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[Amy] The guy is laughing.
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He's bouncing off the ceiling,
the walls...
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I'm getting nervous.
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Damn!
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I have witnessed my husband
battle something
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while he's asleep.
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Like, I'm fighting for my life
in there sometimes.
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It's attacking him!
He's [bleep] all over the place.
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[exhaling] It's like out of
a horror movie, right? - Yes.
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It would've been a nightmare.
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I let him sit there
and fight this thing!
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[in a high-pitched voice]
Who does that?
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[sniffling]
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[Amy] This guy's gonna
be obliterated.
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[Amy] I'm anxious about this.
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I'm getting nervous.
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Damn!
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Not good.
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Yeah, just not good.
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Something doesn't
feel right here.
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[creaking]
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Ooh, boy.
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I don't like this. Okay.
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Ow! Oh, God.
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I need to take a minute,
'cause, um...
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That hurt a lot.
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[Steve] I'm out here in
Summerville, South Carolina.
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It's about 25 miles north
of Charleston.
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I got a call from a desperate
woman named Traci.
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She says she used her entire life
savings to buy a home for her family,
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but the second they moved in,
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the place turned
into a paranormal war zone.
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Traci said she knows
she sounds dramatic,
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but she thinks whatever's
in the house
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is trying to kill her.
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She sounds bad, and I'm really
hoping we can help her out.
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So Traci, I gotta tell you.
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Just driving through
this neighborhood
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and coming up to this
beautiful home,
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I understand why you were
drawn to it.
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But, on the other side of that
when we spoke on the phone,
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it sounded like it's nothing
but a nightmare here.
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What the hell's going on?
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We're living through hell.
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This... This house that was
supposed to be our dream home...
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...has turned
into our nightmare.
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It sucks the life out of you.
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It takes any happiness and any
hope that you have for the future
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and... it steals it.
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Okay.
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Why don't we start
from the basics?
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Who all lives in the house?
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[Traci] My husband David and our
20 year old daughter Catherine.
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[Steve] Uh, Traci,
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do me a favor and give me a list
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of what you guys
were experiencing here.
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[Traci] We have things
moving on their own.
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We're seeing apparitions
and shadow figures.
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I'm having severe mood changes.
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And now it's beginning
to affect us physically.
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Now, you mentioned mood changes.
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Tell me about that.
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I will be fine and then
someone flips a switch
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and I see red.
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If I knew I didn't have
to pay for everything,
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I would destroy...
I'd destroy everything in the house.
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Really?
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[Traci] It gets that bad.
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And then I go after David.
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The last time it got really bad.
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I not only went after David,
but I went after Catherine.
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And I'm gonna say something ugly
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and hateful, and I'm thinking,
"Don't do that, that will hurt her so bad.
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She'll never forget it."
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Do you feel like something's
taking over you,
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or do you just feel like
you can't control yourself?
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It feels like something
is taking over me,
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because it's almost like
I'm locked in my head.
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But I can't...
it just comes out.
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You break my heart. I just...
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You were feeling guilty,
it sounds like
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because you feel like you're
dragging your family down.
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The amount of guilt I have,
you have no idea.
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Um, I have an amazing husband
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and the best child anybody
could ever ask for.
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And I...
I put them through hell.
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Any other
physical things happening?
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I mean, that's got
to take its toll on you.
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We will get anxiety.
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We will also get no energy.
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You're walking through sludge.
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It sucks the life out of you.
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And so, you guys
are my last hope.
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[Amy] I see these outlines
of people around the campfire.
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I can only make one male out.
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He's thin, white,
longer brown hair...
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I'm getting his emotions,
so he's like really stressed out.
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He's really worried.
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He knows, like,
everyone is exhausted.
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I'm talking extreme exhaustion.
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His legs are like jelly.
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You know,
so the muscles are so exhausted.
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Hmm, hmm...
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So I'm thinking that...
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...those kind
of emotional things...
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...and physical things from
the stress and the exhaustion
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may be affecting
the living here.
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Some bad [bleep] went down
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around this area.
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[Steve] Okay, Traci.
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So why are we in the garage?
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This is where I come when I
feel like I am being influenced,
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I am full of rage...
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...to decompress.
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[Steve] Are you having any
experiences while you're in here?
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I have seen a shadow figure
peeking around the corner
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into the bedroom.
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[Steve] Describe what
it looked like.
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It kind of felt like a male.
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More solid.
- More solid?
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Yes.
- [Steve] Okay.
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What are you feeling from
this shadow figure
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that's looking at you
in the bedroom?
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It makes me uncomfortable.
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Uh, it's an uneasy feeling.
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Okay, anything else?
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I feel a negative presence
or energy in the bathroom.
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[Steve] Are you sure it's not
somebody walking in,
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and you just feel like its presence?
- [Traci] I'm sure.
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Feels like there's someone
in the corner,
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and it feels heavy.
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It feels dark.
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So basically, this is almost
a menacing presence here.
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Yeah, a creeper.
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Um... you shouldn't
be in the bathroom
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when I'm taking a shower.
- [Steve] Right.
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When my daughter's in there,
nobody should be in there.
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Okay.
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[Amy] I'm hearing a male.
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He is dead, and he's crying.
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Uh, so he keeps wiping his eyes
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and, um, he feels devastated
and lost.
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I think the living would
feel this, uh...
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...despair.
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They're feeling the emotions,
I think,
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and he feels sick.
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Like, there's something
wrong with his stomach,
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you know, for sure.
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That's how he died.
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And then they're seeing him.
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I... He thinks they're
seeing him, him.
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[exhaling]
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Literally felt like something
went "bam,"
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like through my whole left side.
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It hurt. A lot.
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I think that they would
have severe...
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an intense, like,
stomach and back pain, you know?
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Like it...
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[exhaling]
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[quietly] Yes,
that hurt. Okay.
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[Steve] All right,
so what's going on in here?
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I will wake up sometimes
in extreme pain
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in my kidneys, um,
I will wake up with bruising.
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What parts of the body
are they on, mostly?
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[Traci] My legs a lot.
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Is it, to you, like you're in
bed and it looks like
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somebody's grabbing your legs?
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Something like that?
- [Traci] Yes.
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With both hands.
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They're not a pattern that
would be found on my bed,
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or by one of our animals.
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How many times
has this happened?
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It's happened probably two dozen
times since we've moved in.
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All right, anything else?
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I have witnessed my husband
battle something full-on
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while he's asleep.
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It's happened multiple times.
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What's... what's going on?
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He is yelling, "Stop! No!"
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He'll roll over,
he will push his arms out
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like he's trying to push
something off of him.
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He does not recall
when he wakes up.
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So in your opinion, does it feel
like he's being physically attacked?
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[Traci] It does feel like that.
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In his voice,
it sounds like you can hear pain.
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Thanks a lot. Okay.
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So I gotta ask you
something, Traci.
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What do you think is here when
it comes to the paranormal?
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I think there's something...
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...that's not human outside.
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And I think
there's something inside,
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or multiple things inside.
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Either way, they don't
belong here.
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And they're making our lives
a living hell.
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I'm hanging on by a thread.
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[Amy] I...
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...encountered a very
odd male.
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He's creepy and he's got
this big smile.
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So he did something to a male...
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...who was...
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...sleeping?
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The guy is laughing.
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He's bouncing off the [bleep]
ceiling, the walls,
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he's laughing.
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He's very, very bad.
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He's attacking him.
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He's [bleep] all over the place.
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There's some kind of impact
to the mid-chest.
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I feel like it's a punch
to the chest.
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Like, he's kind of claiming,
like, "I was just scaring him..."
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But this male is feeling,
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like, he's being attacked.
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What was his experience?
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He's like stuck.
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Can't move his arms,
trying to move his arms.
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Like, feeling like there's
a person on him.
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Something's on him.
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You know, "Get it off me."
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[Steve] So Catherine,
I spoke with Mom earlier.
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She thinks something
in the house
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is making her
fly off the handle.
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I mean, do you agree?
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Yes, sir.
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It's tough.
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Yeah, I can definitely tell
she's not herself.
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The rage... it's...
you can't even describe it.
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It's scary leaving,
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like if I have to go to school,
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but I know she...
she's having an episode or a hard time,
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that I don't want to leave
her alone.
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Okay.
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What about experiences here?
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What can you tell me about
that you've had?
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I've seen a creature standing
outside of my window.
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[Tony] Okay. This window here?
- [Catherine] Yes, sir.
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When you say "a creature,"
what are you talking about?
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I could only see from
the torso up.
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Okay.
- [Catherine] Um...
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But it... it seemed
really tall.
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And it was...
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...pitch black.
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This was at night?
- [Catherine] Yes, sir.
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[Steve] Could it have been
somebody from college
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playing a prank, maybe?
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No, sir. The shape of it...
It wasn't human.
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Okay, anything else?
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I was in the bathroom
one morning.
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I was just standing at the sink,
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brushing my teeth, and something
pulled the shower curtain open.
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But there wasn't anything there.
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And I was the only one
in the bathroom.
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I know you guys got pets.
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I mean, was any
of the pets in the room?
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No, sir.
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What did you do?
'Cause I think I would've ran out.
256
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I think I kind of
just... froze.
257
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It's shocking,
but you always get used to it.
258
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So... - Okay, you guys are
basically numb to everything
259
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that's going on.
- Yes, sir.
260
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Okay. So anything else?
261
00:11:58,367 --> 00:12:02,533
One time I saw the reflection of a
man standing behind me in my mirror.
262
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Here in this room?
- [Catherine] Yes, sir.
263
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He was standing in my doorway.
264
00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:08,146
Okay, you're sure nobody
came walking into the house
265
00:12:08,166 --> 00:12:09,467
trying to rob the place, right?
- [Catherine] Yes, sir.
266
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Dad was sleeping,
Mom was sleeping...
267
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How are you sleeping at night?
268
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I think I try to block it out.
269
00:12:14,593 --> 00:12:15,880
Okay.
- [Catherine] Um...
270
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I mean, sometimes you
still get that feeling
271
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of you're laying there and you feel
something in the room with you,
272
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even if you're
not seeing anything,
273
00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:24,734
you can tell someone's.
like, standing right next to you.
274
00:12:27,867 --> 00:12:30,266
[Amy] That creepy smiling guy
is out here.
275
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His eyes are sewn...
276
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uh, shut.
277
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,440
Uh, and they're kind of
caved in.
278
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He's got this smile
on this face,
279
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and the smile is not normal.
280
00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:46,734
It's, like, grotesque.
281
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So it's big.
282
00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:52,367
And you can just see his...
his teeth.
283
00:12:52,387 --> 00:12:53,847
He's very, very bad.
284
00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:57,080
I tried to get more info
out of him,
285
00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:02,166
but then he turns into, like,
a complete shadow person.
286
00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:08,900
And now he loses all of
the features in the hair.
287
00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,000
His head becomes
completely round,
288
00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:14,847
and there's just that smile.
289
00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:17,600
Now he kind of becomes
like a stick figure
290
00:13:17,620 --> 00:13:18,614
with a smile.
291
00:13:18,634 --> 00:13:21,166
He started climbing the walls,
and then he, like,
292
00:13:21,186 --> 00:13:22,533
disappeared out the wall.
293
00:13:23,467 --> 00:13:24,734
Oh yeah, he's bad.
294
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,867
[Steve] So David,
I've talked to your wife earlier.
295
00:13:35,887 --> 00:13:38,000
She seems like a very
sweet woman, right?
296
00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:38,980
Yeah.
297
00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,467
But it sounds like she
just totally changes.
298
00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:43,367
Yeah, it's... it's like
night and day.
299
00:13:43,387 --> 00:13:44,433
What do you see happen?
300
00:13:45,734 --> 00:13:47,634
Just... rage.
301
00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:49,200
Um...
302
00:13:49,367 --> 00:13:50,146
Hatred.
303
00:13:50,166 --> 00:13:51,513
It's almost indescribable.
304
00:13:51,533 --> 00:13:54,367
It's like she could lose
her mind and then,
305
00:13:54,387 --> 00:13:56,050
like, flip everything.
306
00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:57,734
And then just go nuts.
307
00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:00,513
It's insane to see it.
308
00:14:00,533 --> 00:14:02,166
It's gotta be a little
stressful for you.
309
00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,347
Yeah, very.
310
00:14:04,367 --> 00:14:07,367
So, have you had any experiences
that you can't explain?
311
00:14:07,387 --> 00:14:10,467
Yeah, the smoke detectors
go off by themselves.
312
00:14:10,487 --> 00:14:12,166
All right, so was this
one defective...
313
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,080
...smoke detector?
314
00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:17,000
No, we have three
throughout the house.
315
00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:18,080
Okay.
316
00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:21,233
At different times,
one would go off.
317
00:14:22,367 --> 00:14:23,513
That's odd.
- [David] Yeah.
318
00:14:23,533 --> 00:14:26,000
Were there any signs
that smoke might've...
319
00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:27,447
...into the house?
- No. No.
320
00:14:27,467 --> 00:14:29,146
There was no
electrical problems?
321
00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:32,080
No, they're not hard-wired.
It isn't battery operated.
322
00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,734
All right, is there anything else you
can tell me that you can't explain?
323
00:14:35,266 --> 00:14:37,266
Yeah, the dogs and the cats
324
00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,100
are staring...
325
00:14:39,734 --> 00:14:41,980
...at things we can't see.
326
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,233
And they're...
they're, like, fixated on it? - Yes.
327
00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,080
Our dog, he sat here...
328
00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:51,533
...one night, and just
looked up there and barked.
329
00:14:52,867 --> 00:14:54,513
And you couldn't shut him up.
330
00:14:54,533 --> 00:14:55,789
All right, so let me
ask a question.
331
00:14:55,809 --> 00:14:57,066
Do you have a crawlspace
up there?
332
00:14:57,367 --> 00:14:58,347
[David] Yup.
333
00:14:58,367 --> 00:14:59,513
[Steve] What's your thoughts
on it, though?
334
00:14:59,533 --> 00:15:01,000
Do you think that it could
have something paranormal?
335
00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:03,000
Definitely something
that's not normal.
336
00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:04,267
That's for sure.
337
00:15:05,166 --> 00:15:06,447
So David, I spoke to your wife.
338
00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:08,680
And, uh, she explained
to me that you're going
339
00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:10,700
through some stuff when you're...
when you're sleeping.
340
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,580
She just told me several times
341
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,100
just... like I'm...
fighting for my life
342
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,880
in there sometimes, and...
343
00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:21,000
...just tossing and turning and
obviously I don't know I'm doing it.
344
00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:22,900
I need to try to figure out
what's going on
345
00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,734
or whatever, something.
346
00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:26,633
'Cause...
347
00:15:27,533 --> 00:15:28,634
...I don't have a clue.
348
00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:35,614
[Amy] That creepy smiling guy
349
00:15:35,634 --> 00:15:38,066
is obsessed with someone
in this house.
350
00:15:40,266 --> 00:15:42,447
There's the living...
351
00:15:42,467 --> 00:15:46,100
I'm thinking dude laying here, right?
- [cameraman] Right.
352
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,467
[Amy] The smiling dude...
- [cameraman] Mmm-hmm.
353
00:15:49,487 --> 00:15:52,634
...is, was on him enough
like this.
354
00:15:52,654 --> 00:15:53,513
[cameraman] Mmm-hmm.
355
00:15:53,533 --> 00:15:56,433
[Amy] That thing
is like molesting people.
356
00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,100
I'm thinking this might be
the same living person
357
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,867
whose... was on the couch!
358
00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:07,734
This male is feeling like
he's being attacked.
359
00:16:08,734 --> 00:16:12,433
Occasionally, other people
might get...
360
00:16:13,266 --> 00:16:15,146
...affected by him.
361
00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:17,900
I think he's attracted to...
362
00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,614
...the living male.
363
00:16:20,634 --> 00:16:23,066
Person woke up, freaking out.
364
00:16:24,467 --> 00:16:26,266
Do you know what he wants
to do to him?
365
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,333
Uh, kill him.
366
00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:37,367
[Steve] First question I ask when
I start these investigations is,
367
00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:39,716
"Who was the original owner
of my client's land?"
368
00:16:39,736 --> 00:16:41,941
Usually it's someone boring
and I move on.
369
00:16:41,961 --> 00:16:44,146
But in this case,
it's different.
370
00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:46,046
I'm on my way to meet
a genealogist
371
00:16:46,066 --> 00:16:48,867
who says the first owners
experienced nothing but misery
372
00:16:48,887 --> 00:16:50,700
the second they bought
the property.
373
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,533
And it all ended with a murder.
374
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,500
Well Jeff, thanks for helping
me out with this case.
375
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,166
This family, what can you
tell me about them?
376
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,716
Yeah, the matriarch
of the family
377
00:17:02,736 --> 00:17:04,246
was a lady
named Harriet Harllee.
378
00:17:04,266 --> 00:17:07,500
She was born in 1837
in South Carolina,
379
00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,333
and when she was 20 in 1857,
380
00:17:09,353 --> 00:17:11,016
she married her first husband.
381
00:17:11,036 --> 00:17:12,680
His name was Robert Graham.
382
00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:14,600
And the Grahams really had
a lot going for them.
383
00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:16,433
They had money,
they had social status,
384
00:17:16,453 --> 00:17:18,249
and eventually they had
nine children.
385
00:17:18,269 --> 00:17:20,046
All right, so, uh,
what about her husband?
386
00:17:20,066 --> 00:17:23,266
What did he do? - Robert Graham
was a judge in the Charleston area.
387
00:17:23,286 --> 00:17:26,246
And he had a pretty fascinating
ancestral background.
388
00:17:26,266 --> 00:17:31,367
His great grandfather arrived in
the Carolinas in 1735 from England.
389
00:17:31,387 --> 00:17:33,266
His grandfather fought
in the Revolutionary War.
390
00:17:33,286 --> 00:17:35,146
And Robert himself was a colonel
391
00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,873
in the Confederate Army
during the Civil War.
392
00:17:36,893 --> 00:17:38,600
All right, so a lot of history
with this family.
393
00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:39,947
Definitely.
394
00:17:39,967 --> 00:17:41,367
So I know when they got to my
client's property, things went bad.
395
00:17:41,387 --> 00:17:43,266
You told me that, but,
what about before that?
396
00:17:43,286 --> 00:17:44,433
Was everything okay?
397
00:17:44,453 --> 00:17:45,580
Unfortunately not.
398
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,166
Um, they actually lost
their first daughter Harriet.
399
00:17:48,186 --> 00:17:51,347
Uh, she was only
six months old in 1857.
400
00:17:51,367 --> 00:17:53,367
A few years after that,
they lost a son, Archie.
401
00:17:53,387 --> 00:17:54,714
He was only two years old.
402
00:17:54,734 --> 00:17:58,600
Then in 1874, Judge Graham himself
passed away from yellow fever.
403
00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:00,246
He was only 41.
404
00:18:00,266 --> 00:18:01,967
And this was
the judge's obituary.
405
00:18:01,987 --> 00:18:03,347
Okay.
406
00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:04,533
All right, so things
are tough for this woman.
407
00:18:04,553 --> 00:18:05,947
She's got two dead kids now.
408
00:18:05,967 --> 00:18:07,367
Does it get better for her
at all?
409
00:18:07,387 --> 00:18:08,580
No, they actually get worse.
410
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,246
Not long after
Judge Graham died,
411
00:18:10,266 --> 00:18:13,066
uh, one of her children
died from food poisoning
412
00:18:13,086 --> 00:18:14,800
as a result
of eating bad chicken.
413
00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:16,347
Bad chicken?
414
00:18:16,367 --> 00:18:18,367
[Jeffrey] Yeah,
and here's an article about that.
415
00:18:18,387 --> 00:18:20,117
[Steve] Okay,
so now we got a widow.
416
00:18:20,137 --> 00:18:21,867
She's down
to six kids, unfortunately.
417
00:18:21,887 --> 00:18:23,246
When does she remarry?
418
00:18:23,266 --> 00:18:26,967
Um, 1881 she remarried
to Benjamin Muckenfuss,
419
00:18:26,987 --> 00:18:29,116
and they had one daughter
named Nell.
420
00:18:29,136 --> 00:18:31,266
Uh, when did they actually
come and, uh,
421
00:18:31,286 --> 00:18:32,580
purchase my client's property?
422
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,533
Yeah, in 1886,
the family decided to leave Charleston
423
00:18:35,553 --> 00:18:36,980
and move up
to the Summerville area,
424
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,347
and they bought a large
tract of land
425
00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:41,046
that included the property
that your client owns now.
426
00:18:41,066 --> 00:18:42,273
[Steve] All right,
so we know things went bad
427
00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:43,500
when they got on
my client's property.
428
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,480
How soon?
429
00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:45,714
Uh, pretty quick, actually.
430
00:18:45,734 --> 00:18:47,680
Eight days after they
settled on the land,
431
00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:50,000
uh, their daughter Nell
died of whooping cough.
432
00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:51,533
She was only four years old.
433
00:18:52,166 --> 00:18:53,980
This is her death certificate.
434
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,467
[Steve] All right,
so this poor woman went through tragedy
435
00:18:56,487 --> 00:18:57,847
no one should have to deal with.
436
00:18:57,867 --> 00:19:00,166
But you mentioned on the phone
about a murder.
437
00:19:00,186 --> 00:19:01,714
What the hell happened
with that?
438
00:19:01,734 --> 00:19:06,867
Yes, actually, in 1907, um, Harriet's
oldest surviving son Robert Graham Jr.,
439
00:19:06,887 --> 00:19:07,947
uh, was murdered.
440
00:19:07,967 --> 00:19:10,347
Uh, he had entered a store
in Stallsville,
441
00:19:10,367 --> 00:19:12,867
which is about a mile from
your client's house.
442
00:19:12,887 --> 00:19:13,714
Okay.
443
00:19:13,734 --> 00:19:15,500
There was a man in there
named Luke Chisolm,
444
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,347
he had been drinking.
445
00:19:16,367 --> 00:19:18,233
Uh, the two got
into an argument...
446
00:19:18,634 --> 00:19:19,714
...it turned violent.
447
00:19:19,734 --> 00:19:21,680
Uh, they rolled out the door
into the street,
448
00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:25,066
and Chisolm had an iron bar
and beat him over the head.
449
00:19:25,086 --> 00:19:26,867
I swear, this woman
endured more heartache
450
00:19:26,887 --> 00:19:28,266
than anybody should
have to endure.
451
00:19:28,286 --> 00:19:29,947
How'd she handle all this?
452
00:19:29,967 --> 00:19:32,166
I think that was the straw
that broke the camel's back.
453
00:19:32,186 --> 00:19:33,849
Uh, she died of pneumonia.
454
00:19:33,869 --> 00:19:35,513
Um, she was 74 years old.
455
00:19:35,533 --> 00:19:37,614
[Steve] It's amazing she lived
as long as she did.
456
00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:40,867
I mean, just the stress alone I think
I would've lost it a long time ago.
457
00:19:40,887 --> 00:19:44,800
Yeah, 74 is impressive to live that
much of a life through tragedy.
458
00:19:49,367 --> 00:19:51,634
[Amy] I'm seeing that creepy
smiling dude again.
459
00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:57,634
All of a sudden,
his hair becomes long.
460
00:19:59,734 --> 00:20:02,500
And it has that curl,
and it has a bow.
461
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,250
You know, back in the day.
462
00:20:04,270 --> 00:20:06,000
The dudes used to have that.
463
00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:08,146
It was wigs, usually.
464
00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:11,246
He's got that, like,
kind of French
465
00:20:11,266 --> 00:20:15,367
or maybe English style
of clothing
466
00:20:15,387 --> 00:20:18,680
from the 1750s to the 1850s.
467
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:21,847
He's showing that this is
in his family lineage.
468
00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,700
I think they were the original
owners of the land here.
469
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,967
[bell ringing]
470
00:20:29,867 --> 00:20:32,000
[cameraman] Did you get a sense
of when the smiley guy died?
471
00:20:33,867 --> 00:20:36,146
Like 1880s.
472
00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:38,734
He was relatively young, though.
473
00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:41,467
Like, did he die young?
474
00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:44,467
I think he was the last one
to die.
475
00:20:46,533 --> 00:20:48,480
Or at least the last psychopath.
476
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,734
[chuckling] I don't know,
in the family...
477
00:20:52,734 --> 00:20:54,347
[Steve] So far,
I have a desperate client
478
00:20:54,367 --> 00:20:58,000
who believes the paranormal is
causing her to lash out at her family,
479
00:20:58,020 --> 00:21:00,266
on a property where
the original owner's son
480
00:21:00,286 --> 00:21:01,467
was beaten to death.
481
00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:05,433
But, I want to see if
there's anything else.
482
00:21:06,166 --> 00:21:07,146
Searching through old records,
483
00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:09,347
I find the previous owner
of Traci's house
484
00:21:09,367 --> 00:21:12,800
was killed in a hit-and-run
accident while out riding his bike.
485
00:21:17,066 --> 00:21:18,606
I'm heading over to meet
a retired cop.
486
00:21:18,626 --> 00:21:20,146
She's looking into this case
for me,
487
00:21:20,166 --> 00:21:23,800
and says the hit-and-run driver
barely got a slap on the wrist.
488
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:26,347
I know she's gonna piss me off,
489
00:21:26,367 --> 00:21:27,900
but I gotta find out
what happened.
490
00:21:35,367 --> 00:21:37,367
[Steve] Well, Dr. Love.
Thanks for looking into this for me.
491
00:21:37,387 --> 00:21:38,347
I appreciate that.
492
00:21:38,367 --> 00:21:39,714
[Dr. Love] Yes, sir.
493
00:21:39,734 --> 00:21:40,867
[Steve] So before we get to
the hit-and-tun,
494
00:21:40,887 --> 00:21:42,046
what do we know about
the victim?
495
00:21:42,066 --> 00:21:46,166
Well, William Adams Jr.
was born in 1936.
496
00:21:46,186 --> 00:21:48,066
And this is
his high school picture.
497
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:51,640
[Steve] What did he
do for a living?
498
00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:53,953
[Dr. Love] He retired
from the Air Force
499
00:21:53,973 --> 00:21:56,266
after 21 years,
and when he retired,
500
00:21:56,286 --> 00:21:58,614
he became a civil engineer
501
00:21:58,634 --> 00:22:00,700
at the Charleston Navy Shipyard.
502
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,614
All right, Dr. Love.
503
00:22:01,634 --> 00:22:04,073
So let's get to the action
and what happened.
504
00:22:04,093 --> 00:22:07,470
So William, Bill,
was an avid bicycle rider,
505
00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:10,847
and early Saturday morning,
July 7th, 1984,
506
00:22:10,867 --> 00:22:13,166
he was riding his bicycle
on Dorchester Road.
507
00:22:13,186 --> 00:22:15,680
And he got hit by a car.
508
00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:17,734
There was no witnesses
at the time,
509
00:22:17,754 --> 00:22:19,900
and the driver fled the scene.
510
00:22:21,367 --> 00:22:23,480
[Steve] Geez,
this guy died young. 47.
511
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:26,873
[Dr. Love] He did. - [Steve] So what
was the official cause of death?
512
00:22:26,893 --> 00:22:30,266
The coroner came back and said
that he had massive head injuries,
513
00:22:30,286 --> 00:22:33,447
um, broken bones,
and internal injuries.
514
00:22:33,467 --> 00:22:35,867
All right, so I know they made
an arrest on this case.
515
00:22:35,887 --> 00:22:36,614
Who was it?
516
00:22:36,634 --> 00:22:40,480
[Dr. Love] A 22 year old
Gerard Geddis.
517
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:44,000
So you mentioned on the phone that
this kid got a slap on the wrist.
518
00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,580
I mean, what was he
charged with originally?
519
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,467
So originally, he was charged
with reckless homicide,
520
00:22:48,487 --> 00:22:51,066
and leaving the scene
of an accident. - Okay.
521
00:22:51,086 --> 00:22:53,146
And later the solicitor's office
522
00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:56,440
dropped the reckless homicide
due to lack of evidence.
523
00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:59,734
The judge sentenced a year
suspended on 30 days served.
524
00:22:59,754 --> 00:23:01,847
And that's it.
- [Dr. Love] That's it.
525
00:23:01,867 --> 00:23:03,847
[Steve] In my book,
there's no justice here.
526
00:23:03,867 --> 00:23:06,100
You hit someone and leave
the scene of the crime,
527
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,233
that's gotta be more
than 30 days in jail.
528
00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:14,233
[Amy] I'm seeing that older dead
guy with the stomach pain again.
529
00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:19,467
He's maybe early 60s?
530
00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:22,756
Kind of balding, uh...
531
00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:25,347
...brown hair, glasses...
532
00:23:25,367 --> 00:23:28,634
I think he used to maybe
own this house?
533
00:23:31,867 --> 00:23:34,146
He doesn't know he died.
534
00:23:34,166 --> 00:23:37,233
He might've died in the 1980s,
I'm thinking.
535
00:23:37,867 --> 00:23:40,723
This was a bad moment for him.
536
00:23:40,743 --> 00:23:43,580
He's very upset about something.
537
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,100
And he's acting a little
wacked out right now.
538
00:23:46,867 --> 00:23:48,734
He's crying...
539
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,367
He feels like
he lost everything...
540
00:23:52,387 --> 00:23:54,500
He had some depression issues.
541
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,733
Um...
542
00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:58,367
Now he's, like,
brandishing a gun.
543
00:23:58,387 --> 00:23:59,714
Okay.
544
00:23:59,734 --> 00:24:01,433
What the [bleep]?
545
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,440
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547
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549
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550
00:24:13,887 --> 00:24:15,100
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551
00:24:18,867 --> 00:24:21,100
[Steve] I just got a call
from a local historian.
552
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,980
He says back before
the Civil War,
553
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,123
plantation owners in this area formed
something called slave patrols...
554
00:24:27,143 --> 00:24:31,246
...that would literally go out
and track down runaway slaves.
555
00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:34,533
He tells me these missions
would often end up in bloodshed.
556
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,333
So, Randy, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
557
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,347
Let's start with the basics.
558
00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:47,447
I mean, this is the South.
559
00:24:47,467 --> 00:24:50,246
I'm sure the slave trade
was pretty big here, right?
560
00:24:50,266 --> 00:24:55,000
Yeah, in fact, Charleston Port
was the main importation point
561
00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:56,447
for enslaved people.
562
00:24:56,467 --> 00:24:58,634
Okay, so Randy,
let's get to this slave patrol.
563
00:24:58,654 --> 00:25:00,046
What the hell is that?
564
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:03,840
There was such a prevalence
of slavery in Charleston
565
00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:07,103
that in 1704 the colonial
legislature enacted a law
566
00:25:07,123 --> 00:25:10,367
that specified that there
would be slave patrols.
567
00:25:10,387 --> 00:25:13,980
And every able-bodied young man
568
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,266
in this area would have been required at
different times to serve on slave patrols.
569
00:25:19,286 --> 00:25:22,367
The slave patrols eventually
evolved into the Ku Klux Klan.
570
00:25:22,387 --> 00:25:24,880
That was its origins.
- Really?
571
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,373
How many people were in these
patrols, and what did they do?
572
00:25:28,393 --> 00:25:31,586
They usually consisted of
anywhere from 10-12 individuals.
573
00:25:31,606 --> 00:25:34,926
They would patrol the streets,
they would patrol the highways,
574
00:25:34,946 --> 00:25:38,266
and if they encountered any enslaved
people, or freed men,
575
00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:40,714
on the streets,
or on the trails,
576
00:25:40,734 --> 00:25:44,266
they would accost them and
insist on seeing their papers.
577
00:25:44,286 --> 00:25:45,980
Well, that was the question
I was gonna ask you.
578
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,734
I mean, how the hell did they
know who they were looking for?
579
00:25:47,754 --> 00:25:50,100
Thousands of ads
were placed in papers,
580
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:51,634
in Charleston
and in Summerville.
581
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,080
Um...
582
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:54,580
...describing runaway slaves,
583
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,467
and offering rewards for anyone
who could bring them back.
584
00:25:57,487 --> 00:25:58,880
Here's a sample of them.
585
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,700
[Steve] So these were the actual
ads that were in the paper?
586
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,680
[Randy] Yes.
587
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,773
Each one of these ads
represents a human being
588
00:26:03,793 --> 00:26:05,867
who was trying to establish
their own freedom.
589
00:26:05,887 --> 00:26:07,533
[Steve] Where would they try
to hide out?
590
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,347
Any particular spot?
591
00:26:09,367 --> 00:26:11,467
The safest place would've been
in the marshes,
592
00:26:11,487 --> 00:26:12,780
because they're
harder to get to,
593
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,447
and so the slave patrols
would've been forced
594
00:26:15,467 --> 00:26:19,700
to pursue them in some really
inhospitable territory.
595
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,700
What happens to these guys
if they're caught?
596
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,714
[Randy] It's not good.
597
00:26:22,734 --> 00:26:25,347
If a runaway was caught, uh,
for the first time...
598
00:26:25,367 --> 00:26:27,800
[Steve] Okay.
- ...the punishment was, uh, a whipping.
599
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:30,250
And it was usually
up to 40 lashes.
600
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:32,680
But if you did it a second time,
601
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,100
they would take a branding
iron with an R on it
602
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,867
and sizzle it into
your right cheek.
603
00:26:37,887 --> 00:26:38,847
The R for...
604
00:26:38,867 --> 00:26:40,506
Runaway.
- [Steve] Runaway, okay.
605
00:26:40,526 --> 00:26:42,146
And if you were caught
a third time,
606
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:44,880
they would cut off
the enslaved person's ears.
607
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,166
If they were caught a fourth
time and they were male,
608
00:26:47,186 --> 00:26:48,447
they could be castrated.
609
00:26:48,467 --> 00:26:51,614
And if they were, um,
caught a fifth time,
610
00:26:51,634 --> 00:26:55,533
they would actually sever the
Achilles tendon and disable them.
611
00:26:55,553 --> 00:26:57,166
I mean, it's like out
of a horror movie.
612
00:26:57,186 --> 00:26:58,714
Right?
- Yes.
613
00:26:58,734 --> 00:27:00,233
It would've been a nightmare.
614
00:27:04,867 --> 00:27:07,967
[Amy] I'm seeing the people
around the campfire again.
615
00:27:09,734 --> 00:27:12,000
There was one or two
Native American women,
616
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:13,634
10-11 men.
617
00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:17,907
It's work-related.
They're working.
618
00:27:17,927 --> 00:27:20,003
And then searching
for something.
619
00:27:20,023 --> 00:27:22,080
They're looking for something.
620
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,467
And I'm hearing,
I think it's a male,
621
00:27:24,487 --> 00:27:25,347
it's a male voice.
622
00:27:25,367 --> 00:27:28,166
I'm hearing, "Oh, not again!"
623
00:27:28,186 --> 00:27:29,780
Like, "Not again!"
624
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,734
"I," you know, "I just can't
go through this again!
625
00:27:32,754 --> 00:27:35,433
I cannot go through this again!
626
00:27:36,867 --> 00:27:39,190
I can't deal with this anymore.
627
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:41,533
There's no hope left."
628
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,467
Are you able to tell yet, at
all, what they're afraid of?
629
00:27:46,487 --> 00:27:47,967
The other men!
630
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,066
This dude has some panic
going on.
631
00:27:52,867 --> 00:27:55,734
He's starting
to experience fear.
632
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,066
So I'm thinking he died...
633
00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,533
...a traumatic death.
634
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,080
I saw a lot of disturbing
things on my walk,
635
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,734
but the smiling man attacking
a living person
636
00:28:15,754 --> 00:28:17,533
concerns me the most.
637
00:28:18,533 --> 00:28:23,066
He's got his hands on the guy
who's laying in the bed.
638
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,800
He is thin.
639
00:28:26,634 --> 00:28:29,367
All of his hair is back,
640
00:28:29,387 --> 00:28:31,246
in a ponytail.
641
00:28:31,266 --> 00:28:34,614
His eyes are sewn shut.
642
00:28:34,634 --> 00:28:39,333
See, he's got a huge,
grotesque smile.
643
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,366
Yeah.
644
00:28:41,634 --> 00:28:43,734
And it's all kind of oversized.
645
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,233
It's gross.
646
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,166
Is this what you saw?
647
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,167
Yes.
648
00:29:13,367 --> 00:29:14,347
[Steve] Now that Amy and I
649
00:29:14,367 --> 00:29:16,046
have completed
our investigations,
650
00:29:16,066 --> 00:29:19,000
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other,
651
00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:21,233
and our clients
for the first time.
652
00:29:21,253 --> 00:29:23,467
So Amy, I'd like you
to meet Traci...
653
00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:25,046
...and Catherine.
654
00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:26,606
They're mother and daughter.
655
00:29:26,626 --> 00:29:28,146
They live here with David,
656
00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:31,467
Traci's husband
and Catherine's dad.
657
00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:34,867
Now, this house
was their dream come true,
658
00:29:34,887 --> 00:29:37,614
and they spent years
saving for it.
659
00:29:37,634 --> 00:29:40,867
But now they believe whatever's
here is ripping them apart.
660
00:29:40,887 --> 00:29:42,947
These guys are praying
you can find a way
661
00:29:42,967 --> 00:29:46,233
to save their home, their
sanity, and their family.
662
00:29:47,266 --> 00:29:49,166
Now, unless Amy's got
some questions for you guys,
663
00:29:49,186 --> 00:29:50,367
she'll tell us about her walk.
664
00:29:55,266 --> 00:29:58,533
[Amy] The first thing
that I'm going to discuss
665
00:29:58,553 --> 00:30:02,633
is what I encountered
in the backyard.
666
00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:06,734
What I saw was a campfire
back there.
667
00:30:07,166 --> 00:30:08,233
There was about...
668
00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:11,233
...I don't know,
12 or 13 people.
669
00:30:11,634 --> 00:30:14,000
I got a lot of anxiety.
670
00:30:14,367 --> 00:30:16,480
A lot of stress.
671
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:22,066
The physical exhaustion that
I felt from these individuals
672
00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:25,347
was like my legs
felt like jelly.
673
00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:32,467
I think the living here would really,
uh, feel this type of exhaustion.
674
00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:34,480
Traci, I mean, come on.
675
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,000
We talked about you feeling
exhausted and anxious.
676
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:38,046
Absolutely.
677
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:42,533
Um, the exhaustion,
the draining is indescribable.
678
00:30:42,553 --> 00:30:44,533
My anxiety, it does
go through the roof.
679
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,233
It just feels bad.
680
00:30:49,166 --> 00:30:50,367
[Steve] Okay, what else we got?
681
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,046
[Amy] So I come inside,
682
00:30:53,066 --> 00:30:55,233
and this little guy comes up.
683
00:30:55,734 --> 00:30:59,513
He is, like, uh, in his 60s.
684
00:30:59,533 --> 00:31:03,367
What I was thinking is that
he was probably an owner.
685
00:31:03,387 --> 00:31:07,246
I got that he might've died
in the 80s.
686
00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:12,000
I was worried that you guys
may, uh, have experiences
687
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:15,146
with depression if he's around.
688
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:19,440
He has some stomach issues,
like really bad.
689
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:23,734
I think it has something
to do with how he died.
690
00:31:24,867 --> 00:31:28,246
I... felt intense pain.
691
00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:32,173
Like I'd been hit
on my left side hard.
692
00:31:32,193 --> 00:31:36,100
That would kind of bring in
any back pain
693
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,347
that you may experience.
694
00:31:39,367 --> 00:31:44,166
I will wake up and feel like someone
has just repeatedly kicked me
695
00:31:44,186 --> 00:31:46,347
in the kidney, overnight.
696
00:31:46,367 --> 00:31:50,367
Or I will wake up and feel like
I can't walk and need a walker.
697
00:31:50,387 --> 00:31:52,146
I have gone and had every scan,
698
00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:55,166
all bloodwork,
everything comes back normal.
699
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:01,500
He did express that
you guys may have seen him
700
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,733
on a couple of occasions.
701
00:32:03,753 --> 00:32:05,947
So it was in my bedroom.
702
00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:09,367
There was a guy standing behind
me that I could see in the mirror.
703
00:32:09,387 --> 00:32:11,634
So I of course turn around,
there's no one there. - Mmm-hmm.
704
00:32:11,654 --> 00:32:14,146
I look back in the mirror,
no one's there.
705
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,867
[Steve] All right, now Amy,
you also said this guy can cause depression.
706
00:32:17,887 --> 00:32:20,867
One of the biggest reasons
we were called in...
707
00:32:20,887 --> 00:32:23,867
...is Traci here is having
severe mood swings.
708
00:32:23,887 --> 00:32:25,580
And it's causing
her to lash out.
709
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,533
I will be completely fine,
and then all of a sudden,
710
00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:31,333
I will see red.
711
00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:33,233
And...
712
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,480
...it's instant.
713
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:37,246
I've tried to keep
Catherine out of it,
714
00:32:37,266 --> 00:32:40,000
and I'm like, "I could
never say that to my child.
715
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:42,580
I would never hurt her
like that."
716
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,734
And then it comes...
it comes out of my mouth.
717
00:32:45,754 --> 00:32:47,614
'Cause I'm usually the one,
you know,
718
00:32:47,634 --> 00:32:49,734
if no one else can, like,
maybe calm her down or help her.
719
00:32:49,754 --> 00:32:52,000
But even in this, like, I can't.
720
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:54,266
[quietly] No one deserves that.
721
00:32:54,286 --> 00:32:55,634
Not... no one.
722
00:32:57,266 --> 00:32:59,800
I would give my life for her
in a second.
723
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,540
And to know that I make her
feel like that
724
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,080
is the exact opposite of what
I've done
725
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,634
for the last 20 years,
to try to protect her.
726
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:11,706
So we have a guy who died
in the 80s
727
00:33:11,726 --> 00:33:13,166
and maybe owned this house,
all right?
728
00:33:13,186 --> 00:33:14,447
So...
729
00:33:14,467 --> 00:33:16,634
...you might be talking about
William Adams Jr. who
730
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,513
was born and raised
here in South Carolina.
731
00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:22,940
Um, this is actually what he looked
like in his high school days.
732
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,367
He was a military man and served
in the Air Force for 21 years.
733
00:33:27,367 --> 00:33:30,266
Bill bought this house
with his third wife in 1982.
734
00:33:30,286 --> 00:33:31,146
Ah!
735
00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:35,146
But tragedy hit
on July 7th, 1984.
736
00:33:35,166 --> 00:33:37,066
Now that morning,
Bill went out for a bike ride
737
00:33:37,086 --> 00:33:38,580
on an isolated road,
738
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,166
when suddenly he was hit
by a car.
739
00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:43,123
Now, the driver took off,
and by the time
740
00:33:43,143 --> 00:33:45,928
the paramedics got
to the scene, he was dead.
741
00:33:45,948 --> 00:33:48,734
Oh! Hmm...
- Now, Bill was just 47 years old.
742
00:33:48,754 --> 00:33:50,714
Oh, he was young!
743
00:33:50,734 --> 00:33:54,734
[Steve] The coroner's report showed
he had massive internal injuries.
744
00:33:54,754 --> 00:33:56,967
They estimated he was
probably hit at about
745
00:33:56,987 --> 00:33:58,080
45 miles per hour.
746
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,000
The good news is,
the cops found the low-life who hit him.
747
00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:02,447
He was a 22 year old kid
748
00:34:02,467 --> 00:34:04,600
who eventually got sentenced
to a year in prison,
749
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:07,347
but only ended up doing 30 days.
750
00:34:07,367 --> 00:34:10,447
Um... yeah.
Here's an article about that. - Damn!
751
00:34:10,467 --> 00:34:13,467
[Steve] Now this guy's left
behind a wife and two sons.
752
00:34:13,487 --> 00:34:15,266
One of the sons was only
three years old.
753
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,800
I'm... sad.
754
00:34:18,367 --> 00:34:19,466
For him.
755
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:20,533
[Amy] Wow!
756
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:24,634
[Steve] All right, so what else?
757
00:34:24,654 --> 00:34:27,246
So there's this other male.
758
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:29,467
He's the one I'm
concerned about here.
759
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,266
His family goes
very way back here,
760
00:34:33,286 --> 00:34:34,980
maybe about 200 years.
761
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,266
They were the original owners
of the land in this area.
762
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:42,347
He is very odd-looking.
763
00:34:42,367 --> 00:34:44,857
I saw him in a couple
of different forms.
764
00:34:44,877 --> 00:34:47,367
Uh, but the one that really
stood out to me
765
00:34:47,387 --> 00:34:49,634
was the one where he has
this, like,
766
00:34:49,654 --> 00:34:51,734
really grotesque smile.
767
00:34:53,066 --> 00:34:57,246
His eyes are sewn, uh, shut.
768
00:34:57,266 --> 00:34:59,756
Uh, and they're kind of
caved in.
769
00:34:59,776 --> 00:35:02,928
He's got this smile on his face,
770
00:35:02,948 --> 00:35:06,100
and the smile is not normal.
771
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,146
Um, I'm terrified.
772
00:35:09,166 --> 00:35:11,980
I mean, how do you
hear a description...
773
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000
...of someone who can morph and
look like that? - [Steve] Right.
774
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:16,166
And know they're in your home?
775
00:35:16,186 --> 00:35:16,847
Yeah.
776
00:35:16,867 --> 00:35:18,146
Well, you know what?
777
00:35:18,166 --> 00:35:20,266
I don't know enough to tell you
who this guy might have been.
778
00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:22,467
But you said this guy
was creepy.
779
00:35:22,967 --> 00:35:24,200
What does he do?
780
00:35:24,367 --> 00:35:26,246
I got that this...
781
00:35:26,266 --> 00:35:30,256
...dead male is very
keyed in on the male here.
782
00:35:30,276 --> 00:35:34,266
And everybody else
who might be affected...
783
00:35:34,286 --> 00:35:37,947
it's just collateral damage.
784
00:35:37,967 --> 00:35:41,867
What I saw him doing was at
some point there was a male
785
00:35:41,887 --> 00:35:43,614
laying on the couch.
786
00:35:43,634 --> 00:35:46,980
And all of a sudden,
this guy comes out
787
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,867
and the living male is feeling
like pain in his chest.
788
00:35:52,887 --> 00:35:56,480
It's because this guy was,
like, attacking him.
789
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:59,000
All right, so, I mean,
there's only one male in the house.
790
00:35:59,020 --> 00:36:01,980
But, uh, before we get
to that...
791
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,367
...I just wanna talk about
some other stuff.
792
00:36:03,387 --> 00:36:06,046
Traci, you wake up
with bruises, right?
793
00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:11,367
I will wake up with bruises usually
right above my knee, and below.
794
00:36:11,387 --> 00:36:14,046
Bruises that can't be explained.
795
00:36:14,066 --> 00:36:15,390
[Steve] Hey Catherine,
didn't you tell me
796
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:16,734
that you saw some
creature-looking thing
797
00:36:16,754 --> 00:36:18,347
from outside your
bedroom window?
798
00:36:18,367 --> 00:36:20,246
[Catherine] Yes.
- Tell Amy about that.
799
00:36:20,266 --> 00:36:21,847
[Catherine] One night,
I was laying in my bed,
800
00:36:21,867 --> 00:36:25,000
and I had looked at my window,
and I always keep my blinds closed.
801
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:26,867
But I could see the outline
of this thing,
802
00:36:26,887 --> 00:36:28,714
and, like he said,
I called it a creature
803
00:36:28,734 --> 00:36:31,266
because it was human in the
fact that there was, like,
804
00:36:31,286 --> 00:36:33,216
I could see a little bit
of the torso,
805
00:36:33,236 --> 00:36:35,408
there were shoulders,
a neck, and a head,
806
00:36:35,428 --> 00:36:37,337
but everything was taller
and elongated
807
00:36:37,357 --> 00:36:39,246
so it was like humanoid...
- Mmm.
808
00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:42,634
but it wasn't, like,
that's not physically possible...
809
00:36:42,654 --> 00:36:44,146
[Amy] Right.
- ...for a human shape.
810
00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:46,100
[Steve] Okay, you say
it's targeting David.
811
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,347
What's it doing?
812
00:36:47,367 --> 00:36:52,867
So the other situation I saw was
going on in the main bedroom.
813
00:36:52,887 --> 00:36:56,714
The smiling dude...
- [cameraman] Mmm-hmm.
814
00:36:56,734 --> 00:37:00,967
[Amy]...is, was on him enough like this.
- [cameraman] Mmm-hmm.
815
00:37:00,987 --> 00:37:03,333
[Amy] That thing is,
like, molesting people.
816
00:37:05,367 --> 00:37:10,467
This male is feeling like
he's being attacked.
817
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:13,246
On multiple occasions,
818
00:37:13,266 --> 00:37:15,889
Catherine and I have
witnessed David...
819
00:37:15,909 --> 00:37:18,513
...fighting something
in his sleep.
820
00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:20,839
And he never has any
recollection of it.
821
00:37:20,859 --> 00:37:23,166
He'll be saying,
"Mmm-mmm, no, stop!"
822
00:37:23,186 --> 00:37:25,580
And he'll be pushing his arms.
823
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,233
I... I did have a sketch done of
what I saw occurring in the bedroom.
824
00:37:38,467 --> 00:37:39,633
There you go.
825
00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:44,634
[Traci] I'm terrified.
826
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,080
It makes sense,
'cause that... that room
827
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,900
has always been
consistently uncomfortable.
828
00:37:53,367 --> 00:37:55,600
He's a good man.
He doesn't deserve it.
829
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:56,900
He doesn't...
830
00:37:57,734 --> 00:37:59,266
...doesn't deserve it.
831
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,847
[Steve] Now, I'm curious though.
832
00:38:02,867 --> 00:38:04,867
What would've happened
if these guys didn't call us
833
00:38:04,887 --> 00:38:05,947
when it came to this thing?
834
00:38:05,967 --> 00:38:08,734
Like I said, he's really,
really focused on him.
835
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:11,734
Uh, so I think he would've
just kept doing
836
00:38:11,754 --> 00:38:15,433
what he's doing
until he got him.
837
00:38:17,867 --> 00:38:20,790
[Traci] I've watched him
fight this...
838
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:24,628
...thing and I've walked
out of the room.
839
00:38:24,648 --> 00:38:28,467
I let him sit there
and fight this thing!
840
00:38:28,487 --> 00:38:30,467
And I walked out of the room!
841
00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:33,533
[in a high-pitched voice]
Who does that?
842
00:38:34,867 --> 00:38:36,347
You can't blame
yourself for that.
843
00:38:36,367 --> 00:38:37,734
[Amy] Mmm-mmm...
- [Traci] Who does that?
844
00:38:37,754 --> 00:38:38,847
[Traci sniffling]
845
00:38:38,867 --> 00:38:41,157
[Steve] You thought you
were doing the right thing.
846
00:38:41,177 --> 00:38:43,467
I was worried about my damn
self, is what I was...
847
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,513
...and my mood swings!
848
00:38:45,533 --> 00:38:47,734
And he's in there fighting...
849
00:38:47,754 --> 00:38:49,100
...the freakin' devil.
850
00:39:00,634 --> 00:39:02,533
[Steve] All right, Traci,
I'll give you the good news first.
851
00:39:03,266 --> 00:39:04,780
You're not crazy.
852
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,800
But the bad news is,
you're not crazy.
853
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:10,246
You've got some weird
stuff going on here.
854
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:13,533
Now, Amy's gonna let you know if there's
any way you can stay here and fight,
855
00:39:13,553 --> 00:39:15,533
and if so, what's it gonna take.
856
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:22,146
[Amy] Okay, so...
857
00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:26,614
The first thing, uh, to be done,
858
00:39:26,634 --> 00:39:29,867
we're going to take care of
the people by the campfire
859
00:39:29,887 --> 00:39:32,367
who are present here
in your yard.
860
00:39:33,266 --> 00:39:36,447
They all need to be moved on.
861
00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:39,166
I'd like you to bring in
a medium and a holy man.
862
00:39:39,186 --> 00:39:41,849
What I'd like is for them
to come,
863
00:39:41,869 --> 00:39:44,533
spend the day,
move everybody on.
864
00:39:44,553 --> 00:39:45,780
Okay?
865
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,634
That will free you of the
emotions that you're dealing with
866
00:39:51,654 --> 00:39:55,450
as far as any fear,
anxiety, and stress.
867
00:39:55,470 --> 00:39:59,266
Oh, also the exhaustion
will go down.
868
00:40:00,367 --> 00:40:04,123
As for, you know,
the other former owner,
869
00:40:04,143 --> 00:40:07,880
so what I would like is for
a psychic
870
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:12,634
who is also a Reiki Master,
to come and...
871
00:40:13,066 --> 00:40:14,167
...get rid of him.
872
00:40:14,867 --> 00:40:17,000
When it comes to this...
873
00:40:17,634 --> 00:40:20,447
...evil man,
874
00:40:20,467 --> 00:40:24,080
I want a male demonologist
to come
875
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,467
and I want him to treat him
as if he were a demon.
876
00:40:28,487 --> 00:40:30,900
This guy's gonna be obliterated.
877
00:40:31,367 --> 00:40:33,246
In the meantime...
878
00:40:33,266 --> 00:40:37,206
...I do not think it's safe
for your husband to be here.
879
00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:41,166
It would be best if he could
stay with friends or family
880
00:40:41,186 --> 00:40:44,100
until all of these things
are completed.
881
00:40:46,467 --> 00:40:49,000
[Steve] That's a lot of work.
Are you gonna do it?
882
00:40:49,467 --> 00:40:50,967
Yes, absolutely.
883
00:40:50,987 --> 00:40:51,780
Okay.
884
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,634
[Traci] I mean,
this guy's got to go.
885
00:40:54,467 --> 00:40:56,447
It's so much easier knowing.
886
00:40:56,467 --> 00:40:59,800
Knowing that, you know,
there's a solution right around the corner,
887
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:02,146
and, like, it'll happen.
888
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:05,166
[Steve] Okay, Amy. When they do all
this, will all the fighting stop?
889
00:41:05,186 --> 00:41:07,734
So that they can go back
to being a loving family?
890
00:41:07,754 --> 00:41:09,100
Yes.
891
00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:13,540
[Traci] You have
changed our lives.
892
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,614
You have changed
the trajectory of it,
893
00:41:15,634 --> 00:41:20,233
the path of it, and how we're
gonna be when all of this is over.
894
00:41:21,467 --> 00:41:24,166
Finally, we'll have some peace.
895
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,146
And feel normal.
896
00:41:26,166 --> 00:41:27,967
And it's because of both of you,
897
00:41:27,987 --> 00:41:29,417
so thank you so much.
898
00:41:29,437 --> 00:41:30,867
You're welcome very much.
899
00:41:32,066 --> 00:41:34,890
[Amy] Traci and her family
have a lot of work to do.
900
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:37,395
But I'm confident if they
follow my advice
901
00:41:37,415 --> 00:41:39,880
and bring in the people
I recommended,
902
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,100
they should be able to live
in their home
903
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,967
safely and in peace.
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