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[Cindy] There's dark energy.
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It feels like a black mass.
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People will wake up and they feel
like something is on their chest.
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Feels almost like something
is sitting on your chest.
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She doesn't want me here,
she doesn't want other people here.
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She's angry.
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Did you see who's
trying to attack you?
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A really tall figure. Like,
taller than this ceiling.
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They took him out back
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and they hung him
over a telephone pole.
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This dark mass
is very, very dangerous.
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It can cause death.
I believe that.
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I don't like this at all.
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[sniffles]
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[Cindy] It wants
bad things to happen
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because that's how
it gets stronger.
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I keep hearing
"Murder. Murder. Murder."
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My name is Cindy Kaza.
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I'm a psychic medium.
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Somebody is conjuring up the spirits
in this house, I swear to God.
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I ask questions of the dead...
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These people are grave robbers.
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...to find answers
for the living.
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I'm 100% sure that we're
dealing with something demonic.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So when he jumps you
like that, what happens?
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It's my job to dig up history
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on every house
we've investigate.
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I wanna talk about
the bloodbath.
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And dig up secrets
that wanna stay hidden.
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We've done everything
but burn the house down.
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Together we help
terrified families...
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A man's voice said,
"I'm going to kill you."
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...decide whether
it's safe to stay...
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[crying] Let him sit there
and fight this thing.
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...or pack a bag and get out.
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His goal would be
to have you all die.
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[Cindy] Okay.
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Before I even got here,
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I had a feeling that there's something
deeply connected to the property.
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So I brought some tobacco
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because I wanna
leave an offering
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and ask the spirit's
permission to work here
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because there's something going
on definitely in the land.
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So I need to find
a spot to do that.
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Yeah.
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It's about respect.
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[Steve] I'm in
Modjeska Canyon, California.
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A small mountain community
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about an hour and a half
south of LA.
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I got a desperate call
from a lady named Lisa.
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Says she and her husband bought
their dream home a few years ago.
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It was a total fixer-upper, but the
second they started doing work on it,
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all hell broke loose.
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She sounds terrified and I'm
really hoping we can help her out.
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So, Lisa, I gotta tell you.
Driving up here?
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This is absolutely beautiful.
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Beautiful home,
beautiful property,
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but you sounded
miserable on the phone.
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Um, can you explain why?
[chuckles nervously]
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We've sunk
our heart and our soul,
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every bit of savings we had
into renovating a gorgeous house
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and hopefully somewhere
we could live forever.
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But shortly after we moved in,
everything started.
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And it has turned into
splitting our family apart
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and kind of terrorizing us.
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Okay, Lisa, let's start with basics.
Who lives in the house?
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This is a picture.
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This is my husband Kevin.
- [Steve] Okay.
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[Lisa] Our son Steele.
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Now things are so bad here,
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Steele won't live in the house.
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So we actually have him living in a
separate place on the property here.
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So, Lisa, do me a favor
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and give me a list of what
you guys are experiencing.
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When we're here, we all feel a
heavy presence. - [Steve] Okay.
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[Lisa] We see shadow figures.
It's become physical.
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And now, unfortunately,
it's affecting our health.
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What's going on with the health?
What's the problem?
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Well, when we moved here,
maybe within six months' time,
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Kevin, my husband,
was diagnosed with cancer.
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What kind of cancer did
your husband come down with?
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Kidney cancer.
- [groans] All right.
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Um, how's he doing now?
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[Lisa] He's recovered.
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[Steve] So, Lisa,
you mentioned on the phone
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that when you guys
started doing renovations,
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that's when things went haywire.
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What was it like here?
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When we first came to the
property, this was a wooden shack.
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I mean, did you take pictures?
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We did. Let me show you.
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My husband did almost all
of the work by hand.
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[Steve] So do you think this
is what stirred everything up?
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I definitely think that it
had something to do with it.
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Okay.
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[Lisa] There's a lot going on
in this house.
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The land is a big
piece of this. It's huge.
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It's a big deal.
It's a big deal.
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I wouldn't be renovating
anything here,
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I wouldn't be building
anything on here,
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I wouldn't be digging
into anything
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until they get
to the bottom of it.
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What would they be
looking at if they were to...
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It just stirs the pot.
It's stirs things up. It makes it worse.
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Yeah, I don't like it.
It's not good.
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[door creaking]
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In the house,
I start to feel physical problems
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like maybe dizzy, disoriented.
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The woman that lives here?
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Okay. Mmm-hmm.
- [Cindy] The woman of the house?
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She has to be really careful.
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I just feel like there's a
jealousy, there's a rage,
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there's a...
from the spirit world onto her.
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[Steve] Okay. So, Lisa, what's going
on that you brought me in the kitchen?
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I get these awful thoughts
that enter my mind.
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Okay, give me an example.
What are we talking about?
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It's picking out a sweater
to wear and thinking,
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"Oh, what should I wear today,"
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and something's saying,
"Pick what you're gonna wear,
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'cause today
you're gonna die."
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Really?
- Yeah.
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It makes you kind of feel like
you're a little bit crazy.
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All right.
So, is there anything else?
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Sometimes it just feels like
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there's a heavy, dark blanket
over everything.
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So we're talking about
emotions, not physical?
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Guess it's a little bit of both.
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Physical part,
what's it feel like to you?
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Feels almost like something's
sitting on your chest.
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It's almost like everything is
slower and heavier and harder to do.
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[Steve] How about the mood?
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Everything just feels dark.
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Okay.
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[Cindy] Something is so off
about this room.
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It feels... so off.
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And then there's something else.
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It feels like a black mass.
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It feels connected to the land.
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It feels oppressive.
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It feels like people will wake
up in the middle of the night,
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and they feel like something
is on their chest.
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They might feel something sitting
down next to them on the bed.
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Or feel, like you know,
a presence.
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You know when a spirit sits on the
bed and it makes an indentation?
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- Okay. - So I feel like
people have seen that.
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They're laying there and like,
"What's happening?"
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I'm seeing an indentation,
there's a spirit sitting on the bed with me.
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[Steve] Okay, Lisa,
so this is your bedroom.
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Okay, so what's going on?
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This is the room
where we get touched.
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It's usually our legs
or our feet.
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[Steve] How often
is that happening?
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It's a couple times a week.
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And what else is going on?
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It's hard to explain,
but it seems to be that there is a woman.
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It's like I feel her, and we hear her.
We never see her.
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What makes you think it's a
female if you can't see her?
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Because we hear a female voice.
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All right, so can you make out
what she's saying?
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So...
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Most of the time, I can't.
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But there are occasions where
I can make out some of it.
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So I have kept this notepad by my
bed and write down, scribble words
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that I feel like
I have heard from her.
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Okay.
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This one just says
"Can't live like this."
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This one, "Remember me."
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Okay. We're here,
we're gonna do this investigation.
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What are you hoping
you can get out of it?
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Hope we get our lives back.
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Hope we get the house back
that we wanted.
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It doesn't feel
like it's our house.
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Hopefully, we can change that.
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I hope so.
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I'm seeing a woman
and she's active in the house.
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She's very fast.
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But it's strange because I see
her, like, shifting.
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It feels like a shapeshifter.
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Sometimes people will see a
woman, she might come as a mist.
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The woman spirit
is super active in this area.
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Does she get physical at all?
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I feel like people might feel
touched by her.
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Might feel
a little bit of a push.
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Especially breathing or something
breathing like in the ear.
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She's just very aggressive,
in the sense, energetically.
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She doesn't have boundaries.
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People can feel
something behind them.
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She'll make people really
uncomfortable, give them anxiety.
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Can't breathe in here.
Oh, my God. Wow.
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This dead woman hates
living people in her space.
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She doesn't want me here,
she doesn't want other people here.
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And she's angry.
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That's how it feels.
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Yeah.
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Hey, Kev.
- Hey, what's up, Steve?
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You got a minute to talk or are you busy?
- Sure. No, I'm not busy.
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I was speaking
to your wife earlier.
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She's convinced the paranormal's
out of control in the house.
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I mean, do you agree with that?
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I agree with it to a point.
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I'm still a little bit
of a skeptic,
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but I try to talk myself out of the
things that I'm seeing in there.
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And how's that
working out for you?
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It's not.
- Okay.
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What about experiences?
Have you had any?
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Um, yes. I have
been in bed
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and I have felt something move my
leg about six inches out of the way.
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You were in bed with your
wife at this time? - Yes.
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Is it possible she touched you?
Did you ask her?
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Oh, I asked her and she said
she didn't touch me at all.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Yeah. My wife and I
will just be laying in bed,
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and the whole, entire bed will
shake for about ten seconds
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and it'll stop.
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All right, so we're
in earthquake country.
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Is it possible
that could have been it?
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No, I've gone online and
checked the TV and everything,
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and there's no earthquakes.
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Okay, so, you had
that happen in the bed.
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Anything else?
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Yeah, I have been seeing an apparition
outside my living room window.
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[Steve] Okay. Can you
describe it to me?
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Yeah, it's all black,
and it shows from its chest to its head,
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and it's wearing a cowboy hat.
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What kind of a sense
are you getting?
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Do you think it's curious?
Is it just staring at you?
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I think it thinks that
this property is his, maybe.
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And he's just always walking around
it to say, "Hey, this is mine."
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Okay.
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So, another thing
you can't explain.
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Yes. So, we just need
to get to the bottom of it.
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Okay.
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[Cindy] I see this man
walking up this pathway.
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He works on the land.
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He looks almost like a farmer.
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Or somebody that would have
worked with his hands.
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He's very connected
to this property.
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Does he have any interaction
with the living?
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I feel like he can be
aggressive towards people
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who he doesn't feel
are respecting the land.
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You know, people might
see him walking by
244
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or see something out of the
corner of their eye from inside.
245
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And that's him.
246
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Yeah.
247
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So I feel like they feel like
something's coming behind them.
248
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Like they're being rushed.
249
00:13:32,367 --> 00:13:35,667
If I'm walking this way,
I would feel somebody behind me
250
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kind of nudging me
or pushing me.
251
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[Matthew] Okay.
- Yeah.
252
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[Steve] So, Steele,
I understand you used to sleep here?
253
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Yeah.
254
00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:51,200
And you won't
sleep here anymore?
255
00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:53,347
No. No, I hate sleeping here.
256
00:13:53,367 --> 00:13:55,107
The activity's
pretty bad I imagine,
257
00:13:55,127 --> 00:13:56,847
if you're not gonna
sleep here anymore.
258
00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:59,700
Yeah. Every time I slept in here
is why I would get nightmares.
259
00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,747
What kind of nightmares?
260
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Every single time
I have the nightmares,
261
00:14:02,266 --> 00:14:05,266
it's someone trying to get in
here and trying to attack me.
262
00:14:05,286 --> 00:14:07,066
Can you see
who's trying to attack you?
263
00:14:07,086 --> 00:14:08,880
A really tall figure.
264
00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:12,747
I'm talking like taller than this ceiling.
Like seven and a half feet.
265
00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:16,700
The same shadow figure that I see in my
dreams, I see when I'm awake as well.
266
00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,447
Okay. Does it look
exactly the same?
267
00:14:18,467 --> 00:14:21,380
Exactly the same,
and it was looking right at me.
268
00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,200
All right. Now you're sure
you still weren't dreaming it?
269
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No. No.
270
00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:25,880
[Steve] You were definitely awake?
- Definitely awake.
271
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Are you taking anything that may give
you weird dreams or anything like that?
272
00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:29,146
No.
273
00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,456
All right. So, you're having nightmares.
Anything else?
274
00:14:31,476 --> 00:14:33,767
Whenever I'm in this house,
I feel incredibly drained.
275
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Like something is pulling on me.
276
00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:37,747
You feel like you're just tired
277
00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:40,757
or you feel depressed or
anxiety or anything like that?
278
00:14:40,777 --> 00:14:43,767
Anxiety and just being like
I don't want to do anything.
279
00:14:43,787 --> 00:14:45,246
I just feel stuck.
280
00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:46,847
What do you think is causing it?
281
00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:49,423
I think that there's something
here that doesn't want us here.
282
00:14:49,443 --> 00:14:52,000
This place is very old,
the land is very old. - [Steve] Right.
283
00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:54,100
I think it's just someone
who's so attached to the land
284
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and doesn't know how to move on.
285
00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,467
And wants it back.
- It wants it back. Yeah.
286
00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,200
Okay.
287
00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:12,433
When I come in here, I immediately
feel depression, anxiety, confusion.
288
00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,934
It's being caused
by this dark energy.
289
00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:22,573
I feel like there's
a young man in here.
290
00:15:22,593 --> 00:15:24,880
A living person? Okay.
- A living person.
291
00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:29,000
It's night terrors,
things like that can happen, you know?
292
00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:31,934
The depression, it concerns me.
293
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:37,433
It feeds off of chaos and it
feeds off of other people's pain.
294
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,680
It's trying to create discord,
295
00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:42,780
rifts in families,
miscommunications,
296
00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,667
like all those things
because it feeds off of that.
297
00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:48,467
That's how it gets energy.
298
00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,900
[Steve] So one of the first things
I do when I start an investigation
299
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is figure out who the original
owner of the property was.
300
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,880
In this case, I got a surprise.
301
00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,173
Turns out Lisa's house
was part of a ranch
302
00:16:00,193 --> 00:16:02,447
owned by a famous
Polish actress.
303
00:16:02,467 --> 00:16:04,146
When I called
the local historian,
304
00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:07,934
she told me the woman had a tragic
life I definitely need to know about.
305
00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,967
So, Hadley, thanks for
helping me out with this case.
306
00:16:16,987 --> 00:16:19,400
So this famous actress,
who was she?
307
00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,780
Her name was Helena Modjeska
308
00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,347
and she was born
in Kraków, Poland.
309
00:16:24,367 --> 00:16:27,347
She was discovered
by an older actor named Gustav
310
00:16:27,367 --> 00:16:31,300
who first became her guardian
and then became her husband.
311
00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,200
Okay, so this canyon
was named after her.
312
00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:34,480
That's right.
313
00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,100
All right, so this guy was her
guardian, now he's her husband.
314
00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,883
Right, did they
start a family at all?
315
00:16:38,903 --> 00:16:40,647
They did. They have
a son named Ralph,
316
00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,973
and then they have
a daughter named Marylka.
317
00:16:43,993 --> 00:16:47,300
But she sadly dies
when she's two in 1865.
318
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,000
She must have
taken that hard, right?
319
00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:50,250
I mean, it's her only daughter.
320
00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:51,480
It did.
It devastated her.
321
00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:54,567
And she also said that once
her daughter passed away,
322
00:16:54,587 --> 00:16:57,467
her husband ran off
and she never saw him again.
323
00:16:57,487 --> 00:16:58,980
Really?
- [Hadley] Mmm-hmm.
324
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,266
Okay, so now she's alone.
She's a single mom.
325
00:17:01,286 --> 00:17:03,080
And this is the 1800s.
326
00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:04,467
Does she ever get remarried?
327
00:17:04,487 --> 00:17:05,547
She does, yeah.
328
00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:07,300
Three years later,
she marries the love of her life,
329
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,146
this guy named Count Bozenta,
330
00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:12,567
and they become a really
fashionable couple in Poland.
331
00:17:12,587 --> 00:17:14,266
So at what point
do they come to America?
332
00:17:14,286 --> 00:17:16,680
They come to America in 1876
333
00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:19,390
because the Count
had these fantastic dreams
334
00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:22,100
of living this Wild West
fantasy in California.
335
00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:23,747
All right.
So now they're in America.
336
00:17:23,767 --> 00:17:25,900
When did they wind up
buying my client's property?
337
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,200
So she becomes
an American citizen,
338
00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:30,480
and then they buy
this property in 1888
339
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:34,580
in this area that was
then known as Santiago Canyon.
340
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,347
[Steve] So this is here?
In this area? - [Hadley] Mmm-hmm.
341
00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:41,166
Well, it sounds like she had a good life
here in America. Am I missing something?
342
00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:42,780
No, she had
a really happy life here,
343
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,700
but, you know, you never
get over losing a toddler
344
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,550
and I'm sure she missed home.
345
00:17:46,570 --> 00:17:48,380
But the problem was, in 1893,
346
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,947
five years after
she buys Modjeska Canyon,
347
00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:56,367
she is permanently banished from Poland for
speaking out against the Russians there.
348
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,667
[Steve] That had to kill her.
349
00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:00,980
Okay, so what happened?
350
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,023
She has a stroke in 1897.
- Okay.
351
00:18:03,043 --> 00:18:05,046
And then they lose
all their money,
352
00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,356
so she has to sell
the property in 1906.
353
00:18:07,376 --> 00:18:09,667
Then she's diagnosed
with Bright's disease,
354
00:18:09,687 --> 00:18:11,367
which is a form
of kidney disease.
355
00:18:11,387 --> 00:18:15,447
- Oh. - And she dies in 1909
at the age of 68.
356
00:18:15,467 --> 00:18:18,667
So for the most part, even though she
lost a child, which is devastating,
357
00:18:18,687 --> 00:18:20,347
looks like she had
a good life here.
358
00:18:20,367 --> 00:18:24,180
Absolutely, but I think there was a murder
on the property while she owned it.
359
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,767
So you might wanna
check that out.
360
00:18:25,787 --> 00:18:26,767
Really?
- [Hadley] Mmm-hmm.
361
00:18:26,787 --> 00:18:28,066
Okay.
362
00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,457
[Cindy] I'm seeing
that dead lady again.
363
00:18:33,477 --> 00:18:35,834
She's really angry
that she's dead.
364
00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:38,747
This is her house.
365
00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:42,373
It's like people don't
get to be happy in her house.
366
00:18:42,393 --> 00:18:45,980
But I feel that she
lost something by being here.
367
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,867
It came out that she
left her family to be here.
368
00:18:49,887 --> 00:18:51,780
She wasn't meant to stay here,
369
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,656
and she's angry
and feels lonely.
370
00:18:53,676 --> 00:18:55,533
She wants to be
with her daughter.
371
00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:59,180
And the name Mary
just came to me, too.
372
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,533
She doesn't want other people to
be happy until she can be happy.
373
00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:07,634
I don't like it.
It's not good.
374
00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,847
[Steve] Hadley mentioned there was
a murder right on Lisa's property.
375
00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:19,400
So I reached out to a retired LAPD
sergeant I've worked with before,
376
00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:21,146
and asked her
to look into it for me.
377
00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:25,100
She did some digging and said it
was a completely senseless homicide.
378
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,433
The whole thing
was over $2.50.
379
00:19:27,453 --> 00:19:29,767
This I gotta hear about.
380
00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,467
Cheryl, thanks for helping me out again.
It's good to see you.
381
00:19:37,487 --> 00:19:38,647
No worries.
382
00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:40,667
All right. So this murder,
what do we know about the victim?
383
00:19:40,687 --> 00:19:42,280
Captain William McKelvey
384
00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,100
was a foreman at the
Modjeska Ranch in the 1890s.
385
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,867
Described as
a peaceful, quiet guy.
386
00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,447
Very popular.
387
00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,166
And here's a drawing of him.
388
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,940
All right. So, from
what you're saying,
389
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,480
this sounds like
a really nice guy.
390
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,900
So how the hell did he wind up
being a murder victim?
391
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,447
Back in the 1890s,
there was a poll tax
392
00:20:00,467 --> 00:20:04,200
that every male resident of
Orange County was required to pay.
393
00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:07,847
So in July of 1892,
one of the workers on the ranch,
394
00:20:07,867 --> 00:20:12,400
a man by the name of Francisco
Torres, refused to pay the poll tax.
395
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,700
All right, so how much
was this tax?
396
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,934
It was $2.50.
397
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,780
Okay.
398
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,190
So, the murder.
What happened?
399
00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:21,378
Okay, so it's July 30, 1892.
400
00:20:21,398 --> 00:20:23,547
Payday on the ranch.
- Okay.
401
00:20:23,567 --> 00:20:27,467
Torres looks at his wages,
he realizes he's short.
402
00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:30,200
Normally he would get
$9 for a week's pay.
403
00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:31,266
He gets 6.50.
404
00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,146
He's livid.
405
00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:35,166
He immediately confronts
McKelvey, and he's like,
406
00:20:35,186 --> 00:20:37,347
"Hey, where's my $2.50?
407
00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:38,847
I want all of my money."
- Right.
408
00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:40,680
McKelvey just, kind of,
brushes him off,
409
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,400
and he turns to go feed
the chickens on the ranch.
410
00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:45,083
Torres is not having
any of that.
411
00:20:45,103 --> 00:20:46,767
He follows him.
He follows him.
412
00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:48,980
And he picks up a pickaxe.
413
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,867
He hits him in the head with a pickaxe
'cause he's still hot about that money.
414
00:20:52,887 --> 00:20:54,767
Right.
- Then he gets a knife.
415
00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:56,480
He stabs him in the heart.
416
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,200
Okay.
- He grabs his coin purse,
417
00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:59,747
and then he takes off.
418
00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,834
Okay.
- And here's the article.
419
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,166
All right. So now we got this
Torres on the run. What happens?
420
00:21:07,186 --> 00:21:11,066
On August 9th, a constable
in San Diego County
421
00:21:11,086 --> 00:21:13,600
locates Torres and arrests him.
422
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:14,850
Does he go to trial?
423
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:16,080
Well, not exactly.
424
00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,380
Remember, I told you,
McKelvey was very well liked.
425
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,066
And so all of his friends and
supporters showed up to the jail.
426
00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,146
They stormed the jail,
they locked up the watchman.
427
00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:28,367
They grabbed Francisco Torres,
and they took him out back,
428
00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:31,347
and they hung him
over a telephone pole.
429
00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:33,373
This was the very first time
in Orange County
430
00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:35,400
that there was
an extra-judicial lynching.
431
00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,166
And it made news as well.
432
00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,567
[Steve] Okay.
Is this Torres here?
433
00:21:40,587 --> 00:21:41,580
[Cheryl] Yeah.
434
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,634
Now you got two dead men
over $2.50.
435
00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,967
So senseless.
- Yeah.
436
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:52,133
[Cindy] This black mass
is the biggest threat here.
437
00:21:54,567 --> 00:21:57,467
It's been here,
and it creates things.
438
00:21:57,487 --> 00:21:59,280
It wants bad things to happen
439
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,333
because that's how
it gets stronger.
440
00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,333
[door creaking]
441
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,947
I feel like the energy
that's affecting people here,
442
00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:19,467
it's almost like this force can
make somebody's personality change
443
00:22:19,487 --> 00:22:22,600
to the point where they can
almost become somebody different.
444
00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:24,180
Or they can lose time,
445
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,066
feeling like two different
people sometimes.
446
00:22:27,086 --> 00:22:29,033
Like, that's another thing
I'm sensing.
447
00:22:29,053 --> 00:22:30,980
So, it feeds off of
people's fear,
448
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,540
it feeds off of
people's anxiety,
449
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,100
it feeds off of
when people get sick
450
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,680
or get physically ill.
451
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:41,680
It's almost like that's what's
causing a lot of problems
452
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:45,767
for people that come here, people
that live here, people that visit here
453
00:22:45,787 --> 00:22:47,934
to the point where
people could die.
454
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:51,967
And it continues to grow.
455
00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:54,457
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457
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459
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461
00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:11,873
[Steve] So far, I have
a family being torn apart
462
00:23:11,893 --> 00:23:14,180
by paranormal activity
in their dream home
463
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,066
on a property where a
brutal murder took place.
464
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,734
But I need to see
if there's anything else.
465
00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:24,447
Searching through old records,
466
00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:26,680
I find a brutal
Native American massacre
467
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,166
that took place close
to my client's property.
468
00:23:30,467 --> 00:23:34,066
I reached out to a local author
who knows all about this tragedy.
469
00:23:34,086 --> 00:23:36,967
He tells me it wasn't
about land, but horses.
470
00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:46,367
Well, Christian, thanks for
helping me out and meeting with me.
471
00:23:46,387 --> 00:23:48,647
So, you mentioned the tribe
here was called the Tongva.
472
00:23:48,667 --> 00:23:52,000
So, am I safe to assume that they'd
gotten into a beef with settlers?
473
00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:54,467
Yes. There was a group back
then of American settlers
474
00:23:54,487 --> 00:23:57,066
led by a guy named
William Wolfskill.
475
00:23:57,086 --> 00:23:59,246
That's Wolfskill himself.
476
00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:00,767
[Steve] Now, Christian,
you mentioned on the phone
477
00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,246
that this massacre
was over horses,
478
00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,767
and I'm assuming that's why we're
standing by the stables here.
479
00:24:04,787 --> 00:24:05,747
Exactly.
480
00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:08,900
The Tongva, allegedly,
were fond of, of horse meat.
481
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,080
So they would steal
the Mexicans' horses.
482
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,166
Okay. - To get on the
good side of the Mexicans,
483
00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:15,947
Wolfskill decided
that he was gonna
484
00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:18,767
track down the horse thieves
and teach them a lesson.
485
00:24:18,787 --> 00:24:20,046
Okay. So what happens next?
486
00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:24,100
Wolfskill and his crew track
the horses to Black Star Canyon,
487
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,020
right near here,
488
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,180
where they discover the Tongva
489
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,423
feasting on the horses
around a campfire.
490
00:24:29,443 --> 00:24:31,667
Even though they're
incredibly outnumbered,
491
00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:33,467
they still proceed
with the ambush.
492
00:24:33,487 --> 00:24:34,680
How did the ambush go?
493
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,547
They overwhelmed the Tongvas.
494
00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:39,467
They tried fighting back, but
their, their weapons were primitive.
495
00:24:39,487 --> 00:24:42,447
Bows and arrows,
Spanish blunderbuss muskets.
496
00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:46,266
No match for the modern rifles
that they had coming at them.
497
00:24:46,286 --> 00:24:48,947
And so the injured Tongva left,
498
00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:50,547
leaving behind
the dead and the dying.
499
00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,100
All right. So what wound up
happening with the Tongva?
500
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,800
Did they stay, did they fight?
What happened?
501
00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:56,567
Tongva eventually leave.
502
00:24:56,587 --> 00:24:57,847
Then, in 1878,
503
00:24:57,867 --> 00:25:00,400
a company called the Black
Star Coal Mining Company
504
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,880
discovers coal deposits
in the area.
505
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,300
They open a mine
at the mouth of the canyon.
506
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,747
Hence the name
Black Star Canyon.
507
00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:10,767
They mine there for years,
on and off, until the early 1900s.
508
00:25:10,787 --> 00:25:13,166
At which point,
the whole operation shuts down.
509
00:25:13,186 --> 00:25:15,100
All right. So, Christian,
I gotta assume,
510
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:16,300
even though the Tongva left,
511
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,480
there had to be still artefacts
512
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,447
and maybe remains
in those mountains.
513
00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:22,166
[Christian] Many accounts of artefacts
being discovered over the years,
514
00:25:22,186 --> 00:25:25,747
including a human skeleton
that was discovered in 1938.
515
00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:28,400
Well, needless to say, I mean,
there's a lot of blood in these mountains.
516
00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:30,183
Absolutely.
There's a lot of history here,
517
00:25:30,203 --> 00:25:31,967
a lot of layers
that you can comb through.
518
00:25:31,987 --> 00:25:33,747
And, uh, Black Star Canyon today
519
00:25:33,767 --> 00:25:35,347
is a favorite place
for people to hike.
520
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,133
And many people, I'm sure,
have no idea what went on back there.
521
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,547
[Matthew] This black mass,
522
00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:45,207
do you know if this thing
was ever alive?
523
00:25:45,227 --> 00:25:47,867
Doesn't feel human to me.
Feels inhuman.
524
00:25:47,887 --> 00:25:50,133
It feels connected to the land.
525
00:25:50,867 --> 00:25:52,767
I'm gonna do
automatic writing in here.
526
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,447
Automatic writing
is a form of channeling.
527
00:25:57,467 --> 00:25:59,773
When I do it, I don't
actually hear the dead,
528
00:25:59,793 --> 00:26:02,080
but they write
their messages through me.
529
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,166
I put pen to paper
and allow my hand to move.
530
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,634
The energy from the land
is from a long time ago.
531
00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:12,523
It's from below the ground.
532
00:26:12,543 --> 00:26:14,945
Something happened in the 1950s
533
00:26:14,965 --> 00:26:17,347
that really
amplified everything.
534
00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:20,373
So the people that are building
or digging on this land,
535
00:26:20,393 --> 00:26:23,400
they don't respect the land,
they don't understand the land.
536
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:26,400
There is a dig that happened,
and it broke...
537
00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:28,280
It, like, opened something up.
538
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,467
Like, opened a portal.
It did something
539
00:26:30,487 --> 00:26:33,066
that unleashed this mass.
540
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,600
I saw a lot of really dangerous
things in the course of this walk.
541
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,367
But the dead woman sneaking
up on the living person,
542
00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:48,847
that has me really concerned.
543
00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:51,556
I saw an image of a woman,
who is alive,
544
00:26:51,576 --> 00:26:54,246
doing dishes,
staring out the window.
545
00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:57,967
Okay. - Behind her,
I saw a dead, older woman.
546
00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:03,166
She was about the same height as
the woman looking out of the window.
547
00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:04,980
Her hair was silver,
548
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,867
and it was
about shoulder length.
549
00:27:06,887 --> 00:27:08,447
Like, to here.
550
00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,433
She felt really angry,
she felt aggressive.
551
00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:17,207
Next, I had the artist
sketch a black mass
552
00:27:17,227 --> 00:27:19,847
hovering over
a living person in bed.
553
00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:23,400
I saw the woman waking up
in the middle of the night.
554
00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:25,533
And the mass was so thick
that she is...
555
00:27:25,553 --> 00:27:27,667
Almost like
it was taking her breath away.
556
00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,367
More, like, a mist
or, like, a smoke?
557
00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:32,767
It was dense, black energy.
558
00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,367
Cindy, is this what you saw?
559
00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:45,734
That's exactly what I saw.
560
00:27:54,967 --> 00:27:58,100
[Steve] Now that Cindy and I have
completed our investigations,
561
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,333
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
562
00:28:01,066 --> 00:28:03,146
and our clients
for the first time.
563
00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:06,380
So, Cindy, I want you
to meet Lisa and Kevin.
564
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,800
They live here on this beautiful
property with their son, Steele,
565
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,547
who's 19.
That's him in the middle.
566
00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:15,400
Now, these guys put a lot of blood,
sweat and tears into this place.
567
00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:18,266
It was supposed to be their forever
home, but we're here.
568
00:28:18,286 --> 00:28:20,083
So, you can imagine,
they're having
569
00:28:20,103 --> 00:28:21,941
a hell of a time
with the paranormal.
570
00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:23,780
Now, these guys
aren't asking for much.
571
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,023
They just wanna go back
to living a peaceful life.
572
00:28:26,043 --> 00:28:28,411
And they don't know
whether they can do it here
573
00:28:28,431 --> 00:28:30,989
or if it's gonna have to be
someplace else.
574
00:28:31,009 --> 00:28:33,567
So, Cindy can start
telling us about her walk,
575
00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:35,533
and maybe figure things out.
576
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:42,500
[Cindy] There's a dead woman
who is very active.
577
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,966
She's very aggressive,
she's angry.
578
00:28:45,986 --> 00:28:49,433
And she feels like
this is her house.
579
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,146
She doesn't want
other people here.
580
00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:57,300
She felt like something had
been taken from her in life.
581
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,647
That she had been forced
to be on the land.
582
00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:03,700
She kept saying to me,
"I wanna find my daughter.
583
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,980
I can't find my daughter.
584
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,773
I wanna be connected
with my daughter."
585
00:29:07,793 --> 00:29:10,567
I kept hearing the name Mary
over and over.
586
00:29:10,587 --> 00:29:13,880
Mary, Mary, Mary.
587
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,100
You guys probably know this
history, but Cindy doesn't.
588
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,780
The original owner of the land
589
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,867
was a famous Shakespearean
actress named Helena Modjeska.
590
00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:26,100
The whole area, Modjeska
Canyon, is named after her.
591
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,447
She originally came
from Kraków, Poland.
592
00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:31,266
Her first husband was an older
actor who discovered her.
593
00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:32,980
They had two kids.
594
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,667
A son named Ralph
and a daughter named Marylka.
595
00:29:35,687 --> 00:29:37,547
So that's the Mary.
- [Cindy] Hmm.
596
00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:40,447
Marylka tragically died
at the age of two.
597
00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:43,166
This happened in Poland so we
have no access to the records.
598
00:29:43,186 --> 00:29:45,547
We don't know
what the cause of death was.
599
00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:48,767
We do know that after the baby
died, the husband skipped town.
600
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:52,000
Few years later,
she remarried a guy named Count Bozenta.
601
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:53,647
And they moved here to the US.
602
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:57,066
In 1888, they bought a huge
piece of land here in the canyon,
603
00:29:57,086 --> 00:29:59,046
which includes your house.
604
00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:02,567
Actually, I have a photo of
it, uh, with her in it.
605
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,367
Now, she never really got
over the loss of her daughter
606
00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:07,947
or being away from Poland.
607
00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:10,667
In 1893, she was banned
from ever returning to Poland
608
00:30:10,687 --> 00:30:13,100
after speaking out
against the Russian leaders.
609
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,450
And her health
went downhill after that.
610
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:18,108
And she died in 1909
from Bright's disease,
611
00:30:18,128 --> 00:30:20,767
a catch-all
for kidney disease back then.
612
00:30:20,787 --> 00:30:22,547
She was only 68 years old.
613
00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:26,834
Here's a photo of her from
when she was a young actress.
614
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,333
Could this possibly be
the woman you saw?
615
00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:34,667
I'm 100% sure
it's her. 100%.
616
00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,880
- [Steve] You guys have heard of her, right?
- [Lisa] Yes.
617
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,590
We finally toured her home
618
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:45,280
probably six months ago.
619
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,500
As I toured her home,
there are so many similarities
620
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,166
of the things
I have done in my house.
621
00:30:53,186 --> 00:30:55,200
And it was just weird.
- Yeah.
622
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:56,847
This is her home, to her.
623
00:30:56,867 --> 00:31:00,100
She... She doesn't want
other people in her home.
624
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,834
And she's making it
her home through you.
625
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,567
Now, is that the only way
she's interacting with them?
626
00:31:09,587 --> 00:31:10,634
So, no.
627
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,800
I feel like people
might feel touched by her.
628
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:17,480
People can feel
something behind them.
629
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,734
She'll make people really
uncomfortable, give them anxiety.
630
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,967
Now, you were touched.
631
00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:25,934
Tell her about that.
632
00:31:26,066 --> 00:31:27,146
[Lisa] Yeah.
633
00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:28,680
Some days,
it feels like fingers,
634
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,080
and some days,
it feels like a pressure.
635
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:35,367
Like something would sit on the
back side of me and, kind of, push.
636
00:31:35,387 --> 00:31:38,066
[Steve] Tell Cindy how you
write down what she says to you.
637
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,700
She sits at the foot of the bed,
638
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,633
and then I tell my husband,
639
00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,547
"I hear her, I hear her."
640
00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:47,480
And...
And so my husband said,
641
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,166
"You have to get a notebook."
- [Steve] Yes.
642
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,867
So, this is it.
643
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200
[Lisa] So, I wrote
things she says.
644
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:57,266
"I can't live like this.
645
00:31:57,286 --> 00:31:58,634
Remember me."
646
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,947
I think you're very psychic,
647
00:32:02,967 --> 00:32:05,166
and I think
you're also a medium.
648
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,767
And I think that
this woman has, uh,
649
00:32:09,787 --> 00:32:12,146
a very strong influence on you.
650
00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:15,433
Even more than I think
you are aware of.
651
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400
I had a sketch done about
a scene that I saw with you
652
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:22,834
and the dead woman
in the house in the kitchen.
653
00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,533
Oof. It's a little creepy.
- [Cindy] Mmm-hmm.
654
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,433
Oh, wow.
655
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,834
That would definitely be you.
656
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:44,166
I guess I feel so bad
that she's angry, you know.
657
00:32:44,186 --> 00:32:47,647
I just feel like
we put our heart into this.
658
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:51,567
We brought back this place
that is so magical.
659
00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:54,180
And to be angry at us
660
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,967
or, um, to want
to harm us is just...
661
00:32:57,987 --> 00:32:59,634
It's heartbreaking.
662
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,266
I think one of
the biggest issues here
663
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:10,767
has to do with the land.
664
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,146
I got the feeling
that in the past,
665
00:33:14,166 --> 00:33:18,146
this land just wasn't
respected by a lot of people.
666
00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:24,667
I felt that in the 1950s there had
been some sort of construction there,
667
00:33:24,687 --> 00:33:27,680
where people had
done some digging
668
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,100
without knowing what they were
doing, without respect.
669
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,033
Basically, it stirred up
a lot of energy.
670
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,967
I certainly wouldn't want to be
doing renovations on this land.
671
00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:41,647
At all.
672
00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,266
Well, it's a little late
for that.
673
00:33:43,286 --> 00:33:44,533
[Lisa chuckles]
674
00:33:45,467 --> 00:33:49,767
These guys did extensive,
extensive renovations.
675
00:33:49,787 --> 00:33:51,433
That makes a lot of sense.
676
00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:55,767
She was saying how the land
is pissed and disrespected.
677
00:33:55,787 --> 00:33:58,500
So you should know there was a...
massacre of Native Americans took place
678
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,380
in this area back in the 1800s.
679
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,623
Well, it happened at a spot
called Black Star Canyon.
680
00:34:02,643 --> 00:34:04,867
Yes. - [Steve] Which is
about seven miles from here.
681
00:34:04,887 --> 00:34:06,467
Less than seven miles.
682
00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,500
Now, you mentioned digging
and disrespecting the land.
683
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,367
In 1878, an American company
started mining coal
684
00:34:14,387 --> 00:34:17,080
on what was once
sacred Tongva land.
685
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,080
[Kevin] Oh.
- Oh, that makes so much sense.
686
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,190
Because I kept seeing
digging, digging, digging.
687
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:26,300
And I felt like the ground
had been cracked open.
688
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,734
Something was cracked open.
689
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,146
This went on
for about four decades.
690
00:34:31,166 --> 00:34:36,266
In 1938, the skeletal remains of a Tongva
tribe member was found in the mountains.
691
00:34:36,286 --> 00:34:40,500
So, when you started talking
about their land being angry,
692
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,166
do you think that could
have anything to do with it?
693
00:34:43,186 --> 00:34:44,533
Absolutely.
694
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:48,980
There's more.
695
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,867
So, really, I think the
biggest threat to your safety,
696
00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:56,246
to your family
697
00:34:56,266 --> 00:35:00,023
is this black mass
that's from the land.
698
00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:03,800
This is not human spirit.
This is inhuman.
699
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:05,233
It's never been human.
700
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,647
But it's powerful.
701
00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:09,347
When the coal mining happened,
702
00:35:09,367 --> 00:35:11,300
and the ground
was broken like that,
703
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,447
it created a monster, really.
704
00:35:13,467 --> 00:35:16,000
It can affect people
in a lot of different ways.
705
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:17,833
Depression, anxiety.
706
00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:19,667
It can make people sick.
707
00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:24,480
Heart attacks, cancer, illness.
708
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,747
About a year and a half ago,
um, my wife came to me.
709
00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:29,967
She says, "Kevin, you don't look very good.
You look sick."
710
00:35:29,987 --> 00:35:31,547
So, I went to the doctor.
711
00:35:31,567 --> 00:35:34,667
And it turns out
I had a tumor in my kidney.
712
00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,667
So I had a, uh,
part of my kidney removed.
713
00:35:38,687 --> 00:35:40,066
And it was cancerous.
714
00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:44,700
This mass, it can affect
people psychologically.
715
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,000
It can really make them insane.
716
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:49,280
And when I was
in the back house,
717
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,767
I sensed it was making a male
teenager feel very depressed.
718
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,480
Anxiety.
719
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,667
[Steve] That's where
Steele lives, their son.
720
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,066
I also saw that it was giving
this kid night terrors.
721
00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:04,480
So, Lisa, if you can,
722
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,467
can you tell Cindy about Steele's nightmares?
'Cause he told me.
723
00:36:08,487 --> 00:36:12,300
So, they all involve
a tall, shadow person,
724
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,380
uh, that he says is so tall
725
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,190
that when it stands
outside his room,
726
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:21,980
it actually has to bend over
to look in.
727
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,567
[Steve] Now, you said this thing can
also cause depression and anxiety.
728
00:36:25,587 --> 00:36:28,700
Tell Cindy about the intrusive
thoughts that you get.
729
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,647
I will just be standing there,
730
00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,847
picking out a sweater,
doing a dish.
731
00:36:32,867 --> 00:36:36,500
But it's a thought that comes,
and it will just say,
732
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,567
"Oh, pick a good one.
You're gonna die today."
733
00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:40,680
[Cindy] Yeah.
734
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,400
In the main bedroom,
I saw this mass interacting with the living.
735
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:47,400
I saw it putting pressure
on the bed.
736
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:49,447
Like, an indentation on the bed.
737
00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:53,367
And I also saw it hovering over
people while they're sleeping.
738
00:36:53,387 --> 00:36:54,647
[Kevin] Mmm.
739
00:36:54,667 --> 00:36:59,734
And I had a sketch drawn of the
scene that I saw in the picture.
740
00:37:00,166 --> 00:37:01,206
You guys wanna see this?
741
00:37:01,226 --> 00:37:02,246
No.
- [Kevin] No.
742
00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:03,533
[Lisa chuckles nervously]
743
00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:10,934
It's like something
out of a movie.
744
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,166
Oh, wow.
745
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600
It looks like me.
- [Kevin] Yeah, that is you.
746
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:21,680
Have you seen that?
- [Lisa] Yes.
747
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,634
It just looks like
this dark, like, blanket.
748
00:37:26,967 --> 00:37:30,980
Now, this sketch shows
Lisa in bed, I'm assuming.
749
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,400
But it seems like, Kevin,
you're having more experiences in the bed.
750
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:36,647
Do me a favor
and tell Cindy about
751
00:37:36,667 --> 00:37:39,300
what you told me when your
leg was moving in bed.
752
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,647
I just laid down, and Lisa
and I were next to each other,
753
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,967
and I just felt just a little bit
of pressure, and it moved my leg.
754
00:37:44,987 --> 00:37:47,733
I didn't feel any hands,
I didn't...
755
00:37:47,753 --> 00:37:50,500
I just felt something
just move my leg.
756
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,980
[Cindy] Mmm-hmm.
757
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,467
You also mentioned
the bed shaking.
758
00:37:53,487 --> 00:37:55,447
Just a little side by side.
759
00:37:55,467 --> 00:37:58,000
Just enough for you to notice.
- [Cindy] Yeah.
760
00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,000
It'll do it,
and then it'll stop.
761
00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:01,980
Ten minutes later,
it'll do it again.
762
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,266
And we experience this
maybe once or twice a month.
763
00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:10,466
This dark mass
is very, very dangerous.
764
00:38:10,486 --> 00:38:13,667
It can cause death.
I believe that.
765
00:38:15,567 --> 00:38:18,333
This right here
worries me more than anything.
766
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,433
I don't like this at all.
767
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,266
[Lisa sobs]
768
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,066
[Steve] Tonight, we found out
why you guys are getting touched,
769
00:38:31,086 --> 00:38:32,967
why you guys
are always feeling watched,
770
00:38:32,987 --> 00:38:34,714
and why you both got sick.
771
00:38:34,734 --> 00:38:36,867
But what we haven't answered
is the big question.
772
00:38:36,887 --> 00:38:38,800
Is there anything
you can do about it?
773
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:40,880
And if so, what's it gonna take?
774
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,533
For that answer, I'm gonna turn
it over to my partner, Cindy.
775
00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:51,166
We both know that you've put
so much love into this house.
776
00:38:51,186 --> 00:38:52,246
Yeah.
777
00:38:52,266 --> 00:38:56,467
But this black mass,
it didn't start when you got here.
778
00:38:56,487 --> 00:38:58,533
It's been here
for a really long time.
779
00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:02,239
But any time
the ground is broken,
780
00:39:02,259 --> 00:39:04,333
any time there are renovations,
781
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:07,000
it just gets stronger.
782
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:08,367
It's not human.
783
00:39:09,567 --> 00:39:11,467
It's a force that
I don't know that...
784
00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:14,533
That can be stopped.
785
00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:23,734
I don't feel
it's safe for you to stay.
786
00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,867
I think it's best if you leave.
787
00:39:30,467 --> 00:39:33,033
Okay, I am just
gonna speak for me.
788
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,080
I just don't feel like we will.
789
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,033
I don't know.
I just have such a tie to this place.
790
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,734
Is that tie you or is it Helena?
791
00:39:44,567 --> 00:39:45,967
[Lisa] I don't know.
792
00:39:45,987 --> 00:39:47,367
How do I know?
793
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,790
So, if they do decide to stay,
794
00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:56,580
is there anything they can do
795
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,723
to try to make it
at least a little safer?
796
00:39:59,743 --> 00:40:02,867
Uh, the only thing
that I could suggest,
797
00:40:02,887 --> 00:40:05,166
I do something
called spirit art.
798
00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:06,647
Oh.
799
00:40:06,667 --> 00:40:12,867
And I drew who I believe
to be a spirit guide,
800
00:40:12,887 --> 00:40:15,800
who is connected to the land
and to you.
801
00:40:17,867 --> 00:40:18,900
Oh, wow.
802
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,867
[Cindy] So, at the very least,
maybe you can hang him
803
00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,166
and talk to him.
804
00:40:26,367 --> 00:40:27,466
Okay.
805
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,567
This is a lot to take in.
806
00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:32,980
[Steve] As far as moving,
807
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,867
would you say you're not
even gonna consider it
808
00:40:34,887 --> 00:40:36,667
or is it something
you would consider?
809
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,046
I'd consider it.
810
00:40:39,066 --> 00:40:41,066
I just don't even know
how to consider it.
811
00:40:41,086 --> 00:40:42,634
Your family is in danger.
812
00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:48,246
I don't want to get another
phone call with you...
813
00:40:48,266 --> 00:40:51,000
Like the other day,
when you were all scared, screaming,
814
00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:52,133
running out of the house.
815
00:40:53,467 --> 00:40:55,233
Ultimately, it's your choice.
816
00:40:56,867 --> 00:40:59,033
But think about it.
817
00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:03,033
It's just a house. - Okay.
We're gonna think about it.
818
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,880
[Cindy] For the health
and safety of her family,
819
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,467
I really hope Lisa comes
around and decides to leave.
820
00:41:12,487 --> 00:41:14,780
If she does,
I'm really confident
821
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,980
that this family
will find a new home
822
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,634
where everybody will be safe and
happy for many years to come.
823
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,447
Hey, Dead Files, it's Lisa.
824
00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:33,100
Wanted to update you on everything
that's happened since you were here.
825
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,347
We assembled
a pretty big team of experts
826
00:41:37,367 --> 00:41:41,200
to come out and read the
land and clear the land.
827
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:44,347
We have had amazing success.
828
00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:48,467
And honestly, it's been
wonderful, easy-going here,
829
00:41:48,487 --> 00:41:50,146
with no issues.
830
00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:51,780
It's been pretty amazing.
831
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600
So thank you again for
everything you did for us.
832
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:57,547
And we are so, so happy
833
00:41:57,567 --> 00:42:00,200
to have been able
to have this opportunity.
67466
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