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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,229 --> 00:00:36,066 We are the first all-girl band that wrote their own material 2 00:00:36,233 --> 00:00:39,194 and played their own instruments to be really successful. 3 00:00:41,155 --> 00:00:43,490 All right, this is for you for being so nice. 4 00:01:02,009 --> 00:01:05,137 I gave up looking for a reason 5 00:01:06,513 --> 00:01:10,267 To live with things just the way they were 6 00:01:12,311 --> 00:01:14,730 I came around, used to be 7 00:01:14,938 --> 00:01:17,316 Easy to get to so they 8 00:01:17,524 --> 00:01:20,486 Got to me in just about every way 9 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:23,781 Caught with no cards up your sleeve 10 00:01:23,989 --> 00:01:25,949 Not much to choose from 11 00:01:26,617 --> 00:01:28,368 Grew up all along 12 00:01:28,535 --> 00:01:30,621 Just thinking that you couldn't lose 13 00:01:32,748 --> 00:01:34,958 I came around, used to be 14 00:01:35,167 --> 00:01:37,586 Easy to get to so they 15 00:01:37,795 --> 00:01:40,672 Got to me in just about every way 16 00:01:42,549 --> 00:01:44,426 Can't stop the world 17 00:01:44,968 --> 00:01:49,056 Can't stop the world Why let it stop you? 18 00:01:49,306 --> 00:01:50,849 People automatically assumed 19 00:01:51,016 --> 00:01:53,685 that we were probably put together by some guy, 20 00:01:54,144 --> 00:01:56,480 but we did it all ourselves. 21 00:01:56,730 --> 00:01:57,773 Let's go! 22 00:02:07,282 --> 00:02:08,534 We got on stage, 23 00:02:08,742 --> 00:02:12,454 and it happened to be a group of women really kicking ass. 24 00:02:12,663 --> 00:02:13,664 It was great. 25 00:02:14,206 --> 00:02:17,793 One in a million bands gets to where we got. 26 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,753 America knew who The Go-Go's were. 27 00:02:21,380 --> 00:02:22,714 These are The Go-Go's. 28 00:02:23,006 --> 00:02:25,300 Charlotte Caffey, Gina Schock, 29 00:02:25,509 --> 00:02:28,220 Jane Wiedlin, Kathy Valentine 30 00:02:28,428 --> 00:02:29,930 and Belinda Carlisle. 31 00:02:30,097 --> 00:02:34,017 The greatest all-girl group of all time, The Go-Go's. 32 00:02:34,643 --> 00:02:36,311 - The Go-Go's! - The Go-Go's! 33 00:02:37,688 --> 00:02:40,816 We were really making big strides, loving what we were doing 34 00:02:40,983 --> 00:02:43,068 and being in that moment of, like, wow! 35 00:02:44,361 --> 00:02:45,821 Can't stop the world... 36 00:02:46,029 --> 00:02:48,699 I couldn't walk down the street at that time. 37 00:02:48,907 --> 00:02:50,784 That's how famous The Go-Go's were. 38 00:02:51,702 --> 00:02:52,902 In the course of a year, 39 00:02:52,995 --> 00:02:56,081 we had gone from playing dive bars to Madison Square Garden. 40 00:02:56,290 --> 00:02:57,457 Can't stop the world 41 00:02:57,624 --> 00:03:00,274 I was on top of the world, I felt like we had made it. 42 00:03:15,517 --> 00:03:17,728 There never would have been The Go-Go's 43 00:03:17,936 --> 00:03:20,939 without the punk rock scene in Los Angeles. 44 00:03:21,148 --> 00:03:23,817 Well, you got it! From Hollywood, The Go-Go's! 45 00:03:24,443 --> 00:03:26,153 Happy Saint Patrick's Day. 46 00:03:29,948 --> 00:03:31,948 There's a problem with the monitor here, 47 00:03:32,075 --> 00:03:34,620 and I'm getting shocked. Sorry. 48 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,544 At the time, there were 50 kids tops in the LA punk scene. 49 00:03:42,753 --> 00:03:46,173 It was DIY, and if you were terrible, you were cooler, 50 00:03:46,381 --> 00:03:49,426 and anybody could do whatever they wanted. 51 00:03:49,593 --> 00:03:50,719 It was total freedom. 52 00:03:50,928 --> 00:03:52,763 Don't assume that we never think 53 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:55,182 You think you know but you haven't a clue 54 00:03:55,349 --> 00:03:56,683 - 'Cause we're - We're 55 00:03:56,850 --> 00:03:58,101 - Here - Here 56 00:03:58,310 --> 00:04:00,270 - Now - Now 57 00:04:00,437 --> 00:04:04,650 We don't need you around 58 00:04:05,776 --> 00:04:08,612 It was about feeling emotion, anger, rage. 59 00:04:08,779 --> 00:04:12,824 And you got to express it. And the rawer, the better. 60 00:04:15,869 --> 00:04:18,205 Don't make the mistake of criticizing 61 00:04:18,413 --> 00:04:20,082 Don't even bother patronizing 62 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:23,919 I was such a punk, it was like my identity. 63 00:04:25,420 --> 00:04:29,174 Being in The Go-Go's meant being more involved in the scene 64 00:04:29,383 --> 00:04:32,928 with all your friends. Just a great sense of belonging. 65 00:04:33,136 --> 00:04:34,179 ...around 66 00:04:35,764 --> 00:04:37,432 - 'Cause we're - We're 67 00:04:37,641 --> 00:04:42,479 I was a little bit of an outsider, because I wasn't overtly punk rock. 68 00:04:43,271 --> 00:04:44,856 You wouldn't think so looking at me, 69 00:04:44,940 --> 00:04:47,640 I look really straight, but I have a very twisted mind. 70 00:04:51,154 --> 00:04:55,325 We hated society and our parents but we supported each other. 71 00:04:56,743 --> 00:05:01,039 Everyone was welcome, outcasts, geeks, gays, straights, 72 00:05:01,248 --> 00:05:05,293 people of color, women. It was inclusive. 73 00:05:05,877 --> 00:05:07,212 - 'Cause we're - We're 74 00:05:07,421 --> 00:05:08,630 - Here - Here 75 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:09,840 - Now - Now 76 00:05:10,048 --> 00:05:12,048 And that was a great place for me to be, 77 00:05:12,134 --> 00:05:14,928 because I always felt like I didn't fit in. 78 00:05:17,597 --> 00:05:20,391 I kind of had this image of being this really happy person, 79 00:05:20,475 --> 00:05:21,560 and I can be. 80 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:24,938 But I have this thing in me that's just always there, like... 81 00:05:27,190 --> 00:05:30,110 I have a lifelong history of depression. 82 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:34,156 When I was 15, I tried to kill myself. 83 00:05:37,451 --> 00:05:40,746 Right around that same time, I was looking at Women's Wear Daily, 84 00:05:40,954 --> 00:05:43,654 and they had all these photos of the London punk scene. 85 00:05:44,458 --> 00:05:48,628 Oh, my God, it really spoke to me. I was like, "I want this!" 86 00:05:48,795 --> 00:05:51,089 So I just started making my own punk clothes, 87 00:05:51,298 --> 00:05:54,551 and one weekend, I went to this store on Sunset Strip 88 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,678 that was called Granny Takes a Trip, 89 00:05:56,887 --> 00:06:00,390 and while I was in there, I met Pleasant Gehman. 90 00:06:01,975 --> 00:06:04,561 This little girl came in, she had huge eyes. 91 00:06:04,728 --> 00:06:06,688 She looked like an anime action figure. 92 00:06:07,564 --> 00:06:11,568 She had these shirts that had two zippers sewn in over the boobs, 93 00:06:11,735 --> 00:06:13,987 and so, when you unzipped them, 94 00:06:14,154 --> 00:06:16,990 your bra or your bare boobs would come out. 95 00:06:17,908 --> 00:06:20,958 She told me that there was a scene in Hollywood, a punk scene, 96 00:06:21,119 --> 00:06:24,081 and she gave me a flyer for this club called the Masque. 97 00:06:30,921 --> 00:06:35,550 In the punk scene, there was just so much energy and anger. 98 00:06:38,929 --> 00:06:42,182 And having suppressed bad feelings my whole life, 99 00:06:42,724 --> 00:06:45,226 the suicide attempt was obviously it trying to come out, 100 00:06:45,310 --> 00:06:47,229 and then, becoming a punk rocker, 101 00:06:47,437 --> 00:06:50,190 I felt was a really positive way for it to come out. 102 00:06:51,608 --> 00:06:54,194 People used to cross the street when they saw me. 103 00:06:54,903 --> 00:06:57,948 I felt powerful for the first time. 104 00:06:59,616 --> 00:07:01,701 I just felt like I had found my home. 105 00:07:03,912 --> 00:07:06,373 The punk scene gave me an outlet to act out 106 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:10,085 and be the badass that I thought I was. 107 00:07:11,586 --> 00:07:13,380 I'm the oldest of seven kids. 108 00:07:14,005 --> 00:07:16,967 My father left when I was five. 109 00:07:17,801 --> 00:07:19,511 My stepfather was hardcore, 110 00:07:19,719 --> 00:07:21,763 very much an old-school disciplinarian. 111 00:07:22,305 --> 00:07:23,598 We had no money. 112 00:07:24,724 --> 00:07:26,476 I remember growing up and being in school 113 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,810 and always feeling like I was pretending to be 114 00:07:28,895 --> 00:07:30,772 something that I probably wasn't. 115 00:07:31,356 --> 00:07:34,943 I was a real good student, I was a cheerleader. 116 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:36,611 Does anybody have a cigarette? 117 00:07:36,987 --> 00:07:39,865 But then, I discovered the punk scene, 118 00:07:41,283 --> 00:07:44,202 and that opened up a whole new world for me. 119 00:07:45,620 --> 00:07:48,206 Everybody in the LA punk rock scene... 120 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:51,918 it was like there was invisible smoke signals 121 00:07:52,127 --> 00:07:53,878 getting sent out of, like, you know, 122 00:07:53,962 --> 00:07:56,112 "You need to go to this club on that night." 123 00:07:57,424 --> 00:08:00,468 And the Sex Pistols were playing at Winterland in San Francisco, 124 00:08:00,552 --> 00:08:03,221 and pretty much everybody in LA drove up. 125 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:07,767 It was really like a religious pilgrimage. 126 00:08:08,476 --> 00:08:11,526 They were just the kings of the original, original punk scene. 127 00:08:11,688 --> 00:08:16,985 Problem, problem, problem, problem... 128 00:08:17,152 --> 00:08:20,030 The Sex Pistols gave this, like, slacker performance 129 00:08:20,238 --> 00:08:22,449 that wasn't compelling at all. 130 00:08:23,658 --> 00:08:25,785 Johnny Rotten, at the end of the show, 131 00:08:25,994 --> 00:08:27,787 said the famous quote of his. 132 00:08:29,748 --> 00:08:32,417 Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? 133 00:08:32,626 --> 00:08:33,710 Good night! 134 00:08:35,545 --> 00:08:37,045 You know, it was kind of like, 135 00:08:37,172 --> 00:08:40,425 "Oh, man, these guys were our heroes, and they kind of suck." 136 00:08:41,801 --> 00:08:47,015 And it also felt like the first wave of punk was sort of dying. 137 00:08:47,390 --> 00:08:50,190 It was time for some new people to start doing something. 138 00:08:51,394 --> 00:08:53,980 I think that was the weekend I actually got to know Margot, 139 00:08:54,064 --> 00:08:56,691 and then we started talking about forming a band, 140 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:58,276 a girl band, actually. 141 00:08:58,485 --> 00:08:59,685 Everybody was in a band. 142 00:08:59,819 --> 00:09:01,988 I mean, it was like the cool thing to be in a band. 143 00:09:02,072 --> 00:09:03,823 And we were basically the only people left 144 00:09:03,907 --> 00:09:06,993 that weren't in a band, so we decided to do it too. 145 00:09:08,912 --> 00:09:10,205 I met Elissa. 146 00:09:10,413 --> 00:09:13,750 She was one of my high school friend's cousins. 147 00:09:13,959 --> 00:09:15,877 Margot then met Belinda. 148 00:09:16,253 --> 00:09:19,965 The punk scene was so small, so we all knew each other vaguely. 149 00:09:20,632 --> 00:09:22,717 Thinking about bands like The Shirelles 150 00:09:22,884 --> 00:09:25,887 and The Shangri-Las, it was exciting to think 151 00:09:26,096 --> 00:09:28,807 we could do the new version of that. 152 00:09:29,557 --> 00:09:32,018 But this time, we were going to play instruments. 153 00:09:33,019 --> 00:09:34,271 With one little problem? 154 00:09:34,479 --> 00:09:36,629 That we didn't know how to play instruments. 155 00:09:40,485 --> 00:09:41,987 Well, I wanted to play bass 156 00:09:42,612 --> 00:09:46,032 and I knew I would have to learn by doing. 157 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:51,288 I didn't have drums, I had to go out and find drums. 158 00:09:53,206 --> 00:09:55,583 You know, I had a couple of weeks of folk guitar lessons 159 00:09:55,667 --> 00:09:57,669 when I was 12, I'll just play guitar. 160 00:10:01,131 --> 00:10:02,781 I certainly thought I could sing. 161 00:10:02,924 --> 00:10:05,885 I thought I sounded like Julie Andrews. But... 162 00:10:06,219 --> 00:10:08,722 We can do what we want We can say... 163 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:10,890 We didn't know what we were doing. 164 00:10:11,057 --> 00:10:12,684 In the punk scene it was like, 165 00:10:12,892 --> 00:10:15,942 "Great, you don't know what you're doing? Just fucking do it." 166 00:10:17,272 --> 00:10:18,440 Charming, darling. 167 00:10:19,190 --> 00:10:21,740 We'd sort of been, like, going over different names, 168 00:10:21,901 --> 00:10:23,736 nothing really seemed right or whatever... 169 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:25,620 Was it the Misfits, it was gonna be? 170 00:10:25,780 --> 00:10:27,740 Because that's how we sort of felt at the time. 171 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:30,910 At that time, The Kinks came out with Misfits, the album. 172 00:10:31,119 --> 00:10:34,455 We thought, "No, everyone will think, you know, we stole it from them." 173 00:10:34,539 --> 00:10:38,084 So, The Go-Go's seemed to fit us. 174 00:10:40,462 --> 00:10:43,840 I remember doing our first show. It was at the Masque. 175 00:10:46,301 --> 00:10:49,888 Everyone was excited when The Go-Go's played at the Masque. 176 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,684 Their set was three songs long, and two of them were the same song. 177 00:10:56,644 --> 00:10:58,271 We only knew those songs, 178 00:10:58,563 --> 00:11:01,274 so it wasn't a matter of having a set list. 179 00:11:02,359 --> 00:11:03,860 We didn't need one. 180 00:11:06,738 --> 00:11:08,364 There's one song about Robert Hilburn 181 00:11:08,448 --> 00:11:11,242 who was a huge music critic at the LA Times. 182 00:11:12,035 --> 00:11:13,635 Betcha think you're really smart 183 00:11:13,745 --> 00:11:15,705 We know better You're a boring fart 184 00:11:15,872 --> 00:11:19,000 New wave music makes good copy Tell us Bob, could punk be art? 185 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:25,799 People were either laughing or completely mortified in horror. 186 00:11:26,007 --> 00:11:28,176 It was a big, fat mess. 187 00:11:28,885 --> 00:11:30,678 I wasn't really intimidated 188 00:11:30,887 --> 00:11:33,515 about being as terrible as we were in the beginning. 189 00:11:33,723 --> 00:11:34,973 That was the whole point, 190 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:37,811 you can sound horrible and still make music. 191 00:11:39,604 --> 00:11:41,189 I think that deep down inside, 192 00:11:41,398 --> 00:11:43,650 we knew that we had something really special, 193 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:48,988 but we needed someone that actually knew how to... do it. 194 00:11:52,325 --> 00:11:54,452 Let's try plugging the amps into the wall first, 195 00:11:54,536 --> 00:11:55,954 like, you know what I mean? 196 00:11:57,205 --> 00:12:01,501 When I was very, very young, like, first and second grade, 197 00:12:01,709 --> 00:12:04,212 I had an Elvis Presley record 198 00:12:04,421 --> 00:12:08,007 and Johann Strauss "Blue Danube" waltz. 199 00:12:08,216 --> 00:12:12,429 I would listen to both of them, like put one on, dance around, 200 00:12:12,595 --> 00:12:14,895 put the other one on, waltz around, you know... 201 00:12:16,975 --> 00:12:19,602 I started playing piano when I was four years old. 202 00:12:20,311 --> 00:12:22,856 At a very young age, I was moved by music. 203 00:12:23,022 --> 00:12:25,316 I had an ear for music. 204 00:12:27,318 --> 00:12:31,114 I went to Immaculate Heart College, taking classical piano. 205 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:36,077 I loved it, but it was kind of snotty attitude, 206 00:12:36,286 --> 00:12:39,747 like, some of these students were just like, "Who are you?" 207 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:44,961 I started going to some of the punk rock shows. 208 00:12:45,962 --> 00:12:50,633 The punk bands just busted me open, knowing that all this music theory, 209 00:12:50,842 --> 00:12:53,928 rules, had to be thrown out the window. 210 00:12:55,638 --> 00:12:59,017 Don't talk to me 211 00:12:59,225 --> 00:13:00,602 When I graduated college, 212 00:13:00,768 --> 00:13:03,188 my best friend Joe Ramirez and I started a band. 213 00:13:03,354 --> 00:13:04,898 We named it The Eyes. 214 00:13:06,149 --> 00:13:09,986 It was one of the most freeing things just to turn up our amps to ten, 215 00:13:10,153 --> 00:13:13,740 bash through, and just anything went. 216 00:13:13,948 --> 00:13:16,159 Don't talk to me Don't look at me 217 00:13:16,367 --> 00:13:18,411 Don't talk to me, oh yeah 218 00:13:18,661 --> 00:13:22,499 Don't talk to me, don't look at me Don't talk to me 219 00:13:22,665 --> 00:13:25,960 That is like a feminist anthem for women of my generation. 220 00:13:27,795 --> 00:13:33,051 Margot and I went to an Eyes show where we thought, "Oh, Charlotte!" 221 00:13:33,259 --> 00:13:35,053 Yeah 222 00:13:35,261 --> 00:13:36,804 We thought she was perfect. 223 00:13:38,890 --> 00:13:43,728 I'm backstage, and I see these two sets of legs walking up. 224 00:13:44,270 --> 00:13:50,235 One has spikey heels, ripped fishnets, a trash bag. 225 00:13:51,027 --> 00:13:52,278 That was Belinda. 226 00:13:52,612 --> 00:13:54,531 She said, "Hi, Charlotte. 227 00:13:54,739 --> 00:13:57,199 You know, we're starting this all-girl band, do you wanna join?" 228 00:13:57,283 --> 00:13:59,118 And what am I gonna say, no? 229 00:14:02,664 --> 00:14:05,500 I was totally intimidated by them, 230 00:14:05,708 --> 00:14:09,212 because Jane and Belinda and Margot, they're all like punks 231 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,216 and they're asking me, like the dork of all time, 232 00:14:13,424 --> 00:14:18,012 to, like, join their band. So, I felt kind of special, I guess. 233 00:14:21,849 --> 00:14:25,353 When they asked, "Hey, do you play lead guitar?" I lied. 234 00:14:26,312 --> 00:14:28,439 I figured I played bass so, you know, 235 00:14:28,731 --> 00:14:31,484 "Yeah, it's a couple more strings, it'll be okay." 236 00:14:36,197 --> 00:14:37,574 We started rehearsing... 237 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:41,911 but, you know... 238 00:14:43,329 --> 00:14:45,122 we were pretty crappy in the beginning. 239 00:14:45,206 --> 00:14:47,250 We really didn't sound that great. 240 00:14:49,043 --> 00:14:50,795 It was pretty screechy. 241 00:14:52,213 --> 00:14:55,466 I remember going into the Masque one Saturday afternoon, 242 00:14:55,675 --> 00:14:57,092 hearing some music and thinking, 243 00:14:57,176 --> 00:14:59,345 "Oh, who's rehearsing down here today?" 244 00:14:59,554 --> 00:15:02,097 And then, opening a door and seeing Belinda on stage 245 00:15:02,181 --> 00:15:03,891 holding a mic kind of awkwardly. 246 00:15:05,018 --> 00:15:07,186 I just thought, "Oh, God, that's so great, 247 00:15:07,395 --> 00:15:10,481 women pulling together to achieve something," 248 00:15:10,690 --> 00:15:13,735 and I wanted to support that cause and be part of it. 249 00:15:14,986 --> 00:15:16,988 I love communities of women. 250 00:15:18,114 --> 00:15:21,618 This band caught my interest for that reason. 251 00:15:24,662 --> 00:15:26,664 This song's called "Fashion Seekers". 252 00:15:37,717 --> 00:15:41,638 Bland ideas in a borrowed head 253 00:15:42,555 --> 00:15:47,268 We saw no reason why we couldn't be just as good as the boys or men. 254 00:15:47,977 --> 00:15:51,356 They'll suck the shirt right off of your back 255 00:15:51,564 --> 00:15:54,942 We weren't going to be anything but a great band. 256 00:15:59,030 --> 00:16:02,230 They were really on the fast track, and they wanted to get going. 257 00:16:02,450 --> 00:16:06,204 And so, they weren't going to let anything stand in their way. 258 00:16:08,873 --> 00:16:11,209 Elissa was very, very eccentric. 259 00:16:12,460 --> 00:16:15,296 I don't know if she was shy or an introvert, 260 00:16:15,463 --> 00:16:17,715 but she was never really part of the gang. 261 00:16:17,924 --> 00:16:19,676 She always held herself apart. 262 00:16:20,802 --> 00:16:22,970 I was coming from two different worlds. 263 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:28,226 I had to answer to my employer, and I had to answer to the band. 264 00:16:29,894 --> 00:16:32,939 And they wanted me to quit my job, the girls, 265 00:16:33,147 --> 00:16:35,191 and be more dedicated. 266 00:16:35,358 --> 00:16:39,237 I stuck my toe in the water, but I never dove in all the way. 267 00:16:40,071 --> 00:16:43,574 We definitely needed to bring somebody in that wanted to be there. 268 00:16:44,742 --> 00:16:48,079 I happened to meet the girls at a party one night, and... 269 00:16:48,246 --> 00:16:51,207 That's how it started, I invited 'em over for... 270 00:16:51,416 --> 00:16:52,916 They said, "We're looking for a drummer." 271 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,700 "Oh, we're looking for a drummer." 272 00:16:54,836 --> 00:16:57,380 And I said, "Great. I'll try out for the band." 273 00:16:57,588 --> 00:16:58,965 One, two, three, four 274 00:17:02,093 --> 00:17:04,428 The amps are set up, they bring their guitars, plug in, 275 00:17:04,512 --> 00:17:07,849 we play like three songs, and it was like... done deal. 276 00:17:08,057 --> 00:17:09,767 I buy cologne 277 00:17:09,976 --> 00:17:13,396 Holy shit! I don't even know how to describe the difference. 278 00:17:13,604 --> 00:17:16,691 It was really, like, ta-da! 279 00:17:17,817 --> 00:17:19,610 I need promises... 280 00:17:20,570 --> 00:17:23,489 The next thing I know, they found this other drummer. 281 00:17:23,948 --> 00:17:26,617 I was very upset and hurt. 282 00:17:27,493 --> 00:17:30,329 When you kick people out of bands, it's fucking tough. 283 00:17:30,747 --> 00:17:33,297 But at the time, these things just seemed necessary, 284 00:17:33,458 --> 00:17:35,585 and they seemed for the good of the band. 285 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,378 When she was 13, 286 00:17:37,545 --> 00:17:40,715 she would come home from school, go up into the front bedroom, 287 00:17:41,048 --> 00:17:43,885 put the earphones on and bang on the drums. 288 00:17:44,719 --> 00:17:47,019 A lot of girls weren't playing drums back then, 289 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:49,307 and so I got in a band right away. 290 00:17:49,891 --> 00:17:52,518 We were Baltimore's first new wave punk band. 291 00:17:52,727 --> 00:17:53,853 We had a lot of fun, 292 00:17:54,061 --> 00:17:57,148 but at that point I was like, "I want to play in arenas." 293 00:17:57,356 --> 00:18:00,006 "I don't want to stay playing in clubs my whole life." 294 00:18:01,486 --> 00:18:03,237 When I left Baltimore I told everybody, 295 00:18:03,321 --> 00:18:05,921 "The next time you see me, I'm gonna be a rock star." 296 00:18:06,532 --> 00:18:09,702 I drove across country with a dream and a camera. 297 00:18:09,911 --> 00:18:11,711 I was, like, always taking pictures. 298 00:18:15,208 --> 00:18:17,710 I had 2000 dollars and two grams of coke. 299 00:18:22,048 --> 00:18:23,757 I remember the first time I met Gina, 300 00:18:23,841 --> 00:18:26,841 she had this frizzy blonde hair and she was wearing overalls. 301 00:18:26,928 --> 00:18:30,056 She looked crazy, and I was like, "I'm going to fix you." 302 00:18:30,473 --> 00:18:32,873 She needed a little bit of, you know, punking up. 303 00:18:34,393 --> 00:18:38,022 So, we cut her hair, dyed it black, and she was ready. 304 00:18:39,941 --> 00:18:42,109 Then, I was into taking just Polaroids. 305 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:47,949 The punk scene allowed you to be whoever you wanted to be, 306 00:18:48,115 --> 00:18:51,415 play the way you wanted to play, and you fit in. You were accepted. 307 00:18:54,247 --> 00:18:57,208 Being in that setting made me feel safe. 308 00:18:59,085 --> 00:19:01,796 And it just allowed us a lot more freedom 309 00:19:02,088 --> 00:19:03,714 to do what we wanted to do. 310 00:19:05,550 --> 00:19:06,843 It's like a dream... 311 00:19:08,177 --> 00:19:09,627 only you're really living it. 312 00:19:12,223 --> 00:19:17,520 Jane was just so cute and sweet and bubbly, and her little voice. 313 00:19:17,937 --> 00:19:20,647 We both had crushes on each other, I guess you could say, 314 00:19:20,731 --> 00:19:22,531 but we were girlfriends for a while. 315 00:19:24,151 --> 00:19:27,301 She was the boss in the relationship, I was the new kid in town, 316 00:19:27,488 --> 00:19:29,657 and it made me feel comfortable. 317 00:19:32,201 --> 00:19:33,619 Jane broke up with me. 318 00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:42,795 It wasn't like either one of us were heartbroken or anything. 319 00:19:43,004 --> 00:19:47,133 You think something like that's going to fuck with the band? No way. 320 00:19:47,341 --> 00:19:49,802 One, two, G-O, G-O 321 00:19:51,053 --> 00:19:53,973 What Gina brought, besides being a really amazing drummer, 322 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:56,100 is that she made us work hard. 323 00:19:56,517 --> 00:20:00,313 She said, "You guys have to rehearse every single night." 324 00:20:00,479 --> 00:20:02,929 And we're just like, "What are you talking about?" 325 00:20:03,274 --> 00:20:06,224 Hey, it doesn't hurt to rehearse, it only makes you tighter. 326 00:20:06,944 --> 00:20:10,239 I mean, I was determined to whip them into shape. 327 00:20:12,241 --> 00:20:15,494 Because I felt there was something magical there. 328 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:17,830 You just needed to push it more. 329 00:20:17,997 --> 00:20:20,332 You needed to get the girls to be more focused and more serious 330 00:20:20,416 --> 00:20:21,666 about what they're doing. 331 00:20:22,627 --> 00:20:23,628 She was right. 332 00:20:24,128 --> 00:20:30,509 We improved, and it pushed us to another level. And I was on fire! 333 00:20:33,763 --> 00:20:37,683 I was sitting at home, it was about midnight, 334 00:20:37,892 --> 00:20:39,810 I was watching The Twilight Zone. 335 00:20:40,019 --> 00:20:41,729 You're flying to a new planet, 336 00:20:41,938 --> 00:20:45,399 a planet of light, of darkness and the in-between. 337 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,280 I wanted to write a song, and I was listening to the music all day long. 338 00:20:51,739 --> 00:20:53,782 I really wanted to write something with a beat. 339 00:20:53,866 --> 00:20:55,785 I was hearing something in my mind. 340 00:20:57,161 --> 00:20:59,511 I was just sitting there minding my own business 341 00:21:00,498 --> 00:21:02,458 and all of a sudden this whole melody, 342 00:21:02,625 --> 00:21:07,296 this whole idea came to my mind, and I was like, "Oh, shit." 343 00:21:07,797 --> 00:21:09,966 I ran and got my little cassette player. 344 00:21:11,884 --> 00:21:13,469 And I wrote the song, 345 00:21:13,636 --> 00:21:15,936 it was like five minutes, it just all came out. 346 00:21:16,681 --> 00:21:18,140 The zone of writing, 347 00:21:18,641 --> 00:21:21,791 I don't know what happens, but I can get to that place and boom, 348 00:21:21,894 --> 00:21:25,094 just these ideas just start flowing and it's like, it's pretty... 349 00:21:25,564 --> 00:21:27,264 pretty phenomenal when it happens. 350 00:21:29,568 --> 00:21:33,614 Back then, I didn't have a sense of myself. 351 00:21:34,573 --> 00:21:39,578 Songwriting was so important to me, it was my identity, my safety zone. 352 00:21:41,914 --> 00:21:45,292 And so, with "We Got the Beat", I was terrified. 353 00:21:45,459 --> 00:21:48,211 I was thinking, "Man, these girls are going to throw me out of this band," 354 00:21:48,295 --> 00:21:49,630 'cause it was a pop song. 355 00:21:51,632 --> 00:21:54,468 See the people walking down the street 356 00:21:54,635 --> 00:21:56,845 I don't remember her being nervous, I just remember thinking 357 00:21:56,929 --> 00:22:00,141 it was an amazing song. I mean, it's just so obvious. 358 00:22:01,892 --> 00:22:03,561 We all loved it right away. 359 00:22:03,769 --> 00:22:06,230 They got the beat, they got the beat 360 00:22:06,439 --> 00:22:08,190 They got the beat 361 00:22:10,651 --> 00:22:12,951 When she started playing that eighth-note riff, 362 00:22:13,154 --> 00:22:16,554 the pattern that I play on the drums just poured out of me. It was... 363 00:22:16,824 --> 00:22:18,324 I knew it was gonna be like... 364 00:22:21,203 --> 00:22:22,788 I felt like we had arrived. 365 00:22:22,997 --> 00:22:26,083 It was definitely another step up that ladder. 366 00:22:26,876 --> 00:22:29,003 Fortunately, they just loved it. 367 00:22:35,968 --> 00:22:39,263 And I believe that changed the trajectory of the band. 368 00:22:49,273 --> 00:22:52,026 Go-Go music really makes us dance 369 00:22:52,234 --> 00:22:54,277 We were rough sounding when we played live, 370 00:22:54,361 --> 00:22:57,011 but we had these songs that were just coming together. 371 00:22:59,742 --> 00:23:02,953 Just doing those little shows, it was a really cool time. 372 00:23:03,621 --> 00:23:05,790 We were the house band at the Whisky. 373 00:23:07,541 --> 00:23:10,377 So, we would open up for whatever bands would come into town. 374 00:23:10,461 --> 00:23:11,837 Madness came into town 375 00:23:12,004 --> 00:23:14,304 and they were English, you know, we loved that. 376 00:23:15,257 --> 00:23:19,470 All-girl band writing their own tunes? I mean, outrageous! 377 00:23:19,804 --> 00:23:21,263 Yeah, we got it! 378 00:23:23,015 --> 00:23:24,600 We got the beat 379 00:23:24,809 --> 00:23:26,477 Come on, don't be too cool. 380 00:23:26,644 --> 00:23:29,230 They thought we were great and they went back 381 00:23:29,396 --> 00:23:31,607 and spread the word about The Go-Go's. 382 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:35,486 And then The Specials came, and we opened for them. 383 00:23:36,028 --> 00:23:38,155 One of the best things that happened for The Go-Go's 384 00:23:38,239 --> 00:23:39,907 was meeting us, you know? 385 00:23:40,074 --> 00:23:43,452 And I would say one of the best things happened to us 386 00:23:43,619 --> 00:23:44,912 was meeting The Go-Go's. 387 00:23:48,833 --> 00:23:52,503 They were young, they were fresh, they were beautiful. 388 00:23:53,254 --> 00:23:56,382 We are a bunch of misfits, of course, that's why it works! 389 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:59,885 Their manager started talking with Ginger 390 00:23:59,969 --> 00:24:03,681 about how to bring us over to England so we could tour with both bands. 391 00:24:04,682 --> 00:24:06,982 Somebody from The Specials came to me and said, 392 00:24:07,143 --> 00:24:09,478 "We're planning a seaside tour in England. 393 00:24:09,687 --> 00:24:12,857 Do you think your band might be able to get over there?" 394 00:24:13,274 --> 00:24:14,483 And I said, "Yes!" 395 00:24:15,943 --> 00:24:20,072 I did a lot of pawning of jewelry and selling a lot of things 396 00:24:20,281 --> 00:24:22,867 to be able to get the girls over on that trip. 397 00:24:24,368 --> 00:24:28,622 She sold everything. Her car... She put her whole life on sale 398 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:31,333 basically to fund us to get to London. 399 00:24:33,043 --> 00:24:35,296 My dad was in the entertainment industry, 400 00:24:35,504 --> 00:24:38,841 but he was not behind me being in this band. 401 00:24:39,717 --> 00:24:44,972 He said, "Hey, there's an opening at the music library at Paramount." 402 00:24:46,265 --> 00:24:50,269 I remember it was like a really good-paying job, 403 00:24:50,644 --> 00:24:52,897 and I just said to him, I said, "I can't," 404 00:24:53,105 --> 00:24:58,485 because inside of me, I had to leave. I had to do this, I had to do it. 405 00:25:01,071 --> 00:25:05,451 Seen your pictures in the 'zines And you look real good 406 00:25:05,618 --> 00:25:07,995 Pale, blank faces Black and white keen 407 00:25:08,162 --> 00:25:09,997 London boys, cigarette lean 408 00:25:10,206 --> 00:25:12,541 London boys, wish you were here 409 00:25:12,708 --> 00:25:14,835 Because the punk rock scene had started in England, 410 00:25:14,919 --> 00:25:17,169 all the bands that we worshipped were English. 411 00:25:17,254 --> 00:25:22,676 I mean, England was always, for us, ground zero of great rock music. 412 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:24,511 It was like Mecca! 413 00:25:28,057 --> 00:25:29,975 When The Go-Go's come over here, 414 00:25:30,184 --> 00:25:32,811 walking around the city is just really, really bleak. 415 00:25:33,395 --> 00:25:37,107 Shite, absolutely grim, grey. 416 00:25:37,816 --> 00:25:40,194 It wasn't a very nice place to be. 417 00:25:40,361 --> 00:25:43,989 There seemed to be an air of, "Something's about to go off." 418 00:25:44,156 --> 00:25:48,619 We're living in gangster times 419 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080 Don't call me Scarface! 420 00:25:52,081 --> 00:25:55,084 The Specials and Madness were both ska bands, 421 00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:57,002 and they were stars. 422 00:25:58,295 --> 00:26:01,590 We felt like having these opening slots with two bands 423 00:26:01,757 --> 00:26:05,010 that were at the top of their game, and were very, very successful there, 424 00:26:05,094 --> 00:26:07,513 that, I mean, how could we fail? 425 00:26:11,558 --> 00:26:15,771 It was our first time touring in a tour bus and playing every night. 426 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:19,316 The street lights are shining bright 427 00:26:20,567 --> 00:26:23,570 The billboards are shedding their light 428 00:26:25,364 --> 00:26:27,658 My crowd's hanging around 429 00:26:27,866 --> 00:26:32,162 We were being spit at, stuff thrown at us every single night. 430 00:26:33,497 --> 00:26:36,417 Ska music attracted a bunch of the white nationalists, 431 00:26:36,583 --> 00:26:39,211 they called themselves the National Front in England. 432 00:26:39,503 --> 00:26:41,547 And they hated us. 433 00:26:42,631 --> 00:26:44,258 First of all, we were not ska, 434 00:26:44,425 --> 00:26:47,135 So what the hell were we doing opening for these ska bands? 435 00:26:47,219 --> 00:26:49,054 Second of all, we're Americans. 436 00:26:49,305 --> 00:26:52,057 And third of all, maybe worst of all, we were chicks. 437 00:26:56,478 --> 00:26:57,938 No, we don't do that... 438 00:26:59,898 --> 00:27:02,859 You know here are these five little girls from southern California, 439 00:27:02,943 --> 00:27:06,280 get up on stage and play to these scary skinheads. 440 00:27:06,655 --> 00:27:07,990 It was frightening. 441 00:27:08,532 --> 00:27:11,744 One venue, a fella was standing people in a line 442 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:15,831 with a razor, and another fella with a hammer. 443 00:27:17,916 --> 00:27:20,878 The tours were not going at all like we thought 444 00:27:21,045 --> 00:27:22,379 they were going to go. 445 00:27:22,963 --> 00:27:26,113 But at the same time, we were also having the time of our lives. 446 00:27:27,343 --> 00:27:30,471 There was a lot of romances going on between the band members. 447 00:27:30,888 --> 00:27:33,473 But it was good 'cause we all had boyfriends in Madness 448 00:27:33,557 --> 00:27:36,518 or The Specials to console us when we got off stage. 449 00:27:38,228 --> 00:27:39,813 Gina is one... I love her. 450 00:27:40,647 --> 00:27:42,941 "I just didn't know how to come and approach you." 451 00:27:43,025 --> 00:27:44,276 "I should've asked you to marry me, 452 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,860 and you probably would've said no, 453 00:27:45,944 --> 00:27:47,779 "but I'd have felt better that I had asked." You know? 454 00:27:47,863 --> 00:27:50,616 We had such a good laugh. Oh, she's lovely she is. 455 00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:56,080 I met Terry. He was in The Specials. 456 00:27:56,747 --> 00:27:58,832 We were very attracted to each other. 457 00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:01,376 We spent a lot of time together on the tour 458 00:28:01,460 --> 00:28:04,963 and it was kind of sort of a romance, but, I mean, he had a girlfriend, 459 00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:07,924 and supposedly, she was a fiancée and they were going to get married. 460 00:28:08,008 --> 00:28:09,858 And I don't know what I was thinking. 461 00:28:10,844 --> 00:28:13,794 You know, I just thought it was this big, important romance. 462 00:28:18,227 --> 00:28:21,563 Behind the scenes, I was bringing their cassette tapes around. 463 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:24,030 Stiff Records might've been a small label, 464 00:28:24,191 --> 00:28:26,443 but they had a group of dedicated people. 465 00:28:28,028 --> 00:28:31,240 I think Ginger asked us whether we would like to sign them, 466 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:34,201 but I thought an American punk girl band 467 00:28:34,368 --> 00:28:36,787 who are objecting to being spit at... 468 00:28:36,954 --> 00:28:39,998 I don't know that it's going to really work. 469 00:28:40,707 --> 00:28:44,628 But I remember seeing "We've Got the Beat" as a potential single, 470 00:28:44,795 --> 00:28:48,841 which was my talent, to find the door opener. 471 00:28:50,134 --> 00:28:53,971 I tried to publish the song, 'cause I could see that it would do well. 472 00:28:54,138 --> 00:28:59,309 They were really pressuring about the publishing, and I had been told 473 00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,311 that that was something you don't give up. 474 00:29:01,395 --> 00:29:04,940 Ginger, I think, was a bit more knowledgeable 475 00:29:05,107 --> 00:29:07,609 about the idea of, "Hold onto what you've got." 476 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,531 Thank dog she knew an artist needs to keep their publishing, 477 00:29:12,739 --> 00:29:16,452 because, really, it's one of the only ways to make money, 478 00:29:16,618 --> 00:29:19,368 and it's very valuable and it's valuable for a lifetime. 479 00:29:20,247 --> 00:29:22,833 Well, I stuck to my guns and signed this 480 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,211 one-single deal with Stiff Records. 481 00:29:31,341 --> 00:29:34,511 "Friday, June 6th in Bridlington." 482 00:29:35,471 --> 00:29:39,349 "Tonight was okay, the audience were rude, but we played fair." 483 00:29:39,558 --> 00:29:41,560 Bridlington was pretty shitty. 484 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:44,563 "Oh, well, I guess we'll try harder". 485 00:29:47,065 --> 00:29:50,215 We were just determined, like, "We're gonna show those fuckers." 486 00:29:50,569 --> 00:29:51,903 Every night, we'd get on stage 487 00:29:51,987 --> 00:29:55,157 and we would be so belligerent with our playing, 488 00:29:55,491 --> 00:29:58,285 and just being even more of who we were. 489 00:29:59,328 --> 00:30:01,705 And you're the one to blame 490 00:30:01,914 --> 00:30:04,208 I used to know my name 491 00:30:04,416 --> 00:30:07,920 But I've lost control of the game 492 00:30:09,254 --> 00:30:11,757 'Cause even though I set the rules 493 00:30:11,924 --> 00:30:14,510 You've got me acting like a fool 494 00:30:14,676 --> 00:30:17,054 They were really wild, crazy audiences, 495 00:30:17,262 --> 00:30:19,598 but we made fans, as well. 496 00:30:19,806 --> 00:30:21,016 Lust to love 497 00:30:21,225 --> 00:30:23,352 Was the last thing I was dreaming of 498 00:30:23,894 --> 00:30:26,313 And now all I want is just to love 499 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,399 Lust turned to love 500 00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:32,319 They're grew, they proved themselves, 501 00:30:32,486 --> 00:30:34,536 and for The Go-Go's, to pick themselves up 502 00:30:34,696 --> 00:30:37,096 and leave from LA and come to London, you know... 503 00:30:37,199 --> 00:30:39,868 Wow! Respect to them girls, man, you know? 504 00:30:41,411 --> 00:30:44,540 Their musicianship, compared to us, was second to none. 505 00:30:45,415 --> 00:30:46,915 They taught me a thing or two. 506 00:30:49,336 --> 00:30:50,629 Lust to love 507 00:30:50,879 --> 00:30:53,882 There was nothing much that we couldn't handle at that point. 508 00:30:54,466 --> 00:30:55,676 Just to love 509 00:30:55,884 --> 00:30:58,845 Lust turned to love 510 00:30:59,263 --> 00:31:00,722 Lust to love 511 00:31:02,224 --> 00:31:03,892 It was us against the world, 512 00:31:04,268 --> 00:31:07,145 and I think we were ready to take it to the next level. 513 00:31:12,776 --> 00:31:17,114 Our Stiff Records single was the key that unlocked the door. 514 00:31:18,574 --> 00:31:21,493 People were able to buy the single in Los Angeles. 515 00:31:23,328 --> 00:31:27,374 KROQ-AM in Burbank and KROQ-FM in Pasadena, 516 00:31:27,666 --> 00:31:29,585 we're live on the Roqs. 517 00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:32,569 Okay, here's The Go-Go's, "We Got the Beat." 518 00:31:33,046 --> 00:31:34,756 When we did come back it was like... 519 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,540 "The triumphant return of the home girls, The Go-Go's!" 520 00:31:38,802 --> 00:31:41,052 Everyone thought we were huge stars in England 521 00:31:41,179 --> 00:31:43,529 and we were not telling them anything different. 522 00:31:43,932 --> 00:31:46,143 I remember doing our first show 523 00:31:46,393 --> 00:31:48,979 after we got back at the Starwood. 524 00:31:49,438 --> 00:31:52,106 There were kids wrapped around the block to get in to see us. 525 00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:53,984 We were like, "Whoa, what happened?" 526 00:31:54,151 --> 00:31:55,751 And I guess our strategy worked. 527 00:32:05,287 --> 00:32:08,832 I was in the Starwood one night, and The Go-Go's were playing 528 00:32:08,999 --> 00:32:11,209 and they had been in England. 529 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:14,463 Go-Go music really makes us dance 530 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:18,216 It was packed and everyone was going crazy. 531 00:32:19,134 --> 00:32:21,094 That's when they got more of my attention. 532 00:32:21,178 --> 00:32:22,971 I thought, "Okay, they're going places." 533 00:32:23,055 --> 00:32:25,891 'Cause we got the beat, we got the beat 534 00:32:26,099 --> 00:32:28,393 We got the beat 535 00:32:28,602 --> 00:32:30,687 Yeah, we got it 536 00:32:32,397 --> 00:32:33,523 We got the beat 537 00:32:33,732 --> 00:32:36,443 The difference from before that tour and after the tour 538 00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:38,320 was just stunning. 539 00:32:38,487 --> 00:32:39,613 We got the beat 540 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:43,408 I was like, "Oh, my God, this is going to be huge." 541 00:32:43,867 --> 00:32:45,577 - We got the beat - We got the beat 542 00:32:45,744 --> 00:32:46,745 We got the beat 543 00:32:46,953 --> 00:32:48,914 - We got the beat - We got the beat 544 00:32:49,122 --> 00:32:50,916 - We got the beat - We got the beat 545 00:32:51,124 --> 00:32:52,376 We got the beat 546 00:32:55,420 --> 00:32:57,297 People would freak out when we played. 547 00:32:57,381 --> 00:32:58,465 It was great. 548 00:32:58,632 --> 00:33:01,551 I mean, we felt like we were at the top of our game, 549 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,887 and yet we couldn't get anywhere with it. 550 00:33:10,686 --> 00:33:12,686 I had a file folder of rejection letters 551 00:33:12,813 --> 00:33:15,440 from record labels in Los Angeles. 552 00:33:15,607 --> 00:33:19,111 "Thanks, but you know, all-girl bands just don't sell records." 553 00:33:20,112 --> 00:33:23,156 They wouldn't sign us we were told because we were girls, 554 00:33:23,323 --> 00:33:26,034 and there'd been no predecessor that had been that successful. 555 00:33:26,118 --> 00:33:27,418 There'd been The Runaways, 556 00:33:27,536 --> 00:33:31,373 but we put ourselves together, we had no Svengali. 557 00:33:32,165 --> 00:33:33,417 It was ridiculous. 558 00:33:33,917 --> 00:33:36,367 Okay, we were girls, but look at what we're doing. 559 00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:39,631 You know, close your eyes and listen. 560 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,719 I know a cat who can really do the cool jerk 561 00:33:43,927 --> 00:33:46,512 Through the years I've been asked, "Were you feminists?" 562 00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:50,726 We were, I realize it now, because of our attitudes, 563 00:33:50,934 --> 00:33:51,977 but we weren't, 564 00:33:52,227 --> 00:33:55,477 "We're going to do this against the guys and you know, fuck them," 565 00:33:55,689 --> 00:33:57,398 that kind of thing. We weren't like that at all. 566 00:33:57,482 --> 00:33:59,482 When they see me walking down the street 567 00:33:59,568 --> 00:34:01,194 We thought anything was possible, 568 00:34:01,278 --> 00:34:04,906 including succeeding in that industry that was run by men. 569 00:34:05,115 --> 00:34:09,244 They know I'm the queen of the cool jerk 570 00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:11,121 Oh cool jerk 571 00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:13,039 Knowing about being a woman in a band 572 00:34:13,123 --> 00:34:15,876 and how many obstacles they'd had to face... 573 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:20,964 That the response isn't, "I'm going to quit." 574 00:34:21,131 --> 00:34:22,424 Bring it down! 575 00:34:25,218 --> 00:34:28,180 It's, "Thank you, assholes, for telling me I can't do this, 576 00:34:28,346 --> 00:34:31,546 thanks for the inspiration, now watch me get my next hit single." 577 00:34:38,982 --> 00:34:41,026 After we got home from England, 578 00:34:41,777 --> 00:34:44,278 I would move back and forth from my parents' all the time 579 00:34:44,362 --> 00:34:45,812 because I'd run out of money. 580 00:34:47,866 --> 00:34:49,618 Terry stayed in touch. 581 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,120 He would send me letters, and in one letter 582 00:34:52,204 --> 00:34:54,706 he talked about how he dreamed of having his own band. 583 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:57,000 And he sent me a bunch of lyrics. 584 00:34:57,167 --> 00:34:59,669 And he said, "I'm going to write these songs." 585 00:35:01,087 --> 00:35:02,839 Can you hear them? 586 00:35:03,548 --> 00:35:05,675 Talking about us 587 00:35:05,842 --> 00:35:08,762 Telling lies Well, that's no surprise 588 00:35:08,929 --> 00:35:10,514 Can you see them? 589 00:35:10,764 --> 00:35:13,975 I saw the lyrical beginning to "Our Lips Are Sealed." 590 00:35:14,184 --> 00:35:17,729 They have no shield No secrets to reveal 591 00:35:18,021 --> 00:35:21,024 It doesn't matter what they say 592 00:35:21,566 --> 00:35:26,112 In the jealous games people play 593 00:35:27,989 --> 00:35:30,075 Our lips are sealed 594 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:31,951 And even though I'd gotten a little bit lazy 595 00:35:32,035 --> 00:35:34,662 about writing music, because Charlotte was so good at it, 596 00:35:34,746 --> 00:35:37,039 I figured, why should I bother, I'll just do lyrics. 597 00:35:37,123 --> 00:35:39,960 But this time, I actually went back to writing music. 598 00:35:41,127 --> 00:35:44,589 Hush, my darling 599 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:48,301 Don't you cry 600 00:35:48,969 --> 00:35:52,472 Quiet, angel 601 00:35:52,764 --> 00:35:55,016 Forget their lies 602 00:35:55,183 --> 00:35:56,726 I just thought it was such a good song. 603 00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:58,270 I was so in love with it. 604 00:35:58,436 --> 00:36:00,438 I didn't show it to the band for weeks and weeks, 605 00:36:00,522 --> 00:36:02,356 'cause I was so afraid if they didn't like it, 606 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,568 what was I gonna do? I was gonna die. 607 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:08,363 I remember hearing that song for the first time. 608 00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:09,947 I was completely blown away with it. 609 00:36:10,031 --> 00:36:11,283 No secrets to reveal 610 00:36:11,449 --> 00:36:15,287 Because of Jane's not being a trained musician and writer, 611 00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:17,705 the chord progression in that song is so unusual. 612 00:36:17,789 --> 00:36:19,958 ...people play 613 00:36:20,125 --> 00:36:21,459 It really got your attention. 614 00:36:21,543 --> 00:36:23,336 Our lips are sealed 615 00:36:24,504 --> 00:36:27,048 Pay no mind to what they say 616 00:36:27,257 --> 00:36:30,010 We started writing more melodic songs... 617 00:36:31,511 --> 00:36:34,306 and we got this hybrid of pop and punk. 618 00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:37,475 - Hush now darling - Our lips are sealed 619 00:36:37,684 --> 00:36:39,436 Hush now... 620 00:36:42,272 --> 00:36:45,022 It was changing, and some people didn't like the change. 621 00:36:47,277 --> 00:36:50,780 My identity is punk... I was so absorbed in the scene, 622 00:36:50,989 --> 00:36:55,118 it was my life, my lifestyle, my everything. 623 00:36:55,744 --> 00:36:58,204 Oh, yeah, Margot, fuck, man, yeah, she hated it. 624 00:36:58,371 --> 00:37:00,874 She's like, "I don't want to be a fucking pop band! 625 00:37:01,041 --> 00:37:02,584 I'm in a punk band." 626 00:37:03,043 --> 00:37:05,754 And I don't know, I think the rest of us were like... 627 00:37:06,671 --> 00:37:07,881 "This is evolving, 628 00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:11,092 so fucking get with it or get out." I don't know. 629 00:37:11,843 --> 00:37:14,387 You know, it wasn't just the music, 630 00:37:14,596 --> 00:37:19,017 it was the sense of being packaged into a product. 631 00:37:21,102 --> 00:37:24,648 It was just becoming less about art and more about money. 632 00:37:26,191 --> 00:37:29,152 I just felt like, well what the fuck are you doing it for? 633 00:37:29,527 --> 00:37:32,071 To stay with a following of a couple of thousand people? 634 00:37:32,155 --> 00:37:34,407 Or do you want to have people all over this country 635 00:37:34,491 --> 00:37:36,450 know your music and know your songwriting, 636 00:37:36,534 --> 00:37:38,745 know what kind of musician you are? 637 00:37:41,247 --> 00:37:45,377 We had shows over New Year's Eve at the Whisky, 638 00:37:45,752 --> 00:37:48,129 and Margot had gotten really, really sick. 639 00:37:48,338 --> 00:37:50,799 So, we had to scramble around and find someone. 640 00:37:53,218 --> 00:37:56,721 Kathy, I met at the Whisky-a-Go-Go. 641 00:37:57,722 --> 00:37:59,432 I was approached by Charlotte 642 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,811 and asked if I could play bass, and I said yes. 643 00:38:02,978 --> 00:38:04,270 It was a big lie. 644 00:38:04,896 --> 00:38:08,191 I figured, I've been playing guitar five or six years, 645 00:38:08,358 --> 00:38:10,026 why can't I play a bass? 646 00:38:10,735 --> 00:38:12,112 So, I go home. 647 00:38:12,737 --> 00:38:16,116 First thing in the morning, I borrow a bass from somebody. 648 00:38:16,324 --> 00:38:19,411 Charlotte came over. She brought me a little cassette. 649 00:38:19,619 --> 00:38:20,620 She left. 650 00:38:21,997 --> 00:38:24,457 I plugged my bass into my guitar amp. 651 00:38:26,209 --> 00:38:28,169 Feels weird, I use my pick. 652 00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:35,249 I start listening, I can't hear, it's a rehearsal tape. 653 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:36,485 It sounds, you know... 654 00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:40,807 You know, I'm like, "Shit." 655 00:38:44,269 --> 00:38:46,980 First thing I have to do is learn on guitar the chords, 656 00:38:47,147 --> 00:38:48,648 because I can't hear. 657 00:38:51,526 --> 00:38:54,320 Then I started picking up some of the bass parts. 658 00:38:55,196 --> 00:38:56,906 What I could make out I learned, 659 00:38:57,073 --> 00:39:00,076 what I couldn't make out I just made up my own. 660 00:39:04,956 --> 00:39:07,625 I played it over and over. 661 00:39:09,044 --> 00:39:10,587 I'm a perfectionist, you know. 662 00:39:12,672 --> 00:39:15,175 The only way to do it as much as I was doing it 663 00:39:15,383 --> 00:39:18,595 was to get pharmaceutical help. 664 00:39:23,224 --> 00:39:26,227 I basically learned all their songs on a coke binge. 665 00:39:36,029 --> 00:39:38,323 Charlotte came over to see how it was going. 666 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,249 I went to her house. She was kind of like, 667 00:39:41,367 --> 00:39:44,204 in the middle of a three-day bender on coke, 668 00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:46,623 and I'd never met anyone like that. 669 00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:48,416 And I thought, "Wow, my God." 670 00:39:49,834 --> 00:39:52,170 She was a badass musician. 671 00:39:52,587 --> 00:39:56,257 She learned those songs on bass in, like, a couple days, 672 00:39:56,466 --> 00:39:57,675 and she had never played bass. 673 00:39:57,759 --> 00:39:59,260 By the time I'd learned those songs, 674 00:39:59,344 --> 00:40:00,944 I just wanted to be in the band. 675 00:40:01,346 --> 00:40:02,806 In case you haven't noticed, 676 00:40:02,972 --> 00:40:06,059 we have a bass player filling in for Margot, she's sick, 677 00:40:06,267 --> 00:40:07,477 and her name's Kathy. 678 00:40:07,685 --> 00:40:09,687 Kathy Valentine, yeah. 679 00:40:11,606 --> 00:40:15,610 In came Kathy Valentine like a knight in shining armor. 680 00:40:17,987 --> 00:40:21,116 I got to be there with the sold-out shows. 681 00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:26,955 It was everything that I had been looking for since I started playing. 682 00:40:28,748 --> 00:40:30,166 I'm an only child, 683 00:40:30,667 --> 00:40:33,336 and it was just me and my mom when I was raised. 684 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,299 I really liked the idea of a band being a family. 685 00:40:39,759 --> 00:40:42,809 Right away, I just felt like these are going to be my sisters. 686 00:40:43,012 --> 00:40:44,597 Something just felt right, 687 00:40:44,806 --> 00:40:46,933 it just felt like, "We're here." 688 00:40:47,142 --> 00:40:49,727 Last night you slept, you slept in fits 689 00:40:49,978 --> 00:40:51,687 You smashed your windows bit by bit 690 00:40:51,771 --> 00:40:53,690 They wanted me, and I wanted them, 691 00:40:54,149 --> 00:40:56,776 and I guess it's a lot like cheaters, 692 00:40:56,943 --> 00:40:59,612 you know, people having affairs. 693 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,658 I remember Margot being true to herself 694 00:41:03,825 --> 00:41:05,535 and very authentic. 695 00:41:06,286 --> 00:41:08,788 She wanted to remain a punk band but we didn't, 696 00:41:09,038 --> 00:41:11,166 so we just... 697 00:41:11,624 --> 00:41:14,419 decided it was best to carry on without her. 698 00:41:16,296 --> 00:41:18,882 I was told I had to do the firing, because, 699 00:41:19,048 --> 00:41:21,843 "You're the manager, Ginger, you've got to do it." 700 00:41:22,051 --> 00:41:25,763 Because none of them had the guts to do it. 701 00:41:28,558 --> 00:41:31,978 It was a shock to get a phone call from Ginger. 702 00:41:32,687 --> 00:41:36,065 "You're out of the band. The girls didn't want to tell you." 703 00:41:36,524 --> 00:41:40,653 It was a decision that they had made, and that was it. 704 00:41:42,405 --> 00:41:47,994 It was something I'd worked so hard for, and with friends. 705 00:41:48,578 --> 00:41:51,998 People ask me, "How do you deal with such betrayal?" 706 00:41:52,373 --> 00:41:54,626 In our little scene in LA, 707 00:41:54,792 --> 00:41:57,503 there was lots of gossip and lots of people talking about us, 708 00:41:57,587 --> 00:41:58,755 and not in a good way. 709 00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:02,342 We had fired Margot, we had sold out, 710 00:42:02,592 --> 00:42:06,846 we weren't a punk band, we were ambitious. 711 00:42:07,972 --> 00:42:11,100 In the community, it became like a divorce. 712 00:42:11,309 --> 00:42:13,937 Because it was like they were on a rocket to fame 713 00:42:14,103 --> 00:42:16,272 and they decided to fuck Margot over. 714 00:42:16,898 --> 00:42:19,943 I knew I would miss the scene and the community, 715 00:42:20,151 --> 00:42:23,154 but I didn't want to be hanging out where I... 716 00:42:23,738 --> 00:42:27,867 would risk running into them. I didn't want to see them at all. 717 00:42:28,743 --> 00:42:31,955 Pay no mind to what they say 718 00:42:32,622 --> 00:42:36,334 - It doesn't matter anyway - Hey, hey, hey 719 00:42:36,542 --> 00:42:39,003 I didn't think about how that must have felt for her. 720 00:42:39,087 --> 00:42:40,213 Our lips are sealed 721 00:42:40,421 --> 00:42:43,049 There were shows booked for three weeks later, 722 00:42:43,216 --> 00:42:46,177 and I just wanted to make sure I was the one doing them, you know. 723 00:42:46,261 --> 00:42:49,305 Pay no mind to what they say 724 00:42:49,514 --> 00:42:53,601 Kathy Valentine fit right in and was the needed change 725 00:42:53,768 --> 00:42:56,229 to propel the band to their next step. 726 00:42:56,396 --> 00:42:58,106 Our lips are sealed 727 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,151 Our lips are sealed 728 00:43:03,653 --> 00:43:08,116 You have no idea how barren the landscape was in '81. 729 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,703 The idea that women, a host of different women, 730 00:43:11,869 --> 00:43:14,580 would tell their stories in these kinds of songs 731 00:43:14,747 --> 00:43:16,666 and do it the punk way... 732 00:43:18,084 --> 00:43:20,734 Finding their own way in a very difficult environment, 733 00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:22,338 that was unheard of. 734 00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:31,805 There was a whole new generation of music coming up 735 00:43:31,889 --> 00:43:34,809 and the establishment record business 736 00:43:34,976 --> 00:43:36,686 really sort of dismissed them, 737 00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:40,356 and I saw them as a generational change. 738 00:43:40,898 --> 00:43:43,276 Miles Copeland, who managed The Police, 739 00:43:43,484 --> 00:43:45,987 decided to start his own boutique label. 740 00:43:46,154 --> 00:43:47,754 And he called it I.R.S. Records. 741 00:43:48,656 --> 00:43:51,909 Part of what I wanted to do was to find some... 742 00:43:52,118 --> 00:43:53,578 local American bands. 743 00:43:54,704 --> 00:43:56,664 And I'd heard about The Go-Go's. 744 00:43:57,123 --> 00:44:00,126 All girls, punks from LA? 745 00:44:00,585 --> 00:44:02,836 Even if they were crap you'd almost want to sign them, 746 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,970 you know what I mean? 747 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:06,230 But they were good and they had good songs. 748 00:44:07,759 --> 00:44:11,346 We signed on April 1st to I.R.S. Records 749 00:44:11,554 --> 00:44:14,599 and the next day, we flew to New York. 750 00:44:14,766 --> 00:44:17,477 ...if you could and be one of us 751 00:44:17,643 --> 00:44:19,645 We played a couple more gigs. 752 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,030 You know, I was 22 years old in New York City making a record. 753 00:44:29,447 --> 00:44:31,908 Change the lines that were said before 754 00:44:32,075 --> 00:44:33,076 We're all dreamers 755 00:44:33,242 --> 00:44:35,078 With The Go-Go's as a punk band, 756 00:44:35,495 --> 00:44:39,624 they didn't have the experience to know they could do more 757 00:44:39,791 --> 00:44:41,542 than just execute the moment. 758 00:44:43,127 --> 00:44:45,963 That's what I would try to instill in them, 759 00:44:46,297 --> 00:44:48,925 and to say there are grooves, there are feelings. 760 00:44:49,092 --> 00:44:52,053 If your songs are really good, you don't run through them. 761 00:44:53,888 --> 00:44:56,557 Change the lines that were said before 762 00:44:56,849 --> 00:44:59,227 We're all dreamers, we're all whores 763 00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:02,855 Discarded stars like worn-out cars 764 00:45:03,648 --> 00:45:05,650 When Richard Gottehrer got a hold of us, 765 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,500 he said, "Slow everything down." 766 00:45:07,693 --> 00:45:10,905 This town, litter the streets in this town 767 00:45:11,114 --> 00:45:13,324 So, you could actually understand the words 768 00:45:13,491 --> 00:45:16,077 and the melodies were more flowing. 769 00:45:16,244 --> 00:45:18,496 This town is our town 770 00:45:18,663 --> 00:45:20,748 It is so glamorous 771 00:45:20,915 --> 00:45:23,876 That's when I realized, these are all pop songs. 772 00:45:24,043 --> 00:45:26,045 And be one of us 773 00:45:29,424 --> 00:45:33,052 I think actually it was my idea for the face masks and towels, 774 00:45:33,344 --> 00:45:36,013 to sort of be timeless and incognito. 775 00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:38,690 I thought fabulous graphically, 776 00:45:38,808 --> 00:45:41,185 I thought, "Oh, that could be really brilliant." 777 00:45:42,645 --> 00:45:46,524 Once again, we had no money, so, Ginger went to Macy's 778 00:45:46,732 --> 00:45:48,234 and bought all those towels. 779 00:45:48,401 --> 00:45:51,237 She returned those towels to Macy's afterwards. 780 00:45:51,571 --> 00:45:54,156 I couldn't invest in all these brand-new fluffy, white, 781 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,118 expensive towels. We couldn't afford those. 782 00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,495 It is so glamorous 783 00:45:59,704 --> 00:46:03,332 We were like going through adolescence again together. 784 00:46:07,003 --> 00:46:09,297 Being the good middle-class boy growing up, 785 00:46:09,672 --> 00:46:11,674 girls are one way, guys are another way. 786 00:46:11,883 --> 00:46:13,676 Well, I learned it's not like that. 787 00:46:14,635 --> 00:46:16,554 I learned that completely from them. 788 00:46:19,015 --> 00:46:21,642 We'd get done with a session and I'd hear something like, 789 00:46:21,726 --> 00:46:23,268 "Let's go get some booty tonight." 790 00:46:23,352 --> 00:46:25,021 And I'm thinking, "Booty?" 791 00:46:26,898 --> 00:46:29,817 We had a lot of fun, did a lot of drugs, drank a lot, 792 00:46:29,984 --> 00:46:31,360 just like a band does. 793 00:46:32,737 --> 00:46:37,617 Just a bunch of scruffy girls, having the time of our life. 794 00:46:37,909 --> 00:46:39,410 This town 795 00:46:41,454 --> 00:46:46,584 But in the midst of all the bonding and insanity and fun, 796 00:46:47,418 --> 00:46:51,464 I just felt so much distance with Charlotte. 797 00:46:53,925 --> 00:46:57,220 Charlotte tended to isolate herself quite a bit. 798 00:46:57,553 --> 00:47:00,305 So, we had really... She had this whole secret life going on. 799 00:47:00,389 --> 00:47:02,558 We knew it probably wasn't good. 800 00:47:04,018 --> 00:47:06,729 Okay, let me talk about myself. 801 00:47:06,896 --> 00:47:09,357 I was full-blown heroin addict at the time. 802 00:47:09,524 --> 00:47:12,360 So, I would be scoring dope, which is so scary. 803 00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:14,737 Like, I'd go down to Alphabet City. Yikes! 804 00:47:16,489 --> 00:47:18,866 When I moved to New York, I became a squatter 805 00:47:19,075 --> 00:47:21,494 living in what is now the East Village, 806 00:47:21,744 --> 00:47:26,874 and I saw Charlotte walking east to Alphabet City. 807 00:47:28,084 --> 00:47:31,504 The Alphabets is where everyone would go to cop drugs, 808 00:47:31,879 --> 00:47:33,839 so I knew where she was going. 809 00:47:39,887 --> 00:47:43,432 After I graduated from college, I tried heroin for the first time. 810 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,143 "Oh, let me try this. I'll be fine!" 811 00:47:46,352 --> 00:47:49,202 It was like, you know, a little matchstick-head-size of... 812 00:47:49,313 --> 00:47:50,356 That I snorted. 813 00:47:52,108 --> 00:47:54,360 It made me feel really great, and I was like, 814 00:47:54,569 --> 00:47:56,445 "Wow, I like this feeling!" 815 00:47:56,654 --> 00:48:01,075 But I didn't understand at that time, like, it was deadly shit. 816 00:48:01,534 --> 00:48:03,119 Then, I became addicted. 817 00:48:03,452 --> 00:48:07,290 Automatic, time stop 818 00:48:07,498 --> 00:48:09,792 She and I were like, sharing a room together 819 00:48:09,959 --> 00:48:13,462 and she was actively having a heroin addiction, 820 00:48:13,671 --> 00:48:17,383 which I never saw her take heroin, I never saw heroin. 821 00:48:17,592 --> 00:48:20,135 I mean, how did she do that? She was very secretive. 822 00:48:20,219 --> 00:48:22,095 She'd come to rehearsal, I'd say, "Look at her fucking eyes! 823 00:48:22,179 --> 00:48:24,079 Her eyes are pinned, look at her eyes!" 824 00:48:24,724 --> 00:48:27,184 And I went and I knocked on her door. 825 00:48:27,435 --> 00:48:29,687 She answered and she had on her Ray-Bans. 826 00:48:29,895 --> 00:48:32,356 And I said, "They told me that you do heroin." 827 00:48:32,523 --> 00:48:34,525 And she just looked at me, she said, "No, no, no." 828 00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:36,259 And I was like, "Oh, okay, good." 829 00:48:37,236 --> 00:48:39,071 She was way more out of control 830 00:48:39,363 --> 00:48:41,782 than I think any of us really knew about. 831 00:48:44,744 --> 00:48:45,828 You all right? 832 00:48:45,995 --> 00:48:47,704 Yeah, I'm trying to figure something out here. 833 00:48:47,788 --> 00:48:48,831 Okay, go ahead. 834 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,666 Just put yours first, just keep it the same. 835 00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:53,502 Are we both saying it? "Hi, we're Kathy and Charlotte." 836 00:48:53,711 --> 00:48:55,338 - Yeah, let's just do it. - Okay. 837 00:48:55,504 --> 00:48:57,965 Yeah. Okay, we'll give it a try. 838 00:48:58,257 --> 00:49:00,843 Here we go. In three, two... 839 00:49:01,552 --> 00:49:04,472 Hi, we're Kathy and Charlotte of The Go-Go's 840 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,933 and you can watch MTV 24 hours a day 841 00:49:08,142 --> 00:49:10,728 on cable vision in stereo. 842 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,362 Can you hear them? 843 00:49:19,528 --> 00:49:21,280 They talk about us... 844 00:49:21,697 --> 00:49:26,661 The Go-Go's and MTV came up at the perfect time for each other, 845 00:49:26,952 --> 00:49:29,246 because MTV was all about, 846 00:49:29,413 --> 00:49:32,124 "This is what the artists that you love look like." 847 00:49:32,667 --> 00:49:37,004 They came along looking adorable and effervescent and fun. 848 00:49:37,171 --> 00:49:39,048 It just was a match made in heaven. 849 00:49:39,215 --> 00:49:40,466 Hey, hey, hey 850 00:49:42,718 --> 00:49:45,012 Our lips are sealed 851 00:49:45,513 --> 00:49:48,349 Well, it was a cheap music video, actually. 852 00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:52,269 "Our Lips Are Sealed" was done on a 6000-dollar budget, 853 00:49:52,478 --> 00:49:55,731 and that money came from a Police video 854 00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:58,275 that they didn't spend all their money on, 855 00:49:58,442 --> 00:50:01,028 so Miles took the money and let us spend it. 856 00:50:02,697 --> 00:50:04,198 Doesn't matter what they say 857 00:50:04,407 --> 00:50:06,907 We had no idea how important video was going to be, 858 00:50:06,992 --> 00:50:09,245 so we thought, "This is a big waste of time. 859 00:50:09,453 --> 00:50:11,122 Why are we doing this?" 860 00:50:11,288 --> 00:50:12,581 None of us took it seriously. 861 00:50:12,665 --> 00:50:15,751 We wanted to get arrested and have that on tape. 862 00:50:16,627 --> 00:50:18,838 We decided if we jumped in the fountain, 863 00:50:19,004 --> 00:50:21,089 the Beverly Hills cops would come and arrest us 864 00:50:21,173 --> 00:50:23,968 and it would be a really great way to end the video. 865 00:50:24,135 --> 00:50:26,512 So, we're sitting there frolicking in the water, 866 00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,429 frolicking, frolicking, frolicking. 867 00:50:28,556 --> 00:50:31,433 We jumped around in that goddamn fountain for quite a while 868 00:50:31,517 --> 00:50:33,602 and nobody even paid any attention to us. 869 00:50:33,978 --> 00:50:35,521 No one would arrest us. 870 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,275 Next thing you know, MTV is the biggest thing in America 871 00:50:39,483 --> 00:50:42,403 and they're showing The Go-Go's every half hour. 872 00:50:42,611 --> 00:50:44,238 Our lips are sealed 873 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,368 I was saying to Ginger, "Your band is happening." 874 00:50:49,994 --> 00:50:52,163 "If we put you on opening for The Police, 875 00:50:52,621 --> 00:50:57,126 it's going to really open so many more eyes and more ears 876 00:50:57,293 --> 00:50:59,920 that it might really help make the difference." 877 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,133 Miles Copeland, with his vision saying, 878 00:51:04,383 --> 00:51:06,802 "Would you like The Go-Go's to open for The Police?" Why, yes! 879 00:51:06,886 --> 00:51:10,264 It was a coup for us, because they were huge at the time. 880 00:51:10,848 --> 00:51:14,059 We traveled around the world opening for them. 881 00:51:19,356 --> 00:51:22,193 They were the best opening act ever. 882 00:51:22,401 --> 00:51:25,613 The Go-Go's came out, they were so enthusiastic, so up! 883 00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:27,130 Their songs were so bright, 884 00:51:27,323 --> 00:51:29,492 that they just would light up the room. 885 00:51:30,326 --> 00:51:32,661 Walking by 886 00:51:32,912 --> 00:51:37,625 You hold your head so close to hers 887 00:51:37,833 --> 00:51:42,463 I could cry, I could cry 888 00:51:42,713 --> 00:51:44,423 I want to be... 889 00:51:44,632 --> 00:51:47,482 When we toured with The Police, it took us from playing... 890 00:51:47,593 --> 00:51:49,261 clubs to arenas. 891 00:51:50,054 --> 00:51:52,640 When I walked out on stage, I almost died. 892 00:51:55,768 --> 00:51:58,395 How much more can I take 893 00:51:58,604 --> 00:52:01,690 They had the most important ingredient of musicianship, 894 00:52:01,899 --> 00:52:02,942 which is feel. 895 00:52:03,818 --> 00:52:06,445 They established a groove that worked, 896 00:52:06,654 --> 00:52:08,280 that you could lock into. 897 00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:11,242 They just created something that exploded on the stage. 898 00:52:11,492 --> 00:52:14,537 Yeah, crazy, oh, yeah 899 00:52:15,037 --> 00:52:16,205 Yeah! 900 00:52:22,545 --> 00:52:24,338 During that Police tour, 901 00:52:24,672 --> 00:52:27,172 our album kept going up and up and up in the chart. 902 00:52:27,258 --> 00:52:32,638 Their album was like a sky rocket, and that made it really fun for us. 903 00:52:32,805 --> 00:52:35,855 It was like a vicarious thrill, because we were old and jaded, 904 00:52:36,851 --> 00:52:39,311 to see these women, a new band, 905 00:52:39,603 --> 00:52:41,939 experiencing the thrill for the first time, 906 00:52:42,147 --> 00:52:43,732 that lit us up. 907 00:52:44,024 --> 00:52:47,695 We were in Atlanta and Sting came in the dressing room and... 908 00:52:47,862 --> 00:52:49,113 he's got champagne. 909 00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:52,950 "Congratulations, girls." We're looking at him, like, "What?" 910 00:52:53,659 --> 00:52:56,036 He said, "Your record has passed ours." 911 00:52:57,204 --> 00:52:59,754 They were number six and then we went to number one. 912 00:53:02,918 --> 00:53:04,545 They brought us champagne. 913 00:53:04,753 --> 00:53:07,381 It was actually very gentlemanly of them to do that 914 00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:09,884 and not kick us off the tour! 915 00:53:11,176 --> 00:53:13,220 Beauty and the Beat has gone to number one, 916 00:53:13,304 --> 00:53:16,473 and I think we were all kind of over the moon. 917 00:53:17,933 --> 00:53:20,769 This is it, this is everything. 918 00:53:21,437 --> 00:53:25,149 Every step along the way, it just kept getting better. 919 00:53:26,275 --> 00:53:29,570 I wish there was another phrase other than "dream come true," 920 00:53:29,737 --> 00:53:33,908 because it was so beyond that. It was like it fulfilled everything. 921 00:53:34,325 --> 00:53:37,411 This is a circus. I swear. 922 00:53:39,121 --> 00:53:42,499 When you have something that bucks the system and succeeds, 923 00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:44,043 it opens people's eyes. 924 00:53:44,251 --> 00:53:46,962 They did something that no group has ever done before them, 925 00:53:47,046 --> 00:53:49,297 and that is have a number-one album in the United States, 926 00:53:49,381 --> 00:53:50,424 being all girls. 927 00:53:51,342 --> 00:53:54,970 They opened people's eyes to potential for women 928 00:53:55,137 --> 00:53:58,307 to do something that had never really been done before. 929 00:53:59,850 --> 00:54:03,187 For The Go-Go's to have a debut album go to number one, 930 00:54:03,479 --> 00:54:06,273 that's something that only like, 26 other artists have done, 931 00:54:06,357 --> 00:54:10,110 like, you know, the biggies, Elvis, The Beatles. 932 00:54:10,986 --> 00:54:12,112 They made history. 933 00:54:12,279 --> 00:54:15,532 They're the first all-female band, to play their own instruments, 934 00:54:15,699 --> 00:54:19,828 write their own songs, number-one record for six weeks. 935 00:54:20,371 --> 00:54:21,372 Mic drop. 936 00:54:25,334 --> 00:54:28,963 When I went to The Go-Go's concert in 1982, 937 00:54:29,254 --> 00:54:35,427 as a young girl going into a space where women own the stage, 938 00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:40,641 and own it unapologetically like they were born to be there... 939 00:54:41,725 --> 00:54:45,062 To me, it represented a moment of possibility. 940 00:54:45,312 --> 00:54:46,689 Thanks, good night! 941 00:54:51,443 --> 00:54:52,736 Thanks a lot! 942 00:54:53,278 --> 00:54:55,363 These... We're having a high school reunion, you see. 943 00:54:55,447 --> 00:54:57,597 I went to high school with all these people. 944 00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:59,050 Girls run up to us and say, 945 00:54:59,201 --> 00:55:01,453 "Oh, you know, we started a band because of you!" 946 00:55:01,537 --> 00:55:03,246 And that's probably the best feeling in the world, 947 00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:05,624 I mean, it's really great to think that you inspire people 948 00:55:05,708 --> 00:55:07,126 to go out and start a band. 949 00:55:07,334 --> 00:55:10,170 So, this is the dawning of a new era, this is it. 950 00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:15,968 Everybody has a different perspective I'm sure, 951 00:55:16,135 --> 00:55:17,719 on what happened at Saturday Night Live. 952 00:55:17,803 --> 00:55:18,804 Oh, God. 953 00:55:20,556 --> 00:55:22,349 We got there 11:00 in the morning, 954 00:55:22,516 --> 00:55:25,602 and we had to wait until 11:00 at night basically. 955 00:55:25,936 --> 00:55:28,814 I think it was just a case of us 956 00:55:29,565 --> 00:55:32,901 sitting around a TV studio way too long, 957 00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:35,487 and then just starting to dip into the booze. 958 00:55:36,447 --> 00:55:38,657 Let's have a toast, champagne. 959 00:55:38,907 --> 00:55:42,119 And then, oh, it's lunch time, we'll have some wine. 960 00:55:42,911 --> 00:55:46,498 So then, you want to balance it out, you want to lift things up a little, 961 00:55:46,582 --> 00:55:48,959 so magically the blow appears. 962 00:55:49,668 --> 00:55:51,211 Right before we went on, they said, 963 00:55:51,295 --> 00:55:54,547 "Remember, girls, you're playing in front of 50 million people live." 964 00:55:54,631 --> 00:55:55,831 And we were just like... 965 00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:58,469 Yeah, we got it 966 00:55:58,677 --> 00:56:00,679 We were like cross-eyed drunk. 967 00:56:03,974 --> 00:56:08,395 The funny thing is, the next day, we sold a ton of records. 968 00:56:09,354 --> 00:56:12,274 Even buzzing, messed-up Go-Go's 969 00:56:12,441 --> 00:56:14,359 being beamed into people's living rooms, 970 00:56:14,443 --> 00:56:17,843 it' still something that people are just going, "Whoa, we like this." 971 00:56:20,449 --> 00:56:23,535 Well, now that we've had a little bit of success and stuff 972 00:56:23,702 --> 00:56:27,081 and now we know how wonderful it can be, we want more. 973 00:56:28,916 --> 00:56:31,919 The Rolling Stone cover was supposed to be a comment 974 00:56:32,086 --> 00:56:34,129 on sexism, and obviously it backfired, 975 00:56:34,379 --> 00:56:37,007 because if we had really been trying to be sexy 976 00:56:37,174 --> 00:56:38,926 and push our wares as women, 977 00:56:39,176 --> 00:56:41,428 you know, we would have worn sexy underwear instead of, 978 00:56:41,512 --> 00:56:43,764 you know, Hanes and Fruit of the Loom. 979 00:56:43,972 --> 00:56:46,975 It's so tame, but when it came out, it did not help 980 00:56:47,184 --> 00:56:49,186 that Rolling Stone chose the headline: 981 00:56:49,394 --> 00:56:50,896 "The Go-Go's Put Out." 982 00:56:52,106 --> 00:56:55,818 "Ginger, you've gotta call Rolling Stone. We're not happy. 983 00:56:56,026 --> 00:56:57,819 We don't like that they used these pictures 984 00:56:57,903 --> 00:56:59,905 on the front of the magazine." 985 00:57:00,447 --> 00:57:03,492 So, I phoned Rolling Stone and asked for Jann, the publisher. 986 00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:07,121 "I said," Jann, some of the girls are very upset about the image 987 00:57:07,329 --> 00:57:09,248 used on the front of the magazine." 988 00:57:09,706 --> 00:57:12,626 And there was a brief pause and Jann said, 989 00:57:13,043 --> 00:57:15,628 "I thought you were calling me to thank me for the cover. 990 00:57:15,712 --> 00:57:17,631 You girls need to grow up." Clunk! 991 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,467 Maybe that's why we're not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, 992 00:57:20,551 --> 00:57:22,803 those ungrateful wenches! 993 00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:26,765 Our success was so quick... 994 00:57:28,934 --> 00:57:31,603 and I always felt like a little bit of an impostor 995 00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:34,439 when it came to success, like it was undeserved. 996 00:57:34,606 --> 00:57:36,274 We asked them why they are succeeding 997 00:57:36,358 --> 00:57:37,901 where other girl groups have failed. 998 00:57:37,985 --> 00:57:40,236 The majority of the reason must be because of the songs, 999 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,905 because if people don't like your songs 1000 00:57:41,989 --> 00:57:44,157 they're not gonna wanna come see you live or buy your records. 1001 00:57:44,241 --> 00:57:46,326 Doesn't matter whether you're a girl or whatever you are. 1002 00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:48,120 I think that timing and luck. 1003 00:57:48,871 --> 00:57:50,789 There is an element of that. 1004 00:57:50,956 --> 00:57:53,750 I think, luckily for us, there are now five... 1005 00:57:55,043 --> 00:57:59,631 women all in one band who all have fear of failure. 1006 00:58:00,424 --> 00:58:01,425 Really. 1007 00:58:03,343 --> 00:58:06,763 I think everybody, not just the band, probably the record company was... 1008 00:58:06,847 --> 00:58:08,848 scrambling around to figure out what to do next 1009 00:58:08,932 --> 00:58:10,632 on the back of such a big success. 1010 00:58:10,726 --> 00:58:13,269 Putting out a second album made sense to the record industry, 1011 00:58:13,353 --> 00:58:17,107 because they want to make more records and make more money. 1012 00:58:17,274 --> 00:58:20,124 And they're going to milk it for everything that they can. 1013 00:58:20,694 --> 00:58:22,613 But at a price. 1014 00:58:22,946 --> 00:58:24,781 Do you have any time to write songs now 1015 00:58:24,865 --> 00:58:26,665 with all the traveling you're doing? 1016 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,494 We've come to... Right now, we're starting... 1017 00:58:29,745 --> 00:58:32,163 This next month, we're going to work on new stuff. 1018 00:58:32,247 --> 00:58:33,797 What are you gonna write about? 1019 00:58:34,333 --> 00:58:38,003 Well, I can't really say what we're gonna write about, I don't know. 1020 00:58:39,171 --> 00:58:43,133 Vacation, as a record, we were so rushed, 1021 00:58:43,342 --> 00:58:46,470 that the songwriting reflects that. 1022 00:58:47,095 --> 00:58:49,681 But I felt like, "Oh, my God, I wrote a hit song" 1023 00:58:49,848 --> 00:58:52,309 and now what do I do," you know? It's like... 1024 00:58:52,893 --> 00:58:54,770 It messes with your head. 1025 00:58:54,978 --> 00:58:58,357 And, you know, you always hear about the sophomore jinx. 1026 00:59:01,735 --> 00:59:05,072 I was freaking out, because we were scrambling for material, 1027 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,157 and then luckily, we got "Vacation". 1028 00:59:07,324 --> 00:59:09,374 Kathy wrote "Vacation" and was playing it 1029 00:59:09,493 --> 00:59:12,829 in her previous band to The Go-Go's, The Textones. 1030 00:59:15,666 --> 00:59:20,212 I've thought a lot of things about you 1031 00:59:20,629 --> 00:59:24,841 I've stayed awake just thinking 'bout you 1032 00:59:25,008 --> 00:59:27,844 I showed it to Charlotte, she said, "I really like this song, 1033 00:59:27,928 --> 00:59:30,555 I think, you know, it needs more of a chorus." 1034 00:59:30,764 --> 00:59:34,726 Tomorrow's a day of mine that you won't be in 1035 00:59:34,935 --> 00:59:36,520 I really felt like... 1036 00:59:36,895 --> 00:59:38,939 the original version kind of went down, 1037 00:59:39,106 --> 00:59:41,006 and this, it just should have gone up. 1038 00:59:41,483 --> 00:59:43,902 Vacation, all I ever wanted 1039 00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:46,780 A vacation, had to get away 1040 00:59:46,989 --> 00:59:49,533 If we hadn't had that song on the record, 1041 00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,076 it would have been a very different outcome for us. 1042 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,495 That probably would've ended everything right there, 1043 00:59:54,579 --> 00:59:56,331 'cause that song was really cool. 1044 00:59:56,498 --> 00:59:58,166 Had to get away 1045 00:59:58,333 --> 01:00:01,420 Vacation, meant to be spent alone 1046 01:00:01,753 --> 01:00:04,631 Who knew that the girls were such able water skiers? 1047 01:00:05,632 --> 01:00:07,217 At the video shoot, 1048 01:00:07,801 --> 01:00:11,430 they started wandering off wearing their little water ski tutus 1049 01:00:11,596 --> 01:00:13,974 and started walking up La Brea Avenue. 1050 01:00:14,224 --> 01:00:16,977 I followed them and started snapping away. 1051 01:00:17,894 --> 01:00:20,063 They just looked like four ballerinas 1052 01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:23,108 between takes on a movie set or something. 1053 01:00:26,653 --> 01:00:30,907 "Vacation" soon hit the radio waves and did really, really well... 1054 01:00:31,408 --> 01:00:33,160 and got lots of play. 1055 01:00:33,368 --> 01:00:36,580 But it stalled in the charts. 1056 01:00:36,913 --> 01:00:38,582 Are you still getting along? 1057 01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:42,669 Yeah, we're getting along really good... 1058 01:00:42,836 --> 01:00:44,879 - Surprisingly, yeah - ...as a matter of fact. 1059 01:00:44,963 --> 01:00:48,132 But this is the beginning of tour, we'll see how it is the last week. 1060 01:00:48,216 --> 01:00:51,516 No, we'll get along, we always have got along pretty good, I'd say. 1061 01:00:52,888 --> 01:00:54,348 Show time! 1062 01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:58,352 It's everything but party time 1063 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,397 It's everything but party time... 1064 01:01:02,939 --> 01:01:05,108 I mean, this was like a fucking treadmill. 1065 01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:08,904 They were pushing us constantly. We were on tour constantly. 1066 01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:13,200 You would be absolutely exhausted 1067 01:01:13,367 --> 01:01:16,912 and arrive from some long transatlantic flight, 1068 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,999 and the promoter for an upcoming show was reaching out to you 1069 01:01:21,166 --> 01:01:22,292 in panic saying, 1070 01:01:22,459 --> 01:01:24,836 "We need the girls to do this, this, this and this." 1071 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,421 This has been an incredible year. 1072 01:01:26,505 --> 01:01:28,757 The success, how's it affected your life 1073 01:01:28,924 --> 01:01:30,474 at this stage of the ball game? 1074 01:01:30,592 --> 01:01:33,178 We're aware of how well we're doing but we don't... 1075 01:01:33,637 --> 01:01:35,687 - feel it, yeah, not yet. - Feel it, yeah. 1076 01:01:35,806 --> 01:01:38,141 Just too much overload on the brain right now. 1077 01:01:40,268 --> 01:01:43,772 My life has been planned out for me for the next two years. 1078 01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:47,484 I can tell you my schedule until September of next year practically. 1079 01:01:51,113 --> 01:01:54,324 When you go from nowhere to number one, things change. 1080 01:01:54,991 --> 01:01:56,368 It's inevitable. 1081 01:01:57,953 --> 01:02:00,503 The old joke is, you know, when you're a new manager 1082 01:02:00,622 --> 01:02:02,123 and you knew what you were doing, 1083 01:02:02,207 --> 01:02:04,960 you're signing a new band, you know, you're God. 1084 01:02:05,335 --> 01:02:07,712 The day they're number one, you're the janitor. 1085 01:02:07,921 --> 01:02:10,424 Can't seem to get my mind off of you 1086 01:02:10,632 --> 01:02:12,832 What's the worst thing about being a manager? 1087 01:02:15,887 --> 01:02:17,681 When they don't want you anymore. 1088 01:02:20,267 --> 01:02:24,855 I think the band just got too big for her to handle. 1089 01:02:26,022 --> 01:02:28,066 We wanted to make the most 1090 01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:30,694 of the time that we had in the spotlight. 1091 01:02:30,902 --> 01:02:33,738 We wanted to make money and continue to be successful, 1092 01:02:33,947 --> 01:02:35,397 and we felt like we needed... 1093 01:02:37,451 --> 01:02:40,412 a more experienced person at the helm. 1094 01:02:40,912 --> 01:02:45,125 It was surprising how quickly people came out of the woodwork, 1095 01:02:45,333 --> 01:02:48,378 other managers saying how they could do so much better 1096 01:02:48,545 --> 01:02:51,506 if they had a big management team behind them. 1097 01:02:53,467 --> 01:02:56,178 I'm pretty sure that she knew we wanted her to work 1098 01:02:56,344 --> 01:03:00,974 with a bigger manager that had a firm instead of, like, one person. 1099 01:03:01,183 --> 01:03:03,351 I'm getting kind of choked up, my throat. 1100 01:03:03,810 --> 01:03:07,981 It's like... No, no, it's just that it's emotional for me, 1101 01:03:08,148 --> 01:03:10,817 because going back to that time, it was difficult, 1102 01:03:11,318 --> 01:03:13,528 remembering it, and how I felt. 1103 01:03:15,822 --> 01:03:19,326 It was very painful. My band was taken away from me. 1104 01:03:19,576 --> 01:03:22,579 I remember sitting in on meetings and feeling... 1105 01:03:22,954 --> 01:03:26,583 incredibly little as the girls sat on the edge of their seat 1106 01:03:26,875 --> 01:03:30,504 looking enthralled by these new managers, all men, 1107 01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:33,507 not that that mattered, but just like a new power base, 1108 01:03:33,673 --> 01:03:35,425 like this was going to be great, 1109 01:03:35,592 --> 01:03:38,553 that this was going to be, like, change everything. 1110 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,431 It was horrible having them say with the band there, 1111 01:03:41,598 --> 01:03:44,726 "Well, Ginger, we know you know how to take a band from A to B, 1112 01:03:44,893 --> 01:03:48,688 and you do a great job. We can take that band from B to Z." 1113 01:03:48,855 --> 01:03:53,735 We felt like it was going to help us go to another level. 1114 01:03:54,027 --> 01:03:55,570 People that set all of it in motion, 1115 01:03:55,654 --> 01:03:57,488 they knew that my days would be numbered, 1116 01:03:57,572 --> 01:03:59,324 that anyone with any integrity, 1117 01:03:59,491 --> 01:04:02,744 you're not going to stick around. Why would you? 1118 01:04:02,911 --> 01:04:05,872 I guess we hurt her. Must have hurt her pretty badly, 1119 01:04:07,082 --> 01:04:09,668 because she just... One day, she was gone. 1120 01:04:10,085 --> 01:04:12,921 It was no "fuck you" or nothing, it was just gone. 1121 01:04:13,255 --> 01:04:14,714 How angry were you? 1122 01:04:15,882 --> 01:04:17,717 Angry enough to move to New York? 1123 01:04:20,345 --> 01:04:22,055 She was like the sixth Go-Go. 1124 01:04:23,098 --> 01:04:28,186 When she left, it really turned into a big business. 1125 01:04:28,395 --> 01:04:30,104 It wasn't even that much fun anymore. 1126 01:04:30,188 --> 01:04:34,359 We just... That's all we knew how to do, was be a Go-Go. 1127 01:04:36,611 --> 01:04:38,947 Gina was in our new manager's office, 1128 01:04:39,114 --> 01:04:41,365 supposedly a more professional management company 1129 01:04:41,449 --> 01:04:44,399 who turned out to suck, we should've just stuck with Ginger. 1130 01:04:45,245 --> 01:04:48,999 But, I guess Gina saw a check that Charlotte got 1131 01:04:49,165 --> 01:04:51,501 and it was for, like, a gazillion dollars. 1132 01:04:51,668 --> 01:04:54,462 And of course, Gina wasn't getting a check like that. 1133 01:04:54,629 --> 01:04:56,256 I almost fell over. 1134 01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,760 He said, "See how much she makes? That's 'cause she's a songwriter." 1135 01:05:02,762 --> 01:05:04,805 There are two ways you make money out of a record. 1136 01:05:04,889 --> 01:05:07,239 You make it in the recording and the publishing. 1137 01:05:07,851 --> 01:05:09,393 The person who writes the songs, 1138 01:05:09,477 --> 01:05:11,563 which is really the vehicle that you need 1139 01:05:13,607 --> 01:05:16,901 is going to make more money. And that can cause problems. 1140 01:05:17,152 --> 01:05:18,736 You write a lot of the songs, right? 1141 01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:20,071 - Yeah. - With Charlotte? 1142 01:05:20,238 --> 01:05:24,409 Charlotte writing "We Got the Beat" all by herself, that song was huge. 1143 01:05:24,618 --> 01:05:27,245 It's like everyone wanted it for commercials and movies 1144 01:05:27,329 --> 01:05:30,624 and TV shows, and I mean, that's like cha-ching, cha-ching. 1145 01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:33,835 Songwriting was so important to me, it was my identity. 1146 01:05:34,002 --> 01:05:36,880 That's why I held so close, so dear to me and I didn't... 1147 01:05:37,047 --> 01:05:39,591 You know, you can't take any part of this. 1148 01:05:39,758 --> 01:05:42,802 This is mine, you know, this is who I am. 1149 01:05:43,011 --> 01:05:45,513 I will still stand behind the belief that songwriting 1150 01:05:45,597 --> 01:05:48,297 is a really specific skill that many people don't have, 1151 01:05:48,391 --> 01:05:51,591 and it's a lot of extra hard work that other people aren't doing. 1152 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,276 I'd made more money than I'd ever imagined in my lifetime. 1153 01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,530 But I knew there was going to be an issue in the discrepancy 1154 01:06:02,697 --> 01:06:05,450 between the highest earner, who was Charlotte, 1155 01:06:05,617 --> 01:06:08,286 and the lowest earner, who was Gina... 1156 01:06:09,037 --> 01:06:11,330 and Belinda. I knew there was gonna be a problem. 1157 01:06:11,414 --> 01:06:13,914 Most people think that we're really rich right now, 1158 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,172 but... I don't... I know that we're not rich right now! 1159 01:06:19,798 --> 01:06:22,092 I was too busy having a lot of fun, 1160 01:06:22,258 --> 01:06:25,512 and I just let the others write the songs. 1161 01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:29,766 Gina would say to me, "This is not fair," and, you know... 1162 01:06:30,684 --> 01:06:33,436 And I would say, "I know it's not fair, but..." 1163 01:06:34,145 --> 01:06:37,440 I felt like, inside, I really had no right to say anything, 1164 01:06:37,607 --> 01:06:39,651 because I was such a fuck-up. 1165 01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:45,198 What scared me was an unhappy lead singer, 1166 01:06:45,365 --> 01:06:48,201 who pretty much made the band into contenders, 1167 01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:50,995 feeling cheated and unappreciated. 1168 01:06:52,872 --> 01:06:57,544 It set up a vibe where I started feeling very concerned 1169 01:06:57,711 --> 01:06:58,962 about our future. 1170 01:07:01,047 --> 01:07:03,383 And it's like, are you fucking kidding me? 1171 01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:06,845 Now, we're already having this be a problem? 1172 01:07:07,971 --> 01:07:11,975 The fighting and the real drugs happen when we all get money, 1173 01:07:12,809 --> 01:07:13,810 you know? 1174 01:07:14,477 --> 01:07:16,396 It wrecks everything. 1175 01:07:18,314 --> 01:07:23,153 Walking around it's clear that I'm worlds away 1176 01:07:23,361 --> 01:07:26,030 Charlotte was isolating quite a bit. 1177 01:07:26,448 --> 01:07:28,074 I spend a lot of time here. 1178 01:07:28,450 --> 01:07:32,662 I don't go out that often, because I like it here a lot in my house. 1179 01:07:33,747 --> 01:07:36,833 I bought a house up in the hills and I was by myself. 1180 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,585 It was a bad situation. 1181 01:07:39,461 --> 01:07:41,337 I was suffering, 1182 01:07:41,921 --> 01:07:44,466 and I didn't know who to talk to or what to do. 1183 01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:47,260 No, we're just like sisters 1184 01:07:47,469 --> 01:07:50,472 and we're all looking out for, you know, 1185 01:07:50,847 --> 01:07:55,018 each other all the time, and we all love each other very much. 1186 01:07:56,561 --> 01:07:59,689 We didn't communicate, and then when we did communicate 1187 01:07:59,856 --> 01:08:03,193 we didn't do it in a loving, sort of respectful way. 1188 01:08:03,693 --> 01:08:07,113 By 1984, things were getting pretty frazzled with us. 1189 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,617 We'd still really never had been given enough time 1190 01:08:10,784 --> 01:08:14,370 to write or recuperate or anything. So, it was very tense. 1191 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,625 Being in a band, you become each other's best friends 1192 01:08:18,792 --> 01:08:20,794 and also each other's worst enemies. 1193 01:08:21,878 --> 01:08:26,382 It became a difficult place to be, because I always wanted 1194 01:08:26,549 --> 01:08:28,009 to put out fires. 1195 01:08:28,843 --> 01:08:32,430 Somebody's not happy, you know, fix this, fix, fix, fix, 1196 01:08:32,639 --> 01:08:34,599 you know, and have fun. 1197 01:08:35,433 --> 01:08:38,102 No matter how miserable everyone is, have fun. 1198 01:08:45,777 --> 01:08:49,948 This is when we first got to England, making the third record. 1199 01:08:50,365 --> 01:08:52,867 And this was the clown family. 1200 01:08:53,326 --> 01:08:55,829 We had something called the clown family 1201 01:08:56,037 --> 01:08:58,957 where everybody posed the same way and put on a clown nose. 1202 01:09:00,208 --> 01:09:03,169 This is the clown family watching TV. 1203 01:09:07,006 --> 01:09:09,968 And here's the clown family doing some blow. 1204 01:09:11,010 --> 01:09:12,679 Upon arrival in London. 1205 01:09:19,185 --> 01:09:22,981 The ultimate is the clown family giving birth to another clown. 1206 01:09:23,398 --> 01:09:26,234 Except Jane was the other clown! 1207 01:09:26,401 --> 01:09:28,903 Every single person birthed Jane. 1208 01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:33,658 Like an old movie backdrop 1209 01:09:35,201 --> 01:09:38,079 The radio's blasting 1210 01:09:38,663 --> 01:09:40,707 We still managed to have a lot of fun, 1211 01:09:41,124 --> 01:09:43,918 despite what might have been going on. 1212 01:09:44,335 --> 01:09:48,673 She says "I just wanted to make you" 1213 01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:53,136 "I never meant to break you" 1214 01:09:53,344 --> 01:09:56,973 He says "Have some mercy on me" 1215 01:09:59,559 --> 01:10:04,981 "Do you have to be such a mercenary?" 1216 01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:12,906 I went into the studio when they were recording the third album. 1217 01:10:13,197 --> 01:10:16,033 There was a famous scene of one of the members vomiting on me, 1218 01:10:16,117 --> 01:10:19,203 you know, she'd had too much to drink. I won't mention who, 1219 01:10:19,495 --> 01:10:22,624 but I was covered in vomit in the studio. 1220 01:10:23,041 --> 01:10:24,667 So, I knew stuff was going on. 1221 01:10:24,876 --> 01:10:26,628 Good evening, I'm Charlotte. 1222 01:10:26,961 --> 01:10:29,631 - Good evening, I'm Gina. - Good evening, I'm Jane. 1223 01:10:29,839 --> 01:10:31,799 - I'm Kathy. - Good evening, I'm Belinda, 1224 01:10:31,883 --> 01:10:34,552 - I'm The Go-Go's. - No, I'm The Go-Go's. 1225 01:10:34,761 --> 01:10:37,263 - I'm The Go-Go's. - No, we're all The Go-Go's. 1226 01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:38,514 Well, anyway... 1227 01:10:38,806 --> 01:10:42,310 We'd started writing songs for the third record, 1228 01:10:42,518 --> 01:10:45,772 but Charlotte hit a bit of a writing block. 1229 01:10:46,856 --> 01:10:50,485 It got harder to write, actually. It prevented me. 1230 01:10:50,693 --> 01:10:53,738 I was really writing a lot, because Charlotte was... 1231 01:10:54,322 --> 01:10:56,240 in a lot of trouble with the drugs. 1232 01:10:56,449 --> 01:11:00,119 When it goes dark, forget the night 1233 01:11:01,788 --> 01:11:05,041 There are people that really loved that album, 1234 01:11:05,249 --> 01:11:07,835 but I can't even listen to it because to me, 1235 01:11:08,419 --> 01:11:11,881 I was so miserable during that time, oh, my God. 1236 01:11:12,507 --> 01:11:14,801 When it goes dark 1237 01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:17,679 Get me to bed 1238 01:11:17,845 --> 01:11:19,389 On that trip, 1239 01:11:19,806 --> 01:11:22,183 there was an implosion. Jane got really upset. 1240 01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:24,394 Wait for the light of day 1241 01:11:25,144 --> 01:11:27,438 I think she felt frustrated, probably, with me 1242 01:11:27,689 --> 01:11:29,639 and with wanting to have a bigger role. 1243 01:11:29,816 --> 01:11:32,860 I'm the only one you run to The one you come to 1244 01:11:33,111 --> 01:11:35,071 The only one you can get to 1245 01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:37,699 I'm the only one for you 1246 01:11:37,907 --> 01:11:40,535 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1247 01:11:40,743 --> 01:11:43,371 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1248 01:11:43,579 --> 01:11:46,082 - I'm the only one - Only one for you 1249 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:48,251 I'm the only one 1250 01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:51,379 When we were recording the album, I had decided 1251 01:11:51,587 --> 01:11:53,505 that I wanted to sing one song on the record, 1252 01:11:53,589 --> 01:11:55,257 and there was one song that I'd written 1253 01:11:55,341 --> 01:11:58,010 that was super personal to me called "Forget That Day". 1254 01:11:58,094 --> 01:12:00,304 Then, I went to each girl and was like, 1255 01:12:00,513 --> 01:12:02,306 "Please, can I sing this one song?" 1256 01:12:02,515 --> 01:12:04,684 I remember that day 1257 01:12:06,019 --> 01:12:08,354 Wind pushing birds around 1258 01:12:08,771 --> 01:12:10,189 And she came to us... 1259 01:12:11,566 --> 01:12:13,192 and we just said, "No." 1260 01:12:13,443 --> 01:12:16,654 Belinda was the lead singer, it just felt weird. 1261 01:12:16,863 --> 01:12:19,907 We decided that that wasn't the way to go, 1262 01:12:20,074 --> 01:12:22,785 that we wanted to keep everybody had their role within the band, 1263 01:12:22,869 --> 01:12:24,620 and that was the way it was going to be. 1264 01:12:24,704 --> 01:12:27,504 I don't really like to talk about that, because it wasn't 1265 01:12:27,665 --> 01:12:30,960 like a unanimous thing in this band. 1266 01:12:31,544 --> 01:12:32,587 One of them said, 1267 01:12:32,754 --> 01:12:35,381 "What makes you think you're good enough to sing a song?" 1268 01:12:35,465 --> 01:12:38,134 Which is something I'll never forget hearing. 1269 01:12:38,843 --> 01:12:40,386 It was a huge betrayal, 1270 01:12:40,553 --> 01:12:42,930 and I did not know how to get past it. 1271 01:12:43,139 --> 01:12:44,557 I lost my heart 1272 01:12:44,766 --> 01:12:47,852 But I just said I hate heights 1273 01:12:48,061 --> 01:12:50,563 It never occurred to any of us... 1274 01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:54,317 that we have to sit down, and how can we make this work? 1275 01:12:55,526 --> 01:12:58,237 But, no, nothing could change, nobody could grow. 1276 01:12:58,404 --> 01:12:59,822 And I was part of it, too. 1277 01:12:59,989 --> 01:13:02,366 I left to get some work done 1278 01:13:02,575 --> 01:13:07,663 We made Belinda feel guilty for being a star and a diva. 1279 01:13:11,084 --> 01:13:15,171 We made Jane feel like what she wanted and needed 1280 01:13:15,630 --> 01:13:18,780 was not important enough for us to even sit down and talk about. 1281 01:13:20,051 --> 01:13:23,346 We made Gina feel like what she contributed wasn't enough. 1282 01:13:23,513 --> 01:13:25,598 You don't deserve to make as much. 1283 01:13:25,765 --> 01:13:28,142 Why'd you say you love me 1284 01:13:28,476 --> 01:13:31,562 And we couldn't see the pain 1285 01:13:31,854 --> 01:13:34,565 that Charlotte was walking around in. 1286 01:13:34,774 --> 01:13:37,026 Try to forget that day 1287 01:13:44,826 --> 01:13:49,455 I was always an optimist hoping that we would keep things together. 1288 01:13:49,997 --> 01:13:52,750 And I don't know that they recognized then, 1289 01:13:53,501 --> 01:13:56,671 and after the third album, what they really had together. 1290 01:13:58,297 --> 01:14:01,175 Head over heels Where should I go 1291 01:14:01,384 --> 01:14:05,721 "Head Over Heels", we made a video, it got released as a single. 1292 01:14:06,806 --> 01:14:08,599 The tour machine's picking up. 1293 01:14:08,891 --> 01:14:10,810 ...out of sync 1294 01:14:15,314 --> 01:14:17,814 We were getting ready to tour for the third record. 1295 01:14:18,025 --> 01:14:20,277 We were at rehearsal and a call came in, it was like, 1296 01:14:20,361 --> 01:14:22,362 "Gina, your doctor's on the phone." I was like... 1297 01:14:22,446 --> 01:14:24,574 We all sort of stopped, like, what is this? 1298 01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:27,701 Gina had always been like coming off stage, "I can't breathe," 1299 01:14:27,785 --> 01:14:30,537 and we'd be like, "Oh, my God, she's such a drama queen," 1300 01:14:30,621 --> 01:14:34,375 like, no, absolutely like no sympathy whatsoever for her. 1301 01:14:34,584 --> 01:14:36,002 Now what? Because... 1302 01:14:36,669 --> 01:14:40,631 she has been seeing this doctor and that doctor and we're just like, 1303 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:41,841 "Oh, come on." 1304 01:14:42,049 --> 01:14:43,842 But as it turns out, she couldn't breathe 1305 01:14:43,926 --> 01:14:45,636 because she had a hole in her heart and like, 1306 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,472 she wasn't getting enough oxygen. Yeah, so our bad. 1307 01:14:48,639 --> 01:14:50,808 Gina was diagnosed with a hole in her heart. 1308 01:14:51,017 --> 01:14:53,936 - She was going to have surgery. - Heart surgery, what the fuck? 1309 01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:57,815 It was a little scary, but we dealt with it with a lot of, like, humor. 1310 01:14:58,024 --> 01:15:03,070 Our humor was, you know, always gallows-dark. 1311 01:15:03,321 --> 01:15:06,657 So, we decided to have this final lost weekend 1312 01:15:06,824 --> 01:15:09,619 in Palm Springs together just in case Gina croaked. 1313 01:15:09,827 --> 01:15:11,996 They were taking me out on my last hurrah. 1314 01:15:15,166 --> 01:15:18,753 We rented, I think, a convertible Jag and a convertible Cadillac. 1315 01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:21,970 Let's buy a bunch of drugs and go out to the desert. 1316 01:15:23,507 --> 01:15:25,509 We had just like a shit ton of drugs, 1317 01:15:25,885 --> 01:15:29,347 and we're driving into Palm Springs going 100 miles an hour. 1318 01:15:33,434 --> 01:15:38,356 It was a total weekend of debauchery and drugs and drinking. 1319 01:15:39,982 --> 01:15:41,525 Sex 1320 01:15:42,818 --> 01:15:44,278 Fun 1321 01:15:45,571 --> 01:15:48,824 And we had a special rule that Gina was not allowed to do cocaine, 1322 01:15:49,033 --> 01:15:51,577 she can only do booze, Valium and mushrooms, 1323 01:15:51,786 --> 01:15:53,579 so you know, we were keeping her safe! 1324 01:15:53,663 --> 01:15:56,163 Because they didn't want me to have a heart attack. 1325 01:16:09,345 --> 01:16:12,014 It did bring the band together temporarily. 1326 01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:17,520 It's funny how you can feel so isolated from people in the band, 1327 01:16:17,687 --> 01:16:21,232 and then in a minute, in a second, you're family again. 1328 01:16:22,692 --> 01:16:25,361 We were really at odds, and when I had that surgery 1329 01:16:25,528 --> 01:16:28,489 everybody sort of came together for a while there. 1330 01:16:29,448 --> 01:16:30,908 We've gotten a lot of calls and letters 1331 01:16:30,992 --> 01:16:32,618 and your fans are real concerned. 1332 01:16:32,702 --> 01:16:34,953 If you could just give us an update on your health? 1333 01:16:35,037 --> 01:16:36,789 I'm fine. My heart is better. 1334 01:16:36,998 --> 01:16:39,333 My doctor told me I can do anything I like. 1335 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:42,420 I can't wait to get out on tour because I'm bored to death. 1336 01:16:44,505 --> 01:16:46,455 Well, I do want to talk about the tour. 1337 01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:49,040 What kind of tour sponsorship are you considering? 1338 01:16:49,343 --> 01:16:51,637 Before the album was released, that's kind of 1339 01:16:51,804 --> 01:16:54,432 when the publishing thing really came to a head. 1340 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,977 We were called to a meeting at the crappy management's office, 1341 01:16:58,144 --> 01:17:03,357 and it was stated all the publishing needs to be split equally. 1342 01:17:04,483 --> 01:17:06,151 "And then, I said," Well, wait a minute, 1343 01:17:06,235 --> 01:17:07,945 this album is totally done." 1344 01:17:08,154 --> 01:17:11,365 "I totally agree to do that for the next album, 1345 01:17:11,532 --> 01:17:14,785 but I'm not doing it for this album, because I fucking worked my ass off." 1346 01:17:14,869 --> 01:17:17,704 And they're like, "Nope, you gotta do it." I'm like, "I won't do it." 1347 01:17:17,788 --> 01:17:19,498 "You've gotta do it." "I won't do it." 1348 01:17:19,582 --> 01:17:21,416 And then, I just said, "Fuck you, I quit." 1349 01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:23,100 And that's when I quit the band. 1350 01:17:24,795 --> 01:17:27,548 But, of course, I couldn't leave the band yet 1351 01:17:27,715 --> 01:17:31,135 because we had a whole huge tour planned to support the new album. 1352 01:17:31,344 --> 01:17:34,144 She told us that she was... After the tour for Talk Show, 1353 01:17:34,263 --> 01:17:35,413 she was going to leave. 1354 01:17:35,556 --> 01:17:38,976 You guys have been together now for quite a while. 1355 01:17:39,185 --> 01:17:41,479 Do you still all just get along as friends? 1356 01:17:41,687 --> 01:17:42,938 Yeah. 1357 01:17:44,106 --> 01:17:46,108 There would be a lot of questions 1358 01:17:46,275 --> 01:17:49,111 about what our relationship with each other was like. 1359 01:17:49,278 --> 01:17:51,739 "Oh, we love each other. We're like sisters." 1360 01:17:51,906 --> 01:17:55,117 Yeah, like sisters that fucking stab each other in the back. 1361 01:18:06,337 --> 01:18:08,137 It was a little toxic, shall we say. 1362 01:18:09,215 --> 01:18:11,717 But I know what you're doing 1363 01:18:11,926 --> 01:18:14,929 But the machine, Go-Go machine, had to keep going. 1364 01:18:15,554 --> 01:18:17,264 Falling to ruin 1365 01:18:17,473 --> 01:18:20,184 You got your walls so high 1366 01:18:20,851 --> 01:18:22,728 Things were really coming apart. 1367 01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:25,564 There may be some explanation 1368 01:18:26,148 --> 01:18:28,818 This band is everything to me. 1369 01:18:28,984 --> 01:18:34,657 My driving focus was to keep that shit together. 1370 01:18:34,949 --> 01:18:38,285 - I just want to turn to you - Turn to you 1371 01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:41,497 - Come on let me turn to you - Turn to you 1372 01:18:41,831 --> 01:18:45,459 There was a lot of crap going on, and it felt like, 1373 01:18:45,668 --> 01:18:48,546 the dream of The Go-Go's was slipping away, 1374 01:18:48,921 --> 01:18:52,842 and, of course, I more so felt like my life was slipping away. 1375 01:18:54,510 --> 01:18:57,179 It has a lot to do 1376 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,434 There were definitely times when you really had to fake it 1377 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,726 to get through it. 1378 01:19:03,477 --> 01:19:06,313 We had this whole thing that we called robo-Go-Go-ing, 1379 01:19:06,522 --> 01:19:08,983 where you would just get out there on stage 1380 01:19:09,191 --> 01:19:11,944 and no one would fucking know that you had just had 1381 01:19:12,111 --> 01:19:13,511 a screaming fight backstage. 1382 01:19:13,612 --> 01:19:16,824 You would just get out there and be like... robo Go-Go! 1383 01:19:17,032 --> 01:19:18,868 I want to turn to you 1384 01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:22,413 Come on, let me turn to you 1385 01:19:22,663 --> 01:19:25,040 Please let me turn to you 1386 01:19:25,708 --> 01:19:28,043 During the tour, Jane announced that she was leaving, 1387 01:19:28,127 --> 01:19:29,211 which I didn't believe. 1388 01:19:29,295 --> 01:19:32,631 And then, sure enough she did and it was really devastating. 1389 01:19:35,134 --> 01:19:38,345 I felt completely betrayed. I felt like... 1390 01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:42,516 she was breaking up something that was so precious. 1391 01:19:42,725 --> 01:19:45,269 We knew we were in trouble then, because, I mean, 1392 01:19:45,436 --> 01:19:49,148 she's an original member, she's a key songwriter, 1393 01:19:49,356 --> 01:19:50,556 and she's irreplaceable. 1394 01:19:50,649 --> 01:19:52,526 It was like a hatchet had come and just... 1395 01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:54,778 It was never going to be the same after that. 1396 01:19:54,862 --> 01:19:58,073 That was it, really A piece of the puzzle was missing. 1397 01:20:00,701 --> 01:20:04,914 I felt like the rat that had, you know, left the sinking ship. 1398 01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:09,627 The Go-Go's as a unit worked. 1399 01:20:10,419 --> 01:20:13,756 And you take out a piece, is the picture complete? 1400 01:20:15,174 --> 01:20:16,175 Maybe not. 1401 01:20:18,427 --> 01:20:21,722 I just thought this could be the end of everything. 1402 01:20:22,181 --> 01:20:25,809 All I was, I was a Go-Go, that was all. 1403 01:20:26,268 --> 01:20:29,438 That meant, I could take care of my mom. 1404 01:20:30,231 --> 01:20:32,608 By this time, I'm supporting my mom. 1405 01:20:33,108 --> 01:20:36,612 It's easier to find a bass player than it is a guitar player. 1406 01:20:36,820 --> 01:20:39,240 I'll play guitar, we'll get a bass player. 1407 01:20:39,406 --> 01:20:41,656 Hundreds of girls wanted to be in The Go-Go's. 1408 01:20:42,034 --> 01:20:43,077 Big surprise. 1409 01:20:45,496 --> 01:20:47,248 I really wanted Paula Jean, 1410 01:20:47,414 --> 01:20:49,666 and the other girls weren't really agreeing with me, 1411 01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:51,794 but for some reason they acquiesced, 1412 01:20:52,002 --> 01:20:54,088 and Paula Jean became our bass player. 1413 01:20:55,965 --> 01:20:57,841 I felt like Dorothy walking into Oz, 1414 01:20:58,050 --> 01:21:00,844 because they were all so much shorter than me. 1415 01:21:01,095 --> 01:21:02,513 I knew before I auditioned 1416 01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,599 that the band was having problems, because Jane quit the band, 1417 01:21:05,683 --> 01:21:08,769 and I had read enough and followed them enough to know 1418 01:21:09,019 --> 01:21:12,523 that things weren't going great interpersonally. 1419 01:21:13,649 --> 01:21:16,151 So, we started rehearsing with Paula Jean, 1420 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,279 getting ready to go to Rio. 1421 01:21:18,487 --> 01:21:20,823 We're playing the biggest show of our life. 1422 01:21:21,532 --> 01:21:23,659 It's the Rock in Rio festival. 1423 01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:25,536 Belinda! 1424 01:21:25,744 --> 01:21:28,789 Are you... What are your expectations towards the festival? 1425 01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:30,499 It should be a lot of fun. 1426 01:21:31,959 --> 01:21:35,212 I could tell that the joy of them playing together 1427 01:21:35,379 --> 01:21:37,423 was not what it probably once was. 1428 01:21:37,881 --> 01:21:42,386 It felt to me like they were all... trying to muster it 1429 01:21:42,845 --> 01:21:44,597 for the occasion. 1430 01:21:45,556 --> 01:21:48,517 In Rio, this is the height of everybody's drug intake. 1431 01:21:48,726 --> 01:21:51,687 People driving around in cabs searching for coke all night. 1432 01:21:52,271 --> 01:21:54,315 I didn't sleep for, like, a week. 1433 01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:01,405 I'm supposed to go to sound check, and I went out to cop some dope. 1434 01:22:01,697 --> 01:22:04,033 I was late, and I had to make up a big lie, 1435 01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:08,287 and that's another thing with drugs, like, you become a big liar. 1436 01:22:09,455 --> 01:22:11,999 Charlotte was so out of control 1437 01:22:12,166 --> 01:22:14,042 that Ozzy Osbourne threw her out of his dressing room. 1438 01:22:14,126 --> 01:22:15,626 Now that's pretty fucking bad. 1439 01:22:15,711 --> 01:22:18,672 Head over heels Where should I go 1440 01:22:18,881 --> 01:22:21,467 Can't stop myself Out of control 1441 01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:24,553 Head over heels No time to think 1442 01:22:24,762 --> 01:22:27,640 Looks like the whole world's out of sync 1443 01:22:29,767 --> 01:22:31,435 The Go-Go's were a family, 1444 01:22:31,769 --> 01:22:33,896 and, you know, I think that Gina and Kathy 1445 01:22:34,063 --> 01:22:36,440 kind of had become the caretakers in a way, 1446 01:22:36,857 --> 01:22:38,859 trying to hold it together. 1447 01:22:43,072 --> 01:22:46,575 Charlotte was there, but you could tell just not there. 1448 01:22:48,952 --> 01:22:52,289 It was just getting to be where it was unsustainable. 1449 01:22:57,002 --> 01:23:02,049 Paula goes, "You guys, Charlotte's really in trouble." 1450 01:23:03,842 --> 01:23:06,595 What? New girl says what? 1451 01:23:07,221 --> 01:23:09,821 I said, "I just really feel like she's going to die." 1452 01:23:11,892 --> 01:23:13,810 Paula came to me one day and said, you know, 1453 01:23:13,894 --> 01:23:17,189 "Charlotte, I know a place where you can go to get some help." 1454 01:23:17,356 --> 01:23:19,356 And I said, "What are you talking about?" 1455 01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:24,279 She told me about, you know, a recovery hospital, 1456 01:23:24,571 --> 01:23:27,032 you know, for addicts. 1457 01:23:27,991 --> 01:23:30,119 And then, something shifted in me. 1458 01:23:31,412 --> 01:23:33,122 I went back to Los Angeles 1459 01:23:33,288 --> 01:23:36,458 and I checked myself into rehab with Paula's help. 1460 01:23:36,959 --> 01:23:40,379 I'm not saying it was easy, but I was dedicated. 1461 01:23:40,838 --> 01:23:44,633 And I'm forever grateful to her for giving me that information, 1462 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,262 because it totally changed my life and saved me. 1463 01:23:52,599 --> 01:23:56,687 When I got sober, it was so amazing to be free 1464 01:23:56,854 --> 01:24:00,065 of that prison that I was living in. 1465 01:24:00,941 --> 01:24:04,945 As dedicated as I was to that... To my band, 1466 01:24:05,112 --> 01:24:07,156 I was dedicated to myself. 1467 01:24:08,407 --> 01:24:11,057 When we started rehearsing again for the fourth album, 1468 01:24:11,201 --> 01:24:14,621 I made the decision to choose myself over the band. 1469 01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:17,180 It just wasn't working, it wasn't going to work. 1470 01:24:17,374 --> 01:24:20,294 Paula was great, but she wasn't Jane. 1471 01:24:20,878 --> 01:24:23,380 The only decent song that came out of it was "Mad About You." 1472 01:24:23,464 --> 01:24:25,340 They really liked "Mad About You." 1473 01:24:25,674 --> 01:24:28,802 It's a song that Paula wrote for our band. 1474 01:24:29,094 --> 01:24:32,598 The relationships were just disintegrating in the band. 1475 01:24:32,973 --> 01:24:36,810 Charlotte and I discussed ending the band. 1476 01:24:39,730 --> 01:24:41,565 Gina and I are feeling more and more 1477 01:24:41,732 --> 01:24:44,610 like Charlotte and Belinda are on one side, 1478 01:24:44,777 --> 01:24:46,677 and me and Gina are on the other side. 1479 01:24:49,823 --> 01:24:53,702 Her and Belinda called Kathy and myself into management's office. 1480 01:24:54,787 --> 01:24:57,498 - I was like, "This is not good." - It's not good. 1481 01:24:57,790 --> 01:25:00,834 Even now, I can't. Remembering this makes me feel ill. 1482 01:25:01,627 --> 01:25:04,727 "We've decided to break up the band," that was the first thing. 1483 01:25:05,255 --> 01:25:07,174 And Gina and I said, "You can't." 1484 01:25:07,341 --> 01:25:09,301 "You can't do that, it's our band too." 1485 01:25:09,927 --> 01:25:11,178 "Yes, we can." 1486 01:25:13,222 --> 01:25:18,977 Somebody said, "She writes the hits and I am the voice." 1487 01:25:19,645 --> 01:25:21,595 "She's the voice, and I write the hits." 1488 01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:26,860 And Kathy and I were fucking flabbergasted. 1489 01:25:27,069 --> 01:25:31,365 They completely freaked out. Completely freaked out. 1490 01:25:31,698 --> 01:25:33,698 There was a lot of crying and screaming. 1491 01:25:33,826 --> 01:25:35,202 I definitely raged, 1492 01:25:35,410 --> 01:25:41,375 and then I dialed back the rage and groveled and apologizing. 1493 01:25:41,959 --> 01:25:46,004 I wanted to kill both of them. I really did. 1494 01:25:47,256 --> 01:25:48,656 After all we'd been through, 1495 01:25:48,757 --> 01:25:50,926 how could you fucking dare say that to me? 1496 01:25:52,636 --> 01:25:54,596 I won't survive this if I stay here, 1497 01:25:54,847 --> 01:25:57,724 and I cannot risk using and drinking again, 1498 01:25:57,933 --> 01:25:59,017 I cannot risk that. 1499 01:25:59,184 --> 01:26:00,978 What was horrible was like 1500 01:26:01,144 --> 01:26:04,398 going home from that meeting just shattered. 1501 01:26:04,565 --> 01:26:06,441 And then, the phone rings, 1502 01:26:06,608 --> 01:26:10,112 and it's the guy from the management company 1503 01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:14,116 and my heart just, like, "They've changed their mind!" 1504 01:26:14,658 --> 01:26:16,326 And instead he goes, 1505 01:26:16,535 --> 01:26:18,787 "You're going to get a call from the LA Times 1506 01:26:18,954 --> 01:26:21,204 to make a comment about the band breaking up." 1507 01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:24,751 It's like, "What, are you fucking kidding me?" 1508 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,421 You know, it's been an hour. 1509 01:26:31,008 --> 01:26:33,927 Within months of me leaving, the band ended up breaking up, 1510 01:26:34,136 --> 01:26:36,036 and I certainly wasn't happy about it, 1511 01:26:36,138 --> 01:26:38,140 but I also wasn't surprised either. 1512 01:26:39,683 --> 01:26:42,603 We didn't speak to each other for five years after that. 1513 01:26:43,186 --> 01:26:48,275 Gina and Kathy, I didn't speak to. Jane was off doing her solo record. 1514 01:26:48,483 --> 01:26:51,069 I felt the need to try something new. 1515 01:26:51,236 --> 01:26:54,197 I was also interested in singing my own material. 1516 01:27:03,332 --> 01:27:05,375 I was used to being a big star, 1517 01:27:05,542 --> 01:27:07,753 and all of a sudden it was like, "She sucks!" 1518 01:27:08,003 --> 01:27:11,131 I hated it so much, and I was just so mad, 1519 01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:14,801 but now honestly, I really feel like 1520 01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:17,763 the person I am today would not exist 1521 01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:19,880 without all the failure I went through, 1522 01:27:19,973 --> 01:27:23,852 and all the success I ever had never taught me one damn thing. 1523 01:27:24,061 --> 01:27:25,103 Never. 1524 01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:29,441 I tried so hard 1525 01:27:29,942 --> 01:27:34,613 to create another band with the chemistry 1526 01:27:34,821 --> 01:27:36,949 and the magic that The Go-Go's had, 1527 01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,285 and nothing I did seemed to work out. 1528 01:27:40,827 --> 01:27:42,162 I tried being a singer. 1529 01:27:42,329 --> 01:27:44,205 I never wanted to be a singer, but I tried it. 1530 01:27:44,289 --> 01:27:46,249 I couldn't be a studio player, because I didn't know 1531 01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:48,334 how to read music and that wasn't my thing. 1532 01:27:48,418 --> 01:27:51,755 And so, I went out and tried to get a solo deal. 1533 01:27:51,964 --> 01:27:55,258 I did one show at the Roxy and got signed by Capitol Records, 1534 01:27:55,467 --> 01:27:57,177 which was great for a while. 1535 01:27:57,970 --> 01:27:59,638 And then after a few years, 1536 01:27:59,805 --> 01:28:02,181 it was almost like The Go-Go's didn't even exist anymore. 1537 01:28:02,265 --> 01:28:03,565 It was only like, Belinda! 1538 01:28:05,102 --> 01:28:06,561 When The Go-Go's split up, 1539 01:28:06,728 --> 01:28:08,563 I guess everybody went their separate ways, 1540 01:28:08,647 --> 01:28:11,149 but you're the only one who really hit it big. 1541 01:28:11,316 --> 01:28:13,026 Why do you think that's the case? 1542 01:28:13,402 --> 01:28:15,502 Well, I think I definitely had a head start 1543 01:28:15,654 --> 01:28:17,698 as being the focus of the band, which, 1544 01:28:17,864 --> 01:28:20,909 you know, people do tend to focus on the lead singer of any band. 1545 01:28:20,993 --> 01:28:24,579 And, you know, that did give me some advantages. 1546 01:28:25,539 --> 01:28:26,999 Belinda offered me a job. 1547 01:28:27,165 --> 01:28:30,293 She said, "Do you wanna tour with me and write on my record?" 1548 01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:32,838 And I was so grateful to her, because I... 1549 01:28:33,005 --> 01:28:34,923 That was still at that place in my life 1550 01:28:35,007 --> 01:28:37,718 where that was my identity, doing that, 1551 01:28:37,926 --> 01:28:41,805 and just beginning to find out that that wasn't... 1552 01:28:42,014 --> 01:28:44,933 that wasn't the totality of who I am. 1553 01:28:45,684 --> 01:28:48,061 So, she gave me that bridge. 1554 01:28:49,354 --> 01:28:52,941 As they went on, Charlotte was working with Belinda. 1555 01:28:53,191 --> 01:28:54,818 Jane is back in the fold. 1556 01:28:55,027 --> 01:28:57,070 Now, all of a sudden, it's like, the three of them 1557 01:28:57,154 --> 01:28:58,739 are doing shit for Belinda. 1558 01:28:58,905 --> 01:29:02,659 I started feeling like it was a vendetta against me and Gina. 1559 01:29:03,493 --> 01:29:04,494 It was... 1560 01:29:05,245 --> 01:29:06,580 It was horrible. 1561 01:29:08,582 --> 01:29:10,751 I just wanted to write and play drums. 1562 01:29:10,917 --> 01:29:12,753 I've written stuff for other people. 1563 01:29:13,336 --> 01:29:15,464 I had a song covered by Miley Cyrus, 1564 01:29:15,630 --> 01:29:17,674 and then four songs by Selena Gomez... 1565 01:29:18,216 --> 01:29:21,011 so I felt like, "Yeah, finally getting what I deserve." 1566 01:29:23,096 --> 01:29:24,764 I've always known I had a book in me. 1567 01:29:24,848 --> 01:29:27,398 When I turned 40, I was dropped by my record company 1568 01:29:27,559 --> 01:29:28,935 as a solo artist, 1569 01:29:29,144 --> 01:29:32,022 and that was actually the beginning of, like, 1570 01:29:32,230 --> 01:29:34,280 soul searching and what is this all about? 1571 01:29:34,524 --> 01:29:36,818 What were The Go-Go's all about? Who am I? 1572 01:29:36,985 --> 01:29:41,239 With sobriety, my world is very vast and bigger than it's ever been. 1573 01:29:41,448 --> 01:29:45,160 I think for me, there are a lot of ego issues, to be honest. 1574 01:29:45,452 --> 01:29:49,623 A lot of slapping down I've needed, 1575 01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:53,210 and a lot of... I needed a lot of humbling. 1576 01:29:53,502 --> 01:29:56,004 It's five people in this band and... 1577 01:29:58,131 --> 01:30:01,468 everybody was set on their own sort of course. 1578 01:30:02,594 --> 01:30:04,387 But then we got back together. 1579 01:30:05,514 --> 01:30:07,265 Because the story never ends! 1580 01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:09,351 The story never ends. 1581 01:30:13,939 --> 01:30:16,566 Thank you for coming out tonight. 1582 01:30:22,906 --> 01:30:25,200 See the people walking down the street 1583 01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:30,288 As angry as I was when they broke up the band, 1584 01:30:30,455 --> 01:30:31,873 I missed them. 1585 01:30:32,415 --> 01:30:36,336 Nobody really knows what that felt like to be in The Go-Go's, 1586 01:30:36,711 --> 01:30:39,840 only four other people know what that feels like. 1587 01:30:40,507 --> 01:30:41,675 And that's the bond. 1588 01:30:41,842 --> 01:30:47,139 Nothing has happened so bad that it overshadows that. 1589 01:30:49,891 --> 01:30:52,643 I don't know how this keeps going, I swear to Christ, I don't. 1590 01:30:52,727 --> 01:30:55,313 The Go-Go's day in Hollywood! 1591 01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:04,322 We are making Go-Go's history with our debut 1592 01:31:04,865 --> 01:31:06,449 as Broadway songwriters. 1593 01:31:07,701 --> 01:31:11,496 You get older and you get wiser, and you drop a lot of the bullshit. 1594 01:31:11,705 --> 01:31:14,291 We are a family, that's just what it is. 1595 01:31:14,708 --> 01:31:15,917 We got the beat 1596 01:31:16,084 --> 01:31:18,086 Everybody get on your feet 1597 01:31:18,253 --> 01:31:20,213 We know you can... 1598 01:31:20,463 --> 01:31:21,840 Can you drum? 1599 01:31:22,424 --> 01:31:23,717 Gina needs coffee. 1600 01:31:23,884 --> 01:31:26,428 - We used to have the beat - We had the beat 1601 01:31:26,928 --> 01:31:29,306 I remember when we had the beat! We got it back. 1602 01:31:29,514 --> 01:31:32,225 Everybody, we got the beat 1603 01:31:32,893 --> 01:31:35,020 We got the, we got the beat 1604 01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:38,148 - That was fantastic. - That was amazing. 1605 01:31:38,732 --> 01:31:42,027 Oh, my God, do we have the motherfucking beat. 1606 01:31:42,194 --> 01:31:43,862 - I love that. - It was great. 1607 01:31:44,029 --> 01:31:45,571 That wasn't bad for not playing together 1608 01:31:45,655 --> 01:31:47,705 - a really long time. - Yeah, next time... 1609 01:31:48,783 --> 01:31:51,733 Hey, it doesn't hurt to rehearse, it only makes you tighter. 1610 01:31:52,662 --> 01:31:56,082 I think that The Go-Go's, if you believe in karma, 1611 01:31:56,291 --> 01:31:59,211 there's a lot of karmic ties in this band. 1612 01:31:59,711 --> 01:32:02,171 Just the fact that we've been in each other's lives 1613 01:32:02,255 --> 01:32:04,674 for so many years, it has to be to work out something. 1614 01:32:04,758 --> 01:32:07,719 Fair's fair, don't care 1615 01:32:07,928 --> 01:32:12,265 They may have control but we're not scared 1616 01:32:13,433 --> 01:32:15,227 Zero fucks given 1617 01:32:15,435 --> 01:32:16,519 Oops. 1618 01:32:16,728 --> 01:32:20,232 About a year ago, I went to a psychiatrist 1619 01:32:20,398 --> 01:32:23,109 who diagnosed me as being bipolar. 1620 01:32:23,318 --> 01:32:26,029 Wake up, can't you see 1621 01:32:26,238 --> 01:32:28,448 For the first time in my life I... 1622 01:32:28,657 --> 01:32:30,867 haven't thought of suicide in a year, 1623 01:32:31,034 --> 01:32:33,495 which is like, fucking mind-blowing to me. 1624 01:32:33,662 --> 01:32:35,413 Do you want to decide which key you like better? 1625 01:32:35,497 --> 01:32:37,123 - Yeah, that'd be good. - Okay. 1626 01:32:37,290 --> 01:32:40,126 And luckily, The Go-Go's have finally gotten to the point 1627 01:32:40,335 --> 01:32:43,171 where we actually can be civil to each other and get along. 1628 01:32:43,255 --> 01:32:45,674 I can see the good in everyone in the band. 1629 01:32:48,802 --> 01:32:53,515 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1630 01:32:53,723 --> 01:32:55,684 Not on a map 1631 01:32:55,934 --> 01:32:58,103 It's a state of mind 1632 01:32:59,688 --> 01:33:01,606 This is club zero 1633 01:33:02,107 --> 01:33:03,775 Okay, so, verse or chorus? 1634 01:33:03,984 --> 01:33:06,569 We talked about things we wanted to write about, 1635 01:33:06,778 --> 01:33:09,656 and we did, kind of make a conscious decision 1636 01:33:09,823 --> 01:33:12,742 to try to write about, you know, the place of women 1637 01:33:12,951 --> 01:33:14,995 and our future roles. 1638 01:33:15,161 --> 01:33:18,790 It's kind of a testament to our longevity and our bond. 1639 01:33:18,957 --> 01:33:20,833 - Tenacity. - And how we can work together. 1640 01:33:20,917 --> 01:33:23,267 That we've been able to withstand it, I think... 1641 01:33:24,671 --> 01:33:27,465 - It was hard! - We've been able to live through it! 1642 01:33:29,342 --> 01:33:31,803 - What were you saying, Gina? - Wait a minute! 1643 01:33:32,637 --> 01:33:34,681 Okay, are we ready to go loud? 1644 01:33:34,889 --> 01:33:36,265 - Yeah, man. - You wanna go loud? 1645 01:33:36,349 --> 01:33:38,393 One, two, a-one, two... 1646 01:33:44,816 --> 01:33:47,902 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1647 01:33:48,111 --> 01:33:49,988 Not on a map 1648 01:33:50,196 --> 01:33:52,532 It's a state of mind 1649 01:33:53,450 --> 01:33:55,535 This is club zero 1650 01:33:57,787 --> 01:34:00,957 The rules they made are battle lines 1651 01:34:01,166 --> 01:34:04,002 The grand design is out of time 1652 01:34:04,210 --> 01:34:08,465 Hey, we've got something to say... 1653 01:34:08,673 --> 01:34:12,510 There was this power that we all felt, 1654 01:34:12,802 --> 01:34:16,348 of us together, doing what were doing. 1655 01:34:17,015 --> 01:34:23,146 We showed up as who we were and just, against all odds, 1656 01:34:23,521 --> 01:34:25,231 busted through some ceilings. 1657 01:34:38,703 --> 01:34:40,162 I don't know what more they have to do 1658 01:34:40,246 --> 01:34:41,914 to get in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. 1659 01:34:41,998 --> 01:34:44,667 What the fuck? They're not? 1660 01:34:45,293 --> 01:34:47,337 Come on! Come on! 1661 01:34:48,129 --> 01:34:50,079 They're in my Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. 1662 01:34:56,805 --> 01:35:00,100 There's a place for us, don't look for a sign 1663 01:35:00,350 --> 01:35:02,102 Not on a map 1664 01:35:02,685 --> 01:35:05,230 It's a state of mind 1665 01:35:05,939 --> 01:35:08,274 This is club zero 1666 01:35:09,984 --> 01:35:13,196 Time's up, it's the clarion call 1667 01:35:13,405 --> 01:35:17,534 'Cause zero hour is upon us all 1668 01:35:17,742 --> 01:35:19,786 Tick-tock, tick-tock 1669 01:35:22,414 --> 01:35:25,667 The rules they made are battle lines 1670 01:35:25,875 --> 01:35:28,962 The grand design is out of time 1671 01:35:29,170 --> 01:35:33,633 Hey, we've got something to say 1672 01:35:33,842 --> 01:35:35,593 Gonna make the world shake 1673 01:35:35,802 --> 01:35:38,263 Ready or not, here we are 1674 01:35:38,471 --> 01:35:41,641 Better get out of our way 1675 01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:44,894 Looking for heroes, we are club zero 1676 01:35:47,230 --> 01:35:49,065 - I love it. - We did blow in our bras. 1677 01:35:49,149 --> 01:35:52,735 - We did blow and we gave birth. - Yeah, it was time to have babies. 1678 01:35:52,902 --> 01:35:55,155 - Which one is that? - She's having her baby. 1679 01:35:55,321 --> 01:35:56,865 Why am I always the baby? 1680 01:35:57,031 --> 01:35:59,158 You were always the baby 'cause you were the only one 1681 01:35:59,242 --> 01:36:00,952 that could fit between our legs. 1682 01:36:02,912 --> 01:36:05,748 Fair's fair, don't care 1683 01:36:05,957 --> 01:36:09,836 They may have control but we're not scared 1684 01:36:11,212 --> 01:36:13,214 Zero fucks given 1685 01:36:15,258 --> 01:36:18,344 Wake up, can't you see 1686 01:36:18,511 --> 01:36:22,640 Heads up, we're the new MVPs 1687 01:36:22,849 --> 01:36:25,435 Of the twenty-first century 1688 01:36:27,645 --> 01:36:30,732 The rules they made are battle lines 1689 01:36:30,940 --> 01:36:34,027 The grand design is out of time 1690 01:36:34,319 --> 01:36:38,698 Hey, we've got something to say 1691 01:36:38,907 --> 01:36:40,617 Gonna make the world shake 1692 01:36:40,825 --> 01:36:43,453 Ready or not, here we come 1693 01:36:43,661 --> 01:36:46,748 You better get out of our way 1694 01:36:46,956 --> 01:36:49,834 We won't stop until we're done 1695 01:36:50,084 --> 01:36:53,087 Better get out of our way 1696 01:36:53,379 --> 01:36:59,010 Walking like heroes We are club zero 1697 01:37:16,903 --> 01:37:19,989 The rules they made are battle lines 1698 01:37:20,198 --> 01:37:23,326 The grand design is out of time 1699 01:37:23,535 --> 01:37:28,081 Hey, we've got something to say 1700 01:37:28,289 --> 01:37:29,749 Gonna make the world shake 1701 01:37:29,958 --> 01:37:32,752 Ready or not, here we come 1702 01:37:32,961 --> 01:37:36,047 You better get out of our way 1703 01:37:36,256 --> 01:37:39,092 We won't stop until we're done 1704 01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:42,387 Better get out of our way 1705 01:37:42,595 --> 01:37:45,598 Looking for heroes We are club zero 1706 01:37:45,807 --> 01:37:50,270 Walking like heroes We are club zero 146321

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