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Was it you or Rick? 2 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,120 It was me that started the band. 3 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Uh, it was my idea. 4 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,800 I was driving Rick somewhere. 5 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,800 He'd just got his degree as an agricultural scientist. 6 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,160 I pulled the car over and I said to Rick, 7 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,920 "You know that band Sherbet, Rick?" 8 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,200 And he said, "Yep." 9 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,400 And I said, "I reckon if we start a rock band, 10 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,200 we can knock 'em off in 12 months. 11 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,480 What do you reckon?" 12 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,800 He just turned to me and said, "Yep, okay." 13 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,680 And I spent all night talking to Doc. 14 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,000 About nine o'clock in the morning, 15 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,640 I talked him into it. 16 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Without Rick and Doc agreeing, 17 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,680 it could never have been more than just a dream. 18 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,880 She should have known just once, 19 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,640 just once in her life, 20 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,760 that she had to taste the long, thin edge of her own knife. 21 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Similar to the way Nirvana 22 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,600 changed hair band music in America, 23 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,600 and all of a sudden it became alternate, 24 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,160 the Angels did exactly that in Australia. 25 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:39,560 - Angels! Angles! Angels! 26 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,400 # Went down to Santa Fe where Renoir paints the walls 27 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,280 # Described you clearly but the sky began to fall 28 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,200 # Am I ever gonna See your face again? 29 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,360 # Am I ever gonna See your face again? 30 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,160 # Trams cars and taxis, Like a wax-works on the move 31 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,600 # Carry young girls past me but none of them are you 32 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,560 # Am I ever gonna See your face again? 33 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,720 # Am I ever gonna See your face again? 34 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,240 No way, get fucked, fuck off! 35 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,440 I was always a bit protective of Rick. 36 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,400 When we were little kids, 37 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,640 the guy next door picked on Rick 38 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,440 and I beat him up. 39 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,920 And then into our teens 40 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,280 I think we probably got 41 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,200 a little more distant from each other. 42 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Brothers get along in a certain way, I suppose. 43 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Generally speaking, the older sibling tends to be 44 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,640 a little more authoritative over the younger sibling. 45 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,800 And John was obviously the older brother, you know. 46 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,160 John wasnthe older and sophisticated man 47 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,280 and had girlfriends, 48 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:38,640 but I'm pretty sure 49 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,120 he gave us a couple of dollars one day 50 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,400 to go away and buy an ice cream. 51 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,320 Dad was the lead cellist in the orchestra, 52 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,680 then he was the Director of Music 53 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,800 for the ABC. 54 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,120 I mean, he came through the Depression. 55 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,880 And it was all about job security. 56 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,840 I got into working 57 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,400 in a chartered accountant's office, 58 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,520 because I thought, "Oh, well, 59 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,200 that's what Dad thinks I should do. 60 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,480 Maybe he's right." 61 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,440 You know, we were young and we were breaking free. 62 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,800 Long hair, flower power, free love. Music was king. 63 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,920 The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks. 64 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Our friend Pete Thorpe said, 65 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,720 "You know when we go to these parties 66 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,880 and you take your guitar along and sing songs? 67 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,320 I'd like to play with you." 68 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,400 And I said, "Okay, yeah, what do you play?" 69 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,600 He said, "I don't really play anything." 70 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,520 "But I'd like to learn something." 71 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,280 And I said, "Well, I don't know. 72 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,360 Why don't we do a jug band?" 73 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,600 We went to my brother 74 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,120 and asked himif he'd like to be part of it. 75 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,120 I didn't feel like I had a lot of responsibility. 76 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Rick won the Under-21 Classical Piano Eisteddfod 77 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,160 at the age of 16. 78 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,640 I don't have any doubt 79 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,360 that he could have been a concert pianist. 80 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,080 He was that good. 81 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Rick's relationship with Arthur 82 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,240 and certainly... and I think John's, too, 83 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,960 was difficult. 84 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,720 He had a nasty streak. 85 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Arthur was at home 86 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,080 with some of his drinking buddies 87 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,280 and at one stage, John was one of those. 88 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,280 And I walked in and he said, 89 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:30,160 "Oh, have you met my daughter, Richalina?" 90 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,520 And I just wanted to kill him. 91 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,120 We always used to give him 92 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,760 a hard time for being vague, 93 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,560 because he'd sort of seem to be off with the fairies 94 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,400 but he knew exactly what was going on. 95 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,760 And then in came Doc. 96 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,680 We arrived in Australia on Easter Thursday of 1960, 97 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,560 and I went, "Shit..." 98 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,240 you know, "...this is Adelaide?" 99 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,800 Probably expected a big cheering crowd 100 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:04,960 to be on the wharf. 101 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,280 There was nothing of the sort. 102 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:11,400 It was quite solitary and almost, to me, lonely. 103 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,720 We ended up in a town that was just being built, 104 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,320 north of Adelaide, called Elizabeth. 105 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,080 There was very little for teenagers to do. 106 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,240 Nothing to do. 107 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Bob Bowes, long-time friend of Bernard. 108 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,960 You'll find I don't call him Doc. 109 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,560 My nickname for him was Bernardino. 110 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,840 We were always out singing. 111 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,760 We walked the streets a lot singing. 112 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,720 That was a big part of it. 113 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,840 Elizabeth was, in those days, a step too far, 114 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,440 so he often stayed with me at my home. 115 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,080 He was a mover and shaker. 116 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,120 He was also extremely athletic. 117 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,960 I saw him leapfrog red letterboxes. 118 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,040 In fact he even split his trousers...[CHUCKLIN 119 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,240 ...one day doing that 120 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,320 which we never let him forget. 121 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,960 He was a character. Yeah, he was a character. 122 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,720 And he read a lot of books. 123 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,040 He was always writing things down. 124 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,360 But he was really, really cheeky. 125 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Always, 126 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,720 you know, making a joke of... ...sensitive times, 127 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,760 or trying to. 128 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,480 I got a call from Doc. 129 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,080 "Hey," he said, "Do you wanna be a star?" 130 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,440 And I said to my wife, 131 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,480 "Look, like, it's one night a week." 132 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Well, one night turned into six. 133 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,320 The Sussex Hotel was their big venue. 134 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,320 The dance floor was always packed. 135 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Like people on the tables, jumping. 136 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,840 Peter Thorpe would play 137 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,280 the string bass with a glove on, 138 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,280 and he'd soak it in metho and set it on fire. 139 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,480 The crowd would go nuts. 140 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,160 There had been a recording contract with EMI 141 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,800 floating about the place, 142 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,440 and so everybody decided that it would be a great idea 143 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,480 if we went properly professional. 144 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,640 And so I resigned from teaching. 145 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,000 Thank you. That's it for now. 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Moonshine will be back soon. 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,840 And then almost immediately, 148 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,600 they decided that they would really 149 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,360 like to play electric rock and roll. 150 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Hello, baby! 151 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,800 # Yeah, this is the Big Doctor speaking 152 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,840 # What's that, honey? 153 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Our first drummer, Charlie King, 154 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,120 was probably one of the only drummers around 155 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,200 that would actually consent to play with us. 156 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,040 I knew all the numbers, '60s and '70s rock. 157 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,480 I just loved music. 158 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,280 # Chantilly lace and a pretty face and... 159 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Their first gig electric, 160 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,360 there was only 20 people there 161 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,000 and they got booed. 162 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,760 The audience hated us. 163 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,920 Meeting AC/DC in 1975 completely changed our life. 164 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,880 I think it might have been Malcolm that said, 165 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,640 "Next time you come to Sydney, 166 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,560 we'd like you to meet George and Harry." 167 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,120 "Yeah, of course. 168 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Thanks for the invitation, guys." 169 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:50,920 We'll be there. 170 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,520 So we sang a few songs 171 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,120 and we were signed two weeks later. 172 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,360 Albert Studio in Sydney is a kind of iconic studio 173 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,600 and it's where The Easybeats recorded 174 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,080 and where AC/DC recorded all their initial albums. 175 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,040 And it's got a particular sound about it 176 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,520 that is kind of defining of Australian rock and roll. 177 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,400 Ted Albert was the head of the company. 178 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,040 He was a real visionary 179 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,720 and he had a lot of faith in people. 180 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,760 He knew George and Harry's worth 181 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,400 and he let them get on with what they did best. 182 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Vanda and Young were 183 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,080 the hottest producers in Australia 184 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,600 and internationally recognised. 185 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,400 I don't think there was any year 186 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,560 that we didn't have three albums in the chart, 187 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,680 all created from our own studio. 188 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:36,200 It was like the pinnacle. 189 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,320 If you could make it in Sydney, you'd made it. 190 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,960 One of my friends said, 191 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,440 "You ran away from Adelaide with a rock and roll band." 192 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,880 I was only 23 when I got here. 193 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,240 It literally was an adventure. 194 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Someone found Wallaringa Mansions. 195 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,680 Carpets that smelled of cat piss 196 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,080 and I couldn't have cared less. 197 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,200 It was all aboutthe next session in the studio 198 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,960 and writing the next song. 199 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,680 I worked particularly hard 200 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:05,520 because I was doing the roadie's job as well. 201 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,960 If I wasn't drumming, we were pulling down 202 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,600 or loading and driving to the next gig. 203 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,680 I remember one week, we did 12 shows. 204 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:14,960 One of the gigs in Melbourne 205 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,360 was the Ringwood ice skating rink. 206 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,200 Angus Young and Rick would get these gloves 207 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,520 and cut the fingers off 208 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,160 so they could get a bit of circulation 209 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,520 into their fingers to play the leads. 210 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,680 There'd be very few people 211 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:29,160 and Bitsy, Dzintra and I would sit up the back 212 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,640 and wait for four hours. 213 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,720 It's a long time. 214 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,600 I was a fairly newly-graduated physio. 215 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 We all provided stability 216 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,760 while they chased a dream. 217 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,280 We were all working on our instruments 218 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,880 and developing moderately well, 219 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,040 but Charlie didn't seem to be improving. 220 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,720 George and Harry had a quiet word to us. 221 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,200 Said, "Maybe it's time to look for another drummer." 222 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,360 I didn't want to do it and I'm sure Doc didn't. 223 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,000 We suggested, 224 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,680 "You're the guy, John. You do it." 225 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,080 I was sitting in the front of a car. 226 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,720 John suddenly turned around and said, 227 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,760 "Pete, you're out of the band." 228 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,960 So I just opened the door, stepped outside, 229 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,600 lit up a smoke and took a deep breath. 230 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,440 He just drove off. 231 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,480 That was it. 232 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,600 I really, really believe 233 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,800 that the main reason I got fired 234 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,720 was because of egos. 235 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,960 Drumming had nothing to do with it. 236 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,160 It was bullshit. 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,880 I reckon I was about nine or ten 238 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,640 when I decided I was going to be a musician. 239 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,440 My nana had a tape recorder and then my cousins had one 240 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,760 and then I had two tape recorders together. 241 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,160 And I'd go from one to the other 242 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,280 and I'd add bits and pieces. 243 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,480 I'd seen the Moonshine Jugand String Band which I loved, 244 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,960 and we would run into them at these gigs 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,480 and I remember saying to Doc one time, 246 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,040 "'Why did you guys stop doing the jug band?" 247 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,160 Because the jug band was really good. 248 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,880 "But if you don't mind me saying, 249 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,520 the Keystone Angels don't sound that good." 250 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,280 He said, "Oh, we're just learning 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,360 how to play electric music." 252 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,360 Robbie Robertson, 253 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,640 who runs the Thebarton Theatre, rang me up. 254 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,840 So I go into this meetingand there's John, Rick and Doc. 255 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,760 And immediately I went, 256 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,600 "Oh, no, the Keystone Angels. No, I don't know about that." 257 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 I thought, "Well, I'll join you for six months, 258 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,440 see if I like it and I'll come to Sydney." 259 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,760 If I don't like it, I just thought 260 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,560 I could leave or go back to London 261 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:41,320 which was what my plan was anyway. 262 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,160 Any time you started to talk about, 263 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,280 you know, things rhythmic, Doc couldn't do it. 264 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,360 He just physically couldn't do it. 265 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,040 And I'd kind of be dropping hints about, you know, 266 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,240 wouldn't it be nice if there was a bass player 267 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,880 that could sort of keep up with me? 268 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,520 You know. 269 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,080 One Saturday afternoon in Neutral Bay 270 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,360 in a crummy boarding house that we were stuck in, 271 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,960 it was an open meeting 272 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,000 so we could all say whatever we wanted. 273 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,720 And there were reasons 274 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,160 why John should be the frontman. 275 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,360 He could play harp and he was a good singer. 276 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,400 And then we sort of went round the circle of the four of us. 277 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,880 We got to Buzz and he said, 278 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,280 "Well, I think Doc should be the lead singer, 279 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,640 because he's got the worst voice in the band." 280 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,320 I gave him a look that could kill. 281 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Like, really, I was pretty insulted. 282 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,560 Buzz very quickly corrected himself and said, 283 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,760 "No, what I mean is the most distinctive voice." 284 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,560 I said, "Look, why don't we just get a bass player 285 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,040 and make it a five-piece band?" 286 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Buzz had contactwith Chris Bailey in Adelaide. 287 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,000 I, for one, went, "Oh, yeah, you gotta be kidding." 288 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,720 He was frontman for his own band. 289 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Suddenly we had a rhythm section. 290 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,280 We had some of that magic. 291 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,360 It was amazing. 292 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 # Hold tight, big brother 293 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,680 # Calling in the name of liberty 294 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,840 # Lots stone take your place 295 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,040 # Looks like It's comin' down on me 296 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,360 # Down on me 297 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,560 I had this old EH Holden station wagon 298 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,800 and we would just go from town to town, seven nights a week. 299 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Every time we stopped on the road 300 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,040 we'd play gentlemen's frisbee 301 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,840 and it was fantastic fun, but never Doc. 302 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,720 He would be off in a corner somewhere, reading a book. 303 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Doc didn't play frisbee. 304 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,440 Doc used to get hit by the frisbee. 305 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,480 Doc, no matter where he was, would get hit. 306 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,080 John was assertive. 307 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,320 I saw John as the leader, 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,400 without really thinking of it in those terms ever, 309 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,080 at that time. 310 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,440 I did all the driving back in the old days, 311 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,080 mainly because I was probably not out of it. 312 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,720 I was probably the least out of it. 313 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Thousands and thousands of miles 314 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,040 in the old station wagon. 315 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,080 I don't remember anyone driving apart from John. 316 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,760 He was very confident in the band 317 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,920 and he was the guy that went daily to the agent 318 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 and he would literally stand over his shoulder, 319 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,040 looking at the calendar, saying, 320 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,200 "There's a hole there. Fill it. Come on, come on." 321 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,880 "Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again" the single, 322 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,840 was what we call a turntable hit. 323 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Got lots of radio play, but got no sales. 324 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,920 Sold a few copies to people like my mother. 325 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,800 They put out a song called "You're a Lady Now". 326 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,800 I have no idea why they put that out. 327 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,720 The album itself wasn't received that well. 328 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Sank without a trace. 329 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,720 We thought "Comin' Down" was gonna be our big hit. 330 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,160 And that didn't really take off. 331 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,840 Another flop. 332 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,120 One flop after another. 333 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,640 Harry and George asked Rick and I 334 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,080 to step out into the corridor. 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,360 And my heart sank. 336 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,040 I thought, "They've lost interest." 337 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,640 Vanda and Young had asked me 338 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,080 if I wanted to be their apprentice. 339 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,880 Of course I said yes, you know, 340 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,400 and so I started working with their artists. 341 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,280 AC/DC, "Love Is In The Air", John Paul Young. 342 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,240 You know, after about six months, 343 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,200 George Young came up to me, 344 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,720 and said, "Look, we're thinking of dropping the Angels. 345 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,400 We can't see us 346 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,760 doing a lot of work with them any more, 347 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,000 because they weren't a commercial success. 348 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,240 But if you'd like to work with them, 349 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,040 you know, we'll keep trying." 350 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,800 # White line On the burning road 351 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,320 AC/DC have a sound. 352 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,960 The Rolling Stones have a sound. 353 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Everyone has a unique audio footprint. 354 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,600 And yet in most Australian acts, 355 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,040 it was just all these different songs, 356 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,200 like throwing mud against a wall 357 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,320 to see if it would stick. 358 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,800 So I wanted to make a record 359 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,640 that the apprentice butcher or the young tradie 360 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,280 could get his cassette and slam it into his car 361 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320 and drive off to the pubwith this blaring really loud. 362 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,720 # She promised herself this would be the last one 363 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Punk music was ending. 364 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,560 So it struck me 365 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,320 that what I had to do with the Angels 366 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,400 was come up with some sophisticated punk sound. 367 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,840 Now, I had no idea what that sound was. 368 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Absolutely zero. 369 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600 I'm sure John Brewster would have regarded me 370 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,120 with a little bit of suspicion, 371 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,400 because all of a sudden I had a bit of power. 372 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,200 But that's fair enough, too. 373 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,880 Without John Brewster, there's no Angels. 374 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,080 Robyn. 375 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,880 John was doted on by his mother, 376 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,560 if that's the way of saying it. 377 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520 I think he came after a child that died, 378 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,840 so she was quite protective 379 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,000 and I think that he picked up on that 380 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,880 and was quite neurotic about health 381 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,320 and safety and illness and... yeah. 382 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,240 We never even heard of Robert until years later. 383 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,360 All I saw was John getting a lot of attention. 384 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,840 And I never wanted that sort of attention. 385 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,200 John was a major worry wart. 386 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,120 John would worry about every little detail. 387 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,680 He was definitely the mother of the band. 388 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,520 We couldn't afford accountants, so I'd do it all 389 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,000 and you know, we bought a truck and all this stuff. 390 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,120 So there was this massive pressure 391 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,240 of repayments to a loan. 392 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,680 I couldn't sleep at night. 393 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,920 There was some talk 394 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,520 of putting the jug band back together again. 395 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680 You know, it's three years too late, 396 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,080 but maybe I could go back to entomology. 397 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,440 And I said, "Hang on, 398 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,920 we've got seven weeks of gigs coming up. 399 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,440 Now we've got to do that seven weeks 400 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,680 and we'll see how we're going then." 401 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,320 Week one, our van blew a tyre. 402 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,320 - Boom! 403 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,960 We talked to Ted Albert, who said, "No." 404 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000 "I'm not loaning you money." 405 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,600 John approached me for money. 406 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,920 I had no money. 407 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,960 I went from Sydney to Adelaide, 408 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,360 went down to Victor Harbour. 409 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,000 Asked Dad to help us out. 410 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,560 Of course, Dad knocked me back and then he sort of said, 411 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,720 "Well, you've forced me to make a commentary 412 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,160 about what you're doing." 413 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,240 He said, "I think you and Rickhave made a very big mistake." 414 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,880 I was thinking about 415 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,240 how I was gonna go back to Sydney 416 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,640 and have to tell the band, 417 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,120 "I'm sorry, guys, it's not gonna happen." 418 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,760 The song just came into my head. 419 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,320 It was at Chequersand it was a wet Tuesday night 420 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,680 which doesn't mean anything, but it adds to the moment. 421 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,520 And... 422 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,920 I think I was doing the door. 423 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,960 And then they sung a song called "I Ain't the One". 424 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,880 You could almost feel the band 425 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,600 sensing they'd found themselves. 426 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400 The people who'd been sitting up the back 427 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,160 rushed to the front, 428 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,640 and it was a moment from which you couldn't go back 429 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,640 because it laid out for them 430 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,160 exactly who and what they could be. 431 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,440 We used to rehearse 432 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,760 in the basementof somebody's house in Balmain. 433 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,720 It was like airless, shirts off 434 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,400 and sweat pouring off of us. 435 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,640 Someone would be going, 436 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,640 "De-de-de-de-eh, de-de-de-de-de-de," 437 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840 and we'd do that for, like, 20 minutes 438 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,560 and you'd go, "I've had enough of this. 439 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,440 For God's sake play another chord! Play a D." 440 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560 The main element of it was called an eighth note 441 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,160 which we called "nick nick". 442 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,320 We had all these other songs. 443 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,760 "Well, we can put it in that one, 444 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,000 we can put it in that song, 445 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,480 we can put it in this song." 446 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,880 And we can write new songs that incorporate it. 447 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,560 We were all smoking marijuana. 448 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640 It's so much a music drug 449 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680 and also the camaraderie that exists. 450 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,120 If you're all having a joint, 451 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,000 you're all on a pretty similar wavelength. 452 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,360 I was very fortunate with "Face to Face" 453 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,080 because when we did the vocals, 454 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,160 it'd just be me and Doc together. 455 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160 I set the microphone up in the control room 456 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560 with the big speakers, 457 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,760 because I wanted him to get the feel of it. 458 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,440 The idea was to have no one else around 459 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,760 and so that way, 460 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,160 he could disappear into his own world. 461 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,160 When it was a four-piece band, 462 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,520 when I first joined, 463 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840 it was kind of... everyone was very tight. 464 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,840 And as soon as Chris came in and it was a five-piece band, 465 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,720 it changed the dynamic quite a bit. 466 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,360 It changed it a lot, actually. 467 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,000 When we officially formed 468 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,600 Brewster-Neeson-Brewster, 469 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,200 it would have been 470 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,880 when Buzz and Chris were both in the band. 471 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,480 We were sitting around in a room like this 472 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,200 with a couple of guitars, all throwing in ideas. 473 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,720 And Doc would have his notebook, 474 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,040 singing along. 475 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,520 It felt like a real team. 476 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,960 Chris didn't show any interest in writing. 477 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,720 But Buzz wanted to write. 478 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,720 There was this push-pull thing 479 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,280 between musical styles. 480 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,280 I mean, those guys hadn't heard the Ramones. 481 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,560 You know? 482 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,640 And I was, like... "You haven't heard..." 483 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,800 "You haven't heard the Ramones?" 484 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,400 Many times, nBuzz or Chris would say to me, 485 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,960 "Oh, gee, I wanna leave the band." 486 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,360 And I said, "Do not leave the band 487 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,720 Do not. This is going to be so big. 488 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Do not leave. Do not leave. 489 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,680 You're so crucial." 490 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680 It created this nice friction, this tension, 491 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,120 and that's the thing 492 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,960 that I was always looking for in the songs. 493 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,480 "Create tension, create tension." 494 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Then Rick wrote Take A Long Line. 495 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,960 This is it, folks, over the top. 496 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,920 Once that hit the airwaves, 497 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,440 they broke records. 498 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,640 It was a dam breaking. 499 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,280 And it just boomed up the charts. 500 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,440 We played with David Bowie, AC/DC, Meatloaf. 501 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,320 The Angels! 502 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,680 # He was selling postcards from a paper stand 503 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,520 # The whiskey bottle in his withered hand 504 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,800 # Put his finger on a photo from an old magazine 505 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,320 That summer, 506 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,880 you could walk outside the back of your house 507 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,320 and you'd hear "Face to Face" 508 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,760 being played in the backyards all around. 509 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,320 In the car next to you at the traffic lights and 510 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,360 and driving past someone's barbecue, 511 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,600 you'd hear... 512 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:25,560 # Take a long line... 513 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,040 # Reel him in 514 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Manly Vale Hotel. 1,800 people in there. 515 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800 The agent called the manager and said, 516 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,480 "We suggest you take out all your tables and chairs." 517 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,640 And the publican said, 518 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,840 "Don't tell me how to run my hotel." 519 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,160 At the end our show, I'm standing on the stage, 520 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960 and there's not one table, not one chair in one piece. 521 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880 The whole place is wreckedwith glass all over the floor. 522 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,560 Every now and again you see a thong where there's blood. 523 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,120 And the manager's walking towards me 524 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,880 and as he got closer I said, "Sorry about the damage." 525 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,880 And he said, "Damage? What damage? 526 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,040 This is my bar take. 527 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,680 When can I get you guys back here?" 528 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Fifa Riccobono came to me and she said, 529 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,080 "Oh, 'Face to Face' has gone gold." 530 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,560 I said, "Fifa, 531 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,880 this album's gonna go a lot further than gold. 532 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600 This has changed Australian music." 533 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,160 # Take a long line 534 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,800 # Reel him in 535 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,640 # Take a long line 536 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,800 # Reel him in 537 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,520 George said, "Your best way on stage, 538 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,520 because you haven't been a frontman before, 539 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800 is just to do anything that you want." 540 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,200 I went, "Anything?" 541 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,160 I decided to go down to Sydney Fish Markets 542 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,480 and I bought about a dozen foot-long fish. 543 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,360 I cleaned them, disinfected them 544 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,160 lowered them into a bucket 545 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040 and took them to the Bondi Lifesaver 546 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,400 and kept them out of sight 547 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,080 from the band because I thought, 548 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,880 "'Let's give the audience something to talk about." 549 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,880 I didn't realise there was fish meat on the head 550 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840 and it was breaking offand getting on people's clothes 551 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,560 and getting on their skin 552 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,040 and a few people 553 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,440 actually started throwing them back at the band. 554 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,960 And one hit Chris Bailey's bass 555 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,400 and kind of mushed itself right across all his strings. 556 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,200 So he had to play the rest of the night... 557 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,760 ... with fish head all through his guitar. 558 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200 And he came off the stage, you know, when we were all off 559 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,040 and I was kind of thinking, 560 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040 "Mmm, wonder how the fish thing went." 561 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,680 And he came up to me and he said, very quietly, 562 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,160 "Doc, I never interfere 563 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,720 with what you're doing on stage, 564 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,360 but if you ever fucking throw fish out again, 565 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,720 I'm not playing with this band." 566 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,480 At a nightclub where I'd got a part-time job on weekends 567 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,680 as a roadie, 568 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,120 I was on stage 569 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,400 and I just happened to look across the room 570 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,680 and I saw this girl with these beautiful eyes 571 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,080 just about to sit down 572 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,680 and I thought, 573 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,920 "Hmm, if I were to sit beside her for the next hour, 574 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800 I'd have the chance to... to chat her up." 575 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800 So I put on a bit of a spurt, 576 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,000 kissed her on the cheek goodnight, 577 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,200 but got her phone number. 578 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Daniel was born, and Bernard in his usual sort of way 579 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,880 had arranged for Daniel and I 580 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000 to come home in a horse and carriage. 581 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,400 With Kieran, it was a limousine and champagne in the back 582 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800 and it was such a delightful part of him 583 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,360 where he really wanted to, 584 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,880 you know, make an occasion of this 585 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,160 because it was important. 586 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,120 See, if you get it right, 587 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720 when he goes up on the shoulder like this, 588 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,120 he gives a projectile vomit. 589 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Six or seven years upon migrating from Ireland, 590 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,680 you know, he had a relationship with my mum, 591 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720 got into music and got into drama school. 592 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360 I think from that point on, it was, like, 593 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,000 "Well, what can I do with this place?" 594 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320 You know, "What buttons can I push? 595 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040 What is there to explore in life?" 596 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Bernard liked German Expressionism in film, 597 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960 in particular where there was high drama, 598 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,600 there was lots of contrasts and long shadows. 599 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080 He was into poetry, 600 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,080 he was into Bertolt Brecht writings and Kafka. 601 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,560 I was looking to be 602 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880 a film director and write scripts. 603 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,880 The flash of life 604 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,040 that is the second that begins the day. 605 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680 # Holding council with the king and queen 606 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,320 # Trying hard to decide the fate of their regime 607 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960 # There's only one thing needed to complete the harmonising 608 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,800 # That's a man with a voice like a scraping violin 609 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160 # Waiting for Mr Damage... 610 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,640 He wanted to benan untouchable, magical thing. 611 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,160 # Trying hard just to keep a candle lit 612 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,600 # A leather flyer leaves the subway anxious to admit 613 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,040 # That the marvelled one so recently deposed 614 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,960 # Was seen three days laterin a brand new suit of clothes 615 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,320 # Brand new suit of clothes for a very special day... 616 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,240 He's one of these people who contains this energy... 617 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,040 like a bomb. 618 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280 # A brand new suit of clothes for a very special day 619 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400 His energy translates by him letting it go 620 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200 screaming across the audience. 621 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,480 It's in, it's in, it's in and then he goes, "Bang!" 622 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240 # Hey! 623 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,040 # Mr Damage holds a curse 624 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,080 # Mr Damage drives a hearse 625 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880 # Don't you know who did it first? 626 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,840 # Mr Damage 627 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 # Mr Damage 628 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,120 # Walks through the door 629 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,480 # Of his sacrificial church 630 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120 # Mr Damage 631 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,320 # Meet you in the lobby 632 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,640 # And he'll leave you In the lurch 633 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120 # Mr Damage 634 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,440 # Stands at the altar 635 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,720 # Sermon of the search 636 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,800 # All the faithful follow 637 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 # Holding frozen hands 638 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,800 # As Mr Damage holds the curse 639 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,120 1979, I think we did 330 gigs. 640 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,640 So that only left, you know, 641 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400 35 days when we didn't have a gig. 642 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,040 Which is not very many. 643 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440 I saw less of him. 644 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080 In fact, the year that I was pregnant with Sam, 645 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,600 I think I would have seen him 646 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,520 only for a few months of that year. 647 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,080 You could never sort of stop and think. 648 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 You know, we were just on the road all the time. 649 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640 Ray Hawkins, he knew nothing about lights. 650 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,080 I was at law school, 651 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,480 but I'd just been busted for dealing drugs, 652 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,640 so I wasn't exactly your normal... 653 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360 ...your normal law student. 654 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,800 We used to go around to Ray's house 655 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,160 and physically build lights. 656 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,640 We had this little production line. 657 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Crimp, rivet, grommet. Crimp, rivet, grommet. 658 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680 And then we'd set the lights up 659 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120 at four o'clock in the morning out in his back yard. 660 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,880 The singular feature 661 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960 of the Angels' lighting was darkness. 662 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,160 As well as black being a colour we used, 663 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,800 Doc used silence 664 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160 in the middle of his raves. 665 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,080 For a rock and roll band 666 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,360 to use a poignant, pregnant pause, 667 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,040 and leave the moment 668 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600 for people to fill in as they wish, 669 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,800 it was theatre, it was perfect. 670 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080 And it was complex and it was menacing. 671 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,280 I think they touched people deeply 672 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,600 on a level that no one even understood 673 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,120 because into darkness, 674 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,800 you can project your own fears and subconscious. 675 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040 The Angels were just incandescent. 676 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160 When the bandfirst kind of hit the heights, 677 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,800 it was mainly males. 678 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,720 I'm looking at all these guys with their shirts off, 679 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,520 sweating and drinking beer and stuff 680 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,600 and I look out and there, 681 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,760 standing on a table, dancing, is my mum. 682 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,760 She was... You know, we could do no wrong. 683 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,800 My dad never came to a show. 684 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,200 Rick tried to be a rock and roll performer. 685 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,200 Didn't work. 686 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,520 He was kind of a bit eccentric. 687 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160 He used to take a sewing machine on the road 688 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560 in case he had to run up a pair of flares. 689 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,400 He had for no apparent reason 690 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960 bought 11 red phone boxes, 691 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,000 and then put store mannequins inside them. 692 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,760 He looked really ungainly 693 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640 when he used to walk around on stage. 694 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,120 We'd sort of be on him and say, 695 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,360 "Hey, Rick, you know, 696 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,840 that silly little move you make. 697 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Do you have to do that?" You know? 698 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,960 And finally he said one day, 699 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,320 "What do you want me to do? Stand still?" 700 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,480 # I ain't the one... 701 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,880 No one could stand still with that intensity. 702 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520 Doc would go up to Rick and scream in his ear 703 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040 and Rick would still just stand there like this. 704 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,240 When it came to "I Ain't The One" 705 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,640 and all the focus was on Doc. 706 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,440 Fade to black. Rick would go off the stage. 707 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560 Put a cardboard cut-out of Rick up there, life size. 708 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640 The light would come up from behind him 709 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,440 so they were only seeing a silhouette. 710 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,920 And then Doc, in his antics, 711 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,200 would be dancing across the stage and whack! 712 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,200 Fold in the middle, flat to the ground. 713 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,160 He would rip the head off 714 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240 and frisbee it out into the crowd. 715 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,760 But it's the only time he'd frisbee. 716 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,120 What I used to hear the Angels doing 717 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,600 for at least half an hour 718 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000 in whatever dressing room space that they had, 719 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,720 they carried practice amps and they set them up there 720 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,200 and all three of the guitars, Chris Bailey on bass, 721 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000 the two Brewster brothers 722 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480 would play together for at least half an hour, 723 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880 probably more like 45 minutes. 724 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,760 And this was all about getting the guitars exactly in tune. 725 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Of course they're doing it all by ear. 726 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,480 There were no tuners. 727 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,600 So, that was the way they locked themselves in. 728 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200 And that became a real thing for me 729 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,480 because they were such a tight band. 730 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,880 I think that's the defining thing about them. It was... 731 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Oh, I don't know, 732 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160 kind of almost a religious experience for me. 733 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,400 Now? Yes! 734 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,680 Now! 735 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,200 Proudmans was built for ballet. 736 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,200 The speaker columns and the ceilings 737 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,560 bouncing up and down. 738 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,600 Suddenly the whole truss 739 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920 comes down and it scatters the audience 740 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000 No one was injured. It was hilarious. 741 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 They've been transformed into this menacing, 742 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,320 road-tough new band 743 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,360 with a whole lot of new material 744 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,800 played incredibly fast. 745 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,600 The Oils had to compete with this. 746 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,920 You see Guns N' Roses. 747 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,120 Their singer, he took everything from that. 748 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,440 # I ain't the one I ain't the one 749 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000 # I ain't the one to judge 750 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120 # I ain't the one I ain't the one... 751 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,720 You'll never ever tell me 752 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,360 that he didn't know exactly what he was doing 753 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,560 every second of the performance. 754 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,920 Everything's in lockstep. 755 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,320 They can feel it. 756 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,720 Everything, every note, it's milliseconds going down 757 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,640 and they're on the same wavelength. 758 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,680 # I ain't the one I ain't the one 759 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,320 # I ain't the one to judge 760 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680 # I ain't the one I ain't the one 761 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,320 # I ain't the one to judge 762 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680 # I ain't the one I ain't the one 763 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640 # I ain't the one to judge 764 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,280 Well, we're into the 1980s, 765 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,640 but it hasn't started outas an entirely happy New Year. 766 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600 Hooliganism marred the New Year's Eve revelries 767 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,240 at the Opera House last night, 768 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,000 bringing the Sydney Festival Concert 769 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,920 to an abrupt and violent end. 770 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,720 Sixty-five people were taken to hospital 771 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,800 and there were more than 40 arrests. 772 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400 Everyone was shitfaced 773 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,160 and started to frisbee these pieces of masonite 774 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,240 up onto the stage. 775 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,280 Chris and I are just going, 776 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,600 "'Fuck..." you know, 777 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,800 "Is someone gonna stop this or what?" 778 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440 Right then, this flagon 779 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,360 that had been broken off went... 780 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,560 Embedded itself in the wood. 781 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,840 Just missed me. And I just said to Chris, 782 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600 "Next song, mate, I'm outta here. 783 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,560 I'm just gonna get up and walk off." 784 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,760 And Chris, you know, he's playing along and, 785 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,360 "Yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, all right". 786 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,920 And he turned around and this bottle... 787 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920 Bang! Knocked him unconscious. 788 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,640 And I just got up and I ran 789 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,200 to the fucking front mic and I said, 790 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,800 "You fucking idiots! Arseholes!" 791 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400 You know, and I'm fucking like this and Rick's still... 792 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,240 Rick's still playing, and I'm going, 793 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:20,320 "For fuck's sake, get off!" 794 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:22,680 - And then... 795 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:31,880 For whatever reason... 796 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,640 Well, hang on, whatever reason? 797 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,720 It was alcohol. 798 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,120 They were drunk as skunks 799 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,680 by the time the Angels came on. 800 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,680 That's the funny thing with crowds. 801 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120 It's like, you can have a religious experience, 802 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,840 but then, the darkness can come in 803 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,600 if people are not in a good space. 804 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000 I rolled the dice. 805 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000 It was a double one. A classic. 806 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,280 There was a lot of fear about doing the next album 807 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,440 because it was five times platinum, 808 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,800 because you've got to now live up 809 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,280 to what you've created before. 810 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,200 "Face to Face" 811 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040 was a real three-part collaboration. 812 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200 For me, it started to fall apart 813 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160 on the next album, "No Exit". 814 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:25,000 I don't know. 815 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,720 I don't even know what Doc did with his time. 816 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,080 He could strum an instrument 817 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,840 but he wasn't, by any means, a musician. 818 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,480 I mean, he had musical inclinations, 819 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,360 but I don't think he was... 820 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,360 I mean, he wasn't as proficient 821 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,080 at guitar as the Brewsters 822 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,840 and, you know, Rick 823 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,800 who's just a consummate shredder. 824 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,600 There's always a threat of knowing where you fit 825 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,800 or understanding where you fit. 826 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,760 That can lead to insecurities. 827 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,280 Yeah, the new album, of course, for the Angels 828 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,560 is the important thing 829 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,440 on the scene at the moment for the boys. 830 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,000 The Face to Facealbum, um, at 75,000 copies, I believe? 831 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,240 - Apparently. - John, yeah. 832 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,480 Can you tell us a bit about the album itself 833 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,880 and how long it took 834 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,240 and where you did it? 835 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,520 Well, we, uh, did it at Alberts, 836 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,240 the same place we did Face to Face. 837 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,200 We did it a little bit differently to Face to Face. 838 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,800 We... uh, put amps in different rooms 839 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,360 and the production's a bit different. 840 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,920 Um... But we also wrote all this... 841 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200 Well, nearly all of the songs on this in the studio, 842 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440 which is a bit different from Face to Faceagain 843 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,480 because most of that stuff was written on the road. 844 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,800 So you had a bit of time 845 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,240 to sit down and think, did you, this time? 846 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,360 Yeah, we took about two and a half months on it. 847 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,640 You're the quiet one here, Rick. 848 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480 You get involved sort of with John and Doc 849 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,920 on the song writing side of things or... 850 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,760 - Oh, yeah. - Fairly heavily? 851 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560 - Yes. - Yeah, yeah. 852 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,560 - So the answer is yes. - He's talkative. 853 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,640 How's Doc, anyway? 854 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,760 I haven't seen him for a while. 855 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,440 I haven't seen him for a while either. 856 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,000 Oh, I see, so after a heavy night... 857 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000 No, he's turned into a bit of recluse these days. 858 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,680 Right. So tonight at the Finsbury 859 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,760 and tomorrow night? 860 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,120 They would come into the studio 861 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,800 with a song, finished. 862 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080 And it was said to me a couple of times, 863 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,040 "Shut up and play the drums." 864 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,840 Oh, that's me there, so you've got a camera. 865 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,720 When Rick and I were writing together, 866 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,520 it was the most creative time 867 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,720 and it was an incredible relationship. 868 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,800 Quite often, we would end up hating each other 869 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,680 and they were ridiculous arguments. 870 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680 They went from musical arguments 871 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,560 to personality shredding. 872 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,200 And people would go, 873 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,960 "Oh, my God, you know, the band's about to break up." 874 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,440 And then half an hour later, 875 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840 we wouldn't even know what we were talking about. 876 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,400 By the time we walked out of the studio, 877 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160 the little caf� across the road was open 878 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,720 and people were going to work. 879 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,760 Coordination. 880 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,200 Can roll in... 881 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,680 John was driven. 882 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560 He had a passion, he had a vision. 883 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200 He had loads of self-confidence. 884 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,560 There was one agency called Premier Artist 885 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,320 and they handled all the bands. 886 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,280 And there were two managers. 887 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,000 John Woodruff managed the Angels 888 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,520 and Rod Willis managed Cold Chisel. 889 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880 They worked out that between those two bands 890 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,640 who were massive at the time, 891 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040 that they were doing half the business of the agency 892 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,120 but weren't gettingany better deal than, you know, 893 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,040 all the other hundred little tiny bands. 894 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,480 John Woodruff, Ray Hearn and Rod Willis 895 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560 took the Angels, Cold Chisel and Flowers, or Icehouse, 896 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,960 I think by then, and formed Dirty Pool Artists. 897 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,680 If you wanted to book the Angels 898 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,280 or you wanted to book Cold Chisel, 899 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,480 you had to go to the managers and just do a deal. 900 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960 It was just really, nreally innovative for the time. 901 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880 Got a lot of the establishment noses out of joint. 902 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040 John Woodruff came to the band and said, 903 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,960 "I can get you a deal with Epic Records 904 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,600 where you get more money." 905 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,040 Basically, 906 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,160 John Woodruff walked into Alberts and said, 907 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,880 "We're leaving the company." 908 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,200 I found out when I was doing 909 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,280 "Choir Girl" with Cold Chisel. 910 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,560 Went back to Alberts, said, "What? What's going on?" 911 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,160 He said, "No, they've decided to leave 912 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,840 and go to Epic Records, 913 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,520 which is part of CBS Sony." 914 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,800 And I just couldn't believe it. 915 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,760 Epic Records treated us like pop stars. 916 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,240 Like the first time we went to England, 917 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,760 we had Bentleys and we went to Lord's 918 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,280 and had cucumber sandwiches. 919 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400 You know, the first time we went to America, 920 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,280 you know, we were into the main office 921 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,880 and we were taken out to dinner. 922 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,000 And you're outnon the road for months on end, 923 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,800 and pretty girls come and things happen. 924 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,800 Particularly in America. 925 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,240 I had a girlfriend, Kaye. 926 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,520 I went through the whole Angels experience 927 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,920 as Mr Monogamous. 928 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,280 I still had no idea 929 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,480 that people snorted white powder. 930 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440 In Los Angeles we had an engineer. 931 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,320 I watched him get a gram of coke 932 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,320 and on the mixing console, 933 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,840 he put the whole gram out, chopped one long line, 934 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,680 and just went up it with a straw, 935 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,160 the whole gram. 936 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,160 Bang. 937 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,760 There was something going on. 938 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,320 It was just starting to break. 939 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,600 KGON, I think, 940 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,120 was the radio station in Portland. 941 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,800 They gave us the keys to the city 942 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,120 and they put us in their Hall of Fame. 943 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,320 We killed it. 944 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560 The band were very, very popular 945 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,600 in some parts of America. 946 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,520 Sometimes when you tour with bands, 947 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,160 they greet you with open arms 948 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,000 and other times you're just like 949 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,880 something off the bottom of their shoe. 950 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680 We started The Kinks tour in the areas 951 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,200 where we'd been before 952 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,120 and we were actually quite successful. 953 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,920 Chicago we'd been to before. 954 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,320 Seattle, Portland, Vancouver. 955 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040 So when we turned up with The Kinks, 956 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,240 there would've been 7,000 people there 957 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,840 that knew who we were. 958 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,120 Poor old Ray Davies didn't like that. 959 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,040 When we did our bit 960 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,840 and when Doc ran out into the audience, 961 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920 all the audience went nuts and went, 962 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,360 "Hey, this is cool. You know, these guys are great." 963 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,880 The Kinks' road crew began putting tape 964 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560 on each side of me 965 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000 and I wasn't supposed to go past that tape on the stage. 966 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,760 # Shadow boxer 967 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,160 # Don't go Walking out late... 968 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,520 Doc would immediately go past it, 969 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,280 immediately pissing them off. 970 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,640 When that didn't work, 971 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,640 they started giving us less lighting. 972 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,760 And when that didn't work, 973 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,120 they started actually giving us less of the PA. 974 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,320 We were still drawing encores. 975 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,320 # You might find that you have turned to stone 976 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,360 It was very exciting for us, of course. 977 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,640 # Shadow boxer 978 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,080 # Shadow boxer 979 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,960 # Yeah 980 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,840 Eventually, dear old Ray had a hissy fit 981 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,240 and chucked us off the tour. 982 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920 I wouldn't put it past Ray Davies, I'll tell ya. 983 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,400 It was an honour to get tossed off that tour, probably. 984 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,760 Yeah. 985 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,480 It was an honour to be on and get tossed off. 986 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960 - That's right. - Yeah. 987 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,360 Then "Marseilles" got on 988 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080 178 radio stations around the country. 989 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,480 I mean, you get on radio in America, 990 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,040 and that's a big deal. 991 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,080 It's the largest record buying public in the world. 992 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,960 Should have stayed in the States longer. 993 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,240 Yeah, they should have stayed in the States. 994 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,280 I blame their management. 995 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,080 The Epic deal that we signed 996 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,560 involved them paying us an advance. 997 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,320 We used about $125,000 of that advance 998 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,600 to buy out of a year of contract with Alberts. 999 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,640 We had to pay all the legal bills 1000 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,120 and then we had to pay the manager. 1001 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040 By the time all those things were done, we had no money left. 1002 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,760 John Woodruff 1003 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,840 didn't actually put the other side of it, 1004 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,240 which was "You'll have to pay for your studio, 1005 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,520 you have to pay for your engineer, 1006 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,440 you'll have to pay for your producer", 1007 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,720 that we didn't have to with Alberts. 1008 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,360 Musicians tend to, on the whole, 1009 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,040 go, when it works, it was them. 1010 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,920 When it fails, it was the manager. 1011 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,320 Woodruff probably felt, to break America, 1012 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,000 you needed a multinational like CBS or Warner, 1013 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,360 and he made, I believe, the right call 1014 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000 by virtue of the fact that CBS 1015 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,040 had put a plan together that'd break America. 1016 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,000 We were sort of hell bent 1017 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,040 on what we were doing creatively, 1018 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680 that we went along with this. 1019 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,320 You know, and all of a sudden, 1020 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,640 we're out of Alberts, we're on our own. 1021 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,120 And we'd lost the family, you know. 1022 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,320 Buzz was certainly voicing some frustration. 1023 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,960 I remember him saying to me, "You guys won't use my songs." 1024 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,840 And I said, "What songs?" 1025 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,920 John Woodruffgot in touch with me and said, 1026 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,520 "Oh, we still want you to work on the albums 1027 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,080 to create the sounds, 1028 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,480 but we don't want you to be a producer any more." 1029 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,800 I'm, like... I said, "What?" 1030 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,400 you know, "How does that work?" 1031 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,040 Warner Bros. approached me and said, 1032 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680 "Oh, can you come and do the album with Cold Chisel?" 1033 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,760 An album that was called "East". 1034 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,160 And I said, "Yeah". 1035 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,920 And so I just said, 1036 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600 "Sorry, guys, I'm not doing this any more. 1037 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,120 You've only got me down as an engineer, 1038 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,360 so see you later." 1039 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000 And walked off the job, basically. 1040 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,960 I just told them I was leaving. 1041 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,840 Doc and Buzz came to us 1042 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,000 with a song called "No Secrets" 1043 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,240 which was a really slow ballad. 1044 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,120 We had this... 1045 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,640 Well, basically, Rick and I had a massive input 1046 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,240 into changing that song into what it is today. 1047 00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,840 John first came up with the riff 1048 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,320 which is the opening. 1049 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,000 Rick came up with the chorus. 1050 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,280 So instead of being... 1051 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,200 # She keeps no secrets... 1052 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,400 It became... 1053 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120 # She keeps no She keeps no 1054 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,400 # She keeps no secrets from you 1055 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,840 See, I can sing. 1056 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,960 # Amanda the actress waits at the station 1057 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,520 # She's drifting With nothing to do 1058 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,840 # With dilettante steps She's quick to accept... 1059 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,800 Because Buzz was always carrying on 1060 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,600 about he never got credited as a songwriter, 1061 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,240 that we decided, 1062 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,880 "Don't worry about it, nwe're not gonna claim anything. 1063 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,160 You guys have it." 1064 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,000 So it's down forever as Bidstrup-Neeson. 1065 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000 # She keeps no She keeps no 1066 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,640 # She keeps no secrets... 1067 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,880 And so, boy, that backfired. 1068 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,920 # She keeps no She keeps no 1069 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,320 # She keeps no Secrets from you... 1070 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,400 I was hoping that co-writing and co-producing 1071 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,040 their first top ten hit might have actually led to, 1072 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,320 "Hey, you got any more songs?" But it didn't. 1073 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,080 It was treated as an aberration 1074 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,360 or as a lucky fluke or something, 1075 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,160 I don't know. 1076 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,280 America made a hybrid 1077 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,000 out of "Face to Face" and "No Exit". 1078 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,720 So they took away a lot of the depth of those albums. 1079 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,600 And then Dark Room sounded radically different 1080 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,640 to the American Face to Face. 1081 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,160 And the record company are going, 1082 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,560 "Well, it doesn't sound like... they're not the same." 1083 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,280 It just changed dramatically 1084 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,160 when the record didn't take off. 1085 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,160 In London, you know, we had to get the tube. 1086 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,400 There was no room for anyone to get any external stimulus. 1087 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,720 It was all kind of focused in on this five people. 1088 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,080 You know, there was no... You didn't have a life. 1089 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,120 And that's what started to get to me. 1090 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880 I just... I couldn't do anything else 1091 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,480 and the thought of playing with anybody else 1092 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,800 or recording with anybody else was like a no-no. 1093 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,040 Like, you couldn't do it. 1094 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,920 John Woodruff, he was our manager 1095 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,760 and I did have this discussion with him 1096 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,480 with a snoot full of cocaine 1097 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120 in America where I just said, 1098 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,840 "Man, why don't you grow a pair 1099 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,880 and just go to them and tell them 1100 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,440 that if they don't consider 1101 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,920 at least some kind of remuneration 1102 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,280 like other people do..." Like it's not... 1103 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,240 I'm not asking for anything out of the ordinary. 1104 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,680 I'm just asking for what other people get. 1105 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,280 And it was just basically like, "Oh, well, you know. 1106 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560 They're never gonna share their song writing royalties 1107 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,760 so don't worry about it. 1108 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,800 You know, don't even think about it." 1109 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,880 And that was probably, you know, 1110 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,160 a week, two weeks before I left. 1111 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,440 # Iceman, come in From the cold 1112 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,200 When Buzz left the band, I think we threw a party. 1113 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,720 # Sleep Walker, fast talker 1114 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,560 # Feels nothing Dog eat dog 1115 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,440 # In the wasteland That's where you belong 1116 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,640 Buzz was just a fantastic drummer. 1117 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,160 If I look back on it with retrospect I'd say 1118 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,720 we should have tried to make him happy. 1119 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,280 I think we thought, "Oh, you know, 1120 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,920 we'll just get another drummer in." 1121 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,280 Thirty-two different guys turned up 1122 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520 and none of them were right. 1123 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,080 Now look at the man behind the scenes. 1124 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,000 Mr Brent Eccles. 1125 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,120 - Oh, hello. - The real deal. 1126 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,760 - Well, hello and welcome again. - Let's see if we can 1127 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,560 get you into focus, Brent. 1128 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,960 Welcome again to Opportunity Knocks. 1129 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120 And the slogan for this week is 1130 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,520 "Opportunity only knocks twice." 1131 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,000 And our first contestant... 1132 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,840 Brent, if I could just interrupt 1133 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,640 - you for a moment there? - Yes. 1134 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,360 A band is probably the worst 1135 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,120 business relationship you could possibly have. 1136 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,520 And being the drummer 1137 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,280 is probably right down the very bottom, 1138 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,080 because you're not writing the songs. 1139 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640 You know, you weren't an original member. 1140 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,400 You've come in as a... as a hired hand. 1141 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,880 John Woodruff had a contract and he said, 1142 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,840 "Because Buzz has gone, you have to sign that 1143 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,280 you've taken his place." 1144 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,120 And I said, "No problem, I'll sign the piece of paper, 1145 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,280 but I want to read the contract." 1146 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,200 They said, "Oh, nah. you can't, really." 1147 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,320 I said, "Well, I'm signing a piece of paper 1148 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,960 that's agreeing to the terms and conditions 1149 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,000 I can't even read. I just want to read it." 1150 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000 And John said, "Yeah, okay." 1151 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,680 So, I spent the next two weeks going through that contract, 1152 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000 understanding every clause. 1153 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,640 It was a very complicated document 1154 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,080 and I ended up understanding it totally. 1155 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120 I've never forgotten the stuff in it. 1156 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,040 It's set me up in my head for how music works 1157 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,080 and how contracts work for my entire life. 1158 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640 When Buzz left, Chris stayed in the band. 1159 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,280 You know, it was obvious Chris wasn't happy. 1160 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,560 So we asked Jim to join the band. 1161 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,040 I remember we used to travel on the tour bus 1162 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200 and I would go to bed with my notebook 1163 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,360 and a guitar in this tiny little bunk bed. 1164 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,240 And I'd be there for hours, writing songs. 1165 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,720 But I don't remember, you know, 1166 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,640 times like that, the three of us sitting around. 1167 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,320 More and more songs became 1168 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,920 either written by me or written by me and John. 1169 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,240 I got sick of it. 1170 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,480 I just said, "Nope. 1171 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,680 I want out. 1172 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,000 I want to put the credit where it belongs." 1173 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,000 Rick and John Brewster being brothers 1174 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,480 had a wonderful love/hate relationship. 1175 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,920 John was a bit of a hypochondriac. 1176 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,160 He would always be having heart attacks. 1177 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,240 The second day we worked together, 1178 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,760 John was lying on the studio floor 1179 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,200 clutching his chest saying, 1180 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,560 "Rick, Rick, I think I'm having a heart attack." 1181 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,640 And Rick calmly, quite calmy, 1182 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,080 just stepped over the top of him, 1183 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,360 looked at me and said, 1184 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,760 "We'd better do my guitars now." 1185 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,160 It was a great moment. I went, 1186 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,920 "Okay, I can work with you guys." 1187 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,520 They were cheerful, 1188 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,240 they were enthusiastic, they were hopeful. 1189 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,720 But there was an underlying tension there. 1190 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,200 None of these guys were as young as they used to be. 1191 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,240 Recording vocals in particular, 1192 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,160 John and Rick would both 1193 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,840 act as producers along with me. 1194 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,600 So there was a lot of opinions in the room 1195 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,560 about what's right, what's wrong. 1196 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,360 Brent at this stage was quite new to the band. 1197 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,840 He was very much the drummer. 1198 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,240 John would, to an extent, try and handle Doc. 1199 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:10,040 He was just a bulldog. He would not let things go. 1200 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,320 I recognise... 1201 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,680 So, to an extent 1202 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,120 Doc would just sort of go, "Okay, fine. 1203 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,800 All right, all right, fine, we'll do it that way." 1204 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,280 I'll get the last bag. 1205 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,880 Doc loved to have fun. 1206 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,280 And that probably never left him but... 1207 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,080 He drew away from the rest of us in the band, I think. 1208 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,280 That side of him, if you ask other people 1209 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,560 who were friends, 1210 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,600 they'd probably say it never went. 1211 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,520 I think for both Bernard and I, 1212 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,960 it was a bit ofna superficial industry, really. 1213 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,920 Um, it was certainly an aspect that I really didn't like 1214 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,120 and I think for Bernard, similarly, 1215 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,440 he had to be part of that. 1216 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,760 He would often stay behind at gigs and sign autographs 1217 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,600 or he would have to get up at two, 1218 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,920 three in the morning, whatever, 1219 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,760 to do a radio interview. 1220 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,720 Even after a gig, 1221 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,760 even though he'd put 110 % into his performance, 1222 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,640 he was still performing. 1223 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,720 He couldn't switch off. 1224 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,280 He just found some way to, sort of, come down, relax. 1225 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,240 For him it was alcohol. 1226 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160 It was a slow... a slow change, 1227 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,280 but the more popular the band became, 1228 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,960 the more the pressure came as well. 1229 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,600 He just didn't want to be 1230 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,640 corralled into a specific thing 1231 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,880 and I think he wanted a lot more 1232 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,680 artistic control of his life. 1233 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680 And I think that's what part of the problem was. 1234 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,280 Bernard was considered for the lead role ofMad Max 1235 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,840 which eventually went to Mel Gibson. 1236 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,520 It's not that anybody knew 1237 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240 what it was going to involve 1238 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,920 and how big it was going to get potentially, 1239 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,040 but it was a feature role. 1240 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,120 But again it was 1241 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,000 time that he couldn't give to those projects 1242 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,440 because it was taking time away from band life. 1243 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,080 He was making ridiculous demands. 1244 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,040 He needed to have the sun on his left. 1245 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,280 And we used to say, "What do you mean?" 1246 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,920 "When I wake up, I want the sun on my left." 1247 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,600 No one ever worked it out. 1248 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,600 And he started talking in the third person. 1249 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,880 "Doc needs to evolve." 1250 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,200 "Doc, you're talking about yourself." 1251 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,840 "I know, but Doc needs to evolve." 1252 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,640 We stopped for breakfast. 1253 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,240 He didn't sit with us, but we saw him. 1254 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,240 Furious red face, steam coming out of his ears. 1255 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,800 And at the top of his voice, 1256 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,720 "I asked for my eggs to be near the toast. 1257 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,960 They're touching!" 1258 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,480 He was dead serious. 1259 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,280 He knew what he was doing. 1260 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,400 You know, he'd sometimes... 1261 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,040 Sometimes when he'd be at his worst, 1262 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,320 he'd just give me a wink and go... 1263 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,080 Yeah, he'd know. He knew exactly what he was doing. 1264 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,000 He was playing games, you know? 1265 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,080 People say he wasn't one of the boys. 1266 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,000 I just don't know that he had a very good education 1267 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200 in how to perform in a group 1268 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,760 because he was told to police his family 1269 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,200 and be responsible for them. 1270 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,600 He was the eldest. There were five siblings, 1271 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,880 four boys, one girl. 1272 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,480 Money was a problem. 1273 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,360 Being the eldest even from a very young age, under ten, 1274 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,280 was put in charge of his siblings. 1275 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,400 He was responsible for seeing 1276 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,520 that certain household duties were done. 1277 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,240 With six children, I can imagine 1278 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,200 there would have been many a mutiny. 1279 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,320 I'd say he had trouble saying no 1280 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,720 in regards to hurting people's feelings. 1281 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,120 Saying no to the band, who he'd spend, 1282 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,640 you know, the majority of his time with, 1283 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,800 was probably the most difficult thing. 1284 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,640 # Nobody came... 1285 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,760 The possibility of that whole band dissolving 1286 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,840 was very threatening to other members 1287 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,080 because that was the family. 1288 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,560 I think he was torn. 1289 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,120 # Dream of yesterday 1290 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,680 # Fame 1291 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,520 # Fashion 1292 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,720 # Fashion and fame 1293 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,480 If you'd played your arse off 1294 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,640 for a couple of hours 1295 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,120 in a sweaty pub, you'd go back to the hotel, 1296 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,640 you're not going to sleep for two or three hours. 1297 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,160 You know, we'd smoke a bit of weed, 1298 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,760 you know, hang out with the road crew. 1299 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,040 You know, there were some moments with ecstasy 1300 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,120 which was a lot of fun, but all of us, 1301 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,560 you know, wives and girlfriends as well, which was a lot of fun. 1302 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,640 Yeah, we did it all, but it wasn't to any excess, 1303 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,920 you know, so it's not really a story. 1304 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,040 In Los Angeles, I went through a red light. 1305 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,640 As I pulled over, I was terrified. 1306 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,160 They asked me to step out of the car, 1307 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,280 which is what they do in America. 1308 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,040 And I was questioned by one cop. 1309 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,160 And the other one shone a flashlight in the car. 1310 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,040 He came out with a little brown bottle 1311 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,320 and he said, "Oh, it looks like we've got some nose candy." 1312 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,920 Bang. Face down on the pavement. Handcuffs. 1313 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,320 No questioning. 1314 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,680 No interview. Nothing. 1315 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,040 Woodruff picked me up in the morning 1316 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,800 and took me straight to a lawyer 1317 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,320 who was well known. 1318 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,400 He said, "I don't want to know the story, 1319 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,640 don't want to know anything about it. 1320 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,800 What do you want?" 1321 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,120 "Well, I want to get off." 1322 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,680 And he said, 1323 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,240 "Well, that's going to cost you this much 1324 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,960 for 100% chance of getting off. 1325 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,360 No conviction. 1326 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,320 If you want 80%, this will cost this much. 1327 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,800 If you want 50%, it'll cost this much." 1328 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,920 I said, "I want 100%, please." 1329 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,640 When his marriage broke up, 1330 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,560 the rock and roll side of Rick really came out. 1331 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,560 Maybe secretly, he always wanted to be a rock star, 1332 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,720 I don't know. 1333 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,320 But the fact that all of a sudden 1334 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,080 he was a multi-platinum selling artist, 1335 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,920 allowed him to do things 1336 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,320 that he wouldn't allow himself to do before. 1337 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,160 John felt very threatened by drugs. 1338 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,880 He didn't like it at all. 1339 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,720 It worried him. It scared him. 1340 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,920 If you're talking big brother, little brother, 1341 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,040 when he got into cocaine, it was a big alarm bell for me. 1342 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,480 Um, you know, I grew up with an alcoholic father. 1343 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,280 I left home quite young. 1344 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,120 But when I'd go and visit home, 1345 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,320 it was apparent that he was getting really bad. 1346 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,840 Finding bottles in the kitchen cupboards. 1347 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,680 You know, he was hiding it. 1348 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,280 Rick and I decided that something had to be done 1349 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,920 because he was getting really worse and worse. 1350 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,440 And, uh... We just thought... 1351 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,440 "We've got take Mum out of the situation. 1352 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,960 Uh, maybe it'll shock him 1353 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,240 that he actually could lose her." 1354 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,800 He'd come home and he'd say, "Where's your mother?" 1355 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,400 And we'd just say, "We're not telling you." 1356 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,920 I don't know whether it was a good thing to do or not, but... 1357 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,800 We just said, 1358 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,880 "We're not telling you until you stop drinking." 1359 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,800 Three days later he came home and I said to Rick, 1360 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:31,600 "He's sober." 1361 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,280 And he was. 1362 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:39,960 He never had another drink... 1363 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,120 for the rest of his life. 1364 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,800 It had to be largely driven by John. 1365 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,640 It certainly wasn't me. 1366 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,280 That's the thing that I, um... 1367 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,480 Did with the band too, you know. 1368 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,120 I'd come up with the ideas and we'd take it wherever it... 1369 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,080 Uh, what am I trying to say? 1370 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,280 Yes, I took control of that situation. 1371 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,880 One night, nBernard was drinking on stage. 1372 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,920 At the end of the gig, Rick came up to me in tears 1373 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,720 because he just felt so distraught 1374 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,840 at seeing this person who normally was so in control. 1375 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,000 I'm not the biggest fan of the Angels. 1376 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,200 There's a certain part of Australian violent suburbia 1377 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,200 that I don't really care for. 1378 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,200 I had this early recollection of him 1379 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,200 as just a dad and then, 1380 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,400 there was a time when he tried to maintain that persona, 1381 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,800 but it was completely undermined. 1382 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,520 One thing I just have not been experiencing before 1383 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,880 is recognition. 1384 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,840 And we've just done our first date in Canberra 1385 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,000 and I was in at the, uh... 1386 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,720 The Institute of Technology and Science 1387 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,080 or whatever they call it, 1388 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,680 and they've got fantastic things and it's all, you know, 1389 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,200 put your hands on and see all these gadgets, 1390 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,200 gyroscopes and lights flashing. 1391 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,840 It's a great place to visit. And I thought, 1392 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,080 "Great, I'm visiting during non-school, you know, 1393 01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,480 like, all the kids are at school. 1394 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,080 I'll be able to just cruise through 1395 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,200 and play with all the toys here." 1396 01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,560 I noticed his mood started to change 1397 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,080 and he became very agitated. 1398 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,640 And then suddenly, without warning, 1399 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,880 we were being chased. 1400 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,800 There must have been 40 school-aged children 1401 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,520 running after us, screaming. 1402 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,240 And he picked my younger brother up 1403 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,960 and, sort of, flung him over his shoulder 1404 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,520 and I was being dragged along by the hand. 1405 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,280 He kicked open a fire escape door and... 1406 01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,240 ...there were a big group of kids 1407 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,960 having a cigarette or something. 1408 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,760 They were, like, "Oh, my God, it's Doc!" 1409 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,720 And I just saw his face melt and he made, you know, 1410 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,480 literally a sprint for the car with us in tow. 1411 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,560 Threw us in and the car immediately became swarmed. 1412 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,840 There's a quote from you that said, 1413 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,520 "I had the theory that people go to the circus 1414 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,040 - to watch the trapeze artist die." - Yes. 1415 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,760 "They're really going for blood." 1416 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:55,880 - Yes. - Yeah. 1417 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,600 That's why you get standing ovations, 1418 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,440 because people are kind of recognising 1419 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:05,920 that you've been to the edge of, what I saw was, 1420 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,800 kind of, the dark potential in the song. 1421 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,480 # Obey the rules 1422 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,640 # Do as you are instructed 1423 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,360 # And don't ask questions 1424 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,960 # Psychopath, young man 1425 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,560 # Dedicated to efficiency 1426 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,240 # 17, 28, 59 1427 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,720 # Looks like it's comin' down on me 1428 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,360 # Down on me, down on me Down on me 1429 01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:03,840 # Looks like it's comin' down on me 1430 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,400 # Down on me, down on me Down on me 1431 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,360 # Never so many are watched by so few 1432 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,320 # F or so long, by so much 1433 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,800 # For big brother 1434 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,520 # For so long, by so much 1435 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:19,800 # For big brother 1436 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,320 # For so long, by so much 1437 01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,000 # For big brother 1438 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,560 # For so long, by so much 1439 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,080 # For big brother 1440 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,000 # For so long, by so much 1441 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000 # For big brother 1442 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:38,720 # Looks like it's comin' down on me 1443 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,520 # Down on me, down on me 1444 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,680 # Looks like it's comin' down on me 1445 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,760 # Looks like it's comin' down on me 1446 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,800 # Down on me, down on me Down on me 1447 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,160 # Down on me 1448 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:04,280 # Down, Down, Down, Down, Down 1449 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,760 # Down on me 1450 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,320 It was a starry night 1451 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,600 and I asked the fans to light their lighters. 1452 01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:50,080 From my perspective 1453 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,160 it looked like I was, sort of, watching 1454 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,800 or seeing in front of the stage right out to infinity. 1455 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,960 Narara was the first time Doc announced that he was leaving. 1456 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,160 I'd, sort of, felt that we'd reached our peak 1457 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,760 and this could be a great souvenir 1458 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,720 of that event and maybe 1459 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,000 mark the end of my career with The Angels. 1460 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,440 Doc, who said in the press 1461 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:47,560 that he'd never left The Angels, 1462 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,960 actually left six times. 1463 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,600 But we got him back every time. 1464 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,960 Bernard and I eventually separated 1465 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,600 when the boys were young, two and four years old. 1466 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,880 You know, people just grow apart 1467 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,800 when there's lots of separation. 1468 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,120 You miss, absolutely miss the family unit 1469 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,760 because that's what it was going to be 1470 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,680 forever and a day and... 1471 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:26,160 as hard as it was at the time, you get on with stuff. 1472 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,320 I mean, when you've got two children that age, 1473 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,040 you have to get on with stuff. 1474 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,760 I started to realise that we weren't making the records 1475 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,400 that we used to make. 1476 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,680 '83 we lost the deal with Epic, uh, worldwide. 1477 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000 Still, we were a very close unit, 1478 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,880 still ever hopeful that we would break 1479 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,600 around the world, um... 1480 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,280 John, how the hell are you? 1481 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,360 We were so excitedthat we finally got a new deal 1482 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,320 and we were going to recordsomewhere outside of Australia. 1483 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,680 We said to John Woodruff, 1484 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,520 "Look, we'll record anywhere except LA." 1485 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,840 We ended up recording in LA. 1486 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,160 An album we could have made for $60,000 Australian 1487 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,520 ended up costing us $450,000. 1488 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,880 And it started us on a path of massive debt. 1489 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,040 And the only way to work that debt off 1490 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,880 was to play every gig 1491 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,720 from here to Timbuktu in Australia. 1492 01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:42,680 So we toured and toured and toured. 1493 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,320 We're coming back to the, uh, 1494 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,720 Shellharbour RSL for a few drinks 1495 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,400 and a couple of, uh, rounds on the poker machines. 1496 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040 We should have stayed in the States. We should have stayed there, you know? 1497 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,560 "We're not going back to Australia. 1498 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,680 We're staying here. We're going to make this happen." 1499 01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,440 We let that opportunity go, I think. 1500 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,360 I was pretty keen on approaching Alberts again 1501 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,760 and going back to Harry Vanda and George Young, and... 1502 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,920 It's not to say that my ideas were right, by the way, 1503 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,200 but it was like no one wanted to listen. 1504 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,880 John's a self-confessed control freak 1505 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,200 which, you know, it's a good thing in some ways 1506 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,360 to have someone, you know, 1507 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,120 at the helm, so to speak. Uh... 1508 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,880 But... really annoying. 1509 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,880 Especially as a brother who's grown up with that. 1510 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,720 And it eventually affected everyone in the band. 1511 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,480 I think because Rick had started 1512 01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:03,000 a new relationship with quite a flamboyant girl, 1513 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,520 who was bringing a different side to Rick out, 1514 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,240 he wanted to break away from that control. 1515 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,920 I made a really stupid mistake 1516 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,720 in going to Rick's ex-wife. 1517 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,400 Um, and, she called me and I went round there. 1518 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,480 And I think I overstepped the mark 1519 01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:22,840 and said some things that I... 1520 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,480 That she then told Rick. 1521 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,240 And I think that was probably the final straw for Rick. 1522 01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,600 If John was honest with himself, 1523 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,160 he was probably trying to fold it up. 1524 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,000 I wouldn't turn up for sound checks 1525 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,880 and I'd go out on the golf course instead of doing 'em. 1526 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,400 I mean, they did a film clip 1527 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,600 and they had to put me in it from another film clip. 1528 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,720 John Brewster was a very needy man. 1529 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,880 He needed to know that you appreciated 1530 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,120 all the hard work that he had put into it, 1531 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,600 that he had co-written so many great songs and driven us... 1532 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,520 He drove the band from Adelaide to Sydney. 1533 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,840 He wanted you to appreciate that. 1534 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,480 And I'm sure we all did but there's a time where you go 1535 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,520 "Well, okay, we do, but now we're on to another thing here. 1536 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,320 We need to put a whole lot of energy into this." 1537 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,800 I think he misread it. Well, I don't know what it was. 1538 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,680 I feel there were other things in play in his life. 1539 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,480 I got accused by him of coming back to Australia, 1540 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:29,960 because I cared about my family more than I did about the... The band. 1541 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,320 Fuck, what? 1542 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,760 I cared about my family more than the band? Well, excuse me. 1543 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,400 Yeah, I did, but he reckoned that I pulled the band out of America 1544 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,760 so that I'd be there for the birth of my second son. 1545 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,560 - Was it true? - Fuck, no. 1546 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,760 No. 1547 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,400 No, it was because the band... We were going... 1548 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,240 We were going to have babies in houses we didn't own any more. 1549 01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,040 It was that bad. 1550 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,720 I just remember a time when we were on a plane 1551 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,240 and Rick was sitting beside meand I was talking to him about 1552 01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,560 what I thought we should do. 1553 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,680 And I realised that he was sitting there 1554 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,640 and I don't think he was evenregistering that I was talking. 1555 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,360 I realised that the connection was gone 1556 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,240 and when I think what we used to go through 1557 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,360 in our song writing and those wonderful times 1558 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,240 that we used to stay up all night in the studio, 1559 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,800 smoke a couple of joints, walk across the road, 1560 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,800 pick up finger buns, Kit Kats and milkshakes... 1561 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,560 When I realisedI was talking to a blank wall, 1562 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,400 I knew we were in big trouble. 1563 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,200 We all knew exactly why we were there, except John. 1564 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,880 Doc said he would do it. 1565 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,600 And he just started a long... 1566 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,280 talk about... 1567 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,080 what was going on in the band and, you know, nothing specific. 1568 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,760 Until eventually, I said, 1569 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,440 "For Christ's sake. We want you to leave the band." 1570 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,000 Just give me a minute. 1571 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:52,080 Because I could see, John was confused. 1572 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,520 He had no inkling. 1573 01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,680 And then it was like a rock. 1574 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,760 And he just got up and left. 1575 01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,680 Looks like it's really serious. 1576 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,520 Incredibly fucking serious. 1577 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,800 When John left the band, the feeling of relief was phenomenal. 1578 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,680 We were happy, we were having fun. 1579 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,440 We were doing things we didn't normally do and Bob Spencer came in. 1580 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:40,920 I leapt on the freedom of the band without John 1581 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,440 and working with someone new, writing songs with Bob Spencer. 1582 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:49,080 But there was always that nagging feeling that, you know, 1583 01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,720 we've lost that guy who would go and spend hours 1584 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,760 at the agency looking at the calendar and going, 1585 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,120 "We've got a hole here. Fill it." 1586 01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:05,760 You know, that leader side of John had gone. 1587 01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,160 It hurt. 1588 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,440 When I was in The Party Boys, we released a cover. 1589 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:35,680 It was John Kongos' song, n"He's Gonna Step On You Again" 1590 01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,920 and a moment of... ...sheer joy for me, it's a nasty joy, 1591 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,920 was that the Angels released a cover at the same time. 1592 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960 The Angels song rose to number four in the charts 1593 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,840 and we leaped over them to number one and I went, "Yes!" 1594 01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,200 I think our dad dying had some role in it too, somehow. 1595 01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,680 We wanted to win with the band to impress him 1596 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,560 and suddenly he wasn't there any more. 1597 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,440 I think maybe he was kind of a bit, 1598 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,720 in a funny way, the glue that kept us together. 1599 01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,920 And when he died, that glue kind of disappeared. 1600 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,000 When he eventually gave up drinking, 1601 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,200 he did change. 1602 01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,920 He was just a really friendly guy. 1603 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,960 Not long before he died, he called me and he said, 1604 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,640 "Son, I've been listening to your music," 1605 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:36,880 and I nearly fell over 1606 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,600 because I didn't think he would ever do that. 1607 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,320 And he said, "You know, it's very good." 1608 01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,440 That was a massive compliment from him. 1609 01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,080 That's John Brewster. 1610 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,600 Just arrived? Yeah. 1611 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,720 - Hello, John. - Frank. 1612 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,520 So you would say it has made a new man of you? 1613 01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,320 It was about five years in and I just woke up one day and I went, 1614 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,040 "This is wrong, this is wrong. He's my brother." 1615 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,840 So I called him. 1616 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,080 And uh... 1617 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,720 And... 1618 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,480 I think my words were pretty much exactly like this, I said, 1619 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:32,320 "Rick, you know, when we see each other," I said, 1620 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,160 "We're friendly." I said, "But there's a wall between us 1621 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,760 and I want to kick that wall down." 1622 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,560 We didn't talk about working together again. 1623 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,480 We just talked about being friends. 1624 01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:50,040 And I realised how many things had gone back to childhood for him. 1625 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,440 And I think a lot of the problems that we... that ended up... 1626 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:06,800 being a big problem was that I was his big brother. 1627 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,360 And I don't think he wanted a big brother at that time in his life. 1628 01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,840 After years and years of travel, we've got our bags down 1629 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,000 to about three or four each. 1630 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,880 Throughout my whole time playing in the Angels, 1631 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,920 I was always wanting to meet people in the business. 1632 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,720 And the fact that I wasin the band meant that I could. 1633 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,640 I think what happened with the Angels and John Woodruff was 1634 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,320 the band wore him down. 1635 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,680 There aren't many managers who've signed a band 1636 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,800 to three major international record companies. 1637 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,760 At some point, you've got to go, 1638 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,960 "Well, the managerwas pretty good. Maybe the band didn't bac him up." 1639 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,400 He bailed out. 1640 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,800 Rick and Doc said to me, "Brent, do you want to do it?" 1641 01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:59,920 I said, "Yes, I'll do it." 1642 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:10,000 I think the biggest change in the music was it got faster. 1643 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,360 And there were times when I felt, 1644 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,720 "Shit, I wish John was here." 1645 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:21,760 Between the two of us, we would've put a stop to that but, um, 1646 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,640 me on my own, no. 1647 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,080 Bob Spencer was someone else who really always wanted to have 1648 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,360 his own thing going and he sat me and Rick down one day at my house 1649 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,680 and said, "I'm gonna leave and start my own band." 1650 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,360 Rick said, "I think we should get John back." 1651 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,200 John always felt, you know, 1652 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:49,200 I don't think he particularly liked that I was managing it. 1653 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,000 Actually Brent wasnpretty damn good at it but, uh, 1654 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800 in terms of how the business structure happened, 1655 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,520 I was never let back in. 1656 01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,440 And that was, I think, pretty shameful, really. 1657 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,520 But we all have our opinions, you know. 1658 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,880 The band got back that thing it had when 1659 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,800 the two Brewsters played together. We got that back. 1660 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,320 They played at a place in Adelaide called The Bridgeway 1661 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,480 and it was packed and the lights were sort of red and the smoke 1662 01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:21,120 and there was, like, sweat dripping from the roof. 1663 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,240 There was this element of fear, 1664 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,560 like with the Brewster brothers just holding... 1665 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,720 Just holding the poses. 1666 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,640 And then with Doc at the front being this huge, intimidating... 1667 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,240 It's like I'd walked into some weird cult. 1668 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,280 If our lives depended on it, watch out. 1669 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,600 We would just wipe the floor. But... 1670 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,040 ...there were issues. 1671 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,840 The one person that got fucked up with drugs, 1672 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,720 they were legal and they were prescribed 1673 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,000 by psychologists to Doc Neeson. 1674 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,440 And we'd have Doc World, which was a tent on stage 1675 01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:13,600 and it was an array of tablets and mouthwash and alcohol in there. 1676 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,960 He'd arrive at the show, go straight to the tent. 1677 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,240 He wouldn't talk to us. He'd just appear and come on for the first song. 1678 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,320 We once went to an Al-Anon meeting. 1679 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,040 You know, we thought we were going to find some magic solution, 1680 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,920 you know, for Doc because we cared about him, you know. 1681 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,920 He was driving us mad, but we cared about him. 1682 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,880 We all have to deal with a lot of darkness. 1683 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,760 And I guess I was trying to express that emotion. 1684 01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,640 I did come to a point where I thought, 1685 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,720 "This is taking me over." 1686 01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,640 # Hurry, Alexander 1687 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,480 # They're waiting for you 1688 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,440 # Alexander, just look at yourself 1689 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,760 # How many times have I spoken to you? 1690 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:24,680 # Every time is the same, Alex 1691 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,400 # That you don't have enough time and you hurry 1692 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,680 # You hurry to get up You hurry to get to work 1693 01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,320 # Do your job properly so you can earn some money 1694 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,000 # Alexander, you give everything away 1695 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,880 # What have you got they're gonna ask you one day for? 1696 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,720 # PIN numbers 1697 01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:40,760 # They want your 1698 01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,080 # I guess they want your weight 1699 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,720 # They want your registration number 1700 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,440 # Alexander, when they ask you you're gonna have nothing 1701 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,160 The depression, that was... 1702 01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,320 It was him with his demons. 1703 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,240 I've read a few of his diaries from when he was younger 1704 01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,400 and he was incredibly self-loathing. 1705 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,320 When people have imposter syndrome, 1706 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,640 they have characters that they draw on 1707 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,120 because dealing with themselves is the worst feeling ever. 1708 01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:42,840 When he had his accident, 1709 01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,560 his doctor told him that if he went on stage, 1710 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,560 his spine could snap 1711 01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,200 and he could be a paraplegic, you know. 1712 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,320 Whether he used that as an excuse 1713 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,320 to not play with the band, it might have been. 1714 01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:58,360 Don't know. 1715 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,920 He rang me up and he said to me, 1716 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,880 "Bob, you'd better get your suit pressed." 1717 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,840 And I said, "What?" 1718 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,680 He said, "Yes, you're going to a funeral. I'm going to die." 1719 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,840 Well, I was a bit floored by that, 1720 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,400 and he told me about this terrible brain cancer that he had. 1721 01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:59,840 The last time I ever saw him, I walked out of the... 1722 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:05,160 We spent many hours, a group of us, in his room. 1723 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,800 And I walked away and Dzintra had arrived. 1724 01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,960 And as I walked away, I turned back and looked through the door. 1725 01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,560 And they were framed. 1726 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,720 Him sitting up in bed, her talking to him. 1727 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,200 That was my last image. 1728 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,920 After he'd passed away, 1729 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,760 I found a letter that he'd written. 1730 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,920 It was a letter to himself 1731 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,720 and I think it was either 1732 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,160 when myself or my brother was born. 1733 01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,400 And it said something along the lines of, you know, 1734 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,360 "I've got this beautiful boy with his blue eyes 1735 01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,840 and all I want to do is be at home with him." 1736 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,400 And, you know, he really wanted to, 1737 01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,080 but obviously, the job, the fame, the band, 1738 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,200 um, it was really, really difficult to do. 1739 01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:24,320 I rang him when he was in hospital close to the end. 1740 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:30,600 And I just rang him because I wanted to spend five minutes reminiscing. 1741 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,280 And he said, "No, I've got to go." 1742 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,720 And I tried to call back, but never got through. 1743 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,160 Five take one. And mark. 1744 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,080 Thank you. 1745 01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:54,880 Once he'd said he wanted to leave, that kind of stuck, that feeling. 1746 01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,920 - The last time? - No. 1747 01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,040 - From the beginning. From Narara. - Oh, any times? Yeah. Yeah. 1748 01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:04,480 Uh, and I think it wasn't too long after that 1749 01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:07,960 before he felt that he wanted to leave again. 1750 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:13,040 I don't think he was happy in the band from before Narara. 1751 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,000 - Yeah, maybe. 1752 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:22,120 And I think that's sad that he never was able to really see himself, 1753 01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,960 - the strengths that he had. - Hm. 1754 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,920 Because he might have just continued 1755 01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,240 - to wear the whitest outfit and... 1756 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,400 ...stand at the mic and do the great things that he did. 1757 01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:34,640 Yeah, well, I mean, 1758 01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,560 - lots of things contribute to... 1759 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,360 ...the band not realising what we could've realised overseas but, um... 1760 01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,960 But at the end of the day, 1761 01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,560 I'm speaking for myself and, you know, I love Doc. 1762 01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,960 I love the memory of Doc. 1763 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,200 But, fuck, he was difficult. 1764 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,400 We've had marriages break down 1765 01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,480 and then relationships within the band break down, 1766 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:03,080 - including our own relationship... - Really? 1767 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,640 ...that broke down. But you know what? Doc actually said it in an interview, 1768 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,000 you know, there's a really good, good comment he made 1769 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,720 talking about the band, he said, 1770 01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,720 "It's not easy being in a rock and roll band." 1771 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,000 I'd talk about 1772 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,600 how the planets were aligning for a moment 1773 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,040 to successfully get up to the top of Mount Everest. 1774 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,600 Base camp was breaking in Australia the way that they did. 1775 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,640 The second part was signing to CBS and touring America and Europe. 1776 01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,040 That was their window. 1777 01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,080 They almost got to the top, but didn't quite reach the summit. 1778 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,960 That's the cruel thing about our industry 1779 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,240 because rarely do you get a second chance. 1780 01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,040 So they mightn't have helped themselves 1781 01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,840 but they certainly broke down the doors 1782 01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,800 for artists like INXS and Men At Work and bands like that 1783 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,640 that came after them and learned from the experiences they had 1784 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,920 and had more knowledge than we had, 1785 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,840 because we were too busy just kicking the fucking door down. 1786 01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:30,280 # Deal me the card that takes my blues away 1787 01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,120 # Take me away to Marseilles 1788 01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,680 # Take me 1789 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,400 # Take me away to Marseilles 1790 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,320 # Take me 1791 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,400 # Take me away to Marseilles 1792 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:40,960 # Take me 1793 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,400 # I want to go to Marseilles 1794 01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,800 # Take my blues away 1795 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,040 # Yeah, take me away to Marseilles 1796 01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,200 All right! 1797 01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:52,280 Angels! Angels! Angels! Angels! 1798 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,920 It's an interesting thing in your life 1799 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,960 to be a part of something which is so incandescent. 1800 01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,720 You know, life is so... it can be so bland. 1801 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:41,160 And then you've got this moment of pure incandescence 1802 01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,840 and it permeated every aspect of our lives and it was just wonderful. 1803 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,520 This is it, folks. Over the top. 1804 01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,720 # He was selling postcards from a paper stand 1805 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,240 # The whiskey bottle in his withered hand 1806 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,040 # Put his finger on a photo from an old magazine 1807 01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,880 # Saw himself in the shadow of his dream 1808 01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,280 # They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown 1809 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,080 # Told him his feet stank and took him downtown 1810 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,520 # Called him agitator, spy and thief 1811 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,840 # Shut him up in solitary third degree 1812 01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:44,640 # Take a long line 1813 01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:45,920 # Reel him in 1814 01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:53,040 # He tried to appeal to the king of might 1815 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,800 # Said "I'm just exercising my sacred right" 1816 01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,160 # The king, he said "You ain't got no rights 1817 01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,840 # You're a madman, a traitor Get outta my sight" 1818 01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:08,440 # Take a long line 1819 01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:09,800 # Reel him in 1820 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,160 # They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown 1821 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,960 # Told him his feet stank and took him downtown 1822 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,360 # Called him agitator, spy and thief 1823 01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,800 # Shut him up in solitary third degree 1824 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,800 # Then they put him aboard a well-wound whirlwind 1825 01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,200 # Pulled out his teeth and they told him to grin 1826 01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:05,000 # He gave them a smile Pulled out a bottle of wine 1827 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,440 # And said, "I never existedYou've been wasting your time" 1828 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:14,920 # Take a long line 1829 01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,240 # Reel him in 1830 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:25,560 # Take a long line 1831 01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,400 # Reel him in 1832 01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:36,240 # Take a long line 1833 01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:37,720 # Reel him in 1834 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,040 Everybody that has ever been in The Angels has been fired. 1835 01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,760 At some stage or another, every single person, except one. 1836 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:50,600 Rick. 1837 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,600 Rick Brewster-Jones. 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