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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,661 --> 00:00:12,055 [horse neighs] 4 00:00:12,099 --> 00:00:13,491 [hooves clopping] 5 00:00:17,626 --> 00:00:21,499 [ethereal music] 6 00:01:01,322 --> 00:01:02,932 [Yvette] I'll never forget the first time 7 00:01:02,975 --> 00:01:04,803 that I saw a wild horse. 8 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:12,376 It was right at the edge of dawn, 9 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:15,510 when the sky was in that special shade between blue and purple. 10 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,994 And I thought, in that moment, 11 00:01:22,038 --> 00:01:23,996 they looked like ghosts of the desert. 12 00:01:24,039 --> 00:01:29,089 ♪ 13 00:02:26,233 --> 00:02:28,844 It was a journey none of us expected to go on. 14 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,632 Encountering such extraordinary beauty... 15 00:02:36,852 --> 00:02:39,071 and traversing the vast Western US. 16 00:02:43,859 --> 00:02:46,949 We were searching for the answer to one question. 17 00:02:48,906 --> 00:02:51,127 Why are wild horses disappearing? 18 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:57,960 [helicopter whirring] 19 00:02:58,003 --> 00:03:02,399 At first, what we discovered sounded like a conspiracy... 20 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:09,189 until we realized it was. 21 00:03:22,853 --> 00:03:24,900 [music fades] 22 00:03:24,943 --> 00:03:29,470 Anyone who says magic is gone from the world 23 00:03:29,513 --> 00:03:32,124 hasn't been in the wild with horses. 24 00:03:38,957 --> 00:03:40,524 There's a famous quote 25 00:03:40,567 --> 00:03:42,483 that I'd love for you to think about, 26 00:03:42,526 --> 00:03:44,224 as we take you through this journey. 27 00:03:47,749 --> 00:03:52,319 "We need the tonic of wildness. 28 00:03:52,362 --> 00:03:57,889 We require that all things be mysterious and unexplorable. 29 00:03:57,933 --> 00:04:00,762 That the land and the sea be indefinitely wild. 30 00:04:03,155 --> 00:04:06,724 Unfathomed by us, because they are unfathomable. 31 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,121 We can never have enough of nature." 32 00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:22,523 Most people don't know... 33 00:04:22,566 --> 00:04:25,874 that wild horses even exist in our country. 34 00:04:29,094 --> 00:04:31,314 Representing purity, 35 00:04:31,358 --> 00:04:33,838 and power, and freedom. 36 00:04:40,802 --> 00:04:43,195 We originally began this project 37 00:04:43,239 --> 00:04:45,676 as a love letter to wild horses. 38 00:04:47,765 --> 00:04:49,332 And to gather footage for a film 39 00:04:49,376 --> 00:04:51,508 that I was directing at the time. 40 00:04:51,552 --> 00:04:54,119 A modern-day retelling ofBlack Beauty. 41 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:59,342 It's little known that Anna C. Wells' classic 42 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:02,214 wasn't necessarily written as a children's book. 43 00:05:03,651 --> 00:05:05,957 It was an animal welfare plea, 44 00:05:06,001 --> 00:05:08,003 to protect the horses of her time. 45 00:05:11,223 --> 00:05:14,488 Like most people, we had no idea 46 00:05:14,531 --> 00:05:19,580 that wild horses were being rounded up in mass numbers, 47 00:05:19,623 --> 00:05:22,539 taken away from their homes and their families... 48 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:27,109 put into government holding facilities, 49 00:05:27,152 --> 00:05:28,589 never to gallop again. 50 00:05:28,632 --> 00:05:31,156 [horses neighing] 51 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,942 So, after the credits rolled onBlack Beauty, 52 00:05:33,985 --> 00:05:35,465 we decided to keep going. 53 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:38,990 But little did we know, 54 00:05:39,034 --> 00:05:42,254 beyond the extraordinary beauty of wild horses, 55 00:05:42,298 --> 00:05:44,387 they had an enemy. 56 00:05:44,431 --> 00:05:46,128 One that was well-funded 57 00:05:46,171 --> 00:05:50,175 and full of lies, deceit, and corruption. 58 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:56,138 We had no idea we were about to enter a war. 59 00:05:56,181 --> 00:05:57,792 We just got to Delta. 60 00:05:57,835 --> 00:06:00,577 We're not allowed to view the holding facility, 61 00:06:00,621 --> 00:06:03,101 even though it's a BLM holding facility. 62 00:06:03,145 --> 00:06:05,147 There's Kai, we've got officers, 63 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:06,670 I'm not sure what we're about to encounter. 64 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,109 The famous Onaqui Horses were just rounded up, 65 00:06:11,153 --> 00:06:14,199 and they said that we couldn't come observe. 66 00:06:14,243 --> 00:06:16,593 So, we came anyway. 67 00:06:16,637 --> 00:06:18,813 The horses are just being unloaded from the trucks. 68 00:06:18,856 --> 00:06:20,771 [horses neighing] 69 00:06:20,815 --> 00:06:23,687 This is... [sighs] 70 00:06:23,731 --> 00:06:25,036 ...this is really hard to see. 71 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,387 [somber music] 72 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:32,261 [horses whinnying] 73 00:06:32,304 --> 00:06:35,177 I think one of the worst things in doing all of this... 74 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:36,961 [helicopter whirring] 75 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:38,876 ...was watching their freedom get taken away. 76 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,661 -Gosh, that sound is-- -[man 1] I know, it's terrible. 77 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,185 And we've been listening to it for hours now, 78 00:06:43,228 --> 00:06:45,666 -for two hours, it's horrible. -[Yvette sighs] 79 00:06:45,709 --> 00:06:47,668 And our question was... 80 00:06:47,711 --> 00:06:49,974 why? 81 00:06:50,018 --> 00:06:52,412 Why is this happening to wild horses? 82 00:06:54,588 --> 00:06:58,287 Aren't they living symbols of America? 83 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,464 Aren't they supposed to be federally protected? 84 00:07:01,508 --> 00:07:04,206 And if wild horses live on public land, 85 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:05,512 which they do... 86 00:07:06,817 --> 00:07:08,166 ...don't the people have a say? 87 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:09,907 [crowd chanting] Stop the choppers! 88 00:07:09,951 --> 00:07:12,649 Isn't this our land? 89 00:07:12,693 --> 00:07:13,998 [crowd chanting] Stop the choppers! 90 00:07:14,042 --> 00:07:15,478 Stop the choppers! 91 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:17,175 [Yvette] But before we go forward, 92 00:07:17,219 --> 00:07:19,482 let's go back. 93 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:24,095 To understand where wild horses really came from, 94 00:07:24,139 --> 00:07:26,620 and why they, like other species, 95 00:07:26,663 --> 00:07:29,013 such as wolves, coyotes, 96 00:07:29,057 --> 00:07:31,581 trout and sage-grouse, 97 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:33,670 are being scapegoated 98 00:07:33,714 --> 00:07:39,023 and knowingly eradicated from our public lands. 99 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:42,331 Because unless we do something... 100 00:07:42,374 --> 00:07:44,464 wild horses will disappear... 101 00:07:45,421 --> 00:07:46,683 forever. 102 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:52,646 [Yvette speaking Indigenous language] 103 00:07:55,953 --> 00:07:58,216 My name is Dr. Yvette Running Horse Collin 104 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:01,219 and I'm an Oglala Lakota researcher and scientist. 105 00:08:01,263 --> 00:08:02,873 And I'm an administrator 106 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:05,789 for the He'Sapa Unity Alliance Council of Elders. 107 00:08:05,833 --> 00:08:08,792 So, Western science and academia now agrees 108 00:08:08,836 --> 00:08:11,795 that the horse originated in North America. 109 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,624 However, they say that all the horses died out 110 00:08:14,668 --> 00:08:18,672 in North and South America during the last Ice Age, 111 00:08:18,715 --> 00:08:22,153 which is around 13,000 to 11,000 years ago, 112 00:08:22,197 --> 00:08:25,026 until Columbus reintroduced them 113 00:08:25,069 --> 00:08:27,245 in the late 1400s. 114 00:08:27,289 --> 00:08:30,379 Many, many, many species survived the Ice Age. 115 00:08:30,422 --> 00:08:32,773 For example, the elk, the antelope, 116 00:08:32,816 --> 00:08:36,211 of course, we had the wolf, the bear, the bison. 117 00:08:36,254 --> 00:08:38,039 So, I find it very interesting, 118 00:08:38,082 --> 00:08:40,868 why they would focus on the horse. 119 00:08:40,911 --> 00:08:44,611 Contrary to what Western academia has put forward, 120 00:08:44,654 --> 00:08:47,788 our people say, we always had the horse. 121 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:50,399 History is often told by the conqueror. 122 00:08:50,442 --> 00:08:53,141 There were many accounts in the Spanish chronicles 123 00:08:53,184 --> 00:08:56,840 of multiple quadrupeds, right, four-legged animals 124 00:08:56,884 --> 00:08:59,060 everywhere, all over the place. 125 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:03,847 There were also accounts where Native peoples and horses 126 00:09:03,891 --> 00:09:06,241 were reported as living together 127 00:09:06,284 --> 00:09:08,809 in a domestic-type situation. 128 00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:12,029 There is a great deal of fossil evidence 129 00:09:12,073 --> 00:09:14,075 to prove that the horses 130 00:09:14,118 --> 00:09:15,903 did not go extinct in the Americas 131 00:09:15,946 --> 00:09:18,558 and that they indeed had a relationship 132 00:09:18,601 --> 00:09:20,385 with different Native peoples. 133 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:24,825 This issue has not been properly scientifically researched. 134 00:09:24,868 --> 00:09:27,349 What would happen... 135 00:09:27,392 --> 00:09:30,613 if it's understood and widely accepted 136 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:32,572 that the horse survived the Ice Age? 137 00:09:32,615 --> 00:09:36,227 And, in fact, some of that blood is still in the wild horses 138 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:39,753 that roam these lands today. 139 00:09:39,796 --> 00:09:43,017 If the United States follows its own laws, 140 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:47,369 they would then be protected by the Endangered Species Act. 141 00:09:47,412 --> 00:09:50,067 Not only would they be protected, 142 00:09:50,111 --> 00:09:53,375 it also protects the lands that they call home. 143 00:09:53,418 --> 00:09:57,292 They wouldn't be available for extraction, uh, for mining. 144 00:09:57,335 --> 00:09:59,947 They would have to be kept pure 145 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:01,905 and allowed to live in balance. 146 00:10:06,562 --> 00:10:09,086 [plane roaring faintly] 147 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:13,613 The wild horse war has been going on 148 00:10:13,656 --> 00:10:16,398 for a long time. 149 00:10:16,441 --> 00:10:21,272 In 1971, President Nixon stepped in to help. 150 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:22,926 The president had been moved 151 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:25,581 by the plight of wild horses and burros 152 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:28,062 after he received thousands of letters 153 00:10:28,105 --> 00:10:30,368 sent in by children, 154 00:10:30,412 --> 00:10:32,806 a campaign organized by Velma Johnson, 155 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:36,461 better known as "Wild Horse Annie." 156 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:39,073 The president opened his remarks on the bill 157 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:42,206 by quoting Henry David Thoreau. 158 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:45,645 "We need the tonic of wildness," he began. 159 00:10:47,081 --> 00:10:49,561 Congress unanimously passed 160 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:55,219 the Wild and Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971. 161 00:10:55,263 --> 00:10:57,439 Which stated that they should be protected 162 00:10:57,482 --> 00:11:03,663 from capture, branding, harassment, and death. 163 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:08,929 It became starkly black and white to us 164 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:12,759 how much that law was being violated, 165 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:14,935 and how little had changed. 166 00:11:17,154 --> 00:11:19,200 We did not embark on this 167 00:11:19,243 --> 00:11:21,419 to become investigative reporters. 168 00:11:23,291 --> 00:11:26,903 But we also refused to stand idly by, 169 00:11:26,947 --> 00:11:30,124 after witnessing such antiquated cruelty 170 00:11:30,167 --> 00:11:32,387 still happening today. 171 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:35,259 We very calmly asked and we said it is our right... 172 00:11:35,303 --> 00:11:36,652 -Yep. Yeah. -...as journalists, 173 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:37,914 as public observers, to go over there 174 00:11:37,958 --> 00:11:39,655 and point our camera-- 175 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:41,091 And-- and we feel that for the safety of everybody, 176 00:11:41,135 --> 00:11:42,963 and the coordination of this group, 177 00:11:43,006 --> 00:11:45,095 we want to keep you here, so that's what we're gonna do. 178 00:11:45,139 --> 00:11:46,749 [crewmember] A minute ago, it was for our safety, 179 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:49,360 now you're saying it's 'cause we're emotional. 180 00:11:49,404 --> 00:11:51,232 [man] Well, emotion runs into that. 181 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:53,625 If people are getting emotional, how do you control people? 182 00:12:03,374 --> 00:12:05,725 [birds chirping] 183 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:11,034 [Yvette] Today, wild horses are under attack, 184 00:12:11,078 --> 00:12:14,255 perhaps more than ever before. 185 00:12:14,298 --> 00:12:16,561 The law President Nixon championed 186 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:18,825 is being ignored. 187 00:12:18,868 --> 00:12:20,914 And even worse, 188 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:23,960 the Bureau of Land Management is currently trying to reduce 189 00:12:24,004 --> 00:12:26,397 wild horse populations down 190 00:12:26,441 --> 00:12:29,313 to what President Nixon considered to be... 191 00:12:29,357 --> 00:12:31,794 extinction level. 192 00:12:31,838 --> 00:12:36,625 The president's policy contained one fatal flaw. 193 00:12:36,668 --> 00:12:38,975 The Wild Horse and Burro Act grants 194 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:42,413 the Bureau of Land Management sole authority 195 00:12:42,457 --> 00:12:45,155 to determine the amount of wild horses 196 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:47,418 that can roam free on public land. 197 00:12:48,419 --> 00:12:50,160 Since 1971, 198 00:12:50,204 --> 00:12:53,990 the BLM has set the appropriate amount to zero 199 00:12:54,034 --> 00:12:57,080 in nearly 50% of herd management areas 200 00:12:57,124 --> 00:13:01,345 initially protected at a federal level. 201 00:13:01,389 --> 00:13:04,000 But to get to the bottom of all of this, 202 00:13:04,044 --> 00:13:08,309 we felt like we needed to start with the horses. 203 00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:11,138 We needed to go out into the wild. 204 00:13:12,313 --> 00:13:14,924 [delicate music] 205 00:13:14,968 --> 00:13:18,319 Our journey began in Utah, 206 00:13:18,362 --> 00:13:20,843 with the famous Onaqui horses. 207 00:13:20,887 --> 00:13:25,935 ♪ 208 00:13:29,199 --> 00:13:31,680 You come to a place like this 209 00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:35,597 and the horses are right off the road. 210 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,686 And that's probably why they're arguably 211 00:13:37,729 --> 00:13:39,731 the most famous horses in the country. 212 00:13:42,604 --> 00:13:44,214 The more time we spent with them... 213 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:48,349 we began to learn about their families. 214 00:13:54,268 --> 00:13:56,226 There were the curious foals, 215 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:57,967 the watchful mothers... 216 00:14:00,056 --> 00:14:04,017 the playful adolescents, and the bachelors. 217 00:14:06,062 --> 00:14:07,672 There were stallions 218 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:09,631 that battled for mares and dominance... 219 00:14:09,674 --> 00:14:11,024 [horses braying] 220 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:14,810 And the more quirky personalities. 221 00:14:21,512 --> 00:14:23,906 It was clear how much they were just like us. 222 00:14:31,609 --> 00:14:33,960 We got to know the rhythm of their lives 223 00:14:34,003 --> 00:14:36,397 and how they had been given names, 224 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,095 like Stargazer and Moon Drinker. 225 00:14:41,054 --> 00:14:45,058 The cremello and his best friend, the black. 226 00:14:45,101 --> 00:14:48,235 The powerful bay roan who is very protective 227 00:14:48,278 --> 00:14:50,933 over his mares, the perlino sisters. 228 00:14:52,804 --> 00:14:55,938 There was one stallion with piercing blue eyes, 229 00:14:55,982 --> 00:15:00,551 that someone called Norman, and the name stuck. 230 00:15:00,595 --> 00:15:03,946 Norman was part of what's called bachelor band, 231 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:05,774 which means a group of young stallions 232 00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:08,385 who hang out together. 233 00:15:08,429 --> 00:15:13,782 His two best friends were Rowan and Rudy. 234 00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:16,306 Our favorite family didn't have any names, 235 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:19,919 so we called the stallion, Wind Knot, 236 00:15:19,962 --> 00:15:22,834 and his chestnut foal, Suncatcher. 237 00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:29,972 When we first saw them, there were over 500 horses, 238 00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:34,411 but the most famous proved elusive. 239 00:15:34,455 --> 00:15:39,895 He was a legendary white stallion called Old Man. 240 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,853 The Gandalf of the mountains. 241 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,338 This place was like a fairytale. 242 00:15:50,384 --> 00:15:53,300 And it was right here for all of us. 243 00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:59,001 But only two months after we first visited them, 244 00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:02,135 we found out the Onaqui were going to be rounded up, too. 245 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,617 We realized at that point, 246 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:11,535 as filmmakers, we had a duty to protect them. 247 00:16:11,579 --> 00:16:16,062 Not only the Onaqui, but all wild horses. 248 00:16:16,105 --> 00:16:21,110 But this issue has been going on for over 100 years. 249 00:16:21,154 --> 00:16:22,851 How were we gonna make a difference? 250 00:16:25,723 --> 00:16:27,682 As they usually did, the horses guided us. 251 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:33,470 Right to the good people that could help. 252 00:16:33,514 --> 00:16:35,168 [Kimerlee] Hi, I'm Kimerlee Curyl, 253 00:16:35,211 --> 00:16:37,822 and I am a wild horse photographer and advocate 254 00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:40,695 for keeping our wild horses on our public lands. 255 00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:43,176 [Erik] My name is Erik Molvar, I'm a wildlife biologist, 256 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:45,091 and I'm also the Executive Director 257 00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:46,744 of Western Watersheds Project, 258 00:16:46,788 --> 00:16:48,442 a conservation group dedicated to protecting 259 00:16:48,485 --> 00:16:50,052 and restoring wildlife and watersheds 260 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:51,445 throughout the American West. 261 00:16:51,488 --> 00:16:52,968 [Kimerlee] So, I've been coming out 262 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:56,015 to the Onaqui Range since 2000-- 2009. 263 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:58,017 But my first visit out here, of course, 264 00:16:58,060 --> 00:17:00,584 was beyond magical and life-changing. 265 00:17:00,628 --> 00:17:02,586 To drive out here, 266 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:06,329 I did not expect to be immersed in such a large herd of horses. 267 00:17:06,373 --> 00:17:07,983 To walk amongst them, 268 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:09,854 feel like I became part of the herd that week. 269 00:17:09,897 --> 00:17:13,641 And unfortunately, that fall, there was an "emergency roundup" 270 00:17:13,684 --> 00:17:16,383 and they stripped these horses down to-- 271 00:17:16,425 --> 00:17:18,950 the last I read, was somewhere between 50 and 75, 272 00:17:18,993 --> 00:17:21,214 and that was in 2009. 273 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:23,390 [Erik] Here we are in the-- in the middle of the Red Desert, 274 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:27,262 and it's one of the largest unfenced tracts of public land 275 00:17:27,307 --> 00:17:29,048 anywhere remaining in North America. 276 00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:32,703 The Red Desert is one of the real biological hot spots 277 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:34,488 in the American West. 278 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,577 One of the places where the ecosystems are healthiest, 279 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:38,666 where the biodiversity is greatest. 280 00:17:38,709 --> 00:17:41,147 And this is an area that used to have 281 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:43,018 thousands and thousands of wild horses, 282 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,847 but has been subjected to heavy roundups 283 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:47,457 by the Bureau of Land Management, 284 00:17:47,501 --> 00:17:49,546 and now, they're getting quite rare. 285 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:51,026 In the Western United States, 286 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:54,247 there are less than 100,000 wild horses. 287 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:57,685 There are two million cattle that are set loose 288 00:17:57,728 --> 00:17:59,904 on Western Public Lands every year, 289 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:01,776 and who knows how many million sheep. 290 00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:05,127 The Bureau of Land Management recently did an analysis 291 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:06,955 and determined that pretty much 292 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:09,088 all of the wild horse areas in the Red Desert 293 00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:11,873 are meeting the thriving natural ecological balance 294 00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:13,570 that's required by federal law. 295 00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:16,573 And yet, the agency wants to take away 296 00:18:16,617 --> 00:18:18,053 thousands of these horses, 297 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,446 even though the land is in great shape. 298 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,317 [Kimerlee] It's also frustrating that 299 00:18:21,361 --> 00:18:23,972 if you were to look at a graph of the, what is it, 300 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:27,149 245 million acres of public lands that we have 301 00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:30,413 and you look at how much is allotted for cattle, 302 00:18:30,457 --> 00:18:34,635 and then you look at the very small fraction for horses, 303 00:18:34,678 --> 00:18:36,506 you just got to do the math on that. 304 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:39,509 [Erik] Wild horses forage a lot more like bison. 305 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:42,947 Horses can forage ten, 20 miles away from water. 306 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:44,427 So, they have a lighter impact 307 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:47,256 on the overall health of the vegetation. 308 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:51,608 Whereas cattle will forage right next to water sources. 309 00:18:51,652 --> 00:18:53,828 And these are the biodiversity hot spots, 310 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:56,178 the oases out here in the arid lands. 311 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:59,312 So, if you have really heavy overgrazing, 312 00:18:59,355 --> 00:19:00,748 close to water, 313 00:19:00,791 --> 00:19:02,489 you're wiping out the biodiversity 314 00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:04,839 not just of the vegetation, but of all the animals, 315 00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:09,322 the insects, the birds, that depend on that. 316 00:19:09,365 --> 00:19:11,411 Wild horses have always been an easy scapegoat 317 00:19:11,454 --> 00:19:12,760 for the livestock industry, 318 00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:14,588 because they don't want to admit 319 00:19:14,631 --> 00:19:17,199 that their cattle and sheep, and the huge numbers of them, 320 00:19:17,243 --> 00:19:19,593 that are overgrazing chronically, year after year, 321 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:21,943 are the problem with land health in the American West. 322 00:19:21,986 --> 00:19:25,207 This is a-- a simple case of the federal government 323 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:27,340 doing the bidding of a handful of privileged 324 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:31,213 livestock permitees that want the horses gone. 325 00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:34,956 They're pointing to basically an innocent victim 326 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:36,784 in all of this. 327 00:19:36,827 --> 00:19:39,526 Perhaps the biggest issue facing Bureau of Land Management 328 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:43,094 is the agency's incompetence itself. 329 00:19:43,138 --> 00:19:46,533 [Yvette] We left the Red Desert with two new allies. 330 00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:51,059 And in 2019, we experienced our first roundup. 331 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:54,671 Which was a massive removal of over 800 horses 332 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:58,066 in the Triple B area of Nevada. 333 00:19:58,109 --> 00:19:59,937 But before we get into the darker stuff, 334 00:19:59,981 --> 00:20:02,636 I think it's probably time to introduce our team. 335 00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:04,203 [Ed] Uh, Wyoming cell service 336 00:20:04,246 --> 00:20:06,596 isn't the best cell service in the world. 337 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,511 [Richard] That's why we're listening to Alanis Morissette. 338 00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:10,470 [Yvette] The driver is my husband, Ed. 339 00:20:10,513 --> 00:20:13,908 He's my partner in all things. 340 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,649 [Richard] That's a lot of sand. 341 00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:18,347 The sarcastic one is my younger brother, Richard. 342 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:20,915 There's Kai, our brilliant cinematographer, 343 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:23,222 and our two first ACs, 344 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:25,311 who rotated during different trips, 345 00:20:25,354 --> 00:20:27,835 Brianna and Rocio. 346 00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:30,359 There was our set photographer, Marcello, 347 00:20:30,403 --> 00:20:34,058 and our puppy, Whiskey, who grew up along the journey. 348 00:20:34,102 --> 00:20:36,365 [Richard] This ferocious snarling hell hound right here. 349 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:38,106 [Yvette] As for me, 350 00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:39,629 I was usually editing from the front seat, 351 00:20:39,673 --> 00:20:43,981 or running off to find the horses. 352 00:20:44,025 --> 00:20:46,288 A film crew is like a family, 353 00:20:46,332 --> 00:20:49,291 and we are fortunate to have such a passionate team of people 354 00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:51,206 who endured long hours 355 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,643 and sometimes questionable motel rooms 356 00:20:53,687 --> 00:20:56,646 to tell this story. 357 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:58,648 We drove through the night to get to Ely, 358 00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:01,347 and braced ourselves for what was to come the next day. 359 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:06,395 [Richard] We say goodbye to the... 360 00:21:06,439 --> 00:21:08,005 historic Hotel Nevada 361 00:21:08,049 --> 00:21:10,356 and Gambling Hall and Denny's today. 362 00:21:11,748 --> 00:21:13,141 Now we are officially 363 00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:15,056 in the middle of absolutely nowhere. 364 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:17,363 [Ed] I want to know who even found these horses 365 00:21:17,406 --> 00:21:18,886 and decided they need to be rounded-- 366 00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:20,191 -[Richard] Exactly. -[Yvette] Look around. 367 00:21:20,235 --> 00:21:22,324 Like, you can't even see them. 368 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:26,197 [Richard] But, guys, look how overpopulated it is. 369 00:21:26,241 --> 00:21:31,290 [Yvette] The Triple B HMA is over 1.2 million acres. 370 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:34,205 An HMA means Herd Management Area, 371 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:36,338 basically the amount of land 372 00:21:36,382 --> 00:21:39,385 wild horses are allowed to be free. 373 00:21:39,428 --> 00:21:41,343 The BLM justified this roundup, 374 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,041 where they planned to take up to 800 horses 375 00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:45,869 away from their homes, 376 00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:48,698 by citing unnecessary degradation to the land 377 00:21:48,742 --> 00:21:51,092 and wanting to restore a thriving, 378 00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:55,357 natural ecological balance for multi-use. 379 00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:58,317 There were an estimated 3,000 horses 380 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,841 across all of this land. 381 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:03,365 But the BLM wanted to reduce them down 382 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:06,368 to as low as 474. 383 00:22:06,412 --> 00:22:08,065 To give you an idea, 384 00:22:08,109 --> 00:22:11,982 that's one horse per roughly 2,500 acres 385 00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:15,334 or 1,900 football fields. 386 00:22:15,377 --> 00:22:18,119 This is what's called an Appropriate Management Level, 387 00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:20,121 or AML. 388 00:22:20,164 --> 00:22:22,602 Essentially, the amount of wild horses 389 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:26,475 the Bureau of Land Management states the land can sustain. 390 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:27,998 But in 2013, 391 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:30,392 the National Academy of Sciences, 392 00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:33,656 a group of independent bipartisan scientists, 393 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,615 stated that the AMLs 394 00:22:35,658 --> 00:22:38,487 were not supported by scientific information, 395 00:22:38,531 --> 00:22:41,272 but the BLM is still using them 396 00:22:41,316 --> 00:22:46,103 to round up thousands of wild horses every year. 397 00:22:46,147 --> 00:22:50,064 Also stating that they're starving and overpopulated, 398 00:22:50,107 --> 00:22:51,674 a repetitive narrative 399 00:22:51,718 --> 00:22:53,850 that we kept hearing in the media, 400 00:22:53,894 --> 00:22:55,417 which was also supported 401 00:22:55,461 --> 00:22:56,853 by some of the ranchers in the area. 402 00:22:56,897 --> 00:22:58,594 [Richard] It's going to get bumpy. 403 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:00,727 [Yvette] Now, if you dig a little deeper, 404 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:04,339 wild horses shared that land with livestock, 405 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:07,908 with up to 7,300 privately owned cattle 406 00:23:07,951 --> 00:23:10,432 and 36,000 sheep, 407 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:12,521 which are authorized to graze 408 00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:16,743 in the wild horse complex every year. 409 00:23:16,786 --> 00:23:18,266 Now, you might assume 410 00:23:18,309 --> 00:23:20,442 it's just mom and pop ranchers, 411 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:23,489 who get to graze their livestock cheaply on public lands, 412 00:23:23,532 --> 00:23:25,708 but they're not. 413 00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:29,930 A large number of them are millionaires, billionaires, 414 00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:33,542 and billionaire corporations on Forbes Rich List. 415 00:23:33,586 --> 00:23:35,718 [music fades] 416 00:23:35,762 --> 00:23:39,940 [upbeat music playing over radio] 417 00:23:39,983 --> 00:23:41,245 [Richard] Okay. 418 00:23:44,771 --> 00:23:46,860 [Richard huffs] 419 00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:48,470 Way over there. 420 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:51,168 [Yvette] We've got ten minutes to be set up. 421 00:23:51,212 --> 00:23:54,345 We just brought about 400 pounds of gear. 422 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:56,652 [panting] Oh, God. 423 00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:59,350 Quarter mile. 424 00:23:59,394 --> 00:24:02,266 -[sighs] They are far away. -[Yvette] Oh, my God. 425 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:03,572 [whispering] Do you think they see us? 426 00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:05,269 -[Richard] Yeah. We're on. -Okay. 427 00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:08,925 [Yvette] We were placed on top of a mountain, 428 00:24:08,969 --> 00:24:12,494 miles away from where the helicopters began. 429 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:14,888 If we didn't have a massive zoom lens, 430 00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:18,326 we wouldn't have been able to see anything. 431 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:20,459 We also weren't allowed to put up umbrellas, 432 00:24:20,502 --> 00:24:22,983 even though the heat was over 100 degrees, 433 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:25,899 because they said it would scare the horses. 434 00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:27,988 [helicopter whirring] 435 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,482 The horses were run for miles. 436 00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:46,920 As they got closer, 437 00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:50,358 we saw their coats glistening with sweat, 438 00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:52,621 and babies at the point of exhaustion. 439 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:57,278 The helicopters then drove them into the trap site, 440 00:24:57,321 --> 00:25:01,282 which was purposefully blocked from view. 441 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:03,937 This is often where the injuries happen. 442 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:07,027 Where horses break their legs or their necks, 443 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:10,204 trying to escape, or get back to their families. 444 00:25:12,206 --> 00:25:15,775 We wondered where that many horses would go, 445 00:25:15,818 --> 00:25:19,126 and why the BLM had a publicist. 446 00:25:19,169 --> 00:25:21,781 [Jenny] Um, so, that historical part, 447 00:25:21,824 --> 00:25:24,653 you know, obviously, they-- they weren't just here. 448 00:25:24,697 --> 00:25:26,307 [Yvette] Mm-hmm. 449 00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:29,092 Something kind of came along after the Ice Age. 450 00:25:29,136 --> 00:25:30,441 Yeah, right. 451 00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:32,835 -To replenish-- -[crosstalk] 452 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:34,489 You know, being able to survive 453 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,926 in a natural ecological balance. 454 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:39,581 Green as this looks, you know, they're not gonna eat the sage, 455 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:41,409 they're not gonna eat-- 456 00:25:41,452 --> 00:25:43,193 'cause there's not sufficient foraged water for them. 457 00:25:43,237 --> 00:25:46,153 [Yvette] It was the same narrative again. 458 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:47,676 And with all due respect to Jenny, 459 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,460 I'm a horse person, 460 00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:51,462 and the horses that we saw getting rounded up 461 00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:54,248 were fat and healthy. 462 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:57,512 This was just the beginning of the string of lies 463 00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,166 that would be purported 464 00:25:59,209 --> 00:26:01,603 by Bureau of Land Management publicists. 465 00:26:01,647 --> 00:26:03,431 But then, all of a sudden, 466 00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,955 they asked us to swing our camera around 467 00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:08,784 and point it in the opposite direction. 468 00:26:08,828 --> 00:26:10,612 They said horses were coming in. 469 00:26:10,656 --> 00:26:12,658 It wasn't true. 470 00:26:12,701 --> 00:26:14,268 Where we were looking, 471 00:26:14,311 --> 00:26:16,400 we noticed that a foal had collapsed 472 00:26:16,444 --> 00:26:20,535 and a lone Wrangler was riding out toward it. 473 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,885 What happened next is heartbreaking to see. 474 00:26:24,757 --> 00:26:26,280 But it's important to show 475 00:26:26,323 --> 00:26:29,544 the blatant disregard for life, 476 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:33,896 and the cruelty with which these horses are treated. 477 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:36,029 That baby was maybe a month old. 478 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:44,124 Five foals died due to the roundup. 479 00:26:44,167 --> 00:26:46,039 One was reported by the BLM 480 00:26:46,082 --> 00:26:49,259 to have sustained injuries during transport. 481 00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:52,393 Possibly meaning the baby was trampled to death 482 00:26:52,436 --> 00:26:54,569 in the trailer. 483 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:57,877 Another died due to water toxicity in holding, 484 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,620 which can medically indicate fatal dehydration 485 00:27:01,663 --> 00:27:05,885 and muscle fatigue from being run so hard. 486 00:27:05,928 --> 00:27:09,149 The outrage we felt was indescribable. 487 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:10,803 And how expansive is that, 488 00:27:10,846 --> 00:27:12,674 that the helicopters just appear for that long 489 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:13,980 and then they're racing these horses... 490 00:27:14,023 --> 00:27:15,590 -[Ed] Yeah. Yeah. -...for miles. 491 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,158 Driving them at a gallop for miles? 492 00:27:18,201 --> 00:27:20,421 I-- I mentioned the family dynamics at the Onaqui herd. 493 00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:22,684 And she basically stopped at me and said... 494 00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:24,468 [Richard] Yeah, "A wild animal's a wild animal." 495 00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:25,948 [Yvette] Yeah, they just mate with each other and-- 496 00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,776 [Richard] Some people are animal lovers, 497 00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:29,560 but they don't respect how intelligent they actually are. 498 00:27:29,604 --> 00:27:30,953 [Ed] Yeah. They just can't. 499 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,520 [Yvette] That's just-- that's just-- 500 00:27:32,563 --> 00:27:34,696 that's ignorance, that's willful ignorance. 501 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,003 [Kai] Look, how could-- could those trucks 502 00:27:37,046 --> 00:27:41,137 filled with horses, come all the way here... 503 00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:43,400 -[Yvette] And then come back. -...then come back that fast? 504 00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:47,927 [Kai] That's some conspiracy-- conspiracy shit. [groans] 505 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:49,798 Just keep rolling the whole time, okay? 506 00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:52,148 [Kai] Yep. Yep. 507 00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:56,065 [Jenny] They want to feed and water these horses 508 00:27:56,109 --> 00:28:01,157 and let them settle before we have a bunch of bodies again. 509 00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:03,856 Yeah. [muffled speech] 510 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:05,509 [Kai speaking indistinctly] 511 00:28:05,553 --> 00:28:07,337 We do not have that on [muffled speech] horses. 512 00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:11,864 [Yvette] We had to wait for several hours 513 00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:14,083 before we got to see the horses up close. 514 00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:18,871 [somber music] 515 00:28:21,917 --> 00:28:23,876 When we were finally allowed to go in, 516 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:28,750 we were only allowed to set the camera down a few times. 517 00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:31,144 A ranger with a gun had been with us all day, 518 00:28:31,187 --> 00:28:34,930 and several other BLM employees were armed. 519 00:28:34,974 --> 00:28:37,890 It seemed a little excessive for a couple of filmmakers 520 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:41,763 and a handful of wild horse advocates. 521 00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,591 In the short time that we had, 522 00:28:43,634 --> 00:28:47,029 we managed to capture some very upsetting images 523 00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:50,119 of the horses of Triple B who had lost their freedom. 524 00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,036 Once they got to holding, 525 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,909 the Bureau of Land Management euthanized multiple horses, 526 00:28:56,952 --> 00:28:59,912 including those they deemed blind, 527 00:28:59,955 --> 00:29:03,611 even though they had survived just fine in the wild. 528 00:29:03,654 --> 00:29:06,875 Euthanasia in this situation usually isn't done 529 00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:10,052 with a humane injection. 530 00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:13,839 That's one of the reasons the employees carry guns. 531 00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:17,930 They often shoot the horses to put them down at holding. 532 00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:20,671 And we wondered if this was one of the reasons 533 00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:25,676 we had to wait several hours before we got to see them. 534 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,552 Sixteen horses lost their lives in the roundup of Triple B. 535 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:34,860 Very few would ever see their families again. 536 00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:39,516 It was heartbreaking to think 537 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,389 that this was going to happen to our beloved Onaqui herd, 538 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:46,872 and that their families would suffer the same fate. 539 00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:51,311 It also started to make us ask deeper questions. 540 00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:54,009 Who are we to look down on animals 541 00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:57,099 like they're lesser or secondary? 542 00:29:57,143 --> 00:29:58,840 After all, 543 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:01,451 humans are social animals, just like horses. 544 00:30:01,495 --> 00:30:03,236 And there are plenty 545 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,022 of other indisputable similarities between us. 546 00:30:07,066 --> 00:30:11,157 To say wild horses don't have feelings or families 547 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,204 seemed like a form of human exceptionalism, 548 00:30:15,248 --> 00:30:18,468 self-delusion, arrogance, 549 00:30:18,512 --> 00:30:21,428 especially given we're the only species 550 00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:24,605 willfully destroying our own planet. 551 00:30:24,648 --> 00:30:28,870 So, perhaps, that makes animals superior to us. 552 00:30:28,914 --> 00:30:31,220 In rare places in the United States 553 00:30:31,264 --> 00:30:32,918 that actually maintain 554 00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:35,790 a thriving, natural ecological balance, 555 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,967 such as Yellowstone, or Glacier National Park, 556 00:30:39,011 --> 00:30:42,710 the animals and habitat flourish. 557 00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:44,407 These are places where predators, 558 00:30:44,451 --> 00:30:46,496 like wolves and mountain lions, 559 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:49,630 aren't killed to make way for livestock. 560 00:30:49,673 --> 00:30:54,417 But balanced places like this are few and fast-disappearing, 561 00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:56,811 just like wild horses. 562 00:30:56,855 --> 00:31:00,684 If we want to have a chance at living in harmony, 563 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:05,298 doesn't that mean protecting and re-wilding our world 564 00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:07,909 instead of destroying it? 565 00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:12,392 All of these larger questions started with the Onaqui. 566 00:31:12,435 --> 00:31:14,350 The protection of this herd 567 00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:17,397 began to represent something greater. 568 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,921 We decided to ask for support. 569 00:31:19,965 --> 00:31:21,792 From not only the community 570 00:31:21,836 --> 00:31:23,142 fighting hard to protect them, 571 00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:25,144 but from children. 572 00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:28,103 And something miraculous happened. 573 00:31:28,147 --> 00:31:31,802 We began receiving thousands of letters 574 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:34,370 from people all over the world, 575 00:31:34,414 --> 00:31:39,245 who joined us in standing with wild horses. 576 00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:42,726 Perhaps there is hope for the Onaqui yet. 577 00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:45,729 ["Horse with No Name" by America playing] 578 00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:54,173 ♪ On the first part of the journey ♪ 579 00:31:54,216 --> 00:31:58,090 ♪ I was looking at all the life ♪ 580 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:02,137 ♪ There were plants and birds and rocks and things ♪ 581 00:32:02,181 --> 00:32:06,620 ♪ There was sand and hills and rings ♪ 582 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:10,232 ♪ The first thing I met was a fly with a buzz ♪ 583 00:32:10,276 --> 00:32:14,628 ♪ And the sky with no clouds 584 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:17,979 ♪ The heat was hot and the ground was dry ♪ 585 00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:21,809 ♪ But the air was full of sound ♪ 586 00:32:21,852 --> 00:32:24,290 ♪ I've been through the desert ♪ 587 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:26,074 ♪ On a horse with no name 588 00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:29,512 ♪ It felt good to be out of the rain ♪ 589 00:32:29,556 --> 00:32:33,647 ♪ In the desert, you can't remember your name ♪ 590 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:37,999 ♪ 'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain ♪ 591 00:32:38,043 --> 00:32:41,524 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 592 00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:45,702 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 593 00:32:45,746 --> 00:32:49,184 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 594 00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:52,796 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 595 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,410 ♪ After two days in the desert sun ♪ 596 00:32:57,453 --> 00:33:00,804 ♪ My skin began to turn red ♪ 597 00:33:00,848 --> 00:33:04,808 ♪ After three days in the desert fun ♪ 598 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:08,203 ♪ I was looking at a river bed ♪ 599 00:33:08,247 --> 00:33:12,468 ♪ And the story it told of a river that flowed ♪ 600 00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:16,603 ♪ Made me sad to think it was dead ♪ 601 00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:18,431 ♪ You see I've been through the desert ♪ 602 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:20,650 ♪ On a horse with no name 603 00:33:20,694 --> 00:33:24,219 ♪ It felt good to be out of the rain ♪ 604 00:33:24,263 --> 00:33:28,049 ♪ In the desert, you can't remember your name ♪ 605 00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:32,010 ♪ 'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain ♪ 606 00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:36,057 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 607 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:39,887 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 608 00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:43,891 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 609 00:33:43,934 --> 00:33:46,850 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 610 00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:53,292 ♪ 611 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:07,393 ♪ After nine days, I let the horse run free ♪ 612 00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:11,092 ♪ 'Cause the desert had turned to sea ♪ 613 00:34:11,136 --> 00:34:14,965 ♪ There were plants and birds and rocks and things ♪ 614 00:34:15,009 --> 00:34:19,447 ♪ There was sand and hills and rings ♪ 615 00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:22,842 ♪ The ocean is a desert with its life underground ♪ 616 00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:26,760 ♪ And a perfect disguise above ♪ 617 00:34:26,803 --> 00:34:30,545 ♪ Under the cities lies a heart made of ground ♪ 618 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:34,376 ♪ But the humans will give no love ♪ 619 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:36,639 ♪ You see I've been through the desert ♪ 620 00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:38,424 ♪ On a horse with no name 621 00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:42,123 ♪ It felt good to be out of the rain ♪ 622 00:34:42,167 --> 00:34:46,083 ♪ In the desert, you can't remember your name ♪ 623 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:50,130 ♪ 'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain ♪ 624 00:34:50,175 --> 00:34:54,047 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 625 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:57,878 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 626 00:34:57,921 --> 00:35:02,012 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 627 00:35:02,056 --> 00:35:06,191 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 628 00:35:06,234 --> 00:35:09,716 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 629 00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:13,285 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 630 00:35:13,328 --> 00:35:17,158 ♪ La-la-la, la-la-la 631 00:35:17,202 --> 00:35:19,639 ♪ La-la-la, la-la 632 00:35:19,682 --> 00:35:21,510 [music fades] 633 00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:24,731 [gentle folk music] 634 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,864 [Yvette] Our journey took us over 20,000 miles 635 00:35:27,908 --> 00:35:33,000 across 13 different states and diverse landscapes. 636 00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:37,004 The Red Desert turned into lush forest. 637 00:35:37,047 --> 00:35:39,833 And there were a few places that struck us most of all. 638 00:35:44,011 --> 00:35:45,708 They were the horses of Heber, 639 00:35:45,752 --> 00:35:48,058 living in the Sitgreaves National Forest. 640 00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:51,888 And in the woodlands of Oregon, 641 00:35:51,932 --> 00:35:54,413 these horses had rare bloodlines 642 00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:56,589 thought to have died out many years ago, 643 00:35:56,632 --> 00:35:58,808 until the Kiger were found. 644 00:36:01,855 --> 00:36:03,509 We also wanted to speak with ranchers 645 00:36:03,552 --> 00:36:05,337 to get their side of the story. 646 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:09,079 Surely not every rancher wanted wild horses gone. 647 00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:12,300 I'm Stacey Davies, Manager of Roaring Springs Ranches 648 00:36:12,344 --> 00:36:14,128 in French Glen, Oregon. 649 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,175 We have, on those ranches, three Herd Management Areas, 650 00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:20,656 South Steens, Beatys Butte, and the Kigers. 651 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:22,919 [Kathy] I am Kathy Gibson Boatman. 652 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,008 I was born here in Arizona. 653 00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:27,489 Um, I'm an eighth-- seventh generation 654 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:29,926 involved in cattle ranching in Arizona. 655 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:31,580 I love horses. 656 00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:33,930 I-- I mean, I'm a rancher because I love horses. 657 00:36:33,974 --> 00:36:36,237 And the wild horses are such an icon. 658 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:37,847 They keep the trails open, 659 00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:40,720 they utilize foraging areas the cows won't go. 660 00:36:40,763 --> 00:36:43,375 And we feel like they're part of the multiple use 661 00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:44,898 that should happen on that range land. 662 00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:47,030 [Kathy] The government gave homesteads, 663 00:36:47,074 --> 00:36:49,294 encouraging people to come and settle 664 00:36:49,337 --> 00:36:51,209 the wild western frontier 665 00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,124 because it was a wild, wild western place, 666 00:36:54,168 --> 00:36:56,910 you know, still had Indians doing battle, 667 00:36:56,953 --> 00:37:01,175 and the Historic Preservation Act of 1966 requires 668 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,613 that they consider how their decisions impact 669 00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:08,704 our historic resources and our cultural traditions. 670 00:37:08,748 --> 00:37:12,142 [Stacey] The Kiger HMA would be somewhere around 30,000 acres. 671 00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:15,058 They generally keep it right around 100 head of horses. 672 00:37:15,102 --> 00:37:16,756 How-- how do you count every single horse 673 00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:18,410 on a single given day? 674 00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:21,804 I've heard there's anywhere from 1,000 to 2,500. 675 00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:25,634 It all depends on what area you're counting those horses in. 676 00:37:26,722 --> 00:37:29,290 7,000 that they know of. 677 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:30,944 [Stacey] When they set these herds up, 678 00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:35,035 it was recognized that any one herd below 300 679 00:37:35,078 --> 00:37:37,429 would not mean enough genetic diversity 680 00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:39,344 to maintain a healthy population. 681 00:37:39,387 --> 00:37:41,041 There was a big argument 682 00:37:41,084 --> 00:37:44,392 that we should not have herds of less than 300. 683 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:47,003 So, people, especially advocates, 684 00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:50,268 are currently asking for a look at AML. 685 00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:53,401 And that many of these AMLs are too low, 686 00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:56,448 and that too much forage was allocated to livestock 687 00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:57,797 and not enough to horses. 688 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,277 And-- and I'm asking 689 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,540 rather than have that s-- small debate, 690 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:04,586 that we have a much bigger national debate. 691 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:07,807 Let's look at the whole program at the top and come down, 692 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:11,680 and how many horses is enough for the US government to own? 693 00:38:11,724 --> 00:38:15,336 I think it's wrong to-- to say that every one of these HMAs 694 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,338 should have 300 to 500 head, 695 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,906 so you have enough genetic diversity, 696 00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:21,473 because I don't think the BLM needs 697 00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:24,084 200,000 horses on the range. 698 00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:26,478 I think 20,000's probably enough. 699 00:38:26,521 --> 00:38:28,088 And that wasn't really the intention 700 00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:30,090 of the Wild Horse and Burro Act. 701 00:38:30,133 --> 00:38:34,355 The intention of the Horse-- the Wild Horse and Burro Act 702 00:38:34,399 --> 00:38:36,444 was not to just set up some creatures 703 00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:38,968 as though they were unicorns for people to look at, 704 00:38:39,012 --> 00:38:40,666 who just magically appeared. 705 00:38:40,709 --> 00:38:42,711 There was just an overpopulation. 706 00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:45,584 Therein lies the horse herd that we are dealing with now. 707 00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:47,281 Ha-- have they tested them genetically 708 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,544 to show their lineage? 709 00:38:49,588 --> 00:38:52,155 There's talk of that, but they say it's not-- 710 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,333 not feasible, not viable, not a viable option. 711 00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:57,335 Congress has allocated every dollar 712 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:59,032 for the Wild Horse and Burro program 713 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:01,251 that BLM's ever asked for. 714 00:39:01,295 --> 00:39:03,341 So, you-- if you ask BLM that question, 715 00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:05,517 they'll say, "We don't have enough money." 716 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,868 BLM is not creative. 717 00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:11,436 They are bureaucratic, 718 00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:13,568 they don't think outside the box, 719 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:17,093 they are not innovative, and I think they should be. 720 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:20,140 The ranchers are part of the solution. 721 00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:22,664 All of the good ground is private land, 722 00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:24,579 all intermingled with public land. 723 00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:27,321 So, if you take my public grazing permit away from me 724 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,236 and I fence off my private land, 725 00:39:29,279 --> 00:39:31,760 I screw up the HMA completely, 726 00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:33,501 'cause those horses can no longer move 727 00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:36,417 throughout 40 acres with a reservoir in the middle. 728 00:39:36,461 --> 00:39:39,159 We fence off the 40, the horses die. 729 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:40,900 So, what do we own? 730 00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:42,815 We own all the water. 731 00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:46,427 So, there's an interdependence between public and private land. 732 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,256 I hope that we can have continued discussions 733 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:52,433 about what wild horse-friendly ranching looks like 734 00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,522 and it can include the BLM. 735 00:39:54,566 --> 00:39:56,916 We can have that programmatic review. 736 00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:59,092 And if Congress really wants to work on this issue, 737 00:39:59,135 --> 00:40:00,528 that's what they would do. 738 00:40:00,572 --> 00:40:02,095 [Yvette] To date, 739 00:40:02,138 --> 00:40:03,575 there have been no legal roundups 740 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:05,968 of the Heber horses. 741 00:40:06,012 --> 00:40:09,450 Though the Forest Service is currently pushing for one. 742 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:12,105 However, in the '80s and '90s, 743 00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:15,021 the Forest Service colluded with ranchers 744 00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:17,371 to round up dozens of Heber horses 745 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:21,027 and sell them at auction. 746 00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:24,900 These places can often lead to the slaughter pipeline. 747 00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:28,208 [Stacey] Death is an interesting topic. 748 00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:32,430 So, humans, and especially North American humans, 749 00:40:32,473 --> 00:40:34,693 don't deal with death very well. 750 00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:36,999 To me, there's just this total disconnect 751 00:40:37,043 --> 00:40:40,350 between what's humane and not humane. 752 00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,701 Now, is the trader right inhumane, 753 00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:44,485 or are they handled poorly in the corral? 754 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:46,269 We can have a discussion around that. 755 00:40:46,313 --> 00:40:48,097 But the actual death? 756 00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:50,143 There's no better way than to go with a stun gun. 757 00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:52,972 [snaps finger] Done. 758 00:40:53,015 --> 00:40:55,017 [Yvette] But in Mexico, some of those deaths 759 00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:56,932 in those slaughter plants are just-- I-- 760 00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:59,152 So, let's do it in the US, where we can control it. 761 00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,329 Horse meat's great meat. 762 00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:04,940 There was great uses for it before. 763 00:41:04,984 --> 00:41:06,638 So, let's do it in the US, 764 00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:08,422 where we can control the manner in which it's done. 765 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:11,033 We can have humane handling of the animals, 766 00:41:11,077 --> 00:41:12,731 right up until their death. 767 00:41:12,774 --> 00:41:14,384 Far more humane 768 00:41:14,428 --> 00:41:15,603 than what they're going through on the range. 769 00:41:15,647 --> 00:41:17,475 I've had people tell me, 770 00:41:17,518 --> 00:41:18,780 "Well, the ranchers should get their own private land, 771 00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:19,999 or go back to-- go to Texas." 772 00:41:20,042 --> 00:41:21,696 Well, I've been to Texas, 773 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:24,220 and they're selling off private ranches there. 774 00:41:24,264 --> 00:41:27,876 And they're selling them to be game preserves, you know? 775 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,356 I don't know how you feel about it, 776 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:32,054 but I don't really want to eat zebra. 777 00:41:32,098 --> 00:41:35,797 ♪ 778 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:37,669 [Yvette] By this stage, 779 00:41:37,712 --> 00:41:40,541 we had gotten familiar with the slaughter pipeline. 780 00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:42,325 And we had gotten to know some of the players 781 00:41:42,369 --> 00:41:44,980 that run kill pens. 782 00:41:45,024 --> 00:41:48,375 Basically feedlots or auctions, 783 00:41:48,418 --> 00:41:51,596 where kill buyers purchase horses and burros 784 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,249 to send to slaughter. 785 00:41:54,642 --> 00:41:56,252 In the United States, 786 00:41:56,296 --> 00:41:58,254 slaughtering horses to sell their meat 787 00:41:58,298 --> 00:42:01,649 for human consumption is not legal. 788 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:04,086 However, it's not illegal 789 00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:08,351 to send them across the border to Canada and Mexico. 790 00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:12,878 We wanted to get down to Texas to take a look for ourselves. 791 00:42:12,921 --> 00:42:15,315 Of course, we couldn't bring regular film cameras 792 00:42:15,358 --> 00:42:19,885 into places like these, so we had to be covert. 793 00:42:19,928 --> 00:42:22,496 -Which button is it? -[Yvette's dad] Top one. 794 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:23,976 Oh, my God, that is a freaking-- 795 00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:25,760 -[Yvette's dad] Yup. -[Richard] That's-- 796 00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:27,370 [Yvette's dad] Do you see the screen here, though? 797 00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:28,763 Where? 798 00:42:28,807 --> 00:42:30,025 [Yvette's dad] Right here in my hand? 799 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:32,419 I can't move it too far. 800 00:42:32,462 --> 00:42:33,768 [Yvette] My husband, Ed, was in the middle 801 00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:35,596 of producing another movie, 802 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,033 so my dad joined my brother and I on this trip 803 00:42:38,077 --> 00:42:41,123 for an added layer of protection. 804 00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:42,690 [Yvette's dad] I was just thinking of buying a horse. 805 00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:44,866 [man] All right. 806 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:46,215 [Yvette] It was nerve-wracking, 807 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:48,130 going into a place like this. 808 00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:51,351 My little camera wasn't as covert as we thought, 809 00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:55,094 but Richard's button cam, which we sewed into his shirt, 810 00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:57,226 was nearly undetectable. 811 00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:59,054 So, most of our footage lives here. 812 00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,622 [auctioneer auctioneering] 813 00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,058 [man 1] Man, busy day. 814 00:43:03,102 --> 00:43:06,845 [auctioneer continues indistinctly] 815 00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:16,332 [Yvette whispering] Rick. They've got a zebra in here. 816 00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:17,856 It's a baby. 817 00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:21,033 [indistinct chatter] 818 00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:27,256 [Richard] Excuse me, sir. 819 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:28,910 Where are the wild horses? 820 00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:30,259 [man] They're over the hill. 821 00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:32,479 [Richard] Oh, got you. 822 00:43:32,522 --> 00:43:35,438 There are probably 30, 40... [muffled speech] 823 00:43:35,482 --> 00:43:37,484 [Yvette whispers] Oh, my gosh. 824 00:43:37,527 --> 00:43:39,486 What are those? 825 00:43:39,529 --> 00:43:41,749 It's like a zebra and a horse combined. 826 00:43:50,758 --> 00:43:53,282 [Richard] Oh, my God. 827 00:43:53,326 --> 00:43:55,371 You can tell they got the same blue eye. 828 00:43:55,415 --> 00:43:57,460 [Yvette] Yeah. 829 00:43:57,504 --> 00:43:58,766 You see her down there? 830 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:02,596 On our very first day, 831 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,555 we got a glimpse into the auction world of Texas. 832 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,689 But the loose horses that my dad was asking about, 833 00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,299 the wild horses, 834 00:44:10,343 --> 00:44:13,259 had already left early in the morning. 835 00:44:13,302 --> 00:44:16,523 We'd be there the next day to see them. 836 00:44:16,566 --> 00:44:19,657 This was part of the auction not on the schedule. 837 00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:30,015 [Yvette's dad] I want to go one or two more down. 838 00:44:30,058 --> 00:44:31,799 -[Richard] Yeah. -[Yvette] Down here? 839 00:44:31,843 --> 00:44:33,845 [Yvette's dad] Yeah, let's get a little closer, maybe. 840 00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:36,761 -[Yvette] We got good seats. -[Richard] Yeah. 841 00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:39,764 [auctioneer auctioneering] 842 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:47,946 So, 2,550 down here? 843 00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:51,776 [indistinct chatter] 844 00:44:51,819 --> 00:44:55,518 [auctioneer continues indistinctly] 845 00:45:04,223 --> 00:45:07,835 [indistinct chatter] 846 00:45:17,323 --> 00:45:19,891 [Yvette] It was all we could do to keep from crying out. 847 00:45:21,936 --> 00:45:24,069 Especially when the mothers 848 00:45:24,112 --> 00:45:28,116 and their terrified babies came through. 849 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,162 I was also nervous when I recognized 850 00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:32,555 a known kill buyer in the audience. 851 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,906 Thankfully, he didn't know what I looked like. 852 00:45:38,126 --> 00:45:41,303 We were told that if the horses were bought in big numbers, 853 00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:44,132 they were probably being shipped to slaughter in Mexico. 854 00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:46,482 [Yvette's dad] Where'd they-- Where'd they capture all those? 855 00:45:46,526 --> 00:45:48,789 -In the-- out in the range? -[Richard] Yeah. 856 00:45:48,833 --> 00:45:50,356 [Yvette] We were also curious 857 00:45:50,399 --> 00:45:52,793 where the zebra was from earlier. 858 00:45:52,837 --> 00:45:55,187 [Richard] I think that's him in the red, in the-- yeah. 859 00:45:58,625 --> 00:46:03,804 [Yvette] It was surreal seeing zebras in a place like this. 860 00:46:03,848 --> 00:46:06,502 We couldn't imagine where they might end up next. 861 00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:09,418 Especially given 862 00:46:09,462 --> 00:46:12,813 there are no limits on exotic animal hunting in Texas. 863 00:46:14,467 --> 00:46:16,730 We also noticed on social media, 864 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:20,212 almost immediately after the donkeys were purchased, 865 00:46:20,255 --> 00:46:23,084 they popped up on a kill pen website... 866 00:46:23,128 --> 00:46:25,608 listed for sale or slaughter. 867 00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:30,613 We ended up speaking to someone in the know at the auction, 868 00:46:30,657 --> 00:46:32,311 who offered to do an interview. 869 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:33,486 [man over phone] If it's in somebody's budget, 870 00:46:33,529 --> 00:46:35,009 they go across the border, 871 00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,663 and once they go across the border, 872 00:46:36,706 --> 00:46:38,665 they more than likely don't come back. 873 00:46:38,708 --> 00:46:40,449 [Yvette] But when our camera showed up, 874 00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:43,191 he disappeared and stopped responding to calls, 875 00:46:43,235 --> 00:46:45,803 text messages, and voicemails. 876 00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,979 He did do a brief call with me on the phone. 877 00:46:48,022 --> 00:46:49,458 [Yvette] We were here earlier this morning, 878 00:46:49,502 --> 00:46:50,851 and with the little donkeys 879 00:46:50,895 --> 00:46:53,027 and with some of those wild horses, 880 00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:55,595 we did notice certain numbers were bidding on a lot of them. 881 00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:58,641 Are they bidding on them to send them down to Mexico? 882 00:46:58,685 --> 00:47:00,165 [man over phone] Oh, more than likely. 883 00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:01,862 If you-- if you-- if you're there 884 00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:03,211 and you're paying attention in the ring 885 00:47:03,255 --> 00:47:04,865 and the number of buyers, 886 00:47:04,909 --> 00:47:08,129 if there's a guy there that buys over, 887 00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:10,958 you know, ten head, he's buying for the killers, 888 00:47:11,002 --> 00:47:12,873 is what they-- they call them the killers-- 889 00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:14,222 or sometimes they're not killers, 890 00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:15,658 but he's buying for Mexico. 891 00:47:15,702 --> 00:47:17,878 Like, 90% of those donkeys, 892 00:47:17,922 --> 00:47:19,401 they probably all got bought, 893 00:47:19,445 --> 00:47:20,794 and they'll probably go to Mexico 894 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:22,448 and then on the horse side, 895 00:47:22,491 --> 00:47:24,667 yes, if you pay attention to it and you listen 896 00:47:24,711 --> 00:47:27,192 and you see one number and he's buying, 897 00:47:27,235 --> 00:47:29,063 you know, over ten horses 898 00:47:29,107 --> 00:47:32,197 and he's not paying over $1,000 a piece for them, 899 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,243 then, yes, ma'am, he's-- he's putting together a load 900 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:37,028 and he's gonna send them to Mexico. 901 00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:38,899 They'll send anything down there. 902 00:47:38,943 --> 00:47:40,814 It's-- Whatever doesn't get bought, 903 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:43,208 a killer buyer will buy, no matter how junky it is. 904 00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:45,123 If it comes in there with a broke leg, 905 00:47:45,166 --> 00:47:46,907 it doesn't matter. 906 00:47:46,951 --> 00:47:48,778 They'll give a price for it and it'll sell. 907 00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:55,176 [door slams shut] 908 00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:03,054 [Yvette] There were low parts in our journey, 909 00:48:03,097 --> 00:48:06,492 but this was definitely one of them. 910 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:08,929 Thousands of wild horses and burros 911 00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:11,714 had ended up in the slaughter pipeline. 912 00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:13,934 And as theNew York Times exposed, 913 00:48:13,978 --> 00:48:18,591 the Bureau of Land Management's own adoption incentive program 914 00:48:18,634 --> 00:48:22,595 had led to duplicitous people making thousands of dollars 915 00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:24,814 by adopting wild horses and burros 916 00:48:24,858 --> 00:48:27,121 and then flipping them at auctions, 917 00:48:27,165 --> 00:48:28,688 like the one we were just at. 918 00:48:31,778 --> 00:48:33,301 The BLM's budget 919 00:48:33,345 --> 00:48:34,955 for the Wild Horse and Burro program 920 00:48:34,999 --> 00:48:36,783 in 2021 alone, 921 00:48:36,826 --> 00:48:40,830 was over 115 million dollars. 922 00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:44,269 Where was all of that being spent? 923 00:48:44,312 --> 00:48:46,967 When we looked, we saw that more than half of it 924 00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:51,276 was being spent on long-term and short-term holding. 925 00:48:51,319 --> 00:48:54,366 Basically incarcerating wild horses 926 00:48:54,409 --> 00:48:58,326 for the rest of their lives at taxpayers' expense. 927 00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:03,679 We'd visited these facilities and it was awful. 928 00:49:03,723 --> 00:49:08,032 The wild horses were branded like cattle. 929 00:49:08,075 --> 00:49:11,818 Tags were strapped tightly around their necks. 930 00:49:11,861 --> 00:49:13,515 Some were even spray painted. 931 00:49:17,258 --> 00:49:19,304 And worst of all, 932 00:49:19,347 --> 00:49:21,654 they were separated from their families. 933 00:49:25,527 --> 00:49:28,530 You could just see the betrayal in their eyes. 934 00:49:30,619 --> 00:49:33,579 Especially when they looked out beyond the bars, 935 00:49:33,622 --> 00:49:34,928 toward the mountains. 936 00:49:38,279 --> 00:49:41,587 Many of these places don't have shade... 937 00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:44,459 or any shelter from the elements. 938 00:49:46,374 --> 00:49:50,596 All they can do is wait and comfort each other. 939 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:57,690 ♪ 940 00:50:03,348 --> 00:50:05,915 Unsurprisingly, as it turned out... 941 00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:09,789 millions of dollars were being spent 942 00:50:09,832 --> 00:50:14,315 on contracts for helicopter roundups... 943 00:50:14,359 --> 00:50:16,143 and for livestock ranchers 944 00:50:16,187 --> 00:50:19,799 to use their pastures to warehouse wild horses. 945 00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:23,933 Several of these contractors 946 00:50:23,977 --> 00:50:26,632 such as Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc., 947 00:50:26,675 --> 00:50:28,982 better known as the Cattoor family, 948 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,725 were among the BLM's contractors of choice... 949 00:50:32,768 --> 00:50:38,252 along with Shane F. Sampson and Sun J Livestock. 950 00:50:38,296 --> 00:50:41,864 Sampson had earned over four million dollars. 951 00:50:44,128 --> 00:50:49,002 Sun J Livestock had been awarded approximately ten million. 952 00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:53,267 And the Cattoors had earned over 30 million dollars 953 00:50:53,311 --> 00:50:56,183 in contracts from the United States Government. 954 00:50:58,316 --> 00:51:00,970 Let's reiterate that these are contractors, 955 00:51:01,014 --> 00:51:04,104 awarded millions by the American Government, 956 00:51:04,148 --> 00:51:08,630 funded by our tax dollars, to round up wild horses 957 00:51:08,674 --> 00:51:12,591 which are supposed to be federally protected. 958 00:51:12,634 --> 00:51:17,248 But shockingly, in 1992, along with several others, 959 00:51:17,291 --> 00:51:20,903 Dave Cattoor was convicted and pled guilty 960 00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:23,515 to breaking a federal law. 961 00:51:23,558 --> 00:51:28,128 For conspiring to use his aircraft to hunt wild horses 962 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:30,261 for the purposes of capturing them, 963 00:51:30,304 --> 00:51:34,047 killing them and sending them to slaughter. 964 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,703 He was only fined $500. 965 00:51:37,746 --> 00:51:40,140 And the BLM continues to hire 966 00:51:40,184 --> 00:51:42,795 Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc. 967 00:51:45,276 --> 00:51:47,016 [Scott] My name is Scott Beckstead. 968 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,280 I'm Director of Campaigns for Animal Wellness Action 969 00:51:49,323 --> 00:51:51,195 and the Center for a Humane Economy. 970 00:51:51,238 --> 00:51:53,240 And I'm also an adjunct professor of law 971 00:51:53,284 --> 00:51:55,199 at Willamette University. 972 00:51:55,242 --> 00:51:56,896 There has been a push, 973 00:51:56,939 --> 00:51:59,812 an aggressive push by the Bureau of Land Management 974 00:51:59,855 --> 00:52:01,727 to ramp up these roundups and removals, 975 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:04,425 and it's being fueled by the huge sums of money 976 00:52:04,469 --> 00:52:06,862 appropriated to it by Congress. 977 00:52:06,906 --> 00:52:08,864 Congress has been successfully lobbied 978 00:52:08,908 --> 00:52:11,432 by the beef industry for the roundup and removal 979 00:52:11,476 --> 00:52:13,695 of huge numbers of wild horses and burros 980 00:52:13,739 --> 00:52:17,395 to get the population down to the low AMLs. 981 00:52:17,438 --> 00:52:20,572 The BLM has constructed this false narrative 982 00:52:20,615 --> 00:52:23,183 about an overpopulation of wild horses. 983 00:52:23,227 --> 00:52:25,359 It's a clever ploy because it diverts 984 00:52:25,403 --> 00:52:27,535 the public's attention away from the effects 985 00:52:27,579 --> 00:52:30,495 of overgrazing by millions of commercial livestock 986 00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:34,063 that the BLM has allowed to happen on our public lands. 987 00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:36,501 What makes these roundups so difficult to stop 988 00:52:36,544 --> 00:52:38,067 is the huge amounts of money. 989 00:52:38,111 --> 00:52:40,157 Congress has really enabled this 990 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,029 by appropriating 116 million 991 00:52:43,072 --> 00:52:46,772 in 2021 alone to fund these operations. 992 00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:48,861 It pays the helicopter contractors 993 00:52:48,904 --> 00:52:50,906 millions of dollars to do their work, 994 00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:53,518 and then it also appropriates millions more 995 00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:56,085 to these private entities, mostly corporations, 996 00:52:56,129 --> 00:52:59,001 to build these off-range holding facilities 997 00:52:59,045 --> 00:53:01,047 where tens of thousands of our wild horses 998 00:53:01,090 --> 00:53:03,919 and burros will be kept. 999 00:53:03,963 --> 00:53:05,878 Hi, I'm Marty Irby, I'm the Executive Director 1000 00:53:05,921 --> 00:53:08,054 of Animal Wellness Action in Washington DC. 1001 00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:10,970 I'm one of the nation's top lobbyists in the country 1002 00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:13,842 and also the top lobbyist on horse protection issues. 1003 00:53:13,886 --> 00:53:16,323 One thing that most people don't realize that occurs 1004 00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:18,978 is that there are lobbying dollars 1005 00:53:19,021 --> 00:53:20,632 in Washington DC that we're up against. 1006 00:53:20,675 --> 00:53:22,416 It's a David and Goliath situation 1007 00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:26,203 because there are actual federal funds 1008 00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:29,902 called "USDA Commodity Checkoff Programs." 1009 00:53:29,945 --> 00:53:31,947 Those commercials, you see, like, "Got milk," 1010 00:53:31,991 --> 00:53:33,862 "Beef, it's what's for dinner," 1011 00:53:33,906 --> 00:53:35,821 "Pork, the other white meat," and "The incredible edible egg," 1012 00:53:35,864 --> 00:53:38,084 aren't really commercials or ad campaigns, 1013 00:53:38,127 --> 00:53:40,347 they're USDA checkoff programs, 1014 00:53:40,391 --> 00:53:43,394 they're funded by dollars paid in by producers 1015 00:53:43,437 --> 00:53:45,004 to sell these products. 1016 00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:47,920 These entities are quasi-governmental entities, 1017 00:53:47,963 --> 00:53:49,443 and they're utilizing the funds 1018 00:53:49,487 --> 00:53:52,011 to illegally lobby for policies 1019 00:53:52,054 --> 00:53:53,621 that we don't support, 1020 00:53:53,665 --> 00:53:56,450 policies that put small farmers out of business, 1021 00:53:56,494 --> 00:53:58,539 policies that harm animals, 1022 00:53:58,583 --> 00:54:00,759 policies that are pro-slaughter, 1023 00:54:00,802 --> 00:54:03,457 total of $850 million a year 1024 00:54:03,501 --> 00:54:05,546 for all of the checkoffs combined. 1025 00:54:05,590 --> 00:54:09,158 Basically, the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, 1026 00:54:09,202 --> 00:54:11,509 NCBA, which is the beef checkoff, 1027 00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:16,035 uses their money illegally to lobby for horse slaughter. 1028 00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:17,863 These horses are going to become food 1029 00:54:17,906 --> 00:54:21,345 for someone in China, Japan or Europe. 1030 00:54:21,388 --> 00:54:23,521 I think one of the most glaring examples 1031 00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:26,959 of this corrupt system is with J. R. Simplot, 1032 00:54:27,002 --> 00:54:29,744 uh, which is an Idaho-based food company 1033 00:54:29,788 --> 00:54:32,399 that grazes tens of thousands of cattle 1034 00:54:32,443 --> 00:54:34,271 at a taxpayer-subsidized rate 1035 00:54:34,314 --> 00:54:37,143 of a dollar 35 per animal unit month 1036 00:54:37,186 --> 00:54:40,364 on grazing allotments across five western states. 1037 00:54:40,407 --> 00:54:43,715 So, it's enriching itself by grazing its livestock 1038 00:54:43,758 --> 00:54:46,065 at taxpayer expense on the front end, 1039 00:54:46,108 --> 00:54:48,633 and on the back end it's being paid millions 1040 00:54:48,676 --> 00:54:52,724 by the BLM to hold onto large numbers of wild horses 1041 00:54:52,767 --> 00:54:55,117 that have been removed from our public lands 1042 00:54:55,161 --> 00:54:58,207 to clear the way for more commercial livestock grazing. 1043 00:54:58,251 --> 00:55:00,297 And it should terrify every single American 1044 00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:02,473 who cares about wild horses and burros 1045 00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:05,345 that a food company is being paid 1046 00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:08,653 to hold onto large numbers of these wild horses and burros 1047 00:55:08,696 --> 00:55:10,698 that have been removed from our public lands. 1048 00:55:14,398 --> 00:55:16,051 [Yvette] When you think about it, 1049 00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:19,272 you can barely buy a single can of cat or dog food 1050 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:21,796 for a dollar 35. 1051 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,798 But big food corporations 1052 00:55:23,842 --> 00:55:26,235 were getting these massive tax subsidies 1053 00:55:26,279 --> 00:55:29,282 to graze their cattle on our public land 1054 00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:32,198 for a little over a dollar a month, 1055 00:55:32,241 --> 00:55:35,070 when private ranchers had to pay over 20 1056 00:55:35,114 --> 00:55:38,030 using their own land. 1057 00:55:38,073 --> 00:55:40,206 That didn't seem fair. 1058 00:55:40,249 --> 00:55:43,035 And wild horses were being rounded up because of it. 1059 00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:47,474 In 2021, we were about to experience 1060 00:55:47,518 --> 00:55:49,911 this corruption for ourselves. 1061 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:56,788 [calm music] 1062 00:55:59,704 --> 00:56:03,751 The iconic horses of Sand Wash Basin in Colorado 1063 00:56:03,795 --> 00:56:07,842 are known for the legendary paint stallion, Picasso. 1064 00:56:11,629 --> 00:56:15,850 This place, just like Onaqui, had its own magic. 1065 00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:24,468 It was interesting to watch the wild horse hierarchy... 1066 00:56:24,511 --> 00:56:27,122 as each family waited their turn for water. 1067 00:56:29,821 --> 00:56:34,869 Often, the stallions would scope it out first for safety. 1068 00:56:34,913 --> 00:56:37,785 And in some bands, a lieutenant stallion 1069 00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:40,309 can be an extra set of eyes over the family... 1070 00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:44,357 until the band stallion returns. 1071 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:49,406 ♪ 1072 00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:02,070 At Sand Wash Basin, there were watering holes 1073 00:57:02,114 --> 00:57:04,464 that were filled naturally by the elements. 1074 00:57:06,684 --> 00:57:08,947 And there were also manmade troughs, 1075 00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:11,297 which local advocates helped to maintain. 1076 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:19,871 Right at sunset... 1077 00:57:19,914 --> 00:57:23,788 hundreds of horses appeared before our eyes. 1078 00:57:40,195 --> 00:57:43,242 And then, almost as quickly as they came... 1079 00:57:44,722 --> 00:57:46,027 they were gone. 1080 00:58:00,999 --> 00:58:04,568 It takes a lot of effort and understanding 1081 00:58:04,611 --> 00:58:07,919 and decades of data to understand 1082 00:58:07,962 --> 00:58:10,791 what the range condition is like. 1083 00:58:10,835 --> 00:58:12,532 Just don't go out there 1084 00:58:12,576 --> 00:58:14,578 looking for the beautiful horses, 1085 00:58:14,621 --> 00:58:16,144 which they are very beautiful, 1086 00:58:16,188 --> 00:58:19,321 and understand what's in the [indistinct]. 1087 00:58:19,365 --> 00:58:22,411 Okay, but could you just tell us the reasoning 1088 00:58:22,455 --> 00:58:24,196 behind the roundup at Sand Wash? 1089 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,591 So, the way we manage horses 1090 00:58:27,634 --> 00:58:29,767 to be in harmony with their habitat, 1091 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:32,421 so the habitat and the horses are healthy, 1092 00:58:32,465 --> 00:58:34,380 is by managing the numbers. 1093 00:58:34,423 --> 00:58:37,514 Um, you know, unlike other large grazers, 1094 00:58:37,557 --> 00:58:41,561 they're just kind of more or less there all year. 1095 00:58:41,605 --> 00:58:45,696 Um, and so that means that the numbers of animals, 1096 00:58:45,739 --> 00:58:49,395 the numbers of mouths need to be appropriate 1097 00:58:49,438 --> 00:58:52,572 for what the landscape is capable of producing. 1098 00:58:52,616 --> 00:58:54,313 So that's-- 1099 00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:56,620 Let me jump in there and say, "But why do we do it?" 1100 00:58:56,663 --> 00:58:59,579 We do it because we're required by law... 1101 00:58:59,623 --> 00:59:01,233 [Hunter] Mm-hmm. 1102 00:59:01,276 --> 00:59:03,235 ...to manage for a thriving ecological balance. 1103 00:59:03,278 --> 00:59:05,106 How do you guys feel about the fact 1104 00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:07,718 that the Governor has called for a moratorium on this roundup 1105 00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:09,197 to be evaluated through more of a fact 1106 00:59:09,241 --> 00:59:10,590 and science-based lens? 1107 00:59:10,634 --> 00:59:12,331 Uh, we appreciate their interest, 1108 00:59:12,374 --> 00:59:14,812 and we're going to continue to work with Colorado 1109 00:59:14,855 --> 00:59:17,162 to find creative solutions to manage these horses 1110 00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:18,772 in a healthy way 1111 00:59:18,816 --> 00:59:22,341 and also resulting in a healthy landscape. 1112 00:59:22,384 --> 00:59:27,085 That's-- that's what we are going to do moving forward. 1113 00:59:27,128 --> 00:59:30,392 [Yvette] How do you feel about the Governor's position? 1114 00:59:30,436 --> 00:59:32,612 [Bruce] Again, we appreciate their position, 1115 00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:34,483 we appreciate them wanting to work with us, 1116 00:59:34,527 --> 00:59:36,311 and we want to work with them. 1117 00:59:36,355 --> 00:59:39,097 And so we need to by mandate, by law, 1118 00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:42,056 manage healthy horses on healthy range lots. 1119 00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,667 [Yvette] Did they consult? 1120 00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:45,233 Because I know the National Academy of Sciences 1121 00:59:45,277 --> 00:59:48,019 in 2013, I believe, stated that the AMLs 1122 00:59:48,062 --> 00:59:49,934 were not based on fact or science. 1123 00:59:49,977 --> 00:59:52,371 So, they're saying-- they're saying there was a-- 1124 00:59:52,414 --> 00:59:55,722 a considerable, uh, production data collected 1125 00:59:55,766 --> 00:59:57,811 all across Sand Wash in the '90s, 1126 00:59:57,855 --> 01:00:00,814 and that went into setting, 1127 01:00:00,858 --> 01:00:02,599 uh, you know, for Sand Wash. 1128 01:00:02,642 --> 01:00:04,644 But from the '90s, into the year-- 1129 01:00:04,688 --> 01:00:07,473 into 2011, 2013, 2015, 1130 01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:09,606 obviously, there's a lot going on with climate change 1131 01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,695 and why would data that's that old-- 1132 01:00:11,738 --> 01:00:15,655 The-- these rangelands change, but they change very slowly. 1133 01:00:15,699 --> 01:00:18,832 You don't wait till the range land has collapsed, 1134 01:00:18,876 --> 01:00:21,052 and then you find poor body condition, 1135 01:00:21,095 --> 01:00:22,923 you don't wait for that. 1136 01:00:22,967 --> 01:00:24,708 So-- so, you're rounding them up pro-- 1137 01:00:24,751 --> 01:00:27,798 before they can reach a point of poor body condition? 1138 01:00:27,841 --> 01:00:29,800 The BLM's role legally, 1139 01:00:29,843 --> 01:00:31,845 statutorily, is to manage the habitat. 1140 01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:33,847 That, you know, the-- the state, 1141 01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:36,415 uh, you know, they manage the animals. 1142 01:00:36,458 --> 01:00:39,636 Um, except for the horses, you know, 1143 01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:42,595 uh, like, say the horse is the only thing BLM manages 1144 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:44,423 that has a heartbeat. 1145 01:00:44,466 --> 01:00:46,860 Every-- every other critter out here is either the state 1146 01:00:46,904 --> 01:00:51,256 or if it's listed, it's Fish and Wildlife Service. 1147 01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:54,259 [Yvette] The BLM had announced an emergency roundup 1148 01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:58,045 to permanently remove nearly 90% of the wild horses 1149 01:00:58,089 --> 01:00:59,960 of Sand Wash Basin. 1150 01:01:00,004 --> 01:01:01,875 This emergency status 1151 01:01:01,919 --> 01:01:04,443 allowed them to move forward with the roundup quickly 1152 01:01:04,486 --> 01:01:09,187 and didn't require the BLM to assemble public comments. 1153 01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:11,102 They originally said the roundup 1154 01:01:11,145 --> 01:01:14,279 was due to poor body conditions of the horses and drought, 1155 01:01:14,322 --> 01:01:17,325 even though the water holes were full. 1156 01:01:17,369 --> 01:01:21,329 But then the BLM's narrative suddenly changed. 1157 01:01:21,373 --> 01:01:24,419 The BLM then said they were removing the horses 1158 01:01:24,463 --> 01:01:27,684 because of negative impacts to sage-grouse habitat 1159 01:01:27,727 --> 01:01:29,468 and for future starvation. 1160 01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,601 They also ignored the requests 1161 01:01:32,645 --> 01:01:35,126 of Colorado Governor Jared Polis, 1162 01:01:35,169 --> 01:01:38,782 Western Watersheds project, and the Sierra Club 1163 01:01:38,825 --> 01:01:42,350 to halt the unnecessary roundup of Sand Wash Basin. 1164 01:01:48,748 --> 01:01:50,489 -[Troy] Yeah. -[man] Yeah. 1165 01:01:50,532 --> 01:01:52,534 We are direct right in the-- 1166 01:01:52,578 --> 01:01:55,581 -in line of the wings. -[Chris] Sure. 1167 01:01:55,624 --> 01:01:57,061 -So, we need to go-- -[horse blusters] 1168 01:01:57,104 --> 01:01:58,410 Just over the other side of this, right? 1169 01:01:58,453 --> 01:02:00,238 -Yeah, I don't know. -Okay. 1170 01:02:00,281 --> 01:02:02,327 I'm just gonna go down here and see if I can find a hole 1171 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:03,937 -to get to. -All right, absolutely. 1172 01:02:03,981 --> 01:02:05,286 So, yeah, we'll just move the vehicles down 1173 01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:06,766 a little farther. 1174 01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:08,289 Uh, you could leave your equipment here 1175 01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:09,900 if you'd like, just right off this area. 1176 01:02:09,943 --> 01:02:11,292 [Yvette] It's actually safer to be near a tree, 1177 01:02:11,336 --> 01:02:12,685 if the wild horses come near us. 1178 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:14,992 [Chris] Usually, [indistinct]. 1179 01:02:15,035 --> 01:02:17,864 -[Yvette] It's safer. -I'm not arguing with you. 1180 01:02:17,908 --> 01:02:19,736 We'll comply, but I'm just letting you know 1181 01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:22,173 that God forbid a wild herd ga-- 1182 01:02:22,216 --> 01:02:23,914 gallops over this mountain, 1183 01:02:23,957 --> 01:02:25,742 you're gonna want to scream to everybody 1184 01:02:25,785 --> 01:02:27,439 to stand under this tree. 1185 01:02:27,482 --> 01:02:29,267 And I just-- I don't care 1186 01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:31,443 whose side of the issue you're on. 1187 01:02:31,486 --> 01:02:33,314 This-- this is safer. 1188 01:02:33,358 --> 01:02:36,013 What Cattoor wants is for us to not get a clear line of sight 1189 01:02:36,056 --> 01:02:37,449 as to what's about to happen. 1190 01:02:37,492 --> 01:02:40,104 So, here we are at Sand Wash Basin. 1191 01:02:40,147 --> 01:02:44,543 We were asked to move from that tree to here. 1192 01:02:44,586 --> 01:02:48,025 So, that the horses apparently can see us. 1193 01:02:48,068 --> 01:02:50,114 And apparently we're hiding behind this mountain. 1194 01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:52,681 However, we cannot see 1195 01:02:52,725 --> 01:02:57,164 the helicopter operation at this point. 1196 01:02:57,208 --> 01:02:59,993 [Yvette] From our vantage point behind the hill, 1197 01:03:00,037 --> 01:03:04,476 we could barely see anything the helicopter was doing... 1198 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:06,870 until the horses were driven into the trap site. 1199 01:03:09,176 --> 01:03:11,744 It was the first time we had been this close to one. 1200 01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:15,182 And it was horrifying to see. 1201 01:03:18,664 --> 01:03:21,406 Numerous horses had sustained injuries. 1202 01:03:25,149 --> 01:03:26,846 [Chris] Actually, [indistinct] they're putting up-- 1203 01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:30,154 Hovering on the area where the foals were running, 1204 01:03:30,197 --> 01:03:31,808 which indicates that, in fact, 1205 01:03:31,851 --> 01:03:35,333 the foals were not in a good position earlier. 1206 01:03:35,376 --> 01:03:37,726 The paneling does-- the plastic fence, 1207 01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:39,946 it will prevent the foals from-- 1208 01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:42,601 and the horses from wanting to run through the panel. 1209 01:03:42,644 --> 01:03:44,559 So, because they didn't have that up earlier, 1210 01:03:44,603 --> 01:03:46,648 those three yearlings were running around 1211 01:03:46,692 --> 01:03:48,999 and starting to test the pen. 1212 01:03:49,042 --> 01:03:50,870 So, the fact that they're putting up now indicates 1213 01:03:50,914 --> 01:03:52,872 that they weren't doing it correctly earlier. 1214 01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:54,656 [Yvette] Interesting, and that's when, 1215 01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:56,920 apparently, that one-- that one yearling got hurt, 1216 01:03:56,963 --> 01:04:00,010 and his shoulder was bloody or her shoulder was bloody. 1217 01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:02,664 [Brian] Uh, it seems to be, yeah. 1218 01:04:05,406 --> 01:04:06,973 [Yvette] The Bureau of Land Management 1219 01:04:07,017 --> 01:04:09,758 made us wait for almost two hours 1220 01:04:09,802 --> 01:04:12,196 before we were allowed to approach the corrals. 1221 01:04:13,371 --> 01:04:15,155 Their reasoning was, 1222 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:18,463 "People near the corrals would upset the horses." 1223 01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:21,553 Apparently those rules 1224 01:04:21,596 --> 01:04:23,685 didn't apply to roundup personnel. 1225 01:04:25,905 --> 01:04:28,386 It was cold, and it was raining, 1226 01:04:28,429 --> 01:04:31,041 and it was almost like they were trying to wait us out. 1227 01:04:31,084 --> 01:04:32,825 [man] Ah, there's horse locations-- 1228 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:34,435 [Yvette] When we were finally allowed closer 1229 01:04:34,479 --> 01:04:36,829 to the trap site... 1230 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:38,918 that's when we saw the injuries. 1231 01:04:38,962 --> 01:04:41,790 -[woman] [indistinct]? -[man] Yep. 1232 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:45,272 [woman] So, when do you think... [muffled speech] 1233 01:04:45,316 --> 01:04:48,232 [Yvette] But as hard as all this was to see 1234 01:04:48,275 --> 01:04:51,757 people kept on coming to support the horses 1235 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,196 and to hold the Bureau of Land Management accountable. 1236 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,721 We found it exceedingly bizarre... 1237 01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:03,595 that Dave and Sue Cattoor showed up to watch 1238 01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:08,121 as the horses of Sand Wash Basin lost their freedom. 1239 01:05:08,165 --> 01:05:10,036 I'm Steve Leonard, 1240 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,212 I'm the Wild Horse and Burro Lead for the state of Colorado. 1241 01:05:12,256 --> 01:05:15,172 Roughly we're at 896 horses 1242 01:05:15,215 --> 01:05:18,697 between inside the HMA and outside the HMA. 1243 01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:21,178 And we're trying to reduce that population down 1244 01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:23,876 to the low AML of 163. 1245 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,530 So, this is an emergency gather. 1246 01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:27,401 Um, we're conducting this 1247 01:05:27,445 --> 01:05:29,229 because of the lack of forage and water for these horses. 1248 01:05:29,273 --> 01:05:32,929 Um, and so our objective here is to reduce the herd to, 1249 01:05:32,972 --> 01:05:34,539 um, the appropriate national levels. 1250 01:05:34,582 --> 01:05:36,236 [Yvette] The reasoning seems to have changed 1251 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,151 from an emergency roundup due to drought, 1252 01:05:38,195 --> 01:05:40,110 and because they were in poor body condition 1253 01:05:40,153 --> 01:05:41,807 to identifying that 1254 01:05:41,850 --> 01:05:43,765 they're not going to have enough winter forage, 1255 01:05:43,809 --> 01:05:45,898 and there's something to do with sage-grouse now, 1256 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,031 that was-- didn't seem like it was part of the conversation 1257 01:05:48,074 --> 01:05:49,684 until recently. 1258 01:05:49,728 --> 01:05:51,556 Well, um, so we always take into consideration 1259 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,732 the needs of all the users on public lands when we're-- 1260 01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:55,168 when we're managing wild horses and burros, 1261 01:05:55,212 --> 01:05:56,735 so that includes wildlife. 1262 01:05:56,778 --> 01:05:58,389 Um, so the sage-grouse were always gonna be 1263 01:05:58,432 --> 01:06:02,045 part of this decision to manage this herd. 1264 01:06:02,088 --> 01:06:05,439 [Yvette] Didn't the range land specialist just state 1265 01:06:05,483 --> 01:06:07,180 that the Bureau of Land Management 1266 01:06:07,224 --> 01:06:09,487 only manages wild horses? 1267 01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:13,839 That every other critter falls outside of their purview? 1268 01:06:13,882 --> 01:06:16,798 Why were they suddenly trying to scapegoat wild horses 1269 01:06:16,842 --> 01:06:19,323 for negative effects to sage-grouse? 1270 01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:21,716 I'm Megan Crawford, I'm part of the SWAT team 1271 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,457 here in the Sand Wash, 1272 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:27,984 and I worked for the BLM the season of 2016 1273 01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:30,508 doing, uh, sage-grouse surveys 1274 01:06:30,551 --> 01:06:34,294 and with the emergency gather, it's honestly kind of a cop-out. 1275 01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:36,383 They don't have to do an environmental assessment, 1276 01:06:36,427 --> 01:06:38,559 they don't have to, uh, 1277 01:06:38,603 --> 01:06:40,518 have a public scoping comment period, 1278 01:06:40,561 --> 01:06:44,043 they-- they basically can say we are doing this, 1279 01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:45,653 these are the numbers we're gonna take, 1280 01:06:45,697 --> 01:06:48,047 this is the amount of horses we're gonna leave, 1281 01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:50,354 and it kind of takes 1282 01:06:50,397 --> 01:06:53,966 all of the accountability out of the system 1283 01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,404 because it's sort of just a standing order, 1284 01:06:57,448 --> 01:06:59,885 and we're all just supposed to bend to it. 1285 01:06:59,928 --> 01:07:03,062 And how they can say it's solely the wild horses 1286 01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:04,498 that are the reason 1287 01:07:04,542 --> 01:07:08,285 that the sage-grouse are not rebounding 1288 01:07:08,328 --> 01:07:10,156 seems a little bit absurd to me. 1289 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,941 I'm not sure the exact number of sheep that are out here, 1290 01:07:12,985 --> 01:07:15,727 but having that many sheep compared 1291 01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:19,078 to the amount of horses, I-- I think it's a cop-out to say 1292 01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:21,472 that it's the wild horses that are degrading the land. 1293 01:07:21,515 --> 01:07:23,909 [Yvette] Did any of your beliefs change 1294 01:07:23,952 --> 01:07:26,520 in how things were conducted? 1295 01:07:26,564 --> 01:07:28,609 Honestly, I was a little surprised 1296 01:07:28,653 --> 01:07:32,918 about the brashness of the BLM side. 1297 01:07:32,961 --> 01:07:34,528 I don't think that they really care 1298 01:07:34,572 --> 01:07:36,095 for the horses out here. 1299 01:07:36,139 --> 01:07:38,184 You know, even what they would say, 1300 01:07:38,228 --> 01:07:39,968 the advocates were, 1301 01:07:40,012 --> 01:07:42,536 which they kind of used as a bad word around there. 1302 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,104 [Yvette] One of the advocates on the ground pointed out 1303 01:07:45,148 --> 01:07:47,759 that there were babies only a day old 1304 01:07:47,802 --> 01:07:50,675 being chased by the low flying helicopters. 1305 01:07:50,718 --> 01:07:53,286 Though the BLM continues to define 1306 01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:55,506 helicopter roundups as humane. 1307 01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,814 Something else we found suspicious that day 1308 01:07:59,858 --> 01:08:02,252 was the Cattoor helicopter. 1309 01:08:02,295 --> 01:08:05,603 Our camera operator, Jerry, was also a pilot 1310 01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:08,606 and he pointed out that while there was a United Flight, 1311 01:08:08,649 --> 01:08:10,434 30,000 feet above us, 1312 01:08:10,477 --> 01:08:13,350 we could not track the Cattoor helicopter. 1313 01:08:13,393 --> 01:08:15,003 The potential accusation 1314 01:08:15,047 --> 01:08:17,267 was that they had blocked their ADS-B, 1315 01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:21,401 which the FAA said a contractor can do upon request 1316 01:08:21,444 --> 01:08:24,883 but can be dangerous given other aircrafts in the area. 1317 01:08:24,925 --> 01:08:27,799 That, or the signal simply wasn't being picked up on 1318 01:08:27,842 --> 01:08:29,366 because of the terrain. 1319 01:08:29,408 --> 01:08:30,932 What we found suspicious 1320 01:08:30,976 --> 01:08:33,892 was that the BLM repeatedly refused 1321 01:08:33,934 --> 01:08:35,894 to answer any of our questions 1322 01:08:35,937 --> 01:08:39,419 about why the helicopter had vanished. 1323 01:08:39,462 --> 01:08:42,205 So, there was ultimately no way for us to track 1324 01:08:42,247 --> 01:08:46,644 how many grueling miles they were running these horses. 1325 01:08:46,687 --> 01:08:49,473 Uh, the total contract cost for this 1326 01:08:49,515 --> 01:08:51,127 is just under 300,000. 1327 01:08:55,478 --> 01:08:57,175 That doesn't include holding, no. 1328 01:09:02,486 --> 01:09:06,359 [Yvette] With the target of 733 horses to capture 1329 01:09:06,403 --> 01:09:08,969 the approximate cost to taxpayers 1330 01:09:09,014 --> 01:09:13,060 to warehouse all of those horses for the rest of their lives 1331 01:09:13,104 --> 01:09:16,804 was over $36 million. 1332 01:09:16,848 --> 01:09:19,198 Thankfully, due to an intervention 1333 01:09:19,242 --> 01:09:22,853 by Governor Jared Polis and Congressman Joe Neguse, 1334 01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:24,682 the roundup ended early 1335 01:09:24,725 --> 01:09:27,859 and the total captured was 479. 1336 01:09:29,556 --> 01:09:31,166 [Yvette] This is how narrow this stuff is. 1337 01:09:31,210 --> 01:09:35,214 [melancholic music] 1338 01:09:37,346 --> 01:09:39,435 These horses are in this. 1339 01:09:41,524 --> 01:09:43,440 [Yvette] They were sent to a holding facility 1340 01:09:43,483 --> 01:09:47,399 at Canyon City Federal Prison where only months later, 1341 01:09:47,443 --> 01:09:51,056 when 145 horses mysteriously died. 1342 01:09:53,710 --> 01:09:56,235 Only two months after the wild horses 1343 01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:57,844 of Sand Wash Basin 1344 01:09:57,889 --> 01:10:00,544 were almost completely eradicated, 1345 01:10:00,587 --> 01:10:04,939 thousands of sheep were spotted in the basin. 1346 01:10:04,983 --> 01:10:07,028 [protestors] [chanting] Stop the choppers. 1347 01:10:07,072 --> 01:10:10,728 Stop the choppers. Stop the choppers. 1348 01:10:10,771 --> 01:10:14,384 Stop the choppers. Stop the choppers. 1349 01:10:14,427 --> 01:10:17,735 Stop the choppers, stop the cho-- 1350 01:10:17,778 --> 01:10:19,780 Yesterday, the Bureau of Land Management 1351 01:10:19,824 --> 01:10:22,130 issued a media statement 1352 01:10:22,174 --> 01:10:24,611 that said this roundup is gonna happen. 1353 01:10:24,655 --> 01:10:26,264 It was a-- 1354 01:10:26,309 --> 01:10:30,269 an absolute disregard of the thousands of people 1355 01:10:30,313 --> 01:10:33,490 across the country and across the world 1356 01:10:33,532 --> 01:10:36,362 who have called the BLM and said, 1357 01:10:36,406 --> 01:10:39,322 "Please, please stop this roundup." 1358 01:10:39,365 --> 01:10:41,628 My name is Erik Molvar, 1359 01:10:41,672 --> 01:10:44,718 and I'm the Executive Director of Western Watersheds Project. 1360 01:10:44,762 --> 01:10:46,546 My name is Deniz Bolbol, 1361 01:10:46,590 --> 01:10:49,201 I'm with the Cloud Foundation, I'm the Advocacy Director. 1362 01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:50,768 Hello, everyone, I'm Marty Irby here, 1363 01:10:50,811 --> 01:10:52,770 Executive Director of Animal Wellness Action 1364 01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:54,989 and chief lobbyist in Washington DC. 1365 01:10:55,032 --> 01:10:56,904 I really appreciate everyone turning out today 1366 01:10:56,948 --> 01:10:58,384 to support the Onaqui horses, 1367 01:10:58,428 --> 01:11:00,212 my name is Ashley Avis, I'm a filmmaker. 1368 01:11:00,255 --> 01:11:03,215 -[protestors cheering] -Now I've been out to Onaqui. 1369 01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:07,611 And the BLM says that 474 wild horses 1370 01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:10,570 are too many for the range. 1371 01:11:10,614 --> 01:11:13,312 Livestock industry coined a term for that. 1372 01:11:13,356 --> 01:11:17,403 -Bullshit. -[protestors cheering] 1373 01:11:17,447 --> 01:11:19,666 Now, the Bureau of Land Management 1374 01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:23,235 has authorized almost 20,000 animal unit months 1375 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:25,324 of cattle and sheep grazing on Onaqui. 1376 01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:29,067 On a wild horse Herd Management Area 1377 01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:31,939 where they have a congressional responsibility 1378 01:11:31,983 --> 01:11:34,072 -to conserve the wild horses. -[protestor] Exactly. Exactly. 1379 01:11:35,202 --> 01:11:37,989 This kind of injustice 1380 01:11:38,032 --> 01:11:40,513 is happening all around the country. 1381 01:11:40,557 --> 01:11:45,300 It's not about a thriving, natural ecological balance. 1382 01:11:45,344 --> 01:11:48,041 The BLM is creating a problem 1383 01:11:48,085 --> 01:11:52,003 with cattle and sheep degrading the range. 1384 01:11:52,046 --> 01:11:54,919 And then, instead of addressing the cause of the problem, 1385 01:11:54,962 --> 01:11:56,921 they're blaming the convenient scapegoat, 1386 01:11:56,964 --> 01:11:58,270 the wild horse. 1387 01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,098 So they can keep on overgrazing 1388 01:12:00,141 --> 01:12:02,840 with as many cattle and sheep as they always have 1389 01:12:02,883 --> 01:12:05,451 without the American public noticing. 1390 01:12:05,495 --> 01:12:07,496 Well, guess what, the public is starting to notice. 1391 01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:10,326 -[protestor] Yes! -[protestors cheering] 1392 01:12:10,369 --> 01:12:12,371 Earlier this year, we sent a letter, 1393 01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:16,027 I think it was 70 or so groups, to Secretary Deb Haaland 1394 01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:19,291 asking her to put a moratorium on the grazing permits 1395 01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,380 for these cattle and sheep that they're bringing in. 1396 01:12:21,424 --> 01:12:22,990 We didn't get a response. 1397 01:12:23,034 --> 01:12:24,644 We're asking you, Mr. President, 1398 01:12:24,688 --> 01:12:27,255 please stop the roundups. 1399 01:12:27,299 --> 01:12:29,344 Everyone here has an opportunity 1400 01:12:29,388 --> 01:12:31,389 to let the president know how you feel. 1401 01:12:31,434 --> 01:12:35,742 Call 202-456-1111, 1402 01:12:35,786 --> 01:12:38,745 202-456-1111. 1403 01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:41,443 And let's light up the White House switchboard. 1404 01:12:41,487 --> 01:12:43,141 -[protestors cheering] -Let's light it up. 1405 01:12:43,184 --> 01:12:45,796 It's time to call the President. This has to stop. 1406 01:12:45,839 --> 01:12:48,581 This is a government agency that is broken. 1407 01:12:48,625 --> 01:12:51,715 It's not just sickened, in need of reform, 1408 01:12:51,758 --> 01:12:54,370 it is broken, in need of a complete overhaul. 1409 01:12:54,413 --> 01:12:56,719 We do need leadership from above. 1410 01:12:56,763 --> 01:12:58,460 We need adult supervision 1411 01:12:58,504 --> 01:12:59,940 for the agency bureaucrats 1412 01:12:59,984 --> 01:13:01,638 who have been making the same mistakes, 1413 01:13:01,681 --> 01:13:03,770 -year after year after year. -[protestors cheering] 1414 01:13:03,814 --> 01:13:05,772 I think it's so important 1415 01:13:05,816 --> 01:13:08,079 that not only the people standing here 1416 01:13:08,121 --> 01:13:10,168 but the children in our country 1417 01:13:10,210 --> 01:13:11,865 stand up and raise their voices 1418 01:13:11,909 --> 01:13:13,867 because they too can make a change. 1419 01:13:13,911 --> 01:13:17,088 I'd like to read two letters from two ten-year-olds, 1420 01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:19,482 part of a Girl Scout troop. 1421 01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:20,918 Dear President Biden. 1422 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,616 Dear Interior Secretary Deb Haaland. 1423 01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:25,879 And dear honorable members of Congress. 1424 01:13:25,923 --> 01:13:27,794 "I'm writing to ask you to make laws 1425 01:13:27,838 --> 01:13:29,927 to help protect the wild Mustang herds." 1426 01:13:29,969 --> 01:13:32,016 "If you were a horse and you were rounded up 1427 01:13:32,059 --> 01:13:35,323 in a tiny pen and slaughtered, how would that make you feel? 1428 01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:37,195 Scared. 1429 01:13:37,237 --> 01:13:39,371 That is how these horses feel, and that is sad and wrong." 1430 01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:42,330 "Roundups of herds like the Onaqui must be stopped. 1431 01:13:42,374 --> 01:13:43,853 The facts have shown 1432 01:13:43,897 --> 01:13:45,725 that these horses just end up in kill pens 1433 01:13:45,769 --> 01:13:48,032 bound for a life of pain and suffering." 1434 01:13:48,075 --> 01:13:49,686 "These majestic creatures 1435 01:13:49,728 --> 01:13:51,862 are caught in the system of ranching monopolies, 1436 01:13:51,905 --> 01:13:54,299 encouraged by government enablement 1437 01:13:54,342 --> 01:13:55,952 and distortion of the truth." 1438 01:13:55,996 --> 01:13:57,433 "President Biden, 1439 01:13:57,476 --> 01:13:59,478 please stop the wild Onaqui roundups. 1440 01:13:59,522 --> 01:14:01,480 There are babies and elderly horses 1441 01:14:01,523 --> 01:14:04,614 out on the range who will not survive the helicopters. 1442 01:14:04,657 --> 01:14:06,746 You are the voice that can stop this." 1443 01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:08,879 "Please help the Onaqui stay where they belong." 1444 01:14:08,922 --> 01:14:11,838 "These horses represent the story of America." 1445 01:14:11,882 --> 01:14:13,884 "What will you do for the generations to come?" 1446 01:14:13,927 --> 01:14:16,755 "Have the courage to see beyond profit, 1447 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,195 and take a serious look at America's long term values." 1448 01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:24,982 I'm Jocelyn, I'm ten years old, and I stand with wild horses. 1449 01:14:25,025 --> 01:14:26,592 I stand with wild horses. 1450 01:14:26,636 --> 01:14:28,159 I stand with wild horses. 1451 01:14:28,202 --> 01:14:30,596 Hopeful and determined, Jocelyn. 1452 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:41,477 [emotional music] 1453 01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:47,526 [Yvette] After the rally to save the Onaqui... 1454 01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:49,789 going out to the range was cleansing. 1455 01:14:53,663 --> 01:14:55,795 All of our favorite families were there. 1456 01:14:57,536 --> 01:14:59,582 The chestnut foal Sun Catcher. 1457 01:15:01,496 --> 01:15:03,150 The powerful Stargazer. 1458 01:15:05,588 --> 01:15:06,893 The bay roan. 1459 01:15:08,852 --> 01:15:11,245 Norman and the three amigos. 1460 01:15:11,289 --> 01:15:16,512 ♪ 1461 01:15:24,955 --> 01:15:27,740 [horse neighs] 1462 01:15:27,784 --> 01:15:30,568 It was as if they were putting on a show for us. 1463 01:15:31,918 --> 01:15:34,094 [horse neighs] 1464 01:15:36,139 --> 01:15:38,490 Never had we been so close. 1465 01:15:39,621 --> 01:15:41,537 [horse neighs] 1466 01:15:44,061 --> 01:15:46,585 Stargazer was in full form, 1467 01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:48,326 battling several of the stallions 1468 01:15:48,369 --> 01:15:50,502 right before our eyes. 1469 01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:54,462 [horses neigh] 1470 01:15:59,990 --> 01:16:04,907 A young stallion sailed before us... 1471 01:16:04,951 --> 01:16:09,477 as he courted the affections of his very first mare. 1472 01:16:17,616 --> 01:16:20,271 It was a harmony only nature could know. 1473 01:16:23,491 --> 01:16:27,539 And we were given this quiet glimpse into all of it. 1474 01:16:29,976 --> 01:16:32,675 And then... 1475 01:16:32,718 --> 01:16:35,939 the one horse we'd hoped to see for years... 1476 01:16:37,767 --> 01:16:40,943 the legendary Old Man... 1477 01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:44,556 seemed to materialize out of the mountains. 1478 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:49,605 ♪ 1479 01:17:16,675 --> 01:17:19,199 He walked beside us... 1480 01:17:19,243 --> 01:17:22,202 and stayed with us until sunset... 1481 01:17:24,204 --> 01:17:25,510 when he was called home. 1482 01:17:25,553 --> 01:17:30,602 ♪ 1483 01:17:48,751 --> 01:17:53,886 And that night, we were given the spectacular gift... 1484 01:17:53,930 --> 01:17:59,022 of hundreds of Onaqui horses galloping to water... 1485 01:17:59,065 --> 01:18:01,067 like ghosts of the desert. 1486 01:18:05,985 --> 01:18:08,248 Well, uh, thank you everybody for being here, 1487 01:18:08,291 --> 01:18:11,338 my name is Gus Warr, I'm the BLM Wild Horse and Burro 1488 01:18:11,382 --> 01:18:13,340 Program Manager for Utah, 1489 01:18:13,384 --> 01:18:16,474 and I'll be the incident commander on this gather. 1490 01:18:16,517 --> 01:18:19,651 Um, been a lot of publicity, 1491 01:18:19,695 --> 01:18:22,480 a lot of things associated with-- with this gather. 1492 01:18:22,523 --> 01:18:25,135 Uh, we did have a litigation case we were working through, 1493 01:18:25,178 --> 01:18:27,833 and we wanted to allow Judge Moss 1494 01:18:27,877 --> 01:18:30,967 to make his ruling without overstepping our bounds 1495 01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:32,446 and not doing something we shouldn't, 1496 01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:34,187 and we did get a ruling 1497 01:18:34,231 --> 01:18:36,014 which gave us the green light to be out here today. 1498 01:18:36,059 --> 01:18:37,755 This is Lisa Reid, 1499 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,628 she's our lead public affairs person out here 1500 01:18:40,672 --> 01:18:42,978 on this gather and, uh, 1501 01:18:43,022 --> 01:18:45,938 you're gonna hear her, uh, what I call barking orders. 1502 01:18:45,982 --> 01:18:48,549 She's in charge of all of you. 1503 01:18:48,593 --> 01:18:51,509 I'm in charge of everything out here, 1504 01:18:51,552 --> 01:18:55,077 meaning we got an operations person over here, 1505 01:18:55,121 --> 01:18:56,557 we've got a law enforcement branch, 1506 01:18:56,601 --> 01:18:58,081 we've got a public affairs 1507 01:18:58,124 --> 01:18:59,865 and so I'm trying to keep it all in check, 1508 01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:02,999 but she's-- she's kind of trying to corral the people. 1509 01:19:03,041 --> 01:19:04,740 [officer] You'll see us around, 1510 01:19:04,782 --> 01:19:06,654 we're gonna be scattered throughout the operation, 1511 01:19:06,698 --> 01:19:09,135 and, uh, we're here for safety, and we're gonna hope to prevent 1512 01:19:09,179 --> 01:19:10,963 any interference with the operation. 1513 01:19:11,007 --> 01:19:14,053 Because if we start interfering with gather operations, 1514 01:19:14,097 --> 01:19:16,795 then unfortunately, we have to move further back, 1515 01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:20,799 further away or-- or, you know, if worse comes to worse, 1516 01:19:20,843 --> 01:19:23,280 we may have to ask somebody that's not cooperating 1517 01:19:23,323 --> 01:19:25,630 for law enforcement to escort them out of the site. 1518 01:19:25,673 --> 01:19:28,327 It's a hike but it's-- it's the best-- 1519 01:19:28,371 --> 01:19:29,895 It's the best viewing you're gonna get. 1520 01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:33,507 [emotional music] 1521 01:19:33,550 --> 01:19:35,466 [Yvette panting] 1522 01:19:39,252 --> 01:19:40,993 [Yvette] We were no longer shocked 1523 01:19:41,037 --> 01:19:43,474 that the Onaqui roundup was justified 1524 01:19:43,517 --> 01:19:46,216 much like the rest. 1525 01:19:46,259 --> 01:19:49,219 When an organization called "Friends of Animals" 1526 01:19:49,262 --> 01:19:51,221 filed a lawsuit to stop it, 1527 01:19:51,264 --> 01:19:55,616 the BLM field manager for Utah testified under oath 1528 01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:58,358 that the horses were in poor body condition 1529 01:19:58,402 --> 01:20:00,404 due to being overpopulated 1530 01:20:00,447 --> 01:20:02,928 and needed to be rounded up for their own good 1531 01:20:02,972 --> 01:20:05,931 to prevent future starvation. 1532 01:20:05,975 --> 01:20:10,675 This ended up being false, even by the BLM's own admission. 1533 01:20:10,718 --> 01:20:12,503 And three days into the roundup, 1534 01:20:12,546 --> 01:20:15,505 the agency announced that most of the horses 1535 01:20:15,549 --> 01:20:18,030 were in good shape after all. 1536 01:20:18,074 --> 01:20:19,858 But instead of pulling back 1537 01:20:19,902 --> 01:20:23,209 or releasing the healthy horses... 1538 01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:25,298 they simply changed the justification 1539 01:20:25,342 --> 01:20:27,387 for the roundup to drought. 1540 01:20:33,002 --> 01:20:36,440 We, along with tens of thousands of people 1541 01:20:36,483 --> 01:20:40,052 and advocacy groups across the world... 1542 01:20:40,096 --> 01:20:44,013 tried everything we could to stop the roundup of Onaqui. 1543 01:20:44,056 --> 01:20:49,105 ♪ 1544 01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:57,548 The night before it happened, as they walked away... 1545 01:20:57,591 --> 01:20:59,376 it was like a funeral march. 1546 01:21:00,550 --> 01:21:02,466 It was as if they knew. 1547 01:21:10,691 --> 01:21:14,478 On the first day, the helicopter kept a distance, 1548 01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:16,827 and only 14 horses were captured. 1549 01:21:18,656 --> 01:21:20,440 None of the families that we knew 1550 01:21:20,484 --> 01:21:22,921 lived in this remote area. 1551 01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:26,664 So, we were shocked to see Old Man there 1552 01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:28,361 as if he were bearing witness. 1553 01:21:30,842 --> 01:21:33,192 The Associated Press showed up 1554 01:21:33,236 --> 01:21:37,109 along with advocates and other media. 1555 01:21:37,153 --> 01:21:40,852 But we were surprised at how few people turned out. 1556 01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:42,809 I think the BLM was too, 1557 01:21:42,853 --> 01:21:44,638 because in the days that followed, 1558 01:21:44,682 --> 01:21:48,164 the roundup became significantly more aggressive. 1559 01:21:53,559 --> 01:21:57,303 [Yvette] Sweetheart, run. 1560 01:21:57,347 --> 01:21:59,130 So, the question was, "Why can't we see the traps?" 1561 01:21:59,175 --> 01:22:01,177 They're over here, we looked at the viewing area, 1562 01:22:01,219 --> 01:22:02,960 and all you could see is the corrals. 1563 01:22:03,005 --> 01:22:05,572 You couldn't see the gather area out here. 1564 01:22:05,616 --> 01:22:06,922 [Yvette] Can we go up on that ridge, 1565 01:22:06,965 --> 01:22:08,619 like we did yesterday? 1566 01:22:08,662 --> 01:22:10,142 We were able to climb the mountain to look down-- 1567 01:22:10,186 --> 01:22:11,361 No, we-- we've selected a viewing site, 1568 01:22:11,404 --> 01:22:12,840 we've alerted the contractor, 1569 01:22:12,884 --> 01:22:14,190 we've alerted the helicopter pilot, 1570 01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:15,755 it's going to be right out here. 1571 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,367 That's where we're going to be viewing from. 1572 01:22:17,410 --> 01:22:19,237 Unfortunately, we cannot see the trap site today, 1573 01:22:19,282 --> 01:22:20,630 and there's plenty of space 1574 01:22:20,674 --> 01:22:22,502 to allow us a clear line of sight, 1575 01:22:22,546 --> 01:22:24,548 but there are a lot more horses that are being rounded up, 1576 01:22:24,591 --> 01:22:28,204 so that can lead to a lot more injury in that area. 1577 01:22:28,246 --> 01:22:29,857 It's just-- it's really disappointing 1578 01:22:29,901 --> 01:22:32,948 that our observation rights are being denied. 1579 01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:35,994 But I'm not surprised. 1580 01:22:36,038 --> 01:22:38,605 [Yvette] What was heartbreaking about that morning 1581 01:22:38,648 --> 01:22:40,172 was when we arrived, 1582 01:22:40,216 --> 01:22:43,436 dozens of Onaqui horses were grazing 1583 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,134 right near the trap site. 1584 01:22:48,789 --> 01:22:51,487 Stargazer sounded the alarm 1585 01:22:51,531 --> 01:22:53,359 before it even happened 1586 01:22:53,403 --> 01:22:56,275 and tried to move his family over the mountain 1587 01:22:56,318 --> 01:22:59,713 before taking the lead to try to guide them to safety. 1588 01:23:00,844 --> 01:23:02,107 But he was too late. 1589 01:23:11,464 --> 01:23:14,337 The horses were driven back and forth 1590 01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:15,773 as the helicopter looped. 1591 01:23:19,864 --> 01:23:22,171 It was horrifying to see. 1592 01:23:22,214 --> 01:23:27,002 ♪ 1593 01:23:29,743 --> 01:23:31,702 [Yvette] Oh, my gosh. 1594 01:23:31,745 --> 01:23:33,182 It's going in really fast. 1595 01:23:37,228 --> 01:23:40,362 [Yvette] The helicopter flew so low to the horses 1596 01:23:40,406 --> 01:23:43,452 we were terrified there would be a collision. 1597 01:23:43,496 --> 01:23:44,802 [Yvette] Oh, my God. 1598 01:23:46,847 --> 01:23:48,458 Guys, you've got to be kidding me. 1599 01:23:51,983 --> 01:23:55,073 [Yvette] This was the worst roundup we had ever been to. 1600 01:23:55,117 --> 01:23:57,335 And it was personal... 1601 01:23:57,380 --> 01:23:59,338 as we watched our families stampeded. 1602 01:24:02,385 --> 01:24:05,823 The young foal we called Sun Catcher... 1603 01:24:05,866 --> 01:24:08,826 The bay roans, perlino mares 1604 01:24:08,869 --> 01:24:12,003 and even Stargazer and his family... 1605 01:24:12,047 --> 01:24:14,223 were among those caught in the melee. 1606 01:24:18,575 --> 01:24:20,925 We felt like we were being held captive, 1607 01:24:20,968 --> 01:24:22,666 stuck on top of the mountain... 1608 01:24:24,146 --> 01:24:26,539 unable to help them... 1609 01:24:26,583 --> 01:24:29,760 as the Onaqui disappeared into a cloud of dust. 1610 01:24:31,892 --> 01:24:33,807 We felt like we had failed them. 1611 01:24:37,594 --> 01:24:39,857 The bay roan managed to escape. 1612 01:24:41,511 --> 01:24:43,948 But he didn't run away. 1613 01:24:43,991 --> 01:24:46,124 He went back for his family 1614 01:24:46,168 --> 01:24:49,388 and circled the trap site crying for them. 1615 01:24:52,217 --> 01:24:53,740 No, he's going in, he's going in. 1616 01:24:55,568 --> 01:24:57,222 [Yvette] As journalists, 1617 01:24:57,266 --> 01:25:00,050 it is our constitutional right to observe. 1618 01:25:00,094 --> 01:25:03,141 But the BLM did not allow us to see what they were doing 1619 01:25:03,184 --> 01:25:04,969 behind the mountain. 1620 01:25:05,012 --> 01:25:08,146 Unlike Sand Wash Basin, we had no vantage point 1621 01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:10,496 to document any of the injuries 1622 01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:13,237 or potential deaths of these horses. 1623 01:25:13,282 --> 01:25:14,805 Were any horses injured yesterday? 1624 01:25:14,848 --> 01:25:16,198 [woman] None. 1625 01:25:16,241 --> 01:25:17,851 [Yvette] And who is the organization 1626 01:25:17,895 --> 01:25:19,505 -down there right now? -Wild Horses of America. 1627 01:25:19,549 --> 01:25:21,116 And so why would you give preferential treatment 1628 01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:22,552 -to an organization? -[woman] There is no 1629 01:25:22,594 --> 01:25:24,162 preferential treatment, only the fact 1630 01:25:24,206 --> 01:25:26,773 that they are part of our dart team program. 1631 01:25:26,817 --> 01:25:28,514 That's clearly preferential treatment, 1632 01:25:28,558 --> 01:25:31,561 when we want to document what is going on down there, 1633 01:25:31,603 --> 01:25:33,389 and you're denying us our right to observe. 1634 01:25:33,432 --> 01:25:36,130 There is nothing-- there is nothing obstructive 1635 01:25:36,174 --> 01:25:40,091 about us putting our camera on a ridge just like yesterday 1636 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:42,963 when there were far fewer horses. 1637 01:25:43,007 --> 01:25:44,400 We're not-- we're not obstructing anything. 1638 01:25:44,443 --> 01:25:45,879 And we had looked at other locations, 1639 01:25:45,923 --> 01:25:47,490 in fact, we were over a mile and a half 1640 01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:49,231 to where we can get straight on, 1641 01:25:49,273 --> 01:25:51,798 but we felt like this was closer and you could see more 1642 01:25:51,842 --> 01:25:53,800 and get better identification of the horses. 1643 01:25:53,844 --> 01:25:56,107 [Yvette] Can we go see the holding facility 1644 01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:57,630 or the, uh, the corrals now? 1645 01:25:57,674 --> 01:25:59,284 We'd like to go up on that ridge, 1646 01:25:59,327 --> 01:26:01,199 it's a similar distance that we hiked yesterday. 1647 01:26:01,243 --> 01:26:03,114 So, we already talked about you could go over here and look, 1648 01:26:03,157 --> 01:26:04,594 you can't see the holding facility, 1649 01:26:04,637 --> 01:26:06,073 and no, you can't go down there because-- 1650 01:26:06,117 --> 01:26:08,075 [Yvette] We don't need to go down there, 1651 01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:09,816 we've got 1000 millimeter lens, we could go over to that ridge, 1652 01:26:09,860 --> 01:26:11,469 which is actually kind of shorter 1653 01:26:11,514 --> 01:26:12,818 than we hiked yesterday and we're allowed to do. 1654 01:26:12,862 --> 01:26:14,473 We'd like to get a clear shot. 1655 01:26:14,517 --> 01:26:16,127 I think you should go over here and look and-- 1656 01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,476 because you don't believe us, go over here-- 1657 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:18,477 I don't know where the individual 1658 01:26:18,521 --> 01:26:20,044 that went over there. 1659 01:26:20,087 --> 01:26:21,219 [Yvette] I mean, you've scouted this area, 1660 01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:22,829 you mentioned that this morning. 1661 01:26:22,873 --> 01:26:24,353 Can we get a clear shot of the trap-- from-- 1662 01:26:24,396 --> 01:26:25,789 -of the trap site from there? -You can't, 1663 01:26:25,832 --> 01:26:27,398 you can't, that's why I'm saying-- 1664 01:26:27,443 --> 01:26:28,879 [Yvette] So, why would you send us over there? 1665 01:26:28,922 --> 01:26:30,272 Because that's where you asked to go. 1666 01:26:30,315 --> 01:26:31,403 [Yvette] I asked to go on this ridge 1667 01:26:31,447 --> 01:26:33,275 to go see the trap site. 1668 01:26:33,318 --> 01:26:35,014 Yeah, you're not going to be able to see that down there, 1669 01:26:35,059 --> 01:26:36,407 and, you know, we have to keep people controlled. 1670 01:26:36,452 --> 01:26:37,888 [Yvette] We can see it down there. 1671 01:26:37,931 --> 01:26:39,585 What if I get you part way down there 1672 01:26:39,629 --> 01:26:41,239 and all of a sudden the helicopter takes off and-- 1673 01:26:41,282 --> 01:26:42,675 [Yvette] I assume that you're in communication 1674 01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:44,329 -with the helicopter. -We are. 1675 01:26:44,373 --> 01:26:46,026 [Yvette] You're denying our right to observe, 1676 01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:47,941 you're denying our constitutional rights. 1677 01:26:47,985 --> 01:26:49,769 [Brian] What did you mean by you need to control the people? 1678 01:26:49,813 --> 01:26:52,642 We need to-- we need to make sure people are safe. 1679 01:26:52,684 --> 01:26:54,252 -That's what I mean-- -[Yvette] There's no safety 1680 01:26:54,296 --> 01:26:55,993 unless you've got some rogue helicopter pilot 1681 01:26:56,036 --> 01:26:57,559 who's going to take off, 1682 01:26:57,603 --> 01:26:59,300 and then you really hired the wrong person, 1683 01:26:59,344 --> 01:27:00,998 it is perfectly safe for us. 1684 01:27:01,041 --> 01:27:02,608 We got the best helicopter pilot in the business. 1685 01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:04,436 [Yvette] Wonderful. Great. I thought he did-- 1686 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:05,959 I thought he kept a very reasonable distance yesterday. 1687 01:27:06,003 --> 01:27:07,396 -What about today? -[Yvette] I thought, 1688 01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,049 well, he got pretty darn close today. 1689 01:27:09,093 --> 01:27:10,746 I would like to go over there, so if you've got 1690 01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:12,139 the best helicopter pilot in the distance, 1691 01:27:12,183 --> 01:27:13,880 he's not going to take off on me. 1692 01:27:13,924 --> 01:27:16,056 ...people are getting a little bit, uh, emotional, 1693 01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:17,928 and, you know, we're going to keep people here-- 1694 01:27:17,971 --> 01:27:19,582 A minute ago, it was for our safety, 1695 01:27:19,625 --> 01:27:21,410 now you're saying it's because we're emotional. 1696 01:27:21,452 --> 01:27:23,412 [Gus] Well, emotion runs into that. 1697 01:27:23,455 --> 01:27:25,978 If people are getting emotional, how do you control people? 1698 01:27:26,023 --> 01:27:27,329 [Brian] We weren't emotional a minute ago. 1699 01:27:27,371 --> 01:27:29,026 [Yvette] No, we very calmly asked, 1700 01:27:29,068 --> 01:27:31,115 and we said it is our right as journalists, 1701 01:27:31,157 --> 01:27:33,596 as public observers to go over there 1702 01:27:33,639 --> 01:27:35,293 and point our camera at the trap site. 1703 01:27:35,337 --> 01:27:36,686 ...of everybody 1704 01:27:36,728 --> 01:27:38,035 and the coordination of this group, 1705 01:27:38,077 --> 01:27:39,341 we want to keep you here. 1706 01:27:39,384 --> 01:27:40,864 So, that's what we're gonna do. 1707 01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:42,300 [journalist] Can I go? I'm not emotional. 1708 01:27:42,344 --> 01:27:43,867 We're gonna keep you here. 1709 01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:45,389 Yeah, no. 1710 01:27:45,434 --> 01:27:49,089 So, um, we made such a stink 1711 01:27:49,133 --> 01:27:51,701 and made some-- made some pretty damn good points, 1712 01:27:51,744 --> 01:27:54,660 and they are now allowing us, after a fight, 1713 01:27:54,704 --> 01:27:58,621 to go over to a certain point 1714 01:27:58,664 --> 01:28:00,710 where we're allowed to observe. 1715 01:28:00,753 --> 01:28:02,059 -Are you filming this? -[helicopter whirling] 1716 01:28:03,321 --> 01:28:04,975 So, holy cow. 1717 01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:11,068 Wow. 1718 01:28:21,948 --> 01:28:23,254 This is nuts. 1719 01:28:26,518 --> 01:28:27,824 This is nuts. 1720 01:28:37,921 --> 01:28:43,709 [piano music] 1721 01:28:43,753 --> 01:28:46,886 There is a child that just got out of the helicopter. 1722 01:28:46,930 --> 01:28:50,281 Why is a-- why is a kid riding around? 1723 01:28:50,325 --> 01:28:52,805 How is that not a liability issue? 1724 01:28:52,849 --> 01:28:54,851 [Kai] Well, that's because it's daddy's helicopter. 1725 01:28:54,894 --> 01:28:56,418 [Yvette] Yeah, but for a government roundup 1726 01:28:56,460 --> 01:28:57,984 of wild horses, you've got a chi-- 1727 01:28:58,028 --> 01:28:59,682 -you've got a child? -[Kai] Yeah. 1728 01:28:59,725 --> 01:29:02,598 That's not even a teenager. That's a little girl. 1729 01:29:02,641 --> 01:29:04,208 [Kai] No reason that we couldn't-- 1730 01:29:04,251 --> 01:29:07,254 Yeah, there's no-- this is absurd, yeah. 1731 01:29:07,298 --> 01:29:09,518 We can go low, we can have the camera low, 1732 01:29:09,561 --> 01:29:12,695 we can have-- we could crouch below those rocks. 1733 01:29:12,737 --> 01:29:14,697 -[Yvette] Absolutely. -[Kai] Zero issue. 1734 01:29:14,740 --> 01:29:16,394 [Yvette] We could sit right up here. 1735 01:29:16,438 --> 01:29:19,223 We could see the helicopter operations from there. 1736 01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:20,964 All the way around the mountain, 1737 01:29:21,007 --> 01:29:22,966 and then we could see the trap site. 1738 01:29:23,009 --> 01:29:26,448 We could actually see the horses running in, like this. 1739 01:29:28,710 --> 01:29:30,016 So, they run them in from there. 1740 01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:39,939 And then they're forced through here. 1741 01:29:39,983 --> 01:29:41,941 Can you imagine if you were a horse 1742 01:29:41,985 --> 01:29:44,030 and you run? 1743 01:29:44,074 --> 01:29:45,423 Can you tell me about the child 1744 01:29:45,467 --> 01:29:47,164 that was in the chopper yesterday? 1745 01:29:47,207 --> 01:29:49,035 I have no idea what you're talking about. 1746 01:29:49,079 --> 01:29:50,820 [Yvette] There was a little girl that got out of the chopper, 1747 01:29:50,862 --> 01:29:52,430 we've got it on film. 1748 01:29:52,474 --> 01:29:54,127 Why is a child riding around? 1749 01:29:54,171 --> 01:29:55,433 -Is that legal? -Couldn't tell you. 1750 01:29:57,522 --> 01:29:59,219 [Yvette] But after the roundup is done 1751 01:29:59,263 --> 01:30:01,047 and the chopper is grounded, 1752 01:30:01,091 --> 01:30:03,049 why can't we go over to the other side of the mountain 1753 01:30:03,093 --> 01:30:05,878 if we're half a mile away on 1000 millimeter lens? 1754 01:30:09,273 --> 01:30:11,144 We discussed this yesterday. 1755 01:30:11,188 --> 01:30:13,712 Yeah, and I'd like to know why what you said is changing again. 1756 01:30:16,672 --> 01:30:18,108 So, you're not gonna let 1757 01:30:18,151 --> 01:30:19,849 the Associated Press over there either? 1758 01:30:19,892 --> 01:30:22,547 Yeah, come in. 1759 01:30:22,591 --> 01:30:24,462 [Yvette] We were told we couldn't go 1760 01:30:24,505 --> 01:30:27,378 near the trap site because it was a safety issue. 1761 01:30:27,422 --> 01:30:31,295 But a little girl not only rode around in the helicopter, 1762 01:30:31,338 --> 01:30:33,689 but sat on the back of a water truck 1763 01:30:33,732 --> 01:30:35,517 as the horses were hosed down. 1764 01:30:35,559 --> 01:30:38,476 [horses neigh] 1765 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:43,089 ♪ 1766 01:30:47,311 --> 01:30:48,573 [Yvette] This is just so unfair. 1767 01:30:50,532 --> 01:30:53,796 -I can hear them crying. -[horses neigh] 1768 01:30:53,839 --> 01:30:55,145 This is just really heartbreaking. 1769 01:31:02,848 --> 01:31:05,851 We're not allowed to view the holding facility, 1770 01:31:05,895 --> 01:31:08,375 even though it's a BLM holding facility. 1771 01:31:08,419 --> 01:31:10,508 There's Kai, we've got officers. 1772 01:31:10,552 --> 01:31:12,118 I'm not sure what we're about to encounter. 1773 01:31:17,166 --> 01:31:21,214 [melancholic music] 1774 01:31:23,869 --> 01:31:26,959 [horses neigh] 1775 01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:32,965 [horse blusters] 1776 01:31:34,097 --> 01:31:36,403 [horses neigh] 1777 01:31:43,541 --> 01:31:47,502 [horses neigh] 1778 01:31:47,545 --> 01:31:49,025 [horses neigh] 1779 01:31:51,157 --> 01:31:52,463 [horses neigh] 1780 01:31:59,077 --> 01:32:01,080 -[Yvette] That sound is-- -[Kai] I know, it's terrible. 1781 01:32:01,124 --> 01:32:03,169 We've been listening to it for hours now, 1782 01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:04,693 for two hours, it's horrible. 1783 01:32:04,736 --> 01:32:06,041 [horse neighs] 1784 01:32:06,085 --> 01:32:11,134 ♪ 1785 01:32:13,049 --> 01:32:14,877 [horse neighs] 1786 01:32:16,618 --> 01:32:17,880 [Yvette] I'm so sorry. 1787 01:32:27,411 --> 01:32:30,719 [Yvette] Three months later, we went back to Delta. 1788 01:32:34,809 --> 01:32:38,422 Almost all of the families we've gotten to know... 1789 01:32:38,465 --> 01:32:40,728 had been captured and separated. 1790 01:32:43,253 --> 01:32:46,255 The beautiful perlino sisters 1791 01:32:46,299 --> 01:32:49,564 strode through pools of water and mud. 1792 01:32:51,696 --> 01:32:54,786 And their brave stallion who escaped 1793 01:32:54,830 --> 01:32:57,267 but gallantly went back for them 1794 01:32:57,309 --> 01:32:58,573 was captured too. 1795 01:33:00,357 --> 01:33:02,141 The father of the chestnut foal. 1796 01:33:04,056 --> 01:33:06,058 Even the powerful Stargazer... 1797 01:33:07,973 --> 01:33:10,628 who had been so resplendent in the wild... 1798 01:33:12,151 --> 01:33:14,110 had been reduced to this. 1799 01:33:14,153 --> 01:33:19,202 ♪ 1800 01:34:19,392 --> 01:34:20,829 [birds chirping] 1801 01:34:21,873 --> 01:34:25,921 [flute music] 1802 01:34:32,275 --> 01:34:35,407 A number of the horses from roundups... 1803 01:34:35,452 --> 01:34:38,107 found safe landings at sanctuaries. 1804 01:34:40,109 --> 01:34:42,415 The cremello and the black from Onaqui 1805 01:34:42,459 --> 01:34:47,333 landed at Great Escape Mustang Sanctuary in Colorado. 1806 01:34:47,377 --> 01:34:49,596 The Black has joined the herd. 1807 01:34:49,639 --> 01:34:52,034 Though the cremello wanders alone. 1808 01:34:54,818 --> 01:34:57,866 Norman remained free on the range. 1809 01:34:57,909 --> 01:35:00,564 Though one of the three amigos, Rowan, 1810 01:35:00,607 --> 01:35:03,262 was reported to be killed by the BLM 1811 01:35:03,306 --> 01:35:05,438 only days before the roundup 1812 01:35:05,482 --> 01:35:09,225 for supposedly having a pre-existing injury. 1813 01:35:11,487 --> 01:35:15,492 We never did find the chestnut foal. 1814 01:35:15,535 --> 01:35:18,713 Although Stargazer's story ended in a different way. 1815 01:35:21,237 --> 01:35:25,154 After the BLM auctioned off the surviving Onaqui horses, 1816 01:35:25,197 --> 01:35:28,897 he and his favorite mare were adopted together. 1817 01:35:28,940 --> 01:35:31,508 Although they will never again be free. 1818 01:35:33,684 --> 01:35:35,730 Old Man was left wild... 1819 01:35:37,383 --> 01:35:38,733 though we never saw him again. 1820 01:35:42,648 --> 01:35:45,609 The fate of nearly 60,000 1821 01:35:45,652 --> 01:35:47,611 wild horses and burros 1822 01:35:47,654 --> 01:35:51,789 stuck in holding facilities across the United States... 1823 01:35:51,833 --> 01:35:53,225 will never fully be known. 1824 01:35:58,013 --> 01:36:00,014 This film is in honor of them... 1825 01:36:02,321 --> 01:36:04,062 and for all of their mysterious... 1826 01:36:05,324 --> 01:36:09,327 unfathomable wild beauty 1827 01:36:09,371 --> 01:36:10,982 that they've brought to the world. 1828 01:36:11,026 --> 01:36:15,073 ♪ 1829 01:36:54,939 --> 01:36:56,549 Unbridled and unbroken, 1830 01:36:56,593 --> 01:36:58,116 these symbols of our nation's merits 1831 01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,031 embody the tonic of wildness 1832 01:37:00,075 --> 01:37:03,121 that Henry David Thoreau so eloquently phrased 1833 01:37:03,165 --> 01:37:04,862 in his reflective piece, Walden. 1834 01:37:04,906 --> 01:37:07,996 Wild horses and burros have a place on these lands, 1835 01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:10,215 epitomizing the tenacity and grit 1836 01:37:10,259 --> 01:37:11,651 this nation strives for. 1837 01:37:11,695 --> 01:37:16,047 ♪ 1838 01:38:15,367 --> 01:38:20,416 ♪ 1839 01:39:15,688 --> 01:39:20,737 ♪ 135240

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