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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:13,013 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,114 --> 00:00:15,316 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,721 --> 00:00:23,224 Tonight on "Unsolved Mysteries." 7 00:00:23,324 --> 00:00:26,327 In honor of Veterans Day, the compelling saga of America's 8 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:29,463 last POW. 9 00:00:29,563 --> 00:00:32,300 April 20, 1965. 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,936 American involvement in Southeast Asia was on the rise. 11 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:38,806 Colonel Charles Shelton, an Air Force pilot stationed 12 00:00:38,906 --> 00:00:41,842 in Okinawa, said goodbye to his wife and children 13 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:44,112 for the last time. 14 00:00:44,212 --> 00:00:46,514 Nine days later, Shelton was shot down 15 00:00:46,614 --> 00:00:49,049 and captured when on a top secret reconnaissance 16 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:50,418 flight over Laos. 17 00:00:50,518 --> 00:00:53,687 For the next 25 years, Shelton's wife, Marian, 18 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:56,290 waged a valiant crusade to prove that her husband 19 00:00:56,390 --> 00:01:01,562 was still alive long after the war in Vietnam was over. 20 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:05,199 In 1991, a young woman was driven to a remote area 21 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:08,536 in Florida and brutally murdered by two men who thought they had 22 00:01:08,636 --> 00:01:10,238 committed the perfect crime. 23 00:01:10,338 --> 00:01:12,973 What they didn't know was that another man hiding 24 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,110 nearby had seen everything. 25 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:19,113 Also tonight, another edition of special alert. 26 00:01:19,213 --> 00:01:22,116 Authorities need your help to capture a convicted killer who 27 00:01:22,216 --> 00:01:23,917 recently escaped from prison. 28 00:01:24,017 --> 00:01:25,286 Join me. 29 00:01:25,386 --> 00:01:28,856 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery. 30 00:01:28,956 --> 00:01:33,827 [theme music] 31 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:28,449 On a chilly morning in October of 1990, 32 00:02:28,549 --> 00:02:31,151 the family of Air Force pilot Charles E. Shelton 33 00:02:31,252 --> 00:02:33,153 was joined by friends and dignitaries 34 00:02:33,254 --> 00:02:36,123 at Arlington National Cemetery in Washington DC. 35 00:02:38,826 --> 00:02:42,730 They were gathered to mourn the death of an American hero. 36 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:46,467 But it was not Colonel Shelton who was laid to rest that day. 37 00:02:46,567 --> 00:02:48,135 It was his wife, Marian. 38 00:02:50,971 --> 00:02:54,608 Marian Shelton spent the last 25 years of her life fighting 39 00:02:54,708 --> 00:02:58,045 what may be the final battle of the Vietnam War, 40 00:02:58,145 --> 00:03:00,414 a battle for the truth about her husband 41 00:03:00,514 --> 00:03:03,284 and more than 2,000 other American servicemen 42 00:03:03,384 --> 00:03:07,755 missing and unaccounted for since the war's end. 43 00:03:07,855 --> 00:03:11,692 Colonel Charles Shelton was shot down in the spring of 1965, 44 00:03:11,792 --> 00:03:15,296 long before Vietnam had become a household word. 45 00:03:15,396 --> 00:03:16,864 Today, Colonel Shelton has earned 46 00:03:16,964 --> 00:03:18,966 a unique but tragic honor. 47 00:03:19,066 --> 00:03:21,702 He is the only missing serviceman still officially 48 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:25,439 listed as a prisoner of war. 49 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:27,408 Representatives of the armed services 50 00:03:27,508 --> 00:03:30,444 declined to participate in this broadcast. 51 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:33,013 Though more than a quarter century has passed, 52 00:03:33,113 --> 00:03:35,849 the story of Colonel Shelton is still a subject 53 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:39,587 of intense controversy. 54 00:03:39,687 --> 00:03:41,789 According to Charles Shelton's family, 55 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:44,157 precious little diplomatic or military effort 56 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:46,026 was ever expended by the US government 57 00:03:46,126 --> 00:03:49,563 to actually find Colonel Shelton and bring him home. 58 00:03:49,663 --> 00:03:51,599 Some believe that his prisoner of war status 59 00:03:51,699 --> 00:03:54,468 is simply a concession to POW activists 60 00:03:54,568 --> 00:03:56,670 and a commemoration of his legendary resistance 61 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:58,272 as a captive. 62 00:03:58,372 --> 00:04:01,208 But strong evidence suggests that Colonel Shelton 63 00:04:01,309 --> 00:04:04,312 and perhaps other servicemen missing in Southeast Asia 64 00:04:04,412 --> 00:04:06,013 may still be alive. 65 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:08,115 To Shelton's family, the possibility 66 00:04:08,215 --> 00:04:12,286 seems very real that one day they will celebrate the return 67 00:04:12,386 --> 00:04:13,621 America's last POW. 68 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:18,459 Charles Shelton and Marian Vollman 69 00:04:18,559 --> 00:04:20,328 were high school sweethearts. 70 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:23,030 They married in 1951, and their family quickly 71 00:04:23,130 --> 00:04:25,366 grew to include five children. 72 00:04:25,466 --> 00:04:27,901 But Charles and Marian always acted as though they 73 00:04:28,001 --> 00:04:30,538 were still on their honeymoon. 74 00:04:30,638 --> 00:04:31,472 CHARLES: Is everybody ready? 75 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:38,278 Now, look at the camera. 76 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:39,680 LEA ANN SHELTON: My father and my mother's 77 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:43,917 relationship, they were very much in love with each other. 78 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:46,019 They were each other's first loves. 79 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:48,288 Charles! 80 00:04:48,389 --> 00:04:50,758 LEA ANN SHELTON: Even after 10 years of marriage, 81 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:54,362 it was just real intense and he often 82 00:04:54,462 --> 00:05:01,001 said that she was his first love and only love and last love. 83 00:05:01,101 --> 00:05:03,604 ROBERT STACK: Charles joined the Air Force in 1954 84 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:06,507 and moved rapidly through the ranks. 85 00:05:06,607 --> 00:05:09,142 At the time, American involvement in Vietnam 86 00:05:09,242 --> 00:05:11,679 was quietly and steadily on the rise. 87 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:15,516 Charles Shelton was swept up in the tide. 88 00:05:15,616 --> 00:05:18,486 In 1962, Shelton was sent to Saigon 89 00:05:18,586 --> 00:05:20,821 to train Vietnamese pilots. 90 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:22,790 Three years later, he began flying 91 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:26,994 top secret photo reconnaissance flights over Laos. 92 00:05:27,094 --> 00:05:30,598 In 1965, Dad was definitely at the peak of his career. 93 00:05:30,698 --> 00:05:33,467 He was just about finished with his tour of duty 94 00:05:33,567 --> 00:05:35,969 in the secret part of the war in Indochina. 95 00:05:36,069 --> 00:05:39,006 He had been, at that time, the senior tactical 96 00:05:39,106 --> 00:05:42,443 reconnaissance United States Air Force pilot 97 00:05:42,543 --> 00:05:45,946 involved in the war in Laos. 98 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,416 ROBERT STACK: Laos borders Vietnam on the west. 99 00:05:48,516 --> 00:05:50,451 Although officially neutral during the war, 100 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:52,586 Laotian territory was used by North 101 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,655 Vietnam as a staging area. 102 00:05:54,755 --> 00:05:57,758 The United States bombed targets there frequently and covertly. 103 00:06:01,028 --> 00:06:02,963 Now, you kids go wait in the car for your mother. 104 00:06:03,063 --> 00:06:04,632 OK. 105 00:06:04,732 --> 00:06:05,766 ROBERT STACK: Colonel Shelton was 106 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:08,168 stationed at Okinawa, Japan, where his wife 107 00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:11,238 and children joined him. 108 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:13,541 But he was often gone for weeks at a time, 109 00:06:13,641 --> 00:06:15,342 and enduring the pain of separation 110 00:06:15,443 --> 00:06:20,013 became a familiar duty for Marian and Charles. 111 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:21,081 Bye. 112 00:06:21,181 --> 00:06:21,982 Bye. 113 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,855 I'll wait right here till you get back. 114 00:06:27,955 --> 00:06:28,756 You better. 115 00:06:31,592 --> 00:06:33,927 ROBERT STACK: On April 20, 1965, they 116 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:37,097 had no idea they were saying goodbye for the last time. 117 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,471 Dad's 33rd birthday-- 118 00:06:43,571 --> 00:06:46,373 April 29th, 1965. 119 00:06:46,474 --> 00:06:47,941 Although he wasn't home, the family 120 00:06:48,041 --> 00:06:51,178 decided to celebrate the birthday anyway. 121 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:54,648 On that day, Mom invited some friends of hers 122 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:57,150 and their children, other officer 123 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:01,121 wives and their families over to the home 124 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:02,890 to celebrate his birthday. 125 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:14,134 Hi, Don. 126 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:15,135 Marian. 127 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:17,304 I thought you were flying today. 128 00:07:17,404 --> 00:07:18,305 Hi, Mike. 129 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:24,478 Marian, I need to talk to you. 130 00:07:24,578 --> 00:07:25,378 What is it? 131 00:07:29,182 --> 00:07:35,222 Marian, Charles' plane was shot down a couple hours ago. 132 00:07:35,322 --> 00:07:36,557 He's all right. 133 00:07:36,657 --> 00:07:39,259 They've been in radio contact with him. 134 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:40,427 There's a search and rescue mission 135 00:07:40,528 --> 00:07:42,095 underway even as we speak. 136 00:07:42,195 --> 00:07:44,131 Where is he? 137 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:47,601 He went into the area called the Plain of Jars 138 00:07:47,701 --> 00:07:49,369 in northern Laos, near the Pathet 139 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,305 Lao headquarters in Sam Neua. 140 00:07:52,405 --> 00:07:53,206 This is Grasshopper-32. 141 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:55,509 Come in Whiskey Angel. 142 00:07:55,609 --> 00:07:58,378 ROBERT STACK: American planes made visual and radio contact 143 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:02,315 with Shelton, but before rescue helicopters could reach, 144 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:06,754 a sudden change in the weather sealed his fate. 145 00:08:06,854 --> 00:08:09,389 CHARLES SHELTON JR: There was a low cloud coverage, which 146 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,860 made it impossible for anybody to get in really close 147 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,863 and maneuver without a tremendous amount of danger. 148 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:19,066 So Dad was left sitting on that hill for three days, waiting, 149 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:21,935 and nobody ever came. 150 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:26,139 RICHARD REESE: There was just no organized rescue in those days. 151 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:27,808 That was 1965 he was shot down. 152 00:08:27,908 --> 00:08:32,546 If he was shot down in 1968 at the place he was shot down at, 153 00:08:32,646 --> 00:08:37,885 I think he'd been out of there in an hour and a half. 154 00:08:37,985 --> 00:08:39,252 ROBERT STACK: For three days, Shelton 155 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:41,221 eluded capture by the Pathet Lao-- 156 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:43,757 the communist forces operating in the area. 157 00:08:49,196 --> 00:08:51,064 [speaking laotian] 158 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:54,034 CHARLES SHELTON JR: A platoon of Pathet Lao surrounded Dad. 159 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:56,937 One of the Pathet Lao present actually 160 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:59,807 was an informer for our government 161 00:08:59,907 --> 00:09:01,208 and reported the story. 162 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:03,210 He said that they apprehended him. 163 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:06,346 And the story ends-- that particular 164 00:09:06,446 --> 00:09:08,148 intelligence report-- 165 00:09:08,248 --> 00:09:11,819 saying that Dad's body went limp, forcing his captors 166 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,822 to have to carry him. 167 00:09:14,922 --> 00:09:16,724 [speaking laotian] 168 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,693 ROBERT STACK: Charles Shelton's defiant resistance 169 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,630 would become legendary among American servicemen 170 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:26,667 and even win the grudging respect of his captors. 171 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,736 RICHARD REESE: He was tough and he was tenacious 172 00:09:28,836 --> 00:09:30,738 and he just didn't let go. 173 00:09:30,838 --> 00:09:32,740 I think that if anyone could survive over there, 174 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,675 it would be Charlie Shelton. 175 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:35,643 No doubt in my mind. 176 00:09:40,848 --> 00:09:42,282 ROBERT STACK: Marian Shelton was officially 177 00:09:42,382 --> 00:09:45,252 informed that her husband was a prisoner of war. 178 00:09:45,352 --> 00:09:48,288 His personal effects, returned by Air Force officials, 179 00:09:48,388 --> 00:09:50,891 were a somber reminder of his predicament. 180 00:09:50,991 --> 00:09:55,696 But they also raised deeply troubling questions. 181 00:09:55,796 --> 00:09:59,099 Inside the footlocker, Marian found her husband's dog tags 182 00:09:59,199 --> 00:10:02,135 and his military ID, which are normally carried by Air 183 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:06,306 Force personnel at all times. 184 00:10:06,406 --> 00:10:09,109 Marian also found her husband's camera. 185 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:11,645 When developed, the roll of film inside 186 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:14,882 included this picture, shot just before Shelton's 187 00:10:14,982 --> 00:10:16,549 ill-fated flight. 188 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:19,720 He was wearing what is known as a sanitized uniform, devoid 189 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:22,089 of any official insignia. 190 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:24,057 Many years passed before the Shelton 191 00:10:24,157 --> 00:10:28,528 family would fully understand its tragic implications. 192 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:29,897 If you were captured in Laos, you 193 00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:31,665 were never going to come out. 194 00:10:31,765 --> 00:10:33,566 The war in Laos was that sensitive 195 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:35,703 that the government was not going 196 00:10:35,803 --> 00:10:38,872 to bother with politicizing our presence there 197 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:42,209 by looking for the return of POWs or hostages. 198 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:44,211 And to this date, I don't believe 199 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:46,947 our government has ever admitted to having troops 200 00:10:47,047 --> 00:10:49,917 present in Laos officially. 201 00:10:50,017 --> 00:10:53,020 And we've never negotiated for the men in Laos officially. 202 00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:59,492 ROBERT STACK: Three months after Charles was shot down, 203 00:10:59,592 --> 00:11:02,162 Marian and the children returned to Kentucky. 204 00:11:02,262 --> 00:11:04,898 Lea Ann, honey, don't drag those on the ground. 205 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,466 ROBERT STACK: While the war in Vietnam 206 00:11:06,566 --> 00:11:10,003 dragged on for eight more years, rumors and unofficial accounts 207 00:11:10,103 --> 00:11:13,240 of Charles Shelton filtered through the military grapevine 208 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:14,541 and back to the United States. 209 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:18,478 CHARLES SHELTON JR: From time to time, 210 00:11:18,578 --> 00:11:21,214 pilots would come through from Indochina, 211 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:23,150 and they would come with some news 212 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:26,286 by word of mouth about Dad's situation. 213 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:30,758 They'd come through, tell Mom that Dad was sick or healthy, 214 00:11:30,858 --> 00:11:33,460 if he'd been wounded, or if he'd escaped again, 215 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,262 or this type of thing. 216 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:40,133 Mama kept a lot of that information away from us 217 00:11:40,233 --> 00:11:44,071 because, again, she was afraid that that would hurt us. 218 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:46,073 And I didn't want to hear it. 219 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,975 I loved my father. 220 00:11:48,075 --> 00:11:50,277 I loved him very much. 221 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:53,480 When Mama started telling me stories about what had happened 222 00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:59,219 to Dad, I heard about him being kept in a shallow grave 223 00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:05,893 with bars over it and they poked him, trying to keep him awake. 224 00:12:05,993 --> 00:12:09,362 I couldn't stand to hear about stuff about torture. 225 00:12:09,462 --> 00:12:12,265 [speaking laotian] 226 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:17,137 I have asked for this radio and television time 227 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:21,775 tonight for the purpose of announcing that we today have 228 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,912 concluded an agreement to end the war 229 00:12:25,012 --> 00:12:26,947 and bring peace with honor in Vietnam. 230 00:12:27,047 --> 00:12:30,250 ROBERT STACK: Finally, on January 27, 1973, 231 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:33,220 President Richard Nixon appeared on national television 232 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,525 with a message that Americans had been so desperate to hear. 233 00:12:38,625 --> 00:12:40,828 RICHARD NIXON (ON TV): Within 60 days from this Saturday, 234 00:12:40,928 --> 00:12:44,898 all Americans held prisoners of war throughout Indochina 235 00:12:44,998 --> 00:12:46,666 will be released. 236 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,501 There will be the fullest possible accounting 237 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:51,404 for all of those who are missing in action. 238 00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:53,606 ROBERT STACK: The family was told that all POWs would be 239 00:12:53,706 --> 00:12:55,909 included on one of two lists-- 240 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:57,945 those who were coming home and those 241 00:12:58,045 --> 00:13:00,914 had perished in captivity. 242 00:13:01,014 --> 00:13:02,449 CHARLES SHELTON JR: Those lists were scheduled 243 00:13:02,549 --> 00:13:04,717 to be turned over to our government, 244 00:13:04,818 --> 00:13:07,120 and we understood that the Defense Department would be 245 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:10,090 calling the families all day long, 246 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:14,928 letting them know whether or not their husband or father's name 247 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:16,596 was on which list. 248 00:13:16,696 --> 00:13:17,931 [phone ringing] 249 00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:22,836 Finally, the phone rang way late into the night. 250 00:13:22,936 --> 00:13:25,705 [phone ringing] 251 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:35,815 Hello? 252 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:36,716 Yes, I am. 253 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:46,459 I see. 254 00:13:50,998 --> 00:13:51,798 Thank you. 255 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:01,074 CHARLES SHELTON JR: She began to cry 256 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:02,842 and, of course, I knew what that meant. 257 00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:05,845 Dad's name wasn't on the list. 258 00:14:05,946 --> 00:14:08,081 We naturally concluded that, therefore, we 259 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:11,251 would be told soon just how he died in captivity 260 00:14:11,351 --> 00:14:15,455 and his body returned, and that was the end of the story. 261 00:14:15,555 --> 00:14:18,525 And I think we all felt, although a sense of loss 262 00:14:18,625 --> 00:14:23,596 at the time, there was also an even greater sense of relief 263 00:14:23,696 --> 00:14:25,032 that the waiting was over. 264 00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:34,707 ROBERT STACK: January, 1973, Operation Homecoming. 265 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:39,546 For most Americans, the return of 591 POWs seemed to signal, 266 00:14:39,646 --> 00:14:41,414 at last, the and of the war. 267 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:50,023 Soon after, in April of 1973, the Pentagon 268 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:52,192 issued a statement that stunned the families 269 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:56,096 of those servicemen still missing in Southeast Asia. 270 00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:58,065 There was no indication that American 271 00:14:58,165 --> 00:15:02,069 POWs were alive anywhere. 272 00:15:02,169 --> 00:15:05,438 Mom realized, I think, more and more that if dad would ever 273 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:07,107 come home, or if any of the prisoners 274 00:15:07,207 --> 00:15:08,875 would come home, that it really depended 275 00:15:08,976 --> 00:15:11,211 on the efforts of the families. 276 00:15:11,311 --> 00:15:13,480 And she seemed convinced of that early on-- 277 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,016 so much so that she ventured into Southeast Asia. 278 00:15:21,188 --> 00:15:23,023 ROBERT STACK: August, 1973. 279 00:15:23,123 --> 00:15:25,993 Only a few months after the end of the Vietnam War, 280 00:15:26,093 --> 00:15:27,860 Marian left the safety of Kentucky 281 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:31,164 and traveled halfway around the world. 282 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:33,400 Accompanied by reporter Leah Larkin, 283 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,338 she visited the jungles in Laos that had claimed her husband. 284 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:41,641 Marian's pilot and guide was an American operative fluent 285 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:43,343 in the local dialects. 286 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,812 [speaking laotian] 287 00:15:50,883 --> 00:15:52,052 LEAH LARKIN: We met with villagers 288 00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:53,353 where he was supposed to have been 289 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,722 or was held alive in a cave. 290 00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:57,824 There were sightings of him in the cave. 291 00:15:57,924 --> 00:15:59,692 And some of the villagers had actually 292 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:02,795 visited some of these caves and had seen prisoners. 293 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:05,932 [speaking laotian] 294 00:16:09,102 --> 00:16:09,936 My husband. 295 00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:11,271 LEAH LARKIN: She'd hoped that she 296 00:16:11,371 --> 00:16:13,506 would get some positive proof that her husband was still 297 00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:14,774 alive. 298 00:16:14,874 --> 00:16:17,144 She got no positive proof. 299 00:16:17,244 --> 00:16:19,146 She says they've never seen him. 300 00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:20,880 LEAH LARKIN: People said yes, there must be 301 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,050 men alive, but nothing really-- 302 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:24,517 no concrete evidence. 303 00:16:24,617 --> 00:16:25,718 She says she's very sorry. 304 00:16:25,818 --> 00:16:29,656 One day, she convinced herself he must be dead. 305 00:16:29,756 --> 00:16:31,458 There's no way he could still be alive. 306 00:16:31,558 --> 00:16:32,925 Then the next day, something would happen 307 00:16:33,026 --> 00:16:34,694 to give her a glimmer of hope. 308 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:37,530 It was this constant going back from one to the other. 309 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:38,431 He's dead. 310 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:39,799 No, he's not dead. 311 00:16:39,899 --> 00:16:43,803 And I think that's a torment that's very difficult to live 312 00:16:43,903 --> 00:16:45,772 with, and it's obviously a torment that plagued 313 00:16:45,872 --> 00:16:48,641 her the rest of her life. 314 00:16:48,741 --> 00:16:50,177 ROBERT STACK: Marian Shelton returned home 315 00:16:50,277 --> 00:16:52,679 empty-handed and disheartened. 316 00:16:52,779 --> 00:16:55,582 But two years later, events in Southeast Asia 317 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:59,018 provided a windfall of new information and new hope. 318 00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:06,459 On April 29, 1975, Saigon fell to communist forces. 319 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:12,832 It was 10 years to the day after Charles Shelton was shot down. 320 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:16,203 Thousands of refugees fled Vietnam, crowded into vessels 321 00:17:16,303 --> 00:17:18,105 that were barely seaworthy. 322 00:17:18,205 --> 00:17:20,173 These so-called boat people brought stories 323 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:22,875 about American servicemen that sent shockwaves 324 00:17:22,975 --> 00:17:26,279 through the POW-MIA movement. 325 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:29,349 WILLIAM HENDON: And they came out all over Southeast Asia-- 326 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:33,753 Hong Kong, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand. 327 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:38,525 Hundreds and then thousands told of seeing American pilots, 328 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:41,694 American prisoners, still in chains, gaunt, 329 00:17:41,794 --> 00:17:44,264 starving, begging for food, in prison, 330 00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:47,934 in captivity, on work gangs. 331 00:17:48,034 --> 00:17:54,907 This is how we knew for sure that our men were left behind. 332 00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:57,777 ROBERT STACK: This propaganda films, shot in North Vietnam, 333 00:17:57,877 --> 00:18:01,914 shows American POWs held during the war. 334 00:18:02,014 --> 00:18:05,118 According to the refugees, many were still alive two 335 00:18:05,218 --> 00:18:08,555 years after the war had ended. 336 00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:11,358 For reasons that remain the subject of controversy, 337 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:13,726 the US government withheld the refugees' 338 00:18:13,826 --> 00:18:17,197 accounts in classified files. 339 00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:19,299 WILLIAM HENDON: The stories are overwhelming 340 00:18:19,399 --> 00:18:24,504 in their specificity, in their clarity, and in their numbers. 341 00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:27,407 But if you mark it secret and you keep it locked up 342 00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:31,544 in the safes behind locked doors, behind guarded doors, 343 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:34,381 then we don't know it's there. 344 00:18:34,481 --> 00:18:35,882 ROBERT STACK: Eventually, through the Freedom 345 00:18:35,982 --> 00:18:37,850 of Information Act, Marian obtained 346 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:41,621 hundreds of classified documents pertaining to her husband. 347 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:45,057 Credible sources, many of them CIA operatives, 348 00:18:45,158 --> 00:18:47,694 reported that Charles was alive even as late 349 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:53,600 as 1983, 18 years after he parachuted into Laos. 350 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:55,535 There were so many documents that 351 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:59,472 said Colonel Shelton and other men were alive, 352 00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:01,474 it was apparent that there was just such 353 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,443 a gigantic amount of evidence. 354 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,213 There are reports in his file that he was shot in the legs 355 00:19:06,313 --> 00:19:08,448 because they were so tired of him escaping, 356 00:19:08,548 --> 00:19:09,982 and more reports that he just kept 357 00:19:10,082 --> 00:19:13,119 trying to escape afterwards. 358 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:14,421 CHARLES SHELTON JR: A particular report 359 00:19:14,521 --> 00:19:17,557 that was picked up off of the radio between Pathet Lao 360 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:23,196 headquarters and Hanoi indicated that, in 1968, the Pathet Lao 361 00:19:23,296 --> 00:19:25,832 turned Dad over to the North Vietnamese 362 00:19:25,932 --> 00:19:27,367 and they decided to interrogate him. 363 00:19:33,139 --> 00:19:35,442 [speaking vietnamese] 364 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:45,518 I have heard about you. 365 00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:50,290 [speaking vietnamese] Bow! 366 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:11,611 CHARLES SHELTON JR: When the North Vietnamese returned 367 00:20:11,711 --> 00:20:16,015 with more personnel to apprehend and control Dad, 368 00:20:16,115 --> 00:20:18,318 they found that he had already killed 369 00:20:18,418 --> 00:20:19,652 the other guards that were present 370 00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:21,354 during the interrogation. 371 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:23,990 The report finished with the recommendation 372 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:26,793 that this prisoner be moved north. 373 00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:30,630 Whether that meant to China or Vietnam, we can't be sure, 374 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:35,968 but it commented that he was incorrigible. 375 00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:38,405 ROBERT STACK: The more Marian dug through official records, 376 00:20:38,505 --> 00:20:41,608 the more she believed her husband was still alive. 377 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:43,643 These often vivid accounts became 378 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,245 her ammunition for a bureaucratic showdown 379 00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:50,016 on October 7, 1980. 380 00:20:50,116 --> 00:20:52,619 Priority hearings in San Antonio, Texas. 381 00:20:52,719 --> 00:20:56,823 793 Air Force servicemen already had their classification 382 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:59,559 changed to "presumed dead." 383 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:01,227 Marian was determined to convince 384 00:21:01,328 --> 00:21:03,963 the government that her husband was still alive. 385 00:21:11,371 --> 00:21:14,641 When I was in Vietnam and Laos in 1973, 386 00:21:14,741 --> 00:21:18,511 I met with a delegation of the North Vietnamese. 387 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:21,681 I was seeking any information I could find regarding 388 00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:24,684 the fate of my husband. 389 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:28,321 When I asked specifically about my husband, 390 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:31,491 I was told by the North Vietnamese, 391 00:21:31,591 --> 00:21:34,561 why are you asking us when your own government 392 00:21:34,661 --> 00:21:38,431 says they are all dead? 393 00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:41,701 I am terribly disappointed that our government 394 00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:47,006 has made it so easy for them to evade an accounting. 395 00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,074 I feel that presuming people-- 396 00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:49,476 WALT SHJEFLO: When they set up and decided 397 00:21:49,576 --> 00:21:51,511 to hold these status review hearings, 398 00:21:51,611 --> 00:21:54,381 I don't think they had any idea about burden of proof. 399 00:21:54,481 --> 00:21:57,116 Burden of proof is a legal concept. 400 00:21:57,216 --> 00:22:01,153 What they were going to do was make the servicemember's family 401 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:05,124 come in and prove he was still alive when the only information 402 00:22:05,224 --> 00:22:07,026 about whether he was really alive 403 00:22:07,126 --> 00:22:08,928 was in the hands of the government. 404 00:22:09,028 --> 00:22:11,664 That seemed quite unfair. 405 00:22:11,764 --> 00:22:13,299 Did he have a mustache? 406 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,367 No. 407 00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:15,568 WALT SHJEFLO: We argued that, instead, it 408 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:18,438 should be the service's duty to prove that he should 409 00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:20,707 be changed to Killed in Action. 410 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:23,843 In other words, what evidence do they have that he was dead? 411 00:22:23,943 --> 00:22:25,678 They do have evidence he was alive. 412 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:28,615 Now, what evidence do they have to change that? 413 00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:33,520 The board finds that, by a preponderance of the evidence, 414 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:41,127 Colonel Charles E. Shelton can reasonably be presumed dead. 415 00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:45,632 These findings were reached by a majority decision of the board. 416 00:22:49,502 --> 00:22:51,103 ROBERT STACK: Four years later, Secretary 417 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:54,040 of the Air Force Vernon Orr refused to accept 418 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,476 the board's recommendation. 419 00:22:56,576 --> 00:22:59,846 In 1984, he upheld Charles Shelton's status 420 00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:02,949 as a prisoner of war, making him the only one 421 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:05,518 of more than 2,000 missing servicemen 422 00:23:05,618 --> 00:23:09,055 not listed as presumed dead. 423 00:23:09,155 --> 00:23:11,357 PHIL DONAHUE: Do you think your husband's alive? 424 00:23:11,458 --> 00:23:15,462 I think he very well can be and probably is. 425 00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:16,696 ROBERT STACK: It was a weary Marian 426 00:23:16,796 --> 00:23:19,899 Shelton who took to the airwaves in the late 1980s. 427 00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:22,635 Before national audiences that numbered in the millions, 428 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,071 she continued to press for a vigorous follow-up 429 00:23:25,171 --> 00:23:27,874 to the reports of surviving POWs. 430 00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,677 They know there's prisoners over there. 431 00:23:30,777 --> 00:23:34,447 And I think they know that my husband's over there. 432 00:23:34,547 --> 00:23:38,417 JOAN SHELTON: My mom was so busy doing a lot of the POW things 433 00:23:38,518 --> 00:23:42,088 and going all over the country and speaking on television, 434 00:23:42,188 --> 00:23:45,758 and she didn't know how to cope with it. 435 00:23:45,858 --> 00:23:49,395 When she would come home, she would drink in private 436 00:23:49,496 --> 00:23:50,730 and sleep. 437 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:52,565 She couldn't take it any longer. 438 00:23:52,665 --> 00:23:55,702 She knew that Colonel Shelton was alive. 439 00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:57,970 She knew many other men were alive. 440 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:01,340 And she could not stand to hear the US government continually 441 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,742 lie about it. 442 00:24:02,842 --> 00:24:07,547 Slowly, her heart started to break that the United States 443 00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:10,349 government, what my dad fought for, 444 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:14,320 was not going to bring him home or was not trying hard enough. 445 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:16,789 So it devastated her. 446 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:24,396 Her American dream, that we're all supposed to have, 447 00:24:24,497 --> 00:24:25,297 was broken. 448 00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:31,403 ROBERT STACK: Despair finally overwhelmed Marian Shelton. 449 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:34,273 On several occasions in 1987 and '88, 450 00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:38,410 she was hospitalized for alcohol abuse. 451 00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:41,480 Marian's 25-year struggle for her husband's freedom 452 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:45,417 finally came to an end on October 4, 1990. 453 00:24:45,518 --> 00:24:47,520 Her body was discovered by friends 454 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,656 on the patio of her home. 455 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:54,060 Marian Shelton had shot herself in the head. 456 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,996 WILLIAM HENDON: Marian Shelton was the POW movement. 457 00:24:57,096 --> 00:25:00,533 She's done more-- did more while she was alive than just 458 00:25:00,633 --> 00:25:05,938 about any other person to try to bring those men home. 459 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:10,076 MARIAN SHELTON: Charles was my childhood sweetheart, 460 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:13,512 my best friend, my protector. 461 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:19,786 I prepared myself, as did my husband, for him to be 462 00:25:19,886 --> 00:25:22,989 wounded, captured, or killed. 463 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:27,794 But we were never prepared for him to be 464 00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:29,328 abandoned by his own country. 465 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:35,167 JOAN SHELTON: I do know that there are men still there, 466 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:38,037 and I'm pretty sure my dad's one of them. 467 00:25:38,137 --> 00:25:39,906 And even if he died 10 years ago, 468 00:25:40,006 --> 00:25:41,874 I blame our government for not bringing him 469 00:25:41,974 --> 00:25:44,476 home and leaving him behind. 470 00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:48,014 To those people who would listen to our story 471 00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,349 and just conclude that we're living in a kind of fantasy 472 00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:54,220 land, I would remind them that, two years ago, 473 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,322 the government of the Soviet Union 474 00:25:56,422 --> 00:26:01,160 repatriated to Japan 70 prisoners of war taken 475 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:04,163 from Japan in World War II. 476 00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:07,166 And that the French were still being released 477 00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:11,203 by the Vietnamese as late as the '70s and early '80s 478 00:26:11,303 --> 00:26:14,641 who were captured at Dien Bien Phu in 1954. 479 00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:18,244 So it's not unusual for, as we see, 480 00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:21,748 communist governments keeping citizens 481 00:26:21,848 --> 00:26:23,983 as long as they want to. 482 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:27,086 And sometimes prisoners can live, obviously, 483 00:26:27,186 --> 00:26:29,922 for decades in captivity. 484 00:27:02,388 --> 00:27:03,823 ROBERT STACK: Albuquerque, New Mexico. 485 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:05,858 August 18, 1984. 486 00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:07,026 I've been hit. 487 00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:08,294 ROBERT STACK: 10:25 PM. 488 00:27:16,202 --> 00:27:17,436 - Where you hit? - Twice. 489 00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:18,504 Where? 490 00:27:18,604 --> 00:27:19,739 Real bad in the arm. 491 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:20,907 332. 492 00:27:21,007 --> 00:27:21,808 DISPATCHER (ON RADIO): 32. 493 00:27:21,908 --> 00:27:22,742 1083. 494 00:27:22,842 --> 00:27:23,743 We got shots fired. 495 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:29,115 Start 4355. 496 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,150 ROBERT STACK: 10:28 PM. 497 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,053 Police units respond that most urgent and personal 498 00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:35,755 of emergency calls-- 499 00:27:35,855 --> 00:27:39,158 officer is down. 500 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:40,659 I knew I was losing a lot of blood, 501 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,261 and I was worried about that. 502 00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:43,662 And it was getting hard to breathe 503 00:27:43,763 --> 00:27:48,367 because of the wound in my side and my left lung area. 504 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:51,070 But I had an attitude that I was not going to die, 505 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:55,307 that I was going to make it through it. 506 00:27:55,407 --> 00:27:56,809 I think that helped a lot. 507 00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:58,144 - How is he? - Pretty good. 508 00:27:58,244 --> 00:27:59,045 He's doing all right. 509 00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:00,246 He got two hits here. 510 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:01,413 He's got one right here and another one in the arm 511 00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:02,782 right here. 512 00:28:02,882 --> 00:28:04,516 ROBERT STACK: Vic Webb been on the Albuquerque Police Force 513 00:28:04,616 --> 00:28:07,754 for five years, and this incident was the first time he 514 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:10,622 had ever fired his gun on duty. 515 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,091 What happened? 516 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:13,225 ROBERT STACK: During the shootout, 517 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:15,594 Webb was struck twice. 518 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:18,364 Without the rapid response of his fellow officers, 519 00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:19,832 he would almost certainly have died. 520 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:21,633 Hang in there. Hang in there. 521 00:28:24,937 --> 00:28:27,907 At any moment, on any patrol, police officers 522 00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,409 must expect the unexpected. 523 00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:34,080 The night he was nearly killed, Vic Webb and another officer 524 00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:36,215 entered a local pool hall with an arrest warrant 525 00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:39,318 for a female suspect in a fraud case. 526 00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:41,687 Instead, they found themselves face to face 527 00:28:41,788 --> 00:28:43,022 with a trigger-happy ex-con. 528 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:50,496 The evening began when Officer Rick Foley sat down 529 00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:51,697 at the police crime computer. 530 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,868 He discovered an outstanding arrest 531 00:28:55,968 --> 00:28:58,437 warrant for a woman he wanted to question on another case. 532 00:28:58,537 --> 00:28:59,939 I want to check on an outstanding bench 533 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,073 warrant, please. 534 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:02,474 ROBERT STACK: An informant told Foley 535 00:29:02,574 --> 00:29:04,676 that the suspect frequented an Albuquerque 536 00:29:04,777 --> 00:29:06,478 tavern called Gary's Game Room. 537 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:15,087 Foley and Vic Webb arrived at around 10:00 PM. 538 00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:16,022 Another bench warrant? 539 00:29:16,122 --> 00:29:17,323 Yeah. 540 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,091 Said she was seen in sever places around the area here. 541 00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:21,393 ROBERT STACK: Although they were not ordinarily partners, 542 00:29:21,493 --> 00:29:26,498 Webb had volunteered to assist in serving the warrant. 543 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,334 VICTOR WEBB: When we walked in, we noticed some people 544 00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:31,938 sitting at a bar off to the left and a couple 545 00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:33,005 of people playing pool. 546 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:34,206 You guys need some help with something? 547 00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:35,908 Just looking. 548 00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,276 VICTOR WEBB: Towards the back of the room, 549 00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:40,146 there was a dark hallway, so we decided 550 00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:41,814 to move back towards the back and take a look. 551 00:29:50,756 --> 00:29:52,624 Drop your guns. 552 00:29:52,724 --> 00:29:55,094 Give me your guns! 553 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:58,530 Give them to me now! 554 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:02,268 This was a situation where we were caught absolutely cold. 555 00:30:02,368 --> 00:30:04,436 And here was a guy pointing a gun at us, 556 00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:05,838 demanding our weapons. 557 00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:08,841 I'd been out of the Academy for approximately 558 00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,210 a year and a half, two years. 559 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,046 Fairly new on the department. 560 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:17,183 And my first thoughts were I couldn't believe 561 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:18,284 this was happening to me. 562 00:30:23,089 --> 00:30:26,625 I snapped back into reality and knew that if, in fact, he was 563 00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:30,029 going to shoot me or kill me, I didn't want 564 00:30:30,129 --> 00:30:31,630 it to be inside the Game Room. 565 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:40,072 VICTOR WEBB: His first round hit me in the side. 566 00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:43,242 I was wearing a bulletproof vest at the time, 567 00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:45,945 but this round went in between the two panels on my side 568 00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:49,415 and entered the rib area. 569 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,884 ROBERT STACK: Although the first shot had broken two ribs, 570 00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:55,321 Officer Webb managed to pull his own weapon and return fire. 571 00:30:59,425 --> 00:31:00,993 VICTOR WEBB: We were probably about 3 feet apart 572 00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,395 at this time, but he was on one side of the wall 573 00:31:03,495 --> 00:31:06,598 and I was on the other side. 574 00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:09,368 I had fired five to six rounds by this time, 575 00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,338 and he was continuing to fire back through the Sheetrock. 576 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:17,576 ROBERT STACK: A bullet ripped through Webb's right arm, 577 00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:21,147 severing an artery and destroying nerves. 578 00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:25,484 His shooting hand was rendered useless. 579 00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:29,521 Webb made his way to the exit and struggled to his feet. 580 00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:31,590 Only later did authorities realize 581 00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:34,026 that the suspect had picked up Webb's gun 582 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:35,527 and used it to make his escape. 583 00:31:42,301 --> 00:31:44,036 The alleged assailant was subsequently 584 00:31:44,136 --> 00:31:47,373 identified as Lyle Moody, a paroled armed robber 585 00:31:47,473 --> 00:31:50,109 with a criminal record stretching back 17 years. 586 00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:57,316 The great irony in this case is that the fraud suspect 587 00:31:57,416 --> 00:32:00,652 Webb and Foley were initially seeking had been arrested 18 588 00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:03,655 months before, but her name had never been removed 589 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:04,656 from the police computer. 590 00:32:10,829 --> 00:32:12,864 Since the night of the shootout, Lyle Moody 591 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:17,069 has been spotted in Los Lunas, New Mexico, Oxnard, California, 592 00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:19,071 and Montbello, Colorado, where he 593 00:32:19,171 --> 00:32:27,079 was last seen in March of 1985. 594 00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:29,982 I would hope that the police officers who run across him 595 00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:33,185 the next time know who he is and know how dedicated he 596 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,954 is to not going back to prison. 597 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:43,895 My fear is that he's going to be cornered by some other officers 598 00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:47,533 who may not know who he is and more police 599 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:48,700 officers are going to get hurt. 600 00:33:18,764 --> 00:33:22,901 Recently, we were contacted by the FBI with an urgent request. 601 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,737 They hope that our viewers might assist in locating a convicted 602 00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:28,240 murderer who had just escaped from the state penitentiary 603 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,276 in Bismarck, North Dakota. 604 00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:32,144 Please watch closely. 605 00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:35,314 Perhaps you will recognize Richard Lee McNair. 606 00:33:35,414 --> 00:33:36,415 RICHARD MCNAIR: Do you wanna live 607 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:39,351 here for the rest of your life? 608 00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:40,752 The rest of your life! 609 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,855 There's no Burger Kings, no Dairy Queens, no McDonald's. 610 00:33:43,955 --> 00:33:46,258 This is it! 611 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:49,628 This is all there is. 612 00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:51,997 ROBERT STACK: While in prison, Richard McNair eagerly 613 00:33:52,098 --> 00:33:54,533 assisted authorities in presenting crime prevention 614 00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,836 programs to local teenagers. 615 00:33:57,936 --> 00:34:00,372 Richard McNair was really a model 616 00:34:00,472 --> 00:34:01,840 prisoner here at the state pen. 617 00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:05,411 He was the editor of the inmate newspaper, 618 00:34:05,511 --> 00:34:09,781 very polite to staff, and most people seemed to like him. 619 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,050 ROBERT STACK: Behind his facade of cooperation, 620 00:34:12,151 --> 00:34:15,254 McNair was dedicated to breaking out of prison. 621 00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:18,657 His first attempt in April of 1991 was a failure, 622 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:21,760 but McNair persisted. 623 00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:24,496 On the evening of October 9, 1992, 624 00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:27,999 McNair and two other inmates finally discovered a weak link 625 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,836 in the prison security. 626 00:34:30,936 --> 00:34:33,439 Mr. McNair and the other two individuals 627 00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:38,277 who escaped with him at the time were in an education room. 628 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,546 They worked their way through the air vent coming 629 00:34:40,646 --> 00:34:43,782 into that room and crawled up into a mechanical space 630 00:34:43,882 --> 00:34:46,318 where the vents for the institution are. 631 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:50,122 They then entered a second vent which leads to the roof 632 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:53,892 area of the institution. 633 00:34:53,992 --> 00:34:55,427 ROBERT STACK: The three inmates made their way 634 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:58,096 over a series of rooftops and through several coils 635 00:34:58,197 --> 00:34:59,598 of razor wire. 636 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:02,501 Finally, after dropping 15 feet to the ground, 637 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,070 they were out of the prison. 638 00:35:05,171 --> 00:35:06,705 TIM SCHUETZLE: As soon as they hit the second roof 639 00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:09,141 and they were heard by the officer who immediately 640 00:35:09,241 --> 00:35:11,443 reported it to the captain, our captain 641 00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:14,780 ran out of the institution as the three individuals were 642 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,015 running about 50 feet in front of her 643 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,917 to the south of the penitentiary. 644 00:35:19,017 --> 00:35:22,554 She then radioed for help. 645 00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:24,890 ROBERT STACK: Within 48 hours, two of the convicts 646 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:26,057 were recaptured. 647 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:28,894 However, Richard McNair is still on the run. 648 00:35:31,597 --> 00:35:34,900 Authorities believe McNair may have stolen a light blue 1990 649 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,637 Chevrolet pickup truck like this one, missing from H.A. Thompson 650 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:43,242 and Son's plumbing company 2 miles west of the prison. 651 00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:45,377 McNair may be headed to Oklahoma, where 652 00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:47,846 his family lives, or to Washington state, 653 00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:50,316 where he has a girlfriend. 654 00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:52,117 We consider McNair extremely dangerous, 655 00:35:52,218 --> 00:35:54,986 very volatile, very violent. 656 00:35:55,086 --> 00:35:57,289 The original crime he was charged with in November 657 00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:59,925 of 1987 was a shooting death. 658 00:36:00,025 --> 00:36:01,193 He said he will not come back. 659 00:36:01,293 --> 00:36:02,494 He will not be taken. 660 00:36:02,594 --> 00:36:04,663 McNair is extremely dangerous. 661 00:36:16,242 --> 00:36:18,644 ROBERT STACK: Next, a mysterious witness reports 662 00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:20,145 a brutal murder in Florida. 663 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:32,358 For the police, nothing is more frustrating than a case 664 00:36:32,458 --> 00:36:33,792 where they are virtually positive they 665 00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:37,863 know who committed a murder but have no way of proving it. 666 00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:40,966 Florida authorities are caught in just such a dilemma. 667 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:42,568 Their only hope of closing the case 668 00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:45,103 is to locate an unknown eyewitness, 669 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:46,638 a man who called the Miami Police 670 00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:49,975 Department on May 1, 1991. 671 00:36:50,075 --> 00:36:51,810 [phone ringing] 672 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,214 911 Police and Fire. 673 00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:58,116 ROBERT STACK: The caller told a police operator 674 00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,319 that he had witnessed a horrible crime in Belle 675 00:37:00,419 --> 00:37:02,220 Glade, 80 miles north of Miami. 676 00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:16,268 ROBERT STACK: The operator could not fully 677 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:18,370 understand the caller, so she connected 678 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:19,938 him to Detective Burt Blanco. 679 00:37:22,941 --> 00:37:24,910 In a rushed, nervous voice, the caller 680 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:27,346 began to describe a grisly scene which he had 681 00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:30,716 witnessed several days earlier. 682 00:37:30,816 --> 00:37:33,619 He said he was hunting illegally in a sugar cane field 683 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,153 when he heard a vehicle in the distance. 684 00:37:38,724 --> 00:37:40,859 The man stated that, as he ran to hide, 685 00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:43,595 a blue Ford Bronco pulled up nearby. 686 00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:45,564 A man and a woman got out. 687 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:47,999 She called him Ricardito. 688 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:51,002 What you're about to hear is a translation of the eyewitness's 689 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:52,371 phone call to the police. 690 00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:57,576 They started to argue, the girl and him. 691 00:37:57,676 --> 00:37:59,144 I'll kill you if you don't give me the money. 692 00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:00,412 - I'll give it to you. - Give me the money. 693 00:38:00,512 --> 00:38:01,513 I'll get it for you. I promise I'm going to kill you. 694 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,014 ANTONIO: It appeared to be a drug problem. 695 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:03,915 You don't believe me? 696 00:38:04,015 --> 00:38:05,116 You see what I can do. 697 00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:06,652 ANTONIO: He was telling her to give him the money. 698 00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,086 I don't have the money. 699 00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:10,055 ANTONIO: She told him she could not give him the money yet. 700 00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:14,526 There were two of them. 701 00:38:14,626 --> 00:38:17,829 The young man appeared to be Cuban and the other Mexican 702 00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:19,398 by the way he spoke. - I'm going to kill you! 703 00:38:19,498 --> 00:38:20,366 Give me the money. 704 00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:21,933 ANTONIO: She was shouting, Ricardito! 705 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,569 Don't kill me, Ricardito. 706 00:38:23,669 --> 00:38:24,603 Ricardito, don't kill me! 707 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:25,504 I'm going to kill you! 708 00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:26,405 No! 709 00:38:26,505 --> 00:38:27,473 [screaming] 710 00:38:29,508 --> 00:38:33,144 ANTONIO: After he killed her, he dragged her away. 711 00:38:33,244 --> 00:38:34,913 I got down on my knees because I thought, 712 00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:39,217 if this person sees me, they're going to kill me, too. 713 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,553 Then the Bronco pulled away. 714 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,390 I saw a 7 and a 2 on the license plate. 715 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:47,258 Then I left because I was scared. 716 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:48,627 But later I thought, it's a crime. 717 00:38:52,498 --> 00:38:53,732 ROBERT STACK: The mysterious caller 718 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,201 had said that the sugar cane field was behind a building 719 00:38:56,301 --> 00:38:58,570 shaped like an ice cream cone. 720 00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:01,006 Detective Frank Mayo of the Palm Beach County 721 00:39:01,106 --> 00:39:02,941 Sheriff's Department in Belle Glade 722 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:06,978 was assigned to investigate. 723 00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:10,882 FRANK MAYO: I left the station and went down to the area 724 00:39:10,982 --> 00:39:12,684 of the Twisty Treat. 725 00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:14,352 And once I was there, I looked around 726 00:39:14,453 --> 00:39:17,088 and I saw a set of tree lines about a mile 727 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:18,757 south of the Twisty Treat. 728 00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:20,258 So I decided to drive to that area 729 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,693 and start searching the tree line. 730 00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:28,467 As I was passing along the tree line in my vehicle, 731 00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:33,939 I saw a small, brown object over in the tall grass area. 732 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,743 Not, knowing at that time what it was, I stopped the car. 733 00:39:37,843 --> 00:39:40,679 I got out and I walked over to the bushes. 734 00:39:40,779 --> 00:39:42,147 And after I got there, I realized 735 00:39:42,247 --> 00:39:45,784 it was it was the body of a female at that time, 736 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,654 but the body was in a state at which, at that time, 737 00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:51,990 I couldn't determine which race it was. 738 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,660 ROBERT STACK: Detective Mayo notified headquarters. 739 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,295 A team of homicide investigators was immediately 740 00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,298 dispatched to the scene. 741 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:01,600 It was a very heinous crime. 742 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,735 It was very violent. 743 00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:05,971 I believe that the suspect had a lot of disregard 744 00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:07,473 for human life-- 745 00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:10,175 a lot of disregard. 746 00:40:10,275 --> 00:40:12,377 She had been laying there for approximately a week, 747 00:40:12,478 --> 00:40:14,045 maybe a few days longer. 748 00:40:14,145 --> 00:40:16,147 She had passed the decomposition stage, 749 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:19,184 and she'd started to get into mummification. 750 00:40:19,284 --> 00:40:23,855 How we identified her was her right thumbprint 751 00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:26,224 was the only print left. 752 00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:29,528 The majority of her fingers had already turned to skeleton. 753 00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:30,929 And with that right thumbprint, we 754 00:40:31,029 --> 00:40:33,164 were able to make an identification 755 00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:37,402 and prove that she was, in fact, Rebecca Young. 756 00:40:37,503 --> 00:40:39,838 ROBERT STACK: Rebecca Young was a 21-year-old resident 757 00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:41,239 of Belle Glade. 758 00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:45,210 In a terrible irony, Rebecca's mother had also been murdered. 759 00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,513 Rebecca was 12 years old at the time 760 00:40:47,613 --> 00:40:51,517 and went to live with her aunt Lucille. 761 00:40:51,617 --> 00:40:54,319 LUCILLE WILLIAMS: We had a very close relationship. 762 00:40:54,419 --> 00:40:55,687 We was friends. 763 00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:57,155 We was sisters. 764 00:40:57,255 --> 00:40:58,590 We was mother and daughter. 765 00:40:58,690 --> 00:41:00,992 We was grandparents, too. 766 00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:04,963 And this is the way I raised her and her brother. 767 00:41:05,063 --> 00:41:10,068 Rebecca was a very quiet, shy girl, and she was the type, 768 00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:14,706 she would do anything she possibly could for anybody. 769 00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:17,475 She was the type of child I would give 770 00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:21,713 anything to have over again. 771 00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:23,114 ROBERT STACK: Police began to dig 772 00:41:23,214 --> 00:41:26,852 into Rebecca Young's background, looking for a murder suspect. 773 00:41:26,952 --> 00:41:29,120 They soon discovered that, after high school, 774 00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:31,156 Rebecca had become involved with a man 775 00:41:31,256 --> 00:41:34,425 known to be a petty criminal. 776 00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:38,096 She had gotten hooked up with a person 777 00:41:38,196 --> 00:41:42,634 locally who had gotten her into a different type of life 778 00:41:42,734 --> 00:41:44,603 than she was accustomed to. 779 00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:49,307 He started introducing her to the drug scene and prostitution 780 00:41:49,407 --> 00:41:52,711 and things of this nature. 781 00:41:52,811 --> 00:41:55,113 He had beat her up on more than one occasion 782 00:41:55,213 --> 00:41:57,749 and had intimidated her and threatened her 783 00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:59,618 into this type of lifestyle. 784 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:04,355 ROBERT STACK: While police had determined that the man is not 785 00:42:04,455 --> 00:42:06,524 a suspect in Rebecca's murder, they 786 00:42:06,625 --> 00:42:08,493 do believe that his petty thievery 787 00:42:08,594 --> 00:42:09,761 may have led to her death. 788 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:13,732 FRANK MAYO: This person may have robbed 789 00:42:13,832 --> 00:42:16,534 the client without Rebecca's knowledge 790 00:42:16,635 --> 00:42:18,837 that he was going to do this. 791 00:42:18,937 --> 00:42:21,106 Rebecca may have suffered the consequences 792 00:42:21,206 --> 00:42:22,974 as a result of his actions. 793 00:42:26,244 --> 00:42:29,581 ROBERT STACK: On May 14, 1991, three weeks after Rebecca 794 00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:32,517 Young's murder, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department 795 00:42:32,618 --> 00:42:34,853 detained a possible suspect. 796 00:42:34,953 --> 00:42:37,989 He was a local man who had reportedly told a prostitute 797 00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:40,859 that he killed a black woman. 798 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:42,594 When the man was pulled over, police 799 00:42:42,694 --> 00:42:43,561 suspected that he was drunk. 800 00:42:43,662 --> 00:42:44,996 See, man? I'm clean. 801 00:42:45,096 --> 00:42:45,997 See? 802 00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:47,666 I'm clean, man. - Sir, step out of the-- 803 00:42:47,766 --> 00:42:48,967 - What'd you stop me for? - Sir! 804 00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:49,935 Step to the back of your car! 805 00:42:50,035 --> 00:42:50,936 I know what you guys want, man. 806 00:42:51,036 --> 00:42:51,903 Come on. - Right there, sir! 807 00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:53,404 Sir! Step to the back of your car! 808 00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,405 Man, I didn't do nothing! 809 00:42:54,505 --> 00:42:55,473 Sir, step to the back of your car. 810 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:56,942 Don't move. 811 00:42:57,042 --> 00:42:58,309 FRANK MAYO: Before I could interview him, 812 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:01,980 he told me that I wanted to talk to him about a murder. 813 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,182 And when I told him, no, I wanted 814 00:43:04,282 --> 00:43:05,350 to talk to him about the prostitute 815 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:06,584 he would've been out with, he said, 816 00:43:06,685 --> 00:43:07,518 I don't want to talk to you. 817 00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:09,120 I want an attorney. 818 00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:10,455 And at that point, where we didn't 819 00:43:10,555 --> 00:43:14,025 have any further evidence that he was involved in this, 820 00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:16,494 I had to release him. 821 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,296 ROBERT STACK: Even though the suspect would eventually 822 00:43:18,396 --> 00:43:21,366 be released, police feel certain that he was involved 823 00:43:21,466 --> 00:43:25,136 in Rebecca Young's murder. 824 00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,706 They are now engaged in an all-out search for the elusive 825 00:43:27,806 --> 00:43:29,808 eyewitness who had originally telephoned 826 00:43:29,908 --> 00:43:33,311 them to report the crime. 827 00:43:33,411 --> 00:43:36,114 Little is known about the man except that his first name is 828 00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:37,515 Antonio. 829 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:39,150 He said he called from a pay phone 830 00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:42,620 because he did not have a telephone at home. 831 00:43:42,721 --> 00:43:44,823 Judging from Antonio's accent, police 832 00:43:44,923 --> 00:43:48,293 believe he was born in Cuba. 833 00:43:48,393 --> 00:43:50,796 This is a portion of the actual tape recording 834 00:43:50,896 --> 00:43:52,497 of Antonio's telephone call. 835 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,185 ROBERT STACK: Police in Florida as well as 836 00:44:14,285 --> 00:44:16,888 the friends and family of Rebecca Young want to urge 837 00:44:16,988 --> 00:44:19,657 Antonio to come forward. 838 00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:22,427 It should be emphasized that he is not wanted for any crime. 839 00:44:34,605 --> 00:44:37,108 On our next "Unsolved Mysteries," 840 00:44:37,208 --> 00:44:38,777 you'll meet George Anderson, whose 841 00:44:38,877 --> 00:44:40,712 apparent psychic abilities have amazed 842 00:44:40,812 --> 00:44:43,114 believers and baffled skeptics. 843 00:44:43,214 --> 00:44:44,816 He says he can help grieving families 844 00:44:44,916 --> 00:44:46,885 by communicating with their lost loved ones 845 00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:48,686 from beyond the grave. 846 00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:52,057 It sounds unbelievable, but you can judge for yourself 847 00:44:52,157 --> 00:44:53,925 as we take you to an actual session 848 00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:56,962 with this intriguing man. 849 00:44:57,062 --> 00:44:59,931 Join me next time for another edition 850 00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:01,767 of "Unsolved Mysteries." 851 00:45:01,867 --> 00:45:05,703 [music playing] 67438

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