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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,567 --> 00:00:12,447 [Cindy] There's dark energy. 2 00:00:12,467 --> 00:00:14,947 It feels like a black mass. 3 00:00:14,967 --> 00:00:18,333 People will wake up and they feel like something is on their chest. 4 00:00:19,367 --> 00:00:22,847 Feels almost like something is sitting on your chest. 5 00:00:22,867 --> 00:00:25,367 She doesn't want me here, she doesn't want other people here. 6 00:00:25,387 --> 00:00:26,747 She's angry. 7 00:00:26,767 --> 00:00:28,347 Did you see who's trying to attack you? 8 00:00:28,367 --> 00:00:31,367 A really tall figure. Like, taller than this ceiling. 9 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:34,447 They took him out back 10 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:36,634 and they hung him over a telephone pole. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,890 This dark mass is very, very dangerous. 12 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:42,400 It can cause death. I believe that. 13 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:44,166 I don't like this at all. 14 00:00:44,186 --> 00:00:46,046 [sniffles] 15 00:00:46,066 --> 00:00:47,847 [Cindy] It wants bad things to happen 16 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:49,934 because that's how it gets stronger. 17 00:00:50,867 --> 00:00:53,767 I keep hearing "Murder. Murder. Murder." 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,973 My name is Cindy Kaza. 19 00:00:55,993 --> 00:00:57,747 I'm a psychic medium. 20 00:00:57,767 --> 00:01:01,700 Somebody is conjuring up the spirits in this house, I swear to God. 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,516 I ask questions of the dead... 22 00:01:03,536 --> 00:01:05,333 These people are grave robbers. 23 00:01:05,967 --> 00:01:07,847 ...to find answers for the living. 24 00:01:07,867 --> 00:01:10,967 I'm 100% sure that we're dealing with something demonic. 25 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:14,080 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 26 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,390 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:18,700 So when he jumps you like that, what happens? 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,080 It's my job to dig up history 29 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:21,790 on every house we've investigate. 30 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:23,480 I wanna talk about the bloodbath. 31 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,523 And dig up secrets that wanna stay hidden. 32 00:01:25,543 --> 00:01:27,567 We've done everything but burn the house down. 33 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:29,246 Together we help terrified families... 34 00:01:29,266 --> 00:01:31,367 A man's voice said, "I'm going to kill you." 35 00:01:31,387 --> 00:01:33,347 ...decide whether it's safe to stay... 36 00:01:33,367 --> 00:01:37,266 [crying] Let him sit there and fight this thing. 37 00:01:37,286 --> 00:01:38,747 ...or pack a bag and get out. 38 00:01:38,767 --> 00:01:41,567 His goal would be to have you all die. 39 00:02:09,867 --> 00:02:11,246 [Cindy] Okay. 40 00:02:11,266 --> 00:02:12,747 Before I even got here, 41 00:02:12,767 --> 00:02:17,834 I had a feeling that there's something deeply connected to the property. 42 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:23,847 So I brought some tobacco 43 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:26,080 because I wanna leave an offering 44 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,380 and ask the spirit's permission to work here 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,734 because there's something going on definitely in the land. 46 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:37,533 So I need to find a spot to do that. 47 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:43,634 Yeah. 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,967 It's about respect. 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,100 [Steve] I'm in Modjeska Canyon, California. 50 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,647 A small mountain community 51 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:16,647 about an hour and a half south of LA. 52 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:20,080 I got a desperate call from a lady named Lisa. 53 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,246 Says she and her husband bought their dream home a few years ago. 54 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:26,634 It was a total fixer-upper, but the second they started doing work on it, 55 00:03:27,467 --> 00:03:28,934 all hell broke loose. 56 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,834 She sounds terrified and I'm really hoping we can help her out. 57 00:03:37,967 --> 00:03:39,967 So, Lisa, I gotta tell you. Driving up here? 58 00:03:39,987 --> 00:03:40,947 This is absolutely beautiful. 59 00:03:40,967 --> 00:03:43,157 Beautiful home, beautiful property, 60 00:03:43,177 --> 00:03:45,347 but you sounded miserable on the phone. 61 00:03:45,367 --> 00:03:48,266 Um, can you explain why? [chuckles nervously] 62 00:03:48,286 --> 00:03:50,780 We've sunk our heart and our soul, 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,166 every bit of savings we had into renovating a gorgeous house 64 00:03:55,186 --> 00:03:58,516 and hopefully somewhere we could live forever. 65 00:03:58,536 --> 00:04:02,308 But shortly after we moved in, everything started. 66 00:04:02,328 --> 00:04:06,100 And it has turned into splitting our family apart 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,780 and kind of terrorizing us. 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,266 Okay, Lisa, let's start with basics. Who lives in the house? 69 00:04:13,286 --> 00:04:14,567 This is a picture. 70 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:19,100 This is my husband Kevin. - [Steve] Okay. 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,480 [Lisa] Our son Steele. 72 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:22,340 Now things are so bad here, 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,180 Steele won't live in the house. 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,033 So we actually have him living in a separate place on the property here. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,146 So, Lisa, do me a favor 76 00:04:31,166 --> 00:04:33,647 and give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 77 00:04:33,667 --> 00:04:37,856 When we're here, we all feel a heavy presence. - [Steve] Okay. 78 00:04:37,876 --> 00:04:42,046 [Lisa] We see shadow figures. It's become physical. 79 00:04:42,066 --> 00:04:44,656 And now, unfortunately, it's affecting our health. 80 00:04:44,676 --> 00:04:48,128 What's going on with the health? What's the problem? 81 00:04:48,148 --> 00:04:51,600 Well, when we moved here, maybe within six months' time, 82 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:56,080 Kevin, my husband, was diagnosed with cancer. 83 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,467 What kind of cancer did your husband come down with? 84 00:04:58,487 --> 00:05:00,767 Kidney cancer. - [groans] All right. 85 00:05:00,787 --> 00:05:02,416 Um, how's he doing now? 86 00:05:02,436 --> 00:05:04,046 [Lisa] He's recovered. 87 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:06,073 [Steve] So, Lisa, you mentioned on the phone 88 00:05:06,093 --> 00:05:08,100 that when you guys started doing renovations, 89 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,367 that's when things went haywire. 90 00:05:09,387 --> 00:05:10,980 What was it like here? 91 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,000 When we first came to the property, this was a wooden shack. 92 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:17,667 I mean, did you take pictures? 93 00:05:17,687 --> 00:05:19,266 We did. Let me show you. 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,980 My husband did almost all of the work by hand. 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,307 [Steve] So do you think this is what stirred everything up? 96 00:05:33,327 --> 00:05:36,634 I definitely think that it had something to do with it. 97 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:38,266 Okay. 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,033 [Lisa] There's a lot going on in this house. 99 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:47,100 The land is a big piece of this. It's huge. 100 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,266 It's a big deal. It's a big deal. 101 00:05:51,266 --> 00:05:53,156 I wouldn't be renovating anything here, 102 00:05:53,176 --> 00:05:55,066 I wouldn't be building anything on here, 103 00:05:55,086 --> 00:05:57,166 I wouldn't be digging into anything 104 00:05:57,186 --> 00:05:59,246 until they get to the bottom of it. 105 00:05:59,266 --> 00:06:03,480 What would they be looking at if they were to... 106 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:08,333 It just stirs the pot. It's stirs things up. It makes it worse. 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,634 Yeah, I don't like it. It's not good. 108 00:06:22,567 --> 00:06:25,166 [door creaking] 109 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,567 In the house, I start to feel physical problems 110 00:06:34,587 --> 00:06:37,634 like maybe dizzy, disoriented. 111 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,146 The woman that lives here? 112 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,533 Okay. Mmm-hmm. - [Cindy] The woman of the house? 113 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:45,734 She has to be really careful. 114 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:49,567 I just feel like there's a jealousy, there's a rage, 115 00:06:49,587 --> 00:06:52,634 there's a... from the spirit world onto her. 116 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:02,066 [Steve] Okay. So, Lisa, what's going on that you brought me in the kitchen? 117 00:07:02,086 --> 00:07:05,246 I get these awful thoughts that enter my mind. 118 00:07:05,266 --> 00:07:08,206 Okay, give me an example. What are we talking about? 119 00:07:08,226 --> 00:07:11,166 It's picking out a sweater to wear and thinking, 120 00:07:11,186 --> 00:07:12,547 "Oh, what should I wear today," 121 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:15,467 and something's saying, "Pick what you're gonna wear, 122 00:07:15,487 --> 00:07:16,934 'cause today you're gonna die." 123 00:07:17,367 --> 00:07:18,580 Really? - Yeah. 124 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,367 It makes you kind of feel like you're a little bit crazy. 125 00:07:21,387 --> 00:07:22,867 All right. So, is there anything else? 126 00:07:22,887 --> 00:07:24,380 Sometimes it just feels like 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,923 there's a heavy, dark blanket over everything. 128 00:07:28,943 --> 00:07:33,467 So we're talking about emotions, not physical? 129 00:07:33,487 --> 00:07:35,480 Guess it's a little bit of both. 130 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:37,280 Physical part, what's it feel like to you? 131 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:40,647 Feels almost like something's sitting on your chest. 132 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:44,867 It's almost like everything is slower and heavier and harder to do. 133 00:07:44,887 --> 00:07:46,900 [Steve] How about the mood? 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,934 Everything just feels dark. 135 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:50,834 Okay. 136 00:07:53,266 --> 00:07:55,667 [Cindy] Something is so off about this room. 137 00:07:55,687 --> 00:07:58,780 It feels... so off. 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,423 And then there's something else. 139 00:08:01,443 --> 00:08:04,046 It feels like a black mass. 140 00:08:04,066 --> 00:08:06,233 It feels connected to the land. 141 00:08:07,266 --> 00:08:08,547 It feels oppressive. 142 00:08:08,567 --> 00:08:12,266 It feels like people will wake up in the middle of the night, 143 00:08:12,286 --> 00:08:15,880 and they feel like something is on their chest. 144 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:19,567 They might feel something sitting down next to them on the bed. 145 00:08:19,587 --> 00:08:21,447 Or feel, like you know, a presence. 146 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:24,667 You know when a spirit sits on the bed and it makes an indentation? 147 00:08:24,687 --> 00:08:27,947 - Okay. - So I feel like people have seen that. 148 00:08:27,967 --> 00:08:30,046 They're laying there and like, "What's happening?" 149 00:08:30,066 --> 00:08:32,934 I'm seeing an indentation, there's a spirit sitting on the bed with me. 150 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,767 [Steve] Okay, Lisa, so this is your bedroom. 151 00:08:40,787 --> 00:08:42,146 Okay, so what's going on? 152 00:08:42,166 --> 00:08:44,573 This is the room where we get touched. 153 00:08:44,593 --> 00:08:46,336 It's usually our legs or our feet. 154 00:08:46,356 --> 00:08:48,100 [Steve] How often is that happening? 155 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,650 It's a couple times a week. 156 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:51,180 And what else is going on? 157 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,367 It's hard to explain, but it seems to be that there is a woman. 158 00:08:55,387 --> 00:08:59,117 It's like I feel her, and we hear her. We never see her. 159 00:08:59,137 --> 00:09:02,867 What makes you think it's a female if you can't see her? 160 00:09:02,887 --> 00:09:04,934 Because we hear a female voice. 161 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:08,600 All right, so can you make out what she's saying? 162 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:09,767 So... 163 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,580 Most of the time, I can't. 164 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,347 But there are occasions where I can make out some of it. 165 00:09:15,367 --> 00:09:20,767 So I have kept this notepad by my bed and write down, scribble words 166 00:09:20,787 --> 00:09:22,667 that I feel like I have heard from her. 167 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:23,680 Okay. 168 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,400 This one just says "Can't live like this." 169 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:28,847 This one, "Remember me." 170 00:09:28,867 --> 00:09:31,500 Okay. We're here, we're gonna do this investigation. 171 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,000 What are you hoping you can get out of it? 172 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:34,647 Hope we get our lives back. 173 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:37,000 Hope we get the house back that we wanted. 174 00:09:37,020 --> 00:09:39,467 It doesn't feel like it's our house. 175 00:09:39,487 --> 00:09:41,100 Hopefully, we can change that. 176 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,533 I hope so. 177 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:49,834 I'm seeing a woman and she's active in the house. 178 00:09:50,166 --> 00:09:52,033 She's very fast. 179 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:57,100 But it's strange because I see her, like, shifting. 180 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,880 It feels like a shapeshifter. 181 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:02,233 Sometimes people will see a woman, she might come as a mist. 182 00:10:05,367 --> 00:10:08,867 The woman spirit is super active in this area. 183 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:11,280 Does she get physical at all? 184 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,667 I feel like people might feel touched by her. 185 00:10:13,687 --> 00:10:15,647 Might feel a little bit of a push. 186 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:19,207 Especially breathing or something breathing like in the ear. 187 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:22,767 She's just very aggressive, in the sense, energetically. 188 00:10:22,787 --> 00:10:25,347 She doesn't have boundaries. 189 00:10:25,367 --> 00:10:28,080 People can feel something behind them. 190 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,266 She'll make people really uncomfortable, give them anxiety. 191 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:37,567 Can't breathe in here. Oh, my God. Wow. 192 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,747 This dead woman hates living people in her space. 193 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:45,834 She doesn't want me here, she doesn't want other people here. 194 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:47,756 And she's angry. 195 00:10:47,776 --> 00:10:49,233 That's how it feels. 196 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,934 Yeah. 197 00:11:11,066 --> 00:11:13,046 Hey, Kev. - Hey, what's up, Steve? 198 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:16,367 You got a minute to talk or are you busy? - Sure. No, I'm not busy. 199 00:11:16,387 --> 00:11:17,647 I was speaking to your wife earlier. 200 00:11:17,667 --> 00:11:20,400 She's convinced the paranormal's out of control in the house. 201 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:22,633 I mean, do you agree with that? 202 00:11:22,653 --> 00:11:24,847 I agree with it to a point. 203 00:11:24,867 --> 00:11:26,347 I'm still a little bit of a skeptic, 204 00:11:26,367 --> 00:11:31,000 but I try to talk myself out of the things that I'm seeing in there. 205 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:32,333 And how's that working out for you? 206 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,146 It's not. - Okay. 207 00:11:35,166 --> 00:11:37,066 What about experiences? Have you had any? 208 00:11:37,086 --> 00:11:39,080 Um, yes. I have been in bed 209 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:46,200 and I have felt something move my leg about six inches out of the way. 210 00:11:46,220 --> 00:11:48,283 You were in bed with your wife at this time? - Yes. 211 00:11:48,303 --> 00:11:50,347 Is it possible she touched you? Did you ask her? 212 00:11:50,367 --> 00:11:53,100 Oh, I asked her and she said she didn't touch me at all. 213 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,380 Okay. Anything else? 214 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Yeah. My wife and I will just be laying in bed, 215 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:01,667 and the whole, entire bed will shake for about ten seconds 216 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:02,747 and it'll stop. 217 00:12:02,767 --> 00:12:04,107 All right, so we're in earthquake country. 218 00:12:04,127 --> 00:12:05,447 Is it possible that could have been it? 219 00:12:05,467 --> 00:12:08,367 No, I've gone online and checked the TV and everything, 220 00:12:08,387 --> 00:12:09,447 and there's no earthquakes. 221 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:11,367 Okay, so, you had that happen in the bed. 222 00:12:11,387 --> 00:12:12,647 Anything else? 223 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:16,467 Yeah, I have been seeing an apparition outside my living room window. 224 00:12:16,487 --> 00:12:18,146 [Steve] Okay. Can you describe it to me? 225 00:12:18,166 --> 00:12:23,767 Yeah, it's all black, and it shows from its chest to its head, 226 00:12:23,787 --> 00:12:25,747 and it's wearing a cowboy hat. 227 00:12:25,767 --> 00:12:27,046 What kind of a sense are you getting? 228 00:12:27,066 --> 00:12:29,734 Do you think it's curious? Is it just staring at you? 229 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:36,080 I think it thinks that this property is his, maybe. 230 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:39,800 And he's just always walking around it to say, "Hey, this is mine." 231 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:40,980 Okay. 232 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,680 So, another thing you can't explain. 233 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:46,367 Yes. So, we just need to get to the bottom of it. 234 00:12:46,387 --> 00:12:47,467 Okay. 235 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:55,834 [Cindy] I see this man walking up this pathway. 236 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,180 He works on the land. 237 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,580 He looks almost like a farmer. 238 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,800 Or somebody that would have worked with his hands. 239 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:06,266 He's very connected to this property. 240 00:13:07,667 --> 00:13:10,157 Does he have any interaction with the living? 241 00:13:10,177 --> 00:13:13,111 I feel like he can be aggressive towards people 242 00:13:13,131 --> 00:13:16,066 who he doesn't feel are respecting the land. 243 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,747 You know, people might see him walking by 244 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:23,233 or see something out of the corner of their eye from inside. 245 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:25,967 And that's him. 246 00:13:26,467 --> 00:13:27,647 Yeah. 247 00:13:27,667 --> 00:13:31,100 So I feel like they feel like something's coming behind them. 248 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,347 Like they're being rushed. 249 00:13:32,367 --> 00:13:35,667 If I'm walking this way, I would feel somebody behind me 250 00:13:35,687 --> 00:13:37,266 kind of nudging me or pushing me. 251 00:13:37,286 --> 00:13:38,767 [Matthew] Okay. - Yeah. 252 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:47,867 [Steve] So, Steele, I understand you used to sleep here? 253 00:13:48,467 --> 00:13:49,447 Yeah. 254 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:51,200 And you won't sleep here anymore? 255 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:53,347 No. No, I hate sleeping here. 256 00:13:53,367 --> 00:13:55,107 The activity's pretty bad I imagine, 257 00:13:55,127 --> 00:13:56,847 if you're not gonna sleep here anymore. 258 00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:59,700 Yeah. Every time I slept in here is why I would get nightmares. 259 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,747 What kind of nightmares? 260 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:02,246 Every single time I have the nightmares, 261 00:14:02,266 --> 00:14:05,266 it's someone trying to get in here and trying to attack me. 262 00:14:05,286 --> 00:14:07,066 Can you see who's trying to attack you? 263 00:14:07,086 --> 00:14:08,880 A really tall figure. 264 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:12,747 I'm talking like taller than this ceiling. Like seven and a half feet. 265 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:16,700 The same shadow figure that I see in my dreams, I see when I'm awake as well. 266 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,447 Okay. Does it look exactly the same? 267 00:14:18,467 --> 00:14:21,380 Exactly the same, and it was looking right at me. 268 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,200 All right. Now you're sure you still weren't dreaming it? 269 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:24,347 No. No. 270 00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:25,880 [Steve] You were definitely awake? - Definitely awake. 271 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:28,000 Are you taking anything that may give you weird dreams or anything like that? 272 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:29,146 No. 273 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,456 All right. So, you're having nightmares. Anything else? 274 00:14:31,476 --> 00:14:33,767 Whenever I'm in this house, I feel incredibly drained. 275 00:14:33,787 --> 00:14:35,767 Like something is pulling on me. 276 00:14:35,787 --> 00:14:37,747 You feel like you're just tired 277 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:40,757 or you feel depressed or anxiety or anything like that? 278 00:14:40,777 --> 00:14:43,767 Anxiety and just being like I don't want to do anything. 279 00:14:43,787 --> 00:14:45,246 I just feel stuck. 280 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:46,847 What do you think is causing it? 281 00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:49,423 I think that there's something here that doesn't want us here. 282 00:14:49,443 --> 00:14:52,000 This place is very old, the land is very old. - [Steve] Right. 283 00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:54,100 I think it's just someone who's so attached to the land 284 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,880 and doesn't know how to move on. 285 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,467 And wants it back. - It wants it back. Yeah. 286 00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,200 Okay. 287 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:12,433 When I come in here, I immediately feel depression, anxiety, confusion. 288 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,934 It's being caused by this dark energy. 289 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:22,573 I feel like there's a young man in here. 290 00:15:22,593 --> 00:15:24,880 A living person? Okay. - A living person. 291 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:29,000 It's night terrors, things like that can happen, you know? 292 00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:31,934 The depression, it concerns me. 293 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:37,433 It feeds off of chaos and it feeds off of other people's pain. 294 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,680 It's trying to create discord, 295 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:42,780 rifts in families, miscommunications, 296 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,667 like all those things because it feeds off of that. 297 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:48,467 That's how it gets energy. 298 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,900 [Steve] So one of the first things I do when I start an investigation 299 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,700 is figure out who the original owner of the property was. 300 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,880 In this case, I got a surprise. 301 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,173 Turns out Lisa's house was part of a ranch 302 00:16:00,193 --> 00:16:02,447 owned by a famous Polish actress. 303 00:16:02,467 --> 00:16:04,146 When I called the local historian, 304 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:07,934 she told me the woman had a tragic life I definitely need to know about. 305 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,967 So, Hadley, thanks for helping me out with this case. 306 00:16:16,987 --> 00:16:19,400 So this famous actress, who was she? 307 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:21,780 Her name was Helena Modjeska 308 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,347 and she was born in Kraków, Poland. 309 00:16:24,367 --> 00:16:27,347 She was discovered by an older actor named Gustav 310 00:16:27,367 --> 00:16:31,300 who first became her guardian and then became her husband. 311 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Okay, so this canyon was named after her. 312 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:34,480 That's right. 313 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,100 All right, so this guy was her guardian, now he's her husband. 314 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,883 Right, did they start a family at all? 315 00:16:38,903 --> 00:16:40,647 They did. They have a son named Ralph, 316 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,973 and then they have a daughter named Marylka. 317 00:16:43,993 --> 00:16:47,300 But she sadly dies when she's two in 1865. 318 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,000 She must have taken that hard, right? 319 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:50,250 I mean, it's her only daughter. 320 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:51,480 It did. It devastated her. 321 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:54,567 And she also said that once her daughter passed away, 322 00:16:54,587 --> 00:16:57,467 her husband ran off and she never saw him again. 323 00:16:57,487 --> 00:16:58,980 Really? - [Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 324 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,266 Okay, so now she's alone. She's a single mom. 325 00:17:01,286 --> 00:17:03,080 And this is the 1800s. 326 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:04,467 Does she ever get remarried? 327 00:17:04,487 --> 00:17:05,547 She does, yeah. 328 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:07,300 Three years later, she marries the love of her life, 329 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,146 this guy named Count Bozenta, 330 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:12,567 and they become a really fashionable couple in Poland. 331 00:17:12,587 --> 00:17:14,266 So at what point do they come to America? 332 00:17:14,286 --> 00:17:16,680 They come to America in 1876 333 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:19,390 because the Count had these fantastic dreams 334 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:22,100 of living this Wild West fantasy in California. 335 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:23,747 All right. So now they're in America. 336 00:17:23,767 --> 00:17:25,900 When did they wind up buying my client's property? 337 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,200 So she becomes an American citizen, 338 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:30,480 and then they buy this property in 1888 339 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:34,580 in this area that was then known as Santiago Canyon. 340 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,347 [Steve] So this is here? In this area? - [Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 341 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:41,166 Well, it sounds like she had a good life here in America. Am I missing something? 342 00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:42,780 No, she had a really happy life here, 343 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,700 but, you know, you never get over losing a toddler 344 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,550 and I'm sure she missed home. 345 00:17:46,570 --> 00:17:48,380 But the problem was, in 1893, 346 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,947 five years after she buys Modjeska Canyon, 347 00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:56,367 she is permanently banished from Poland for speaking out against the Russians there. 348 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,667 [Steve] That had to kill her. 349 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:00,980 Okay, so what happened? 350 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,023 She has a stroke in 1897. - Okay. 351 00:18:03,043 --> 00:18:05,046 And then they lose all their money, 352 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,356 so she has to sell the property in 1906. 353 00:18:07,376 --> 00:18:09,667 Then she's diagnosed with Bright's disease, 354 00:18:09,687 --> 00:18:11,367 which is a form of kidney disease. 355 00:18:11,387 --> 00:18:15,447 - Oh. - And she dies in 1909 at the age of 68. 356 00:18:15,467 --> 00:18:18,667 So for the most part, even though she lost a child, which is devastating, 357 00:18:18,687 --> 00:18:20,347 looks like she had a good life here. 358 00:18:20,367 --> 00:18:24,180 Absolutely, but I think there was a murder on the property while she owned it. 359 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,767 So you might wanna check that out. 360 00:18:25,787 --> 00:18:26,767 Really? - [Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 361 00:18:26,787 --> 00:18:28,066 Okay. 362 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,457 [Cindy] I'm seeing that dead lady again. 363 00:18:33,477 --> 00:18:35,834 She's really angry that she's dead. 364 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:38,747 This is her house. 365 00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:42,373 It's like people don't get to be happy in her house. 366 00:18:42,393 --> 00:18:45,980 But I feel that she lost something by being here. 367 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,867 It came out that she left her family to be here. 368 00:18:49,887 --> 00:18:51,780 She wasn't meant to stay here, 369 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,656 and she's angry and feels lonely. 370 00:18:53,676 --> 00:18:55,533 She wants to be with her daughter. 371 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:59,180 And the name Mary just came to me, too. 372 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,533 She doesn't want other people to be happy until she can be happy. 373 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:07,634 I don't like it. It's not good. 374 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,847 [Steve] Hadley mentioned there was a murder right on Lisa's property. 375 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:19,400 So I reached out to a retired LAPD sergeant I've worked with before, 376 00:19:19,420 --> 00:19:21,146 and asked her to look into it for me. 377 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:25,100 She did some digging and said it was a completely senseless homicide. 378 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,433 The whole thing was over $2.50. 379 00:19:27,453 --> 00:19:29,767 This I gotta hear about. 380 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,467 Cheryl, thanks for helping me out again. It's good to see you. 381 00:19:37,487 --> 00:19:38,647 No worries. 382 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:40,667 All right. So this murder, what do we know about the victim? 383 00:19:40,687 --> 00:19:42,280 Captain William McKelvey 384 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,100 was a foreman at the Modjeska Ranch in the 1890s. 385 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,867 Described as a peaceful, quiet guy. 386 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,447 Very popular. 387 00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,166 And here's a drawing of him. 388 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,940 All right. So, from what you're saying, 389 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,480 this sounds like a really nice guy. 390 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,900 So how the hell did he wind up being a murder victim? 391 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,447 Back in the 1890s, there was a poll tax 392 00:20:00,467 --> 00:20:04,200 that every male resident of Orange County was required to pay. 393 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:07,847 So in July of 1892, one of the workers on the ranch, 394 00:20:07,867 --> 00:20:12,400 a man by the name of Francisco Torres, refused to pay the poll tax. 395 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,700 All right, so how much was this tax? 396 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,934 It was $2.50. 397 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,780 Okay. 398 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,190 So, the murder. What happened? 399 00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:21,378 Okay, so it's July 30, 1892. 400 00:20:21,398 --> 00:20:23,547 Payday on the ranch. - Okay. 401 00:20:23,567 --> 00:20:27,467 Torres looks at his wages, he realizes he's short. 402 00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:30,200 Normally he would get $9 for a week's pay. 403 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:31,266 He gets 6.50. 404 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,146 He's livid. 405 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:35,166 He immediately confronts McKelvey, and he's like, 406 00:20:35,186 --> 00:20:37,347 "Hey, where's my $2.50? 407 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:38,847 I want all of my money." - Right. 408 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:40,680 McKelvey just, kind of, brushes him off, 409 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,400 and he turns to go feed the chickens on the ranch. 410 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:45,083 Torres is not having any of that. 411 00:20:45,103 --> 00:20:46,767 He follows him. He follows him. 412 00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:48,980 And he picks up a pickaxe. 413 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,867 He hits him in the head with a pickaxe 'cause he's still hot about that money. 414 00:20:52,887 --> 00:20:54,767 Right. - Then he gets a knife. 415 00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:56,480 He stabs him in the heart. 416 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,200 Okay. - He grabs his coin purse, 417 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:59,747 and then he takes off. 418 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,834 Okay. - And here's the article. 419 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,166 All right. So now we got this Torres on the run. What happens? 420 00:21:07,186 --> 00:21:11,066 On August 9th, a constable in San Diego County 421 00:21:11,086 --> 00:21:13,600 locates Torres and arrests him. 422 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:14,850 Does he go to trial? 423 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:16,080 Well, not exactly. 424 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,380 Remember, I told you, McKelvey was very well liked. 425 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,066 And so all of his friends and supporters showed up to the jail. 426 00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,146 They stormed the jail, they locked up the watchman. 427 00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:28,367 They grabbed Francisco Torres, and they took him out back, 428 00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:31,347 and they hung him over a telephone pole. 429 00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:33,373 This was the very first time in Orange County 430 00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:35,400 that there was an extra-judicial lynching. 431 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,166 And it made news as well. 432 00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,567 [Steve] Okay. Is this Torres here? 433 00:21:40,587 --> 00:21:41,580 [Cheryl] Yeah. 434 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,634 Now you got two dead men over $2.50. 435 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,967 So senseless. - Yeah. 436 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:52,133 [Cindy] This black mass is the biggest threat here. 437 00:21:54,567 --> 00:21:57,467 It's been here, and it creates things. 438 00:21:57,487 --> 00:21:59,280 It wants bad things to happen 439 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,333 because that's how it gets stronger. 440 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,333 [door creaking] 441 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,947 I feel like the energy that's affecting people here, 442 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:19,467 it's almost like this force can make somebody's personality change 443 00:22:19,487 --> 00:22:22,600 to the point where they can almost become somebody different. 444 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:24,180 Or they can lose time, 445 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,066 feeling like two different people sometimes. 446 00:22:27,086 --> 00:22:29,033 Like, that's another thing I'm sensing. 447 00:22:29,053 --> 00:22:30,980 So, it feeds off of people's fear, 448 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,540 it feeds off of people's anxiety, 449 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,100 it feeds off of when people get sick 450 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,680 or get physically ill. 451 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:41,680 It's almost like that's what's causing a lot of problems 452 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:45,767 for people that come here, people that live here, people that visit here 453 00:22:45,787 --> 00:22:47,934 to the point where people could die. 454 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:51,967 And it continues to grow. 455 00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:54,457 For more information on the show, 456 00:22:54,477 --> 00:22:55,947 and if you need us to investigate 457 00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:58,600 any unexplained paranormal activity in your home... 458 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,447 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 459 00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:05,166 Click on "Help me Dead Files" to submit your story, 460 00:23:05,186 --> 00:23:06,634 and we'll help if we can. 461 00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:11,873 [Steve] So far, I have a family being torn apart 462 00:23:11,893 --> 00:23:14,180 by paranormal activity in their dream home 463 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,066 on a property where a brutal murder took place. 464 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,734 But I need to see if there's anything else. 465 00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:24,447 Searching through old records, 466 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:26,680 I find a brutal Native American massacre 467 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,166 that took place close to my client's property. 468 00:23:30,467 --> 00:23:34,066 I reached out to a local author who knows all about this tragedy. 469 00:23:34,086 --> 00:23:36,967 He tells me it wasn't about land, but horses. 470 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:46,367 Well, Christian, thanks for helping me out and meeting with me. 471 00:23:46,387 --> 00:23:48,647 So, you mentioned the tribe here was called the Tongva. 472 00:23:48,667 --> 00:23:52,000 So, am I safe to assume that they'd gotten into a beef with settlers? 473 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:54,467 Yes. There was a group back then of American settlers 474 00:23:54,487 --> 00:23:57,066 led by a guy named William Wolfskill. 475 00:23:57,086 --> 00:23:59,246 That's Wolfskill himself. 476 00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:00,767 [Steve] Now, Christian, you mentioned on the phone 477 00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,246 that this massacre was over horses, 478 00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,767 and I'm assuming that's why we're standing by the stables here. 479 00:24:04,787 --> 00:24:05,747 Exactly. 480 00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:08,900 The Tongva, allegedly, were fond of, of horse meat. 481 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,080 So they would steal the Mexicans' horses. 482 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,166 Okay. - To get on the good side of the Mexicans, 483 00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:15,947 Wolfskill decided that he was gonna 484 00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:18,767 track down the horse thieves and teach them a lesson. 485 00:24:18,787 --> 00:24:20,046 Okay. So what happens next? 486 00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:24,100 Wolfskill and his crew track the horses to Black Star Canyon, 487 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,020 right near here, 488 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,180 where they discover the Tongva 489 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,423 feasting on the horses around a campfire. 490 00:24:29,443 --> 00:24:31,667 Even though they're incredibly outnumbered, 491 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:33,467 they still proceed with the ambush. 492 00:24:33,487 --> 00:24:34,680 How did the ambush go? 493 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,547 They overwhelmed the Tongvas. 494 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:39,467 They tried fighting back, but their, their weapons were primitive. 495 00:24:39,487 --> 00:24:42,447 Bows and arrows, Spanish blunderbuss muskets. 496 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:46,266 No match for the modern rifles that they had coming at them. 497 00:24:46,286 --> 00:24:48,947 And so the injured Tongva left, 498 00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:50,547 leaving behind the dead and the dying. 499 00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,100 All right. So what wound up happening with the Tongva? 500 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,800 Did they stay, did they fight? What happened? 501 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:56,567 Tongva eventually leave. 502 00:24:56,587 --> 00:24:57,847 Then, in 1878, 503 00:24:57,867 --> 00:25:00,400 a company called the Black Star Coal Mining Company 504 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,880 discovers coal deposits in the area. 505 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,300 They open a mine at the mouth of the canyon. 506 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,747 Hence the name Black Star Canyon. 507 00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:10,767 They mine there for years, on and off, until the early 1900s. 508 00:25:10,787 --> 00:25:13,166 At which point, the whole operation shuts down. 509 00:25:13,186 --> 00:25:15,100 All right. So, Christian, I gotta assume, 510 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:16,300 even though the Tongva left, 511 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,480 there had to be still artefacts 512 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,447 and maybe remains in those mountains. 513 00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:22,166 [Christian] Many accounts of artefacts being discovered over the years, 514 00:25:22,186 --> 00:25:25,747 including a human skeleton that was discovered in 1938. 515 00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:28,400 Well, needless to say, I mean, there's a lot of blood in these mountains. 516 00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:30,183 Absolutely. There's a lot of history here, 517 00:25:30,203 --> 00:25:31,967 a lot of layers that you can comb through. 518 00:25:31,987 --> 00:25:33,747 And, uh, Black Star Canyon today 519 00:25:33,767 --> 00:25:35,347 is a favorite place for people to hike. 520 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,133 And many people, I'm sure, have no idea what went on back there. 521 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,547 [Matthew] This black mass, 522 00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:45,207 do you know if this thing was ever alive? 523 00:25:45,227 --> 00:25:47,867 Doesn't feel human to me. Feels inhuman. 524 00:25:47,887 --> 00:25:50,133 It feels connected to the land. 525 00:25:50,867 --> 00:25:52,767 I'm gonna do automatic writing in here. 526 00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,447 Automatic writing is a form of channeling. 527 00:25:57,467 --> 00:25:59,773 When I do it, I don't actually hear the dead, 528 00:25:59,793 --> 00:26:02,080 but they write their messages through me. 529 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,166 I put pen to paper and allow my hand to move. 530 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,634 The energy from the land is from a long time ago. 531 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:12,523 It's from below the ground. 532 00:26:12,543 --> 00:26:14,945 Something happened in the 1950s 533 00:26:14,965 --> 00:26:17,347 that really amplified everything. 534 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:20,373 So the people that are building or digging on this land, 535 00:26:20,393 --> 00:26:23,400 they don't respect the land, they don't understand the land. 536 00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:26,400 There is a dig that happened, and it broke... 537 00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:28,280 It, like, opened something up. 538 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,467 Like, opened a portal. It did something 539 00:26:30,487 --> 00:26:33,066 that unleashed this mass. 540 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,600 I saw a lot of really dangerous things in the course of this walk. 541 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,367 But the dead woman sneaking up on the living person, 542 00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:48,847 that has me really concerned. 543 00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:51,556 I saw an image of a woman, who is alive, 544 00:26:51,576 --> 00:26:54,246 doing dishes, staring out the window. 545 00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:57,967 Okay. - Behind her, I saw a dead, older woman. 546 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:03,166 She was about the same height as the woman looking out of the window. 547 00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:04,980 Her hair was silver, 548 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,867 and it was about shoulder length. 549 00:27:06,887 --> 00:27:08,447 Like, to here. 550 00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,433 She felt really angry, she felt aggressive. 551 00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:17,207 Next, I had the artist sketch a black mass 552 00:27:17,227 --> 00:27:19,847 hovering over a living person in bed. 553 00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:23,400 I saw the woman waking up in the middle of the night. 554 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:25,533 And the mass was so thick that she is... 555 00:27:25,553 --> 00:27:27,667 Almost like it was taking her breath away. 556 00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:30,367 More, like, a mist or, like, a smoke? 557 00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:32,767 It was dense, black energy. 558 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,367 Cindy, is this what you saw? 559 00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:45,734 That's exactly what I saw. 560 00:27:54,967 --> 00:27:58,100 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations, 561 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,333 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 562 00:28:01,066 --> 00:28:03,146 and our clients for the first time. 563 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:06,380 So, Cindy, I want you to meet Lisa and Kevin. 564 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,800 They live here on this beautiful property with their son, Steele, 565 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,547 who's 19. That's him in the middle. 566 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:15,400 Now, these guys put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this place. 567 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:18,266 It was supposed to be their forever home, but we're here. 568 00:28:18,286 --> 00:28:20,083 So, you can imagine, they're having 569 00:28:20,103 --> 00:28:21,941 a hell of a time with the paranormal. 570 00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:23,780 Now, these guys aren't asking for much. 571 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,023 They just wanna go back to living a peaceful life. 572 00:28:26,043 --> 00:28:28,411 And they don't know whether they can do it here 573 00:28:28,431 --> 00:28:30,989 or if it's gonna have to be someplace else. 574 00:28:31,009 --> 00:28:33,567 So, Cindy can start telling us about her walk, 575 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:35,533 and maybe figure things out. 576 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:42,500 [Cindy] There's a dead woman who is very active. 577 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,966 She's very aggressive, she's angry. 578 00:28:45,986 --> 00:28:49,433 And she feels like this is her house. 579 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,146 She doesn't want other people here. 580 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:57,300 She felt like something had been taken from her in life. 581 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,647 That she had been forced to be on the land. 582 00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:03,700 She kept saying to me, "I wanna find my daughter. 583 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,980 I can't find my daughter. 584 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,773 I wanna be connected with my daughter." 585 00:29:07,793 --> 00:29:10,567 I kept hearing the name Mary over and over. 586 00:29:10,587 --> 00:29:13,880 Mary, Mary, Mary. 587 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,100 You guys probably know this history, but Cindy doesn't. 588 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,780 The original owner of the land 589 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,867 was a famous Shakespearean actress named Helena Modjeska. 590 00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:26,100 The whole area, Modjeska Canyon, is named after her. 591 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,447 She originally came from Kraków, Poland. 592 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:31,266 Her first husband was an older actor who discovered her. 593 00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:32,980 They had two kids. 594 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,667 A son named Ralph and a daughter named Marylka. 595 00:29:35,687 --> 00:29:37,547 So that's the Mary. - [Cindy] Hmm. 596 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:40,447 Marylka tragically died at the age of two. 597 00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:43,166 This happened in Poland so we have no access to the records. 598 00:29:43,186 --> 00:29:45,547 We don't know what the cause of death was. 599 00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:48,767 We do know that after the baby died, the husband skipped town. 600 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:52,000 Few years later, she remarried a guy named Count Bozenta. 601 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:53,647 And they moved here to the US. 602 00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:57,066 In 1888, they bought a huge piece of land here in the canyon, 603 00:29:57,086 --> 00:29:59,046 which includes your house. 604 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:02,567 Actually, I have a photo of it, uh, with her in it. 605 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,367 Now, she never really got over the loss of her daughter 606 00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:07,947 or being away from Poland. 607 00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:10,667 In 1893, she was banned from ever returning to Poland 608 00:30:10,687 --> 00:30:13,100 after speaking out against the Russian leaders. 609 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,450 And her health went downhill after that. 610 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:18,108 And she died in 1909 from Bright's disease, 611 00:30:18,128 --> 00:30:20,767 a catch-all for kidney disease back then. 612 00:30:20,787 --> 00:30:22,547 She was only 68 years old. 613 00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:26,834 Here's a photo of her from when she was a young actress. 614 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,333 Could this possibly be the woman you saw? 615 00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:34,667 I'm 100% sure it's her. 100%. 616 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,880 - [Steve] You guys have heard of her, right? - [Lisa] Yes. 617 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,590 We finally toured her home 618 00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:45,280 probably six months ago. 619 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,500 As I toured her home, there are so many similarities 620 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,166 of the things I have done in my house. 621 00:30:53,186 --> 00:30:55,200 And it was just weird. - Yeah. 622 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:56,847 This is her home, to her. 623 00:30:56,867 --> 00:31:00,100 She... She doesn't want other people in her home. 624 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,834 And she's making it her home through you. 625 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,567 Now, is that the only way she's interacting with them? 626 00:31:09,587 --> 00:31:10,634 So, no. 627 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,800 I feel like people might feel touched by her. 628 00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:17,480 People can feel something behind them. 629 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,734 She'll make people really uncomfortable, give them anxiety. 630 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,967 Now, you were touched. 631 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:25,934 Tell her about that. 632 00:31:26,066 --> 00:31:27,146 [Lisa] Yeah. 633 00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:28,680 Some days, it feels like fingers, 634 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,080 and some days, it feels like a pressure. 635 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:35,367 Like something would sit on the back side of me and, kind of, push. 636 00:31:35,387 --> 00:31:38,066 [Steve] Tell Cindy how you write down what she says to you. 637 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,700 She sits at the foot of the bed, 638 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,633 and then I tell my husband, 639 00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,547 "I hear her, I hear her." 640 00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:47,480 And... And so my husband said, 641 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,166 "You have to get a notebook." - [Steve] Yes. 642 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,867 So, this is it. 643 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200 [Lisa] So, I wrote things she says. 644 00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:57,266 "I can't live like this. 645 00:31:57,286 --> 00:31:58,634 Remember me." 646 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,947 I think you're very psychic, 647 00:32:02,967 --> 00:32:05,166 and I think you're also a medium. 648 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,767 And I think that this woman has, uh, 649 00:32:09,787 --> 00:32:12,146 a very strong influence on you. 650 00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:15,433 Even more than I think you are aware of. 651 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400 I had a sketch done about a scene that I saw with you 652 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:22,834 and the dead woman in the house in the kitchen. 653 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,533 Oof. It's a little creepy. - [Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 654 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,433 Oh, wow. 655 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,834 That would definitely be you. 656 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:44,166 I guess I feel so bad that she's angry, you know. 657 00:32:44,186 --> 00:32:47,647 I just feel like we put our heart into this. 658 00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:51,567 We brought back this place that is so magical. 659 00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:54,180 And to be angry at us 660 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,967 or, um, to want to harm us is just... 661 00:32:57,987 --> 00:32:59,634 It's heartbreaking. 662 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,266 I think one of the biggest issues here 663 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:10,767 has to do with the land. 664 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,146 I got the feeling that in the past, 665 00:33:14,166 --> 00:33:18,146 this land just wasn't respected by a lot of people. 666 00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:24,667 I felt that in the 1950s there had been some sort of construction there, 667 00:33:24,687 --> 00:33:27,680 where people had done some digging 668 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,100 without knowing what they were doing, without respect. 669 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,033 Basically, it stirred up a lot of energy. 670 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,967 I certainly wouldn't want to be doing renovations on this land. 671 00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:41,647 At all. 672 00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,266 Well, it's a little late for that. 673 00:33:43,286 --> 00:33:44,533 [Lisa chuckles] 674 00:33:45,467 --> 00:33:49,767 These guys did extensive, extensive renovations. 675 00:33:49,787 --> 00:33:51,433 That makes a lot of sense. 676 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:55,767 She was saying how the land is pissed and disrespected. 677 00:33:55,787 --> 00:33:58,500 So you should know there was a... massacre of Native Americans took place 678 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,380 in this area back in the 1800s. 679 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,623 Well, it happened at a spot called Black Star Canyon. 680 00:34:02,643 --> 00:34:04,867 Yes. - [Steve] Which is about seven miles from here. 681 00:34:04,887 --> 00:34:06,467 Less than seven miles. 682 00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,500 Now, you mentioned digging and disrespecting the land. 683 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,367 In 1878, an American company started mining coal 684 00:34:14,387 --> 00:34:17,080 on what was once sacred Tongva land. 685 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,080 [Kevin] Oh. - Oh, that makes so much sense. 686 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,190 Because I kept seeing digging, digging, digging. 687 00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:26,300 And I felt like the ground had been cracked open. 688 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,734 Something was cracked open. 689 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,146 This went on for about four decades. 690 00:34:31,166 --> 00:34:36,266 In 1938, the skeletal remains of a Tongva tribe member was found in the mountains. 691 00:34:36,286 --> 00:34:40,500 So, when you started talking about their land being angry, 692 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,166 do you think that could have anything to do with it? 693 00:34:43,186 --> 00:34:44,533 Absolutely. 694 00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:48,980 There's more. 695 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,867 So, really, I think the biggest threat to your safety, 696 00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:56,246 to your family 697 00:34:56,266 --> 00:35:00,023 is this black mass that's from the land. 698 00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:03,800 This is not human spirit. This is inhuman. 699 00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:05,233 It's never been human. 700 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,647 But it's powerful. 701 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:09,347 When the coal mining happened, 702 00:35:09,367 --> 00:35:11,300 and the ground was broken like that, 703 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,447 it created a monster, really. 704 00:35:13,467 --> 00:35:16,000 It can affect people in a lot of different ways. 705 00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:17,833 Depression, anxiety. 706 00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:19,667 It can make people sick. 707 00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:24,480 Heart attacks, cancer, illness. 708 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,747 About a year and a half ago, um, my wife came to me. 709 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:29,967 She says, "Kevin, you don't look very good. You look sick." 710 00:35:29,987 --> 00:35:31,547 So, I went to the doctor. 711 00:35:31,567 --> 00:35:34,667 And it turns out I had a tumor in my kidney. 712 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,667 So I had a, uh, part of my kidney removed. 713 00:35:38,687 --> 00:35:40,066 And it was cancerous. 714 00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:44,700 This mass, it can affect people psychologically. 715 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,000 It can really make them insane. 716 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:49,280 And when I was in the back house, 717 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,767 I sensed it was making a male teenager feel very depressed. 718 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,480 Anxiety. 719 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,667 [Steve] That's where Steele lives, their son. 720 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,066 I also saw that it was giving this kid night terrors. 721 00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:04,480 So, Lisa, if you can, 722 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,467 can you tell Cindy about Steele's nightmares? 'Cause he told me. 723 00:36:08,487 --> 00:36:12,300 So, they all involve a tall, shadow person, 724 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,380 uh, that he says is so tall 725 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,190 that when it stands outside his room, 726 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:21,980 it actually has to bend over to look in. 727 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,567 [Steve] Now, you said this thing can also cause depression and anxiety. 728 00:36:25,587 --> 00:36:28,700 Tell Cindy about the intrusive thoughts that you get. 729 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,647 I will just be standing there, 730 00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,847 picking out a sweater, doing a dish. 731 00:36:32,867 --> 00:36:36,500 But it's a thought that comes, and it will just say, 732 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,567 "Oh, pick a good one. You're gonna die today." 733 00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:40,680 [Cindy] Yeah. 734 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,400 In the main bedroom, I saw this mass interacting with the living. 735 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:47,400 I saw it putting pressure on the bed. 736 00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:49,447 Like, an indentation on the bed. 737 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:53,367 And I also saw it hovering over people while they're sleeping. 738 00:36:53,387 --> 00:36:54,647 [Kevin] Mmm. 739 00:36:54,667 --> 00:36:59,734 And I had a sketch drawn of the scene that I saw in the picture. 740 00:37:00,166 --> 00:37:01,206 You guys wanna see this? 741 00:37:01,226 --> 00:37:02,246 No. - [Kevin] No. 742 00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:03,533 [Lisa chuckles nervously] 743 00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:10,934 It's like something out of a movie. 744 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,166 Oh, wow. 745 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600 It looks like me. - [Kevin] Yeah, that is you. 746 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:21,680 Have you seen that? - [Lisa] Yes. 747 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,634 It just looks like this dark, like, blanket. 748 00:37:26,967 --> 00:37:30,980 Now, this sketch shows Lisa in bed, I'm assuming. 749 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,400 But it seems like, Kevin, you're having more experiences in the bed. 750 00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:36,647 Do me a favor and tell Cindy about 751 00:37:36,667 --> 00:37:39,300 what you told me when your leg was moving in bed. 752 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,647 I just laid down, and Lisa and I were next to each other, 753 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,967 and I just felt just a little bit of pressure, and it moved my leg. 754 00:37:44,987 --> 00:37:47,733 I didn't feel any hands, I didn't... 755 00:37:47,753 --> 00:37:50,500 I just felt something just move my leg. 756 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,980 [Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 757 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,467 You also mentioned the bed shaking. 758 00:37:53,487 --> 00:37:55,447 Just a little side by side. 759 00:37:55,467 --> 00:37:58,000 Just enough for you to notice. - [Cindy] Yeah. 760 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,000 It'll do it, and then it'll stop. 761 00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:01,980 Ten minutes later, it'll do it again. 762 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,266 And we experience this maybe once or twice a month. 763 00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:10,466 This dark mass is very, very dangerous. 764 00:38:10,486 --> 00:38:13,667 It can cause death. I believe that. 765 00:38:15,567 --> 00:38:18,333 This right here worries me more than anything. 766 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,433 I don't like this at all. 767 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,266 [Lisa sobs] 768 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,066 [Steve] Tonight, we found out why you guys are getting touched, 769 00:38:31,086 --> 00:38:32,967 why you guys are always feeling watched, 770 00:38:32,987 --> 00:38:34,714 and why you both got sick. 771 00:38:34,734 --> 00:38:36,867 But what we haven't answered is the big question. 772 00:38:36,887 --> 00:38:38,800 Is there anything you can do about it? 773 00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:40,880 And if so, what's it gonna take? 774 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,533 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to my partner, Cindy. 775 00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:51,166 We both know that you've put so much love into this house. 776 00:38:51,186 --> 00:38:52,246 Yeah. 777 00:38:52,266 --> 00:38:56,467 But this black mass, it didn't start when you got here. 778 00:38:56,487 --> 00:38:58,533 It's been here for a really long time. 779 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:02,239 But any time the ground is broken, 780 00:39:02,259 --> 00:39:04,333 any time there are renovations, 781 00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:07,000 it just gets stronger. 782 00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:08,367 It's not human. 783 00:39:09,567 --> 00:39:11,467 It's a force that I don't know that... 784 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:14,533 That can be stopped. 785 00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:23,734 I don't feel it's safe for you to stay. 786 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,867 I think it's best if you leave. 787 00:39:30,467 --> 00:39:33,033 Okay, I am just gonna speak for me. 788 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,080 I just don't feel like we will. 789 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,033 I don't know. I just have such a tie to this place. 790 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,734 Is that tie you or is it Helena? 791 00:39:44,567 --> 00:39:45,967 [Lisa] I don't know. 792 00:39:45,987 --> 00:39:47,367 How do I know? 793 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,790 So, if they do decide to stay, 794 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:56,580 is there anything they can do 795 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,723 to try to make it at least a little safer? 796 00:39:59,743 --> 00:40:02,867 Uh, the only thing that I could suggest, 797 00:40:02,887 --> 00:40:05,166 I do something called spirit art. 798 00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:06,647 Oh. 799 00:40:06,667 --> 00:40:12,867 And I drew who I believe to be a spirit guide, 800 00:40:12,887 --> 00:40:15,800 who is connected to the land and to you. 801 00:40:17,867 --> 00:40:18,900 Oh, wow. 802 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,867 [Cindy] So, at the very least, maybe you can hang him 803 00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,166 and talk to him. 804 00:40:26,367 --> 00:40:27,466 Okay. 805 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,567 This is a lot to take in. 806 00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:32,980 [Steve] As far as moving, 807 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,867 would you say you're not even gonna consider it 808 00:40:34,887 --> 00:40:36,667 or is it something you would consider? 809 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,046 I'd consider it. 810 00:40:39,066 --> 00:40:41,066 I just don't even know how to consider it. 811 00:40:41,086 --> 00:40:42,634 Your family is in danger. 812 00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:48,246 I don't want to get another phone call with you... 813 00:40:48,266 --> 00:40:51,000 Like the other day, when you were all scared, screaming, 814 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:52,133 running out of the house. 815 00:40:53,467 --> 00:40:55,233 Ultimately, it's your choice. 816 00:40:56,867 --> 00:40:59,033 But think about it. 817 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:03,033 It's just a house. - Okay. We're gonna think about it. 818 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,880 [Cindy] For the health and safety of her family, 819 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,467 I really hope Lisa comes around and decides to leave. 820 00:41:12,487 --> 00:41:14,780 If she does, I'm really confident 821 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,980 that this family will find a new home 822 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,634 where everybody will be safe and happy for many years to come. 823 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,447 Hey, Dead Files, it's Lisa. 824 00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:33,100 Wanted to update you on everything that's happened since you were here. 825 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,347 We assembled a pretty big team of experts 826 00:41:37,367 --> 00:41:41,200 to come out and read the land and clear the land. 827 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:44,347 We have had amazing success. 828 00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:48,467 And honestly, it's been wonderful, easy-going here, 829 00:41:48,487 --> 00:41:50,146 with no issues. 830 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:51,780 It's been pretty amazing. 831 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600 So thank you again for everything you did for us. 832 00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:57,547 And we are so, so happy 833 00:41:57,567 --> 00:42:00,200 to have been able to have this opportunity. 67466

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