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Back in the day,
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we were the people that stood in line
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at a record store waiting
for the gate to open.
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Because the discovery
of music was everything.
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For years,
the only way you would be able
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to judge what you should get
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was you'd look at
the cover and be like,
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"Oh, that's cool.
That's gonna piss off my parents"
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or "That looks rockin'," or whatever.
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And it was all we looked forward to
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was to open that cellophane
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and see what would
fall out of the jacket.
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Sometimes there would
be a picture or something,
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and smell it and hold it,
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put it on the turntable,
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drop the needle, and when
this music's in your blood
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and Dio and the music
he made's in your blood,
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it's just impossible to... to get out.
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When you're a kid,
you're looking for a voice,
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somethin' that says,
"This is my generation."
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And for us, it was Heavy Metal.
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And then all of a
sudden comes this dude
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with the most powerful voice of all!
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With a Heavy Metal band,
the music is so powerful
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and so potent,
you really have to know
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how to control it...
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specifically singers
because we have a message.
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We have things to say.
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He found a way to create
music that makes people
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unable to contain themselves
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to the point where they refuse
to live without that music.
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I was amazed by the way
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he was able to captivate people.
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I want to know how, why...
How do you get there?
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There are a lot of people
that think of Ronnie
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as being the guy that
did this and singing metal.
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That is him,
but there's another side.
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The million dollar question...
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How do you describe
Ronnie James Dio?
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I tend to be an enigma
to a lot of people, I think.
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There was something about the guy.
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There was just something about him.
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When Ronnie sang,
he wanted to make sure
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that everyone never forgot it.
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People took it home with them
and they named their pet "Dio,"
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and they named their firstborn
"Ronnie."
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It was like, "This is Rock 'n' Roll
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that is gonna change your fucking life."
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It's been years since Ronnie passed.
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He passed on the 16th of May, 2010.
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I think he's here.
I think he's here still, all the time.
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Sometimes I hear my name called,
but there's nobody here.
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I'm probably just imagining it.
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Hello. Welcome to my home
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and welcome to Behind Closed Doors.
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This was a Christmas present
from my wife, from Wendy.
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We can see the lions and whatnot.
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Mick, away we go.
I'm gonna make this ball here,
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and then we can talk.
Ok.
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Ronnie's story traverses,
really, the whole history
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of Rock music.
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His career went on
for decade after decade.
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Here we are all these
years after he died,
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and he's still this huge
figure in Heavy Metal.
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You know,
some of these guys are immortal,
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but none more so
than Ronnie James Dio.
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We now have a media room here,
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but I still have the lions
and I still have the nostalgia
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of when we used to
have the pool table here.
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Well, you've caught me in the library,
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one of my favorite
places in all the world
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because it contains words.
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You know, he had a message.
He was a messenger.
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His message was for the
people that lived regular lives,
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had regular dreams that
meant something real.
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You know I don't play piano.
I'm a singer.
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Let's go to the bar.
It's my favorite place anyway.
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This is his favorite place, was the bar.
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So I feel his presence much more here.
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And it's a warm, comforting feeling.
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Obviously, you've had
a lot of elbows resting
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on this at one time or another.
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We never started with this.
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And why should we think
that this should last forever?
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I was just as happy, and I'm
sure Wendy was just as happy
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before struggling and
being happy together.
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I think this is all
very transitory anyway.
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It's... It comes and it goes.
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I mean, you have ups and downs.
It's like life.
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Life goes through great
waves of emotion and passion
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and great lows of
despair and whatnot.
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That's the way life is.
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There it is.
That's his beautiful trumpet
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that hasn't been
played in a long time.
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He used to play this from
when he was 5 years old.
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He never played it for me.
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It's a beautiful thing,
but he had had enough of it,
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I think from all the hours of practice
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he had to do with his dad.
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I started as a trumpet player
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when I was 5 years old.
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Oh, so you've been very musical.
Where was that?
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Upstate New York,
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a town called Cortland, New York,
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which is right in the
middle of nowhere.
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Dairy farming community.
18,000 people.
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It was a great place to
grow up because you got
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a good moral attitude.
You grew up well.
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This is the house
where Ronnie grew up.
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After he became famous,
the city decided
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that they were gonna
name the street after him
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'cause it was on the
corner of his house.
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So, this is the Dio way.
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This had been stolen a couple of times.
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His immediate family,
they were pretty straight-laced.
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His mother was, you know,
a sweetheart, of course.
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You know, the moms were
always easier on the kids
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than the father.
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My father was harsh with me.
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You know, these were the
days when a good hiding was,
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you know, right around
the corner. And boy, I...
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Believe me, I was always
up for one of those.
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I wasn't up for it,
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but I always caused
one of those, apparently.
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Everyone had the same ideas.
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They were good ethics,
good morals,
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a lot of church involved.
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Whether I believed in it
or didn't, it gave you rules.
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You know, Catholic, ya know?
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Ronnie was an altar boy.
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Ronnie loved classical music.
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His father insisted he practice trumpet
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3 hours every day, for years.
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He was a voracious reader.
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He was a smart kid in school.
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High grades, very intelligent,
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president of his class, actually.
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And he was a little bit crazy.
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One time we were riding in the car.
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There was a nun
walking down the street,
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and Ronnie stuck his
ass out the window
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and he mooned her,
so he mooned a nun.
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He was a bit of a rebel.
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He had a gang called The Angels.
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Stole a car here and there
and got in some trouble.
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It could have escalated,
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but I think not in that
family background.
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I mean, it wasn't just his father.
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There was his grandmother,
and there are pictures of her.
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She doesn't look like the kind of lady
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anybody would want to cross.
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I think for him,
can you imagine in the '50s
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how conservative times were?
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Like most musicians,
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he realized music was
a route out of that.
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This was a road to good times.
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And what blows me away, as a fan,
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when I discovered
that Ronnie James Dio,
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best metal voice you ever heard,
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he was singing in the
'50s before the Beatles.
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How is that possible?
Like, that's fascinating.
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Other than wine and weed.
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Everybody has their things.
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Some people like to
go to football games.
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Some people like to bowl.
I collect Ronnie James Dio.
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I was a radio guy,
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so I came out of Syracuse
radio in the early '60s.
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Ronnie first started in bands back in...
around 1958,
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playing trumpets and
horns and bass at the time.
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It was earlier than the Beatles.
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So, it was Bill Haley.
It was Elvis Presley.
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It was all those rockers.
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That's what the inspiration was.
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So, Ronnie was born
Ronald James Padavona.
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But when he was in bands and stuff,
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it was too long a name
and not hip enough for him.
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Ronnie got his name, "Dio,"
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famously from a real
life Mafia mob guy
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called Johnny Dio.
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Ronnie was like,
"This is evil, but it's cool."
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And so he decided,
"That's gonna be my name."
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And that was it.
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I was the guy who
didn't want to do anything
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but play the music.
I didn't want to sing.
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And everyone tried,
and everyone kind of
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fell by the wayside,
and they finally said,
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"Ok, it's your turn."
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The training as a horn player
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was so absolutely perfect as a singer.
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You play from the same
place as you sing from,
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from your diaphragm.
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In my mind, my voice was a trumpet.
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In the Red Caps,
Ronnie was so clean
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and could hit any
note he was looking for.
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You could tell this guy
is professional already
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and he's only 18.
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The Red Caps eventually
became The Prophets
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and through the years,The Prophets,
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they formed something special.
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He really had the passion
to do the best he can
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with the abilities
that he was God-given.
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Ronnie got the dream,
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so we used to talk
about that all the time.
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Ronnie was gonna be the lead singer,
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star of the show.
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And then I was going to
be his lead guitar player.
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Nicky was gonna be the
leader of any orchestration
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or the band.
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Nick Pantas was Ronnie's kind of
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musical soulmate at that point,
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that he writes with,
builds bands with,
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builds dreams with.
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Even from those
very, very early days,
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you can tell his mission
in life was to be a singer.
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You can tell it.
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One of the problems that
we really had back then...
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we could not find the genre
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that would fit Ronnie perfectly.
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He was capable of
singing anything, basically.
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He would be doing songs
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by Engelbert Humperdinck,
Tom Jones.
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Ronnie did a version of
"The Way of Love"
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that Cher had a big hit on.
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Before Cher recorded it.
It's phenomenal.
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I got in the band.
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I was just out of high
school in 1965, '66.
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We had a manager at
the time from Ithaca,
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and he was pushing Ronnie
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into following that Tom
Jones route, you know?
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Careers go in different directions.
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In those days, it wasn't fashionable
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to be in Rock 'n' Roll in order
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to want to pursue that as a career.
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It really made no sense at all to do.
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Well, I loved it so much
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that it was going to
make sense for me to do.
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We found a way to be discovered
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All the series of pictures were taken
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in my parents' basement.
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And we took rolls of tinfoil,
and we hung it up in the back.
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And that's when the
Beatles first came out,
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so everybody started
to grow their hair long.
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We decided to change the
name to The Electric Elves.
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I mean, we used to
have a van that said
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"Electric Elves" on it.
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They thought we were
electrical contractors.
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"Uh, my house needs wiring.
Call The Electric Elves over.
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They're small. They can get into
the crawl space really easily."
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You know and at that time,
playing clubs,
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you're doing cover songs.
251
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When The Beatles album came out,
we learned the whole album.
252
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You know, because Ronnie
could sing the whole album.
253
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We were doing so well
from a playing standpoint,
254
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you know, going from Maine
to North Carolina to Detroit.
255
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We wanted to be better musically
256
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and wanted to be
something special.
257
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1968, I had been out
of the band for a while
258
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and Ronnie was playing clubs,
259
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like they were always playing clubs,
260
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and they were called The Electric Elves.
261
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We played in, uh...
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I think it was Waterbury,
Connecticut, for a week.
263
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And, uh, we decided not to
stay overnight the last night.
264
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Our gear was in the back of the van.
We all rode in the van,
265
00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:46,969
so we decided to
drive home that night
266
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rather than stay another night.
267
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And a drunk driver ends
up crossing the lane
268
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and hits us head on.
269
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I woke up in a
hospital bed with Ronnie
270
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next to me in the other bed.
271
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We looked like zombies.
Ronnie hit the windshield.
272
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His whole scalp was torn back.
273
00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:13,996
He had over a hundred
stitches in his scalp.
274
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Nicky was driving,
and it impacted the front,
275
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pinned him in the steering wheel
276
00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,795
and he actually bled to death.
277
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,887
Uh... it... it...
it was really hard to believe,
278
00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:33,891
to understand that that could happen.
279
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,226
This is such a catastrophe,
280
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not just for, obviously,
for Nick and his family,
281
00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:42,107
but for Ronnie,
it becomes a moment of,
282
00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:46,528
"Is this time to throw in the towel?
Is this a sign?
283
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Is this just not meant to be?"
284
00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:57,122
That's a slide...
That's one slide of Ronnie's.
285
00:15:57,164 --> 00:16:00,084
You can see it's...
it's after the accident
286
00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,211
when his hair was
just starting to grow in.
287
00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:05,673
Ronnie, when he was a kid,
succeeded really greatly
288
00:16:05,714 --> 00:16:07,508
as far as academics.
289
00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:11,762
At some point he started college
and he was taking pharmacy.
290
00:16:11,804 --> 00:16:15,099
So, after the accident,
he could have chosen anything,
291
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,184
any avenue to go to.
292
00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:19,687
I remember the moment when I said,
293
00:16:19,728 --> 00:16:21,897
"We gonna put this thing
back together?" And he said,
294
00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,691
"Yeah, we're gonna put
this thing back together."
295
00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:26,318
In our minds, we were wanting to go
296
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,071
to Led Zeppelin, The Who.
We idolized Deep Purple.
297
00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:31,949
Deep Purple, that's what
was heaviest, you know?
298
00:16:36,578 --> 00:16:39,748
And we just said, "Ok,
that's what we wanna do."
299
00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:42,501
And the death of Nick Pantas,
300
00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:44,628
that terrible crash
301
00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:47,131
that could have easily
dissuaded lesser men
302
00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,466
just to say, "You know what? I'm done,"
303
00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:52,344
Ronnie decides, "No, I'm not done.
304
00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,514
In fact, I'm only just getting started."
305
00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,946
He decides to build this
306
00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:13,240
into something more contemporary
307
00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:16,118
with, you know, a shit ton of power.
308
00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,457
There's just a power and a presence.
309
00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:23,834
It's remarkable when
you think that a man
310
00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:26,003
of such small stature
311
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,463
had the biggest voice
you're ever going to hear.
312
00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:30,299
Eventually, we became Elf.
313
00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,301
We were very small and
all kinds of hair and beards
314
00:17:32,342 --> 00:17:33,802
and the whole deal.
We'd walk out on stage
315
00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:36,346
and actually, people started to chuckle.
316
00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:38,932
But when we hit the first note,
it was like,
317
00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:41,810
jaws dropped, you know?
318
00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:50,194
And suddenly,
you've got not just a new band
319
00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:52,863
but a new sound, a new attitude.
320
00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:58,035
And the beginnings
of the Ronnie James Dio
321
00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,955
that would become famous.
322
00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:08,879
We came up with those songs,
323
00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,714
and that's what ended
up getting us an audition
324
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,591
with, you know, Columbia.
325
00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:16,804
Elf were auditioning
for the famous Clive Davis
326
00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:19,598
who discovered everybody,
just everybody.
327
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,018
And we were gonna audition for him.
Wow.
328
00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,105
At the time,
Roger Glover and Ian Paice
329
00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:27,731
from Deep Purple,
330
00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,149
out of the blue, for some reason,
331
00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,276
they wanted to become producers.
332
00:18:31,318 --> 00:18:34,113
So, somehow they got involved
in coming to this audition.
333
00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:35,739
We were told just at the last moment
334
00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,366
that Roger and Ian were coming.
335
00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,243
Well, that put us in quite a turmoil
336
00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:41,537
because 2 of our heroes?
Oh, my Lord.
337
00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:43,247
"Oh, my God.
Like, you know, 2 people
338
00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,957
from Deep Purple are
gonna be here, you know?"
339
00:18:44,998 --> 00:18:47,376
It's like, and I idolized
the band, you know?
340
00:18:47,417 --> 00:18:49,378
Some chairs set up,
and Clive comes in
341
00:18:49,419 --> 00:18:51,630
and a couple people with him.
342
00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,132
And then Roger and Ian come in.
343
00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:55,050
Well, well, well.
344
00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:56,552
There were probably, I don't know,
345
00:18:56,593 --> 00:18:59,596
15 or 20 suits in the room.
346
00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:01,181
You know, Clive Davis, et cetera,
347
00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,683
all these people and white wine
348
00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:04,226
and you know, It's all,
"Thank you very much."
349
00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:07,771
And then these 4 midgets walked out.
350
00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:11,859
And I go, "What's this?
A circus act or something?" You know.
351
00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,736
Standing there and
playing in front of, like,
352
00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:17,114
you know, record executives,
353
00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,449
and not to mention
2 guys in Deep Purple,
354
00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:22,327
and you have to try to sell yourself.
355
00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:24,663
It was, like, a big deal.
356
00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:26,498
You know, we played the songs,
357
00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,208
and it was like, "Alright, that's enough.
358
00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:30,127
We don't need to
hear any more songs."
359
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,087
And everybody gets up.
You know, we couldn't hear
360
00:19:32,129 --> 00:19:34,673
what they were talking about,
and everybody leaves.
361
00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:40,345
We don't know if they
hated it or if they loved it.
362
00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:43,098
I mean, we were knocked out.
Absolutely knocked out.
363
00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,142
And we said,
"Yeah, we'll do this. We'll do this."
364
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,770
And we flew down to Atlanta
and recorded the album.
365
00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,118
And then we got to go
on tour with Deep Purple.
366
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,372
So we went from playing
bars to playing arenas.
367
00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:10,000
We really felt like we made it
at that time, you know?
368
00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,877
Little did we know
there's a long way to go
369
00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,545
before you really make it.
370
00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,548
I always had places
that I wanted to get to.
371
00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,467
Deep Purple were my favorite band.
372
00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:20,719
We must have done
probably 8 full tours
373
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:24,389
with the band.
So, Elf took on the world.
374
00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,141
You know, that was the beginning,
certainly for me.
375
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,234
So, over the course
376
00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,110
of the next couple of years touring,
377
00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,904
Ronnie was always around us.
378
00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,739
I fell in love with
the sound of his voice,
379
00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:42,908
then I fell in love
with his personality,
380
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,119
then I fell in love with
him as a human being.
381
00:20:46,161 --> 00:20:48,538
He was great.
He was funny, strong-willed.
382
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,916
And he believed in what he did.
383
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:54,044
Go for what you believe in,
and that's what Ronnie was.
384
00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,714
He was...
he was a hard fist coming at you.
385
00:20:57,756 --> 00:21:00,300
You know, I just loved the guy.
386
00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:02,427
I just genuinely loved him.
387
00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,932
It was born into him
from generations of eons
388
00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:09,393
of lifetimes ago
389
00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,854
to be...kind.
390
00:21:24,324 --> 00:21:27,286
Growing up a Deep Purple fan,
391
00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,372
it's just, like, they were the biggest
392
00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:34,251
and the fucking baddest
of all the musicians
393
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,128
on the planet.
394
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:42,009
And... And fucking Blackmore.
Oh, my fucking God.
395
00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:45,971
Ritchie Blackmore...
396
00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,473
he's like the "Deep" in Deep Purple.
397
00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,976
Uh, he's a mystery within a riddle.
398
00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:54,104
He's not the easiest
man to get on with.
399
00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,480
I barely saw Ritchie in Deep Purple
400
00:21:55,522 --> 00:21:57,482
when I was in the band.
401
00:21:57,524 --> 00:22:00,819
Ritchie was an isolator,
and this is in the days
402
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:02,904
where there was no
separate dressing rooms.
403
00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,115
Well, he had his own dressing room.
404
00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,576
He stayed at different hotels, basically.
405
00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:11,246
And he never partook
in any group endeavors.
406
00:22:11,288 --> 00:22:17,002
No after dinner parties, no...
No.
407
00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:21,631
Blackmore left Purple
408
00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,509
because they were going
in a more funk direction.
409
00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:32,017
I was going to leave Deep Purple
410
00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:34,603
no matter what because I didn't
respect that type of music
411
00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:36,313
that we were getting into,
412
00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,523
but luckily at the same time,
I met Ronnie.
413
00:22:38,565 --> 00:22:40,776
Ritchie and I really had
414
00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:42,694
the same kind
of musical feelings.
415
00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,863
We were engrossed in
the classical kind of music,
416
00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:47,032
Bach especially.
417
00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:49,701
And we felt that there was
a great place in music
418
00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:54,081
to kind of revive
that mystical, magical aura
419
00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:57,709
and put it into
today's kind of, uh, context.
420
00:22:57,751 --> 00:23:00,087
Ritchie left and went to start,
you know,
421
00:23:00,128 --> 00:23:02,589
putting Rainbow together
with the guys in Elf,
422
00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,091
you know, pretty much.
423
00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:05,884
By the time Rainbow gets going,
424
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:08,011
you got the Mount
Rushmore of heavy Rock...
425
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:12,140
Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin.
426
00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:15,310
All of them shared
a common denominator
427
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,979
in the sense that they were
all coming from the blues.
428
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,316
Ronnie James Dio
and Ritchie Blackmore wanted
429
00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:25,862
to explore this kind of
neoclassical heavy Rock music
430
00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,907
that is something way beyond,
431
00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,702
so Rainbow is taking
this spaceship to a new place.
432
00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:42,504
As a teenager,
I came from an abusive family,
433
00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,423
physically and verbally abusive,
434
00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:48,760
in and out of hospitals
and stitches and, um, surgeries.
435
00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:51,930
So, music was
extremely important to me
436
00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:53,974
because I had no one.
437
00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:58,937
I remember I was in a car.
Deep Purple had just broken up.
438
00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,815
Disco was starting
to make its scene.
439
00:24:01,857 --> 00:24:04,776
The world was upside down.
440
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,405
And all of a sudden,
441
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,323
"Men on the Silver Mountain"
comes on the radio.
442
00:24:10,365 --> 00:24:12,451
And I was like, "Yeah!"
443
00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:13,702
You know,
you're just all fired up.
444
00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:16,079
Ritchie Blackmore was back.
445
00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:18,915
Then, I first heard
Ronnie James Dio's voice,
446
00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:21,668
and I was like,
"Who the hell is that?"
447
00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,387
He was like a whole universe
448
00:24:32,429 --> 00:24:34,306
that was concealed
within one man.
449
00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:48,737
And so at one point,
the world was upside down,
450
00:24:48,778 --> 00:24:50,655
and it turned it
right side up again.
451
00:24:50,697 --> 00:24:53,158
This is not just another Rock band.
452
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,660
It's gonna take what
we used to call "heavy Rock"
453
00:24:55,702 --> 00:25:00,499
into a whole vista that
really hasn't existed before.
454
00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,919
And it was all
about this dynamic
455
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,671
between
this incredible guitarist
456
00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:08,465
and this extraordinary singer
457
00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,176
that almost
everybody had never heard of.
458
00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,804
I remember going to
Munich to do an album,
459
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,515
and Ritchie was
in the same studio.
460
00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:18,433
And he said,
"Oh, I gotta play you a song."
461
00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:21,102
"Stargazer," full blast.
462
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,278
I was blown away.
That was like a masterpiece.
463
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,201
Ronnie sang about
mystical, magical stars
464
00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,161
and universe and dreams.
465
00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:50,048
That's what I do with my music.
I'm a narrator.
466
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:52,717
I give people avenues
which they can go down.
467
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,553
Safe avenues.
468
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,434
I don't shove it
down their throats.
469
00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,270
They're your dreams
to try to attain.
470
00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:05,021
I don't tell them
this is what they must do.
471
00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:07,023
So, a narrator is what I am.
472
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,069
In the "Runaways" days,
I would put on "Stargazer."
473
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:13,905
All my dreams and all
my hopes would come out.
474
00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:16,616
That gave me all the strength
475
00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:18,118
and all the power
I ever needed
476
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,245
in guitar playing and music
477
00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,831
and just my everyday shit.
478
00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:26,042
Even though Ronnie
could really sing blues
479
00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,877
if he wanted to,
480
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:32,924
lyrically, he was never
the victim in his lyrics.
481
00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,927
It was more of a sage.
482
00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:40,056
You can see, but you're blind
483
00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:43,184
Someone turn the sun around
484
00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:46,730
What you can see in your mind
485
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:50,775
The gates of Babylon
486
00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445
And the things we
wrote were so different.
487
00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:57,073
That was the band, you know,
I wanted to be in forever.
488
00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:59,618
That was my chance to do
what I was born to do,
489
00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,745
which is to write
classically oriented
490
00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,915
Ronnie was now firmly embedded
491
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:09,878
into the Gothic
and medieval Rock of Rainbow.
492
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,881
He'd found his niche.
He'd found his new character.
493
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,262
Well, here we are...
494
00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,598
the famous
Rainbow Bar and Grill.
495
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,683
Uh, land of fruits and nuts,
496
00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,560
and, uh, they always
used to say that.
497
00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:28,438
Moving and, uh, it was...
498
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,984
it still is the place to be
on Sunset Strip.
499
00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,655
I came to Los Angeles in around '74.
500
00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:39,449
I got a job in a... in a diner,
501
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,284
and then I was doing
a little bit of acting.
502
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,203
I didn't mean to
do acting, actually.
503
00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:44,996
Uh, I went with a girlfriend
of mine,
504
00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:47,499
and we went there, uh, as, um,
505
00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:48,291
stand-in, what do you call it?
Uh...
506
00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,918
Extras?
507
00:27:49,959 --> 00:27:51,503
Extras.
Yeah, we went in as extras.
508
00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,339
It was a movie called
Death Race 2000.
509
00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:57,008
And this guy that I had to rub
510
00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:59,010
his shoulders and stuff,
he was telling me that
511
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,639
he had written a movie and it
was gonna be a big time.
512
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,432
And I thought,
"Yeah, yeah, right, whatever."
513
00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:06,976
It actually turned out
to be Sylvester Stallone.
514
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,937
You schmuck.
515
00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:12,232
And then, I met a-a girl
at a party and she said,
516
00:28:12,273 --> 00:28:14,359
"Well, why don't you
get a job at The Rainbow?"
517
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,573
We had everyone in here...
518
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:23,201
Led Zeppelin,
Deep Purple, The Who.
519
00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:25,495
Anyone you could possibly
think of was in here.
520
00:28:28,998 --> 00:28:32,460
So this is the table
where it all happened.
521
00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,130
This is where
I met Ronnie, uh, with Ritchie,
522
00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:37,507
and he introduced me
to Ronnie.
523
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,634
And they invited me to go
to a party afterwards
524
00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,011
up at their house,
and so I went up there.
525
00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:46,433
We talked, and, uh,
followed me around a lot.
526
00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,727
I said,
"He's too short for me."
527
00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:51,271
But then he talked to me more,
528
00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:54,149
and we talked on the phone,
and Ronnie being Ronnie,
529
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:57,652
he's a very personal person,
he was so interesting
530
00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:01,406
and such a very wonderful person
531
00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:04,200
who loved animals as I did.
532
00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:08,163
He love to talk about books,
movies, uh, everything.
533
00:29:08,204 --> 00:29:10,123
I think I fell in love
with his brain, actually,
534
00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:12,917
and the way he was,
his graciousness.
535
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:18,923
You felt the same way
536
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,594
And then he went
on tour with Rainbow.
537
00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:24,888
And then he asked me
to go on the road with him.
538
00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:27,849
I'd only known him for
a few weeks, and I said,
539
00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:29,476
"No, I can't quit my job.
540
00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,936
"I'll come
for a couple of days,"
541
00:29:31,978 --> 00:29:33,563
which ended up
being a couple of months,
542
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,523
which ended up being
for the rest of my life.
543
00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:48,286
We were both young when
we were experiencing the road.
544
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,913
And it was fun for a while,
545
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,041
and then it got
a little bit tense.
546
00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:55,210
Rainbow are enormous in Japan.
547
00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,712
Rainbow are bigger in Japan
than The Stones.
548
00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,715
Rainbow are huge
in Britain and Europe.
549
00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:04,302
Rainbow are not huge in America.
550
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:08,723
In America,
Rainbow never got there
551
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,809
with Ronnie as the singer,
552
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:14,229
and I know that that bothered
Blackmore tremendously.
553
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,648
And he was consumed
554
00:30:16,689 --> 00:30:19,776
with getting Rainbow
on U.S. radio.
555
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,487
Long Live Rock 'n' Roll
was the last Rainbow album.
556
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:24,405
They're working on
the next one, early stages.
557
00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,492
Ritchie decided
it was time to get a hit.
558
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,953
I was staying at
Bruce's house one day.
559
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:32,455
And he played me a song,
"Since You've Been Gone."
560
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,000
Since you've been gone,
since you've been gone
561
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,173
He said,
"Well, Ritchie wants to do it."
562
00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:44,300
I said, "Get outta here.
563
00:30:44,342 --> 00:30:47,011
"After...
after what he's done?"
564
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,471
You know, especially
with Rainbow Rising,
565
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,390
how could he want to do this?
566
00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:07,490
You know, Ronnie spent,
you know,
567
00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,535
the first 10, 15 years
of his career
568
00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:14,038
putting on a suit,
looking for the hit song.
569
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,331
You know, this is
something he'd left behind
570
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,041
many years ago
571
00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:21,212
and believed that the unique
selling point of Rainbow
572
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:25,008
had nothing to do with
"Since You Been Gone, Baby."
573
00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:26,509
And Ronnie spoke up.
574
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,511
He stayed true to himself,
575
00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:32,473
and I think it really
pissed off a few people.
576
00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:34,392
It got very tense,
577
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,645
and so Ronnie
was actually fired.
578
00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,941
Since you've been gone,
since you've been gone
579
00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:48,448
That was the time
580
00:31:48,489 --> 00:31:51,200
where Rainbow
did get airplay in America.
581
00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:54,621
It wasn't with Ronnie.
582
00:31:54,662 --> 00:31:58,541
For Ronnie on a personal level,
it was a disaster.
583
00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,127
He and Wendy were in a situation
584
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:03,379
where the house they lived in,
585
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:05,423
you know,
was owned by the band.
586
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:08,176
Uh, Ronnie didn't
even see any royalties.
587
00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:10,929
This is a guy who
co-wrote all the big songs.
588
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:13,473
Ronnie didn't get
any royalties from Rainbow
589
00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:15,934
until after he died.
590
00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,770
So they had no money.
591
00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:21,773
You know, Ronnie was
a very, very proud, man.
592
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:24,233
He didn't want to admit
that he'd been hurt by this.
593
00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:28,112
He didn't want to admit
that maybe he'd blown it.
594
00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:44,087
I was a young Sabbath fan.
I remember watching
595
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,297
Don Kirshner's Rock concerts,
seeing them do,
596
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:49,133
"Never Say Die" live
without lip syncing.
597
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,974
You could tell that Ozzy
was sounding a little rough
598
00:32:56,015 --> 00:33:00,269
and kind of just
doing that penguin clap,
599
00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:02,647
you know,
just running around, just,
600
00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:04,941
looks like a wind-up toy
after a while.
601
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:07,860
Black Sabbath is
pretty much yesterday's news
602
00:33:07,902 --> 00:33:09,946
in the late '70s.
603
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:12,115
The original Black Sabbath
604
00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:13,825
is some of the greatest metal
ever made.
605
00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,785
No one was disputing that.
606
00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,662
But at that point,
ten years into the business,
607
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:20,206
coming off of a couple
lackluster records,
608
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,501
beat up from the road,
it was a mess at that time.
609
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:28,172
Things weren't working out
at the end of the '70s for us.
610
00:33:28,214 --> 00:33:31,009
I think it was probably
a lot of different things.
611
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,177
Disarray.
Maybe "disillusionment"
612
00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:35,179
might be a better word.
613
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:37,473
We'd been in
Rock 'n' Roll for years, man.
614
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,101
All of them were very badly riddled
615
00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:41,936
with drug problems.
616
00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:44,772
Ozzy was considered, like,
a huge mess and can't sing,
617
00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:46,357
can't write, can't do this.
618
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,860
He was just a crazy dude
from Birmingham,
619
00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,778
like a juvenile delinquent.
620
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:52,363
He was never a professional,
621
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:53,781
and that's what
was great about him.
622
00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:56,242
And Ozzy's a sweetheart.
We all know that.
623
00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:59,495
But he... he was crazy in...
in the '70s.
624
00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:01,247
I mean,
one night at the Rainbow,
625
00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,000
he set himself on fire
at a booth in the Rainbow.
626
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,170
Fire extinguisher came out.
He could have died.
627
00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:08,963
He's laughing his ass off.
628
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,382
And... And Oz,
he came to such a place.
629
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,551
He needed to leave.
630
00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:18,222
Ozzy leaves,
and everybody was just like...
631
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:22,643
"Ok, so that's it,
they're done.
632
00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:25,021
"Black Sabbath is just done."
633
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:34,238
So, by the end of the '70s,
634
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,741
Ronnie and Wendy
take off for L.A.
635
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,911
Ronnie would not
go down the, you know,
636
00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:43,081
"Hey, baby,
let's have a hit," route.
637
00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,833
He's already in his 30s.
638
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:49,253
He's already been around
the block a zillion times.
639
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:51,422
He's got no career.
640
00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:53,925
I mean, you know, "What the fuck
am I gonna do?"
641
00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:59,347
But the Rainbow
seems to have been
642
00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:01,057
such a lucky place for him.
643
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,895
You know,
he meets Wendy in the Rainbow.
644
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:08,689
And now who does he
meet in the Rainbow one night?
645
00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:11,484
Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath.
646
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:16,948
Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath,
who has just sacked Ozzy.
647
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:26,624
At the Rainbow
Bar and Grill, I met Tony.
648
00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:28,793
Saw him and I went
to the rehearsal place.
649
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,254
I only went up there
just to say, "Hello."
650
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,131
He came over to the house
651
00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:37,802
and, um, I played him
a bit of the stuff,
652
00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:39,637
some of the riffs I got.
653
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,473
And, uh, he said, "Oh, let me
have a go at that."
654
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,559
Went off to the other room and wrote
655
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,561
the beginning
and a verse to a song called,
656
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:48,229
"Children the Sea."
657
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,995
He'd walk out and just sing.
658
00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:05,621
You know,
this voice would come out.
659
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,541
I mean, he was just,
you know, unbelievable.
660
00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:10,751
When he first
got offered the job
661
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,628
in Black Sabbath, he was like,
662
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,630
"I don't know if
I like this music or not."
663
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:16,299
And I said, "We have
$800 left in the bank.
664
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:17,842
You love this music."
665
00:36:22,096 --> 00:36:24,640
And so he...
666
00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:26,976
he joined the band,
and he did love the music.
667
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,437
This was going into a band that to me,
668
00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:31,314
had been the Heavy Metal band,
669
00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,859
a band that didn't
apologize for coming to town.
670
00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,903
It just stepped on buildings
when it came to town.
671
00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:39,739
And to be included in that band
was very special to me.
672
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:43,284
Takin' over for Ozzy in Sabbath?
673
00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:46,662
Can you imagine the pressure?
674
00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,706
To replace a singer is...
really a...
675
00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:50,708
It can go either way.
676
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:53,211
And then putting in Ronnie,
in a tough spot, really.
677
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,046
You know, again,
I'm a very positive person.
678
00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,547
I said to them,
679
00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,049
"They're never gonna say
anything bad about you.
680
00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:58,966
They're only gonna
say something bad
681
00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,843
about the new guy who came in.
682
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,553
And my shoulders
are big enough to take it.
683
00:37:02,595 --> 00:37:03,930
You know what we'll do? We're
gonna write some great songs.
684
00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:05,806
Don't worry about it.
I'll take care of it."
685
00:37:05,848 --> 00:37:08,142
At this point, I'm working
for the biggest, uh,
686
00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:11,896
Rock and Heavy Metal
P.R. company in the U.K.
687
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:15,983
Suddenly, it comes 'round,
"Sabbath have sacked Ozzy,
688
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,152
but they're gonna bring
Ronnie James Dio in."
689
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,820
And there was
a lot of blowback.
690
00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:21,948
"Where's Ozzy?
This guy can't be Ozzy."
691
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:24,116
From the outside looking in,
692
00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:25,785
it doesn't sound promising.
693
00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:27,995
It does not sound promising.
694
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:33,084
They had to rise above
and create an album
695
00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,128
that was far above anything
696
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:38,089
that they had
done in the past.
697
00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:46,222
You could think it's good,
you could think it's bad
698
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,432
but you don't know
until the audience, the fans,
699
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:51,560
they're going to tell you
if it's good or not.
700
00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:54,939
As a fan, you're
established to the singer,
701
00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:56,440
the drummer, the guitar player,
whoever...
702
00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,276
that's the band.
703
00:37:58,317 --> 00:38:00,111
And if there's something
that's different,
704
00:38:00,152 --> 00:38:02,280
what's going on, you know?
705
00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:04,949
Is it even gonna work?
Is it even gonna connect?
706
00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:07,410
Now, of course, there's
always gonna be a lot of, like,
707
00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:10,288
die-hard Sabbath followers
who are like,
708
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:15,209
"No, there's only one singer
of Black Sabbath."
709
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:19,380
And then, all of a sudden,
here comes Ronnie James Dio.
710
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:27,471
I think it's a creation that
happened many realms ago
711
00:38:27,513 --> 00:38:30,433
that Ronnie would be
the singer in Sabbath.
712
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,269
It's all been written in stone.
713
00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:36,522
He was supposed to be there.
714
00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:38,607
He was supposed to replace Ozzy.
715
00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:41,068
He was supposed
to take that microphone.
716
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,904
He was supposed to write
"Heaven and Hell."
717
00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:58,794
When it actually starts to
blast out through the speakers
718
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,923
and it's like, "Well, let's see
what you got, dude." You know?
719
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:18,522
Do me a wrong,
you're a bringer of evil
720
00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,027
And then when everybody
had saw what Ronnie had got...
721
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:25,321
it's like, "Ok."
722
00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:35,289
There was just like,
this is what I have
723
00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:39,168
always wanted to hear were
those Black Sabbath riffs,
724
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,420
with Ronnie's voice.
725
00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:58,646
Everything about it was great.
726
00:39:58,687 --> 00:40:00,940
I mean, "Heaven and Hell"
is probably to this day
727
00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:02,858
my favorite Sabbath record.
728
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,903
It's a masterpiece in...
in a lot of... in a lot of ways.
729
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,656
And it's a very,
very important record.
730
00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,201
One of the best albums ever.
Period.
731
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,336
Ronnie was a big dreamer,
732
00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,172
but he wasn't afraid
to tell you,
733
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:28,092
if you're gonna fall,
you can't be frightened.
734
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,219
You've got to get up
and do it again.
735
00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:31,887
I made the statement that was,
736
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,931
that I've
always wanted to make,
737
00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,766
which was, "The world
is full of kings and queens
738
00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,309
who blind your eyes
and steal your dreams.
739
00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,603
And that all
means they're your dreams.
740
00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:41,105
If you have those dreams,
741
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:42,398
don't let
anyone rob you of those,
742
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,941
those wonderful ideas."
743
00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:45,609
That statement
has been something
744
00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:47,820
that I've tried to
live with in my life.
745
00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:03,002
This is Ronnie's
very iconic white blouse.
746
00:41:03,043 --> 00:41:04,962
He wore this when he was...
747
00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,631
the first round
of Black Sabbath in the '80s.
748
00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:09,633
He loved this shirt. He loved...
749
00:41:09,675 --> 00:41:12,136
always loved these sleeves,
these medieval sleeves.
750
00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,973
Going into Sabbath with the sleeves
751
00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,642
and the drama,
752
00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:23,898
he was able to captivate people
with an amazing presence.
753
00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:25,566
Well, yeah,
it did become more mystical.
754
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,401
And we built up
the stage show,
755
00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:29,153
basically around the image of...
756
00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:33,824
uh, he had got this
theatrical way about him.
757
00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,076
I was always a little bit
intimidated by Ronnie
758
00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:37,828
because of not only his voice,
759
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,955
but everything else
around him.
760
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:42,333
He projected something,
you know.
761
00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:44,668
"Oh, my God, there's Dio?"
762
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,046
But on those occasions
that we did get a chance
763
00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,840
to sit and talk,
he was just a very comforting,
764
00:41:49,882 --> 00:41:53,677
welcoming kind of a guy
in every aspect.
765
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,138
Every time I was with him,
we'd laugh.
766
00:41:56,180 --> 00:42:00,559
We would laugh our asses off.
767
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:03,437
Clownish behavior,
boyish, you know?
768
00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:11,278
And that...
that behavior was very rampant.
769
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,697
He was just Ronnie.
He was just mellow.
770
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:17,201
But when he sang,
he became a character.
771
00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,203
'Cause Dio,
not Ronnie and Ronnie James,
772
00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:22,706
Dio was a huge character.
773
00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:35,052
Ozzy Osbourne, obviously,
was there before me,
774
00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,888
was throwing the peace sign
around everywhere.
775
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,974
I felt something else
was, you know,
776
00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:41,517
was needed to incorporate me
777
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,727
into my own thing
with that band.
778
00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:45,980
You know,
I worked with Dio in Sabbath
779
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:47,398
as his publicist.
780
00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,275
And I'll never forget this.
781
00:42:49,316 --> 00:42:51,277
Ronnie said,
"I thought about this thing,
782
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:54,738
and I think it could be
a bridge between Ozzy and me."
783
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:57,241
And he said,
"What do you think of this?"
784
00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,577
I said, "What's that?"
785
00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:03,455
He goes,
"I'm thinking, it's like Ozzy,
786
00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:05,457
spirit of Ozzy is still here.
787
00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:09,086
This is still Black Sabbath,
but it's me now."
788
00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,381
I went, "That's brilliant."
789
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:14,592
It was iconic as
soon as you saw it.
790
00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,219
Even if you didn't know
what it meant, it was iconic.
791
00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:19,430
What's he doing?
792
00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:22,057
It became a trademark
for him, you know, to do that.
793
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,602
And... And the fans,
you know, attached to that.
794
00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,770
Now, in a situation which is
not even involving metal,
795
00:43:26,812 --> 00:43:30,566
you see crowds,
and they're like, "Ah."
796
00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,901
I mean, even today,
you go on Facebook,
797
00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:35,946
and there's all these kind
of middle-aged women going,
798
00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,240
When you see somebody do that,
799
00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:40,117
you know where it
came from, you know,
800
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,785
who originated that.
801
00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:43,871
People think this
means something
802
00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,081
other than what it really is.
803
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:49,126
If you'd all join us,
I'll tell you what it means.
804
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,919
Ronnie who'd always,
805
00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:52,630
he'd grown up in
the Italian family, of course,
806
00:43:52,671 --> 00:43:54,423
would walk around
with his grandmother.
807
00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,467
And his grandmother
was very superstitious
808
00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,636
and she would walk around
going like this,
809
00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:01,472
to ward off evil
or give the evil eye
810
00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:04,224
or ward the evil eye off,
which is called the Malocchio.
811
00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,477
So, this, what we now
call the devil horns,
812
00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:09,146
that is Ronnie James Dio,
and it was out something
813
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:12,566
his fierce-looking grandmother
used to do.
814
00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:16,070
It means, "Long live
Rock 'n' Roll." Put 'em up!
815
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:22,159
And suddenly,
by the end of every show,
816
00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:24,620
the whole audience
was doing it back.
817
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,455
And again, it was
another one of those moments,
818
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,916
I thought, "This is
interesting shit here.
819
00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,168
You know,
this is really interesting.
820
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:35,673
He's gonna work this
until it is just his band."
821
00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:39,343
And that's exactly what he did.
822
00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:43,514
So come with me,
I'll give you the desire
823
00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:47,601
But first,
you're gonna burn in fire
824
00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:51,021
The rest,
as they say, is history.
825
00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:52,189
I mean, I'm not the only person
who's ever used it, of course,
826
00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:53,691
but you know, I must say
827
00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:55,526
that I've been
the one who's used it most
828
00:44:55,567 --> 00:44:57,486
and probably
the most known for it now.
829
00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,155
It's only meant as
a, you know, connection
830
00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:01,990
between the...
the music that we play,
831
00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:04,326
which is hard and heavy
and pretty damn evil.
832
00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:08,789
So, uh, that's what
that's all about, anyway.
833
00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:12,626
The whole thing
was difficult for me.
834
00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:15,295
And Ronnie knew that
I was, um,
835
00:45:15,337 --> 00:45:18,674
feeling uncomfortable
with certain things.
836
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,135
I really missed Oz.
837
00:45:21,176 --> 00:45:23,053
I felt like
I'd lost a best friend.
838
00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:25,806
And so I was grieving there,
839
00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:28,559
and my drinking
had accelerated.
840
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,354
And that plays
a huge part in my departure
841
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,022
from Black Sabbath.
842
00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:36,483
But Ronnie was
supportive towards me
843
00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,903
as a... as a person throughout.
844
00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,657
So, that's how
I first met Ronnie,
845
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,409
and we hit it off right away.
846
00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:47,661
He's from upstate New York...
Cortland.
847
00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:49,246
And I'm from Brooklyn, New York.
848
00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,749
And, uh, Tony and Geezer...
849
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,917
I couldn't
understand them very well.
850
00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:55,919
I was pretty young,
851
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:57,421
and they were kind of
scary-looking
852
00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:02,259
with the mustaches and,
you know, "These are the guys."
853
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,927
And they talk to me and I go,
854
00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:06,096
"Ronnie, what did they say?"
855
00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:08,307
I'd keep asking Ronnie,
856
00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:12,519
"What'd he say?
What does that mean? "Blimey"?"
857
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,358
So Sabbath follows
Heaven and Hell
858
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,402
with Mob Rules.
859
00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:22,821
Mob Rules
is an unbelievable record.
860
00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:25,908
"Sign of the Southern Cross."
Look at my arms.
861
00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:29,578
Just saying the name
of the song does this to me.
862
00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:41,757
Alright!
863
00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,400
We finished Mob Rules,
864
00:47:00,442 --> 00:47:03,570
the tour was fantastic,
so everything's going great.
865
00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:07,574
Then,
I don't know what happened,
866
00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:10,869
but it's business between
those guys, three of 'em.
867
00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,622
A lot of times
success breeds problems,
868
00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:15,749
and that happened.
869
00:47:15,791 --> 00:47:17,209
I felt that that really did happen,
870
00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:18,961
that, uh, all of the bad things
871
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:24,758
that... that could be used
were used, you know,
872
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,388
from drug abuse
to, um, mental abuse.
873
00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:31,640
I'm not sure what happened.
874
00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:35,394
It was, uh...
I mean, we were all, uh, doing
875
00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:38,689
quite a bit
of nose powder at the time.
876
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:41,984
This is the era of cocaine.
Everybody in the music business
877
00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:45,904
is doing too much cocaine,
but not at all, Ronnie Dio.
878
00:47:45,946 --> 00:47:51,201
That was... It was never...
never his thing, and they clashed.
879
00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:04,089
You know, sorry.
880
00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:26,528
It... It got difficult for
him behind the scenes.
881
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:29,531
Egos getting involved.
882
00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:32,034
We recorded the Live Evil album,
883
00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,704
and the mixing of that record
became a problem.
884
00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,414
When we're
doing the Live album,
885
00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:41,668
he did get sort of...
upset about things.
886
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:43,545
Ronnie could be
fierce, very fierce.
887
00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:47,341
He cared about
every single detail.
888
00:48:47,382 --> 00:48:49,217
I've heard a lot
of rumors, you know,
889
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:50,385
that I'm a control freak
and you know,
890
00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:53,096
that, of course, led to, uh,
891
00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:54,932
"I think we should
let Tony mix this album."
892
00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,725
In other words,
893
00:48:56,767 --> 00:48:58,602
"Your services are
not required anymore."
894
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,354
Dio joined the band,
895
00:49:00,395 --> 00:49:02,606
and he turned it into
something incredible.
896
00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:04,650
But don't forget,
Tony's still thinking,
897
00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:07,736
"Yeah, but I built this band
for ten years
898
00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,114
before you came along
and I offered you the gig."
899
00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,951
Another gram of coke, and it
gets even worse than that.
900
00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:17,996
Two more grams and, "I don't
even know who the fuck you are.
901
00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,040
Why don't you fuck off
and back where you came from?"
902
00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:23,168
It just got to the point
903
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:26,171
where Ronnie
wasn't happy anymore.
904
00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:28,256
It was his choice to leave 'em
and he left.
905
00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:34,221
Lonely is the word
906
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,765
He had
been through Rainbow,
907
00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,644
and even when he found
the sweet smell of success,
908
00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,896
it turned sour so quick.
909
00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:45,649
And then he does it again
with Sabbath,
910
00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:48,694
and it turned sour so quick.
911
00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:04,835
You know, it was a very
traumatic time for me.
912
00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:06,628
You don't go from being,
you know,
913
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:08,171
one of the biggest
bands in the world
914
00:50:08,213 --> 00:50:11,091
to not having a job anymore,
and what do you do?
915
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,676
To me,
it's always what comes next
916
00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:14,136
and what your ideas are,
917
00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,263
how many chances
you want to take.
918
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,682
I had no one, you know?
So I thought,
919
00:50:18,724 --> 00:50:20,642
"Well, better get
off your ass and go out
920
00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:22,477
and start writing songs
on your own."
921
00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:27,315
I had a garage in the back,
and off the side of the garage
922
00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:30,318
was this tiny little shed
kind of thing.
923
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,696
And so I went in there
and went to Radio Shack
924
00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,365
and put all these little
boxes and plugged things
925
00:50:35,407 --> 00:50:37,409
into my little
reel-to-reel tape recorder,
926
00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079
and that sounded so terrible
but you know, I loved it.
927
00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:43,415
I woke up and I went out
in that horrible little place
928
00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:45,709
that I set up as
a little living room.
929
00:50:45,751 --> 00:50:47,878
I can do this.
930
00:50:47,919 --> 00:50:50,881
And so for me,
it was like a real genesis.
931
00:51:03,727 --> 00:51:06,563
heavy Rock music
932
00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:08,732
I was a wife then.
I wasn't a manager.
933
00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:11,318
And then he said, "Ok,
so now you're managing me."
934
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,488
Oh, this is
like, wait a minute. Um...
935
00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:16,865
I manage your affairs,
936
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:19,576
but I don't know
about managing a band,
937
00:51:19,618 --> 00:51:22,829
but I figured if
he's got confidence in me,
938
00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:24,706
then I'll do the best I can.
939
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,583
In fact, I think it
was Ritchie who said,
940
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,835
"You know, she just
wants to make him a star."
941
00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:32,756
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, that was my goal.
942
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,551
One night, Ronnie goes,
943
00:51:36,593 --> 00:51:38,428
"Look, I'm gonna
put my own band together.
944
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:41,389
"You want to join me?"
I went, "Wow. Yeah."
945
00:51:43,308 --> 00:51:44,768
When we put it together,
it was just me and him.
946
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,813
He's playing bass.
We played "Holy Diver."
947
00:51:50,148 --> 00:51:52,734
Ronnie had written
a bunch of material,
948
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,947
and they begin the search
for the hotshot guitar player
949
00:51:56,988 --> 00:51:58,573
which everybody had
to have at that time.
950
00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,618
So we went to London.
951
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,662
Vinny and I went,
going around to clubs.
952
00:52:03,703 --> 00:52:05,914
Here's a band playing.
Let's go see them.
953
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:08,500
We went to all
these different clubs.
954
00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:09,960
And I knew
the kind of player I wanted.
955
00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:11,461
I didn't like
the style of playing
956
00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,088
that American guitar players
were using at the time.
957
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,006
They all wanted to be
as fast as Eddie Van Halen.
958
00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,675
I mean, after having played
with Tony and with Ritchie,
959
00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:17,968
I wanted someone
who could be fast,
960
00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:20,137
but had to have romance
in his soul.
961
00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,763
I said, "You know what?
962
00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:23,640
"I'm gonna give
Jimmy a call, Jimmy Bain."
963
00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,225
Because of course, Jimmy had
played with me in Rainbow.
964
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,143
And I thought,
who better to know
965
00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:27,811
guitar players than Jimmy?"
966
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:30,313
So the call was only to ask him
if he knew guitar players.
967
00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,066
Jimmy just assumed that he was
gonna be the bass player.
968
00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,609
So, he was.
969
00:52:34,651 --> 00:52:38,572
Jimmy called
this guitar player's house
970
00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:41,324
at two in the morning,
a young shredder from Ireland,
971
00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,993
this guy, Vivian Campbell.
972
00:52:43,034 --> 00:52:44,828
And the thing
that sold Ronnie,
973
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:47,164
we were jammin', and then
Viv was all out of things
974
00:52:47,205 --> 00:52:49,833
to play so he played,
like, a Chuck Berry thing.
975
00:52:52,043 --> 00:52:54,504
Just in this little section.
That was it.
976
00:52:54,546 --> 00:52:57,549
The missing ingredient
was Vivian Campbell,
977
00:52:57,591 --> 00:52:59,384
the guitar hero.
978
00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:01,678
So, now we've become
a family in a band, Dio.
979
00:53:09,895 --> 00:53:15,817
These are tapes
that I found that are, uh...
980
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:17,611
from the beginning.
981
00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:20,614
You know,
I haven't heard this stuff.
982
00:53:20,655 --> 00:53:22,407
"Jam."
983
00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:26,119
Let's see what's on here.
984
00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:29,206
1, 2,
1, 2, 3...
985
00:53:33,335 --> 00:53:36,004
Jam!
986
00:53:36,046 --> 00:53:37,380
So, we needed
a place to rehearse,
987
00:53:37,422 --> 00:53:39,883
so Ronnie got this place
called "Sound City."
988
00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:42,719
It was like every night
at seven o'clock
989
00:53:42,761 --> 00:53:44,721
going to the boys club.
They let us do anything there.
990
00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:46,556
They had candy machines.
991
00:53:46,598 --> 00:53:48,391
We'd go in...
"You want some candy?"
992
00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:51,228
"Yeah." Boom-boom-boom
till all the candy fell out.
993
00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,313
You know, pinball games.
994
00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:55,899
We got to make little ramps
so you never lost a ball.
995
00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:58,568
Have some drinks
and smoked some pot.
996
00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:01,738
And we were playing.
Life was fantastic.
997
00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:08,954
Straight through the heart
998
00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:12,249
So, he's singing that
in the room.
999
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:15,085
You go, "Holy shit."
1000
00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:17,796
What was the feeling
like with the band back then?
1001
00:54:17,837 --> 00:54:19,506
Oh, it was great.
1002
00:54:19,547 --> 00:54:21,049
It was such a wonderful
family atmosphere,
1003
00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:22,676
just a magical situation
1004
00:54:22,717 --> 00:54:24,010
where everybody
loved being in that room,
1005
00:54:24,052 --> 00:54:26,930
playing, and we experimented.
1006
00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:32,686
So this one's a version
of "Rainbow in the Dark."
1007
00:54:32,727 --> 00:54:34,688
There's no
keyboard part in it.
1008
00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:36,731
Ronnie's still
testing the waters
1009
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,609
with where
the vocals should go.
1010
00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:42,862
When there's lightning
1011
00:54:42,904 --> 00:54:45,699
It always
breaks me down
1012
00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:47,117
We had
"Rainbow in the Dark."
1013
00:54:47,158 --> 00:54:48,868
We're playing it back.
1014
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:51,621
And Jimmy's got
a cigarette in his mouth
1015
00:54:51,663 --> 00:54:53,873
with a big ash ready to fall
1016
00:54:53,915 --> 00:54:55,959
and a Jim Beam and Coke.
1017
00:54:56,001 --> 00:54:57,460
And he goes over to
this little shitty keyboard
1018
00:54:57,502 --> 00:54:59,087
of Ronnie's and he goes,
1019
00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:05,760
And he wrote that part
without the ash fallin'.
1020
00:55:05,802 --> 00:55:07,304
What? That's killer, dude.
1021
00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:14,394
Um, "Rainbow in the Dark."
1022
00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:16,730
uh, it's a song that
I really disliked.
1023
00:55:16,771 --> 00:55:18,773
And when it was finished,
1024
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:20,942
I announced to
everyone that I was going
1025
00:55:20,984 --> 00:55:23,653
to take a razor blade
and just cut the tape up.
1026
00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:25,155
And so
I went for the razor blade.
1027
00:55:25,196 --> 00:55:27,324
And they all went,
"No, no. Don't, don't."
1028
00:55:27,365 --> 00:55:29,075
And I didn't do that,
1029
00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:30,910
and I thanked them
over and over and over.
1030
00:55:30,952 --> 00:55:33,788
And so, you know, kudos
to them forever and ever.
1031
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:36,916
We were just
having time of our life,
1032
00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:39,169
and the roadies used to go,
1033
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:43,173
"This is going platinum, dude."
Nah, never.
1034
00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,928
At that time,
you had vinyl records
1035
00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:52,140
so on the first um,
"Holy Diver,"
1036
00:55:52,182 --> 00:55:54,017
we both wanted
to push the edges,
1037
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,353
and the record company
were not that happy about it,
1038
00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:58,438
but we've got this idea.
1039
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,398
We know what we want.
1040
00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:05,987
In the '80s, I was working,
uh, with Ronnie and Wendy
1041
00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:07,697
on pictures
and just in general,
1042
00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:10,950
doing stuff that they
wanted me to do and everything.
1043
00:56:10,992 --> 00:56:14,454
I get a phone call from
this guy named Gene Hunter.
1044
00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:17,290
He says, "Wendy gave me
your phone number.
1045
00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:20,627
And do you know
of a good cove to go to?"
1046
00:56:20,668 --> 00:56:22,253
I said, "Cove?"
1047
00:56:25,423 --> 00:56:29,177
We ended up down at a place
called Paradise Cove.
1048
00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:32,263
So we get down there,
1049
00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:34,808
and he's got this wet suit
'cause it's really cold.
1050
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:39,062
And on the top
is a priest outfit,
1051
00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:42,315
and he's got the shitload
of chains, a lot of chains.
1052
00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:46,403
I'm going, "What's he doin'?"
1053
00:56:46,444 --> 00:56:49,572
So, he found a spot,
1054
00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:51,991
and he's trying
to drag these chains
1055
00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:54,077
into this middle
of this little cove.
1056
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,913
It looked like he was
standing on a slippery rock
1057
00:56:56,955 --> 00:56:59,999
or something, but he
kept bobbing up and down.
1058
00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:02,252
I'm not taking pictures.
1059
00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:03,962
I'm just... He said,
"Take the fucking picture.
1060
00:57:04,003 --> 00:57:05,964
Take pictures!"
1061
00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,632
And he's bobbing
and going up and down.
1062
00:57:07,674 --> 00:57:11,678
So, I'm taking,
and snap, snap, snap.
1063
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,263
"Are you alright?
Are you coming back up?
1064
00:57:13,304 --> 00:57:14,806
Oh, crap. Are you..."
1065
00:57:14,848 --> 00:57:17,392
"Take the pic..."
So he's... Glug-glug.
1066
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,186
I don't know if I took
more than a roll and a half
1067
00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:22,897
before it's like,
this is not good.
1068
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:24,691
This is now bad
1069
00:57:24,732 --> 00:57:27,277
because it's like
he's trying to breathe.
1070
00:57:27,318 --> 00:57:28,945
And he's trying
to throw me the chain
1071
00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,739
to bring him in,
but he can't lift it.
1072
00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:35,452
So I'm slipping.
He's drowning or falling
1073
00:57:35,493 --> 00:57:37,328
and going under again,
and it's like...
1074
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:41,416
So, somehow I yank him.
He pulls, and he gets up.
1075
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,751
He... He's like, half-drowned.
1076
00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:51,968
I got the pictures developed,
and I turned them over to him,
1077
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:55,472
and he said,
"I'm working on the cover
1078
00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:58,266
for this 'Holy Diver' record."
1079
00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,396
So after the record
came out, I'm like,
1080
00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:05,982
"That's what we were doing."
1081
00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:09,152
That was him. He was
literally fighting the waves.
1082
00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:13,072
And I was like,
"This is so beyond awesome."
1083
00:58:15,283 --> 00:58:17,285
So Ronnie now, he's been the singer
1084
00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:21,748
of two of the biggest
Heavy Metal bands in history.
1085
00:58:21,789 --> 00:58:25,418
Now, they say three times
a charm, but not in music.
1086
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:26,794
You know?
This doesn't happen, man.
1087
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:29,506
But this was Dio.
1088
00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:32,300
He's determined that either
he goes down in flames
1089
00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:36,095
or he finds glory.
1090
00:58:42,185 --> 00:58:44,354
Ronnie and Wendy
have got enough money
1091
00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:46,564
to make this album,
put together a tour,
1092
00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:48,566
pay for it themselves.
1093
00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,361
They bet the farm on it.
They really did.
1094
00:58:51,402 --> 00:58:54,405
Huge risk. Uh, we didn't know
what was going to happen.
1095
00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,698
We actually mortgaged our house
1096
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:57,659
to take the first tour out.
1097
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:02,330
He had to start the whole
circuit of playing anywhere.
1098
00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:06,042
The first show was Antioch, California.
It was a barn.
1099
00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:08,169
He played Bronco Bowl in Dallas,
1100
00:59:08,211 --> 00:59:09,837
which is a bowling alley.
1101
00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:11,589
So we'd like to do a song for you
1102
00:59:11,631 --> 00:59:14,801
called "Rainbow in the Dark."
Let's go!
1103
00:59:14,842 --> 00:59:17,220
It was just crazy.
You could feel it, the excitement.
1104
00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:22,517
The radio stations here was
playing the shit out of that
1105
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,895
first record, and you just
heard it every 10 minutes.
1106
00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:36,406
We did Santa Monica Civic, sold out in,
1107
00:59:36,447 --> 00:59:39,200
I think, in an hour,
and then they did an in-store
1108
00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,035
after that where they
smashed through the window,
1109
00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:43,663
there was so many fans.
1110
00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:46,374
I think, because of the
introduction of a new band
1111
00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:48,585
just under Ronnie's name
1112
00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:51,671
with a new, young
hotshot guitar player...
1113
00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:58,636
Dio, the band,
it was an introduction for him
1114
00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:01,764
to a whole new world,
a whole new start for him,
1115
01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:04,392
this rising scene,
at the time, of Heavy Metal.
1116
01:00:19,115 --> 01:00:21,284
This is where we'd always sit,
1117
01:00:21,326 --> 01:00:23,286
and there's pictures
of Ronnie and Rainbow there.
1118
01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:25,038
Oh, how young we were.
1119
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,457
So young. Babyface.
They're all babyfaces.
1120
01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,051
Oh.
1121
01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,016
There were some
of these songs that I think
1122
01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,644
reflect my own trauma
at the time as well.
1123
01:00:47,685 --> 01:00:49,479
I mean, you know,
I had some personal things
1124
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,690
that were going on that
bothered me quite a bit.
1125
01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:54,817
Yeah, in the beginning,
1126
01:00:54,859 --> 01:00:57,945
it was, like, a normal relationship.
1127
01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:00,156
Everything was hunky dory,
you know.
1128
01:01:00,198 --> 01:01:03,534
And then, things changed
between Wendy and Ronnie,
1129
01:01:03,576 --> 01:01:05,745
you know?
1130
01:01:05,787 --> 01:01:07,163
You know, obviously it's
very hard being married
1131
01:01:07,205 --> 01:01:08,956
to a musician for a start,
1132
01:01:08,998 --> 01:01:11,626
and managing him,
as well, was very hard.
1133
01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:14,003
Ronnie was a wonderful, sweet, loving,
1134
01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:16,839
giving person,
but he was a perfectionist.
1135
01:01:16,881 --> 01:01:19,967
He had dreams,
and he was gonna fulfill them.
1136
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:21,511
And if you were not to his standard,
1137
01:01:21,552 --> 01:01:23,680
you were going to get it.
1138
01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:28,017
He would give it to his crew,
his band, to me.
1139
01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:31,854
So, we had a lot of fights,
a lot of, um...
1140
01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:33,856
I'll leave for a while,
come back for a while,
1141
01:01:33,898 --> 01:01:37,944
back and forth and back and
forth during our relationship.
1142
01:01:37,985 --> 01:01:40,321
You know, their relationship
was unique. Let's face it.
1143
01:01:40,363 --> 01:01:42,156
It wasn't traditional by any means.
1144
01:01:42,198 --> 01:01:44,450
It wasn't just an
artist-manager relationship,
1145
01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:46,661
and it wasn't just a husband
and wife relationship.
1146
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,330
It was a lot of very complex things.
1147
01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,582
Any relationship has ups and downs,
1148
01:01:51,624 --> 01:01:53,751
and we had many ups and downs,
1149
01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:55,920
but we were always a team.
1150
01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,588
I had his back, he had my back,
1151
01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,383
so we were gonna
fight to the end together.
1152
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,057
In the early '80s,
1153
01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:10,393
Los Angeles was just the
most exciting place on Earth.
1154
01:02:13,271 --> 01:02:16,399
The early '80s were badass.
They were badass.
1155
01:02:16,441 --> 01:02:19,652
It was magic.
All of a sudden, the Strip came alive.
1156
01:02:19,694 --> 01:02:21,195
Rock bands everywhere,
and there were parties
1157
01:02:21,237 --> 01:02:23,573
every night,
but everybody was into music.
1158
01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:26,576
Everybody was also kind
of into recreational things
1159
01:02:26,617 --> 01:02:28,411
that perhaps weren't
as healthy for you.
1160
01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:30,413
Most of all, there was just
all this great Rock music
1161
01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:32,373
and all these great bands.
1162
01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:34,333
And my distinct memory
is Ronnie kind of being
1163
01:02:34,375 --> 01:02:36,252
in the center of all that.
1164
01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:38,755
You know, he fit in in a different way.
1165
01:02:38,796 --> 01:02:40,715
Ronnie wasn't a guy that was like,
1166
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,592
"Hey, let's go out and chase chicks,"
you know?
1167
01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,596
Always the conversation seemed
to go to the same thing... music.
1168
01:02:46,637 --> 01:02:49,265
I think he acted more
like a role model.
1169
01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,726
There was this whole
undercurrent of metal bands
1170
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,061
around L.A. that looked up to him,
1171
01:02:54,103 --> 01:02:55,772
and he was aware of that,
1172
01:02:55,813 --> 01:02:57,482
and he was very
nurturing to everybody.
1173
01:02:57,523 --> 01:02:58,941
"Are you doing your best?
1174
01:02:58,983 --> 01:03:00,234
Are you doing the greatest thing
1175
01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,779
you could possibly be doing?"
1176
01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:05,948
Globally, metal was thriving,
1177
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:09,368
was getting on the radio,
it was selling.
1178
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:12,580
And it's getting introduced
to a lot of people
1179
01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:15,541
on what was a new thing
at the time called MTV.
1180
01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:19,086
The advantages of the
MTV video explosion,
1181
01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:20,671
you can't understate it, really,
1182
01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:22,381
'cause it... it had a lot of value.
1183
01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:25,343
When I was in Quiet Riot,
"Cum On Feel the Noise"
1184
01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,804
was on every half-hour.
It's timing.
1185
01:03:27,845 --> 01:03:30,473
Ronnie had just put
together the Dio band,
1186
01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,310
and all of a sudden he's
getting the MTV exposure.
1187
01:03:34,352 --> 01:03:35,895
"Rainbow in the Dark"
became the one that
1188
01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,313
MTV played all the time.
1189
01:03:37,355 --> 01:03:38,773
Ronnie loved that one
1190
01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:40,983
because it made him look really tall.
1191
01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,611
Him in the white boots on
the roof walking around,
1192
01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:45,446
I was like,
"I want white boots like that."
1193
01:03:45,488 --> 01:03:47,490
Record companies
would dump all this money
1194
01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:50,409
into the music videos.
1195
01:03:50,451 --> 01:03:53,996
I mean, now if you had to
look back, you could probably
1196
01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:55,581
do something way
better with your cellphone.
1197
01:03:55,623 --> 01:04:00,169
It's true.
1198
01:04:00,211 --> 01:04:03,798
So, he was at the forefront of that,
but he... he looked mean.
1199
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,216
You know, he looked tough.
1200
01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,927
He was one of the very few artists
1201
01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:10,888
that actually had
that metal image going.
1202
01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:13,224
You know, look at Dokken,
"Breaking the Chains,"
1203
01:04:13,266 --> 01:04:16,060
They got me chained down
in a kimono and I'm like,
1204
01:04:16,102 --> 01:04:19,230
"Oh boy."
And then you cut to Dio...
1205
01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:22,358
That was a totally different vibe.
1206
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,443
Ronnie was pretty much all
about just going out there
1207
01:04:24,485 --> 01:04:28,197
and being as Metal
as you could ever be.
1208
01:04:37,707 --> 01:04:40,459
I got this mysterious phone
call from these producers
1209
01:04:40,501 --> 01:04:42,712
that wanted me to come
over to Warner Bros.
1210
01:04:42,753 --> 01:04:45,715
They told me that they
had had great success
1211
01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:48,551
with "Holy Diver," and they
wanted to do something epic
1212
01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:51,721
to launch "The Last in Line."
1213
01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:56,350
So, Jeff, the Warner Bros.
executive, popped a cassette in,
1214
01:04:56,392 --> 01:04:57,810
and I'm going,
"Oh, this is kind of cool,"
1215
01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,733
And there's this moment
in that song where...
1216
01:05:03,774 --> 01:05:06,611
We are coming
1217
01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:10,489
And then Ronnie
uncorks his amazing voice,
1218
01:05:10,531 --> 01:05:12,199
and I'm not going to
try to even imitate it.
1219
01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:21,584
You know, a chill goes down
my spine, and I thought,
1220
01:05:21,626 --> 01:05:24,295
"Ok, I... there could
be a video in this song."
1221
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:27,131
Jeff pitched me an idea.
1222
01:05:27,173 --> 01:05:31,093
He wanted to have a video
about teenagers in hell.
1223
01:05:31,135 --> 01:05:37,066
So, uh, the studio wants to do
a video about teenagers in hell,
1224
01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:41,604
and Ronnie had a much
more philosophical take on it.
1225
01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:45,441
And he basically told me,
"Well, from birth to death,
1226
01:05:45,483 --> 01:05:48,110
we're all in a line.
1227
01:05:48,152 --> 01:05:51,739
And imagine if you're the last in line."
1228
01:05:53,157 --> 01:05:54,617
And then he says, "And of course,
1229
01:05:54,659 --> 01:05:56,202
you've got to put Murray in it."
1230
01:05:56,243 --> 01:05:58,287
Murray? who's Murray?"
1231
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,706
Well, Murray,
1232
01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:05,419
you think his name would
be Damien or fucking Lucifer.
1233
01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:10,091
Ronnie one day, said "Murray."
So, he became Murray.
1234
01:06:21,227 --> 01:06:23,646
And so, I basically came up
1235
01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:26,774
with this slightly wonky idea
which is about a, you know,
1236
01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:28,067
a normal teenage kid.
1237
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:30,027
He's, you know, going around.
1238
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:32,113
He's got his delivery,
and he goes into the elevator,
1239
01:06:32,154 --> 01:06:34,615
and he pushes the button.
1240
01:06:34,657 --> 01:06:37,493
And I kind of took
The Wizard of Oz motif
1241
01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,956
of, you know, being swept
up in a tornado and inverted it.
1242
01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:44,083
I got the teenagers in hell,
and I got the line
1243
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:47,003
and, um, Murray in the distance.
1244
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,514
All the elements of
Ronnie's career seem
1245
01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:00,975
to come together with Dio,
1246
01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:04,770
the culmination of his
extraordinary presence
1247
01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:08,190
and extraordinary ability to write songs.
1248
01:07:08,232 --> 01:07:11,360
They weren't top 40 songs,
but the key factor
1249
01:07:11,402 --> 01:07:13,696
is that he knew how to connect.
1250
01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:17,575
That was the key,
that very direct connection
1251
01:07:17,616 --> 01:07:20,536
with his audience, which fans felt.
1252
01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:26,792
Is that good?
Is that in focus?
1253
01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:27,918
You got that shit?
1254
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,503
I got it.
1255
01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:36,469
Where I really came
online as a-a metal head,
1256
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,972
you know, '80s,
that period was real, like...
1257
01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:42,308
Devil-heavy.
1258
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:45,978
Faceless creatures in robes,
from my study,
1259
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:48,564
symbolize Druids, which, of course,
1260
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:51,859
you go back to, uh, Satan worship.
1261
01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:56,363
It was Satan.
There was something extra seductive
1262
01:07:56,405 --> 01:08:00,242
and... and powerful about that.
1263
01:08:00,284 --> 01:08:03,329
Looking back on it now,
there is some humor.
1264
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:06,707
Alright now, now you're
going to play this backwards?
1265
01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:09,627
Right. And then you'll
hear there's power in Satan.
1266
01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:14,215
There is power in Satan
1267
01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:16,717
Did y'all hear that?
I heard it!
1268
01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:19,470
My mom was a little concerned
1269
01:08:19,512 --> 01:08:22,681
with my consumption of Devil music.
1270
01:08:25,726 --> 01:08:29,188
And she gave me this
tape that was a preacher
1271
01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:31,440
who was talking about evil music.
1272
01:08:31,482 --> 01:08:34,360
Daily, young people are bombarded
1273
01:08:34,401 --> 01:08:38,948
by distorted visual images
and twisted music messages.
1274
01:08:38,989 --> 01:08:41,617
It was supposed to, like,
turn me away from the evil ways
1275
01:08:41,659 --> 01:08:43,494
but I was like, "Oh."
1276
01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:46,747
It was just sort of this rad
tape that turned me on
1277
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,791
to new music that I
hadn't listened to before.
1278
01:08:48,833 --> 01:08:51,210
It had the opposite effect of
what it was supposed to do.
1279
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,632
Dio had some Devil.
1280
01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:59,552
Dio's Devil was a
little more theatrical,
1281
01:08:59,593 --> 01:09:01,637
like a Shakespearean Devil.
1282
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,558
It's the thing that makes
all great stories interesting
1283
01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:07,351
is like, how good is your villain?
1284
01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,562
What's Star Wars without Darth Vader?
1285
01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:12,898
How good is the Bible
without the Devil?
1286
01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:14,775
Dude, no spice.
1287
01:09:14,817 --> 01:09:17,361
There was blowback
of people thinking,
1288
01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:20,364
"Oh, he's just some
sort of demonic guy."
1289
01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:21,907
I'm sure the evangelical church,
for instance,
1290
01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:23,450
in the States, isn't too
happy about what you do.
1291
01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,161
Not too pleased, no.
1292
01:09:25,202 --> 01:09:26,954
Well, they think that, uh, I'm the Devil
1293
01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:29,665
or this particular sign means
1294
01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:32,209
I'm putting a curse on you.
1295
01:09:32,251 --> 01:09:34,086
And what does that sign mean,
with two fingers?
1296
01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:37,131
Oh, I just cursed you,
and you're gonna die in hell.
1297
01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:40,968
Well, there's a myth that
the Dio logo says devil
1298
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,220
when turned upside down.
1299
01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:46,056
That's not true at all.
Not at all.
1300
01:09:47,391 --> 01:09:48,976
Christians ruin everything.
1301
01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,187
I'm a... I'm an ordained minister,
you know.
1302
01:09:51,228 --> 01:09:53,355
I believe in God and
Jesus and all that stuff.
1303
01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:55,107
They just ruin everything.
They're idiots.
1304
01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,903
You want it to be dark.
You want it to be scary.
1305
01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:02,531
You want it to be powerful.
You want it to be intense.
1306
01:10:02,573 --> 01:10:06,035
For Ronnie, it was a tool.
He knew how to communicate.
1307
01:10:06,076 --> 01:10:07,119
I don't believe in
either heaven and hell
1308
01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:09,622
as a place to go to.
1309
01:10:09,663 --> 01:10:12,124
At the end of the day, if we all
just believe in the same thing,
1310
01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:14,210
you know, that we've got a
choice between good and evil.
1311
01:10:14,251 --> 01:10:15,711
Ok, make your choice.
That's all it's about to me.
1312
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:30,392
The whole good and evil thing,
1313
01:10:30,434 --> 01:10:33,812
it came from a very
deep place within him
1314
01:10:33,854 --> 01:10:36,690
where he wanted to empower people.
1315
01:10:36,732 --> 01:10:40,236
He authentically believed
that the weaker guy
1316
01:10:40,277 --> 01:10:42,905
needs to stand up for himself.
1317
01:10:42,947 --> 01:10:45,074
You can accomplish
anything without people
1318
01:10:45,115 --> 01:10:48,244
influencing you to do stuff
that you don't want to do.
1319
01:10:48,285 --> 01:10:50,955
As a kid,
I just remember how strong
1320
01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:52,790
and resonant and powerful it was.
1321
01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:09,640
I've always felt to be
somewhat of a spokesman
1322
01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:11,642
for people who may be lonely,
1323
01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:15,396
maybe have been looked down upon.
1324
01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:17,773
His heart was for the downtrodden
1325
01:11:17,815 --> 01:11:19,608
and the black sheep of the globe.
1326
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:22,194
He was our voice because
that's how he saw himself.
1327
01:11:22,236 --> 01:11:27,616
Climb the rainbow
1328
01:11:27,658 --> 01:11:29,535
You're a star
1329
01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:35,082
We are forever you and I
1330
01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:40,379
We're stars
1331
01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:44,300
At the time, uh, they were
doing, uh, "We are the World."
1332
01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:53,517
Ronnie had wanted to be part of that,
1333
01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:57,021
but we were nasty,
Heavy Metal, dirty people.
1334
01:11:57,062 --> 01:11:59,523
We are fire and stone
1335
01:11:59,565 --> 01:12:03,319
And we all want to touch a rainbow
1336
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,613
You know, often, metal is marginalized
1337
01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:08,741
and thought of as
lowbrow or whatever.
1338
01:12:08,782 --> 01:12:11,118
So, many times those
artists are not invited
1339
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,246
to the charity events
and the charity recordings.
1340
01:12:14,288 --> 01:12:18,459
So, Ronnie decided to
do his own Heavy Metal,
1341
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,503
"We are the World,"
and it was awesome.
1342
01:12:28,385 --> 01:12:31,180
This project came about
because of a radio-thon
1343
01:12:31,221 --> 01:12:34,933
that the station KLOS held for 2 days.
1344
01:12:34,975 --> 01:12:36,810
Our bass player, Jimmy Bain,
1345
01:12:36,852 --> 01:12:38,270
and guitar player, Vivian Campbell,
1346
01:12:38,312 --> 01:12:39,980
noticed the lack of people
1347
01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:43,650
representing our genre
of music, our kind of stuff.
1348
01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,652
Ronnie just wanted to
show that we wanted...
1349
01:12:45,694 --> 01:12:47,529
We want to help, too,
1350
01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:49,782
but do something
that's a little bit different.
1351
01:12:49,823 --> 01:12:53,702
Every single musician
that made it in the '80s,
1352
01:12:53,744 --> 01:12:56,080
you know, we grew
up listening to Ronnie.
1353
01:12:56,121 --> 01:12:59,208
So, any time Ronnie would say,
"Listen, I need you guys,"
1354
01:12:59,249 --> 01:13:01,877
and we'll say, "Yes, we're there,"
1355
01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:03,879
because we wanted to be like him.
1356
01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:06,548
He was a hero to all of us.
1357
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:09,843
You can think about
anybody who was anybody
1358
01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:12,596
on top at that time, and they were there.
1359
01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:14,056
Do you know a lot of the people
1360
01:13:14,098 --> 01:13:15,766
involved with it?
1361
01:13:15,808 --> 01:13:17,518
Well, I'm meeting
them out there, aren't I?
1362
01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:20,729
I met the Yngwie Malmsteen
person, you know. He's great.
1363
01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,481
I like the way he puts
"Yngwie J. Malmsteen"
1364
01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:24,149
on his album,
1365
01:13:24,191 --> 01:13:25,567
so you know, you don't
confuse him with all the other
1366
01:13:25,609 --> 01:13:27,528
Yngwie Malmsteens in the business.
1367
01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,363
You've got all of these people.
1368
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,073
We all know about each other
1369
01:13:31,115 --> 01:13:33,659
and what we're famous
for doing or not doing.
1370
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:37,913
Ronnie was the captain
of the ship, and he steered us
1371
01:13:37,955 --> 01:13:42,042
through what could have
been an absolute catastrophe.
1372
01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:45,712
But singers and songs
will never change it alone
1373
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,428
You can do better than that.
Yeah.
1374
01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:55,889
Everybody's giving a thousand
percent. You know, you can't...
1375
01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:57,891
"It's just a couple of notes."
1376
01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,393
You can't do that because
there's Ronnie Dio,
1377
01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,270
and he's the boss.
1378
01:14:01,311 --> 01:14:05,090
'Cause we are fire
1379
01:14:05,232 --> 01:14:10,779
'Cause we are fire
1380
01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:14,700
And I have to say, I admit it, you know.
1381
01:14:14,741 --> 01:14:16,702
I was scared shitless.
1382
01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:19,746
I'm like,
"I'm playing with Ronnie James Dio."
1383
01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:24,501
Shit.
1384
01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:26,378
Does "Dokken" really
rhyme with "rockin'"?
1385
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,631
There's some debate in here,
1386
01:14:29,673 --> 01:14:31,383
but we'll sort that out later.
Ok, here we go.
1387
01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:33,343
I'm just nervous, man.
1388
01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:35,637
Fuckin' Ronnie James Dio
producin', I'll stand out here.
1389
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,222
Goddamn. Never in my
wildest dreams have I thought
1390
01:14:37,264 --> 01:14:41,059
this would ever happen to me.
Good man.
1391
01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:45,230
Great. Right. Nice job.
I'm proud of you.
1392
01:14:45,272 --> 01:14:47,232
Mark.
1393
01:14:47,274 --> 01:14:49,318
We should have...
Rhymes with "rockin'."
1394
01:14:56,533 --> 01:15:00,496
The Hear 'N Aid song
is about 8 minutes long,
1395
01:15:00,537 --> 01:15:02,581
in its full length version,
1396
01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,875
and I think about 6 and
a half of those minutes
1397
01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:07,085
are guitar soloing going back and forth,
1398
01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:11,173
'cause there's about 15
players taking different sections.
1399
01:15:11,215 --> 01:15:14,134
But I don't know.
I mean, I'm such a fan
1400
01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:15,844
that I love every note of it.
1401
01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:18,388
I'm totally down with it to this day.
1402
01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:19,973
And I love that it showed that just
1403
01:15:20,015 --> 01:15:22,601
'cause you're into metal,
it doesn't mean you're a moron.
1404
01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:23,977
You can still have social issues.
1405
01:15:24,019 --> 01:15:25,562
You can still care about things.
1406
01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:27,397
You can still care about people.
1407
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,399
After you stop listening
to this, to this record,
1408
01:15:29,441 --> 01:15:31,193
to what I say,
people will still be starving,
1409
01:15:31,235 --> 01:15:33,654
and only you can change it.
1410
01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:35,614
So, if this is the vehicle
to make you think,
1411
01:15:35,656 --> 01:15:38,158
to make you help another
human being, then so be it.
1412
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,035
We've done our part.
1413
01:15:40,077 --> 01:15:43,539
We actually made,
I don't know, it was like over
1414
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:47,709
a million dollars that we
got to send to, uh, to Africa.
1415
01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:55,884
It's easy to look back on that stuff
1416
01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,345
with a snicker now, but at that time,
1417
01:15:58,387 --> 01:16:00,305
that was the coolest thing in the world.
1418
01:16:00,347 --> 01:16:03,058
You know,
I can't name all the Rock stars
1419
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:05,102
who were in that video.
Rock 'n' roll was king.
1420
01:16:05,143 --> 01:16:08,897
MTV was king.
This was our prime.
1421
01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:20,659
Hello. I'm Ronnie James Dio.
1422
01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:22,911
We're about to embark
on our Sacred Heart tour.
1423
01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,788
It's a show that we feel
is the most spectacular
1424
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:26,790
that we've ever produced.
1425
01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:29,835
And when we get to your town,
we're hoping to transport you
1426
01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:31,295
back to the days of
knights and dragons,
1427
01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:33,338
damsels in distress, crystal balls,
1428
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,257
and lots and lots of magic.
1429
01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:36,758
We feel we've got a great show for you.
1430
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,469
I hope to see all of you really soon.
1431
01:16:39,511 --> 01:16:42,889
The original Dio
band made a 3rd record
1432
01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:46,310
called Sacred Heart,
and the music videos got bigger,
1433
01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:48,895
the stage show got bigger.
1434
01:16:48,937 --> 01:16:52,441
He knew how to dream,
make that dream materialize,
1435
01:16:52,482 --> 01:16:55,736
and it just kept growing
and growing and growing.
1436
01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:59,281
He wanted a bigger
stage set and bigger and more,
1437
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,408
and it cost a fortune,
but he wanted it.
1438
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:05,162
We had this huge 18-foot fire
breathing dragon with lasers.
1439
01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:07,247
He had this thing
about dragons, you know,
1440
01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:09,374
dragons and rainbows.
What a great thing.
1441
01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:12,085
You know, I've got leather studs
and whips and chains,
1442
01:17:12,127 --> 01:17:14,212
and Ronnie's got
dragons and rainbows.
1443
01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:16,590
I wish we could flip.
1444
01:17:16,632 --> 01:17:17,799
He would slay the dragon
1445
01:17:17,841 --> 01:17:19,426
with a laser sword at the end.
1446
01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:23,388
It was absolutely
like going to Disneyland.
1447
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:27,559
Greetings, my children.
1448
01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:31,188
Come with me now
and discover the magic
1449
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:35,067
that lies beyond
the sea of dreams.
1450
01:17:35,108 --> 01:17:38,654
At that point, Ronnie
had reinvented himself fully
1451
01:17:38,695 --> 01:17:42,282
as being the caretaker
of the name, "Dio."
1452
01:17:45,577 --> 01:17:48,121
1986, Sacred Heart tour.
1453
01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:50,582
I remember bumping
into him on that tour.
1454
01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:53,794
I'd never seen him
so full of joy.
1455
01:17:53,835 --> 01:17:57,756
I'd never seen him
so fulfilled.
1456
01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:00,759
He knew, I think, that he'd...
he'd done something remarkable
1457
01:18:00,801 --> 01:18:02,511
with his career at this point.
1458
01:18:02,552 --> 01:18:04,012
But it's taken Ronnie,
you know, what,
1459
01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,932
nearly 40 years to get there.
1460
01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:09,101
And Ronnie
defeating the dragon becomes
1461
01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:12,104
a kind of metaphor
for the man.
1462
01:18:12,145 --> 01:18:14,606
His whole life
had been a battle.
1463
01:18:14,648 --> 01:18:17,234
Everything Ronnie had,
he'd had to work for,
1464
01:18:17,275 --> 01:18:19,778
fight for, earn.
1465
01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:21,697
He's like Muhammad Ali,
1466
01:18:21,738 --> 01:18:26,118
the guy that became
world champion 3 times.
1467
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,330
And, um, every time
Ronnie slew that dragon,
1468
01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:35,293
that was Heavy Metal
is all about... authenticity.
1469
01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:38,004
Here he is, top of
the mountain,
1470
01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:41,758
and he'd done it
by not writing the hit single.
1471
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,845
He'd done it by not kowtowing.
1472
01:18:44,886 --> 01:18:48,223
He stuck to his guns,
come what may.
1473
01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:06,450
We've had about
five offices, I think,
1474
01:19:06,491 --> 01:19:08,285
and I've always
had "Holy Diver,"
1475
01:19:08,326 --> 01:19:10,954
uh, which is very,
very precious to me.
1476
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,831
The original artwork of "Holy Diver"...
1477
01:19:12,873 --> 01:19:15,417
I've always had
that hanging above my desk.
1478
01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:17,502
And of course,
gold records is just something
1479
01:19:17,544 --> 01:19:20,505
you always hang in your office
and things I'm proud of.
1480
01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,716
You know,
Ronnie didn't care, you know.
1481
01:19:22,758 --> 01:19:25,051
In our house, we never had one
gold record hanging, not one.
1482
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,472
He was a humble person.
He thought that was showing off,
1483
01:19:28,513 --> 01:19:31,808
so I showed off
for him in my office.
1484
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:35,729
This is his first gold record
that Ronnie ever got
1485
01:19:35,771 --> 01:19:38,899
in 1975 for "Love is All,"
which is a song he performed
1486
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:40,859
on The Butterfly Ball.
1487
01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:51,328
And then I found a scrapbook.
1488
01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:54,539
I think his mum might
have made it.
1489
01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:57,334
Wow, this is all Rainbow.
1490
01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:03,757
Black Sabbath here.
This is Black Sabbath now.
1491
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:07,511
A lot of, uh,
press releases here on...
1492
01:20:07,552 --> 01:20:10,388
Dio.
1493
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:12,641
Those were fun days,
real fun days.
1494
01:20:12,682 --> 01:20:16,311
Yes, yes. It was
a great time in our lives.
1495
01:20:16,353 --> 01:20:18,480
A great time in our lives.
1496
01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:22,150
Well, that's the end
of that book.
1497
01:20:22,192 --> 01:20:25,570
Now, the entertainment.
1498
01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,490
Tonight, we got for you,
1499
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,742
you know him, you love him.
He's a neighborhood boy,
1500
01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:34,246
Ronnie James Dio
and the Dioski brothers!
1501
01:20:34,287 --> 01:20:36,331
Yay!
1502
01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:39,459
At this point with
Ronnie's career, you know,
1503
01:20:39,501 --> 01:20:42,629
he'd been following his own path
since he was a kid
1504
01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:46,675
and reached a kind
of new pinnacle with Dio.
1505
01:20:46,716 --> 01:20:48,677
We had a lot of fun
on the first two records,
1506
01:20:48,718 --> 01:20:51,012
by the time we were
doing the Sacred Heart album,
1507
01:20:51,054 --> 01:20:52,848
it was a very dark record
for us to make.
1508
01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,850
It was really,
really difficult.
1509
01:20:54,891 --> 01:20:56,393
All those fun times
we had at Sound City,
1510
01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:58,311
it was a great atmosphere.
1511
01:20:58,353 --> 01:21:00,522
It wasn't such a business.
1512
01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,649
And then,
the business end of this
1513
01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:04,776
started getting
really frustrating.
1514
01:21:04,818 --> 01:21:08,029
and Viv was the one that would
point it out after a while.
1515
01:21:08,071 --> 01:21:10,448
The promise was made
to us that by the third album,
1516
01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:12,826
it would be more
of an equitable situation,
1517
01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,953
and I was...
I was a squeaky wheel.
1518
01:21:14,995 --> 01:21:17,163
I mean, the third album came,
and I was the one going...
1519
01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:20,625
"Uh, excuse me."
1520
01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:22,711
Vivian had just told me
that he wanted more money,
1521
01:21:22,752 --> 01:21:26,047
From Ronnie's perspective,
when I'd bring it up to him,
1522
01:21:26,089 --> 01:21:29,634
he looked at it
as a young kid who he found
1523
01:21:29,676 --> 01:21:32,345
and put on the map
that was being ungrateful
1524
01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890
and pulling the leverage play.
1525
01:21:34,931 --> 01:21:36,850
Well, you know, you should
get paid for what you do.
1526
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,393
And when Sacred Heart
came around, I said,
1527
01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:40,395
"What do you got, Viv?
We've had four months off."
1528
01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:43,231
"Oh, nothing." "Oh, really?"
"Nope, not a thing."
1529
01:21:43,273 --> 01:21:44,566
"Oh, I guess I didn't
pay you enough, then did I?"
1530
01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:46,735
Money is not what
music is all about.
1531
01:21:46,776 --> 01:21:49,571
Ronnie had years
and years and years of banging
1532
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:53,909
on the doors, and Elf
and Rainbow and everything else.
1533
01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:56,411
You can't just have
somebody come in the door
1534
01:21:56,453 --> 01:21:58,371
and go, "Oh, yeah, well,
I'm as important as you."
1535
01:21:58,413 --> 01:22:00,081
The band was called Dio...
1536
01:22:00,123 --> 01:22:02,584
for a reason.
1537
01:22:02,626 --> 01:22:06,046
He understands that
whether he likes it or not,
1538
01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:10,926
this time I'm the Blackmore,
I'm the Iommi.
1539
01:22:10,967 --> 01:22:12,844
He's the boss.
1540
01:22:12,886 --> 01:22:16,264
After a while,
Ronnie got tired of it and said,
1541
01:22:16,306 --> 01:22:17,933
"We're going to get rid of him
and get somebody else,"
1542
01:22:17,974 --> 01:22:20,644
and I'm like, "Are you crazy?"
1543
01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:25,774
Back in those days, losing
a band member was a huge deal,
1544
01:22:25,815 --> 01:22:28,944
especially a guy
that was a budding guitar hero
1545
01:22:28,985 --> 01:22:32,364
in Vivian Campbell.
1546
01:22:32,405 --> 01:22:35,909
Yes, it was magical.
It was great in the beginning,
1547
01:22:35,951 --> 01:22:38,620
but people
have to go sometimes.
1548
01:22:38,662 --> 01:22:41,623
You know,
Vivian Campbell had to go.
1549
01:22:41,665 --> 01:22:46,002
I mean. It was Ronnie's band.
1550
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,801
You sometimes
get very trapped
1551
01:22:52,842 --> 01:22:56,513
by your own existence,
uh, you must maintain.
1552
01:22:56,554 --> 01:22:59,849
When you get
to a certain success plateau,
1553
01:22:59,891 --> 01:23:02,686
the only thing you can do is
to either try to maintain it
1554
01:23:02,727 --> 01:23:04,312
or reach above that.
1555
01:23:04,354 --> 01:23:07,857
When I got the call to,
to join, you know,
1556
01:23:07,899 --> 01:23:09,693
headlining 20,000-seat arenas
every night,
1557
01:23:09,734 --> 01:23:12,529
it was like...
1558
01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:15,949
And so back then,
Heavy Metal was going strong.
1559
01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,868
And that was during
the time that bands came to L.A.
1560
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:21,121
to find their fame and fortune,
1561
01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:24,040
and they all got their hair
ran up to, you know,
1562
01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,626
ten feet and tons of makeup.
1563
01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,878
This is the reason I am
a Rock 'n' Roll drummer, see?
1564
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,630
Because girls like this
hang out with guys like me!
1565
01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:32,841
Can you believe it?
1566
01:23:32,882 --> 01:23:36,177
Motley Crue, Skid Row.
We looked like girls.
1567
01:23:38,555 --> 01:23:42,684
I mean, not just us, but you
know, all that look was huge.
1568
01:23:42,726 --> 01:23:46,354
And I'll always say it,
that the Rock scene of the '80s,
1569
01:23:46,396 --> 01:23:49,149
we were our own undoing.
1570
01:23:49,190 --> 01:23:52,527
It became more important
about their look,
1571
01:23:52,569 --> 01:23:56,281
and not the songs...
bands like Poison.
1572
01:23:57,907 --> 01:23:59,826
"Unskinny Bop" bop?
1573
01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,203
Ronnie couldn't
write "Unskinny Bop" bop
1574
01:24:02,245 --> 01:24:04,372
if they put a gun to his head.
1575
01:24:04,414 --> 01:24:09,669
Dio... he was never a part
of that hair metal thing.
1576
01:24:09,711 --> 01:24:11,880
He wasn't singing about
getting laid and doing drugs
1577
01:24:11,921 --> 01:24:13,631
and, you know, crap like that.
1578
01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:15,675
I mean,
the music was rubbish,
1579
01:24:15,717 --> 01:24:18,887
and they destroyed
what the rest of us created.
1580
01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,139
There's Sacred Heart
and what's the other one?
1581
01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:23,600
Dream Evil, I don't know.
1582
01:24:23,641 --> 01:24:25,310
Was there another one
after that? I don't know.
1583
01:24:25,351 --> 01:24:27,645
Sales, they started going
down, you know?
1584
01:24:27,687 --> 01:24:30,857
And MTV, that was built
upon Heavy Metal music,
1585
01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,068
suddenly went,
"Oh, no more of that."
1586
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,906
120 minutes.
1587
01:24:37,947 --> 01:24:40,033
Right here,
1588
01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:41,826
the 2nd of tonight's
2 world premiere videos.
1589
01:24:41,868 --> 01:24:43,912
It's from the Seattle band,
Nirvana.
1590
01:24:43,953 --> 01:24:46,039
Here is
the planet's first look at...
1591
01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:48,917
"Smells like Teen Spirit."
1592
01:24:51,377 --> 01:24:54,255
Basically, right after
Nirvana had their first play
1593
01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,258
of "Teen Spirit,"
it changed everything.
1594
01:25:01,304 --> 01:25:03,098
It needed it.
1595
01:25:03,139 --> 01:25:05,683
You know, the MTV toilet
needed to be flushed,
1596
01:25:05,725 --> 01:25:07,769
you know and clean up
1597
01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:10,146
and... and get something
else in there, you know?
1598
01:25:10,188 --> 01:25:12,398
You're talking to a guy
1599
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:15,110
who worked
in Rock radio for decades.
1600
01:25:15,151 --> 01:25:19,447
I literally saw the day
the program director comes in
1601
01:25:19,489 --> 01:25:24,244
and says, "All of these CDs...
in a box. No more.
1602
01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:27,288
Here's what
we're playing now."
1603
01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:29,749
There's a big misconception
that the birth of Nirvana
1604
01:25:29,791 --> 01:25:33,920
and all that
took down the "hair bands,"
1605
01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,880
and it certainly did.
1606
01:25:35,922 --> 01:25:38,883
But it didn't
discriminate to just that.
1607
01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:41,761
It took down everything.
Everybody got hit with that.
1608
01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:43,721
I don't care if
you were Black Sabbath,
1609
01:25:43,763 --> 01:25:46,808
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden,
whoever you were,
1610
01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:51,646
across the board, was one of
the most harsh, abrupt things
1611
01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:55,441
I've ever seen in my life.
All of this goes away,
1612
01:25:55,483 --> 01:25:58,111
and all of this
is suddenly uncool.
1613
01:25:58,153 --> 01:26:01,656
It was like that, cut and dry.
1614
01:26:01,698 --> 01:26:04,492
Dio in the box?
Dio was in the box.
1615
01:26:15,211 --> 01:26:19,048
somber acoustic instrumental
1616
01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:21,467
The '90s
were the darkest period
1617
01:26:21,509 --> 01:26:24,637
because he got
dropped from Warner Bros.
1618
01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:26,389
Losing a record deal
was devastating.
1619
01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:30,185
Absolute devastating.
1620
01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:33,438
The music industry
at that time, it was like...
1621
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,983
Pfft. "We don't care, we don't
care about you anymore."
1622
01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:38,818
For someone like Ronnie,
1623
01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:40,737
it did get
a little awkward in the '90s.
1624
01:26:40,778 --> 01:26:45,491
Nu Metal and Grunge
became what the public face
1625
01:26:45,533 --> 01:26:47,785
of Metal was depicted as.
1626
01:26:47,827 --> 01:26:49,579
Underground,
Death Metal, Grindcore,
1627
01:26:49,621 --> 01:26:52,040
Black Metal got more intense.
1628
01:26:52,081 --> 01:26:55,210
The point being that stuff
like Ronnie James Dio,
1629
01:26:55,251 --> 01:26:57,670
people just
kind of maybe said,
1630
01:26:57,712 --> 01:27:01,633
"We don't need any of that
stuff. That's dinosaur shit."
1631
01:27:01,674 --> 01:27:04,344
Bands like Dio
will find it very difficult.
1632
01:27:04,385 --> 01:27:06,304
It's only really
alternate Rock that seems
1633
01:27:06,346 --> 01:27:07,555
to be getting
most of the attention.
1634
01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:12,560
Where... Where is it going?
God knows. I mean, that's...
1635
01:27:12,602 --> 01:27:14,812
A lot of that has
to do with, you know,
1636
01:27:14,854 --> 01:27:17,106
with its acceptance, really.
1637
01:27:17,148 --> 01:27:19,025
It'll go as far as
people allow us to go.
1638
01:27:19,067 --> 01:27:21,986
The mid-'90s,
I remember he came over
1639
01:27:22,028 --> 01:27:25,406
to London to do interviews
to promote his latest album.
1640
01:27:25,448 --> 01:27:28,576
I had to beg, borrow, and steal
to try and get someone
1641
01:27:28,618 --> 01:27:31,496
to interview Ronnie James Dio.
1642
01:27:31,537 --> 01:27:34,874
I couldn't get anybody
interested in interviewing him.
1643
01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:37,252
That was, like,
a really down time for him.
1644
01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,420
He didn't feel loved anymore.
1645
01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:49,264
Well, because it's
a world that, uh, you know,
1646
01:27:49,305 --> 01:27:50,974
it's not a very happy place.
1647
01:27:51,015 --> 01:27:54,686
It's a world we live in that's,
uh, just really depressing.
1648
01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:56,646
And it couldn't allow me
to talk about dreams
1649
01:27:56,688 --> 01:27:57,939
and everything's
going to be wonderful
1650
01:27:57,981 --> 01:28:00,066
and the world will be happy.
1651
01:28:00,108 --> 01:28:02,068
Just, you know, work hard
and your dreams will come true.
1652
01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:03,736
Shit. I look at the
world around me now,
1653
01:28:03,778 --> 01:28:05,738
and I see that that's pretty
impossible to happen.
1654
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,490
So I couldn't
in my conscience,
1655
01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:09,784
write about dreams
and happiness.
1656
01:28:17,583 --> 01:28:20,712
I didn't really start going
to his house until the '90s.
1657
01:28:20,753 --> 01:28:22,964
I remember going
and taking photos of him,
1658
01:28:23,006 --> 01:28:25,341
and that's when
everything was changing.
1659
01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:27,135
He noticed it,
1660
01:28:27,176 --> 01:28:29,637
because he wasn't
selling out arenas anymore.
1661
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,764
I got here because
I believed in the music I made,
1662
01:28:31,806 --> 01:28:35,393
and somebody liked it.
So, hey, I got a nice house.
1663
01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:37,312
You know, as I told you
many times before,
1664
01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:38,771
I don't give a damn
about this house.
1665
01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:40,857
What do I care about this?
1666
01:28:40,898 --> 01:28:43,067
I could sleep on this table.
I could sleep on the floor.
1667
01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,528
It's not important.
It's all about playing.
1668
01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:47,447
It's all about
playing for people.
1669
01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:49,073
It's the only thing
that matters to me.
1670
01:28:49,115 --> 01:28:51,868
So, through the hard times,
love what you do.
1671
01:28:51,909 --> 01:28:54,162
He's one of those guys I don't
think would have ever retired
1672
01:28:54,203 --> 01:28:56,080
cause when you're an artist,
you're an artist.
1673
01:28:56,122 --> 01:28:58,207
That's what
you do forever, you know.
1674
01:28:58,249 --> 01:29:02,211
You just...you...till you die.
1675
01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:04,589
You've got such a long career.
1676
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:06,591
You haven't had any breaks.
1677
01:29:06,632 --> 01:29:08,176
No, I never...
I haven't taken vacations.
1678
01:29:08,217 --> 01:29:09,594
I don't. I wouldn't
know what to do with myself.
1679
01:29:09,635 --> 01:29:11,054
What am I gonna do,
lay on a beach?
1680
01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:12,680
Waste...
That's a waste of my life.
1681
01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:15,016
Eating, sleeping, and vacations
are a waste of my life.
1682
01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:17,143
You only got so many years,
you may as well get
1683
01:29:17,185 --> 01:29:18,436
all you can out of it.
Just grind it out,
1684
01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,688
bring it out, go for it
1685
01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:22,440
because I got
a lot more to do yet.
1686
01:29:22,482 --> 01:29:25,568
Start with this one.
Title track of Dio LP #2.
1687
01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:28,488
This is called
"The Last in Line."
1688
01:29:28,529 --> 01:29:31,199
It was very much a
different thing from the '80s.
1689
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,909
For you,
we especially do this one.
1690
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:34,369
It's called
"The Last in Line."
1691
01:29:36,329 --> 01:29:38,247
But, uh, he would go to
the ends of the Earth
1692
01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:40,124
to play in front of people.
1693
01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:42,710
And I'd be the one going,
"Oh, Christ, I don't know.
1694
01:29:42,752 --> 01:29:44,796
You should think
about this, you know?"
1695
01:29:44,837 --> 01:29:49,258
He didn't care if 80 people
showed up to a show or 80,000.
1696
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,386
He never
lost sight of the guy
1697
01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:54,806
from Cortland, New York,
who, music was his salvation.
1698
01:29:54,847 --> 01:29:56,015
He never lost sight of that.
1699
01:30:00,603 --> 01:30:03,314
Ronnie never, ever complained.
1700
01:30:03,356 --> 01:30:06,234
You know,
he never phoned it in.
1701
01:30:06,275 --> 01:30:08,903
That was... He couldn't do that.
It was impossible.
1702
01:30:08,945 --> 01:30:12,240
The enthusiasm and the
hunger and the conviction,
1703
01:30:12,281 --> 01:30:13,491
it was unbreakable.
1704
01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:25,711
Hard Rock was
out of favor. MTV was gone.
1705
01:30:25,753 --> 01:30:28,339
We got record deals
on smaller labels.
1706
01:30:28,381 --> 01:30:31,843
Ronnie just continued
to keep making records
1707
01:30:31,884 --> 01:30:34,720
and keep creating, putting
together some great bands.
1708
01:30:34,762 --> 01:30:36,055
There were some great lineups,
1709
01:30:36,097 --> 01:30:38,433
people that were
in and out of Dio.
1710
01:30:38,474 --> 01:30:41,102
They still did some
great work during that time,
1711
01:30:41,144 --> 01:30:43,604
whether it sold anything
or anybody acknowledged it.
1712
01:30:43,646 --> 01:30:46,107
Ronnie just kept going.
1713
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:49,444
Think about the miles
that are on that voice.
1714
01:30:49,485 --> 01:30:53,573
And I always felt maybe
he would have sort of started
1715
01:30:53,614 --> 01:30:55,825
to relax a little bit.
1716
01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:59,745
But we did four whole albums,
maybe five DVDs,
1717
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:01,664
and he would be
here every minute,
1718
01:31:01,706 --> 01:31:04,083
of every day
for every part of it.
1719
01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:05,543
Being in the studio with Ronnie,
1720
01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:08,254
it was un-fucking believable.
1721
01:31:08,296 --> 01:31:10,673
He was on a level
that some people never get to
1722
01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:14,260
in their prime when they're 21.
1723
01:31:14,302 --> 01:31:16,012
He would sing with the band
1724
01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:20,808
while they were cutting
all day long, every time.
1725
01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:23,478
I mean, I told him
a hundred times and said,
1726
01:31:23,519 --> 01:31:25,480
"We could just use the vocal
you just sang, you know,
1727
01:31:25,521 --> 01:31:27,315
every time they go through it.
1728
01:31:27,356 --> 01:31:29,400
You know, you don't
have to keep singing it."
1729
01:31:29,442 --> 01:31:32,320
He said, "No, no, no,
I'm singing with the band."
1730
01:31:32,361 --> 01:31:36,908
I said, "Ok."
He's such a remarkable person.
1731
01:31:36,949 --> 01:31:39,994
There's certain people out
there, people with conviction,
1732
01:31:40,036 --> 01:31:41,662
people who have it here.
1733
01:31:41,704 --> 01:31:44,165
"This is what I want to do,
and I'm doing it."
1734
01:31:44,207 --> 01:31:46,000
And that's all
that should fucking matter,
1735
01:31:46,042 --> 01:31:48,628
you know, forever.
1736
01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:50,171
I must say,
I'm not going to go away.
1737
01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:52,215
No matter what happens.
1738
01:31:52,256 --> 01:31:54,342
I'm gonna be here again
to haunt you next year, too.
1739
01:31:54,383 --> 01:31:56,511
Perhaps the year after that
and the year after that.
1740
01:31:56,552 --> 01:32:00,181
I love to do what I do
very much, and as long as people
1741
01:32:00,223 --> 01:32:03,392
will accept me for what I am,
I'll still be back
1742
01:32:03,434 --> 01:32:04,727
year after year after year
doing this, and hopefully
1743
01:32:04,769 --> 01:32:06,521
getting better at it if I can.
1744
01:32:06,562 --> 01:32:09,482
There was always that
hardcore faction of fans.
1745
01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,317
They'd always be there,
1746
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:13,528
and, uh, he felt
immensely grateful for that.
1747
01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:15,196
Dio's the best!
1748
01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:17,240
I told him to say that.
1749
01:32:19,033 --> 01:32:21,369
If there was 200
people or one person,
1750
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:24,205
he'd treat them as if
he was their long lost friend.
1751
01:32:24,247 --> 01:32:27,208
And sometimes we
used to argue about that
1752
01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:29,210
because he'd be, like,
1753
01:32:29,252 --> 01:32:31,712
talking to two fans
till about three in the morning.
1754
01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:33,673
And we'd be going, "Come on,
Ronnie. It's time to leave.
1755
01:32:33,714 --> 01:32:35,383
We gotta get on
the bus to the next gig."
1756
01:32:35,424 --> 01:32:37,218
He's going,
"Yeah, just a minute."
1757
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:40,179
He had this remarkable
way of, uh, remembering people
1758
01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:42,181
and what they were about.
You know, he'd see somebody,
1759
01:32:42,223 --> 01:32:44,225
you know, ten years later
and he'd go,
1760
01:32:44,267 --> 01:32:46,811
"Oh, hi, Mary,
how's your mother doing?"
1761
01:32:46,852 --> 01:32:48,354
"Hey, Larry, how you doing?
1762
01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,523
How's your cousin, Bill?"
1763
01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:52,024
And he would
rattle on all these names.
1764
01:32:52,066 --> 01:32:53,734
And I'm going, like...
1765
01:32:53,776 --> 01:32:56,487
He would say, "Hey, wait
a minute, your dad was sick
1766
01:32:56,529 --> 01:32:58,573
last time I saw you.
How's he doing?"
1767
01:32:58,614 --> 01:33:00,199
And you know,
the look on fans' faces
1768
01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,868
would be like,
"He remembered that?"
1769
01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:07,373
He fed off that energy,
that direct connection
1770
01:33:07,415 --> 01:33:09,208
with every single fan.
1771
01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:11,377
You know,
they've got the records.
1772
01:33:11,419 --> 01:33:13,546
They got the dreams.
1773
01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:16,799
That's living in the face
of career death, if you like.
1774
01:33:22,471 --> 01:33:23,264
Thank you!
1775
01:33:26,559 --> 01:33:29,770
Aah!
1776
01:33:33,065 --> 01:33:35,776
In the movie,
The Pick of Destiny.
1777
01:33:35,818 --> 01:33:39,280
It's, uh, the origin story
of my band, Tenacious D.
1778
01:33:39,322 --> 01:33:41,616
We took some
creative liberties,
1779
01:33:41,657 --> 01:33:43,451
but it starts off at
the beginning, you know,
1780
01:33:43,492 --> 01:33:45,119
when I'm a kid and, uh,
1781
01:33:45,161 --> 01:33:48,372
my parents disapprove
of my rocking.
1782
01:33:48,414 --> 01:33:51,792
You gotta praise the Lord
when you're in my home
1783
01:33:51,834 --> 01:33:55,421
And I pray to Ronnie James Dio
to please show me the way.
1784
01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:00,968
And then, he, like,
comes to life in the poster,
1785
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:03,638
and he delivers the advice.
1786
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,681
Escape your father's clutches
1787
01:34:05,723 --> 01:34:07,391
In this
oppressive neighborhood
1788
01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:09,101
On a journey you must go
1789
01:34:09,143 --> 01:34:13,314
To find
the land of Hollywood
1790
01:34:13,356 --> 01:34:15,733
A lot of people say it's the
best part of the whole movie,
1791
01:34:15,775 --> 01:34:20,071
which is awesome
and a little bit sad,
1792
01:34:20,112 --> 01:34:23,032
'cause me and Kyle
aren't even in it.
1793
01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:27,161
It's Dio, Meat Loaf, and a
little kid that looks like me.
1794
01:34:27,203 --> 01:34:29,246
We had to record all the songs
1795
01:34:29,288 --> 01:34:31,415
before we started
filming the movie.
1796
01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:32,917
Can you play it
for me from the end
1797
01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:36,003
of "Go my... Now, go my son
and rock" into the softer bit?
1798
01:34:36,045 --> 01:34:40,174
So, he came over to the studio,
and, um, he brought a microphone
1799
01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:43,844
still, like, attached
to a stand with a cord.
1800
01:34:43,886 --> 01:34:45,763
And he was like,
"I brought my mic,"
1801
01:34:45,805 --> 01:34:48,140
and we're like,
"Awesome, but you know,
1802
01:34:48,182 --> 01:34:51,185
we're at John King's Studio.
He's a Dust Brother.
1803
01:34:51,227 --> 01:34:53,854
We've got, like, the best
mics in the world here.
1804
01:34:53,896 --> 01:34:55,690
Let's try it on
the Sennheiser 5000, first."
1805
01:34:55,731 --> 01:34:57,441
He was like, "Sure,
whatever you want to do."
1806
01:34:57,483 --> 01:34:59,318
And this sounds
like I'm making this up
1807
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,946
but dude laid down
such a heavy vocal,
1808
01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:04,699
it, like, was distorting.
1809
01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:07,034
We're all just like, "Holy fuck,
turn down the levels."
1810
01:35:07,076 --> 01:35:09,328
"I did turn down the levels!"
1811
01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:13,749
And so, then he said, "Let's
take out the Sennheiser 5000,
1812
01:35:13,791 --> 01:35:17,336
bring in the Robotron 6000.
This is..."
1813
01:35:17,378 --> 01:35:19,338
And it's like, you know.
1814
01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:21,382
We went through, like,
three different, like,
1815
01:35:21,424 --> 01:35:24,719
state-of-the-art, cutting edge
bleeding edge microphones.
1816
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,222
And he was just,
like, too big a voice
1817
01:35:28,264 --> 01:35:29,890
for these fucking microphones.
1818
01:35:29,932 --> 01:35:30,933
And he's like,
"I kind of told you guys.
1819
01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:33,477
"That's why
I bring my own mic."
1820
01:35:33,519 --> 01:35:35,479
And so, they're like,
"Oh, yeah."
1821
01:35:35,521 --> 01:35:38,065
And they plugged in his mic,
and it was like, ding.
1822
01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:40,735
And it was like,
it just sounded like Dio.
1823
01:35:40,776 --> 01:35:43,571
Now, go, my son
1824
01:35:43,612 --> 01:35:48,576
And Rock
1825
01:35:52,955 --> 01:35:54,874
Oh, yeah.
1826
01:35:54,915 --> 01:35:56,917
Yeah, I just can't believe
this is really happening.
1827
01:35:56,959 --> 01:36:01,255
I just felt an obligation
to thank him for, you know,
1828
01:36:01,297 --> 01:36:05,801
gracing us with his gift
of, uh, of his singing
1829
01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:08,179
and... and music
ability and inspiration.
1830
01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:11,098
It was deeply moving to me.
1831
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:13,350
Holy Diver...
1832
01:36:13,392 --> 01:36:16,312
You've been down too long
in the midnight sea
1833
01:36:16,353 --> 01:36:19,690
Oh, what's becoming of me
1834
01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:21,692
Look out
1835
01:36:21,734 --> 01:36:23,444
Ride the tiger
1836
01:36:23,486 --> 01:36:26,363
You can see his stripes,
but you know he's clean
1837
01:36:26,405 --> 01:36:29,992
Oh,
don't you see what I mean
1838
01:36:30,034 --> 01:36:31,619
Whatever happens,
wherever you are,
1839
01:36:31,660 --> 01:36:34,914
as a musician,
you have to play through it.
1840
01:36:34,955 --> 01:36:36,415
Let the music push through
and play through
1841
01:36:36,457 --> 01:36:38,250
and still stay strong.
1842
01:36:40,836 --> 01:36:42,630
The music industry
and music, it's...
1843
01:36:42,671 --> 01:36:44,507
everything has a season.
1844
01:36:44,548 --> 01:36:46,926
People missed
that kind of music again.
1845
01:36:46,967 --> 01:36:50,137
I'll never forget it.
I was married to a woman.
1846
01:36:50,179 --> 01:36:52,598
She had two boys and they had
a ball because they were
1847
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,100
kicking my ass in Guitar Hero
with "Holy Diver."
1848
01:36:55,142 --> 01:36:57,645
I was getting my ass
kicked on Guitar Hero
1849
01:36:57,686 --> 01:37:00,231
by these two nine-year-olds
on a Dio song
1850
01:37:00,272 --> 01:37:02,983
and I was in Dio,
for fuck's sake, you know?
1851
01:37:07,446 --> 01:37:09,907
Suddenly, Rock and Heavy Metal,
1852
01:37:09,949 --> 01:37:13,536
people are starting to dig it.
It's not a passing fad.
1853
01:37:13,577 --> 01:37:15,204
It's something
much deeper than that.
1854
01:37:15,246 --> 01:37:17,456
And sure enough,
within a few years,
1855
01:37:17,498 --> 01:37:20,626
the whole classic Rock market
has matured.
1856
01:37:20,668 --> 01:37:23,420
And it's the ones
that really, really mean
1857
01:37:23,462 --> 01:37:27,007
something to people
that will always endure.
1858
01:37:27,049 --> 01:37:29,844
And we got a phone call
from the record label.
1859
01:37:29,885 --> 01:37:32,888
And they're going to re-release
the Dio years with Sabbath.
1860
01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:35,182
And I don't know,
out of the blue, Ronnie goes,
1861
01:37:35,224 --> 01:37:37,643
"Well, maybe we should just
write a couple of songs."
1862
01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:41,355
We worked on these songs
to go into the box set
1863
01:37:41,397 --> 01:37:44,817
and, uh, we really enjoyed it.
We really enjoyed doing it.
1864
01:37:44,859 --> 01:37:46,610
When we got together,
1865
01:37:46,652 --> 01:37:48,404
it was like old friends
meeting again.
1866
01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:50,906
I don't know.
just a certain vibe that you get
1867
01:37:50,948 --> 01:37:53,325
that just feels right.
1868
01:37:53,367 --> 01:37:56,787
And we said,
"Well, let's get together,
1869
01:37:56,829 --> 01:37:58,873
"Let's make another album
and go on tours
1870
01:37:58,914 --> 01:38:01,542
and get
the band back together."
1871
01:38:01,584 --> 01:38:03,377
And they decided
they were not going to call it
1872
01:38:03,419 --> 01:38:05,713
Black Sabbath, this time.
1873
01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:07,548
They were going
to call it Heaven and Hell.
1874
01:38:10,801 --> 01:38:13,554
Alright,
let's check this out, guys.
1875
01:38:13,596 --> 01:38:16,932
Oh, for God's sakes,
my eyes suck.
1876
01:38:16,974 --> 01:38:19,810
Can you tell me which...
1877
01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,687
God, I'm a little jittery
from coffee.
1878
01:38:37,703 --> 01:38:41,248
Here's one thing that is true.
1879
01:38:41,290 --> 01:38:46,295
I think that Ronnie James Dio's
best-ever song
1880
01:38:46,337 --> 01:38:50,841
was his very last song,
which was called "Bible Black"
1881
01:38:50,883 --> 01:38:53,510
off the Heaven and Hell
record.
1882
01:38:53,552 --> 01:38:56,013
How many artists can say that
1883
01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,724
their last single
was among the best?
1884
01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:01,894
To me, it's the best.
I love that song.
1885
01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:03,562
Thank God, I remembered
to say that on here
1886
01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:05,564
because it's totally true.
You can put it on.
1887
01:39:05,606 --> 01:39:07,691
Thank me later.
1888
01:39:14,031 --> 01:39:15,741
How heavy is that?!
1889
01:39:26,835 --> 01:39:29,004
The fact
that Ronnie got back together
1890
01:39:29,046 --> 01:39:32,216
with Tony
and Geezer and Vinnie,
1891
01:39:32,257 --> 01:39:36,261
I've never known him
quite so, uh, Zen.
1892
01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:39,264
This was exactly
the way it was supposed to be.
1893
01:39:39,306 --> 01:39:41,600
Just like the early days, just
like Heaven and Hell again.
1894
01:39:41,642 --> 01:39:44,979
And it was just so much fun.
It was just, wow.
1895
01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:48,691
Everybody was absolutely
kickin' ass, being friends.
1896
01:39:48,732 --> 01:39:51,652
Everybody was having
such an amazing time together.
1897
01:39:51,694 --> 01:39:53,278
You could tell.
1898
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,448
Even Iommi would
smile occasionally.
1899
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:59,284
It was really great
because we've gone through
1900
01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,245
a lot together over the years.
1901
01:40:01,286 --> 01:40:03,497
And you get to
appreciate things a lot...
1902
01:40:03,539 --> 01:40:06,125
Sometimes you can't see it
when you're involved in it.
1903
01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:08,919
But later on, you think, "Oh,
wow, that was great." You know?
1904
01:40:08,961 --> 01:40:13,340
We seemed to have grown
out of all our miserable days.
1905
01:40:13,382 --> 01:40:15,843
Life's too short now.
You realize as you get older,
1906
01:40:15,884 --> 01:40:20,305
you go, "Why carry
a grudge or be unhappy?"
1907
01:40:20,347 --> 01:40:22,516
You realize,
you know, you don't get
1908
01:40:22,558 --> 01:40:24,977
these kind
of friendships, really good,
1909
01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:27,855
strong friendships.
They're so hard to get.
1910
01:40:27,896 --> 01:40:29,857
So, this is
a wonderful, wonderful time
1911
01:40:29,898 --> 01:40:31,692
of all of our lives.
1912
01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,485
Heaven and Hell
has made great difference
1913
01:40:33,527 --> 01:40:36,363
in just my, my attitude
as a human being now.
1914
01:40:44,413 --> 01:40:47,082
Heaven and Hell
took off. It was killer.
1915
01:40:47,124 --> 01:40:50,586
Got a great reception.
The album did really well.
1916
01:40:50,627 --> 01:40:54,006
Heaven and Hell
embodied a time when the big,
1917
01:40:54,048 --> 01:40:59,386
major, important Heavy Metal
stars were authentic.
1918
01:40:59,428 --> 01:41:02,556
They didn't learn it from
the bands that came before.
1919
01:41:02,598 --> 01:41:06,101
They didn't learn it from MTV.
They invented it.
1920
01:41:06,143 --> 01:41:08,687
Heaven and Hell
is an important band
1921
01:41:08,729 --> 01:41:10,898
because they
came along at a time
1922
01:41:10,939 --> 01:41:12,900
when you need
a kick in the ass.
1923
01:41:12,941 --> 01:41:15,861
And there's this man
all these years later,
1924
01:41:15,903 --> 01:41:18,781
still loving what he does
to do as a legendary singer.
1925
01:41:18,822 --> 01:41:22,201
That's remarkable, considering
we go all the way back
1926
01:41:22,242 --> 01:41:24,912
to The Red Caps.
1927
01:41:24,953 --> 01:41:27,581
It was like all
the chickens were coming home
1928
01:41:27,623 --> 01:41:30,584
to roost, and Heaven and Hell
was as much
1929
01:41:30,626 --> 01:41:34,713
about the culmination
of his journey, his music,
1930
01:41:34,755 --> 01:41:37,925
his universe, the love
he gave out every night
1931
01:41:37,966 --> 01:41:39,593
he walked on stage.
1932
01:41:39,635 --> 01:41:41,428
It seemed to me
that Heaven and Hell
1933
01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:46,058
was the encompassment
of all that good stuff.
1934
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:48,602
It was awesome. I went to
a couple of different shows.
1935
01:41:48,644 --> 01:41:52,231
There he was
in a 20,000-seat arena again.
1936
01:41:52,272 --> 01:41:54,274
And it was like,
"Ah, you're back home, man."
1937
01:41:54,316 --> 01:41:57,319
Thank you!
1938
01:42:10,958 --> 01:42:12,960
It was absolutely fantastic.
1939
01:42:13,001 --> 01:42:15,129
Everybody was
enjoying what we were doing.
1940
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:17,256
And I remember sitting
with Ronnie and saying,
1941
01:42:17,297 --> 01:42:19,174
"You know, do you fancy
doing another album?"
1942
01:42:19,216 --> 01:42:22,803
He said,
"Yeah, I'll be up for that."
1943
01:42:22,845 --> 01:42:25,806
But of course, we never did.
1944
01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:30,394
This is Damian
with BlackSabbath.com here,
1945
01:42:30,435 --> 01:42:32,271
backstage
with Ronnie James Dio
1946
01:42:32,312 --> 01:42:33,981
after performing
the last show on the tour.
1947
01:42:34,022 --> 01:42:36,984
Ronnie, sum up
the tour for us. How was it?
1948
01:42:37,025 --> 01:42:41,321
Uh, it was, uh, tiring.
It was...
1949
01:42:41,363 --> 01:42:43,157
Every show was great,
as always.
1950
01:42:43,198 --> 01:42:44,825
This band is never not great.
1951
01:42:44,867 --> 01:42:46,827
Uh, it was...
It was very productive.
1952
01:42:46,869 --> 01:42:48,829
We've been on the road
for such a long, long time.
1953
01:42:48,871 --> 01:42:50,622
Uh, you know, the music
made all the difference,
1954
01:42:50,664 --> 01:42:52,166
the shows we did
made all the difference.
1955
01:42:52,207 --> 01:42:53,667
And that's all why we do it.
1956
01:42:53,709 --> 01:42:55,335
So, I guess I'll you know,
1957
01:42:55,377 --> 01:42:57,504
I'll give it a nine and a half
out of ten.
1958
01:42:57,546 --> 01:42:59,548
And is that half point because
of a little bit of sadness
1959
01:42:59,590 --> 01:43:01,508
that now the tour is ending?
1960
01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:02,885
Or is this actually
the beginning,
1961
01:43:02,926 --> 01:43:04,636
the start of something new?
1962
01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:06,346
You always say,
"Well, gee, maybe I...
1963
01:43:06,388 --> 01:43:10,142
I'm going home. Oh, what
am I gonna do when I get home?
1964
01:43:10,184 --> 01:43:11,810
Maybe we should have done more."
1965
01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:13,312
Of course,
there's always sadness for that,
1966
01:43:13,353 --> 01:43:15,522
but, uh, we will do...
we'll do more,
1967
01:43:15,564 --> 01:43:17,274
and we'll
probably do another album,
1968
01:43:17,316 --> 01:43:19,484
and I'm sure we'll
certainly do another tour.
1969
01:43:19,526 --> 01:43:22,863
And for me, I know nothing
else other than to... to play.
1970
01:43:26,491 --> 01:43:28,744
Yeah, it was on the last...
We didn't know
1971
01:43:28,785 --> 01:43:31,580
it was the last tour
at the time. Heaven and Hell.
1972
01:43:31,622 --> 01:43:34,541
And before he was
going on stage, he'd be, like,
1973
01:43:34,583 --> 01:43:39,046
doubled up some nights,
terrible pain in the stomach.
1974
01:43:39,087 --> 01:43:42,049
And we're going, "Come on,
Ronnie. Go and see a doctor."
1975
01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,051
And he's going, "No, it will
pass. It will pass."
1976
01:43:44,092 --> 01:43:45,802
And he'd go on, as if nothing
1977
01:43:45,844 --> 01:43:47,471
was going on
when he got on stage.
1978
01:43:47,512 --> 01:43:49,181
He was just the usual Ronnie.
1979
01:43:49,223 --> 01:43:51,141
He wouldn't let it
interfere with him.
1980
01:43:51,183 --> 01:43:53,810
And then, he'd come off
and he'd be doubled up in pain.
1981
01:43:53,852 --> 01:43:55,479
He'd had problems
for about a year
1982
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,899
of, um, indigestion.
1983
01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:02,319
So he did a blood test.
The doctor called me
1984
01:44:02,361 --> 01:44:04,154
and he said,
"It's not good news."
1985
01:44:06,907 --> 01:44:10,744
When we first found out
that he had cancer,
1986
01:44:10,786 --> 01:44:14,081
the two of us cried all night.
1987
01:44:14,122 --> 01:44:16,541
My life fell apart then.
1988
01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:20,170
I...Actually,
Ronnie was comforting me.
1989
01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:22,923
That night, when we both cried,
he was comforting me
1990
01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:26,260
'cause I was hysterically crying.
I couldn't...
1991
01:44:26,301 --> 01:44:30,347
I just couldn't think
of life without Ronnie.
1992
01:44:30,389 --> 01:44:32,766
You know, I mean,
I just couldn't think of life
1993
01:44:32,808 --> 01:44:34,685
without Ronnie at all.
1994
01:44:34,726 --> 01:44:37,729
And he was comforting me,
telling me,
1995
01:44:37,771 --> 01:44:40,274
"It's going to be ok,
it's going to be ok."
1996
01:44:42,567 --> 01:44:47,281
Every time I tried
to express concern and direct
1997
01:44:47,322 --> 01:44:49,116
the conversation towards
what he was dealing with
1998
01:44:49,157 --> 01:44:51,410
and let him know that I loved
him and I cared for him,
1999
01:44:51,451 --> 01:44:53,787
and I was there for him,
if I could do anything for him,
2000
01:44:53,829 --> 01:44:56,873
a lot of the conversation
was about him lifting me up
2001
01:44:56,915 --> 01:44:59,459
and making me feel good.
2002
01:44:59,501 --> 01:45:01,628
Where I was supposed
to be doing that to him,
2003
01:45:01,670 --> 01:45:04,965
as much as I tried,
that kept coming back to me.
2004
01:45:05,007 --> 01:45:07,551
Ronnie lost
the eyesight in one of his eyes.
2005
01:45:07,592 --> 01:45:10,429
Also, his hands
started shaking as well.
2006
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:12,014
Did he lose his voice?
2007
01:45:12,055 --> 01:45:15,267
No. No.
Never lost his voice. No.
2008
01:45:15,309 --> 01:45:18,437
Um, no.
That would have killed him.
2009
01:45:18,478 --> 01:45:22,107
A Heavy Metal music
icon is in Houston
2010
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:24,484
dealing with some
serious health issues.
2011
01:45:24,526 --> 01:45:26,486
The staff are
just so wonderful.
2012
01:45:26,528 --> 01:45:28,822
They just are the best people,
as you can see.
2013
01:45:28,864 --> 01:45:30,782
This is the Ronnie James Dio
2014
01:45:30,824 --> 01:45:32,659
few people have ever seen.
2015
01:45:32,701 --> 01:45:35,370
He's a bit soft-spoken.
He's relaxed.
2016
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:38,081
Dio has stomach cancer.
2017
01:45:38,123 --> 01:45:40,292
You know, I've been
poked and prodded in holes
2018
01:45:40,334 --> 01:45:42,127
I didn't know I had before,
and they probably
2019
01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:44,463
made a few new ones. I don't
even know where they are.
2020
01:45:44,504 --> 01:45:46,673
I'm lucky
that I am a very, you know,
2021
01:45:46,715 --> 01:45:48,842
hard person and strong
within my beliefs.
2022
01:45:48,884 --> 01:45:50,844
Dio calls this experience
2023
01:45:50,886 --> 01:45:52,637
"Something to roll with."
2024
01:45:52,679 --> 01:45:54,973
I refuse to be beaten
in any way, shape or form
2025
01:45:55,015 --> 01:45:56,516
so I'm going
to beat this, too.
2026
01:45:56,558 --> 01:45:58,018
I just want to get better.
2027
01:45:58,060 --> 01:46:00,270
I just want to be cured,
you know?
2028
01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,606
They were trying a lot
of experimental drugs on him.
2029
01:46:02,647 --> 01:46:05,359
So, eyesight
came completely back.
2030
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:06,943
His hands stopped shaking.
2031
01:46:06,985 --> 01:46:09,613
Wendy Dio is always with him.
2032
01:46:09,654 --> 01:46:11,740
The treatment
seems to be working.
2033
01:46:11,782 --> 01:46:16,286
She says the tumor in
his stomach is getting smaller.
2034
01:46:16,328 --> 01:46:18,246
We used to call it
"killing the dragon."
2035
01:46:18,288 --> 01:46:19,581
We used to skip
down the halls going,
2036
01:46:19,623 --> 01:46:20,916
"We're killing the dragon.
2037
01:46:20,957 --> 01:46:23,585
We're coming to kill
the dragon."
2038
01:46:23,627 --> 01:46:26,588
And the Golden God goes to...
2039
01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:31,468
Ah! Ronnie James Dio!
2040
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:34,805
About the Golden Gods,
I remember very much that
2041
01:46:34,846 --> 01:46:37,349
because that was
the night that we thought,
2042
01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,018
"This is it.
He's back on track."
2043
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,854
It's great to be
back amongst people again.
2044
01:46:42,896 --> 01:46:45,273
It's been a little while since
I've been able to do that,
2045
01:46:45,315 --> 01:46:47,317
but I feel pretty good.
2046
01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:50,070
Can't wait to get back
on the stage again. Thank you.
2047
01:46:50,112 --> 01:46:51,446
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
2048
01:46:51,488 --> 01:46:52,864
I love everybody.
Thanks a lot.
2049
01:46:58,078 --> 01:47:00,580
"Dio, Dio, Dio."
Yeah, they were chanting
2050
01:47:00,622 --> 01:47:05,252
because I think that they also
were being as positive as I was.
2051
01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:06,628
It's all going to be over.
2052
01:47:06,670 --> 01:47:08,004
It's all going
to be a bad dream.
2053
01:47:08,046 --> 01:47:09,881
Dio! Dio! Dio!
2054
01:47:19,015 --> 01:47:21,143
During Angry Machines,
2055
01:47:21,184 --> 01:47:23,186
the first record
I ever made with him,
2056
01:47:23,228 --> 01:47:25,730
the record was done,
2057
01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:29,151
and he came in and he said,
"I wanna do one more song."
2058
01:47:29,192 --> 01:47:31,945
And I thought,
"Oh, really? You mean, so..."
2059
01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:35,073
I thought he meant, you know,
bring the whole band in.
2060
01:47:35,115 --> 01:47:36,658
And he said, "Oh, no,
it's just gonna be
2061
01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:38,076
just me and some piano."
2062
01:47:38,118 --> 01:47:39,369
And I thought,
"Oh, ok, cool."
2063
01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:41,830
And just went out
and sang that song,
2064
01:47:41,872 --> 01:47:43,582
"This is Your Life."
2065
01:47:51,965 --> 01:47:55,927
There are people in
this world that are...
2066
01:47:55,969 --> 01:47:59,681
There are people that make
the world a better place.
2067
01:47:59,723 --> 01:48:05,479
Who cares
what came before
2068
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,817
We were only starlight
2069
01:48:12,569 --> 01:48:15,989
One day then nevermore
2070
01:48:16,031 --> 01:48:20,619
And he was one of them.
2071
01:48:20,660 --> 01:48:25,665
Because we're
whispers in the wind
2072
01:48:25,707 --> 01:48:28,543
He was in the hospital.
Everybody left.
2073
01:48:28,585 --> 01:48:31,838
I slept on the bed with him,
holding his hand.
2074
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,592
It was like 7:15 in the morning,
2075
01:48:35,634 --> 01:48:39,429
and he just, like,
shot up and looked at me.
2076
01:48:39,471 --> 01:48:41,223
And I was calling the nurse.
It's fine.
2077
01:48:41,264 --> 01:48:43,767
Like, what's happened?
And then he died.
2078
01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:46,728
It was like... it was like,
almost like he said goodbye.
2079
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:51,900
This is your life
This is your time
2080
01:48:51,942 --> 01:48:56,279
What if the flame
won't last forever?
2081
01:48:56,321 --> 01:49:00,534
Ronnie and I had
a mutual friend that called me,
2082
01:49:00,575 --> 01:49:02,994
and I heard him in tears,
2083
01:49:03,036 --> 01:49:05,997
and he just said to me,
"He's gone."
2084
01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:08,959
And, um...
2085
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,378
Sorry, 'cause it's still...
2086
01:49:15,924 --> 01:49:17,676
Ronnie was that special, man.
2087
01:49:17,717 --> 01:49:21,304
All these years later,
it can still hit ya.
2088
01:49:21,346 --> 01:49:26,017
He was the heart and
soul of so many things,
2089
01:49:26,059 --> 01:49:28,186
so much music.
2090
01:49:28,228 --> 01:49:31,273
You don't always see that
while it's happening
2091
01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:34,568
because you feel like
there's gonna be more.
2092
01:49:34,609 --> 01:49:38,655
When Ronnie died,
there wasn't more.
2093
01:49:38,697 --> 01:49:41,616
There's not more Ronnies
out there.
2094
01:49:45,954 --> 01:49:50,000
He was the real deal.
That's who he was... is.
2095
01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:51,793
To me it's all about "is."
2096
01:49:51,835 --> 01:49:53,420
Ronnie still is in my head,
2097
01:49:53,461 --> 01:49:57,340
in my ears,
you know, in my heart.
2098
01:49:57,382 --> 01:50:01,720
Most importantly,
the music is what lets us know
2099
01:50:01,761 --> 01:50:03,179
that Ronnie is alive
and living with us.
2100
01:50:03,221 --> 01:50:05,557
Ronnie's beautiful messages
in his songs,
2101
01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:07,309
you know,
they're lifting people.
2102
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:10,687
They're helping people get
through their own challenges.
2103
01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:11,938
These are the beautiful elements
of Ronnie
2104
01:50:11,980 --> 01:50:13,398
that will live forever.
2105
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,775
That's why he's everlasting.
2106
01:50:15,817 --> 01:50:18,278
And that's one of
the things he once said to me.
2107
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,574
He said, "The important thing
is it isn't just what you do
2108
01:50:22,616 --> 01:50:26,077
and what you learn,"
He said, "You gotta pass it on.
2109
01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:29,956
Then you've lived a life
worth living."
2110
01:50:29,998 --> 01:50:32,917
And now he passed his message
on to millions of us.
2111
01:50:32,959 --> 01:50:36,129
The message is, if you do
put your heart and soul
2112
01:50:36,171 --> 01:50:39,716
into something, no one
can take that away from you.
2113
01:50:39,758 --> 01:50:41,384
If you really
have something to say,
2114
01:50:41,426 --> 01:50:42,927
if you have
that love in your heart,
2115
01:50:42,969 --> 01:50:46,473
that really is
the most important thing.
2116
01:50:48,975 --> 01:50:51,269
There's a quote that I live by,
2117
01:50:51,311 --> 01:50:53,521
that Ronnie definitely nailed,
2118
01:50:53,563 --> 01:50:55,649
is from Horace Mann,
the educator.
2119
01:50:55,690 --> 01:50:57,484
He said, "Be ashamed to die
2120
01:50:57,525 --> 01:51:01,780
until you've won some
victory for mankind."
2121
01:51:01,821 --> 01:51:04,199
Ronnie ought not be ashamed.
2122
01:51:17,212 --> 01:51:19,714
I still talk to him, but it's
not like talking to him.
2123
01:51:19,756 --> 01:51:24,761
You know? I miss him.
2124
01:51:24,803 --> 01:51:27,430
The fans are still there.
2125
01:51:27,472 --> 01:51:30,350
I'm sure Ronnie
would love to know that.
2126
01:51:30,392 --> 01:51:33,520
He would love to know that
his memory is still there.
2127
01:51:33,561 --> 01:51:35,480
He's not forgotten.
He'll never be forgotten.
2128
01:51:35,522 --> 01:51:38,483
I will never allow him to be
forgotten as long as I live.
2129
01:51:50,328 --> 01:51:55,208
I believe in reincarnation.
2130
01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:57,335
I think you have
to be the ultimate being
2131
01:51:57,377 --> 01:51:59,379
before you get to that point.
2132
01:51:59,421 --> 01:52:01,381
You have to keep coming back
till you get it right.
2133
01:52:01,423 --> 01:52:06,261
I think Ronnie got it right.
2134
01:52:06,302 --> 01:52:08,888
I really think he got it right.
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