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- I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers.

The Air Force interest in this problem

has been due to our feeling of an obligation

to identify anything in the air

that may have the possibility of threat or menace

to the United States.

Look at this thing.

They're all going against the wind,

the wind's 120 knots to the west.

Oh my gosh, dude.

Wow, look at that. - Oh, damn, look at.

There's another one.

This could be it.

- The highly anticipated hearing on Capitol Hill

about unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.

Be an unusual House oversight hearing

on what's being called unidentified aerial phenomena.

Both Republicans and Democrats

investigating the supernatural.

- Congress, which for years

has avoided this topic of unidentified phenomena,

will give it a big and bipartisan platform.

- So this was different,

this was different than anything

that had ever come before.

We had hearings on UFOs,

but this was the first time in history

you have people that are direct eyewitnesses,

or in one case, an actual whistleblower,

coming forward in front of Congress.

This was an official on-the-record testimony under oath.

You have Lieutenant Ryan Graves.

- I am a former F 18-pilot

with a decade of service in the US Navy,

including two deployments

in Operation Enduring Freedom

and Operation Inherent Resolve.

- Lieutenant Ryan Graves

is representing a whole bunch of pilots.

Flight safety, this whole idea of near misses,

things coming into our restricted airspace

that are unknown to us.

Then you have Commander David Fravor.

- I'm a retired commander in the United States Navy.

In 2004, I was a commanding officer

of Strike Fighter Squadron 41,

the world-famous Black Aces.

- Commander David Fravor not only saw a UFO,

he engaged a UFO for the United States military.

So you've got these three people,

last one being David Grusch.

- My name is David Charles Grusch,

I was an intelligence officer for 14 years.

I was my agency's co-lead

in unidentified anomalous phenomena

and transmedium object analysis,

as well as reporting to the UAP Task Force.

I believe strongly in the importance

of bringing this information before you.

I am driven by a commitment both to truth and transparency,

rooted in our inherent duty

to uphold the United States Constitution

and protect the American people.

- George Knapp and I fought hard

with a lot of others behind the scenes

to make sure that this hearing could happen.

I'd like people to understand the gravity of this.

It has been since the inception of the UFO problem,

"Nothing to see here,

move on," all of that.

All of that has changed.

All right, let's do this.

My name is Jeremy Corbell.

I'm an investigative journalist and a filmmaker.

And this has been an obsession of mine

is trying to get to the ground truth

of what UFOs represent to humanity.

- The two musketeers at the front lines of UFO disclosure.

- It is scary if that's true. Joe,

- I think you guys are.

- Jeremy's an interesting guy.

He's actually been doing this for a long time.

If you go back and look at the content

that's been being put out over the past 15 or so years,

Jeremy has been pursuing this topic doggedly

for a long time

and has been someone

who has really kept the fires burning,

even when there wasn't a ton of media attention out there.

And it's been really cool

to see him team up with George Knapp.

Who's really kind of an OG

of the UFO investigation world,

and to see the work

that they have been able to do together

and to see them finally be able to take this

across the finish line

was a pretty cool moment.

How's it going?

- Great. - All right, good.

Who are you from?

- From "Politico".

What are you expecting to come from out of the hearing?

- Well, more transparency on this topic.

It's long overdue.

- Morning. - Morning.

- George, pleasure.

Jeremy.

- Nice to see you.

- Thank you, Jeremy.

- Appreciate it.

- Thank you. - Are you one of

the witnesses, correct? - Yes.

- Yeah. - Thank you.

- Thank you, sir.

- Thank you. - Thank you, that's fine.

- Okay.

Three men who previously served in the military

are set to speak publicly

about what they saw in the sky

and heard behind closed doors.

- There's two big questions in this world,

what happens when we die and are we alone?

And the Pentagon's talking about one of 'em right now,

so it's interesting as hell.

The great deal of interest here,

the watch parties,

the people who will be lining up early

to try to go in person.

- I'd like to thank these three brave witnesses here.

They took an oath to uphold

the Constitution of the United States,

and dadgummit, they're doing it.

- What I personally witnessed myself

was very disturbing.

- The US is in possession of, quote,

"Non-human spacecraft."

- UAPs, whatever they may be,

may pose a serious threat

to our military or civilian aircraft.

- The incident was never investigated,

none of my crew were ever questioned.

Do you believe that our government

is in possession of UAPs?

- Absolutely, based on interviewing

over 40 witnesses over four years.

- Is there any indication that these UAPs

are interested in our nuclear technology and capabilities?

- Yes. - Oh, it's getting close.

Whoa, it's flashed. - It flashed.

Mark bearing and range?

- Were they human or non-human biologics.

- Non-human.

There's a whole fleet of 'em.

Look on the SA.

- Do you have any personal knowledge of people

who have been harmed or injured

in efforts to cover up

or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes.

Personally.

- Have you heard, have anyone been murdered?

- I have to be careful asking that question.

- The gravity for what's going on with UFOs right now

couldn't be more important.

There's no going back from this, man.

This is the moment that we define,

"Are we gonna have this conversation

or are we not?"

This is the first time you have people

that are there that have the impetus

to tell the American public the truth.

So how did we get here?

How did we get here today?

Pentagon's secret UFO program revealed

the military spending millions of dollars

to look into UFO sightings

and videos from American fighter pilots

all being made public.

The remarkable admission by the Pentagon

came as a result of reporting by "The New York Times",

which published a story of the mysterious UFO program

over the weekend.

- In 2017, two colleagues and I published

this front page Sunday "New York Times" piece

revealing for the first time that the Pentagon

was not out of the UFO business,

as it had long claimed,

but was really very much involved in tracking UFOs.

The article broke the news

that there was a secret unit,

which we called ATIP,

funded with $22 million in secret funding

to track and investigate encounters

between Navy jets and unknown objects.

That had been flying around carrier groups

on the West Coast and the East Coast,

and in some cases, were seen churning underwater.

- How surprised were you about this Pentagon program,

a surprise program with a $22 million budget?

- $22 million.

- This is the revelation that the conspiracy theorists

have been looking for all along,

that the government knows there are actually UFOs.

- Well, it's always impossible

to know what the conspiracy theorists

are thinking.

- The head of the program,

a man named Luis Elizondo,

who had long intelligence history and credentials,

had just submitted his resignation

to the Secretary of Defense

because he was being thwarted by superiors in the Pentagon.

- It was about the craziest thing that's happened

to the UFO community,

because what we had here

is we had some Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists

dropping this article.

And so suddenly, UFOs were something

that were being talked about seriously,

and the world kind of changed after that.

They're all going against the wind,

the wind's the wind's 120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

Tell us what the purpose of the program was

and why it was so secretive.

- The purpose of the program,

Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program,

was really designed to do just that,

from a national security perspective,

identify those things that we see.

- But there were those people,

especially on the web,

who tried to downplay and undercut the article,

but the government never succeeded, really,

in undermining the reporting we did.

It didn't fully endorse it,

it claimed, at some points,

that Lue Elizondo was not who he said he was.

We had checked him out thoroughly,

we had his performance records,

we had his whole intelligence history,

so we knew who our sources were

and we had vetted them thoroughly.

- Lue is a real patriot.

He's done some pretty powerful stuff

when it comes to moving this dialogue forward,

and sometimes at his own peril, at his own risk.

- Do you believe that life from somewhere else came here?

- There is very compelling evidence

that we may not be alone.

- It was very, very eye-opening

in terms of what was going on, basically,

under our noses.

We all thought UAP had been debunked years ago

as rubbish, as tripe.

We thought it was just like

a '60s or '50s issue of flying saucers

and little green men from Venus.

- So it was kind of an exciting story on many levels,

and it drew a tremendous reaction.

- The Pentagon now confirms

the existence of a secretive UFO program

tasked with investigating reports

of unidentified flying objects.

- We're alerting this morning

about a Pentagon program

that spent millions of dollars

to look into UFO sightings.

- The Pentagon ended funding,

but "The New York Times" reports

the program remains in existence.

- And mainstream media quickly picked up on the story.

Because we were treating it seriously

at "The New York Times",

it gathered somewhat more gravitas and seriousness.

- The articles in "The New York Times", 2017,

removed the stigma on the topic of UFOs,

which is why we're here today.

Those articles opened the door

for the government and public

that cannot be closed.

- That 2017 article really popped the bubble

for a lot of people.

Yeah, this is a fucking drone, bro.

There's a whole fleet of 'em,

look on the SA.

- The videos that we ran on "The New York Times" website,

the three videos of encounters

between these Navy jets and these objects,

it was sensational.

The videos were among the most watched ever

in the history of "The New York Times".

- But if there's a. - Look at this thing.

It's rotating.

- The US Navy has finally acknowledged

that videos appearing to show UFOs

flying through the air are real.

The several videos they're talking about

were recorded years ago by fighter pilots,

that, in 2017, they were made public

by "The New York Times".

- The Tic Tac, the Gimbal and the GoFast UFO.

Those three videos were kind of first exposure for people

that we have these unidentifieds

that are flying in restricted airspace.

- I would like to say that the Tic Tac object

we engaged in 2004

was far superior to anything

that we had on time, have today,

or looking to develop in the next 10 years.

- All of this was on a clear day

off the coast of California.

This is not wartime nerves,

this is not like pilot error,

this is not some sort of glitch in the radar system.

You've got a craft of unknown origin

that shouldn't be there.

Now, that is a big deal.

- These objects coming down from over 80,000 feet,

rapidly descending to 20,000 feet,

hanging out for hours,

and then going straight back up.

For those who don't realize,

above 80,000 feet is space.

- We talk about 80,000 feet,

that's a real sensitive thing.

Anything above 80,000 feet,

we're talking about satellite hardware,

that is some of the most protected assets

the United States military has.

- If the aircraft was armed,

do you believe that your aircraft

or any aircraft in possession of the United States

could've shot the Tic Tac down?

- I'd say no.

The technology that we faced

was far superior than anything that we had.

And there's nothing we can do about it,

nothing.

My gosh.

They're all going against the wind.

The wind's 120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

- The Gimbal video,

it is incredible to see

the mechanical rotation of this machine,

and you can hear the pilots

and their awe as they're watching this.

Yeah, this is a fucking drone, bro.

There's a whole fleet of 'em,

look on the SA.

My gosh.

They're all going against the wind,

the wind's 120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

- The Gimbal incident,

the recording on the ATFLIR system

shows a single object that rotates.

And you hear the pilots refer to a fleet of objects

that is not visible on the FLIR system.

It just goes to show how serious this is

and why this is such an important issue

for our pilots and for our nation.

- Navy pilots are the most trained observers we have,

millions of dollars is spent training these people.

So if they say they've seen something,

that counts for something special.

And that's why the Navy videos were so important,

because they captured, electronically,

things that, until then, were just anecdotal.

That's not an LNS though, is it?

It's not. - That is LNS, dude.

- Well, it's seriously. - Look at that thing.

It's rotating.

- Here's the part that people don't know.

There are four extra minutes to that Gimbal footage,

there's four extra minutes.

The Gimbal was not alone,

there was a V formation of UFOs in front of it.

Now, why has that not been released

to the American and the global public? Why?

We need to have this type of footage

in the scientific community's hands.

To cut footage off like that,

that was a choice.

It's rotating.

Look at that, dude.

Did you box a moving target?

No, I put it on auto-track.

Oh, okay.

Oh my gosh, dude.

- Wow. - Oh, look at that, man.

It's flying.

- So the GoFast is like the trilogy,

the GoFast video.

This is not a rare phenomenon.

Pilots are passing, seeing, catching on radar,

sometimes even locking on,

on a daily basis,

with these unknowns

that can outmaneuver our own craft.

Whoa, got it.

Woohoo.

Roger.

Let's go.

What the fuck is that?

Look at that, dude?

Did you box a moving target?

No, I put it on auto-track.

- The objects are performing maneuvers

that are unexplainable

due to our current understanding of our technology

and our capabilities as a country.

- Oh my gosh. - And that applies for

the military as well. - Dude.

- We've had 14 near misses with aircraft.

You're talking $50, $60, maybe $100-million aircraft

with some of the best trained men and women in the air.

That's serious,

and that's in our airspace.

- What percentage of UAP sightings, in your belief,

go unreported by our pilots?

- I would estimate we're somewhere near

5% reporting perhaps.

- They basically admitted there was nothing they could do

if the craft they encountered

turned out to be hostile,

there was no way they could defend themselves.

Now, think of that as you look up into the sky.

The Americans, being the greatest superpower

the Earth has ever known,

you don't have dominance of your own skies,

and the US Air Force does not want to admit that.

- So now the conversation is being had,

people started pushing to get more information out.

The stranglehold on the UFO issue

has always been with the intelligence agency.

I have sources in every single agency.

I'm not trying to brag about that, what I'm trying to do

is put the fear of fucking God into people.

That is fact, people are fed up.

People are fed up with keeping the secret.

- I actually wanna ask about UFOs.

Does the president believe in the existence of UFOs

and would he be interested

in restoring funding for that program?

- Somehow, that question hasn't come up

in our back and forth over the last couple days,

but I will check into that

and be happy to circle back.

- So one of the things you have as president

is the access to all the information

in the world. - Right.

- All the mysteries out there,

and I was just struck in the last couple weeks,

we're reading more and more reports of Navy pilots

seeing lots and lots of UFOs.

Have you been briefed on that? - Yeah.

- What do you make of it? - I have, I have.

And I did have one very brief meeting on it,

but people are saying they're seeing UFOs.

- We have presidents making overt comments

about the UFO phenomenon,

how seriously they take it.

There was a sea change,

you've got everybody talking about it.

- When it comes to the aliens,

there's some things I just can't tell you,

but what is true,

and I'm actually being serious here,

is that there's footage

and records of objects in the skies

that we don't know exactly what they are.

- When I was president,

we made every attempt to find out

everything about Roswell.

And we also sent people to Area 51

to make sure there were no aliens.

Another coffee-drop moment for me

was when Jimmy Kimmel showed some footage

that I had obtained and released

of military-filmed UAP

to George W Bush.

The first thing I would do

if I was president

is go right to the UFO files.

I wonder if you've seen this video

that has been verified by the Pentagon.

Would you be surprised

if we were visited by creatures from another planet?

Yeah.

- You would be surprised? - Wouldn't you be?

- Well, yeah. - Hell yeah.

They've been really hesitant to get specific

about what exactly they've been briefed on,

but they have been clear

that something strange is going on,

and it does sort of indicate

that maybe there's some sort of a messaging shift

going on behind the scenes.

- The truth is, we have found through our reporting

that presidents are not routinely brief.

Viewers might think that,

"Oh, as soon as somebody becomes president,

they're led into all the deepest secrets of the government,

including UFOs."

Well, that's not true.

What we found in our latest reporting

was that this information

is the most deeply held secrets

in the entire government,

and that includes from top officials,

including the president of the United States.

- The US government knows

something unexplained is out there.

The Pentagon has until late June to tell Congress

in an unclassified report

what it knows about unidentified flying objects.

- One of the critical moments

is when President Trump signed

to make the Pentagon do a report about UFOs,

and this was part of the Intelligence Authorization Act.

And that was a big moment,

that you had 180 days to put together a UFO report.

This is a bombshell.

Do you expect to see real answers in this report?

- Look, honestly, I don't think so, Jake.

Look, it takes 180 days to do a report,

it takes longer to remodel

a kitchen in your house sometimes.

- The long-awaited Pentagon report on UFOs

has finally been released.

Plenty of unidentified flying objects remain just that,

unidentified and mysterious.

- That UAP report was one of our first indications

that this was going to be a marathon and not a sprint,

and that there was a lot more work

that needed to be done here.

I mean, it was exciting because it was released

and it was released publicly,

but it's only about nine pages long,

including the cover page and the appendix.

It wasn't nearly the blockbuster

that people were hoping for.

- I was disappointed, like many other people,

because the stories I'd heard

and that we'd picked up on in our reporting

went way beyond that report.

- A lot of it was just them

sort of asking for more resources and more funding,

and talking about the problems

that they were having in collecting this data.

US government officials examined 144 reports

of UAPs like these,

and still don't know what 143 of them were.

The report

by the Office of National Intelligence

found no evidence they came from outer space.

- What did strike me

is that the reports said for the first time

that these objects are most likely real.

That was a big breakthrough,

the government had not said that before.

That was what the government

was probably long afraid of,

admitting that they didn't know what these things were.

Among the possibilities they considered,

secret US equipment,

a foreign adversary's advanced technology,

atmospheric conditions,

debris in the air,

or simply other.

- This idea that the phenomenon itself, the UFOs,

the physical manifestation of this, the craft,

that it's some sort of black project

or secret US technology,

it's bullshit, it's always been bullshit.

Oh my gosh.

Look at it, it's behind the tree, what is that?

- We've talked to the best experts available,

including fighter pilots themselves

who've gone up and seen these things

and said that there is nothing

that they're aware of that come close

to the aerodynamic possibilities these things have.

- Could these objects be spycraft

from another country?

What do you think?

- The bottom line is that we don't know.

- If it was Russia, they wouldn't be bogged down

in this worthless war in Ukraine.

If it was China, they would control everything we have,

more so than they already do.

- It's unimaginable because we've seen these things

since the 1930s.

So to think that the Chinese,

who had a famine back in the 1950s for instance,

would've also had anti-gravitic craft

that could display such capabilities,

it's just unfathomable really.

- That is not what we're talking about,

natural phenomenon.

That kills me.

It's like a distraction.

But sure, people can see

some natural weather phenomenon

and misidentify it as unidentified,

until it's known.

Sure, that can happen.

It's not what we're talking about.

Whoa, got it.

Woohoo.

- We're dealing with an actual physical object

that shows up on radar and other weapons systems.

I think we can safely rule those out

as being atmospheric phenomena.

They're all going against the wind.

The wind's 120 knots to the west.

- And these are our most highly trained observers,

we train them for millions of dollars,

we send them up against potential adversaries,

protecting our country,

they're not gonna be easily hoodwinked by flying trash.

- That's a mental-gymnastics thing

when you say, "Other," right?

I guess that's a good way to do it,

if you wanna just be completely broad with it.

- I think that's done to put people at ease,

not to spark potential panic,

because they don't know how the public's going to react.

If you put it out there

that there may be non-human intelligence,

that's a major risk.

It may upset a lot of people,

unnerve a lot of people,

and institutions as well, such as churches.

- I am as in the dark as you

about what UFOs truly represent to humanity.

I just know that we can exclude certain things.

And once we exclude those things,

those exotic possibilities,

those are the ones that truly excite me.

We know people misidentify things,

we're not talking about that.

We're talking about the important stuff, the other.

A report by this country's

top intelligence officials

acknowledges there have been 18 encounters

in which so-called unexplained aerial phenomena

demonstrate advanced technology.

- This ended up being disappointing for a lot of people

because it was only nine pages long

and we all believe that the UFO problem,

that it deserves more than that,

but it was a huge step forward,

'cause it's acknowledged,

it's right there in writing,

it was something that was demanded

and it was followed through on.

We've made leaps and we've made bounds since then,

but this was a critical moment

in how we got to where we are today.

- The report states

that some of these uncharacterized UAP

appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics

and require further analysis.

- From that Pentagon report,

all the way up to this important moment in Congress,

we had momentum.

- We begin with that historic UFO hearing

on Capitol Hill today, as we just said,

the bipartisan push for transparency

certainly decades in the making.

The nation watched gripping testimony of UAPs

and demands for greater transparency on this issue.

- This was, I think, a chance for the public to hear

what we, as reporters, had been hearing

from experts like that for a long time.

- Have you met with people with direct knowledge

or have direct knowledge yourself

of non-human origin craft?

- Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals.

- It was his duty, David Grusch,

it was his job at that time

to look for UFO, UAP exploitation programs,

legacy UFO programs.

And damn, did he find it.

- I was informed, in the course of my official duties,

of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

and reverse-engineering program.

- It was an earthquake.

And I can guarantee you

that it's gonna be documented in history books.

300 years from now,

a school kid is gonna be learning about that hearing.

For the first time,

you got to hear in Congress from a whistleblower,

and he is out there

telling Congress that there are programs, illegal programs,

that have been hidden from congressional oversight,

that relate to retrieval

and reverse-engineering of craft of non-human origin,

and the pilots as well.

That is earth shattering.

- Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

- Non-human, and that was the assessment of people

with direct knowledge on the program I talked to,

that are currently still on the program.

- I was speaking to a source recently,

he was at that hearing.

When David Grusch admitted or alleged

that there had been non-human biologics

retrieved from some of those craft,

you could hear a pin drop in that room.

- You've said that US has intact spacecraft,

you said that the government

has alien bodies or alien species,

have you seen the spacecraft?

I have to be careful to describe what I've seen firsthand

and not in this environment,

but I could answer that question behind closed doors.

- David Grusch spoke under oath.

If he's lying, he's going to jail, okay?

So that's a really, really big thing,

the fact that he spoke under oath.

- It's one thing for the government to say,

"Well, there's something out there,

we're gonna look into it.

We'll get back to you people on that."

That's not good enough,

that still gives the US government

the ability to cover under this veneer of,

"Well, we're just going to investigate."

But if you get an acknowledgement

that they've actually had possession of,

I mean, let's get real here,

alien tech, alien bodies,

there's no way you can then say,

"Well, we're gonna look into this honestly."

That's an admission they've been lying for a long time.

That's an admission of, truly,

the greatest conspiracy ever.

- I'd like to thank everybody who was here,

sticking through the entire hearing.

If there's no further business,

without objection, the subcommittee stands adjourned.

- We are in the midst of what you can genuinely call

is a revolutionary period.

I am convinced that we are actually within the midst

of a global revolution on many levels.

You look at the UFO or UAP subject and you see this,

what I call, insurgency happening from within,

that over the last several years,

has resulted in much more information coming out on this

and a much greater level of public conversation.

And if it results in a genuine breakthrough,

a real breakthrough, a meaningful one,

in which some kind of genuine honesty

is forced by government authorities,

high-level government authorities,

then you can call that a revolution,

a disclosure revolution.

We wanna know what's going on, first of all,

'cause this is big, it's important, it matters.

We want to know.

But B, it can have the ability, hopefully,

to wake us up into the recognition that,

"Hey, you've been lied to for 80 years,

what else has been kept from you?"

You're in a society

where for so long has bent the seat of lies.

We really have to understand,

this is not a trivial thing.

I don't think it's something

where you can just take the broom

and just sweep it up and put it in the dust pan,

and "Okay, everything's good now."

I don't think that is necessarily possible.

We may be dealing with

some seriously deep structural issues here of secrecy

and whatever else is going on in the truth here.

It could be very difficult.

Congressman Tim Burchett is joining

a growing core of civil lawmakers

asking the Pentagon to release what it knows

about unidentified anomalous phenomena,

also known as UAPs.

- Well, first of all, I don't trust the US government,

and I'm a United States congressman.

I think both parties, frankly, are corrupted.

Since 1947, there's incredible proof out there

that we are not alone.

And to think that we're the best that God can do to me

is very arrogant and naive.

1947, there was an incident.

They claim that there was a crash.

They put a press release out, said, "Saucer recovered."

It was actually July 7th, 1947,

when the outside world found out

something unusual had happened near Roswell, New Mexico.

The headlines from "The Roswell Daily Record"

shocked its readers with news of a captured flying saucer.

- It was in all the papers nationwide, worldwide,

if you will, at that time.

And then the next day,

they brought out old Jesse Marcel.

There's a famous picture of him

holding some cellophane and some sticks or something,

"Oh, he made a mistake, it was a hot-air balloon."

Now, how do you go from a saucer recovered,

to basically tissue paper?

Frank Kaufman was a civilian

working for the army 50 years ago,

and he says he saw a crashed spaceship

and alien bodies.

- And we noticed one body

that was half in and half out of the craft,

the other body was slammed up against the arroyo.

- Then you go back to the Kennedy assassination.

Good gosh, JFK was assassinated over 60 years ago,

and yet they won't release anything on it.

It's just, it's power, it's corruption,

it's control, it's money.

And those are all the things

that really prop up Washington today.

Has the US government become aware

of actual evidence of extraterrestrial

or otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?

- I like to use the term non-human,

I don't like to denote origin.

- I've talked to experts,

I've seen testimony from astronauts.

I've talked to fighter pilots,

some of the best in the world,

and they tell me that they've chased these craft.

And yet the Pentagon says they don't exist

and now we're talking about throwing money at it,

and all of a sudden, they say they wanna study it.

They lose billions of dollars every year,

they've never passed an audit.

And as I like to say,

the Pentagon is a bunch of war pimps anyway.

How can you trust that bunch?

So the American public deserves transparency.

We deserve to know what's going on.

Had a conversation with somebody,

called me over the weekend,

that was very high up in the Trump administration.

They told me that I'd kicked a hornet's nest

and that their words were

I needed to get some bodies around me.

I take that very serious.

You're talking about upsetting the apple cart,

and the Pentagon is billions and billions of dollars.

Is there any hesitation on your part

to keep pushing forward on this?

- Hell no.

I'm not gonna back down.

It might cause me to lose an election,

but it's not gonna cause me to back down.

- So George and I are gonna go

have a throw down with Joe Rogan,

the powerful Joe Rogan,

talk about our favorite guilty pleasure, UFOs,

which I don't feel like is a guilty pleasure,

that I don't feel like it's a rare conversation.

This is like all we think about.

For me, this'll be, I think,

like round five with Joe Rogan

on "The Joe Rogan Podcast".

I'm super grateful,

because he makes a point

to allow this conversation to happen.

- Are you apprehensive at all

that some of the stuff that they're releasing is bullshit?

Of course.

- Of course. - Wait, wait, oh, wait,

who's releasing?

- The Pentagon's talking about it,

when intelligent officials,

you ever wonder whether or not it's disinformation?

- I think it's a very healthy suspicion to have.

My perspective is a little different

in that people are always coming at me

with fake information,

like every day, all the time.

Here's what I know,

I know that there are people in government

that want some level of disclosure

on whatever this is,

without defining it.

- We have a history of disinformation and misinformation

put out to the public and to Congress

by the intelligence community,

by the Pentagon.

They lie all the time.

It's part of the turf,

it's part of the job.

- What has Grusch said?

Grusch said they definitely have physical crafts?

- Let me just set the scene for you with this

hearing thing, right? - Okay.

- I know when people think,

"This is orchestrated, man,"

we fought for every millimeter of doing that hearing,

I personally did, and so did George.

And the idea was, "What can we put out to the public

and let everybody know this is important to us?"

- I think there are inescapable

national security implications for this technology.

There is a race for it.

We're trying to get it,

the Russians are trying to get it,

the Chinese are trying to get it.

Whoever gets it, they win.

- It's hot as balls, I'll just put it that way.

This is Texas during a heatwave.

On the average day? - Yeah.

- This is the fucking average day.

I probably curse too much, I'm sorry.

This is an average day, man.

George and I, we work on this every damn day

and this is not a job that we get paid for,

I actually have a real job,

but luckily, it's real estate,

my wife and I fix up properties.

So this UFO thing is 'cause we wanna know the truth.

They say that when you look at things in retrospect,

hindsight is 2020,

not really the case for me.

I always thought I would be a martial athlete,

mixed martial arts,

training jujitsu and wrestling and boxing.

That's what I love,

I never thought I would do anything else.

Going from a martial athlete to where I am today

with investigative reporting and journalism.

We are now at a critical moment,

a critical point where the right questions

are being asked by the right people.

And let me tell you, it's a pressure cooker.

It's not something that was planned.

So my life is this Inspector Clouseau kind of journey,

where I'm constantly being misidentified as being qualified

to be able to do something.

Jeremy, is it Corbell?

- Yep, yep. - Jeremy Corbell

is an investigative filmmaker.

He's on the right of your screen.

- If even one of these sightings is real

and it is in fact a craft

of origin from somewhere other than Earth,

just one out of the millions,

then we have a real phenomenon.

- Jeremy is not a guy who's going to soften his word.

He's very straightforward about what he believes,

he can be a little brash sometimes.

- I think people are a little afraid of me,

'cause a little bit of a maniac sometimes.

- But he's not somebody that you're gonna scare off

and he doesn't really care too much

about what people think about him.

- This thing with George,

where we're running around the world kicking down doors,

it has taken us to some weird places, man,

I put more into this,

time-wise and financially,

than I will ever get back.

And I'm at peace with that,

'cause I fucking love it,

'cause I love it.

George and I get to talk with people

and we get to hear

just about one of the biggest questions there is,

"What is going on with this UFO thing?"

I didn't know what I was doing,

but I wasn't even a filmmaker yet,

but I realized every time I pointed that camera at somebody,

they would spill the beams.

And I thought, "Well, if this camera

is a passport into secrets,

just holding a shitty little camera,

then I gotta point this somewhere where it matters."

And so I started filming this guy, John Lear,

the godfather of conspiracy,

one of the craziest old bastards I ever met,

but one of the most likable.

- We saw one of the government extraterrestrial UFOs

fly over there.

These cattle mutilations,

they take the hormones and the enzymes from those cattle

and they spread it on their skin,

and their skin absorbs the nutrients.

If you look right at the center of the Moon,

that is the Sinus mMdii.

And right in the middle of the Sinus Medii

is a tower that stands six miles high.

- And some of the shit he told me ended up being true,

unbelievable stuff about UFOs.

So I had done that for quite some time,

kinda under the radar,

and I kept trying to get to George Knapp.

Call his news station,

"Hey, can I talk with George Knapp?

This is Jeremy Corbell."

He had no idea who I was.

Trying to get to George,

trying to get to George,

couple emails here and there,

always spacing 'em out six months,

make sure I'm not being attacky.

But yeah, I stalked the shit outta George.

And then, one day, I get this call, I go, "Hello,"

and they go, "Hold for George now."

And I'm like, "What? What? What? What?"

Remember, I'm trying to get to this guy

for two fucking years, right?

And I was like, "Holy shit," right?

This is my one chance

to impress upon George that I'm serious,

that I wanna know the truth,

that I'm not being judgmental,

that I'm kind of a filmmaker,

I've got a camera, you know?

And I've been filming with John Lear,

which was kinda George Knapp's gateway drug into UFOs, too.

- Hello, and welcome to "On the Record".

My guest again this week

is UFO researcher, John Lear.

Mr. Lear, nice to have you here again.

- Always a pleasure to be here, George.

- And there he is,

"This is George."

And I was just like, "Okay, here we go,

this is what I got."

I just go, "My name is Jeremy Corbell.

I've been following this UFO thing for quite some time.

I'm not a crazy person, I'm a normal person,

but I do have a camera

and I've been documenting this guy named John Lear.

I really wanna know the truth about UFOs,

I have no preconceived notions, I just wanna know,

is Bob Lazar telling the truth,

is he not telling the truth?

You've been the kingpin, the linchpin,

you've reported on this, you're a trusted person.

I really just need to know,

is there a way that you might be able to give me a briefing

and basically tell me the landscape of this world

so that I can understand it just a little bit better."

The longest pause in telephone history.

Then all of a sudden,

I hear this kinda like,

and I'm like, "Okay, so he's still on the phone.

Okay, here I am."

So he throws down about an hour plus,

telling me what he knows,

what he suspects,

what he can prove, what he can't prove,

and where this might be going.

He did that for me with all sincerity,

not really knowing me from anybody.

So from that day forward, man,

we became friends quickly.

So we are partners in our work together,

he's my mentor.

When we sit here and talk,

and you give me tutorship in a way,

and I don't even know if you know you're doing it,

but how to operate, how to navigate this world,

it's really powerful for me.

But he's also family to me.

- You can have all the degrees from Harvard that you want

or any other Ivy League school,

or Oxford, or whatever,

but I tell you what is rare,

someone who you can trust with your life

in terms of sharing information with,

someone who gets it.

- I was coming to do an interview for "Weaponized",

and then there was another meeting,

and I can't talk about that on camera,

but there was another meeting.

I'm in a car with George,

you're on speakerphone,

and the camera crew is currently rolling, is that okay?

Absolutely fine.

- You have to be prepared, as a journalist,

to potentially go to jail to protect your sources.

And I have no doubt that Jeremy would do that.

There are a lot of people

that speak to Jeremy behind the scenes

and they trust Jeremy with their lives.

And this is a very, very serious thing,

because their lives could come under threat.

- I know I saw out in the crowd there,

my buddy, Jeremy Corbell.

Mr. Corbell says the UFO is emerging

as a major topic of global importance.

I can state that as a fact.

So this is huge, this is worldwide.

- There's some very good reporting being done

both in the mainstream media

and outside the mainstream media.

We live in an era now

where to be a good journalist,

you don't have to be attached to "The Washington Post",

or "The New York Times", or "The Wall Street Journal".

People like George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell

have broken some really good stories.

- Look, man, I am a patriot,

but I'm also a pirate.

So you have to understand something,

people leak footage all the time to journalists,

and sometimes it's military footage.

And I think it's very powerful for the public

to have something tangible to talk about, to analyze.

- Tonight, a newly released video

raising questions about the existence of UFOs.

The man who posted the footage

is documentary filmmaker, Jeremy Corbell.

He joins me now, Jeremy, good evening.

The footage is incredible.

- And putting out those videos does push us forwards

in regards to the topic,

because in terms of someone who's well versed in comms,

from my own background,

I can tell you that having an image or a video

really propels the topic.

And I think, in terms of the UAP field,

he's probably the best communicator

that we actually have.

- What's the latest and greatest in UFO information?

- The world, in my opinion,

has really changed since we started talking about this.

These are not just claims,

we have corroborative visual evidence.

There are times when they have turned.

- Ooh. - Off or on

our nuclear weapons.

- No? - And this is well documented

by our own military.

It doesn't matter where these machines are from,

we know they outpace, outmaneuver and overperform

any of our weaponry.

This changes the fabric of our understanding

of what it means to be human.

- They're coming to you

and wanting to discuss these things with you.

The world is creaking

under the stress and the weight

of the UFO reality.

Look, ever since I started vetting David Grusch,

he's become a part of my life,

we talk all the time.

He came to George Knapp and me first.

So from the very beginning,

I've been vetting, vetting,

he's become part of my life.

So it's an ongoing dialogue and conversation.

Look, man, reprisals are real.

The effect of trying to silence people,

that is absolutely real as well.

Without getting into the weeds of the conversations

that I have on a weekly basis

of people wanting to come forward within agencies

that have inked already their complaints officially

through the system,

to people like David Grusch,

who really just took it on the chin, came forward,

said what he could say in that setting

and said, "I got a lot more.

Get me people authorized to hear it."

Yeah, man, you're gonna take shots.

And again, it's not just about having thick skin,

you better truly, deeply be prepared

to the core of who you are to take those hits.

There are a variety of ways

in which people get information to me.

What I'm gonna show you now

is the footage was captured by our military in 2018.

It's in Iraq, over a sensitive facility.

Why it caught my attention

is because it was designated UAP unidentified aero phenomena

by our intelligence agencies.

And then it was treated with just spectacular secrecy.

So it was important enough

that this video was sent to me.

It does not look like a traditional UFO,

like a sphere or a saucer,

but this shape has been seen

since the beginning of UAP or UFOs.

Call it the Jellyfish UAP.

It's in thermal,

it was filmed on a weapons platform.

You see that there's a dog there.

You see the animals are black.

I'm assuming this is black hot.

You see the object just went to white,

and you'll see it going from white to black,

white to black.

And that's basically showing the heat differentials

is going hot and cold, hot and cold.

The problem was, the optics platform was jammed.

These individuals who target with these platforms,

they can shoot out an Al-Qaeda tire at 27 miles away,

but not being able to lock it was one of the first signs

that something's weird.

I was able to find direct eyewitnesses

and corroborate that this event did happen.

When individuals would target in on it with the optics,

the way it was described,

each of these hanging things,

they were stiff, they weren't moving.

They had geometric form, like scales.

The way it was said to me, "Scales like an armor."

There were also people with night vision who were out

and they were tasked to go look for it,

couldn't see it on the night vision.

Only in the thermal spectrum could it be seen.

But anything that looks like that

appears to have a payload,

that's a big deal.

It could be dangerous, so these are high priority.

But what happened is,

there were a couple other nations involved,

and the feeds were shut,

just shut immediately.

So that put me on high alert, too,

"Why is it completely being shut down?"

But that's not all it did.

It goes out over a body of water,

I'm told it stops on a dime,

descends into the water,

stiff into the water.

And for 17 minutes, nothing.

And boom, this thing comes up out of the water

and shoots off at 45 degrees,

just like that.

It looks very much like what I've heard

that has made incursions into nuclear facilities,

because I know, for sure, fact of the matter,

there is footage from inside a nuclear facility,

and I'll just say it, Pantex, that's the one, man.

Something that appears identical to this

moves between these nuclear silos,

and shot off, again, at a 45 degree angle.

What it is, I don't know.

But now, when it goes over a body of water,

I do have some footage of that.

This is when that same objective, a Jellyfish UFO,

goes out over this.

You can kinda get an idea by that distance now

how far these optic systems can reach.

When it gets to that point where it's over the water,

every source that I have talked with

who is aware of this footage,

that footage exists.

You've got a UFO or a UAP,

descends into the water, stiff,

comes back up,

and then shoots off, 45 degrees.

Now, this was taken by an intelligence agency and buried,

so I don't know, man,

these are the cases that spark me.

I don't know what this is.

I just know when I get

military-filmed UAP footage designated,

where people risk getting that to me,

I take it as serious as it sounds,

and I try to get to the bottom of it,

and it's hard, you know?

But I do have a number of direct eyewitnesses now.

What am I sitting on?

Yeah, you and every other

intelligence agency on planet Earth

wants to know the answer to that question.

Look, man, I will tell you this,

our government in the United States

has always taken this seriously,

dead seriously.

I know for a matter of fact that the UFO topic

is considered more important,

at a higher level of security

than weapons of mass destruction.

Launch helo ASAP.

- This has never been something

that is adjacent to what's important

to our intelligence agencies,

to our own government and defense systems.

This has always been right there, front burner,

whether they've admitted it or not.

Track, 781 just sped up to 46 knots.

Maintain track the best you can.

- The more and more that people try to clamp down

on this information,

it's having the adverse effect.

More and more witnesses are coming forward,

more and more whistleblowers,

more and more people are calling me in confidence,

telling me what I need to know

to take the next step.

Yeah, there, yeah, man,

this guy is not reporting TCAS,

that is a unidentified flying object, bro.

I can finally say I saw one now,

that is cool.

- Knowing the truth about what UFOs represent to humanity

would change humanity completely.

People speculate that our energy would change,

it could be the survival of planet Earth

if these technologies can do

what we are recording them doing,

- Ooh. - Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, what is that?

- But I think what UFOs represent to humanity

is more important than UFOs themselves.

Oh my gosh.

Look at it, it's behind the tree, what is that?

- Are we alone in the universe?

No.

Is it distant life somewhere else?

No, they're coming here.

And if that's the truth,

how would it not transform

everything about our world?

How could it not?

- If I was to tell you about David Grusch two years ago,

you would've think I'm mad.

- What I personally witnessed,

myself and my wife,

was very disturbing.

- Is there any moment

where you've kind of regretted speaking up?

- I don't regret it,

I didn't wanna live in the Matrix.

- You hear others claiming

that it's an embarrassment to science.

Mobs of scientists attack me personally.

- The United States is not particularly friendly

to whistleblowers.

There have actually been some very, very odd

and mysterious injuries and deaths.

It makes you wonder,

is there something going on here?

- The UFO community is absolutely its worst enemy.

- For me, it was almost like

I was being pranked in a sense.

- Make no mistake here,

many, many, many people have stated

that they've had such experiences.

- Past the foot of my bed,

there were two beings.

Very quickly, the being off the foot of my bed

started moving towards me.

The other being raised its arm

that had this wand in its hand

towards me.