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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:13,013 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,114 --> 00:00:14,982 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,354 --> 00:00:22,456 Tonight, on the season premiere 7 00:00:22,556 --> 00:00:25,859 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 8 00:00:25,959 --> 00:00:27,695 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Under hypnosis, Bruce Kelly 9 00:00:27,795 --> 00:00:31,232 was overwhelmed by vivid images of American sailor's death 10 00:00:31,332 --> 00:00:33,301 during World War II. 11 00:00:33,401 --> 00:00:35,469 Later, he was amazed to learn that his vision 12 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:37,271 of a sinking of a submarine actually 13 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:39,807 took place 50 years earlier. 14 00:00:39,907 --> 00:00:42,710 How could Bruce Kelly relive inaccurate detail 15 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:46,914 events that took place before he was even born? 16 00:00:47,014 --> 00:00:49,950 After a killer tornado rips through Woodward, Oklahoma, 17 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:52,920 the town's residents flee to a local hospital. 18 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:55,356 The scene is chaos and one of the survivors, 19 00:00:55,456 --> 00:00:57,658 a young girl named Joan Gay Croft, 20 00:00:57,758 --> 00:01:00,060 is carried off by two strangers. 21 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:04,132 More than 40 years later, she is still missing. 22 00:01:04,232 --> 00:01:07,801 Pedro Santiago, Jr. was his family's pride and joy-- 23 00:01:07,901 --> 00:01:10,804 popular, athletic, a good student. 24 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:14,208 Then on December 12, 1990, Pedro was struck 25 00:01:14,308 --> 00:01:16,477 by a car in front of his house. 26 00:01:16,577 --> 00:01:21,449 The driver callously fled the scene, leaving Pedro to die. 27 00:01:21,549 --> 00:01:24,185 Join me for our dramatic season premiere. 28 00:01:24,285 --> 00:01:27,688 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery. 29 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:30,124 [theme music] 30 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:21,409 What are you afraid of-- 31 00:02:21,509 --> 00:02:26,547 the dark, flying, heights? 32 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:29,850 Many of us harbor at least one secret irrational fear, 33 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:31,519 a phobia. 34 00:02:31,619 --> 00:02:33,587 Sometimes when the phobia is serious enough 35 00:02:33,687 --> 00:02:36,590 to disrupt normal functioning, we will do almost anything 36 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:39,026 to regain control of our lives. 37 00:02:39,126 --> 00:02:42,896 For a man named Bruce Kelly, the attempt to cure his phobias 38 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:45,199 took him to places he could never have imagined. 39 00:02:51,905 --> 00:02:53,040 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce Kelly 40 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:55,643 grew up in Glendora, California, a small town 41 00:02:55,743 --> 00:02:56,877 just outside Los Angeles. 42 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,949 Bruce was a natural athlete who went to college 43 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:03,317 on a full baseball scholarship. 44 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:09,657 Bruce eventually became a sales manager 45 00:03:09,757 --> 00:03:11,692 for a medical supply firm. 46 00:03:11,792 --> 00:03:14,528 He married, divorced, and as a single parent 47 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:16,564 raised his only daughter. 48 00:03:16,664 --> 00:03:18,065 Through it all, Bruce had been plagued 49 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:19,900 by overpowering phobias-- 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,870 a fear of flying and enclosed spaces which he believed 51 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:26,106 hampered his career and a fear of water which 52 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,308 was just plain bothersome. 53 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:31,845 Anytime that I got around a swimming pool, 54 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:34,248 I would be afraid to even go close to the edge of the pool. 55 00:03:34,348 --> 00:03:37,518 I would just walk way around it. 56 00:03:37,618 --> 00:03:40,521 It even was to the point bad enough where 57 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:42,823 I couldn't sit in a bathtub. 58 00:03:42,923 --> 00:03:47,160 I didn't like the feeling of the water coming up around me. 59 00:03:47,261 --> 00:03:49,897 I'm going to count from three down to one. 60 00:03:49,997 --> 00:03:51,732 When I get to the number one, you're going to be deep-- 61 00:03:51,832 --> 00:03:53,100 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Over the years, 62 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,902 Bruce had sought help from several different 63 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:56,437 medical professionals. 64 00:03:56,537 --> 00:03:58,038 Nothing worked. 65 00:03:58,138 --> 00:04:02,075 Finally in desperation, he went to Rick Brown, a hypnotherapist 66 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,679 who specializes in an unusual and controversial technique 67 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:07,515 known as past life regression. 68 00:04:07,615 --> 00:04:08,949 --this morning. 69 00:04:09,049 --> 00:04:11,719 On the number three, you're going there now. 70 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:14,622 On the next number, two, you become a part of it. 71 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:16,056 On one, you're there. 72 00:04:26,334 --> 00:04:29,603 When I was seeing what I was seeing and I said to him, 73 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:32,172 this can't be real, his direction at the time 74 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,207 was, just go with it. 75 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:36,510 Probably 99% of the people who come to me 76 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:38,812 do not go into past lives. 77 00:04:38,912 --> 00:04:43,250 Probably only 1% of the people have spontaneous regressions 78 00:04:43,351 --> 00:04:45,419 when working with phobias, and Bruce 79 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:50,123 did have a spontaneous regression to a past life. 80 00:04:50,223 --> 00:04:51,692 RICK BROWN: Where are you? 81 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:54,027 I'm in a submarine. 82 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:56,063 RICK BROWN: What's happening? 83 00:04:56,163 --> 00:04:59,500 BRUCE KELLY: I'm drowning. 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,470 Bruce was writhing in that chair. 85 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:05,473 He was actually moving around and going 86 00:05:05,573 --> 00:05:08,476 through the death scene. 87 00:05:08,576 --> 00:05:10,544 Tell me your name. 88 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:11,679 Johnston. 89 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:14,848 RICK BROWN: What is your full name? 90 00:05:14,948 --> 00:05:17,451 James Edward Johnston. 91 00:05:17,551 --> 00:05:18,619 James Edward Johnston-- 92 00:05:18,719 --> 00:05:19,953 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The hypnosis session 93 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:22,523 had taken an intriguing turn. 94 00:05:22,623 --> 00:05:24,592 Bruce Kelly had apparently been thrust 95 00:05:24,692 --> 00:05:26,727 into the life of an American sailor named 96 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:30,798 James Edward Johnston, recalling specific detail that 97 00:05:30,898 --> 00:05:32,466 seemed astonishing. 98 00:05:32,566 --> 00:05:33,767 RICK BROWN: What's going on? 99 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:35,436 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce said that Johnston 100 00:05:35,536 --> 00:05:37,805 had drowned in a submarine, the "USS Shark," 101 00:05:37,905 --> 00:05:41,141 during World War II. 102 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:44,645 Bruce also said the "Shark" had gone down near Borneo, just 103 00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:47,247 off an island called Celebes. 104 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,649 RICK BROWN: Are you alone in this hallway? 105 00:05:50,751 --> 00:05:51,619 BRUCE KELLY: No. 106 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:53,253 There's another man in the hallway. 107 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:54,688 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce even came up 108 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:58,158 with the name of a man trapped with Johnston in the submarine, 109 00:05:58,258 --> 00:05:59,693 Walter Pilgrim. 110 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,896 Everything goes blank and there's the sense 111 00:06:02,996 --> 00:06:04,031 that something's really wrong. 112 00:06:04,131 --> 00:06:05,232 There's water coming in. 113 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:06,734 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce told Rick Brown 114 00:06:06,834 --> 00:06:09,169 that Johnson and Pilgrim had both died at precisely 115 00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:14,708 11:34 PM, February 11, 1942. 116 00:06:14,808 --> 00:06:16,410 BRUCE KELLY: Are there any survivors? 117 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:17,310 No. 118 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:22,750 The memories were just like it was something 119 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:23,917 that happened yesterday. 120 00:06:24,017 --> 00:06:26,920 They were very close to the surface. 121 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:29,389 They came up real easily. 122 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:32,426 At first, it was like I was just making it up, 123 00:06:32,526 --> 00:06:34,261 like this really can't be happening, 124 00:06:34,361 --> 00:06:35,195 this really can't be real. 125 00:06:35,295 --> 00:06:37,798 I have to be making this up. 126 00:06:37,898 --> 00:06:42,670 And I went to the library, more to prove that it didn't 127 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:44,505 happen than it did happen. 128 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:48,341 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The next day, 129 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:51,111 armed with the names of two sailors, a submarine, 130 00:06:51,211 --> 00:06:56,450 and a date, Bruce began a crash course in World War II history. 131 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:57,417 [explosion] 132 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,256 Bruce learned that during the war, 133 00:07:03,356 --> 00:07:07,495 52 American submarines carrying nearly 3,500 sailors 134 00:07:07,595 --> 00:07:09,730 were lost at sea. 135 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:13,100 21 went down in battle, 10 in accidents. 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,637 21 more simply seemed to disappear. 137 00:07:16,737 --> 00:07:18,972 No one knew exactly what had happened to them. 138 00:07:24,645 --> 00:07:28,281 Incredibly, Bruce found that the very first American sub lost 139 00:07:28,381 --> 00:07:32,119 in the war was a "USS Shark," the submarine Bruce 140 00:07:32,219 --> 00:07:33,353 had named under hypnosis. 141 00:07:36,156 --> 00:07:38,992 Bruce was also astounded that the "Shark" had disappeared 142 00:07:39,092 --> 00:07:41,428 near an island called Celebes. 143 00:07:41,529 --> 00:07:44,431 Once again, Bruce's memories proved accurate. 144 00:07:47,635 --> 00:07:50,203 BRUCE KELLY: They also had a crew roster there 145 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,573 and on the crew roster was James E. 146 00:07:52,673 --> 00:07:55,108 Johnston, which was the name that I had 147 00:07:55,208 --> 00:07:57,277 come up with under hypnosis. 148 00:07:57,377 --> 00:08:00,047 And it also gave the approximate date 149 00:08:00,147 --> 00:08:03,383 of loss, which was February 11, 1942, 150 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:04,818 which was also the date that I had 151 00:08:04,918 --> 00:08:08,388 come up with under hypnosis. 152 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:10,223 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce was further amazed when 153 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:13,661 on the crew list, he found the second name he had remembered, 154 00:08:13,761 --> 00:08:18,498 Walter Pilgrim, chief electrician's mate. 155 00:08:18,599 --> 00:08:20,568 BRUCE KELLY: Hairs were standing on the back of my neck 156 00:08:20,668 --> 00:08:21,501 when I saw it. 157 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:25,873 It was like, oh, god, this is real. 158 00:08:25,973 --> 00:08:29,309 I was in total disbelief and total shock. 159 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:34,147 And there was also element of excitement 160 00:08:34,247 --> 00:08:37,350 that maybe there is something to this. 161 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:42,556 Is your mother married? 162 00:08:42,656 --> 00:08:44,892 No. 163 00:08:44,992 --> 00:08:46,493 Is your mother living? 164 00:08:46,594 --> 00:08:47,761 No. 165 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:49,096 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Over the next six months, 166 00:08:49,196 --> 00:08:52,099 Bruce Kelly saw Rick Brown on average once a week. 167 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:54,635 With each session, more details emerged, 168 00:08:54,735 --> 00:08:56,770 details that appeared to come from the life 169 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,472 of James Edward Johnston. 170 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:01,875 I'm going to go now to your mother's death. 171 00:09:01,975 --> 00:09:02,943 Is that acceptable? 172 00:09:03,043 --> 00:09:04,111 Yes. 173 00:09:04,211 --> 00:09:05,412 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In time, Rick Brown 174 00:09:05,512 --> 00:09:08,481 began to talk to Bruce Kelly as if Bruce, in fact, 175 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,784 were on James Edward Johnston. 176 00:09:10,884 --> 00:09:11,719 You're there now. 177 00:09:11,819 --> 00:09:13,086 Are you at home or in the hospital? 178 00:09:15,789 --> 00:09:16,990 BRUCE KELLY: It's in a home. 179 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:20,360 RICK BROWN: Are there many people there? 180 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:21,695 BRUCE KELLY: Yes. 181 00:09:21,795 --> 00:09:23,130 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce saw himself as Johnston 182 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:25,799 around age 12, keeping watch at the moment 183 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:29,269 of his mother's death. 184 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:31,538 A young cousin named Elizabeth stood with him. 185 00:09:40,213 --> 00:09:45,285 Other memories were far less dramatic, even mundane. 186 00:09:45,385 --> 00:09:48,656 Bruce vividly recalled that as Johnston, he always 187 00:09:48,756 --> 00:09:50,791 made it a point to eat the end pieces 188 00:09:50,891 --> 00:09:54,628 from every loaf of bread. 189 00:09:54,728 --> 00:09:57,130 In another session, Bruce remembered that Johnston 190 00:09:57,230 --> 00:10:00,333 was born in February of 1921. 191 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:02,435 As a young man during the Great Depression, 192 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:04,504 he was enrolled in a government work program 193 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:08,709 called the CCC, Civilian Conservation Corps. 194 00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:12,579 The year was 1938, the place California. 195 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,883 Bruce remembered a young girl there named Molly Lassiter, 196 00:10:15,983 --> 00:10:19,319 James Johnston's first love. 197 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:22,656 I'd like to move forward to a time when you're with Molly. 198 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:23,891 Is that acceptable? 199 00:10:23,991 --> 00:10:24,792 Yes. 200 00:10:24,892 --> 00:10:26,359 Moving very quickly now-- 201 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,996 three, to a time when you're with Molly; 202 00:10:29,096 --> 00:10:31,932 two, here there now; one. 203 00:10:32,032 --> 00:10:33,533 Where are you? 204 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,568 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): We're on the bridge. 205 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:37,637 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): What are you doing on the bridge? 206 00:10:37,738 --> 00:10:38,939 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): We're talking. 207 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,308 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): What are you talking about? 208 00:10:41,408 --> 00:10:43,777 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): I'm asking her to run away with me. 209 00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:46,013 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): Is she afraid? 210 00:10:46,113 --> 00:10:47,180 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): Yes. 211 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,415 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): What is you afraid of? 212 00:10:48,515 --> 00:10:49,817 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): Her father. 213 00:10:49,917 --> 00:10:51,885 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): What is she afraid of her father about, 214 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:54,154 why is she afraid of him? 215 00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:56,223 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): Probably afraid for me. 216 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:57,524 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): And what is she 217 00:10:57,624 --> 00:10:59,026 afraid that will happen to you? 218 00:10:59,126 --> 00:11:02,195 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): That he might harm me or even kill me. 219 00:11:11,638 --> 00:11:13,707 RICK BROWN (VOICEOVER): Do you ever see Molly again? 220 00:11:13,807 --> 00:11:14,641 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): No. 221 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:22,349 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Bruce Kelly and Rick Brown 222 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:24,117 began to research Johnston's life, 223 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:29,156 and Bruce's memories checked out with remarkable accuracy. 224 00:11:29,256 --> 00:11:34,094 Johnston had been in the CCC in 1938 and 1939, 225 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:38,631 stationed at Tuli Lake near the California-Oregon border. 226 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:42,202 In 1940, he enlisted in the Navy and served on board 227 00:11:42,302 --> 00:11:45,572 the "USS Shark." 228 00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:48,208 CCC and Naval records listed James 229 00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:51,879 Edward Johnston's hometown as Jacksonville, Alabama. 230 00:11:51,979 --> 00:11:53,781 The date on Johnson's birth certificate 231 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:56,249 confirmed another crucial fact. 232 00:11:56,349 --> 00:11:59,719 The month and year Bruce Kelly had remembered under hypnosis 233 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:04,557 were correct, February 1921. 234 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:06,393 Bruce came up with a significant amount 235 00:12:06,493 --> 00:12:11,198 of information that was well past being coincidental. 236 00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,834 There were too many lines of evidence 237 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:16,069 that pointed to the fact that Bruce 238 00:12:16,169 --> 00:12:20,774 Kelly is the reincarnation of James Edward Johnston. 239 00:12:20,874 --> 00:12:23,676 I could be the reincarnation of James, 240 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:27,014 or it just may be some information that somehow 241 00:12:27,114 --> 00:12:29,382 or another that I've tapped into. 242 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:33,053 And it means it's something else that's happening. 243 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:35,555 I don't know. 244 00:12:35,655 --> 00:12:37,657 Although Bruce's phobias were cured, 245 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:41,428 his life had taken on a new and unexpected dimension. 246 00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:43,563 There seemed to be a mysterious synchronicity 247 00:12:43,663 --> 00:12:47,267 between Bruce Kelly and James Edward Johnston. 248 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,236 Bruce's hypnotherapist, Rick Brown, 249 00:12:49,336 --> 00:12:52,439 made two trips to Johnston's hometown, verifying facts, 250 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:56,176 before he finally persuaded Bruce to go there with him. 251 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,778 Bruce's first visit was filmed as it happened, 252 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:00,547 which you are about to see. 253 00:13:00,647 --> 00:13:01,481 It is not a recreation. 254 00:13:07,287 --> 00:13:11,424 On April 17, 1993, Rick Brown and Bruce Kelley 255 00:13:11,524 --> 00:13:13,293 arrived in the town where James Edward 256 00:13:13,393 --> 00:13:16,496 Johnston was born and raised, Jacksonville, Alabama. 257 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:23,303 At the house where Johnston and his mother had lived, 258 00:13:23,403 --> 00:13:26,706 Bruce Kelly experienced a sudden strong reaction. 259 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:29,709 Again, these events were filmed as they happened. 260 00:13:34,414 --> 00:13:35,315 There's a lot of stuff here. 261 00:13:35,415 --> 00:13:37,350 The back bedroom's right over here. 262 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:38,385 - You feel that? - Yeah. 263 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:39,719 That's the bedroom. 264 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:40,787 That's the [inaudible]. 265 00:13:47,861 --> 00:13:52,232 We've been a lot of places, but-- 266 00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:54,701 [inaudible] 267 00:13:54,801 --> 00:13:55,702 It sure is. 268 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:00,974 So I remember I used to come in the back. 269 00:14:01,074 --> 00:14:03,210 There was like an alley back here 270 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:05,312 or a dirt road or something. 271 00:14:05,412 --> 00:14:07,580 It's almost like he wasn't good enough 272 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:08,481 to come in the front door. 273 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:16,223 BRUCE KELLY (VOICEOVER): Moving to the side of the house 274 00:14:16,323 --> 00:14:18,458 when I could actually see the bedroom 275 00:14:18,558 --> 00:14:20,860 and I knew that was the bedroom, that's when the feelings really 276 00:14:20,961 --> 00:14:22,930 started hitting. 277 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:25,165 Remembering that he used to have to come in on the back street 278 00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:28,301 and come through the back door, the back porch. 279 00:14:28,401 --> 00:14:29,736 I remembered that. 280 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:32,772 I remembered the feelings of kind of feeling 281 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,142 like a second class citizen. 282 00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:39,212 They were poor, she was unmarried. 283 00:14:39,312 --> 00:14:42,249 I couldn't vocalize it myself and somebody off camera 284 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:46,786 said something to the effect of you've come home. 285 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,722 And that's when I got really emotional because that's 286 00:14:49,822 --> 00:14:51,992 exactly what it was. 287 00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:52,892 Hi. 288 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,063 BETTY WATSON: So you made it back down 289 00:14:56,163 --> 00:14:57,931 to this part of the country? 290 00:14:58,031 --> 00:14:59,566 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Afterwards, Bruce Kelly 291 00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:01,568 went to meet several people who remembered 292 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:04,171 James Edward Johnston as a boy. 293 00:15:04,271 --> 00:15:06,873 One of them probably knew Johnston better than anyone 294 00:15:06,974 --> 00:15:09,109 else, his cousin Betty. 295 00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:11,511 We've heard all about you. 296 00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:13,280 How are you? 297 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:15,182 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Betty's real name is Elizabeth, 298 00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:17,817 and Bruce believes she is the same Elizabeth he saw 299 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:21,521 under hypnosis, the little girl who was with James Edward 300 00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:23,156 Johnston when his mother died. 301 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:27,694 Betty remembers her aunt's death, 302 00:15:27,794 --> 00:15:30,197 but not the specifics of the scene. 303 00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:33,266 However, when she met Bruce, other memories of her cousin, 304 00:15:33,366 --> 00:15:35,935 whom she called Edward, flooded back. 305 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:38,038 Betty began to press for details. 306 00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:40,807 Do you remember anything about bread? 307 00:15:40,907 --> 00:15:41,975 Yeah. 308 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:44,844 One of the first sessions that Rick and I had, 309 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:48,581 I talked to him about always liking the heel of the bread, 310 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,650 wanting to get the end of the bread. 311 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:55,422 Because the only that meant anything to me was growing up, 312 00:15:55,522 --> 00:15:56,589 I was the same way. 313 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:57,890 My mom would bring home a loaf of bread 314 00:15:57,991 --> 00:15:59,526 and the first thing I'd do is open that thing up 315 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:00,793 and grab the heel out of there. 316 00:16:00,893 --> 00:16:02,329 Did you open both ends? 317 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:03,230 Sometimes. 318 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:04,364 Edward did. 319 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,199 And I'd get in trouble for it, sometimes, too. 320 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:07,900 Oh, really? 321 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:09,402 Yes, I did. 322 00:16:09,502 --> 00:16:11,571 You went to that house, the second on the left? 323 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:12,472 Yeah. 324 00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:13,773 Did you have-- 325 00:16:13,873 --> 00:16:15,142 what where your feelings there? 326 00:16:15,242 --> 00:16:20,280 Well, that's been the emotional high of the trip. 327 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:23,716 It was real difficult, real emotional. 328 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:29,989 Do you feel that you are Edward reincarnated? 329 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:31,424 You don't really feel that? 330 00:16:31,524 --> 00:16:32,359 I don't know. 331 00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:34,627 I don't know. 332 00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:36,329 I've been asked that question so many times. 333 00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:38,865 And all I know is for some reason or another, 334 00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:42,135 I have all this information about him. 335 00:16:42,235 --> 00:16:43,536 I don't know where it comes from. 336 00:16:43,636 --> 00:16:44,937 For me for me to stand here-- 337 00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:47,907 I really don't know to believe. 338 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:54,614 I have doubts, but there are just certain things. 339 00:16:54,714 --> 00:17:02,322 Bruce said that Edward used the back door, and this is true. 340 00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:06,326 And not everyone would have that knowledge. 341 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,498 The older you get, the more you're 342 00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:15,502 going to look at something like reincarnation or anything 343 00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:17,670 that offers an answer. 344 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:20,440 And reincarnation, regardless of what 345 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:24,277 this religion or that religion or anything else thinks of it, 346 00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:25,512 it offers a solution. 347 00:17:30,317 --> 00:17:32,085 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the Jacksonville cemetery, 348 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:34,254 a memorial stone has been erected in honor 349 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:37,890 of James Edward Johnston. 350 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:42,729 No one knows exactly how or when Johnston died, except perhaps-- 351 00:17:42,829 --> 00:17:44,964 just perhaps-- Bruce Kelly. 352 00:17:52,872 --> 00:17:56,443 BRUCE KELLY: I was in my bunk when the attack happened. 353 00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:58,845 [alarm sounding] 354 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:03,816 Everybody was heading toward their stations. 355 00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:05,552 I had gotten into the first hallway 356 00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:06,619 when there was a depth charge. 357 00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:13,960 The submarine was rolling and moving. 358 00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:22,235 James got to his feet and he had gotten five, 10 feet more down 359 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:24,337 the hallway when there was a second depth charge 360 00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:26,206 and it was obviously a direct hit. 361 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:34,147 The next memory I have is the area 362 00:18:34,247 --> 00:18:36,716 that I'm in filling up with water and filling up real fast. 363 00:18:39,352 --> 00:18:40,153 Pilgrim! 364 00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:43,089 Pilgrim, is that you? 365 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:44,924 BRUCE KELLY: There was another man in the hallway 366 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:47,093 and he was experiencing the same thing I was, knocked 367 00:18:47,194 --> 00:18:50,997 off his feet a couple of times and now trapped in this hallway 368 00:18:51,097 --> 00:18:52,031 that was filling up with water. 369 00:18:57,537 --> 00:18:59,772 The last real image that I had was 370 00:18:59,872 --> 00:19:01,874 the other man in the corridor. 371 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:02,942 I wasn't alone in this corridor. 372 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:04,211 There's somebody else here and they're 373 00:19:04,311 --> 00:19:05,312 going to the same thing I am. 374 00:19:05,412 --> 00:19:06,213 We are dying. 375 00:19:29,202 --> 00:19:31,238 I'm probably not as afraid of death 376 00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:33,039 as most people in the United States are 377 00:19:33,139 --> 00:19:36,142 or Western civilization are. 378 00:19:36,243 --> 00:19:39,846 Death isn't something that I think about every day. 379 00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:43,416 And I just try to live every day and enjoy 380 00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:45,652 every day the best that I can. 381 00:19:45,752 --> 00:19:47,987 And when death comes, it comes. 382 00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:49,989 I think that there is something beyond 383 00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:55,795 and I don't think it's a final situation. 384 00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:57,930 I don't think it's the end of-- 385 00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:58,831 there's more. 386 00:20:02,134 --> 00:20:04,203 Although we know it seems far-fetched, 387 00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:06,038 there may actually be one person who 388 00:20:06,138 --> 00:20:09,576 can verify Bruce Kelly's extraordinary experience. 389 00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:13,480 Her name, if she exists, is Molly Lassiter. 390 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:15,815 She would have lived near the California-Oregon border 391 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:20,152 in 1938 and would today be around 70 years old. 392 00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,955 If Molly is out there, perhaps the mystery 393 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:25,625 of Bruce Kelly and James Edward Johnston 394 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:26,826 will at last be solved. 395 00:20:29,996 --> 00:20:32,699 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, thanks to you, our viewers, 396 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:35,034 a fugitive cult leader accused of rape 397 00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:36,469 has finally been tracked down. 398 00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:49,482 This is Julie Cooper of Kansas City, Missouri. 399 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:52,785 With her is Tim Santi, the man who rescued Julie 400 00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:55,522 from a childhood that she says was nothing short 401 00:20:55,622 --> 00:20:56,423 of a living nightmare. 402 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:01,628 When Julie Cooper was just six, her parents 403 00:21:01,728 --> 00:21:03,463 joined a religious cult in Missouri 404 00:21:03,563 --> 00:21:05,532 called the DeCloud Family. 405 00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,668 The leader of the sect was a charismatic ex-police officer 406 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:09,569 named Nelson DeCloud. 407 00:21:12,639 --> 00:21:17,009 Nelson thought that he was God's son-- 408 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:19,111 not really that he was Jesus Christ, 409 00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:21,748 but that he was one of God's sons 410 00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,683 and that he couldn't do any wrong. 411 00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:24,917 OK. 412 00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:26,486 Now, I want you to stay out here for a little while. 413 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:27,687 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie says 414 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:29,922 that by the time she was 10, DeCloud was 415 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:31,791 demanding to have sex with her. 416 00:21:31,891 --> 00:21:33,125 --what God wants you to do. 417 00:21:33,225 --> 00:21:34,060 You understand me? 418 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,227 Yes. 419 00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:36,563 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Julie, 420 00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:39,265 she initially refused but eventually the pressure became 421 00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:43,235 so great that she gave in. 422 00:21:43,336 --> 00:21:46,539 And he says, well, are you ready now? 423 00:21:46,639 --> 00:21:52,512 Of course, after all that had happened, I just said, yes. 424 00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:54,514 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie claims that over the next 12 425 00:21:54,614 --> 00:21:57,350 years, she was subjected to constant humiliation 426 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:59,886 and emotional torture by DeCloud, 427 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:02,422 forced to serve as his unwilling sex partner. 428 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:08,060 Finally in September of 1992, Julie Cooper 429 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,663 made her escape, aided by Tim Santi, 430 00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,599 an electronics repairman. 431 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,435 They had met when Tim visited the compound to work on De 432 00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:18,538 Cloud DeCloud's satellite dish. 433 00:22:18,638 --> 00:22:20,873 Last Thursday I called my friend, Tim. 434 00:22:20,973 --> 00:22:22,274 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At Tim's urging, 435 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,276 Julie went to the police. 436 00:22:24,377 --> 00:22:27,213 They immediately issued a warrant for DeCloud's arrest. 437 00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,215 But before he could be apprehended, 438 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:30,717 DeCloud and his followers disappeared. 439 00:22:34,253 --> 00:22:37,790 I want Nelson to get caught because it's not fair to anyone 440 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:38,691 else that's up there. 441 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:46,365 My mom and dad, they need to know 442 00:22:46,466 --> 00:22:49,802 that he isn't the Messiah-- 443 00:22:49,902 --> 00:22:52,505 he's a criminal. 444 00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:54,106 What he was doing was wrong. 445 00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:00,980 After our broadcast, several viewers from San Angelo, 446 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,684 Texas, a small town 500 miles from DeCloud's old headquarters 447 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:07,019 in Missouri, called to say they had seen 448 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,821 DeCloud's wife in the area. 449 00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:10,457 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The cult had apparently 450 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:12,425 settled in this farmhouse. 451 00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:15,361 When state and local agents converged on the scene, 452 00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:18,097 DeCloud kicked out the screen of the upstairs window 453 00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:19,932 in an attempt to escape. 454 00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:23,235 And the deputies approached him and he tried to wrestle 455 00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:25,037 with a few of them briefly. 456 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:26,806 There were so many law enforcement officers, thought, 457 00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,208 that didn't last very long. 458 00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:32,178 They put the handcuffs on him and escorted him out 459 00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:33,613 of the building. 460 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:34,947 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nelson DeCloud 461 00:23:35,047 --> 00:23:36,816 was booked at the local county jail 462 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,051 and later extradited to Liberty, Missouri, 463 00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:41,688 to stand trial on four criminal counts, including 464 00:23:41,788 --> 00:23:44,223 forcible rape and sodomy. 465 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:47,126 Since the arrest of Nelson DeCloud, 466 00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:48,928 other former members of the group 467 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,130 have come forward wanting to testify 468 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:55,535 about things they witnessed when they were members of the group. 469 00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:56,936 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nelson DeCloud 470 00:23:57,036 --> 00:24:01,708 is currently out on bail, thanks to $25,000 raised by followers. 471 00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:05,545 A trial is scheduled for November 16th, 1993. 472 00:24:05,645 --> 00:24:08,681 If convicted on all charges, Nelson DeCloud could spend 473 00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:11,684 the rest of his life in prison. 474 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,219 I feel confident now that I can 475 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,989 have a normal life after seeing him caught, 476 00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:19,559 knowing that it can be done. 477 00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:25,698 For Julie Cooper her long ordeal is almost, 478 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:29,268 but not quite over she still has to testify to clouds 479 00:24:29,368 --> 00:24:31,237 upcoming trial. 480 00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:33,673 However, this courageous young woman has already found 481 00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:36,075 a happy ending to her story. 482 00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:39,278 Last summer, Julie became engaged to Tim Santi, 483 00:24:39,378 --> 00:24:40,680 the man who helped her escape. 484 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:55,394 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, perhaps you 485 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,630 can help find a hit and run driver whose 486 00:24:57,730 --> 00:24:59,532 victim was an 11-year-old boy. 487 00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,612 Chicago's skyline rises majestically 488 00:25:12,712 --> 00:25:15,447 above the southwest tip of Lake Michigan, 489 00:25:15,548 --> 00:25:17,283 yet the city's character is defined 490 00:25:17,383 --> 00:25:19,318 largely by the diverse communities which 491 00:25:19,418 --> 00:25:20,452 fan out from the shoreline. 492 00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:25,792 The Logan Square section of Chicago 493 00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:28,327 is was a close-knit middle class neighborhood. 494 00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:30,763 Pedro Santiago, Jr. was born here 495 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:33,766 and knew Logan Square like the back of his hand. 496 00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,735 It was a place where he always felt safe. 497 00:25:38,805 --> 00:25:42,074 Pedro, a fifth grader, was popular with his peers, a good 498 00:25:42,174 --> 00:25:44,476 student and a talented athlete. 499 00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:46,913 By the time he was 11 years old, he had already 500 00:25:47,013 --> 00:25:48,414 earned a black belt in karate. 501 00:25:51,618 --> 00:25:52,619 Hi, Mom. 502 00:25:52,719 --> 00:25:54,286 Just calling to let you know that I'm home. 503 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,187 Good. 504 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:56,756 How did school go today? 505 00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:58,457 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On December 12th, 1990, 506 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:00,359 Pedro came straight home from school 507 00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:03,129 and called his mother at work to fill her in on his plans 508 00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:05,297 for the afternoon. 509 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,599 When I'm done with my homework, 510 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:08,167 can I go over to Eric's and show him the ball blaster? 511 00:26:10,436 --> 00:26:11,537 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Pedro left 512 00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:13,906 his house just after 3:00 PM. 513 00:26:14,006 --> 00:26:16,609 At that exact moment, two neighborhood teenagers 514 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:18,377 were walking back from the corner market. 515 00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:26,152 [tires squealing] 516 00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:31,357 Well, I'd never seen anything like that happen so I couldn't 517 00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:32,291 believe that it happened. 518 00:26:32,391 --> 00:26:34,160 I started walking towards the car 519 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:35,928 and I seen that it was real. 520 00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:37,630 I started running towards the car. 521 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:43,135 The driver, he got out of his car. 522 00:26:43,235 --> 00:26:46,706 He started cursing, he started hitting his car. 523 00:26:46,806 --> 00:26:50,276 I guess he was upset with himself for doing it. 524 00:26:50,376 --> 00:26:54,747 Pedro was trying to talk, but my friend was telling 525 00:26:54,847 --> 00:26:57,817 him not to waste his energy. 526 00:26:57,917 --> 00:26:59,251 I'm going to call an ambulance. 527 00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:00,452 Don't let him leave. 528 00:27:00,552 --> 00:27:01,854 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Seconds 529 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,991 later, the man jumped into his black Oldsmobile and took off. 530 00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:09,929 EYEWITNESS: When I was on the phone talking 531 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:13,666 to the man from the fire station, 532 00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:14,834 I seen him pass right by me. 533 00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:22,541 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 12 minutes later, 534 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,477 Pedro was on his way to the emergency room. 535 00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:30,216 The hospital chaplain called Pedro's mother immediately. 536 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:32,551 When I answered the phone and I 537 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:39,325 heard the voice on the other end, I kind of got shocked. 538 00:27:39,425 --> 00:27:41,160 I said, what happened? 539 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:44,496 And then this other person talked to me and said, 540 00:27:44,596 --> 00:27:45,564 it's an emergency. 541 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:46,733 Your son is in the hospital. 542 00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:52,371 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Pedro was unconscious and suffering 543 00:27:52,471 --> 00:27:55,507 from massive head injuries. 544 00:27:55,607 --> 00:27:57,643 His parents had only a few precious seconds 545 00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,346 to comfort him before he was taken into the operating room. 546 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:08,755 When we got to surgery room, they said you can kiss him now. 547 00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:09,922 OK. You can touch him. 548 00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:10,823 Lean forward. 549 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:12,291 We don't have a lot of time. 550 00:28:12,391 --> 00:28:16,695 EDITH SANTIAGO: And then we gave him a kiss. 551 00:28:16,796 --> 00:28:17,596 OK. 552 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:18,597 That's all the time we've got. 553 00:28:23,736 --> 00:28:24,837 And then they took him in. 554 00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,907 They said surgery would be about an hour 555 00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,242 and a half or two hours. 556 00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:34,981 We went in the waiting room and we kept on waiting and waiting. 557 00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:41,587 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Pedro hung 558 00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:45,391 on for 10 agonizing days, but he never regained consciousness. 559 00:28:45,491 --> 00:28:51,263 He was buried the day after Christmas in 1990. 560 00:28:51,363 --> 00:28:54,200 With Pedro's death, the hit and run incident escalated 561 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,234 to a case of manslaughter. 562 00:28:58,037 --> 00:29:01,040 Police had put out an all points bulletin for the car's owner, 563 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:03,509 a Cuban immigrant known on the streets as Cachimba. 564 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:09,081 When police efforts to find Cachimba failed, 565 00:29:09,181 --> 00:29:11,784 Pedro's father began to nose around on his own. 566 00:29:14,553 --> 00:29:21,060 I went to a lot of bars, a lot of places in Chicago 567 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,796 and I asked everybody, did you know Cachimba? 568 00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,232 They said, yeah, but he left Chicago. 569 00:29:26,332 --> 00:29:28,600 He's not here anymore. 570 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:32,038 And I kept asking everybody until one 571 00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:33,639 day I went to this restaurant. 572 00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:36,208 I asked the man-- 573 00:29:36,308 --> 00:29:37,877 [speaking spanish] 574 00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,615 He left town a long time ago. 575 00:29:43,715 --> 00:29:44,951 Cuando? 576 00:29:45,051 --> 00:29:48,955 The last time I saw him was around Christmas. 577 00:29:49,055 --> 00:29:50,389 He wanted me to lend him some money 578 00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:53,292 so he could move to Nueva York. 579 00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:55,828 Did he say why he was moving? 580 00:29:55,928 --> 00:29:58,764 I think he was in some trouble with the police. 581 00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:03,369 He had to get out of town so I gave him $100. 582 00:30:03,469 --> 00:30:09,608 He told me he maybe is in New York now or Florida. 583 00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:12,378 He gave me a lot of places where the man could be. 584 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,646 So I gave the police all those places. 585 00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:18,517 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nearly two years have 586 00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:20,552 passed with no further leads. 587 00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:23,722 For the Santiagos, nothing will ever be the same. 588 00:30:27,293 --> 00:30:31,898 To me, it's like it happened just the other day. 589 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:33,599 It's very hard to let go. 590 00:30:33,699 --> 00:30:36,302 I try and just-- 591 00:30:39,271 --> 00:30:43,375 the happy times that we spent with Pedro 592 00:30:43,475 --> 00:30:47,546 and I see his smiling face and-- 593 00:30:54,786 --> 00:30:57,556 we just miss him a lot. 594 00:30:57,656 --> 00:31:00,292 I know I won't get my son back, 595 00:31:00,392 --> 00:31:03,930 but I would like to see him get caught and be locked up. 596 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:10,802 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Cachimba's real name 597 00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:12,704 is Geraldo Gonzalez. 598 00:31:12,804 --> 00:31:14,706 He has not been charged with any crime. 599 00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:17,977 However, police would like to question him. 600 00:31:18,077 --> 00:31:20,980 Cachimba is Cuban, stands five feet, eight inches tall, 601 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,815 and weighs around 160 pounds. 602 00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:27,353 He may be living in New York, Florida, Michigan, or Illinois. 603 00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:32,791 When we return, a four-year-old girl 604 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,427 survives a devastating tornado and then 605 00:31:35,527 --> 00:31:36,528 mysteriously disappears. 606 00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,109 The Woodward, Oklahoma of 50 years ago 607 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:52,644 belonged to a simpler, quieter age. 608 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:57,649 On April 9th, 1947, two events were the talk of the town. 609 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,918 A popular Ingrid Bergman film had finally 610 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:02,554 arrived at the town's only movie theater. 611 00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:05,557 More importantly, a telephone operator strike 612 00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:08,360 had left Woodward's 5,500 residents virtually 613 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:11,363 cut off from the outside world. 614 00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:13,565 Had the phones been working that day, 615 00:32:13,665 --> 00:32:16,935 Woodward might have gotten news of an impending disaster, 616 00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:20,206 a monstrous tornado that churned its way across Texas 617 00:32:20,306 --> 00:32:21,873 and was headed directly towards them. 618 00:32:25,344 --> 00:32:28,680 As darkness fell, the giant twister slammed into the town, 619 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,217 reducing it to rubble. 620 00:32:31,317 --> 00:32:34,286 More than 1,000 people were injured, more than 100 621 00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:36,655 killed, all in a matter of minutes. 622 00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:44,163 Nearly half a century has passed since the disaster, 623 00:32:44,263 --> 00:32:45,931 but incredibly, one survivor still 624 00:32:46,032 --> 00:32:48,634 remains unaccounted for today. 625 00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:50,602 Joan Gay Croft was only four years 626 00:32:50,702 --> 00:32:52,638 old when she mysteriously disappeared 627 00:32:52,738 --> 00:32:55,874 during the chaotic aftermath of the tornado. 628 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:59,211 Although Joan Gay was last seen more than 46 years ago, 629 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:02,814 some members of her family are convinced she is still alive. 630 00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:06,018 Perhaps with your help, she will be found tonight. 631 00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:07,919 Perhaps she will even be watching. 632 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:14,526 Joan Gay Croft grew up in one of Woodward's most 633 00:33:14,626 --> 00:33:17,029 prominent families. 634 00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:21,300 God is great, God is good, let us thank him for our food. 635 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,734 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Her father, Olin, 636 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,970 was a successful sheep rancher. 637 00:33:25,071 --> 00:33:26,738 He was able to provide a comfortable life 638 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:27,939 for the family-- 639 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,142 his wife, Cleta, her 12-year-old daughter 640 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:32,078 from a previous marriage, and of course, 641 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:35,247 four-year-old Joan Gay, who is remembered fondly 642 00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:38,584 by her great Aunt Ruth Bohn. 643 00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,487 She's the most prettiest little girl I ever seen. 644 00:33:41,587 --> 00:33:42,788 She was just perfect. 645 00:33:42,888 --> 00:33:45,857 Her little teeth was white as pearls. 646 00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:48,060 And she was real bashful. 647 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,728 When someone would come in, she'd 648 00:33:49,828 --> 00:33:50,962 get a hold of her mother's dress tail 649 00:33:51,063 --> 00:33:54,066 and kind of hide around behind her. 650 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,234 She was a mama's girl. 651 00:34:02,474 --> 00:34:03,775 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): April 9th, 652 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:08,614 1947 had dawned ominously, with the sky tinted a reddish cast. 653 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:10,849 That afternoon, Ruth Bohn was visiting 654 00:34:10,949 --> 00:34:15,754 her sister when the day suddenly grew dark and threatening. 655 00:34:15,854 --> 00:34:16,988 Do you feel that? 656 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:18,224 RUTH BOHN (VOICEOVER): So I looked up 657 00:34:18,324 --> 00:34:22,428 and it was just so still that it was really odd. 658 00:34:22,528 --> 00:34:24,596 It's been windy all day and it's really calm out. 659 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:26,598 The sky's an odd color. 660 00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:28,667 RUTH BOHN (VOICEOVER): There wasn't no noise anyhow 661 00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:30,202 and the birds wasn't saying. 662 00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:31,303 It was just quiet. 663 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:40,946 Time we got home, that thing had hit. 664 00:34:41,046 --> 00:34:44,250 We'd hear boards and tin stuff in the house 665 00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:49,388 and I just knew that we'd never had nothing like this. 666 00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:51,923 When the tornado hit, I stepped out on the front porch 667 00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:53,392 and I saw this car coming down the street 668 00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:54,960 with all four wheels looked up and the wind 669 00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:57,363 was pushing it down the street. 670 00:34:57,463 --> 00:34:59,831 I knew we were in trouble then. 671 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:01,433 Wind began to blow. 672 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:05,404 It became quite fierce and we huddled back 673 00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:09,508 in the corner of the room to watch the windows blow out 674 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:14,246 and the electric light lines bounce down the street. 675 00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:19,151 It was just a horrible, horrible experience. 676 00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:20,118 I was very scared. 677 00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:29,094 It lasted four to five minutes, which seemed like an eternity. 678 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:36,302 We were very lucky. 679 00:35:36,402 --> 00:35:39,471 We had broken windows, minor damage. 680 00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:42,874 And then mother and I went to search for our relatives. 681 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:48,714 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Marvella and her mother, 682 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,649 Ruth, joined the survivors streaming 683 00:35:50,749 --> 00:35:53,485 to the town's only hospital. 684 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,355 Ruth had been unable to find her mother or brother, 685 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:59,258 nor had she heard from Olin Croft and his family. 686 00:35:59,358 --> 00:36:00,526 Marvella, over here. 687 00:36:00,626 --> 00:36:02,027 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): An eerie calm had settled 688 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,496 over an unforgettable scene. 689 00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:07,132 Mama, where are you? 690 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:09,000 MARVELLA PARKS: We stepped over bodies. 691 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:13,071 Some of them had their skull all cut off and some of them 692 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:14,306 had their throats cut. 693 00:36:14,406 --> 00:36:16,975 Some of them was dead. 694 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:20,011 It was just like wartime if they dropped a bomb. 695 00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:21,580 That's just about what it looked like. 696 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,749 It was just terrible. 697 00:36:23,849 --> 00:36:25,183 There's Betty Irwin. 698 00:36:25,284 --> 00:36:26,918 Betty? 699 00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,154 Betty, have you seen my mama? 700 00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:30,055 Have you seen my family? 701 00:36:30,155 --> 00:36:31,156 No. 702 00:36:31,257 --> 00:36:32,924 I haven't seen your mama, hon, but Joan Gay 703 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:34,293 and Jerry are in the basement. 704 00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:36,061 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Ruth learned that her nieces had 705 00:36:36,161 --> 00:36:37,396 made it through the tornado. 706 00:36:37,496 --> 00:36:40,098 Their father, Olin, was seriously injured. 707 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:44,303 Tragically, their mother, Cleta, was dead. 708 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,203 I thought, oh, no. 709 00:36:45,304 --> 00:36:46,972 Lord, it can't be this. 710 00:36:47,072 --> 00:36:50,309 It just can't be this, that's all. 711 00:36:50,409 --> 00:36:52,878 She was a perfect mother to those kids 712 00:36:52,978 --> 00:36:55,146 and the kids who loved her. 713 00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:58,717 And that was hard. It was hard. 714 00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:02,120 It was real hard. 715 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,823 Joan Gay, Jerry? 716 00:37:04,923 --> 00:37:06,892 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Ruth picked her way through the dead 717 00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:08,860 and wounded in the hospital basement 718 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,330 until she finally found her nieces. 719 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,332 Joan Gay's leg had been pierced clear 720 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,001 through with a finger-sized splinter of wood. 721 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:19,705 Her sister was bruised from the flying debris. 722 00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:23,375 RUTH BOHN (VOICEOVER): Well, I thought, God saved them both. 723 00:37:23,475 --> 00:37:25,277 They're going to be all right because neither one of them 724 00:37:25,377 --> 00:37:28,046 was hurt very bad. 725 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:31,483 You just think of it as a big ol' splinter, OK? 726 00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:35,153 I want my mommy and my daddy. 727 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,255 I know where your daddy is. 728 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:39,257 I'm going to see if I can find your mama. 729 00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:43,329 The poor kids, I got to tell them mama's gone. 730 00:37:43,429 --> 00:37:45,897 And that was just heartbreaking. 731 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:48,567 So I didn't let on like I even knew because that wouldn't 732 00:37:48,667 --> 00:37:49,735 help those girls at all. 733 00:37:49,835 --> 00:37:51,437 They would have just went hysterical. 734 00:37:51,537 --> 00:37:53,905 I'm sure they would have. 735 00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,173 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Relieved 736 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:58,276 that her nieces were safe, Ruth hurried back outside. 737 00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:00,879 There, she finally found her mother and brother. 738 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:01,813 Mama. 739 00:38:01,913 --> 00:38:03,048 Carl, is she going to be all right? 740 00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:04,215 No, Ruth. She's bad. 741 00:38:04,316 --> 00:38:05,651 We've got to get her to Moreland Hospital. 742 00:38:05,751 --> 00:38:08,420 Mama, can you stand? 743 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,456 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When she got to the other hospital, 744 00:38:10,556 --> 00:38:12,257 Ruth was pressed into service helping 745 00:38:12,358 --> 00:38:15,861 the overburdened doctors and nurses. 746 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:18,330 The next morning, she finally returned to her nieces. 747 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,502 Aunt Ruth. 748 00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:25,837 Where's Joan Gay? 749 00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:27,706 Some men took her. 750 00:38:27,806 --> 00:38:29,375 Some men took her? 751 00:38:29,475 --> 00:38:30,776 Did you know them? 752 00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:31,677 No. 753 00:38:31,777 --> 00:38:33,345 Betty? 754 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:34,613 Betty? 755 00:38:34,713 --> 00:38:35,547 What is it, Ruth? 756 00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:36,615 Where's Joan Gay? 757 00:38:36,715 --> 00:38:38,116 Well, two men came by last night and-- 758 00:38:38,216 --> 00:38:39,250 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The two men 759 00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:40,586 had claimed they were taking the little girl 760 00:38:40,686 --> 00:38:45,323 to a hospital in Oklahoma City, some 120 miles distant. 761 00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,759 But calls to all the hospitals in that area 762 00:38:47,859 --> 00:38:50,929 turned up absolutely no trace of Joan Gay Croft. 763 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,935 Less than a week after the tornado, 764 00:38:57,035 --> 00:38:59,805 Ruth received the phone call she had been dreading, 765 00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:01,339 a call from the local mortician. 766 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:08,313 When the bodies were laid out in the chapel area, 767 00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:10,982 their relatives would come in and look at them. 768 00:39:11,082 --> 00:39:15,053 Well, when you finally got down, we had two left over 769 00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:19,224 that nobody had identified. 770 00:39:19,324 --> 00:39:20,726 Franklin? 771 00:39:20,826 --> 00:39:22,027 Franklin? 772 00:39:22,127 --> 00:39:23,429 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): One of the unclaimed bodies 773 00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:26,197 was a young blonde-haired girl who bore a striking resemblance 774 00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:28,166 to Joan Gay Croft. 775 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:31,269 The mortician asked Ruth to bring some of her niece's close 776 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,104 to the mortuary. 777 00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:35,306 Ruth, these are too big. 778 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:36,808 It's not your niece. 779 00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:38,309 I pray to God you're right, Franklin. 780 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:39,611 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Ruth insisted 781 00:39:39,711 --> 00:39:41,813 on viewing the little girl just to be 782 00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:45,083 sure she was not Joan Gay. 783 00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:49,387 I was really relieved it wasn't our little Joan Gay. 784 00:39:49,488 --> 00:39:54,826 I just-- that was one burden of my heart right there. 785 00:39:54,926 --> 00:39:56,227 You will find her, Ruth. 786 00:39:56,327 --> 00:39:57,596 I hope so. 787 00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,865 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): With Joan Gay still unaccounted for, 788 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:03,368 her family launched an all-out search. 789 00:40:03,469 --> 00:40:09,508 They listed her missing with all of the law enforcement, 790 00:40:09,608 --> 00:40:11,276 FBI. 791 00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:14,746 They went to all extremes to look for her. 792 00:40:14,846 --> 00:40:18,183 And there was never, ever a trace of her. 793 00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:25,356 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After nearly 50 years, 794 00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:28,359 the identity of the two men who carried off Joan Gay 795 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:29,895 is a source of lingering speculation. 796 00:40:32,631 --> 00:40:35,300 According to Ruth, they asked the nurse very specifically 797 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,670 for the Croft children. 798 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,772 Had the men known the family? 799 00:40:40,872 --> 00:40:42,808 Were they even the rescue workers? 800 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:46,377 And where did they take Joan Gay? 801 00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:49,080 Whatever the answers, many of Joan Gay's relatives 802 00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:50,549 believe she is still alive. 803 00:40:53,384 --> 00:40:55,621 It's a possibility she could be out there alive. 804 00:40:55,721 --> 00:40:58,356 I have no idea. 805 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,926 I think maybe she might be because she 806 00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:02,928 wasn't really hurt that bad. 807 00:41:03,028 --> 00:41:06,565 Until somebody can prove to me otherwise, 808 00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:08,166 I will always believe-- 809 00:41:08,266 --> 00:41:12,237 I'll firmly believe-- she's out there somewhere. 810 00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:17,308 And we want to find her and bring her back home. 811 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:20,912 We'd just have a great big reunion, that what we would do. 812 00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:22,648 We would celebrate, yeah. 813 00:41:22,748 --> 00:41:23,749 All of us would. 814 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,186 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Very few pictures of Joan 815 00:41:28,286 --> 00:41:30,656 Gay Croft survived the tornado. 816 00:41:30,756 --> 00:41:33,692 Joan Gay had blue eyes, blonde hair, and at the time 817 00:41:33,792 --> 00:41:35,561 spoke with a mild lisp. 818 00:41:35,661 --> 00:41:38,096 She would probably still have scars on her left calf 819 00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:40,699 from a tornado injury. 820 00:41:40,799 --> 00:41:42,701 Joan Gay Croft was four years old when 821 00:41:42,801 --> 00:41:58,850 she disappeared April 9, 1947. 822 00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:02,520 On our next "Unsolved Mysteries," in Australia, 823 00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:05,256 a panicky young pilot radios that he's being tailed 824 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,292 by a bizarre light source. 825 00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:09,695 Seconds later, the pilot and his plane 826 00:42:09,795 --> 00:42:11,897 literally vanish from the sky. 827 00:42:11,997 --> 00:42:14,199 Some believe it was a close encounter 828 00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:15,400 of the most sinister kind. 829 00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:20,305 Also, the curious saga of a convicted bank 830 00:42:20,405 --> 00:42:24,342 robber who refuses to tell authorities his real name. 831 00:42:24,442 --> 00:42:29,280 The more we kept digging into this gentleman's background, 832 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:33,284 the more mystery surrounded him. 833 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,723 Everyone that surrounded him eventually disappeared. 834 00:42:37,823 --> 00:42:39,090 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Perhaps someone 835 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,360 watching will know his identity and what, if anything, 836 00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:45,463 he is trying to conceal. 837 00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:48,566 Join me next time for another fascinating edition 838 00:42:48,667 --> 00:42:49,968 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 839 00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:52,738 [theme music] 65219

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