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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,624 --> 00:00:26,759 Every town has its legends. 2 00:00:26,761 --> 00:00:30,596 Every neighborhood has its boogeymen... 3 00:00:30,598 --> 00:00:34,990 A killer with a hook for a hand... 4 00:00:34,101 --> 00:00:37,336 A drifter who snatches children... 5 00:00:37,338 --> 00:00:40,372 The witch who lives in the woods. 6 00:00:40,374 --> 00:00:43,475 Ours growing up in staten island was cropsey, 7 00:00:43,477 --> 00:00:47,790 about an escaped mental patient who lived in these buildings 8 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:49,148 who would snatch children off the street. 9 00:00:51,751 --> 00:00:53,652 This urban legend turned real 10 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:56,789 when five neighborhood children went missing. 11 00:00:59,459 --> 00:01:02,227 It was these disappearances that led us to examine 12 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:05,230 the real crimes behind the cropsey urban legend. 13 00:01:05,232 --> 00:02:10,462 A grisly discovery 14 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:09,268 of an arm and a leg sticking out from a shallow grave. 15 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:10,702 And what we discovered was a connection 16 00:01:10,704 --> 00:01:13,739 to an institution with a shocking history. 17 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:15,307 This is what it looked like, 18 00:01:15,309 --> 00:01:18,110 but how can I tell you about the way it smelled. 19 00:01:18,112 --> 00:01:20,579 It smelled of filth, it smelled of disease, 20 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:21,847 and it smelled of death. 21 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:24,416 Understanding the real story behind cropsey 22 00:01:24,418 --> 00:01:27,486 inspired us to investigate other urban legends 23 00:01:27,488 --> 00:01:30,789 and the true crimes that may have influenced them, 24 00:01:30,791 --> 00:03:01,580 and what we uncovered 25 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:35,461 was a truth more horrific than any fiction. 26 00:02:34,921 --> 00:02:37,623 This is where we thought that cropsey lived, 27 00:02:37,625 --> 00:02:40,626 in these buildings here. 28 00:02:40,628 --> 00:02:42,728 It's very easy for an urban legend 29 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:44,496 to come out of something like this. 30 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:46,598 Yeah, and we didn't think anything of it 31 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,902 until kids started going missing on staten island, 32 00:02:49,904 --> 00:02:53,672 and then we were like, cropsey is real. 33 00:02:53,674 --> 00:02:55,274 But do you think every urban legend 34 00:02:55,276 --> 00:05:50,550 has truth behind it? 35 00:02:55,276 --> 00:02:59,244 Yes, I think you have to have some form of like truth 36 00:02:59,246 --> 00:03:00,879 to gonna go off of. 37 00:03:00,881 --> 00:03:02,447 There's a lot of other urban legends 38 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:03,615 in a lot of other communities 39 00:03:03,617 --> 00:03:05,417 that have some form of truth behind them. 40 00:03:05,419 --> 00:06:10,836 Uh-hm. 41 00:03:05,419 --> 00:03:08,353 And what's interesting is all these communities 42 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:10,455 have all these places. 43 00:03:10,457 --> 00:03:12,291 Well, every kid is lured to 44 00:03:12,293 --> 00:03:17,496 or fascinated by the old house at the end of the block. 45 00:03:17,498 --> 00:03:19,231 These are the stories that fuel your nightmares, 46 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:21,967 and these are the places that fuel your nightmares. 47 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,535 So why are you here tonight? 48 00:03:23,537 --> 00:06:47,072 You hear stories. 49 00:03:23,537 --> 00:06:47,072 We just want to see what it's about, I guess. 50 00:03:23,537 --> 00:06:47,072 What do you guys expect to find out here? 51 00:03:23,537 --> 00:03:29,641 People who died here are supposed to be the ghosts. 52 00:03:29,643 --> 00:06:59,284 You believe that there are devil worshipers 53 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:32,377 in the woods here? - Oh yeah, I do, I do. 54 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:33,879 Somebody said they were doing freaky experiments 55 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:36,415 and crap like that. 56 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:39,284 Why do we believe these urban legends? 57 00:03:39,286 --> 00:03:40,919 Maybe we need to believe 58 00:03:40,921 --> 00:03:45,457 because the reality is too much for some of us to bear. 59 00:03:45,459 --> 00:03:47,659 An old legend that actually happened this time... 60 00:03:47,661 --> 00:03:49,895 - Many more cases of contaminated treats... 61 00:03:49,897 --> 00:03:51,863 I know she suffered, a lot. 62 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:53,332 He pulled a knife 63 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:55,634 and tied me up with electrical tape. 64 00:03:55,636 --> 00:07:51,270 Oh, God. 65 00:03:55,636 --> 00:03:59,304 And so instead, we created our own monsters. 66 00:03:59,306 --> 00:04:00,806 The 36-year-old building contractor 67 00:04:00,808 --> 00:04:02,608 who reportedly dressed like a clown... 68 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:04,900 At least three young boys 69 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:05,711 buried under his house. 70 00:04:05,713 --> 00:08:11,424 And maybe that's because 71 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:10,649 the truth is more terrifying than we could ever imagine. 72 00:04:10,651 --> 00:04:12,417 - I got seven down and. 73 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:13,419 Seven down! 74 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:16,989 I've got a child victim... I need rescue. 75 00:04:18,324 --> 00:04:20,325 For Rachel and me, this is an attempt 76 00:04:20,327 --> 00:04:23,662 to uncover the source of our nightmares 77 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:27,466 as we pull back the curtains on what it is we all fear... 78 00:04:27,468 --> 00:04:30,969 because urban legends, as scary as they may be, 79 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:35,700 are really just warnings for something much more dangerous... 80 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:38,443 the reality that may have started it all. 81 00:04:46,419 --> 00:04:47,452 The hook is one of the oldest 82 00:04:47,454 --> 00:04:50,522 and also one of the scariest urban legends. 83 00:04:50,524 --> 00:04:52,791 A teenage couple are making out in their car 84 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:54,793 while parked at a lover's Lane. 85 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:56,762 As the two are about to go all the way, 86 00:04:56,764 --> 00:04:58,330 the radio interrupts them. 87 00:04:58,332 --> 00:09:56,662 ...Are killed by an LA gunman... 88 00:04:58,332 --> 00:09:56,662 A crazed maniac with a hook for a hand 89 00:04:58,332 --> 00:05:03,635 has escaped from the local insane asylum. 90 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:05,337 The frightened girl demands to go home 91 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:08,573 as the frustrated boy guns the engine. 92 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:11,643 Later, as the boyfriend goes to open his date's door, 93 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:13,712 he sees dangling from the door handle, 94 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:18,350 the maniac's bloody hook, ripped from the socket. 95 00:05:18,352 --> 00:05:19,551 The hook urban legend 96 00:05:19,553 --> 00:05:24,890 probably came to be in the mid-1950s. 97 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:26,758 One of the interesting appearances of the hook 98 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,760 was in November 1960 99 00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:31,630 when it actually appeared in the dear Abby column, 100 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:34,320 and it's something that a lot of people would have read. 101 00:05:35,535 --> 00:05:37,102 But dear Abby wasn't warning teenagers 102 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:39,905 about escaped madmen with hooks for hands. 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,674 Urban legends are more mysterious than that 104 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:44,543 and never quite so literal. 105 00:05:44,977 --> 00:05:47,846 Despite its name, the hook is a cautionary tale 106 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:54,553 warning teenagers everywhere about the dangers of sex. 107 00:05:54,555 --> 00:05:56,421 The hook urban legend captured something 108 00:05:56,423 --> 00:05:59,910 in the era that people were interested in. 109 00:05:59,930 --> 00:06:01,927 It captured a certain amount of danger being involved 110 00:06:01,929 --> 00:06:07,699 in teenage sexual behavior and in teenage car culture. 111 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:10,100 For the teenagers in texarkana, Texas, 112 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,838 this wasn't just some cautionary tale. 113 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,107 In the early spring of 1946, 114 00:06:15,109 --> 00:06:17,750 a masked man known as the phantom 115 00:06:17,770 --> 00:06:18,510 attacked four couples, 116 00:06:18,512 --> 00:06:21,120 most of whom were parked on lover's lanes. 117 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:22,514 The attacks, which killed five, 118 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:24,649 were said to coincide with the full moon, 119 00:06:24,651 --> 00:06:27,850 hence the nickname the moonlight murders. 120 00:06:27,870 --> 00:06:28,653 And although there were numerous suspects, 121 00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:30,989 the phantom was never caught, 122 00:06:30,991 --> 00:06:34,526 allowing his enduring legacy to haunt this town 123 00:06:34,528 --> 00:06:36,795 for more than six decades. 124 00:06:40,833 --> 00:06:46,471 So this is South robeson and this old highway 67. 125 00:06:46,473 --> 00:06:49,174 The murder site is somewhere around here, 126 00:06:49,176 --> 00:06:51,943 but that's what we've got to kind of figure out. 127 00:06:51,945 --> 00:06:54,413 It was a rainy Sunday morning on march 24 128 00:06:54,415 --> 00:06:57,416 when a passing motorist noticed Richard Griffin's oldsmobile 129 00:06:57,418 --> 00:07:01,186 parked on a lover's Lane off highway 67. 130 00:07:01,188 --> 00:07:03,755 Inside he found Griffin, age 29, 131 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:07,692 and Polly Ann Moore, 17, lying in the backseat. 132 00:07:07,694 --> 00:07:11,930 Both had been shot in the back of the head. 133 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:13,465 Hey, guys, how are you doing? 134 00:07:13,467 --> 00:14:26,932 What we're doing is 135 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:16,601 we're investigating the phantom killer. 136 00:07:16,603 --> 00:07:19,504 They had a lot of speculations on who did it, 137 00:07:19,506 --> 00:07:21,440 but it was never... 138 00:07:21,442 --> 00:07:23,410 no one was ever brought to justice. 139 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:24,810 Did you hear stories growing up? 140 00:07:24,812 --> 00:07:27,446 All I ever heard was don't go to spring lake park. 141 00:07:27,448 --> 00:14:54,894 Really? Uh-hm. 142 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:30,949 Why? It's kind of creepy out there, 143 00:07:30,951 --> 00:07:33,118 so we were always afraid to go there. 144 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,453 But did you still go? 145 00:07:34,455 --> 00:15:08,908 No. 146 00:07:34,455 --> 00:15:08,908 We're having a little trouble 147 00:07:34,455 --> 00:15:08,908 finding out where the area is because everything's changed. 148 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:40,559 Well, I can take you out there to the road 149 00:07:40,561 --> 00:07:43,528 and point to almost the spot. 150 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:44,696 Right about there. 151 00:07:44,698 --> 00:07:45,698 Uh-huh. 152 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:46,998 On that side? 153 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,834 On that side. 154 00:07:48,836 --> 00:07:50,535 Like the couple in the urban legend, 155 00:07:50,537 --> 00:07:51,803 Griffin and Moore had been attacked 156 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:53,572 while parked on lover's Lane, 157 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:56,675 highlighting the warning behind this campfire tale, 158 00:07:56,677 --> 00:07:58,977 but what the residents in texarkana didn't know... 159 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:01,513 because it wasn't reported in the papers... 160 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:05,750 were the horrific details behind this real-life crime. 161 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:09,688 They had found evidence of blood and a blanket... 162 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:10,690 Uh-hm. 163 00:08:10,691 --> 00:08:11,857 And they believe that she was raped 164 00:08:11,859 --> 00:08:13,258 out in front of the car 165 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:17,280 and then put back in the car. 166 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,230 The first double murder 167 00:08:18,232 --> 00:08:20,650 didn't cause a lot of excitement. 168 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:22,534 All kinds of crimes were going on in texarkana, 169 00:08:22,536 --> 00:08:26,538 but they didn't recognize until sometime later 170 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:29,740 that this is a different kind of crime. 171 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,811 The term "serial killer" wasn't in vogue then... 172 00:08:32,813 --> 00:08:36,140 And no one recognized this as a serial killing. 173 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,617 The main suspect was youell swinney 174 00:08:38,619 --> 00:08:40,852 who was an ex-convict. 175 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:42,888 Youell swinney and his newlywed bride, 176 00:08:42,890 --> 00:08:44,756 a former prostitute named Peggy, 177 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:47,726 had been arrested for stealing cars. 178 00:08:47,728 --> 00:08:49,940 Under questioning, the wife confessed 179 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,620 that her husband was the phantom, 180 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,498 but refused to sign a statement. 181 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,100 Although the case quickly fell apart, 182 00:08:55,102 --> 00:08:58,300 the judge still sent swinney away for life 183 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,839 as a habitual car thief. 184 00:09:00,841 --> 00:09:02,908 No evidence directly correlating... 185 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:05,760 No physical evidence. 186 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:07,279 They had his wife's statement, 187 00:09:07,281 --> 00:09:09,981 but they could not use that without her permission. 188 00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:12,617 There had been a lot of other suspects, hundreds. 189 00:09:12,619 --> 00:09:13,985 People had theories 190 00:09:13,987 --> 00:09:16,755 and all kinds of rumors had been bouncing around, 191 00:09:16,757 --> 00:09:20,659 but it's normal in any event, especially when there's mystery 192 00:09:20,661 --> 00:09:23,795 as there was always mystery in this one. 193 00:09:23,797 --> 00:09:27,599 Texarkana is nothing like other towns. 194 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:31,136 It seems to be wallowing in the notoriety. 195 00:09:31,138 --> 00:09:33,104 Documentary team in town 196 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:35,240 to shoot a part of texarkana history. 197 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:37,108 This week, some texarkana residents 198 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:38,977 will have the chance to appear onscreen 199 00:09:38,979 --> 00:09:41,580 in a documentary film of the phantom killer. 200 00:09:41,582 --> 00:09:43,281 So what should we make of all this? 201 00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:45,116 The conclusion is simple... 202 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:47,319 texarkana will never escape its past. 203 00:09:47,321 --> 00:09:49,870 We should give up trying. 204 00:09:55,761 --> 00:09:58,960 It was a half moon on February 22 205 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:00,131 when Jimmy Hollis, age 24, 206 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:02,200 and Mary Jeanne larey, 19, 207 00:10:02,202 --> 00:10:05,103 were attacked on a secluded lover's Lane. 208 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:08,974 Both survived after a car scared the assailant away. 209 00:10:11,877 --> 00:10:13,780 Around midnight, 210 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,980 Mary Jeanne larey and Jimmy Hollis 211 00:10:14,982 --> 00:10:16,948 were making out in the front seat of their car. 212 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:20,151 All of a sudden, a guy appears with a gun, 213 00:10:20,153 --> 00:10:22,621 wearing a mask over his head, white, 214 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:25,357 two holes cut out for eyes and mouth. 215 00:10:25,359 --> 00:10:27,580 He tells her to run. 216 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,730 He chases her down and then starts to attack her, 217 00:10:31,732 --> 00:10:34,666 basically sexually assaults her with the barrel of his gun. 218 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:37,168 She said she'd much rather have been killed like the others 219 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:40,138 than to have been left the way she was. 220 00:10:41,674 --> 00:10:43,875 While the attacks on lover's lanes in texarkana 221 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:46,111 didn't specifically involve a hook, 222 00:10:46,113 --> 00:10:48,130 the phantom's sickening crimes 223 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:52,183 created an equally horrifying metaphor. 224 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:54,419 One of the victims was actually sexually assaulted 225 00:10:54,421 --> 00:10:56,154 with the barrel of a gun, 226 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:59,724 and so we have the idea of a foreign metal object 227 00:10:59,726 --> 00:11:01,926 being used in this way which seems to be 228 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:04,963 psychologically behind the idea of the hook. 229 00:11:04,965 --> 00:11:07,732 In the hook story, we have the hook 230 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:11,302 about to penetrate the car when the boy drives away 231 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,139 and the hook is then ripped from the hand of the murderer. 232 00:11:14,141 --> 00:11:16,941 So we have the idea of penetration 233 00:11:16,943 --> 00:11:20,111 with a foreign metal object as already part of that story, 234 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:24,416 and that in fact happened in the texarkana cases. 235 00:11:24,418 --> 00:11:26,818 But the sexual assault was only part 236 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:29,854 of the phantom's trademark signature. 237 00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:30,989 These two people are the only ones 238 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:34,159 who ever saw the phantom. 239 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:35,527 Both... wearing masks. 240 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:38,296 Right, they both said the guy was wearing a mask. 241 00:11:38,298 --> 00:23:16,594 So this is the whole thing, 242 00:11:38,298 --> 00:11:41,933 where the whole white mask thing came from. 243 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:46,400 The phantom's disguise was another chilling detail 244 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,305 as it also helped to popularize 245 00:11:47,307 --> 00:11:49,974 the most widely known retelling of the murders 246 00:11:49,976 --> 00:11:55,413 in the 1976 cult classic, "the town that dreaded sundown." 247 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,982 The movie was thought to be one of the first slasher films, 248 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:00,418 having predated Halloween by two years, 249 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,120 and its take on the phantom 250 00:12:02,122 --> 00:12:06,424 would influence generations of cinematic boogeymen. 251 00:12:06,426 --> 00:12:08,426 The director, Charles b. Pierce, 252 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:10,862 blurred the lines between fact and fiction 253 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:14,733 by telling the film in full documentary style. 254 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:19,700 It was Sunday, march 3, 1946... 255 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,872 the beginning of a reign of terror 256 00:12:20,874 --> 00:12:25,110 for the people of texarkana, a terror so indelibly imprinted 257 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:29,380 that today, people still speak of it fearfully... 258 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:33,840 only the names have been changed. 259 00:12:35,387 --> 00:12:37,550 Now I think everybody in texarkana 260 00:12:37,570 --> 00:12:39,357 knows about the story of the phantom killer, 261 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:41,590 but there's a lot of intermingling 262 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:44,162 of facts and legend between the movie 263 00:12:44,164 --> 00:12:46,765 and the actual phantom killer case. 264 00:12:46,767 --> 00:12:48,199 This is Casey Roberts, 265 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:51,202 media manager at Texas a&m, texarkana. 266 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:53,238 He's done extensive research on the crimes 267 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,507 and brought us to one of the locations where 268 00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:57,909 "the town that dreaded sundown" was filmed. 269 00:12:57,911 --> 00:12:59,778 A lot the... kind of landmarks 270 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:02,247 from both the original case of the phantom killer 271 00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:03,982 and the movie the town that dreaded sundown 272 00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:05,316 have gone away over the years, 273 00:13:05,318 --> 00:13:06,885 and this particular house here 274 00:13:06,887 --> 00:13:10,221 was used in one of the big scenes. 275 00:13:10,223 --> 00:26:20,444 It was Friday, may 3, 276 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:14,559 when Virgil and Katie starks were attacked in their farmhouse 277 00:13:14,561 --> 00:13:16,795 just outside of town. 278 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:20,131 Virgil was shot and killed in his armchair... 279 00:13:22,402 --> 00:13:25,170 While Katie, shot in the face, 280 00:13:25,172 --> 00:13:26,905 ran out of the house. 281 00:13:28,774 --> 00:13:31,109 Everybody seems convinced that youell swinney is the guy, 282 00:13:31,111 --> 00:13:32,811 but you're saying... 283 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:35,446 Youell swinney would have been easy to pin it on, 284 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,849 and they needed to pin it on somebody. 285 00:13:37,851 --> 00:13:39,551 The one person that... 286 00:13:39,553 --> 00:13:42,554 I haven't been satisfied he was cleared... 287 00:13:42,556 --> 00:13:44,856 was a young man that committed suicide 288 00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:48,293 and left a note saying that he was the phantom killer. 289 00:13:48,295 --> 00:13:51,329 It's just part of the legend... the son of a prominent family, 290 00:13:51,331 --> 00:13:53,832 and it had the connections to, you know, 291 00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:56,367 cover up his dirty deed. 292 00:13:57,536 --> 00:13:59,370 Hoping to dig up more information, 293 00:13:59,372 --> 00:14:01,472 we went searching through the microfiche 294 00:14:01,474 --> 00:14:03,474 of the texarkana gazette. 295 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:06,444 Promising lead proves dud. 296 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:09,214 So this is the mention of that, youell swinney. 297 00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:10,949 The officer had been trying to validate 298 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:12,317 the story of a woman. 299 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,185 The woman's statement followed so closely 300 00:14:14,187 --> 00:28:28,372 to the known facts of the case 301 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:18,156 that they are almost positive that she was telling the truth, 302 00:14:18,158 --> 00:14:20,240 and at one point, they were almost to the point 303 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:21,826 of announcing a break in the case. 304 00:14:21,828 --> 00:14:23,428 Subsequently, however, the woman said 305 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:25,960 that neither she nor her husband 306 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:30,134 had anything to do with the slayings. 307 00:14:30,136 --> 00:29:00,270 It's interesting. 308 00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:33,171 So they don't call him the phantom at all in this, 309 00:14:33,173 --> 00:14:38,900 but we just saw, literally, 310 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:40,110 the advertisement in the newspaper 311 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:43,147 for the movie that is showing, the phantom speaks. 312 00:14:43,149 --> 00:14:46,500 This is the movie that they theoretically 313 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,452 pulled the name from, 314 00:14:47,454 --> 00:14:49,454 and right here at the newspaper, 315 00:14:49,456 --> 00:29:38,910 one of the guys said, 316 00:14:49,456 --> 00:29:38,910 'well, why don't we call him something...' 317 00:14:49,456 --> 00:14:54,893 we need to call him something, let's call him the phantom. 318 00:14:56,128 --> 00:14:58,229 We had just witnessed an important step 319 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:00,365 in the creation of any urban legend... 320 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,667 the naming of the boogeyman. 321 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,471 One of the roles that urban legends play... 322 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,940 and this is an ancient function... 323 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:12,176 is that they will put a name on something 324 00:15:12,178 --> 00:15:15,880 that gives people fears or anxieties. 325 00:15:15,882 --> 00:15:21,520 That gives the person some feeling of control. 326 00:15:21,540 --> 00:15:25,323 So give the murderer a name... he's the phantom murderer. 327 00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:29,294 The mask, the movie, the phantom. 328 00:15:29,296 --> 00:15:31,529 These were the crucial elements that would help create 329 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,599 texarkana's very own urban legend... 330 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:37,350 a legend that would only continue to grow 331 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:39,470 with screenings of "the town that dreaded sundown" 332 00:15:39,472 --> 00:15:43,641 held every year in texarkana's spring lake park. 333 00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:46,611 All of this area was part of spring lake park... 334 00:15:46,613 --> 00:15:48,212 At the time and this is where... 335 00:15:48,214 --> 00:15:50,381 a couple of the places where the murders happened. 336 00:15:50,383 --> 00:15:53,284 That was where lover's Lane was. 337 00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:55,453 You basically set up the screening 338 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,556 that you have of the town that dreaded sundown 339 00:15:58,558 --> 00:16:01,920 at spring lake park. 340 00:16:01,940 --> 00:16:03,962 Yes, we do it every October, and because of the history, 341 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:07,498 we like the idea of having this out at spring lake park 342 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,268 since that's where some of the murders take place at. 343 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:11,669 We started getting some phone calls saying 344 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,338 that they didn't think it was right, 345 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,573 that there were still families in town... 346 00:16:15,575 --> 00:16:19,377 That, you know, that were affected by this. 347 00:16:19,379 --> 00:32:38,756 The police concern was 348 00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:23,470 that it was going to cause somebody else 349 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:26,217 to have the idea to start doing it again. 350 00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:28,519 A film crew was in town last month... 351 00:16:28,521 --> 00:16:30,588 And there's a new movie being made? 352 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:33,291 What we've heard is that it was actually a remake 353 00:16:33,293 --> 00:33:06,584 of 'the town that dreaded sundowns .' 354 00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:40,310 it's you know, just probably a more modern version of it. 355 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:43,167 I've heard that the storyline of the movie 356 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:46,971 is about a copycat that comes out 357 00:16:46,973 --> 00:16:52,760 from the screenings that happened at spring lake. 358 00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:55,146 Are you serious? 359 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:57,615 That's the first I've heard about that. 360 00:16:57,617 --> 00:17:01,753 Well, you know, imitation of life, I guess. 361 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:04,880 While it may seem shocking to some, 362 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:06,124 the screenings at spring lake park 363 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:09,427 were especially appropriate because it was here on April 14 364 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:13,731 where the phantom turned larger than life. 365 00:17:13,733 --> 00:34:27,464 Four hundred yards 366 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:16,234 from the entrance to spring lake park... 367 00:17:16,236 --> 00:34:32,470 where the sign is... 368 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:20,405 they found Paul Martin's car empty. 369 00:17:20,407 --> 00:34:40,812 In yet another attack, 370 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:24,800 not only had the phantom murdered two teenagers 371 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,576 in the center of town, 372 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,478 but their deaths would incite a panic 373 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,482 that would grip texarkana and never let go. 374 00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:33,451 Betty Jo booker, age 15, 375 00:17:33,453 --> 00:17:35,453 was a saxophonist for a high school band 376 00:17:35,455 --> 00:17:37,121 called the rhythmaires 377 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:40,591 that played weekend shows at the local vfw. 378 00:17:40,593 --> 00:17:43,940 At 1:30 A.M. that Saturday night, 379 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,980 she left with a childhood friend named Paul Martin, age 16, 380 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:50,234 who was supposed to drop her off at a slumber party. 381 00:17:52,337 --> 00:17:55,306 Paul's body was found lying on its left side. 382 00:17:55,308 --> 00:35:50,614 Blood was found further down 383 00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:59,143 on the other side of the road by a fence. 384 00:18:04,516 --> 00:18:08,186 Right over here, Paul Martin's body was found. 385 00:18:08,188 --> 00:36:16,374 He had been shot twice, 386 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:13,658 and then he crawled across the street, over to here, 387 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:16,661 and then whoever did it shot him again twice. 388 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:18,463 They said he put up a struggle. 389 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,598 He had a bullet through his hand... 390 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Right. 391 00:18:21,601 --> 00:36:43,200 Raised his hand, 392 00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:26,370 probably begged not to be killed, and then... 393 00:18:26,372 --> 00:18:28,639 They found him at 6:30 in the morning. 394 00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:32,110 Betty Jo booker was nowhere around. 395 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,144 Although supposedly 396 00:18:33,146 --> 00:37:06,290 only the names had been changed 397 00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:35,746 in the town that dreaded sundown, 398 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,682 one of the most egregious fictionalizations 399 00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:40,251 had Betty Jo booker playing the trombone 400 00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:42,860 instead of the saxophone, 401 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,289 the reason being to show a more terrifying demise. 402 00:18:45,291 --> 00:37:30,580 The scene was so memorable, 403 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:50,628 some people in town actually think that's how she died. 404 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,640 The actual site 405 00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:04,909 of where Betty Jo booker's body was found, 406 00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:07,311 along the edge of a forgotten road, 407 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:09,147 had eluded many. 408 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,681 Lost in time when a section of the park 409 00:19:10,683 --> 00:19:12,350 was turned into housing, 410 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:15,586 this was one mystery we were determined to solve. 411 00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:17,922 She was found two Miles away 412 00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,124 from Martin's body. 413 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,259 The road's closed. 414 00:19:22,694 --> 00:19:26,264 Here's where we think this road continues on. 415 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,466 See that line between those two trees? 416 00:19:28,468 --> 00:19:29,667 Totally. 417 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:33,237 That's the road that's been overgrown. 418 00:19:33,239 --> 00:19:34,605 Keep that flashlight down. 419 00:19:34,607 --> 00:19:35,907 Just turn it down. 420 00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:39,912 Look at that. 421 00:19:39,913 --> 00:19:42,647 This looked exactly like the older road. 422 00:19:42,649 --> 00:19:44,448 It is the old road basically 423 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,817 that we just went through somebody's backyard to get to. 424 00:19:54,594 --> 00:19:55,560 What is it? 425 00:19:55,562 --> 00:19:56,842 It's a big spider web... 426 00:19:58,630 --> 00:20:02,967 It's halfway between the two ends. 427 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:06,737 This is Betty Jo booker, 15 years old. 428 00:20:06,739 --> 00:20:08,906 Shot twice, once to the left rib 429 00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:11,542 and once in the face, to the left cheek. 430 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,211 Well, she's fully clothed... 431 00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:15,346 Fully clothed, yeah. 432 00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,548 Her overcoat has been buttoned up, 433 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,917 and her hand was put in her pocket. 434 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:25,489 Strange. 435 00:20:25,491 --> 00:20:27,291 See that picture for a second? 436 00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:36,834 Doesn't it look like it? 437 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,669 It must. 438 00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,938 Like if you're looking at it like that, 439 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,473 add 60 years. 440 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:47,545 It could be. 441 00:20:47,782 --> 00:20:48,981 I feel bad, though. 442 00:20:48,982 --> 00:20:54,719 You know, we're never going to really know who killed her. 443 00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,696 What happened to Paul Martin and Betty Jo booker 444 00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:08,320 out on these roads over 60 years ago 445 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:09,667 was horrific enough. 446 00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:11,636 Their deaths didn't need to be rewritten 447 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:14,505 for more blood or Gore. 448 00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:17,842 Coming out here, you realize that real life is just as scary 449 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:22,380 as any horror film... and sometimes even more. 450 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,888 This is Marc bledsoe, a former probation officer 451 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:32,490 who was obsessed with the case 452 00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:33,991 and conducted his own investigation. 453 00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:37,280 I developed a passion, I guess in the '90s. 454 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:40,898 I saw the film, of course, when I was a seventh grader, 455 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,366 and I was pretty scared 456 00:21:42,368 --> 00:21:44,335 because of the way the film ends. 457 00:21:44,337 --> 00:43:28,672 It shows the boots 458 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,837 and said he could still be walking the town. 459 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,773 I wanted to know what the truth was. 460 00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:52,343 Bledsoe was one of the only people 461 00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:55,813 to interview youell swinney in recent years. 462 00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,615 Swinney, who was out of jail 463 00:21:57,617 --> 00:21:59,350 and living in a Texas nursing home, 464 00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:01,585 had suffered a stroke the year before, 465 00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:03,888 making his speech difficult to decipher. 466 00:22:11,596 --> 00:22:13,300 Fifty... sixty years? 467 00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:18,502 But she said you and her were together 468 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:19,737 at spring lake park. 469 00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:20,739 Hear that? 470 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:24,141 They drove out there together at spring lake. What did he say? 471 00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,451 No, I wasn't. 472 00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:34,952 Who do you think was the main... 473 00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:36,987 I don't know. 474 00:22:39,791 --> 00:22:41,920 You wish they'd catch him. 475 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:42,793 Hm, interesting. 476 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,508 Hi. I just wanted to check one thing. 477 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:59,377 They told me you all were videotaping? 478 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:01,445 Have you all signed the thing? 479 00:23:01,447 --> 00:23:02,480 Ugh! 480 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:05,983 I feel like there was more there. 481 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:11,922 Despite being so close, 482 00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:13,657 we still didn't have an answer as to who 483 00:23:13,659 --> 00:23:17,628 the phantom really was... and we probably never will. 484 00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:19,497 What happened to the phantom killer 485 00:23:19,499 --> 00:23:21,799 no one really knows. 486 00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,769 Some believe he was convicted of another crime, 487 00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:29,730 and today he is still serving his term in a Kansas prison. 488 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:30,808 It's these lack of answers 489 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:32,810 that allows a legend to endure 490 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,579 for the teenagers in texarkana. 491 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:36,914 So, what do you think the next chapter is 492 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:37,916 in that legend? 493 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,384 Probably more ghost stories, 494 00:23:40,386 --> 00:23:45,656 maybe more kids trying to scare other kids. 495 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:48,250 Do you think it will ever end? 496 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,270 I think eventually it will fade out, 497 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,530 but I wouldn't be able to say for how long. 498 00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:55,399 I mean, legends last for a long time. 499 00:23:55,401 --> 00:23:56,400 So this is the tree where, 500 00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:58,502 because of the movies, some people think 501 00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:02,440 Betty Jo booker was actually killed with the trombone. 502 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:05,109 I think why this is so kind of important 503 00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:09,647 is because so many people believed the fiction, 504 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,480 and the fiction became reality, 505 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:11,949 and in this town... 506 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:14,151 I really think what's interesting is... 507 00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:15,619 they can't separate the two. 508 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,521 Well, I think it's more romantic, though, 509 00:24:17,523 --> 00:48:35,044 to believe in the myth 510 00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:21,192 than to have the facts in front of you. 511 00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:22,693 You have the whole town coming out 512 00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:26,664 and watching a fictionalized version of that, 513 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,732 and that's just like little kids 514 00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:32,636 telling a fictionalized version of what really happened. 515 00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,905 That's what an urban legend is. 516 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:37,641 Where does the truth end and the fiction begin? 517 00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:40,211 At this point, no one quite knows. 518 00:24:40,213 --> 00:24:43,581 Texarkana today still looks pretty much the same, 519 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:45,783 and if you should ask people here on the streets 520 00:24:45,785 --> 00:24:49,186 what they believe happened to the phantom killer, 521 00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:51,989 most would say that he is still living here 522 00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:55,593 and is walking free. 523 00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:15,980 So right now, we're driving into Houston. 524 00:25:15,982 --> 00:25:18,249 We're going to investigate the urban legend 525 00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:20,500 of the candy man. 526 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,585 The name candy man 527 00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,854 has a lot of urban legend references. 528 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:26,924 Obviously, one of the most well-known is the film Candyman 529 00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:29,590 based on the clive barker short story 530 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,229 about an urban legend expert investigating the boogeyman 531 00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:36,867 who haunts the cabrini-green housing projects in Chicago. 532 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:39,703 With my hook for a hand, 533 00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:44,542 I'll split you from your groin to your gullet. 534 00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,112 Here the Candyman uses a hook, 535 00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,214 just like the well-known hook urban legend 536 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:52,616 where it was probably appropriated from, 537 00:25:52,618 --> 00:25:54,952 but the film's villain wasn't the first candy man. 538 00:25:54,954 --> 00:51:49,906 The original was, in fact, 539 00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:59,723 a very real monster behind one of the most horrific crimes 540 00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:01,926 anyone could ever imagine. 541 00:26:03,828 --> 00:26:06,630 We've all heard the same story about Halloween. 542 00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:09,133 Little Johnny had been warned never to go trick-or-treating 543 00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:12,836 at any house he didn't know, but he didn't listen. 544 00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:14,672 Instead, he convinces his friends 545 00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,608 to go get candy from this one weird house. 546 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:18,642 Later that night, 547 00:26:18,644 --> 00:26:20,711 as they're all digging through their loot, 548 00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:22,613 there's this scream. 549 00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:24,214 All the kids are rushed to the hospital, 550 00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:25,983 but it's too late. 551 00:26:25,985 --> 00:26:29,530 Johnny's dead from eating candy laced with poison, 552 00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:32,220 and all the other kids had their mouths ripped open 553 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,725 from swallowing razor blades and glass. 554 00:26:34,727 --> 00:26:36,827 They never did catch the person who did it. 555 00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:39,960 Turns out, Halloween really comes from 556 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:42,766 the ancient custom of druids collecting kids for sacrifices, 557 00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,636 and apparently these murders were committed by those 558 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,720 who still carry on that evil tradition. 559 00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:51,909 So does our modern-day custom of trick-or-treating 560 00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:55,846 really stem from evil druids and child sacrifices? 561 00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,315 It's highly unlikely, but there's no denying 562 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,985 that something very sinister is out there 563 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:04,989 instilling panic and inciting fear every Halloween. 564 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:06,957 There's one magical, 565 00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:11,729 haunted evening each year when all the scary creatures 566 00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,164 come out to prowl through every neighborhood. 567 00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,233 Most people enjoy having trick-or-treaters 568 00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:17,534 come to their doors, 569 00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:22,906 but there are a few people who will do things to hurt kids. 570 00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:25,175 The first documented case of tainted candy 571 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:28,780 happened on long island in 1964 572 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,147 when a housewife named Helen pfeil, 573 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,249 upset with older kids for trick-or-treating, 574 00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:35,520 handed out dog biscuits, steel wool, 575 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:36,954 and poison ant buttons. 576 00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,223 Although pfeil testified that it was just a joke, 577 00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:42,326 she was still found guilty of endangering children. 578 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,962 This fear really took root in the 1970s 579 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,830 when outlets like newsweek were reporting 580 00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:51,100 that several children had died from poison or tainted candy. 581 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,971 Some schools stopped celebrating Halloween. 582 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:56,407 They stopped using the word "Halloween", 583 00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:59,743 and they start talking about having a fall festival. 584 00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:05,249 New Jersey passed a law of specifying penalties for people 585 00:28:05,251 --> 00:28:08,218 who were caught contaminating Halloween treats. 586 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:13,323 In the 1980s, hospitals began offering X-ray treats. 587 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,259 All nextcare urgent care locations 588 00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:18,796 are offering free candy x-rays through tomorrow. 589 00:28:18,798 --> 00:56:37,594 We haven't had any instances 590 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:22,990 where we found any tampered candy, 591 00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:22,990 but you read it in the news 592 00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:25,402 and you see all of these crazy pictures online, 593 00:28:25,404 --> 00:28:27,271 and so, you know, if I were a parent, 594 00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:29,873 I would be a little bit concerned as well. 595 00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:34,678 We don't worry about ghosts and goblins anymore, 596 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,180 but we fear this maniac, 597 00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:40,284 this anonymous person who is so crazy 598 00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:47,124 that he presumably poisons little children at random. 599 00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:50,461 I think about how much fun Halloween is. 600 00:28:50,463 --> 00:28:53,970 I also worry a little bit about the things 601 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:55,899 that can spoil the fun of Halloween. 602 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,803 Those kinds of things scare me, too, but in a different way. 603 00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,730 The one case of tainted candy 604 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:05,809 that seemed to bring this nightmare to life 605 00:29:05,811 --> 00:29:09,446 happened on a rainy Halloween night in Pasadena, Texas. 606 00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,148 The perpetrator of this evil crime 607 00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:14,852 is known to some as the man who killed Halloween 608 00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:19,189 and to others as simply the candy man. 609 00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:21,959 On October 31, 1974, 610 00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,895 after trick-or-treating with their friends, the bateses, 611 00:29:24,897 --> 00:29:27,865 Ronald o'Bryan let his son Timothy, age 8, 612 00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,867 and his sister Elizabeth, 5, 613 00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:32,503 each pick out a piece of candy before bed. 614 00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:35,205 Timothy, still wearing his planet of the apes costume, 615 00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:37,700 chose a giant pixy styx, 616 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:38,776 one of five that his father had gotten 617 00:29:38,778 --> 00:29:40,778 from a neighborhood house that night. 618 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,800 Ronald had divvyed up the other styx to his daughter, 619 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:44,348 one of the bates' kids, 620 00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,170 and a local boy named Whitney Parker. 621 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:48,752 The sugar inside had clumped together, 622 00:29:48,754 --> 00:29:50,854 so Ronald rolled the styx in his hands 623 00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:53,524 before pouring the powder down his son's throat. 624 00:29:53,526 --> 00:29:56,160 Minutes later, Timothy was violently vomiting, 625 00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:58,950 and after being rushed to the hospital, 626 00:29:58,970 --> 00:30:00,300 he was pronounced dead. 627 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,533 The cause... cyanide poisoning. 628 00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:06,360 I was off duty at the time on Halloween night 629 00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:09,840 when I received a call from one of my detectives. 630 00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:11,775 I drove to southmore hospital, 631 00:30:11,777 --> 00:30:14,144 and what I saw was very, very disturbing... 632 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:17,414 not only because there was a child there that was dead 633 00:30:17,416 --> 00:30:20,884 that had cyanide foam coming out of his mouth, 634 00:30:20,886 --> 00:30:25,880 but it was a small, blond-headed young boy, 635 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:26,290 and I looked at this child... 636 00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:30,600 and I had at the time a small, blond-headed, 637 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,363 eight-year-old son lying in a bed in my home... 638 00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:38,468 and it absolutely just almost destroyed you 639 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,380 to see something like that. 640 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,372 Had you ever heard of the idea of 641 00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,808 candy tampering before that? 642 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:45,809 I had heard about it... 643 00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:47,411 I had never seen it personally, 644 00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:51,849 but you know, you're always concerned on Halloween, 645 00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:56,190 and the next night we had a grieving father, 646 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:59,356 a grieving mother, and a grieving little sister. 647 00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:01,992 I put my arm around Mr. o'Bryan's shoulder 648 00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:06,290 and I promised him, "I promise you we will catch 649 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:08,866 this individual that did this to your son." 650 00:31:10,340 --> 00:31:12,169 Timothy's death was a terrible blow, 651 00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:15,339 not just for the family, but for many in Pasadena. 652 00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:17,407 As crowds of o'Bryan's fellow churchgoers 653 00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:19,176 flooded the cemetery, 654 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:22,246 Timothy's father quickly reduced the mourners to tears 655 00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:26,850 as he sang a hymn for the boy who was now in heaven. 656 00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,319 I introduced myself to Mr. o'Bryan 657 00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:32,222 and said I'm a reporter for the Houston chronicle. 658 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,158 Is Mrs. o'Bryan available to talk? 659 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,950 He said, you know, she's really, as we all are, 660 00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:41,980 just torn up about this, but if you want to talk, 661 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,301 come on in, and I'll try to talk to you. 662 00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:47,271 And he said, you know, I held my son in my arms 663 00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:51,341 while he died, and I cried. 664 00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,977 I thought that they had been victimized 665 00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:57,881 by a random crazy man, lunatic. 666 00:31:57,883 --> 00:32:01,652 The original suspects were people in Pasadena 667 00:32:01,654 --> 00:32:04,655 who were living inhabitants of the homes 668 00:32:04,657 --> 00:32:07,524 where they did the trick-or-treat. 669 00:32:07,526 --> 00:32:09,493 4108, 4106, 670 00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:12,229 -102. 671 00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:14,264 Right here. 672 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:15,666 4102. 673 00:32:15,668 --> 00:32:17,901 So right here is the bates' house 674 00:32:17,903 --> 00:32:21,571 from where o'Bryan and the bateses 675 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,407 both went trick-or-treating. 676 00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:24,608 After the funeral, 677 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:27,144 the police took o'Bryan around the bates' neighborhood, 678 00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:28,378 but he couldn't remember the house 679 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:30,314 where he had gotten the pixy styk. 680 00:32:30,316 --> 00:32:34,170 Finally, he ID'd a neighbor named Courtney Melvin. 681 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:37,454 Ten, right here where this blue car is. 682 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:39,923 This is Courtney Melvin's place, 683 00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:43,260 so basically Courtney was out on his lawn. 684 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,495 O'Bryan was driving by, fingered this guy 685 00:32:45,497 --> 00:32:48,498 as being the person where he got the pixy styx. 686 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,933 The only problem being 687 00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:52,536 Courtney Melvin had an airtight alibi. 688 00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:57,700 As the killer continued to elude police, 689 00:32:57,900 --> 01:05:55,600 the nature of his crime 690 00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,278 only seemed to confirm everyone's worst fears... 691 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,447 a fear that still resonates today. 692 00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:05,415 Do you know about the crime that happened? 693 00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,318 Oh, yes, you're talking about the candy man. 694 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,320 Yeah. 695 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,540 Uh-hm. It was the first time 696 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,900 that I heard of people doing that... 697 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,726 And then I heard of them putting more cyanide 698 00:33:15,728 --> 00:33:17,394 and razor blades. 699 00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:19,620 I've heard fish hooks. 700 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,498 The way society is getting right now, I mean, 701 00:33:21,500 --> 01:06:42,998 you don't ever know what's going to happen. 702 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:26,436 I'm like, nope, no candy until I look, you know, through it. 703 00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,437 What are you looking for? 704 00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,239 You know, an open wrapper, 705 00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:31,575 just seeing if anything has a hole in it. 706 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:32,676 You don't trust nobody. 707 00:33:32,678 --> 00:33:34,578 - Yeah. - Can't. 708 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,179 I actually heard about some guy doing it 709 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:37,447 in this neighborhood one time, but... 710 00:33:37,449 --> 01:07:14,896 What's that story. 711 00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:41,318 I think he actually lived over there by the ditch. 712 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,354 And they do all sacrifice crap over there during Halloween. 713 00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:46,423 Do you think there are satanists around? 714 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,591 There probably is. 715 00:33:47,593 --> 00:33:49,192 I mean, knowing this neighborhood... 716 00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:50,560 there are sickos around here. 717 00:33:50,562 --> 01:07:41,122 Tonight is Halloween 718 00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:54,464 and children will be out to trick-or-treat. 719 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,767 We hope that the treats will be many 720 00:33:56,769 --> 00:33:58,335 and the tricks ingenious. 721 00:33:58,337 --> 00:34:00,137 But sometimes people give children 722 00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:02,339 bad things on Halloween. 723 00:34:02,341 --> 01:08:04,680 In shreveport, Louisiana, 724 00:34:02,341 --> 00:34:06,309 an old legend that actually happened this time. 725 00:34:06,311 --> 01:08:12,620 Halloween is on Sunday, 726 00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,312 and there is a spreading fear that this year, 727 00:34:09,314 --> 01:08:18,626 the real Halloween scare 728 00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:14,510 will be many more cases of contaminated treats. 729 00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:17,654 The term that gets used is "Halloween sadist". 730 00:34:17,656 --> 00:34:20,900 People assume that the Halloween sadist 731 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,940 was some crazy person who, for some reason... 732 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,650 presumably you know, some psychological problem... 733 00:34:28,670 --> 00:34:32,135 gets pleasure or satisfaction from hurting little kids. 734 00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:34,639 Many people believe 735 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,675 the Halloween sadist was behind Timothy's death, 736 00:34:38,677 --> 00:34:41,780 but the real culprit was more horrific 737 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,813 than anyone had ever imagined. 738 00:34:46,317 --> 00:34:49,252 It's down here, I think, on the left. 739 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,823 All right, so gray, how do you want to do this? 740 00:34:52,825 --> 00:34:54,324 I'll just, I'll hang back here. 741 00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:56,193 Okay. So we're going to go up. 742 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:57,594 I'm not totally into this. 743 00:34:57,596 --> 01:09:55,190 I can understand. 744 00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,664 I can understand why you'd want to do this... 745 00:35:00,666 --> 01:10:01,330 Yeah. 746 00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:03,500 It just makes me feel a little uncomfortable. 747 00:35:03,502 --> 01:10:07,002 Knocking on someone's house 748 00:35:03,502 --> 00:35:07,337 and telling them what tragedy happened here. 749 00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:08,940 Well, you wouldn't want to know? 750 00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:15,679 Oh, hey, how are you? 751 00:35:15,681 --> 01:10:31,360 Hi, how are you? 752 00:35:15,681 --> 00:35:19,216 Hey, sorry to bother you. We wanted to talk to you. 753 00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,318 We're doing a documentary and wanted to talk to you 754 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,353 about the family that lived here before. 755 00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,355 Do you know him? 756 00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:25,422 Do you know Ronald Clark o'Bryan? 757 00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:26,424 Uh-uh. 758 00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:28,492 No, you have no idea about him? 759 00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:32,496 Nah, don't worry about it. 760 00:35:33,431 --> 01:11:06,861 Thanks very much. 761 00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:37,334 You want to know? Do you really want to know? 762 00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:38,668 Do you really want to know? 763 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,470 So the guy who lived in here 764 00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,739 was a guy named Ronald Clark o'Bryan. 765 00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:44,641 He gave his son a poison pixy styk. 766 00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:48,145 Yeah. He killed... 767 00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,148 That's right. 768 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:54,818 On Halloween night, 769 00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:57,754 eight-year-old Timothy o'Bryan of Pasadena, Texas, 770 00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,490 died after eating a piece of trick-or-treat candy 771 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,159 that contained cyanide. 772 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,761 Today Pasadena police arrested the boy's father, 773 00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:07,330 30-year-old Ronald o'Bryan, on murder charges. 774 00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:09,132 Police refused to discuss the case 775 00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:10,901 other than to say the district attorney believes 776 00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:14,337 he has sufficient evidence to file charges. 777 00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,142 After receiving a call from an insurance agent, 778 00:36:19,144 --> 00:36:21,745 police discovered o'Bryan had taken out a large policy 779 00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:25,382 on his kids but not himself nor his wife. 780 00:36:25,384 --> 01:12:50,766 Even more damning, 781 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:29,386 he had talked to numerous people about death by cyanide 782 00:36:29,388 --> 00:36:31,288 and had even tried to buy the chemical 783 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:32,689 from local companies. 784 00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:36,693 All evidence pointed to Timothy's father 785 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,629 as the killer which, as horrific as it sounds, 786 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,364 makes some sense, 787 00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:44,401 and that's because the Halloween sadist is a myth, 788 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,902 and the notion of candy tampering 789 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,739 is really an urban legend. 790 00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:52,475 The idea that this is a big social problem is a myth. 791 00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:54,744 I can't tell you nobody has ever contaminated 792 00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:56,346 a piece of candy, 793 00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,952 but I can't find any evidence that anybody has ever been hurt, 794 00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:05,488 seriously hurt or killed, from a contaminated treat 795 00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:07,390 picked up in the course of trick-or-treating. 796 00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:08,391 If there's no such thing 797 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,626 as the Halloween sadist, 798 00:37:09,628 --> 00:37:12,562 who is, in fact, doing that? 799 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,331 Probably the kids. 800 00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,198 If you think about it, 801 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,567 this is a terrific kind of prank. 802 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,903 It's easy enough to come by a pin, 803 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,405 easy enough to stick it in the candy bar, 804 00:37:22,407 --> 00:37:24,908 and then run in and say, look mom, 805 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:26,810 there's a pin in my candy bar... 806 00:37:26,812 --> 00:37:29,779 and you become the object of the concerned attention 807 00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,983 of your parents and possibly even the press 808 00:37:32,985 --> 00:37:34,384 and the police. 809 00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:38,355 While the fear of tainted candy may be hysteria, 810 00:37:38,357 --> 00:37:40,557 Timothy's death was real... 811 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,292 but was it really conceivable 812 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:43,994 that a father could kill his own child... 813 00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:49,366 and if so, what kind of monster was Ronald Clark o'Bryan? 814 00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:52,636 Look at that lying son of a bitch. 815 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,438 I thought just like Mr. o'Bryan wanted us to think... 816 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,873 that there was some maniac out there 817 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:01,511 randomly giving these poison pixy styx to little kids. 818 00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:03,313 That's exactly what he wanted us to think, 819 00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:04,681 and that's what we thought. 820 00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:10,520 It's hard to accept that a human being 821 00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:11,855 was willing to do that, 822 00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:16,559 and it's still difficult for all of us. 823 00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:21,798 The people in this case were forever affected by what he did 824 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,734 and by that, I mean the bates kids... 825 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,704 he was going to kill his friends own two kids... 826 00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:30,407 and little Whitney Parker, 827 00:38:30,409 --> 01:17:00,816 and he would have killed his daughter 828 00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:34,544 if the ambulance and police hadn't gotten there so fast. 829 00:38:34,546 --> 00:38:38,140 No good prosecutor wants to go to trial at all on anything 830 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,916 unless they believe in their own heart 831 00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:43,530 that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, 832 00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:45,655 and seeking the death penalty is just an extra dimension 833 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:49,592 of care and consideration that should be given. 834 00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:50,727 You wanted to keep the case. 835 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:52,620 I sure did. Why? 836 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,496 I wanted to hopefully have a hand 837 00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:55,398 in seeing that justice was done 838 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,467 and that he would die for what he did. 839 00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:01,304 It took a jury only 45 minutes 840 00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:03,390 to find o'Bryan guilty 841 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:06,343 and another 75 to sentence him to death. 842 00:39:06,345 --> 01:18:12,688 In a fitting irony, 843 00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:13,883 he was scheduled to die on October 31, 1976, Halloween. 844 00:39:13,885 --> 00:39:15,985 I have stated from the very beginning 845 00:39:15,987 --> 00:39:19,556 that I had absolutely nothing at all to do with this. 846 00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:21,391 I maintain that now, 847 00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:23,660 and I'll willing to take a polygraph now, 848 00:39:23,662 --> 00:39:25,795 just like I was from the very first time 849 00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:26,930 that they arrested me. 850 00:39:26,932 --> 01:18:53,862 Because I have no guilt, 851 00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:31,401 I'm not worried about what happens to my physical body. 852 00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:34,437 When I die, I know where I'm going. 853 00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:37,507 You're going straight to hell, buddy. 854 00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,420 All these appeals have been turned down 855 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,845 appeal after appeal, and everybody is saying 856 00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:43,346 you will be executed this Saturday. 857 00:39:43,348 --> 00:39:45,815 This could be your last news conference. 858 00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,884 What are your final thoughts? 859 00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:48,885 As long as I have 860 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:51,855 verifiable options open to me, 861 00:39:51,857 --> 00:39:53,560 I will pursue them. 862 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:56,590 Are you ever going to change 863 00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:58,561 your proclamation of innocence or... 864 00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:01,970 No, why should I? It's the truth. 865 00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:02,766 When you consider victims, 866 00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:06,403 the victim of this crime actually turns out to be me. 867 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:08,710 O'Bryan had been sent 868 00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:11,674 to Texas's infamous huntsville prison 869 00:40:11,676 --> 01:20:23,350 which to this day, 870 00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:15,812 houses the most active death chamber in the us, 871 00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:17,514 but this was 1982, 872 00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:19,783 and after a lengthy debate in the supreme court 873 00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:21,684 and numerous stays of execution, 874 00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:24,154 o'Bryan was to be one of the very first inmates 875 00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:27,791 to be executed with the reinstituted death penalty. 876 00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:29,492 Yet, despite his crime, 877 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:32,395 o'Bryan still managed to find his supporters. 878 00:40:32,397 --> 01:21:04,792 There were people 879 00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:38,670 who were in favor of saving Ronald Clark o'Bryan 880 00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:40,103 in spite of the overwhelming evidence 881 00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,671 and the horror of the crime. 882 00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:43,390 Their position was 883 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:46,810 we are categorically opposed to the death penalty. 884 00:40:46,812 --> 00:40:49,450 There also were counter-protestors 885 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:51,548 who were in favor of the death penalty. 886 00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:53,516 They included a lot of students 887 00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:55,685 from the university located here 888 00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:58,154 including many who complained 889 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,590 about what had happened to Halloween. 890 00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:09,199 This is Ronald Clark o'Bryan. 891 00:41:09,201 --> 00:41:11,601 Mr. o'Bryan is 39 years old. 892 00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:14,700 It looks like you are going to be executed. 893 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,538 Would you agree with that? 894 00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:16,973 It's a possibility. 895 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,675 I've been aware of that possibility 896 00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,100 since the sentence was handed down. 897 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,879 It doesn't make it right. 898 00:41:22,881 --> 01:22:45,760 It's fair to say 899 00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:26,549 that nobody gets any joy out of executing anybody, 900 00:41:26,551 --> 00:41:28,885 but it is also clear that most Americans 901 00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:31,154 want to get on with this. 902 00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:33,723 They are upset that you're alive. 903 00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:36,559 I-I can see that point, sure, but here again, 904 00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:38,228 I don't think that revenge is right. 905 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,530 I don't think society is entitled to revenge. 906 00:41:40,532 --> 00:41:44,000 You are accused of ruining Halloween for everybody. 907 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,236 Well, that's a matter of opinion. 908 00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:51,241 March 31, 1984, 909 00:41:51,243 --> 00:41:54,744 the day of o'Bryan's execution had finally arrived. 910 00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,914 He was to be executed just after midnight. 911 00:41:57,916 --> 00:42:00,583 As the hour approached, the frenzy outside 912 00:42:00,585 --> 00:42:02,886 reached a fever pitch. 913 00:42:02,888 --> 00:42:04,954 Demonstrators were outside the prison 914 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,857 waiting for the announcement they wanted to hear. 915 00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,994 Parents of other murdered children joined the vigil. 916 00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,196 You know, how could anyone do something to their own child? 917 00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:14,197 Dying together. 918 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,598 What all of us would give 919 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800 to have the chance to have ours back. 920 00:42:20,504 --> 00:42:22,972 Do you think Halloween will ever be the same again? 921 00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:27,110 Oh, I don't think Halloween has changed a great deal, 922 00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,147 except maybe gotten a little safer. 923 00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:35,840 At exactly 12:40 A.M. 924 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:38,221 O'Bryan was injected with a lethal cocktail of drugs, 925 00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:39,789 twice the normal amount, 926 00:42:39,791 --> 00:42:42,659 to account for his 250-pound weight. 927 00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:44,227 After o'Bryan's eyes fluttered, 928 00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:47,196 his chest heaved, and it was over. 929 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:50,166 Ronald o'Bryan, 930 00:42:50,168 --> 00:42:52,635 the man fellow inmates called the candy man, 931 00:42:52,637 --> 00:42:54,871 was killed by lethal injection this morning 932 00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:56,673 at a huntsville, Texas, prison. 933 00:42:56,675 --> 00:42:58,841 Ronald o'Bryan went to his deathbed 934 00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,978 never admitting that he killed his own son. 935 00:43:01,980 --> 01:26:03,958 But in a final statement, 936 00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:06,783 the condemned man did ask to be forgiven. 937 00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:09,819 Also to anyone I have offended in any way 938 00:43:09,821 --> 00:43:12,956 during my 39 years. 939 00:43:12,958 --> 00:43:15,240 I pray and ask your forgiveness, 940 00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:18,227 just as I forgive anyone who offended me in any way. 941 00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:20,296 Ronald o'Bryan is dead. 942 00:43:20,298 --> 00:43:24,670 His ex-wife sees the execution as the end of a nightmare, 943 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:27,103 and a chance for a brand new beginning. 944 00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:31,240 For many the idea that we were killing the man 945 00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:34,577 who killed Halloween seemed justified. 946 00:43:34,579 --> 00:43:38,648 O'Bryan had to die so we could have our fun back. 947 00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,984 People were celebrating it, there's no question about it, 948 00:43:40,986 --> 00:43:44,120 but it was kind of a catharsis, really, 949 00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,923 and people welcomed the event. 950 00:43:46,925 --> 00:43:51,661 He really had not just desecrated the family tie, 951 00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:54,197 but he had actually in some fundamental way 952 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,834 desecrated the idea of Halloween 953 00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:04,641 by taking a scary story and literally making it true. 954 00:44:04,643 --> 01:28:09,284 What he did is 955 00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:08,144 he used the urban legend as a smokescreen. 956 00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:10,980 He used it as an alibi. 957 00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:12,281 I couldn't have done it 958 00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:14,384 because this is the sort of thing 959 00:44:14,386 --> 00:44:17,220 that an anonymous creepy killer would do, 960 00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:20,356 and we all know that because of urban legends. 961 00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:21,524 In the ultimate irony, 962 00:44:21,526 --> 00:44:25,280 o'Bryan's decision to enact the tainted candy myth 963 00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:28,310 turned fiction into reality, 964 00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:31,834 allowing the candy man to continue haunting Halloween 965 00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:33,736 for generations to come. 966 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,709 Look, it's right there. 967 00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,847 Mr. o'Bryan, your case 968 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:49,786 has probably created terror in the hearts of parents. 969 00:44:49,788 --> 00:44:52,221 In fact, I'm told that the inmates 970 00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:55,825 occasionally refer to you as the candy man, is that so? 971 00:45:02,433 --> 00:45:04,233 A babysitter is watching TV 972 00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,835 after putting the kids to bed 973 00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:08,237 when she gets a call from a mysterious stranger. 974 00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:12,775 Hello. 975 00:45:12,777 --> 00:45:14,811 Have you checked the children? 976 00:45:14,813 --> 01:30:29,624 What? 977 00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:17,980 Thinking it's a prank, she hangs up. 978 00:45:17,982 --> 01:30:35,962 A few minutes later, 979 00:45:17,982 --> 00:45:20,917 the same mysterious man calls again. 980 00:45:20,919 --> 00:45:21,951 Hello? 981 00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:24,120 Have you checked the children? 982 00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:25,755 Only now the question ends 983 00:45:25,757 --> 00:45:27,356 with a devilish laugh. 984 00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:29,392 The babysitter reports the call. 985 00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,600 Hello, could you get me the police. 986 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:33,863 I've been getting weird phone calls. 987 00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:35,932 After a few minutes, a hurried voice calls back. 988 00:45:37,769 --> 01:31:15,536 Leave me alone! 989 00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:40,403 Jill, this is sergeant sachar. 990 00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:42,338 Listen to me. We've traced the call. 991 00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:44,307 The caller is in the house. 992 00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:46,876 The calls are coming from the house. 993 00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:48,945 It's coming from inside the house. 994 00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:51,280 Just at that moment, the babysitter looks over 995 00:45:51,282 --> 00:45:53,850 as a man is coming down the stairs. 996 00:45:59,156 --> 00:46:02,580 Well, that really happened to a girl in my hometown. 997 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,861 Oh, yes. I'm sure it did. 998 00:46:04,863 --> 00:46:07,730 I'm sure most of you grew up 999 00:46:07,732 --> 00:46:11,134 thinking that this happened to girls in all your hometowns, 1000 00:46:11,136 --> 00:46:13,669 but it didn't. 1001 00:46:14,738 --> 00:46:17,206 Yes, the babysitter and the man upstairs 1002 00:46:17,208 --> 00:46:19,800 is a popular urban legend, 1003 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,444 but is there any truth behind it? 1004 00:46:21,446 --> 00:46:24,280 One would think so considering all these examples, 1005 00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:26,349 but when dealing with urban legends, 1006 00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:28,985 the truth is never quite what it seems. 1007 00:46:32,352 --> 00:46:34,391 When I think babysitter, 1008 00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:37,493 I think about me babysitting as a teenager 1009 00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,929 and how fearful I was. 1010 00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:42,498 You know, being in a strange house, 1011 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,968 hearing strange sounds, not being familiar, 1012 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:47,203 but what was interesting 1013 00:46:47,205 --> 00:46:49,405 is that I started researching babysitters, 1014 00:46:49,407 --> 00:46:51,374 thinking that I wouldn't have a hard time 1015 00:46:51,376 --> 00:46:53,420 finding a case of a babysitter 1016 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,546 by following some kind of death or kidnapping, 1017 00:46:56,548 --> 00:47:00,116 the children upstairs being killed or whatever. 1018 00:47:00,118 --> 00:47:02,885 It's very difficult to find any true crimes 1019 00:47:02,887 --> 00:47:04,287 to connect this urban legend line. 1020 00:47:04,289 --> 01:34:08,576 One thing that's interesting 1021 00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:09,158 about babysitting is that it doesn't increase your danger 1022 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,993 of being attacked at all. 1023 00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:13,396 It would be a completely random event 1024 00:47:13,398 --> 00:47:17,867 for a babysitter to be attacked during a house burglary, 1025 00:47:17,869 --> 00:47:21,270 but it induces anxiety because suddenly 1026 00:47:21,272 --> 00:47:23,840 they're responsible for these other people's kids, 1027 00:47:23,842 --> 00:47:25,441 and it has nothing to do with your potential 1028 00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:27,900 for becoming a crime victim... 1029 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:29,545 but it may be getting it expressed in stories 1030 00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:31,914 in which the babysitter becomes the crime victim. 1031 00:47:31,916 --> 00:47:33,549 You would think with the amount of babysitters 1032 00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:35,418 getting killed in popular culture now, 1033 00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:37,954 like, we would have just like gotten a case immediately. 1034 00:47:37,956 --> 00:47:39,555 Oh, it took me to going back to the '50s 1035 00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:41,424 to actually find one. 1036 00:47:41,426 --> 00:47:44,260 We found this case of janett christman 1037 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,496 here in Columbia, Missouri, which is why we're here. 1038 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,407 My name is Carol Haley holt, 1039 00:47:58,409 --> 00:48:03,790 and I was a very good friend of janett christman 1040 00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:08,117 from first grade through the time of her death. 1041 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:14,230 It was march 18, 1950. 1042 00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:18,294 Janett was babysitting for the romack family 1043 00:48:18,296 --> 00:48:20,897 out kind of in the west edge of Columbia... 1044 00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:23,599 it really wasn't in the city limits. 1045 00:48:23,601 --> 00:48:26,502 It was kind of an eerie night. 1046 00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:30,907 I also was babysitting, and I just felt uneasy, 1047 00:48:30,909 --> 00:48:32,375 and that was unusual for me 1048 00:48:32,377 --> 00:48:34,577 because I did quite a bit of babysitting... 1049 00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:39,148 but I just felt that something was going on about 12 o'clock, 1050 00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:41,217 and I even got up to check the door 1051 00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:42,318 and make sure it was locked, 1052 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,552 went in to check the little boy... 1053 00:48:43,554 --> 00:48:45,554 he was fine. 1054 00:48:45,556 --> 00:48:48,958 And then the next morning, the phone rang. 1055 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,160 My mother went in to answer 1056 00:48:51,162 --> 00:48:53,290 and told me that janett had been killed 1057 00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:54,397 while she was babysitting. 1058 00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:55,598 I had heard that 1059 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,368 there had been a phone call to the police. 1060 00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,380 Well, Mrs. romack tried to call 1061 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,208 to check on janett with the thunder, 1062 00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:08,945 and she was afraid the little boy might wake up... 1063 00:49:08,947 --> 00:49:12,214 and she tried to call and received a busy signal. 1064 00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,318 What the romack family didn't know 1065 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,190 is that janett had called the police 1066 00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:18,454 while she was being attacked, 1067 00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:22,910 but the only thing they heard were desperate screams. 1068 00:49:22,930 --> 00:49:23,426 Unable to trace the call, 1069 00:49:23,428 --> 00:49:25,928 the police were helpless to stop her murder. 1070 00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:33,469 Janett had skin under her fingernails. 1071 00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:40,409 She had many abrasions on her body, 1072 00:49:40,411 --> 00:49:43,120 but the final thing was 1073 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:47,830 that she was strangled with an ironing cord. 1074 00:49:49,186 --> 00:49:54,230 I know she suffered a lot before she finally succumbed. 1075 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,426 Janett christman's death 1076 00:49:57,428 --> 00:50:00,162 shocked the small town of Columbia, Missouri, 1077 00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,231 but despite being one of the most publicized crimes 1078 00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:03,733 in the past 60 years, 1079 00:50:03,735 --> 00:50:06,535 her murder has never been solved. 1080 00:50:06,537 --> 00:50:09,739 So right now, we're looking for ed romack's house 1081 00:50:09,741 --> 00:50:11,974 where janett christman was murdered 1082 00:50:11,976 --> 00:50:14,243 while she was babysitting. 1083 00:50:14,245 --> 00:50:16,645 1015 should be somewhere along here. 1084 00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:18,447 So then it must be that one. 1085 00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:20,449 That house right there? Right there, right there. 1086 00:50:22,252 --> 00:50:23,986 Quick question for you, 1087 00:50:23,988 --> 00:50:26,455 is this where ed romack used to live? 1088 00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:27,523 Is that this house? 1089 00:50:27,525 --> 01:40:55,048 Maybe. 1090 00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:30,159 But you don't know anything about it. 1091 00:50:34,164 --> 00:50:35,564 Uh-hm. 1092 00:50:35,566 --> 00:50:38,734 About two years ago, this car pulled up 1093 00:50:38,736 --> 00:50:42,738 and they were out there talking and pointing here at this house, 1094 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,241 and they said we're trying to figure out 1095 00:50:45,243 --> 00:50:49,512 which house where a girl was babysitting a little baby, 1096 00:50:49,514 --> 00:50:51,514 and she got murdered and raped. 1097 00:50:51,516 --> 01:41:43,030 Uh-hm. 1098 00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:53,616 And I said, no, it's not this house, 1099 00:50:53,618 --> 00:50:54,717 it's that one. 1100 00:50:54,719 --> 01:41:49,436 Uh-hm. 1101 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,421 It was a man talking to me. He said, "I was the baby." 1102 00:50:58,423 --> 00:50:59,588 No! 1103 00:50:59,590 --> 01:41:59,178 Wow! 1104 00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:03,225 And a different woman that lived across west boulevard, 1105 00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:05,594 and she had been raped and murdered 1106 00:51:05,596 --> 00:51:08,597 sometime within close to that time. 1107 00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,320 Jenkins is it? Yes. 1108 00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:11,167 Jenkins, right. 1109 00:51:11,169 --> 00:51:13,202 We went to... I went to the trial. Yeah. 1110 00:51:13,204 --> 00:51:15,337 Marylou Jenkins was the other reason 1111 00:51:15,339 --> 00:51:17,206 we were in Columbia. 1112 00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:21,310 On February 6, 1946, marylou, age 20, 1113 00:51:21,312 --> 00:51:22,611 was home alone while her mother was out 1114 00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,314 caring for an elderly neighbor. 1115 00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:27,716 The next morning she came home to find marylou dead. 1116 00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,352 Much like janett christman's murder four years later, 1117 00:51:30,354 --> 00:51:31,787 marylou had been raped and strangled 1118 00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:33,589 with an electrical cord. 1119 00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:37,626 A mentally-challenged man named Floyd Cochran 1120 00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:39,728 who had been arrested for killing his wife 1121 00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:42,798 was charged with the murder and quickly executed. 1122 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,670 Do you think Floyd was innocent? 1123 00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:47,203 I think he was likely innocent 1124 00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,672 of killing marylou Jenkins, yes. 1125 00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:54,110 He did kill his wife in likely a domestic dispute, 1126 00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:56,745 but just from reading the trial transcripts, 1127 00:51:56,747 --> 00:51:58,781 it just didn't seem like he had the wherewithal 1128 00:51:58,783 --> 00:52:02,840 to kill and rape a young woman. 1129 00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:04,286 Mary Beth brown is a researcher 1130 00:52:04,288 --> 00:52:07,890 who helped shed new light on these old cold cases. 1131 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:08,757 She believes the eerie similarities 1132 00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:11,327 between the Jenkins murder and the christman murder 1133 00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:14,763 four years later only proves Cochran's innocence. 1134 00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:17,666 They were both young woman, they were home by themselves, 1135 00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:20,302 they were both found with electrical cords 1136 00:52:20,304 --> 01:44:40,606 wrapped around their neck, 1137 00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:25,841 but cords that weren't attached or torn from the appliance... 1138 00:52:25,843 --> 01:44:51,684 they were actually cut. 1139 00:52:25,843 --> 00:52:30,346 The whole location thing is the one that really gets me. 1140 00:52:30,348 --> 00:52:31,614 Like how close was it? 1141 00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:33,182 Within two blocks. 1142 00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:35,317 Do you think that the same person 1143 00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:40,356 who killed marylou Jenkins also killed janett christman? 1144 00:52:40,358 --> 00:52:43,893 That's my personal opinion, but yeah. 1145 00:52:43,895 --> 00:52:45,494 And who do you think did it? 1146 00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:46,896 I've been told several people, 1147 00:52:46,898 --> 00:52:50,466 but more than any other name was Robert Mueller. 1148 00:52:50,468 --> 01:45:40,934 Robert Mueller 1149 00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:53,802 was a high school friend of ed romack's, 1150 00:52:53,804 --> 00:52:55,471 and it was the romack's house 1151 00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:57,540 where janett was babysitting that night. 1152 00:52:57,542 --> 00:52:59,375 The romacks told police that Mueller 1153 00:52:59,377 --> 00:53:01,810 had often commented on janett being a virgin 1154 00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:05,614 and had eluded to knowing intimate details of the crime. 1155 00:53:05,616 --> 00:53:07,616 Although Mueller had been taken in for questioning 1156 00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:10,219 and passed a polygraph, the police still felt 1157 00:53:10,221 --> 00:53:12,454 there was enough evidence to arrest him. 1158 00:53:12,456 --> 00:53:14,857 However, a grand jury refused to indict, 1159 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,826 and Mueller was never tried for janett's murder. 1160 00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:21,830 I am working on a documentary, 1161 00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:23,766 and I'm interested in a cold case 1162 00:53:23,768 --> 01:46:47,534 that I've been researching. 1163 00:53:23,768 --> 00:53:26,402 I wanted to see if there was any information 1164 00:53:26,404 --> 00:53:28,504 that you could give me. 1165 00:53:28,506 --> 01:46:57,010 Okay, is that... 1166 00:53:28,506 --> 00:53:31,407 did you just like do something on your system 1167 00:53:31,409 --> 00:53:33,309 and you see there's nothing there? 1168 00:53:33,311 --> 00:53:34,476 Despite numerous efforts 1169 00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:35,711 to reach out to police, 1170 00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,980 they were less than responsive. 1171 00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:40,849 Christman's case was too old to warrant attention. 1172 00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:44,353 However, we were able to track down some old case files. 1173 00:53:44,355 --> 00:53:47,256 This deputy testified that romack told him 1174 00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:49,892 Mueller had known janett 1175 00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:53,762 and admired her well-developed form. 1176 00:53:53,764 --> 00:53:56,865 Oh my God! 1177 00:53:58,368 --> 00:54:00,302 There's her leg. 1178 00:54:00,304 --> 00:54:02,771 There's the phone. 1179 00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:06,842 That's the cord around her neck, right there. 1180 00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:11,413 It's one of those irons back then with the thick cords. 1181 00:54:11,415 --> 01:48:22,828 That's the window that was broken 1182 00:54:11,415 --> 00:54:15,451 that supposedly whoever did this went in and out of, 1183 00:54:15,453 --> 01:48:30,904 but the venetian blinds... 1184 00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:17,920 if someone were going through there... 1185 00:54:17,922 --> 00:54:19,822 they'd be totally ripped up. 1186 00:54:19,824 --> 00:54:21,390 The piano, look. 1187 00:54:21,392 --> 00:54:23,525 That's the window... oh, look. 1188 00:54:23,527 --> 01:48:47,052 That's the broken glass 1189 00:54:23,527 --> 01:48:47,052 and that's why they're saying nothing is disturbed 1190 00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:28,797 because look at the area around it. 1191 00:54:28,799 --> 00:54:30,499 So, inside job. 1192 00:54:30,501 --> 01:49:01,000 Uh-hm. 1193 00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:33,402 Mueller's wife, according to the deputy, 1194 00:54:33,404 --> 00:54:37,239 had called the girl to baby sit at the Mueller home that night 1195 00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:39,675 and found she had already been asked by Mrs. romack. 1196 00:54:39,677 --> 00:54:40,976 So, Mueller tried to get her 1197 00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:41,978 to baby sit that night. 1198 00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:43,445 Must have been. 1199 00:54:43,447 --> 00:54:46,615 And she was already babysitting the romacks... 1200 00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:51,754 which was how he would know she would be alone. 1201 00:54:51,756 --> 00:54:53,322 I agree that it sounds like he did it, 1202 00:54:53,324 --> 00:54:57,293 but maybe, maybe he didn't. 1203 00:54:57,295 --> 00:55:00,529 There's no solid proof, no hard evidence. 1204 00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,501 Joan sorrels is another researcher studying the cases. 1205 00:55:05,503 --> 01:50:11,004 She believes other crimes 1206 00:55:05,503 --> 00:55:08,304 happening in Columbia at the time 1207 00:55:08,306 --> 00:55:10,906 might be connected to these murders. 1208 00:55:10,908 --> 00:55:12,410 There were rapes 1209 00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:15,344 that had occurred within that period 1210 00:55:15,346 --> 00:55:18,814 between the Jenkins murder and the christman murder. 1211 00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:19,816 Tell me about those. 1212 00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:21,517 Yeah. Well, there was a rape 1213 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:25,654 that was within two blocks of the christman murder. 1214 00:55:25,656 --> 00:55:29,792 The girl was raped by a man that wore a mask... 1215 00:55:29,794 --> 00:55:30,794 Really? 1216 00:55:30,795 --> 01:51:01,588 And when you read the stories... 1217 00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:33,929 the reports of the christman murder... 1218 00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:35,864 when they're talking about Robert Mueller, 1219 00:55:35,866 --> 00:55:39,368 it turns out that he was interested in the theater 1220 00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:42,371 and that he made masks. 1221 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:46,410 There was a black man named Jake Bradford that they charged, 1222 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:48,770 and he had already been in jail, 1223 00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:51,647 and he was charged on the rapes. 1224 00:55:51,649 --> 00:55:53,649 You assume he was innocent. 1225 00:55:53,651 --> 00:55:55,500 Of that. 1226 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,520 They took the wrong man, they really did. 1227 00:55:58,522 --> 00:56:00,789 Would you say that Columbia has like a history of this? 1228 00:56:00,791 --> 00:56:02,558 Well, you remember that I was graduating 1229 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,526 from high school in '51. 1230 00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,395 You would go to the mu football games 1231 00:56:06,397 --> 00:56:07,996 and you would stand up for Dixie. 1232 00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,990 What does that mean? 1233 00:56:10,101 --> 00:56:11,567 The song dixies... 1234 00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:12,801 Uh-hm, okay. 1235 00:56:12,803 --> 00:56:14,470 That's a confederate song. 1236 00:56:14,472 --> 01:52:28,942 Uh-hm. 1237 00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:20,342 Columbia was really primarily a confederate town. 1238 00:56:22,479 --> 00:56:24,780 Basically this is the story of a young girl... 1239 00:56:24,782 --> 00:56:25,781 We came here to investigate 1240 00:56:25,783 --> 01:52:51,564 an urban legend, 1241 00:56:25,783 --> 00:56:29,170 but what we found was truly shocking... 1242 00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:31,353 the unsolved murders of two young girls, 1243 00:56:31,355 --> 00:56:33,889 a series of brutal rapes, and the possibility 1244 00:56:33,891 --> 00:56:38,460 that men were being falsely accused and even executed. 1245 00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:41,630 In all honesty, the truth was more unflinchingly real 1246 00:56:41,632 --> 00:56:43,665 than we could ever have imagined. 1247 00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:46,802 So right now, we are headed to hinkson creek. 1248 00:56:46,804 --> 00:56:48,837 This is where a lot of people went to park 1249 00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:52,541 back in the '50s, and '40s, '50s, '60s and still do now. 1250 00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:53,675 Yeah. 1251 00:56:56,379 --> 00:56:57,780 We just wanted to see about all the other rapes 1252 00:56:57,782 --> 00:57:00,416 that were happening other than the two houses. 1253 00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:03,850 This is the creek where they're saying 1254 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:05,854 there were a ton of rapes happening around here. 1255 00:57:11,394 --> 00:57:12,594 That. 1256 00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:16,310 This is where the college students go in, 1257 00:57:16,330 --> 00:57:17,766 and there's like a car right out over there 1258 00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:19,670 and they just flashed their lights 1259 00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:22,738 because they didn't want us to walk in on them. 1260 00:57:25,542 --> 00:57:26,675 What's down here? 1261 00:57:26,677 --> 00:57:28,844 Uh, where they dragged the girl. 1262 00:57:28,846 --> 00:57:32,581 Dragged? Dragged from the car. 1263 00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,483 There was a couple making out. 1264 00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:36,652 Some guy came out of nowhere 1265 00:57:36,654 --> 00:57:39,870 and then at gunpoint pulled one of the girls off 1266 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:42,570 into the woods... and it was right near Halloween... 1267 00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:45,894 and basically this guy put a mask over his head 1268 00:57:45,896 --> 00:57:49,465 and then he put a mask over the girl's face, 1269 00:57:49,467 --> 01:55:38,932 and then he raped her. 1270 00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:52,968 I think the more scary thing was being a woman, 1271 00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:57,940 being a girl between 1940 and 1950, in this area, 1272 00:57:57,942 --> 00:58:00,876 knowing the amount of things going on. 1273 00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:02,778 I wouldn't have wanted to be a babysitter back then. 1274 00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:05,800 I wouldn't have wanted to be by myself 1275 00:58:05,820 --> 01:56:11,620 in one of those houses. 1276 00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:10,850 Most teenagers in the us go through a period 1277 00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:12,154 when they baby sit at least once or twice, 1278 00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:16,558 and it feels very terrifying to the person who is doing it, 1279 00:58:17,595 --> 00:58:20,128 But it's not actually dangerous almost at all. 1280 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,531 I mean, there's no reason to imagine 1281 00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:25,670 that any killer would even know 1282 00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:27,536 that a babysitter was on duty in the house, 1283 00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:29,972 and it makes the most sense if you think about the fact 1284 00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:33,750 that maybe he knew she was going to be there babysitting 1285 00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:35,210 and maybe he did this specifically 1286 00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:37,179 to torment the babysitter, 1287 00:58:37,181 --> 00:58:39,114 and that is exactly what happened, 1288 00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:41,817 they think, in the Columbia case. 1289 00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:44,853 Was somebody tormenting the babysitters in Columbia... 1290 00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,723 and was the same person responsible for the sex crimes 1291 00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,658 that had terrorized this town... 1292 00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:53,962 and finally was this same person Robert Mueller? 1293 00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,764 Hoping for some additional insight, 1294 00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:58,233 we turned to a profiler in Kansas City, 1295 00:58:58,235 --> 00:59:00,969 a former German national named Peter brendt 1296 00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,500 who was willing to review our case. 1297 00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,842 So in your opinion, the same killer for both girls. 1298 00:59:06,844 --> 00:59:08,677 Yes. This is too specific 1299 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:11,130 if you add all of the details together. 1300 00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:13,181 Do you think that marylou Jenkins knew him? 1301 00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:16,218 Well, there was no sign of forced entry on the door, 1302 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:21,560 so at least from the sight, she must have known him, 1303 00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:23,825 and he was non threatening to her. 1304 00:59:23,827 --> 00:59:26,795 Right. Now let's talk about christman. 1305 00:59:26,797 --> 00:59:29,631 Oh, well, this is a lot more specifics. 1306 00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:32,000 If you see there comes an offender, 1307 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,168 he breaks a window. 1308 00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:35,771 The victim runs to the kitchen where the phone is, 1309 00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:38,730 and he walks in through the front door. 1310 00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,576 Now, why would he do that? 1311 00:59:40,578 --> 00:59:43,579 He would do that only if he knew one detail... 1312 00:59:43,581 --> 00:59:48,684 ed romack had shown her how to use the shortcut. 1313 00:59:48,686 --> 00:59:50,686 Peter had brought up an interesting clue... 1314 00:59:50,688 --> 00:59:52,321 one that many had overlooked. 1315 00:59:52,323 --> 00:59:54,890 Romack testified that he had shown janett 1316 00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:56,558 a loaded shotgun by the front door. 1317 00:59:56,560 --> 01:59:53,118 By breaking the window, 1318 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,828 Mueller would distract her away from the gun 1319 00:59:59,830 --> 01:00:03,298 so he could safely get inside the house. 1320 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:06,935 He knew how long he would need around the house, 1321 01:00:06,937 --> 01:00:08,971 through the front door into the kitchen. 1322 01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:13,942 So he knew every feet of the route. 1323 01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,577 Do you think it was Mueller? 1324 01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:17,120 He fits the bill, 1325 01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:18,981 but a lot of other males of the town 1326 01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:20,849 would fit that bill, too. 1327 01:00:20,851 --> 01:00:24,119 And the problem is he passed his lie detector. 1328 01:00:24,121 --> 01:00:30,158 Now, if you have even 20% to 40% cycle passes it makes... 1329 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,827 a lie detector, 1330 01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:34,830 especially an old model from the '50s, 1331 01:00:34,832 --> 01:00:39,868 um, well, it's worthless. 1332 01:00:39,870 --> 02:01:19,738 Now the other interesting thing 1333 01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:44,873 is that the rapes and murders stopped when he left town. 1334 01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:48,210 Well, that looks not good on the other side. 1335 01:00:48,212 --> 01:00:53,248 What was it, half a million young males went to Korea? 1336 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,385 So he wasn't the only one who left the area. 1337 01:00:56,387 --> 01:00:59,210 I mean he would so nicely fit the bill, 1338 01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:03,725 but that's the risky part with profiles, yeah? 1339 01:01:03,727 --> 01:01:06,194 A profile states not who the killer is 1340 01:01:06,196 --> 01:01:08,864 but what the killer is. 1341 01:01:08,866 --> 01:01:09,865 I think it's interesting 1342 01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:12,100 that he thinks whoever this is, 1343 01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:15,671 he knew her... he knew both. 1344 01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:17,500 Although we'll never be able to prove 1345 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:18,874 who committed all these crimes, 1346 01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:20,308 the evidence strongly suggests 1347 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:23,645 that janett christman knew her killer. 1348 01:01:23,647 --> 01:01:28,383 There really is not a strong tradition in America 1349 01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:32,854 of strangers coming in and killing babysitters. 1350 01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,992 Babysitters killing small children, yes, 1351 01:01:36,994 --> 01:01:40,729 but the stranger on babysitter story 1352 01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:47,736 just doesn't connect up with a widespread real social fear. 1353 01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,209 What the babysitter and the man upstairs 1354 01:01:54,211 --> 01:01:57,145 seems to be about is this warning 1355 01:01:57,147 --> 01:01:59,810 about this kind of responsibility. 1356 01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:00,449 If you're taking this responsibility, 1357 01:02:00,451 --> 01:02:02,840 you have to take it seriously. 1358 01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:04,786 So, you have this voice that calls her up on the phone 1359 01:02:04,788 --> 01:02:06,421 and almost like a conscience, 1360 01:02:06,423 --> 01:02:08,290 asks have you checked the children, 1361 01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:10,258 and she hasn't checked the children, 1362 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:12,828 and that's one of the reasons why she doesn't know 1363 01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:14,763 that they've been murdered. 1364 01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:18,660 I think it makes more sense 1365 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,102 to look at it in a simple way 1366 01:02:20,104 --> 01:02:25,273 and say the babysitter is dealing with her own anxieties 1367 01:02:25,275 --> 01:02:29,978 of being potentially the cause of the children's death... 1368 01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:34,349 and the killer upstairs is the killer upstairs for her. 1369 01:02:34,351 --> 01:02:36,318 The tragic case of janett christman 1370 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,987 only goes to prove bill Ellis's point 1371 01:02:38,989 --> 01:02:42,791 that our portrayal of the man upstairs is incorrect... 1372 01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:45,260 and that's because the truth is more terrifying 1373 01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,229 than we can ever imagine. 1374 01:02:47,231 --> 01:02:49,231 Janett christman knew her killer, 1375 01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:51,767 and if it's true that her killer was Mueller 1376 01:02:51,769 --> 01:02:54,402 as so many in Columbia have suggested, 1377 01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:57,239 then the man tormenting her that fateful night 1378 01:02:57,241 --> 01:02:59,474 wasn't any stranger. 1379 01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:15,190 So now we go from Columbia, Missouri, 1380 01:03:15,192 --> 01:03:17,793 to Chicago in the 1980s... 1381 01:03:17,795 --> 01:03:19,995 from the small town to the big city. 1382 01:03:22,310 --> 01:03:24,900 For some, it is a loss of innocence, 1383 01:03:24,902 --> 01:03:29,400 and nothing speaks to that loss more than clowns. 1384 01:03:30,541 --> 01:03:33,408 We used to think of clowns as fairly happy characters. 1385 01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:35,844 Yes, sometimes they were sad or hapless, 1386 01:03:35,846 --> 01:03:38,380 but ultimately they were harmless caricatures. 1387 01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:41,983 Of course, clown faces were exaggerated and garish, 1388 01:03:41,985 --> 01:03:43,451 but that's because of the far distances 1389 01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:45,921 between the audience and the ring. 1390 01:03:45,923 --> 01:03:49,357 It wasn't the clown's fault, or was it? 1391 01:03:50,893 --> 01:03:52,427 Before modern times, the clown... 1392 01:03:52,429 --> 01:03:54,429 or more appropriately the Jester... 1393 01:03:54,431 --> 01:03:56,398 was considered a mischievous trickster 1394 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,135 whose special role allowed them to mock nobility. 1395 01:04:00,137 --> 01:04:03,371 Jesters served to entertain, but it wasn't all smiles. 1396 01:04:03,373 --> 01:04:08,276 These clowns had a mean streak, and they played it to the hilt. 1397 01:04:08,278 --> 01:04:10,879 But what was it about the clowns of today 1398 01:04:10,881 --> 01:04:14,883 that turned them into something evil? 1399 01:04:17,487 --> 01:04:18,954 Breakfast. 1400 01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:22,924 I'm hungry. 1401 01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:25,560 Some believe it was when we brought clowns 1402 01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,896 out of the big top and into our homes 1403 01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:30,310 via birthday parties and TV, 1404 01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:32,868 that things really began to change. 1405 01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:36,204 We see you here as bozo. Who are you really? 1406 01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,306 Had that suspicious gleam in the eye 1407 01:04:38,308 --> 01:04:39,975 been there all along? 1408 01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:42,911 Did we finally just put two and two together to realize 1409 01:04:42,913 --> 01:04:46,414 that clowns were creepy or even worse... 1410 01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:48,490 dangerous? 1411 01:04:48,510 --> 01:04:50,585 The news at 5. 1412 01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:52,420 Chicago police warned parents 1413 01:04:52,422 --> 01:04:56,524 about a man dressed as a clown who is approaching children. 1414 01:04:56,526 --> 01:04:58,593 Police say a clown tried to lure boys 1415 01:04:58,595 --> 01:05:01,863 into his pickup truck last Tuesday evening. 1416 01:05:01,865 --> 01:05:03,365 Police have issued two community alerts 1417 01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:06,868 regarding the clown sighting near some southside schools 1418 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,271 as well as some westside schools. 1419 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,600 No one can say for sure 1420 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,510 where in Chicago it happened first or even when, 1421 01:05:17,113 --> 01:05:21,583 but they were out there, snatching kids off the streets. 1422 01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:24,352 They trolled playgrounds and schoolyards. 1423 01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,421 Sometimes they used balloons or candy 1424 01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:28,356 to lure the gullible ones. 1425 01:05:30,426 --> 01:05:32,327 But ask anyone who has seen them, 1426 01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:34,896 and they'll all tell you the same thing... 1427 01:05:34,898 --> 01:05:37,198 it was the white van they saw first 1428 01:05:39,168 --> 01:05:41,903 and then that face behind the wheel 1429 01:05:41,905 --> 01:05:44,639 painted white with a maniacal smile. 1430 01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:49,945 We call them the killer clowns, 1431 01:05:49,947 --> 01:05:52,447 and they only wanted one thing... 1432 01:05:52,449 --> 01:05:56,484 to kidnap kids just like us. 1433 01:05:57,687 --> 01:05:59,200 Police are saying that the suspect 1434 01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:01,189 wears clown make-up, a wig, 1435 01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:03,224 and sometimes he carried balloons. 1436 01:06:03,226 --> 02:12:06,450 The latest pair of incidents 1437 01:06:03,226 --> 01:06:06,995 occurred near playgrounds at 83rd and mackinaw... 1438 01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:08,697 They were running out of the playground area. 1439 01:06:08,699 --> 01:06:11,232 To prey on children at this time, you know, 1440 01:06:11,234 --> 01:06:13,568 right around the time that they want to go out 1441 01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:16,438 and do trick-or-treating is unfortunate. 1442 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,700 We should emphasize that nothing has happened... 1443 01:06:19,900 --> 02:12:39,600 no child has been hurt... 1444 01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:23,111 but certainly these incidents that have been near children 1445 01:06:23,113 --> 01:06:25,113 is making it very uneasy. 1446 01:06:29,685 --> 01:06:32,120 In 2008, this was one of the reported sightings... 1447 01:06:32,122 --> 01:06:33,210 South mackinaw... 1448 01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:35,991 one of the theoretical clown abductions 1449 01:06:35,993 --> 01:06:38,593 where apparently he was hiding in the playground 1450 01:06:38,595 --> 01:06:40,610 with some balloons... 1451 01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:42,630 Or he was in a van or he was in a truck. 1452 01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:44,650 I mean, no adult said they saw this. 1453 01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:46,340 Something was going on with these children 1454 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,271 to feel the need to alert adults. 1455 01:06:50,273 --> 01:06:51,373 You doing a documentary? 1456 01:06:51,375 --> 02:13:42,748 Yeah, we are. 1457 01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:53,742 Do you believe that really happened? 1458 01:06:53,744 --> 01:06:54,809 Yeah, oh sure. 1459 01:06:54,811 --> 01:06:56,244 Why do you believe that happened? 1460 01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:57,512 Well, people told me, you know, 1461 01:06:57,514 --> 01:06:59,414 that they actually seen that. 1462 01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:01,216 Was it just one incident or was it... 1463 01:07:01,218 --> 01:07:03,385 No, it was like a couple weeks or you know, 1464 01:07:03,387 --> 01:07:05,653 a month or something like that it was going on. 1465 01:07:05,655 --> 01:07:07,550 Did they ever catch the guy? 1466 01:07:07,570 --> 02:14:15,120 I'm not sure. 1467 01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:09,657 I think they did because it stopped. 1468 01:07:09,659 --> 01:07:12,193 Definitely it was a true incident. 1469 01:07:12,195 --> 01:07:14,620 Uh-hm. Uh-hm. 1470 01:07:14,640 --> 02:14:29,260 So, he believes... 1471 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,298 He believes it. It was-it was real. 1472 01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:19,567 I think there could possibly have been a clown here. 1473 01:07:19,569 --> 01:07:21,403 It's hard to discern. 1474 01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:23,705 A white van and the guy had a mask... 1475 01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:25,573 Uh-hm. ...Of a clown. 1476 01:07:25,575 --> 01:07:27,709 One of our friends' daughters... 1477 01:07:27,711 --> 01:07:29,210 yeah, and she was holding on 1478 01:07:29,212 --> 01:07:30,645 like for dear life to the fence. 1479 01:07:30,647 --> 01:07:32,180 Really? Yeah. 1480 01:07:32,182 --> 01:07:33,782 Do you believe it really happened? 1481 01:07:33,784 --> 02:15:07,566 I believe so. 1482 01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:37,520 We have tons and tons of pedophiles 1483 01:07:37,540 --> 01:07:39,540 in this community. I always log on to it. 1484 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:40,880 Really? Oh yes. 1485 01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:41,189 Dressing as a clown? 1486 01:07:41,191 --> 02:15:22,380 Yeah. 1487 01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:43,725 That's a little extreme, don't you think? 1488 01:07:43,727 --> 02:15:27,452 No. 1489 01:07:43,727 --> 02:15:27,452 But you never saw the clown. 1490 01:07:43,727 --> 01:07:49,640 No, but we saw people that acted like that person... 1491 01:07:49,660 --> 02:15:39,300 trying to lure... tell the kids. 1492 01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:53,468 I saw him right in the store and I warned the store owner. 1493 01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:54,803 I'd like for people to hear the truth 1494 01:07:54,805 --> 01:07:57,720 Not a lie. 1495 01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:00,141 Now I don't know what to think. 1496 01:08:00,143 --> 01:08:02,177 Walking away, it was hard not to believe 1497 01:08:02,179 --> 01:08:04,412 that there must be some truth to this. 1498 01:08:04,414 --> 01:08:06,548 Could all these people really be wrong? 1499 01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:10,118 Maybe our fear of clowns isn't just in our heads. 1500 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,389 Coulrophobia is the fear of clowns. 1501 01:08:14,391 --> 01:08:16,658 It is so widespread now that, you know, 1502 01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:19,828 everybody knows that people are afraid of clowns. 1503 01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:22,564 Everybody knows that something is up with clowns, 1504 01:08:22,566 --> 01:08:25,533 and the last couple of decades have just been confirmation 1505 01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:27,302 of everything they ever feared. 1506 01:08:27,304 --> 02:16:54,606 But what's even more disturbing 1507 01:08:27,304 --> 01:08:32,740 is that these phantom clowns didn't just appear in 2008. 1508 01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:35,577 There was a similar sighting 17 years previously, 1509 01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:38,613 in the fall of 1991. 1510 01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:40,615 From the number of alleged sightings 1511 01:08:40,617 --> 01:08:43,118 coming from practically all over Chicago, 1512 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,486 police are theorizing 1513 01:08:44,488 --> 01:08:46,654 there may be more than one phony clown 1514 01:08:46,656 --> 01:08:48,790 out roaming the streets. 1515 01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:49,858 This is a comment. 1516 01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:51,726 "I've seen the same van with the clown driving 1517 01:08:51,728 --> 01:08:54,295 when we was on the westside playing, 1518 01:08:54,297 --> 01:08:56,464 and I can recall the van stopping in the alley 1519 01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:58,766 and the clown trying to lure me to the van. 1520 01:08:58,768 --> 02:17:57,534 That scared me worser 1521 01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:02,537 than living in cabrini-green projects." 1522 01:09:02,539 --> 01:09:05,340 The mention of cabrini-green was telling. 1523 01:09:05,342 --> 01:09:08,476 It had been one of Chicago's most notorious slums 1524 01:09:08,478 --> 01:09:12,680 where kids faced rampant poverty and violence on a daily basis. 1525 01:09:12,682 --> 01:09:13,848 But how does a kid process 1526 01:09:13,850 --> 01:09:15,650 these overwhelming societal issues 1527 01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:18,319 that are just too big to fix? 1528 01:09:18,321 --> 01:09:19,821 Have you ever like heard of any talk 1529 01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:21,689 about any scary place on your block, 1530 01:09:21,691 --> 01:09:23,124 a place nobody went to? 1531 01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:25,560 Every block is a scary block... 1532 01:09:25,562 --> 01:09:27,495 So much shooting and killing out here. 1533 01:09:27,497 --> 01:09:29,197 You guys think clowns are scary? 1534 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,231 Clowns? Yeah. 1535 01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:31,866 No. 1536 01:09:31,868 --> 01:09:32,868 Killer clowns. 1537 01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:34,169 Killer clowns. 1538 01:09:35,905 --> 01:09:39,207 We've got a real shot here, Bernadette. 1539 01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:40,875 An entire community starts attributing 1540 01:09:40,877 --> 01:09:44,646 the daily horrors of their lives to a mythical figure. 1541 01:09:44,648 --> 01:09:46,848 Sometimes we create monsters. 1542 01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:50,151 Sometimes we just need to put a face on our fear. 1543 01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:53,855 Aren't you going to say hello? 1544 01:09:54,823 --> 01:09:56,758 This is where there was 1545 01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,529 another series of clown sightings back in '91. 1546 01:10:01,531 --> 01:10:03,898 They called this clown sighting the homey the clown sighting. 1547 01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:05,100 Back in the early '90s, 1548 01:10:05,101 --> 01:10:07,602 there was a popular show on, in living colors. 1549 01:10:07,604 --> 01:10:09,904 Huge character on there, homey the clown. 1550 01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,407 Now let's show them how homey gets back at 1551 01:10:12,409 --> 01:10:13,575 Mr. establishment. 1552 01:10:15,345 --> 01:10:16,444 Sure. 1553 01:10:20,449 --> 01:10:23,451 I mean, this is only one of many, many places 1554 01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:25,687 all over Chicago. 1555 01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:28,356 There was a real citywide scare. 1556 01:10:28,358 --> 01:10:30,491 The Chicago police were being called. 1557 01:10:30,493 --> 01:10:32,760 There were reports in the news. 1558 01:10:32,762 --> 01:10:34,696 Isaiah Thompson was a local reporter 1559 01:10:34,698 --> 01:10:37,465 who grew up in Chicago and wrote about the clowns 1560 01:10:37,467 --> 01:10:39,467 that seemed to be lurking on every corner. 1561 01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:42,237 Somehow-you know, 1562 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,472 I don't know that anyone knows how, you know, 1563 01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:47,375 this whole city, especially like this whole 1564 01:10:47,377 --> 01:10:50,211 public school network of thousands and thousands of kids 1565 01:10:50,213 --> 01:10:51,679 all believe the same thing, 1566 01:10:51,681 --> 01:10:54,482 so it seems like this larger force of nature 1567 01:10:54,484 --> 01:10:57,986 that sort of visited itself upon the kids of Chicago. 1568 01:10:57,988 --> 01:11:00,355 What the kids in 1991 didn't know 1569 01:11:00,357 --> 01:11:04,926 was that Chicago had an even earlier clown scare. 1570 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:10,898 There was another clown scare phenomenon previously in 1981. 1571 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,435 It's been said that that one started in Boston. 1572 01:11:14,437 --> 01:11:16,237 Uh-hm. You think '81, you think '80s, 1573 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:19,741 you think Steven king, you think poltergeist. 1574 01:11:19,743 --> 01:11:23,411 No, that started in '82, poltergeist, '86 for it. 1575 01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:25,413 This was all before any of that. 1576 01:11:25,415 --> 01:11:27,160 It's easy to see how poltergeist 1577 01:11:27,170 --> 01:11:29,517 could have helped spread a clown scare. 1578 01:11:38,494 --> 01:11:40,261 And of course, Steven king's it... 1579 01:11:40,263 --> 01:11:43,298 Ah-ha, I'll drive you crazy and I'll kill you all. 1580 01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:45,266 I'm every nightmare you ever had. 1581 01:11:45,268 --> 01:11:48,670 I am your worst dream come true! 1582 01:11:48,672 --> 01:11:50,371 But the fact that the 1981 scare 1583 01:11:50,373 --> 01:11:53,708 preceded these cinematic killer clowns was telling. 1584 01:11:53,710 --> 01:11:56,100 This wasn't just kids watching some movie, 1585 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,713 not when this fear was everywhere. 1586 01:11:58,715 --> 01:12:02,784 Clowns appear in California in 1967; 1587 01:12:02,786 --> 01:12:04,385 in Newark 1980; 1588 01:12:04,387 --> 01:12:05,520 Boston; Providence; 1589 01:12:05,522 --> 01:12:08,389 Omaha; Phoenix, Arizona in 1985; 1590 01:12:08,391 --> 01:12:09,490 Chicago; Galveston, 1591 01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:10,825 Texas, 1992; 1592 01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:11,893 Washington; Maryland; 1593 01:12:11,895 --> 01:12:13,394 Scotland, 1991; 1594 01:12:13,396 --> 01:12:15,897 throughout a large portion of Latin America 1595 01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:19,500 from Mexico to South America in the mid-90s. 1596 01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:21,602 The question of how it's being spread 1597 01:12:21,604 --> 01:12:24,772 is a very interesting one because you have an age group 1598 01:12:24,774 --> 01:12:27,942 which doesn't have an enormous amount of contacts 1599 01:12:27,944 --> 01:12:30,511 and especially in a pre-Internet time. 1600 01:12:30,513 --> 01:12:33,414 Elementary schools communicating with students 1601 01:12:33,416 --> 01:12:36,517 in other elementary schools on the other side of town 1602 01:12:36,519 --> 02:25:13,036 is very unlikely. 1603 01:12:36,519 --> 01:12:41,890 How it's transmitted is really one of the most intriguing, 1604 01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:44,459 perhaps unsolved mysteries about it. 1605 01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:49,531 All over the world, 1606 01:12:49,532 --> 01:12:52,533 kids were seeing killer clowns, 1607 01:12:52,535 --> 01:12:54,335 but it could have been any monster... 1608 01:12:54,337 --> 01:12:58,806 zombies, vampires, witches, why clowns? 1609 01:12:58,808 --> 01:13:01,676 Maybe our fear points to an even larger issue. 1610 01:13:01,678 --> 01:13:03,778 Maybe it was the clown's loss of innocence 1611 01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:06,114 that made them that much more scary 1612 01:13:06,116 --> 01:13:08,516 because it spoke to our own loss. 1613 01:13:08,518 --> 01:13:11,686 For those born into a generation of stranger danger, 1614 01:13:11,688 --> 01:13:14,389 where missing kids appeared on every milk carton, 1615 01:13:14,391 --> 01:13:16,391 clowns represented a world 1616 01:13:16,393 --> 01:13:18,526 that had turned almost evil overnight, 1617 01:13:18,528 --> 01:13:20,795 and that's because it's here in Chicago 1618 01:13:20,797 --> 01:13:22,697 where the notion of killer clowns 1619 01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:24,365 became a reality. 1620 01:13:24,367 --> 01:13:25,967 Police found the decomposed remains 1621 01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:27,168 of three bodies. 1622 01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:29,804 They suspect there are several more bodies buried here. 1623 01:13:29,806 --> 01:13:32,807 And the most evil of them all was pogo, 1624 01:13:32,809 --> 01:13:36,411 the alter ego of one of the most prolific serial killers 1625 01:13:36,413 --> 01:13:40,481 in all of history, John Wayne gacy. 1626 01:13:43,385 --> 01:13:45,453 Gacy was a sadistic serial killer 1627 01:13:45,455 --> 01:13:47,388 who brutally slayed 33 young men 1628 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:52,260 between 1972 and 1978 in the Chicago suburbs. 1629 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,797 Though many have portrayed gacy as an actual killer clown, 1630 01:13:55,799 --> 01:13:57,832 the truth behind his demented persona 1631 01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,634 is not so simple. 1632 01:14:14,416 --> 01:14:16,117 How many bodies did you find here? 1633 01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:19,530 Twenty-nine, twenty-seven under the house... 1634 01:14:19,550 --> 02:28:39,080 Uh-hm. 1635 01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:21,989 In the crawlspace, one under the driveway... 1636 01:14:21,991 --> 01:14:26,461 And one under an extension that he put on the garage. 1637 01:14:26,463 --> 02:28:52,924 This is Bob egans, 1638 01:14:26,463 --> 01:14:29,864 a former prosecutor on the gacy case, 1639 01:14:29,866 --> 01:14:32,433 and cook county detective Jason moran. 1640 01:14:32,435 --> 01:14:34,902 When we first saw the pogo the clown pictures, 1641 01:14:34,904 --> 02:29:09,806 we went, oh my God, 1642 01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:38,139 is this guy acting as a clown to get victims... 1643 01:14:38,141 --> 01:14:41,542 that's what we thought, but it wasn't that at all. 1644 01:14:41,544 --> 01:14:44,178 He was doing that because he was the center of attention, 1645 01:14:44,180 --> 02:29:28,358 and everything he did 1646 01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:47,114 was to make himself the center of attention. 1647 01:14:47,116 --> 01:14:49,830 I still don't like clowns. 1648 01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:51,819 And I'm an adult with a gun and a badge. 1649 01:14:51,821 --> 01:14:53,754 And it might be from being a child 1650 01:14:53,756 --> 01:14:57,725 during that time because if you look at pogo the clown, 1651 01:14:57,727 --> 01:14:59,660 he was a very creepy clown. 1652 01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:02,530 If you look at the pictures, the make-up around his eyes 1653 01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:05,199 when he was portraying pogo, was triangular, 1654 01:15:05,201 --> 01:15:08,736 and the make-up around his mouth came up to points. 1655 01:15:08,738 --> 01:15:11,105 Clown experts said clowns do not have 1656 01:15:11,107 --> 01:15:13,508 any sharp points on their faces. 1657 01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:14,809 Why? 1658 01:15:14,811 --> 01:15:17,645 Because it scares kids and it connotes evil. 1659 01:15:17,647 --> 01:15:20,114 And so do you think gacy did this on purpose 1660 01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:21,682 to connote evil? 1661 01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:22,783 It was subconscious? No, I don't think at all. 1662 01:15:22,785 --> 01:15:24,180 I think it was purely coincidental. 1663 01:15:24,200 --> 02:30:48,380 He wasn't... 1664 01:15:24,200 --> 02:30:48,380 I don't think he was thinking of that for one second. 1665 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,890 I'm telling you, that's exactly what we believed at the time. 1666 01:15:28,892 --> 01:15:31,526 Pogo the clown issue was the subject 1667 01:15:31,528 --> 01:15:34,610 of a lot of conversation during the trial prep. 1668 01:15:35,564 --> 01:15:38,666 Although gacy never did kill anyone dressed as a clown, 1669 01:15:38,668 --> 01:15:41,969 he did tell police clowns could get away with murder, 1670 01:15:41,971 --> 01:15:44,739 leading many to believe his signature clown look 1671 01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:48,976 was in fact a true reflection of his inner evil self. 1672 01:15:52,681 --> 01:15:54,882 Ken melvoin-berg is a noted historian 1673 01:15:54,884 --> 01:15:58,619 who understands the dark side of a clown. 1674 01:15:58,621 --> 01:16:00,821 It doesn't matter the type of mask that you're putting on... 1675 01:16:00,823 --> 01:16:02,560 whether it's a clown face... 1676 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:03,925 it's to hide who you are a little bit 1677 01:16:03,927 --> 01:16:05,860 and to be somebody a little bit different. 1678 01:16:05,862 --> 01:16:08,696 It's oftentimes the opposite of what we portray ourselves 1679 01:16:08,698 --> 02:32:17,394 in our day-to-day lives. 1680 01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:12,800 So somebody who is a truly evil person like gacy 1681 01:16:12,802 --> 01:16:17,138 puts it on to sort of offset that. 1682 01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,106 What happens when people costume 1683 01:16:19,108 --> 01:16:23,770 is that they're playing with these internal personalities... 1684 01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:26,814 they're repressing the normal ego... 1685 01:16:26,816 --> 01:16:29,984 and they are allowing some internal personality 1686 01:16:29,986 --> 01:16:32,153 to become dominant. 1687 01:16:32,155 --> 01:16:34,288 And so you put on the clown make-up 1688 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:37,558 and you are no longer yourself. 1689 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,963 You then become someone that is unpredictable, 1690 01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:45,866 possibly dangerous, possibly violent. 1691 01:16:47,235 --> 01:16:48,302 Game on, my friend. 1692 01:16:51,774 --> 01:16:54,108 Ha-ha-ha-ha. 1693 01:16:55,845 --> 02:33:51,688 Clowns have always been 1694 01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:58,790 a huge thing for us here in Chicago 1695 01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:00,181 unlike any other American city 1696 01:17:00,183 --> 01:17:03,250 where we have clowns and clown stories 1697 01:17:03,252 --> 01:17:05,920 and clown mythology and clown history 1698 01:17:05,922 --> 01:17:09,230 that no other city in the us has. 1699 01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:12,293 It started off a long time ago in the 1890s 1700 01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:14,996 when the columbian exposition brought clowns around 1701 01:17:14,998 --> 01:17:17,365 just to entertain folks. 1702 01:17:17,367 --> 01:17:19,330 Going forward in time a little bit, 1703 01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:20,935 up into the 1950s, like Bob bell 1704 01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:22,937 who was the original bozo the clown. 1705 01:17:22,939 --> 01:17:25,840 The bozo set is still at wgn in the building, 1706 01:17:25,842 --> 01:17:27,274 and it's allegedly haunted. 1707 01:17:27,276 --> 01:17:29,644 In the late '70s is when you had John Wayne gacy. 1708 01:17:29,646 --> 01:17:31,345 Shortly after is when 1709 01:17:31,347 --> 02:35:02,692 a clown panic happened. 1710 01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:34,915 So for people like me who are a little bit sadistic, 1711 01:17:34,917 --> 01:17:36,884 to me it's made it that much more interesting 1712 01:17:36,886 --> 01:17:38,352 because people are that much more scared 1713 01:17:38,354 --> 01:17:39,987 of clowns these days. 1714 01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,390 The thing is that all of the people 1715 01:17:42,392 --> 01:17:46,761 that were children in the 1980s and 1990s 1716 01:17:46,763 --> 02:35:33,524 are adults now, 1717 01:17:46,763 --> 01:17:49,830 and are telling these terrifying tales of clowns 1718 01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:51,232 to their children. 1719 01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:54,100 Speaking of the connection to clowns in Chicago, 1720 01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,370 the one site that you guys have got to see 1721 01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:59,407 if you haven't been there before is showmen's rest 1722 01:17:59,409 --> 01:18:04,145 which is a monument to the circus and clowns 1723 01:18:04,147 --> 01:18:06,180 in a cemetery. 1724 01:18:06,181 --> 01:18:07,181 Buried in Chicago 1725 01:18:07,183 --> 01:18:10,284 were the clowns and other circus performers 1726 01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:12,153 who died in one of the worst train wrecks 1727 01:18:12,155 --> 01:18:13,721 in American history. 1728 01:18:13,723 --> 01:18:15,656 On June 22, 1918, 1729 01:18:15,658 --> 01:18:17,958 after its conductor fell asleep, 1730 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,610 a train plowed into the idle sleeper cars 1731 01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:22,863 of the hagenbeck-Wallace circus. 1732 01:18:22,865 --> 01:18:25,320 Those who weren't killed in the initial impact 1733 01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:28,669 burned to death after the wooden cars caught on fire. 1734 01:18:30,305 --> 01:18:32,740 In all, 86 performers were killed. 1735 01:18:32,742 --> 01:18:35,900 With so many burned beyond recognition, 1736 01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:36,811 they were buried in a mass grave 1737 01:18:36,813 --> 01:18:39,800 in a section of the Chicago cemetery 1738 01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:41,716 called showmen's rest. 1739 01:18:41,718 --> 01:18:43,951 One of those who survived was Joe coyle, 1740 01:18:43,953 --> 01:18:45,286 a famously jovial clown 1741 01:18:45,288 --> 01:18:48,890 whose act became perpetually sad and morose 1742 01:18:48,910 --> 01:18:50,791 as he took to dressing in rags. 1743 01:18:50,793 --> 01:18:54,428 Coyle would play a sad clown for the rest of his life. 1744 01:18:55,864 --> 01:18:57,198 Joe coyle spoke bitterly 1745 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,733 as he lay on a stretcher 1746 01:18:58,735 --> 01:19:00,468 and told how his wife and two babies 1747 01:19:00,470 --> 01:19:03,337 had joined him only recently and how all three 1748 01:19:03,339 --> 01:19:05,940 had been crushed to death at his very side. 1749 01:19:05,942 --> 01:19:09,900 "The kiddies had been so glad to see their daddy," he said, 1750 01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:11,812 "I wish I could have died with them." 1751 01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:26,127 Here, look. See that? 1752 01:19:26,129 --> 01:19:27,129 Baldy. 1753 01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:29,130 Baldy, 1918, June 22. 1754 01:19:29,132 --> 01:19:30,831 They said they only could name him baldy 1755 01:19:30,833 --> 01:19:33,868 because that was the only name they knew him by 1756 01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:35,803 was his stage name. 1757 01:19:35,805 --> 01:19:38,239 4 horse driver, 1918. 1758 01:19:38,241 --> 01:19:40,741 Unknown male, unknown male. 1759 01:19:40,743 --> 01:19:44,411 Unknown male, unknown male, unknown male. 1760 01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:45,813 All these graves are unknown. 1761 01:19:45,815 --> 01:19:47,255 All these graves are unknown. 1762 01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:49,950 Maybe it all started in Chicago 1763 01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:52,520 with the deaths of these clowns. 1764 01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:54,421 Maybe all it takes is a little tragedy 1765 01:19:54,423 --> 01:19:57,291 to unlock the even darker places in our mind. 1766 01:19:59,861 --> 01:20:01,295 One thing is for certain... 1767 01:20:01,297 --> 01:20:03,998 there's no going back to the innocent clown. 1768 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,834 The scales have been tipped and the evidence proves it. 1769 01:20:06,836 --> 01:20:09,870 Clowns can do scary things. 1770 01:20:09,872 --> 01:20:12,206 They can even become killers. 1771 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,545 ...314, shooting at century theaters. 1772 01:20:17,547 --> 01:20:20,214 14300, east Alameda Avenue. 1773 01:20:20,216 --> 01:20:22,349 They're saying somebody is shooting in the auditorium. 1774 01:20:22,351 --> 01:20:24,785 We got seven down and. 1775 01:20:24,787 --> 02:40:49,572 Seven down. 1776 01:20:24,787 --> 01:20:27,888 I've got a child victim... I need rescue. 1777 01:20:30,792 --> 01:20:33,294 Breaking news coming out of aurora, Colorado. 1778 01:20:33,296 --> 01:20:35,162 A scene of a shooting this morning. 1779 01:20:35,164 --> 01:20:37,531 A movie theater where "the dark knight rises" 1780 01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:38,866 was being shown. 1781 01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:41,202 On July 20, 2012, 1782 01:20:41,204 --> 01:20:43,370 James Holmes commits one of the worse mass shootings 1783 01:20:43,372 --> 02:41:26,742 in recent history. 1784 01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:47,700 But if the massacre itself weren't horrific enough, 1785 01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:50,177 James's costuming was an ominous testament 1786 01:20:50,179 --> 01:20:54,448 to the allure of a very specific clown. 1787 01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:56,884 Introduce a little anarchy, 1788 01:20:56,886 --> 01:20:59,153 upset the established order. 1789 01:20:59,155 --> 01:21:02,890 Then everything becomes chaos. 1790 01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,928 I'm an agent of chaos. 1791 01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:09,964 Holmes's embodiment of the joker, 1792 01:21:09,966 --> 01:21:11,565 a villain who has come to represent 1793 01:21:11,567 --> 01:21:15,302 the ultimate destruction of our civilized world 1794 01:21:15,304 --> 01:21:17,400 is no coincidence. 1795 01:21:18,975 --> 01:21:21,976 In our never-ending attempts to sanitize society, 1796 01:21:23,979 --> 01:21:27,848 we sometimes reap what we sow. 1797 01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:28,983 In a sense, you can really look at it s as 1798 01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:31,585 a possible backlash. 1799 01:21:31,587 --> 01:21:35,550 He felt this compulsion to water the clown down 1800 01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:39,159 into this cartoonish, harmless being, 1801 01:21:39,161 --> 01:21:42,229 and maybe underlying traits of the archetype 1802 01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:44,398 just came back with a vengeance. 1803 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,635 Holmes's joker-fueled rampage not only signified 1804 01:21:47,637 --> 01:21:51,380 that the clown's transformation from innocent to evil 1805 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,410 was finally complete, but it also revealed 1806 01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:57,978 what was truly lurking inside of us all. 1807 01:21:57,980 --> 01:22:01,315 We think of ourselves as one, and in fact we're really 1808 01:22:01,317 --> 01:22:04,985 kind of a parliament of personalities. 1809 01:22:04,987 --> 01:22:09,890 The killer clown is one of our personalities, 1810 01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:11,458 it's part of us. 1811 01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:14,428 And so therefore, we have to be very careful 1812 01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:20,340 not to let the killer clown out except, in a safe way... 1813 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:21,635 except in a playful way. 1814 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,572 See, madness as you know, 1815 01:22:25,574 --> 01:22:28,976 is like gravity. 1816 01:22:28,978 --> 01:22:31,412 All it takes is a little push. 1817 01:22:37,185 --> 01:22:38,585 The babysitter killer, 1818 01:22:38,587 --> 01:22:41,655 the hook man, the Halloween sadist, 1819 01:22:41,657 --> 01:22:43,691 the killer clown... 1820 01:22:43,693 --> 01:22:45,960 what can we learn from these urban legends 1821 01:22:45,962 --> 01:22:49,463 and from the true crimes that may have inspired them? 1822 01:22:49,465 --> 01:22:53,670 Maybe these monsters, despite our overwhelming desire 1823 01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:56,937 to believe otherwise, just aren't real. 1824 01:22:56,939 --> 01:22:58,572 By presenting false boogeymen, 1825 01:22:58,574 --> 01:23:00,174 our urban legends are helping us 1826 01:23:00,176 --> 01:23:03,711 to make sense of crimes too wicked to comprehend. 1827 01:23:03,713 --> 01:23:06,313 An urban legend, even though it can be scary, 1828 01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:11,510 it's not nearly as scary as the actual murderers 1829 01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:13,454 that live in the world with us. 1830 01:23:13,456 --> 01:23:16,190 But peel back the layers of any campfire tale, 1831 01:23:16,192 --> 01:23:18,359 and you'll understand the inherent truth 1832 01:23:18,361 --> 01:23:20,661 that despite our need to believe in an evil, 1833 01:23:20,663 --> 01:23:24,164 in a darker force, it just isn't true. 1834 01:23:24,166 --> 01:23:26,166 In the end, the only real boogeyman 1835 01:23:26,168 --> 01:23:28,402 is the one that lurks inside of us all, 1836 01:23:28,404 --> 01:23:32,506 waiting for just the right moment to emerge. 1837 01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:35,542 So what's the lesson behind this cautionary tale? 1838 01:23:35,544 --> 01:23:37,277 The warning here is simple... 1839 01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:40,347 be afraid, not of the story, 1840 01:23:40,349 --> 01:23:42,216 but of the storyteller. 147160

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