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Every town has its legends.
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Every neighborhoodhas its boogeymen...
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A killer with a hookfor a hand...
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A drifterwho snatches children...
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The witch who livesin the woods.
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Ours growing up instaten island was cropsey,
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about an escaped mental patientwho lived in these buildings
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who would snatch childrenoff the street.
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This urban legend turned real
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when five neighborhood childrenwent missing.
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It was these disappearancesthat led us to examine
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the real crimes behindthe cropsey urban legend.
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A grisly discovery
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of an arm and a legsticking outfrom a shallow grave.
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And what wediscovered was a connection
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to an institutionwith a shocking history.
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This is what it looked like,
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but how can I tell youabout the way it smelled.
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It smelled of filth,it smelled of disease,
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and it smelled of death.
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Understandingthe real story behind cropsey
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inspired us to investigateother urban legends
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and the true crimesthat may have influenced them,
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and what we uncovered
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was a truth more horrificthan any fiction.
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This is where
we thought that cropsey lived,
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in these buildings here.
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It's very easy
for an urban legend
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to come out of
something like this.
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Yeah, and we didn't
think anything of it
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until kids started going missing
on staten island,
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and then we were like,
cropsey is real.
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But do you think
every urban legend
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has truth behind it?
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Yes, I think you have to have
some form of like truth
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to gonna go off of.
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There's a lot of
other urban legends
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in a lot of other communities
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that have some form of truth
behind them.
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Uh-hm.
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And what's interesting
is all these communities
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have all these places.
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Well, every kid is lured to
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or fascinated by the old houseat the end of the block.
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These are the stories
that fuel your nightmares,
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and these are the places
that fuel your nightmares.
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So why are you here tonight?
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You hear stories.
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We just want to see
what it's about, I guess.
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What do you guysexpect to find out here?
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People who died here
are supposed to be the ghosts.
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You believethat there are devil worshipers
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in the woods here?
- Oh yeah, I do, I do.
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Somebody said they were doing
freaky experiments
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and crap like that.
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Why do we believethese urban legends?
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Maybe we need to believe
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because the reality is too muchfor some of us to bear.
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An old legend that actuallyhappened this time...
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- Many more casesof contaminated treats...
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I know she suffered, a lot.
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He pulled a knife
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and tied me upwith electrical tape.
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Oh, God.
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And so instead,we created our own monsters.
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The36-year-old building contractor
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who reportedly dressedlike a clown...
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At least three young boys
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buried under his house.
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And maybe that's because
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the truth is more terrifying
than we could ever imagine.
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- I got seven downand.
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Seven down!
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I've got a child victim...I need rescue.
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For Rachel and me,this is an attempt
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to uncover the sourceof our nightmares
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as we pull back the curtainson what it is we all fear...
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because urban legends,as scary as they may be,
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are really just warnings forsomething much more dangerous...
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the reality that may havestarted it all.
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The hook is one of the oldest
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and also one of the scariesturban legends.
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A teenage coupleare making out in their car
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while parked at a lover's Lane.
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As the two areabout to go all the way,
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the radio interrupts them.
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...Are killed by an LA gunman...
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A crazed maniacwith a hook for a hand
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has escapedfrom the local insane asylum.
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The frightened girldemands to go home
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as the frustrated boyguns the engine.
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Later, as the boyfriendgoes to open his date's door,
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he sees danglingfrom the door handle,
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the maniac's bloody hook,ripped from the socket.
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The hook urban legend
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probably came to be
in the mid-1950s.
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One of the interestingappearances of the hook
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was in November 1960
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when it actually appearedin the dear Abby column,
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and it's something that alot of people would have read.
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But dear Abbywasn't warning teenagers
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about escaped madmenwith hooks for hands.
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Urban legendsare more mysterious than that
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and never quite so literal.
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Despite its name,the hook is a cautionary tale
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warning teenagers everywhereabout the dangers of sex.
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The hookurban legend captured something
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in the era that people
were interested in.
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It captured a certain amountof danger being involved
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in teenage sexual behaviorand in teenage car culture.
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For the teenagersin texarkana, Texas,
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this wasn't justsome cautionary tale.
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In the early spring of 1946,
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a masked manknown as the phantom
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attacked four couples,
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most of whom were parkedon lover's lanes.
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The attacks, which killed five,
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were said to coincide withthe full moon,
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hence the nicknamethe moonlight murders.
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And although there werenumerous suspects,
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the phantom was never caught,
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allowing his enduring legacyto haunt this town
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for more than six decades.
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So this is South robeson
and this old highway 67.
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The murder site
is somewhere around here,
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but that's what we've got to
kind of figure out.
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It was a rainySunday morning on march 24
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when a passing motorist noticedRichard Griffin's oldsmobile
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parked on a lover's Laneoff highway 67.
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Inside he found Griffin, age 29,
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and Polly Ann Moore, 17,lying in the backseat.
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Both had been shotin the back of the head.
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Hey, guys,how are you doing?
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What we're doing is
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we're investigatingthe phantom killer.
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They had a lot of speculations
on who did it,
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but it was never...
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no one was ever
brought to justice.
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Did you hear stories growing up?
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All I ever heard was
don't go to spring lake park.
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Really?
Uh-hm.
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Why?
It's kind of
creepy out there,
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so we were always afraid
to go there.
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But did you still go?
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No.
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We're having a little trouble
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finding out where the area isbecause everything's changed.
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Well, I can take you
out there to the road
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and point to almost the spot.
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Right about there.
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Uh-huh.
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On that side?
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On that side.
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Like the couplein the urban legend,
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Griffin and Moorehad been attacked
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while parked on lover's Lane,
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highlighting the warningbehind this campfire tale,
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but what the residentsin texarkana didn't know...
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because it wasn't reportedin the papers...
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were the horrific detailsbehind this real-life crime.
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They had found evidence
of blood and a blanket...
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Uh-hm.
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And they believe
that she was raped
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out in front of the car
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and then put back in the car.
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The first double murder
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didn't causea lot of excitement.
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All kinds of crimes
were going on in texarkana,
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but they didn't recognize
until sometime later
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that this is a different
kind of crime.
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The term "serial killer"
wasn't in vogue then...
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And no one recognized
this as a serial killing.
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The main suspectwas youell swinney
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who was an ex-convict.
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Youell swinneyand his newlywed bride,
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a former prostitute named Peggy,
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had been arrestedfor stealing cars.
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Under questioning,the wife confessed
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that her husbandwas the phantom,
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but refused to sign a statement.
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Although the casequickly fell apart,
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the judge still sent swinneyaway for life
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as a habitual car thief.
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No evidence directly
correlating...
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No physical evidence.
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They had his wife's statement,
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but they could not use that
without her permission.
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There had been a lot of
other suspects, hundreds.
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People had theories
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and all kinds of rumors
had been bouncing around,
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but it's normal in any event,
especially when there's mystery
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as there was always mystery
in this one.
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Texarkana is nothinglike other towns.
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It seems to be wallowing
in the notoriety.
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Documentary team in town
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to shoot a part
of texarkana history.
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This week,
some texarkana residents
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will have the chance
to appear onscreen
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in a documentary filmof the phantom killer.
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So what should we make
of all this?
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The conclusion is simple...
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texarkana will never
escape its past.
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We should give up trying.
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It was a half moonon February 22
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when Jimmy Hollis, age 24,
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and Mary Jeanne larey, 19,
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were attackedon a secludedlover's Lane.
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Both survived after a carscared the assailant away.
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Around midnight,
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Mary Jeanne lareyand Jimmy Hollis
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were making outin the front seat of their car.
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All of a sudden,
a guy appears with a gun,
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wearing a mask over his head,
white,
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two holes cut out
for eyes and mouth.
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He tells her to run.
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He chases her down
and then starts to attack her,
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basically sexually assaults her
with the barrel of his gun.
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She said she'd much rather
have been killed like the others
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than to have been left
the way she was.
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While the attackson lover's lanes in texarkana
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didn't specificallyinvolve a hook,
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the phantom's sickening crimes
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created an equally horrifyingmetaphor.
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One of the victimswas actually sexually assaulted
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with the barrel of a gun,
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and so we have the idea
of a foreign metal object
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being used in this way
which seems to be
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psychologically
behind the idea of the hook.
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In the hook story,we have the hook
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about to penetrate the carwhen the boy drives away
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and the hook is then rippedfrom the hand of the murderer.
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So we have the ideaof penetration
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with a foreign metal object
as already part of that story,
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and that in fact happened
in the texarkana cases.
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But the sexual assaultwas only part
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of the phantom'strademark signature.
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These two people
are the only ones
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who ever saw the phantom.
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Both... wearing masks.
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Right, they both saidthe guy was wearing a mask.
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So this is the whole thing,
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where the whole white
mask thing came from.
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The phantom's disguisewas another chilling detail
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as it also helped to popularize
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the most widely knownretelling of the murders
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in the 1976 cult classic,
"the town that dreaded sundown."
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The movie was thought to beone of the first slasher films,
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having predated Halloweenby two years,
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and its take on the phantom
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would influence generationsof cinematic boogeymen.
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The director,Charles b. Pierce,
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blurred the linesbetween fact and fiction
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by telling the filmin full documentary style.
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It was Sunday, march 3, 1946...
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the beginning ofa reign of terror
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for the people of texarkana,a terror so indelibly imprinted
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that today, peoplestill speak of it fearfully...
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only the nameshave been changed.
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Now I thinkeverybody in texarkana
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knows about the storyof the phantom killer,
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but there's a lot ofintermingling
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of facts and legendbetween the movie
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and the actualphantom killer case.
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This is Casey Roberts,
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media managerat Texas a&m, texarkana.
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He's done extensive researchon the crimes
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and brought usto one of the locations where
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"the town that dreaded sundown"
was filmed.
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A lot the... kind of landmarks
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from both the original case
of the phantom killer
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and the movie
the town that dreaded sundown
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have gone away over the years,
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and this particular house here
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was used in one ofthe big scenes.
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It was Friday, may 3,
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when Virgil and Katie starkswere attacked intheir farmhouse
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just outside of town.
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Virgil was shotand killed in his armchair...
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While Katie, shot in the face,
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ran out of the house.
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Everybody seems convincedthat youell swinney is the guy,
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but you're saying...
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Youell swinney would have
been easy to pin it on,
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and they needed topin it on somebody.
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The one person that...
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I haven't been satisfied
he was cleared...
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was a young manthat committed suicide
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and left a note sayingthat he was the phantom killer.
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It's just part of the legend...the son of a prominent family,
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and it had the connections to,
you know,
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cover up his dirty deed.
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Hoping to dig upmore information,
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we went searchingthrough the microfiche
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of the texarkana gazette.
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Promising lead proves dud.
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So this is the mention
of that, youell swinney.
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The officer had been
trying to validate
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the story of a woman.
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The woman's statementfollowed so closely
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to the known facts of the case
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that they are almost positivethat she was telling the truth,
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and at one point,
they were almost to the point
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of announcing a break
in the case.
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Subsequently, however,
the woman said
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that neither she nor her husband
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had anything to do
with the slayings.
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It's interesting.
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So they don't call him
the phantom at all in this,
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but we just saw, literally,
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the advertisement
in the newspaper
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for the movie that is showing,
the phantom speaks.
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This is the movie
that they theoretically
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pulled the name from,
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and right here at the newspaper,
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one of the guys said,
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'well, why don't we call him
something...'
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we need to call him something,
let's call him the phantom.
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We had just witnessedan important step
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in the creationof any urban legend...
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the naming of the boogeyman.
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One of the rolesthat urban legends play...
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and this isan ancient function...
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is that they will put
a name on something
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that gives people
fears or anxieties.
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That gives the personsome feeling of control.
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So give the murderer a name...
he's the phantom murderer.
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The mask,the movie, the phantom.
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These were the crucial elementsthat would help create
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texarkana's very ownurban legend...
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a legend that would onlycontinue to grow
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with screenings of
"the town that dreaded sundown"
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held every year intexarkana's spring lake park.
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All of this area was part
of spring lake park...
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At the time and this is where...
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a couple of the places
where the murders happened.
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That was where lover's Lane was.
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You basically
set up the screening
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that you have of
the town that dreaded sundown
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at spring lake park.
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Yes, we do it every October,
and because of the history,
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we like the idea of having this
out at spring lake park
342
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since that's where some of
the murders take place at.
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We started getting
some phone calls saying
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that they didn't think
it was right,
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that there were
still families in town...
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That, you know,
that were affected by this.
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The police concern was
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that it was going to
cause somebody else
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to have the idea
to start doing it again.
350
00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:28,519
A film crew was in town
last month...
351
00:16:28,521 --> 00:16:30,588
And there's a new movie
being made?
352
00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:33,291
What we've heard is
that it was actually a remake
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of 'the townthat dreaded sundowns .'
354
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it's you know, just probably
a more modern version of it.
355
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I've heard that the storyline
of the movie
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is about a copycat
that comes out
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from the screenings
that happened at spring lake.
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Are you serious?
359
00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:57,615
That's the first
I've heard about that.
360
00:16:57,617 --> 00:17:01,753
Well, you know,
imitation of life, I guess.
361
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While it may seemshocking to some,
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the screeningsat spring lake park
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were especially appropriatebecause it was here on April 14
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where the phantomturned larger than life.
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Four hundred yards
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from the entrance
to spring lake park...
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where the sign is...
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they found
Paul Martin's car empty.
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In yet another attack,
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not only had the phantommurdered two teenagers
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in the center of town,
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but their deathswould incite a panic
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that would grip texarkanaand never let go.
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Betty Jo booker, age 15,
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was a saxophonistfor a high school band
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called the rhythmaires
377
00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:40,591
that played weekend showsat the local vfw.
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At 1:30 A.M.that Saturday night,
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she left with achildhood friendnamed Paul Martin, age 16,
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who was supposed to dropher off at a slumber party.
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00:17:52,337 --> 00:17:55,306
Paul's body was foundlying on its left side.
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Blood was found further down
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on the other side of the roadby a fence.
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00:18:04,516 --> 00:18:08,186
Right over here,
Paul Martin's body was found.
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He had been shot twice,
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00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:13,658
and then he crawled
across the street, over to here,
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00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:16,661
and then whoever did it
shot him again twice.
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00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:18,463
They said he put up a struggle.
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00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,598
He had a bullet
through his hand...
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00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,600
Right.
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Raised his hand,
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probably begged
not to be killed, and then...
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00:18:26,372 --> 00:18:28,639
They found himat 6:30 in the morning.
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00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:32,110
Betty Jo bookerwas nowhere around.
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00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,144
Although supposedly
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only the names had been changed
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in the townthat dreaded sundown,
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00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,682
one of the most egregiousfictionalizations
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00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:40,251
had Betty Jo bookerplaying the trombone
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00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:42,860
instead of the saxophone,
401
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,289
the reason being to showa more terrifying demise.
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00:18:45,291 --> 00:37:30,580
The scene was so memorable,
403
00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:50,628
some people in town actuallythink that's how she died.
404
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,640
The actual site
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00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:04,909
of where Betty Jo booker'sbody was found,
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00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:07,311
along the edgeof a forgotten road,
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00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:09,147
had eluded many.
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00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,681
Lost in timewhen a section of the park
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00:19:10,683 --> 00:19:12,350
was turned into housing,
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00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:15,586
this was one mysterywe were determined to solve.
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00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:17,922
She was found two Miles away
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00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,124
from Martin's body.
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00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,259
The road's closed.
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00:19:22,694 --> 00:19:26,264
Here's where we thinkthis road continues on.
415
00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,466
See that linebetween those two trees?
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00:19:28,468 --> 00:19:29,667
Totally.
417
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:33,237
That's the roadthat's been overgrown.
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00:19:33,239 --> 00:19:34,605
Keep that flashlight down.
419
00:19:34,607 --> 00:19:35,907
Just turn it down.
420
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:39,912
Look at that.
421
00:19:39,913 --> 00:19:42,647
This looked exactly likethe older road.
422
00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:44,448
It is the old road basically
423
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,817
that we just went throughsomebody's backyard to get to.
424
00:19:54,594 --> 00:19:55,560
What is it?
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00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:56,842
It's a big spider web...
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00:19:58,630 --> 00:20:02,967
It's halfway betweenthe two ends.
427
00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:06,737
This is Betty Jo booker,15 years old.
428
00:20:06,739 --> 00:20:08,906
Shot twice,once to the left rib
429
00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:11,542
and once in the face,to the left cheek.
430
00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,211
Well, she's fullyclothed...
431
00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:15,346
Fully clothed, yeah.
432
00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,548
Her overcoathas been buttoned up,
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00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,917
and her handwas put in her pocket.
434
00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:25,489
Strange.
435
00:20:25,491 --> 00:20:27,291
See that picture for a second?
436
00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:36,834
Doesn't it look like it?
437
00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,669
It must.
438
00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,938
Like if you'relooking at it like that,
439
00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,473
add 60 years.
440
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:47,545
It could be.
441
00:20:47,782 --> 00:20:48,981
I feel bad, though.
442
00:20:48,982 --> 00:20:54,719
You know, we're never going to
really know who killed her.
443
00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,696
What happened toPaul Martin and Betty Jo booker
444
00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:08,320
out on these roadsover 60 years ago
445
00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:09,667
was horrific enough.
446
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:11,636
Their deathsdidn't need to be rewritten
447
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:14,505
for more blood or Gore.
448
00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:17,842
Coming out here, you realizethat real life is just as scary
449
00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:22,380
as any horror film...and sometimes even more.
450
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,888
This is Marc bledsoe,a former probation officer
451
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:32,490
who was obsessed with the case
452
00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:33,991
and conducted his owninvestigation.
453
00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:37,280
I developed a passion,
I guess in the '90s.
454
00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:40,898
I saw the film, of course,
when I was a seventh grader,
455
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,366
and I was pretty scared
456
00:21:42,368 --> 00:21:44,335
because of the way
the film ends.
457
00:21:44,337 --> 00:43:28,672
It shows the boots
458
00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,837
and said he could still
be walking the town.
459
00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,773
I wanted to knowwhat the truth was.
460
00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:52,343
Bledsoe was one ofthe only people
461
00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:55,813
to interview youell swinneyin recent years.
462
00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,615
Swinney, who was out of jail
463
00:21:57,617 --> 00:21:59,350
and living ina Texas nursing home,
464
00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:01,585
had suffered a strokethe year before,
465
00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:03,888
making his speechdifficult to decipher.
466
00:22:11,596 --> 00:22:13,300
Fifty... sixty years?
467
00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:18,502
But she said you and herwere together
468
00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:19,737
at spring lake park.
469
00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:20,739
Hear that?
470
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:24,141
They drove out there together
at spring lake.
What did he say?
471
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,451
No, I wasn't.
472
00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:34,952
Who do you thinkwas the main...
473
00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:36,987
I don't know.
474
00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:41,920
You wish they'd catch him.
475
00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:42,793
Hm, interesting.
476
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,508
Hi. I just wantedto check one thing.
477
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:59,377
They told meyou all were videotaping?
478
00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:01,445
Have you all signed the thing?
479
00:23:01,447 --> 00:23:02,480
Ugh!
480
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,983
I feel like
there was more there.
481
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:11,922
Despite being so close,
482
00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:13,657
we still didn't havean answer as to who
483
00:23:13,659 --> 00:23:17,628
the phantom really was...and we probably never will.
484
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:19,497
What happenedto the phantom killer
485
00:23:19,499 --> 00:23:21,799
no one really knows.
486
00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,769
Some believe he was convictedof another crime,
487
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:29,730
and today he is still servinghis term in a Kansas prison.
488
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:30,808
It's these lack of answers
489
00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:32,810
that allows a legend to endure
490
00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,579
for the teenagers in texarkana.
491
00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:36,914
So, what do you thinkthe next chapter is
492
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:37,916
in that legend?
493
00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,384
Probably more ghost stories,
494
00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:45,656
maybe more kids
trying to scare other kids.
495
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:48,250
Do you think it will ever end?
496
00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,270
I think eventually
it will fade out,
497
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,530
but I wouldn't be able to say
for how long.
498
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:55,399
I mean, legends
last for a long time.
499
00:23:55,401 --> 00:23:56,400
So this is the tree where,
500
00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:58,502
because of the movies,some people think
501
00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:02,440
Betty Jo booker was actuallykilled with the trombone.
502
00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:05,109
I think why this is sokind of important
503
00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:09,647
is because so many peoplebelieved the fiction,
504
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,480
and the fiction became reality,
505
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:11,949
and in this town...
506
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:14,151
I really think
what's interesting is...
507
00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:15,619
they can't separate the two.
508
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,521
Well, I think it's more
romantic, though,
509
00:24:17,523 --> 00:48:35,044
to believe in the myth
510
00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:21,192
than to have the facts
in front of you.
511
00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:22,693
You have thewhole town coming out
512
00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:26,664
and watching a fictionalizedversion of that,
513
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,732
and that's just like little kids
514
00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:32,636
telling a fictionalized versionof what really happened.
515
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,905
That's what an urban legend is.
516
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:37,641
Where does the truth endand the fiction begin?
517
00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:40,211
At this point,no one quite knows.
518
00:24:40,213 --> 00:24:43,581
Texarkana today stilllooks pretty much the same,
519
00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:45,783
and if you should ask peoplehere on the streets
520
00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:49,186
what they believe happenedto the phantom killer,
521
00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:51,989
most would saythat he is still living here
522
00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:55,593
and is walking free.
523
00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:15,980
So right now,
we're driving into Houston.
524
00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:18,249
We're going to investigate
the urban legend
525
00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:20,500
of the candy man.
526
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,585
The name candy man
527
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,854
has a lot ofurban legend references.
528
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:26,924
Obviously, one of the mostwell-known is the film Candyman
529
00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:29,590
based on the clive barkershort story
530
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,229
about an urban legend expertinvestigating the boogeyman
531
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:36,867
who haunts the cabrini-greenhousing projects in Chicago.
532
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,703
With my hook for a hand,
533
00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:44,542
I'll split you from your grointo your gullet.
534
00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,112
Here the Candymanuses a hook,
535
00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,214
just like the well-knownhook urban legend
536
00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:52,616
where it was probablyappropriated from,
537
00:25:52,618 --> 00:25:54,952
but the film's villainwasn't the first candy man.
538
00:25:54,954 --> 00:51:49,906
The original was, in fact,
539
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:59,723
a very real monster behindone of the most horrific crimes
540
00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:01,926
anyone could ever imagine.
541
00:26:03,828 --> 00:26:06,630
We've all heard thesame story about Halloween.
542
00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:09,133
Little Johnny had been warnednever to go trick-or-treating
543
00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:12,836
at any house he didn't know,but he didn't listen.
544
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:14,672
Instead, he convinceshis friends
545
00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,608
to go get candyfrom this one weird house.
546
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:18,642
Later that night,
547
00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:20,711
as they're all diggingthrough their loot,
548
00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:22,613
there's this scream.
549
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:24,214
All the kidsare rushed to the hospital,
550
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:25,983
but it's too late.
551
00:26:25,985 --> 00:26:29,530
Johnny's dead from eatingcandy laced with poison,
552
00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:32,220
and all the other kidshad their mouths ripped open
553
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,725
from swallowingrazor blades and glass.
554
00:26:34,727 --> 00:26:36,827
They never did catchthe person who did it.
555
00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:39,960
Turns out, Halloweenreally comes from
556
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:42,766
the ancient custom of druidscollecting kids for sacrifices,
557
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,636
and apparently these murderswere committed by those
558
00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,720
who still carry onthat evil tradition.
559
00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:51,909
So does our modern-daycustom of trick-or-treating
560
00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:55,846
really stem from evil druidsand child sacrifices?
561
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,315
It's highly unlikely,but there's no denying
562
00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,985
that something very sinisteris out there
563
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:04,989
instilling panic and incitingfear every Halloween.
564
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:06,957
There's one magical,
565
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:11,729
haunted evening each yearwhen all the scary creatures
566
00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,164
come out to prowl throughevery neighborhood.
567
00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,233
Most people enjoy havingtrick-or-treaters
568
00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:17,534
come to their doors,
569
00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:22,906
but there are a few people whowill do things to hurt kids.
570
00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:25,175
The first documentedcase of tainted candy
571
00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:28,780
happened on long island in 1964
572
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,147
when a housewifenamed Helen pfeil,
573
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,249
upset with older kidsfor trick-or-treating,
574
00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:35,520
handed out dog biscuits,steel wool,
575
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:36,954
and poison ant buttons.
576
00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,223
Although pfeil testifiedthat it was just a joke,
577
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:42,326
she was still found guiltyof endangering children.
578
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,962
This fear really took rootin the 1970s
579
00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,830
when outlets like newsweekwere reporting
580
00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:51,100
that several children had diedfrom poison or tainted candy.
581
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,971
Some schools stopped
celebrating Halloween.
582
00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:56,407
They stopped using the word
"Halloween",
583
00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:59,743
and they start talking
about having a fall festival.
584
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:05,249
New Jersey passed a law of
specifying penalties for people
585
00:28:05,251 --> 00:28:08,218
who were caught contaminating
Halloween treats.
586
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:13,323
In the 1980s, hospitalsbegan offering X-ray treats.
587
00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,259
All nextcare urgentcare locations
588
00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:18,796
are offering free candy x-raysthrough tomorrow.
589
00:28:18,798 --> 00:56:37,594
We haven't had any instances
590
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:22,990
where we found
any tampered candy,
591
00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:22,990
but you read it in the news
592
00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:25,402
and you see all of these
crazy pictures online,
593
00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,271
and so, you know,
if I were a parent,
594
00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:29,873
I would be a little bit
concerned as well.
595
00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:34,678
We don't worry aboutghosts and goblins anymore,
596
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,180
but we fear this maniac,
597
00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:40,284
this anonymous person
who is so crazy
598
00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:47,124
that he presumably poisons
little children at random.
599
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:50,461
I think about how much fun
Halloween is.
600
00:28:50,463 --> 00:28:53,970
I also worry a little bit
about the things
601
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:55,899
that can spoil
the fun of Halloween.
602
00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,803
Those kinds of things scare me,
too, but in a different way.
603
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,730
The one case of tainted candy
604
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:05,809
that seemed to bringthis nightmare to life
605
00:29:05,811 --> 00:29:09,446
happened on a rainy Halloweennight in Pasadena, Texas.
606
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,148
The perpetratorof this evil crime
607
00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:14,852
is known to someas the man who killed Halloween
608
00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:19,189
and to others as simplythe candy man.
609
00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:21,959
On October 31, 1974,
610
00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,895
after trick-or-treatingwith their friends,the bateses,
611
00:29:24,897 --> 00:29:27,865
Ronald o'Bryan let his sonTimothy, age 8,
612
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,867
and his sister Elizabeth, 5,
613
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:32,503
each pick out a piece of candybefore bed.
614
00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:35,205
Timothy, still wearing hisplanet of the apes costume,
615
00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:37,700
chose a giant pixy styx,
616
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:38,776
one of fivethat his father had gotten
617
00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:40,778
from a neighborhood housethat night.
618
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,800
Ronald had divvyed upthe other styx to his daughter,
619
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:44,348
one of the bates' kids,
620
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,170
and a local boynamed Whitney Parker.
621
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:48,752
The sugar insidehad clumped together,
622
00:29:48,754 --> 00:29:50,854
so Ronald rolled the styxin his hands
623
00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:53,524
before pouring the powderdown his son's throat.
624
00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:56,160
Minutes later,Timothy was violently vomiting,
625
00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:58,950
and after being rushedto the hospital,
626
00:29:58,970 --> 00:30:00,300
he was pronounced dead.
627
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,533
The cause...cyanide poisoning.
628
00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:06,360
I was off duty at the time
on Halloween night
629
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:09,840
when I received a call
from one of my detectives.
630
00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:11,775
I drove to southmore hospital,
631
00:30:11,777 --> 00:30:14,144
and what I saw
was very, very disturbing...
632
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:17,414
not only because there was
a child there that was dead
633
00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:20,884
that had cyanide foam
coming out of his mouth,
634
00:30:20,886 --> 00:30:25,880
but it was a small,blond-headed young boy,
635
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:26,290
and I looked at this child...
636
00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:30,600
and I had at the time
a small, blond-headed,
637
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,363
eight-year-old son
lying in a bed in my home...
638
00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:38,468
and it absolutely
just almost destroyed you
639
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,380
to see something like that.
640
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,372
Had you ever heardof the idea of
641
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,808
candy tampering before that?
642
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:45,809
I had heard about it...
643
00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:47,411
I had never seen it personally,
644
00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:51,849
but you know, you're always
concerned on Halloween,
645
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:56,190
and the next nightwe had a grieving father,
646
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:59,356
a grieving mother,
and a grieving little sister.
647
00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:01,992
I put my arm around
Mr. o'Bryan's shoulder
648
00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:06,290
and I promised him,
"I promise you we will catch
649
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:08,866
this individual
that did this to your son."
650
00:31:10,340 --> 00:31:12,169
Timothy's deathwas a terrible blow,
651
00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:15,339
not just for the family,but for many in Pasadena.
652
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:17,407
As crowds of o'Bryan'sfellow churchgoers
653
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:19,176
flooded the cemetery,
654
00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:22,246
Timothy's father quicklyreduced the mourners to tears
655
00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:26,850
as he sang a hymn for the boywho was now in heaven.
656
00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,319
I introduced myself
to Mr. o'Bryan
657
00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:32,222
and said I'm a reporter
for the Houston chronicle.
658
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,158
Is Mrs. o'Bryan
available to talk?
659
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,950
He said, you know,
she's really, as we all are,
660
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:41,980
just torn up about this,
but if you want to talk,
661
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,301
come on in,
and I'll try to talk to you.
662
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:47,271
And he said, you know,I held my son in my arms
663
00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:51,341
while he died, and I cried.
664
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,977
I thought
that they had been victimized
665
00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:57,881
by a random crazy man, lunatic.
666
00:31:57,883 --> 00:32:01,652
The original suspectswere people in Pasadena
667
00:32:01,654 --> 00:32:04,655
who were living inhabitants
of the homes
668
00:32:04,657 --> 00:32:07,524
where they did
the trick-or-treat.
669
00:32:07,526 --> 00:32:09,493
4108, 4106,
670
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:12,229
-102.
671
00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:14,264
Right here.
672
00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:15,666
4102.
673
00:32:15,668 --> 00:32:17,901
So right hereis the bates' house
674
00:32:17,903 --> 00:32:21,571
from where o'Bryanand the bateses
675
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,407
both went trick-or-treating.
676
00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:24,608
After the funeral,
677
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:27,144
the police took o'Bryan aroundthe bates' neighborhood,
678
00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:28,378
but he couldn'tremember the house
679
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:30,314
where he had gottenthe pixy styk.
680
00:32:30,316 --> 00:32:34,170
Finally, he ID'd a neighbornamed Courtney Melvin.
681
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:37,454
Ten, right herewhere this blue car is.
682
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:39,923
This is Courtney Melvin's place,
683
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:43,260
so basically Courtneywas out on his lawn.
684
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,495
O'Bryan was driving by,fingered this guy
685
00:32:45,497 --> 00:32:48,498
as being the personwhere he got the pixy styx.
686
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,933
The only problem being
687
00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:52,536
Courtney Melvinhad an airtight alibi.
688
00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:57,700
As the killer continuedto elude police,
689
00:32:57,900 --> 01:05:55,600
the nature of his crime
690
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,278
only seemed to confirmeveryone's worst fears...
691
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,447
a fear that stillresonates today.
692
00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:05,415
Do you know about the crimethat happened?
693
00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,318
Oh, yes, you're talking about
the candy man.
694
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Yeah.
695
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,540
Uh-hm.
It was the first time
696
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,900
that I heard of people
doing that...
697
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,726
And then I heard of them
putting more cyanide
698
00:33:15,728 --> 00:33:17,394
and razor blades.
699
00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:19,620
I've heard fish hooks.
700
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,498
The way society is gettingright now, I mean,
701
00:33:21,500 --> 01:06:42,998
you don't ever know
what's going to happen.
702
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:26,436
I'm like, nope, no candy until
I look, you know, through it.
703
00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,437
What are you looking for?
704
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,239
You know, an open wrapper,
705
00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:31,575
just seeing if anything
has a hole in it.
706
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:32,676
You don't trust nobody.
707
00:33:32,678 --> 00:33:34,578
- Yeah.
- Can't.
708
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,179
I actually heard
about some guy doing it
709
00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:37,447
in this neighborhood one time,
but...
710
00:33:37,449 --> 01:07:14,896
What's that story.
711
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:41,318
I think he actually lived
over there by the ditch.
712
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,354
And they do all sacrifice crap
over there during Halloween.
713
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:46,423
Do you think there are
satanists around?
714
00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,591
There probably is.
715
00:33:47,593 --> 00:33:49,192
I mean, knowing this
neighborhood...
716
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:50,560
there are sickos around here.
717
00:33:50,562 --> 01:07:41,122
Tonight is Halloween
718
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:54,464
and children will be outto trick-or-treat.
719
00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,767
We hope that the treatswill be many
720
00:33:56,769 --> 00:33:58,335
and the tricks ingenious.
721
00:33:58,337 --> 00:34:00,137
But sometimespeople give children
722
00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:02,339
bad things on Halloween.
723
00:34:02,341 --> 01:08:04,680
In shreveport, Louisiana,
724
00:34:02,341 --> 00:34:06,309
an old legend that actuallyhappened this time.
725
00:34:06,311 --> 01:08:12,620
Halloween is on Sunday,
726
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,312
and there is a spreading fearthat this year,
727
00:34:09,314 --> 01:08:18,626
the real Halloween scare
728
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:14,510
will be many more casesof contaminated treats.
729
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:17,654
The term that gets usedis "Halloween sadist".
730
00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:20,900
People assume
that the Halloween sadist
731
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,940
was some crazy person who,
for some reason...
732
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,650
presumably you know,
some psychological problem...
733
00:34:28,670 --> 00:34:32,135
gets pleasure or satisfactionfrom hurting little kids.
734
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:34,639
Many people believe
735
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,675
the Halloween sadistwas behind Timothy's death,
736
00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:41,780
but the real culpritwas more horrific
737
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,813
than anyone had ever imagined.
738
00:34:46,317 --> 00:34:49,252
It's down here,
I think, on the left.
739
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,823
All right, so gray,how do you want to do this?
740
00:34:52,825 --> 00:34:54,324
I'll just, I'll hang back here.
741
00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:56,193
Okay.So we're going to go up.
742
00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:57,594
I'm not totally into this.
743
00:34:57,596 --> 01:09:55,190
I can understand.
744
00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,664
I can understand
why you'd want to do this...
745
00:35:00,666 --> 01:10:01,330
Yeah.
746
00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:03,500
It just makes me feel
a little uncomfortable.
747
00:35:03,502 --> 01:10:07,002
Knocking on someone's house
748
00:35:03,502 --> 00:35:07,337
and telling them
what tragedy happened here.
749
00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:08,940
Well, you wouldn'twant to know?
750
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:15,679
Oh, hey, how are you?
751
00:35:15,681 --> 01:10:31,360
Hi, how are you?
752
00:35:15,681 --> 00:35:19,216
Hey, sorry to bother you.
We wanted to talk to you.
753
00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,318
We're doing a documentary
and wanted to talk to you
754
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,353
about the family
that lived here before.
755
00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,355
Do you know him?
756
00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:25,422
Do you know
Ronald Clark o'Bryan?
757
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:26,424
Uh-uh.
758
00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:28,492
No, you have no idea about him?
759
00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:32,496
Nah, don't worry about it.
760
00:35:33,431 --> 01:11:06,861
Thanks very much.
761
00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:37,334
You want to know?
Do you really want to know?
762
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,668
Do you really want to know?
763
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,470
So the guy who lived in here
764
00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,739
was a guy named
Ronald Clark o'Bryan.
765
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:44,641
He gave his son
a poison pixy styk.
766
00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:48,145
Yeah.
He killed...
767
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,148
That's right.
768
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:54,818
On Halloween night,
769
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:57,754
eight-year-old Timothy o'Bryanof Pasadena, Texas,
770
00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,490
died after eating a piece oftrick-or-treat candy
771
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,159
that contained cyanide.
772
00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,761
Today Pasadena police arrestedthe boy's father,
773
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:07,330
30-year-old Ronald o'Bryan,on murder charges.
774
00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:09,132
Police refused todiscuss the case
775
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:10,901
other than to saythe district attorney believes
776
00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:14,337
he has sufficient evidenceto file charges.
777
00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,142
After receiving a callfrom an insurance agent,
778
00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:21,745
police discovered o'Bryanhad taken out a large policy
779
00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:25,382
on his kids but not himselfnor his wife.
780
00:36:25,384 --> 01:12:50,766
Even more damning,
781
00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:29,386
he had talked tonumerous peopleabout death by cyanide
782
00:36:29,388 --> 00:36:31,288
and had even triedto buy the chemical
783
00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:32,689
from local companies.
784
00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:36,693
All evidence pointedto Timothy's father
785
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,629
as the killer which,as horrific as it sounds,
786
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,364
makes some sense,
787
00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,401
and that's becausethe Halloween sadist is a myth,
788
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,902
and the notionof candy tampering
789
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,739
is really an urban legend.
790
00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:52,475
The idea that this is
a big social problem is a myth.
791
00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:54,744
I can't tell you
nobody has ever contaminated
792
00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:56,346
a piece of candy,
793
00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,952
but I can't find any evidence
that anybody has ever been hurt,
794
00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:05,488
seriously hurt or killed,
from a contaminated treat
795
00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:07,390
picked up in the course of
trick-or-treating.
796
00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:08,391
If there's no such thing
797
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,626
as the Halloween sadist,
798
00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:12,562
who is, in fact, doing that?
799
00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,331
Probably the kids.
800
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,198
If you think about it,
801
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,567
this is a terrifickind of prank.
802
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,903
It's easy enoughto come by a pin,
803
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,405
easy enough to stick itin the candy bar,
804
00:37:22,407 --> 00:37:24,908
and then run in and say,
look mom,
805
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:26,810
there's a pin in my candy bar...
806
00:37:26,812 --> 00:37:29,779
and you become the object
of the concerned attention
807
00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,983
of your parents
and possibly even the press
808
00:37:32,985 --> 00:37:34,384
and the police.
809
00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,355
While the fear oftainted candy may be hysteria,
810
00:37:38,357 --> 00:37:40,557
Timothy's death was real...
811
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,292
but was it really conceivable
812
00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:43,994
that a father could killhis own child...
813
00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:49,366
and if so, what kind of monsterwas Ronald Clark o'Bryan?
814
00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:52,636
Look at that lying
son of a bitch.
815
00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,438
I thought just like Mr. o'Bryanwanted us to think...
816
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,873
that there was some maniac
out there
817
00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:01,511
randomly giving these poison
pixy styx to little kids.
818
00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:03,313
That's exactly what
he wanted us to think,
819
00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:04,681
and that's what we thought.
820
00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:10,520
It's hard to accept
that a human being
821
00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:11,855
was willing to do that,
822
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:16,559
and it's still difficult
for all of us.
823
00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:21,798
The people in this case were
forever affected by what he did
824
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,734
and by that,
I mean the bates kids...
825
00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,704
he was going to kill
his friends own two kids...
826
00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:30,407
and little Whitney Parker,
827
00:38:30,409 --> 01:17:00,816
and he would have
killed his daughter
828
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:34,544
if the ambulance and police
hadn't gotten there so fast.
829
00:38:34,546 --> 00:38:38,140
No good prosecutor wants to go
to trial at all on anything
830
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,916
unless they believe
in their own heart
831
00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:43,530
that the defendant is guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt,
832
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:45,655
and seeking the death penalty
is just an extra dimension
833
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:49,592
of care and consideration
that should be given.
834
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:50,727
You wanted to keep the case.
835
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:52,620
I sure did.
Why?
836
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,496
I wanted to hopefully
have a hand
837
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:55,398
in seeing that justice was done
838
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,467
and that he would die
for what he did.
839
00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:01,304
It took a jury only 45 minutes
840
00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:03,390
to find o'Bryan guilty
841
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:06,343
and another 75to sentence him to death.
842
00:39:06,345 --> 01:18:12,688
In a fitting irony,
843
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:13,883
he was scheduled to die onOctober 31, 1976, Halloween.
844
00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:15,985
I have statedfrom the very beginning
845
00:39:15,987 --> 00:39:19,556
that I had absolutelynothing at all to do with this.
846
00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:21,391
I maintain that now,
847
00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:23,660
and I'll willingto take a polygraph now,
848
00:39:23,662 --> 00:39:25,795
just like I wasfrom the very first time
849
00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:26,930
that they arrested me.
850
00:39:26,932 --> 01:18:53,862
Because I have no guilt,
851
00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:31,401
I'm not worried about whathappens to my physical body.
852
00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:34,437
When I die,I know where I'm going.
853
00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:37,507
You're going straightto hell, buddy.
854
00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,420
All these appealshave been turned down
855
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,845
appeal after appeal,and everybody is saying
856
00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:43,346
you will be executedthis Saturday.
857
00:39:43,348 --> 00:39:45,815
This could beyour last news conference.
858
00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,884
What are your final thoughts?
859
00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:48,885
As long as I have
860
00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:51,855
verifiable options open to me,
861
00:39:51,857 --> 00:39:53,560
I will pursue them.
862
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:56,590
Are you ever going to change
863
00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:58,561
your proclamation of innocenceor...
864
00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:01,970
No,why should I? It's the truth.
865
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:02,766
When you consider victims,
866
00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:06,403
the victim of this crimeactually turns out to be me.
867
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:08,710
O'Bryan had been sent
868
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:11,674
to Texas's infamoushuntsville prison
869
00:40:11,676 --> 01:20:23,350
which to this day,
870
00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:15,812
houses the most activedeath chamber in the us,
871
00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:17,514
but this was 1982,
872
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:19,783
and after a lengthy debatein the supreme court
873
00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:21,684
and numerous stays of execution,
874
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:24,154
o'Bryan was to be oneof the very first inmates
875
00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:27,791
to be executed withthe reinstituted death penalty.
876
00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:29,492
Yet, despite his crime,
877
00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:32,395
o'Bryan still managedto find his supporters.
878
00:40:32,397 --> 01:21:04,792
There were people
879
00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:38,670
who were in favor
of saving Ronald Clark o'Bryan
880
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:40,103
in spite of
the overwhelming evidence
881
00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,671
and the horror of the crime.
882
00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:43,390
Their position was
883
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:46,810
we are categorically
opposed to the death penalty.
884
00:40:46,812 --> 00:40:49,450
There also were
counter-protestors
885
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:51,548
who were in favor
of the death penalty.
886
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:53,516
They included a lot of students
887
00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:55,685
from the university located here
888
00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:58,154
including many who complained
889
00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,590
about what had happened
to Halloween.
890
00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:09,199
This is Ronald Clark o'Bryan.
891
00:41:09,201 --> 00:41:11,601
Mr. o'Bryan is 39 years old.
892
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:14,700
It looks like you are
going to be executed.
893
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,538
Would you agree with that?
894
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:16,973
It's a possibility.
895
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,675
I've been aware
of that possibility
896
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,100
since the sentence
was handed down.
897
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,879
It doesn't make it right.
898
00:41:22,881 --> 01:22:45,760
It's fair to say
899
00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:26,549
that nobody gets any joy
out of executing anybody,
900
00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:28,885
but it is also clear
that most Americans
901
00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:31,154
want to get on with this.
902
00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:33,723
They are upsetthat you're alive.
903
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:36,559
I-I can see that point, sure,
but here again,
904
00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:38,228
I don't think
that revenge is right.
905
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,530
I don't think society
is entitled to revenge.
906
00:41:40,532 --> 00:41:44,000
You are accused of ruiningHalloween for everybody.
907
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,236
Well,
that's a matter of opinion.
908
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:51,241
March 31, 1984,
909
00:41:51,243 --> 00:41:54,744
the day of o'Bryan's executionhad finally arrived.
910
00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,914
He was to be executedjust after midnight.
911
00:41:57,916 --> 00:42:00,583
As the hour approached,the frenzy outside
912
00:42:00,585 --> 00:42:02,886
reached a fever pitch.
913
00:42:02,888 --> 00:42:04,954
Demonstratorswere outside the prison
914
00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,857
waiting for the announcementthey wanted to hear.
915
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,994
Parents of other murderedchildren joined the vigil.
916
00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,196
You know, how could anyone do
something to their own child?
917
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:14,197
Dying together.
918
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,598
What all of us would give
919
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800
to have the chance
to have ours back.
920
00:42:20,504 --> 00:42:22,972
Do you think Halloweenwill ever be the same again?
921
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:27,110
Oh, I don't think Halloweenhas changed a great deal,
922
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,147
except maybe gottena little safer.
923
00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:35,840
At exactly 12:40 A.M.
924
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:38,221
O'Bryan was injected witha lethal cocktail of drugs,
925
00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:39,789
twice the normal amount,
926
00:42:39,791 --> 00:42:42,659
to account forhis 250-pound weight.
927
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:44,227
After o'Bryan's eyes fluttered,
928
00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:47,196
his chest heaved,and it was over.
929
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:50,166
Ronald o'Bryan,
930
00:42:50,168 --> 00:42:52,635
the man fellow inmatescalled the candy man,
931
00:42:52,637 --> 00:42:54,871
was killed by lethal injectionthis morning
932
00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:56,673
at a huntsville, Texas, prison.
933
00:42:56,675 --> 00:42:58,841
Ronald o'Bryanwent to his deathbed
934
00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,978
never admittingthat he killed his own son.
935
00:43:01,980 --> 01:26:03,958
But in a final statement,
936
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:06,783
the condemned mandid ask to be forgiven.
937
00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:09,819
Also to anyoneI have offended in any way
938
00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:12,956
during my 39 years.
939
00:43:12,958 --> 00:43:15,240
I pray and ask your forgiveness,
940
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:18,227
just as I forgive anyonewho offended me in any way.
941
00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:20,296
Ronald o'Bryan is dead.
942
00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:24,670
His ex-wife sees the executionas the end of a nightmare,
943
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:27,103
and a chancefor a brand new beginning.
944
00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:31,240
For many the ideathat we were killing the man
945
00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:34,577
who killed Halloweenseemed justified.
946
00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:38,648
O'Bryan had to dieso we could have our fun back.
947
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,984
People were celebrating it,
there's no question about it,
948
00:43:40,986 --> 00:43:44,120
but it waskind of a catharsis, really,
949
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,923
and people welcomed the event.
950
00:43:46,925 --> 00:43:51,661
He really had not just
desecrated the family tie,
951
00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:54,197
but he had actuallyin some fundamental way
952
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,834
desecrated the idea of Halloween
953
00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:04,641
by taking a scary story
and literally making it true.
954
00:44:04,643 --> 01:28:09,284
What he did is
955
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:08,144
he used the urban legendas a smokescreen.
956
00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:10,980
He used it as an alibi.
957
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:12,281
I couldn't have done it
958
00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:14,384
because this isthe sort of thing
959
00:44:14,386 --> 00:44:17,220
that an anonymous
creepy killer would do,
960
00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:20,356
and we all know that
because of urban legends.
961
00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:21,524
In the ultimate irony,
962
00:44:21,526 --> 00:44:25,280
o'Bryan's decision to enactthe tainted candy myth
963
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:28,310
turned fiction into reality,
964
00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:31,834
allowing the candy manto continue haunting Halloween
965
00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:33,736
for generations to come.
966
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,709
Look, it's right there.
967
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,847
Mr. o'Bryan, your case
968
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:49,786
has probably created terrorin the hearts of parents.
969
00:44:49,788 --> 00:44:52,221
In fact, I'm toldthat the inmates
970
00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:55,825
occasionally refer to youas the candy man, is that so?
971
00:45:02,433 --> 00:45:04,233
A babysitter is watching TV
972
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,835
after putting the kids to bed
973
00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:08,237
when she gets a callfrom a mysterious stranger.
974
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:12,775
Hello.
975
00:45:12,777 --> 00:45:14,811
Have you checked the children?
976
00:45:14,813 --> 01:30:29,624
What?
977
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:17,980
Thinking it's a prank,she hangs up.
978
00:45:17,982 --> 01:30:35,962
A few minutes later,
979
00:45:17,982 --> 00:45:20,917
the same mysterious mancalls again.
980
00:45:20,919 --> 00:45:21,951
Hello?
981
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:24,120
Have you checked the children?
982
00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:25,755
Only now the question ends
983
00:45:25,757 --> 00:45:27,356
with a devilish laugh.
984
00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:29,392
The babysitter reports the call.
985
00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,600
Hello, could you
get me the police.
986
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:33,863
I've been getting
weird phone calls.
987
00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:35,932
After a few minutes,a hurried voice calls back.
988
00:45:37,769 --> 01:31:15,536
Leave me alone!
989
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:40,403
Jill,this is sergeant sachar.
990
00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:42,338
Listen to me.We've traced the call.
991
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:44,307
The caller is in the house.
992
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:46,876
The calls are comingfrom the house.
993
00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:48,945
It's coming frominside the house.
994
00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:51,280
Just at that moment,the babysitter looks over
995
00:45:51,282 --> 00:45:53,850
as a man is comingdown the stairs.
996
00:45:59,156 --> 00:46:02,580
Well, that really happened
to a girl in my hometown.
997
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,861
Oh, yes. I'm sure it did.
998
00:46:04,863 --> 00:46:07,730
I'm sure most of you grew up
999
00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:11,134
thinking that this happened
to girls in all your hometowns,
1000
00:46:11,136 --> 00:46:13,669
but it didn't.
1001
00:46:14,738 --> 00:46:17,206
Yes, the babysitterand the man upstairs
1002
00:46:17,208 --> 00:46:19,800
is a popular urban legend,
1003
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,444
but is there any truthbehind it?
1004
00:46:21,446 --> 00:46:24,280
One would think soconsidering all these examples,
1005
00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:26,349
but when dealingwith urban legends,
1006
00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:28,985
the truth is neverquite what it seems.
1007
00:46:32,352 --> 00:46:34,391
When I think babysitter,
1008
00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:37,493
I think about me babysittingas a teenager
1009
00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,929
and how fearful I was.
1010
00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:42,498
You know,
being in a strange house,
1011
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,968
hearing strange sounds,
not being familiar,
1012
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:47,203
but what was interesting
1013
00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:49,405
is that I started researching
babysitters,
1014
00:46:49,407 --> 00:46:51,374
thinking that I wouldn't
have a hard time
1015
00:46:51,376 --> 00:46:53,420
finding a case of a babysitter
1016
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,546
by following some kind ofdeath or kidnapping,
1017
00:46:56,548 --> 00:47:00,116
the children upstairs
being killed or whatever.
1018
00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:02,885
It's very difficult to find
any true crimes
1019
00:47:02,887 --> 00:47:04,287
to connect
this urban legend line.
1020
00:47:04,289 --> 01:34:08,576
One thing that's interesting
1021
00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:09,158
about babysitting is that itdoesn't increase your danger
1022
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,993
of being attacked at all.
1023
00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:13,396
It would bea completely random event
1024
00:47:13,398 --> 00:47:17,867
for a babysitter to be attackedduring a house burglary,
1025
00:47:17,869 --> 00:47:21,270
but it induces anxietybecause suddenly
1026
00:47:21,272 --> 00:47:23,840
they're responsible for
these other people's kids,
1027
00:47:23,842 --> 00:47:25,441
and it has nothing to dowith your potential
1028
00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:27,900
for becoming a crime victim...
1029
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:29,545
but it may be getting itexpressed in stories
1030
00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,914
in which the babysitterbecomes the crime victim.
1031
00:47:31,916 --> 00:47:33,549
You would thinkwith the amount of babysitters
1032
00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:35,418
getting killed
in popular culture now,
1033
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:37,954
like, we would have just like
gotten a case immediately.
1034
00:47:37,956 --> 00:47:39,555
Oh, it took me
to going back to the '50s
1035
00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:41,424
to actually find one.
1036
00:47:41,426 --> 00:47:44,260
We found this case
of janett christman
1037
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,496
here in Columbia, Missouri,
which is why we're here.
1038
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,407
My name is Carol Haley holt,
1039
00:47:58,409 --> 00:48:03,790
and I was a very good friend
of janett christman
1040
00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:08,117
from first grade
through the time of her death.
1041
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:14,230
It was march 18, 1950.
1042
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:18,294
Janett was babysitting
for the romack family
1043
00:48:18,296 --> 00:48:20,897
out kind of in the west edge
of Columbia...
1044
00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:23,599
it really wasn't
in the city limits.
1045
00:48:23,601 --> 00:48:26,502
It was kind of an eerie night.
1046
00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:30,907
I also was babysitting,and I just felt uneasy,
1047
00:48:30,909 --> 00:48:32,375
and that was unusual for me
1048
00:48:32,377 --> 00:48:34,577
because I didquite a bit of babysitting...
1049
00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:39,148
but I just felt that something
was going on about 12 o'clock,
1050
00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:41,217
and I even got up
to check the door
1051
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:42,318
and make sure it was locked,
1052
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,552
went in to check
the little boy...
1053
00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:45,554
he was fine.
1054
00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:48,958
And then the next morning,
the phone rang.
1055
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,160
My mother went in to answer
1056
00:48:51,162 --> 00:48:53,290
and told me that janetthad been killed
1057
00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:54,397
while she was babysitting.
1058
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:55,598
I had heard that
1059
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,368
there had been a phone call
to the police.
1060
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,380
Well, Mrs. romack tried to call
1061
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,208
to check on janett
with the thunder,
1062
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:08,945
and she was afraid
the little boy might wake up...
1063
00:49:08,947 --> 00:49:12,214
and she tried to call
and received a busy signal.
1064
00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,318
What the romackfamily didn't know
1065
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,190
is that janetthad called the police
1066
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:18,454
while she was being attacked,
1067
00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:22,910
but the only thing they heardwere desperate screams.
1068
00:49:22,930 --> 00:49:23,426
Unable to trace the call,
1069
00:49:23,428 --> 00:49:25,928
the police were helplessto stop her murder.
1070
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:33,469
Janett had skin
under her fingernails.
1071
00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:40,409
She had many abrasions
on her body,
1072
00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:43,120
but the final thing was
1073
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:47,830
that she was strangled
with an ironing cord.
1074
00:49:49,186 --> 00:49:54,230
I know she suffered a lot
before she finally succumbed.
1075
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,426
Janett christman's death
1076
00:49:57,428 --> 00:50:00,162
shocked the small townof Columbia, Missouri,
1077
00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,231
but despite being one ofthe most publicized crimes
1078
00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:03,733
in the past 60 years,
1079
00:50:03,735 --> 00:50:06,535
her murderhas never been solved.
1080
00:50:06,537 --> 00:50:09,739
So right now, we're looking
for ed romack's house
1081
00:50:09,741 --> 00:50:11,974
where janett christman
was murdered
1082
00:50:11,976 --> 00:50:14,243
while she was babysitting.
1083
00:50:14,245 --> 00:50:16,645
1015 should be
somewhere along here.
1084
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:18,447
So then it must be that one.
1085
00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:20,449
That house right there?Right there, right there.
1086
00:50:22,252 --> 00:50:23,986
Quick question for you,
1087
00:50:23,988 --> 00:50:26,455
is this where ed romackused to live?
1088
00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:27,523
Is that this house?
1089
00:50:27,525 --> 01:40:55,048
Maybe.
1090
00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:30,159
But you don't knowanything about it.
1091
00:50:34,164 --> 00:50:35,564
Uh-hm.
1092
00:50:35,566 --> 00:50:38,734
About two years ago,
this car pulled up
1093
00:50:38,736 --> 00:50:42,738
and they were out there talking
and pointing here at this house,
1094
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,241
and they said
we're trying to figure out
1095
00:50:45,243 --> 00:50:49,512
which house where a girl
was babysitting a little baby,
1096
00:50:49,514 --> 00:50:51,514
and she got murdered and raped.
1097
00:50:51,516 --> 01:41:43,030
Uh-hm.
1098
00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:53,616
And I said, no,
it's not this house,
1099
00:50:53,618 --> 00:50:54,717
it's that one.
1100
00:50:54,719 --> 01:41:49,436
Uh-hm.
1101
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,421
It was a man talking to me.
He said, "I was the baby."
1102
00:50:58,423 --> 00:50:59,588
No!
1103
00:50:59,590 --> 01:41:59,178
Wow!
1104
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:03,225
And a different woman that
lived across west boulevard,
1105
00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:05,594
and she had been
raped and murdered
1106
00:51:05,596 --> 00:51:08,597
sometime within close
to that time.
1107
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,320
Jenkins is it?
Yes.
1108
00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:11,167
Jenkins, right.
1109
00:51:11,169 --> 00:51:13,202
We went to...
I went to the trial. Yeah.
1110
00:51:13,204 --> 00:51:15,337
Marylou Jenkinswas the other reason
1111
00:51:15,339 --> 00:51:17,206
we were in Columbia.
1112
00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:21,310
On February 6, 1946,marylou, age 20,
1113
00:51:21,312 --> 00:51:22,611
was home alonewhile her mother was out
1114
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,314
caring for an elderly neighbor.
1115
00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:27,716
The next morning she came hometo find marylou dead.
1116
00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,352
Much like janett christman'smurder four years later,
1117
00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:31,787
marylou had been rapedand strangled
1118
00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:33,589
with an electrical cord.
1119
00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:37,626
A mentally-challenged mannamed Floyd Cochran
1120
00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:39,728
who had been arrestedfor killing his wife
1121
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:42,798
was charged with the murderand quickly executed.
1122
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,670
Do you think Floyd was innocent?
1123
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:47,203
I think
he was likely innocent
1124
00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,672
of killing marylou Jenkins, yes.
1125
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:54,110
He did kill his wife
in likely a domestic dispute,
1126
00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:56,745
but just from reading
the trial transcripts,
1127
00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,781
it just didn't seem like
he had the wherewithal
1128
00:51:58,783 --> 00:52:02,840
to kill and rape a young woman.
1129
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:04,286
Mary Beth brown
is a researcher
1130
00:52:04,288 --> 00:52:07,890
who helped shed new light
on these old cold cases.
1131
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:08,757
She believesthe eerie similarities
1132
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,327
between the Jenkins murderand the christman murder
1133
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:14,763
four years lateronly provesCochran's innocence.
1134
00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:17,666
They were both young woman,
they were home by themselves,
1135
00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:20,302
they were both found
with electrical cords
1136
00:52:20,304 --> 01:44:40,606
wrapped around their neck,
1137
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:25,841
but cords that weren't attached
or torn from the appliance...
1138
00:52:25,843 --> 01:44:51,684
they were actually cut.
1139
00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:30,346
The whole location thing
is the one that really gets me.
1140
00:52:30,348 --> 00:52:31,614
Like how close was it?
1141
00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:33,182
Within two blocks.
1142
00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:35,317
Do you thinkthat the same person
1143
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:40,356
who killed marylou Jenkins
also killed janett christman?
1144
00:52:40,358 --> 00:52:43,893
That's my personal opinion,
but yeah.
1145
00:52:43,895 --> 00:52:45,494
And who do you think did it?
1146
00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:46,896
I've been told several people,
1147
00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:50,466
but more than any other name
was Robert Mueller.
1148
00:52:50,468 --> 01:45:40,934
Robert Mueller
1149
00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:53,802
was a high school friendof ed romack's,
1150
00:52:53,804 --> 00:52:55,471
and it was the romack's house
1151
00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:57,540
where janett was babysittingthat night.
1152
00:52:57,542 --> 00:52:59,375
The romacks told policethat Mueller
1153
00:52:59,377 --> 00:53:01,810
had often commentedon janett being a virgin
1154
00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:05,614
and had eluded to knowingintimate details of the crime.
1155
00:53:05,616 --> 00:53:07,616
Although Mueller had beentaken in for questioning
1156
00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:10,219
and passed a polygraph,the police still felt
1157
00:53:10,221 --> 00:53:12,454
there was enough evidenceto arrest him.
1158
00:53:12,456 --> 00:53:14,857
However, a grand juryrefused to indict,
1159
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,826
and Mueller was never triedfor janett's murder.
1160
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:21,830
I am workingon a documentary,
1161
00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:23,766
and I'm interested
in a cold case
1162
00:53:23,768 --> 01:46:47,534
that I've been researching.
1163
00:53:23,768 --> 00:53:26,402
I wanted to see
if there was any information
1164
00:53:26,404 --> 00:53:28,504
that you could give me.
1165
00:53:28,506 --> 01:46:57,010
Okay, is that...
1166
00:53:28,506 --> 00:53:31,407
did you just like
do something on your system
1167
00:53:31,409 --> 00:53:33,309
and you see
there's nothing there?
1168
00:53:33,311 --> 00:53:34,476
Despite numerous efforts
1169
00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:35,711
to reach out to police,
1170
00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,980
they were less than responsive.
1171
00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:40,849
Christman's case was too oldto warrant attention.
1172
00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:44,353
However, we were able totrack down some old case files.
1173
00:53:44,355 --> 00:53:47,256
This deputy testified
that romack told him
1174
00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:49,892
Mueller had known janett
1175
00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:53,762
and admired
her well-developed form.
1176
00:53:53,764 --> 00:53:56,865
Oh my God!
1177
00:53:58,368 --> 00:54:00,302
There's her leg.
1178
00:54:00,304 --> 00:54:02,771
There's the phone.
1179
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:06,842
That's the cord
around her neck, right there.
1180
00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:11,413
It's one of those ironsback then with the thick cords.
1181
00:54:11,415 --> 01:48:22,828
That's the windowthat was broken
1182
00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:15,451
that supposedlywhoever did thiswent in and out of,
1183
00:54:15,453 --> 01:48:30,904
but the venetian blinds...
1184
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:17,920
if someone were goingthrough there...
1185
00:54:17,922 --> 00:54:19,822
they'd be totally ripped up.
1186
00:54:19,824 --> 00:54:21,390
The piano, look.
1187
00:54:21,392 --> 00:54:23,525
That's the window...
oh, look.
1188
00:54:23,527 --> 01:48:47,052
That's the broken glass
1189
00:54:23,527 --> 01:48:47,052
and that's why they're sayingnothing is disturbed
1190
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:28,797
because look at the areaaround it.
1191
00:54:28,799 --> 00:54:30,499
So, inside job.
1192
00:54:30,501 --> 01:49:01,000
Uh-hm.
1193
00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:33,402
Mueller's wife,
according to the deputy,
1194
00:54:33,404 --> 00:54:37,239
had called the girl to baby sit
at the Mueller home that night
1195
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:39,675
and found she had already
been asked by Mrs. romack.
1196
00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:40,976
So, Mueller tried to get her
1197
00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:41,978
to baby sit that night.
1198
00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:43,445
Must have been.
1199
00:54:43,447 --> 00:54:46,615
And she was already
babysitting the romacks...
1200
00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:51,754
which was how he would know
she would be alone.
1201
00:54:51,756 --> 00:54:53,322
I agree that it sounds
like he did it,
1202
00:54:53,324 --> 00:54:57,293
but maybe, maybe he didn't.
1203
00:54:57,295 --> 00:55:00,529
There's no solid proof,
no hard evidence.
1204
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,501
Joan sorrels is anotherresearcher studying the cases.
1205
00:55:05,503 --> 01:50:11,004
She believes other crimes
1206
00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:08,304
happening in Columbiaat the time
1207
00:55:08,306 --> 00:55:10,906
might be connectedto these murders.
1208
00:55:10,908 --> 00:55:12,410
There were rapes
1209
00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:15,344
that had occurred
within that period
1210
00:55:15,346 --> 00:55:18,814
between the Jenkins murder
and the christman murder.
1211
00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:19,816
Tell me about those.
1212
00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:21,517
Yeah. Well, there was a rape
1213
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,654
that was within two blocks
of the christman murder.
1214
00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:29,792
The girl was raped by a man
that wore a mask...
1215
00:55:29,794 --> 00:55:30,794
Really?
1216
00:55:30,795 --> 01:51:01,588
And when you read the stories...
1217
00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:33,929
the reports
of the christman murder...
1218
00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:35,864
when they're talking
about Robert Mueller,
1219
00:55:35,866 --> 00:55:39,368
it turns out that he wasinterested in the theater
1220
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,371
and that he made masks.
1221
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:46,410
There was a black man named
Jake Bradford that they charged,
1222
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:48,770
and he had already been in jail,
1223
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:51,647
and he was charged on the rapes.
1224
00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,649
You assume he was innocent.
1225
00:55:53,651 --> 00:55:55,500
Of that.
1226
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,520
They took the wrong man,
they really did.
1227
00:55:58,522 --> 00:56:00,789
Would you say that Columbia
has like a history of this?
1228
00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:02,558
Well, you remember
that I was graduating
1229
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,526
from high school in '51.
1230
00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,395
You would go
to the mu football games
1231
00:56:06,397 --> 00:56:07,996
and you would stand up
for Dixie.
1232
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,990
What does that mean?
1233
00:56:10,101 --> 00:56:11,567
The song dixies...
1234
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:12,801
Uh-hm, okay.
1235
00:56:12,803 --> 00:56:14,470
That's a confederate song.
1236
00:56:14,472 --> 01:52:28,942
Uh-hm.
1237
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:20,342
Columbia was really primarily
a confederate town.
1238
00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:24,780
Basically this is the story
of a young girl...
1239
00:56:24,782 --> 00:56:25,781
We came here to investigate
1240
00:56:25,783 --> 01:52:51,564
an urban legend,
1241
00:56:25,783 --> 00:56:29,170
but what we foundwas truly shocking...
1242
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:31,353
the unsolved murdersof two young girls,
1243
00:56:31,355 --> 00:56:33,889
a series of brutal rapes,and the possibility
1244
00:56:33,891 --> 00:56:38,460
that men were being falselyaccused and even executed.
1245
00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:41,630
In all honesty, the truthwas more unflinchingly real
1246
00:56:41,632 --> 00:56:43,665
than we could everhave imagined.
1247
00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:46,802
So right now, we are headedto hinkson creek.
1248
00:56:46,804 --> 00:56:48,837
This is where
a lot of people went to park
1249
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:52,541
back in the '50s, and '40s,
'50s, '60s and still do now.
1250
00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:53,675
Yeah.
1251
00:56:56,379 --> 00:56:57,780
We just wanted to see
about all the other rapes
1252
00:56:57,782 --> 00:57:00,416
that were happening
other than the two houses.
1253
00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:03,850
This is the creek
where they're saying
1254
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:05,854
there were a ton of rapes
happening around here.
1255
00:57:11,394 --> 00:57:12,594
That.
1256
00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:16,310
This is wherethe college students go in,
1257
00:57:16,330 --> 00:57:17,766
and there's like a carright out over there
1258
00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,670
and they just flashedtheir lights
1259
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:22,738
because they didn't want us
to walk in on them.
1260
00:57:25,542 --> 00:57:26,675
What's down here?
1261
00:57:26,677 --> 00:57:28,844
Uh, where they dragged the girl.
1262
00:57:28,846 --> 00:57:32,581
Dragged?
Dragged from the car.
1263
00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,483
There was a couple making out.
1264
00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:36,652
Some guy came out of nowhere
1265
00:57:36,654 --> 00:57:39,870
and then at gunpoint
pulled one of the girls off
1266
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:42,570
into the woods... and it was
right near Halloween...
1267
00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:45,894
and basically this guy
put a mask over his head
1268
00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:49,465
and then he put a maskover the girl's face,
1269
00:57:49,467 --> 01:55:38,932
and then he raped her.
1270
00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:52,968
I think the more scary thing
was being a woman,
1271
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:57,940
being a girl between
1940 and 1950, in this area,
1272
00:57:57,942 --> 00:58:00,876
knowing the amount of things
going on.
1273
00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:02,778
I wouldn't have wanted to be
a babysitter back then.
1274
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:05,800
I wouldn't have wanted
to be by myself
1275
00:58:05,820 --> 01:56:11,620
in one of those houses.
1276
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:10,850
Most teenagers in the us
go through a period
1277
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:12,154
when they baby sit
at least once or twice,
1278
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:16,558
and it feels very terrifyingto the person who is doing it,
1279
00:58:17,595 --> 00:58:20,128
But it's not actually dangerousalmost at all.
1280
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,531
I mean, there's no reasonto imagine
1281
00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:25,670
that any killer would even know
1282
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:27,536
that a babysitter was on dutyin the house,
1283
00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:29,972
and it makes the most senseif you think about the fact
1284
00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:33,750
that maybe he knew she wasgoing to be there babysitting
1285
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:35,210
and maybe
he did this specifically
1286
00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:37,179
to torment the babysitter,
1287
00:58:37,181 --> 00:58:39,114
and that is
exactly what happened,
1288
00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:41,817
they think,
in the Columbia case.
1289
00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:44,853
Was somebody tormentingthe babysitters in Columbia...
1290
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,723
and was the same personresponsible for the sex crimes
1291
00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,658
that had terrorized this town...
1292
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:53,962
and finallywas this same personRobert Mueller?
1293
00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,764
Hoping for someadditional insight,
1294
00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:58,233
we turned to a profilerin Kansas City,
1295
00:58:58,235 --> 00:59:00,969
a former German nationalnamed Peter brendt
1296
00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,500
who was willing to reviewour case.
1297
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,842
So in your opinion,the same killer for both girls.
1298
00:59:06,844 --> 00:59:08,677
Yes.This is too specific
1299
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:11,130
if you addall of the details together.
1300
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:13,181
Do you think
that marylou Jenkins knew him?
1301
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,218
Well, there was no signof forced entry on the door,
1302
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:21,560
so at least from the sight,she must have known him,
1303
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:23,825
and he was non threateningto her.
1304
00:59:23,827 --> 00:59:26,795
Right.
Now let's talk about christman.
1305
00:59:26,797 --> 00:59:29,631
Oh, well,this is a lot more specifics.
1306
00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:32,000
If you seethere comes an offender,
1307
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,168
he breaks a window.
1308
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:35,771
The victim runs to the kitchenwhere the phone is,
1309
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:38,730
and he walks inthrough the front door.
1310
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,576
Now, why would he do that?
1311
00:59:40,578 --> 00:59:43,579
He would do thatonly if he knew one detail...
1312
00:59:43,581 --> 00:59:48,684
ed romack had shown herhow to use the shortcut.
1313
00:59:48,686 --> 00:59:50,686
Peter had brought upan interesting clue...
1314
00:59:50,688 --> 00:59:52,321
one that many had overlooked.
1315
00:59:52,323 --> 00:59:54,890
Romack testifiedthat he had shown janett
1316
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:56,558
a loaded shotgunby the front door.
1317
00:59:56,560 --> 01:59:53,118
By breaking the window,
1318
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,828
Mueller would distract heraway from the gun
1319
00:59:59,830 --> 01:00:03,298
so he could safelyget inside the house.
1320
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,935
He knew how long he would needaround the house,
1321
01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:08,971
through the front doorinto the kitchen.
1322
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:13,942
So he knew every feetof the route.
1323
01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,577
Do you think it was Mueller?
1324
01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:17,120
He fits the bill,
1325
01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:18,981
but a lot of other malesof the town
1326
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:20,849
would fit that bill, too.
1327
01:00:20,851 --> 01:00:24,119
And the problem ishe passed his lie detector.
1328
01:00:24,121 --> 01:00:30,158
Now, if you have even 20%to 40% cycle passes it makes...
1329
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,827
a lie detector,
1330
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:34,830
especially an old modelfrom the '50s,
1331
01:00:34,832 --> 01:00:39,868
um, well, it's worthless.
1332
01:00:39,870 --> 02:01:19,738
Now the other interesting thing
1333
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:44,873
is that the rapes and murders
stopped when he left town.
1334
01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:48,210
Well, that looks not goodon the other side.
1335
01:00:48,212 --> 01:00:53,248
What was it, half a millionyoung males went to Korea?
1336
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,385
So he wasn't the only onewho left the area.
1337
01:00:56,387 --> 01:00:59,210
I mean he wouldso nicely fit the bill,
1338
01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:03,725
but that's the risky partwith profiles, yeah?
1339
01:01:03,727 --> 01:01:06,194
A profile statesnot who the killer is
1340
01:01:06,196 --> 01:01:08,864
but what the killer is.
1341
01:01:08,866 --> 01:01:09,865
I think it's interesting
1342
01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:12,100
that he thinks whoever this is,
1343
01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:15,671
he knew her...
he knew both.
1344
01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:17,500
Although we'llnever be able to prove
1345
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:18,874
who committed all these crimes,
1346
01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:20,308
the evidence strongly suggests
1347
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:23,645
that janett christmanknew her killer.
1348
01:01:23,647 --> 01:01:28,383
There really is not
a strong tradition in America
1349
01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:32,854
of strangers coming in
and killing babysitters.
1350
01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,992
Babysitters killingsmall children, yes,
1351
01:01:36,994 --> 01:01:40,729
but the strangeron babysitter story
1352
01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:47,736
just doesn't connect up with
a widespread real social fear.
1353
01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,209
What the babysitterand the man upstairs
1354
01:01:54,211 --> 01:01:57,145
seems to be aboutis this warning
1355
01:01:57,147 --> 01:01:59,810
about this kind ofresponsibility.
1356
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:00,449
If you're taking
this responsibility,
1357
01:02:00,451 --> 01:02:02,840
you have to take it seriously.
1358
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:04,786
So, you have this voice
that calls her up on the phone
1359
01:02:04,788 --> 01:02:06,421
and almost like a conscience,
1360
01:02:06,423 --> 01:02:08,290
asks have you checked
the children,
1361
01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:10,258
and she hasn'tchecked the children,
1362
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:12,828
and that's one of the reasonswhy she doesn't know
1363
01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:14,763
that they've been murdered.
1364
01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:18,660
I think it makes more sense
1365
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,102
to look at it in a simple way
1366
01:02:20,104 --> 01:02:25,273
and say the babysitter is
dealing with her own anxieties
1367
01:02:25,275 --> 01:02:29,978
of being potentially the cause
of the children's death...
1368
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:34,349
and the killer upstairs
is the killer upstairs for her.
1369
01:02:34,351 --> 01:02:36,318
The tragic case
of janett christman
1370
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,987
only goes to provebill Ellis's point
1371
01:02:38,989 --> 01:02:42,791
that our portrayal of the manupstairs is incorrect...
1372
01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:45,260
and that's because the truthis more terrifying
1373
01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,229
than we can ever imagine.
1374
01:02:47,231 --> 01:02:49,231
Janett christmanknew her killer,
1375
01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:51,767
and if it's truethat her killer was Mueller
1376
01:02:51,769 --> 01:02:54,402
as so many in Columbiahave suggested,
1377
01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:57,239
then the man tormenting herthat fateful night
1378
01:02:57,241 --> 01:02:59,474
wasn't any stranger.
1379
01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:15,190
So now we go fromColumbia, Missouri,
1380
01:03:15,192 --> 01:03:17,793
to Chicago in the 1980s...
1381
01:03:17,795 --> 01:03:19,995
from the small townto the big city.
1382
01:03:22,310 --> 01:03:24,900
For some,it is a loss of innocence,
1383
01:03:24,902 --> 01:03:29,400
and nothing speaks to that lossmore than clowns.
1384
01:03:30,541 --> 01:03:33,408
We used to think of clownsas fairly happy characters.
1385
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:35,844
Yes, sometimesthey were sad or hapless,
1386
01:03:35,846 --> 01:03:38,380
but ultimately they wereharmless caricatures.
1387
01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:41,983
Of course, clown faceswere exaggerated and garish,
1388
01:03:41,985 --> 01:03:43,451
but that's because ofthe far distances
1389
01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:45,921
between the audienceand the ring.
1390
01:03:45,923 --> 01:03:49,357
It wasn't the clown's fault,or was it?
1391
01:03:50,893 --> 01:03:52,427
Before modern times,the clown...
1392
01:03:52,429 --> 01:03:54,429
or more appropriatelythe Jester...
1393
01:03:54,431 --> 01:03:56,398
was considereda mischievous trickster
1394
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,135
whose special roleallowed them to mock nobility.
1395
01:04:00,137 --> 01:04:03,371
Jesters served to entertain,but it wasn't all smiles.
1396
01:04:03,373 --> 01:04:08,276
These clowns had a mean streak,and they played it to the hilt.
1397
01:04:08,278 --> 01:04:10,879
But what was itabout the clowns of today
1398
01:04:10,881 --> 01:04:14,883
that turned theminto something evil?
1399
01:04:17,487 --> 01:04:18,954
Breakfast.
1400
01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:22,924
I'm hungry.
1401
01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:25,560
Some believeit was when we brought clowns
1402
01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,896
out of the big topand into our homes
1403
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:30,310
via birthday parties and TV,
1404
01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:32,868
that thingsreally began to change.
1405
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:36,204
We see you here as bozo.
Who are you really?
1406
01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,306
Had thatsuspicious gleam in the eye
1407
01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:39,975
been there all along?
1408
01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:42,911
Did we finally just puttwo and two together to realize
1409
01:04:42,913 --> 01:04:46,414
that clowns were creepyor even worse...
1410
01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:48,490
dangerous?
1411
01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:50,585
The news at 5.
1412
01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:52,420
Chicago police warned parents
1413
01:04:52,422 --> 01:04:56,524
about a man dressed as a clownwho is approaching children.
1414
01:04:56,526 --> 01:04:58,593
Police say a clowntried to lure boys
1415
01:04:58,595 --> 01:05:01,863
into his pickup trucklast Tuesday evening.
1416
01:05:01,865 --> 01:05:03,365
Police have issuedtwo community alerts
1417
01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:06,868
regarding the clown sightingnear some southside schools
1418
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,271
as well assome westside schools.
1419
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,600
No one can say for sure
1420
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,510
where in Chicagoit happened first or even when,
1421
01:05:17,113 --> 01:05:21,583
but they were out there,snatching kids off the streets.
1422
01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:24,352
They trolled playgroundsand schoolyards.
1423
01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,421
Sometimes they usedballoons or candy
1424
01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:28,356
to lure the gullible ones.
1425
01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:32,327
But ask anyonewho has seen them,
1426
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:34,896
and they'll all tell youthe same thing...
1427
01:05:34,898 --> 01:05:37,198
it was the white vanthey saw first
1428
01:05:39,168 --> 01:05:41,903
and then that facebehind the wheel
1429
01:05:41,905 --> 01:05:44,639
painted whitewith a maniacal smile.
1430
01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:49,945
We call them the killer clowns,
1431
01:05:49,947 --> 01:05:52,447
and they only wantedone thing...
1432
01:05:52,449 --> 01:05:56,484
to kidnap kids just like us.
1433
01:05:57,687 --> 01:05:59,200
Police are sayingthat the suspect
1434
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:01,189
wears clown make-up, a wig,
1435
01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:03,224
and sometimeshe carried balloons.
1436
01:06:03,226 --> 02:12:06,450
The latest pair of incidents
1437
01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:06,995
occurred near playgroundsat 83rd and mackinaw...
1438
01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:08,697
They were running out
of the playground area.
1439
01:06:08,699 --> 01:06:11,232
To prey on children
at this time, you know,
1440
01:06:11,234 --> 01:06:13,568
right around the time
that they want to go out
1441
01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:16,438
and do trick-or-treating
is unfortunate.
1442
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,700
We should emphasize
that nothing has happened...
1443
01:06:19,900 --> 02:12:39,600
no child has been hurt...
1444
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,111
but certainly these incidents
that have been near children
1445
01:06:23,113 --> 01:06:25,113
is making it very uneasy.
1446
01:06:29,685 --> 01:06:32,120
In 2008, this wasone of the reported sightings...
1447
01:06:32,122 --> 01:06:33,210
South mackinaw...
1448
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:35,991
one of the theoretical
clown abductions
1449
01:06:35,993 --> 01:06:38,593
where apparently he was hiding
in the playground
1450
01:06:38,595 --> 01:06:40,610
with some balloons...
1451
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:42,630
Or he was in a van
or he was in a truck.
1452
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:44,650
I mean, no adultsaid they saw this.
1453
01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:46,340
Something was going onwith these children
1454
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,271
to feel the need
to alert adults.
1455
01:06:50,273 --> 01:06:51,373
You doing a documentary?
1456
01:06:51,375 --> 02:13:42,748
Yeah, we are.
1457
01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:53,742
Do you believethat really happened?
1458
01:06:53,744 --> 01:06:54,809
Yeah, oh sure.
1459
01:06:54,811 --> 01:06:56,244
Why do you believethat happened?
1460
01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:57,512
Well, people told me, you know,
1461
01:06:57,514 --> 01:06:59,414
that they actually seen that.
1462
01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:01,216
Was it just one incident
or was it...
1463
01:07:01,218 --> 01:07:03,385
No, it was like a couple weeks
or you know,
1464
01:07:03,387 --> 01:07:05,653
a month or something like
that it was going on.
1465
01:07:05,655 --> 01:07:07,550
Did they ever catch the guy?
1466
01:07:07,570 --> 02:14:15,120
I'm not sure.
1467
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:09,657
I think they did
because it stopped.
1468
01:07:09,659 --> 01:07:12,193
Definitely
it was a true incident.
1469
01:07:12,195 --> 01:07:14,620
Uh-hm.
Uh-hm.
1470
01:07:14,640 --> 02:14:29,260
So, he believes...
1471
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,298
He believes it.
It was-it was real.
1472
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:19,567
I think there could possibly
have been a clown here.
1473
01:07:19,569 --> 01:07:21,403
It's hard to discern.
1474
01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:23,705
A white van
and the guy had a mask...
1475
01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:25,573
Uh-hm.
...Of a clown.
1476
01:07:25,575 --> 01:07:27,709
One of our friends' daughters...
1477
01:07:27,711 --> 01:07:29,210
yeah, and she was holding on
1478
01:07:29,212 --> 01:07:30,645
like for dear life to the fence.
1479
01:07:30,647 --> 01:07:32,180
Really?
Yeah.
1480
01:07:32,182 --> 01:07:33,782
Do you believeit really happened?
1481
01:07:33,784 --> 02:15:07,566
I believe so.
1482
01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:37,520
We have tons and tons
of pedophiles
1483
01:07:37,540 --> 01:07:39,540
in this community.
I always log on to it.
1484
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:40,880
Really?
Oh yes.
1485
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:41,189
Dressing as a clown?
1486
01:07:41,191 --> 02:15:22,380
Yeah.
1487
01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:43,725
That's a little extreme,
don't you think?
1488
01:07:43,727 --> 02:15:27,452
No.
1489
01:07:43,727 --> 02:15:27,452
But you never saw the clown.
1490
01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:49,640
No, but we saw people
that acted like that person...
1491
01:07:49,660 --> 02:15:39,300
trying to lure...
tell the kids.
1492
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:53,468
I saw him right in the store
and I warned the store owner.
1493
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:54,803
I'd like for people
to hear the truth
1494
01:07:54,805 --> 01:07:57,720
Not a lie.
1495
01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:00,141
Now I don't know what to think.
1496
01:08:00,143 --> 01:08:02,177
Walking away,it was hard not to believe
1497
01:08:02,179 --> 01:08:04,412
that there must be
some truth to this.
1498
01:08:04,414 --> 01:08:06,548
Could all these people
really be wrong?
1499
01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:10,118
Maybe our fear of clowns
isn't just in our heads.
1500
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,389
Coulrophobiais the fear of clowns.
1501
01:08:14,391 --> 01:08:16,658
It is so widespread now
that, you know,
1502
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:19,828
everybody knows that people
are afraid of clowns.
1503
01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:22,564
Everybody knows that something
is up with clowns,
1504
01:08:22,566 --> 01:08:25,533
and the last couple of decadeshave just been confirmation
1505
01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:27,302
of everything they ever feared.
1506
01:08:27,304 --> 02:16:54,606
But what's even more disturbing
1507
01:08:27,304 --> 01:08:32,740
is that these phantom clownsdidn't just appear in 2008.
1508
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,577
There was a similar sighting17 years previously,
1509
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,613
in the fall of 1991.
1510
01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:40,615
From the number ofalleged sightings
1511
01:08:40,617 --> 01:08:43,118
coming from practicallyall over Chicago,
1512
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,486
police are theorizing
1513
01:08:44,488 --> 01:08:46,654
there may be more
than one phony clown
1514
01:08:46,656 --> 01:08:48,790
out roaming the streets.
1515
01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:49,858
This is a comment.
1516
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:51,726
"I've seen the same vanwith the clown driving
1517
01:08:51,728 --> 01:08:54,295
when we was on the westsideplaying,
1518
01:08:54,297 --> 01:08:56,464
and I can recall the vanstopping in the alley
1519
01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:58,766
and the clown trying tolure me to the van.
1520
01:08:58,768 --> 02:17:57,534
That scared me worser
1521
01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:02,537
than living in cabrini-green
projects."
1522
01:09:02,539 --> 01:09:05,340
The mention ofcabrini-green was telling.
1523
01:09:05,342 --> 01:09:08,476
It had been one of Chicago'smost notorious slums
1524
01:09:08,478 --> 01:09:12,680
where kids facedrampant poverty andviolence on a daily basis.
1525
01:09:12,682 --> 01:09:13,848
But how does a kid process
1526
01:09:13,850 --> 01:09:15,650
these overwhelmingsocietal issues
1527
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:18,319
that are just too big to fix?
1528
01:09:18,321 --> 01:09:19,821
Have you ever like
heard of any talk
1529
01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:21,689
about any scary place
on your block,
1530
01:09:21,691 --> 01:09:23,124
a place nobody went to?
1531
01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:25,560
Every block is a scary block...
1532
01:09:25,562 --> 01:09:27,495
So much shooting
and killing out here.
1533
01:09:27,497 --> 01:09:29,197
You guys think clowns are scary?
1534
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,231
Clowns?
Yeah.
1535
01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:31,866
No.
1536
01:09:31,868 --> 01:09:32,868
Killer clowns.
1537
01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:34,169
Killer clowns.
1538
01:09:35,905 --> 01:09:39,207
We've got a real shot here,
Bernadette.
1539
01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:40,875
An entire community
starts attributing
1540
01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:44,646
the daily horrors of their lives
to a mythical figure.
1541
01:09:44,648 --> 01:09:46,848
Sometimes we create monsters.
1542
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:50,151
Sometimes we just needto put a face on our fear.
1543
01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:53,855
Aren't you going to say hello?
1544
01:09:54,823 --> 01:09:56,758
This is where there was
1545
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,529
another series of
clown sightings back in '91.
1546
01:10:01,531 --> 01:10:03,898
They called this clown sightingthe homey the clown sighting.
1547
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:05,100
Back in the early '90s,
1548
01:10:05,101 --> 01:10:07,602
there was a popular show on,in living colors.
1549
01:10:07,604 --> 01:10:09,904
Huge character on there,
homey the clown.
1550
01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,407
Now let's show them
how homey gets back at
1551
01:10:12,409 --> 01:10:13,575
Mr. establishment.
1552
01:10:15,345 --> 01:10:16,444
Sure.
1553
01:10:20,449 --> 01:10:23,451
I mean, this is only one
of many, many places
1554
01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:25,687
all over Chicago.
1555
01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,356
There was a real citywide scare.
1556
01:10:28,358 --> 01:10:30,491
The Chicago policewere being called.
1557
01:10:30,493 --> 01:10:32,760
There were reports in the news.
1558
01:10:32,762 --> 01:10:34,696
Isaiah Thompsonwas a local reporter
1559
01:10:34,698 --> 01:10:37,465
who grew up in Chicagoand wrote about the clowns
1560
01:10:37,467 --> 01:10:39,467
that seemed to be lurkingon every corner.
1561
01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:42,237
Somehow-you know,
1562
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,472
I don't know that anyoneknows how, you know,
1563
01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:47,375
this whole city,especially like this whole
1564
01:10:47,377 --> 01:10:50,211
public school network ofthousands and thousands of kids
1565
01:10:50,213 --> 01:10:51,679
all believe the same thing,
1566
01:10:51,681 --> 01:10:54,482
so it seems likethis larger force of nature
1567
01:10:54,484 --> 01:10:57,986
that sort of visited itselfupon the kids of Chicago.
1568
01:10:57,988 --> 01:11:00,355
What the kids in 1991didn't know
1569
01:11:00,357 --> 01:11:04,926
was that Chicago hadan even earlier clown scare.
1570
01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:10,898
There was another clown scare
phenomenon previously in 1981.
1571
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,435
It's been said that that one
started in Boston.
1572
01:11:14,437 --> 01:11:16,237
Uh-hm. You think '81,
you think '80s,
1573
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:19,741
you think Steven king,
you think poltergeist.
1574
01:11:19,743 --> 01:11:23,411
No, that started in '82,
poltergeist, '86 for it.
1575
01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:25,413
This was all before any of that.
1576
01:11:25,415 --> 01:11:27,160
It's easy to seehow poltergeist
1577
01:11:27,170 --> 01:11:29,517
could have helpedspread a clown scare.
1578
01:11:38,494 --> 01:11:40,261
And of course,Steven king's it...
1579
01:11:40,263 --> 01:11:43,298
Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy
and I'll kill you all.
1580
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:45,266
I'm every nightmare
you ever had.
1581
01:11:45,268 --> 01:11:48,670
I am your worst dream come true!
1582
01:11:48,672 --> 01:11:50,371
But the factthat the 1981 scare
1583
01:11:50,373 --> 01:11:53,708
preceded these cinematickiller clowns was telling.
1584
01:11:53,710 --> 01:11:56,100
This wasn't just kidswatching some movie,
1585
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,713
not when this fearwas everywhere.
1586
01:11:58,715 --> 01:12:02,784
Clowns appearin California in 1967;
1587
01:12:02,786 --> 01:12:04,385
in Newark 1980;
1588
01:12:04,387 --> 01:12:05,520
Boston; Providence;
1589
01:12:05,522 --> 01:12:08,389
Omaha; Phoenix,Arizona in 1985;
1590
01:12:08,391 --> 01:12:09,490
Chicago; Galveston,
1591
01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:10,825
Texas, 1992;
1592
01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:11,893
Washington; Maryland;
1593
01:12:11,895 --> 01:12:13,394
Scotland, 1991;
1594
01:12:13,396 --> 01:12:15,897
throughout a large portion
of Latin America
1595
01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:19,500
from Mexico to South America
in the mid-90s.
1596
01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:21,602
The question ofhow it's being spread
1597
01:12:21,604 --> 01:12:24,772
is a very interesting one
because you have an age group
1598
01:12:24,774 --> 01:12:27,942
which doesn't have
an enormous amount of contacts
1599
01:12:27,944 --> 01:12:30,511
and especiallyin a pre-Internet time.
1600
01:12:30,513 --> 01:12:33,414
Elementary schools
communicating with students
1601
01:12:33,416 --> 01:12:36,517
in other elementary schools
on the other side of town
1602
01:12:36,519 --> 02:25:13,036
is very unlikely.
1603
01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:41,890
How it's transmitted is really
one of the most intriguing,
1604
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:44,459
perhaps unsolved mysteries
about it.
1605
01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:49,531
All over the world,
1606
01:12:49,532 --> 01:12:52,533
kids were seeing killer clowns,
1607
01:12:52,535 --> 01:12:54,335
but it could have beenany monster...
1608
01:12:54,337 --> 01:12:58,806
zombies, vampires, witches,why clowns?
1609
01:12:58,808 --> 01:13:01,676
Maybe our fear pointsto an even larger issue.
1610
01:13:01,678 --> 01:13:03,778
Maybe it was the clown'sloss of innocence
1611
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:06,114
that made themthat much more scary
1612
01:13:06,116 --> 01:13:08,516
because it spoketo our own loss.
1613
01:13:08,518 --> 01:13:11,686
For those borninto a generationof stranger danger,
1614
01:13:11,688 --> 01:13:14,389
where missing kids appearedon every milk carton,
1615
01:13:14,391 --> 01:13:16,391
clowns represented a world
1616
01:13:16,393 --> 01:13:18,526
that had turnedalmost evil overnight,
1617
01:13:18,528 --> 01:13:20,795
and that's becauseit's here in Chicago
1618
01:13:20,797 --> 01:13:22,697
where the notionof killer clowns
1619
01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:24,365
became a reality.
1620
01:13:24,367 --> 01:13:25,967
Police foundthe decomposed remains
1621
01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:27,168
of three bodies.
1622
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:29,804
They suspect there are severalmore bodies buried here.
1623
01:13:29,806 --> 01:13:32,807
And the mostevil of them all was pogo,
1624
01:13:32,809 --> 01:13:36,411
the alter ego of one of themost prolific serial killers
1625
01:13:36,413 --> 01:13:40,481
in all of history,John Wayne gacy.
1626
01:13:43,385 --> 01:13:45,453
Gacy was a sadisticserial killer
1627
01:13:45,455 --> 01:13:47,388
who brutally slayed 33 young men
1628
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:52,260
between 1972 and 1978in the Chicago suburbs.
1629
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,797
Though many have portrayedgacy as an actual killer clown,
1630
01:13:55,799 --> 01:13:57,832
the truth behindhis demented persona
1631
01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,634
is not so simple.
1632
01:14:14,416 --> 01:14:16,117
How many bodiesdid you find here?
1633
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:19,530
Twenty-nine,twenty-seven under the house...
1634
01:14:19,550 --> 02:28:39,080
Uh-hm.
1635
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:21,989
In the crawlspace,
one under the driveway...
1636
01:14:21,991 --> 01:14:26,461
And one under an extension
that he put on the garage.
1637
01:14:26,463 --> 02:28:52,924
This is Bob egans,
1638
01:14:26,463 --> 01:14:29,864
a former prosecutoron the gacy case,
1639
01:14:29,866 --> 01:14:32,433
and cook county detectiveJason moran.
1640
01:14:32,435 --> 01:14:34,902
When we first sawthe pogo the clown pictures,
1641
01:14:34,904 --> 02:29:09,806
we went, oh my God,
1642
01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:38,139
is this guy acting as a clownto get victims...
1643
01:14:38,141 --> 01:14:41,542
that's what we thought,
but it wasn't that at all.
1644
01:14:41,544 --> 01:14:44,178
He was doing that because
he was the center of attention,
1645
01:14:44,180 --> 02:29:28,358
and everything he did
1646
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:47,114
was to make himself
the center of attention.
1647
01:14:47,116 --> 01:14:49,830
I still don't like clowns.
1648
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:51,819
And I'm an adult
with a gun and a badge.
1649
01:14:51,821 --> 01:14:53,754
And it might be
from being a child
1650
01:14:53,756 --> 01:14:57,725
during that time because
if you look at pogo the clown,
1651
01:14:57,727 --> 01:14:59,660
he was a very creepy clown.
1652
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:02,530
If you look at the pictures,
the make-up around his eyes
1653
01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:05,199
when he was portraying pogo,
was triangular,
1654
01:15:05,201 --> 01:15:08,736
and the make-up around his mouth
came up to points.
1655
01:15:08,738 --> 01:15:11,105
Clown experts saidclowns do not have
1656
01:15:11,107 --> 01:15:13,508
any sharp points on their faces.
1657
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:14,809
Why?
1658
01:15:14,811 --> 01:15:17,645
Because it scares kids
and it connotes evil.
1659
01:15:17,647 --> 01:15:20,114
And so do you think
gacy did this on purpose
1660
01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:21,682
to connote evil?
1661
01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:22,783
It was subconscious?
No, I don't think at all.
1662
01:15:22,785 --> 01:15:24,180
I think it was
purely coincidental.
1663
01:15:24,200 --> 02:30:48,380
He wasn't...
1664
01:15:24,200 --> 02:30:48,380
I don't think he was
thinking of that for one second.
1665
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,890
I'm telling you, that's exactlywhat we believed at the time.
1666
01:15:28,892 --> 01:15:31,526
Pogo the clown issue
was the subject
1667
01:15:31,528 --> 01:15:34,610
of a lot of conversation
during the trial prep.
1668
01:15:35,564 --> 01:15:38,666
Although gacy never didkill anyone dressed as a clown,
1669
01:15:38,668 --> 01:15:41,969
he did tell police clownscould get away with murder,
1670
01:15:41,971 --> 01:15:44,739
leading many to believehis signature clown look
1671
01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:48,976
was in fact a true reflectionof his inner evil self.
1672
01:15:52,681 --> 01:15:54,882
Ken melvoin-bergis a noted historian
1673
01:15:54,884 --> 01:15:58,619
who understandsthe dark side of a clown.
1674
01:15:58,621 --> 01:16:00,821
It doesn't matter the type
of mask that you're putting on...
1675
01:16:00,823 --> 01:16:02,560
whether it's a clown face...
1676
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:03,925
it's to hide who you are
a little bit
1677
01:16:03,927 --> 01:16:05,860
and to be somebody
a little bit different.
1678
01:16:05,862 --> 01:16:08,696
It's oftentimes the opposite
of what we portray ourselves
1679
01:16:08,698 --> 02:32:17,394
in our day-to-day lives.
1680
01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:12,800
So somebody who is
a truly evil person like gacy
1681
01:16:12,802 --> 01:16:17,138
puts it on
to sort of offset that.
1682
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,106
What happenswhen people costume
1683
01:16:19,108 --> 01:16:23,770
is that they're playing withthese internal personalities...
1684
01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:26,814
they're repressingthe normal ego...
1685
01:16:26,816 --> 01:16:29,984
and they are allowing
some internal personality
1686
01:16:29,986 --> 01:16:32,153
to become dominant.
1687
01:16:32,155 --> 01:16:34,288
And so you put on
the clown make-up
1688
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,558
and you are no longer yourself.
1689
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,963
You then become someonethat is unpredictable,
1690
01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:45,866
possibly dangerous,
possibly violent.
1691
01:16:47,235 --> 01:16:48,302
Game on, my friend.
1692
01:16:51,774 --> 01:16:54,108
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
1693
01:16:55,845 --> 02:33:51,688
Clowns have always been
1694
01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:58,790
a huge thing for ushere in Chicago
1695
01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:00,181
unlike any other American city
1696
01:17:00,183 --> 01:17:03,250
where we have clowns
and clown stories
1697
01:17:03,252 --> 01:17:05,920
and clown mythology
and clown history
1698
01:17:05,922 --> 01:17:09,230
that no other city
in the us has.
1699
01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:12,293
It started off a long time agoin the 1890s
1700
01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:14,996
when the columbian expositionbrought clowns around
1701
01:17:14,998 --> 01:17:17,365
just to entertain folks.
1702
01:17:17,367 --> 01:17:19,330
Going forward in timea little bit,
1703
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:20,935
up into the 1950s, like Bob bell
1704
01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:22,937
who was the original
bozo the clown.
1705
01:17:22,939 --> 01:17:25,840
The bozo set is still at wgnin the building,
1706
01:17:25,842 --> 01:17:27,274
and it's allegedly haunted.
1707
01:17:27,276 --> 01:17:29,644
In the late '70s is when
you had John Wayne gacy.
1708
01:17:29,646 --> 01:17:31,345
Shortly after is when
1709
01:17:31,347 --> 02:35:02,692
a clown panic happened.
1710
01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:34,915
So for people like me
who are a little bit sadistic,
1711
01:17:34,917 --> 01:17:36,884
to me it's made it
that much more interesting
1712
01:17:36,886 --> 01:17:38,352
because people
are that much more scared
1713
01:17:38,354 --> 01:17:39,987
of clowns these days.
1714
01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,390
The thing is
that all of the people
1715
01:17:42,392 --> 01:17:46,761
that were children
in the 1980s and 1990s
1716
01:17:46,763 --> 02:35:33,524
are adults now,
1717
01:17:46,763 --> 01:17:49,830
and are telling these
terrifying tales of clowns
1718
01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:51,232
to their children.
1719
01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:54,100
Speaking of the connection
to clowns in Chicago,
1720
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,370
the one site that you guys
have got to see
1721
01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:59,407
if you haven't been there before
is showmen's rest
1722
01:17:59,409 --> 01:18:04,145
which is a monument
to the circus and clowns
1723
01:18:04,147 --> 01:18:06,180
in a cemetery.
1724
01:18:06,181 --> 01:18:07,181
Buried in Chicago
1725
01:18:07,183 --> 01:18:10,284
were the clownsand other circus performers
1726
01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:12,153
who died in one of the worsttrain wrecks
1727
01:18:12,155 --> 01:18:13,721
in American history.
1728
01:18:13,723 --> 01:18:15,656
On June 22, 1918,
1729
01:18:15,658 --> 01:18:17,958
after its conductor fell asleep,
1730
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,610
a train plowedinto the idle sleeper cars
1731
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:22,863
of thehagenbeck-Wallacecircus.
1732
01:18:22,865 --> 01:18:25,320
Those who weren't killedin the initial impact
1733
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:28,669
burned to death afterthe wooden cars caught on fire.
1734
01:18:30,305 --> 01:18:32,740
In all, 86 performerswere killed.
1735
01:18:32,742 --> 01:18:35,900
With so many burnedbeyond recognition,
1736
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:36,811
they were buried in a mass grave
1737
01:18:36,813 --> 01:18:39,800
in a sectionof the Chicago cemetery
1738
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:41,716
called showmen's rest.
1739
01:18:41,718 --> 01:18:43,951
One of those who survivedwas Joe coyle,
1740
01:18:43,953 --> 01:18:45,286
a famously jovial clown
1741
01:18:45,288 --> 01:18:48,890
whose act becameperpetually sad and morose
1742
01:18:48,910 --> 01:18:50,791
as he took to dressing in rags.
1743
01:18:50,793 --> 01:18:54,428
Coyle would play a sad clownfor the rest of his life.
1744
01:18:55,864 --> 01:18:57,198
Joe coyle spoke bitterly
1745
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,733
as he lay on a stretcher
1746
01:18:58,735 --> 01:19:00,468
and told how his wifeand two babies
1747
01:19:00,470 --> 01:19:03,337
had joined him only recently
and how all three
1748
01:19:03,339 --> 01:19:05,940
had been crushed to death
at his very side.
1749
01:19:05,942 --> 01:19:09,900
"The kiddies had been so glad
to see their daddy," he said,
1750
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:11,812
"I wish I could have died
with them."
1751
01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:26,127
Here, look. See that?
1752
01:19:26,129 --> 01:19:27,129
Baldy.
1753
01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:29,130
Baldy, 1918, June 22.
1754
01:19:29,132 --> 01:19:30,831
They said they
only could name him baldy
1755
01:19:30,833 --> 01:19:33,868
because that was the only name
they knew him by
1756
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:35,803
was his stage name.
1757
01:19:35,805 --> 01:19:38,239
4 horse driver, 1918.
1758
01:19:38,241 --> 01:19:40,741
Unknown male,
unknown male.
1759
01:19:40,743 --> 01:19:44,411
Unknown male,
unknown male, unknown male.
1760
01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:45,813
All these graves are unknown.
1761
01:19:45,815 --> 01:19:47,255
All these graves
are unknown.
1762
01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:49,950
Maybe it all startedin Chicago
1763
01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:52,520
with the deaths of these clowns.
1764
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:54,421
Maybe all it takesis a little tragedy
1765
01:19:54,423 --> 01:19:57,291
to unlock the evendarker placesin our mind.
1766
01:19:59,861 --> 01:20:01,295
One thing is for certain...
1767
01:20:01,297 --> 01:20:03,998
there's no going backto the innocent clown.
1768
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,834
The scales have been tippedand the evidence proves it.
1769
01:20:06,836 --> 01:20:09,870
Clowns can do scary things.
1770
01:20:09,872 --> 01:20:12,206
They can even become killers.
1771
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,545
...314, shootingat century theaters.
1772
01:20:17,547 --> 01:20:20,214
14300, east Alameda Avenue.
1773
01:20:20,216 --> 01:20:22,349
They're saying somebodyis shooting in the auditorium.
1774
01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:24,785
We got seven down
and.
1775
01:20:24,787 --> 02:40:49,572
Seven down.
1776
01:20:24,787 --> 01:20:27,888
I've got a child victim...
I need rescue.
1777
01:20:30,792 --> 01:20:33,294
Breaking newscoming out of aurora, Colorado.
1778
01:20:33,296 --> 01:20:35,162
A sceneof a shooting this morning.
1779
01:20:35,164 --> 01:20:37,531
A movie theaterwhere "the dark knight rises"
1780
01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,866
was being shown.
1781
01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:41,202
On July 20, 2012,
1782
01:20:41,204 --> 01:20:43,370
James Holmes commitsone of the worse mass shootings
1783
01:20:43,372 --> 02:41:26,742
in recent history.
1784
01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:47,700
But if the massacre itselfweren't horrific enough,
1785
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:50,177
James's costumingwas an ominous testament
1786
01:20:50,179 --> 01:20:54,448
to the allureof a very specific clown.
1787
01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:56,884
Introduce a little anarchy,
1788
01:20:56,886 --> 01:20:59,153
upset the established order.
1789
01:20:59,155 --> 01:21:02,890
Then everything becomes chaos.
1790
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,928
I'm an agent of chaos.
1791
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:09,964
Holmes's embodimentof the joker,
1792
01:21:09,966 --> 01:21:11,565
a villainwho has come to represent
1793
01:21:11,567 --> 01:21:15,302
the ultimate destructionof our civilized world
1794
01:21:15,304 --> 01:21:17,400
is no coincidence.
1795
01:21:18,975 --> 01:21:21,976
In our never-ending attemptsto sanitize society,
1796
01:21:23,979 --> 01:21:27,848
we sometimes reap what we sow.
1797
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:28,983
In a sense,you can really look at it s as
1798
01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:31,585
a possible backlash.
1799
01:21:31,587 --> 01:21:35,550
He felt this compulsion
to water the clown down
1800
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:39,159
into this cartoonish,
harmless being,
1801
01:21:39,161 --> 01:21:42,229
and maybe underlying traitsof the archetype
1802
01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:44,398
just came back with a vengeance.
1803
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,635
Holmes's joker-fueledrampage not only signified
1804
01:21:47,637 --> 01:21:51,380
that the clown's transformationfrom innocent to evil
1805
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,410
was finally complete,but it also revealed
1806
01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:57,978
what was truly lurkinginside of us all.
1807
01:21:57,980 --> 01:22:01,315
We think of ourselves as one,
and in fact we're really
1808
01:22:01,317 --> 01:22:04,985
kind of a parliament
of personalities.
1809
01:22:04,987 --> 01:22:09,890
The killer clownis one of our personalities,
1810
01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:11,458
it's part of us.
1811
01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:14,428
And so therefore,
we have to be very careful
1812
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:20,340
not to let the killer clown out
except, in a safe way...
1813
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:21,635
except in a playful way.
1814
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,572
See, madness as you know,
1815
01:22:25,574 --> 01:22:28,976
is like gravity.
1816
01:22:28,978 --> 01:22:31,412
All it takes is a little push.
1817
01:22:37,185 --> 01:22:38,585
The babysitter killer,
1818
01:22:38,587 --> 01:22:41,655
the hook man,the Halloween sadist,
1819
01:22:41,657 --> 01:22:43,691
the killer clown...
1820
01:22:43,693 --> 01:22:45,960
what can we learnfrom these urban legends
1821
01:22:45,962 --> 01:22:49,463
and from the true crimesthat may have inspired them?
1822
01:22:49,465 --> 01:22:53,670
Maybe these monsters,despite our overwhelming desire
1823
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:56,937
to believe otherwise,just aren't real.
1824
01:22:56,939 --> 01:22:58,572
By presenting false boogeymen,
1825
01:22:58,574 --> 01:23:00,174
our urban legends are helping us
1826
01:23:00,176 --> 01:23:03,711
to make sense of crimestoo wicked to comprehend.
1827
01:23:03,713 --> 01:23:06,313
An urban legend,even though it can be scary,
1828
01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:11,510
it's not nearly as scaryas the actual murderers
1829
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:13,454
that live in the world with us.
1830
01:23:13,456 --> 01:23:16,190
But peel back thelayers of any campfire tale,
1831
01:23:16,192 --> 01:23:18,359
and you'll understandthe inherent truth
1832
01:23:18,361 --> 01:23:20,661
that despite our needto believe in an evil,
1833
01:23:20,663 --> 01:23:24,164
in a darker force,it just isn't true.
1834
01:23:24,166 --> 01:23:26,166
In the end,the only real boogeyman
1835
01:23:26,168 --> 01:23:28,402
is the one that lurksinside of us all,
1836
01:23:28,404 --> 01:23:32,506
waiting for justthe right moment to emerge.
1837
01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:35,542
So what's the lessonbehind this cautionary tale?
1838
01:23:35,544 --> 01:23:37,277
The warning here is simple...
1839
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:40,347
be afraid, not of the story,
1840
01:23:40,349 --> 01:23:42,216
but of the storyteller.
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