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- [Answering Machine]
Two new messages.
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Message one.
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- [Bernardo] Hi,
Scotty, it's Bernardo.
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I got your message.
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So call me any time you want
to see me or get together.
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We look forward to seeing you.
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(birds chirping)
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- Bernardo took me shopping.
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I mean, I paid for it, but
he took me shopping. (laughs)
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Bernardo insisted that
I have a handkerchief
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for the pocket too.
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Jeez, I hope it fits.
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- [Matt] When was
the last time Scotty
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was dressed like this?
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- When we got married.
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(Scotty laughs)
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Hey!
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("It had to be
you" instrumental)
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- [Scotty] You look
so pretty, honey.
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- This is the birthday man.
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- Happy Birthday, Scotty!
- He only looks a day over 50.
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("It had to be
you" instrumental)
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- [Man] Andreas, for 40 years.
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- You're looking wonderful.
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We're talking about the
Gomorrah of Hollywood.
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- Talking about what?
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- [Woman] The
Gomorrah of Hollywood.
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- It's amazing!
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Can you believe it?
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- He must've lived his
life in a good way,
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because look at him,
and he's 90 years old.
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- I'm telling you, he worked
every day of his life.
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And God knows he partied,
you've read his book.
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("It Had to be
You" instrumental)
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- Are you still working?
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(laughs) We wanna know
if you're still working.
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- You might say that.
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- [Man] Scotty?
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Oh, Scott, where are you?
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I think there's something with
your name on it over here.
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(lively instrumental music)
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- [Crowd] Yay!
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- [Man] 90 and still going!
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- Happy birthday, Scotty.
- Thank you.
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That was so nice of you.
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- It wasn't until
I started working
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my book on Katharine Hepburn.
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I was talking to some of
the other biographers,
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and they said to me,
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"You know, there's this
character out there
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"that you really
should try to talk to,
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"and his name is Scotty Bowers.
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"And he had this
gas station, and he,
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"you know, he
supplied men and women
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"to the various Hollywood stars.
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"He knew, he knows
all about that era,
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"but you know, you'll
never get to talk to him."
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I began to think that maybe
he was an urban legend.
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(laughs) You know, that
there was no Scotty Bowers.
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(lively horn music)
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- Did you have a
little black book?
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- No.
- No?
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You kept it all in your head?
- Yes, yes.
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- Some people have described you
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as a sort of pimp to the stairs.
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- [Scotty] Oh, yes.
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- [Anthony] In the book you say
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you were just trying
to help people out.
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- Yes, I was.
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- [Anthony] But the risks,
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particularly for gay or
bisexual actors, were serious.
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- [Scotty] I met Cary Grant
first, then Randolph Scott.
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Back in those days, people
knew they were lovers.
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- I've lost my clothes.
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- But why are you
wearing these clothes?
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- Because I just went
gay all of a sudden!
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- People are very invested
in the establishment view
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of Hollywood movie star history,
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which Scotty's story
re-tells in an honest way
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and in a way that's more
true to what was going on.
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- [Scotty] 90% of jobs could
be lost from being gay.
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You were in the
closet, basically.
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So many people were.
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This is why what I
did in the gas station
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was so nice for people.
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- You don't think this
thing is gonna get around?
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You don't think everybody's
gonna know about it?
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I won't even be able to
show my face in Lindy's.
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- People get very
angry at the idea
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of these beloved Hollywood icons
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being revealed to have secrets.
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But actually, all it
is that Scotty is doing
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is revealing that
these people were real.
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They were actual people.
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Flesh and blood, like us.
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- It turned out that
Scotty was the center
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of a whole different
alternate world.
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A world to which most of us
had no access or knowledge.
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- It can add up to an
awful lot of people,
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when you stop and
think about it.
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You would say, each
day, 365 days a year.
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It's certainly
into the thousands.
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And it's hard to
believe a lot of people
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who've only been with two
or three different people
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would never believe it.
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(slow dramatic music)
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(birds chirping)
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"Dear Scotty.
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"What a read, what a life.
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"A group of Hollywood's
best writers
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"could not have made up the
life you actually lived."
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- Really gets one who
doesn't like the book.
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- "I believe every
word you wrote.
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"Why would you lie?
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"God, I wish I'd lived
next door to you."
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- 'Cause those would be the ones
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that you would think
would let him have it.
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Both girls, but not a one.
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And yet I know there are
people who don't like the book.
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The lady that cuts
your hair told me.
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- [Scotty] Yeah,
but she's guessing.
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She doesn't know anybody--
- No, she, not guessing.
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- [Scotty] She told
you there are people
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that don't like the book?
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- Because it, yeah, I told you
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that you took away their dream.
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Shame on you.
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- You know, there's a new
book called Full Service.
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It's written by a man who
says he used to set up gay
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and bisexual affairs for
some of the biggest stars
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from the 1940s and beyond.
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- The point of this is,
these people are now dead.
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They cannot answer.
- Right.
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- Some of them have families.
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Is it right?
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Do you out people
after they're dead?
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- Why?
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What does it, what does it, no,
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you do care because
they got family.
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- The point is it's their
business and not yours.
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You shouldn't out someone
when they're alive
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and you shouldn't out
them when they're dead.
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How's that?
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You shouldn't out them any time
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unless it's you saying
it about yourself.
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- Unless they gave
their permission.
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- [Whoopi] Yes, yes!
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- That's kinda pretty out there.
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I mean, with the sun in
the background over there.
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Jesus, look at that
beautiful rainbow.
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I created the
rainbow in Hollywood.
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The Rainbow is at 5777 Hollywood
Boulevard called Richfield,
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and that was a rainbow,
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that was the fuckin' end of a
rainbow for a lot of people.
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I mean, it's hard to believe
unless you were there,
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how much fun that
gas station was.
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People disappearing
up in the trailer
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and going in the washroom
and doing this and that.
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The whole thing
was fun. (laughs)
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(soft piano music)
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5777 Hollywood Boulevard.
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And the streetcar used to go
along Hollywood Boulevard,
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ding, ding, ding,
and stop right there
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in front of the gas station,
which was very nice.
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Where the gas station was
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is a huge three-story
firehouse there now.
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Now, see, that's their
property, came right to here,
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went straight back to
that corner and down.
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And the gas station
was a little thing,
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it was no higher where, where,
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than those letters
that say fire station.
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It's so completely different now
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that it's hard to
believe what it was then.
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(lively jazz music)
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That period of time
after World War II,
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that was quite a different
time, never to be repeated.
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Remember, had the
war not come along,
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people lived on the farm
and still be on the farm,
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like myself.
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I went in the Marine
Corps when I was 18.
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My brother went in the Marine
Corps two years after I did.
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I was in '42, '43,
'44, and most of '45.
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(slow soft music)
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When you're overseas,
you're a long ways away,
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and how many guys
get killed every day,
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and you're burying
people all the time.
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(slow soft music)
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You think, you do think you're
never gonna get back home.
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(crowd cheering)
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When the war was over
in '45, many guys,
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when they got out
of the service,
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they went back home again to
the little town, to the farm.
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I upgraded myself and went
to Hollywood. (laughs)
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(slow soft orchestral music)
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I went and got the job
at the gas station.
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(bell dings)
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The very first person I
met at the gas station
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was Walter Pidgeon.
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It happened purely accidental.
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He drove in, in a nice
Lincoln Continental.
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It was a hot day, and
he was a real gentleman.
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- [Matt] Did you
know who he was?
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- [Scotty] Not really.
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I just thought he
was a nice guy.
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He said, "What is a
nice-looking guy like you
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"doing working in
the gas station?"
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That type of thing. (laughs)
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"It'd be nice to have you come
and take a dip in the pool,"
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and things like that.
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I got into the car
and left with him.
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(slow soft jazz music)
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- [Matt] That day at
the pool, what happened?
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- [Scotty] Well, you know,
you're, you're there,
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and pretty soon, one
person's touching.
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Things just automatically
kind of happened.
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- You look at how he
stumbled into this,
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and literally, he did stumble.
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But then, the key fact there is
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that there was a whole
network of folks,
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certainly the set
designers, the hairdressers.
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They were waiting for someone
like Scotty to come along.
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- [Scotty] Edwin B. Willis,
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the number-one set
decorator at MGM.
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Every picture that came
out of MGM, it said,
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"Set Decoration by
Edwin B. Willis."
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All of a sudden, Edwin called me
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and says so-and-so is coming
to the station, so-and-so,
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and this happened
in a matter of days.
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And then, word of mouth,
everything flows automatically.
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You couldn't believe
how busy I was.
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I needed help.
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(lively upbeat jazz music)
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There's a place on Sunset
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called The Crossroads
of the World.
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And there were women,
voluntarily worked down there
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that would take messages.
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I left a number there and
the guys picked it up,
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and pretty soon, I
had about 20 guys
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hanging around the gas
station, very soon.
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And these were guys who just got
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out of the Marine Corps
too, and didn't have a dime.
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Somebody I knew would come in
to the gas station and say,
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"Jeez, I'd love to take that
nice-looking guy to dinner."
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I'd say, "For 20 bucks,
you can suck his cock now
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"and forget the goddamn dinner."
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You know, everything
was $20 bucks.
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I would say to my friends,
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"I'm gonna fix you
up with a trick,
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"and all the guy's gonna do
is take and suck your cock,
252
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"and it's the same as if your
girl was sucking your cock.
253
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"If you wanna close your eyes
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"and think it's her
sucking your cock, do."
255
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"Okay, I'll do it once."
256
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Well, once, twice,
you know. (laughs)
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♪ When the world should
all be sleepin' ♪
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♪ And the melody
comes creepin' ♪
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- [Scotty] I was fixing every
bit of 20 people a night
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up at the gas station,
seven nights a week.
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Behind the gas station I
had this huge house trailer.
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Now the guy that left it
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gave me $50 a month
to park it there.
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And he said, "Use it
any time you want."
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♪ It's no cabaret
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- [Scotty] And you
entered from the center.
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Up here was a king-size bed
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and over here was
a king-size bed
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and they had a drape
that could separate it.
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Son of a bitch, I had that
going night and day, you know.
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(upbeat jazz music)
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And then a friend of
mine, an old queen,
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ran a motel right
across the street.
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He would call me and say,
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"I have six, seven,
eight, 12, and 14 vacant.
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"The door's open.
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"Just go right in.
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"Five bucks, do you
get what I mean?"
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(upbeat jazz music)
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A lot of people liked
the bathroom thing.
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It had a little hole,
a quarter-inch hole,
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and I had that directly
underneath the toilet paper.
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You would lay on
the air compressor,
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put your eye up against the
thing, and watch the washroom.
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So I had people in there,
and I had people watching
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and the whole bit,
you get what I mean?
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That's what you call
business, baby. (laughs)
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(upbeat jazz music)
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(men laughing)
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Good to see ya.
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You sweet little baby, you.
292
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- Oh, I've been trying to
get you over here for years.
293
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- [Scotty] You've been so nice.
294
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- I told Scotty he was so
well-organized in those days.
295
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I said if you'd been in the
business world instead of here,
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you would've ended up as
chairman of General Motors.
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- (laughs) You sweetheart, Jack.
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Jack was a young trick of mine.
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- You picked me up in Acapulco.
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- That, that's right.
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We met in Acapulco.
- Acapulco.
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- Son of a bitch,
that's right. (laughs)
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- [Jack] Where did
those years go?
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- [Scotty] Jesus, I don't know.
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00:13:47,854 --> 00:13:50,056
Those years slipped
by, Jack, so quick.
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- This, this was a
book you had to write.
307
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But everyone trusted you.
308
00:13:55,229 --> 00:13:57,897
Did, did anyone ever bother
saying to you, you know,
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"You would never
betray me, would you?"
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I mean--
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- That's why, when
everyone was living,
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I would never even think,
under any circumstances,
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no god-damned dime, and no
matter what anyone offered me,
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I wouldn't write a book then.
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(people chattering)
(cameras clicking)
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- All those people.
- Ya.
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- Don't you think you
misled their trust
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by writing a tell-all book?
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00:14:27,794 --> 00:14:30,964
- A lot of people at
the time knew what,
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who these people were
and what they were,
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00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,269
so it's not a secret, really.
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00:14:35,302 --> 00:14:39,105
It may be a secret to some
square that lives in Illinois,
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00:14:39,139 --> 00:14:42,842
but people who lived
in Hollywood, they
knew these people.
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- Yeah, but you,
but for their fans,
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I mean, like if they
had a grand kid,
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the grand kid remembers, "Oh
no, my grandfather was gay,"
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00:14:48,948 --> 00:14:50,016
or whatever like that.
328
00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:51,985
- What's wrong with, what's
wrong with being gay?
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So, but thanks anyhow.
330
00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:54,954
- [Man] Okay, that's
just my feedback.
331
00:14:54,988 --> 00:14:56,856
- No, I can, I can see it.
332
00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:57,690
Thank you.
333
00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:58,758
Thank you.
334
00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,860
I did the book just to
show some of these people
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that people are still people.
336
00:15:03,096 --> 00:15:05,166
But some of these
squares think oh my God,
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you're weird, you're
different, you know.
338
00:15:07,967 --> 00:15:09,135
Like, ladies would say to me,
339
00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:10,070
"Just what are you?"
340
00:15:10,103 --> 00:15:11,238
I said, "I'm everything."
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00:15:11,272 --> 00:15:12,972
(man laughs)
342
00:15:13,006 --> 00:15:14,007
- [Woman] Thank you.
343
00:15:15,675 --> 00:15:17,143
- [Photographer]
One more, one more.
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There we go.
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(men laughing)
346
00:15:19,213 --> 00:15:21,315
- Just Hollywood trash, Scotty.
347
00:15:21,348 --> 00:15:23,683
You and I traveled
on the same highways
348
00:15:23,716 --> 00:15:25,819
and low life, and the alleyways.
349
00:15:25,852 --> 00:15:26,920
- [Scotty] That's right.
350
00:15:26,953 --> 00:15:29,223
- You know I worked for
George Cukor for two years.
351
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And, and Katharine Hepburn
lived down in the guesthouse.
352
00:15:32,359 --> 00:15:35,695
You know, she would come
up, "George, George!
353
00:15:35,728 --> 00:15:39,366
"I hope you're not up there
spilling the beans about us,
354
00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,169
"telling, telling the truth!
355
00:15:42,203 --> 00:15:45,105
"We've been in the
closet for 40 years,
356
00:15:45,138 --> 00:15:46,906
"and don't, don't
you," and, you know,
357
00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:48,242
finally we had to
cancel the book,
358
00:15:48,275 --> 00:15:49,876
and he, George hated it.
359
00:15:49,909 --> 00:15:52,946
George had to give
back a $75,000 advance.
360
00:15:52,979 --> 00:15:54,215
That nearly killed him.
361
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- [Narrator] George
Cukor has been the center
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of more controversies
than any other director
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in the history of Hollywood.
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He's not only directed a string
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of highly successful
pictures like Little Women,
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Philadelphia Story,
and Adam's Rib,
367
00:16:07,694 --> 00:16:09,996
but he's also been
fired from quite a few,
368
00:16:10,029 --> 00:16:11,332
including Gone with the Wind.
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00:16:12,299 --> 00:16:13,867
(slow soft bass music)
370
00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,270
- [Scotty] I met George in 1947.
371
00:16:16,303 --> 00:16:19,706
George came in the gas station
in his new black Dodge Sedan,
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00:16:19,739 --> 00:16:22,209
introduced himself, and
invited me up to the house.
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00:16:23,410 --> 00:16:25,179
Within a few days I was up here.
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00:16:25,212 --> 00:16:27,214
He almost came on
like Walter Pidgeon.
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00:16:27,248 --> 00:16:29,816
"It's a hot day. I'd
love to have you come up,
376
00:16:29,849 --> 00:16:32,852
"take a dip in my pool, and
cool off," and things like that.
377
00:16:34,188 --> 00:16:36,055
- [Narrator] George
Cukor has never married,
378
00:16:36,089 --> 00:16:39,025
but lives alone in a palatial
home in Beverly Hills,
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00:16:39,058 --> 00:16:42,196
a house which has seven living
rooms and only one bedroom.
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00:16:44,731 --> 00:16:46,799
- George Cukor was,
really one of the arbiters
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00:16:46,833 --> 00:16:48,067
of Hollywood society.
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00:16:48,101 --> 00:16:50,770
He was someone who had
the greatest parties,
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00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:52,373
he, he knew everyone.
384
00:16:52,406 --> 00:16:56,009
(soft orchestral music)
385
00:16:57,211 --> 00:17:00,079
- On Saturday nights,
there were like the great,
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00:17:00,113 --> 00:17:03,284
elegant soirees with the
kings and queens of Hollywood:
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00:17:04,817 --> 00:17:06,287
Vivien Leigh, Laurence Olivier,
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00:17:07,854 --> 00:17:08,688
Garbo.
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00:17:10,123 --> 00:17:14,027
Sunday afternoons around
the pool was brunch
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00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:18,232
with 10, 12, 15 of the most
beautiful men in Hollywood.
391
00:17:20,301 --> 00:17:22,969
Scotty Bowers would
always provide new talent.
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00:17:27,208 --> 00:17:30,143
- George Cukor was the
epicenter for gay Hollywood
393
00:17:30,177 --> 00:17:32,145
in the '30s, '40s, and '50s.
394
00:17:32,179 --> 00:17:35,282
If George gave his seal
of approval to someone,
395
00:17:35,316 --> 00:17:38,051
the rest of the community
looked on with favor.
396
00:17:38,084 --> 00:17:40,287
George respected Scotty.
397
00:17:40,321 --> 00:17:44,225
He wasn't simply this Madam
Cukor called for events,
398
00:17:44,258 --> 00:17:46,460
he was also a friend
of George Cukor's,
399
00:17:46,493 --> 00:17:50,797
and Scotty became friends
with many of Cukor's friends.
400
00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:53,766
(soft piano music)
401
00:17:55,101 --> 00:17:57,937
(birds chirping)
402
00:18:09,148 --> 00:18:10,251
- [Scotty] That son of a bitch
403
00:18:10,284 --> 00:18:12,018
is loaded with
stuff in there, wow!
404
00:18:12,051 --> 00:18:14,221
(laughs)
405
00:18:14,255 --> 00:18:16,789
- [Matt] How many garages
like this do you have?
406
00:18:17,558 --> 00:18:20,194
- Let's see, I have one,
407
00:18:20,227 --> 00:18:21,495
two,
408
00:18:21,528 --> 00:18:23,997
three, four, about five
409
00:18:24,998 --> 00:18:25,832
full.
410
00:18:27,234 --> 00:18:30,404
I started this, Jesus,
25 years ago, I guess.
411
00:18:30,437 --> 00:18:31,838
And I kept packing
in, packing in
412
00:18:31,871 --> 00:18:34,007
until you couldn't
even move anything.
413
00:18:35,041 --> 00:18:37,877
(birds chirping)
414
00:18:41,382 --> 00:18:42,915
The pictures should be in here.
415
00:18:54,228 --> 00:18:56,563
These were all the guys
from the gas station.
416
00:18:56,597 --> 00:18:59,600
All clean-cut, nice-looking
guys, aren't they?
417
00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:01,435
- [Matt] When was the last
time you saw those photos?
418
00:19:03,002 --> 00:19:07,140
- Uh, about the time
they were taken. (laughs)
419
00:19:07,174 --> 00:19:08,309
But I haven't seen
them since then.
420
00:19:08,342 --> 00:19:10,411
I forgot about them completely.
421
00:19:10,444 --> 00:19:12,212
Every one of these guys,
including the girl,
422
00:19:12,246 --> 00:19:15,282
were all hustlers, every
one of them. (laughs)
423
00:19:15,316 --> 00:19:18,951
(steady jazz music)
424
00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:22,356
Ronnie Stinson was my buddy
from Regina, Saskatchewan.
425
00:19:22,389 --> 00:19:24,525
One of my number one
guys, Ronnie was.
426
00:19:26,159 --> 00:19:29,496
Bob Atkinson had a big prick,
and Bob was out of the Navy.
427
00:19:31,064 --> 00:19:33,099
He had a nice rugged look about
him, looked like a cowboy,
428
00:19:33,132 --> 00:19:34,168
you know, that type of thing.
429
00:19:35,968 --> 00:19:38,305
Georgie Fargo from Chicago,
put him on a few tricks,
430
00:19:38,339 --> 00:19:39,239
he wasn't great.
431
00:19:39,273 --> 00:19:40,607
His heart wasn't in it.
432
00:19:40,641 --> 00:19:42,343
One day, I introduced
him to Clint Eastwood,
433
00:19:42,376 --> 00:19:44,178
and he and Clint
were buddy-buddy,
434
00:19:44,211 --> 00:19:47,348
and, and Clint got him
a part in pictures.
435
00:19:47,381 --> 00:19:51,150
And Lee was a pretty,
little, 21-year-old boy
436
00:19:51,185 --> 00:19:55,422
that every fucking queen in
Hollywood was hot for. (laughs)
437
00:19:55,456 --> 00:19:57,257
- [Matt] Are any of
these guys still alive?
438
00:19:57,291 --> 00:19:59,058
- Some of them are still living.
439
00:19:59,092 --> 00:20:01,994
Lee, Lee's old, but
he's still around.
440
00:20:03,364 --> 00:20:06,233
(Scotty laughs)
441
00:20:07,368 --> 00:20:08,402
Hello, baby.
442
00:20:11,003 --> 00:20:13,106
When I think of Lee, I can
only think of nice things,
443
00:20:13,139 --> 00:20:15,074
and a smile comes on my face,
444
00:20:15,108 --> 00:20:17,611
because here we
are back together.
445
00:20:17,644 --> 00:20:20,214
It was a cool little car,
that little '55 way back.
446
00:20:20,247 --> 00:20:22,349
- [Matt] Some people
don't believe the book.
447
00:20:22,383 --> 00:20:23,584
What do you say to those people?
448
00:20:23,617 --> 00:20:26,353
- I showed it to
a friend of mine.
449
00:20:26,387 --> 00:20:27,987
He thought it was trash.
450
00:20:29,323 --> 00:20:31,291
I said, "Well, it's,
maybe, that's your opinion,
451
00:20:32,326 --> 00:20:33,494
"but it's all true."
452
00:20:35,295 --> 00:20:37,431
- [Matt] About what year did
Lee show up at the gas station?
453
00:20:38,298 --> 00:20:39,500
- 1951.
454
00:20:41,468 --> 00:20:43,604
I came into Hollywood.
455
00:20:43,637 --> 00:20:46,939
I saw this sign on a
glass window and it said,
456
00:20:46,973 --> 00:20:48,175
"Are you looking for employ?"
457
00:20:48,208 --> 00:20:49,976
I said yes, so he
hired me right there.
458
00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:51,245
- [Scotty] Right then and there.
459
00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:53,012
The moment he walked
in, he was on his,
460
00:20:53,045 --> 00:20:55,249
he was on his first
trick, right, within a,
461
00:20:55,282 --> 00:20:57,584
within an hour. (laughs)
462
00:20:58,685 --> 00:21:00,254
- Customers please, Scott.
463
00:21:01,522 --> 00:21:05,459
- I must have given you this
card 60 years ago, right?
464
00:21:05,492 --> 00:21:09,396
These are basically business
people out of New York.
465
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:11,632
Don't forget, I was fixing
an awful lot of people up
466
00:21:11,665 --> 00:21:13,467
that weren't famous, too.
467
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:14,468
This is just a backup.
468
00:21:14,501 --> 00:21:16,035
So when you go to New York,
469
00:21:16,068 --> 00:21:17,237
in case something happens
with the deal you got,
470
00:21:17,271 --> 00:21:19,740
you got somethin' to fall back
on for a ticket back home,
471
00:21:19,773 --> 00:21:20,574
you know?
472
00:21:20,607 --> 00:21:21,508
What the hell.
473
00:21:21,542 --> 00:21:23,177
- Well, this is a program
474
00:21:24,344 --> 00:21:27,013
from a Shakespeare's
Memorial Theater.
475
00:21:27,046 --> 00:21:28,147
Charlie autographed it for me.
476
00:21:28,182 --> 00:21:30,451
He said, "Lee, to Lee, who
bawled the hell out of me
477
00:21:30,484 --> 00:21:32,352
"until I did this.
478
00:21:32,386 --> 00:21:34,421
"Gratefully, Charles Laughton."
479
00:21:34,455 --> 00:21:35,456
That's Charlie here,
480
00:21:36,623 --> 00:21:37,424
King Lear.
481
00:21:38,592 --> 00:21:40,427
- Lee was Charles
Laughton's favorite,
482
00:21:40,461 --> 00:21:43,230
and Charles loved
Lee, really he did.
483
00:21:43,263 --> 00:21:45,299
- [Lee] Charlie, he
was a beautiful man.
484
00:21:45,332 --> 00:21:46,233
He really was.
485
00:21:46,266 --> 00:21:47,401
- [Woman] Hello, Charles.
486
00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:48,435
How are you?
- Hello, gentlemen.
487
00:21:48,469 --> 00:21:49,703
- How do you do?
- Hello, Elsie.
488
00:21:49,736 --> 00:21:51,438
- [Lee] And whenever he
had problems with Elsie,
489
00:21:51,472 --> 00:21:54,073
he'd call me up and we'd
go have dinner some place.
490
00:21:54,106 --> 00:21:55,509
- Hello, come on in.
- Come on.
491
00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:57,511
- [Lee] I was a good listener.
492
00:21:57,544 --> 00:22:00,447
- [Matt] What did Charles
like to do sexually?
493
00:22:00,481 --> 00:22:03,517
- He just likes to
suck cock. (laughs)
494
00:22:03,550 --> 00:22:04,384
- That's right.
495
00:22:04,418 --> 00:22:07,421
(lively jazz music)
496
00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,326
Charles Laughton and I
were very close from,
497
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,628
way back from World War
II and up until he died.
498
00:22:16,663 --> 00:22:19,566
I saw him myself and
fixed him up with tricks.
499
00:22:22,636 --> 00:22:24,671
Charles was going to England,
I drove him to the airport.
500
00:22:24,705 --> 00:22:26,440
And Charles, he
gave me an envelope
501
00:22:26,473 --> 00:22:28,375
and I looked at it later,
it was a thousand dollars.
502
00:22:28,408 --> 00:22:31,278
It's ten $100 bills
that he gave to me.
503
00:22:32,412 --> 00:22:34,481
That's just being,
being nice, you know.
504
00:22:34,515 --> 00:22:37,451
I certainly didn't
ever ask for it.
505
00:22:37,484 --> 00:22:40,687
(lively upbeat jazz music)
506
00:22:40,721 --> 00:22:43,457
The world was different
then than it is now.
507
00:22:48,629 --> 00:22:51,465
(birds chirping)
508
00:23:02,576 --> 00:23:03,610
You know, every
four or five days
509
00:23:03,644 --> 00:23:05,412
you gotta run this up, you know.
510
00:23:06,179 --> 00:23:08,649
(clock winding)
511
00:23:09,816 --> 00:23:12,452
This is a little house
that I paid $22,000 for,
512
00:23:12,486 --> 00:23:14,755
about 52 years ago.
513
00:23:14,788 --> 00:23:18,358
$22,000 for the
house in $20 bills.
514
00:23:19,526 --> 00:23:23,129
You know, those $20
add up quick. (laughs)
515
00:23:24,498 --> 00:23:27,200
There are some pretty things
in here, you know, but...
516
00:23:28,869 --> 00:23:30,404
Underneath it all, I meant.
517
00:23:32,506 --> 00:23:33,373
I lived here with Bette
518
00:23:33,407 --> 00:23:37,143
for just a dash over
50 years, I guess.
519
00:23:37,177 --> 00:23:38,845
Bette was my first wife.
520
00:23:38,879 --> 00:23:40,814
You might say that
we were common-law.
521
00:23:40,847 --> 00:23:42,816
We never really married.
522
00:23:44,418 --> 00:23:46,753
And, and as many years
as I've been here,
523
00:23:46,787 --> 00:23:50,257
I rarely ever stayed
here, considering my work.
524
00:23:51,525 --> 00:23:53,560
There were some years
I might be here one
525
00:23:53,594 --> 00:23:55,495
and two nights in a year.
526
00:23:58,665 --> 00:24:01,335
There are some nice
little goodies in here.
527
00:24:01,368 --> 00:24:03,770
These are, these things in
the house are called goodies.
528
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,343
Bette had it very
nice, really, she did.
529
00:24:09,376 --> 00:24:10,377
It's me that fucked it up.
530
00:24:13,547 --> 00:24:15,649
And then that's Donna
when she was a little girl
531
00:24:15,682 --> 00:24:17,384
that a friend of mine painted.
532
00:24:21,388 --> 00:24:22,656
I'm rarely here.
533
00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:24,591
I come up, get the mail,
get some phone calls and,
534
00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:27,561
and other than that, I
don't even come here.
535
00:24:27,594 --> 00:24:28,929
- [Answering
Machine] Message two.
536
00:24:28,962 --> 00:24:31,198
- [Gerard] Hey, Scotty,
it's Gerard from Book Soup.
537
00:24:31,231 --> 00:24:32,599
We were wondering
if you could come in
538
00:24:32,633 --> 00:24:35,302
and sign some books for
us when you get a chance.
539
00:24:36,336 --> 00:24:37,170
Thanks.
540
00:24:39,439 --> 00:24:42,275
(birds chirping)
541
00:24:43,443 --> 00:24:44,945
- [Man] West Hollywood
Book Fair this weekend,
542
00:24:44,978 --> 00:24:48,548
so we wanted to take
some signed stock back.
543
00:24:48,582 --> 00:24:51,718
(woman chattering)
544
00:24:57,958 --> 00:25:00,159
- Boy, they have a book
on everything here.
545
00:25:00,827 --> 00:25:02,763
Randolph Scott, Cary Grant.
546
00:25:02,796 --> 00:25:04,498
What was so funny is they,
547
00:25:04,531 --> 00:25:06,767
they lived right behind
the Chateau Marmont there.
548
00:25:07,634 --> 00:25:09,503
And they lived at the beach too,
549
00:25:09,536 --> 00:25:11,938
they lived right at
Santa Monica Beach.
550
00:25:11,972 --> 00:25:13,240
And they lived
together, of course,
551
00:25:13,273 --> 00:25:14,341
people said they were roommates.
552
00:25:14,374 --> 00:25:15,509
Okay, we're roommates.
553
00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:18,745
I mean lot of people who are
lovers are roommates too.
554
00:25:18,779 --> 00:25:20,814
- Well, I feel it's
about time for a dip.
555
00:25:23,717 --> 00:25:27,654
(lighthearted orchestral music)
556
00:25:27,688 --> 00:25:30,724
- Young man, is that
Johnny Weissmuller?
557
00:25:30,757 --> 00:25:32,626
- No, I wish it were.
558
00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:35,195
(drum roll)
559
00:25:39,566 --> 00:25:42,736
(lighthearted orchestral music)
560
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:43,970
- [Scotty] Back in those days,
561
00:25:44,004 --> 00:25:46,239
people knew they were
lovers and together.
562
00:25:46,273 --> 00:25:47,607
Then, all of a sudden,
as years go by,
563
00:25:47,641 --> 00:25:48,842
they're kinda, "How
dare you talk that way?"
564
00:25:48,875 --> 00:25:50,577
But I'm not talking about them,
565
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:52,746
I'm just saying they're great
guys, you know, both of them.
566
00:25:55,415 --> 00:25:57,284
(moves into soft piano music)
567
00:25:57,317 --> 00:25:59,686
I'd been with them
individually and both of them,
568
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,954
what you call a three-way,
569
00:26:00,987 --> 00:26:03,657
and I've also
brought another buddy
570
00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:05,559
for them to where
there were four of us,
571
00:26:05,592 --> 00:26:06,626
you know, two-and-two.
572
00:26:07,527 --> 00:26:10,731
(soft jazz music)
573
00:26:10,764 --> 00:26:13,333
Before he became an
actor, a known actor,
574
00:26:13,366 --> 00:26:15,902
Cary Grant was living with
Orry Kelly in New York,
575
00:26:15,936 --> 00:26:17,003
who was a mad queen.
576
00:26:17,971 --> 00:26:20,807
Orry Kelly was a dress designer.
577
00:26:20,841 --> 00:26:23,376
Actually, he got three
Oscars for dress design.
578
00:26:24,678 --> 00:26:26,747
- Some Like It Hot.
579
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:27,781
Orry Kelly!
580
00:26:27,814 --> 00:26:29,549
- [Scotty] Then he came
out here and lived here
581
00:26:29,583 --> 00:26:31,384
for a year and a half together.
582
00:26:31,418 --> 00:26:33,687
Then he met Randolph
Scott and left Orry,
583
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,422
dropped him like a hot potato,
584
00:26:36,389 --> 00:26:37,758
because he wanted to steer clear
585
00:26:37,791 --> 00:26:39,559
for fear they might
think he's gay,
586
00:26:39,593 --> 00:26:41,728
if he's with someone
who's known to be gay.
587
00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:47,834
(upbeat jazz orchestral music)
588
00:26:50,937 --> 00:26:52,572
- When Hollywood began,
589
00:26:52,606 --> 00:26:55,675
when the studio system
really got, got rolling,
590
00:26:55,709 --> 00:26:57,844
Hollywood was a
rollicking place,
591
00:26:57,878 --> 00:26:59,946
there were very, very few rules.
592
00:27:02,015 --> 00:27:05,786
It was a haven for people
who lived larger than life,
593
00:27:05,819 --> 00:27:09,022
had radical views
about sex or politics.
594
00:27:09,055 --> 00:27:11,725
And there were, you know,
lot of same-sex cohabitation,
595
00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:13,627
people, men and
women living together
596
00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:14,928
who weren't getting married.
597
00:27:14,961 --> 00:27:18,398
The kind of rules that,
and, and strict moral code
598
00:27:18,431 --> 00:27:19,533
that we associate with Hollywood
599
00:27:19,566 --> 00:27:22,402
came in place in the 1930s
with the production code.
600
00:27:22,435 --> 00:27:26,907
- It's vulgar, it's cheap
and the tawdry is out!
601
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:30,744
There is no room on
the screen at any time
602
00:27:30,777 --> 00:27:33,680
for pictures which offend
against common decency,
603
00:27:34,815 --> 00:27:37,517
and these, the industry
will not allow.
604
00:27:37,551 --> 00:27:40,353
- With the production code
came morals clauses in,
605
00:27:40,387 --> 00:27:41,755
in people's contracts.
606
00:27:42,722 --> 00:27:44,524
(soft piano music)
607
00:27:44,558 --> 00:27:45,826
Hollywood had adopted
608
00:27:45,859 --> 00:27:49,095
a very different
relationship with the public.
609
00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:51,731
It was really about, we're
just like all of you.
610
00:27:54,568 --> 00:27:57,838
It was very important to
sell this myth to America,
611
00:27:57,871 --> 00:27:59,873
that the movie stars
were just good,
612
00:27:59,906 --> 00:28:02,342
honest, moral,
law-abiding citizens.
613
00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:05,745
- If it became public
that you were gay,
614
00:28:05,779 --> 00:28:08,782
you would be immediately fired.
615
00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:10,750
- When actors were under
contract to their studios,
616
00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:12,485
everything about their
life was defined:
617
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,688
how, what they wore, how
they wore their hair,
618
00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:16,623
you know, and they worked,
very, very, very hard.
619
00:28:16,656 --> 00:28:18,692
They made lots of movies a year.
620
00:28:18,725 --> 00:28:19,993
Where could they get a real life
621
00:28:20,026 --> 00:28:22,829
where they could just let
go and sort of undo the,
622
00:28:22,863 --> 00:28:25,166
the belt, as it were,
and the, the constraints?
623
00:28:25,199 --> 00:28:26,766
Scotty gave them that.
624
00:28:27,901 --> 00:28:30,103
- Scotty was able to
provide a very real service
625
00:28:30,136 --> 00:28:32,405
to these people, who
otherwise were very restricted
626
00:28:32,439 --> 00:28:33,673
by this moral code.
627
00:28:34,541 --> 00:28:37,811
(slow dramatic music)
628
00:28:37,844 --> 00:28:40,680
(traffic humming)
629
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,822
- Now, this is a fucking
low-flush toilet.
630
00:28:48,855 --> 00:28:50,523
This is not a good
toilet at all.
631
00:28:52,792 --> 00:28:53,827
That's a low-flush.
632
00:28:54,694 --> 00:28:55,495
Let's see.
633
00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:02,068
Not a bad-looking
toilet, but that,
634
00:29:02,102 --> 00:29:04,070
that's just a recent type.
635
00:29:04,104 --> 00:29:05,538
I would take it otherwise,
636
00:29:05,572 --> 00:29:06,873
but it's not that
good of a toilet.
637
00:29:15,815 --> 00:29:17,817
- [Matt] Where did
this hole come from?
638
00:29:17,851 --> 00:29:19,052
- Huh?
639
00:29:19,085 --> 00:29:20,820
- [Matt] This hole.
640
00:29:20,854 --> 00:29:23,890
- Oh, she had a rug on here,
641
00:29:23,924 --> 00:29:26,960
and the rug dry-rotted the wood.
642
00:29:26,993 --> 00:29:29,829
- I fell in, and it went
down up to here in this leg,
643
00:29:29,863 --> 00:29:31,064
and I couldn't get it out.
644
00:29:31,097 --> 00:29:32,233
- [Scotty] You can
see that circle.
645
00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:33,167
See the circle?
646
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,534
She had put a big carpet down.
647
00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,871
When you a carpet down,
it dry-rots below.
648
00:29:37,904 --> 00:29:39,139
- Anyway, I had to
call the neighbors
649
00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:41,508
to come and get me out.
650
00:29:41,541 --> 00:29:43,810
- [Scotty] So I gotta
replace all of that stuff.
651
00:29:45,545 --> 00:29:47,981
- [TV Reporter] Police got a
call that two hand grenades
652
00:29:48,014 --> 00:29:49,950
have been found in a fire pit
653
00:29:49,983 --> 00:29:52,018
in the backyard of this house.
654
00:29:54,288 --> 00:29:56,089
- He's just collecting things.
655
00:29:56,122 --> 00:29:58,591
He never did this before.
656
00:29:58,625 --> 00:29:59,926
Never.
657
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,728
So it's just since
we've been here.
658
00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:07,667
- I have every copy
of Playboy Magazine
659
00:30:07,701 --> 00:30:09,669
since Playboy came out.
660
00:30:09,703 --> 00:30:10,971
- [Matt] Where are they?
661
00:30:11,004 --> 00:30:13,940
- Over at the other house,
stacked in the basement.
662
00:30:13,974 --> 00:30:15,108
- [Lois] There's no room here.
663
00:30:15,141 --> 00:30:16,509
- Well, you know,
you know how much,
664
00:30:16,543 --> 00:30:18,245
I got stacks this high
for Christ's sake.
665
00:30:19,846 --> 00:30:22,249
- [Matt] Tell me about
these photos on the wall.
666
00:30:22,283 --> 00:30:24,884
Lois, are they your family?
667
00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:28,621
- [Lois] That's my mother and
my brother and I up there.
668
00:30:28,655 --> 00:30:29,723
That's me.
669
00:30:29,756 --> 00:30:32,892
A long, long time ago. (laughs)
670
00:30:32,926 --> 00:30:35,262
- [Scotty] We've been
together about 35 years.
671
00:30:35,296 --> 00:30:37,298
And that was Cindy.
672
00:30:37,331 --> 00:30:39,099
The god-dammed time goes.
673
00:30:40,867 --> 00:30:42,969
- [Lois] We met in
December of '80,
674
00:30:43,003 --> 00:30:45,105
we were married July '84.
675
00:30:45,138 --> 00:30:48,108
♪ It had to be you
676
00:30:52,246 --> 00:30:53,913
- [Scotty] A friend
of mine had a bar here
677
00:30:53,947 --> 00:30:58,252
on Robinson called Alberto's
and I met her in there.
678
00:30:59,253 --> 00:31:00,620
She was singing
at the piano bar.
679
00:31:02,256 --> 00:31:05,259
♪ Could make me feel bad
680
00:31:05,292 --> 00:31:07,027
♪ Even be glad
681
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,895
♪ Just to be sad
682
00:31:08,928 --> 00:31:12,065
♪ Thinkin' of you
683
00:31:12,098 --> 00:31:15,902
♪ Some others I've seen
684
00:31:15,935 --> 00:31:19,240
♪ Might never be mean
685
00:31:19,273 --> 00:31:20,974
♪ Might never be cross
686
00:31:21,007 --> 00:31:23,743
I'm singing at Alberto's.
687
00:31:23,777 --> 00:31:26,846
He came past me one night and
said, "I love your singing."
688
00:31:28,081 --> 00:31:31,918
I don't know, he looked
like a, an old leprechaun.
689
00:31:31,951 --> 00:31:34,788
I mean, it was the dickens
in his eyes, you know.
690
00:31:34,821 --> 00:31:36,022
(laughs) I don't know.
691
00:31:36,056 --> 00:31:38,124
♪ Wonderful you
692
00:31:38,158 --> 00:31:41,628
♪ It had to be you
693
00:31:41,661 --> 00:31:44,731
♪ It had to be you
694
00:31:44,764 --> 00:31:47,834
(audience clapping)
695
00:31:55,176 --> 00:31:57,211
- [Matt] Is that the paperback?
696
00:31:57,244 --> 00:31:58,945
- Yeah, it is.
697
00:31:58,978 --> 00:32:01,114
For a paperback it's
kinda nice, you know.
698
00:32:01,147 --> 00:32:02,216
- Honey?
- What?
699
00:32:02,249 --> 00:32:03,850
- Didn't you get a
box of these home?
700
00:32:03,883 --> 00:32:06,187
- [Scotty] He took
eight books out of here.
701
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:08,088
Another good title
would've been,
702
00:32:08,121 --> 00:32:10,257
How To Make People Happy.
- Mm hm.
703
00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:12,359
- Same thing as the,
the real book, yeah.
704
00:32:14,694 --> 00:32:16,029
- [Matt] Lois, do you
think you'll be tempted
705
00:32:16,062 --> 00:32:17,164
to read one of them?
706
00:32:17,198 --> 00:32:18,031
- No, she won't.
707
00:32:19,233 --> 00:32:20,800
She won't read those
goddamn things.
708
00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:22,035
Are you kidding?
709
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:26,307
If she read the book,
she'd jump off the balcony.
710
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:27,841
She'd jump out the window.
711
00:32:29,109 --> 00:32:32,379
- [Matt] You're not planning
on reading it, why not?
712
00:32:32,413 --> 00:32:33,780
- Well, two reasons.
713
00:32:33,813 --> 00:32:36,183
I don't, I didn't know him then.
714
00:32:36,217 --> 00:32:38,285
I don't know him as that person.
715
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,720
And not sure I want to.
716
00:32:40,753 --> 00:32:41,821
(Scotty laughs)
717
00:32:41,855 --> 00:32:43,224
And I'm not interested
in Hollywood
718
00:32:44,458 --> 00:32:46,159
shenanigans.
719
00:32:46,193 --> 00:32:47,694
I'm just not.
720
00:32:47,727 --> 00:32:49,629
I guess I feel some,
721
00:32:52,466 --> 00:32:54,968
I don't know how you'd put it,
722
00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:56,970
regret.
- Regret?
723
00:32:57,003 --> 00:32:58,738
- That he didn't say something.
724
00:32:58,771 --> 00:33:00,140
- [Scotty] What do you
mean, say something?
725
00:33:00,174 --> 00:33:03,377
- Before, when I first knew you,
726
00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:06,846
about your life prior
to my meeting you.
727
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,282
- [Scotty] You never
told me about your life
728
00:33:08,315 --> 00:33:09,183
prior to me meeting you.
729
00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:10,417
I never asked.
- Ain't nothing to tell.
730
00:33:10,451 --> 00:33:11,418
- [Scotty] Well, you never know.
731
00:33:11,452 --> 00:33:13,052
I mean you could've been
a hooker, I don't know.
732
00:33:13,086 --> 00:33:14,120
- You know what
I'm talking about.
733
00:33:14,154 --> 00:33:15,222
Stop being silly.
734
00:33:15,256 --> 00:33:16,022
- [Scotty] You could've
been a hooker and something.
735
00:33:16,055 --> 00:33:17,790
I never asked you,
you know that.
736
00:33:17,824 --> 00:33:19,058
I'm not that type--
737
00:33:19,092 --> 00:33:20,394
- Well, apparently, it
didn't matter to you.
738
00:33:20,427 --> 00:33:22,263
It might have mattered to me.
739
00:33:25,332 --> 00:33:28,101
(birds chirping)
740
00:33:29,869 --> 00:33:33,174
(slow soft music)
741
00:33:33,207 --> 00:33:35,808
- Yeah, you know, the
god-dammed toilet.
742
00:33:35,842 --> 00:33:37,010
I didn't get it right away.
743
00:33:37,043 --> 00:33:39,913
I got so much yesterday,
yesterday afternoon.
744
00:33:39,946 --> 00:33:40,847
And, and...
745
00:33:43,116 --> 00:33:46,152
You never know when you're
gonna need it, baby. (laughs)
746
00:33:48,255 --> 00:33:51,192
I used to take care
of Beach's houses.
747
00:33:51,225 --> 00:33:54,461
Beach Dickerson owned about
18 or 19 houses up here.
748
00:33:54,495 --> 00:33:55,828
And I maintained them.
749
00:33:55,862 --> 00:33:56,930
I did all the plumbing
in all of them.
750
00:33:56,963 --> 00:33:59,266
I mean, see, see Beach
could count on me to do it,
751
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,833
and do it right.
752
00:34:02,101 --> 00:34:04,271
Originally, Beach met
me at the gas station,
753
00:34:04,305 --> 00:34:05,905
then we became friends.
754
00:34:08,209 --> 00:34:10,877
This was his house and he
lived here all those years.
755
00:34:12,246 --> 00:34:17,218
Beach was originally
from Glennville, Georgia,
756
00:34:18,319 --> 00:34:20,221
went in the Army,
ended up in California,
757
00:34:20,254 --> 00:34:22,189
and stayed here,
and became kind of
758
00:34:22,223 --> 00:34:23,957
what you call a
half-assed actor.
759
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:25,459
I still get checks.
760
00:34:25,492 --> 00:34:29,296
$1.80, $2.25 for little
things he was in.
761
00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:30,830
You know what I mean?
762
00:34:30,863 --> 00:34:33,967
- [Announcer] The Creature
From the Haunted Sea!
763
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,305
(dramatic theatrical music)
764
00:34:38,339 --> 00:34:40,274
- [Scotty] Oh, they
were class C movies
765
00:34:40,307 --> 00:34:42,209
by Roger Corman many years ago:
766
00:34:42,243 --> 00:34:44,010
The Attack of the Crab Monster
767
00:34:44,043 --> 00:34:46,145
and Creatures of
the Haunted Sea.
768
00:34:47,348 --> 00:34:49,483
(soft orchestral music)
769
00:34:49,516 --> 00:34:54,488
Beach was my steady number-one
person that I would see.
770
00:34:56,523 --> 00:34:59,260
Oh, that's Lois's, the
Columbia University,
771
00:34:59,293 --> 00:35:01,094
City of New York, Lois Broad.
772
00:35:02,196 --> 00:35:04,897
(soft orchestral music)
773
00:35:04,931 --> 00:35:07,534
Beach owned about eight,
eight thoroughbred horses.
774
00:35:08,868 --> 00:35:10,504
And the only horse
he ever had that won,
775
00:35:10,537 --> 00:35:13,039
he named the horse
Hollywood Scott.
776
00:35:13,072 --> 00:35:15,875
And that was the only horse
he ever had that won a race.
777
00:35:17,211 --> 00:35:21,248
- Beach Dickerson owned a house
up where I'd walk my dogs.
778
00:35:21,282 --> 00:35:22,949
I said, "I understand, you know,
779
00:35:22,982 --> 00:35:25,219
"we have a mutual
friend, Scotty Bower."
780
00:35:25,252 --> 00:35:26,353
He said, "Yeah."
781
00:35:26,387 --> 00:35:28,355
He said, "Scotty's my lover."
782
00:35:28,389 --> 00:35:30,056
I said, "Well,
that's news to me.
783
00:35:30,089 --> 00:35:33,960
"I didn't know Scotty had
a, a gay lover up here."
784
00:35:33,993 --> 00:35:36,896
And he said, "Oh,
yeah." (laughs)
785
00:35:36,929 --> 00:35:39,999
- [Scotty] Here's
Jennifer Aniston.
786
00:35:40,033 --> 00:35:41,535
Here's Beach.
787
00:35:41,568 --> 00:35:43,370
Every one of these
girls are actresses,
788
00:35:43,404 --> 00:35:44,804
and they all lived here.
789
00:35:45,972 --> 00:35:47,408
And this was taken out
on the patio there.
790
00:35:47,441 --> 00:35:50,277
Elvis Presley and
a girl they were,
791
00:35:50,311 --> 00:35:52,111
when he worked on
a show with Elvis.
792
00:35:54,181 --> 00:35:56,216
There's Beach and
Corbin Bernsen.
793
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,252
- [Jack] He was Beach's godson.
794
00:35:58,285 --> 00:36:00,487
He was on LA Law
and a few things.
795
00:36:02,021 --> 00:36:04,891
- Beach left me two annuities,
796
00:36:04,924 --> 00:36:07,394
plus $300,000, plus two houses,
797
00:36:07,428 --> 00:36:08,995
which was quite nice.
798
00:36:11,064 --> 00:36:13,167
He left me this
house, another house
799
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,270
around the corner
down there to sell.
800
00:36:17,471 --> 00:36:18,871
And the house that he left me,
801
00:36:18,905 --> 00:36:20,940
I sold for a little
bit over $600,000.
802
00:36:22,409 --> 00:36:25,446
The will was made out that I
have this house until I die.
803
00:36:25,479 --> 00:36:28,649
Then when I die, and I,
I've gotta be really dead,
804
00:36:28,682 --> 00:36:32,018
then, and may not happen,
then fuckin' Corbin gets it.
805
00:36:32,051 --> 00:36:34,087
See? (laughs)
806
00:36:35,656 --> 00:36:36,956
Corbin, when Beach died,
807
00:36:36,989 --> 00:36:38,258
Corbin was gonna rent a yacht
808
00:36:38,292 --> 00:36:41,094
and spread the ashes at
sea and have a big party.
809
00:36:41,127 --> 00:36:43,996
He wanted something like
$35,000 from the estate,
810
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:45,332
and I said,
811
00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:46,467
don't give him a fucking dime.
812
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,334
That's all bullshit.
813
00:36:47,368 --> 00:36:48,402
You know what I mean?
814
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:51,971
Right now, Beach's
ashes are down in,
815
00:36:52,004 --> 00:36:53,640
in Pat's garage in
the trunk of his car
816
00:36:53,674 --> 00:36:56,610
where they've been for
the last five years.
817
00:36:56,643 --> 00:36:58,445
We were always gonna
do something with them,
818
00:36:58,479 --> 00:36:59,380
I don't know what.
819
00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:02,549
And then, then Pat
died and they're still
820
00:37:02,583 --> 00:37:05,252
in the trunk of
the car down there.
821
00:37:05,285 --> 00:37:08,988
(crickets chirping)
822
00:37:09,021 --> 00:37:10,624
Hello kitty.
823
00:37:10,657 --> 00:37:14,328
Did you know cats
hate scented litter?
824
00:37:15,995 --> 00:37:17,364
Look.
825
00:37:17,398 --> 00:37:19,031
There, look at
those, those eyes.
826
00:37:19,065 --> 00:37:21,100
You gotta say they're
cute little things.
827
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:26,206
David called and said
they've got a check
828
00:37:27,608 --> 00:37:31,445
from the publishing
company for $188,000.
829
00:37:31,478 --> 00:37:33,313
That guy from the office said,
830
00:37:33,347 --> 00:37:35,014
"Is it okay to
send to the house?"
831
00:37:35,047 --> 00:37:36,483
I said yes, so
they'll send it here.
832
00:37:36,517 --> 00:37:38,419
- I just wonder how they do it.
833
00:37:38,452 --> 00:37:40,086
Do they have an accounting?
834
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:41,688
Do we know how many
books were sold?
835
00:37:41,722 --> 00:37:45,359
Do we know what are
his percentages?
836
00:37:45,392 --> 00:37:46,959
Nothing.
837
00:37:46,993 --> 00:37:48,729
- Well, whatever you
get helps, you know.
838
00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:50,297
I mean, what the hell.
839
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:52,366
- No, I'd just like to
know how many books,
840
00:37:52,399 --> 00:37:55,469
and how much do you get,
and how much do you get,
841
00:37:55,502 --> 00:37:57,371
and how much did
David get and...
842
00:37:57,404 --> 00:37:59,239
- [Matt] That seems
like your policy.
843
00:37:59,273 --> 00:38:00,674
The money takes care of itself.
844
00:38:00,707 --> 00:38:01,775
- That's right.
845
00:38:01,809 --> 00:38:04,010
Do you know there are a
couple of old Jewish ladies
846
00:38:04,043 --> 00:38:05,579
in Beverly Hills who have money,
847
00:38:05,612 --> 00:38:10,350
that years ago I worked, I
worked for them for $5 an hour.
848
00:38:10,384 --> 00:38:12,519
I go to work from them
now, they have money.
849
00:38:12,553 --> 00:38:15,255
They hand me $20. I'm
there five or six hours.
850
00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:16,590
I give them a kiss
and say thank you,
851
00:38:16,623 --> 00:38:18,392
like everything is okay, right?
852
00:38:19,326 --> 00:38:20,461
Perfectly all right.
853
00:38:20,494 --> 00:38:22,229
- But they're laughing
at you. (laughs)
854
00:38:22,262 --> 00:38:23,630
- Everything works out.
855
00:38:23,664 --> 00:38:25,097
Things always work out.
856
00:38:25,131 --> 00:38:26,567
They, they, you know...
857
00:38:28,502 --> 00:38:31,505
(jazzy piano music)
858
00:38:42,583 --> 00:38:46,587
- [Man] So Scotty, we are all
big fans of your services.
859
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,189
- There's Polish,
French, and Spanish now.
860
00:38:50,122 --> 00:38:51,592
- We can get a German. (laughs)
861
00:38:51,625 --> 00:38:52,392
- Well, they're going,
862
00:38:52,426 --> 00:38:53,360
they're going to
German and Italian
863
00:38:53,393 --> 00:38:55,161
in about two or three months.
- Oh, yeah?
864
00:38:55,195 --> 00:38:56,563
- Ya.
- How cool.
865
00:38:56,597 --> 00:38:59,399
- You know somebody
emailed me just a week ago,
866
00:38:59,433 --> 00:39:00,801
and was asking, you know,
867
00:39:00,834 --> 00:39:02,469
"Have you guys thought
of doing something
868
00:39:02,503 --> 00:39:04,605
"with that guy Scotty Bowers?"
869
00:39:04,638 --> 00:39:06,573
and, "He's so cute."
870
00:39:06,607 --> 00:39:08,509
Did you pose for Bob Mizer?
871
00:39:08,542 --> 00:39:10,644
- No, but I had many
guys pose for Bob Mizer.
872
00:39:10,677 --> 00:39:15,582
Bob Mizer was kind of the
number one queen of guys.
873
00:39:15,616 --> 00:39:17,284
(upbeat jazz music)
874
00:39:17,317 --> 00:39:19,586
You know, Bob Mizer was
the number one photographer
875
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:20,621
of boys at the time.
876
00:39:22,121 --> 00:39:25,425
(upbeat jazz music)
877
00:39:25,459 --> 00:39:26,827
- [Dian] The
stories about Ewell.
878
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:28,328
Did you know Tom Ewell?
879
00:39:28,362 --> 00:39:30,430
- [Scotty] Oh yeah,
I knew Tom very well.
880
00:39:30,464 --> 00:39:32,599
But Tom was a mad one.
881
00:39:32,633 --> 00:39:33,800
- [Dian] That's what we heard.
882
00:39:33,834 --> 00:39:36,603
He was in The Seven Year Itch.
883
00:39:37,738 --> 00:39:40,106
He was an everyman.
884
00:39:40,139 --> 00:39:41,107
- Tom Ewell,
885
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:42,309
a lot of people didn't
even know he was gay.
886
00:39:42,342 --> 00:39:43,577
But Tom, he could see 20 guys,
887
00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:45,779
one right after the
other, and want more.
888
00:39:47,146 --> 00:39:50,551
So, I called them
big users. (laughs)
889
00:39:50,584 --> 00:39:53,754
The three, what you call big
users, three of them were:
890
00:39:55,154 --> 00:39:55,789
Tom Ewell
891
00:39:57,658 --> 00:39:59,192
and Ramon Novarro
892
00:39:59,226 --> 00:40:01,562
and Cole Porter.
893
00:40:01,595 --> 00:40:04,464
Cole Porter would say,
"Can you bring 15 guys by?
894
00:40:04,498 --> 00:40:07,634
"I wanna suck 15 guys off,
one right after the other."
895
00:40:07,668 --> 00:40:10,437
♪ You're the top
896
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:13,240
♪ You're Mahatma Gandhi
897
00:40:13,273 --> 00:40:15,609
♪ You're the top
898
00:40:15,642 --> 00:40:18,712
♪ You're napoleon brandy
899
00:40:18,745 --> 00:40:21,848
(moves into bluesy jazz music)
900
00:40:21,882 --> 00:40:25,218
- Normally, I would not
talk about it really,
901
00:40:25,252 --> 00:40:27,721
but people have often said,
902
00:40:27,754 --> 00:40:30,691
you couldn't have done
that many things in,
903
00:40:30,724 --> 00:40:33,527
in any given week, fixing
up that many people,
904
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,761
seeing that many people,
905
00:40:34,795 --> 00:40:36,128
doing this working
at the gas station.
906
00:40:36,163 --> 00:40:37,698
You're fucking right, I did it.
907
00:40:37,731 --> 00:40:40,901
I fucked Bette Davis in World
War II when she was married
908
00:40:40,934 --> 00:40:42,836
to a guy I used to
fix up with tricks.
909
00:40:42,869 --> 00:40:44,638
And we used to have
three-way deals.
910
00:40:45,939 --> 00:40:48,275
I went to bed with
J. Edgar Hoover.
911
00:40:48,308 --> 00:40:49,476
He was in drag.
912
00:40:49,509 --> 00:40:51,778
He was not a great
beauty either, you know,
913
00:40:51,812 --> 00:40:54,381
but I was treating him
just like he's a girl.
914
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:58,150
Judith Anderson was a
friend of Alex Tear.
915
00:40:58,185 --> 00:41:00,654
Alex had said, "I'm sending
Scotty over with a gift."
916
00:41:00,687 --> 00:41:01,588
"Where's the gift?"
917
00:41:01,622 --> 00:41:02,422
I'm the gift.
918
00:41:02,456 --> 00:41:03,824
You get what I mean?
919
00:41:03,857 --> 00:41:05,492
We finally go to bed together.
920
00:41:05,525 --> 00:41:07,427
But she was more
into girls than guys,
921
00:41:07,461 --> 00:41:09,463
because later I fixed
her up with girls.
922
00:41:10,597 --> 00:41:12,866
One day Cary Grant
was in the gas station
923
00:41:12,899 --> 00:41:15,268
and Rock Hudson just
happened to be there.
924
00:41:15,302 --> 00:41:16,637
Cary Grant picked him out,
925
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:19,206
so I fixed him up
with Rock for $20.
926
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,674
And Rock saw him several times.
927
00:41:20,707 --> 00:41:22,609
This is before
Rock had any money.
928
00:41:23,844 --> 00:41:25,779
And Laurence Olivier
and Vivien Leigh,
929
00:41:25,812 --> 00:41:27,814
I never tricked them together.
930
00:41:27,848 --> 00:41:29,516
I would fix them up with guys,
931
00:41:29,549 --> 00:41:32,619
and then I would see her
at George Cukor's house.
932
00:41:32,653 --> 00:41:34,955
She would come and
quietly open the gate,
933
00:41:34,988 --> 00:41:37,190
and all the way in it was,
"Shh, don't say a word."
934
00:41:37,224 --> 00:41:39,326
10 minutes later in the
bedroom as I'm fucking her,
935
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:40,827
she's screaming.
936
00:41:40,861 --> 00:41:41,695
- Whoo!
937
00:41:42,729 --> 00:41:43,697
- And Bill Holden,
938
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,566
I fixed him up with an
awful lot of girls too.
939
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,735
When they did Sunset
Boulevard right here
940
00:41:48,769 --> 00:41:51,571
with Gloria Swanson
and Bill Holden.
941
00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:54,608
And Bill called me and
said, come on over.
942
00:41:54,641 --> 00:41:55,776
- Goodbye, Norma.
943
00:41:55,809 --> 00:41:57,377
- [Scotty] They did night
scenes at the swimming pool,
944
00:41:57,411 --> 00:41:58,945
behind the big house
that was there.
945
00:41:58,979 --> 00:42:00,380
- [Gloria] Joe!
946
00:42:01,648 --> 00:42:03,617
- I went over and fucked
around all night long
947
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:05,318
while they were shooting
one little scene
948
00:42:05,352 --> 00:42:06,653
that could've taken
three minutes to shoot.
949
00:42:06,687 --> 00:42:08,689
And I said, "Bill,
forget that bullshit."
950
00:42:08,722 --> 00:42:10,957
(gun fires)
951
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,462
Hi Tony.
- Hello.
952
00:42:15,495 --> 00:42:17,330
- [Scotty] How are you, baby?
953
00:42:17,364 --> 00:42:20,300
- And we still, he
still comes to the house
954
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,668
and works for me.
- That's right.
955
00:42:21,702 --> 00:42:22,903
I still come and work here.
956
00:42:22,936 --> 00:42:24,504
- [Tony] But Scotty, you
can show them around.
957
00:42:24,538 --> 00:42:25,839
You know the house.
958
00:42:28,675 --> 00:42:30,844
- See how many Emmys
Tony has right here?
959
00:42:30,877 --> 00:42:31,712
Right there.
960
00:42:32,813 --> 00:42:34,781
(birds chirping)
961
00:42:34,815 --> 00:42:36,616
There are some gorgeous
paintings here.
962
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:41,288
Oh, (laughs) that's
a thing he did of me.
963
00:42:41,321 --> 00:42:42,656
(laughs)
964
00:42:42,689 --> 00:42:45,292
- Since he serviced
a lot of people,
965
00:42:45,325 --> 00:42:48,662
and we were having a party
on the Fourth of July,
966
00:42:48,695 --> 00:42:52,299
and so, I had to have
an American flag.
967
00:42:52,332 --> 00:42:57,337
And, of course, he did all of
his work with the telephone,
968
00:42:58,572 --> 00:43:00,674
and most of it in a bedroom.
969
00:43:00,707 --> 00:43:02,342
- I mean very clever, Tony,
970
00:43:02,375 --> 00:43:03,810
the way he thought
when he did it.
971
00:43:03,844 --> 00:43:07,681
- This is from a
Fourth of July event.
972
00:43:07,714 --> 00:43:09,649
That's Joe Kennedy from Paris,
973
00:43:09,683 --> 00:43:13,754
and he was Big Dick
Strauss, Richard Strauss.
974
00:43:13,787 --> 00:43:15,922
- [Scotty] Oh, yeah.
I remember him.
975
00:43:15,956 --> 00:43:18,792
- [Tony] We would
have a parade in drag.
976
00:43:18,825 --> 00:43:21,928
(bluesy jazz music)
977
00:43:31,905 --> 00:43:34,307
- [Scotty] Tony had
all kind of parties.
978
00:43:35,475 --> 00:43:39,079
You know me, I'm up
for anything. (laughs)
979
00:43:39,112 --> 00:43:42,749
I'm in it for anything,
anytime, you know what I mean?
980
00:43:42,783 --> 00:43:43,884
(laughs)
981
00:43:43,917 --> 00:43:46,920
(bluesy jazz music)
982
00:43:54,694 --> 00:43:55,629
Hi honey.
- Hi.
983
00:43:55,662 --> 00:43:57,397
- I got your car all
covered and everything.
984
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:59,800
Did you find
Hollywood Sheet Music?
985
00:43:59,833 --> 00:44:01,802
- No, I went to Chico's
instead. (laughs)
986
00:44:01,835 --> 00:44:03,470
- [Scotty] Oh. (laughs)
987
00:44:03,503 --> 00:44:05,705
- I'm going to a new
place to sing Sunday.
988
00:44:05,739 --> 00:44:06,740
- [Matt] Oh, where?
989
00:44:06,773 --> 00:44:07,874
What's it called?
- I don't know.
990
00:44:07,908 --> 00:44:08,842
- It's a fucking gay bar.
991
00:44:08,875 --> 00:44:11,378
- [Lois] It was beautiful.
992
00:44:11,411 --> 00:44:12,879
It was like a nightclub,
993
00:44:12,913 --> 00:44:14,748
and it felt very strange to be
there on a Sunday afternoon.
994
00:44:14,781 --> 00:44:16,583
- Yeah, it's a purple
lights and everything and--
995
00:44:16,616 --> 00:44:21,354
- But, it was filled
with gay guys,
996
00:44:21,388 --> 00:44:23,089
and I don't know how to react.
997
00:44:23,123 --> 00:44:24,925
I mean, you, you know, I
don't care what they do,
998
00:44:24,958 --> 00:44:28,061
but I don't like to be in
the middle of it, you know.
999
00:44:28,094 --> 00:44:32,866
- [Scotty] (laughs)
You didn't know.
1000
00:44:38,805 --> 00:44:40,841
- You know, I'm writing a book
1001
00:44:40,874 --> 00:44:43,410
about how gays are
treated in Hollywood.
1002
00:44:43,443 --> 00:44:46,646
So, when I came across your
book, I mean I was just amazed.
1003
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,014
- [Scotty] That's a
perfect one to ask, right?
1004
00:44:48,048 --> 00:44:48,849
- Exactly. (laughs)
1005
00:44:48,882 --> 00:44:49,916
- [Scotty] You
know, you're right.
1006
00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:52,085
- You're revealing a lot,
so that was the point.
1007
00:44:52,118 --> 00:44:54,521
The fact that at that
time, studio were trying to
1008
00:44:55,856 --> 00:44:57,424
secure what was happening
with their leads--
1009
00:44:57,457 --> 00:44:59,125
- Remember, at that time,
many people who were gay
1010
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,428
had jobs, that they
would lose their jobs
1011
00:45:01,461 --> 00:45:02,996
if they were exposed in any way.
1012
00:45:04,598 --> 00:45:08,034
After World War II, the vice
squad was red-hot in this town.
1013
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:11,972
They were picking
up guys for nothing.
1014
00:45:16,076 --> 00:45:21,081
- It wasn't fun, sitting in
a gay bar on Melrose in 1962
1015
00:45:21,948 --> 00:45:23,516
waiting for the police to raid.
1016
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:24,784
They'd go in there
and they'd say,
1017
00:45:24,818 --> 00:45:26,953
"We have a quota of
eight for tonight."
1018
00:45:28,688 --> 00:45:31,124
And you know, to be
beaten up in public parks,
1019
00:45:31,157 --> 00:45:33,727
or have an effeminate friend
1020
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,062
viciously attacked
going down the street.
1021
00:45:37,631 --> 00:45:41,101
- It's probably hard for people
who were born the last 20,
1022
00:45:41,134 --> 00:45:44,104
30, perhaps even 40
years to fully grasp
1023
00:45:44,137 --> 00:45:46,907
how difficult it was.
1024
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:48,642
Not only was it hard for them
1025
00:45:48,675 --> 00:45:49,910
to find someone to fall in love,
1026
00:45:49,943 --> 00:45:52,812
but if they tried,
they could go to jail,
1027
00:45:52,846 --> 00:45:54,447
they could go to a institution
1028
00:45:54,481 --> 00:45:57,184
where they might be
castrated or lobotomized.
1029
00:45:57,218 --> 00:46:00,854
This was a terrible,
terrible time for people.
1030
00:46:02,022 --> 00:46:03,823
- Crush the monster.
1031
00:46:03,857 --> 00:46:05,525
Crush homosexuality.
1032
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:08,528
Homosexuality is, in
fact a mental illness,
1033
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:12,766
which has reached
epidemiological proportions.
1034
00:46:12,799 --> 00:46:14,067
- When we hear
about these stories
1035
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,002
of people being
arrested in the parks,
1036
00:46:16,036 --> 00:46:17,971
and we think, oh, they must
have been such degenerates
1037
00:46:18,004 --> 00:46:19,873
to be down there
having sex in public.
1038
00:46:19,906 --> 00:46:22,243
But in some cases, you
know, they were simply there
1039
00:46:22,276 --> 00:46:25,145
to meet someone like themselves.
1040
00:46:25,179 --> 00:46:28,915
Scotty was able to allow
these people to have lives
1041
00:46:28,949 --> 00:46:30,850
that were honest and authentic,
1042
00:46:30,884 --> 00:46:33,019
which is really what
they were seeking.
1043
00:46:35,021 --> 00:46:37,857
- I think what Scotty
did was kind of
1044
00:46:37,891 --> 00:46:40,026
an introduction service.
1045
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:43,763
People wanted something,
Scotty would get it for them.
1046
00:46:43,797 --> 00:46:47,767
Being exploited may be
true of prostitution,
1047
00:46:47,801 --> 00:46:49,102
but that wasn't what Scotty did.
1048
00:46:49,135 --> 00:46:50,937
It wasn't prostitution.
1049
00:46:52,572 --> 00:46:55,108
- Oh man!
- Hello, baby! (laughs)
1050
00:46:55,141 --> 00:46:58,979
- This man helped buy this house
1051
00:46:59,846 --> 00:47:02,749
in the darkest days of my life
1052
00:47:02,782 --> 00:47:05,186
when motion pictures sucked.
1053
00:47:05,219 --> 00:47:09,089
If it wasn't for this guy,
he, I'd be, I would have sank.
1054
00:47:10,557 --> 00:47:12,926
- You sweetheart. (laughs)
- I love you.
1055
00:47:12,959 --> 00:47:14,027
- Al, you sweet baby.
1056
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:15,095
- You have no idea.
1057
00:47:15,128 --> 00:47:17,063
He never took a
dime of my money.
1058
00:47:18,665 --> 00:47:22,936
He, he introduced me to
some great, nice people,
1059
00:47:22,969 --> 00:47:23,970
like John Schlessinger.
1060
00:47:25,339 --> 00:47:30,143
I was the least qualified
of all of his boys.
1061
00:47:31,011 --> 00:47:32,812
But I made a tidy sum, you know?
1062
00:47:32,846 --> 00:47:35,282
And like Scotty's
motto always was,
1063
00:47:35,316 --> 00:47:37,851
"That's 20 bucks I never had."
1064
00:47:37,884 --> 00:47:40,053
And that's his philosophy, and,
1065
00:47:40,086 --> 00:47:42,323
and that's why
he's so successful.
1066
00:47:42,356 --> 00:47:43,491
- That's right.
1067
00:47:43,523 --> 00:47:45,192
You, you know, I never took
a dime from anyone, right?
1068
00:47:45,226 --> 00:47:46,260
You bet.
- Yeah, never.
1069
00:47:46,293 --> 00:47:47,093
Never, never, never.
1070
00:47:47,127 --> 00:47:48,028
There's his book.
1071
00:47:48,061 --> 00:47:49,562
Oh, is this you, Scott?
1072
00:47:49,596 --> 00:47:51,165
This photo, that's you!
1073
00:47:51,198 --> 00:47:54,067
You were posing sometime
in the '50s or the '60s.
1074
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,101
- Yeah, that is me.
1075
00:47:55,135 --> 00:47:55,802
I remember.
1076
00:47:55,835 --> 00:47:57,003
Did you like the book at all?
1077
00:47:57,037 --> 00:47:58,172
Did you read it?
- Yeah!
1078
00:47:58,205 --> 00:48:02,108
Everybody's reading it, and
I tell them it's all true.
1079
00:48:03,843 --> 00:48:05,011
- You know, we were very close,
1080
00:48:05,045 --> 00:48:07,047
and I fixed him up with a
lot of good tricks, didn't I?
1081
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,184
- You bet, and some bad ones
too like Paul Lynde, the drunk.
1082
00:48:10,217 --> 00:48:11,684
- [Scotty] Oh,
remember Paul Lynde?
1083
00:48:11,718 --> 00:48:13,153
Remember Paul Lynde?
- (sighs) Ay-yai-yai.
1084
00:48:13,187 --> 00:48:14,321
- [Scotty] Jeez, Paul
was, Paul was wicked.
1085
00:48:14,355 --> 00:48:16,756
- And George Cukor,
the salivator.
1086
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:18,691
(laughs)
1087
00:48:18,725 --> 00:48:20,960
Yeah, we had some
great times. (laughs)
1088
00:48:20,994 --> 00:48:24,030
You know, I've tried working
for pimps and it's horrible.
1089
00:48:24,064 --> 00:48:25,799
Scotty was never a pimp.
1090
00:48:26,966 --> 00:48:29,803
He was a friend
doing another friend
1091
00:48:29,836 --> 00:48:32,072
a service and helping both ends.
1092
00:48:33,207 --> 00:48:35,642
And for that, I
really respect him.
1093
00:48:37,077 --> 00:48:39,012
- [Answering Machine]
Time not set.
1094
00:48:39,045 --> 00:48:40,314
Message two.
1095
00:48:40,347 --> 00:48:41,147
- [Dian] Hey, Scotty.
1096
00:48:41,182 --> 00:48:43,016
This is Dian Hanson.
1097
00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:44,251
Not sure if you remember me.
1098
00:48:44,285 --> 00:48:46,187
We met at the Benedict Passions
1099
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:50,056
and I'd like to talk to
you about a book project.
1100
00:48:50,090 --> 00:48:51,991
We'd like to have
you do some writing,
1101
00:48:52,025 --> 00:48:53,893
I would work with you on it.
1102
00:48:53,927 --> 00:48:57,697
It involves World War II,
so please give me a call.
1103
00:49:01,302 --> 00:49:04,238
(Scotty whistling)
1104
00:49:05,872 --> 00:49:10,177
- The Crossroads is (laughs)
same as it was, 75 years ago.
1105
00:49:11,278 --> 00:49:12,912
And, and on a
Saturday afternoon,
1106
00:49:12,946 --> 00:49:16,317
right here there'd be well over
1,000 servicemen in uniform.
1107
00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:19,018
And this was in 1942, this
was during World War II
1108
00:49:19,052 --> 00:49:21,121
when this took place.
1109
00:49:23,957 --> 00:49:25,259
- We recently
found these photos.
1110
00:49:25,292 --> 00:49:28,161
A guy contacted me,
a huge collection
1111
00:49:28,195 --> 00:49:31,131
of amateur photos
from World War II.
1112
00:49:31,165 --> 00:49:34,368
And we're gonna make
a book about this.
1113
00:49:34,401 --> 00:49:36,669
I'm thinking of
calling it My Buddy,
1114
00:49:36,703 --> 00:49:38,838
which is named after a song
1115
00:49:38,872 --> 00:49:40,274
that was popular
in World War II.
1116
00:49:40,307 --> 00:49:42,809
I mean, look at
these, walking along,
1117
00:49:42,842 --> 00:49:45,044
crossing a bridge
with their dogs.
1118
00:49:45,078 --> 00:49:45,979
- [Scotty] Everything and a hat,
1119
00:49:46,012 --> 00:49:47,914
and the whole bit,
and the rifle, and...
1120
00:49:47,947 --> 00:49:50,049
- [Dian] And then, I found this:
1121
00:49:50,083 --> 00:49:52,952
a man being consoled when
his buddy has been killed.
1122
00:49:52,986 --> 00:49:54,355
- That's right, and
it's got nothing to do
1123
00:49:54,388 --> 00:49:55,389
with the gay bit at all.
1124
00:49:55,422 --> 00:49:57,790
It's just buddy-buddy.
1125
00:49:58,992 --> 00:50:01,127
- [Dian] You offer
such a unique resource
1126
00:50:01,161 --> 00:50:03,264
'cause you were Marine
who was actually there.
1127
00:50:06,966 --> 00:50:08,269
- I don't know why he, you know,
1128
00:50:08,302 --> 00:50:10,171
that's not like him.
1129
00:50:10,204 --> 00:50:13,873
But you can see, it's
just falling apart.
1130
00:50:13,907 --> 00:50:15,074
It's dangerous.
1131
00:50:17,143 --> 00:50:17,977
Hello.
1132
00:50:23,184 --> 00:50:24,351
- It was Rod on the phone.
1133
00:50:24,385 --> 00:50:25,818
That fucking house sold,
1134
00:50:25,852 --> 00:50:27,720
I gotta get my stuff
out of that garage.
1135
00:50:27,754 --> 00:50:29,122
- [Lois] Oh my God.
1136
00:50:29,155 --> 00:50:30,291
- Within 10 days.
1137
00:50:49,809 --> 00:50:51,744
(laughs)
1138
00:50:51,778 --> 00:50:54,181
I'm young and
innocent-looking there,
1139
00:50:54,215 --> 00:50:57,218
though I wasn't, but. (laughs)
1140
00:50:57,251 --> 00:50:58,252
What's this?
1141
00:50:58,285 --> 00:50:59,085
This a picture.
1142
00:50:59,118 --> 00:50:59,919
Is this a picture too?
1143
00:51:00,954 --> 00:51:01,754
- [Matt] Can I see?
1144
00:51:01,788 --> 00:51:02,456
Can I see?
1145
00:51:02,489 --> 00:51:03,424
Which one are you?
1146
00:51:03,457 --> 00:51:05,259
- Right here, right there.
1147
00:51:05,292 --> 00:51:06,859
Here, here, here
I am right here.
1148
00:51:07,961 --> 00:51:10,264
That's my mother's
handwriting, I can see.
1149
00:51:10,297 --> 00:51:13,766
That teacher, Mrs.
Ham, Ham, Hammerhand,
1150
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,170
she was a nice lady
1151
00:51:16,203 --> 00:51:19,772
who liked a little
girl I was going with.
1152
00:51:19,806 --> 00:51:22,176
I used to fix her up with
a girl I was going with
1153
00:51:22,209 --> 00:51:24,245
because she was a dyke
and her brother was gay,
1154
00:51:24,278 --> 00:51:27,080
and I'd always trick
her brother. (laughs)
1155
00:51:27,113 --> 00:51:28,848
- [Matt] How old were you?
1156
00:51:28,881 --> 00:51:30,284
- Whatever I was there.
1157
00:51:30,317 --> 00:51:33,987
When I was 11, yeah, probably.
1158
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:36,022
- [Matt] You didn't have
any problem with that?
1159
00:51:36,055 --> 00:51:37,790
- Oh, no, fuck, are you kidding?
1160
00:51:37,824 --> 00:51:40,194
I never had a problem with
that shit at all, baby.
1161
00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:41,027
(laughs)
1162
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,263
Never.
1163
00:51:42,296 --> 00:51:45,232
I was always tricking, even
when I was very young, you know,
1164
00:51:45,266 --> 00:51:46,799
even back on the farm.
1165
00:51:48,202 --> 00:51:53,374
(birds chirping)
(slow soft music)
1166
00:51:55,342 --> 00:51:57,344
With the Depression
being at its full swing,
1167
00:51:57,378 --> 00:51:59,213
you couldn't make a
dime from the farm.
1168
00:52:02,283 --> 00:52:04,285
And certainly there, it
wasn't a lot of food.
1169
00:52:07,086 --> 00:52:08,855
My brother was two years older
1170
00:52:08,888 --> 00:52:10,524
and my sister was
two years younger.
1171
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:14,927
I had a very nice
childhood, a good childhood.
1172
00:52:16,363 --> 00:52:19,533
And that neighbor who had
two kids and everything,
1173
00:52:19,566 --> 00:52:21,602
and his wife was a
sweetheart, and he was too,
1174
00:52:21,635 --> 00:52:24,171
and I couldn't think of anything
but nice things about them.
1175
00:52:24,204 --> 00:52:25,272
Just because he
wanted to cuddle me
1176
00:52:25,306 --> 00:52:27,441
and hold me and jack off
me, nothing wrong with that.
1177
00:52:27,474 --> 00:52:29,976
I mean, there's nothing
wrong with that, baby.
1178
00:52:31,245 --> 00:52:33,247
- [Matt] Many people would
consider that child abuse.
1179
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,114
But you don't think
of yourself as abused?
1180
00:52:35,148 --> 00:52:35,982
- Being abused?
1181
00:52:36,015 --> 00:52:37,318
Absolutely not.
1182
00:52:37,351 --> 00:52:38,885
I mean, this is bullshit, Matt.
1183
00:52:40,321 --> 00:52:41,988
There's no such thing as
somebody ruining your life
1184
00:52:42,021 --> 00:52:43,223
when they suck your cock.
1185
00:52:43,257 --> 00:52:44,891
The only way that
they ruin your life
1186
00:52:44,924 --> 00:52:46,859
is when they run over you
with a bus on the street.
1187
00:52:46,893 --> 00:52:48,094
That can ruin your life.
1188
00:52:49,229 --> 00:52:50,397
And even as a little
bitty kid, Matt,
1189
00:52:50,431 --> 00:52:53,032
I never saw anything
wrong with anything.
1190
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:55,569
You know what, (laughs)
1191
00:52:55,602 --> 00:52:57,204
I went along with everything.
1192
00:52:58,205 --> 00:53:00,207
And I never told anybody.
1193
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,976
(dramatic theatrical music)
1194
00:53:07,281 --> 00:53:08,315
When we moved to Chicago,
1195
00:53:08,349 --> 00:53:10,016
my mother and
father had divorced,
1196
00:53:10,049 --> 00:53:11,851
and I ended up later
with a stepdad.
1197
00:53:13,086 --> 00:53:14,254
We moved directly
across the street
1198
00:53:14,288 --> 00:53:17,624
from Holy Angels Church on
Oakwood Boulevard in Chicago.
1199
00:53:17,658 --> 00:53:19,259
We had an old car
with a trailer,
1200
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:21,027
went loading, and a
priest introduced himself,
1201
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:23,029
and he, I could tell
by the look in his eye,
1202
00:53:23,062 --> 00:53:24,298
he kind of wanted me,
1203
00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:25,399
and I'm over there
staying all night
1204
00:53:25,432 --> 00:53:27,100
with him the first
night we're there.
1205
00:53:27,133 --> 00:53:29,503
And I thought, uh-oh, I
could pick up a few bucks.
1206
00:53:30,637 --> 00:53:33,607
Then he proceeded to
fix me up with friends.
1207
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,008
And through him, I'd
meet other priests
1208
00:53:36,042 --> 00:53:37,411
that I would go to their church.
1209
00:53:37,444 --> 00:53:42,383
Within weeks, I had seen
approximately 25 or 30 priests.
1210
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:44,284
They'd paid me off in change:
1211
00:53:44,318 --> 00:53:46,152
penny, nickels,
dimes, and quarters.
1212
00:53:46,186 --> 00:53:48,222
Whatever they got out of the
collection box, you know?
1213
00:53:48,255 --> 00:53:50,357
(laughs)
1214
00:53:51,225 --> 00:53:54,495
(lively jazz music)
1215
00:53:54,528 --> 00:53:57,331
I was always out
hustling around.
1216
00:53:57,364 --> 00:53:59,366
And I would go
downtown, shining shoes,
1217
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,201
selling papers, selling rubbers.
1218
00:54:01,235 --> 00:54:02,436
You know what I mean?
1219
00:54:02,469 --> 00:54:03,637
I had that going,
and the tricking too.
1220
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:05,439
And, baby, I had a
very good thing going.
1221
00:54:05,472 --> 00:54:08,040
You know, everybody
knew me downtown.
1222
00:54:08,074 --> 00:54:09,176
Are you kidding?
1223
00:54:09,209 --> 00:54:10,544
And they'd take me over to
their apartment and then,
1224
00:54:10,577 --> 00:54:12,413
then they had
their friends over.
1225
00:54:12,446 --> 00:54:13,946
- [Matt] Your mother
never knew that you were--
1226
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:15,416
- [Scotty] Never picked up,
1227
00:54:15,449 --> 00:54:17,384
my brother and sister never
picked up on it at all.
1228
00:54:17,418 --> 00:54:19,720
My brother, Donald, did
his own little thing
1229
00:54:19,753 --> 00:54:22,389
in a very square way,
never said a word to him.
1230
00:54:22,423 --> 00:54:24,425
He thought I was selling
papers and magazines.
1231
00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:26,493
I never mentioned a
trick to him at any time.
1232
00:54:26,527 --> 00:54:28,662
Him, my sister, my
mother, anybody.
1233
00:54:28,695 --> 00:54:32,533
My little thing I was doing
all by myself. (laughs)
1234
00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:38,004
(jazzy theatrical music)
1235
00:54:39,138 --> 00:54:41,175
Many years later, when
Dr. Kinsey met me,
1236
00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:42,409
he'd already heard about me.
1237
00:54:44,244 --> 00:54:48,282
That's why he interviewed me
about four, five or six times.
1238
00:54:49,115 --> 00:54:51,552
Kinsey was a zoologist,
1239
00:54:51,585 --> 00:54:54,321
and he started the
Institute of Sex Research,
1240
00:54:54,354 --> 00:54:56,055
Indiana University
in Bloomington.
1241
00:54:57,491 --> 00:54:59,560
- This research
has been possible
1242
00:54:59,593 --> 00:55:03,095
because of tens of thousands
of people who have cooperated.
1243
00:55:03,129 --> 00:55:05,432
- Scotty did play
an academic role
1244
00:55:05,466 --> 00:55:07,234
in the sexual
revolution in a way,
1245
00:55:07,267 --> 00:55:09,536
because he was the
connective tissue
1246
00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:12,439
between the academic Kinsey
1247
00:55:12,473 --> 00:55:14,241
and the people
who were doing it.
1248
00:55:14,274 --> 00:55:17,043
Scotty was a
revelation to Kinsey.
1249
00:55:17,076 --> 00:55:18,512
- [Scotty] We became friends
1250
00:55:18,545 --> 00:55:20,347
and he liked interviewing me.
1251
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:21,648
I was one of the only people
1252
00:55:21,682 --> 00:55:23,784
that completed interview
from one end to the other,
1253
00:55:23,817 --> 00:55:25,652
meaning, had done everything.
1254
00:55:25,686 --> 00:55:27,019
It would always
start out by saying,
1255
00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:28,522
"You ever had sex with a girl?"
1256
00:55:28,555 --> 00:55:29,590
Yes.
1257
00:55:29,623 --> 00:55:31,391
What did you do with, you
know, doom, doom, doom.
1258
00:55:31,425 --> 00:55:32,226
How about with a guy?
1259
00:55:32,259 --> 00:55:33,059
Yes.
1260
00:55:33,092 --> 00:55:33,694
What did you do?
1261
00:55:33,727 --> 00:55:34,628
Everything?
1262
00:55:34,661 --> 00:55:35,562
How about with an animal?
1263
00:55:35,596 --> 00:55:36,497
Yes.
1264
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:38,064
So whatever he had, I did.
1265
00:55:38,097 --> 00:55:40,701
And I got him, not only
the best interviews he had,
1266
00:55:40,734 --> 00:55:43,770
I took him to gang bang
parties and things like that,
1267
00:55:43,804 --> 00:55:46,540
and put him in a fucking
bedroom and everybody fucking,
1268
00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:48,709
and mainly guys, and
then, girls and guys.
1269
00:55:48,742 --> 00:55:50,711
And, and he'd be over
there and I'd crawl over
1270
00:55:50,744 --> 00:55:52,346
and reach to see if
he had a hard-on,
1271
00:55:52,379 --> 00:55:54,581
and he'd say, "Scotty, I'm
just observing, you know that."
1272
00:55:54,615 --> 00:55:55,816
(laughs)
1273
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:58,050
I think he had a
hard-on watching.
1274
00:55:58,084 --> 00:56:01,488
(jazzy theatrical music)
1275
00:56:04,725 --> 00:56:06,393
- [Guard] Hi there.
1276
00:56:06,426 --> 00:56:08,094
- The name is Scott, Ellie
Valiant Byron Clark's place.
1277
00:56:11,598 --> 00:56:13,567
(panting)
1278
00:56:15,736 --> 00:56:18,739
(people chattering)
1279
00:56:24,211 --> 00:56:25,546
I do a lot of bartending.
1280
00:56:25,579 --> 00:56:27,314
That looks full, but
it's just the ice
1281
00:56:27,347 --> 00:56:28,448
that makes it look that.
1282
00:56:28,482 --> 00:56:31,285
And I started doing it,
shortly after the gas station.
1283
00:56:32,553 --> 00:56:34,721
I left the gas station
after about 10 years.
1284
00:56:34,755 --> 00:56:36,857
You know, the, the
station got so busy,
1285
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:38,592
and I thought, the vice squad
1286
00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,561
has got to get onto
this eventually.
1287
00:56:41,628 --> 00:56:42,563
There's a vodka.
1288
00:56:42,596 --> 00:56:45,265
Even though I was in
full swing of tricking,
1289
00:56:45,299 --> 00:56:47,200
people that I knew
started, you know,
1290
00:56:47,234 --> 00:56:49,503
when, I'm having a party, why
don't you tend bar for me,
1291
00:56:49,536 --> 00:56:50,337
things like that.
1292
00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:51,605
So I proceeded to that.
1293
00:56:51,638 --> 00:56:52,639
- Read your book.
1294
00:56:52,673 --> 00:56:53,674
You behaved yourself.
1295
00:56:53,707 --> 00:56:56,075
(laughs)
1296
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,148
- The desk needs
cleaning, that's true.
1297
00:57:02,182 --> 00:57:05,352
But in the meantime, I
know where things are,
1298
00:57:05,385 --> 00:57:07,654
and it's not exactly in file,
1299
00:57:07,688 --> 00:57:09,756
it's just written down
on available space.
1300
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:11,692
- [Matt] When you were
writing down a trick,
1301
00:57:11,725 --> 00:57:12,659
it was the same thing?
1302
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,294
- Yeah, but when I was
writing down tricks,
1303
00:57:14,328 --> 00:57:16,530
I didn't, it wasn't
lying around.
1304
00:57:16,563 --> 00:57:17,664
It was in my pocket,
1305
00:57:18,665 --> 00:57:20,567
and it was for the moment.
1306
00:57:20,601 --> 00:57:22,636
And the moment that
was taken care of,
1307
00:57:22,669 --> 00:57:25,572
it was torn up and, really
torn up and thrown away.
1308
00:57:25,606 --> 00:57:26,573
You follow what I mean?
1309
00:57:26,607 --> 00:57:28,140
- [Matt] So you did that
because you were worried
1310
00:57:28,175 --> 00:57:29,376
Confidential might pick it up?
1311
00:57:29,409 --> 00:57:30,844
- 'Cause they could,
those son of a bitches
1312
00:57:30,877 --> 00:57:32,179
went through garbage
and everything,
1313
00:57:32,212 --> 00:57:33,145
you know what I'm talking about.
1314
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:33,847
- [Matt] Confidential?
1315
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,182
- Oh, yeah.
1316
00:57:35,215 --> 00:57:39,586
♪ You got to accentuate
the positive ♪
1317
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:41,188
♪ Eliminate the negative
1318
00:57:41,221 --> 00:57:42,689
- [Scotty] There was a paper
much like the Enquirer,
1319
00:57:42,723 --> 00:57:44,424
called Confidential.
1320
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,628
Confidential was a red-hot thing
1321
00:57:47,661 --> 00:57:51,164
where they exposed anyone that
was well-known that was gay.
1322
00:57:51,198 --> 00:57:53,634
♪ You got to spread joy
1323
00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:55,335
♪ Up to the maximum
1324
00:57:55,369 --> 00:57:56,937
♪ Bring gloom down
to the minimum ♪
1325
00:57:56,970 --> 00:58:01,541
- I am going to file a
$25 million libel suit
1326
00:58:01,575 --> 00:58:04,645
against Confidential Magazine.
1327
00:58:04,678 --> 00:58:06,213
- If it was written
that you were gay
1328
00:58:06,246 --> 00:58:08,649
in Confidential Magazine,
your career was over.
1329
00:58:09,983 --> 00:58:12,719
- Confidential came as
close as you ever could
1330
00:58:12,753 --> 00:58:16,323
to toppling the whole
house of cards here.
1331
00:58:16,356 --> 00:58:18,358
- [Scotty] Confidential
came to me with stories
1332
00:58:18,392 --> 00:58:20,460
that they had already
written and said,
1333
00:58:20,494 --> 00:58:21,962
you just have to sign the story
1334
00:58:21,995 --> 00:58:24,631
and say the story is true.
1335
00:58:24,665 --> 00:58:27,267
They'd hand you an
envelope with $1,000 in,
1336
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,603
and most people would've
signed for $1,000.
1337
00:58:30,704 --> 00:58:34,608
One story was at Frank
Sinatra's house in Palm Springs,
1338
00:58:35,876 --> 00:58:39,279
when I had a three-way with
Ava Gardner and Lana Turner.
1339
00:58:41,682 --> 00:58:43,350
Ava Gardner and Lana Turner,
1340
00:58:43,383 --> 00:58:46,520
they were buddy-buddy
in those days, you know?
1341
00:58:46,553 --> 00:58:47,954
They were a little stoned,
1342
00:58:47,988 --> 00:58:50,257
and they were in the
pool in the nude,
1343
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:52,526
and pretty soon we're
in bed together.
1344
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:53,760
The word got around.
1345
00:58:53,794 --> 00:58:55,562
You know how the
word gets around?
1346
00:58:55,595 --> 00:58:58,699
Confidential came to
me with a story first,
1347
00:58:58,732 --> 00:59:00,333
and that's one they
wanted me to sign
1348
00:59:00,367 --> 00:59:01,802
and I wouldn't sign it.
1349
00:59:01,835 --> 00:59:03,437
After I wouldn't sign it,
1350
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:05,005
they grabbed two
other guys who signed
1351
00:59:05,038 --> 00:59:06,573
and went for the money.
1352
00:59:07,541 --> 00:59:09,543
(slow bluesy music)
1353
00:59:09,576 --> 00:59:10,744
- He declined to do it.
1354
00:59:11,712 --> 00:59:13,747
I'm sure he could've
used the money.
1355
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:16,550
$1,000 was a lot more
back then than it is now.
1356
00:59:17,484 --> 00:59:19,386
But his personal code of honor
1357
00:59:19,419 --> 00:59:20,721
prevented him from doing that.
1358
00:59:25,826 --> 00:59:26,660
- Hello, baby.
1359
00:59:27,627 --> 00:59:28,762
Hi sweetheart.
1360
00:59:28,795 --> 00:59:29,996
That's a pretty kitty.
1361
00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:31,832
Just look at that
pretty little thing.
1362
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:38,672
Chicken dinner,
tender chicken dinner.
1363
00:59:38,705 --> 00:59:41,341
Gotta get some of that. (laughs)
1364
00:59:42,442 --> 00:59:44,778
Tender chicken dinner
for my kitties.
1365
00:59:51,051 --> 00:59:52,452
Look at the size
of that cat food.
1366
00:59:52,486 --> 00:59:53,787
It's a little bitty thing,
1367
00:59:54,955 --> 00:59:57,924
and that particular
thing was $1.69 plus tax.
1368
00:59:57,958 --> 00:59:59,760
That's fucking you when
they charge you that much
1369
00:59:59,793 --> 01:00:01,962
for a little bitty
can of food like that.
1370
01:00:01,995 --> 01:00:02,896
I always, when I go over there,
1371
01:00:02,929 --> 01:00:04,664
I always throw a couple,
three in my pocket
1372
01:00:04,698 --> 01:00:05,899
for my little kitty, you know.
1373
01:00:05,932 --> 01:00:07,768
And, all she does
when you open it is,
1374
01:00:07,801 --> 01:00:09,369
lick the moisture off of it,
1375
01:00:09,402 --> 01:00:10,570
eat a couple of little bites,
1376
01:00:10,604 --> 01:00:12,706
and then I put the rest
out for the skunks.
1377
01:00:19,846 --> 01:00:22,849
Do you want me to
show you that picture?
1378
01:00:22,883 --> 01:00:23,717
- [Matt] Sure.
1379
01:00:26,553 --> 01:00:29,089
- Baby was a wonderful
little doggie
1380
01:00:29,122 --> 01:00:30,891
that came to the house.
1381
01:00:30,924 --> 01:00:32,859
She just all of a
sudden appeared one day
1382
01:00:32,893 --> 01:00:35,595
and she was my
baby from then on.
1383
01:00:46,139 --> 01:00:48,041
Oh, here I got a book
I wanna show you.
1384
01:00:49,843 --> 01:00:52,345
This is by Cecil Beaton.
1385
01:00:52,379 --> 01:00:55,682
He liked to be called
Cecil, you know. (laughs)
1386
01:00:55,715 --> 01:00:57,517
Cecil was very grand, you know.
1387
01:00:57,551 --> 01:01:00,053
"Don't call me Cee-cil,
the name is Sesille."
1388
01:01:00,086 --> 01:01:01,588
He's a great photographer,
1389
01:01:01,621 --> 01:01:03,557
and he photographed
the Royal family.
1390
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:05,792
And somebody gave me
this and I'm in it.
1391
01:01:07,861 --> 01:01:08,862
There it is, Scotty.
1392
01:01:09,896 --> 01:01:11,865
"Scotty is a phenomenon.
1393
01:01:11,898 --> 01:01:12,799
"I heard several years ago
1394
01:01:12,833 --> 01:01:14,601
"that the police had
caught up with him,
1395
01:01:14,634 --> 01:01:17,637
"that he quit his racket
and was out of the running.
1396
01:01:17,671 --> 01:01:20,874
"This is a blow to me
'cause I'm very fond of him.
1397
01:01:20,907 --> 01:01:23,476
"But no, Scotty appeared
among the bushes
1398
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:26,112
"at a Beverly Hills
bungalows with his smiling
1399
01:01:26,146 --> 01:01:27,848
"and trimmed form as ever.
1400
01:01:29,015 --> 01:01:31,918
"He still continues his
nefarious activities."
1401
01:01:33,086 --> 01:01:35,889
- [Matt] It's like you
were hiding in plain sight.
1402
01:01:35,922 --> 01:01:37,624
You were always very discreet.
1403
01:01:38,592 --> 01:01:40,160
- No, but it was
just like, Matt,
1404
01:01:40,194 --> 01:01:43,597
when I took people to
see Wally and Edward,
1405
01:01:44,497 --> 01:01:45,999
I never told one person,
1406
01:01:46,032 --> 01:01:47,968
even though they
were close buddies.
1407
01:01:48,001 --> 01:01:50,103
And they were seeing
the Duke and Duchess.
1408
01:01:51,538 --> 01:01:53,874
When I met the Duke
and Duchess of Windsor,
1409
01:01:53,907 --> 01:01:56,409
he said, "You came so
highly recommended.
1410
01:01:56,443 --> 01:01:59,579
"Cecil Beaton's told me
about you numerous times."
1411
01:01:59,613 --> 01:02:02,616
And he said, "I feel
that I know you."
1412
01:02:02,649 --> 01:02:06,553
- The Duchess and I
are actually very glad
1413
01:02:06,586 --> 01:02:08,722
to set foot in America again.
1414
01:02:10,891 --> 01:02:12,692
- My friend was a manager
of the Beverly Hills Hotel,
1415
01:02:12,726 --> 01:02:13,960
so I would get a bungalow
1416
01:02:13,994 --> 01:02:15,695
at the Beverly Hills
Hotel for a whole week,
1417
01:02:15,729 --> 01:02:17,664
and then flood them with people.
1418
01:02:17,697 --> 01:02:19,132
As you know, the bungalows
there, even today,
1419
01:02:19,166 --> 01:02:21,101
you can walk straight
into from the street.
1420
01:02:21,134 --> 01:02:22,836
It was easy to get
people in and out
1421
01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:24,971
and never ask who
was there at all.
1422
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,475
Two at a time, sometimes
three at a time,
1423
01:02:28,508 --> 01:02:30,143
but usually two at a time.
1424
01:02:30,177 --> 01:02:32,145
Maybe I'd bring a guy
and a girl or both;
1425
01:02:32,179 --> 01:02:35,148
a girl for her, a guy for him.
1426
01:02:35,182 --> 01:02:38,084
He'd like to see guys
and girls together,
1427
01:02:38,118 --> 01:02:40,887
and then, sort of
work his way in.
1428
01:02:40,921 --> 01:02:43,924
And when a guy wants to see
a guy and girl together,
1429
01:02:43,957 --> 01:02:46,092
they're usually gay or
have tendency of being gay,
1430
01:02:46,126 --> 01:02:47,093
because if they were straight,
1431
01:02:47,127 --> 01:02:48,995
why would they want the guy?
1432
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:50,697
She's the one that
would do the talking.
1433
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:52,532
He'd sit there this whole
time and not say a word,
1434
01:02:52,565 --> 01:02:54,134
he was very shy and bashful.
1435
01:02:54,168 --> 01:02:56,469
She's the one that would
say we're gonna do this,
1436
01:02:56,503 --> 01:02:57,804
we're gonna do that,
we'll suck his cock.
1437
01:02:57,837 --> 01:02:58,638
Do this, do that.
1438
01:02:58,672 --> 01:02:59,906
You know what I mean?
1439
01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:02,509
I mean, you know, she
was a real ballsy chick.
1440
01:03:02,542 --> 01:03:04,678
But they thought what I did
1441
01:03:04,711 --> 01:03:07,047
was the nicest thing that
ever happened to them.
1442
01:03:08,282 --> 01:03:11,551
If Eddie and them were
around now, and Ronnie,
1443
01:03:11,584 --> 01:03:13,687
I might tell them now,
now the book is out,
1444
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,988
"That was, that was
them that you saw
1445
01:03:15,021 --> 01:03:16,456
"at the Beverly Hills Hotel."
1446
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:28,235
(birds chirping)
1447
01:03:28,269 --> 01:03:31,638
It just, it seems like
I just keep adding.
1448
01:03:31,671 --> 01:03:32,973
You know, I'd come in,
I'd throw this there,
1449
01:03:33,006 --> 01:03:35,041
and this there, and...
1450
01:03:35,075 --> 01:03:36,910
- [Matt] Do you still
work at the desk or is--
1451
01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,645
- No, I can't get
to the desk now.
1452
01:03:39,713 --> 01:03:41,114
I'll eventually get there again.
1453
01:03:44,017 --> 01:03:45,785
Look how pretty that tiger is.
1454
01:03:45,819 --> 01:03:47,721
It just came in,
someone brought it in,
1455
01:03:47,754 --> 01:03:48,922
at Out of the Closet,
1456
01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:49,956
and I said, "How much?"
1457
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:51,524
And he said three bucks.
1458
01:03:53,059 --> 01:03:54,961
It looks kind of
real, doesn't it?
1459
01:03:56,896 --> 01:03:58,299
- It's horrible.
1460
01:03:58,332 --> 01:04:01,101
We just can't live like this.
1461
01:04:01,134 --> 01:04:02,236
It's dangerous.
1462
01:04:03,570 --> 01:04:04,771
I was talking
about getting help,
1463
01:04:04,804 --> 01:04:06,173
but you can't get help
until you cleaned,
1464
01:04:06,207 --> 01:04:08,309
had the house cleaned out.
1465
01:04:08,342 --> 01:04:12,045
And one way to do it is
to call Social Services.
1466
01:04:12,078 --> 01:04:14,848
It would be considered
elder abuse for him
1467
01:04:14,881 --> 01:04:16,082
to make it dangerous for me
1468
01:04:16,116 --> 01:04:17,984
to walk through the
house every day.
1469
01:04:19,286 --> 01:04:20,587
And I can't do that.
1470
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:26,559
- All these bags here are new.
1471
01:04:26,593 --> 01:04:28,762
- [Matt] Do you think
that it's compulsive?
1472
01:04:29,929 --> 01:04:31,698
- You see, if you
don't have control,
1473
01:04:31,731 --> 01:04:33,066
the world will fall apart.
1474
01:04:33,099 --> 01:04:35,269
And I'm sure the
war did this to him.
1475
01:04:35,302 --> 01:04:37,837
- [Matt] Do you think Scotty
could've used some therapy?
1476
01:04:37,871 --> 01:04:39,806
- No, I don't know that
that would've done any good
1477
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,875
because he doesn't
believe in it.
1478
01:04:41,908 --> 01:04:43,210
But normally that's,
1479
01:04:43,244 --> 01:04:44,944
should've been with all--
- I'm the one that,
1480
01:04:44,978 --> 01:04:46,112
I'm the one that gives
therapy to people.
1481
01:04:46,146 --> 01:04:47,881
I don't need therapy.
1482
01:04:47,914 --> 01:04:49,115
(both laugh)
1483
01:04:49,149 --> 01:04:50,950
- [Matt] A lot of
people would say
1484
01:04:50,984 --> 01:04:53,787
what you did all
your life was wrong.
1485
01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,954
- You're kidding?
1486
01:04:54,988 --> 01:04:58,124
I mean I, I think it was right.
1487
01:04:58,158 --> 01:05:00,593
- [Matt] Probably
because you were damaged
1488
01:05:00,627 --> 01:05:02,128
when you were a child.
1489
01:05:02,162 --> 01:05:03,163
- Oh, yeah, bullshit.
1490
01:05:03,197 --> 01:05:06,633
I mean, that, that's
damage, but hey. (laughs)
1491
01:05:06,666 --> 01:05:07,967
- [Matt] Someone
needed to tell you
1492
01:05:08,001 --> 01:05:10,036
that you were traumatized.
1493
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:12,005
- I did what I did
because I wanted to do it
1494
01:05:12,038 --> 01:05:13,307
and knew what I was doing
1495
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:15,041
and it wasn't a case of
accidentally or anything.
1496
01:05:16,243 --> 01:05:18,144
Anything you do, you best
better blame yourself
1497
01:05:18,179 --> 01:05:19,380
and forget that
bullshit of coming up
1498
01:05:19,413 --> 01:05:21,014
and blaming someone else.
- But you don't.
1499
01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,849
- No, I don't blame
someone else for anything.
1500
01:05:22,882 --> 01:05:24,117
- [Lois] You don't
blame yourself, either.
1501
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:25,151
- I don't blame myself.
1502
01:05:25,186 --> 01:05:25,952
I've done nothing wrong.
1503
01:05:25,985 --> 01:05:27,020
Why do I blame myself?
1504
01:05:44,671 --> 01:05:46,307
Today, tomorrow, and forever.
1505
01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:47,740
Bette and Scotty.
1506
01:05:48,975 --> 01:05:50,244
- [Matt] You and
Bette never married.
1507
01:05:50,277 --> 01:05:52,112
Did she change her
name to Bowers?
1508
01:05:52,145 --> 01:05:54,215
- Oh, yeah, she
changed it to Bowers.
1509
01:05:57,150 --> 01:06:00,787
When I was in Seattle,
before I was discharged,
1510
01:06:00,820 --> 01:06:03,224
I met Bette in town
at the Olympic Hotel.
1511
01:06:05,725 --> 01:06:08,362
It naturally brings
back memories, you know.
1512
01:06:08,395 --> 01:06:10,930
- [Matt] Good ones or bad ones?
1513
01:06:10,964 --> 01:06:12,233
- Oh no, they were good ones.
1514
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:16,769
Of course, I'd naturally get
pictures of Bette like that.
1515
01:06:16,803 --> 01:06:18,738
(laughs)
1516
01:06:18,771 --> 01:06:22,209
A lot of romances turn cold
as you know what I mean.
1517
01:06:22,243 --> 01:06:23,943
But at the time it was great.
1518
01:06:25,979 --> 01:06:27,214
No, Bette was a good Joe.
1519
01:06:27,248 --> 01:06:28,715
Son of a bitch, she was.
1520
01:06:30,384 --> 01:06:33,853
It's just a shame that I
was not a one-person person.
1521
01:06:33,887 --> 01:06:35,955
I had too many things to do.
1522
01:06:35,989 --> 01:06:37,023
If anyone was to blame
1523
01:06:37,056 --> 01:06:41,094
for not making it work
over the years, it was me,
1524
01:06:41,127 --> 01:06:43,096
because I wasn't a
stay-at-home person.
1525
01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:44,198
You know what I mean?
1526
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,800
- [Matt] Did she know
you were doing tricks?
1527
01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:49,436
- Even though I didn't sit
and discuss it with her,
1528
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:53,006
she'd have to know because
I was so busy doing that.
1529
01:06:54,275 --> 01:06:57,677
You know, I bought the house
up on St. Andrews for Bette.
1530
01:06:59,213 --> 01:07:01,215
I'd saved my money
from tricking.
1531
01:07:01,248 --> 01:07:02,715
Stash it away, you know.
1532
01:07:04,784 --> 01:07:07,221
You gotta see my nice
new roof here, baby.
1533
01:07:07,254 --> 01:07:09,055
In 52 years, it
only had two roofs.
1534
01:07:09,088 --> 01:07:10,391
So this will be the third one.
1535
01:07:12,025 --> 01:07:14,994
I put this fucking roof
on 52 years ago by myself.
1536
01:07:16,162 --> 01:07:19,065
Bette and I, we just bought
the house for $22,000
1537
01:07:19,098 --> 01:07:20,334
and she and my little daughter
1538
01:07:20,367 --> 01:07:21,935
were very excited to come here.
1539
01:07:21,968 --> 01:07:24,271
We only lived a short
distance away from here.
1540
01:07:25,539 --> 01:07:28,141
I mean, I was always in
the neighborhood here.
1541
01:07:28,175 --> 01:07:29,243
And we--
1542
01:07:29,276 --> 01:07:31,278
- [Matt] Did you guys go
out to dinner to celebrate?
1543
01:07:31,312 --> 01:07:34,047
- Oh no, I went out and
turned a couple of tricks.
1544
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,148
I was, you know, I was busy.
1545
01:07:35,182 --> 01:07:37,016
I didn't do that
fucking dinner bit.
1546
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:38,285
When you're busy, you're busy.
1547
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,153
And I was busy every
day and every night.
1548
01:07:40,187 --> 01:07:42,256
I didn't have, which
I'm sorry to say,
1549
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:43,790
I didn't have time to do that.
1550
01:07:45,892 --> 01:07:47,160
- [Matt] You're sorry to say?
1551
01:07:47,194 --> 01:07:48,094
You wished you could have?
1552
01:07:48,127 --> 01:07:49,530
- Well, I should have, I guess,
1553
01:07:49,563 --> 01:07:52,266
spent more time with
them, which I didn't.
1554
01:07:52,299 --> 01:07:54,067
I don't know, maybe,
maybe I did take her
1555
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,203
out to dinner on
her birthday once.
1556
01:07:56,237 --> 01:07:57,904
(laughs) Once.
1557
01:07:57,937 --> 01:07:59,206
Maybe I did once.
1558
01:08:06,547 --> 01:08:08,482
It was very nice to have
a pretty little baby.
1559
01:08:08,515 --> 01:08:10,451
She was a good girl.
1560
01:08:10,484 --> 01:08:12,286
This was Donna's
little room here.
1561
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:14,355
Donna's clothes are
still in the closet.
1562
01:08:14,388 --> 01:08:17,924
And she went to school
and never missed a day,
1563
01:08:17,957 --> 01:08:20,194
and went from grammar
school to high school
1564
01:08:20,227 --> 01:08:22,161
at Hollywood High,
and then to college,
1565
01:08:22,196 --> 01:08:23,930
and finished college, and,
1566
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:26,400
and then she died.
1567
01:08:29,236 --> 01:08:31,070
Here's a picture
of her here, too.
1568
01:08:31,104 --> 01:08:33,106
She had an abortion.
1569
01:08:33,139 --> 01:08:36,976
And within three or four days
after having the abortion,
1570
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:38,911
she went into a coma
and never came out.
1571
01:08:38,945 --> 01:08:41,114
She had an abortion by some,
1572
01:08:41,147 --> 01:08:43,883
obviously, quack doctor back
in those days, you know.
1573
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,220
And she was 23.
1574
01:08:47,887 --> 01:08:50,524
(slow soft music)
1575
01:08:52,158 --> 01:08:55,362
And her phone is still there
with the same number. (laughs)
1576
01:08:56,330 --> 01:08:58,265
I didn't go around
saying anything.
1577
01:08:58,299 --> 01:09:00,200
Within an hour after
I learned she died,
1578
01:09:00,234 --> 01:09:04,003
I'm on my way to Malibu to a
party with a carload of guys.
1579
01:09:04,037 --> 01:09:07,840
I was 100% dependable, reliable,
whatever you wanna call it,
1580
01:09:07,874 --> 01:09:09,942
regardless of what it was.
1581
01:09:09,976 --> 01:09:11,211
None of that bullshit:
1582
01:09:11,245 --> 01:09:12,579
It's too cold today,
it's raining today,
1583
01:09:12,613 --> 01:09:14,315
or whatever might happen.
1584
01:09:14,348 --> 01:09:17,584
If I told someone I was
gonna be there, I'd be there.
1585
01:09:17,618 --> 01:09:20,421
I never said anything to
anyone about what had happened.
1586
01:09:22,088 --> 01:09:24,924
- A number of people deal,
deal with grief that way.
1587
01:09:24,957 --> 01:09:29,062
They stay on their regular
path, keep your regular routine.
1588
01:09:31,465 --> 01:09:36,470
(birds chirping)
(slow soft music)
1589
01:09:42,141 --> 01:09:45,412
- I want to get somebody to
trim all the trees over there,
1590
01:09:45,446 --> 01:09:48,482
the bushes over
here, this thing.
1591
01:09:48,515 --> 01:09:49,882
- I'm gonna cut that.
- Uh huh.
1592
01:09:49,916 --> 01:09:51,385
- Soon as my arm is better,
1593
01:09:51,418 --> 01:09:52,519
I'll cut that.
- Yeah, sure.
1594
01:09:53,487 --> 01:09:54,153
I'm gonna hire somebody.
1595
01:09:54,188 --> 01:09:55,489
- No you aren't.
- Yes I am.
1596
01:09:55,522 --> 01:09:56,923
- No you aren't.
- Yes I am.
1597
01:09:56,956 --> 01:09:57,558
- [Scotty] Oh, no.
1598
01:09:57,591 --> 01:09:58,991
Are you kidding?
1599
01:09:59,025 --> 01:10:01,328
I can do it far better
than they can do it.
1600
01:10:01,362 --> 01:10:04,864
(soft bluesy piano music)
1601
01:10:08,134 --> 01:10:11,305
- You know, they've
asked me why do I stay.
1602
01:10:11,338 --> 01:10:12,439
'Cause I love him.
1603
01:10:12,473 --> 01:10:14,241
And somebody asked me why,
and I said, I don't know,
1604
01:10:14,274 --> 01:10:16,243
it's just, you just do.
1605
01:10:17,678 --> 01:10:20,980
And, mainly because
of the way he is,
1606
01:10:21,013 --> 01:10:25,084
his sense of humor,
his warmth, his caring.
1607
01:10:25,118 --> 01:10:26,320
You know, they don't just go
1608
01:10:26,353 --> 01:10:31,525
to the profession he chose
years ago, they go into life.
1609
01:10:32,393 --> 01:10:33,394
He likes to make people happy,
1610
01:10:33,427 --> 01:10:36,663
but I see it as a terrific need.
1611
01:10:38,298 --> 01:10:41,268
It must be a chore to have to
want everybody to be happy.
1612
01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:44,937
- [Matt] But you didn't
know until the book,
1613
01:10:44,971 --> 01:10:47,441
to what lengths Scotty
went to make people happy.
1614
01:10:47,474 --> 01:10:50,477
- (laughs) No, no I didn't.
1615
01:10:50,511 --> 01:10:53,647
(people chattering)
1616
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,648
- [Woman] Oh my god.
1617
01:10:54,681 --> 01:10:59,553
♪ Happy birthday to you
1618
01:11:00,487 --> 01:11:05,325
♪ Happy birthday to you
1619
01:11:06,226 --> 01:11:10,631
♪ Happy birthday, dear Scotty
1620
01:11:12,999 --> 01:11:16,336
♪ Happy birthday to you
1621
01:11:19,273 --> 01:11:22,108
(crowd cheering)
1622
01:11:27,113 --> 01:11:29,115
- Clever, the way they'd
made that phone, wasn't it?
1623
01:11:29,148 --> 01:11:32,553
(laughs) That was good.
1624
01:11:41,728 --> 01:11:43,597
I even had a card from my sister
1625
01:11:43,630 --> 01:11:45,299
as recently as two days ago.
1626
01:11:46,533 --> 01:11:48,067
From my sister, it says,
1627
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,703
"Happy birthday, brother.
1628
01:11:49,736 --> 01:11:51,538
"Remember how I
used to tease you
1629
01:11:52,739 --> 01:11:54,441
"and it really got
on your nerves?"
1630
01:11:54,475 --> 01:11:55,642
And you open that fucking card,
1631
01:11:55,676 --> 01:11:58,412
it's upside down and it said,
1632
01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:00,414
"I'm not finished
yet, have a good one.
1633
01:12:00,447 --> 01:12:02,483
"Loads of love,
Phyllis and Barney."
1634
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,555
(phone ringing)
1635
01:12:08,589 --> 01:12:09,456
- [Phyllis] Hello?
1636
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:10,791
- Hello?
- Yeah, hello?
1637
01:12:10,824 --> 01:12:11,758
- [Scotty] It's me.
1638
01:12:12,726 --> 01:12:13,527
- [Phyllis] Okay.
1639
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,761
- How are you?
1640
01:12:14,795 --> 01:12:16,230
- [Phyllis] I'm,
I'm good, George.
1641
01:12:16,263 --> 01:12:17,063
How are you?
1642
01:12:17,096 --> 01:12:17,997
- What happened to you?
1643
01:12:19,166 --> 01:12:20,367
- [Phyllis] Well,
I just fell down
1644
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,437
and they picked me
up and I'm over here
1645
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:25,137
in the nursing home right now.
1646
01:12:25,172 --> 01:12:26,573
- But you're going home, though?
1647
01:12:26,607 --> 01:12:28,408
- [Phyllis] Well,
not for a week.
1648
01:12:28,442 --> 01:12:30,477
- [Scotty] Is there
anything you need at all?
1649
01:12:30,511 --> 01:12:31,411
- [Phyllis] No, not really.
1650
01:12:31,445 --> 01:12:33,480
Just to hear from you
sounded wonderful.
1651
01:12:33,514 --> 01:12:35,616
- I'll call you
back again tomorrow.
1652
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:37,684
(phone dialing)
1653
01:12:37,718 --> 01:12:38,819
Dale.
1654
01:12:38,852 --> 01:12:39,653
- [Dale] Yeah?
1655
01:12:39,686 --> 01:12:40,821
- Scotty.
1656
01:12:40,854 --> 01:12:41,755
Well, you, you
mentioned that book,
1657
01:12:41,788 --> 01:12:43,190
that book, I had forgotten
1658
01:12:43,223 --> 01:12:45,325
about that book you've
talked to me about.
1659
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:46,293
- [Dale] Uh-huh.
1660
01:12:46,326 --> 01:12:47,394
Yeah, Full Service?
- Full Service, yeah.
1661
01:12:47,427 --> 01:12:49,161
- [Dale] Yeah, it was, that
was a pretty good book.
1662
01:12:49,196 --> 01:12:50,364
- Well, hey.
1663
01:12:50,397 --> 01:12:52,232
Well, don't give it to your
mom 'cause it'll upset her.
1664
01:12:52,266 --> 01:12:53,433
You know what I mean?
1665
01:12:53,467 --> 01:12:55,569
- [Dale] Oh, no, well,
I, I already did.
1666
01:12:58,338 --> 01:12:59,540
- She's upset over what?
1667
01:13:10,517 --> 01:13:12,686
- That's why I said,
don't show it to her.
1668
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:13,520
- [Dale] Yeah.
1669
01:13:13,554 --> 01:13:15,154
Yeah, I won't show
it to her again.
1670
01:13:15,188 --> 01:13:16,323
- [Scotty] Now don't
forget that, okay?
1671
01:13:16,356 --> 01:13:17,324
- [Dale] No, I won't.
1672
01:13:17,357 --> 01:13:18,458
- [Scotty] Okay, baby.
1673
01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:22,296
(people chattering)
1674
01:13:25,198 --> 01:13:26,098
- Was there ever any discussion
1675
01:13:26,132 --> 01:13:28,468
about the need for subterfuge
1676
01:13:28,502 --> 01:13:30,871
and to leave the
life in the closet?
1677
01:13:30,904 --> 01:13:33,740
Or was it just something
that everyone knew?
1678
01:13:33,774 --> 01:13:35,475
- It's just the way it was then.
1679
01:13:35,509 --> 01:13:37,811
They had to play it
very cool, you know?
1680
01:13:39,145 --> 01:13:41,615
- What, what can you
say about, if anything,
1681
01:13:41,648 --> 01:13:43,283
about Katherine Hepburn?
1682
01:13:43,317 --> 01:13:45,586
- [Scotty] Katherine
Hepburn would've liked you.
1683
01:13:45,619 --> 01:13:48,188
(group laughs)
1684
01:13:48,221 --> 01:13:50,257
And Katherine Hepburn
was not really nice
1685
01:13:50,290 --> 01:13:52,124
to Spencer Tracy, you know?
1686
01:13:52,158 --> 01:13:52,859
- Because?
1687
01:13:52,893 --> 01:13:54,695
You have any idea why that was?
1688
01:13:54,728 --> 01:13:56,563
Because he was married, or what?
1689
01:13:56,597 --> 01:13:58,265
- [Scotty] No.
1690
01:13:58,298 --> 01:13:59,566
They were merely friends,
1691
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,603
and they were in business
together, show business.
1692
01:14:02,636 --> 01:14:06,173
And they were not in the bed
department together at all.
1693
01:14:06,206 --> 01:14:07,407
- Never?
- Never.
1694
01:14:09,543 --> 01:14:13,145
(soft theatrical music)
1695
01:14:14,848 --> 01:14:17,684
All these movie
magazines sold a story.
1696
01:14:18,619 --> 01:14:20,387
And that's why so many
square people say,
1697
01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:21,655
"Oh, I thought they
were lovers," you know.
1698
01:14:21,688 --> 01:14:25,192
And I said, "Well, they, they
weren't, but it sounds good."
1699
01:14:26,627 --> 01:14:28,629
- The story of Hepburn and Tracy
1700
01:14:28,662 --> 01:14:30,397
is one of the best examples
1701
01:14:30,430 --> 01:14:32,599
of Hollywood crafting
a public image.
1702
01:14:34,401 --> 01:14:35,902
George Cukor
directed some of the,
1703
01:14:35,936 --> 01:14:38,472
the greatest
Hepburn/Tracy films.
1704
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,276
Spencer Tracy lived on the
grounds at George Cukor's house,
1705
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:44,845
but he was still
married to his wife,
1706
01:14:44,878 --> 01:14:46,713
who, who he loved very much,
1707
01:14:46,747 --> 01:14:48,348
and there's always
been the presumption
1708
01:14:48,382 --> 01:14:49,716
that he and Hepburn
lived together
1709
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:51,551
in that little, little cottage.
1710
01:14:51,585 --> 01:14:53,286
In fact, they did
not live together.
1711
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,923
There was another cottage
that, where Hepburn lived.
1712
01:14:56,957 --> 01:14:59,326
Hepburn in later years
tried to make it seem
1713
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:01,595
as if they were living
in a cottage together
1714
01:15:01,628 --> 01:15:04,531
sharing a household
like man and wife.
1715
01:15:04,564 --> 01:15:07,367
- Remember that night
when, oh, I don't know,
1716
01:15:07,401 --> 01:15:09,569
you felt so
disturbed and I said,
1717
01:15:09,603 --> 01:15:10,804
"Well, go on in.
1718
01:15:10,837 --> 01:15:13,206
"Go to bed, I'll
talk you to sleep.
1719
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,208
"I'll just talk and talk and
1720
01:15:15,242 --> 01:15:17,844
"you'll be so bored,
you're bound to drift off."
1721
01:15:17,878 --> 01:15:19,246
- It was not that way.
1722
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:20,480
They were not living together.
1723
01:15:20,514 --> 01:15:21,715
They never lived together.
1724
01:15:22,716 --> 01:15:24,418
(slow soft theatrical music)
1725
01:15:24,451 --> 01:15:28,455
- She was a designer
of her own legend.
1726
01:15:28,488 --> 01:15:32,659
And she had several
fervent relationships
1727
01:15:32,693 --> 01:15:35,662
with talented other women.
1728
01:15:35,696 --> 01:15:39,833
She was very guarded
about what she did.
1729
01:15:41,735 --> 01:15:44,705
- [Scotty] George kind
of told Katherine Hepburn
1730
01:15:44,738 --> 01:15:48,742
early in the game what I
did, you know, in a way.
1731
01:15:48,775 --> 01:15:50,610
Then, I could see running
it through her head,
1732
01:15:50,644 --> 01:15:52,012
well if he fixes up guys,
1733
01:15:52,045 --> 01:15:53,513
he should be able
to fix up girls too.
1734
01:15:53,547 --> 01:15:54,781
With a girl, you
know what I mean?
1735
01:15:54,815 --> 01:15:56,983
I could see that. (laughs)
1736
01:15:57,017 --> 01:15:59,686
I fixed her up with
every bit of 150 girls.
1737
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,822
And people says, "How
would she see that many?"
1738
01:16:01,855 --> 01:16:03,690
I said, this was over
a period of 39 years,
1739
01:16:03,724 --> 01:16:05,459
that's almost 50 years.
1740
01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:07,260
I mean, that's not
unusual at all.
1741
01:16:08,462 --> 01:16:09,563
- [William] The
traditional image
1742
01:16:09,596 --> 01:16:11,732
is that Tracy bullied Hepburn.
1743
01:16:11,765 --> 01:16:13,633
This was not true.
1744
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:14,701
- Ow!
1745
01:16:14,735 --> 01:16:15,736
What are you doing?
1746
01:16:15,769 --> 01:16:17,337
- Testing.
1747
01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:18,672
- She wouldn't have tolerated
that kind of behavior
1748
01:16:18,705 --> 01:16:19,606
from anyone.
1749
01:16:19,639 --> 01:16:21,742
I began to understand
that if, in fact,
1750
01:16:21,775 --> 01:16:24,511
there were conflicts
between Hepburn and Tracy,
1751
01:16:24,544 --> 01:16:25,712
they went both ways.
1752
01:16:25,746 --> 01:16:27,681
And she was not happy
about his drinking
1753
01:16:27,714 --> 01:16:29,649
or his friendship with Scotty.
1754
01:16:29,683 --> 01:16:32,819
Scotty would come
down to Cukor's house,
1755
01:16:32,853 --> 01:16:34,721
specifically to
see Spencer Tracy.
1756
01:16:36,356 --> 01:16:38,358
- I'd get a ride there at
five o'clock in the evening.
1757
01:16:38,391 --> 01:16:39,826
At two o'clock in the morning,
1758
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:42,362
I'm still sitting at the kitchen
table listening to him talk
1759
01:16:42,395 --> 01:16:43,396
and going (mumbles),
1760
01:16:44,798 --> 01:16:46,733
and I'd better go to bed now
1761
01:16:46,767 --> 01:16:48,435
and he'd get up and almost fall,
1762
01:16:48,468 --> 01:16:50,504
and he'd put his arm around
me and we would go to bed.
1763
01:16:51,872 --> 01:16:53,774
But then the next morning,
he would always say,
1764
01:16:53,807 --> 01:16:55,642
"Geez, I must've gotten
drunk last night.
1765
01:16:55,675 --> 01:16:57,577
"You were so nice to stay."
1766
01:16:57,611 --> 01:17:00,413
Just like nothing ever happened,
it was always the same.
1767
01:17:01,882 --> 01:17:03,550
He really didn't want to be gay,
1768
01:17:03,583 --> 01:17:06,753
or admit to himself
he might possibly be.
1769
01:17:06,787 --> 01:17:08,889
And so the best way is
not to admit it, right?
1770
01:17:10,056 --> 01:17:12,759
- Uh, (laughs) I can't
handle this in my head,
1771
01:17:12,793 --> 01:17:13,994
it, it rocks me.
1772
01:17:15,695 --> 01:17:20,600
- The ironic thing is that it
was somehow more acceptable
1773
01:17:20,634 --> 01:17:25,639
to the general public to be
in an adulterous relationship
1774
01:17:26,473 --> 01:17:27,808
than it was to be
gay or lesbian.
1775
01:17:29,543 --> 01:17:33,847
- But the whole thing about
being gay in Hollywood,
1776
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,851
if you played along,
you were okay.
1777
01:17:37,884 --> 01:17:40,720
The studio executives
did not really care
1778
01:17:40,754 --> 01:17:42,489
if someone was gay or not.
1779
01:17:42,522 --> 01:17:44,958
They only cared about
your public persona.
1780
01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:48,595
You know, in Hollywood,
everyone knew
1781
01:17:48,628 --> 01:17:49,930
that Rock Hudson was gay.
1782
01:17:49,963 --> 01:17:51,798
- [Announcer] Rock
Hudson, selected
1783
01:17:51,832 --> 01:17:53,800
as the Most Popular
Film Actor of the Year.
1784
01:17:53,834 --> 01:17:55,769
This is the second year in a row
1785
01:17:55,802 --> 01:17:56,937
that Mr. Hudson has been picked
1786
01:17:56,970 --> 01:17:59,873
by Modern Screen as
Most Popular Actor.
1787
01:17:59,906 --> 01:18:03,743
- But, his sexuality
became really a problem
1788
01:18:03,777 --> 01:18:07,781
when Life Magazine had
done a cover story on him.
1789
01:18:07,814 --> 01:18:10,917
It said that he was
approaching 30 years old
1790
01:18:10,951 --> 01:18:13,486
and it was about time
for him to get married,
1791
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:14,754
and if he didn't get married,
1792
01:18:14,788 --> 01:18:17,858
he needed to tell his fans why.
1793
01:18:17,891 --> 01:18:19,526
And like, a month or two later,
1794
01:18:19,559 --> 01:18:22,762
he married his agent's
secretary, Phyllis Gates.
1795
01:18:23,997 --> 01:18:25,398
- [Scotty] And of
course, Rock was gay,
1796
01:18:25,432 --> 01:18:27,834
Phyllis was gay, and
nothing happened.
1797
01:18:27,868 --> 01:18:31,538
- It became kind of an
open joke in Hollywood.
1798
01:18:31,571 --> 01:18:34,908
Everyone kind of knew that
this was an arranged marriage,
1799
01:18:34,941 --> 01:18:37,777
but it was very important
to sell that myth.
1800
01:18:37,811 --> 01:18:40,046
It was about reflecting back
1801
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,849
a very traditional middle-class,
1802
01:18:42,883 --> 01:18:44,885
middle America viewpoint.
1803
01:18:46,052 --> 01:18:48,788
The truth of that was, was
something very, very different.
1804
01:18:52,559 --> 01:18:55,395
(traffic humming)
1805
01:18:58,498 --> 01:18:59,799
- Oh, that and that's the book?
1806
01:18:59,833 --> 01:19:00,634
Jesus.
1807
01:19:00,667 --> 01:19:02,836
Introduction by
Scotty Bowers with,
1808
01:19:02,869 --> 01:19:06,573
with text by Gore Vidal,
with James Jones. (laughs)
1809
01:19:06,606 --> 01:19:07,807
Isn't that...
1810
01:19:07,841 --> 01:19:09,142
Everything Dian
does is you know,
1811
01:19:09,176 --> 01:19:12,112
she should've designed
weapons during World War II.
1812
01:19:12,145 --> 01:19:13,880
- (laughs) Yeah, right.
1813
01:19:14,581 --> 01:19:16,616
- I was wondering if you could
just start by talking to us
1814
01:19:16,650 --> 01:19:18,818
about the buddy system,
sort of how it worked
1815
01:19:18,852 --> 01:19:20,687
and why it was created.
1816
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:21,922
- When you're in
the Marine Corps,
1817
01:19:21,955 --> 01:19:23,590
the closest thing to
you is your buddy,
1818
01:19:24,724 --> 01:19:25,992
you might say your
foxhole buddy,
1819
01:19:26,026 --> 01:19:28,962
who watches out for you
and you watch out for him.
1820
01:19:28,995 --> 01:19:29,963
- Scotty really had it tough.
1821
01:19:29,996 --> 01:19:34,701
I mean, he was in three,
just horrific battles
1822
01:19:34,734 --> 01:19:36,670
without much down time, right?
1823
01:19:36,703 --> 01:19:38,638
I mean, you were fighting
four months straight
1824
01:19:38,672 --> 01:19:39,739
on Guadalcanal.
1825
01:19:39,773 --> 01:19:41,975
- And Bougainville, two months.
1826
01:19:42,008 --> 01:19:44,245
- He developed the buddy
system in World War II,
1827
01:19:44,278 --> 01:19:46,112
because they found that the men
1828
01:19:46,146 --> 01:19:49,082
were able to hold up
in battle with a buddy.
1829
01:19:49,115 --> 01:19:52,719
- Young guys who just left
home for the first time
1830
01:19:52,752 --> 01:19:55,155
to go in the service,
the closest thing to you
1831
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:56,990
is your buddy, you
know what I mean?
1832
01:19:57,023 --> 01:19:59,893
Your so-called
foxhole buddy is the
1833
01:19:59,926 --> 01:20:00,927
closest thing you have.
1834
01:20:00,961 --> 01:20:02,662
It's the best friend you have.
1835
01:20:12,539 --> 01:20:13,974
Service record World War II
1836
01:20:14,007 --> 01:20:16,977
was put out by Grand
Ridge Community.
1837
01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:19,246
So it was a little town
in the area I was born.
1838
01:20:23,217 --> 01:20:25,085
That's my brother right there.
1839
01:20:27,821 --> 01:20:28,888
Camp Elliott.
1840
01:20:28,922 --> 01:20:31,992
Finished training in Hawaii,
1841
01:20:32,025 --> 01:20:33,994
participated in the
Battle of Iwo Jima,
1842
01:20:34,027 --> 01:20:38,131
lost his life March 4, 1945.
1843
01:20:41,202 --> 01:20:43,970
My brother was two
years older than me.
1844
01:20:44,004 --> 01:20:46,039
He went in the Marine
Corps two years after I did
1845
01:20:46,072 --> 01:20:48,108
because he was working.
1846
01:20:49,243 --> 01:20:52,545
He went into Iwo
Jima, and on Iwo Jima,
1847
01:20:52,579 --> 01:20:56,082
we had 7,000 guys
killed in 28 days
1848
01:20:56,116 --> 01:20:58,985
and about 20,000 wounded.
1849
01:20:59,019 --> 01:21:01,988
(slow somber music)
1850
01:21:05,925 --> 01:21:06,960
Every time I see some,
1851
01:21:09,230 --> 01:21:12,166
it reminds me of
my brother. (weeps)
1852
01:21:14,601 --> 01:21:15,835
Every time I see someone,
1853
01:21:15,869 --> 01:21:17,737
it reminds me of my
brother, I liked...
1854
01:21:23,076 --> 01:21:26,079
(slow somber music)
1855
01:21:27,947 --> 01:21:30,984
(stammers) It runs through
your mind quite often,
1856
01:21:31,017 --> 01:21:32,118
you know what I mean?
1857
01:21:32,152 --> 01:21:33,853
You, you don't forget things.
1858
01:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,822
Some people forget
things, but I don't.
1859
01:21:39,193 --> 01:21:40,794
It comes back.
1860
01:21:40,827 --> 01:21:43,563
I have, I still have
dreams about it at night.
1861
01:21:47,401 --> 01:21:50,103
Oh, yeah, you try to
put it out of your mind,
1862
01:21:50,136 --> 01:21:51,037
but it's still there.
1863
01:21:52,739 --> 01:21:55,708
(slow somber music)
1864
01:22:01,714 --> 01:22:03,850
It made me fucking
happy to be alive.
1865
01:22:16,096 --> 01:22:18,765
December, well, Beach
died December the 7th.
1866
01:22:18,798 --> 01:22:20,667
They sent the ashes to Pat.
1867
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:23,270
He got them, put them in
the trunk of his car saying,
1868
01:22:23,304 --> 01:22:25,339
"We're gonna go up to Beach's
and spread the ashes."
1869
01:22:25,372 --> 01:22:28,675
And that was six
years ago. (laughs)
1870
01:22:28,708 --> 01:22:30,043
During the war, Pat
was in the Navy,
1871
01:22:30,076 --> 01:22:31,911
Beach was in the Army, and
I was in the Marine Corps.
1872
01:22:31,945 --> 01:22:33,613
We represented
all three outfits.
1873
01:22:56,337 --> 01:22:59,240
(crow bar clamors)
1874
01:23:22,496 --> 01:23:24,231
Seven years later,
1875
01:23:24,265 --> 01:23:25,832
and Beach wanted them
dumped over the patio,
1876
01:23:25,865 --> 01:23:27,800
so I'm gonna dump them
over the patio here.
1877
01:23:27,834 --> 01:23:28,968
The wind is blowing
a little bit,
1878
01:23:29,002 --> 01:23:31,172
so I think I'll dump them here.
1879
01:23:31,205 --> 01:23:33,207
I think I'll just dump
them right down here.
1880
01:23:38,312 --> 01:23:41,315
(slow somber music)
1881
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:49,989
If I dump them here,
they'll last longer there.
1882
01:23:50,023 --> 01:23:51,824
You know, you know what this
reminds me very much of?
1883
01:23:51,858 --> 01:23:55,161
Throwing guys overboard, a
fucking dead guy's aboard ship,
1884
01:23:55,196 --> 01:23:55,995
you throw them overboard,
1885
01:23:56,029 --> 01:23:57,498
just like you do
the fucking garbage.
1886
01:23:57,531 --> 01:23:59,166
Now people think
they had burials.
1887
01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:59,999
Bull shit.
1888
01:24:00,033 --> 01:24:01,000
You just,
1889
01:24:01,034 --> 01:24:03,036
you grab one, then
another, and then another,
1890
01:24:03,069 --> 01:24:05,439
and another, you just keep
pitching them overboard.
1891
01:24:05,472 --> 01:24:08,209
And that's what they
did in World War II.
1892
01:24:08,242 --> 01:24:11,212
(somber opera music)
1893
01:24:26,493 --> 01:24:29,128
My baby Beach's ashes are
over the side of the hill
1894
01:24:29,162 --> 01:24:30,231
where he wanted them.
1895
01:24:31,164 --> 01:24:34,268
(somber opera music)
1896
01:24:36,203 --> 01:24:38,805
Yeah, without a doubt,
Beach was a good person.
1897
01:24:39,973 --> 01:24:42,243
A good person, and
always very nice to me.
1898
01:24:43,277 --> 01:24:46,247
(somber opera music)
1899
01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:51,218
The bad things
that happened were:
1900
01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:54,988
my brother, my daughter,
1901
01:24:55,822 --> 01:24:57,291
Bette,
1902
01:24:57,324 --> 01:24:59,859
and the most recent one
was my little doggie dying
1903
01:24:59,892 --> 01:25:01,027
that I loved so much.
1904
01:25:02,161 --> 01:25:03,330
And you're gonna
say that's foolish.
1905
01:25:03,364 --> 01:25:05,164
It's not foolish.
1906
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,534
Can you understand how I could
love a little doggie or not?
1907
01:25:07,568 --> 01:25:08,369
- [Matt] I can.
1908
01:25:09,637 --> 01:25:12,573
- [Scotty] Some people don't,
that's why I don't tell them.
1909
01:25:12,606 --> 01:25:14,974
- [Matt] You've had some
pretty terrible things happen
1910
01:25:15,008 --> 01:25:15,908
in your life.
1911
01:25:15,942 --> 01:25:17,344
Do you think that
you've had to keep busy
1912
01:25:17,378 --> 01:25:19,280
to not think about] your
brother and the others?
1913
01:25:19,313 --> 01:25:20,314
- [Scotty] Yes, yes, I do.
1914
01:25:20,347 --> 01:25:22,249
I created happy things,
1915
01:25:22,283 --> 01:25:25,952
and making people happy
to kind of compensate
1916
01:25:25,985 --> 01:25:27,854
for the unhappy things.
1917
01:25:27,887 --> 01:25:29,356
Do you think that's possible?
1918
01:25:31,090 --> 01:25:32,192
- [Matt] That many good years,
1919
01:25:34,027 --> 01:25:36,497
the late '40s and the '50s
were such a glorious time--
1920
01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:37,897
- [Scotty] It was
a glorious time
1921
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:39,366
because nothing bad happened
1922
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,169
to anyone, you could do
as many people as you want
1923
01:25:42,202 --> 01:25:44,070
and fuck around as
much as you want.
1924
01:25:44,103 --> 01:25:46,473
Things really didn't
change along those lines
1925
01:25:46,507 --> 01:25:48,041
until AIDS came along.
1926
01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:50,977
(slow somber music)
1927
01:25:51,010 --> 01:25:52,579
When I think of all
the people that I knew,
1928
01:25:52,613 --> 01:25:54,981
who not only had AIDS,
but died of AIDS,
1929
01:25:55,014 --> 01:25:57,917
I mean, a lot of them,
not some, but a lot.
1930
01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:58,851
And I mean, a lot.
1931
01:26:02,356 --> 01:26:03,823
Look at, look at Rock Hudson.
1932
01:26:05,058 --> 01:26:07,494
That AIDS was a very sad thing.
1933
01:26:07,528 --> 01:26:09,263
Is a very sad thing.
1934
01:26:10,264 --> 01:26:12,065
(slow soft piano music)
1935
01:26:12,098 --> 01:26:13,434
Rock was a good friend of mine.
1936
01:26:13,467 --> 01:26:15,336
He changed so much
in appearance,
1937
01:26:15,369 --> 01:26:17,538
you hardly knew
him in a matter of
1938
01:26:17,571 --> 01:26:18,871
two or three months.
1939
01:26:20,174 --> 01:26:21,342
I remember when he
went off to Paris
1940
01:26:21,375 --> 01:26:24,278
thinking they're gonna cure
him in France or something.
1941
01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:28,549
- Hollywood was shocked
by the Rock Hudson story
1942
01:26:28,582 --> 01:26:32,353
because there was not
really an acknowledgement
1943
01:26:32,386 --> 01:26:37,090
of the gay scene and the secrecy
surrounding his condition.
1944
01:26:37,123 --> 01:26:39,125
That hit the town
like a tidal wave.
1945
01:26:40,461 --> 01:26:42,028
- This ended the Hollywood
myth right there.
1946
01:26:42,061 --> 01:26:44,897
That, that exposed it
as the lie that it was.
1947
01:26:44,931 --> 01:26:47,434
And Hollywood was never
the same again after that.
1948
01:26:48,402 --> 01:26:49,236
Things changed for Scotty.
1949
01:26:49,269 --> 01:26:52,406
Scotty was devastated
by Rock's death.
1950
01:26:53,674 --> 01:26:57,311
He was aware that this was a
disease that was spreading.
1951
01:26:58,579 --> 01:27:02,383
AIDS brought a whole
new layer of danger
1952
01:27:02,416 --> 01:27:05,319
and risk to being
gay in Hollywood.
1953
01:27:07,654 --> 01:27:10,056
- When AIDS came along,
I thought I'm gonna pass
1954
01:27:10,089 --> 01:27:12,659
on fixing people up
because I don't want to
1955
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:15,396
be involved in that.
1956
01:27:16,597 --> 01:27:19,233
It's a case of, you just
hope you don't catch it.
1957
01:27:19,266 --> 01:27:20,032
- [Matt] Luck.
1958
01:27:20,066 --> 01:27:20,667
- [Scotty] Luck.
1959
01:27:20,701 --> 01:27:22,001
That's right.
1960
01:27:22,034 --> 01:27:23,136
That's exactly what it'd be.
1961
01:27:23,170 --> 01:27:25,472
It'd have to be just luck,
just one of those things.
1962
01:27:27,073 --> 01:27:27,907
- Honey?
1963
01:27:30,277 --> 01:27:31,378
He shouldn't be up there.
1964
01:27:38,452 --> 01:27:41,154
(dog barking)
1965
01:27:44,658 --> 01:27:46,326
What are you doing?
1966
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,262
- [Scotty] I'm gonna get over
to the ladder and get down.
1967
01:27:48,295 --> 01:27:49,496
- [Lois] Oh, good.
1968
01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:51,732
- Jesus, when I think
of how I used to be able
1969
01:27:51,765 --> 01:27:54,435
to maneuver around, now
I'm a fucking cripple.
1970
01:27:54,468 --> 01:27:55,502
My goddamn arm.
1971
01:27:56,670 --> 01:27:58,439
- [Lois] You shouldn't
be doing this.
1972
01:27:58,472 --> 01:27:59,339
- [Scotty] Wait a minute.
1973
01:27:59,373 --> 01:28:01,642
(babbles)
1974
01:28:01,675 --> 01:28:04,344
Fuck, what's the matter
with my goddamn legs now?
1975
01:28:05,779 --> 01:28:07,414
Is it on the thing?
1976
01:28:07,448 --> 01:28:08,749
- [Lois] Yeah.
1977
01:28:08,782 --> 01:28:10,184
(Scotty sighs)
1978
01:28:10,217 --> 01:28:12,453
(ladder rattling)
1979
01:28:12,486 --> 01:28:15,489
(slow somber music)
1980
01:28:22,196 --> 01:28:24,598
- Apparently, I had a little
bit of a kidney problem
1981
01:28:24,631 --> 01:28:26,400
from taking Atabrine.
1982
01:28:26,433 --> 01:28:29,203
Atabrine is for the
prevention of malaria.
1983
01:28:30,136 --> 01:28:31,371
They found out later that
1984
01:28:33,173 --> 01:28:34,441
everybody that took that,
1985
01:28:35,776 --> 01:28:39,145
it did damage to their kidneys.
1986
01:28:39,179 --> 01:28:40,647
- [Matt] You took
it during the war?
1987
01:28:40,681 --> 01:28:42,349
- Took it for three years, yeah.
1988
01:28:42,382 --> 01:28:44,384
And I should never
have taken that shit.
1989
01:28:45,719 --> 01:28:47,688
Reserved only for who?
1990
01:28:47,721 --> 01:28:49,356
- [Matt] Volunteer parking.
1991
01:28:49,389 --> 01:28:50,457
- I'm a fucking volunteer.
1992
01:28:50,491 --> 01:28:51,692
Fuck it. (laughs)
1993
01:28:51,725 --> 01:28:54,126
- They do ultrasound
every so often
1994
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,028
to check how the kidneys are.
1995
01:28:56,062 --> 01:29:00,132
And obviously,
they're slowly going,
1996
01:29:00,167 --> 01:29:04,238
'cause when it first started
it was only 25% loss.
1997
01:29:04,271 --> 01:29:05,639
You know, then they
said, maybe someday
1998
01:29:05,672 --> 01:29:08,509
we'll have to consider dialysis.
1999
01:29:08,542 --> 01:29:09,543
And the last time he went
2000
01:29:09,576 --> 01:29:11,110
they said we have to do it.
2001
01:29:12,746 --> 01:29:14,046
They wanna put the,
2002
01:29:15,582 --> 01:29:19,219
like a stent in
his arm and, soon.
2003
01:29:22,322 --> 01:29:25,459
I think he thinks he can
buy a kidney someplace.
2004
01:29:28,395 --> 01:29:30,564
- [Scotty] Lee,
how are you, baby?
2005
01:29:30,597 --> 01:29:31,732
Huh?
2006
01:29:31,765 --> 01:29:33,065
You sweetheart.
2007
01:29:33,099 --> 01:29:35,736
(slow soft music)
2008
01:29:37,771 --> 01:29:39,406
- [Lee] Morning.
2009
01:29:44,678 --> 01:29:45,812
- You know, Lee and I said,
2010
01:29:45,846 --> 01:29:47,548
to show you what a buddy is,
2011
01:29:47,581 --> 01:29:49,616
Lee called me and said he
wants to give me a kidney.
2012
01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:50,851
(laughs)
2013
01:29:50,884 --> 01:29:52,084
Now is that a buddy?
2014
01:29:53,453 --> 01:29:54,621
I said you're a real buddy.
2015
01:29:56,122 --> 01:29:57,357
You're a real buddy, Lee.
2016
01:30:00,227 --> 01:30:03,497
(garage door rattling)
2017
01:30:04,865 --> 01:30:08,402
(slow soft piano music)
2018
01:30:12,172 --> 01:30:13,473
I often think back of
2019
01:30:14,808 --> 01:30:16,476
how nice things were.
2020
01:30:16,510 --> 01:30:20,247
I can't think back of any bad
scenes or bad things at all.
2021
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:26,420
And, and so many people
have said the nicest
2022
01:30:26,453 --> 01:30:29,222
and best time of their whole
life was that gas station.
2023
01:30:31,525 --> 01:30:35,762
And that's why I felt good that
I made so many people happy.
2024
01:30:35,796 --> 01:30:38,164
(laughs)
2025
01:30:39,633 --> 01:30:40,534
- [Female Reporter]
Team coverage,
2026
01:30:40,567 --> 01:30:42,269
Jay Yamamoto is looking ahead
2027
01:30:42,302 --> 01:30:43,403
for what is next
for gay couples.
2028
01:30:43,437 --> 01:30:45,505
- [Male Reporter] The decision
from the Supreme Court
2029
01:30:45,539 --> 01:30:48,642
now paves the way to historic
change here in California.
2030
01:30:48,675 --> 01:30:51,244
- The Justices
dismissed Proposition 8
2031
01:30:51,278 --> 01:30:54,648
and the news sent shockwaves
throughout Southern California.
2032
01:30:54,681 --> 01:30:57,784
(slow soft piano music)
2033
01:31:02,856 --> 01:31:05,792
(people chattering)
2034
01:31:09,896 --> 01:31:13,233
- I would say the timing
is just about right, now.
2035
01:31:14,668 --> 01:31:16,637
And when I tell people the gas
station days were different,
2036
01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:18,572
I mean they were
completely different.
2037
01:31:20,207 --> 01:31:21,842
50 or 60 years ago, this
could have never happened,
2038
01:31:21,875 --> 01:31:23,377
you know that, impossible.
2039
01:31:26,647 --> 01:31:30,283
- History evolves in
incremental steps,
2040
01:31:30,317 --> 01:31:35,322
and Scotty really was
lighting a way forward
2041
01:31:35,989 --> 01:31:37,557
that we are now embracing
2042
01:31:37,591 --> 01:31:40,327
where the motto is:
Do your own thing.
2043
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,363
He was doing that when it
was not culturally accepted.
2044
01:31:44,331 --> 01:31:45,499
- You want to wear
those clothes?
2045
01:31:45,532 --> 01:31:46,733
- No, I don't wanna
wear this thing,
2046
01:31:46,767 --> 01:31:48,702
I just want to get married!
2047
01:31:48,735 --> 01:31:49,803
(dog barks)
2048
01:31:49,836 --> 01:31:52,372
- We were given a myth,
2049
01:31:52,406 --> 01:31:55,575
and it's important
to show the public
2050
01:31:55,609 --> 01:31:58,345
that their heroes can be flawed,
2051
01:31:58,378 --> 01:31:59,746
or their heroes
can be complicated,
2052
01:31:59,780 --> 01:32:01,348
or their heroes can be gay.
2053
01:32:02,716 --> 01:32:05,852
You know, Scotty holds a
mirror up to the culture
2054
01:32:05,886 --> 01:32:09,790
to help people see the kind
of puritanical nature of,
2055
01:32:09,823 --> 01:32:13,326
not only the culture during
the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s,
2056
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:14,494
but even to this day.
2057
01:32:16,496 --> 01:32:18,665
- I think a mistake would
be to look at the story
2058
01:32:18,699 --> 01:32:20,667
of Scotty's being a
story of a, you know,
2059
01:32:20,701 --> 01:32:24,337
gay renegade in a gay
world, in a gay subculture.
2060
01:32:24,371 --> 01:32:27,340
Because, Scotty was pre-gay.
2061
01:32:27,374 --> 01:32:30,744
He, he himself doesn't conform
to any particular label.
2062
01:32:31,712 --> 01:32:33,914
Scotty just breezes
across all the fences
2063
01:32:33,947 --> 01:32:36,550
that we erect to separate
ourselves from others.
2064
01:32:39,686 --> 01:32:43,623
♪ Nights are long
2065
01:32:43,657 --> 01:32:48,562
♪ Since you went away
2066
01:32:48,595 --> 01:32:52,632
♪ I think of you
2067
01:32:52,666 --> 01:32:56,903
♪ All through the day
2068
01:32:56,937 --> 01:33:00,474
♪ My buddy
2069
01:33:00,507 --> 01:33:04,010
♪ My buddy
2070
01:33:04,044 --> 01:33:08,949
♪ Nobody quite so true
2071
01:33:13,787 --> 01:33:18,625
♪ Miss your voice
2072
01:33:18,658 --> 01:33:22,929
♪ The touch of your hand
2073
01:33:22,963 --> 01:33:27,300
♪ I hope to know
2074
01:33:27,334 --> 01:33:31,972
♪ That you understand
2075
01:33:32,005 --> 01:33:35,575
♪ My buddy
2076
01:33:35,609 --> 01:33:39,579
♪ My buddy
2077
01:33:39,613 --> 01:33:44,618
♪ Your buddy misses
2078
01:33:46,386 --> 01:33:48,021
♪ You
2079
01:33:54,060 --> 01:33:58,064
(audience clapping & cheering)
2080
01:34:04,771 --> 01:34:07,741
("The Hut-Sut Song")
2081
01:34:13,814 --> 01:34:17,918
♪ In a town in Sweden by a
stream so clear and cool ♪
2082
01:34:17,951 --> 01:34:20,086
♪ Some boys would sit
and fish and dream ♪
2083
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,756
♪ When they should've
been in school ♪
2084
01:34:22,789 --> 01:34:24,925
♪ They couldn't read
or write a word ♪
2085
01:34:24,958 --> 01:34:27,460
♪ But happiness they found
2086
01:34:27,494 --> 01:34:29,896
♪ In a little song they heard
2087
01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:31,765
♪ Here's how it would sound
2088
01:34:31,798 --> 01:34:33,867
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2089
01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:36,036
♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it
2090
01:34:36,069 --> 01:34:38,638
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2091
01:34:38,672 --> 01:34:40,774
♪ And a brawla soo-it
2092
01:34:40,807 --> 01:34:42,976
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2093
01:34:43,009 --> 01:34:45,445
♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it
2094
01:34:45,478 --> 01:34:47,747
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2095
01:34:47,781 --> 01:34:50,417
♪ And a brawla soo-it
2096
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:52,853
♪ Now the Rawlson
is a Swedish town ♪
2097
01:34:52,886 --> 01:34:54,821
♪ The Rillerah is a stream
2098
01:34:54,855 --> 01:34:57,090
♪ The brawla is
the boy and girl ♪
2099
01:34:57,123 --> 01:34:59,025
♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream
2100
01:34:59,059 --> 01:35:01,394
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2101
01:35:01,428 --> 01:35:03,663
♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it
2102
01:35:03,697 --> 01:35:05,899
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2103
01:35:05,932 --> 01:35:08,702
♪ And a brawla soo-it
2104
01:35:08,735 --> 01:35:11,905
("The Hut-Sut Song")
2105
01:35:48,742 --> 01:35:51,011
♪ Now the Rawlson
is a Swedish town ♪
2106
01:35:51,044 --> 01:35:53,046
♪ The Rillerah is a stream
2107
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:55,582
♪ The brawla is
the boy and girl ♪
2108
01:35:55,615 --> 01:35:57,150
♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream
2109
01:35:57,184 --> 01:35:59,586
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2110
01:35:59,619 --> 01:36:01,788
♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it
2111
01:36:01,821 --> 01:36:03,823
♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson
on the Rillerah ♪
2112
01:36:03,857 --> 01:36:07,560
♪ And brawla soo-it
2113
01:36:07,594 --> 01:36:11,831
(moves into soft
orchestral music)
2114
01:37:12,759 --> 01:37:16,763
(soft playful orchestral music)
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