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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,589 --> 00:00:06,755 WILLIAM SHATNER: A village celebration 2 00:00:06,841 --> 00:00:09,341 attended by human remains. 3 00:00:09,427 --> 00:00:11,510 An underground labyrinth 4 00:00:11,595 --> 00:00:13,804 filled with skeletons. 5 00:00:13,931 --> 00:00:17,057 And a remote mountain lake that hides... 6 00:00:17,143 --> 00:00:19,727 a deadly secret. 7 00:00:19,812 --> 00:00:23,313 After we die, what do we really leave behind? 8 00:00:23,441 --> 00:00:25,149 Our bones? 9 00:00:25,276 --> 00:00:28,068 That's it? 10 00:00:29,405 --> 00:00:34,316 But there are those who believe that our bones are much more 11 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:37,077 than mere lifeless reminders of our existence. 12 00:00:37,163 --> 00:00:40,155 It's thought by many that our remains can bring good luck, 13 00:00:40,249 --> 00:00:44,251 good health, or even allow us to speak with the dead. 14 00:00:45,629 --> 00:00:49,331 Is it possible that our bones hold some kind of sacred power? 15 00:00:49,425 --> 00:00:51,425 Or perhaps even our souls? 16 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:56,505 Well, that is what we'll try and find out. 17 00:00:56,599 --> 00:00:58,599 โ™ช โ™ช 18 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:18,077 On this large island in the Indian Ocean, 19 00:01:18,162 --> 00:01:21,622 some 250 miles off the eastern coast of Africa, 20 00:01:21,707 --> 00:01:25,700 the indigenous Malagasy people gather every few years 21 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:27,869 for a multi-generational celebration 22 00:01:27,963 --> 00:01:31,632 known as "Famadihana." 23 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:35,377 But this party is not a typical family get-together 24 00:01:35,471 --> 00:01:37,554 because the Malagasy don't just invite their living relatives 25 00:01:37,681 --> 00:01:39,556 to this reunion. 26 00:01:39,683 --> 00:01:42,893 They also invite the dead ones. 27 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:44,895 DOMINIC STEAVU: Famadihana, 28 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:48,941 or the turning of the bones, is a ritual that is performed 29 00:01:49,026 --> 00:01:51,059 usually once every five to seven years, 30 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:54,062 in which a... uh, the family or the relatives 31 00:01:54,156 --> 00:01:57,157 of a deceased person will get together 32 00:01:57,243 --> 00:02:01,537 from all over, and celebrate the life of the deceased. 33 00:02:02,706 --> 00:02:05,124 They exhume the body, they carefully lay it out, 34 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:08,752 they clean it, and then change the death shrouds, 35 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:13,549 on the basis of this idea that the living can intervene 36 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:15,676 on behalf of the dead, to improve their lot 37 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:18,887 or their level of comfort in the afterlife. 38 00:02:19,932 --> 00:02:21,974 One part of the celebration also involves 39 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:24,593 basically shouldering the bones of the deceased, 40 00:02:24,687 --> 00:02:27,688 and the turning of the bones will take place. 41 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:29,273 Sometimes dancing with them. 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,275 (cheering, whooping) 43 00:02:31,402 --> 00:02:32,943 Usually the ceremony concludes 44 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:36,321 when they re-entomb the remains of the deceased. 45 00:02:36,407 --> 00:02:38,991 But they're not cutting off the memory 46 00:02:39,076 --> 00:02:40,775 of this person from their lives. 47 00:02:40,870 --> 00:02:42,777 They will keep them present in their lives, 48 00:02:42,872 --> 00:02:44,496 until the next time they see them, 49 00:02:44,582 --> 00:02:48,450 which is periodically, every five to seven years. 50 00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:51,336 And this is a way to really 51 00:02:51,422 --> 00:02:54,840 reinforce the connection between the living and the dead. 52 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:57,009 JONATHAN YOUNG: People will come to honor 53 00:02:57,094 --> 00:02:59,219 the lost ancestors, to be sure. 54 00:02:59,305 --> 00:03:01,305 But also, to work on coming to terms 55 00:03:01,432 --> 00:03:04,099 with death that hovers around our lives. 56 00:03:04,185 --> 00:03:07,302 Some cultures deal with it more directly than others. 57 00:03:07,396 --> 00:03:10,639 And the value of this tradition is 58 00:03:10,733 --> 00:03:12,807 that it's a different way of thinking 59 00:03:12,902 --> 00:03:16,987 about how death ends a life, but it does not end a relationship. 60 00:03:17,114 --> 00:03:21,158 So, it is lovely, even though it's a little eerie. 61 00:03:21,285 --> 00:03:25,120 It reminds us the dead aren't entirely gone. 62 00:03:26,165 --> 00:03:29,041 SHATNER: Bones. 63 00:03:29,126 --> 00:03:31,919 Our bodies contain 206 of them, 64 00:03:32,004 --> 00:03:34,671 and each one has been meticulously studied 65 00:03:34,798 --> 00:03:37,466 and catalogued by scientists. 66 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:40,001 And yet, for some reason, 67 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:42,179 the sight of our skeletal remains 68 00:03:42,306 --> 00:03:47,184 still sparks morbid fascination and mystery. 69 00:03:47,311 --> 00:03:49,186 But why is that? 70 00:03:49,313 --> 00:03:52,180 YOUNG: The skeleton represents death, 71 00:03:52,274 --> 00:03:57,519 and the danger of death and our mortality. 72 00:03:57,613 --> 00:04:00,522 This symbol is so universal that it shows up 73 00:04:00,616 --> 00:04:02,524 in different geographical locations, 74 00:04:02,618 --> 00:04:04,859 in areas that have different religions. 75 00:04:04,954 --> 00:04:08,697 It also is a kind of warning, "Danger here," 76 00:04:08,791 --> 00:04:12,251 if there's a dangerous location or a poison. 77 00:04:12,336 --> 00:04:14,294 "Don't drink this." 78 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:16,129 And then, of course, it was 79 00:04:16,215 --> 00:04:19,708 on the flag of the pirates, the Jolly Roger. 80 00:04:19,802 --> 00:04:21,718 A very quick symbolic representation 81 00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:24,471 that, "Deal with us, and you're dealing with death." 82 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:26,556 TOK THOMPSON: Certainly, skeletons 83 00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:29,601 are an easy symbol that can be reused in many, many cultures. 84 00:04:29,687 --> 00:04:32,053 The skeleton is spooky, it's scary. 85 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:34,556 On the other hand, how we interact 86 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:37,526 with actual skeletons is enormously different. 87 00:04:38,821 --> 00:04:42,406 Skeletons are never mundane, they are always important, 88 00:04:42,533 --> 00:04:44,408 a truly sacred object. 89 00:04:45,661 --> 00:04:48,036 Globally speaking, one theme that you will see 90 00:04:48,122 --> 00:04:51,206 throughout all civilizations is this idea 91 00:04:51,292 --> 00:04:54,376 that people should have a proper funeral, 92 00:04:54,461 --> 00:04:57,912 or-or whatever funerary rite, and that without that, 93 00:04:58,007 --> 00:04:59,256 the process of leaving one's body, 94 00:04:59,383 --> 00:05:00,915 going into the spirit world 95 00:05:01,010 --> 00:05:03,585 uh, might be somehow disturbed. 96 00:05:03,679 --> 00:05:06,179 YOUNG: There are many belief systems 97 00:05:06,265 --> 00:05:09,725 that suggest the soul is attached to the body, 98 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:11,810 particularly the bones, 99 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:14,187 and that as long as bones exist, 100 00:05:14,273 --> 00:05:16,606 some trace presence of soul, 101 00:05:16,734 --> 00:05:19,359 the soul of the person that lived in that body 102 00:05:19,445 --> 00:05:21,278 will still remain with the bones. 103 00:05:21,405 --> 00:05:24,156 SHATNER: Could it be true that our souls 104 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:27,108 really remain in our bones after we die? 105 00:05:27,202 --> 00:05:30,278 While that idea may sound far-fetched, 106 00:05:30,372 --> 00:05:33,782 there are some people around the world who believe it's true. 107 00:05:33,876 --> 00:05:37,544 In fact, it's often thought that our souls lie 108 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:41,173 within the most recognizable part of the human body-- 109 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:43,175 the skull. 110 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:45,552 SARAH LACY: People really 111 00:05:45,637 --> 00:05:49,014 latch onto skulls as being the most important bone 112 00:05:49,099 --> 00:05:50,766 that gets left behind. 113 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:53,301 Many cultures assume that thought 114 00:05:53,395 --> 00:05:55,729 and consciousness exists in the skull, 115 00:05:55,814 --> 00:05:57,481 and it's quite common, then, to also assume 116 00:05:57,608 --> 00:06:01,318 that the soul resides within that part of the body 117 00:06:01,445 --> 00:06:04,813 and to assume that it stays there in the skull after death. 118 00:06:04,907 --> 00:06:09,034 ANDREW COLLINS: In the past, many different cultures believed 119 00:06:09,119 --> 00:06:11,486 that skulls were incredibly important 120 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:16,375 because they were seen as points of contact with the ancestors. 121 00:06:16,460 --> 00:06:20,879 By holding them, um, by connecting in mind with them, 122 00:06:20,964 --> 00:06:25,008 you could actually communicate, you know, with your departed. 123 00:06:25,135 --> 00:06:29,429 So, they were often decorated, plaster was put around them, 124 00:06:29,515 --> 00:06:31,932 they were given cowrie shell eyes. 125 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:33,934 And it was believed that these would act 126 00:06:34,019 --> 00:06:36,177 as points of communication 127 00:06:36,271 --> 00:06:38,522 with whoever they represented 128 00:06:38,649 --> 00:06:40,899 on Earth when they were still alive. 129 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:50,525 SHATNER: Each year, on November 8, 130 00:06:50,619 --> 00:06:54,621 the indigenous Aymara people gather for an ancient custom, 131 00:06:54,706 --> 00:07:00,252 a colorful procession known as "Dรญa de las ร‘atitas," 132 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:03,046 or the Festival of Skulls. 133 00:07:04,133 --> 00:07:06,258 STEAVU: The Aymara indigenous people 134 00:07:06,343 --> 00:07:08,385 of Bolivia and Peru keep skulls 135 00:07:08,512 --> 00:07:10,971 in shrines in the home. 136 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:14,766 They keep them in places of honor 137 00:07:14,852 --> 00:07:17,811 in households and make regular offerings to them. 138 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:20,605 The skulls are thought to bring harmony to the family. 139 00:07:20,691 --> 00:07:25,485 They're thought to protect people from illness and death. 140 00:07:25,571 --> 00:07:28,229 And they also ask them for advice. 141 00:07:28,323 --> 00:07:30,407 They ask them for support or for help. 142 00:07:30,534 --> 00:07:34,411 And once a year, they will take out the skull 143 00:07:34,538 --> 00:07:37,080 and parade them in this festival. 144 00:07:37,207 --> 00:07:39,407 PAUL KOUDOUNARIS: You'll get 20,000 or 30,000 people 145 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,242 down in the cemetery. 146 00:07:41,336 --> 00:07:42,836 It's really quite a spectacle 'cause you'll get people 147 00:07:42,921 --> 00:07:45,172 bringing five or more skulls 148 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:47,007 down in big boxes, and they dress them up. 149 00:07:49,052 --> 00:07:51,803 If it's cold in the morning, they'll put on a hat. 150 00:07:51,889 --> 00:07:55,432 They'll put sunglasses on them. 151 00:07:55,559 --> 00:07:58,101 And there are certain offerings that are pretty typical-- 152 00:07:58,228 --> 00:08:00,762 cigarettes, alcohol, 153 00:08:00,856 --> 00:08:04,357 little bits of money, coca leaves, things like that. 154 00:08:04,443 --> 00:08:06,610 You know, and it's kind of a "thank you" to make sure 155 00:08:06,737 --> 00:08:08,653 the dead will continue to assist the living. 156 00:08:08,739 --> 00:08:12,106 STEAVU: These skulls are perceived as a kind of portal 157 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:14,701 between the realm of the living and the dead. 158 00:08:14,786 --> 00:08:17,445 A site where the spirit of the deceased can manifest. 159 00:08:17,539 --> 00:08:20,114 And it's through these skulls that the living can communicate 160 00:08:20,209 --> 00:08:22,125 with the dead, as if they are living 161 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,336 and as if they are present, 162 00:08:24,421 --> 00:08:28,289 there and then, in those skulls. 163 00:08:28,383 --> 00:08:33,345 There's something about the way that the skulls are presented 164 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:36,515 that you feel like these individuals are being venerated. 165 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,268 We're a species that communicates with our face. 166 00:08:40,354 --> 00:08:43,805 So, it shouldn't surprise us that we really fixate 167 00:08:43,899 --> 00:08:47,308 on the skull, as being a way 168 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:50,195 to honor and communicate 169 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,481 with those ancestors. 170 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:56,451 SHATNER: Do our bones retain some spiritual essence 171 00:08:56,537 --> 00:08:58,578 of who we are? 172 00:08:58,664 --> 00:09:03,208 An energy that lingers long after our flesh decays? 173 00:09:03,293 --> 00:09:08,329 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining the earthly remains 174 00:09:08,423 --> 00:09:10,507 of certain holy individuals. 175 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:14,886 Remains that have been carefully preserved by the faithful 176 00:09:14,972 --> 00:09:17,889 for thousands of years. 177 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:24,729 SHATNER: High atop a plateau 178 00:09:24,815 --> 00:09:26,848 overlooking the Allegheny River 179 00:09:26,942 --> 00:09:30,819 sits Saint Anthony's Chapel. 180 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,446 Every day, Christians from all over the world pass 181 00:09:33,532 --> 00:09:36,241 beneath its tall spires and rounded arches 182 00:09:36,326 --> 00:09:39,694 to participate in devotion and prayer. 183 00:09:39,788 --> 00:09:42,998 However, it's not the outside of Saint Anthony's Chapel 184 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:45,917 that makes it such an inspiring destination, 185 00:09:46,003 --> 00:09:49,879 but rather, the inside. 186 00:09:50,007 --> 00:09:52,591 Because within this church lies something 187 00:09:52,676 --> 00:09:54,709 that is quite unusual. 188 00:09:54,803 --> 00:09:58,379 A collection of thousands of bones 189 00:09:58,473 --> 00:10:01,683 that once belonged to Catholic Saints. 190 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:05,228 VASKOV: When you come here and you walk in and you see 191 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:07,564 these beautiful gold or brass reliquaries 192 00:10:07,691 --> 00:10:10,892 and just how vast the collection is, 193 00:10:10,986 --> 00:10:15,063 which include anything from part of an arm bone 194 00:10:15,157 --> 00:10:20,068 or a leg bone, to the skulls, and the full skeletons, 195 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:22,829 it really is just overwhelming. 196 00:10:22,914 --> 00:10:27,125 At Saint Anthony Chapel, there are over 5,000 relics, 197 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:30,420 and this collection is second only to the Vatican. 198 00:10:30,547 --> 00:10:33,798 So, here at Saint Anthony's, it really is a unique experience 199 00:10:33,884 --> 00:10:37,093 to come and see the relics of saints. 200 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:40,305 SHATNER: The relics of Saint Anthony, 201 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,307 Saint Demetrius, 202 00:10:42,392 --> 00:10:44,142 Saint Stephana, 203 00:10:44,227 --> 00:10:48,429 and Saint Theodore, among many others, 204 00:10:48,523 --> 00:10:50,932 are kept in Saint Anthony's Chapel. 205 00:10:51,026 --> 00:10:53,568 YOUNG: St. Anthony's is quite a place. 206 00:10:54,738 --> 00:10:57,697 They have items-- they come from the four corners of the world, 207 00:10:57,783 --> 00:11:00,116 mostly the Holy Land, and they're all protected there, 208 00:11:00,243 --> 00:11:03,328 and we can see these relics. 209 00:11:03,413 --> 00:11:07,957 You can see a little of the holy there 210 00:11:08,085 --> 00:11:12,796 in a tooth, or a piece of skull, 211 00:11:12,923 --> 00:11:15,298 which is a relic, a piece of a saint. 212 00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:18,292 A relic that you can actually look at and be close to. 213 00:11:18,387 --> 00:11:21,629 That's like a little bit of God right there in the chapel. 214 00:11:21,723 --> 00:11:23,890 SHATNER: Millions of Christians consider holy relics 215 00:11:23,975 --> 00:11:26,134 to be sacred. 216 00:11:26,228 --> 00:11:28,103 And it's well-known that the bones 217 00:11:28,188 --> 00:11:31,856 of many saints are preserved in cathedrals throughout the world. 218 00:11:31,942 --> 00:11:36,111 But how did such a vast collection of relics end up 219 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:38,363 in a chapel in Pittsburgh? 220 00:11:38,448 --> 00:11:40,573 VASKOV: What makes the collection 221 00:11:40,659 --> 00:11:42,867 of relics here particularly unique 222 00:11:42,953 --> 00:11:45,286 is the way in which they were obtained 223 00:11:45,372 --> 00:11:48,415 by Father Mollinger, who built the chapel. 224 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,834 He obtained them in the late 1880s 225 00:11:50,961 --> 00:11:53,378 because there were people who just thought 226 00:11:53,463 --> 00:11:57,257 that the relics had no value, and things were being discarded. 227 00:11:57,342 --> 00:12:00,343 Father Mollinger had a network of people in Europe 228 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:02,554 who were preserving the relics, 229 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,681 and he would go and retrieve them himself. 230 00:12:04,808 --> 00:12:09,519 We have pilgrimages come in at least once a week if not more. 231 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:11,730 And what a gift it is to be able to welcome them 232 00:12:11,815 --> 00:12:13,940 and share this treasure that we have here. 233 00:12:15,777 --> 00:12:18,862 SHATNER: Each and every relic is enclosed with a wax seal, 234 00:12:18,989 --> 00:12:20,989 both to ensure its authenticity, 235 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:23,032 and to protect it from those who might wish 236 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,369 to tamper with the holy remains. 237 00:12:26,496 --> 00:12:29,030 But why are holy relics 238 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:32,041 so coveted and revered in the first place? 239 00:12:32,169 --> 00:12:35,036 Why go to such extraordinary lengths 240 00:12:35,130 --> 00:12:37,756 to preserve these ancient bones? 241 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:40,541 KEN JEREMIAH: All throughout Europe, in churches, 242 00:12:40,635 --> 00:12:43,261 you'll see these bejeweled skeletons 243 00:12:43,346 --> 00:12:48,549 adorned with gold, silver, and expensive jewels, 244 00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,519 that really look like they're works of art, 245 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:55,190 but strange works of art. 246 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,901 And the whole purpose of this is because 247 00:12:58,028 --> 00:13:00,394 there is this idea, especially in Christianity, 248 00:13:00,489 --> 00:13:04,240 that there is this inherent spiritual power 249 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:07,568 that infuses the remains, 250 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:10,905 and that spirit has to be honored. 251 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:12,999 McGOWAN: The bones of saints and martyrs 252 00:13:13,084 --> 00:13:16,169 in Christianity are of exceptional value, 253 00:13:16,254 --> 00:13:18,079 and extraordinary power 254 00:13:18,173 --> 00:13:19,798 according to Christian tradition. 255 00:13:19,883 --> 00:13:21,800 It was believed 256 00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:25,804 that when a saint was murdered for their beliefs, 257 00:13:25,889 --> 00:13:30,517 that their bones became infused with their sanctity, 258 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,260 the essence of their grace. 259 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:34,938 ROBERT CARGILL: Holy relics, 260 00:13:35,065 --> 00:13:37,315 specifically skeletal relics, 261 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,317 stem from this tradition 262 00:13:39,402 --> 00:13:44,272 that the bones themselves possess power. 263 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:46,107 And this comes from the Bible. 264 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:50,703 You have a story in 2 Kings, in the Hebrew Bible, 265 00:13:50,789 --> 00:13:54,290 in the Old Testament of a burial procession. 266 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,125 And they were doing a burial. 267 00:13:57,128 --> 00:13:58,837 And they saw some invaders coming, 268 00:13:58,922 --> 00:14:01,506 and they just threw the body on top of the bones 269 00:14:01,591 --> 00:14:03,624 of the prophet Elisha, 270 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:07,178 which were already lying in the ground. 271 00:14:07,264 --> 00:14:10,306 And as soon as the dead body touched the bones of Elisha, 272 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:12,800 they came back to life. 273 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:15,303 So, obviously, the bones of Elisha have 274 00:14:15,397 --> 00:14:16,971 some life-giving property. 275 00:14:17,065 --> 00:14:18,982 McGOWAN: We also have stories 276 00:14:19,109 --> 00:14:20,984 from the very beginning of Christianity 277 00:14:21,111 --> 00:14:24,237 about miracles related to the bones of different saints. 278 00:14:24,322 --> 00:14:27,156 The bones of Saint Lazarus, for example, 279 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:31,485 who was raised from the dead by Jesus, were highly coveted. 280 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:33,821 And there are legends in Provence 281 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:36,457 that the bones of Lazarus were brought in 282 00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:39,752 to people who were sick and dying, 283 00:14:39,838 --> 00:14:42,380 and that utilizing the bones in the presence 284 00:14:42,465 --> 00:14:44,883 of these people with the right kind of prayers 285 00:14:44,968 --> 00:14:48,887 would then heal them of this near fatal illness. 286 00:14:48,972 --> 00:14:52,056 THOMPSON: There was a huge, lucrative market 287 00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:55,101 in Medieval Europe for saints' bones. 288 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:58,021 Different cathedrals would be vying with each other 289 00:14:58,148 --> 00:15:01,274 about who could have the most important relics. 290 00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:04,018 So even today, if you go to the cathedrals of Europe, 291 00:15:04,112 --> 00:15:05,695 any good cathedral will have a few 292 00:15:05,822 --> 00:15:07,864 body parts in there of saints. 293 00:15:07,991 --> 00:15:12,526 SHATNER: Ancient relics that can channel the power of God? 294 00:15:12,621 --> 00:15:15,363 For some, that idea is a little hard to believe. 295 00:15:15,457 --> 00:15:17,916 In fact, there are many skeptics who claim 296 00:15:18,001 --> 00:15:21,369 that supposed holy relics are not even the actual bones 297 00:15:21,463 --> 00:15:24,047 of Christian saints. 298 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:28,376 And yet, some of these relics have been proven 299 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,637 to be quite authentic. 300 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:32,722 Of all the holy relics that exist from the saints, 301 00:15:32,849 --> 00:15:38,102 perhaps the most fascinating is the skull of Mary Magdalene. 302 00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:41,147 The relics and the skull of Mary Magdalene have been kept 303 00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:43,942 on display in the Basilica of Saint-Maximin 304 00:15:44,027 --> 00:15:47,061 in the southwest of France since about the fourth century 305 00:15:47,155 --> 00:15:49,063 and have been dated and carbon-dated 306 00:15:49,157 --> 00:15:50,949 and examined in a number of different ways. 307 00:15:51,034 --> 00:15:53,901 So, we're pretty clear that these are actually 308 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:56,237 truly the relics of Mary Magdalene. 309 00:15:56,331 --> 00:15:58,915 Now because Mary Magdalene was present 310 00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:01,668 for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 311 00:16:01,753 --> 00:16:05,004 her relics were considered to have even more power 312 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:08,582 and importance than perhaps any other saint. 313 00:16:08,677 --> 00:16:11,919 There was an understanding that you could even potentially 314 00:16:12,013 --> 00:16:13,421 bring somebody back from the dead 315 00:16:13,515 --> 00:16:15,223 with the relics of Mary Magdalene. 316 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:17,266 There have been miracles recorded for centuries 317 00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:20,103 from people who were in the presence of Magdalene's relics. 318 00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:23,931 And many people believe that you could benefit 319 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:26,275 from the extraordinary sanctity 320 00:16:26,403 --> 00:16:28,653 that was said to rest in her bones. 321 00:16:28,738 --> 00:16:30,863 And people who go 322 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:33,992 to revere her skull have incredibly powerful 323 00:16:34,077 --> 00:16:37,036 emotional experiences with it. 324 00:16:37,122 --> 00:16:41,449 It really radiates a type of grace and a spirituality. 325 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:44,127 And people walk away from it sobbing. 326 00:16:44,254 --> 00:16:46,254 People fall to their knees. 327 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:51,050 VASKOV: I've heard many stories of people who trust, 328 00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:54,262 with all their heart, that the encounter they had 329 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:56,347 with the relics of saints 330 00:16:56,433 --> 00:16:58,725 brought about healing in their life. 331 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:01,135 In fact, over in the chapel museum, 332 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:03,855 there are crutches and canes and things 333 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:06,899 that people were able to cast aside because they were healed. 334 00:17:06,985 --> 00:17:11,571 If someone would doubt whether this is real, 335 00:17:11,656 --> 00:17:13,531 whether this is authentic, 336 00:17:13,616 --> 00:17:16,534 I would just invite them 337 00:17:16,619 --> 00:17:21,581 to talk to someone whose life, even in the slightest way, 338 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:24,500 was made better or made different 339 00:17:24,627 --> 00:17:28,463 because of their encounter with the saints through holy relics. 340 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:31,340 It's fascinating to think 341 00:17:31,468 --> 00:17:34,168 about how the bones of saints could be imbued 342 00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:38,890 with divine power than can actually bring us closer to God. 343 00:17:38,975 --> 00:17:40,850 But what happens when the remains 344 00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:45,012 of the dead aren't treated with such veneration and care? 345 00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:50,151 Perhaps the answer can be found deep beneath the city of Paris 346 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:53,279 in a labyrinth of tunnels that has been called 347 00:17:53,364 --> 00:17:56,866 "The Empire of the Dead." 348 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:03,247 SHATNER: More than two million people live and work 349 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:05,541 in this 41-square-mile metropolis. 350 00:18:05,627 --> 00:18:08,336 And although Paris is one of the world's most 351 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,630 instantly recognizable cities, 352 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:14,008 just below the surface of the City of Light 353 00:18:14,094 --> 00:18:16,636 lurks a mysterious darkness-- 354 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:20,181 a centuries-old labyrinth of tunnels that contains 355 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:23,351 the bones of millions of bodies-- 356 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:26,104 the Paris Catacombs. 357 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,107 JEREMIAH: When you walk in there, 358 00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:31,234 you will see bones stacked. 359 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:32,902 They're everywhere. 360 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:35,863 You'll have thigh bones stacked up in places. 361 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:38,116 You'll have skulls stacked in other places. 362 00:18:38,201 --> 00:18:42,912 It's almost like a warehouse of human bones. 363 00:18:44,082 --> 00:18:47,166 LACY: We don't know which bone goes with which. 364 00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:49,794 Sometimes they're just piled up, but sometimes 365 00:18:49,879 --> 00:18:52,496 it's almost a decoration, where they put them. 366 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:54,298 In some cases, 367 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:58,302 they're more architecturally or artistically placed. 368 00:18:58,388 --> 00:19:02,723 YOUNG: There are lined along the walls, thousands 369 00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:06,394 of skeletons, some with bits of clothing hanging off of them. 370 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:09,013 It's a whole network of tunnels really. 371 00:19:09,107 --> 00:19:12,024 There's about a mile of it that's open to visitors, 372 00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:14,819 and you can see some of these places. 373 00:19:16,364 --> 00:19:18,698 SHATNER: Over the main entrance to the Paris Catacombs, 374 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,826 there is carved a sign which, when translated, reads, 375 00:19:21,911 --> 00:19:26,247 "Stop. This is the Empire of the Dead." 376 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,332 According to some estimates, 377 00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:29,876 the Paris Catacombs hold the bones 378 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,587 of more than six million people. 379 00:19:33,882 --> 00:19:37,091 But why did Parisians decide to stack all these bones 380 00:19:37,177 --> 00:19:38,926 together in the first place? 381 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:42,638 LACY: In Paris, you had people being buried 382 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,807 in a traditional sense in a graveyard. 383 00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:47,393 But those are finite locations. 384 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,480 And they started running out of space. 385 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:55,226 So, if that is the case, after a certain amount of time, 386 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,111 individuals are going to get dug back up 387 00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:59,155 to create space for new burials, 388 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,991 and you have to do something with those bones. 389 00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:05,661 So, they started to utilize catacombs as a way 390 00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:07,872 to relocate those bones. 391 00:20:26,226 --> 00:20:28,184 THOMPSON: In the Parisian Catacombs, 392 00:20:28,269 --> 00:20:30,186 very often bones have been rearranged, 393 00:20:30,271 --> 00:20:34,098 made into even sculptural sort of forms. 394 00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,484 In many ways, this conflicts with that Christian idea 395 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:38,277 of keeping the body together. 396 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:39,987 KOUDOUNARIS: The one thing 397 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,573 most funeral practices have in the world 398 00:20:42,659 --> 00:20:45,326 is some kind of respect for one's ancestor, 399 00:20:45,411 --> 00:20:49,247 or some kind of feeling that this is one last act of charity 400 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:52,959 that needs to be completed for the soul to move on properly. 401 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,628 On the other hand, 402 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:58,172 the Paris Catacombs was not a sacred site. 403 00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,174 They are going to get rid of the old bones, 404 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,051 and they don't want to have this problem again. 405 00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:05,137 I would question whether the Paris Catacombs are respectful 406 00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:07,431 to the dead or not. 407 00:21:07,517 --> 00:21:11,060 SHATNER: Did the builders of the Paris Catacombs 408 00:21:11,145 --> 00:21:13,062 desecrate the souls of the dead 409 00:21:13,147 --> 00:21:15,731 by moving their bones from cemeteries 410 00:21:15,817 --> 00:21:18,192 to the dark tunnels beneath the city? 411 00:21:18,278 --> 00:21:20,820 There are many who believe the answer is "yes," 412 00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:24,657 and there's a local legend which says that moving the bones 413 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:27,034 of so many deceased people 414 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,704 unleashed a dark and malevolent force 415 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:35,001 that still haunts the catacombs. 416 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:38,879 It is believed that if you're there in the hours of darkness, 417 00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:42,466 after midnight, that you hear whispers 418 00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:46,595 coming from the spirits of the skeletons, 419 00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:52,059 drawing you deeper and deeper and deeper into the catacombs, 420 00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:54,687 where you get so lost, you will never get out. 421 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,347 (ghostly whispering) 422 00:21:56,441 --> 00:21:59,775 YOUNG: The system of tunnels is really elaborate. 423 00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:02,403 You can get turned around down there and get lost. 424 00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:06,032 There's a legend in the city of Paris 425 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,284 that there was a doorman at a hospital 426 00:22:08,369 --> 00:22:10,244 named Philibert Aspairt, 427 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,289 and he went on an errand down a staircase. 428 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,333 One rumor is that he was going to the wine cellar 429 00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:18,035 to get a certain cognac. We don't know. 430 00:22:18,129 --> 00:22:22,715 But there were various points of entry into the Paris Catacombs, 431 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:26,093 and apparently, he went down the wrong staircase. 432 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:31,223 And he got himself in there and turned around and lost, 433 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:33,851 and never came out 434 00:22:33,936 --> 00:22:35,436 and died in there. 435 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:38,314 And they didn't find his body for 11 years. 436 00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:43,152 So, they buried him right there in 1804. 437 00:23:05,468 --> 00:23:08,052 KOUDOUNARIS: Paris Catacombs really were designed 438 00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:11,097 to be a spectacle and a tourist attraction. 439 00:23:11,224 --> 00:23:14,016 You know, they were not designed to have a sacred function. 440 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:16,268 You didn't go down in there and pray. 441 00:23:16,396 --> 00:23:18,854 They designed it to be a famous macabre site. 442 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:22,441 And the whole point of it was, like, you know, 443 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:24,527 you look in this room, and you cannot tell 444 00:23:24,612 --> 00:23:26,904 the king from the pauper. 445 00:23:26,989 --> 00:23:30,324 You cannot tell the wise man from the fool. 446 00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:32,827 Death is this great leveler. 447 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:36,280 Understanding that aspect of death is an incentive 448 00:23:36,374 --> 00:23:38,332 to live right. 449 00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:41,961 If you think about it, the Paris Catacombs are 450 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:44,463 a pretty grim reminder that we have no control 451 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,124 over what happens to our bones after we die. 452 00:23:47,218 --> 00:23:51,178 But there's another location, high in the Himalayas, 453 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:53,681 that is even more unsettling. 454 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:57,184 A place where the bones of hundreds of people can be found 455 00:23:57,270 --> 00:24:00,813 beneath the waters of an icy lake. 456 00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:09,071 SHATNER: High atop the Himalayan Mountains 457 00:24:09,157 --> 00:24:13,325 sits a small body of water called "Roopkund Lake." 458 00:24:14,495 --> 00:24:18,539 For most of the year, the lake's waters are frozen. 459 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:20,541 But during the summer months, 460 00:24:20,626 --> 00:24:23,377 as the snow and ice slowly melt away, 461 00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:27,006 a bizarre spectacle is revealed. 462 00:24:29,177 --> 00:24:32,344 PRYOR: Roopkund Lake is a place high up 463 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:36,599 in the Himalayan Mountains in the northern part of India. 464 00:24:36,684 --> 00:24:40,677 It's close to the second highest mountain in India. 465 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:43,731 And it is mostly unremarkable, 466 00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:47,518 other than the fact that we have thousands 467 00:24:47,612 --> 00:24:50,404 of human bones scattered around the shores of this lake, 468 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:53,866 and that really is something which is exceptional. 469 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:57,745 Now, these bones have been known about for a very long time. 470 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:59,914 The site is visited by locals 471 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,582 and by tourists and backpackers 472 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:03,709 who have interacted with the bones. 473 00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:08,047 LACY: As people have come by, people have picked the bones up, 474 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,257 they've stacked them into piles, 475 00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:13,377 and in many cases, walked off with them. 476 00:25:13,471 --> 00:25:17,264 So, this location is an interesting example of 477 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:19,850 how humans interact with bones. 478 00:25:19,936 --> 00:25:22,520 There are still a lot of unanswered questions. 479 00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:24,939 Did all those individuals die there, 480 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:26,857 or were they taken there from somewhere else? 481 00:25:26,943 --> 00:25:29,610 Is it possible that in the past, there were ceremonies 482 00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:32,321 about disposing of bodies in this location 483 00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:34,615 that have been lost to time? 484 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:38,494 PRYOR: I know that we have the remains 485 00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:41,914 from something like 600 to 800 human individuals. 486 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:46,669 These bones are from adults, 487 00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:49,463 and for many years, there was a common assumption 488 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:51,924 that all of these individuals had all died 489 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:55,302 as a result of one catastrophic event. 490 00:25:55,388 --> 00:25:59,256 THOMPSON: Most mass graves that we see around the world 491 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:01,767 are the results of one event. 492 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,603 A mass slaughter, a mass catastrophe. 493 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:07,273 In the case of Roopkund Lake, you see something different. 494 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,693 Looking at the bones, people have been able to figure out 495 00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:12,820 that there are several different population groups 496 00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:14,989 that are located in this lake, 497 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:19,109 separated by hundreds, possibly even 1,000 years. 498 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:20,995 So clearly, it was not one event. 499 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,497 Clearly, there was a series of events 500 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:26,166 around this lake that led to people being here. 501 00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:29,286 SHATNER: Experts have had trouble explaining 502 00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:31,171 why so many groups of people journeyed 503 00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:33,632 to this lake at different times, 504 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,969 over the course of centuries, and died. 505 00:26:37,096 --> 00:26:40,180 It's a fascinating story, and recently, 506 00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:43,851 the collection of bones has become even more mysterious. 507 00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:48,814 In 2019, scientists from Harvard University conducted 508 00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:51,734 a DNA study and found that some of the people 509 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:55,821 who died at this lake came from far away. 510 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:59,658 Very far away. 511 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:03,912 THOMPSON: Most people are from South Asia, 512 00:27:03,998 --> 00:27:07,541 but one significant population group seems to have been 513 00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:12,087 from Greece, specifically from an island of Crete. 514 00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:14,882 So one big question is, what was a bunch of 515 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:16,508 people from the island of Crete 516 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:20,846 doing up in northern India even to begin with? 517 00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:24,266 Let alone, how they ended up at the bottom of Roopkund Lake? 518 00:27:24,352 --> 00:27:28,646 PRYOR: The only thing which really makes any kind of sense 519 00:27:28,731 --> 00:27:30,064 is the idea that they were on a pilgrimage 520 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:31,565 through the mountains. 521 00:27:31,651 --> 00:27:34,401 Now, this is documented and known in recent times. 522 00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,528 There is a pilgrimage which is made 523 00:27:36,656 --> 00:27:38,197 by people following the Hindu faith, 524 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:40,449 who will travel through these mountains. 525 00:27:40,534 --> 00:27:45,028 SHATNER: Is it possible the bones in Roopkund Lake 526 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:46,914 are the remains of unlucky travelers 527 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:50,501 on pilgrimage through the Himalayas? 528 00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:54,713 And if so, what caused their demise? 529 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,509 Some experts believe a clue may be found in a local legend 530 00:27:58,594 --> 00:28:03,213 involving a Hindu goddess named "Nanda Devi." 531 00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:05,766 STEAVU: Nanda Devi is a mountain goddess 532 00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,978 that oversees the second tallest mountain in India. 533 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:13,607 There are shrines built to her throughout the mountain. 534 00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:17,561 So there is this legend of a king and queen 535 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:19,613 and, uh, their many attendants 536 00:28:19,699 --> 00:28:21,573 making their way up the mountain 537 00:28:21,701 --> 00:28:25,285 to one of these shrines. 538 00:28:25,371 --> 00:28:28,414 They were being boisterous and festive 539 00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,917 as they approached the shrine. 540 00:28:32,044 --> 00:28:34,378 And Nanda Devi was insulted by that. 541 00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:36,046 She felt that they weren't 542 00:28:36,132 --> 00:28:37,965 respectful enough of this sacred space. 543 00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:43,595 So, out of anger, she called on these iron balls 544 00:28:43,723 --> 00:28:48,058 to rain from the sky onto the king and queen 545 00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:50,761 and their entire party. 546 00:28:50,855 --> 00:28:53,480 Now, this is believed to be the explanation 547 00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:57,276 for at least some of the human remains 548 00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:00,863 that were found at the bottom of this lake on the mountain. 549 00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:04,608 Many of them died from blunt force trauma to the skull. 550 00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:07,953 THOMPSON: This is an area without a lot of tree cover, 551 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,164 without a lot of shelter, and it's also an area 552 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:12,750 that is known for intense hailstorms. 553 00:29:12,835 --> 00:29:16,795 Hailstorms with hail as big as your fist. 554 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:18,622 And you can imagine if you're out in a caravan 555 00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:19,956 or a pilgrimage, and all of a sudden, 556 00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:24,303 this massive hail comes down in this area, 557 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,805 that could take out people regularly 558 00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:29,683 over a thousand years' time period. 559 00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:32,186 It's plausible. 560 00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:34,021 But what's also clear is that when people started 561 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:36,139 seeing all these skeletons together, 562 00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:37,941 all sorts of stories were developed 563 00:29:38,027 --> 00:29:40,977 as to who these people were and why they were there. 564 00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:42,529 And I think this reminds us 565 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:44,865 that if people see something anomalous, 566 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,784 you seek an explanation. 567 00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:49,870 If you see a whole bunch of skeletons in one place, 568 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,372 people are going to try to explain it. 569 00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:54,333 Whether or not the people who traveled 570 00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:57,753 to Skeletons Lake were the victims of an angry goddess, 571 00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:00,506 or just freak hailstorms, 572 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:03,300 perhaps the real lesson of Skeletons Lake is 573 00:30:03,385 --> 00:30:07,596 that our bones tell stories even after we're dead. 574 00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:10,891 And that's certainly the case with an ancient skull 575 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:13,602 that was recently discovered. 576 00:30:13,687 --> 00:30:18,774 A skull that calls into question the origins of humanity. 577 00:30:23,614 --> 00:30:28,325 SHATNER: Paleontologists from China's Hebei GEO University 578 00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:30,619 analyze an astonishing discovery 579 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:32,913 from the bottom of an ancient well. 580 00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:34,832 (camera shutter clicking) 581 00:30:34,917 --> 00:30:39,586 Their study is of the largest human skull ever found. 582 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:43,882 The extraordinary find makes headlines around the world 583 00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:48,128 and sparks intense debate about this ancient skull, 584 00:30:48,222 --> 00:30:51,807 which scientists have nicknamed the "Dragon Man." 585 00:30:52,935 --> 00:30:58,146 The Dragon Man skull is arguably the most mysterious cranium 586 00:30:58,274 --> 00:31:00,473 that's ever been discovered in this world. 587 00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:03,318 It is the largest ever. 588 00:31:03,445 --> 00:31:09,491 It's actually around nine inches long by six inches across. 589 00:31:09,618 --> 00:31:15,330 It was discovered in 1933 by a Chinese workman. 590 00:31:15,457 --> 00:31:20,002 And because at the time, that part of China was occupied 591 00:31:20,129 --> 00:31:23,297 by the Japanese, he felt that the best thing to do was 592 00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:26,341 to hide it away in a well. 593 00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:34,141 And it was left there until 2018 when he revealed the location 594 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:35,851 to his grandson. 595 00:31:35,978 --> 00:31:39,179 The grandson went and dug it up, 596 00:31:39,273 --> 00:31:42,774 and it was still there in absolute perfect condition. 597 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:46,945 And he gave it to a local university, 598 00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:49,197 and it obviously came to the attention 599 00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:51,950 of the scientific community. 600 00:31:52,036 --> 00:31:53,702 The Dragon Man skull is interesting because 601 00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:56,955 the cranial shape is shaped like an American football 602 00:31:57,041 --> 00:32:00,042 being very elongated, 603 00:32:00,169 --> 00:32:02,085 whereas a modern human skull, Homo sapiens, 604 00:32:02,171 --> 00:32:04,546 would be more rounded in shape. 605 00:32:04,673 --> 00:32:06,465 The skull is generally very robust, 606 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,635 including a very pronounced brow ridge. 607 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,596 The eye sockets on Dragon Man are also very large 608 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:16,049 and more square in shape versus a modern human's 609 00:32:16,143 --> 00:32:18,644 which are smaller and more rounded. 610 00:32:18,729 --> 00:32:21,438 Based off of what we know about the skull, 611 00:32:21,523 --> 00:32:24,066 it probably dates to around 200,000 years ago. 612 00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:26,777 Dragon Man is such a new discovery 613 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:29,237 that lots of ideas are coming out of the field 614 00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:33,325 about exactly what did this population look like 615 00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,568 and how do they relate to us? 616 00:32:35,663 --> 00:32:37,454 PRYOR: The Dragon Man 617 00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:39,572 is bringing us face to face for the first time 618 00:32:39,667 --> 00:32:42,876 with a new Asian version of human, 619 00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:44,920 which very likely we also interbred with, 620 00:32:45,047 --> 00:32:49,758 and whose DNA we probably also carry in us today as well. 621 00:32:49,885 --> 00:32:52,344 It's one of these finds which occasionally comes along 622 00:32:52,429 --> 00:32:55,806 which is really changing what we know about our human story. 623 00:32:55,891 --> 00:32:59,977 SHATNER: Experts agree that the discovery of the Dragon Man 624 00:33:00,062 --> 00:33:04,272 redefines our understanding of humanity's past. 625 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,483 And there are some researchers who believe 626 00:33:06,568 --> 00:33:08,610 that further investigation of the skull 627 00:33:08,737 --> 00:33:11,071 will reveal shocking truths 628 00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:15,275 about this previously unknown cousin of man. 629 00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:17,911 COLLINS: There is every indication 630 00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:21,832 that the Dragon Man may well have been not only large 631 00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:24,209 in size but also of great height. 632 00:33:24,294 --> 00:33:27,963 Possibly as much as seven to seven and a half feet tall. 633 00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:30,841 And if you want to imagine them, just think 634 00:33:30,926 --> 00:33:34,219 that in the past you'd have had the small guys 635 00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:36,722 that would have been the Neanderthals, 636 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,808 who were about five to five and a half feet tall, 637 00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:42,185 you'd have had our own modern human ancestors 638 00:33:42,271 --> 00:33:44,021 that were around six feet tall, 639 00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:46,356 and you'd have had the much bigger, 640 00:33:46,442 --> 00:33:49,067 much stronger Dragon Man. 641 00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:53,697 With the discovery of the Dragon Man skull, 642 00:33:53,782 --> 00:33:57,034 we might have the first real evidence 643 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,578 that giants once walked the Earth. 644 00:33:59,663 --> 00:34:01,955 SHATNER: Is it possible 645 00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:05,208 that the Dragon Man was actually a giant? 646 00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:08,003 Perhaps clues can be found by examining 647 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:10,047 the numerous historical accounts of people claiming 648 00:34:10,132 --> 00:34:14,501 to have encountered ancient giants. 649 00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:17,596 Giants are a stock character of folklore throughout the world. 650 00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:20,766 For example, the Bible clearly states 651 00:34:20,851 --> 00:34:22,684 that there were giants on the Earth. 652 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:26,313 HUGH NEWMAN: In North America, the Native American cultures 653 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:29,024 have many of these giant stories. 654 00:34:29,151 --> 00:34:31,017 For example, in Mi'kmaq tradition, 655 00:34:31,111 --> 00:34:35,489 we find stories of giants that would hunt people and eat them. 656 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:39,367 We have similar stories in the Algonquian-speaking Natives 657 00:34:39,495 --> 00:34:41,745 of North America as well, and traditions, 658 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:43,872 even up to relatively recent time, 659 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:45,540 would honor these ancient giants. 660 00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:47,542 And this is something that's just prevalent 661 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,795 in different parts of the world. 662 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,755 SHATNER: There are many skeptics 663 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,924 who write off tales of giants as nothing more 664 00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:57,010 than exaggeration or fantasy. 665 00:34:57,096 --> 00:34:59,304 But there are others who insist 666 00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:02,265 that giants were, in fact, quite real. 667 00:35:02,351 --> 00:35:06,895 And as evidence, they point to accounts of large human bones 668 00:35:07,022 --> 00:35:10,390 being discovered throughout North America. 669 00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:13,276 NEWMAN: During the mid-1800s, 670 00:35:13,362 --> 00:35:16,404 the Smithsonian Institution had an edict 671 00:35:16,532 --> 00:35:18,398 where they would collect all the different skeletons 672 00:35:18,492 --> 00:35:21,159 of Native American cultures from mounds, 673 00:35:21,245 --> 00:35:25,205 from caves, from all over the country, basically. 674 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:29,292 And they started finding these remarkable skeletons 675 00:35:29,378 --> 00:35:30,794 and discoveries that suggested 676 00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:32,838 there was a very advanced race of giants 677 00:35:32,923 --> 00:35:34,756 living in North America. 678 00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:39,261 And even in their Smithsonian annual reports 679 00:35:39,388 --> 00:35:41,138 in the late 1800s, specifically 680 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:43,089 the fifth and the twelfth annual reports, 681 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:46,977 they documented between seven and eight-foot-tall skeletons 682 00:35:47,062 --> 00:35:50,939 that their Smithsonian employees actually dug up themselves. 683 00:35:51,942 --> 00:35:54,109 And yet, in 1910 onwards, 684 00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:58,363 when Ales Hrdlicka became the director of the Smithsonian, 685 00:35:58,448 --> 00:36:00,240 he put a news report out saying 686 00:36:00,325 --> 00:36:03,618 giants are no more, and tried to delete this idea 687 00:36:03,745 --> 00:36:06,830 that giants ever existed, even though 688 00:36:06,915 --> 00:36:11,042 they discovered some themselves in the late 1800s. 689 00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:14,004 And so, there's a definite mystery here 690 00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:16,047 when it comes to trying to find evidence 691 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:20,010 of these giant skeletons of North America. 692 00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:22,795 COLLINS: Hundreds, perhaps even thousands, 693 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:26,474 of these giant skeletons have been unearthed, 694 00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:28,560 but the problem with this is 695 00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:31,229 that all of them today have been lost. 696 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:34,524 Everything that was inside the Smithsonian Institute had 697 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:37,861 to be given back, or they were just destroyed. 698 00:36:37,946 --> 00:36:41,031 And so, the importance of the discovery 699 00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:44,150 of the Dragon Man skull is in the fact 700 00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:47,913 that this archaic human that once existed 701 00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:51,333 in this region of China has been brought back 702 00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:56,880 into reality and is being studied by the scientists today. 703 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,256 You can discover so much information 704 00:36:58,342 --> 00:36:59,883 from just a single bone. 705 00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:02,302 It opens up a whole world of opportunity 706 00:37:02,387 --> 00:37:03,762 for what we can learn about 707 00:37:03,847 --> 00:37:06,640 who humans are and where we came from. 708 00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:10,310 Is the Dragon Man really the skull of an ancient giant? 709 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:12,687 It seems hard to believe. 710 00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:14,731 But just imagine what it would mean 711 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:18,401 if we could actually prove that giants once roamed the Earth. 712 00:37:18,487 --> 00:37:21,071 Something to ponder 713 00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:25,158 while we investigate yet another collection of ancient bones. 714 00:37:25,244 --> 00:37:31,122 Bones that might have the power to unleash a deadly curse. 715 00:37:37,214 --> 00:37:40,123 SHATNER: While making their way across a snowy mountain range 716 00:37:40,217 --> 00:37:42,717 spanning the border of Italy and Austria, 717 00:37:42,803 --> 00:37:46,680 two German hikers make a gruesome discovery. 718 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:50,934 The body of a man, half-frozen in ice. 719 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:56,523 When scientists later remove the skeleton from the icy ground, 720 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,901 they come to a shocking realization. 721 00:37:59,987 --> 00:38:03,146 The man, who they nicknamed "Otzi," 722 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,700 lived over 5,000 years ago. 723 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:11,371 PRYOR: This is a really spectacular find, 724 00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:13,164 because of the level of preservation here. 725 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:16,084 We have the full body preserved, 726 00:38:16,169 --> 00:38:18,161 including all of his skin, 727 00:38:18,255 --> 00:38:20,463 all of the internal organs, and all of the possessions 728 00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:22,007 that he was carrying at the time. 729 00:38:22,134 --> 00:38:24,834 And this, therefore, is giving us unique insights 730 00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:26,803 into this individual 731 00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:29,514 and also what life was like when he lived. 732 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,600 SHATNER: The recovery of Otzi's skeleton 733 00:38:32,686 --> 00:38:34,894 made headlines worldwide, 734 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:38,732 and his bones became an object of intense fascination 735 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,817 and scientific study. 736 00:38:40,902 --> 00:38:44,362 But then, unexpectedly, 737 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:48,691 a series of bizarre deaths took place in the years 738 00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:51,911 after Otzi's bones were recovered. 739 00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:54,831 There's something very mysterious going on here 740 00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:58,418 with this Otzi Iceman since he was discovered. 741 00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:02,339 In the early '90s, and going into the 2000s, 742 00:39:02,424 --> 00:39:04,716 people have died who were involved 743 00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:08,544 in the discovery or the presentation of Otzi. 744 00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:11,381 A gentleman called Rainer Henn had the privilege 745 00:39:11,475 --> 00:39:13,183 of placing Otzi's body 746 00:39:13,268 --> 00:39:15,727 into a body bag at the discovery. 747 00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,271 He died in a car crash. 748 00:39:18,357 --> 00:39:22,442 Kurt Fritz, who was involved in the transportation of Otzi 749 00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:26,363 from one place to another, died in an avalanche. 750 00:39:26,448 --> 00:39:29,074 Helmut Simon, one of the discoverers of Otzi, 751 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,868 had fallen 300 feet to his death. 752 00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:34,237 Several other people have died, as well. 753 00:39:34,331 --> 00:39:38,249 SHATNER: All told, seven people connected 754 00:39:38,377 --> 00:39:41,294 to the discovery of Otzi died. 755 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:45,048 Were their untimely deaths simply a coincidence? 756 00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:46,466 Or is it possible 757 00:39:46,551 --> 00:39:49,094 that the deaths were actually the consequence 758 00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:53,181 of disturbing Otzi's bones, which had remained untouched 759 00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:55,266 for thousands of years? 760 00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:57,093 NEWMAN: Some people believe 761 00:39:57,187 --> 00:39:59,429 there may even be a curse associated 762 00:39:59,523 --> 00:40:02,607 with this man buried in the ice. 763 00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:06,319 Otzi had these very strange tattoos, 764 00:40:06,405 --> 00:40:09,439 all these spirals and different designs. 765 00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:12,492 If he was some kind of shaman or sorcerer, 766 00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:16,871 did he place a curse over his body to protect him 767 00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:19,332 from future generations digging him up? 768 00:40:19,418 --> 00:40:21,626 It's known that it took four full days 769 00:40:21,753 --> 00:40:23,962 to excavate him from the ice. 770 00:40:24,089 --> 00:40:26,965 So there's an element of desecration of a grave. 771 00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:31,177 THOMPSON: There are many sort of curse stories and curse rumors 772 00:40:31,263 --> 00:40:32,846 that follow the realm of archaeology, 773 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,131 because archaeology is often involving 774 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:37,142 digging people out of their graves. 775 00:40:37,269 --> 00:40:39,185 Is that disturbing their peace? 776 00:40:39,271 --> 00:40:41,521 Not allowing them to rest in peace? 777 00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:46,484 What we can see is that this does reflect a popular belief 778 00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:49,696 that maybe there is something wrong 779 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,824 with handling a body in this mundane sense, 780 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:55,326 as if it's an object to study. 781 00:40:55,454 --> 00:40:59,372 JEREMIAH: When a body decomposes, what's left? 782 00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:01,207 You have the skeleton. 783 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:06,546 If there's a real spiritual essence that's within the body, 784 00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:09,215 it wouldn't fade away with the body. 785 00:41:09,301 --> 00:41:11,667 It wouldn't fade away with the flesh. 786 00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:14,804 It would remain with the bones themselves. 787 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:17,507 Obviously, life is finite. 788 00:41:17,601 --> 00:41:20,977 We're only gonna be here for a certain amount of time. 789 00:41:21,062 --> 00:41:26,182 So the big question remains, when we leave 790 00:41:26,276 --> 00:41:33,356 and people view our remains, hopefully they honor us. 791 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:36,534 Whether it's a sacred skull or a holy relic 792 00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:40,121 or a cursed skeleton, bones have a way of making us believe 793 00:41:40,207 --> 00:41:43,249 that after we die, some part of us lives on. 794 00:41:43,335 --> 00:41:45,043 But is that really true, 795 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:48,371 or is it just wishful thinking on our part? 796 00:41:48,465 --> 00:41:52,375 Well, that my friends, is a fascinating question, 797 00:41:52,469 --> 00:41:55,545 but it's one that, while we're still alive, 798 00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:59,057 will remain... unexplained. 799 00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:01,184 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 64911

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