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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:40,449 --> 00:00:44,170 in 1977 three scientists went into the 2 00:00:44,170 --> 00:00:46,120 jungles of Flores Indonesia to study 3 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:54,519 birds only one of them came out dr. 4 00:00:54,519 --> 00:00:58,719 Timothy Dara the authorities eventually 5 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,729 found one of the missing members of 6 00:01:00,729 --> 00:01:04,750 dara'a team his corpse was butchered 7 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:07,770 almost beyond recognition 8 00:01:08,430 --> 00:01:11,380 investigators never found any remains of 9 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:14,039 the other victim 10 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:17,370 Tim Dara was charged with double 11 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:22,810 homicide and suspected of cannibalism 12 00:01:22,810 --> 00:01:24,080 [Music] 13 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,490 Dara maintained his innocence throughout 14 00:01:26,490 --> 00:01:29,940 the trial he claimed something else was 15 00:01:29,940 --> 00:01:32,300 the culprit 16 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,560 you tried to convince the court that 17 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,939 creatures from the jungle were 18 00:01:35,939 --> 00:01:39,179 responsible that our local myth had 19 00:01:39,179 --> 00:01:43,799 murdered his friends no one believed him 20 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:47,729 Darren but he claimed to have seen what 21 00:01:47,729 --> 00:01:54,659 he claimed killed his friends in 40 said 22 00:01:54,659 --> 00:01:58,880 he saw was impossible 23 00:02:02,170 --> 00:02:05,320 but I believe Timothy dalla was telling 24 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,439 the truth 25 00:02:15,239 --> 00:02:17,620 Tim was the first in the family to go to 26 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:22,770 college and he became a PhD a scientist 27 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:28,000 his most wonderful older brother only 28 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,860 first heard about the crimes that he'd 29 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:35,670 been charged with but we couldn't 30 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:42,489 believe he was capable of it I would 31 00:02:42,489 --> 00:02:45,760 describe the Tim Darrow case as the 32 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,330 Indonesian equivalent of your OJ Simpson 33 00:02:49,330 --> 00:02:52,390 trial into a sir it was that big at the 34 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:56,410 time Darrow an American ornithologist 35 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:58,810 was convicted of killing a fellow 36 00:02:58,810 --> 00:03:02,470 scientist Gary Ward and their Indonesian 37 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:05,950 field guide Rajat saputra or Reggie as 38 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:10,840 he was known but he didn't just kill 39 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,340 them he cannibalized them that's why we 40 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:18,700 gave him the name in the papers the 41 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:24,459 American cannibal the body of dr. Ward 42 00:03:24,459 --> 00:03:27,700 was never recovered but investigators 43 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:30,760 did manage to locate the body of Raja 44 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,239 saputra 45 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,740 there were severe bone fractures 46 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:39,330 there were several cut marks to the 47 00:03:39,330 --> 00:03:43,490 bones the skull had been smashed open 48 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:47,880 his body had been harvested and the fact 49 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,500 that he had done this to an Indonesian 50 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:54,530 citizen caused tremendous public outrage 51 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:56,550 the first thing I thought when I was 52 00:03:56,550 --> 00:03:57,870 informed about Timothy Darrow 53 00:03:57,870 --> 00:03:59,630 I thought crowds might storm the embassy 54 00:03:59,630 --> 00:04:01,800 it's not a stretch to say that we were 55 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,360 worried about how the Tim Darrow case 56 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,550 would affect our standing throughout the 57 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:08,370 entire region I mean you have to 58 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:09,660 remember he was convicted of killing 59 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:14,520 them with a rock it was savage what he 60 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,950 did to them 61 00:04:15,950 --> 00:04:18,290 the Indonesians elected not to execute 62 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:20,209 him which was was really more than we 63 00:04:20,209 --> 00:04:22,400 could ask given that he never recanted a 64 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,830 story of what had happened the Darrow 65 00:04:24,830 --> 00:04:28,070 came out of the jungle covered in blood 66 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:31,880 telling a ghost story that was a myth 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,690 his whole alibi was a myth he convinced 68 00:04:35,690 --> 00:04:38,780 no one of anything except that he was a 69 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:43,300 very sick very deranged man 70 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,940 by the time I started working in Flores 71 00:04:47,940 --> 00:04:49,919 nearly 25 years after he'd been 72 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:52,800 convicted he was regarded as Colonel 73 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,430 Kurtz like figure Tim Darrow the crazy 74 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:58,590 American ornithologist who entered the 75 00:04:58,590 --> 00:05:01,020 jungle and killed his friends and then 76 00:05:01,020 --> 00:05:03,060 claimed that little wild men in the 77 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:06,449 trees were to blame I was on Flores as 78 00:05:06,449 --> 00:05:09,800 part of a research team from Wollongong 79 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,569 we were looking for evidence of early 80 00:05:12,569 --> 00:05:15,479 human migratory routes to Australia when 81 00:05:15,479 --> 00:05:17,250 we unearthed something completely 82 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:19,069 unexpected 83 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:23,630 we found an unknown species of human a 84 00:05:23,630 --> 00:05:29,909 species of little wild men hello 85 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:31,620 everybody welcome to the Royal 86 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:33,750 Institution thanks for coming along to 87 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,229 hear news of this remarkable discovery 88 00:05:36,229 --> 00:05:39,060 here we have a creature that was 89 00:05:39,060 --> 00:05:40,650 substantially different from modern 90 00:05:40,650 --> 00:05:43,020 humans a totally new species of our 91 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:45,150 genis living on the planet at the same 92 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:48,659 time as us Homo floresiensis was 93 00:05:48,659 --> 00:05:50,310 probably the most important find in 94 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:53,789 anthropology maybe ever it made people 95 00:05:53,789 --> 00:05:57,060 really think very very hard about how 96 00:05:57,060 --> 00:06:00,389 human evolution works people have always 97 00:06:00,389 --> 00:06:02,969 thought about it as a line walking from 98 00:06:02,969 --> 00:06:05,639 gorillas and apes walking more and more 99 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:07,380 erect until they turn into a modern 100 00:06:07,380 --> 00:06:09,210 human 101 00:06:09,210 --> 00:06:11,699 but these creatures were bound to meet 102 00:06:11,699 --> 00:06:12,449 at all 103 00:06:12,449 --> 00:06:16,400 about the height of a kindergarten child 104 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,740 the skull was very very small and the 105 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:21,930 feet were really big it was really quite 106 00:06:21,930 --> 00:06:24,500 unlike anything that anyone's ever seen 107 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:27,210 their scientific name is Homo 108 00:06:27,210 --> 00:06:29,009 floresiensis which literally means 109 00:06:29,009 --> 00:06:32,130 Flores man but we nicknamed them hobbits 110 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:33,990 after their characters from the talking 111 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:36,800 books for obvious reasons 112 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,389 now these hobbits weren't like 113 00:06:39,389 --> 00:06:42,479 pipe-smoking waistcoat wearing Bilbo 114 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:44,280 Baggins living in his genteel hobbit 115 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,070 hole entertained visiting wizards they 116 00:06:47,070 --> 00:06:50,870 were quite savage because they had to be 117 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:53,789 living in a very prehistoric lost world 118 00:06:53,789 --> 00:06:57,139 full of predators and full of dangers 119 00:06:57,139 --> 00:06:59,940 there were giant lizards like Komodo 120 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:02,250 dragons but two or three times the size 121 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:05,460 they hunted giant rats the size of 122 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:06,360 terriers 123 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,120 and they would have also hunted the tiny 124 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,550 elephants who staggered on that lived on 125 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:14,900 the island these creatures were tough 126 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:17,190 they had to be they were living in a 127 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:20,880 very tough world we know they hunted big 128 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,240 gang 129 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,520 we found staggered on bones alongside 130 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,940 the hobbit remains we also unearthed 131 00:07:27,940 --> 00:07:29,889 their stone weapons they used to hunt 132 00:07:29,889 --> 00:07:32,889 them with cutting blades and spear tips 133 00:07:32,889 --> 00:07:34,050 made from Flint 134 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:37,330 we also found evidence of fire pits in 135 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:40,780 the cave so they used tools in the used 136 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:45,430 fire they were smart Homo floresiensis 137 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:48,970 lived until about 20,000 years ago which 138 00:07:48,970 --> 00:07:51,190 in the scheme of things is like a blink 139 00:07:51,190 --> 00:07:54,970 of an eye here we have this lost vestige 140 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:57,759 of an ancient prehistoric world walking 141 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:03,430 on the earth alongside us we knew 142 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:05,710 immediately that the hobbit remains 143 00:08:05,710 --> 00:08:08,110 would change our understanding of human 144 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:09,630 history forever 145 00:08:09,630 --> 00:08:12,400 all the Australian scientists were 146 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,759 elated but some of the Indonesians 147 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,310 reacted quite differently they were 148 00:08:18,310 --> 00:08:22,360 quieted tentative a few of them even 149 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,870 visibly upset that was the first time I 150 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:28,420 heard of EBU gaga 151 00:08:28,420 --> 00:08:31,769 [Applause] 152 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:35,260 the double go-go myth or legend is a 153 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:38,140 kind of bogeyman told by the nage people 154 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:41,589 of central flurries they are described 155 00:08:41,589 --> 00:08:45,370 as a frightening figure ugly hairy very 156 00:08:45,370 --> 00:08:50,890 strong but small physically small this 157 00:08:50,890 --> 00:08:53,560 story of the iboga appear to be just a 158 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,140 you know part of folklore until the 159 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:58,540 discovery of Homo floresiensis in 160 00:08:58,540 --> 00:09:03,820 October 2004 in Flores there are legends 161 00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:06,670 that speak in great detail about the 162 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:09,010 existence and behavior of a creature 163 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:12,070 they called EBU gogo that were about a 164 00:09:12,070 --> 00:09:14,589 metre tall and interacted with the 165 00:09:14,589 --> 00:09:17,230 modern Islanders until they found this 166 00:09:17,230 --> 00:09:18,970 creature they would have dismissed them 167 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:21,160 as just tales of leprechauns but no 168 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,760 longer the find itself was quite 169 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,459 remarkable physically there does seem to 170 00:09:27,459 --> 00:09:29,620 be agreement between Homo floresiensis 171 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:34,500 and the EBU gogo both short erect 172 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:38,770 bipedal both existed on Flores Island so 173 00:09:38,770 --> 00:09:42,690 we have a kind of a a possible match 174 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:49,040 was it possible that their myth was real 175 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,320 that EBU gogo was the Hobby suite fan 176 00:09:54,430 --> 00:09:58,509 that's what I began exploring 177 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,759 [Music] 178 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:12,690 [Music] 179 00:10:13,010 --> 00:10:15,620 the nagas descriptions were colorful but 180 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:17,899 consistent they all climbed that Eva 181 00:10:17,899 --> 00:10:20,570 Geiger was small recovered in hey they 182 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:22,220 said that see them up in the trees but 183 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:24,290 also in the ground walking in the ground 184 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:27,470 on two legs that they were by people and 185 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:29,209 that they were afraid of them 186 00:10:29,209 --> 00:10:34,160 Wow thousand dollars how about the moon 187 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,360 fall upon us all 188 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,730 pow-pow demo hi Ana to Lima hi get outta 189 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:41,839 here 190 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:43,750 Arthur 191 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:45,670 the Nagas vivid descriptions of the 192 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:47,139 creatures had been written off his 193 00:10:47,139 --> 00:10:49,660 folklore their equivalent of the bogan 194 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:51,610 edge even the Naga claimed they hadn't 195 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:53,860 seen them for over a hundred years but 196 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:56,170 someone else had claimed to see nee Baga 197 00:10:56,170 --> 00:10:59,740 go more recently than that an American 198 00:10:59,740 --> 00:11:02,019 scientist who had stumbled into their 199 00:11:02,019 --> 00:11:07,240 village back in 1977 you were present a 200 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,829 day to ten Dara came out of the jungle 201 00:11:08,829 --> 00:11:09,879 into your age 202 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:21,540 poor condition with you only 203 00:11:21,540 --> 00:11:25,569 zoomy knew Lamar to decide what had 204 00:11:25,569 --> 00:11:28,379 happened to him in the jungle 205 00:11:31,939 --> 00:11:34,479 okay 206 00:11:41,690 --> 00:11:44,910 and this there's the stone blade that 207 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:47,040 was found inside missus of Patras corpse 208 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,020 and the authorities tied him to the 209 00:11:49,020 --> 00:11:51,180 crime when he found this identical blade 210 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:54,090 in his backpack these two blades were 211 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:55,890 the key evidence used to prosecute Tim 212 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:58,260 for both murders even though we don't 213 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:00,030 really know what happened to Gary Ward 214 00:12:00,030 --> 00:12:03,600 his body was never located now here's 215 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,930 what it gets really interesting this is 216 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:09,810 a photograph of the stone blades we 217 00:12:09,810 --> 00:12:11,340 excavated with the hobbit remains in 218 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:14,250 2003 they're the weapons that the 219 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:16,200 hobbits used to hunt with and we 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,420 discovered these more than 25 years 221 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:21,480 after the darrell trial and as you can 222 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,600 see they're identical to the alleged 223 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,060 murder weapon now it was impossible that 224 00:12:27,060 --> 00:12:29,400 Tim Darrow could have known this detail 225 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,230 that they existed nobody knew about 226 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:35,760 these blades until we found them even an 227 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,370 argument of their EBU gogo there was no 228 00:12:38,370 --> 00:12:40,230 descriptions that they used tools or 229 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:45,000 weapons none at all so either he was a 230 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,310 clairvoyant psychopath when he fashioned 231 00:12:47,310 --> 00:12:50,580 his alibi back in 1977 all there was 232 00:12:50,580 --> 00:12:53,250 something more to his story that's when 233 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:55,530 I knew I needed to talk to Timothy 234 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:58,380 Darrow I wanted to find out where he got 235 00:12:58,380 --> 00:12:59,650 that blade 236 00:12:59,650 --> 00:13:02,279 [Music] 237 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:04,829 he was an odd request this Australian 238 00:13:04,829 --> 00:13:07,079 scientist wanted to get into karabük and 239 00:13:07,079 --> 00:13:09,389 prism to interview an American citizen 240 00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:10,829 who had been convicted of a double 241 00:13:10,829 --> 00:13:11,639 homicide 242 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:13,470 now the Indonesian government had to 243 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:15,029 deal with the paperwork on this they had 244 00:13:15,029 --> 00:13:17,069 to approve it which they did finally in 245 00:13:17,069 --> 00:13:21,240 2006 I don't think they were in any rush 246 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,699 I mean Timothy Darrow was serving two 247 00:13:23,699 --> 00:13:27,949 life sentences he wasn't going anywhere 248 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,310 they sent Darrow to prison in the 249 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,840 caribou card 250 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,390 that's not a place they send you for 251 00:13:39,390 --> 00:13:42,480 rehabilitation that's a place they send 252 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,990 you to die 253 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,570 I asked to record that first meeting and 254 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:04,380 they allowed it but they never allowed 255 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:08,760 me to film Tim again he told me what he 256 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:25,740 saw okay what do you think the word we 257 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:28,260 thought it was some kind of 8 and there 258 00:14:28,260 --> 00:14:30,060 orangutangs in Indonesia but not on 259 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:33,990 Flores and that's not what this was it 260 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:36,270 was smaller darker covered in dark hair 261 00:14:36,270 --> 00:14:39,650 except around the face and the eyes 262 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:41,639 [Applause] 263 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:44,019 when we saw it up close you could see it 264 00:14:44,019 --> 00:14:47,370 was smart you could just tell 265 00:14:49,259 --> 00:14:56,259 and it wasn't afraid who's coming for us 266 00:14:56,259 --> 00:15:00,729 I knew what they said about him he's a 267 00:15:00,729 --> 00:15:03,489 psychopath delusional are likely 268 00:15:03,489 --> 00:15:07,169 schizophrenic but I have to admit I 269 00:15:07,169 --> 00:15:09,459 wasn't prepared for how convincing I'd 270 00:15:09,459 --> 00:15:11,750 find him 271 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:14,030 and it was in that first meeting that 272 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:17,270 Tim told me he'd had a camera on the 273 00:15:17,270 --> 00:15:22,820 expedition he claimed he filmed them not 274 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:26,900 just saw them but filmed them ku Tim 275 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:29,240 Dara have captured evidence actual proof 276 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,010 that the hobbits have managed to survive 277 00:15:31,010 --> 00:15:34,550 until 1977 and if they were out there 278 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:38,680 then could they still be out there today 279 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,480 is there another species of humans still 280 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,420 out there hiding in one of the most 281 00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:49,010 inaccessible places on earth I'm needed 282 00:15:49,010 --> 00:15:51,670 to find out 283 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,519 [Applause] 284 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:09,390 [Music] 285 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:12,140 after interviewing Tim Darrow I was 286 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:14,090 convinced that there were elements of 287 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:19,700 truth to his story so in 2012 with some 288 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:22,310 documentary funding I led a seven man 289 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:24,440 expedition deep into the interior or 290 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,550 Flores we're now approaching the 291 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:30,500 outermost perimeter of where Tim Darrow 292 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:32,210 and his colleagues conducted their field 293 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:36,350 study back in 1977 the area but Tim says 294 00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:38,750 he encountered them where he said he saw 295 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:41,380 the creatures 296 00:16:42,730 --> 00:16:46,860 [Music] 297 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:49,770 our objective was simply to retrace 298 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:51,210 their our footsteps and look for 299 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:53,240 evidence of existing Homo floresiensis 300 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,240 population 301 00:16:57,820 --> 00:17:00,280 but why undertake the expedition when 302 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,030 many considered it a fool's errand 303 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:05,410 because mammals considered extinct are 304 00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:08,880 still found the solar for instance a 305 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,140 bovine species thought to have been 306 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:13,449 hunted to extinction long ago because of 307 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:16,449 its unique horns a camera trap caught 308 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:18,220 footage of one in the wild just last 309 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:21,550 year the Cupra is another presumed 310 00:17:21,550 --> 00:17:23,589 extinct for nearly a thousand years it 311 00:17:23,589 --> 00:17:24,910 was discovered alive 312 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:28,030 deep within the Cambodian jungle those 313 00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:29,530 species found a way to persist in 314 00:17:29,530 --> 00:17:32,290 uncharted environments why couldn't this 315 00:17:32,290 --> 00:17:35,410 be the case with the hobbits even today 316 00:17:35,410 --> 00:17:37,210 when you'd think that scientists would 317 00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:39,460 have looked behind every bush and shaken 318 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:42,130 every tree on the planet large animals 319 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:44,770 still coming to the light that haven't 320 00:17:44,770 --> 00:17:48,100 been discovered before so it's not 321 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:50,280 beyond the realms of possibility that 322 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,100 seem human type creatures live 323 00:17:54,100 --> 00:18:00,220 undiscovered in some jungle elsewhere if 324 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:03,370 they were out there then I had to find 325 00:18:03,370 --> 00:18:05,210 them 326 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:11,299 and one man held the que pide spoken 327 00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:14,210 with dr. Hamburg on several occasions 328 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:18,100 about my reporting of the Darrow story 329 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:21,740 he wanted to know everything that I 330 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:25,309 remembered they even referred him to a 331 00:18:25,309 --> 00:18:27,350 couple of my old contacts when he 332 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:32,570 requested additional information they 333 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:35,929 were on an eight-week research trip into 334 00:18:35,929 --> 00:18:38,419 the remote interior of the island to 335 00:18:38,419 --> 00:18:43,610 study birds they were all ethology now 336 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:48,169 that's quite a genteel profession not 337 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:49,789 the kind of background that you would 338 00:18:49,789 --> 00:18:52,990 expect from a murderer 339 00:18:54,530 --> 00:18:56,210 we were studying the impact of 340 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:57,980 forestation was beginning to happen the 341 00:18:57,980 --> 00:19:00,770 forest Eagles population dairy and I 342 00:19:00,770 --> 00:19:02,390 were doing postdoc research on the 343 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:04,720 effects 344 00:19:14,269 --> 00:19:16,459 it was difficult to get to our study 345 00:19:16,459 --> 00:19:20,320 side who's out there 346 00:19:22,029 --> 00:19:24,899 a [ __ ] 347 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:28,490 bridges are filled aid but they became a 348 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:31,480 colleague and front 349 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:42,730 [Music] 350 00:19:42,730 --> 00:19:45,850 our grant was to follow Eagles but we 351 00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:47,710 were also looking for another bird bird 352 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:49,030 that hadn't been seen for almost a 353 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:51,060 century 354 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:53,330 before his corpse ow 355 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:55,070 [Applause] 356 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:58,390 - the thinking was that it got extinct 357 00:19:58,390 --> 00:20:00,950 Perez swore he'd seen one on previous 358 00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:05,830 track so we were hoping to find it again 359 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:08,330 record is calling on Agra maybe even 360 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:10,810 filmed it 361 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,240 [Music] 362 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,310 so we're setting out to find a lost 363 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:18,670 species 364 00:20:19,630 --> 00:20:25,700 ironic right Tim was a birdwatcher for 365 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:29,150 as long as I can remember I guess it was 366 00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:31,400 an unusual hobby for a kid growing up in 367 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,750 Bloomington but he loved them 368 00:20:34,750 --> 00:20:38,000 he always had birds in the house he kept 369 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,810 them as pets 370 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:42,200 he built birdhouses and tended to 371 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,760 nestlings that had fallen out of trees 372 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,700 that sort of thing even took care of a 373 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:49,100 hawk that he found in a field ones she 374 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,520 had birdshot in her wing but he got to 375 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,960 fly again 376 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,610 [Music] 377 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:59,110 when we first heard about the crimes 378 00:20:59,110 --> 00:21:00,820 that he'd been charged with of course we 379 00:21:00,820 --> 00:21:05,830 couldn't believe it but when the facts 380 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:08,740 came out that Tim had really done these 381 00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:11,970 terrible terrible things 382 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:16,980 it was hard after we moved my father 383 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:19,520 said we couldn't talk about him anymore 384 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,690 but I knew something must have happened 385 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:27,620 to him something must have snapped 386 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,340 when I spotted it first 387 00:21:37,349 --> 00:21:38,820 the market 388 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:42,050 [Music] 389 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,769 and you don't see perfectly symmetrical 390 00:21:44,769 --> 00:21:47,650 things in the jungle 391 00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:50,290 what is it I briefly wondered if people 392 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:52,460 had made it 393 00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:55,179 we were worried about headhunters 394 00:21:55,179 --> 00:21:56,889 and they've been headhunters in that 395 00:21:56,889 --> 00:22:00,609 jungle only a generation before but the 396 00:22:00,609 --> 00:22:02,379 height seemed wrong was fairly low to 397 00:22:02,379 --> 00:22:12,219 the ground we you make a quick sketch of 398 00:22:12,219 --> 00:22:18,029 what the maca maca pop it up for cameras 399 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:25,080 no such markings ever existed 20 police 400 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,179 officers searched a three-mile perimeter 401 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:29,610 and found nothing and even if they had 402 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:31,649 found something what is to say dr. 403 00:22:31,649 --> 00:22:34,190 Darrow did not make them himself 404 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:37,559 it was the markings on the body of mr. 405 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:43,169 saputra that interested us and these we 406 00:22:43,169 --> 00:22:45,360 are quite certain were made by dr. 407 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,730 Darrell no one believed his story then 408 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:54,500 and no one should today 409 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,819 [Music] 410 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:06,169 navigating the map timid given as is 411 00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:08,039 proven to be a bit more difficult than 412 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,429 I'd imagined there we have a 20-mile 413 00:23:11,429 --> 00:23:14,490 hike into the interior and the landscape 414 00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:16,279 is very different to what it was back in 415 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:20,369 1977 many of the landmarks Tim spoke of 416 00:23:20,369 --> 00:23:23,429 are no longer here though we're gonna 417 00:23:23,429 --> 00:23:25,350 keep pressing on the trial locate the 418 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:27,509 sites where Tim claims he and his team 419 00:23:27,509 --> 00:23:29,399 account at the creatures and that's what 420 00:23:29,399 --> 00:23:33,960 we need to find we're assessing the 421 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,159 health of the Rufus belly 422 00:23:35,159 --> 00:23:37,200 Eagles in the Flores Hawk Eagles and 423 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,269 both were unusual and that other birds 424 00:23:39,269 --> 00:23:40,610 are a big part of their diet 425 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:42,840 so that's what we were catching in the 426 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,610 nets some of the birds that they preyed 427 00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:49,110 on mist nets are basically nylon net 428 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:50,549 strung up between trees it's a 429 00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:53,490 non-lethal way to catch birds you play 430 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:55,230 lure calls on the loop recording and it 431 00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:57,980 alerts and other birds 432 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,210 we didn't think much of it at the time 433 00:24:00,210 --> 00:24:02,429 but we were finding some of the nets 434 00:24:02,429 --> 00:24:04,940 pulled down 435 00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:17,220 this is a river the Tim reference the 436 00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:18,690 close to the side where they have their 437 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:21,330 initial encounter with a creature it's 438 00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:22,980 taken is a lot longer than we expected 439 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:27,180 to get this Jeep enter the jungle were 440 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:29,930 finally here 441 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:36,490 you were about to tell him about first 442 00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:42,669 on the soy but we got up and we did our 443 00:24:42,669 --> 00:24:45,880 normal routine and we were doing our end 444 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,590 of the day rounds to see if anything it 445 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:50,890 turned up in the Nets that's when we 446 00:24:50,890 --> 00:25:01,530 heard it yeah let's find it 447 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:07,510 first thing I did I got my camera on my 448 00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:10,720 back and I started running towards the 449 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,990 sound 450 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:18,669 we got to where we'd setting that up to 451 00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:23,289 that morning and it was down then what 452 00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:24,520 caught my attention 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,289 I saw markings on the trees now they 454 00:25:29,289 --> 00:25:30,640 weren't there when we'd set the net up 455 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:48,400 that morning Gary slaw first tell me you 456 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,100 got that my face on this far away but I 457 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,289 think so yeah Mitch we didn't see it at 458 00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:54,570 all 459 00:25:54,570 --> 00:26:00,220 he was an ape that was a goddamn ape and 460 00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:02,320 I remember thinking that this was too 461 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,980 good to be true of course the camera was 462 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:08,350 lost he said he lost it in the jungle 463 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:11,770 before he get out and I confess that at 464 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:13,960 that point I I thought that if he were 465 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,830 delusional then this was very convenient 466 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:19,059 and he could always maintain that there 467 00:26:19,059 --> 00:26:20,500 was something out there that would prove 468 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,000 him right because that something would 469 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,539 never be found 470 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,950 tim was certain that his camera was gone 471 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:32,590 but the audio recordings the recordings 472 00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:34,360 he said they captured of the creatures 473 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,810 call those might have survived 474 00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:40,420 he said his narco recorder had to have 475 00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:42,220 been with the Indonesian authorities at 476 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:44,350 some point it was in the same backpack 477 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:46,630 as the Flint blade they presented as 478 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:49,210 evidence in his trial so I began to 479 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:53,140 investigate dr. Horne back told me what 480 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:54,460 he was looking for and I said to him 481 00:26:54,460 --> 00:26:55,930 that I didn't specifically remember the 482 00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:57,540 items that were recovered at the time 483 00:26:57,540 --> 00:26:59,800 all the items that the Indonesians 484 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,020 recovered in the jungle and were deemed 485 00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:04,150 immaterial to the case they returned 486 00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:06,700 them to us after the trial we just did a 487 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,830 very cursory inspection and then boxed 488 00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:10,810 up their boxes and sent them back to his 489 00:27:10,810 --> 00:27:13,680 University in Illinois 490 00:27:22,670 --> 00:27:25,300 smart 491 00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:31,750 stereos markings okay let's get a trap 492 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,450 up if you do come back to this song it 493 00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:45,430 might just catch you wanna hey so this 494 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:47,470 is the area where Darryl filmed the 495 00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:50,710 creature and recorded is called you know 496 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:53,440 just how dare would describe them and if 497 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,630 these are territorial markings is every 498 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:58,300 chance they might come back and if we do 499 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,090 come back and that's how we're going to 500 00:28:01,090 --> 00:28:04,960 catch a winner on camera 501 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,820 now if the infrared sensor inside these 502 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:08,470 camera tracks picks up any kind of 503 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:12,580 movement they start recording now our 504 00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:14,170 aim is to mount these cameras at every 505 00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:15,370 location where Tim encountered the 506 00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:18,100 creature like here Tim saw the creature 507 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:19,690 in the ground Superman and cameras down 508 00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:20,050 here 509 00:28:20,050 --> 00:28:22,420 they also saw them up in the trees so 510 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:29,280 remaining them up there as well right 511 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,240 away we knew it was something different 512 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,420 something new but it didn't look like an 513 00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:36,370 orangutan or a given but it moves like 514 00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:37,750 that break it is through the trees like 515 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:41,380 them there are no Apes on Florida's so 516 00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:43,000 whatever it was we knew it was worth 517 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680 trying to find because we quite possibly 518 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,210 just found a new species we start 519 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:50,860 monitoring the Eagles we even stopped 520 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:53,110 looking for the scalps out well we knew 521 00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:56,890 we were on to something bigger now we 522 00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:58,660 knew was attracted the mist nets for the 523 00:28:58,660 --> 00:29:01,720 birds so we played the recording of the 524 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,160 lured calls of a few of the different 525 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,570 local bird species on a loop 526 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,830 we were hoping to get a better look at 527 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:12,050 the Reg hadn't seen it at all and I 528 00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:13,490 wanted to get a better shot of it if I 529 00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:20,060 could we just sat in our midship blind 530 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:36,650 and watched and waited we were gonna 531 00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:49,990 wait for as long as we have to I guess 532 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:53,890 patience has its rewards 533 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:58,030 [Music] 534 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:02,450 we've been watching the trees but that's 535 00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:04,500 not what we should have been looking 536 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:11,279 [Music] 537 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:24,760 [Music] 538 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,570 we saw it and it saw us it was looking 539 00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:30,200 right at us 540 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:35,640 I remember it turned around right before 541 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,230 it disappeared to turn back around to 542 00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:40,309 look at us one more time 543 00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:43,430 and then it disappeared back into the 544 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:44,010 forest 545 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:53,220 [Music] 546 00:30:53,220 --> 00:31:04,770 and then we heard it we tracked down the 547 00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:07,440 Nagra recorder it was just sitting in 548 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,330 the a/v equipment room at the university 549 00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:12,240 gathering dust the recordings never 550 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,590 catalogued because the people who made 551 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:15,390 them never returned to Illinois to 552 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:19,080 document their findings so nearly 35 553 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,740 years after the fact this was you fine 554 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:29,540 now listen to this 555 00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:32,590 [Music] 556 00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:40,490 [Applause] 557 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,730 the calls captured on the Nara were 558 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:55,440 shared with half a dozen of the world's 559 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,570 leading primatologists and they all 560 00:31:57,570 --> 00:32:00,630 agreed that it was primate but none of 561 00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:01,560 them knew what it was 562 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,980 so something unknown was out there at 563 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:08,730 least as of 1977 and I thought we could 564 00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:11,760 use this call to see if it was still out 565 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,630 there today 566 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:20,420 [Applause] 567 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:21,990 thing this is it 568 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:24,690 it was after finding the Niagara that I 569 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:26,910 began to plan the expedition to find a 570 00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:29,850 creature Tim described and I thought we 571 00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:33,680 could use the calls to our advantage 572 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600 for Manning one of these with a camera 573 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,520 strapped up in the canopy 574 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040 these speakers will broadcast the call 575 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,410 that Tim recorded into the jungle over 576 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:45,620 regular time intervals day and night 577 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:55,620 Jack's go this is the bait the hope is 578 00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:57,660 that this will lure one of them right to 579 00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:07,830 us good again rajen know what it was 580 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:09,960 either but I think he was already 581 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,170 thinking about the myth about every go 582 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:17,600 go you know and the stories behind it 583 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:22,750 he was spooked I asked him if he was 584 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,000 okay and he said he was troubled that it 585 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,409 was looking at is that it looked like an 586 00:33:26,409 --> 00:33:31,659 animal afraid you told him that it was 587 00:33:31,659 --> 00:33:34,900 probably curious a we were as new to it 588 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,030 as it was to us I told him that he 589 00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:39,790 should be excited 590 00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:42,610 but we found a new species and I told 591 00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:47,980 him that we were gonna be famous he 592 00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:50,340 smiled 593 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,260 for found one of their old observation 594 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:06,270 platforms this is one of the platforms 595 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:07,380 that turned arrow in his colleagues 596 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:09,929 build over two decades ago that they use 597 00:34:09,929 --> 00:34:13,290 to observe Eagles up in the canopy we're 598 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:16,490 going to go up for a closer look 599 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,669 so please get up here 600 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,819 this is a leg bone appears to be from a 601 00:35:17,819 --> 00:35:25,410 pig a forest pig so clearly this is not 602 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:29,240 a a boreal animal 603 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:42,170 so when this could be an eagle kill or 604 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:49,840 with something else to get up there and 605 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,240 when was the next time you saw it we 606 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,330 didn't see it 607 00:35:57,330 --> 00:36:03,160 we heard it the call started probably a 608 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,010 couple hours after we fought so he was 609 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:11,230 missing we made our way in the direction 610 00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:14,410 of the calls it was a moon out but 611 00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:15,880 nowhere near enough light from a camera 612 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,900 but we brought the Nagre 613 00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:23,110 [Applause] 614 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:41,610 [Applause] 615 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,760 [Music] 616 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,249 [Applause] 617 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,239 [Music] 618 00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:11,980 why are they gone why 619 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,129 [Music] 620 00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:34,240 chimpanzees kill with brute force they 621 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,300 rip their prey apart that's not what we 622 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,510 found 623 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,980 [Laughter] 624 00:37:47,110 --> 00:37:50,860 [Music] 625 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,920 this is where Tim saw the creature in 626 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,870 the canopy for the first time and this 627 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:10,080 is where we just left with Tim filmed it 628 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,630 in the blind and this is evil over the 629 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:20,150 volcano the legend among the Nagi is 630 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:23,640 that the the creatures lived in the 631 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,470 caves and the northern slopes harvey 632 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:28,350 biloba we are now heading towards an RGB 633 00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:31,380 leech called aura which sits in e below 634 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:37,770 both shudder the people moved high up on 635 00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:40,800 the slopes of willow go they gradually 636 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,020 came into contact with Leo go go go who 637 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,170 lived in in caves higher up the the 638 00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:49,830 volcano they soon discovered that to the 639 00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:52,410 obligor were taking crops were raiding 640 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:55,110 their field and the problem apparently 641 00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:58,110 got worse there are stories would speak 642 00:38:58,110 --> 00:39:00,150 of abduction of children 643 00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:04,530 Nemo high on a jewel Lima high get Appa 644 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:07,760 he thought there is a suggestion that 645 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,230 cannibalism was practiced 646 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:14,960 bah 647 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:20,040 [Music] 648 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,910 Oh 649 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:24,080 [Music] 650 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,150 Joe get a shot of this 651 00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:42,220 are you what is this 652 00:39:43,369 --> 00:39:47,900 it is a warning buko go come to the 653 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,559 village they will be burned 654 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,779 buko go remember if the wood can be 655 00:39:53,779 --> 00:39:55,530 burned and so can they 656 00:39:55,530 --> 00:40:02,039 [Music] 657 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:07,370 [Music] 658 00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:11,859 the first light we were getting ready to 659 00:40:11,859 --> 00:40:14,520 pack up that's one rich dog 660 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,789 [Music] 661 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:30,030 they'd come into our camp there were 662 00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:31,740 prints facing the opening I have been 663 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:38,400 watching this they probably been 664 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,360 watching this whole time 665 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:47,650 that's why Rachel said it it will go go 666 00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:50,610 [Applause] 667 00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:52,370 they're talking us 668 00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:55,489 [Applause] 669 00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,640 you wanted to get out of it 670 00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:13,410 [Music] 671 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,630 [Music] 672 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,100 as I mentioned there's this notion that 673 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:46,030 the abou go-go are a threat to children 674 00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:50,000 so a decision was taken to try and kill 675 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,869 him or Olaf 676 00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:55,890 as the story goes the or people set fire 677 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:59,009 to the cave in which the bukuvu lived 678 00:41:59,009 --> 00:42:02,849 and that's how they met their end except 679 00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:05,339 according to some variants of the story 680 00:42:05,339 --> 00:42:08,459 there were a couple of the Google male 681 00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:12,239 and female that escaped the fire and 682 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,880 that their descendants still survived 683 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:22,130 [Music] 684 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:25,770 all right guys he's gonna flush lice and 685 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:28,280 good and have a look 686 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,500 Joe 687 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:04,550 joke me see 688 00:43:08,439 --> 00:43:12,130 in Chardon fire 689 00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:15,600 and it's needs to be a belly button a 690 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,680 small quarter pad probably pick this 691 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:27,830 beef cut these are moms 692 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:31,930 this was food 693 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,490 this chart you see bigger fine 694 00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:09,270 joe-joe 695 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:24,530 this is a mandible and human jawbone 696 00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:29,370 adult probably male you can tell it's 697 00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:30,960 more than by the silver fillings in the 698 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,140 mouth 699 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:42,480 I hate to speculate but I believe we may 700 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,640 have found the remains of Gary Ward I 701 00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:57,660 came to Flores to find a creature 702 00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:59,820 involved in the deaths of two scientists 703 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:04,110 35 years ago I never could have imagined 704 00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:06,660 that I might find the remains of one of 705 00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:17,100 those scientists we've improvised 706 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,230 packing material from the case of our 707 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:22,040 pistol Alton 708 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,859 and we're bringing the bones back with 709 00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:29,400 us to Jakarta for testing we found a few 710 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,890 more animal bones but no further human 711 00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:37,099 remains but I think we've already found 712 00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:41,480 the most important bone in their cage 713 00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:57,630 I've decided to lead for us as soon as 714 00:45:57,630 --> 00:46:00,690 possible but before we do there is one 715 00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:02,400 final location where we need to mount 716 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,789 traps 717 00:46:04,810 --> 00:46:07,970 McCann the site for register Patras 718 00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:11,470 mutilated body was found 719 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,080 well reg was convinced they were 720 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,800 following us 721 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,620 I've never seen him so unsettled before 722 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,630 Bridgers from florence near the jungle 723 00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:47,130 better than anyone seeing him a friend 724 00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:53,049 that's what maybe afraid like no one 725 00:46:53,049 --> 00:46:58,900 wanted to make a fire that night we 726 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,369 didn't use our camping stove we just had 727 00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:02,109 strips of beef jerky washed down with 728 00:47:02,109 --> 00:47:05,279 spoonfuls of peanut butter 729 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,840 [Applause] 730 00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:29,489 [Music] 731 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,790 this is where register Patras body was 732 00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:40,780 found and standing here well this isn't 733 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:44,440 just a site and a map anymore especially 734 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,200 not carrying what may be the remains of 735 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:54,520 Gary Ward with us my guides tell me that 736 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,390 to the noggin 737 00:47:55,390 --> 00:48:01,390 this place is blighted the skulls were 738 00:48:01,390 --> 00:48:07,320 put here to water why the evil there's 739 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,030 definite aura that hangs over the site 740 00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:15,780 you just feel it here 741 00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:20,440 you just feel that some atrocity took 742 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,860 place here 743 00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:28,930 by that afternoon we were back in 744 00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:30,820 familiar environments coming in on the 745 00:48:30,820 --> 00:48:32,290 platform site in the heart of our study 746 00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:34,580 area 747 00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:36,880 [Music] 748 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,519 remember feeling a sense of relief being 749 00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,200 back on our territory seeing a place 750 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,580 that I was familiar with 751 00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:52,380 [Music] 752 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:55,880 I was walking behind wretch 753 00:48:56,020 --> 00:49:02,790 and suddenly I saw him stop froze 754 00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:22,410 and then I heard what it made rich hope 755 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:25,960 [Laughter] 756 00:49:30,570 --> 00:49:37,059 it was an extinct we found it 757 00:49:37,059 --> 00:49:39,009 we were the first people in almost a 758 00:49:39,009 --> 00:49:40,869 hundred years to see the florists cops 759 00:49:40,869 --> 00:49:42,870 out 760 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:45,480 we were gonna record it right across 761 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,290 from the platform 762 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:53,359 and I wanted to be the first person ever 763 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,930 to film it 764 00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:03,880 [Music] 765 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,559 I think that was the fast as they ever 766 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:06,410 scaled the tree 767 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:11,330 [Music] 768 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,100 that's what I saw 769 00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:18,830 they just been up there 770 00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:20,810 there was no sound falling out of 771 00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:23,290 scrapes 772 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,600 and before I could even signal over to 773 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,920 wrench our dancing 774 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:41,080 I came down so quickly I forgot to put 775 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,530 on my gloves 776 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,160 I didn't know what had happened I 777 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,270 thought it must have been some sort of 778 00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:54,950 equipment failure or something that 779 00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:58,330 maybe registro pit snapped 780 00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,330 [Music] 781 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,519 Carrie was devastated me blamed herself 782 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:29,650 he felt responsible me he'd rigged the 783 00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:31,740 lines and he thought it was his fault I 784 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:35,170 told him that it wasn't his fault it was 785 00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:36,940 the rope that there must have been some 786 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:41,890 sort of weak spot in the rope that 787 00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:44,430 wasn't him 788 00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:48,309 I wasn't him 789 00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:56,880 the Rope discovered that the crime scene 790 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,180 was cleanly severed and dr. Darrow cut 791 00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:02,880 it just as he cut the body of mr. 792 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,120 saputra after his fall before butchering 793 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:12,380 him the story of the cuts to his hands 794 00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:16,410 the equipment failure EBU gogo Oliver 795 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:17,730 the deluded attempt to deceive 796 00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:20,880 investigators and indeed himself his 797 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,660 psychiatric evaluation at the time was 798 00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,820 that his story was an attempt to spare 799 00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:30,080 himself the realization of his own guilt 800 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,000 but how can Dara have cut a rug with 801 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,700 Gary Ward watching investigators believe 802 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:38,390 that dr. Darrow killed dr. Ward first 803 00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:43,160 before cutting the rope on mr. saputra 804 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,210 with the camera traps mounted Wade left 805 00:52:49,210 --> 00:52:51,490 forwards and returned to Jakarta to run 806 00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:53,780 tests on the bones were recovered 807 00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:54,880 [Music] 808 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,190 there weren't any DNA results from the 809 00:52:58,190 --> 00:53:00,920 jawbone was too severely charred from 810 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,339 the fire for any extractable DNA but the 811 00:53:04,339 --> 00:53:06,170 authorities were able to identify who 812 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:08,630 would belong to by using a bit of 813 00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:11,599 old-fashioned police work the dental 814 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,619 records we didn't find the remains of 815 00:53:15,619 --> 00:53:21,829 Gary ward it was someone else he was an 816 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:25,010 Indonesian logging company Forester he 817 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:27,349 went missing in the 1960s his name was 818 00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:30,140 karim napela gaba and he was side 819 00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:32,960 surveying an area for clear-cutting more 820 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,430 than three kilometers from the cave 821 00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:37,579 where we found it now the police took 822 00:53:37,579 --> 00:53:40,160 possession of the jawbone but I don't 823 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,230 know if they'll officially reopen the 824 00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:45,500 case but if they do we might be 825 00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:48,829 searching for the same subject because 826 00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:51,770 it appears there was a cannibal out 827 00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:54,710 there long before Tim Darrow ever set 828 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:57,460 foot in Flores 829 00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:01,849 surprisingly even more relevant to our 830 00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:03,740 expedition with the animal remains we'd 831 00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:05,960 brought back with us 832 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,410 now analysis revealed that the gouges 833 00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:11,270 and the animal bones were found were 834 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:14,150 caused by a small blade an electron 835 00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:16,520 microscopy detected small flecks of 836 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,230 flint in the notches the cuts were made 837 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:24,380 by stone plates similar to the hobbit 838 00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:26,329 weapons we unearthed during the dig in 839 00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:31,640 2003 despite the charring we were able 840 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,099 to extract DNA which revealed that these 841 00:54:34,099 --> 00:54:38,150 were all contemporary annals these were 842 00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:43,339 recent kills something is still out 843 00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:46,760 there on Flores hunting with a similar 844 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,170 weapon to the ones Tim Dara was 845 00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:49,880 convicted of murdering his friends with 846 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,200 in 1977 847 00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:57,290 even after highly damning evidence was 848 00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:58,790 presented at his trial like the stone 849 00:54:58,790 --> 00:55:00,920 blades like the severed rope he 850 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,020 maintained his story and that story was 851 00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:04,520 so delusional if the evidence almost 852 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,910 didn't matter he was a US citizen so I 853 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:09,470 was sent to advise him periodically 854 00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:12,680 during the legal proceedings the court 855 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,630 psychiatrist found that he had 856 00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:16,940 schizophrenic tendencies and he believed 857 00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:20,900 his own story and I agreed with the 858 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,810 court's findings and totally disregarded 859 00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:28,730 what he had to say it wasn't until much 860 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:30,410 later on that I realized what had really 861 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:31,070 happened 862 00:55:31,070 --> 00:55:36,790 I now know they did it 863 00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:46,859 I know they cut the rope after the 864 00:55:46,859 --> 00:55:48,930 analysis from the bones I was becoming 865 00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:50,819 more and more convinced that someone or 866 00:55:50,819 --> 00:55:53,039 something other than Tim Darrow had 867 00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:54,559 committed the murders 868 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,510 so before returning to Flores to check 869 00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:59,520 the traps that arranged to meet Epona / 870 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,150 Witte a / nur had been an instrumental 871 00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:05,750 part in the DOE investigation back in 872 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:11,069 1977 I wanted to go over Epona's 873 00:56:11,069 --> 00:56:13,349 recollections to see if there were any 874 00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:15,690 other details who remembered that might 875 00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:17,880 help with what was becoming a case for 876 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,440 turned arrows exoneration 877 00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:24,939 [Music] 878 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,060 silicon thank you he insisted on showing 879 00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:34,010 me something something from his time 880 00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:37,000 working in the dairy case 881 00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:38,990 yeah mumble effect she had a transferred 882 00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:41,960 VHS copy of the Indonesian national news 883 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:48,980 report and he was in it it was the first 884 00:56:48,980 --> 00:56:52,430 time I'd ever seen the report I had seen 885 00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:54,740 photos of the crime scene but seeing it 886 00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:56,960 captured a film really brought home the 887 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,130 horror of what occurred then right at 888 00:57:01,130 --> 00:57:03,200 the end of the footage I saw something 889 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,650 that I simply could not believe I didn't 890 00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:08,570 know the Indonesian word for wine I 891 00:57:08,570 --> 00:57:10,609 started check yeah I should have started 892 00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:14,660 chatting put Dortmunder but I could not 893 00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:18,770 believe what I was seeing amongst all of 894 00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:20,210 their recovered possessions was 895 00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:24,770 something I thought was lost forever the 896 00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:26,120 camera 897 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,100 the film camera Tim said he'd lost 898 00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,650 running out of the jungle well there it 899 00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:33,830 was it found it just a few hundred 900 00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:38,330 meters from the Cannes site neither 901 00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:40,670 their consulate nor the University had 902 00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:42,950 any record or receiving Tim's super a 903 00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:45,950 camera so at that point I only had one 904 00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:48,590 hope and I was told that protocol would 905 00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:51,110 be that any other personal effects would 906 00:57:51,110 --> 00:57:55,880 have been returned to Tim's family but 907 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,650 there are no records of where the Darryl 908 00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:59,450 family relocated to after they left 909 00:57:59,450 --> 00:58:01,400 Bloomington Illinois shortly after Tim's 910 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,750 conviction it was like they disappeared 911 00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:07,310 along with any chance of proving that 912 00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:09,200 the story had been telling for over 30 913 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,540 years may have been the truth 914 00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:23,110 we finally returned to Flores in 915 00:58:23,110 --> 00:58:25,990 September 2012 to see what the camera 916 00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:29,020 traps had recorded if we were ever going 917 00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:30,940 to gather definitive evidence of the 918 00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:33,370 creatures existence then this was our 919 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:34,480 best chance 920 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,630 [Music] 921 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,800 now just a few of us have come back for 922 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,720 this phase of the expedition to check 923 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,080 the camera traps 924 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,240 [Music] 925 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,400 now this trap didn't have anything on it 926 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,490 but we've got a lot more to check so I'm 927 00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:56,170 quite optimistic here well several traps 928 00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:58,600 have been triggered but we don't know 929 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,290 would set them off 930 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,690 we have more camera traps to check over 931 00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:11,900 the next few days we might find 932 00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:14,380 something yet 933 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,550 [Music] 934 00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:37,309 [Music] 935 00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:39,800 Wow 936 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,890 with ourselves about Miyake removal 937 00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:48,290 equals all pow pow 938 00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:58,750 that was a macaque the commotion up in 939 00:59:58,750 --> 01:00:00,640 the trees was coming from the cactus 940 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:01,720 there must have been something up there 941 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:07,330 they didn't like Python Eagle maybe and 942 01:00:07,330 --> 01:00:09,369 that was probably an alarm call they 943 01:00:09,369 --> 01:00:11,609 were making 944 01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:34,340 we have to bury rich 945 01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:36,640 it took us a couple hours to take it 946 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,170 down to the river 947 01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:41,240 there were stones there and softer 948 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,980 ground we didn't have the tools to dig 949 01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:48,309 very deep 950 01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:53,289 so we we're gonna bury in here the 951 01:00:53,289 --> 01:00:55,000 ribbon that place Danzo right 952 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,960 I could Karen to protect him 953 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:06,260 [Music] 954 01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:12,010 [Music] 955 01:01:12,010 --> 01:01:14,420 neither dairy and I was particularly 956 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:16,820 religious but we built a cross how two 957 01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:19,360 branches 958 01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:22,580 we said a few words for Reggie I thanked 959 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:24,890 him for being such a valued colleague 960 01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:25,820 and 961 01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:28,190 [Music] 962 01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:30,510 and for being such a valued friend 963 01:01:30,510 --> 01:01:37,640 [Music] 964 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,660 I brought my camera I didn't know if it 965 01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:44,510 would help locate the Karen later on if 966 01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:46,010 the family ever wanted to bring his body 967 01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:48,460 back 968 01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,000 maybe if I you know ever had a chance to 969 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,160 show it or it it might afford some small 970 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,060 comfort to his mother 971 01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:01,280 [Music] 972 01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:07,320 [Music] 973 01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:15,819 it's quieting for all of us to be here 974 01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:19,030 again the guys really don't want to set 975 01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:20,619 up camp here and I can understand the 976 01:02:20,619 --> 01:02:21,760 reluctance so we're gonna get much 977 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,809 further into the jungle and I can't okay 978 01:02:25,809 --> 01:02:29,700 guys you ready we'll move off 979 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,520 we just started hiking back to the 980 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,000 previous science camp we were just sort 981 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,190 of sleepwalking our way back still in a 982 01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:51,300 state of shock over at all 983 01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:54,349 [Music] 984 01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:58,730 it was a call that snapped us out 985 01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:33,820 we saw it cut back on the path behind us 986 01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:38,020 is heading back towards reg man 987 01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:44,719 [Applause] 988 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:23,590 [Applause] 989 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:34,969 [Applause] 990 01:04:41,460 --> 01:05:12,260 [Applause] 991 01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:13,560 yeah 992 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,160 [Applause] 993 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,590 I thought it was an acro 994 01:05:21,590 --> 01:05:25,330 [Applause] 995 01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:32,830 was a lacquer it was that 996 01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:35,909 [Music] 997 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:48,339 [Applause] 998 01:05:48,590 --> 01:05:51,699 [Music] 999 01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:52,560 [Applause] 1000 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,079 [Music] 1001 01:05:56,580 --> 01:06:07,310 [Applause] 1002 01:06:14,860 --> 01:06:18,019 [Applause] 1003 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:34,000 [Music] 1004 01:06:38,170 --> 01:06:41,780 my chief responsibility is the safety of 1005 01:06:41,780 --> 01:06:44,960 my thing and to be honest I'm not too 1006 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,560 keen staff here either we're heading 1007 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,740 back 1008 01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:54,750 let's get going 1009 01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:03,599 [Applause] 1010 01:07:08,490 --> 01:07:12,520 [Applause] 1011 01:07:13,059 --> 01:07:15,140 we had the audio from the footage 1012 01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:17,140 analyzed and we were able to confirm it 1013 01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:20,089 the calls were recorded were identical 1014 01:07:20,089 --> 01:07:21,829 to the ones that Tim Darrow and his team 1015 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:26,109 captured on this very Nara back in 1977 1016 01:07:26,109 --> 01:07:29,780 they were made by the same creatures now 1017 01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:32,390 this was incredibly exciting but I 1018 01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:34,099 realized that this was more than just a 1019 01:07:34,099 --> 01:07:38,180 matter of scientific interest now you 1020 01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:42,890 see the Crown's the marking the fact 1021 01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:44,540 that the animal remains wood found were 1022 01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:47,809 recent kills these findings could all 1023 01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:51,470 help with Tim Daris case we were 1024 01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:55,520 confirming his story doctor Hornbeck 1025 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,200 shared his findings with me which were 1026 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,799 really extraordinary no question but 1027 01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:04,839 legally there was circumstantial 1028 01:08:04,839 --> 01:08:07,549 they weren't enough to reopen a 35 year 1029 01:08:07,549 --> 01:08:12,650 old double murder case short of having 1030 01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:14,299 indisputable evidence of the creature 1031 01:08:14,299 --> 01:08:16,370 Tim Darrow described we weren't gonna 1032 01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:20,109 force a reexamination of his case 1033 01:08:20,519 --> 01:08:24,149 we needed to find them we needed proof 1034 01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:28,339 that the hobbits were still out there 1035 01:08:28,339 --> 01:08:31,078 three months later I led another 1036 01:08:31,078 --> 01:08:32,969 expedition back into the interior of 1037 01:08:32,969 --> 01:08:34,038 Flores 1038 01:08:34,038 --> 01:08:36,868 we were taking greater precautions we 1039 01:08:36,868 --> 01:08:39,078 were better armed and had much greater 1040 01:08:39,078 --> 01:08:43,129 expectations that we would find them 1041 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:55,799 [Music] 1042 01:08:55,799 --> 01:08:59,040 what is it 1043 01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:04,180 this is saying 1044 01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:12,490 I remember sitting there crouched over 1045 01:09:12,490 --> 01:09:14,109 in the middle of the jungle in total 1046 01:09:14,109 --> 01:09:19,390 darkness but without any internal debate 1047 01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:20,710 about whether to turn on my flashlight 1048 01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:28,020 or not I was terrified of a time - I 1049 01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:30,520 think that was the most scared I was the 1050 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,750 entire time I was out there 1051 01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:38,779 finally I turned it on 1052 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,080 I covered it with my hand at the reading 1053 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:49,710 on the compass it was in my time as soon 1054 01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:51,750 as I did it turned it off and then I 1055 01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:58,830 started walking again I just kept 1056 01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:06,060 walking and walk-in until I couldn't 1057 01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:08,660 walk anymore 1058 01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:22,090 a little after sunrise the next morning 1059 01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:26,710 I knew I'd guessed wrong I saw one of 1060 01:10:26,710 --> 01:10:28,840 our study Eagles flying overhead one 1061 01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,590 with knots flight feather I knew where a 1062 01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:34,240 nest was and that she was headed towards 1063 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,620 it near the river 1064 01:10:35,620 --> 01:10:40,250 I followed the river I might get out 1065 01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:47,459 [Music] 1066 01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:10,250 [Music] 1067 01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:13,580 I stayed in a channel away from the 1068 01:11:13,580 --> 01:11:18,220 banks and away from the trees 1069 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,600 [Music] 1070 01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:47,840 some kind of problem up there I'm not 1071 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,250 sure what it is cuz I can understand 1072 01:11:49,250 --> 01:12:11,080 these guys I'm gonna go look it up here 1073 01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:14,550 we discriminate those a camera trapping 1074 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:17,270 a speaker up here 1075 01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:22,619 they're gone 1076 01:12:33,620 --> 01:12:41,340 [Music] 1077 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,910 come on guys 1078 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,030 something was able to dislodge this 1079 01:13:10,030 --> 01:13:12,030 tribe from the tree forcibly dislodge it 1080 01:13:12,030 --> 01:13:16,290 nearly 100 feet off the ground 1081 01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,670 we proved something was out there but we 1082 01:13:27,670 --> 01:13:29,400 hadn't proved what that something was 1083 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,380 what we had was very suggestive but not 1084 01:13:32,380 --> 01:13:34,809 conclusive and we hadn't found anything 1085 01:13:34,809 --> 01:13:37,929 out there that would help Tim we didn't 1086 01:13:37,929 --> 01:13:42,960 get them on camera but Tim Darrow did 1087 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,670 doctor Hornbeck mentioned to me that he 1088 01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:47,260 was attempting to find any remaining 1089 01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:49,929 members of Timothy Darrow's family the 1090 01:13:49,929 --> 01:13:51,639 parents had died several years previous 1091 01:13:51,639 --> 01:13:54,550 so through the US State Department I 1092 01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:57,340 tracked down Timothy Darrow sister her 1093 01:13:57,340 --> 01:13:59,679 married name was Susan Clemens and we 1094 01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:02,980 had an address in Parsons Kansas and we 1095 01:14:02,980 --> 01:14:06,130 had a telephone number it took a while 1096 01:14:06,130 --> 01:14:08,139 before I finally managed to get her on 1097 01:14:08,139 --> 01:14:10,690 the phone and when I did I explained 1098 01:14:10,690 --> 01:14:13,539 that I had reason to believe that Tim 1099 01:14:13,539 --> 01:14:20,199 had been telling the truth I just 1100 01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:24,219 couldn't process at all he'd seen my 1101 01:14:24,219 --> 01:14:27,550 brother my father wouldn't even let us 1102 01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:29,969 say his name 1103 01:14:29,969 --> 01:14:34,039 It was as if he was dead 1104 01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:39,900 he said he'd visited him in prison and 1105 01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:43,440 believed his story 1106 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:53,710 we couldn't even say his name 1107 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,060 understandably she became very emotional 1108 01:14:58,060 --> 01:15:00,830 but after explaining my findings to her 1109 01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:02,900 I was able to ask her what I needed to 1110 01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:05,690 know had any of Tim's possessions ever 1111 01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:09,910 been returned to her or her family a 1112 01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:12,500 couple of years after the trial a big 1113 01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:15,710 packing box arrived my father wouldn't 1114 01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:18,380 even open it he took it out to the curb 1115 01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:19,910 and dumped it to be picked up at the 1116 01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:24,110 trash but I went straight out there and 1117 01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:27,030 I brought it back inside 1118 01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:30,270 because he was my brother and whatever 1119 01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:33,540 else I couldn't let the last part of him 1120 01:15:33,540 --> 01:15:35,310 that we had be hauled away with the 1121 01:15:35,310 --> 01:15:41,790 trash the odds that the camera ever made 1122 01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:44,760 it back were long the odds that the film 1123 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,590 stock hadn't degraded over time were 1124 01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:48,870 long and the odds that there was 1125 01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:51,020 anything captured in those films at all 1126 01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:53,970 those odds were now said against Tim 1127 01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:57,440 Daris chance for vindication 1128 01:15:58,610 --> 01:16:02,360 she had the camera 1129 01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:22,020 [Music] 1130 01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:24,760 there were three reels of film that were 1131 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,320 recovered from Tim Darrow super8 camera 1132 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,679 the first reel clearly depicts an 1133 01:16:32,679 --> 01:16:35,170 ape-like creature breaking through the 1134 01:16:35,170 --> 01:16:56,710 canopy the second reel was shot from the 1135 01:16:56,710 --> 01:16:58,540 blind where they lured it in with bird 1136 01:16:58,540 --> 01:17:03,849 calls and they're clearly what was 1137 01:17:03,849 --> 01:17:06,369 filmed was a bipedal creature had walked 1138 01:17:06,369 --> 01:17:08,969 into legs 1139 01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:13,239 [Music] 1140 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:16,800 and what's significant about these first 1141 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,840 two wheels is that it demonstrates that 1142 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,210 the Tim film was a creature that was 1143 01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:23,070 capable in the trees and they could walk 1144 01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:26,730 in the ground just like we know hobbits 1145 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:29,360 could from analyzing the remains 1146 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,430 just like the Naga stories claimed they 1147 01:17:32,430 --> 01:17:34,670 could 1148 01:17:43,690 --> 01:17:46,210 and what the creature is sparc huge 1149 01:17:46,210 --> 01:17:48,820 debate there are a number of competing 1150 01:17:48,820 --> 01:17:52,870 theories there is speculation that this 1151 01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:55,060 could be a pond boy tape an orangutan 1152 01:17:55,060 --> 01:17:59,140 relative that there might be an 1153 01:17:59,140 --> 01:18:01,270 undiscovered orangutan population that 1154 01:18:01,270 --> 01:18:03,010 had evolved in Flores independently 1155 01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:06,970 developing unusual traits there's 1156 01:18:06,970 --> 01:18:08,440 another theory that this was a 1157 01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,690 subspecies of macaque worth variant 1158 01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:15,040 coloration and incidental bipedalism the 1159 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,690 only thing there wasn't debate about is 1160 01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:18,490 that this creature had never been seen 1161 01:18:18,490 --> 01:18:21,000 before 1162 01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:24,360 what was on the third reel was also 1163 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,980 consistent with what the Nagi said about 1164 01:18:25,980 --> 01:18:30,530 them and it was very difficult to watch 1165 01:18:30,530 --> 01:18:34,320 it confirmed the horror of what Tim 1166 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,220 Darrow and his friends went through and 1167 01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:40,230 it held huge ramifications for Tim's 1168 01:18:40,230 --> 01:18:42,470 case 1169 01:18:59,649 --> 01:19:01,479 the films are undoubtedly very 1170 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,579 compelling and they do seem to 1171 01:19:03,579 --> 01:19:05,619 corroborate Timothy Darrow's account of 1172 01:19:05,619 --> 01:19:07,780 the events so based on this new evidence 1173 01:19:07,780 --> 01:19:09,669 we would have one of these films 1174 01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:12,189 reviewed in a US courtroom and we would 1175 01:19:12,189 --> 01:19:13,929 have made a formal application to the 1176 01:19:13,929 --> 01:19:15,999 Indonesian government to have Timothy 1177 01:19:15,999 --> 01:19:17,829 Darrow extradited back to the United 1178 01:19:17,829 --> 01:19:20,219 States 1179 01:19:21,369 --> 01:19:23,290 when I first met Tim at the hospital my 1180 01:19:23,290 --> 01:19:25,840 purpose was to advise him but after 1181 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,030 seeing the footage I had a profound 1182 01:19:28,030 --> 01:19:31,420 sense of regret because the fact is I 1183 01:19:31,420 --> 01:19:32,920 would have advised him differently had I 1184 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,050 considered that he might be telling the 1185 01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:37,170 truth 1186 01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:39,510 but like everyone else I just 1187 01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:44,219 disregarded him I was the one person 1188 01:19:44,219 --> 01:19:47,250 whose job it was to listen to him and to 1189 01:19:47,250 --> 01:19:52,640 try to help him and I did not do that I 1190 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,060 wasn't imagining things I wasn't hearing 1191 01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:59,190 things 1192 01:19:59,190 --> 01:20:01,170 it was one of them 1193 01:20:01,170 --> 01:20:04,359 [Applause] 1194 01:20:06,610 --> 01:20:09,780 [Applause] 1195 01:20:11,690 --> 01:20:14,540 we just stood there for a minute didn't 1196 01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:17,659 [Music] 1197 01:20:18,849 --> 01:20:22,800 I just watched me watching me 1198 01:20:30,670 --> 01:20:34,449 [Music] 1199 01:20:37,619 --> 01:20:39,449 that's the last little memory I have of 1200 01:20:39,449 --> 01:20:47,129 being outside all the times I spoke with 1201 01:20:47,129 --> 01:20:49,919 Tim he never once asked me if I believed 1202 01:20:49,919 --> 01:20:54,959 him and I very much regret that I never 1203 01:20:54,959 --> 01:20:57,679 told him that I do 1204 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:18,870 [Music] 1205 01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:25,360 dr. horn that brought my brother back to 1206 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,450 me 1207 01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:32,670 and so for that I'm very grateful I have 1208 01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:34,410 one of his old birdhouses outside the 1209 01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:37,530 kitchen window no and I love watching 1210 01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:40,970 the birds coming to nests there 1211 01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:43,400 and I think it would make him happy to 1212 01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,310 know they're still using it 1213 01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:51,410 [Music] 1214 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,660 I thought it was very important that Tim 1215 01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:57,440 be remembered as a scientist remembered 1216 01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:03,760 for his discoveries in June 2014 a 1217 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,590 scientific team filmed the forest scopes 1218 01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:14,650 out they filmed it and recorded its call 1219 01:22:17,620 --> 01:22:23,900 it hadn't gone extinct they found it now 1220 01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:26,710 this is the last recording the 10 Darrow 1221 01:22:26,710 --> 01:22:29,210 graduates of Putra and Gary Ward ever 1222 01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:32,469 captured on their Niagara 1223 01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:46,349 [Music] 1224 01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:55,870 as for them how many of them are still 1225 01:22:55,870 --> 01:23:00,630 out there the forest has changed so much 1226 01:23:00,630 --> 01:23:03,420 even during the period of our expedition 1227 01:23:03,420 --> 01:23:07,210 and the forests are going so whatever 1228 01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:09,700 the creature was that he filmed Tim 1229 01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:11,080 Darrow may have been the last person to 1230 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,440 see it but it won't be the last to go 1231 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,740 looking 1232 01:23:17,579 --> 01:23:19,060 I'm still looking 1233 01:23:19,060 --> 01:24:06,720 [Music] 83564

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