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- I am here to discuss the
so-called flying saucers.

The Air Force
interest in this problem

has been due to our
feeling of an obligation

to identify anything in the air

that may have the
possibility of threat or menace

to the United States.

Look at this thing.

They're all going
against the wind,

the wind's 120
knots to the west.

Oh my gosh, dude.

Wow, look at that.
- Oh, damn, look at.

There's another one.

This could be it.

- The highly anticipated
hearing on Capitol Hill

about unidentified
flying objects, or UFOs.

Be an unusual House
oversight hearing

on what's being called
unidentified aerial phenomena.

Both Republicans and Democrats

investigating the supernatural.

- Congress, which for years

has avoided this topic of
unidentified phenomena,

will give it a big and
bipartisan platform.

- So this was different,

this was different than anything

that had ever come before.

We had hearings on UFOs,

but this was the
first time in history

you have people that
are direct eyewitnesses,

or in one case, an
actual whistleblower,

coming forward in
front of Congress.

This was an official
on-the-record testimony under oath.

You have Lieutenant Ryan Graves.

- I am a former F 18-pilot

with a decade of
service in the US Navy,

including two deployments

in Operation Enduring Freedom

and Operation Inherent Resolve.

- Lieutenant Ryan Graves

is representing a
whole bunch of pilots.

Flight safety, this whole
idea of near misses,

things coming into
our restricted airspace

that are unknown to us.

Then you have
Commander David Fravor.

- I'm a retired commander
in the United States Navy.

In 2004, I was a
commanding officer

of Strike Fighter Squadron 41,

the world-famous Black Aces.

- Commander David
Fravor not only saw a UFO,

he engaged a UFO for
the United States military.

So you've got
these three people,

last one being David Grusch.

- My name is David
Charles Grusch,

I was an intelligence
officer for 14 years.

I was my agency's co-lead

in unidentified
anomalous phenomena

and transmedium object analysis,

as well as reporting
to the UAP Task Force.

I believe strongly
in the importance

of bringing this
information before you.

I am driven by a commitment
both to truth and transparency,

rooted in our inherent duty

to uphold the United
States Constitution

and protect the American people.

- George Knapp and I fought hard

with a lot of others
behind the scenes

to make sure that this
hearing could happen.

I'd like people to
understand the gravity of this.

It has been since the
inception of the UFO problem,

"Nothing to see here,

move on," all of that.

All of that has changed.

All right, let's do this.

My name is Jeremy Corbell.

I'm an investigative
journalist and a filmmaker.

And this has been
an obsession of mine

is trying to get to
the ground truth

of what UFOs
represent to humanity.

- The two musketeers at the
front lines of UFO disclosure.

- It is scary if
that's true. Joe,

- I think you guys are.

- Jeremy's an interesting guy.

He's actually been
doing this for a long time.

If you go back and
look at the content

that's been being put out
over the past 15 or so years,

Jeremy has been
pursuing this topic doggedly

for a long time

and has been someone

who has really kept
the fires burning,

even when there wasn't a
ton of media attention out there.

And it's been really cool

to see him team up
with George Knapp.

Who's really kind of an OG

of the UFO investigation world,

and to see the work

that they have been
able to do together

and to see them finally
be able to take this

across the finish line

was a pretty cool moment.

How's it going?

- Great.
- All right, good.

Who are you from?

- From "Politico".

What are you expecting to
come from out of the hearing?

- Well, more
transparency on this topic.

It's long overdue.

- Morning.
- Morning.

- George, pleasure.

Jeremy.

- Nice to see you.

- Thank you, Jeremy.

- Appreciate it.

- Thank you.
- Are you one of

the witnesses, correct?
- Yes.

- Yeah.
- Thank you.

- Thank you, sir.

- Thank you.
- Thank you, that's fine.

- Okay.

Three men who previously
served in the military

are set to speak publicly

about what they saw in the sky

and heard behind closed doors.

- There's two big
questions in this world,

what happens when
we die and are we alone?

And the Pentagon's talking
about one of 'em right now,

so it's interesting as hell.

The great deal of interest here,

the watch parties,

the people who
will be lining up early

to try to go in person.

- I'd like to thank these
three brave witnesses here.

They took an oath to uphold

the Constitution of
the United States,

and dadgummit, they're doing it.

- What I personally
witnessed myself

was very disturbing.

- The US is in
possession of, quote,

"Non-human spacecraft."

- UAPs, whatever they may be,

may pose a serious threat

to our military
or civilian aircraft.

- The incident was
never investigated,

none of my crew
were ever questioned.

Do you believe
that our government

is in possession of UAPs?

- Absolutely, based
on interviewing

over 40 witnesses
over four years.

- Is there any indication
that these UAPs

are interested in our nuclear
technology and capabilities?

- Yes.
- Oh, it's getting close.

Whoa, it's flashed.
- It flashed.

Mark bearing and range?

- Were they human or
non-human biologics.

- Non-human.

There's a whole fleet of 'em.

Look on the SA.

- Do you have any personal
knowledge of people

who have been harmed or injured

in efforts to cover up

or conceal these
extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes.

Personally.

- Have you heard, have
anyone been murdered?

- I have to be careful
asking that question.

- The gravity for what's
going on with UFOs right now

couldn't be more important.

There's no going
back from this, man.

This is the moment
that we define,

"Are we gonna have
this conversation

or are we not?"

This is the first time
you have people

that are there that
have the impetus

to tell the American
public the truth.

So how did we get here?

How did we get here today?

Pentagon's secret
UFO program revealed

the military spending
millions of dollars

to look into UFO sightings

and videos from
American fighter pilots

all being made public.

The remarkable
admission by the Pentagon

came as a result of reporting
by "The New York Times",

which published a story of
the mysterious UFO program

over the weekend.

- In 2017, two
colleagues and I published

this front page Sunday
"New York Times" piece

revealing for the first
time that the Pentagon

was not out of the UFO business,

as it had long claimed,

but was really very much
involved in tracking UFOs.

The article broke the news

that there was a secret unit,

which we called ATIP,

funded with $22
million in secret funding

to track and
investigate encounters

between Navy jets
and unknown objects.

That had been flying
around carrier groups

on the West Coast
and the East Coast,

and in some cases, were
seen churning underwater.

- How surprised were you
about this Pentagon program,

a surprise program with
a $22 million budget?

- $22 million.

- This is the revelation
that the conspiracy theorists

have been looking for all along,

that the government knows
there are actually UFOs.

- Well, it's always impossible

to know what the
conspiracy theorists

are thinking.

- The head of the program,

a man named Luis Elizondo,

who had long intelligence
history and credentials,

had just submitted
his resignation

to the Secretary of Defense

because he was being thwarted
by superiors in the Pentagon.

- It was about the craziest
thing that's happened

to the UFO community,

because what we had here

is we had some Pulitzer
Prize-winning journalists

dropping this article.

And so suddenly,
UFOs were something

that were being
talked about seriously,

and the world kind
of changed after that.

They're all going
against the wind,

the wind's the wind's
120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

Tell us what the purpose
of the program was

and why it was so secretive.

- The purpose of the program,

Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program,

was really designed
to do just that,

from a national
security perspective,

identify those
things that we see.

- But there were those people,

especially on the web,

who tried to downplay
and undercut the article,

but the government
never succeeded, really,

in undermining the
reporting we did.

It didn't fully endorse it,

it claimed, at some points,

that Lue Elizondo was
not who he said he was.

We had checked
him out thoroughly,

we had his performance records,

we had his whole
intelligence history,

so we knew who our sources were

and we had vetted
them thoroughly.

- Lue is a real patriot.

He's done some
pretty powerful stuff

when it comes to moving
this dialogue forward,

and sometimes at his
own peril, at his own risk.

- Do you believe that life from
somewhere else came here?

- There is very
compelling evidence

that we may not be alone.

- It was very, very eye-opening

in terms of what was
going on, basically,

under our noses.

We all thought UAP had
been debunked years ago

as rubbish, as tripe.

We thought it was just like

a '60s or '50s issue
of flying saucers

and little green men from Venus.

- So it was kind of an
exciting story on many levels,

and it drew a
tremendous reaction.

- The Pentagon now confirms

the existence of a
secretive UFO program

tasked with
investigating reports

of unidentified flying objects.

- We're alerting this morning

about a Pentagon program

that spent millions of dollars

to look into UFO sightings.

- The Pentagon ended funding,

but "The New York Times" reports

the program
remains in existence.

- And mainstream media
quickly picked up on the story.

Because we were
treating it seriously

at "The New York Times",

it gathered somewhat more
gravitas and seriousness.

- The articles in "The
New York Times", 2017,

removed the stigma
on the topic of UFOs,

which is why we're here today.

Those articles opened the door

for the government and public

that cannot be closed.

- That 2017 article
really popped the bubble

for a lot of people.

Yeah, this is a
fucking drone, bro.

There's a whole fleet of 'em,

look on the SA.

- The videos that we ran on
"The New York Times" website,

the three videos of encounters

between these Navy
jets and these objects,

it was sensational.

The videos were among
the most watched ever

in the history of "The
New York Times".

- But if there's a.
- Look at this thing.

It's rotating.

- The US Navy has
finally acknowledged

that videos appearing
to show UFOs

flying through the air are real.

The several videos
they're talking about

were recorded years
ago by fighter pilots,

that, in 2017, they
were made public

by "The New York Times".

- The Tic Tac, the Gimbal
and the GoFast UFO.

Those three videos were
kind of first exposure for people

that we have these unidentifieds

that are flying in
restricted airspace.

- I would like to say
that the Tic Tac object

we engaged in 2004

was far superior to anything

that we had on time, have today,

or looking to develop
in the next 10 years.

- All of this was on a clear day

off the coast of California.

This is not wartime nerves,

this is not like pilot error,

this is not some sort of
glitch in the radar system.

You've got a craft
of unknown origin

that shouldn't be there.

Now, that is a big deal.

- These objects coming
down from over 80,000 feet,

rapidly descending
to 20,000 feet,

hanging out for hours,

and then going straight back up.

For those who don't realize,

above 80,000 feet is space.

- We talk about 80,000 feet,

that's a real sensitive thing.

Anything above 80,000 feet,

we're talking about
satellite hardware,

that is some of the
most protected assets

the United States military has.

- If the aircraft was armed,

do you believe
that your aircraft

or any aircraft in possession
of the United States

could've shot the Tic Tac down?

- I'd say no.

The technology that we faced

was far superior than
anything that we had.

And there's nothing
we can do about it,

nothing.

My gosh.

They're all going
against the wind.

The wind's 120
knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

- The Gimbal video,

it is incredible to see

the mechanical
rotation of this machine,

and you can hear the pilots

and their awe as
they're watching this.

Yeah, this is a
fucking drone, bro.

There's a whole fleet of 'em,

look on the SA.

My gosh.

They're all going
against the wind,

the wind's 120
knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

- The Gimbal incident,

the recording on
the ATFLIR system

shows a single
object that rotates.

And you hear the pilots
refer to a fleet of objects

that is not visible
on the FLIR system.

It just goes to show
how serious this is

and why this is such
an important issue

for our pilots
and for our nation.

- Navy pilots are the most
trained observers we have,

millions of dollars is
spent training these people.

So if they say they've
seen something,

that counts for
something special.

And that's why the Navy
videos were so important,

because they
captured, electronically,

things that, until then,
were just anecdotal.

That's not an LNS though, is it?

It's not.
- That is LNS, dude.

- Well, it's seriously.
- Look at that thing.

It's rotating.

- Here's the part that
people don't know.

There are four extra minutes
to that Gimbal footage,

there's four extra minutes.

The Gimbal was not alone,

there was a V formation
of UFOs in front of it.

Now, why has that
not been released

to the American and
the global public? Why?

We need to have
this type of footage

in the scientific
community's hands.

To cut footage off like that,

that was a choice.

It's rotating.

Look at that, dude.

Did you box a moving target?

No, I put it on auto-track.

Oh, okay.

Oh my gosh, dude.

- Wow.
- Oh, look at that, man.

It's flying.

- So the GoFast
is like the trilogy,

the GoFast video.

This is not a rare phenomenon.

Pilots are passing,
seeing, catching on radar,

sometimes even locking on,

on a daily basis,

with these unknowns

that can outmaneuver
our own craft.

Whoa, got it.

Woohoo.

Roger.

Let's go.

What the fuck is that?

Look at that, dude?

Did you box a moving target?

No, I put it on auto-track.

- The objects are
performing maneuvers

that are unexplainable

due to our current
understanding of our technology

and our capabilities
as a country.

- Oh my gosh.
- And that applies for

the military as well.
- Dude.

- We've had 14 near
misses with aircraft.

You're talking $50, $60,
maybe $100-million aircraft

with some of the best trained
men and women in the air.

That's serious,

and that's in our airspace.

- What percentage of UAP
sightings, in your belief,

go unreported by our pilots?

- I would estimate
we're somewhere near

5% reporting perhaps.

- They basically admitted
there was nothing they could do

if the craft they encountered

turned out to be hostile,

there was no way they
could defend themselves.

Now, think of that as
you look up into the sky.

The Americans, being
the greatest superpower

the Earth has ever known,

you don't have dominance
of your own skies,

and the US Air Force
does not want to admit that.

- So now the
conversation is being had,

people started pushing to
get more information out.

The stranglehold
on the UFO issue

has always been with
the intelligence agency.

I have sources in
every single agency.

I'm not trying to brag about
that, what I'm trying to do

is put the fear of
fucking God into people.

That is fact, people are fed up.

People are fed up
with keeping the secret.

- I actually wanna
ask about UFOs.

Does the president believe
in the existence of UFOs

and would he be interested

in restoring funding
for that program?

- Somehow, that
question hasn't come up

in our back and forth
over the last couple days,

but I will check into that

and be happy to circle back.

- So one of the things
you have as president

is the access to
all the information

in the world.
- Right.

- All the mysteries out there,

and I was just struck
in the last couple weeks,

we're reading more and
more reports of Navy pilots

seeing lots and lots of UFOs.

Have you been briefed on that?
- Yeah.

- What do you make of it?
- I have, I have.

And I did have one
very brief meeting on it,

but people are saying
they're seeing UFOs.

- We have presidents
making overt comments

about the UFO phenomenon,

how seriously they take it.

There was a sea change,

you've got everybody
talking about it.

- When it comes to the aliens,

there's some things
I just can't tell you,

but what is true,

and I'm actually
being serious here,

is that there's footage

and records of
objects in the skies

that we don't know
exactly what they are.

- When I was president,

we made every
attempt to find out

everything about Roswell.

And we also sent
people to Area 51

to make sure there
were no aliens.

Another coffee-drop
moment for me

was when Jimmy Kimmel
showed some footage

that I had obtained and released

of military-filmed UAP

to George W Bush.

The first thing I would do

if I was president

is go right to the UFO files.

I wonder if you've
seen this video

that has been verified
by the Pentagon.

Would you be surprised

if we were visited by
creatures from another planet?

Yeah.

- You would be surprised?
- Wouldn't you be?

- Well, yeah.
- Hell yeah.

They've been really
hesitant to get specific

about what exactly
they've been briefed on,

but they have been clear

that something
strange is going on,

and it does sort of indicate

that maybe there's some
sort of a messaging shift

going on behind the scenes.

- The truth is, we have
found through our reporting

that presidents are
not routinely brief.

Viewers might think that,

"Oh, as soon as somebody
becomes president,

they're led into all the deepest
secrets of the government,

including UFOs."

Well, that's not true.

What we found in
our latest reporting

was that this information

is the most deeply held secrets

in the entire government,

and that includes
from top officials,

including the president
of the United States.

- The US government knows

something
unexplained is out there.

The Pentagon has until
late June to tell Congress

in an unclassified report

what it knows about
unidentified flying objects.

- One of the critical moments

is when President Trump signed

to make the Pentagon
do a report about UFOs,

and this was part of the
Intelligence Authorization Act.

And that was a big moment,

that you had 180 days to
put together a UFO report.

This is a bombshell.

Do you expect to see
real answers in this report?

- Look, honestly, I
don't think so, Jake.

Look, it takes 180
days to do a report,

it takes longer to remodel

a kitchen in your
house sometimes.

- The long-awaited
Pentagon report on UFOs

has finally been released.

Plenty of unidentified flying
objects remain just that,

unidentified and mysterious.

- That UAP report was
one of our first indications

that this was going to be a
marathon and not a sprint,

and that there
was a lot more work

that needed to be done here.

I mean, it was exciting
because it was released

and it was released publicly,

but it's only about
nine pages long,

including the cover
page and the appendix.

It wasn't nearly the blockbuster

that people were hoping for.

- I was disappointed,
like many other people,

because the stories I'd heard

and that we'd picked
up on in our reporting

went way beyond that report.

- A lot of it was just them

sort of asking for more
resources and more funding,

and talking about the problems

that they were having
in collecting this data.

US government officials
examined 144 reports

of UAPs like these,

and still don't know
what 143 of them were.

The report

by the Office of
National Intelligence

found no evidence they
came from outer space.

- What did strike me

is that the reports
said for the first time

that these objects
are most likely real.

That was a big breakthrough,

the government had
not said that before.

That was what the government

was probably long afraid of,

admitting that they didn't
know what these things were.

Among the possibilities
they considered,

secret US equipment,

a foreign adversary's
advanced technology,

atmospheric conditions,

debris in the air,

or simply other.

- This idea that the
phenomenon itself, the UFOs,

the physical manifestation
of this, the craft,

that it's some sort
of black project

or secret US technology,

it's bullshit, it's
always been bullshit.

Oh my gosh.

Look at it, it's behind
the tree, what is that?

- We've talked to the
best experts available,

including fighter
pilots themselves

who've gone up and
seen these things

and said that there is nothing

that they're aware
of that come close

to the aerodynamic
possibilities these things have.

- Could these
objects be spycraft

from another country?

What do you think?

- The bottom line is
that we don't know.

- If it was Russia, they
wouldn't be bogged down

in this worthless
war in Ukraine.

If it was China, they would
control everything we have,

more so than they already do.

- It's unimaginable because
we've seen these things

since the 1930s.

So to think that the Chinese,

who had a famine back
in the 1950s for instance,

would've also had
anti-gravitic craft

that could display
such capabilities,

it's just unfathomable really.

- That is not what
we're talking about,

natural phenomenon.

That kills me.

It's like a distraction.

But sure, people can see

some natural weather phenomenon

and misidentify
it as unidentified,

until it's known.

Sure, that can happen.

It's not what
we're talking about.

Whoa, got it.

Woohoo.

- We're dealing with
an actual physical object

that shows up on radar
and other weapons systems.

I think we can
safely rule those out

as being atmospheric phenomena.

They're all going
against the wind.

The wind's 120
knots to the west.

- And these are our most
highly trained observers,

we train them for
millions of dollars,

we send them up against
potential adversaries,

protecting our country,

they're not gonna be easily
hoodwinked by flying trash.

- That's a
mental-gymnastics thing

when you say, "Other," right?

I guess that's a
good way to do it,

if you wanna just be
completely broad with it.

- I think that's done
to put people at ease,

not to spark potential panic,

because they don't know
how the public's going to react.

If you put it out there

that there may be
non-human intelligence,

that's a major risk.

It may upset a lot of people,

unnerve a lot of people,

and institutions as
well, such as churches.

- I am as in the dark as you

about what UFOs truly
represent to humanity.

I just know that we can
exclude certain things.

And once we
exclude those things,

those exotic possibilities,

those are the ones
that truly excite me.

We know people
misidentify things,

we're not talking about that.

We're talking about the
important stuff, the other.

A report by this country's

top intelligence officials

acknowledges there
have been 18 encounters

in which so-called
unexplained aerial phenomena

demonstrate advanced technology.

- This ended up being
disappointing for a lot of people

because it was
only nine pages long

and we all believe
that the UFO problem,

that it deserves more than that,

but it was a huge step forward,

'cause it's acknowledged,

it's right there in writing,

it was something
that was demanded

and it was followed through on.

We've made leaps and
we've made bounds since then,

but this was a critical moment

in how we got to
where we are today.

- The report states

that some of these
uncharacterized UAP

appear to have demonstrated
unusual flight characteristics

and require further analysis.

- From that Pentagon report,

all the way up to this
important moment in Congress,

we had momentum.

- We begin with that
historic UFO hearing

on Capitol Hill
today, as we just said,

the bipartisan push
for transparency

certainly decades in the making.

The nation watched
gripping testimony of UAPs

and demands for greater
transparency on this issue.

- This was, I think, a
chance for the public to hear

what we, as reporters,
had been hearing

from experts like
that for a long time.

- Have you met with
people with direct knowledge

or have direct
knowledge yourself

of non-human origin craft?

- Yes, I personally
interviewed those individuals.

- It was his duty, David Grusch,

it was his job at that time

to look for UFO, UAP
exploitation programs,

legacy UFO programs.

And damn, did he find it.

- I was informed, in the
course of my official duties,

of a multi-decade
UAP crash retrieval

and reverse-engineering program.

- It was an earthquake.

And I can guarantee you

that it's gonna be
documented in history books.

300 years from now,

a school kid is gonna be
learning about that hearing.

For the first time,

you got to hear in Congress
from a whistleblower,

and he is out there

telling Congress that there
are programs, illegal programs,

that have been hidden
from congressional oversight,

that relate to retrieval

and reverse-engineering
of craft of non-human origin,

and the pilots as well.

That is earth shattering.

- Were they, I guess, human
or non-human biologics?

- Non-human, and that was
the assessment of people

with direct knowledge
on the program I talked to,

that are currently
still on the program.

- I was speaking
to a source recently,

he was at that hearing.

When David Grusch
admitted or alleged

that there had been
non-human biologics

retrieved from
some of those craft,

you could hear a
pin drop in that room.

- You've said that US
has intact spacecraft,

you said that the government

has alien bodies
or alien species,

have you seen the spacecraft?

I have to be careful to
describe what I've seen firsthand

and not in this environment,

but I could answer that
question behind closed doors.

- David Grusch spoke under oath.

If he's lying, he's
going to jail, okay?

So that's a really,
really big thing,

the fact that he
spoke under oath.

- It's one thing for
the government to say,

"Well, there's
something out there,

we're gonna look into it.

We'll get back to
you people on that."

That's not good enough,

that still gives the
US government

the ability to cover
under this veneer of,

"Well, we're just
going to investigate."

But if you get an
acknowledgement

that they've actually
had possession of,

I mean, let's get real here,

alien tech, alien bodies,

there's no way you can then say,

"Well, we're gonna
look into this honestly."

That's an admission they've
been lying for a long time.

That's an admission of, truly,

the greatest conspiracy ever.

- I'd like to thank
everybody who was here,

sticking through
the entire hearing.

If there's no further business,

without objection, the
subcommittee stands adjourned.

- We are in the midst of
what you can genuinely call

is a revolutionary period.

I am convinced that we
are actually within the midst

of a global revolution
on many levels.

You look at the UFO or
UAP subject and you see this,

what I call, insurgency
happening from within,

that over the
last several years,

has resulted in much more
information coming out on this

and a much greater level
of public conversation.

And if it results in a
genuine breakthrough,

a real breakthrough,
a meaningful one,

in which some kind
of genuine honesty

is forced by
government authorities,

high-level
government authorities,

then you can call
that a revolution,

a disclosure revolution.

We wanna know what's
going on, first of all,

'cause this is big, it's
important, it matters.

We want to know.

But B, it can have
the ability, hopefully,

to wake us up into
the recognition that,

"Hey, you've been
lied to for 80 years,

what else has been
kept from you?"

You're in a society

where for so long has
bent the seat of lies.

We really have to understand,

this is not a trivial thing.

I don't think it's something

where you can
just take the broom

and just sweep it up
and put it in the dust pan,

and "Okay,
everything's good now."

I don't think that is
necessarily possible.

We may be dealing with

some seriously deep
structural issues here of secrecy

and whatever else is
going on in the truth here.

It could be very difficult.

Congressman Tim
Burchett is joining

a growing core
of civil lawmakers

asking the Pentagon
to release what it knows

about unidentified
anomalous phenomena,

also known as UAPs.

- Well, first of all, I don't
trust the US government,

and I'm a United
States congressman.

I think both parties,
frankly, are corrupted.

Since 1947, there's
incredible proof out there

that we are not alone.

And to think that we're the
best that God can do to me

is very arrogant and naive.

1947, there was an incident.

They claim that
there was a crash.

They put a press release
out, said, "Saucer recovered."

It was actually July 7th, 1947,

when the outside world found out

something unusual had happened
near Roswell, New Mexico.

The headlines from "The
Roswell Daily Record"

shocked its readers with
news of a captured flying saucer.

- It was in all the papers
nationwide, worldwide,

if you will, at that time.

And then the next day,

they brought out
old Jesse Marcel.

There's a famous picture of him

holding some cellophane
and some sticks or something,

"Oh, he made a mistake,
it was a hot-air balloon."

Now, how do you go
from a saucer recovered,

to basically tissue paper?

Frank Kaufman was a civilian

working for the
army 50 years ago,

and he says he saw
a crashed spaceship

and alien bodies.

- And we noticed one body

that was half in and
half out of the craft,

the other body was slammed
up against the arroyo.

- Then you go back to
the Kennedy assassination.

Good gosh, JFK was
assassinated over 60 years ago,

and yet they won't
release anything on it.

It's just, it's power,
it's corruption,

it's control, it's money.

And those are all the things

that really prop up
Washington today.

Has the US government
become aware

of actual evidence
of extraterrestrial

or otherwise unexplained
forms of intelligence?

- I like to use the
term non-human,

I don't like to denote origin.

- I've talked to experts,

I've seen testimony
from astronauts.

I've talked to fighter pilots,

some of the best in the world,

and they tell me that
they've chased these craft.

And yet the Pentagon
says they don't exist

and now we're talking
about throwing money at it,

and all of a sudden, they
say they wanna study it.

They lose billions
of dollars every year,

they've never passed an audit.

And as I like to say,

the Pentagon is a bunch
of war pimps anyway.

How can you trust that bunch?

So the American public
deserves transparency.

We deserve to
know what's going on.

Had a conversation
with somebody,

called me over the weekend,

that was very high up in
the Trump administration.

They told me that I'd
kicked a hornet's nest

and that their words were

I needed to get some
bodies around me.

I take that very serious.

You're talking about
upsetting the apple cart,

and the Pentagon is
billions and billions of dollars.

Is there any
hesitation on your part

to keep pushing forward on this?

- Hell no.

I'm not gonna back down.

It might cause me
to lose an election,

but it's not gonna
cause me to back down.

- So George and I are gonna go

have a throw down
with Joe Rogan,

the powerful Joe Rogan,

talk about our favorite
guilty pleasure, UFOs,

which I don't feel like
is a guilty pleasure,

that I don't feel like
it's a rare conversation.

This is like all we think about.

For me, this'll be, I think,

like round five with Joe Rogan

on "The Joe Rogan Podcast".

I'm super grateful,

because he makes a point

to allow this
conversation to happen.

- Are you apprehensive at all

that some of the stuff that
they're releasing is bullshit?

Of course.

- Of course.
- Wait, wait, oh, wait,

who's releasing?

- The Pentagon's
talking about it,

when intelligent officials,

you ever wonder whether
or not it's disinformation?

- I think it's a very
healthy suspicion to have.

My perspective
is a little different

in that people are
always coming at me

with fake information,

like every day, all the time.

Here's what I know,

I know that there are
people in government

that want some
level of disclosure

on whatever this is,

without defining it.

- We have a history of
disinformation and misinformation

put out to the public
and to Congress

by the intelligence community,

by the Pentagon.

They lie all the time.

It's part of the turf,

it's part of the job.

- What has Grusch said?

Grusch said they definitely
have physical crafts?

- Let me just set the
scene for you with this

hearing thing, right?
- Okay.

- I know when people think,

"This is orchestrated, man,"

we fought for every
millimeter of doing that hearing,

I personally did,
and so did George.

And the idea was, "What
can we put out to the public

and let everybody know
this is important to us?"

- I think there are inescapable

national security implications
for this technology.

There is a race for it.

We're trying to get it,

the Russians
are trying to get it,

the Chinese are
trying to get it.

Whoever gets it, they win.

- It's hot as balls,
I'll just put it that way.

This is Texas during a heatwave.

On the average day?
- Yeah.

- This is the
fucking average day.

I probably curse
too much, I'm sorry.

This is an average day, man.

George and I, we work
on this every damn day

and this is not a job
that we get paid for,

I actually have a real job,

but luckily, it's real estate,

my wife and I fix up properties.

So this UFO thing is 'cause
we wanna know the truth.

They say that when you
look at things in retrospect,

hindsight is 2020,

not really the case for me.

I always thought I would
be a martial athlete,

mixed martial arts,

training jujitsu and
wrestling and boxing.

That's what I love,

I never thought I
would do anything else.

Going from a martial
athlete to where I am today

with investigative
reporting and journalism.

We are now at a critical moment,

a critical point where
the right questions

are being asked
by the right people.

And let me tell you,
it's a pressure cooker.

It's not something
that was planned.

So my life is this Inspector
Clouseau kind of journey,

where I'm constantly being
misidentified as being qualified

to be able to do something.

Jeremy, is it Corbell?

- Yep, yep.
- Jeremy Corbell

is an investigative filmmaker.

He's on the right
of your screen.

- If even one of
these sightings is real

and it is in fact a craft

of origin from somewhere
other than Earth,

just one out of the millions,

then we have a real phenomenon.

- Jeremy is not a guy who's
going to soften his word.

He's very straightforward
about what he believes,

he can be a little
brash sometimes.

- I think people are
a little afraid of me,

'cause a little bit of
a maniac sometimes.

- But he's not somebody
that you're gonna scare off

and he doesn't
really care too much

about what people
think about him.

- This thing with George,

where we're running around
the world kicking down doors,

it has taken us to
some weird places, man,

I put more into this,

time-wise and financially,

than I will ever get back.

And I'm at peace with that,

'cause I fucking love it,

'cause I love it.

George and I get
to talk with people

and we get to hear

just about one of the
biggest questions there is,

"What is going on
with this UFO thing?"

I didn't know what I was doing,

but I wasn't even
a filmmaker yet,

but I realized every time I
pointed that camera at somebody,

they would spill the beams.

And I thought,
"Well, if this camera

is a passport into secrets,

just holding a
shitty little camera,

then I gotta point this
somewhere where it matters."

And so I started filming
this guy, John Lear,

the godfather of conspiracy,

one of the craziest
old bastards I ever met,

but one of the most likable.

- We saw one of the
government extraterrestrial UFOs

fly over there.

These cattle mutilations,

they take the hormones and
the enzymes from those cattle

and they spread
it on their skin,

and their skin
absorbs the nutrients.

If you look right at
the center of the Moon,

that is the Sinus mMdii.

And right in the middle
of the Sinus Medii

is a tower that
stands six miles high.

- And some of the shit he
told me ended up being true,

unbelievable stuff about UFOs.

So I had done that
for quite some time,

kinda under the radar,

and I kept trying to
get to George Knapp.

Call his news station,

"Hey, can I talk
with George Knapp?

This is Jeremy Corbell."

He had no idea who I was.

Trying to get to George,

trying to get to George,

couple emails here and there,

always spacing
'em out six months,

make sure I'm not being attacky.

But yeah, I stalked
the shit outta George.

And then, one day, I
get this call, I go, "Hello,"

and they go, "Hold
for George now."

And I'm like, "What?
What? What? What?"

Remember, I'm
trying to get to this guy

for two fucking years, right?

And I was like,
"Holy shit," right?

This is my one chance

to impress upon
George that I'm serious,

that I wanna know the truth,

that I'm not being judgmental,

that I'm kind of a filmmaker,

I've got a camera, you know?

And I've been
filming with John Lear,

which was kinda George Knapp's
gateway drug into UFOs, too.

- Hello, and welcome
to "On the Record".

My guest again this week

is UFO researcher, John Lear.

Mr. Lear, nice to
have you here again.

- Always a pleasure
to be here, George.

- And there he is,

"This is George."

And I was just like,
"Okay, here we go,

this is what I got."

I just go, "My name
is Jeremy Corbell.

I've been following this
UFO thing for quite some time.

I'm not a crazy person,
I'm a normal person,

but I do have a camera

and I've been documenting
this guy named John Lear.

I really wanna know
the truth about UFOs,

I have no preconceived
notions, I just wanna know,

is Bob Lazar telling the truth,

is he not telling the truth?

You've been the
kingpin, the linchpin,

you've reported on this,
you're a trusted person.

I really just need to know,

is there a way that you might
be able to give me a briefing

and basically tell me the
landscape of this world

so that I can understand
it just a little bit better."

The longest pause
in telephone history.

Then all of a sudden,

I hear this kinda like,

and I'm like, "Okay, so
he's still on the phone.

Okay, here I am."

So he throws down
about an hour plus,

telling me what he knows,

what he suspects,

what he can prove,
what he can't prove,

and where this might be going.

He did that for me
with all sincerity,

not really knowing
me from anybody.

So from that day forward, man,

we became friends quickly.

So we are partners
in our work together,

he's my mentor.

When we sit here and talk,

and you give me
tutorship in a way,

and I don't even know if
you know you're doing it,

but how to operate, how
to navigate this world,

it's really powerful for me.

But he's also family to me.

- You can have all the degrees
from Harvard that you want

or any other Ivy League school,

or Oxford, or whatever,

but I tell you what is rare,

someone who you
can trust with your life

in terms of sharing
information with,

someone who gets it.

- I was coming to do an
interview for "Weaponized",

and then there was
another meeting,

and I can't talk
about that on camera,

but there was another meeting.

I'm in a car with George,

you're on speakerphone,

and the camera crew is
currently rolling, is that okay?

Absolutely fine.

- You have to be
prepared, as a journalist,

to potentially go to jail
to protect your sources.

And I have no doubt
that Jeremy would do that.

There are a lot of people

that speak to Jeremy
behind the scenes

and they trust
Jeremy with their lives.

And this is a very,
very serious thing,

because their lives
could come under threat.

- I know I saw out
in the crowd there,

my buddy, Jeremy Corbell.

Mr. Corbell says
the UFO is emerging

as a major topic of
global importance.

I can state that as a fact.

So this is huge,
this is worldwide.

- There's some very
good reporting being done

both in the mainstream media

and outside the
mainstream media.

We live in an era now

where to be a good journalist,

you don't have to be attached
to "The Washington Post",

or "The New York Times",
or "The Wall Street Journal".

People like George
Knapp and Jeremy Corbell

have broken some
really good stories.

- Look, man, I am a patriot,

but I'm also a pirate.

So you have to
understand something,

people leak footage
all the time to journalists,

and sometimes
it's military footage.

And I think it's very
powerful for the public

to have something tangible
to talk about, to analyze.

- Tonight, a newly
released video

raising questions about
the existence of UFOs.

The man who posted the footage

is documentary
filmmaker, Jeremy Corbell.

He joins me now,
Jeremy, good evening.

The footage is incredible.

- And putting out those
videos does push us forwards

in regards to the topic,

because in terms of someone
who's well versed in comms,

from my own background,

I can tell you that having
an image or a video

really propels the topic.

And I think, in terms
of the UAP field,

he's probably the
best communicator

that we actually have.

- What's the latest and
greatest in UFO information?

- The world, in my opinion,

has really changed since
we started talking about this.

These are not just claims,

we have corroborative
visual evidence.

There are times
when they have turned.

- Ooh.
- Off or on

our nuclear weapons.

- No?
- And this is well documented

by our own military.

It doesn't matter where
these machines are from,

we know they outpace,
outmaneuver and overperform

any of our weaponry.

This changes the fabric
of our understanding

of what it means to be human.

- They're coming to you

and wanting to discuss
these things with you.

The world is creaking

under the stress and the weight

of the UFO reality.

Look, ever since I started
vetting David Grusch,

he's become a part of my life,

we talk all the time.

He came to George
Knapp and me first.

So from the very beginning,

I've been vetting, vetting,

he's become part of my life.

So it's an ongoing
dialogue and conversation.

Look, man, reprisals are real.

The effect of trying
to silence people,

that is absolutely real as well.

Without getting into the
weeds of the conversations

that I have on a weekly basis

of people wanting to come
forward within agencies

that have inked already
their complaints officially

through the system,

to people like David Grusch,

who really just took it on
the chin, came forward,

said what he could
say in that setting

and said, "I got a lot more.

Get me people
authorized to hear it."

Yeah, man, you're
gonna take shots.

And again, it's not just
about having thick skin,

you better truly,
deeply be prepared

to the core of who you
are to take those hits.

There are a variety of ways

in which people get
information to me.

What I'm gonna show you now

is the footage was captured
by our military in 2018.

It's in Iraq, over
a sensitive facility.

Why it caught my attention

is because it was designated
UAP unidentified aero phenomena

by our intelligence agencies.

And then it was treated
with just spectacular secrecy.

So it was important enough

that this video was sent to me.

It does not look like
a traditional UFO,

like a sphere or a saucer,

but this shape has been seen

since the beginning
of UAP or UFOs.

Call it the Jellyfish UAP.

It's in thermal,

it was filmed on a
weapons platform.

You see that
there's a dog there.

You see the animals are black.

I'm assuming this is black hot.

You see the object
just went to white,

and you'll see it going
from white to black,

white to black.

And that's basically
showing the heat differentials

is going hot and
cold, hot and cold.

The problem was, the
optics platform was jammed.

These individuals who
target with these platforms,

they can shoot out an
Al-Qaeda tire at 27 miles away,

but not being able to lock
it was one of the first signs

that something's weird.

I was able to find
direct eyewitnesses

and corroborate that
this event did happen.

When individuals would
target in on it with the optics,

the way it was described,

each of these hanging things,

they were stiff,
they weren't moving.

They had geometric
form, like scales.

The way it was said to
me, "Scales like an armor."

There were also people
with night vision who were out

and they were
tasked to go look for it,

couldn't see it on
the night vision.

Only in the thermal
spectrum could it be seen.

But anything
that looks like that

appears to have a payload,

that's a big deal.

It could be dangerous,
so these are high priority.

But what happened is,

there were a couple
other nations involved,

and the feeds were shut,

just shut immediately.

So that put me
on high alert, too,

"Why is it completely
being shut down?"

But that's not all it did.

It goes out over
a body of water,

I'm told it stops on a dime,

descends into the water,

stiff into the water.

And for 17 minutes, nothing.

And boom, this thing
comes up out of the water

and shoots off at 45 degrees,

just like that.

It looks very much
like what I've heard

that has made incursions
into nuclear facilities,

because I know, for
sure, fact of the matter,

there is footage from
inside a nuclear facility,

and I'll just say it, Pantex,
that's the one, man.

Something that
appears identical to this

moves between
these nuclear silos,

and shot off, again,
at a 45 degree angle.

What it is, I don't know.

But now, when it goes
over a body of water,

I do have some footage of that.

This is when that same
objective, a Jellyfish UFO,

goes out over this.

You can kinda get an
idea by that distance now

how far these optic
systems can reach.

When it gets to that point
where it's over the water,

every source that
I have talked with

who is aware of this footage,

that footage exists.

You've got a UFO or a UAP,

descends into the water, stiff,

comes back up,

and then shoots off, 45 degrees.

Now, this was taken by an
intelligence agency and buried,

so I don't know, man,

these are the
cases that spark me.

I don't know what this is.

I just know when I get

military-filmed UAP
footage designated,

where people risk
getting that to me,

I take it as serious
as it sounds,

and I try to get
to the bottom of it,

and it's hard, you know?

But I do have a number
of direct eyewitnesses now.

What am I sitting on?

Yeah, you and every other

intelligence agency
on planet Earth

wants to know the
answer to that question.

Look, man, I will tell you this,

our government
in the United States

has always taken this seriously,

dead seriously.

I know for a matter of
fact that the UFO topic

is considered more important,

at a higher level of security

than weapons of
mass destruction.

Launch helo ASAP.

- This has never been something

that is adjacent
to what's important

to our intelligence agencies,

to our own government
and defense systems.

This has always been
right there, front burner,

whether they've
admitted it or not.

Track, 781 just
sped up to 46 knots.

Maintain track the best you can.

- The more and more that
people try to clamp down

on this information,

it's having the adverse effect.

More and more witnesses
are coming forward,

more and more whistleblowers,

more and more people
are calling me in confidence,

telling me what I need to know

to take the next step.

Yeah, there, yeah, man,

this guy is not reporting TCAS,

that is a unidentified
flying object, bro.

I can finally say I saw one now,

that is cool.

- Knowing the truth about what
UFOs represent to humanity

would change
humanity completely.

People speculate that
our energy would change,

it could be the
survival of planet Earth

if these technologies can do

what we are
recording them doing,

- Ooh.
- Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, what is that?

- But I think what UFOs
represent to humanity

is more important
than UFOs themselves.

Oh my gosh.

Look at it, it's behind
the tree, what is that?

- Are we alone in the universe?

No.

Is it distant life
somewhere else?

No, they're coming here.

And if that's the truth,

how would it not transform

everything about our world?

How could it not?

- If I was to tell you about
David Grusch two years ago,

you would've think I'm mad.

- What I personally witnessed,

myself and my wife,

was very disturbing.

- Is there any moment

where you've kind of
regretted speaking up?

- I don't regret it,

I didn't wanna
live in the Matrix.

- You hear others claiming

that it's an
embarrassment to science.

Mobs of scientists
attack me personally.

- The United States is
not particularly friendly

to whistleblowers.

There have actually
been some very, very odd

and mysterious
injuries and deaths.

It makes you wonder,

is there something
going on here?

- The UFO community is
absolutely its worst enemy.

- For me, it was almost like

I was being pranked in a sense.

- Make no mistake here,

many, many, many
people have stated

that they've had
such experiences.

- Past the foot of my bed,

there were two beings.

Very quickly, the being
off the foot of my bed

started moving towards me.

The other being raised its arm

that had this wand in its hand

towards me.