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(suspenseful music)
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- [Narrator] A senior
is found beaten to death
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with overkill.
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- The violence that occurred
to Lucile stood out.
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It was a severe beating.
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- [Narrator] If
she has no enemies,
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why does this murder
look personal?
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A relative seems
to hold a grudge.
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- Could Lucile
have been murdered
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by a family member in
cold blood over money?
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- [Narrator] And a serial
killer is on the loose,
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but no one knows why this
heinous crime has happened.
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- You start going
over everything again,
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and, "What have I missed,
what have I misinterpreted?"
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- [Narrator] Two decades later,
a hot tip warms a cold case.
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Now it's game on
to catch a killer.
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- It was eye-opening
that someone
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would do something like
this, it shocks you.
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- The unsolved ones,
we have to stand up.
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- And approach these cases
in a way outside the box.
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- Let the world
know, those out there
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that did commit a murder
and there are people
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that are coming after you.
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- There's just a lot
of good people trying
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to do the right thing.
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- Because it's
something that you have
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to be passionate about.
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- Solve this, bring some
peace to the family,
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at least, just doing my job.
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- [Narrator] It's a very
cold day in Holiday,
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a suburb of Salt Lake
City and known as one of
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the most safe and sought
after places in Utah to live.
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When Shirley England is unable
to reach her very active,
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and community-oriented
mother, Lucile Johnson,
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she drops into her
home to say hello.
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- Her mom's a very busy senior.
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It's more common than
not that Lucile Johnson
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will be very far from her phone,
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but Shirley England
sees very quickly
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that something's wrong.
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- [Narrator] Lucile
is lying at the end
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of the main floor hallway
in a pool of blood.
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A pillow over her face, blood
splattered around her head.
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- England's first thought
is that her mother
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has been hemorrhaging
and holding
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the pillow to her face
to absorb the blood.
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And, on her way to the
bathroom, she passes out.
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- [Narrator] She calls
911 and they suggest CPR,
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but it's clear to Shirley
that her mother is dead.
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But when she tells the operator
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there is a pillow over
her mother's face,
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Shirley England is shocked
when the operator asks,
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"Are you alone in the house?"
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- That's when she knows that
her mother has been murdered
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and she could be
alone with the killer.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] The operator
immediately dispatches police
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to the crime scene.
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- So I was off and got
a call that there was
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a dead body and it
looked suspicious.
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- [Narrator] Patrol officers
have already cleared the house
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when lead detective
Manny Lassig arrives.
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- I was the first homicide
detective on scene.
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The patrol officers, you know,
initially took me through
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and showed me what
they had seen.
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- Lucile Johnson lays in
a pool of blood at the end
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of the hall with her head
against the base of a door.
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- Now, there wasn't a
whole lot of ransacking
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that I could see,
but the violence
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that occurred to
Lucile stood out.
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There was a pillow
over her face.
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- The scene is quite
unusual for a neighborhood
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where normally a
very petite senior
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should have been
living in safety.
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- You know, fairly quiet street,
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decent sized lots
with nice homes
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in a neighborhood, an
upscale neighborhood.
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- [Narrator] Lucile Miner is
born in 1912 in Eureka, Utah.
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Kind, loving and accomplished,
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she's a graduate of the Latter
Day Saints Business College
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and a former member of the
Salt Lake Exchange Club.
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Lucile is active in the
Church of Jesus Christ
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of Latter Day Saints,
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president of the Utah
Broadcasting Association
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and president of the
Investment Center.
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She marries Howard
Johnson in 1933,
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and they are together
for almost 56 years
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before he passes away in 1989.
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Lucile Johnson is
independent and,
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after her husband's
death, continues
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to live in the same house where
they raised their children.
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She keeps in close
contact with her children,
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Shirley England
and Jerry Johnson.
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In the summer
months, Lucile is up
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by 6:00 AM working
in her garden.
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She spends her days caring
for elderly neighbors,
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or anyone else in need.
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Her grandchildren
take a high priority.
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She keeps toys stored in the
house for when they visit.
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- Lucile Johnson is
healthy, she still drives.
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She runs all her own
errands and she shares
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an interest in
genealogy with a nephew,
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and they work on family
projects together.
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He spends a lot of time
in the family home,
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and Lucile has helped him
financially for several years.
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- But the week
before her murder,
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Lucile tells him she is tired
of constantly being expected
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to contribute financially
and she is going
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to start cutting
back on support.
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- [Narrator] The
day of the murder,
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report is broadcast
on the local news.
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Lucile's son, Jerry
Johnson, hears
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his mother's address
announced on the radio,
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but doesn't hear why.
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At the murder scene
police collect
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the pillow that was
over the victim's face.
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(camera snapping)
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- Lucile is wearing a red
shirt covered with blood
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and her body is laying face up.
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There's blood spatter
on the walls and door.
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She fought for her life.
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- [Narrator] The height
of the blood splatter
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indicates the victim
is on the ground
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when she is savagely beaten.
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Near the front door and
across the living room,
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Lego bricks are scattered.
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Shirley, Lucile's daughter,
waves a red flag to police.
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- She said, "No,
that'd be outta order.
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"If somebody came over
to play those blocks
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"would be put away, you know,
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"if they didn't put 'em away,
she would put 'em away."
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She gave me some
history of her mom,
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how she was a real
meticulous housekeeper.
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She kept her house
real neat, clean.
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- The scene appears to
be a robbery gone bad.
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There are items missing,
a high-end purse,
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some rings and a necklace.
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However, there's other
valuable items left behind,
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like a wallet and
another necklace
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so it's not obviously
clear what happened here.
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- [Narrator] The only
clues detectives have
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are the blood soaked pillow
case and the pieces of Lego
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that are indicated out
of place by the daughter.
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- We gathered the
Lego blocks that were
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in the front room and went
through documented, you know,
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the scene where there
was some blood spatter
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on the walls down at the
end of the hallway, pillow,
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anything that would stand
out as far as evidence wise,
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we were there to
document and gather.
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- There's not a lot
to go on at this time.
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It's a very sparse scene
and, interestingly,
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there's no sign of forced entry.
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Lucile clearly opens the
door willingly to someone.
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- You had your front door
and then you had a storm door
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that went on it, it
had a latch on it
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and she would keep that
locked, and there were
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some Lego blocks out in the
driveway, we gathered those.
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- Detective Lassig
asked Lucile's daughter
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if a smooth talker could
have persuaded Lucile
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to open the door, but
Shirley is adamant
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that her mother would've never
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allowed a stranger
into her house.
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There doesn't seem to
be a reason for this,
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but authorities know something
the general public does not.
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In Utah, there appears to be
a serial killer on the loose,
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and who targets elderly
women who live alone.
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(discordant music)
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] An
active senior citizen
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is brutally murdered
in her own home.
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Only a few items are missing,
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and the only thing
out of place are a few
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of her grandchildren's Lego
pieces strewn on the floor.
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But police know
that a serial killer
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who targets elderly women in
their homes is on the loose.
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(dramatic music continues)
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Lucile Johnson is the
ninth elderly woman
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to be murdered in Salt Lake
City over a 10-year span.
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Between 1982 and 1991,
nine women over the age
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of 69 are found
murdered in their homes.
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- And police don't
know who's doing it,
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but they do suspect that Lucile
could be part of a pattern.
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- Authorities trace Lucile
Johnson's activities that day
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for clues of what
might have happened
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and who might have
crossed her path.
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The day of Lucile's murder,
she is typically active
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and in service of
others, she visits
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the senior citizen center,
she shops for groceries
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and drops off food for
a neighbor in need.
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- At the end of her busy
day, she's having problems
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with her vehicle, so she
takes it in for servicing.
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- [Narrator] She
has to leave her car
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so an employee from
the dealership drops
her off at home.
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- Lucile is last observed
alive in the afternoon.
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A neighbor sees her
sweeping the exterior porch
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of her house.
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- Shirley intends to
come over to Lucile's
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with a pizza after work,
but she's too tired,
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puts it off to the next day.
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Her daughter never
worries about Lucile,
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her very capable mother,
being left alone.
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(door bell ringing)
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(dramatic music continues)
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- [Narrator] The victim
sustains a vicious attack.
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There are 24 rib fractures
and her sternum is broken.
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- There was a lot of
beating to the head,
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chest, there was a bloody
footprint on her chest
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where she was
stomped on the chest.
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And when we got her
up to the, you know,
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medical examiner's
office, she died
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from blunt force trauma,
just a severe beating.
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- [Narrator] There
are injuries on
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the front, back and
side of her head.
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Two of the lacerations on
the head penetrate the skull.
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Those injuries suggest the
use of a bat, or a stick.
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- The killing is
excessively brutal
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given Lucile's petite's
size and advanced age.
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This degree of violence
suggests anger and revenge.
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This killing looked personal.
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And the autopsy made clear
that the victim fights back.
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- [Narrator] Fingernail
clippings are
taken and preserved
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in case Lucile managed
to scratch her attacker.
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- Little old, single, you know,
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widowed woman living by
herself in that house,
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you know, she's not
gonna be able to put up
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a whole lot of a fight.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Directly
after Lucile's killing,
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daughter Shirley
receives a strange
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and disturbing phone call
from Lucile's nephew.
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- It's just a week
earlier when Lucile tells
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the nephew that she's decreasing
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the financial support
she's giving him.
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Now, in the wake of
the brutal murder,
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he's even refusing
to offer condolences.
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- The nephew makes a comment
that's shockingly cold,
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and displays a frightening
lack of empathy.
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- [Narrator] "I have my
own feelings to deal with,
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"but there are things in
that house that belong to me,
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"and I want to be there
when you clean it out."
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- Shirley is reminded
that there is in fact
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one person who had a
problem with Lucile.
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As the story spreads, family
and friends are growing
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increasingly suspicious
of the nephew.
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Could Lucile have been murdered
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by a family member in
cold blood over money?
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At the funeral,
Shirley is hoping
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that her suspicions
are unfounded.
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She approaches the nephew,
but she's very disappointed.
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- [Narrator] "Even
at the funeral,
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"I kept thinking that, 'It
couldn't be, it couldn't be.'
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"I went over and tried
to give him a hug
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"and it was like a
block," Shirley England.
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- Lucile's extended
family grows suspicious
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of the nephew based
on his odd behavior.
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Investigators agree,
the nephew becomes
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a person of interest.
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- [Narrator] Lucile
Johnson is laid to rest
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at a memorial park in
East Mill Creek, Utah.
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And her nephew is taken by
police to be interviewed.
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- I came at him hard,
you know, it's not,
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"Well, did you do it, do you
want to tell me about it?"
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You come after him and you go
hard with him, and you push.
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He gave us his alibis, you
run every one of those down.
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Every sentence that
he gave you as far as,
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what I was doing that night,
where I was, who I was with.
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- Police compare
his footwear size
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to the bloody shoe print
found on Lucile's torso.
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It's not a match, and
his alibi checks out.
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The nephew is cleared
off the suspect list.
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- By the middle
of the next year,
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police have followed
all leads to no avail.
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And despite a possible
serial killer on the loose,
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police still don't have a
solid suspect for this murder.
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- There's frustration, you start
going over everything again
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and, you know, you got
your crime scene photos,
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you're looking at
'em all, you know,
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you're examining
each picture again,
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looking to see what is there,
did you miss something?
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"What have I missed, what
have I misinterpreted?"
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- This ferocious killing
of a vulnerable senior
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goes on the shelf, Lucile
Johnson's case goes cold.
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- And then, you box up
everything that you've got.
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And it gets put into archives.
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Yeah, it's a little
bit personal.
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If I didn't do everything
I could possibly do
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and there is this
evil person out there,
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preying on somebody else,
that's a tough pill to swallow.
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- Detectives have
no idea they've laid
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the perfect groundwork,
they just have
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to wait for the
technology to catch up.
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(dramatic music continues)
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(discordant music)
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- [Narrator] A well loved
senior citizen is murdered
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in a ferocious
attack in her home.
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She appears to be
the ninth in a string
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of serial murders
of elderly women.
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But when no suspects
are unearthed,
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her case goes into
cold case storage.
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- Although Lucile's case is
stalled, the investigation
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into the deaths of
female seniors continues
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and within a few
years it looks like
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there may be reason
to reopen her case.
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- [Narrator] Salt Lake City
is an idyllic community
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surrounded by natural beauty
with a strong central church.
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A relatively small population,
it's a peaceful area
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that is low on
unemployment and crime.
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- Utah has a dark past,
the state is ranked 9th
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in the US for the largest number
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of documented serial
killer victims.
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- [Narrator] In the
1970s, while a law student
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at the University of
Utah, Ted Bundy goes
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on a murder spree of
women and, eventually,
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stands trial for
kidnapping and murder.
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Arthur Gary Bishop is born
and raised in Salt Lake City,
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a high school honors
student, and member
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of the Church of
Latter Day Saints.
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He confesses to the
murder of five young boys
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and is put to death by lethal
injection in Utah in 1988.
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Gary Ridgway, born
in Utah, is known
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as the Green River Killer,
he preys on vulnerable women
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and is the second most prolific
serial killer in the US.
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- Over the span of a
decade, Utah police see
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a pattern in the murders of
elderly women in Salt Lake City.
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- So there was multiple
cases that were looked at
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at that time of elderly
women that had been murdered.
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- [Narrator] Daniel Troyer is
20 years old when he attempts
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to rape a 71-year-old
paraplegic woman in 1979.
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He is swiftly in custody
again for burglary
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and in prison until
the summer of 1985.
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Weeks later, 83-year-old
Drucilla Ovard
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of Salt Lake City
is brutally beaten,
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strangled, and
bludgeoned to death.
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- Detectives believe that the
killer hurts his right hand
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in the attack, so they
distribute a bulletin
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to patrol officers about a
potential daytime burglar
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with an injured right hand.
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Soon after, officers catch a man
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with a bandaged
right hand breaking
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into homes just blocks
from the murder scene,
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his name is Daniel Troyer.
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- [Narrator] Police
strongly suspect Troyer
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is involved in
the death of Ovard
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and her 69-year-old
neighbor, Thelma Blodgett,
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who is murdered six
days earlier, but
they can't prove it.
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- This time, Daniel
Troyer is sentenced
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to 15 years for burglary,
but is paroled again in 1988
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and released to a halfway house.
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Troyer applies for
barber college.
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Shortly after, Ethel Luckau,
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who lives very close to
the school, is killed.
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- [Narrator] Witnesses
report seeing Troyer
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near Luckau's home just two
days before she is murdered.
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- Police compare pubic
hair found on Luckau's body
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and it matches to Troyer.
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- In 1989, he is charged
with Ethel Luckau's murder.
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However, two years
later, the judge rules
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that certain evidence
is inadmissible and
gets thrown out.
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The district attorney appeals.
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- [Narrator] In 1996, the
Utah Supreme Court rules
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in favor of the DA and Troyer
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is recharged with
capital murder.
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In 1998, DNA testing is done
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from the Drucilla
Ovard crime scene,
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and Troyer's DNA is a match,
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so he is finally charged
with her murder as well.
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- In June 1999, Troyer
agrees to a plea deal.
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He pleads guilty to the
murders of Luckau and Ovard
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so that he can receive a
life without parole sentence,
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as opposed to the
death sentence.
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Authorities believe
he has killed others,
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but there's not enough
evidence to prove it.
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- Troyer looks like
the kind of killer
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that would target
Lucile Johnson.
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(dramatic music)
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- But police discover that
Daniel Troyer is in prison
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at the time Lucile was killed,
he did not kill Lucile.
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And with Troyer
eliminated as a suspect,
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the case goes cold
until 20 years later.
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(dramatic music continues)
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- [Narrator] Police
receive a tip
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from a nephew of a
man named John Sansing
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regarding a murder in 1991.
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The nephew states he hears
on more than one occasion,
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Sansing arguing with
his wife, Kara Sansing.
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She threatens to tell police
about an elderly woman
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he admits to killing
in Utah in 1991.
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- In 2013, detectives with
Utah's Unified Police Department
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in the Greater Salt
Lake Area look for cases
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that match this tip
and subsequently,
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look at the Lucile Johnson case.
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- In 2013, I was assigned
to our Violent Crimes Unit
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and part of my responsibilities
in that unit was
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to investigate
current homicides,
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as well as past
homicides, cold cases.
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(dramatic music continues)
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- [Narrator] In that same year,
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the US Department
of Justice provides
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a $300,000 cold case grant.
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It is for cases that
can potentially benefit
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from the advances in modern
forensic DNA technology.
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- When DNA first came
out, it was very,
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very expensive, time-consuming,
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you could go months before
you had any results.
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And this particular
grant that we had
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at the time was focused on DNA.
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And, as I reviewed
the case, I believe
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there was good
evidence in this case
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that we could test for DNA,
tests that weren't available
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in 1991, or even in the late
'90s for detectives to use.
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- [Narrator] Sergeant
Mike Ikemiyashiro,
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known as Sergeant Mike
Ike, oversees the decision
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of what pieces of evidence
will be used for DNA testing.
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- I looked at the clothing,
I looked at photos,
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I looked at items of evidence
collected from the autopsy.
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And, as I searched through
that, I made some decisions.
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- Sergeant Ike hopes
that the killer's DNA
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is embedded within the
fibers of the pillow,
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depending on how forcefully
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it was pressed down
to Lucile's face.
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- I identified some of the
items, clothing, a pillow case,
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and I submitted several
articles of evidence.
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And, in this case
specifically, the fingernails
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that were collected at
the time of autopsy.
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- And if Lucile
fought her killer,
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as police believe she did,
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there could be DNA
under her fingernails.
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- [Narrator] And CODIS
returns a hit, John Sansing.
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(dramatic music)
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Sergeant Ike is able to
tell Detective Lassig,
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who is one of the first
on the scene in 1991,
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that he's found a DNA hit
for Lucile Johnson's killer.
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- I let him know
about the CODIS hit,
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the identification, the process
that we'd be going through.
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And from a detective
that had that case
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in the '90s, the only thing
you could genuinely see
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in his eyes is that he was glad.
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I think that's another great
trait of good detectives
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There was no pride,
there was no resentment.
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He was just genuinely glad.
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- [Narrator] John
Sansing has a record
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of arrests that put
his DNA on file.
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In fact, he sits on death
row in an Arizona prison
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for a rape and murder in 1998.
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But Sergeant Ikemiyashiro
doesn't have enough
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to convict him in the
Lucile Johnson case... yet.
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- Although his DNA is found
under her fingernails,
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it could be there innocently.
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Police need to investigate
how Sansing crossed paths
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with Lucile because
they're going to need more,
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if they want to convict him.
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- [Narrator] Sergeant
Ikemiyashiro speaks
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to Sansing's wife, Kara, who's
presently in prison herself.
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She reports that
John Sansing worked
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in Salt Lake City County at
a car dealership in 1998.
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Lucile takes her car
in to be serviced
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on the day she is
killed and is given
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a ride home by someone
at the dealership.
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- The suspect, part of his
job responsibilities was
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to shuttle people back
while their vehicle
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was being serviced, so
he had the opportunity
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to see where she lived,
talk with her a little bit,
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and then returned
later in the evening
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when this attack occurred.
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- [Narrator] Still, this could
be argued as circumstantial
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and isn't enough
to seal the case.
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Sergeant Ike goes to Arizona
to interview John Sansing
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and investigate the
shocking killing
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00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:42,559
that lands John Sansing on
death row in an Arizona prison.
483
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,186
- Most repeat murders
have patterns,
484
00:26:45,186 --> 00:26:47,147
and these are details
that Sergeant Ike
485
00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:50,150
may be able to use to
prove beyond any doubt
486
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,652
that Sansing murdered
Lucile Johnson.
487
00:26:54,195 --> 00:26:56,489
- Everything is riding
on this interview.
488
00:26:57,782 --> 00:27:01,286
- This was a unique interview
because of the security issues
489
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,371
of the status that he was under.
490
00:27:03,371 --> 00:27:07,500
It was a crowded room with
a lot of security measures
491
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:11,921
in place, so it was very
tense from the very beginning.
492
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:20,638
(dramatic music)
493
00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:25,644
(dramatic music)
494
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,817
- [Narrator] A serial killer
of seniors is ruled out
495
00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:36,154
in Lucile Johnson's 1991 murder.
496
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:39,532
Evidence from the 20 year old
murder is sent for testing
497
00:27:39,532 --> 00:27:42,410
and the DNA search
reveals a suspect.
498
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:47,290
But DNA is not enough,
investigators travel
499
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,250
to interview the
suspect who sits
500
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:53,463
on death row for an
unrelated rape and murder.
501
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:57,050
(dramatic music continues)
502
00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:02,888
- When Sergeant Ike
interviews John Sansing,
503
00:28:02,888 --> 00:28:05,475
he doesn't mention
a specific case,
504
00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,895
but that he wants to know
the man's background history.
505
00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:14,442
Sansing talks, he
unwittingly places himself
506
00:28:14,442 --> 00:28:17,445
in Salt Lake City at
the time of the killing.
507
00:28:17,445 --> 00:28:20,699
This is the corroboration
that police need.
508
00:28:22,157 --> 00:28:24,536
- And the case that landed
Sansing on death row
509
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:28,707
offers Sergeant Ikemiyashiro
dark new insights.
510
00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:31,417
- [Narrator] 31-year-old
father of four,
511
00:28:31,417 --> 00:28:34,713
John Sansing, is high
on crack cocaine.
512
00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:40,927
He and his wife, Kara, need
more drugs, but they are broke.
513
00:28:42,345 --> 00:28:44,889
They decide to rob someone
for their valuables.
514
00:28:46,015 --> 00:28:48,226
- They also need to feed
their four children.
515
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,729
So John Sansing
comes up with a plan.
516
00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:55,483
He calls Living Springs
Church near Glendale,
517
00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:58,445
and arranges for a
charitable food delivery.
518
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:01,573
He'll get food, and rob
the delivery person.
519
00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:05,201
- [Narrator] At
approximately 5:00 PM
520
00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:08,288
41-year-old, Trudy
Calibrese arrives
521
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,665
at the Sansing home
with a box of food.
522
00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:13,543
She chats with the couple
and, as she attempts
523
00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:16,671
to leave, she is
attacked by Sansing.
524
00:29:17,797 --> 00:29:20,341
- The Sansing
children are present.
525
00:29:20,341 --> 00:29:22,802
They testify that Trudy
Calibrese begs them
526
00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:26,723
to call police, and cries
that she doesn't want to die.
527
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:29,017
Sansing beats her unconscious
528
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:34,105
with a club as she pleads
and prays, he binds her limbs
529
00:29:35,648 --> 00:29:37,776
and with help from his wife,
Kara, drags her into a bedroom.
530
00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:42,530
- [Narrator] Sansing orders his
children to watch television
531
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:45,909
in another room, but
they overhear events.
532
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,829
- At that point,
he rapes, tortures,
533
00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:53,958
and murders Trudy Calibrese
then, steals her jewelry.
534
00:29:53,958 --> 00:29:56,127
Afterwards, he looks out
the dining room window
535
00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:58,922
to make certain that no
one has seen anything.
536
00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:04,052
- Each of the four children
see Calibrese's dead body.
537
00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:07,055
Sansing ineffectually
tries to hide
538
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:10,183
the body behind a
shed in the backyard.
539
00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:12,811
He covers the body with
a pile of clothing.
540
00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:18,441
But the next day searchers
find Miss Calibrese's truck
541
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,277
in a parking lot near
the Sansing home.
542
00:30:22,445 --> 00:30:24,030
- [Narrator] Inside
there's a piece
543
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:26,449
of paper with the
Sansing address.
544
00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:28,201
When authorities
come looking for her
545
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:29,577
at the Sansing residence,
546
00:30:29,577 --> 00:30:33,081
they easily locate her
body behind the shed.
547
00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,709
Sansing, who has driven
to his sister's house,
548
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:40,505
admits to her that he and
Kara killed Trudy Calibrese.
549
00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:45,343
Eventually, John Sansing's
father telephones police
550
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:47,428
and reports his son's location.
551
00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:50,890
John Sansing knows
the police are coming.
552
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:54,853
He does not attempt to flee
and submits to custody.
553
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:57,730
- Sansing is charged
with first degree murder,
554
00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:00,567
kidnapping, sexual
assault, and armed robbery.
555
00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:03,152
His wife, Kara, is also charged
556
00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:05,446
with first degree
murder and kidnapping.
557
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,659
- [Narrator] John and
Kara Sansing plead guilty
558
00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:11,870
to first degree murder charges.
559
00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:15,331
- Kara Sansing claims
that she didn't see
560
00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:17,667
all of the murder and
she didn't say anything
561
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:20,587
because she was a battered
woman under John Sansing.
562
00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:23,131
Kara Sansing is
sentenced to 25 years
563
00:31:23,131 --> 00:31:25,884
and John Sansing receives
the death penalty.
564
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:29,387
- Sansing expresses a
desire for their children,
565
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,306
who are now in
foster care, to get
566
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:34,017
a permanent placement
and to go to church.
567
00:31:35,101 --> 00:31:37,896
(dramatic music)
568
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:43,234
- The similarities
between the 1998 murder
569
00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:46,237
of Trudy Calibrese
and the 1991 murder
570
00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:48,865
of Lucile Johnson
cannot be denied.
571
00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:50,825
Both female victims
were bludgeoned,
572
00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:53,244
strangled, and had
their jewelry stolen
573
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:57,165
making robbery the likely
motivation for the attacks.
574
00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:59,709
But it's still not
enough to prove anything.
575
00:32:00,877 --> 00:32:02,503
Sergeant Ike makes
the connection
576
00:32:02,503 --> 00:32:04,505
after finding out
Sansing's children
577
00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:06,966
were present for the
Calibrese murder.
578
00:32:08,092 --> 00:32:10,762
- [Narrator] Sergeant
Mike Ikemiyashiro sends
579
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:13,723
the Legos that were found
strewn in the living room
580
00:32:13,723 --> 00:32:16,935
in for latent fingerprint
testing analysis.
581
00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:19,520
- It was one thing
that seemed oddly
582
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,773
out of place on the
day of the murder.
583
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:25,401
Lucile was too neat and tidy
to leave toys lying around.
584
00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:30,490
- Small fingerprints are
found on Lego pieces.
585
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:32,742
Now, these could belong
to the grandchildren
586
00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:37,622
of Lucile Johnson, but Sergeant
Ike has a long shot idea.
587
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,875
- I actually met
with Kelsey Vail,
588
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:44,337
one of the latent
examiners at the state lab
589
00:32:44,337 --> 00:32:46,798
and talked to her
about the potential
590
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:50,426
of finding fingerprints
of a child,
591
00:32:50,426 --> 00:32:54,347
but then comparing them to
fingerprints of an adult.
592
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:57,558
They're just smaller prints,
but the ridge detail's gonna be
593
00:32:57,558 --> 00:32:59,686
the same, they're
just gonna be larger.
594
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,315
- Kids Lego could make
or break this case.
595
00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:07,110
(dramatic music)
596
00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:12,156
Sergeant Ike tracks
down Sansing's children.
597
00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:14,158
They're now adults in their 20s,
598
00:33:14,158 --> 00:33:16,160
but fingerprints never change.
599
00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:18,830
- Myself and my partner
that went with me,
600
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,957
we actually carried
around, at the time,
601
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,042
a portable fingerprint station,
602
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:26,879
so ink pads, rollers,
fingerprint cards.
603
00:33:26,879 --> 00:33:29,841
And as we interviewed
the children,
604
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,093
we asked them if
they would provide us
605
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,095
with a sample of
their fingerprints.
606
00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:37,098
Obviously, at that time, I
wasn't disclosing information
607
00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:39,726
as to what I was
specifically looking for
608
00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:43,521
other than trying to find
some comparisons to this case.
609
00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:47,191
- Police matched the
prints of Sansing's son,
610
00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:50,069
who was five at the time,
on Lego bricks found
611
00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:54,532
at Lucile's home, he was there
at the time she was killed.
612
00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:58,494
- Maybe I was a little
naive, but there are people
613
00:33:58,494 --> 00:34:01,873
in the world that will
bring family along
614
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:04,625
to commit crimes,
and it's a tough one.
615
00:34:05,752 --> 00:34:07,378
- [Narrator] "When
you hear the details
616
00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:09,172
"of this particular
case, you can see
617
00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:12,592
"that this individual
is barely human,"
618
00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:15,511
Salt Lake County
Sheriff, Jim Winder.
619
00:34:15,511 --> 00:34:19,265
(dramatic music continues)
620
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:25,480
(discordant music)
621
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,109
(dramatic music)
622
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:37,075
A DNA match is made on
the cold case murder
623
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:39,911
of Lucile Johnson,
but it turns out
624
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:43,498
that the suspect connected
is already in prison.
625
00:34:44,623 --> 00:34:46,501
- John Sansing already
sits on death row
626
00:34:46,501 --> 00:34:50,171
for the brutal rape and
killing of Trudy Calibrese.
627
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,424
But because of DNA and
of fingerprints found
628
00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:55,968
on Lego at the crime
scene, he is charged
629
00:34:55,968 --> 00:34:58,930
with murder of a second
woman, Lucile Johnson.
630
00:35:00,014 --> 00:35:02,725
- John Sansing goes
into overkill to torture
631
00:35:02,725 --> 00:35:05,311
and prey upon the
weak and vulnerable.
632
00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:08,606
What happened to him
to make him this way?
633
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:12,568
(dramatic music continues)
634
00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:16,322
- [Narrator] John
Sansing grows up
635
00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:18,574
in a broken home in Alabama.
636
00:35:18,574 --> 00:35:20,993
He's a thief and a drug addict,
637
00:35:20,993 --> 00:35:24,080
and his mother can't keep him
out of juvenile detention.
638
00:35:25,331 --> 00:35:28,376
In 1984, she is fed
up with his behavior
639
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:31,129
and sends him to
his father in Utah.
640
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:34,799
Sansing his little to do with
his biological father there
641
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:36,843
and he doesn't
complete high school.
642
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:41,889
He meets his wife, Kara,
at a Salt Lake City mall.
643
00:35:43,181 --> 00:35:47,520
Kara Sansing runs away from
an abusive home in Bangladesh
644
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,774
as a child and winds
up in a Calcutta jail.
645
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:54,610
She's adopted from
India in her teens.
646
00:35:55,777 --> 00:35:57,488
And her adoptive
mother describes her
647
00:35:57,488 --> 00:36:00,366
as a very tough youth who
is negatively impacted
648
00:36:00,366 --> 00:36:03,786
by the harsh conditions
that she escapes.
649
00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:07,582
- Their relationship is
volatile with both using drugs.
650
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,750
John beats Kara regularly.
651
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,210
They have four
children together,
652
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:14,505
none of whom are spared
their worst behavior.
653
00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:17,175
(somber music)
654
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,304
(dramatic music)
655
00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:23,848
One mystery that remains
about the night of the murder
656
00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:26,809
is how Sansing gained
entry into the home.
657
00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:28,895
Lucile's daughter
was sure her mother
658
00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:31,522
would never open the
door to a stranger.
659
00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:32,648
(door bell ringing)
660
00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:35,067
It's now suspected
that Sansing uses
661
00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,945
his own five-year-old
son as a decoy.
662
00:36:37,945 --> 00:36:40,823
For whatever reason,
Sansing gave Lucile,
663
00:36:40,823 --> 00:36:43,492
she likely relented out
of her inherent kindness
664
00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:44,952
towards children.
665
00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:47,788
- [Narrator] "It's
speculative as to whether
666
00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:49,873
"the child was a
ruse that was used,
667
00:36:49,873 --> 00:36:54,212
"but it's certainly
a possibility,"
Lieutenant Justin Hoyal.
668
00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:58,716
- And while Sansing
kills Lucile, it appears
669
00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:00,593
he leaves his
five-year-old son to play
670
00:37:00,593 --> 00:37:04,472
with the Lego pieces she's
saved for her grandchildren.
671
00:37:06,056 --> 00:37:08,726
(dramatic music)
672
00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:11,103
- [Narrator] In 1993, two years
673
00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:12,980
after he murders Lucile Johnson
674
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:15,690
and gets away with it,
Sansing pleads guilty
675
00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:18,361
to attempted aggravated assault,
676
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,906
a class A misdemeanor,
in a separate case.
677
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:27,245
Two years later, in 1995,
Sansing moves to Arizona.
678
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:31,290
It is there, in 1998, that
he murders Trudy Calibrese
679
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,710
and is swiftly apprehended
and sentenced to death.
680
00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:38,965
(dramatic music continues)
681
00:37:38,965 --> 00:37:42,468
Over 20 years later, John
Sansing's son confirms
682
00:37:42,468 --> 00:37:45,763
he recalls being with his
father in Lucile Johnson's home
683
00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:48,140
on the night of
February 1st, and says
684
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:51,768
he has been traumatized
since the murder took place.
685
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,648
- I do feel bad for
his kids, you know,
686
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:57,565
the things that have
occurred by his father,
687
00:37:57,565 --> 00:37:59,110
and things that he's witnessed.
688
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:01,362
In talking with him and
and looking at his history,
689
00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:03,864
there's been quite a
bit of substance abuse
690
00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:06,826
and, obviously, that
takes a toll on people.
691
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:12,707
- [Narrator] A
subsequent interview
692
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,543
with Kara Sansing confirms
her husband admits
693
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:17,545
to her around the
time of the murder
694
00:38:17,545 --> 00:38:20,256
that he kills an elderly
woman in Holiday.
695
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:22,967
- There was things
that I believe
696
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:25,428
she was being completely
truthful about.
697
00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:29,515
I believe there's things
that she was probably trying
698
00:38:29,515 --> 00:38:32,310
to hide, or minimize,
you know, her role.
699
00:38:33,768 --> 00:38:35,771
- Sansing is formally
charged with the murder
700
00:38:35,771 --> 00:38:38,565
of Lucile Johnson in 2014.
701
00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:40,860
Despite Sansing already
being on death row,
702
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:43,863
Detective Ikemiyashiro affirms.
703
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,033
- [Narrator] "It's very
important that we prosecute
704
00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:51,495
"this case for the family,"
Detective Mike Ikemiyashiro.
705
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:53,664
- It's important
knowledge for the officers
706
00:38:53,664 --> 00:38:56,834
who dedicate themselves
to the pursuit of justice.
707
00:38:58,127 --> 00:39:00,880
- There's no way you can't
take it home at night.
708
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,050
The facts are what that
physical evidence tells you.
709
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:06,969
Someone bludgeoned
this woman to death
710
00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:09,347
in her home for no good reason.
711
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:11,724
That motivates
you as a detective
712
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:13,726
to find out not
only who did this,
713
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,104
but to ensure that you build
a case that brings justice
714
00:39:17,104 --> 00:39:20,315
to the decedent,
and to their family.
715
00:39:20,315 --> 00:39:23,402
(suspenseful music)
716
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:30,826
- 47-year-old
Sansing pleads guilty
717
00:39:30,826 --> 00:39:32,703
to the murder of Lucile Johnson.
718
00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:36,082
He receives an additional
sentence of life in prison,
719
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:38,376
and sits on death
row in Arizona.
720
00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:42,922
- There's no other word I can
think of other than a monster.
721
00:39:42,922 --> 00:39:46,133
No regard for his children,
no regard for the victim.
722
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:49,053
Just trying to fuel
that drug addiction.
723
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,098
I don't know what
normal person would do
724
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:54,392
something like that
other than a monster.
725
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,021
- It turns out to be a
monumental turning point piece
726
00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:02,690
of evidence that 20 years
earlier, detectives chose
727
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:06,987
to bag a few seemingly
random pieces of Lego.
728
00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:11,117
- There's something there in
the scene that is standing out
729
00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:14,245
that isn't normal, or
whatever, you take it,
730
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:15,621
is it evidence?
731
00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:16,956
I don't know.
732
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:18,958
You don't take it,
you'll never know.
733
00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:20,918
Had I not taken the
Lego blocks there's
734
00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:25,214
a possibility this
would never been solved.
735
00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:29,135
- Through a federal grant
designed for cold cases,
736
00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:32,138
Lego evidence revived
this investigation,
737
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:35,641
and Lucile Johnson's
killer is now known.
738
00:40:35,641 --> 00:40:38,436
(dramatic music)
739
00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:44,775
- Lucile's son, Jerry Johnson,
remembers the day he heard
740
00:40:44,775 --> 00:40:47,194
on the radio his
mother's address,
741
00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:49,905
but didn't connect
it with a murder.
742
00:40:49,905 --> 00:40:51,198
He says he remembers
then hearing
743
00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:54,285
a voice say to him,
"She's with me."
744
00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,496
- [Narrator] "I just had
a very peaceful feeling
745
00:40:57,496 --> 00:40:59,248
"come over me.
746
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:03,127
"That peace has been with me
ever since," Jerry Johnson.
747
00:41:04,335 --> 00:41:07,131
- Jerry Johnson says that he
and his siblings are relieved
748
00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:10,551
to learn that Lucile was not
killed by someone she knew.
749
00:41:12,011 --> 00:41:15,139
- [Narrator] "I think
forgiveness is what closure is.
750
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:19,477
"I think we already
have forgiven Sansing,"
Jerry Johnson.
751
00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:23,189
- But Shirley England says,
discovering her mother dead
752
00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:26,942
in 1991 has caused
her ongoing trauma
753
00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:29,027
that will probably never end.
754
00:41:29,027 --> 00:41:32,156
She's grateful to police
for what they did for her,
755
00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:35,451
but she doesn't think she'll
ever find true closure.
756
00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:37,161
- Did we give 'em closure?
757
00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:39,622
I don't know if that
was there for them,
758
00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:43,709
but I feel good about
that, as an organization,
759
00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:46,212
we did everything we
could for that family.
760
00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:51,008
- Whether it takes a few
short years, or decades,
761
00:41:51,008 --> 00:41:53,677
DNA evidence can
expose the guilty,
762
00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:55,513
and bring them to justice.
763
00:41:57,097 --> 00:41:58,933
- [Narrator] "You
commit a crime like this
764
00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:00,809
"in this community,
to our dying days,
765
00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:04,438
"we are going to pursue
you, we will hunt you down
766
00:42:04,438 --> 00:42:06,607
"and we will solve
these crimes,"
767
00:42:06,607 --> 00:42:09,527
Salt Lake County
Sheriff, Jim Winder.
768
00:42:11,027 --> 00:42:14,364
- This is one of the cases that
brought a lot of fulfillment
769
00:42:14,364 --> 00:42:16,909
to me in my career
because I was able to see
770
00:42:16,909 --> 00:42:20,913
how the case affected the
family, how that gave them
771
00:42:20,913 --> 00:42:23,582
what they'd been looking
for, for over 20 years.
772
00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:25,334
That's what makes it worthwhile,
773
00:42:25,334 --> 00:42:27,545
and that's what motivates you.
774
00:42:28,754 --> 00:42:31,549
(dramatic music)
775
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,556
(suspenseful music)
776
00:42:54,738 --> 00:42:58,742
(suspenseful music continues)
63449
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