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Welcome to Theranos.

Here. Put it on the camera
on your computer.

Why?

So they can't watch you.

If Ian had testified,
it would have invalidated

Theranos's patents.

For a story like this,
I really need someone

with first-hand knowledge.

ERIKA: They must be running everything
on the Siemens machines

to get around the regulators.

Do you really think she'd let that happen?

Dude, she is the CEO.
She knows what's going on.

Are you running
the Edison proficiency test

on Siemens machines?

You have no idea
what you're talking about.

You believe Theranos is lying
to regulators.

Yeah, that's why we need you
to start asking questions.

No, I won't.

Ready for your questions now.

How is Theranos defrauding Walgreens?

Yeah, hello.

John Carreyrou?
This is Tyler Shultz.

You founded this company
12 years ago, right?

Tell 'em how old you were.

I was 19.

So...

Don't worry about the future,
we're in good hands.

Ms. Holmes!

I look back
on this brilliant young woman's vision.

And I think to myself,
how in God's name at 19,

was she able to convince some
of the leading professors in America...

uh, let alone her parents,
to give her all her tuition money

to go and say, "I got an idea.
I'm gonna start a company."

So, the Theranos report
for the patient came back

showing an abnormally high TSH value.

But the patient was already taking
thyroid medication to lower that value?

Precisely.
And the Theranos results

indicated the medication wasn't working.

And was Theranos correct?

This patient was pregnant, okay.
Increasing her dosage

would have made
her thyroid hormone level so high,

it would have put her pregnancy at risk.

Would you go on the record with this?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I tracked down a patient
who spent Thanksgiving in the ER,

because a Theranos test
told her incorrectly,

- she was having a stroke.
- Mm!

Thousands of dollars in medical bills.
I spoke with a cancer survivor.

Took a Theranos test,
thought her cancer had come back.

Jesus!

I have three doctors on the record.
I have the Mark Roessler emails.

He sent you those?

No, not yet. But he should shortly.
From what he describes,

they're pretty damning.
I've got Gardner

and Gibbons on the record,
and Tyler Shultz on background.

Wait, wait, back up. Tyler, who?

This kid worked in the labs
with Erika Cheung.

He's George Shultz's grandson.

Does Shultz know his grandson
is talking to us?

Oh, no.
And I have to make sure he doesn't.

Yeah, no shit.

- It smells really good.
- Uh-huh.

- Can I have the crackers?
- Nope.

So we ought to be thankful
that Elizabeth Holmes

- wasn't running the USSR in the '80s.
- Yeah.

Okay, so you do know
what I'm gonna ask you next?

She's not gonna talk to me, Judith.

I'm the only reporter in America
she will not give an interview to.

Doesn't matter.
We have to be able

to say we made every effort
to allow Theranos to respond.

- I sent them a list of questions. I...
- Okay.

I am a little bit worried,
they're gonna come after my sources.

They got David Boies representing them.

Yeah, fuck that.
Whatever they throw at us,

we can handle it.

But maybe also call Mark Roessler
and have him hurry up with those emails.

The Wall Street Journal
is doing an article about Theranos

and it is, um...

I don't think
it's going to be positive.

Here are some questions
they sent over

that they would like you to, uh...
to an... to answer

as soon as you possibly can...

Yo. I've been trying
to get a hold of you.

Mark just downloaded
like hundreds of work emails

to his personal drive,
and now he's headed out of the building.

- Mark?
- Yeah.

Where's Mark?

Mark!

What's he gonna do to him? Sunny!

Mark!

Mark! I will sue your ass!
Delete those emails!

We have an NDA, Mark!

- These questions are ridiculous.
- And sloppy.

Yeah, he's not a good writer.
I... I tried reading his Medicare thing

the other night, it like sucked. Like...

No, I mean, I mean,
he should be more careful.

These questions make it obvious
who his sources are.

You know who his sources are?

- Yes, of course, we do.
- We believe we do.

We've narrowed it down. Thank you, Peter.

He spoke to Rochelle Gibbons.

Who we should sue for defamation.

And some doctors
and patients in Arizona,

which violates
doctor-patient confidentiality.

And those questions regarding
the particulars of the Normandy lab,

those are... That's coming from Erika.

Yeah, Erika Cheung, Tyler Shultz,
Mark Roessler.

Who've all signed NDAs.

That's right.
And who are young and disgruntled.

- Very fucking disgruntled.
- All three left after disagreements.

But they expect us
to answer these questions.

Like, I... I... I...
This... this whole thing

that we have to respond to liars?
That's ridiculous.

And all of these legal elements
we have to get...

we have to get ahead of all of them now.

Extremely serious
legal implications.

Tyler basically violated
and shared our trade secrets.

- Literally.
-Violating trade secrets

is not okay.

We wanna sue everyone.

Everyone?

- We want to nail this motherfucker.
- Yeah.

Well...

I respect the integrity
of journalism.

I represent the New York Times.

But there are tools and tactics available
that we can use to try

and suppress negative stories.

We can remind them

of the consequences
of breaking their NDAs,

Linda will help me with that.

And then, of course,
we can question their credibility.

"If these are the kind of people
that break their NDAs,

how can we trust anything they say?"

Good. Yeah. Good.

Hey, Tiger...

Are you home?

I'm back.

I gotta tell you something.

Come find me.

This house is too big. I can't.

Here.

I met Rupert Murdoch tonight.
At the thing.

Ow!

Sorry.

You started it...

Rupert Murdoch invited me
to his ranch tonight.

God, I am so happy.

I'm going to Arizona tomorrow
to talk to the doctors.

I don't care...

that Boies has a strategy.

I want to talk to them face to face.

End this smear campaign,
take out resources,

cut this off at the legs one by one.

We can turn this around.

I'm not here to scare you.

I'm simply asking you...

does your practice rely
on online reviews?

It would hurt your practice
if your patients knew

you shared that confidential
health information

with a reporter.

Right?

But if you sign that document...

all this goes away.

I've always believed that we are here
on this Earth

to make a difference in the world.

So when I found
what I felt like I was born to do...

which is help and try to contribute to...

to solving a problem?

Hello.

I'm being followed, John.

Like everywhere I go,
there is someone watching me.

Who's watching you?

I... I don't know.
But I'm not making it up.

It's not safe in my house.
I'm... I'm in the car,

I'm using the Wi-Fi in my car.

I believe that, on a human level,
there's not much else that matters.

CHARLIE ROSE:
Access more data will save more lives?

ELIZABETH: Yeah. When...

You know, in saving lives...

When you're talking about someone
you love, you'd do anything, right?

- MARK: I get these phone calls from...
- Mark. Mark.

from Sunny and their goddamn lawyers,

- they're threatening me...
- I told you

- they were gonna come after you.
- ...they're threatening me with...

like these massive lawsuits.

Has anybody challenged the science
of what you do?

I hired a lawyer. A very good lawyer.

But he found out they had David Boies

on... on their side,
and he told me

to delete the emails immediately.

Don't delete the emails, Mark.
What you're doing is too important.

I don't know.
I... I don't know if I can do this.

Are there people
who raise questions and say, you know,

why doesn't she show us all this,
because we'd feel more comfortable

with the results.

- The major lab companies, yeah...
- Help me understand

what it is they're asking
and what your answer is to them?

- I know it's scary right now, Mark.
- They could bankrupt me.

But they wouldn't make it scary
if they weren't scared.

And they're scared because they know
that they're wrong and you're right.

- What you're doing is gonna save lives.
- Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Mark, you did this because
you're gonna save people.

Uh-huh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right.

So you'll send me those emails?

Yeah, yeah.

Mark...

Mark?

Mark?

Sorry, John, I'm sorry.

The Roessler emails are gone.
Most of the Arizona doctors are gone.

If they manage to sway Tyler,
I... I do not have a story.

Well, then...

get Tyler on the phone.

I've tried to get Tyler on the phone,
he doesn't pick up.

Well, try again.

I have tried trying again.

Well, have you tried texting,
emailing, sending him flowers?

I've tried everything.

Well, then you just gonna have to wait.

Wait?

Great. I will just wait.
That is really helpful, Judith. Thank you.

I'm sorry.

- It's okay.
- I'm sorry.

This is really taking a toll on me.

I can see that...

You just can't lose Tyler.

Grandpa, what's up?

I'm not sure why Elizabeth thinks that...

I was the one
who spoke to some...

- some reporter.
- Did you?

Tyler?

Because if you did,
you're in danger of being sued.

Just tell me.

We're family.

Did you speak to the reporter?

No.

- No.
- That's good.

So then...

all you have to do

is sign a new non-disclosure agreement.

What?

Linda?

Is someone here?

George, is there someone upstairs?

A lawyer from Theranos
brought the document for you to sign.

But you told me to come over and talk.
You didn't tell me

- I have to sign anything.
- Linda...

Linda?

Okay.

Oh, okay.

This matter is more urgent
than you realize.

Hi.

Hi, Tyler. I have some documents
you're gonna need to sign.

Okay, here's the restraining order.

A restraining order?

A restraining order?
Are you fucking serious?

No, that's wrong.
Elizabeth said he was going

- to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
- This is a letter from Theranos

stating that they believe
that you have violated

- your confidentiality obligations.
- This is not what Elizabeth said

- was going to happen.
- That they're preparing to file

- a lawsuit against you.
- Is this coming from Sunny?

- I didn't speak to the reporter.
- Would you be willing to sign

an affidavit to that effect?
Would you be willing to name

the people who did, in fact,
speak to The Wall Street Journal?

My grandson is not a rat.

George, why don't you let me
take it from here.

Like hell, I will.
You, into the study, now.

Tyler, you stay here.
We're going to settle this with decorum.

Sit down.

You won't be talking
to Tyler directly.

You'll be using me as an intermediary.

Is this really necessary?

It was good enough for Gorbachev.
And it'll be good enough for you.

How're you doing? Are you hungry?

Charlotte,
can we have some crackers in here?

Can you just tell her not to sue me?

- We're taking the lawsuit off the table.
- We can't do that.

Then he won't be signing.

That's a red line?

Good news.

They're agreeing not to sue you
for two years.

So they're going to sue me in two years?

Jesus Christ, George.
This is your grandson.

Fine. We will agree not to sue.

And you'll put that in writing.

Yes, we'll draft it up right now.
But if we do, he'll sign?

No. I... I won't sign it.

- Those were your terms.
- Well, my terms have changed.

What?

Because you did speak to a reporter?

Because if you did,
and you sign these documents,

- you'll be perjuring yourself.
-Okay.

What are you doing here?

Tyler, I've modified the documents
to meet your demands.

Now sign.

George, why don't you fax
the documents to your lawyer

and see what he thinks Tyler should do.

Tyler, your mom's on the phone...

If you like, you can take it upstairs.

Hey, why did my mom call here?
Is everything okay?

Tyler, I know you spoke
with the reporter.

No, I...

I didn't.

- I didn't. I...
- This is our attorney on the phone...

Tell him your situation. He can help you.

I'm...

My lawyer says he shouldn't sign.

Why?

I mean, if...
if he's telling the truth,

- then he has no reason to...
- That was his recommendation...

I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

Tyler...

you're about to be buried
in legal fees.

Your parents...

are about
to be buried in legal fees.

That's my son you're talking about.

You cannot afford
what is about to come at you.

- Is it worth it?
- Get out!

You'll be hearing from me.

Do you...

Do you wish Elizabeth
was related to you,

instead of me?

Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

She lied to you about the documents
she wanted me to sign.

She lies.

That's who she is.
Why can't you just admit

that you were wrong about her?

Because you're this great man
and you never make mistakes,

you're never wrong?

Did you speak to the reporter?

No.

Then I'm choosing to believe you.

We have a very big announcement
to tell you all.

- You excited? 'Cause I'm excited.
- Walgreens isn't happy.

Normandy is a disaster zone.
We need new lab directors,

lab managers...

Because you replaced Mark
with a dermatologist.

Because I don't want someone
who's going to create problems.

But we can't keep fighting fires
by creating fires.

We have to focus on the root cause
of the problem.

What is the root cause?

And I think she deserves
to tell you this legendary news

- with you herself.
- What is the root cause?

So, without further ado,
I present to you

our fearless leader, Elizabeth Holmes.

We've got herpes!

Theranos! Theranos! Theranos! Theranos!
Theranos! Theranos! Theranos! Theranos!

Congratulations on the FDA approval.

ELIZABETH:
We're moving in the right direction.

Where are we with the article?

Tyler didn't sign.

It doesn't matter, 'cause he's a kid.

And they've lost more than half
of their sources.

Right.

But we need answers
to those questions

that the Journal sent.

We need to categorically
deny the allegations.

I won!

Oh, I had an idea last night.

What the fuck!

Yeah, I know Richard. I'm looking at it.

In your own paper?

She... she wrote and published

a brag about herpes,
in your own paper?

She's spitting in your face!
How could this happen?

Well, it's an op-ed, Richard.
Opinion and news are totally separate.

- They don't know what we're working on.
- I'll tell you how it happened.

Guess who's the new investor
in Theranos? Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert fucking Murdoch.
The man who owns your paper.

I just found out this morning.

Um...

I'm so... Where... Where did...
Where is this information coming from?

It's coming from "you figure it out."
That's where it's coming from.

A hundred and twenty-five million dollars,

the most he's ever invested
in a tech company.

Are you sure about this?

Your story is dead.
He's gonna bury it.

He's gonna bury it
to protect his investment.

That's not n... necessarily true.
There's...

The op-ed!

The op-ed!

The opinion page has nothing to do with...

Murdoch just invested 125 million dollars.

In Theranos?

No, in railroads.

Wow.

Guess he should have called you first,
huh?

Yeah, uh... We gotta run the story now.

- We can't run it now.
- Why not?

Because it's not ready.
You've lost half your sources,

so we need more proof.
We have to wait.

Judith, come...

Come on.

Obama just named her

global ambassador of something.
The woman is worth

four and a half billion dollars.
They are fucking winning here.

- John. In Sicily every year...
- Why are we talking about Italy?

No, no. We're talking about Sicily.
There's a practice called La Mattanza.

Okay.

Okay, so, the fishermen.

They wade into the Mediterranean Sea,

till the water's up to their waist.
They got their clubs and spears in hand

and they stand there,

very still,

for hours...

till the fish start to gather around them.

Because the men are so still

and they've waited so long,
the fish don't even realize they're there.

They... they... they think they're part
of the scenery.

But then...

once there are enough
fish gathered,

someone gives the signal
and then...

Bam!

Bam, bam, bam!

Bam! Bam!

So, you see.

Very vivid imagery.

We wait.

Until Boies responds to my questions?

Until we know we've got them.

- Yeah.
- Go on.

- Oh, my God.

I...

I'm sorry. Your roommate,
she just let me in downstairs and I...

What are you...
what are you doing here?

I, uh, brought a lamp.

Yeah... you just...

you weren't answering my calls,
so I thought I would stop by

and say hi and bring a lamp.

Remember, you told me
you didn't have one for your room.

How long have you had that knife?

I... I don't know, it helps the...

This helps me sleep.

When you were in Theranos,
did you ever hear of Ian Gibbons?

Maybe.

Carreyrou told me
that he was a chemist there.

They were pressuring him
so much that, um...

that he killed himself....

I keep thinking about him.

Yeah, it's, uh...

It's bad right now.

They're suing me.

My grandfather's stopped talking to me.

They're tracking... everything I do...

At least now you have an ugly lamp.

David. H... What are you doing here?

I wanna talk.

Were you in the neighborhood?

- Or...
- No.

The article is not going away.

It's not moving forward,

but it's not going away

and I can't make it go away

until I know what they have.

This is the moment

where you tell me everything
that you've been hiding from me.

Oh, you need to be prepared.

I'm prepared.

F... for what?

For Boies killing your story.

- No.
- He's the one that called the meeting.

I'm sure he has evidence that refutes it.

Judith, the story is good.
I still have Doctor Betz in Arizona,

I've got the nurse Carmen Washington,
I have that patient, I have Erika Cheung,

Mark Roessler, Richard Fuisz,
Rochelle Gibbons, Phyllis Gardner.

-On background.
- And Tyler.

You haven't heard from Tyler.

No. But that also means
I haven't heard that he's recanted.

Come on.
Whatever happened to "stab the fish."

Sometimes the fish can take you to court,

and then you have to let them go.

So say it back to me,
"You have to let the fish go."

Sometimes you have to let the fish go.

Exactly.

So, thank you for coming by.

This is John Carreyrou and Jay Conti,

the deputy general counsel
of our parent company.

Hold on.

Oh, are we recording?
Is this a deposition?

Nope, just want a record.

Well, hold on.
Maybe we want a record.

- What do you... what do you think?
- Yeah, why not? Sure.

Okay. So...

- where is the app?
- Uh, you gotta... Reporter Plus...

-Uh-huh. And do I download it?
-Yeah, go to the App Store.

Mm-hmm.

- And how much is it?
- No, it's free.

Oh, okay. Free.

Ah!

There it is.
Okay, got it. You got it?

Got it?

- Got it. Got it.
- Can we keep moving forward, please.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of course, of course.

Okay, so you sent us 80 questions
for review and we are here

to rebut the false premise
embedded in those questions.

Now, it's apparent to us
that one of your key sources

is a young man named Tyler Shultz.

We aren't disclosing
our confidential sources,

nor should you presume
to know who they are. Can we move on?

You're absolutely right, Judith.

I'm not asking you
to disclose your sources.

I respect journalists
and I am trying to protect you,

there just... isn't a story here.

Then answer my questions.

John. It's John, right?

It is, David.

You will make a fool of yourself
by printing this.

Mm! So you're the good cop, David.

No.

I'm just trying to figure out
how we could have arrived at a place

where The Journal is considering
publication of an article

I know to be false,

misleading and unfair.

And threatens to disclose information

that Theranos rigorously protects
as trade secrets.

Do you really believe that all
the recognition

by the academic, scientific
and healthcare communities

of Theranos achievements
is wrong?

That every previous published report
about Theranos,

including in The Journal itself,

has been the result of misleading,

manipulation by the company?

Wow.

If it were true,
that's a powerful story.

Why would you let a story like that go?
Why would you check it thoroughly?

That would be a career-defining story.

The only problem is...

none of it is true.

Then why don't you answer my questions.

I just wanna know
if Theranos has new technology...

Here's what I want to know, John.
What about your conduct in Arizona?

What you were doing down there
with those doctors,

was nothing short of yellow journalism.

- Oh, David, where did the good cop go?
- Yellow journalism?

You were asking those doctors
loaded questions.

Okay, here's a loaded question.

If Theranos has new technology,
what is it?

Okay, so you want us
to give you the formula for Coke...

- Nobody's asking for the formula for coke.
- ...so that we can convince you

- that it doesn't have arsenic in it?
- That is absurd. By the way, I like Pepsi.

Okay, just answer.

Does Theranos use finger stick samples
in their technology or not?

- That's a trade secret.
-Yes or no? Okay.

That is a trade secret.

How about this?
This is another easy one.

Are you using Siemens machines
in your labs?

- Yes, but for comparison purposes only.
- So, you acknowledge you have them?

- For comparison purposes.
- You're grasping at straws here.

She said for comparison purposes, move on.

Just walk me through some of the language
that's been changed recently

- on the website.
- Oh, language on the website.

The phrase,

"Many of our tests only require
a few drops of blood."

That phrase was recently deleted.

Yes, for marketing accuracy.

Accuracy?

So you'd characterize
the language before as inaccurate?

All right.

We will acknowledge
that not every blood test

is run on proprietary technology,
but they're... transitioning.

It's a transitional process, a... journey.

A journey?

A journey.

All right. This meeting's over.

Well... well, it’s only been four hours.
I mean...

Oh, my God. Holy shit.

They admitted to using
third party analyzers.

- They sure did.
- Yeah, after months of saying

- they don't use third party analyzers.
- They sure did.

Okay, so, Judith...

- is this...?
- Bam!

Elizabeth, they're running it.

So, when will it come out?

Uh, I don't know. Soon.

I spoke to Rupert

and asked him to kill the story.
But, uh...

You asked Rupert Murdoch

to kill the story
in The Wall Street Journal for you?

Of course.

He told me that his hands are tied.

I don't understand
why he can't just make a phone call.

How bad will it be?

Nothing we can't handle.

George,

I want to know
that I have your support.

I hear...

you're joining

the Harvard Medical School
Board of Fellows.

Congratulations.
You must be riding high.

I know, a college dropout
joining the board

of Harvard Medical School.

Obviously, Harvard's support
of our company

means more to me
than a reporter who doesn't understand.

Elizabeth.

I've worked for two
presidents...

Nixon and Reagan...

who made bad decisions.

Nixon more so.

But Reagan...

got mixed up in the Iran-Contra Affair

and it hurt his legacy.

He was a great man.

But he started listening
to the wrong people.

It's easy to make the mistake
of listening to the wrong people.

If mistakes were made,

I think it might be time to consider

whether you have the right people
around you.

If Sunny is the right person.

Baby,

how did it go with George?

I said, "How did it go with George?"

I have to pack
for my Harvard board dinner tonight

- and I don't...
-I laid out your clothes.

Yeah, I don't want to wear
what you picked out.

Just wear it, why don't you.

I don't know
what I'm supposed to fucking do.

I don't even know
when it's going to come out.

I don't know what it's going to say.

You should have protected me.

Okay,

I see.

George told you to blame me.

That's what you're going to do,
you're going to blame me?

No,

of course not.

I have to meet the jet.

Because I know everything that you know.

What?

You were on all of those emails.

Well, I'm the CEO...

and I don't always read all of my emails.

I love you, tiger.

I miss you already.

Miss you too.

Richard.

They killed it. It's dead.

You fucked it up.

I knew it.

You got cocky and you fucked it up.

I'm taking it somewhere else.

It's too late for that.

Oh, is that right?
Is that what you think?

Ha! No way, buddy. No way.

It's running tonight, buddy.

- Tonight? What? Di...
- Mm-hmm.

Really?

Yes!

That's... uh, good.

That's good. Y... Y... You got it done.

- Yeah. Well, you're welcome.
- Oh.

What, am I supposed to thank you?
I gave it to you on a plate.

I hope you can go out tonight.
Have a drink, celebrate with your family.

With my family. Uh, good.

Uh. Well, um... Goodbye.

If... if you get anything wrong,
I'll call you.

I'm expecting you to. Goodnight.

Oh!

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

Good! Yes!

Oh, good.

That's done.

Hi. Could I have a glass of water, please?

A whiskey with ice.

Phyllis, I saw you were
on the board as well.

I am, yes, and now you are too.

Yes, I'm... I'm so honored
to be asked to advise

the dean of the Medical School
on strategies.

It is an honor.

Yeah. It... is good to see you.

I'm looking forward
to reading the article in The Journal.

Yes, I know about it.

I think a lot of people
will be interested in it.

And when this becomes a scandal,

because it will become a scandal,
what do you think happens

to all of the other women
who want to start companies?

Who do they go to?

Who's gonna trust them?

'Cause it's not just you.

It's never just you.

- It... It was good to see you, Phyllis.
- Don't call me Phyllis.

I'm not Phyllis to you.
I'm Doctor Gardner.

ELIZABETH:
You know, I realized something last night.

This is what happens.

This is what happens when you work
to change things.

First, they think you're crazy

and then they fight you

and then all of a sudden
you change the world.

By now you've probably seen the article
published about our company

in The Wall Street Journal.

The man who wrote it,
John Carreyrou, is a spiteful man.

He is a sad man.

But we are a team

and we will be fighting

every single tiny detail.

Fuck you, Carreyrou! Fuck you, Carreyrou!
Fuck you, Carreyrou! Fuck you, Carreyrou!

Fuck you, Carreyrou! Fuck you, Carreyrou!

Fuck you, Carreyrou! Fuck you, Carreyrou!

Fuck you, Carreyrou! Fuck you, Carreyrou!