 1047 01:00:37,111 --> 01:00:39,511 Superman full-blown for the first time on your screen. 1048 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,170 What the hell is that? 1049 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:44,684 - Aah! - Easy, miss. I've got you. 1050 01:00:44,852 --> 01:00:46,581 You...? You've got me? 1051 01:00:46,754 --> 01:00:48,745 - Who's got you? - Heh. 1052 01:00:48,989 --> 01:00:52,049 He's just sort of like, "Oh, good one." It just looked so understated. 1053 01:00:52,226 --> 01:00:54,160 You're focused on her. You don't see that. 1054 01:00:54,328 --> 01:00:57,957 That, to me, is Superman. That's that sort of, "He's just one of us." 1055 01:00:58,132 --> 01:01:01,329 Everyone, stand back. Stand back. Nothing to get worried about. 1056 01:01:01,502 --> 01:01:05,461 WAID: Here is a character in a world where I didn't feel I was being paid attention to... 1057 01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,607 ...where I didn't feel like I mattered... 1058 01:01:07,775 --> 01:01:09,834 ...here's somebody who cares about everybody. 1059 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:13,878 Whether you're rich or poor or black or white, Superman cares about everybody. 1060 01:01:14,448 --> 01:01:18,179 NARRATOR: A new wave of Supermania hits in the wake of the film's success. 1061 01:01:18,352 --> 01:01:20,877 A wave that rolls into three sequels... 1062 01:01:21,822 --> 01:01:24,086 SUPERMAN: Unh! WOMEN: Aah! 1063 01:01:24,258 --> 01:01:25,919 - Now watch the trees. - Whoa! 1064 01:01:26,093 --> 01:01:28,653 NARRATOR: - A challenge from Muhammad Ali... 1065 01:01:28,829 --> 01:01:30,558 ...and a merchandizing bonanza. 1066 01:01:31,999 --> 01:01:36,527 And it really cemented this idea that these characters are timeless. 1067 01:01:36,704 --> 01:01:39,571 That this is not your father's Superman. 1068 01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:41,765 This is a Superman for a modern era. 1069 01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:46,070 NARRATOR: Two years before the Superman film swept across America... 1070 01:01:46,247 --> 01:01:50,581 ...behind the scenes, DC had hired its very own Wonder Woman. 1071 01:01:50,751 --> 01:01:53,811 Jenette Kahn became the company's first female publisher. 1072 01:01:53,988 --> 01:01:56,980 At 28 years old, the youngest one as well. 1073 01:01:57,157 --> 01:01:59,990 ADAMS: Jenette wasn't plucked from the ranks of comic books. 1074 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,358 She was an erudite, experienced person in the world... 1075 01:02:04,532 --> 01:02:06,898 ...and not a neighborhood guy. 1076 01:02:07,067 --> 01:02:09,558 She wasn't married to any concepts in comics... 1077 01:02:09,737 --> 01:02:11,466 ...because she came from the outside. 1078 01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:15,507 She was very much responsible for royalties, which changed all of our lives. 1079 01:02:15,676 --> 01:02:19,806 And really came into the business intending to make changes. 1080 01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:22,471 Jenette let DC be DC. 1081 01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:25,847 One of the first things she did was change the name of the company... 1082 01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:29,785 ...from National Periodical Publications to DC Comics. 1083 01:02:30,623 --> 01:02:36,528 One of the first times I met her, she talked about the literary potential of comics. 1084 01:02:36,696 --> 01:02:40,996 How you could tell any kind of story and she'd love to be able to do that. 1085 01:02:41,167 --> 01:02:44,898 There was this revolution really happening, and at DC in particular... 1086 01:02:45,071 --> 01:02:51,442 ...they wanted to foster that new thinking and that modern sensibility. 1087 01:02:52,645 --> 01:02:56,809 NARRATOR: DC seeks out new audiences and again rebuilds their iconic characters... 1088 01:02:56,983 --> 01:03:00,749 ...as reflections of the time in the Modern Age. 1089 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,480 I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear... 1090 01:03:03,656 --> 01:03:07,422 ...that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States. 1091 01:03:07,594 --> 01:03:10,961 WAID: In the '80s, there was a whole new conservative grip to the nation. 1092 01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:14,463 Some of the younger comic-book creators were not as keen on that. 1093 01:03:14,934 --> 01:03:17,129 Chief among them, Frank Miller. 1094 01:03:17,303 --> 01:03:19,897 NARRATOR: One of seven children from a blue-collar family... 1095 01:03:20,073 --> 01:03:23,133 ...Miller moved to New York City's Hell's Kitchen as a teenager... 1096 01:03:23,309 --> 01:03:26,870 ...and established himself as a striking new voice in comics. 1097 01:03:27,046 --> 01:03:28,274 He's not afraid. 1098 01:03:28,448 --> 01:03:30,712 And you gotta kind of be punk. 1099 01:03:30,883 --> 01:03:33,010 You just gotta be punk once in a while. 1100 01:03:33,453 --> 01:03:37,514 NARRATOR: Miller sets out to re-envision Batman in the age of new conservatism... 1101 01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:39,555 ...in The Dark Knight Returns. 1102 01:03:39,726 --> 01:03:42,160 There's something very antiquated about the notion. 1103 01:03:42,328 --> 01:03:47,163 The effort of Dark Knight was to revive it. It wasn't to bury the idea. 1104 01:03:47,333 --> 01:03:52,464 It wasn't to kick it around the block a few times or do an autopsy. 1105 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:58,043 It was to make the idea work in a modern context. 1106 01:03:58,211 --> 01:04:01,044 NARRATOR: In The Dark Knight Returns, after Batman's retirement... 1107 01:04:01,214 --> 01:04:03,944 ...the world crumbles into a police state. 1108 01:04:04,117 --> 01:04:06,017 And now, as a man in his 50s... 1109 01:04:06,185 --> 01:04:09,643 ...Bruce Wayne is moved to don the cape and cowl once again. 1110 01:04:11,124 --> 01:04:15,356 He's rolling over Gotham like a tank. And if you're in his way, God help you. 1111 01:04:15,528 --> 01:04:19,828 MILLER: Most of the basic assumptions of comics, up until the past few years... 1112 01:04:19,999 --> 01:04:22,058 ...everything happened in a benevolent world. 1113 01:04:22,235 --> 01:04:25,170 You can always trust the cops, can always trust elected officials... 1114 01:04:25,338 --> 01:04:26,828 ...can always trust your parents. 1115 01:04:27,006 --> 01:04:28,997 It's unfortunate that for so many years... 1116 01:04:29,175 --> 01:04:34,044 ...the basic idea of superheroes was made impossible... 1117 01:04:35,014 --> 01:04:38,505 ...by putting it in a world that didn't need any. 1118 01:04:39,251 --> 01:04:42,448 NARRATOR: Superman is painted as Ronald Reagan's right-hand man... 1119 01:04:42,621 --> 01:04:46,580 ...the force of law and order that must contain the vigilante Batman. 1120 01:04:46,758 --> 01:04:48,817 The whole climax of the book ends up being... 1121 01:04:48,994 --> 01:04:50,825 ...Superman and Batman trading blows... 1122 01:04:50,996 --> 01:04:53,362 ...as Batman rains upon him with kryptonite gloves. 1123 01:04:53,532 --> 01:04:56,763 And really, in that moment, you're seeing the fire of liberalism... 1124 01:04:56,935 --> 01:05:01,895 ...pound the crap out of the staid, conservative era of the 1980s. 1125 01:05:02,074 --> 01:05:04,372 NARRATOR: The first press run of The Dark Knight Returns... 1126 01:05:04,543 --> 01:05:06,101 ...sells out each and every copy. 1127 01:05:06,278 --> 01:05:11,306 We haven't done a second printing of a comic book for possibly 50 years. 1128 01:05:11,483 --> 01:05:13,474 Book ultimately went through four printings. 1129 01:05:13,652 --> 01:05:15,916 Really was something everyone was looking at. 1130 01:05:16,088 --> 01:05:17,749 Wow, wow, wow. 1131 01:05:17,923 --> 01:05:22,519 And I remember getting to the end of the third installment. 1132 01:05:22,694 --> 01:05:25,390 Like, "Oh, my God, this is just brilliant." 1133 01:05:25,564 --> 01:05:29,466 When it came out, it was a very startling new approach to Batman. 1134 01:05:29,634 --> 01:05:32,125 It was getting written up in the music-industry press. 1135 01:05:32,304 --> 01:05:34,295 But it also found a whole new audience. 1136 01:05:34,473 --> 01:05:38,967 So I did a Plastic Man book years ago, and it was for kids. 1137 01:05:39,144 --> 01:05:43,046 And this was when I found out that the superhero audience is no longer kids. 1138 01:05:43,215 --> 01:05:45,649 [LAUGHING] 1139 01:05:45,817 --> 01:05:48,615 - I want you to tell all your friends about me. - What are you? 1140 01:05:50,188 --> 01:05:51,951 I'm Batman. 1141 01:05:52,124 --> 01:05:53,421 [NIC YELLS] 1142 01:05:54,526 --> 01:05:56,460 NARRATOR: The success of The Dark Knight Returns... 1143 01:05:56,628 --> 01:05:58,289 ...gives rise three years later... 1144 01:05:58,463 --> 01:06:00,260 ...to Batman, directed by Tim Burton. 1145 01:06:03,602 --> 01:06:08,301 Tim Burton's first Batman movie explodes the audience for comics. 1146 01:06:08,473 --> 01:06:12,637 The size of the business about doubles in that one year. 1147 01:06:12,811 --> 01:06:15,871 REPORTER: And to many, it's irrelevant what this movie is about. 1148 01:06:16,047 --> 01:06:18,982 They will tell you this movie is a happening unto itself. 1149 01:06:19,718 --> 01:06:21,652 NARRATOR: The film spawns three sequels. 1150 01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:23,481 Meow. 1151 01:06:24,456 --> 01:06:26,890 NARRATOR: And a Fleischer-inspired animated series. 1152 01:06:27,526 --> 01:06:31,053 BERGER: The industry was really starting to see the first sort of quake. 1153 01:06:31,229 --> 01:06:35,029 You know, the first trembles of, "Hey, this can be something else." 1154 01:06:37,135 --> 01:06:40,730 My name's Alan Moore. I write comics. 1155 01:06:41,206 --> 01:06:44,504 NARRATOR: Alan Moore grew up in poor working-class Northampton. 1156 01:06:44,675 --> 01:06:47,974 An underground comic-book artist, Moore was also a vegetarian... 1157 01:06:48,145 --> 01:06:51,672 ...practicing magician and self-proclaimed anarchist. 1158 01:06:51,849 --> 01:06:55,250 The most important thing that you have to understand about Alan Moore... 1159 01:06:55,419 --> 01:06:57,182 ...is that he's a genius. 1160 01:06:57,354 --> 01:07:00,653 I do like to try and put my finger upon the exact nerve, if possible... 1161 01:07:00,825 --> 01:07:02,292 ...of what really scares people. 1162 01:07:02,459 --> 01:07:04,950 Sort of, it's sadism. I'm getting paid for it. 1163 01:07:05,129 --> 01:07:08,121 GAIMAN: Wherever he had taken his talents, in whatever medium... 1164 01:07:08,299 --> 01:07:10,199 ...he would have changed the game. 1165 01:07:10,367 --> 01:07:12,835 I needed a writer for Swamp Thing, I thought of Alan. 1166 01:07:13,003 --> 01:07:14,868 I liked Alan's work and I called him up. 1167 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,269 "Len Wein. I'd like to talk to you about working for me." 1168 01:07:17,441 --> 01:07:19,033 [IN BRITISH ACCENT] "Who is this really?" 1169 01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:20,541 [IN NORMAL VOICE] "It's Len Wein." 1170 01:07:20,711 --> 01:07:21,939 [IN BRITISH ACCENT] "Who is it?" 1171 01:07:22,112 --> 01:07:23,136 [IN NORMAL VOICE] "Len Wein." 1172 01:07:23,314 --> 01:07:24,338 [IN BRITISH ACCENT] "Goodbye." 1173 01:07:24,515 --> 01:07:25,539 He hung up on me. 1174 01:07:25,716 --> 01:07:28,651 I thought one of my friends was playing a joke... 1175 01:07:28,819 --> 01:07:30,650 ...putting on a funny American accent. 1176 01:07:30,821 --> 01:07:32,880 But, no, it was the real Len Wein. 1177 01:07:33,057 --> 01:07:35,491 And he said, "Would you like to write Swamp Thing?" 1178 01:07:35,659 --> 01:07:39,060 And, you know, when I'd picked myself up off the floor, I said yes. 1179 01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:43,894 "I'd love to, but do I have to do exactly what you did?" I said, "I hope not." 1180 01:07:44,468 --> 01:07:48,427 NARRATOR: The Swamp Thing had always been a man transformed into a monster. 1181 01:07:48,739 --> 01:07:50,263 Moore reverses it. 1182 01:07:50,441 --> 01:07:54,343 Creates, in his words, "a plant with delusions of grandeur... 1183 01:07:54,511 --> 01:07:56,945 ...a monster who thinks it's a man." 1184 01:07:57,114 --> 01:08:01,949 I'd given up on comics and I picked up a Swamp Thing. 1185 01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:06,112 I loved the intelligence. I loved the passion. 1186 01:08:06,290 --> 01:08:08,952 And Alan had brought me back. 1187 01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:13,153 The next big project of Alan's, of course, after that was Watchmen... 1188 01:08:13,330 --> 01:08:16,891 ...which was just this absolute and utter game-changer. 1189 01:08:17,735 --> 01:08:22,172 MOORE: Watchmen actually examined the implications of the superhero. 1190 01:08:22,339 --> 01:08:26,298 If these absurd characters were real, just what they'd do to the world. 1191 01:08:26,477 --> 01:08:31,938 If there had been a Superman ever, the world would be unrecognizable. 1192 01:08:32,116 --> 01:08:35,142 I don't want everybody to agree with me. I want people to think. 1193 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,777 Seems anything these days which is slightly to the left of Genghis Khan... 1194 01:08:38,956 --> 01:08:40,685 ...is immediately labeled subversive. 1195 01:08:40,858 --> 01:08:43,019 If in this current time... 1196 01:08:43,193 --> 01:08:47,687 ...tolerance and sensitivity of any kind are labeled "loony left" or "subversive"... 1197 01:08:47,865 --> 01:08:50,663 ...then I would be quite proud to be considered a subversive. 1198 01:08:51,935 --> 01:08:53,493 WAID: The whole concept of Watchmen is... 1199 01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:55,501 ...very much a reaction to Thatcher's England. 1200 01:08:55,672 --> 01:09:00,302 That very Orwellian sense of government power... 1201 01:09:00,476 --> 01:09:05,175 ...and sense of censorship and sense of personal freedoms being curtailed. 1202 01:09:05,748 --> 01:09:07,375 MOORE: What frightens people these days... 1203 01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:09,745 ...is not the idea of a werewolf jumping out at them. 1204 01:09:09,919 --> 01:09:13,821 It's the idea of a nuclear war coursing through our society at the moment. 1205 01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:16,390 And I think that to really frighten people... 1206 01:09:16,559 --> 01:09:20,325 ...you have to somehow ground the horror in their own experience... 1207 01:09:20,496 --> 01:09:22,225 ...things that they're frightened of. 1208 01:09:22,398 --> 01:09:26,858 Watchmen just sort of stretched the limits of what we thought a comic book was... 1209 01:09:27,036 --> 01:09:31,063 ...and found a way to use superheroes or genre conventions... 1210 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,800 ...as a metaphor for talking about the Cold War. 1211 01:09:33,977 --> 01:09:36,673 It was like, wow, these things can be about something. 1212 01:09:36,846 --> 01:09:39,406 Superhero stories can actually be about something. 1213 01:09:39,582 --> 01:09:42,073 POPE: I remember being a teenager reading those at the time. 1214 01:09:42,251 --> 01:09:47,188 There was something you could show your college professor or your doubting uncle. 1215 01:09:47,357 --> 01:09:50,417 And he'd say, "Wow, you know, this is a literary work." 1216 01:09:51,127 --> 01:09:53,118 JONES: Watchmen was the culmination of something... 1217 01:09:53,296 --> 01:09:56,993 ...that had been happening for years which people were calling the British Invasion. 1218 01:09:57,166 --> 01:09:59,498 It was a bunch of English writers and artists... 1219 01:09:59,669 --> 01:10:01,899 ...suddenly being brought in, mainly by DC. 1220 01:10:02,305 --> 01:10:03,932 NARRATOR: Editor Karen Berger is tasked... 1221 01:10:04,107 --> 01:10:07,508 ...with finding more up-and-coming U.K. Artists and writers. 1222 01:10:07,677 --> 01:10:10,510 BERGER: For me, being a woman coming from outside of comics... 1223 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,308 ...what they were doing was the stuff that interested me. 1224 01:10:13,483 --> 01:10:15,348 What they wanted to do, to change things. 1225 01:10:15,518 --> 01:10:19,454 They wanted to mature comics. They wanted to be provocative. 1226 01:10:19,622 --> 01:10:23,114 We had a whole generation of people who'd grown up reading this... 1227 01:10:23,292 --> 01:10:26,227 ...had been obsessed by it, always imagined doing it. 1228 01:10:26,396 --> 01:10:29,797 And to finally get this chance was just unbelievable. 1229 01:10:29,966 --> 01:10:32,935 People lived up to the sense that we've got something to prove. 1230 01:10:33,269 --> 01:10:36,136 GAIMAN: I'd really wanted to write comics. That's what I wanted to do. 1231 01:10:36,305 --> 01:10:37,932 An ambition I gave up... 1232 01:10:38,107 --> 01:10:41,804 ...after an unsatisfactory meeting with a careers counselor. 1233 01:10:41,978 --> 01:10:44,947 I explained that I wanted to write American comics. 1234 01:10:45,114 --> 01:10:47,241 He sat there and stared at me. After a while, he said: 1235 01:10:47,417 --> 01:10:49,408 "Ever thought about accountancy?" 1236 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:56,422 For years, I had to explain to people that comics was a medium and not a genre. 1237 01:10:57,193 --> 01:10:58,284 It is an empty bottle... 1238 01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:01,224 ...and you can put anything you like in that bottle. 1239 01:11:01,396 --> 01:11:03,728 NARRATOR: In Neil Gaiman's reinvention of The Sandman... 1240 01:11:03,899 --> 01:11:08,836 ...an amateur sorcerer seeking everlasting life sets out to trap Death. 1241 01:11:09,204 --> 01:11:14,699 And mistakenly snares her brother, Dream, the Sandman, instead. 1242 01:11:15,644 --> 01:11:20,946 After seven decades of captivity, Dream is released and takes his revenge. 1243 01:11:21,116 --> 01:11:24,677 No one cared about the concept of the Sandman... 1244 01:11:24,853 --> 01:11:27,413 ...until Neil Gaiman reinvented it. 1245 01:11:27,956 --> 01:11:31,915 GAIMAN: Sandman really was a comic that I was writing to please myself. 1246 01:11:32,094 --> 01:11:36,497 I think there are lots of other people who like the same kind of stuff that I like. 1247 01:11:36,731 --> 01:11:39,029 NARRATOR: The mythos Neil Gaiman creates in Sandman... 1248 01:11:39,201 --> 01:11:43,638 ...soon outstrips sales of DC's flagship character, Superman. 1249 01:11:44,005 --> 01:11:46,872 And Sandman brings with it a whole new audience. 1250 01:11:47,042 --> 01:11:52,344 Every 14-year-old goth girl in the world is reading Sandman. 1251 01:11:52,514 --> 01:11:58,851 And the giant influx of new readers we have is unbelievable. 1252 01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:03,218 That comic became one of the most literate, most well-drawn... 1253 01:12:03,391 --> 01:12:05,791 ...most well-written comics that we've ever done. 1254 01:12:05,961 --> 01:12:08,691 DC's realized it needs to create an imprint for that stuff. 1255 01:12:08,864 --> 01:12:11,162 It has a unique and distinct voice of its own. 1256 01:12:11,333 --> 01:12:14,268 BERGER: There was that fire. There was that creative sensibility. 1257 01:12:14,436 --> 01:12:20,966 We were doing this whole bunch of cool, edgy, irreverent, literate comics. 1258 01:12:21,143 --> 01:12:24,772 It was V for Vendetta. It was Sandman. It was Animal Man. It was Hellblazer. 1259 01:12:24,946 --> 01:12:26,538 It was Shade the Changing Man. 1260 01:12:26,715 --> 01:12:29,707 It was Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Books of Magic. 1261 01:12:29,885 --> 01:12:31,648 They said, "What would you like to do? 1262 01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:34,448 Would you like an imprint or to do something on your own? 1263 01:12:34,623 --> 01:12:38,889 You know, separate it from the rest of, you know, the superhero stuff." 1264 01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:41,722 I'm like, "Are you crazy? Of course I'd love that." 1265 01:12:42,297 --> 01:12:44,857 That's pretty much how Vertigo started. 1266 01:12:45,433 --> 01:12:47,162 NARRATOR: Under editor Karen Berger... 1267 01:12:47,335 --> 01:12:50,600 ...Vertigo becomes the imprint for mature audiences... 1268 01:12:50,772 --> 01:12:53,434 ...grabbing the attention of the mainstream press... 1269 01:12:53,608 --> 01:12:55,701 ...inventing and reinventing genres... 1270 01:12:55,877 --> 01:12:59,677 ...and consistently pushing the boundaries of what constitutes a comic. 1271 01:12:59,848 --> 01:13:01,873 BERGER: If we're talking about making comics relevant... 1272 01:13:02,050 --> 01:13:04,280 ...and treating this as a real literary form... 1273 01:13:04,452 --> 01:13:09,388 ...you gotta let people, you know, create their own work and have a stake in it. 1274 01:13:10,291 --> 01:13:14,250 NARRATOR: In 1993, minority creators come together to form Milestone... 1275 01:13:14,428 --> 01:13:17,591 ...with Dwayne McDuffie as editor-in-chief. 1276 01:13:17,765 --> 01:13:22,395 Blacks in comics for many, many, many years were drawn as subhuman. 1277 01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:26,028 The Spirit, which is a relatively realistically drawn comic. 1278 01:13:26,207 --> 01:13:27,970 Ebony White could have been a gremlin. 1279 01:13:28,142 --> 01:13:32,078 I'm not sure a modern reader would understand that he was human. 1280 01:13:32,246 --> 01:13:36,615 You just got into the habit of looking past that so you could have entertainment. 1281 01:13:36,784 --> 01:13:39,116 The few black characters who had their own books... 1282 01:13:39,286 --> 01:13:42,221 ...were mostly the children of blaxploitation movie fad. 1283 01:13:42,389 --> 01:13:44,755 As much like Shaft as they could get away with. 1284 01:13:44,925 --> 01:13:47,894 I just never had met anyone... 1285 01:13:48,062 --> 01:13:51,623 ...who was anything like the black characters who existed in comics. 1286 01:13:51,799 --> 01:13:56,964 DC was very experimental, very open to new voices and new ideas... 1287 01:13:57,137 --> 01:14:00,265 ...which was really the biggest part of Milestone. 1288 01:14:00,874 --> 01:14:02,933 NARRATOR: Milestone initially launches four titles... 1289 01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:06,238 ...that far outsell founders' expectations. 1290 01:14:06,413 --> 01:14:09,177 And Static is adapted into a popular animated series. 1291 01:14:10,751 --> 01:14:11,979 The industry changed. 1292 01:14:12,152 --> 01:14:16,714 It used to be dominated by white men. That's changed. That's good. 1293 01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:20,986 We're attracting a broader audience and I think the stories are more interesting. 1294 01:14:21,528 --> 01:14:22,893 NARRATOR: A South Korean immigrant... 1295 01:14:23,063 --> 01:14:24,860 ...Jim Lee turned away from pre-med studies... 1296 01:14:25,032 --> 01:14:26,693 ...to pursue his love of comics. 1297 01:14:27,368 --> 01:14:32,169 He became a massively popular artist and in 1992, founds WildStorm. 1298 01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:36,202 We really did it because we wanted to change things... 1299 01:14:36,377 --> 01:14:38,777 ...and control the stuff that we were doing. 1300 01:14:38,946 --> 01:14:41,176 NARRATOR: WildStorm goes on to merge with DC... 1301 01:14:41,348 --> 01:14:45,876 ...and the partnership continues to produce popular and enduring titles. 1302 01:14:46,053 --> 01:14:50,888 While Vertigo, Milestone and WildStorm are all reaching new audiences... 1303 01:14:51,058 --> 01:14:53,993 ...Superman has again fallen out of touch with his. 1304 01:14:54,161 --> 01:14:58,495 A decade past the success of the films, sales are lagging. 1305 01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:00,691 CARLIN: Started having what we called Super Summits. 1306 01:15:00,868 --> 01:15:05,202 Everybody would get together, plan a year's worth of stories. 1307 01:15:05,372 --> 01:15:11,004 We had plotted out a continuity that involved Superman getting married. 1308 01:15:11,178 --> 01:15:13,737 CARLIN: Jenette Kahn managed to interest Hollywood... 1309 01:15:13,913 --> 01:15:16,473 ...in doing a Lois & Clark television show. 1310 01:15:16,649 --> 01:15:21,143 And we said, "Ooh, gee, maybe we shouldn't get them married just yet. 1311 01:15:21,321 --> 01:15:24,688 Maybe they get married on the show and we do the comic at the same time." 1312 01:15:24,857 --> 01:15:26,825 Went to the room of writers and artists... 1313 01:15:26,993 --> 01:15:29,655 ...told them we weren't gonna do the story they'd planned. 1314 01:15:29,829 --> 01:15:33,731 A whole year's worth of continuity that we just plotted is, whoosh, out the window. 1315 01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:37,893 Jerry said, as he always did, "Let's just kill him." 1316 01:15:38,071 --> 01:15:39,095 [ORDWAY LAUGHS] 1317 01:15:39,272 --> 01:15:42,400 LOUISE: Up to this point, we'd say, "Ha-ha-ha, yeah, Jerry, that's right." 1318 01:15:42,575 --> 01:15:45,009 This time, we said, "You know..." 1319 01:15:45,178 --> 01:15:48,705 We thought that the world wasn't really as appreciative of Superman... 1320 01:15:48,881 --> 01:15:50,576 ...as they ought to be. 1321 01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:54,880 And we thought, well, let them see what a world without Superman might be like. 1322 01:15:55,988 --> 01:16:00,584 LEVITZ: A comic fan who works for the Miami Herald decides to write about it... 1323 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,196 ...and the whole world stops and says, "This is important." 1324 01:16:04,364 --> 01:16:07,800 Of course he's coming back. Does anyone believe they're killing Superman? 1325 01:16:07,967 --> 01:16:09,628 You know? And people did. 1326 01:16:11,771 --> 01:16:14,035 NARRATOR: Superman meets his match in Doomsday... 1327 01:16:14,207 --> 01:16:17,040 ...an indestructible monster from the depths of the earth. 1328 01:16:17,210 --> 01:16:20,873 With every issue, the art grows with Superman's peril. 1329 01:16:21,047 --> 01:16:26,451 From four panels to three to two until the death issue itself... 1330 01:16:26,619 --> 01:16:32,251 ...all full-page panels of the slugfest that kills the Man of Steel. 1331 01:16:33,426 --> 01:16:36,327 LOUISE: And then we get to do the world without Superman. 1332 01:16:36,496 --> 01:16:42,332 How his death affects all of his friends and all the city and the world. 1333 01:16:42,502 --> 01:16:46,461 Superman's funeral cortege moves through Metropolis... 1334 01:16:46,639 --> 01:16:48,903 ...and affects people as it passes. 1335 01:16:49,642 --> 01:16:53,601 People try to become... 1336 01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:57,614 In a way, embody Superman as they see him. 1337 01:16:57,784 --> 01:17:00,412 Every time I talk about it, I burst into tears. 1338 01:17:01,254 --> 01:17:04,121 And then his parents... I actually love the scene... 1339 01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:08,488 ...where his parents are burying his little kid stuff in the grave... 1340 01:17:08,661 --> 01:17:12,222 ...because that's all they've got to bury. Superman belongs to the world. 1341 01:17:12,398 --> 01:17:14,298 And they only have little things to bury. 1342 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:17,230 And they create a grave for him. 1343 01:17:17,403 --> 01:17:20,633 They bury these little things kind of symbolically. 1344 01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:24,031 I think that people need an ideal... 1345 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:28,110 ...to look at and to try to become. 1346 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:32,011 And I think that for me, maybe Superman is partly that kind of ideal. 1347 01:17:33,585 --> 01:17:37,282 NARRATOR: Across the country, fans stage memorials for the Man of Steel. 1348 01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:43,023 And the "Death of Superman" issue becomes the bestselling comic in history. 1349 01:17:43,195 --> 01:17:46,824 REPORTER: It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a '79 Ford. 1350 01:17:46,998 --> 01:17:49,296 But it's carrying some pretty important cargo. 1351 01:17:49,468 --> 01:17:54,201 Superman Issue 75, the issue in which the Man of Steel meets his maker. 1352 01:17:55,073 --> 01:17:59,305 We packaged it with arm bands and we ran out of silk to make the arm bands. 1353 01:17:59,478 --> 01:18:03,209 There were so many comics ordered that it was ridiculous. 1354 01:18:04,015 --> 01:18:06,006 NARRATOR: The Superman team enjoys their success... 1355 01:18:06,184 --> 01:18:08,846 ...and keeps Superman out of the books for months... 1356 01:18:09,020 --> 01:18:13,013 ...until his inevitable resurrection, another bestseller. 1357 01:18:13,191 --> 01:18:17,491 But Superman is a heartfelt exception to the cynical comics of the time. 1358 01:18:17,662 --> 01:18:24,158 There is always an unfortunate backwash from the big success. 1359 01:18:24,336 --> 01:18:25,860 A tremendous amount of imitation. 1360 01:18:26,037 --> 01:18:29,165 Almost every superhero seemed to have to have some of that gritty... 1361 01:18:29,341 --> 01:18:33,004 ...psychological darkness of Watchmen and Dark Knight. 1362 01:18:33,178 --> 01:18:35,476 They got darker and darker and forgot the core... 1363 01:18:35,647 --> 01:18:37,979 ...of what most of these superhero comics are... 1364 01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:42,518 ...which is about triumphing over adversity. 1365 01:18:42,687 --> 01:18:46,350 You could tell the villains from the heroes by whose logo was on the cover. 1366 01:18:46,525 --> 01:18:51,326 I mean, their behavior was evil, not morally ambiguous. 1367 01:18:51,496 --> 01:18:56,524 These guys were just flat-out, "Oh, I'm gonna kill this guy. He's a guard." 1368 01:18:57,736 --> 01:19:00,034 NARRATOR: Dismayed by what they saw as a lack of meaning... 1369 01:19:00,205 --> 01:19:01,536 ...in contemporary comic books... 1370 01:19:01,706 --> 01:19:04,766 ...writer Mark Waid and artist Alex Ross come together... 1371 01:19:04,943 --> 01:19:09,073 ...to challenge the decade's murky tone in Kingdom Come. 1372 01:19:09,614 --> 01:19:12,913 WAID: Alex and I both had this unbridled love for these characters. 1373 01:19:13,084 --> 01:19:17,748 And we both were coming off of a reaction to comics of the late '80s and early '90s... 1374 01:19:17,923 --> 01:19:19,151 ...which was a dark era. 1375 01:19:19,658 --> 01:19:21,558 Our audience is looking at a world... 1376 01:19:21,726 --> 01:19:25,218 ...where white picket fences sometimes hide some really creepy secrets. 1377 01:19:25,397 --> 01:19:30,459 That sort of wholesome America of the 1950s I associate with Superman. 1378 01:19:30,634 --> 01:19:35,503 I wanted to see if we couldn't pull him into the America of the 21st century. 1379 01:19:35,673 --> 01:19:39,336 It was a rebuke to '90s superheroes. 1380 01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:41,671 The old superheroes had gotten off the job... 1381 01:19:41,845 --> 01:19:45,178 ...and let these new young guys who didn't have any morals take over... 1382 01:19:45,349 --> 01:19:48,682 ...and everything went to hell. Superman has to come back and say: 1383 01:19:48,852 --> 01:19:51,184 "Hey, whoa, wait. This isn't how we do things." 1384 01:19:51,355 --> 01:19:54,688 Kingdom Come was very much a reaction to a world in which superheroes... 1385 01:19:54,858 --> 01:19:58,624 ...had just become things that fight other things. They don't fight for anything. 1386 01:19:59,396 --> 01:20:02,456 NARRATOR: Kingdom Come is the first expression of a new dissatisfaction... 1387 01:20:02,633 --> 01:20:05,625 ...with meaningless, cynical storytelling. 1388 01:20:07,004 --> 01:20:13,239 A call to action that grows more profound with the events of September 11th, 2001. 1389 01:20:15,312 --> 01:20:17,246 DIDIO: You cannot live or work in New York... 1390 01:20:17,414 --> 01:20:19,473 ...without being affected by the turn of events. 1391 01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:21,777 Even more so than most places in the country. 1392 01:20:22,252 --> 01:20:24,812 You saw people so much more guarded... 1393 01:20:24,989 --> 01:20:27,719 ...so much more afraid than they ever were before. 1394 01:20:27,891 --> 01:20:30,155 That same moment, they were never more inspired... 1395 01:20:30,327 --> 01:20:32,454 ...by the people who risked their lives. 1396 01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:36,794 These were normal average people, and there's story after story, tale after tale. 1397 01:20:36,967 --> 01:20:39,561 People continued to persevere and do their job... 1398 01:20:39,737 --> 01:20:41,830 ...even though they knew death was upon them. 1399 01:20:42,006 --> 01:20:44,270 It makes it very hard to tell fictional stories... 1400 01:20:44,441 --> 01:20:46,807 ...when you have real heroes out there doing that. 1401 01:20:47,077 --> 01:20:49,068 POPE: New York and Gotham City are the same. 1402 01:20:49,246 --> 01:20:52,682 And I do subscribe to this notion that the heroes, they're ciphers for us. 1403 01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:55,648 And they're ways for us to be able to speak about the world. 1404 01:20:55,819 --> 01:21:00,756 I think people do tend to see heroic projections of good as nostalgic or corny. 1405 01:21:00,924 --> 01:21:04,189 And I think there are some people, maybe people who have children... 1406 01:21:04,361 --> 01:21:06,761 ...who wanna be able to provide stories. 1407 01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:10,457 Or if you think of it in a deeper sense, like ideas of good. 1408 01:21:10,634 --> 01:21:15,094 Post 9/11, people wanted heroes to look up to instead of heroes that were... 1409 01:21:15,272 --> 01:21:18,708 You know, that were not really heroes at all. 1410 01:21:18,876 --> 01:21:22,676 For me, I think that's probably why superheroes continue to climb up. 1411 01:21:22,846 --> 01:21:26,111 Because we do need heroes. We need aspirational, inspirational heroes. 1412 01:21:27,017 --> 01:21:30,418 ADAMS: That's why we like comic books. That's why we love comic books. 1413 01:21:30,587 --> 01:21:34,955 Because we think maybe if the conditions present themselves... 1414 01:21:35,124 --> 01:21:37,592 ...we will be the hero of the moment. 1415 01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:46,992 NARRATOR: Could the men that started DC Comics have guessed... 1416 01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:51,539 ...what the company they began 75 years ago would one day become? 1417 01:21:51,708 --> 01:21:53,437 My favorite character is Superman. 1418 01:21:53,609 --> 01:21:55,702 He's someone that you aspire to be... 1419 01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:58,707 ...becoming better than what you are right now. 1420 01:21:58,881 --> 01:22:00,906 NARRATOR: Would it be unrecognizable to them? 1421 01:22:01,084 --> 01:22:02,949 Did they have a notion from the start... 1422 01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:06,850 ...that the voices and visions of each generation of new writers and artists... 1423 01:22:07,023 --> 01:22:08,923 ...might forever invent the company anew? 1424 01:22:09,092 --> 01:22:11,583 One of the wonderful things about working in comics... 1425 01:22:11,761 --> 01:22:14,423 ...is you get to build on people and people build on you. 1426 01:22:14,597 --> 01:22:19,159 Have all that under you and then add to it and say, "I'm gonna make my mark here. 1427 01:22:19,335 --> 01:22:23,829 I'm going to tell the story that hasn't been told about this character." 1428 01:22:24,006 --> 01:22:27,806 Yeah, sometimes they just need the right take or they need the love... 1429 01:22:27,977 --> 01:22:31,105 Like somebody who really understands it or sees something new in it. 1430 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,612 And it's not just entertaining people. 1431 01:22:33,783 --> 01:22:36,547 It's giving them something to think about and some values... 1432 01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:38,778 ...and maybe something to live towards. 1433 01:22:38,955 --> 01:22:42,015 I don't really even wanna think about a world without DC. 1434 01:22:42,191 --> 01:22:46,525 I love superheroes because they're just like everything you wanna do in your life. 1435 01:22:46,696 --> 01:22:49,665 You like to help people, they help people. Live it through them. 1436 01:22:49,932 --> 01:22:54,665 Being 75 years is a good thing. Shows you longevity and staying power. 1437 01:22:54,837 --> 01:22:58,329 Seventy-five years, you don't wanna be your grandfather's superhero either. 1438 01:22:59,709 --> 01:23:02,769 NARRATOR: The spirit of innovation that was there at the company's creation... 1439 01:23:02,945 --> 01:23:04,970 ...is still its guiding force. 1440 01:23:05,448 --> 01:23:11,250 Shows like Smallville, the longest-running live-action superhero series in TV history... 1441 01:23:11,420 --> 01:23:14,947 With everything I've learned, apparently I'm just getting started. 1442 01:23:15,525 --> 01:23:19,723 NARRATOR: Games like "Arkham Asylum" and the "DC Universe Online"... 1443 01:23:19,896 --> 01:23:22,865 ...box-office smashes like Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins... 1444 01:23:23,032 --> 01:23:24,192 ...and The Dark Knight... 1445 01:23:24,367 --> 01:23:27,894 ...have given today's audiences distinctly modern interpretations... 1446 01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:30,595 ...of classic DC characters. 1447 01:23:30,973 --> 01:23:34,136 A little fight in you. I like that. 1448 01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:35,641 Then you're gonna love me. 1449 01:23:37,146 --> 01:23:39,546 NARRATOR: What began in two dimensions on pulp paper... 1450 01:23:39,715 --> 01:23:43,309 ...has now become the basis for storytelling across genres and media... 1451 01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:49,919 ...animated features and series, live-action television, and film. 1452 01:23:50,091 --> 01:23:52,685 MAN: You're the hero. - Really don't like talking about it. 1453 01:23:54,696 --> 01:23:57,256 INTERROGATOR: Are you ready to cooperate? 1454 01:23:57,432 --> 01:23:58,490 No. 1455 01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:05,871 Comics are a storytelling form that you can tell any kind of story in. 1456 01:24:06,041 --> 01:24:07,565 We provided this great space... 1457 01:24:07,742 --> 01:24:13,009 ...for creative talent to really have a place to tell their stories. 1458 01:24:13,181 --> 01:24:15,741 It doesn't take a genius to see the world has problems. 1459 01:24:15,917 --> 01:24:17,407 We can save this world. 1460 01:24:17,953 --> 01:24:21,946 LEE: You have a lot of people that are very respected in the world of film... 1461 01:24:22,123 --> 01:24:23,954 ...coming and writing comics, and vice versa. 1462 01:24:24,125 --> 01:24:26,025 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1463 01:24:26,194 --> 01:24:28,856 LEE: They've made it a more sophisticated form of telling stories... 1464 01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:31,760 ...and they've made it a more respected form of telling stories. 1465 01:24:32,601 --> 01:24:33,829 JIMMY: In the sky. - It's a bird. 1466 01:24:34,002 --> 01:24:35,026 - A plane. - No, look, it's... 1467 01:24:35,203 --> 01:24:36,465 [DOOR OPENS] 1468 01:24:36,638 --> 01:24:37,662 You wanted to see me? 1469 01:24:37,839 --> 01:24:41,297 KIDD: You gotta make these characters into real people that you care about. 1470 01:24:41,476 --> 01:24:46,072 And if you can do that, then somebody's dangling off the side of a building... 1471 01:24:46,248 --> 01:24:48,113 ...it really does upset you. 1472 01:24:48,283 --> 01:24:50,911 FAN: I really feel like I grew up with these people around me. 1473 01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:53,714 So when I talk about them, I say, "I really like Clark." 1474 01:24:53,889 --> 01:24:57,325 Or, "I really like when Bruce did this," or, "when Tim did this." 1475 01:24:57,492 --> 01:25:01,588 The average person eavesdropping could think I'm talking about friends or family. 1476 01:25:02,797 --> 01:25:05,994 The characters are so flexible, you can't break them. 1477 01:25:06,167 --> 01:25:10,126 They worked in every era because creators have always found a way... 1478 01:25:10,305 --> 01:25:13,001 ...to talk about what's interesting to them now... 1479 01:25:13,174 --> 01:25:15,734 ...what's happening in the culture now. 1480 01:25:16,278 --> 01:25:20,180 Superheroes are these archetypes that live within us. 1481 01:25:20,348 --> 01:25:23,613 And then somebody figures out a way to present them to us... 1482 01:25:23,785 --> 01:25:28,415 ...in a way that is compatible with the realities that we live in. 1483 01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:32,754 They're still around after all these decades because they've been allowed to evolve. 1484 01:25:32,928 --> 01:25:35,488 WAID: Superman has become a household name. 1485 01:25:36,031 --> 01:25:38,431 Batman is recognized around the world. 1486 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,262 In the '30s and '40s, you know, newsstands were choked... 1487 01:25:41,436 --> 01:25:44,530 ...with comic publishers and characters that are forgotten today. 1488 01:25:44,706 --> 01:25:48,869 DC managed to guide those characters into the future. 1489 01:25:49,043 --> 01:25:52,206 What's exciting to me is that five, 10 years ago... 1490 01:25:52,379 --> 01:25:56,713 ...there were kids reading comics I wrote that are about to break into the business. 1491 01:25:56,984 --> 01:26:00,317 And I can't wait to see what they wanna bring to the table... 1492 01:26:00,487 --> 01:26:02,751 ...that is something that I could never envision. 1493 01:26:02,923 --> 01:26:05,483 That's what I wanna see. That's the future of DC Comics. 1494 01:26:05,926 --> 01:26:07,894 NARRATOR: The size and scope of DC today... 1495 01:26:08,062 --> 01:26:09,996 ...might well be far beyond the wildest dreams... 1496 01:26:10,164 --> 01:26:12,189 ...of the ambitious men who began it. 1497 01:26:12,366 --> 01:26:15,426 But the characters continue to be built as they always have... 1498 01:26:15,602 --> 01:26:18,503 ...by drawing on history and culture and personal experience... 1499 01:26:18,672 --> 01:26:21,539 ...to convey the deepest hopes of the new generation... 1500 01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:24,473 ...in whatever form the comics may take. 1501 01:26:24,645 --> 01:26:27,341 I have no idea how much longer books have for this world. 1502 01:26:27,514 --> 01:26:30,915 But I do know people like Siegel and Shuster... 1503 01:26:31,085 --> 01:26:33,212 ...people like Bob Kane and Bill Finger... 1504 01:26:33,387 --> 01:26:36,550 ...Julie Schwartz, bless his soul, then Alan Moore... 1505 01:26:36,724 --> 01:26:42,321 ...these people came up with characters and stories... 1506 01:26:42,496 --> 01:26:44,589 ...that are gonna be around forever. 1507 01:26:44,765 --> 01:26:49,031 Whether you're reading it on a small thing... 1508 01:26:49,203 --> 01:26:52,001 ...that looks like a diamond that you tap with your finger... 1509 01:26:52,172 --> 01:26:55,630 ...and it beams the entire content straight into your retina... 1510 01:26:55,809 --> 01:26:58,710 ...or whether you're reading it on something you can fold up... 1511 01:26:58,879 --> 01:27:01,473 ...and put in your pocket afterwards... 1512 01:27:02,182 --> 01:27:06,175 ...and you wanna pile up out in your tree house, I don't know. 1513 01:27:06,353 --> 01:27:09,618 But I can tell you that a hundred years from now... 1514 01:27:09,857 --> 01:27:13,293 ...there will be kids who wanna find out what's happening with Superman. 1515 01:30:23,048 --> 01:30:25,039 carrot was here 141719

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